1 00:00:02,109 --> 00:00:05,108 (suspenseful music) 2 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:10,247 - [Carre] There's a culture of silence in the industry 3 00:00:10,347 --> 00:00:13,106 because most people live in fear. 4 00:00:18,305 --> 00:00:20,744 - I was 15 and he was 42. 5 00:00:21,944 --> 00:00:25,323 - My agency was manipulating me. 6 00:00:25,423 --> 00:00:27,422 It's human trafficking. 7 00:00:29,502 --> 00:00:32,040 - You will all be providing your testimonies 8 00:00:32,141 --> 00:00:34,781 as part of the French criminal investigation. 9 00:00:36,460 --> 00:00:38,959 - [Anne-Claire] Jean-Luc Brunel is exposed as a rapist, 10 00:00:39,059 --> 00:00:41,059 but he continued to work. 11 00:00:42,059 --> 00:00:43,798 - [Marie] I was completely in shock 12 00:00:43,898 --> 00:00:47,977 at how expansive this web is. 13 00:00:49,817 --> 00:00:52,316 - Having the hope of him standing trial. 14 00:00:52,416 --> 00:00:54,435 I was like, "Yes." 15 00:00:54,535 --> 00:00:56,535 And if he could get convicted 16 00:00:57,095 --> 00:00:59,094 and then have it just go, puh!. 17 00:01:00,174 --> 00:01:02,913 - I just don't understand how that even happened. 18 00:01:03,013 --> 00:01:05,013 I just don't understand it. 19 00:01:05,973 --> 00:01:08,352 - Doesn't matter if we're fucking models. 20 00:01:08,452 --> 00:01:10,591 It's a human rights violation, period. 21 00:01:10,691 --> 00:01:13,451 (dramatic music) 22 00:01:23,808 --> 00:01:24,707 - [Sydney] Over the last year, 23 00:01:24,808 --> 00:01:26,987 the Model Alliance has been supporting survivors 24 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:28,787 of Gerald Marie. 25 00:01:28,887 --> 00:01:30,986 Six of them have traveled from across the world 26 00:01:31,086 --> 00:01:32,626 to testify to the French police 27 00:01:32,725 --> 00:01:34,225 about the abuse they suffered 28 00:01:34,325 --> 00:01:37,884 by their former modeling agent Gerald Marie. 29 00:01:41,004 --> 00:01:44,283 - [Carre] I look at my journey to get to this point, 30 00:01:45,201 --> 00:01:47,201 30 years. 31 00:01:48,442 --> 00:01:51,701 - [Jill] Nobody talks about it until someone does it first. 32 00:01:51,801 --> 00:01:53,380 So I'll go first. 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,340 I'm older. 34 00:01:55,439 --> 00:01:57,439 I can do it. 35 00:01:58,599 --> 00:02:00,918 I want other people to not have shame. 36 00:02:03,038 --> 00:02:04,537 - [Shawna] It's not until you take a step back 37 00:02:04,637 --> 00:02:05,377 from the situation 38 00:02:05,477 --> 00:02:10,396 and realize exactly the level of abuse that you experienced. 39 00:02:13,155 --> 00:02:15,095 - We all have collectively been waking up 40 00:02:15,195 --> 00:02:19,993 to very painful reality of what we actually did endure. 41 00:02:21,353 --> 00:02:23,173 I really thought that everything was happening 42 00:02:23,273 --> 00:02:25,892 was just happening to me. 43 00:02:25,992 --> 00:02:30,671 It had no idea the level that I now comprehend. 44 00:02:31,630 --> 00:02:34,070 (calm music) 45 00:02:47,226 --> 00:02:50,126 - April 8th, 1986, and it skips. 46 00:02:50,226 --> 00:02:53,245 And then it totally changes handwriting. 47 00:02:53,345 --> 00:02:58,144 And it says, "June 12th before and after the rape." 48 00:02:59,703 --> 00:03:02,722 And I'm back home and writing in my journal and I'm like, 49 00:03:02,822 --> 00:03:07,821 "I hate myself. I just keep crying. I don't leave the house. 50 00:03:08,381 --> 00:03:10,381 I think I'm going insane. 51 00:03:14,340 --> 00:03:19,338 This pain of misery is too great to be tolerated anymore. 52 00:03:20,098 --> 00:03:22,257 I will do something drastic." 53 00:03:23,817 --> 00:03:26,216 And I was seriously thinking I was suicidal. 54 00:03:28,616 --> 00:03:30,615 Yeah. 55 00:03:34,654 --> 00:03:36,834 I just went home and I didn't tell anyone. 56 00:03:36,934 --> 00:03:39,473 I didn't tell my parents. I didn't tell my boyfriend. 57 00:03:39,573 --> 00:03:44,412 I just, I didn't tell anyone. 58 00:03:47,531 --> 00:03:51,910 For the next two years, I was completely shut down about it. 59 00:03:52,009 --> 00:03:53,749 Did not wanna talk about it. 60 00:03:53,848 --> 00:03:56,009 And then I couldn't wake up in the morning. 61 00:03:57,009 --> 00:03:58,828 My mom she's like, "Why aren't you getting up? 62 00:03:58,928 --> 00:04:00,348 And what's wrong with you?" 63 00:04:00,448 --> 00:04:03,147 She said, "You're gonna go to a therapist." 64 00:04:03,247 --> 00:04:05,666 And I didn't even tell the woman the story. 65 00:04:05,766 --> 00:04:08,106 I felt like in some way I failed 66 00:04:08,206 --> 00:04:10,205 because I thought I was smarter. 67 00:04:13,084 --> 00:04:14,783 - It was clear that any money that I did make 68 00:04:14,884 --> 00:04:16,883 was going to go back to the agency. 69 00:04:17,683 --> 00:04:22,622 I was holding a round-trip ticket, Elite had paid for me. 70 00:04:22,722 --> 00:04:26,101 I got on that plane to Northern California 71 00:04:26,201 --> 00:04:28,500 and got out of that situation. 72 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,760 I'm so grateful that I got away. 73 00:04:33,719 --> 00:04:35,459 When I came back to California, 74 00:04:35,559 --> 00:04:40,557 it gave me enough space to settle, to cry a lot, 75 00:04:41,357 --> 00:04:42,577 to gain weight. 76 00:04:42,677 --> 00:04:44,096 I was still in that, like, 77 00:04:44,196 --> 00:04:47,456 how do I enter this industry on my terms? 78 00:04:47,556 --> 00:04:50,655 I'd spent time getting a portfolio in Europe. 79 00:04:50,755 --> 00:04:52,094 I had a cover. 80 00:04:52,194 --> 00:04:56,373 I'd found an agent and I could actually get paying work 81 00:04:56,473 --> 00:04:58,533 for the first time. 82 00:04:58,633 --> 00:05:03,631 I started to work with GUESS, Calvin Klein, Donna Karan. 83 00:05:04,071 --> 00:05:06,671 I was doing much better in some ways, 84 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:09,649 but of course I still had not told anyone 85 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:12,629 Gerald Marie had raped me when I was 17. 86 00:05:15,148 --> 00:05:18,987 I was still keeping a really intense secret. 87 00:05:20,827 --> 00:05:24,666 This was one of the first "Vogue" covers 88 00:05:25,546 --> 00:05:27,545 to have two women on it. 89 00:05:30,024 --> 00:05:33,844 When I got a call that I was going to go to Greece 90 00:05:33,944 --> 00:05:37,743 and that Linda Evangelista was going to be the other model, 91 00:05:38,902 --> 00:05:40,902 my heart sank. 92 00:05:41,902 --> 00:05:44,961 I felt incredibly insecure. 93 00:05:45,061 --> 00:05:48,560 Linda was married to Gerald at this point. 94 00:05:48,660 --> 00:05:51,519 And so it was this dirty, horrible secret. 95 00:05:51,619 --> 00:05:53,619 And I'm sure he hadn't told her. 96 00:05:54,538 --> 00:05:57,877 So I was just incredibly uncomfortable 97 00:05:57,976 --> 00:05:59,557 and incredibly ashamed. 98 00:05:59,657 --> 00:06:04,656 I was trying to portray beauty and youth and sexy and happy 99 00:06:05,336 --> 00:06:06,715 and carefree. 100 00:06:06,815 --> 00:06:09,994 And I was so heavily burdened 101 00:06:10,094 --> 00:06:13,913 by the experiences that I'd had that first round in Paris. 102 00:06:14,013 --> 00:06:16,473 (soft music) 103 00:06:16,573 --> 00:06:19,552 Linda was, and is an incredible model. 104 00:06:19,652 --> 00:06:24,311 So to show up with someone iconic like Linda 105 00:06:24,411 --> 00:06:29,409 who was married to my rapist was incredibly mind blowing. 106 00:06:32,848 --> 00:06:35,508 I got through it, but it was really a rough shoot for me. 107 00:06:35,608 --> 00:06:37,607 It was really triggering 108 00:06:38,087 --> 00:06:40,307 and she couldn't have known any of that. 109 00:06:40,407 --> 00:06:42,746 And I didn't have the tools and ability 110 00:06:42,846 --> 00:06:45,085 to articulate any of it. 111 00:06:49,364 --> 00:06:52,823 - After I was raped, I decided to leave the industry. 112 00:06:52,923 --> 00:06:54,623 I went back home. 113 00:06:54,723 --> 00:06:59,502 I just wanted to leave the bad memories behind me. 114 00:06:59,602 --> 00:07:02,461 And the fact that I can talk about this 115 00:07:02,561 --> 00:07:06,220 and I still feel trauma in my body, 116 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,939 and I still feel like I'm on the verge of crying 117 00:07:09,039 --> 00:07:12,698 says a lot because a lot of time has passed 118 00:07:12,798 --> 00:07:15,018 and I thought I'd dealt with it. 119 00:07:15,118 --> 00:07:19,456 But speaking about it brings up a lot of negative emotions. 120 00:07:19,556 --> 00:07:24,335 So I mean, I can see patterns in my past relationships 121 00:07:24,435 --> 00:07:28,094 where that broken part of me came out. 122 00:07:28,194 --> 00:07:30,594 (soft music) 123 00:08:15,342 --> 00:08:18,401 - I spent 10 years covering fashion. 124 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:21,600 I then wrote a book 125 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:24,440 that many people probably would've preferred 126 00:08:24,540 --> 00:08:25,959 was not written. 127 00:08:26,059 --> 00:08:29,998 And on these trips to Europe where I did these interviews 128 00:08:30,098 --> 00:08:33,258 and where I fielded threats, occasionally, 129 00:08:34,256 --> 00:08:37,236 I did feel paranoid. 130 00:08:37,336 --> 00:08:41,235 I had kept all of my tapes of these interviews 131 00:08:41,335 --> 00:08:44,315 in someone else's apartment, not in my hotel room, 132 00:08:44,415 --> 00:08:47,154 because, again, I was a little nervous 133 00:08:47,254 --> 00:08:50,073 about what these people were capable of. 134 00:08:50,173 --> 00:08:52,313 I felt that I was dealing with people 135 00:08:52,413 --> 00:08:54,412 who were capable of just about anything. 136 00:08:55,492 --> 00:08:57,631 - Ever since I had quit Elite, 137 00:08:57,731 --> 00:09:00,670 I had been trying to speak out to the media in Chicago, 138 00:09:00,770 --> 00:09:02,470 but nobody would listen. 139 00:09:02,570 --> 00:09:05,909 There's a culture of silence in the industry 140 00:09:06,009 --> 00:09:11,008 because most people live in fear. 141 00:09:12,367 --> 00:09:16,626 I have been very shunned by the industry for speaking out. 142 00:09:16,726 --> 00:09:19,426 I have had amazing amounts of people 143 00:09:19,526 --> 00:09:21,785 who have gone out of their way 144 00:09:21,885 --> 00:09:26,884 to prevent me from getting back into the agency business. 145 00:09:27,644 --> 00:09:29,143 (clock ticking) 146 00:09:29,243 --> 00:09:32,242 (suspenseful music) 147 00:09:35,482 --> 00:09:36,901 - Model agencies around the world 148 00:09:37,001 --> 00:09:39,460 are to rethink their policy of hiring girls 149 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:43,339 under the age of 16 for fashion shoots and catwalk modeling. 150 00:09:43,439 --> 00:09:45,419 Following a BBC documentary, 151 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:49,038 alleging exploitation of young girls by Elite Europe. 152 00:10:09,353 --> 00:10:12,492 - There was an expose on the BBC in 1999, 153 00:10:12,592 --> 00:10:15,551 which in part focused on Gerald Marie. 154 00:10:19,070 --> 00:10:23,849 - I remember seeing the BBC doc at the time. 155 00:10:23,949 --> 00:10:27,928 I was 22, and I remember I was silently happy thinking that, 156 00:10:28,028 --> 00:10:32,006 okay, these men are being held accountable 157 00:10:32,107 --> 00:10:37,106 and life took care of itself and they're gonna go down. 158 00:10:40,025 --> 00:10:43,564 You basically caught Gerald Marie on camera. 159 00:10:43,664 --> 00:10:47,363 And it really looked like he was trying to sleep with girls 160 00:10:47,463 --> 00:10:49,463 at the Look of the Year. 161 00:10:50,422 --> 00:10:54,281 It hit home 'cause I was like, "Yeah, that was me." 162 00:10:54,381 --> 00:10:57,600 And it also validated everything 163 00:10:57,700 --> 00:11:01,839 like all the confused feelings I had around that experience 164 00:11:01,939 --> 00:11:04,659 and the blame that... 165 00:11:17,215 --> 00:11:19,215 The blame that I put on myself 166 00:11:21,654 --> 00:11:26,533 and it just kind of exposed what a pig that man is. 167 00:11:32,651 --> 00:11:37,650 - I got a VHS tape of that documentary and I watched it. 168 00:11:38,050 --> 00:11:40,349 I'm like, "Hello people. 169 00:11:40,449 --> 00:11:42,189 This is what I've been saying. 170 00:11:42,289 --> 00:11:44,508 This did happen." 171 00:11:44,608 --> 00:11:49,027 Sexual impropriety, all of it was true. 172 00:11:49,127 --> 00:11:51,906 And I was so excited that it was going to now 173 00:11:52,006 --> 00:11:54,266 be worldwide knowledge. 174 00:11:54,366 --> 00:11:56,845 (tense music) 175 00:12:01,484 --> 00:12:03,543 (train moving sound) 176 00:12:03,643 --> 00:12:06,043 (calm music) 177 00:13:51,496 --> 00:13:54,595 - I was watching very closely to see who was gonna say what 178 00:13:54,695 --> 00:13:56,394 and who was gonna come forward with more information 179 00:13:56,494 --> 00:13:58,074 and the list of victims. 180 00:13:58,174 --> 00:13:59,674 I was really expecting all this. 181 00:13:59,774 --> 00:14:02,193 It felt like there's finally justice. 182 00:14:02,293 --> 00:14:04,732 (calm music) 183 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:19,349 The documentary had to be retracted and never shown again. 184 00:14:19,449 --> 00:14:22,688 And that was just crushing because it was all there. 185 00:14:47,961 --> 00:14:48,701 - [Micheal] Right. - [John] No. 186 00:15:13,475 --> 00:15:15,534 - [Micheal] Mm hmm. 187 00:15:15,634 --> 00:15:18,373 - Gerald Marie was suspended for a minute. 188 00:15:18,473 --> 00:15:20,653 And then he was back in business for all these years. 189 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:23,232 It's so outrageous. 190 00:15:26,191 --> 00:15:29,870 - It was crushing for all of us. 191 00:15:31,190 --> 00:15:33,849 The little bit of hope that I had had 192 00:15:33,949 --> 00:15:38,768 that this information would be finally divulged worldwide 193 00:15:38,868 --> 00:15:42,607 was snuffed out immediately. 194 00:15:42,707 --> 00:15:45,966 And I assumed at that moment, 195 00:15:46,066 --> 00:15:50,445 this story would never be heard again. 196 00:15:50,545 --> 00:15:52,545 And it was devastating. 197 00:15:53,744 --> 00:15:55,904 (exhales) 198 00:15:57,303 --> 00:15:59,983 (clears throat) 199 00:16:00,942 --> 00:16:01,642 - Yeah. 200 00:16:01,742 --> 00:16:04,242 I just don't understand how that even happened. 201 00:16:04,342 --> 00:16:06,341 I just don't understand it. 202 00:16:12,140 --> 00:16:15,639 - That must be a powerful feeling to abuse people, 203 00:16:15,739 --> 00:16:18,818 have it exposed publicly and then get away with it. 204 00:16:20,018 --> 00:16:23,357 I mean, I assume that he felt invincible. 205 00:16:23,457 --> 00:16:26,136 (clock ticking) 206 00:16:35,014 --> 00:16:36,433 - I don't think that the fashion business 207 00:16:36,533 --> 00:16:41,532 had any great interest or inclination to change. 208 00:16:42,092 --> 00:16:43,911 Talking about some of the nasty stuff, 209 00:16:44,011 --> 00:16:47,710 the bugs in the mattress was not gonna fly. 210 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:50,070 They just had no interest in it. 211 00:16:50,170 --> 00:16:55,228 And so I think that anyone who expected them 212 00:16:55,328 --> 00:16:59,727 to suddenly stand up and testify was kidding themselves. 213 00:17:00,727 --> 00:17:03,966 (police siren blaring) 214 00:17:05,606 --> 00:17:08,145 (calm music) 215 00:17:08,245 --> 00:17:11,264 - I started investigating this in 2018. 216 00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:14,384 I'd been reporting on the Harvey Weinstein case. 217 00:17:14,484 --> 00:17:17,503 I had realized that quite a few of his accusers were models. 218 00:17:17,603 --> 00:17:20,422 And they were telling me that they were introduced to him 219 00:17:20,522 --> 00:17:22,521 via modeling agents. 220 00:17:24,121 --> 00:17:27,460 Gerald Marie's name came up again and again, 221 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,299 but quite often the women were scared to come forward 222 00:17:30,399 --> 00:17:33,339 about a man who was still working in the industry. 223 00:17:33,439 --> 00:17:36,538 Marie was still working at a small agency in Paris 224 00:17:36,638 --> 00:17:38,457 and working with models. 225 00:17:38,557 --> 00:17:41,177 It took really a few years to get enough evidence together 226 00:17:41,277 --> 00:17:44,136 and get enough women to come forward. 227 00:17:44,236 --> 00:17:49,135 And that includes the stories of Carre Otis, Shawna Lee, 228 00:17:49,235 --> 00:17:51,234 and Jill Dodd. 229 00:17:51,794 --> 00:17:53,334 - When I talked to Lucy, 230 00:17:53,434 --> 00:17:56,473 I'll never forget I was at my daughter's house 231 00:17:57,393 --> 00:17:59,752 and I was walking around and around the block 232 00:18:00,912 --> 00:18:05,530 and it was raining and I came back 233 00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:08,170 and I was trying to explain to her, 234 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:11,449 "I cannot believe someone actually cares about this story." 235 00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:13,548 It was like a pivot of everything. 236 00:18:14,428 --> 00:18:16,708 It completely changed at that point. 237 00:18:18,867 --> 00:18:20,726 - In total, in "The Guardian" investigations 238 00:18:20,826 --> 00:18:21,926 into Gerald Marie, 239 00:18:22,026 --> 00:18:24,326 we told stories of 16 different women 240 00:18:24,426 --> 00:18:26,765 and their allegations spanned 20 years 241 00:18:26,865 --> 00:18:30,244 and highlighted a pattern of behavior. 242 00:18:30,344 --> 00:18:33,203 For example, a lot of them experienced the sexual assaults 243 00:18:33,303 --> 00:18:35,323 at Gerald Marie's home. 244 00:18:35,423 --> 00:18:36,442 And quite often as well, 245 00:18:36,542 --> 00:18:38,682 we kept hearing these allegations of the abuse 246 00:18:38,782 --> 00:18:40,201 being tied into work somehow. 247 00:18:40,301 --> 00:18:42,081 So sort of being rewarded 248 00:18:42,181 --> 00:18:43,641 for not speaking about it afterwards 249 00:18:43,741 --> 00:18:47,180 by being given the promise of high profile work. 250 00:18:48,499 --> 00:18:49,959 - When I read the article, 251 00:18:50,059 --> 00:18:53,198 I think it just brought out a lot of traumatic feelings, 252 00:18:53,298 --> 00:18:56,077 just seeing everyone's stories back to back, 253 00:18:56,177 --> 00:18:57,277 one after the other. 254 00:18:57,377 --> 00:18:58,597 I felt awful for myself. 255 00:18:58,697 --> 00:19:02,836 I felt awful for the experiences that the other women had. 256 00:19:02,936 --> 00:19:05,835 I did not know any of those women existed 257 00:19:05,935 --> 00:19:08,314 before that investigation. 258 00:19:08,414 --> 00:19:11,953 - It's not that I thought I was a standalone case 259 00:19:12,053 --> 00:19:16,632 with Gerald, but my worldview was tiny. I was 17. 260 00:19:16,732 --> 00:19:17,552 I was a kid. 261 00:19:17,652 --> 00:19:22,651 So I had no idea how far and wide the abuses went. 262 00:19:28,129 --> 00:19:31,668 - It's this huge well orchestrated system of abuse 263 00:19:31,768 --> 00:19:35,167 that has been going on for decades. 264 00:19:36,127 --> 00:19:37,507 It wasn't just a few bad apples. 265 00:19:37,607 --> 00:19:41,426 It was this much more systemic problem. 266 00:19:41,526 --> 00:19:44,105 And it wasn't just limited to the modeling industry. 267 00:19:44,205 --> 00:19:47,984 They were supplying this broader network of powerful men. 268 00:19:48,084 --> 00:19:49,584 And the most sinister 269 00:19:49,684 --> 00:19:52,103 is learning about Epstein's connection. 270 00:19:52,203 --> 00:19:54,922 (dramatic music) 271 00:19:59,521 --> 00:20:01,141 - [News Reporter] 66 Year old Jeffrey Epstein 272 00:20:01,241 --> 00:20:03,060 was arrested Saturday in New Jersey 273 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,180 after returning from Paris on his private jet. 274 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,899 - [News Reporter] The 66 year old 275 00:20:06,999 --> 00:20:10,258 is charged with sex trafficking and conspiracy. 276 00:20:10,358 --> 00:20:12,298 Now, prosecutors say the alleged sex ring 277 00:20:12,398 --> 00:20:15,497 may have involved dozens of underage teenage girls. 278 00:20:15,597 --> 00:20:17,057 - [News Reporter] Prosecutors referred to Epstein 279 00:20:17,157 --> 00:20:19,156 as an alleged serial predator. 280 00:20:21,156 --> 00:20:22,735 - Jeffrey Epstein had relationships 281 00:20:22,835 --> 00:20:24,255 with various modeling agents 282 00:20:24,355 --> 00:20:26,294 and had varying levels of success 283 00:20:26,394 --> 00:20:29,533 in establishing agencies with them 284 00:20:29,633 --> 00:20:32,413 or going into business with them in some way. 285 00:20:32,513 --> 00:20:33,652 These are just some of the lawsuits 286 00:20:33,752 --> 00:20:36,931 that we've used as part of "The Guardian" reporting. 287 00:20:37,031 --> 00:20:39,531 This is the lawsuit of a woman 288 00:20:39,631 --> 00:20:42,250 that I spoke to a couple of years ago. 289 00:20:42,350 --> 00:20:45,369 She alleges that while she was working 290 00:20:45,469 --> 00:20:47,769 for Elite Model Management when she was about 15, 291 00:20:47,869 --> 00:20:52,128 she was sent by John Casablancas to Jeffrey Epstein. 292 00:20:52,228 --> 00:20:55,047 Epstein introduced himself as a photographer. 293 00:20:55,147 --> 00:20:58,986 And it goes on to explain that he sexually assaulted her. 294 00:20:59,906 --> 00:21:03,485 Perhaps most significant is his relationship with Brunel, 295 00:21:03,585 --> 00:21:07,764 which in 2004, resulted in Brunel setting up an agency 296 00:21:07,864 --> 00:21:09,763 backed by Epstein in Miami 297 00:21:09,863 --> 00:21:12,762 just down the road from Epstein's Palm Beach mansion. 298 00:21:12,862 --> 00:21:15,522 - Another arrest connected to financier 299 00:21:15,622 --> 00:21:18,361 and accused sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein, 300 00:21:18,461 --> 00:21:20,120 this one in Paris, 301 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:23,080 of famed modeling agent, Jean-Luc Brunel. 302 00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:26,839 He is facing potential charges of rape, sexual assault, 303 00:21:26,939 --> 00:21:30,038 including of minors, sexual harassment, 304 00:21:30,138 --> 00:21:32,317 and like his good friend, Jeffrey Epstein, 305 00:21:32,417 --> 00:21:34,637 sex trafficking of minors. 306 00:21:34,737 --> 00:21:37,076 - [News Reporter] Epstein told one of his victims 307 00:21:37,176 --> 00:21:42,155 that he had slept with more than 1000 women 308 00:21:42,255 --> 00:21:45,414 sent to him by Jean-Luc Brunel. 309 00:21:46,654 --> 00:21:50,193 - Virginia Giuffre accuses Brunel of supplying Epstein 310 00:21:50,293 --> 00:21:53,812 with more than a thousand girls and women to abuse. 311 00:21:54,851 --> 00:21:57,470 It's quite a staggering figure. 312 00:21:57,571 --> 00:21:59,550 She also alleges that 313 00:21:59,650 --> 00:22:01,230 she was forced to have sex with Brunel. 314 00:22:01,330 --> 00:22:02,749 And she says that it was Brunel 315 00:22:02,849 --> 00:22:04,789 that often arranged the travel documents 316 00:22:04,889 --> 00:22:06,948 for Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein 317 00:22:07,048 --> 00:22:09,148 to get these women from all around the world 318 00:22:09,248 --> 00:22:11,267 to wherever Epstein was. 319 00:22:11,367 --> 00:22:13,467 Brunel and Epstein's relationship dates back years, 320 00:22:13,567 --> 00:22:16,786 they were allegedly introduced by Ghislaine Maxwell 321 00:22:16,886 --> 00:22:17,985 back in the 80s. 322 00:22:18,085 --> 00:22:21,505 Brunel lived in Epstein's apartment building in New York 323 00:22:21,605 --> 00:22:23,784 for some time. 324 00:22:23,884 --> 00:22:25,344 This photograph was recently released 325 00:22:25,444 --> 00:22:29,303 as part of Ghislaine Maxwell's trial. 326 00:22:29,403 --> 00:22:31,662 So it's the first picture that we've seen 327 00:22:31,762 --> 00:22:34,701 of Ghislaine, Epstein, and Brunel together. 328 00:22:34,801 --> 00:22:36,741 In fact, it's the first picture we've seen of Epstein 329 00:22:36,841 --> 00:22:38,660 and Brunel together before. 330 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,180 And it's on Epstein's private jet, 331 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,299 the so-called Lolita Express. 332 00:22:43,399 --> 00:22:44,739 And in the other pictures, 333 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:48,818 you can see Ghislaine is giving Epstein a foot rub. 334 00:22:48,918 --> 00:22:50,897 Brunel, according to Epstein's flight logs, 335 00:22:50,997 --> 00:22:55,116 he flew on Epstein's private jet 25 times, 336 00:22:57,195 --> 00:22:59,735 which really shows you how close they were 337 00:22:59,835 --> 00:23:01,994 and how much time they were spending together. 338 00:23:03,594 --> 00:23:05,573 - When I heard about the Jeffrey Epstein thing, 339 00:23:05,673 --> 00:23:07,933 I got this weird pit in my stomach. 340 00:23:08,033 --> 00:23:10,172 I had no idea they knew each other. 341 00:23:10,272 --> 00:23:11,972 This man, for decades 342 00:23:12,072 --> 00:23:15,091 has been doing this horrible stuff to girls. 343 00:23:15,191 --> 00:23:17,290 And if he's not conquering them sexually, 344 00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:20,130 he's sending them off to his friends to do so. 345 00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:23,329 (tense music) 346 00:23:23,429 --> 00:23:28,127 - It has dawned on me over the past year 347 00:23:28,227 --> 00:23:32,446 that there was a network of agents 348 00:23:32,546 --> 00:23:36,245 that were working to supply young women 349 00:23:36,345 --> 00:23:38,885 to rich powerful men. 350 00:23:38,985 --> 00:23:43,983 And it wasn't until I spoke with a lawyer and he said to me, 351 00:23:44,863 --> 00:23:48,562 "Do you understand that that's classic, 352 00:23:48,662 --> 00:23:50,662 classic human trafficking?" 353 00:23:51,741 --> 00:23:55,360 And it hit me like a ton of bricks. 354 00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:58,580 It was so, so unbelievably painful. 355 00:24:01,699 --> 00:24:03,918 - It's taken 40 years for me to realize 356 00:24:04,018 --> 00:24:05,838 that I was trafficked. 357 00:24:05,938 --> 00:24:09,597 Someone purchased a meeting with me 358 00:24:09,697 --> 00:24:12,196 without my knowing about it. 359 00:24:12,296 --> 00:24:16,235 So yeah, I was pissed off when I realized it. 360 00:24:16,335 --> 00:24:21,234 And I was angry and I was hurt and I was just... 361 00:24:21,334 --> 00:24:22,393 It was devastating. 362 00:24:22,493 --> 00:24:25,593 (tense music) 363 00:24:58,164 --> 00:25:01,943 - Let's stop with trying to normalize and cover up 364 00:25:02,043 --> 00:25:04,903 and compartmentalize and make excuses 365 00:25:05,003 --> 00:25:08,542 for horrific human rights violations. 366 00:25:08,642 --> 00:25:11,021 It doesn't matter if we are fucking models. 367 00:25:11,121 --> 00:25:13,560 It's a human rights violation, period. 368 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,079 - I was completely in shock at how expansive this web is. 369 00:25:21,718 --> 00:25:23,938 And it definitely falls 370 00:25:24,038 --> 00:25:26,717 under the category of human trafficking. 371 00:25:27,557 --> 00:25:31,776 And I was appalled to realize that I've been a part of it. 372 00:25:31,876 --> 00:25:34,275 (calm music) 373 00:25:35,875 --> 00:25:37,774 - Hi ladies. 374 00:25:37,874 --> 00:25:38,614 - [Both] Hi Carre. 375 00:25:38,714 --> 00:25:42,013 - [Carre] Hi. How is everyone? 376 00:25:42,113 --> 00:25:46,292 - The flood gates opened and more women came forward. 377 00:25:46,392 --> 00:25:51,391 And then we started meeting once a week over zoom 378 00:25:52,110 --> 00:25:54,090 and the group is still growing. 379 00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:57,569 It can take decades for the numbers to align 380 00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:59,928 and to where you understand what actually happened to you. 381 00:26:00,028 --> 00:26:02,128 - Now, there are lots of us. 382 00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:02,968 - [Lesa] With me, 383 00:26:03,068 --> 00:26:06,007 I felt much stronger once Carrie had come out 384 00:26:06,107 --> 00:26:08,526 and the other women, Jill and Lori, 385 00:26:08,626 --> 00:26:11,126 and it really made me feel much more comfortable 386 00:26:11,226 --> 00:26:12,445 to come forward. I think it's- 387 00:26:12,545 --> 00:26:15,444 - Several survivors reached out to me 388 00:26:15,544 --> 00:26:18,864 and asked if I would be willing to put my name 389 00:26:19,903 --> 00:26:22,123 in a written testimony, 390 00:26:22,223 --> 00:26:25,122 a legal testimony against Gerald Marie 391 00:26:25,222 --> 00:26:28,181 to open up a criminal investigation in Paris. 392 00:26:30,261 --> 00:26:33,880 I started to think about the bigger picture. 393 00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:36,379 It could possibly be many more women. 394 00:26:37,259 --> 00:26:40,878 So it was myself and two other women that came forward first 395 00:26:40,978 --> 00:26:43,837 to offer our testimony, a written testimony 396 00:26:43,937 --> 00:26:44,917 to French authorities. 397 00:26:45,017 --> 00:26:47,696 (hopeful music) 398 00:26:48,896 --> 00:26:51,395 - The case has been accepted by the prosecutor 399 00:26:51,495 --> 00:26:53,835 because of number of victim. 400 00:26:53,935 --> 00:26:56,954 At first it was only four victims who came forward. 401 00:26:57,054 --> 00:27:00,113 And then one more, one more. 402 00:27:00,213 --> 00:27:04,232 And today we are at 14 victims, 403 00:27:04,332 --> 00:27:06,791 which is a really big number. 404 00:27:06,891 --> 00:27:10,230 The investigation has been open against Gerald Marie 405 00:27:10,330 --> 00:27:14,569 for rape, rape on minor, and sexual assault. 406 00:27:15,929 --> 00:27:17,508 - In a few short weeks, 407 00:27:17,608 --> 00:27:20,148 you will all be providing your testimonies 408 00:27:20,248 --> 00:27:22,587 as part of the French criminal investigation 409 00:27:22,687 --> 00:27:24,307 into Gerald Marie. 410 00:27:24,407 --> 00:27:25,946 - To be doing this all together 411 00:27:26,046 --> 00:27:30,865 and Paris to be 10 days away, I feel ready. 412 00:27:30,965 --> 00:27:33,784 I feel like this year has been just massive preparation 413 00:27:33,884 --> 00:27:35,584 to go do this. 414 00:27:35,684 --> 00:27:38,223 - Talking to each other as witnesses 415 00:27:38,323 --> 00:27:43,062 of what we all went through, it becomes more and more real. 416 00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:45,781 I'm looking forward to meeting everybody in person, 417 00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:47,821 and I feel like you guys are all my sisters. 418 00:27:47,921 --> 00:27:50,500 I wish you lived next door to me so I could just go. 419 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,420 (laughs) 420 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,039 (tense music) 421 00:28:06,356 --> 00:28:07,976 - It's unbelievable 422 00:28:08,076 --> 00:28:11,835 that this is where all of us endured such harm 423 00:28:12,834 --> 00:28:15,134 and that we're all willing to actually go back 424 00:28:15,234 --> 00:28:20,232 and testify and revisit this place. 425 00:28:23,032 --> 00:28:24,731 It's been incredibly powerful 426 00:28:24,831 --> 00:28:27,171 to be with this group of women. 427 00:28:27,271 --> 00:28:29,930 There is something about safety in numbers. 428 00:28:30,030 --> 00:28:35,009 It's felt doable taking these big courageous steps. 429 00:28:35,109 --> 00:28:37,588 (tense music) 430 00:28:43,866 --> 00:28:46,726 This is an amazing moment for myself 431 00:28:46,826 --> 00:28:48,725 and for so many survivors. 432 00:28:48,825 --> 00:28:49,925 For so many of us, 433 00:28:50,025 --> 00:28:51,764 certainly within the modeling industry 434 00:28:51,864 --> 00:28:56,863 that have had to just normalize so much harassment and abuse 435 00:28:58,343 --> 00:29:00,342 for decades. 436 00:29:01,702 --> 00:29:04,361 - I am nervous that more is gonna come back today 437 00:29:04,461 --> 00:29:08,040 that I haven't quite dealt with yet. 438 00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:10,699 So I'm scared about that for sure. 439 00:29:12,019 --> 00:29:12,759 Yeah. 440 00:29:12,859 --> 00:29:14,838 Just the reality of what happened. 441 00:29:14,938 --> 00:29:19,937 It's hard to believe that I was raped and sold. 442 00:29:25,136 --> 00:29:25,955 - [Both] Hi. 443 00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:27,515 - How are you? 444 00:29:27,615 --> 00:29:28,355 - Good to see you. 445 00:29:28,455 --> 00:29:29,475 - Good to see you. Thanks for being here. 446 00:29:30,575 --> 00:29:31,354 Hi. That's Jeff. 447 00:29:31,454 --> 00:29:32,234 - Hi. How are you? 448 00:29:32,334 --> 00:29:33,154 - Hi. Nice to meet you. 449 00:29:33,254 --> 00:29:34,074 - Good to see you. 450 00:29:34,174 --> 00:29:36,043 - What happened to you with Gerald Marie, 451 00:29:36,403 --> 00:29:39,182 it will be very focused on him, of course. 452 00:29:39,281 --> 00:29:43,141 So sometimes she will ask you not get back to Gerald Marie. 453 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,461 - okay. 454 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,499 - Everything you can remember about names, dates, 455 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:52,659 because they try to identify coconspirators as well. 456 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,218 And you can also, of course, talk about human trafficking. 457 00:29:56,317 --> 00:29:58,017 I think it's gonna be interesting 458 00:29:58,116 --> 00:30:01,855 as soon as there's this link with Gerald Marie. 459 00:30:01,955 --> 00:30:04,476 (tense music) 460 00:30:16,232 --> 00:30:18,872 - My deposition was six and a half hours. 461 00:30:22,011 --> 00:30:24,011 I was determined not to cry, 462 00:30:24,571 --> 00:30:27,110 but the detective said something to me 463 00:30:27,209 --> 00:30:30,289 to the effect of no judgment. 464 00:30:32,289 --> 00:30:35,727 And I caught onto that and I started bawling. 465 00:30:36,687 --> 00:30:41,686 And the fact that she was saying to the interpreter, 466 00:30:47,005 --> 00:30:48,504 she wanted me to be able to speak 467 00:30:48,603 --> 00:30:50,603 without feeling like I was judged. 468 00:30:52,763 --> 00:30:56,701 When all of my life I've been judged by this 469 00:30:56,802 --> 00:30:58,802 by so many people. 470 00:30:59,562 --> 00:31:03,001 And then to hear her say this, it broke me. 471 00:31:04,959 --> 00:31:07,978 And then that she used that same word later 472 00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:09,059 and it broke me again. 473 00:31:09,159 --> 00:31:10,139 (chuckles) 474 00:31:10,238 --> 00:31:15,178 So it shows me that I'm not 100% healed yet. 475 00:31:15,277 --> 00:31:17,097 I know that I'm not. 476 00:31:17,197 --> 00:31:19,097 I don't know if you can ever be a 100% healed 477 00:31:19,197 --> 00:31:21,196 from these things. 478 00:31:24,074 --> 00:31:27,235 (clock ticking sound) 479 00:31:29,714 --> 00:31:32,453 - Being here again brings back a lot of memories 480 00:31:32,553 --> 00:31:34,972 when I was here as a teenager. 481 00:31:35,072 --> 00:31:37,911 I think it's important for these conversations to be had 482 00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:43,010 as far as the type of abuse of power 483 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:46,968 that's gone on in the fashion industry for a very long time, 484 00:31:47,069 --> 00:31:51,408 not just Gerald Marie specifically, 485 00:31:51,507 --> 00:31:54,526 although this is about him. 486 00:31:54,627 --> 00:31:59,085 I think the meaning of this is to help protect young girls 487 00:31:59,186 --> 00:32:00,565 in the industry as a whole. 488 00:32:00,666 --> 00:32:03,245 It's more than just being about myself. 489 00:32:03,344 --> 00:32:06,024 We're all here to help create change. 490 00:32:08,504 --> 00:32:10,443 I think it's sort of been healing in a way 491 00:32:10,543 --> 00:32:14,762 to be able to talk about shared experiences. 492 00:32:14,861 --> 00:32:16,762 I guess I'm just realizing that 493 00:32:16,861 --> 00:32:20,281 I have hung on to a lot of the trauma 494 00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:22,199 and it's maybe a way to kind of release it 495 00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:25,120 by realizing that there was a lot of others 496 00:32:25,219 --> 00:32:28,258 and that we can kind of stand together on this. 497 00:32:31,818 --> 00:32:33,158 - But there's this caveat. 498 00:32:33,257 --> 00:32:36,556 There's something called the statute of limitations. 499 00:32:36,657 --> 00:32:37,595 There's a French law 500 00:32:37,696 --> 00:32:39,995 which means you can't charge someone with a crime 501 00:32:40,095 --> 00:32:42,554 if it took place more than 30 years ago. 502 00:32:42,655 --> 00:32:45,133 (tense music) 503 00:32:52,132 --> 00:32:54,512 (motorcycle engine revving) 504 00:32:54,611 --> 00:32:57,271 I and the other survivors are time barred in France, 505 00:32:57,370 --> 00:33:00,509 meaning we're all outside of the statute of limitations. 506 00:33:00,610 --> 00:33:03,110 - We don't have any recent victims. 507 00:33:03,209 --> 00:33:07,028 So Gerald Marie at this time cannot be officially charged 508 00:33:07,129 --> 00:33:09,128 for all his crimes. 509 00:33:10,807 --> 00:33:14,786 - The hope and motivation of going all the way to Paris 510 00:33:14,887 --> 00:33:16,585 to give our testimony 511 00:33:16,686 --> 00:33:21,104 is really to help push forward this case. 512 00:33:21,205 --> 00:33:24,303 And the only way to do that is if somebody comes forward, 513 00:33:24,403 --> 00:33:27,484 whose abuse took place less than 30 years ago. 514 00:33:28,723 --> 00:33:30,703 I have no doubt that there are women 515 00:33:30,803 --> 00:33:34,582 who are within the statute that will come forward. 516 00:33:34,681 --> 00:33:36,460 And once that happens in Paris, France, 517 00:33:36,561 --> 00:33:38,861 then it moves from a criminal investigation 518 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,820 to a possible case against Gerald. 519 00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:44,319 (calm music) 520 00:33:49,237 --> 00:33:50,257 - [Marianne] Breakfast. 521 00:33:50,358 --> 00:33:52,256 (both laugh) 522 00:33:52,357 --> 00:33:54,097 - Oh, I've waiting for this. 523 00:33:54,197 --> 00:33:55,335 I'm so hungry. 524 00:33:55,436 --> 00:33:56,936 Thanks. 525 00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:59,175 - There is a lawyer representing all these women 526 00:33:59,274 --> 00:34:03,254 in Paris right now against this agent from Elite 527 00:34:03,353 --> 00:34:04,934 named Gerald Marie. 528 00:34:05,034 --> 00:34:06,973 She's the same lawyer 529 00:34:07,072 --> 00:34:08,773 who's going to be going after Jean-Luc 530 00:34:08,873 --> 00:34:10,452 from the agency I worked for. 531 00:34:10,552 --> 00:34:11,652 - Ooh. - Yeah. 532 00:34:11,751 --> 00:34:12,852 - That sounds promising. 533 00:34:12,952 --> 00:34:15,171 - And I'm gonna be speaking with her today. 534 00:34:15,271 --> 00:34:17,851 - It's high time something is being done about it. 535 00:34:17,951 --> 00:34:19,410 We have to speak up? 536 00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:21,510 - Yeah. 537 00:34:21,910 --> 00:34:25,608 - Jean-Luc Brunel was arrested in December, 2020. 538 00:34:25,709 --> 00:34:27,448 He was indicted for the rape of a minor 539 00:34:27,548 --> 00:34:30,606 and he remains in custody awaiting trial in Paris. 540 00:34:30,706 --> 00:34:33,047 Unlike the Gerald Marie investigation, 541 00:34:33,146 --> 00:34:36,925 a woman has come forward within the statute of limitations 542 00:34:37,026 --> 00:34:39,845 for the Jean-Luc Brunel case, 543 00:34:39,945 --> 00:34:43,644 which means that the case can move forward to trial. 544 00:34:43,744 --> 00:34:45,963 And Marianne now feels ready 545 00:34:46,063 --> 00:34:48,323 to add her own testimony to the case 546 00:34:48,423 --> 00:34:51,302 in the hope that Brunel can finally be brought to account. 547 00:34:52,581 --> 00:34:54,121 - Hi, can you hear me? 548 00:34:54,221 --> 00:34:55,601 - Yes. It's Marianne. 549 00:34:55,701 --> 00:34:58,119 - I'm happy to talk to you 550 00:34:58,220 --> 00:35:01,479 and I'd be happy to hear your story, of course. 551 00:35:01,579 --> 00:35:04,239 What's your experience with him? 552 00:35:04,338 --> 00:35:07,038 - I try to go to sleep and at some point I fall asleep, 553 00:35:07,137 --> 00:35:07,878 I guess. 554 00:35:07,978 --> 00:35:08,698 And then I wake up startled 555 00:35:08,778 --> 00:35:10,916 and he's completely naked on top of me 556 00:35:11,017 --> 00:35:13,195 trying to penetrate me. 557 00:35:13,296 --> 00:35:16,875 And I'm in shock and I'm scared. I'm freaked out. 558 00:35:16,974 --> 00:35:17,875 - Okay. 559 00:35:17,974 --> 00:35:22,554 And so did he try, or did he penetrate you actually? 560 00:35:22,654 --> 00:35:25,153 - I had panties on and if I didn't have that, 561 00:35:25,253 --> 00:35:26,113 it would've... 562 00:35:26,213 --> 00:35:26,972 Who knows what would've happened. 563 00:35:27,052 --> 00:35:27,753 - [Anne-Claire] Yeah, yeah. 564 00:35:27,853 --> 00:35:32,471 And then I flipped him to the side in complete shock 565 00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:37,570 and then he pushed my head down to do oral on him, 566 00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:38,910 which I didn't wanna do. 567 00:35:39,010 --> 00:35:41,869 I didn't want his skin touching me at all. 568 00:35:41,969 --> 00:35:43,628 I was completely hysterical about this. 569 00:35:43,729 --> 00:35:46,528 And then he made me jerk him off with my hand. 570 00:35:47,847 --> 00:35:50,067 (tense music) 571 00:35:50,166 --> 00:35:50,907 - I'm sorry mom. 572 00:35:51,007 --> 00:35:53,366 (calm music) 573 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:19,419 - [Anne-Claire] So now you are ready 574 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,579 to submit your testimony to the justice, 575 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:23,617 to the French prosecutor? 576 00:36:23,718 --> 00:36:25,177 - Oh, absolutely. 577 00:36:25,278 --> 00:36:27,217 Anyone who wants to hear it, if it helps, 578 00:36:27,317 --> 00:36:29,376 I'm so willing to come there to do whatever. 579 00:36:29,477 --> 00:36:31,536 - Okay. I will mention that to the judge. 580 00:36:31,635 --> 00:36:33,616 When I will submit your testimony, 581 00:36:33,715 --> 00:36:35,414 I will also let him know that 582 00:36:35,515 --> 00:36:39,773 you are ready to come to testify here in Paris. 583 00:36:39,874 --> 00:36:40,693 - That'd be fabulous. 584 00:36:40,794 --> 00:36:42,373 I hope we can get a bunch of women 585 00:36:42,472 --> 00:36:45,613 who've been hurt by Jean-Luc to do this. Yeah. 586 00:36:45,713 --> 00:36:47,052 - Okay. Bye Marianne. 587 00:36:47,152 --> 00:36:48,092 - All right. Au revoir. 588 00:36:48,192 --> 00:36:50,191 Bye-bye. 589 00:36:50,871 --> 00:36:52,871 - Wow. 590 00:36:53,191 --> 00:36:54,090 - Whew, man, she sounds amazing. 591 00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:55,849 - I never heard all those details. 592 00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:57,949 - I know. I'm sorry. 593 00:36:58,628 --> 00:37:02,688 - That's okay, you don't have to be sorry about it. 594 00:37:02,788 --> 00:37:05,168 I'm very proud that you can sit there and talk of it 595 00:37:05,268 --> 00:37:07,527 so openly, that takes guts. 596 00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,247 - Thank you. 597 00:37:09,347 --> 00:37:12,566 I feel incredibly supported and heard. 598 00:37:12,666 --> 00:37:15,204 And I also feel it's still affecting me, 599 00:37:15,305 --> 00:37:18,923 this horrible situation with him. 600 00:37:19,023 --> 00:37:21,923 I don't care about this statute of limitations thing. 601 00:37:22,023 --> 00:37:24,363 The trauma is there. It's very real. 602 00:37:24,463 --> 00:37:26,862 (calm music) 603 00:37:45,297 --> 00:37:49,996 I heard that John-Luc Brunel had died in his cell. 604 00:37:50,096 --> 00:37:54,515 I just sat there and went, "You've got to be kidding. 605 00:37:54,615 --> 00:37:56,614 This can't be happening." 606 00:37:57,054 --> 00:37:58,874 And I felt like all this time, 607 00:37:58,974 --> 00:38:01,233 the 14 months or so that he's been in jail, 608 00:38:01,333 --> 00:38:03,873 there was hope, there was a possibility. 609 00:38:03,972 --> 00:38:07,751 And then it completely just slammed the lid on that. 610 00:38:07,852 --> 00:38:10,151 And I was shocked at first. 611 00:38:10,251 --> 00:38:14,190 And then as the day wore on, I was super angry. 612 00:38:14,289 --> 00:38:16,389 I had buried it for so many years 613 00:38:16,489 --> 00:38:19,748 and then opening up that file again and bringing it out 614 00:38:19,847 --> 00:38:21,548 and then having to feel all those feelings 615 00:38:21,648 --> 00:38:25,307 and then having the hope of him standing trial 616 00:38:25,407 --> 00:38:27,666 was like, yes. 617 00:38:27,766 --> 00:38:29,786 And if he could get convicted 618 00:38:29,885 --> 00:38:31,985 and maybe there's a possibility of him 619 00:38:32,085 --> 00:38:34,144 even admitting some wrongdoing, 620 00:38:34,244 --> 00:38:36,923 how healing that would be for so many people 621 00:38:38,084 --> 00:38:39,823 and then have it just go, puh! 622 00:38:39,923 --> 00:38:41,823 And not possible. 623 00:38:41,923 --> 00:38:44,442 (tense music) 624 00:38:45,481 --> 00:38:48,221 Now that this tragedy happened with Jean-Luc Brunel 625 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,860 and we were denied an opportunity to go to court. 626 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,300 It's even more imperative than ever before 627 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,459 that the Gerald Marie case goes to court. 628 00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,159 (upbeat music) 629 00:39:00,157 --> 00:39:03,217 - For the first Gerald Marie "Guardian" investigation, 630 00:39:03,317 --> 00:39:05,456 I spoke to Linda Evangelista, 631 00:39:05,557 --> 00:39:06,976 who was speaking for the first time 632 00:39:07,076 --> 00:39:09,235 about her ex-husband Gerald Marie. 633 00:39:10,315 --> 00:39:11,575 And she said, 634 00:39:11,675 --> 00:39:13,375 "I believe these women are telling the truth 635 00:39:13,474 --> 00:39:15,494 based on my own experiences." 636 00:39:15,594 --> 00:39:16,534 We quote her saying, 637 00:39:16,634 --> 00:39:18,693 "During my relationship with Gerald Marie, 638 00:39:18,793 --> 00:39:21,093 I knew nothing of these sexual allegations against him. 639 00:39:21,193 --> 00:39:23,132 So I was unable to help these women. 640 00:39:23,231 --> 00:39:24,652 But I admire their courage and strength 641 00:39:24,751 --> 00:39:26,751 for speaking up today." 642 00:39:27,751 --> 00:39:30,289 - [Carre] Linda Evangelista came forward to support us, 643 00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:32,550 and I am incredibly relieved for that. 644 00:39:35,509 --> 00:39:37,327 - There have been super models who have come forward, 645 00:39:37,427 --> 00:39:40,308 speaking out in supportive Carre Otis and the other women. 646 00:39:42,267 --> 00:39:45,646 Seeing big names like Carla Bruni, Paulina Porizkova, 647 00:39:45,746 --> 00:39:48,166 and Karen Elson, putting their names to this. 648 00:39:48,266 --> 00:39:49,365 I think it's symbolic 649 00:39:49,465 --> 00:39:52,385 and hopefully it's the start of something more. 650 00:39:54,184 --> 00:39:57,623 - Finally, the conversation is being had. 651 00:39:58,663 --> 00:40:00,762 For decades, I've been speaking out 652 00:40:00,862 --> 00:40:03,162 trying to prevent sexual trauma 653 00:40:03,262 --> 00:40:06,041 by empowering people with awareness. 654 00:40:06,141 --> 00:40:08,780 And I was alone until now. 655 00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:52,568 - This is a culture that has created an atmosphere 656 00:40:53,529 --> 00:40:57,188 in which these things are allowed to develop, take root 657 00:40:57,288 --> 00:41:00,706 and blossom, and it's not going away. 658 00:41:00,807 --> 00:41:02,666 It's gotten a little bit better 659 00:41:02,767 --> 00:41:05,546 and hopefully it will continue to get better. 660 00:41:05,646 --> 00:41:08,325 (hopeful music) 661 00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:55,373 - Over the last year, 662 00:41:55,472 --> 00:41:57,731 the Model Alliance has been supporting survivors 663 00:41:57,831 --> 00:41:59,652 of Gerald Marie. 664 00:41:59,751 --> 00:42:02,651 While Marie's abuse has long been an open secret 665 00:42:02,751 --> 00:42:04,131 in the modeling industry, 666 00:42:04,231 --> 00:42:08,289 he has largely evaded any responsibility for his actions. 667 00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:10,389 That changes today. 668 00:42:11,189 --> 00:42:14,048 - It is really surreal to be back in Paris. 669 00:42:14,148 --> 00:42:19,146 It is roughly 30 years ago that this photo was taken of me. 670 00:42:20,067 --> 00:42:22,166 This was my first French "ELLE" cover. 671 00:42:22,266 --> 00:42:27,265 I was 17 years old and I remember it vividly. 672 00:42:27,865 --> 00:42:30,164 And at the same time the photo was taken, 673 00:42:30,264 --> 00:42:32,702 Gerald Marie had started to sexually assault me. 674 00:42:34,583 --> 00:42:38,322 I was dependent on Marie for my food, 675 00:42:38,422 --> 00:42:41,161 for my housing and for my employment. 676 00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:45,840 I was young, alone, and in a foreign country with no family 677 00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:48,239 or support system for me. 678 00:42:48,338 --> 00:42:50,079 I knew I had to endure the abuse 679 00:42:50,179 --> 00:42:51,719 in order to continue working. 680 00:42:51,818 --> 00:42:53,818 That was made very clear to me. 681 00:42:54,538 --> 00:42:56,517 The industry that enabled my abuse 682 00:42:56,617 --> 00:42:59,876 and let men pay for access to women 683 00:42:59,976 --> 00:43:02,296 is still the same industry today. 684 00:43:04,695 --> 00:43:06,555 That's why being here in France 685 00:43:06,655 --> 00:43:10,854 and testifying to the French police with these women 686 00:43:14,492 --> 00:43:15,231 (sniffles) 687 00:43:15,331 --> 00:43:17,331 is so meaningful. 688 00:43:17,731 --> 00:43:22,231 Naming him sends a signal to other women 689 00:43:22,331 --> 00:43:24,150 who may be suffering, 690 00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:25,910 that you're not alone, 691 00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:28,009 and we are here for you. 692 00:43:31,248 --> 00:43:33,668 We're doing this in support of other survivors 693 00:43:33,768 --> 00:43:36,626 and also an invitation for anyone 694 00:43:36,727 --> 00:43:39,866 who is within the statute of limitations. 695 00:43:39,965 --> 00:43:41,965 Please join us. We're here for you. 696 00:43:46,005 --> 00:43:49,204 (indistinct chatters) 697 00:43:51,242 --> 00:43:52,702 This is what I've been waiting to do 698 00:43:52,802 --> 00:43:56,782 to be able to show up and have my story heard. 699 00:43:56,882 --> 00:44:01,260 I mean, it took until now for people to listen 700 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,140 and talk about it. 701 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,380 And now I'm standing with all these amazing women 702 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,999 who are able to talk about it, and it's just huge. 703 00:44:10,198 --> 00:44:12,657 - [Shawna] The hope is not only justice, 704 00:44:12,758 --> 00:44:14,896 but it's a healing process for us personally, 705 00:44:14,997 --> 00:44:18,096 but it's also a good opportunity to help others come forward 706 00:44:18,195 --> 00:44:21,575 and to help others realize that they're not alone. 707 00:44:21,675 --> 00:44:25,634 - It feels actually really nice to be heard. 708 00:44:26,474 --> 00:44:30,992 That my story, on some level maybe will make a difference. 709 00:44:33,432 --> 00:44:37,050 - What Gerald Marie did to me was horrible 710 00:44:37,151 --> 00:44:39,171 and what a lot of other people did to me 711 00:44:39,271 --> 00:44:43,690 because they looked the other way is equally as horrible. 712 00:44:43,789 --> 00:44:47,929 So for me, this really is about 713 00:44:48,029 --> 00:44:50,968 sparking a greater conversation 714 00:44:51,068 --> 00:44:54,646 so that we can start to address these issues 715 00:44:54,747 --> 00:44:56,206 and see change. 716 00:44:56,307 --> 00:44:58,706 (calm music)