1 00:00:13,763 --> 00:00:15,932 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 2 00:00:16,015 --> 00:00:17,976 -(MOUSE CLICKING) -(STATIC CRACKLING) 3 00:00:18,059 --> 00:00:19,018 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 4 00:00:19,102 --> 00:00:20,979 (NARRATOR READING PROMPT AS PAUL PROPERT) 5 00:00:22,313 --> 00:00:23,356 (MOUSE CLICKING) 6 00:00:28,445 --> 00:00:29,571 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 7 00:00:29,654 --> 00:00:31,197 NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) The anger fuels me. 8 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:33,742 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) It makes me alive. 9 00:00:35,285 --> 00:00:37,203 Reminds me of the war that I never left. 10 00:00:38,121 --> 00:00:41,249 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 11 00:00:41,332 --> 00:00:44,586 -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) -NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) There can only be victory or Valhalla. 12 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:46,921 I do not settle for less. 13 00:00:47,005 --> 00:00:48,131 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 14 00:00:48,214 --> 00:00:49,340 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 15 00:00:49,424 --> 00:00:51,301 (NARRATOR READING PROMPT) 16 00:00:51,384 --> 00:00:52,343 (MOUSE CLICKING) 17 00:00:52,427 --> 00:00:53,678 NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) I wake up every day, 18 00:00:53,762 --> 00:00:56,514 hoping for a chance to dismember my enemies. 19 00:00:56,598 --> 00:00:57,849 (MOUSE CLICKING) 20 00:00:57,932 --> 00:00:59,100 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 21 00:00:59,184 --> 00:01:00,977 NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) Now, I will be fucking frightening. 22 00:01:01,060 --> 00:01:03,938 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 23 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:12,155 -(SEAGULLS CAWING) -(WAVES CRASHING) 24 00:01:19,662 --> 00:01:22,332 LISA FREEMAN: Yeah, so the bounce house would be where then? 25 00:01:22,415 --> 00:01:25,001 Over here by the pool. 'Cause we want the slide to go in the pool. 26 00:01:25,084 --> 00:01:26,961 -Remember? Yeah. -LISA: Okay. 27 00:01:28,505 --> 00:01:31,341 NATHAN FREEMAN: This is, uh, Bambuddha Holistic Center. 28 00:01:31,424 --> 00:01:35,261 We're about 15 or 20 miles south of Acapulco. 29 00:01:35,345 --> 00:01:38,223 And we're here for AnarchAwakening 2019. 30 00:01:38,306 --> 00:01:40,683 -First annual. -The inaugural... 31 00:01:40,767 --> 00:01:42,018 -Yes. -...AnarchAwakening. 32 00:01:42,101 --> 00:01:45,688 ♪ (FLUTE PLAYS) ♪ 33 00:01:45,772 --> 00:01:47,315 NATHAN: Uh, it's a bit of a different vibe 34 00:01:47,398 --> 00:01:49,400 than the last time we put something together. 35 00:01:49,484 --> 00:01:50,735 It's much more chill. 36 00:01:52,821 --> 00:01:55,615 And the focus is going to be on healing 37 00:01:55,698 --> 00:01:57,200 in all different modalities. 38 00:01:57,283 --> 00:01:58,660 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 39 00:01:58,743 --> 00:02:02,997 And when I ask the energies, "What is the true purpose of me?" 40 00:02:03,081 --> 00:02:04,582 To be a guardian. 41 00:02:04,666 --> 00:02:07,919 To be a shepherd, not looking for sheep. 42 00:02:08,002 --> 00:02:09,879 TODD SCHRAMKE: For the first time in four years, 43 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:12,549 Nathan was no longer running Anarchapulco. 44 00:02:13,132 --> 00:02:14,175 (LISA CHUCKLES) 45 00:02:18,179 --> 00:02:21,224 -(BOTH CHUCKLE) -How much time do you have? 46 00:02:21,307 --> 00:02:23,059 (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 47 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:24,853 NATHAN: Last year, I was the chief cat herder 48 00:02:24,936 --> 00:02:27,188 for Anarchapulco 2018. 49 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:29,774 We decided at the end of that event that we wanted 50 00:02:29,858 --> 00:02:31,734 to go bigger the next year. 51 00:02:31,818 --> 00:02:34,028 So, my partner in that, Jeff Berwick, 52 00:02:34,112 --> 00:02:36,531 he hired a person that has since dubbed herself 53 00:02:36,614 --> 00:02:39,367 executive producer, named Jessica Kill. 54 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:42,495 And they sort of just kinda fired me after that. 55 00:02:42,579 --> 00:02:45,206 There was never really, uh, any kind of official decision. 56 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:46,791 It's just that one day I couldn't access 57 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:48,668 the Slack channel and then another day, 58 00:02:48,751 --> 00:02:50,086 I couldn't access my email. 59 00:02:50,169 --> 00:02:52,338 So the-- the message got through... (CHUCKLES) 60 00:02:52,422 --> 00:02:53,590 ...pretty loud and clear. 61 00:02:53,673 --> 00:02:55,133 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -I give thanks to those of you, 62 00:02:55,216 --> 00:02:56,551 the truth speakers, who speak your truth 63 00:02:56,634 --> 00:02:58,011 and then follow through with your word. 64 00:02:58,094 --> 00:02:59,554 That's what it's gonna take in this world. 65 00:02:59,637 --> 00:03:00,763 And, uh, we've been doing that... 66 00:03:00,847 --> 00:03:03,766 LISA: This conference is about fixing you. 67 00:03:05,143 --> 00:03:08,146 Anarchapulco is about trying to fix the world, 68 00:03:08,229 --> 00:03:11,357 and I think the problem is if we're out fixing the world 69 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:13,401 but we're still damaged, we're just bleeding 70 00:03:13,484 --> 00:03:15,069 -on everything we touch. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 71 00:03:15,153 --> 00:03:17,488 PRESENTER: And I'm thankful to welcome in new people to the family, 72 00:03:17,572 --> 00:03:19,991 to the close tribe that we have, and let's... 73 00:03:20,074 --> 00:03:21,367 NATHAN: The team that's there now 74 00:03:21,451 --> 00:03:24,746 does not understand that Anarchapulco was built on love. 75 00:03:24,829 --> 00:03:28,082 It was built for love of oneself, love for others, 76 00:03:28,166 --> 00:03:29,709 and love of truth and integrity. 77 00:03:29,792 --> 00:03:32,879 And now, it's a very, very different vibe. 78 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:36,799 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(WAVES CRASHING) 79 00:03:36,883 --> 00:03:38,051 (RADIO STATIC) 80 00:03:38,134 --> 00:03:41,220 JEFF BERWICK: Hey, guys. Welcome to 2019's Anarchapulco. 81 00:03:41,304 --> 00:03:42,472 ♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 82 00:03:42,555 --> 00:03:44,223 JEFF: This event has just barely gotten started, 83 00:03:44,307 --> 00:03:46,559 it's still not too late for you to come down here, 84 00:03:46,643 --> 00:03:48,227 it's gonna be going through the weekend. 85 00:03:48,311 --> 00:03:52,649 So I'm here for the, uh, Anarchapulco event. 86 00:03:52,732 --> 00:03:56,235 Uh, yesterday was a, uh, interesting day. 87 00:03:56,319 --> 00:04:02,200 Uh, the drama-- the Dramapulco is stronger than ever. 88 00:04:02,283 --> 00:04:05,244 Some of the people that may have canceled because of, you know, 89 00:04:05,328 --> 00:04:07,789 fears of this thing or that thing that might've occurred... 90 00:04:07,872 --> 00:04:11,793 REPORTER: John Galton, he and his friend were shot, Jason Henza... 91 00:04:11,876 --> 00:04:13,544 LARKEN ROSE: The murder definitely 92 00:04:13,628 --> 00:04:14,754 was a topic of discussion 93 00:04:14,837 --> 00:04:16,381 among the people at the conference. 94 00:04:16,464 --> 00:04:18,508 RADIO PRESENTER: Yeah, well we don't know exactly what the motivation 95 00:04:18,591 --> 00:04:21,260 of the killer was, right? Like, we have speculation... 96 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:23,179 AMANDA ROSE: Beyond that, the conference was affected 97 00:04:23,262 --> 00:04:25,181 by all kinds of drama. 98 00:04:25,264 --> 00:04:26,516 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 99 00:04:26,599 --> 00:04:28,851 JEFF: We have people dying, we're getting death threats. 100 00:04:30,937 --> 00:04:33,439 ♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 101 00:04:35,733 --> 00:04:40,071 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 102 00:04:40,154 --> 00:04:41,239 (MOUSE CLICKING) 103 00:04:43,241 --> 00:04:46,911 -♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(MICROPHONE STATIC) 104 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:50,415 -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) -NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) Tonight, we celebrate with a hunt. 105 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:54,335 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -(MOUSE CLICKING) 106 00:04:54,419 --> 00:04:56,879 JASON HENZA: Paul posted photos at the event 107 00:04:56,963 --> 00:04:58,715 with all these people. 108 00:04:58,798 --> 00:05:00,967 And they were losing their minds that he was roaming around 109 00:05:01,050 --> 00:05:02,677 -the conference somewhere. -(MOUSE CLICKING) 110 00:05:04,804 --> 00:05:08,725 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 111 00:05:08,808 --> 00:05:10,435 JUAN GALT: The conference beefed-up security. 112 00:05:10,518 --> 00:05:11,811 ♪ (TECHNO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 113 00:05:11,894 --> 00:05:14,689 JUAN: This guy was just out of control. 114 00:05:14,772 --> 00:05:15,690 ♪ (TECNO MUSIC FADES) ♪ 115 00:05:15,773 --> 00:05:17,775 -God, it was so chaotic. -(MOUSE CLICKING) 116 00:05:17,859 --> 00:05:22,113 -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) -(NARRATOR READS PROMPT) 117 00:05:22,196 --> 00:05:23,448 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 118 00:05:23,531 --> 00:05:24,949 JEFF: That Paul guy, he was threatening 119 00:05:25,033 --> 00:05:27,035 to kill me and my family. (CHUCKLES) 120 00:05:27,118 --> 00:05:31,289 There was definitely a lot of negativity and weirdness. 121 00:05:33,916 --> 00:05:35,585 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 122 00:05:35,668 --> 00:05:37,420 JASON: We were kinda told through the back channels 123 00:05:37,503 --> 00:05:40,423 to stay away from Anarchapulco 124 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:41,883 because there was too much heat on us. 125 00:05:41,966 --> 00:05:44,260 And they're afraid that we'll ruin the events, 126 00:05:44,343 --> 00:05:47,555 and people will come up and, uh, cause violence 127 00:05:47,638 --> 00:05:48,890 and scare everyone off. 128 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:52,643 LILY FORESTER: They're all like, "Where are you staying? 129 00:05:52,727 --> 00:05:54,771 Where are you staying? Where are you staying?" 130 00:05:54,854 --> 00:05:56,355 Nobody knew where I was. 131 00:05:57,106 --> 00:05:58,524 We weren't telling anybody. 132 00:05:59,817 --> 00:06:01,903 It was the only way we could sleep at night. 133 00:06:01,986 --> 00:06:05,239 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 134 00:06:05,323 --> 00:06:07,450 LILY: I was extremely paranoid. 135 00:06:08,326 --> 00:06:09,660 Three days ago, I had kids, 136 00:06:09,744 --> 00:06:11,245 like, five or six neighborhood kids, 137 00:06:11,329 --> 00:06:13,915 girls, just like knocking on my door 138 00:06:13,998 --> 00:06:15,416 trying to get me to come out with my dog. 139 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:18,628 But my anxiety and my PTSD was like, "Don't answer the door!" 140 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:20,755 I 100 percent agree with that. I don't-- 141 00:06:20,838 --> 00:06:22,799 I don't like answering the door and when I do, 142 00:06:22,882 --> 00:06:26,427 I have a gun in hand, and I'm ready. 143 00:06:26,511 --> 00:06:30,473 Yeah. Paul essentially passed his PTSD onto me 144 00:06:30,556 --> 00:06:32,725 like a fucking flu or something. 145 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:34,018 (MOUSE CLICKING) 146 00:06:37,522 --> 00:06:39,690 LILY: If I'm being perfectly honest, like, 147 00:06:39,774 --> 00:06:42,485 I'm afraid he is gearing up 148 00:06:42,568 --> 00:06:45,613 for something much uglier. (SIGHS) 149 00:06:49,951 --> 00:06:53,913 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 150 00:06:57,583 --> 00:06:59,085 Check, check, check. 151 00:06:59,168 --> 00:07:01,796 -♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 152 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:03,714 The man I will introduce to you now, 153 00:07:03,798 --> 00:07:06,384 he's made an awesome career for himself 154 00:07:06,467 --> 00:07:07,426 through his own choices 155 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:10,221 and he has influenced millions of people. 156 00:07:10,304 --> 00:07:12,682 I'm very pleased to introduce to you, 157 00:07:12,765 --> 00:07:17,145 the destabilizing Thaddeus Russell! 158 00:07:17,228 --> 00:07:20,314 (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 159 00:07:20,398 --> 00:07:22,316 My business partner is gonna be very pissed off with me 160 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,110 because I was supposed to be giving a big pitch 161 00:07:24,193 --> 00:07:25,820 for my podcast and for other projects. 162 00:07:26,946 --> 00:07:28,906 I'm not gonna talk about any of that shit. 163 00:07:28,990 --> 00:07:31,033 -(AUDIENCE LAUGHS) -(CLEARS THROAT) 164 00:07:31,117 --> 00:07:32,493 ♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 165 00:07:32,577 --> 00:07:37,039 I don't know everything that happened in this case. 166 00:07:37,123 --> 00:07:39,667 But I am now pretty goddamned convinced, still, 167 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:41,794 that Lily and John, and Jason, 168 00:07:42,587 --> 00:07:44,088 those people are my heroes. 169 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:51,220 To me the focus in that moment was only about helping Lily. 170 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:54,557 If you're really invested in freedom and liberty, 171 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,976 maybe think about these people the way that I do. 172 00:07:57,059 --> 00:07:58,186 I'm not asking you... 173 00:07:58,269 --> 00:08:03,357 She was in a uniquely terrible and vulnerable position 174 00:08:03,441 --> 00:08:06,068 and it looked to me like the anarchist community 175 00:08:06,152 --> 00:08:09,989 in Acapulco was abandoning her, or worse, 176 00:08:10,072 --> 00:08:12,700 blaming her and throwing her under the bus. 177 00:08:12,783 --> 00:08:17,580 Now, I would never ever tell my son to do anything 178 00:08:17,663 --> 00:08:18,915 that John and Lily did. 179 00:08:18,998 --> 00:08:22,084 In fact, I would beg him to do the opposite. 180 00:08:22,168 --> 00:08:26,339 Because I know the cost... of that kind of freedom. 181 00:08:27,715 --> 00:08:29,967 But because I know that that kind of freedom 182 00:08:30,051 --> 00:08:31,510 makes me more free... 183 00:08:33,262 --> 00:08:35,681 makes us all more free in the long run, 184 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:37,266 those people are my heroes. 185 00:08:39,018 --> 00:08:42,230 Lily is very scared for a lot of obvious reasons. 186 00:08:42,313 --> 00:08:44,023 She just needs a little bit of help. 187 00:08:44,106 --> 00:08:47,276 So far, she has put out calls, I have put out calls for her. 188 00:08:47,735 --> 00:08:48,778 Come on, people. 189 00:08:49,528 --> 00:08:50,738 Come on, people. 190 00:08:50,821 --> 00:08:52,114 I thought this was a crypto community. 191 00:08:52,198 --> 00:08:53,241 I thought we cared for each other. 192 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:55,743 I thought we honored our heroes. 193 00:08:55,826 --> 00:08:58,829 Just a little support for people like that on the fringes, 194 00:08:58,913 --> 00:09:02,583 who are risking their freedoms and their lives for us! 195 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:06,128 Those people are at the front edge of this movement. 196 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:12,760 I want to honor those people... 197 00:09:13,844 --> 00:09:15,846 and I just want your help. 198 00:09:15,930 --> 00:09:20,476 -Thank you very much. -(AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 199 00:09:24,188 --> 00:09:28,526 It's very easy to escape governments, banks, and states 200 00:09:28,609 --> 00:09:31,862 if you're already a Bitcoin millionaire. 201 00:09:31,946 --> 00:09:36,033 If you're like John and Lily, you got no resources, nothing. 202 00:09:37,618 --> 00:09:41,038 It's hard, it turns out, and dangerous, in fact, 203 00:09:41,122 --> 00:09:43,666 -to be an anarchist in Mexico. -♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 204 00:09:43,749 --> 00:09:45,167 ♪ (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 205 00:09:45,251 --> 00:09:47,128 RADIO PRESENTER: It's Free Talk Live. We're at Anarchapulco, 206 00:09:47,211 --> 00:09:49,297 kicking off day number four. 207 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:51,340 Uh, four wonderful days here 208 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:54,343 in the sun and beaches of a world-class resort. 209 00:09:54,427 --> 00:09:56,721 We're getting close to, uh, to wrapping this out 210 00:09:56,804 --> 00:09:58,723 for, uh, for the weekend. 211 00:09:58,806 --> 00:10:03,728 The energy of the conference was so, like, stale. 212 00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:09,608 So why did you guys even decide to go? 213 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:12,153 LISA: We went 'cause we had so many people 214 00:10:12,236 --> 00:10:15,406 reach out to us and say, with Nathan not there, 215 00:10:15,489 --> 00:10:17,658 the conference was dismantling. 216 00:10:17,742 --> 00:10:18,826 ♪ (MID TEMPO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 217 00:10:18,909 --> 00:10:20,119 LISA: Their volume the years before 218 00:10:20,202 --> 00:10:22,663 were on, like, full blast, you know. 219 00:10:22,747 --> 00:10:25,166 Everyone felt like they were positive, 220 00:10:25,249 --> 00:10:28,461 that there was like hope and excitement and passion. 221 00:10:28,544 --> 00:10:30,755 And this year, it was like, 222 00:10:30,838 --> 00:10:34,717 "Yeah, we're here, we should make the best of it." 223 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,178 This is just-- It feels weird. 224 00:10:37,261 --> 00:10:40,723 AMANDA: Jeff, basically, hired an outsider. 225 00:10:40,806 --> 00:10:44,226 Somebody who, all the way, wasn't connected to these ideas. 226 00:10:44,310 --> 00:10:45,978 It felt like somebody came in, 227 00:10:46,062 --> 00:10:48,439 who was not on the same page with us. 228 00:10:48,522 --> 00:10:51,192 Who was actively working against us. 229 00:10:51,275 --> 00:10:52,401 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 230 00:10:52,485 --> 00:10:54,820 Greetings everybody, it's your boy Elamental here. 231 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:56,155 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 232 00:10:56,238 --> 00:10:58,741 ELAMENTAL: I'm trying to vend our shirts for Anarchapulco. 233 00:10:58,824 --> 00:11:01,243 Immediately, when we start setting up our tables, 234 00:11:02,161 --> 00:11:03,204 Jessica comes over. 235 00:11:04,789 --> 00:11:07,500 She basically is telling us to leave and get out of there. 236 00:11:07,583 --> 00:11:08,918 (ELAMENTAL SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 237 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:19,428 CARMEN CARANGI: Even though we were told that we're allowed to set up here, 238 00:11:19,512 --> 00:11:21,347 Jessica doesn't like it for some reason. 239 00:11:21,430 --> 00:11:23,557 The last time I heard, this was an anarchist community, 240 00:11:23,641 --> 00:11:25,059 and that means if you're not hurtin' anybody, 241 00:11:25,142 --> 00:11:26,477 nobody's gonna tell you what to do. 242 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:29,605 -♪ (MID TEMPO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -TODD: What're you up to? 243 00:11:29,688 --> 00:11:32,233 Uh, we're selling our AnarchAwakening shirts. 244 00:11:32,316 --> 00:11:35,403 We had them printed up for the AnarchAwakening event. 245 00:11:35,486 --> 00:11:38,280 TODD: But are you allowed? 246 00:11:38,364 --> 00:11:41,742 I'm sorry, what word did you use? (CHUCKLES) 247 00:11:41,826 --> 00:11:44,870 I didn't ask for permission. (LAUGHS) 248 00:11:44,954 --> 00:11:47,415 So I have no idea whether I'm "allowed." 249 00:11:48,666 --> 00:11:50,084 KENNY PALURINTANO: I just did my own thing 250 00:11:50,167 --> 00:11:52,503 and I just ignored the hierarchical rules 251 00:11:52,586 --> 00:11:54,380 that were trying to be laid down upon me 252 00:11:54,463 --> 00:11:56,465 by these so-called authority figures. 253 00:11:56,549 --> 00:11:59,093 I do my-- It is my understanding that some other people have 254 00:11:59,176 --> 00:12:01,637 attempted to sell merchandise and have been, 255 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:08,144 uh, run off by some nefarious security group of some kind. 256 00:12:08,227 --> 00:12:09,979 Of course, of course you can just come here 257 00:12:10,062 --> 00:12:13,983 and-- and sell things to people who want to buy. 258 00:12:14,066 --> 00:12:15,484 Like, you come here and you hear speeches 259 00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:17,862 about the importance of free markets. 260 00:12:17,945 --> 00:12:20,072 And yet, there's a controlled market 261 00:12:20,156 --> 00:12:23,367 in the venue itself, which is silly. 262 00:12:23,451 --> 00:12:26,078 I found that to be quite shocking. 263 00:12:26,162 --> 00:12:28,664 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 264 00:12:28,747 --> 00:12:32,460 The Freemans really, like... (SCOFFS) 265 00:12:32,543 --> 00:12:37,047 ...like, they really tried to undermine Jessica so much. 266 00:12:37,131 --> 00:12:39,341 It's like, "I can't even sell T-shirts over there!" 267 00:12:39,425 --> 00:12:41,844 It's like, "Well, that's because she actually sold a sponsor 268 00:12:41,927 --> 00:12:44,013 to be over there and they paid for their tables, 269 00:12:44,096 --> 00:12:46,223 she can't give you a table for free." 270 00:12:46,307 --> 00:12:49,477 -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -She very clearly came in with her own mindset and agenda 271 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,562 of how things should be done. She didn't just come in and go, 272 00:12:51,645 --> 00:12:54,023 "Okay, Jeff, what do you want? And, speakers, what do you need? 273 00:12:54,106 --> 00:12:57,067 I'm gonna facilitate this," the way Nathan did. 274 00:12:57,151 --> 00:12:59,653 She comes from Hollywood and she comes from DC. 275 00:12:59,737 --> 00:13:02,656 She's spent her time putting on events for the people 276 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:05,534 who are literally working on creating a world-- 277 00:13:05,618 --> 00:13:09,246 the exact opposite of the world that we're trying to create. 278 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:12,124 NATHAN: Well, I-- I had a conversation with Jeff Berwick before, 279 00:13:12,208 --> 00:13:15,586 and I said, "I think this narcissistic control freak..." 280 00:13:15,669 --> 00:13:18,672 (CHUCKLES) "All the things we say about the state, 281 00:13:18,756 --> 00:13:21,425 this person is going to mess up the conference," 282 00:13:21,509 --> 00:13:24,220 and the response was, "Well, I think she's got it handled." 283 00:13:24,303 --> 00:13:25,346 (MOUSE CLICKING) 284 00:13:25,429 --> 00:13:27,723 JEFF: People did not give Jessica a chance 285 00:13:27,806 --> 00:13:29,308 from, like, day one. 286 00:13:29,391 --> 00:13:32,144 So many people were just all giving us flack 287 00:13:32,228 --> 00:13:33,812 and, you know, trolling us. 288 00:13:34,855 --> 00:13:37,149 Everyone was like, "This is terrible. 289 00:13:37,233 --> 00:13:39,860 She's a Nazi." Everyone was calling her a Nazi. 290 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:42,446 And she had done nothing wrong. 291 00:13:42,530 --> 00:13:45,199 -♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 292 00:13:46,242 --> 00:13:48,869 To wrap it all up, uh, for tonight, 293 00:13:48,953 --> 00:13:50,913 I'm very pleased to introduce 294 00:13:50,996 --> 00:13:54,542 -Jeff Berwick and Dayna Martin. -(AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 295 00:14:04,009 --> 00:14:06,845 Personally, if you saw me this year, 296 00:14:06,929 --> 00:14:08,847 I've been pretty relaxed, 297 00:14:08,931 --> 00:14:11,183 and I have not been this way ever before. 298 00:14:11,267 --> 00:14:15,312 And it's because all these people have been running it... 299 00:14:16,522 --> 00:14:19,775 so amazing, and it all stemmed 300 00:14:19,858 --> 00:14:21,735 -from Jessica Kill. -(AUDIENCE CHEERING) 301 00:14:21,819 --> 00:14:24,029 JEFF: I don't know, she probably doesn't wanna come up here. 302 00:14:24,113 --> 00:14:28,242 She doesn't wanna come up. (CHUCKLES) 303 00:14:28,325 --> 00:14:29,660 DAYNA MARTIN: I think closer to the event, 304 00:14:29,743 --> 00:14:31,537 a lot of fear came into people's minds 305 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:33,956 because some incidents happened that were really tragic. 306 00:14:35,666 --> 00:14:36,750 And I was wondering to myself, 307 00:14:36,834 --> 00:14:38,294 "Well, how was this going to affect the movement? 308 00:14:38,377 --> 00:14:39,920 And are people going to be too afraid to come?" 309 00:14:40,004 --> 00:14:43,799 And the opposite happened. We proved to the world 310 00:14:43,882 --> 00:14:45,843 that love and freedom prevails over fear... 311 00:14:45,926 --> 00:14:47,136 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) -JEFF: Yes. 312 00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:48,804 DAYNA: ...and it always will in this movement. 313 00:14:48,887 --> 00:14:50,764 (AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) 314 00:14:53,684 --> 00:14:55,644 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Freedom! 315 00:14:55,728 --> 00:14:58,606 -Thank you so much. -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 316 00:14:59,398 --> 00:15:00,566 JEFF: Thank you. 317 00:15:00,649 --> 00:15:02,568 DAYNA : So, we'll see you guys in 2020! 318 00:15:02,651 --> 00:15:03,777 JEFF: All right, thank you. 319 00:15:03,861 --> 00:15:06,280 -(AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING) -JEFF: Thank you. 320 00:15:09,241 --> 00:15:10,409 Bullshit detector. 321 00:15:10,492 --> 00:15:14,455 (IMITATES DETECTOR BEEPING) 322 00:15:14,538 --> 00:15:17,458 (CHUCKLES) Sorry. 323 00:15:17,541 --> 00:15:19,585 -♪ (UPBEAT TECHNO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -In true anarchy fashion, 324 00:15:19,668 --> 00:15:23,380 may I have everyone come to the front of the room! 325 00:15:23,464 --> 00:15:26,258 -Come to the front of the room, please. -♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC FADES) ♪ 326 00:15:27,092 --> 00:15:28,218 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 327 00:15:28,302 --> 00:15:31,013 LISA: There was a board, a big whiteboard and markers 328 00:15:31,096 --> 00:15:35,225 that had, "Anarchapulco 2019," 329 00:15:35,309 --> 00:15:38,145 you know, "Leave a note for next year." 330 00:15:41,649 --> 00:15:43,817 There were a lot of people that were like, 331 00:15:43,901 --> 00:15:46,403 "Bring Nathan back. Kill Kill." 332 00:15:48,572 --> 00:15:50,324 A lot of people were disappointed 333 00:15:50,407 --> 00:15:51,700 in their experience. 334 00:15:54,411 --> 00:15:58,290 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 335 00:15:58,374 --> 00:16:01,001 TODD: (CHUCKLES) And do you want to elaborate on that? 336 00:16:01,085 --> 00:16:04,546 No, I just think, um, you know, if I get asked 337 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,507 I might consider it. But I haven't been asked 338 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:08,425 and I'm not sure I'd say yes. 339 00:16:08,509 --> 00:16:11,929 (CAR ENGINES HUMMING) 340 00:16:12,012 --> 00:16:14,431 NATHAN: I did this thing with a lot more integrity... 341 00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:16,517 -LISA: Oh, yeah. Yeah. -NATHAN: ...than what we just saw. 342 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,353 I can't believe Jeff actually said, 343 00:16:19,436 --> 00:16:20,479 "I'm more relaxed this year 344 00:16:20,562 --> 00:16:22,231 than I ever have been in Anarchacapulco." 345 00:16:22,314 --> 00:16:24,274 In 2017, he was drunk the whole time! 346 00:16:24,358 --> 00:16:28,362 (LAUGHS) He literally never left the bar 347 00:16:28,445 --> 00:16:30,572 except for when he was supposed to give his speech, 348 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:32,533 and he was hammered when he gave his speech. 349 00:16:32,616 --> 00:16:33,992 People were asking for money back 350 00:16:34,076 --> 00:16:35,744 because he was so drunk when he talked. 351 00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:38,789 Like, this is the year that he's the most relaxed? 352 00:16:38,872 --> 00:16:42,209 I don't know, I feel like, "Am I a bad person?" 353 00:16:42,292 --> 00:16:45,671 Did we give too much to the conference that now 354 00:16:45,754 --> 00:16:49,216 the universe is giving us bad karma? Like, I don't know. 355 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:52,636 It feels like it. 356 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,722 (ENGINE RUMBLING) 357 00:16:59,017 --> 00:17:02,271 Just a quick stop on the way home. 358 00:17:02,354 --> 00:17:04,064 -Trying not to lose my cool... -(TODD CHUCKLES) 359 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:05,733 ...any more than I already have. 360 00:17:07,568 --> 00:17:08,569 (SIGHS) 361 00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:17,035 That we're safe and we're relaxed through it. 362 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,164 Oh, man. That was hard, that hurt a lot. 363 00:17:20,247 --> 00:17:22,583 ♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 364 00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:31,216 -♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC FADES) ♪ -(MOUSE CLICKING) 365 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:33,135 -(STATIC CRACKLING) -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) 366 00:17:33,218 --> 00:17:36,305 (NARRATOR READING PROMPT) 367 00:17:37,806 --> 00:17:40,642 TODD: Paul was never actually seen at the conference. 368 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:43,312 And simply laughed it all off with a Facebook post. 369 00:17:43,395 --> 00:17:44,938 -♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) 370 00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:47,566 -(NARRATOR READING PROMPT) -(MOUSE CLICKING) 371 00:17:48,942 --> 00:17:51,695 LISA: Over the course of the two years, 372 00:17:51,779 --> 00:17:54,948 Paul and I would talk on Messenger. 373 00:17:55,032 --> 00:17:58,786 I'm a mom and he clearly needed some guidance. 374 00:17:58,869 --> 00:18:00,537 -(MOUSE CLICKING) -(STATIC CRACKLING) 375 00:18:00,621 --> 00:18:03,123 LISA: And I kept trying to explain to him, 376 00:18:03,207 --> 00:18:04,708 -you are... -(EXHALES) 377 00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:07,211 LISA: ...making people afraid of you, 378 00:18:07,294 --> 00:18:08,629 and this community is supposed to be 379 00:18:08,712 --> 00:18:11,173 about bringing people together and we're trying to heal, 380 00:18:11,256 --> 00:18:13,467 we're trying to co-exist, and you're threatening 381 00:18:13,550 --> 00:18:14,968 -people's lives. -(MOUSE CLICKING) 382 00:18:15,052 --> 00:18:16,178 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 383 00:18:16,261 --> 00:18:17,846 LISA: This is where the drugs and the alcohol 384 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:19,640 and the "fight or flight" responses 385 00:18:19,723 --> 00:18:23,435 were starting to get really absurd and crazy with him. 386 00:18:24,645 --> 00:18:26,939 He was very dangerous, in my opinion. 387 00:18:28,232 --> 00:18:31,193 (COUGHS) 388 00:18:31,276 --> 00:18:35,197 So, I finally talked Paul into going back to the US. 389 00:18:37,407 --> 00:18:40,452 I said you need to leave, you need to go back. 390 00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:43,956 The community is unable to move past this with you here. 391 00:18:45,415 --> 00:18:48,669 I bought him a ticket. I helped get his stuff. 392 00:18:48,752 --> 00:18:50,879 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 393 00:18:50,963 --> 00:18:53,924 I got him out of Acapulco. 394 00:18:55,509 --> 00:18:57,886 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 395 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:03,892 TODD: Paul's exit from Acapulco was a relief to the community. 396 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:06,645 But the grief and confusion from John's murder, 397 00:19:06,728 --> 00:19:09,022 -still lingered. -♪ (MID TEMPO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 398 00:19:09,106 --> 00:19:10,566 TODD: If he had been such an inspiration 399 00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:13,026 to so many of those who came here, 400 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:16,280 what did it mean for the Acapulco anarchists 401 00:19:16,363 --> 00:19:17,990 now that John was gone? 402 00:19:18,073 --> 00:19:19,366 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 403 00:19:19,449 --> 00:19:21,535 JASON: He expected you to say what you mean 404 00:19:21,618 --> 00:19:23,620 and stick to it no matter what. 405 00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:25,622 And a lot of these people, they don't always stick 406 00:19:25,706 --> 00:19:27,833 to what they say, so they sound like liars. 407 00:19:27,916 --> 00:19:29,835 They're feeling their way through it 408 00:19:29,918 --> 00:19:31,211 and they haven't thought it through. 409 00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:32,671 John had thought everything through 410 00:19:32,754 --> 00:19:35,465 and picked his life and just went in that direction. 411 00:19:35,549 --> 00:19:37,759 There's so much that is more free 412 00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:41,138 about where we live here, than wherever we came from. 413 00:19:41,221 --> 00:19:42,931 Like we could never do what we've done... 414 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:47,436 TODD: To better understand who John Galton was, 415 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:50,731 I traveled to where he grew up as Shane Cress. 416 00:19:51,481 --> 00:19:53,025 JUDY HLAVAC: I think we're good. 417 00:19:53,108 --> 00:19:54,902 I know you keep saying not to stress, 418 00:19:54,985 --> 00:19:56,570 but I'm stressed. 419 00:19:56,653 --> 00:19:58,989 -SUSAN KASSON-KURLICH: We know you're stressed. -♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 420 00:19:59,990 --> 00:20:01,742 Go down, we'll come down in the next one. 421 00:20:01,825 --> 00:20:03,827 I'm not gonna try and squeeze us all in there. 422 00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:05,245 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 423 00:20:05,329 --> 00:20:07,539 SUSAN: Do you wanna sit? Do you wanna put that on the table? 424 00:20:07,623 --> 00:20:08,957 Actually, I just need to set Shane down. 425 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:10,751 He's heavy, that damn kid! 426 00:20:10,834 --> 00:20:12,419 Let her put the... 427 00:20:12,502 --> 00:20:14,212 Oh! There, here you go. 428 00:20:14,296 --> 00:20:16,006 -He's not exactly light. -SUSAN: No. 429 00:20:16,089 --> 00:20:19,718 I knew Shane would not have wanted an actual memorial. 430 00:20:19,801 --> 00:20:21,803 That he would want something natural, 431 00:20:21,887 --> 00:20:25,140 just kind of a... a celebration of life. 432 00:20:25,223 --> 00:20:27,351 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 433 00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:28,852 -(SIGHS) -SUSAN: There's room. 434 00:20:28,936 --> 00:20:30,938 JUDY: I know I needed to come here and do this 435 00:20:31,021 --> 00:20:33,398 for myself and for him, but it's been hard. 436 00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:34,483 -Thank you. -Thanks. 437 00:20:34,566 --> 00:20:35,734 PASSENGER 1: I'll get out of the way. 438 00:20:35,817 --> 00:20:38,236 PASSENGER 2: No, you're not in the way. (LAUGHS) 439 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,447 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 440 00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:43,283 JUDY: When I was 16, I got pregnant. 441 00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:47,371 I look back now, and so much I didn't know. (CHUCKLES) 442 00:20:47,454 --> 00:20:49,539 So much I didn't know. Um, 443 00:20:49,623 --> 00:20:51,625 I kinda wish I had done things differently, 444 00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:54,836 but I wouldn't trade having Shane for anything, you know. 445 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,673 I mean he was the light of my life, you know? 446 00:20:57,756 --> 00:20:59,216 I'm sorry. 447 00:21:04,012 --> 00:21:06,056 (SNIFFLES) 448 00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:14,064 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 449 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:18,485 When there's a little more people here... 450 00:21:18,568 --> 00:21:21,989 -KIM KYLLAND: Yeah. -I want to do a little live... thing and wire to Lily. 451 00:21:22,072 --> 00:21:23,156 KIM: Yes... 452 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,076 SUSAN: As a child growing up, Shane struggled 453 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:28,495 with his emotions all the way around. 454 00:21:28,578 --> 00:21:33,250 He could become very volatile and destructive. 455 00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:35,711 And then, at times, he could just be 456 00:21:35,794 --> 00:21:39,756 just as sweet as he could possibly be. 457 00:21:41,383 --> 00:21:44,553 He had anger issues, and his father had anger issues. 458 00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:50,934 JUDY: Steve was Shane's dad. When I met him, I was, uh, 15. 459 00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:54,062 Yeah, and he would've been 24. 460 00:21:55,439 --> 00:21:57,399 I just wanted a normal life. 461 00:21:57,482 --> 00:21:59,526 You know, I wasn't looking for anything fancy. 462 00:21:59,609 --> 00:22:02,738 I didn't care where we lived or what we had, 463 00:22:02,821 --> 00:22:05,240 I just... I wanted a normal family. 464 00:22:07,826 --> 00:22:10,871 Unfortunately, Steve had his own issues. (CHUCKLING) 465 00:22:10,954 --> 00:22:13,874 You know, I didn't really know what bipolar was. 466 00:22:13,957 --> 00:22:16,752 You know, I didn't understand mental illness. 467 00:22:19,129 --> 00:22:22,007 And he ended up choosing suicide instead. 468 00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:26,845 -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 469 00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:31,349 Put your arm up there. There you go. 470 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:34,269 -♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -JUDY: Pick up your feet. Move your legs. 471 00:22:34,352 --> 00:22:39,316 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -(CHEERS, CHUCKLES) 472 00:22:39,399 --> 00:22:42,652 -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -JUDY: When Shane was about two and a half, 473 00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:46,156 he started showing some of the same issues that his dad had. 474 00:22:46,907 --> 00:22:48,992 He would have these meltdowns, 475 00:22:49,076 --> 00:22:51,578 not just normal two-year-old, you know, meltdowns. 476 00:22:51,661 --> 00:22:53,330 These were-- 477 00:22:53,413 --> 00:22:56,625 (SIGHS) They would last for hours. For hours. 478 00:22:57,918 --> 00:23:00,295 By the time he was about five years old, 479 00:23:00,378 --> 00:23:02,756 it got to the point where we actually had to put 480 00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:05,300 an alarm on his bedroom door 481 00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:06,802 because he would come out of his bedroom 482 00:23:06,885 --> 00:23:08,553 in the middle of the night and just go 483 00:23:08,637 --> 00:23:10,847 into one of his rages and destroy things. 484 00:23:12,974 --> 00:23:14,476 And there was just nothing I could do. 485 00:23:17,312 --> 00:23:21,108 We finally found a guy that worked with kids, 486 00:23:21,191 --> 00:23:24,528 and diagnosed Shane as bipolar. 487 00:23:26,321 --> 00:23:28,990 -(CHILD CRYING) -JUDY: And so he had to teach me how to hold him 488 00:23:29,074 --> 00:23:30,700 where I wouldn't hurt him, 489 00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:33,328 but where I could secure him until he calmed down. 490 00:23:35,038 --> 00:23:36,915 It helped a lot, but sometimes I think 491 00:23:36,998 --> 00:23:39,292 it actually just made him angrier when he was being 492 00:23:39,376 --> 00:23:40,544 restrained like that. 493 00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:45,632 But I don't think my son was bipolar. 494 00:23:45,715 --> 00:23:48,093 I think he had Asperger's or some-- 495 00:23:48,176 --> 00:23:50,011 Maybe he even was on the spectrum. 496 00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:54,141 And I wish I'd known that when Shane was little 497 00:23:54,224 --> 00:23:55,600 because I think things would've been 498 00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:58,145 -very different in his life. -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 499 00:23:59,688 --> 00:24:00,730 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 500 00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:02,190 -JUDY: Oh, my God. It's so good to see you. -Sorry. 501 00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:04,151 -GUEST 2: You're grounded. -GUEST 1: You're grounded. 502 00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:06,111 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 503 00:24:06,194 --> 00:24:09,322 JUDY: (OVER VIDEO) This our live Facebook so Lily can see everybody. 504 00:24:09,406 --> 00:24:10,323 Say hi to Lily. 505 00:24:10,407 --> 00:24:11,992 -Hello, Lily. -JUDY: Say hi to Lily. 506 00:24:12,075 --> 00:24:13,577 ALL: Hi, Lily. 507 00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:16,538 TODD: Lily was still in Mexico, and couldn't risk traveling 508 00:24:16,621 --> 00:24:18,707 to the US because of her legal status. 509 00:24:20,041 --> 00:24:21,209 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 510 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:23,587 TODD: But Jason Henza was able to make the trip. 511 00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:25,672 -♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 512 00:24:25,755 --> 00:24:28,508 JASON: Lily was at the point where she can stand on her own. 513 00:24:28,592 --> 00:24:29,801 And I was just thinking to myself, 514 00:24:29,885 --> 00:24:32,012 it was just time to get out of town for a little bit. 515 00:24:32,095 --> 00:24:34,055 And that's what I did. 516 00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:37,100 -TODD: How've you been doing? -I've been doing good. 517 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:39,436 Uh, the doctors say I won't need surgery. 518 00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:41,897 I should make a full recovery in about six months. 519 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:43,982 I've got most of the use of my arm. 520 00:24:44,065 --> 00:24:45,150 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 521 00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:48,278 I try not to let the incident affect me at all, 522 00:24:48,361 --> 00:24:50,739 as much as I can, because I think 523 00:24:50,822 --> 00:24:53,408 that's what it was meant to do more than anything was hurt, 524 00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:56,912 um, in my opinion, but... 525 00:25:00,123 --> 00:25:01,458 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 526 00:25:01,541 --> 00:25:03,835 TODD: Paul had moved back to Pennsylvania, 527 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,670 but he continued to threaten Henza. 528 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:12,719 (MOUSE CLICKING) 529 00:25:12,802 --> 00:25:15,180 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 530 00:25:15,263 --> 00:25:17,557 I just let him go live his happy life. 531 00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:19,976 I'll leave him alone. If he chooses to leave me alone, 532 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:23,897 he does. If he doesn't, I'm sure he'll meet 533 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:25,190 his consequences eventually. 534 00:25:25,273 --> 00:25:26,566 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 535 00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:29,402 I scouted out the parking lot hours beforehand, 536 00:25:29,486 --> 00:25:31,196 looking for Pennsylvania plates. 537 00:25:32,530 --> 00:25:34,616 I felt like he could've showed up and done something. 538 00:25:34,699 --> 00:25:36,618 So I always kept a soft eye on Paul. 539 00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:39,913 Whenever I popped out in public, I would just check, uh, 540 00:25:39,996 --> 00:25:42,707 his Facebook page and see what the chatter is. 541 00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:45,669 -And then if I felt safe, I'd go out. -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) 542 00:25:47,587 --> 00:25:51,049 TODD: Do you think that Paul is capable of murder? 543 00:25:52,676 --> 00:25:54,511 -Yes. -♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 544 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:58,223 JASON: What really gravitated me about Shane 545 00:25:58,306 --> 00:26:00,225 was that he was completely stateless. 546 00:26:00,308 --> 00:26:02,936 He couldn't even fall back on his state if he wanted to. 547 00:26:03,019 --> 00:26:05,897 And he had to figure out on his own without the state, 548 00:26:05,981 --> 00:26:08,900 and do everything the innovative way, 549 00:26:08,984 --> 00:26:11,069 uh, to-- to the anarchist way, 550 00:26:11,152 --> 00:26:13,655 the way that people like me constantly preach, 551 00:26:13,738 --> 00:26:16,616 but never really, really follow through and live by. 552 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,618 I went through all of grade school with him. 553 00:26:18,702 --> 00:26:19,911 I went to college with him, 554 00:26:19,995 --> 00:26:21,955 and I even went after college with him. 555 00:26:22,038 --> 00:26:26,001 No matter what it was that Shane had in mind, 556 00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:27,585 he figured out a way to do it. 557 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:28,962 That's Shane, though, for you. 558 00:26:29,045 --> 00:26:31,506 Like, nothing's gonna beat that kid. 559 00:26:31,589 --> 00:26:35,093 -♪ (MID TEMPO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -When I was a kid, I had got in a BB gun accident 560 00:26:35,176 --> 00:26:37,762 and my-- a BB had gone through my eye. 561 00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:40,181 If you feel right here, you can actually feel the BB. 562 00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:41,266 (CREW MUTTERING) 563 00:26:41,349 --> 00:26:42,934 So if anyone's curious, I'll let-- 564 00:26:43,018 --> 00:26:45,645 -You can touch the BB, it's cool. -CREW MEMBER: Thanks. 565 00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:49,858 John was very curious on the medications 566 00:26:49,941 --> 00:26:52,527 that I was given by the hospital. 567 00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:56,781 He actually researched different strains of marijuana 568 00:26:56,865 --> 00:26:59,367 that would help with my eye pressure. 569 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:02,162 He created a whole strain for my eye. 570 00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:04,331 I've actually gotten vision back. 571 00:27:04,414 --> 00:27:05,999 But none of the medical eye drops, 572 00:27:06,082 --> 00:27:08,168 they were just sustaining my eye pressure 573 00:27:08,251 --> 00:27:10,712 and limiting what pain it could. 574 00:27:10,795 --> 00:27:14,299 But what John came up with was such a blessing. 575 00:27:14,382 --> 00:27:16,259 Now, not only do I have the medicine 576 00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:18,803 that was helping me in my daily life, 577 00:27:18,887 --> 00:27:22,265 but John himself got to build something. 578 00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:25,935 JUDY: He started getting into the marijuana 579 00:27:26,019 --> 00:27:28,813 and he became very passionate about that. 580 00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:31,858 In the beginning, Shane wanted to become a lawyer. 581 00:27:31,941 --> 00:27:34,569 He was gonna help change the marijuana laws 582 00:27:34,652 --> 00:27:38,198 so that people weren't going to jail over a plant. 583 00:27:38,281 --> 00:27:40,700 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 584 00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:42,660 JUDY: He moved to Oklahoma when he was 17. 585 00:27:44,037 --> 00:27:45,330 He followed a girl there. (CHUCKLES) 586 00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:46,790 Thought he was in love. 587 00:27:46,873 --> 00:27:48,041 It didn't work out with the girl, 588 00:27:48,124 --> 00:27:52,504 but he got two jobs and he got his own apartment. 589 00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:57,258 Unfortunately, he liked to grow his own weed. 590 00:27:57,342 --> 00:28:00,887 He had a small coat closet in the apartment 591 00:28:00,970 --> 00:28:03,973 that he would use to grow his weed in. 592 00:28:04,057 --> 00:28:06,684 The landlord found the pot in his closet. (CHUCKLES) 593 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,686 And he got arrested. 594 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:11,398 And Oklahoma is not where you want to be 595 00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:12,732 if you've got weed. (CHUCKLES) 596 00:28:15,318 --> 00:28:18,196 He was facing up to life in prison. 597 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,074 The judge said, "Promise me you're gonna leave the state 598 00:28:21,157 --> 00:28:23,952 and never come back. Do this boot camp." 599 00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:25,328 DRILL SERGEANT: Get out your bed! 600 00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:27,914 Jumping jacks, let's go! Jumping jacks, go! 601 00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:29,666 JUDY: There was like a lot of classes 602 00:28:29,749 --> 00:28:31,668 and a lot of exercising... 603 00:28:31,751 --> 00:28:34,003 Get down! Let's see those climbers! 604 00:28:34,087 --> 00:28:35,964 ...and then they shaved his head. 605 00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:39,175 ♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 606 00:28:40,802 --> 00:28:44,055 JUDY: He didn't think they had the right to do that. 607 00:28:46,307 --> 00:28:48,268 It changed him. 608 00:28:48,351 --> 00:28:52,313 And he started becoming very anti-government. 609 00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:54,482 It was after that, that he decided he was gonna do 610 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:58,445 the dreadlocks and that was gonna be who he was. 611 00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:01,573 SUSAN: The dreads, they were a way to express himself, 612 00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:06,369 saying, "I do not want to be a part of this 'society,' 613 00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:08,538 I want to do my own thing. 614 00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:10,999 I want to make sure you see me." 615 00:29:14,252 --> 00:29:17,130 ♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC FADES) ♪ 616 00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:19,674 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 617 00:29:21,134 --> 00:29:24,345 Shane Cress. That's his real name, Cress? 618 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:25,889 -Mm-hmm. -Okay. 619 00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:27,474 -(CHUCKLING) -JUDY: I was there... 620 00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:30,226 RANDY WEBB: I went there for one reason and one reason only, 621 00:29:31,186 --> 00:29:32,562 in support of Miranda. 622 00:29:32,645 --> 00:29:34,772 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 623 00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:36,483 Because she was in love with him. 624 00:29:37,817 --> 00:29:39,819 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -Remember me? Ricky? 625 00:29:39,903 --> 00:29:40,987 When you were still at the-- 626 00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:42,864 you had your shop and you were doing all the cars 627 00:29:42,947 --> 00:29:44,115 -and paintings and stuff? -Yeah. 628 00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:46,326 I was there with Shane and Miranda and stuff. 629 00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:49,204 I hadn't seen you in-- Last time was, like, eight years. 630 00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:51,539 -You know, I met you-- Yeah. -Has it been that long? 631 00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:52,832 (BOTH CHUCKLE) 632 00:29:52,916 --> 00:29:54,751 -KIM: This is Jason. -JASON: Hi. 633 00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:57,754 -Hi. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. 634 00:29:57,837 --> 00:30:01,549 TODD: Jason is friends with Miranda in Acapulco. 635 00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:03,593 -Okay, I'm Miranda's father. -TODD: Yeah. 636 00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:07,180 Wow. She's quite a person. 637 00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:09,390 You have nothing to worry about. 638 00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:11,976 She's gonna be okay. I'm telling you. 639 00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:15,063 I have lost touch with her in the last four or five years. 640 00:30:15,146 --> 00:30:16,689 JASON: She's always wanted to talk to you. 641 00:30:16,773 --> 00:30:17,774 But she's more worried 642 00:30:17,857 --> 00:30:20,401 about spending 25 years in prison. 643 00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,237 -RANDY: I understand that. -Yeah. 644 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,740 And she was, uh, quite concerned and Shane was very concerned 645 00:30:25,823 --> 00:30:27,784 to the point where he wasn't reaching out to family either. 646 00:30:27,867 --> 00:30:30,453 -RANDY: Okay. -And they had completely closed themselves off. 647 00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:33,206 I didn't know until after the shooting and everything 648 00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:36,000 about family, their real names and all that stuff. 649 00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:38,419 -KIM: Hey, guys. -Yeah. 650 00:30:38,503 --> 00:30:40,296 KIM: This is Shane's mom right here. 651 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:41,548 JUDY: 652 00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:43,508 -I wanted her to see a little bit more. -KIM: Yeah. 653 00:30:43,591 --> 00:30:44,884 JUDY: We're gonna go for a little walk 654 00:30:44,968 --> 00:30:47,095 -in a little bit to the ledge. -KIM: Judy, this is Randy. 655 00:30:47,178 --> 00:30:49,097 -Hi. Good to see you. -RANDY: Hi. You, too. 656 00:30:49,639 --> 00:30:51,349 Oh, yeah... 657 00:30:51,432 --> 00:30:53,017 I'm trying to share as much of it with her 658 00:30:53,101 --> 00:30:54,310 as I can while we're... 659 00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:56,271 -Yeah, of course. -...going and doing things. 660 00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:57,605 So she's watching us now? 661 00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:59,148 -RICKY: Yeah. -JUDY: Yeah. She's on there right now. 662 00:30:59,232 --> 00:31:00,900 -(RANDY CHUCKLES) -JUDY: She popped on a minute ago. 663 00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:02,694 So she's watching from Mexico. 664 00:31:02,777 --> 00:31:05,488 JUDY: I really wanted them to rebuild their relationship. 665 00:31:05,572 --> 00:31:06,823 (TALKING INDISTINCTLY IN VIDEO) 666 00:31:06,906 --> 00:31:08,741 I didn't have the chance to do that with Shane, 667 00:31:08,825 --> 00:31:11,995 but he had the chance with her and I wanted to see that. 668 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:14,122 KIM: 669 00:31:14,205 --> 00:31:16,124 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 670 00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:17,750 JUDY: Okay, so... 671 00:31:17,834 --> 00:31:22,755 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 672 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,091 -(RICKY CHEERS) -JUDY: There he goes. 673 00:31:25,174 --> 00:31:26,384 Farewell, Shane. Rest in peace. 674 00:31:28,928 --> 00:31:29,929 (SOBS) 675 00:31:33,433 --> 00:31:35,977 SUSAN: Shane's dad was buried on his first birthday. 676 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:40,315 JUDY: And here's Shane playing RollerCoaster Tycoon. 677 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:43,943 His Christmas present from Angela. 678 00:31:45,153 --> 00:31:46,779 SUSAN: The vibe that there was always 679 00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:49,115 something missing in his life 680 00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:50,992 came from that. 681 00:31:51,075 --> 00:31:52,327 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 682 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:53,661 (SNIFFLES) He's home. 683 00:31:56,998 --> 00:31:58,291 SUSAN: Shane, from a young age, 684 00:31:58,374 --> 00:32:00,293 had planned on leaving the country. 685 00:32:00,376 --> 00:32:02,295 He felt that he could have a better life 686 00:32:02,378 --> 00:32:05,006 in a place that was less, in his mind, 687 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:06,007 less structured. 688 00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:08,843 -(JUDY SNIFFLING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 689 00:32:08,926 --> 00:32:10,428 -(JUDY SIGHS) 690 00:32:12,347 --> 00:32:13,556 (SIGHS) 691 00:32:15,391 --> 00:32:19,646 JUDY: He was a good person who sometimes made bad decisions, 692 00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:23,066 but nothing he ever did hurt anybody else. 693 00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,277 He just wanted to live his own life. 694 00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:32,492 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 695 00:32:32,575 --> 00:32:35,453 -♪ (LIVELY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(ENGINE REVVING) 696 00:32:37,246 --> 00:32:40,500 (INDISTINCT CHATTER IN SPANISH) 697 00:32:40,583 --> 00:32:43,711 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 698 00:32:43,795 --> 00:32:45,505 TODD: (IN ENGLISH) Do you remember where you were 699 00:32:45,588 --> 00:32:47,090 mentally at that time? 700 00:32:47,173 --> 00:32:49,592 LILY: I just had no idea what to do. 701 00:32:50,968 --> 00:32:55,139 -(CAR ENGINE REVVING) -(SIRENS BLARING) 702 00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:59,560 LILY: I was just starting to realize... It was, like, 703 00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,396 you can see that house... 704 00:33:01,479 --> 00:33:03,856 (WHISPERS) ...from all over the city. 705 00:33:06,484 --> 00:33:08,361 It in itself is a ghost. 706 00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:13,783 And, like, everywhere I look, 707 00:33:13,866 --> 00:33:15,827 it's like, memory, memory, memory. 708 00:33:18,913 --> 00:33:21,499 My life is a constant series of flashbacks. 709 00:33:21,582 --> 00:33:23,042 (MOTORBIKE ENGINE REVVING) 710 00:33:23,126 --> 00:33:26,087 LILY: And like every few months, something will resurface. 711 00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:27,380 (BIRDS CAWING) 712 00:33:27,463 --> 00:33:29,757 LILY: At one point, I thought about the day we ended up 713 00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:33,177 in this parking lot at a Kmart in San Diego. 714 00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:34,846 ♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 715 00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:37,390 LILY: John and I were fighting. 716 00:33:40,184 --> 00:33:42,562 And there was this crazy lady walking around. 717 00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:46,065 She had like this... (INHALES DEEPLY) 718 00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:48,609 ...broom that she had made out of palm leaves. 719 00:33:50,111 --> 00:33:51,571 She was like... 720 00:33:51,654 --> 00:33:54,323 (IMITATING) "When you guys get to Mexico, go to Tecate." 721 00:33:54,407 --> 00:33:57,535 And we never told her we were going to Mexico. 722 00:33:57,618 --> 00:33:59,537 And she kept saying, when you go to Mexico, 723 00:33:59,620 --> 00:34:01,706 when you go to Mexico, when you go to Mexico-- 724 00:34:01,789 --> 00:34:02,999 When you get to Mexico... 725 00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:06,961 She had us both, like, questioning our, like, 726 00:34:07,044 --> 00:34:10,506 really atheist, anti-spiritual, like, views at the time. 727 00:34:13,259 --> 00:34:16,429 At one point, she was running around the parking lot 728 00:34:16,512 --> 00:34:18,139 just yelling numbers into the air, 729 00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:21,350 and then comes back to our truck and gets real serious 730 00:34:21,434 --> 00:34:23,603 and looks at us and goes, 731 00:34:23,686 --> 00:34:25,730 "You're the pilot," to John. 732 00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:28,483 And she goes, "You're the co-pilot," to me. 733 00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:30,234 And then she goes, 734 00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:32,779 "But you, you need to learn how to be a pilot 735 00:34:32,862 --> 00:34:35,490 because he's not gonna be the pilot forever. 736 00:34:35,573 --> 00:34:37,116 You need to be the pilot." 737 00:34:38,201 --> 00:34:39,410 And I was like... 738 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,374 I thought about her a lot after the murder. 739 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:50,087 I was just like, "Fuck. I have no idea where, like, 740 00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:53,049 John Galton ends and where I started." 741 00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:57,178 So I was like, "Man, who the fuck am I?" 742 00:34:58,054 --> 00:35:00,223 ♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 743 00:35:00,306 --> 00:35:02,809 (PHONE CHIMES) 744 00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:09,690 (PHONE CHIMES) 745 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:14,403 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 746 00:35:18,032 --> 00:35:22,495 -(MOUSE CLICKING) -(CAR WHOOSHES) 747 00:35:22,578 --> 00:35:24,413 JASON: Threats were still coming in. 748 00:35:24,914 --> 00:35:26,123 (CAR WHOOSHES) 749 00:35:26,207 --> 00:35:28,543 He had me short-cycled in his mind. 750 00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:30,461 (MOUSE CLICKING) 751 00:35:34,841 --> 00:35:41,180 I was still feeling like he may just do something irrational. 752 00:35:41,264 --> 00:35:42,723 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 753 00:35:42,807 --> 00:35:44,725 NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) I've been abused and fucked over 754 00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:47,436 by almost everyone I loved and trusted here. 755 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,021 (MOUSE CLICKING) 756 00:35:49,105 --> 00:35:51,691 NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) I started an investigation into the entire community. 757 00:35:51,774 --> 00:35:53,651 I wouldn't get caught near Jason Henza, 758 00:35:53,734 --> 00:35:56,112 his lobotomized mental patient girl, Lily, 759 00:35:56,195 --> 00:35:58,614 or any of the Anarchapulco crew soon. 760 00:35:59,782 --> 00:36:01,909 (READING PROMPT) 761 00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:03,244 (MOUSE CLICKING) 762 00:36:03,327 --> 00:36:05,872 NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) But now, I hope they all rot in hell. 763 00:36:05,955 --> 00:36:09,125 It was difficult trying to understand what was going on 764 00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:11,252 inside Paul's head. 765 00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:14,088 When I would try to get him to be specific about, 766 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:16,507 "What are you-- what are you trying to accomplish? 767 00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:19,594 What do you think the problem is? 768 00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:21,596 And what do you think the solution is?" 769 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,181 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 770 00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:28,102 -♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -It just seemed like from pain and confusion, 771 00:36:28,185 --> 00:36:31,314 there was anger that he couldn't really explain. 772 00:36:31,397 --> 00:36:32,940 ♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 773 00:36:33,024 --> 00:36:34,650 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 774 00:36:34,734 --> 00:36:38,070 NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) I would never fit into that Cultapulco community, anyway. 775 00:36:38,154 --> 00:36:40,865 I'm not a degenerate, sexually repressed, 776 00:36:40,948 --> 00:36:43,367 socially awkward, pathetic nerd. 777 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:44,660 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 778 00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:47,246 NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) I'm just a broken old veteran, 779 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:49,999 who was lured down to the cult of Anarchapulco. 780 00:36:50,082 --> 00:36:51,792 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 781 00:36:51,876 --> 00:36:53,794 NARRATOR: (AS PAUL) I'm checking out. 782 00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:56,130 This community was my last try. 783 00:36:57,381 --> 00:37:00,009 (READING PROMPT) 784 00:37:00,092 --> 00:37:02,261 -(MOUSE CLICKING) -♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 785 00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:05,264 -(WAVES RUSTLING) -(BIRDS CHIRPING) 786 00:37:11,646 --> 00:37:13,856 JASON: It was the fourth of July. 787 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:18,569 I was doing a normal checkup on him. 788 00:37:18,653 --> 00:37:21,030 -(MOUSE CLICKING) -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) 789 00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:25,868 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 790 00:37:25,952 --> 00:37:28,412 JASON: And I saw rest in peace on his timeline. 791 00:37:29,205 --> 00:37:30,289 And I was thinking, 792 00:37:30,373 --> 00:37:31,958 "Okay, he's just screwing with me again." 793 00:37:33,042 --> 00:37:35,461 I did some more in-depth research 794 00:37:35,544 --> 00:37:37,672 and then I-- I got some details. 795 00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:38,798 (MOUSE CLICKING) 796 00:37:41,759 --> 00:37:44,053 He had, uh, taken his own life. 797 00:37:44,136 --> 00:37:47,431 ♪ (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 798 00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:53,020 TODD: After several bouts of self-harm 799 00:37:53,104 --> 00:37:55,231 and hospitalizations for his mental health, 800 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:57,316 Paul committed suicide 801 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,694 a few months after returning to Pennsylvania. 802 00:38:00,736 --> 00:38:02,822 If you can't appreciate the world around you 803 00:38:02,905 --> 00:38:06,325 and the beauty it holds, I feel sorry for you. 804 00:38:06,909 --> 00:38:07,910 You suck. 805 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,664 JASON: Paul's death made me feel scared because... 806 00:38:12,748 --> 00:38:14,083 I knew I was involved. 807 00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:19,171 I-- I knew I contributed to his spiral. 808 00:38:19,255 --> 00:38:22,717 I knew what I was doing when I was pushing him away. 809 00:38:23,968 --> 00:38:26,846 Because I knew it was life or death with Paul. 810 00:38:26,929 --> 00:38:28,889 There was no halfway with Paul. 811 00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:30,599 PAUL: Oh, my God! It's fucking hot! 812 00:38:30,683 --> 00:38:32,601 JASON: (LAUGHS) Just relax, Paul. 813 00:38:33,936 --> 00:38:38,274 LILY: The one thing I did say was, "Thank you, Paul." 814 00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:41,235 I'm not saying I wanted him to, 815 00:38:41,318 --> 00:38:46,198 but, I-- I am saying that I did not sleep until he died. 816 00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:49,910 I couldn't really relax. I didn't know what to expect. 817 00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:52,204 Like I was expecting him to pop up anywhere, you know, 818 00:38:52,288 --> 00:38:54,040 'cause who knows? Maybe he was gonna come back 819 00:38:54,123 --> 00:38:57,084 and, you know, really fuck up my life in the future. 820 00:38:58,419 --> 00:39:00,046 (INHALES DEEPLY) 821 00:39:02,381 --> 00:39:04,633 And then when he died that possibility went away 822 00:39:04,717 --> 00:39:05,968 and I was like, "Okay." 823 00:39:08,095 --> 00:39:09,180 I know that... 824 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:13,893 he caused hurt to people that I care about. 825 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,561 But... 826 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,980 I still remember... 827 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,901 gentle, admirable things about him too. 828 00:39:23,861 --> 00:39:25,446 And so that makes me feel conflicted. 829 00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:27,740 That makes me feel conflicted. 830 00:39:27,823 --> 00:39:30,409 -(BIRDS CAWING) -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 831 00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:33,621 LISA: Paul is just another sad, 832 00:39:34,538 --> 00:39:36,457 lonely, misunderstood boy. 833 00:39:39,418 --> 00:39:41,796 His death, his suicide was really sad... 834 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:44,757 but it did not shock me at all. 835 00:39:46,967 --> 00:39:49,178 He was a good man who was broken. 836 00:39:50,971 --> 00:39:52,264 Fuck you. 837 00:39:53,557 --> 00:39:54,850 JASON: Paul's not a monster... 838 00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:57,144 JASON: The story of the sweaty hat. (LAUGHS) 839 00:39:57,228 --> 00:40:00,773 JASON: ...he's just a guy that had substance abuse issues 840 00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:05,111 and PTSD and allowed it to control his life. 841 00:40:06,862 --> 00:40:09,073 LISA: Yes, he was responsible for his behavior 842 00:40:09,156 --> 00:40:10,157 and his life choices, 843 00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:13,244 but he didn't get a good hand to begin with. 844 00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:19,667 And what did Paul's death do for you and Nathan's view 845 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:22,086 of your time in Acapulco? 846 00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:25,422 It was another... 847 00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:29,343 fail. (SIGHS) 848 00:40:29,426 --> 00:40:31,470 ♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 849 00:40:31,554 --> 00:40:34,723 LISA: Nathan and I always wanted to try to help Paul, 850 00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:37,393 -but we couldn't save him. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 851 00:40:37,476 --> 00:40:40,271 LISA: (CRIES) And like somehow, it's our fault. 852 00:40:40,354 --> 00:40:41,480 -LISA: You want some? -Negative. 853 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,315 -It just smells divine. -LISA: You can have a bite. 854 00:40:43,399 --> 00:40:46,402 LISA: We always took ownership so much, 855 00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:48,946 so it was another-- it was another fail. 856 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:55,411 (CLANGS) 857 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:02,793 JUAN: Symbolically, like, his aggression, in a sense, 858 00:41:02,877 --> 00:41:05,045 was limiting our freedom. 859 00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:06,338 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 860 00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:08,174 Like there's no good story without a bad guy 861 00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:10,801 and he choose to be the bad guy, you know. 862 00:41:10,885 --> 00:41:12,178 (MOUSE CLICKING) 863 00:41:12,261 --> 00:41:14,346 JUAN: And I think that was actually, like, what he was 864 00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:16,849 -trying to do. -(MOUSE CLICKING) 865 00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:18,976 One way of looking at Paul was, he was just a troll, 866 00:41:19,059 --> 00:41:20,060 he was just trolling us... 867 00:41:20,144 --> 00:41:21,187 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 868 00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:22,897 JUAN: ...and he was a perfect troll. 869 00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:24,857 He chose to be the bad guy to teach us, 870 00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:29,153 kind of, where we were naïve, and where were ignorant. 871 00:41:30,696 --> 00:41:33,199 Because a lot of us are not trained 872 00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:37,328 in either conflict resolution or negotiation or compromise. 873 00:41:39,163 --> 00:41:43,542 So how are you gonna have a cohesive functional society 874 00:41:43,626 --> 00:41:46,545 without a-- a conflict resolution strategy 875 00:41:46,629 --> 00:41:50,090 without a court, without any plan at all? 876 00:41:50,174 --> 00:41:53,260 (VAN ENGINE REVVING) 877 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,054 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 878 00:41:58,265 --> 00:42:00,518 TODD: Acapulco's anarchists had seen two deaths 879 00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:02,269 in just five months. 880 00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:04,063 -(CAR WHOOSHING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 881 00:42:04,146 --> 00:42:06,190 TODD: And as the community seemed at its lowest... 882 00:42:06,273 --> 00:42:07,566 ♪ (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 883 00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:09,318 TODD: ...along came another shock. 884 00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:12,571 NEWS REPORTER: Crypto currency Ponzi scheme bilking 885 00:42:12,655 --> 00:42:15,574 three-quarters of a billion dollars from victims... 886 00:42:15,658 --> 00:42:17,868 NEWS REPORTER 2: At least five people were accused 887 00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:22,081 of conning investors out of more than 720 million dollars. 888 00:42:22,164 --> 00:42:23,332 According to the indictment, 889 00:42:23,415 --> 00:42:26,418 they duped people into joining their investment club, 890 00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:28,045 known as BitClub Network. 891 00:42:28,128 --> 00:42:31,465 TODD: BitClub was one of Anarchapulco's largest sponsors. 892 00:42:31,548 --> 00:42:34,260 And had deep ties to the conference. 893 00:42:34,343 --> 00:42:36,387 JOBY WEEKS: I've been sitting here on my laptop... 894 00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:38,514 (CHUCKLES) ...literally living on this ship 895 00:42:38,597 --> 00:42:41,141 making money with Bitcoin. 896 00:42:41,225 --> 00:42:43,310 TODD: Joby Weeks, one of the top promoters 897 00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:47,523 in BitClub's multi-level marketing program was indicted. 898 00:42:47,606 --> 00:42:51,735 And the US government accused BitClub of being a Ponzi scheme. 899 00:42:53,237 --> 00:42:55,614 Joby came away with two lesser charges, 900 00:42:55,698 --> 00:42:58,117 not directly tied to the fraud allegations. 901 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,703 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -TODD: But the scandal further tainted 902 00:43:00,786 --> 00:43:02,162 the Anarchapulco brand. 903 00:43:02,246 --> 00:43:03,455 PHOTOGRAPHER: Joby! (CHUCKLES) 904 00:43:03,539 --> 00:43:05,624 JESSICA: I'd be remiss not to mention Joby Weeks, 905 00:43:05,708 --> 00:43:09,295 he was kidnapped by, uh, the government. 906 00:43:09,378 --> 00:43:11,422 Hopefully, he'll be able to join us. 907 00:43:11,505 --> 00:43:14,091 And we're just, you know, just so excited 908 00:43:14,174 --> 00:43:16,302 about what's happening for Anarchapulco this year... 909 00:43:16,385 --> 00:43:18,679 TODD: Jessica Kill was also connected to BitClub 910 00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:20,347 as a promoter for the program. 911 00:43:20,431 --> 00:43:22,850 She first appeared at the conference in 2018 912 00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:25,352 and immediately faced broader skepticism. 913 00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:31,233 AMANDA: I think if you're gonna come into a community 914 00:43:31,317 --> 00:43:33,027 of people who are conscious, 915 00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:36,113 and you're going to try and divide and conquer, 916 00:43:36,196 --> 00:43:38,240 you're gonna be found out really fast. 917 00:43:38,324 --> 00:43:40,743 And I think this is a needed test to see, 918 00:43:40,826 --> 00:43:42,578 are we really sharp? Are we really conscious? 919 00:43:42,661 --> 00:43:44,455 Do we really know what we believe and why? 920 00:43:44,538 --> 00:43:46,373 -The test isn't over, right? -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 921 00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:48,334 There's one person that has to see it. 922 00:43:48,417 --> 00:43:49,668 -AMANDA: Yup. -Right? 923 00:43:49,752 --> 00:43:52,046 'Cause there's one person that does have the capacity 924 00:43:52,129 --> 00:43:54,548 to change that choice. 925 00:43:54,631 --> 00:43:57,134 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 926 00:44:08,354 --> 00:44:12,399 JEFF: Honestly, I'm not sure if BitClub was a complete fraud 927 00:44:12,483 --> 00:44:14,026 from the get-go. 928 00:44:14,109 --> 00:44:16,695 A lot of people were asking me to get rid of Jessica, 929 00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:19,698 but Jessica did a great job of running the event, 930 00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:22,659 especially given how most people hated her... 931 00:44:22,743 --> 00:44:24,703 (CHUCKLES) ...for no reason. 932 00:44:24,787 --> 00:44:27,206 So I just said, "Okay, let's try it one more time." 933 00:44:29,792 --> 00:44:31,210 (WAVES CRASHING) 934 00:44:37,966 --> 00:44:39,009 JEFF: The Freemans, 935 00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:41,261 now they hate me and all that kind of stuff. 936 00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:43,639 So that's where it got really weird. 937 00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:45,974 TODD: Well, what do you think their perception was, 938 00:44:46,058 --> 00:44:48,310 if you try to put yourself in their shoes? 939 00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,398 It's interesting, when we-- when we first got to Acapulco, 940 00:44:52,481 --> 00:44:56,819 we spent a lot of energy on community building, 941 00:44:56,902 --> 00:44:59,947 uh, and-- and trying to form 942 00:45:00,030 --> 00:45:02,533 uh, strong relationships with everyone. 943 00:45:02,616 --> 00:45:04,368 I don't know, it just got a little weird, 944 00:45:04,451 --> 00:45:05,577 just weird. 945 00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,455 Through that experience, we found that 946 00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:11,291 it didn't really pay off all that well. 947 00:45:13,961 --> 00:45:15,462 LISA: It was really disappointing. 948 00:45:16,755 --> 00:45:18,799 The integrity was no longer there. 949 00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:22,010 The leader of the "conference" 950 00:45:22,094 --> 00:45:24,638 was just pushing us further and further away. 951 00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:28,058 Berwick was in this... 952 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:32,062 like, strange reality. 953 00:45:32,146 --> 00:45:35,232 -(WAVES CRASHING) -(DOG BARKS) 954 00:45:37,818 --> 00:45:41,655 (BOAT ENGINE WHIRRING) 955 00:45:45,868 --> 00:45:49,163 JEFF: I have a real connection with Acapulco. 956 00:45:49,246 --> 00:45:51,290 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC FADES) ♪ 957 00:45:51,373 --> 00:45:53,459 JEFF: There's something magical about here, 958 00:45:53,542 --> 00:45:58,005 and my wife knows a lot about spirituality and about... 959 00:45:58,088 --> 00:46:01,175 -(DOG PANTING) -...other dimensions. 960 00:46:01,258 --> 00:46:05,304 And she says there's numerous portals here, 961 00:46:05,387 --> 00:46:07,097 but they can be good or bad. 962 00:46:07,598 --> 00:46:08,807 (DOG BARKING) 963 00:46:09,391 --> 00:46:11,268 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 964 00:46:11,351 --> 00:46:13,479 JEFF: There's something very special about here, 965 00:46:13,562 --> 00:46:15,856 but it's also very dangerous, I would say. 966 00:46:15,939 --> 00:46:18,984 Like if you come here and you got some problems, 967 00:46:19,067 --> 00:46:21,570 -you might have a bad time. -(THUNDER RUMBLING) 968 00:46:21,653 --> 00:46:23,071 JEFF: I'm not saying you're gonna die 969 00:46:23,155 --> 00:46:24,573 if you come here. (CHUCKLES) 970 00:46:24,656 --> 00:46:26,825 -And I'm not saying like John... -(BABY CRYING) 971 00:46:26,909 --> 00:46:29,328 ...got killed because of that. 972 00:46:29,411 --> 00:46:33,457 What I'm saying is, be careful about this place. 973 00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:35,000 There's so much energy here. 974 00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:38,879 Whatever you put out there will come back to you tenfold. 975 00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:42,299 (INDISTINCT CLAMOR) 976 00:46:42,382 --> 00:46:44,843 -SPECTATOR 1: That's a fire, folks. Yeah! -SPECTATOR 2: That's a fire. 977 00:46:44,927 --> 00:46:48,180 -(CHILDREN SHOUTING) -♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 978 00:46:48,263 --> 00:46:50,682 LISA: We had been burned by the leadership. 979 00:46:52,017 --> 00:46:54,895 The people who are so disconnected 980 00:46:54,978 --> 00:46:56,522 and want to control... 981 00:46:56,605 --> 00:46:57,523 (CHILDREN SHOUTING) 982 00:46:57,606 --> 00:47:01,235 Fuck off! Fuck off, you control freaks. 983 00:47:01,318 --> 00:47:04,530 ...but never own any of the mistakes that were made. 984 00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:10,953 Fuck off, bitch! Go die in a fucking hole! 985 00:47:11,036 --> 00:47:13,580 -Go die, bitch! -Yeah! 986 00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:16,458 JEFF: Anarchapulco is becoming over 2,000 people now. 987 00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:19,336 We're hoping maybe three to 5,000 next year. 988 00:47:19,419 --> 00:47:21,755 We're trying to change the entire world. 989 00:47:21,838 --> 00:47:26,093 And it-- I think this is only making us stronger. 990 00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:29,263 ANNOUNCER 1: The legend himself, Jeff Berwick, with Lucy, 991 00:47:29,346 --> 00:47:32,307 are gonna be talking about the most exciting things 992 00:47:32,391 --> 00:47:34,977 that are happening next year. And very importantly... 993 00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:37,104 ANNOUNCER 2: Forty percent off your tickets with... 994 00:47:37,187 --> 00:47:39,856 LISA: There was another conference next year, 995 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:42,025 but if you looked around the community 996 00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:45,654 you could see everyone having issues. 997 00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:47,656 It was-- It was a shit show. 998 00:47:47,739 --> 00:47:49,408 (THUNDER RUMBLING) 999 00:47:49,491 --> 00:47:51,994 This is so not Acapulco, this rain. 1000 00:47:52,077 --> 00:47:53,537 (DOG BARKING) 1001 00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:55,747 TODD: What was going on around that time 1002 00:47:55,831 --> 00:47:57,583 with the community? 1003 00:47:57,666 --> 00:47:59,793 I just did not know what was gonna happen. 1004 00:47:59,876 --> 00:48:02,254 -(THUNDER RUMBLING) -Whoa, there's a storm. 1005 00:48:02,337 --> 00:48:04,214 LILY: Things were really turbulent. 1006 00:48:04,298 --> 00:48:06,925 Should I stay in Acapulco? Should I leave? 1007 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:08,885 'Cause I was just like, "What the fuck am I gonna do?" 1008 00:48:08,969 --> 00:48:10,596 You know? (INHALES DEEPLY) 1009 00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:14,016 -(THUNDER RUMBLING) -♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC SWELLS) ♪ 1010 00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:18,520 JASON: Everything went awry. 1011 00:48:19,563 --> 00:48:21,940 I was watching my ideology fail in front of me. 1012 00:48:22,024 --> 00:48:28,947 -(THUNDER RUMBLING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1013 00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:34,703 (PASSENGER 1 LAUGHING) 1014 00:48:38,624 --> 00:48:42,586 Our community was literally just like, falling apart... 1015 00:48:42,669 --> 00:48:44,963 -(THUNDER RUMBLING) -Holy shit! 1016 00:48:45,047 --> 00:48:46,173 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1017 00:48:46,256 --> 00:48:48,592 LISA: ...and that only got worse as time went on. 1018 00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:53,430 So, where do you go from here? What's the next step? 1019 00:48:53,972 --> 00:48:55,599 (THUNDER BOOMS) 1020 00:48:57,267 --> 00:48:58,685 PASSENGER: Slut! 1021 00:48:58,769 --> 00:49:00,312 (PASSENGER LAUGHS) 1022 00:49:00,395 --> 00:49:01,897 (THUNDER CRASHES) 1023 00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:04,524 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING INDISTINCTLY OVER SPEAKERS) ♪ 1024 00:49:09,488 --> 00:49:12,407 ♪ ("BETWEEN THE LINES" BY CHUCK RAGAN PLAYING) ♪ 1025 00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:18,246 ♪ I was born with a choice ♪ 1026 00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:20,290 ♪ Fight for freedom Or fight the tours ♪ 1027 00:49:20,374 --> 00:49:24,211 ♪ Either way The fighting never ends ♪ 1028 00:49:24,294 --> 00:49:28,340 ♪ Stuck in mud in no man's land Or resting easy in the sand ♪ 1029 00:49:28,423 --> 00:49:32,427 ♪ Smelling that great ocean In the wind ♪ 1030 00:49:32,511 --> 00:49:36,098 ♪ Oh, here we go Another stand you know ♪ 1031 00:49:36,181 --> 00:49:40,352 ♪ Carry on, carry strong Keep surviving, keeping on ♪ 1032 00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:44,189 ♪ Oh, here we go Another stand you know ♪ 1033 00:49:44,272 --> 00:49:46,233 ♪ What a rush What a ride ♪ 1034 00:49:46,316 --> 00:49:49,986 ♪ Either way I fall between the lines ♪ 1035 00:49:52,322 --> 00:49:54,241 ♪ Oh, please, Mama ♪ 1036 00:49:54,324 --> 00:50:00,205 ♪ Hear my distant call ♪ 1037 00:50:00,288 --> 00:50:07,838 ♪ This may be my last stand After all ♪ 1038 00:50:07,921 --> 00:50:10,215 ♪ So if the night comes And I fall ♪ 1039 00:50:10,298 --> 00:50:12,217 ♪ Somewhere in the dark I ask ♪ 1040 00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:15,387 ♪ Know for greater good I gave my all ♪ 1041 00:50:16,388 --> 00:50:18,348 ♪ Give the ones I know my love ♪ 1042 00:50:18,432 --> 00:50:20,434 ♪ Tell them I was worth the blood ♪ 1043 00:50:20,517 --> 00:50:24,479 ♪ That I shed on grounds Far from home ♪ 1044 00:50:24,563 --> 00:50:28,233 ♪ Oh here we go Another stand you know ♪ 1045 00:50:28,316 --> 00:50:32,237 ♪ Carry on, carry strong Keep surviving, keeping on ♪ 1046 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,241 ♪ Oh here we go Another stand you know ♪ 1047 00:50:36,324 --> 00:50:39,578 ♪ Either way I fall between the lines ♪ 1048 00:50:39,661 --> 00:50:42,706 ♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪