1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,360 This programme contains strong language, scenes of graphic movie 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,200 violence and discussions of a sexual nature that some viewers may find distressing 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,240 The very first scene of Netflix's House of Cards just blew me away. 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,280 TYRES SCREECHING 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,600 CRASH 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,120 There's this crash and Kevin's character, 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,920 he's this powerful politician. 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,760 He just runs outside of his house to see what happened. 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,200 DOG WHINING AND YELPING 10 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:27,080 Sh. 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,320 There are two kinds of pain... 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,560 The sort of pain that makes you strong, or useless pain. 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,000 Sort of pain that's only suffering. 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,720 I have no patience for useless things. 15 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,360 DOG YELPS 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,080 It gives me goose bumps every time I watch it. 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,200 His acting in the scene is incredible, and when I got 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,440 the call that I was going to be on the show, I thought, "Oh, my God." 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,480 I was 23 years old when I started House of Cards. 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,920 I was young, I was naive, and I got a great opportunity. 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,200 I was like, if I get to work with Kevin Spacey, 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,400 like, that is...that is awesome, that is so cool. 23 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,720 Fortunately, I was lucky enough to be part of Underwood's Secret 24 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,680 Service, so that was Kevin Spacey's detail. 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,040 He would crack a couple jokes and I would laugh. 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,720 He was a very funny guy. 27 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,280 I told him I had a girlfriend. 28 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:25,480 He told me that he loved jazz music and I just thought 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,640 he was very friendly, outgoing. 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,560 I absolutely was still intimidated... 31 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,320 ..with, uh, the way that he carried himself. 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,360 I mean, the value of that one person can have 33 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,480 and just to see that person walking around, he's worth millions. 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,000 Every now and then, they'd let us know that there's a speaking role 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,720 for a Secret Service agent. 36 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,520 I was honoured to be chosen. 37 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,440 My whole body's tingling. 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,840 I can feel that I'm sweating. 39 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,560 I'm thinking, "This is my time, this is my moment." 40 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,840 They said, "Action." 41 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,320 What if we don't send ships? Just make a strong statement... 42 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,040 I came in, I walked up to him. 43 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,200 We still have to offer the Chinese an incentive to... 44 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,040 I whisper in his ear and he gave me this look like, "Oh, my God." 45 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,560 ..contingency plans in place. 46 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:10,800 Already drafted. 47 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,640 And then we just walked off set together. 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,800 We do this little U-turn, and then we're on the other side 49 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,920 of the set and it's just me and him. 50 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,600 I leaned in because he was saying something to me, and then I felt 51 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:26,080 something like something tickled me just right below my zipper. 52 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,160 And I was like, "What?" 53 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,000 I looked down and I see it's his finger. 54 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,600 You know, his hand touched my penis. 55 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,880 Wasn't like us playing around in the locker room, 56 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:41,440 a little joke or a little tap. 57 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,720 It was...it was sexual. 58 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,040 I was touched, I was inappropriately touched on set at work. 59 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,520 He just had these real dead eyes looking at me, and I just felt 60 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,640 like I was staring into, like, a soulless...monster. 61 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,320 And I'm just kind of, like, in shock, like, "Wait, what? 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,640 "That's not cool." 63 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,400 You know, you hear, "Cut," and then boom, reset. 64 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,640 Go right-back to doing the scenes again. 65 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,720 I remember feeling this overwhelming sense of guilt 66 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,720 because I just felt like it was my fault. 67 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,720 And I just felt so, like, disgusted with myself. 68 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,200 That was the greatest day, you know, on set for me. 69 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,880 And it very quickly turned sour when I realised, like, 70 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,520 if I potentially have to keep working with this guy and I get 71 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,240 more lines, is this something that I'm going to experience 72 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,440 on a regular basis, and what power do I have? 73 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,000 The Oscar-winning actor Kevin Spacey has appeared in court in London, 74 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,720 accused of sexual offences against four men 75 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,240 between 2001 and 2013. 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,800 The prosecutor claimed the Hollywood actor was a sexual bully. 77 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,040 Kevin Spacey has told a court in London that he is a big flirt, 78 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,640 but he denied behaving aggressively. 79 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,560 The actor broke down in tears as he was cleared 80 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,560 of all nine charges. 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,280 I would like to say that I'm enormously grateful to the jury 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,280 for having taken the time to examine all of the evidence, 83 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,560 and I am humbled by the outcome today. 84 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,880 The star leaves court an innocent man. 85 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,160 He will hope he can resume a career that reached the highest levels. 86 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,520 I was dancing with the devil. 87 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,800 I wouldn't see it as anything criminal. 88 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:55,240 I just did think it was just kind of, like, disgusting behaviour 89 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:57,760 from a professional to have on set. 90 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,560 It was cold in a way that almost was inhuman. 91 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,120 Men aren't supposed to let this get under their skin. 92 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,400 So I went to Chatsworth High School with Kevin. 93 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,120 I would have been 16, 17 at the time. 94 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,800 It was all about, "I can do this, I can do this to you. 95 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:37,680 "I'm Kevin Spacey." 96 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,080 I'm lost. 97 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,320 I have no idea where I am. 98 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,800 I really don't. 99 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:05,360 Ha! 100 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Yeah, this place has changed a lot. 101 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,800 And then there it is, Sunny Brae Avenue. 102 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,200 This is the house in Canoga Park where my brother 103 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,160 Kevin and I lived. 104 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,360 Yeah, there is the old bedroom window. 105 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,880 This is baby Kevin and myself dressed up in a sailor's outfit. 106 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,920 From that young age, we had a real bond as brothers. 107 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,960 You know, we used to play outside and just run 108 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,920 around with the neighbours. 109 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,880 We used to play in the fields and hide in the grass 110 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,760 and play kick the can. 111 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,720 Those are some really fond memories. 112 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:27,120 My father, he blamed the world for all of his problems. 113 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,680 And he was full of so much hatred and... 114 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,560 ..he said that the Holocaust never happened. 115 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,120 He used to have these Nazi meetings at the house. 116 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,560 In my father's office, he used to have a big Nazi flag 117 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,480 hanging up on the wall. 118 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,200 My father had a riding crop. 119 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,640 And he used to beat the shit out of me. 120 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,560 Looking at it from my brother's perspective, all he saw was Randy 121 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,520 got into trouble a lot and he would just split. 122 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,600 I never saw my father ever lay a hand on my brother, ever. 123 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,520 But Kevin didn't have a normal childhood. 124 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:29,640 He just found a way to survive in an environment 125 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,880 that was not a loving family. 126 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:43,760 And I think acting was a way for him to escape where he came from. 127 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:11,320 You make a decision that you don't need to graduate from Juilliard. 128 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,240 You'll just take your life into your own hands, right? 129 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,120 After two years. Yeah. Yeah. 130 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,880 Although I do believe that if I hadn't left, 131 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,560 they probably would have asked me to leave about four days later. 132 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,160 I had no prospects, I had no agent, I had no money. 133 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,600 But I thought I was ready to start. 134 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,600 This is a Teenage Idol cattle call. 135 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,080 Why do you want to be a Teenage Idol? 136 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,240 I want to act very badly, and that's just a... It's part of it, you know? 137 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,360 It's like I do an impression of Johnny Carson, 138 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,240 it's not really what I do. 139 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,320 This was 1981. 140 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,360 I was working at the Public Theatre. 141 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,800 It was a wonderful time in my life. 142 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,800 Being in New York post college, I was comfortably out 143 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,480 of the closet for the first time. 144 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,760 I had a boyfriend, and I just sort of felt like New York 145 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,160 was in front of me. 146 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,800 Kevin was around the theatre a lot. 147 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,760 He was doing Free Shakespeare in Central Park, 148 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,720 so there was a production that was in rehearsal. 149 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,800 I was a spear carrier in my very first Shakespeare job 150 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,240 as a professional in New York, out of Juilliard. 151 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,000 And I played a tavern person. 152 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,760 I played a guard, a spear carrier, and I think a rock. 153 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,400 And which was your finest? 154 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,320 I think the rock was. LAUGHTER 155 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,920 He was this presence, you know, very vague, vague presence. 156 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,680 But he came into the office to use the guest desk, 157 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,960 and that's how I encountered him. 158 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,600 I was on the phone and Kevin Spacey walked in. 159 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,920 He didn't acknowledge me, he didn't look at me. 160 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,800 And I finished up my call and hung up and looked over at him. 161 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,120 And he still wasn't acknowledging me, and I thought, 162 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,000 "I should say hello, shouldn't he say hello? 163 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,920 "Am I interrupting?" Or whatever. 164 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,000 So I stood up and then he stood up... 165 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,320 ..uh, and, uh... 166 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,280 ..began to approach and the... 167 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,440 There was nothing really odd about that, except for the abject 168 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,280 silence when he was standing and walking, 169 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,600 he was wearing a pair of pretty tight jeans. 170 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,480 He had a full scale erection. 171 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,800 And he kept approaching and came in front of me and pulled me 172 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,520 up onto the desk. 173 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:37,360 So I lost my balance, went back on the desk and he was on top of me 174 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,120 and he's pressing against me. 175 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,440 It was just completely out of the blue and completely wordless. 176 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,840 Angry. 177 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:50,000 There was no eye contact. 178 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,920 There was nothing but force, physical force. 179 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,760 And I'm pushing him off, saying, "Get off me, 180 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,400 "this is my office." 181 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,160 And he persisted before I was able to push him enough 182 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,600 that he rolled off. 183 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,000 He stood back up. 184 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,680 He grabbed his coat and he stormed out of the office, 185 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,280 slamming the door behind him. 186 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,880 I sat in my office for I don't know how long, and I was shaking. 187 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,200 It was cold in a way that almost was inhuman. 188 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,120 I was really scared. 189 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,160 I never told my boyfriend of the time. 190 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:39,480 I never felt I could tell or should tell anybody. 191 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:42,480 It was something I needed to bury. 192 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,920 I had to watch his career blossom and now he's gaining 193 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,440 even more power. 194 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,160 If he could do that to me back when he had no power, 195 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,040 what's he going to do with that now? 196 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,800 What's he going to do with that anger? 197 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,160 I sort of thought, well, most of the actors I admired 198 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,720 really made their marks in theatre. 199 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,360 And then Hollywood came knocking. 200 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,720 So I thought, well, let me just try to do that. 201 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,520 Kevin Spacey kind of erupted in the '90s into being 202 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:24,480 this huge star, super fast. 203 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,080 How many films released in 1995? 204 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,000 Uh, four, Outbreak. Outbreak. 205 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,480 That was the first and Swimming with Sharks. 206 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,040 The Usual Suspects. Usual Suspects. 207 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,080 And a little film we did called Seven. 208 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,400 I mean, does it get any better than '95? 209 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,160 I'm an entertainment journalist. 210 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,480 Part of what I do now is more investigative in nature. 211 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,440 So, you know, in the '90s, there were a few examples 212 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,120 of Kevin Spacey bringing a woman with him to certain events. 213 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,080 There was no such thing as an out gay actor 214 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,840 at the level of Kevin Spacey. 215 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,240 Closest you could get was Rupert Everett, who looked stunningly 216 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,240 handsome and, by all rights, should have had a very robust career. 217 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,800 But he didn't. 218 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,080 Ellen DeGeneres came out in '97, you know, 219 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,760 in real life and on her sitcom. 220 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,040 For several years, her career kind of bottomed out 221 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,120 and she could not get much work. 222 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,000 And again, that was seen as an 223 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,240 example of why maybe coming out 224 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,680 at that level was not a good career move. 225 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,600 Besides, it was fun. 226 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,680 I got to make like I was notorious. 227 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,440 The Usual Suspects really launched Kevin Spacey as an actor in a way 228 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,040 that is hard to describe for somebody who wasn't 229 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,200 necessarily alive at the time. 230 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,600 There was this whole campaign about who is Keyser Soze, 231 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,680 this mythic gangster? 232 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,600 ..burns down the houses they live in. 233 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,800 And because the entire movie hinges on your ability to buy 234 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,280 into Kevin Spacey's performance at every moment, that really launched 235 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:03,720 Kevin Spacey as this actor who an audience couldn't ever quite trust 236 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,400 but always wanted to watch. 237 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:13,480 So, when Kevin Spacey won his first Oscar for The Usual Suspects... 238 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:19,040 And the Oscar is presented to Kevin Spacey in The Usual Suspects. 239 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,560 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 240 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,160 Well, whoever Keyser Soze is, I can tell you he's going to get 241 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,000 gloriously drunk tonight. 242 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,920 It really was an announcement for Kevin Spacey 243 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,360 as really having reached a sort of new pinnacle in the industry. 244 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,680 In 1998, Kevin's cool, kind of punk rock. 245 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,000 I'd come from a job working for George Lucas in post-production, 246 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,480 and the last film I worked on was Saving Private Ryan. 247 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,600 A friend of mine was in town, he was a singer of 248 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,920 a pretty big band, and we ended up going to The Viper Room that night. 249 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,520 Kevin Spacey's there, he wants to meet the band. 250 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:09,240 So, of course, I was over the moon to meet him, you know? 251 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,320 To me, he was just on such a pedestal. 252 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,440 I'm not going to lie, I was starstruck. 253 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,720 Like, we just boom, like, hit it off. 254 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,880 Like off to the races. 255 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,200 I was telling him about I went to film school 256 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,040 after I got out of the Marine Corps. 257 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,640 And, you know, I was kind of throwing my hat 258 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,440 in the ring as an actor. 259 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,640 You know, he wanted to get my headshot and resume 260 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,880 and that we should potentially work together. 261 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,360 It felt amazing to have somebody in the industry talk to me like that, 262 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,120 somebody that's going to take you under their wing. 263 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,680 I was like, I can't even believe this. 264 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,200 Like, I'm a nobody. 265 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,280 So we leave The Viper Room and, you know, we just transferred 266 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,160 the whole party to this big fancy house in the Hollywood Hills. 267 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,360 Kevin came up to me at one point and he said, "Hey, there's 268 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,640 "a great home theatre in this house, and you should check it out." 269 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:10,480 So I go with him upstairs, and that's when things... 270 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,040 I started to feel the energy shift a little bit. 271 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,600 And, uh, and he was like, "Can I have a hug?" 272 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,600 I was like, "Huh, OK." 273 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,160 I guess that's an LA thing. 274 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,240 I did not know at that point that he was gay. 275 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:33,200 So I kind of go into, you know, give him a quick bro hug and, uh, 276 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:39,720 and he just, you know, gets me in this bear grip and he's kind of, 277 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:46,920 you know, rubbing his, his whiskery face in my neck and, um, you know, 278 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,760 kind of grinding into me, like, humping me. 279 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,600 Just like, "Hey, whoa, man, like, you met my girlfriend." 280 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,920 Like, you know, "You know, she's downstairs, like, 281 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,520 "that's not cool." 282 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,320 And he's like, "No, no, no, it's OK, it's fine, you're OK. 283 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:06,880 "You're good, don't freak out." 284 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,000 I was like, "Dude, you know, I was a marine, right?" 285 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,000 And he goes, "Yeah, that's half the attraction." 286 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,200 I remember going down those stairs and, like, being kind of shaky, 287 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,880 you know, on my feet. 288 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,640 My heart was racing, full-on adrenaline dump. 289 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,720 I've thought about what he meant by saying, "It's OK," a lot 290 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:33,280 over the years, because it is a strange sort of thing 291 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,520 to say in a moment like that. 292 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,320 Is he talking to me? Is he talking to himself? 293 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,160 Did this happen to him at some point in his life? 294 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,640 And he's sort of - like, that's what the person said to him? 295 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:53,000 Shush him and soothe him over by using those words. 296 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:58,440 We have gotten so into a kind of confessional in the last ten years 297 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,320 of everybody sort of coming out and talking about their lives, 298 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,920 I think it's, um, for me, it's not something 299 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,880 I'm interested in doing and not a line that I will ever cross. 300 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,480 I haven't done a lot of publicity. 301 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,160 I've kept it very close to my chest, and that's important. 302 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,040 I was just kind of nursing a hangover and the phone rings 303 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,920 like, "Hello, Scotter?" 304 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,400 Scotter? 305 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,280 And I recognise the voice, "Kevin?" 306 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,760 He's like, "We should get together and I'll get 307 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,720 "your headshot and resume." 308 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,040 You know, this wasn't just some guy, this was Kevin freaking Spacey. 309 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,800 And you do it happily, uh, with joy in your heart. 310 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,360 "Thank you, God!" 311 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,040 Like, he really does care about my career. 312 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:43,320 And there he was, standing on the corner. 313 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:46,520 Right on that corner there's a movie theatre, 314 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,600 and, um, Saving Private Ryan happened to be playing. 315 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,560 So he's like, "Hey, your movie, we should go see it." 316 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:59,000 So I had this intuition that this thing could go sideways 317 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,160 in a myriad of ways, but I also still was very much 318 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,640 under the impression that I was in control. 319 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,480 Kevin grabbed a seat, like, way up high, very hidden, very private. 320 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,440 And I'm watching the movie. 321 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,960 The first 20 minutes of the invasion of Normandy. 322 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 Like, it's shockingly, you know, horrific. 323 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,480 There's a guy picking up his arm and people are on fire, and people 324 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,760 are just dying in really the most horrible ways 325 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,000 you can die, like. 326 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,720 RAPID GUNFIRE 327 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,440 SHOUTS AND SCREAMS ON MOBILE 328 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,040 All of a sudden, there's some activity happening next to me 329 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,720 and kind of glance over and... 330 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,520 ..Kevin's just pleasuring himself. 331 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:01,080 You know, some of the most horrific war footage ever recreated. 332 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:05,000 Like, there's no way that this is happening, 333 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:10,480 that this guy is rubbing one out during the invasion of Normandy. 334 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,960 And finally he reaches over and grabs my hand, 335 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,000 and tries to get me to...to help out. 336 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,440 I was like, "No! This is crazy!" 337 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,440 Every single guy you tell this story to 338 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,120 tells you a whole story, right, of what they would have done. 339 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,080 "Oh, I would have punched him in the face, 340 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:33,800 "and I would have kicked him, and I..." 341 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,360 And I'm like, "No. Actually, no. No, you wouldn't have." 342 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Guys like myself, like, you just really don't find yourself 343 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,680 in those situations. 344 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,720 So, it's so shocking. And, I can only speak for myself, 345 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,360 but your first reaction is not violence. 346 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,080 It's... You feel like you did something wrong, 347 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:55,720 you brought it on to yourself and... 348 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,760 ..you feel shame. 349 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,360 HE SIGHS 350 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,160 Here's my mother and father, and Kevin. 351 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,600 And Kevin's got a face that's like, "Eeeh!" 352 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,400 The house was creepy. 353 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,160 It was cold. 354 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,720 It was violent. 355 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,800 So, I think for both me and Kevin, 356 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,280 any time we could get out of the house, 357 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,960 we were out of there. 358 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,600 I think that my outfits that I wear, 359 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,040 and that I have been wearing... 360 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,400 ..for the last 50 years are like costumes. 361 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:00,200 It makes me feel comfortable and... 362 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,400 ..accepted. 363 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:11,280 Another way to mask my internal pain and suffering 364 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,280 that I was going through psychologically. 365 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,480 That if I look different and I dress different... 366 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,240 ..maybe people would never be able to find out 367 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,920 about my dark secret, and maybe they would treat me better. 368 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:31,960 And it takes me farther and farther away from where I came from. 369 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,760 And that...that makes me happy. 370 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,680 I remember my favourite class at Juilliard was mask class, 371 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,920 and when you put a mask on your face 372 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,640 and stand in front of a mirror, 373 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,600 you suddenly don't see yourself. 374 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,160 You see something else, 375 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,200 and suddenly you become free. 376 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,320 It was so revealing to hear him hint 377 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:57,600 that his acting in some ways served 378 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,560 the same purpose as my costumes. 379 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,200 I started getting phone calls from Kevin. 380 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,000 You know, they were never like, "Hey, come in for a casting," 381 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,040 or anything like that. 382 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,320 It was always sort of like, "Hey, pack your stuff, 383 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,080 "we're going to Maui. 384 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,880 "I have a room booked for us. 385 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,400 "I'm at LAX right now. I'm waiting for you. 386 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,320 "I'm at the Beverly Hills Hotel, sitting in front of a fire, 387 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,960 "petting my black lab." 388 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,920 Didn't return any of those. 389 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,440 And then, finally, he got me. 390 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,400 He calls and he's like, "Hey, Bruce Willis is having a party tonight. 391 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,280 "There's people there I want to introduce you to." 392 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,720 And I'm like, "Oh, freaking Die Hard! 393 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,160 "Oh, my God! 394 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,520 "Ah, I want to meet Bruce!" 395 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,560 So, I go to the hotel, 396 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,520 I go up in the elevator. 397 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,720 The TV's on 398 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,720 and, at one point, he turns the volume off, 399 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,960 and it's like two characters talking the scene, 400 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,360 and he starts doing the voices of the characters and accents. 401 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,640 And it's the funniest thing. 402 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,800 Like, I'm rolling. 403 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,080 Like, it's hilarious. 404 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:17,920 Of course, time is passing, 405 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,240 and I'm, like, "When are we going to the party?" 406 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,880 And this was when he started sort of letting me know, you know, 407 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,080 in no uncertain terms, that there's a glass ceiling in Hollywood. 408 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,440 He was moving around in the back and rubbing my shoulders, 409 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,920 and, you know... 410 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,840 And...if you don't pay the toll, 411 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,560 you know, your sexual favours, 412 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,560 you know, you'll...you'll have a...you'll have a decent career, 413 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,560 but you're not going to have your name in lights, kind of thing. 414 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,160 It really affected me on a level that I never could have seen coming. 415 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,040 The betrayal aspect of thinking that 416 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,360 somebody thought you had something to offer the industry, 417 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,800 and that you... 418 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,000 ..were a person of value. 419 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,200 There is a humiliation that goes along with...with being 420 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,400 sort of treated like that, objectified like that. 421 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,080 You're being looked at as an object, 422 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,320 um, that you have nothing else to offer the world. 423 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:26,120 And I hope that people can...can look at this and say, 424 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,360 "Well, you know, that guy, if he can tell his story 425 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,000 "and, you know, he kind of seems like maybe he's this tough guy 426 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,840 "that...that can handle a lot. 427 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,880 "But if...if he can show this level of vulnerability, 428 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,080 "you know, maybe I can, too." 429 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:48,960 And that would be a good first place to start healing. 430 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,840 Fuck! 431 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,200 HE SIGHS 432 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,720 Goddamn it! 433 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,480 Fuck. 434 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,360 HE BREATHES SHAKILY 435 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,600 Sorry. 436 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,920 HE CLEARS HIS THROAT 437 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,920 Well, that's what I wanted to avoid. 438 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,600 HE CHUCKLES 439 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:30,640 I don't want this to be a fucking victim thing. 440 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,280 You know? 441 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,120 HE CLEARS HIS THROAT AND SNIFFS 442 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,640 I, er... No, it's important to me. 443 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,680 Strength is important to me. 444 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,640 It has been my whole life. 445 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,160 Men aren't supposed to let this get under their skin. 446 00:27:58,360 --> 00:27:59,920 REPORTER: At age 40, 447 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,600 he's anything but your typical movie star. 448 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,880 SPACEY: It's also quite anonymous 449 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,360 because people don't look at the person on the scooter, 450 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,680 they look at the scooter. 451 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,560 You don't want anybody to see behind the mask of Kevin Spacey? 452 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,040 I've always believed that the longer an actor remains in the shadows, 453 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,600 then the characters emerge. 454 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,600 I think there was at least a contingent of people 455 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,400 in the industry who had a tacit understanding 456 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,960 that Kevin Spacey was actually gay 457 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,880 or, at the very least, bisexual. 458 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,880 Kevin Spacey was asked a couple times about it 459 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,560 where he basically said, "It's just something I will never discuss." 460 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,880 And then there was a profile in Esquire magazine, 461 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,560 with the headline, "Kevin Spacey has a secret." 462 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,040 At the time, 463 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,800 that was seen as outing him. 464 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,800 His team was furious about that piece and 465 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,480 sort of considered it an invasion of privacy. 466 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,120 I think when you get into the world of entertainment 467 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,400 and entertainers who are closeted, 468 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,400 the idea of outing them as some sort of public good 469 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,800 just doesn't really stand up to me. 470 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:37,080 I think where things get tricky is when an LGBTQ person is behaving 471 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240 in such a way that causes harm 472 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,040 or hardship to other people. 473 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,240 So, I was in all the school plays 474 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,080 and musicals and drama camp. 475 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,200 I was the drama nerd, for sure, 476 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,080 and then wanted to come out to Los Angeles, 477 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,200 but it was too far for my mom. 478 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,920 So I ended up in New York 479 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,560 on this internship on The Big Kahuna. 480 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,640 It was the only time I worked in a production where I was not paid. 481 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,200 And it was almost like it was like an honour to work 482 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,880 on a Kevin Spacey movie. 483 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,840 So, everybody was bowing to him. 484 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,440 I mean, he was running the show. 485 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,640 The first time he approached me, he kidnapped me. 486 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,080 He said, "I'm kidnapping you 487 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,200 "up to my dressing room to run lines with me." 488 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,480 Getting to run lines with him felt like this is a dream come true. 489 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,680 By the second week, he would kidnap me off set to run lines, 490 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,480 and he would just have the TV on and wouldn't be interested 491 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,160 in running any lines. And he would complain about a sore shoulder 492 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,080 and wanted me to rub his shoulder. 493 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,000 And then he'd be lying on his couch, 494 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,480 and he'd try to put my hand on his crotch. 495 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,240 He was clearly trying to get me to, like, do sexual things. 496 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,640 You know, touch me, and I would, you know, carefully move him away. 497 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,160 And I would always insert, like, 498 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,040 I had a long-term girlfriend at the time. 499 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,920 But, you know, it felt like a sexual conquest 500 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,760 that, because I was straight, it was more of a challenge, 501 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,080 and that, you know, it's the chase. 502 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,360 And that went on pretty much till the end of the shoot. 503 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,120 I remember hearing, "Well, yeah, everybody knows 504 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,360 "if you don't want to go home with Kevin, 505 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,600 "don't be the last guy in a bar with him." 506 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,720 And I guess, you know, I could have walked away at that point, 507 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,080 and I felt like, you know, I wanted to be in his good favour. 508 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,920 And if all that meant was rubbing his shoulders, I would do that. 509 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,720 On our last day of filming, we were in the bar drinking 510 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,720 and I get up to pee and he goes, 511 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,000 "Do you want to smoke some weed?" 512 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,560 I was like, "All right." And so he follows me into the bathroom. 513 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,000 He's in between me and the door, 514 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,240 and he just whips out his dick and shoves his tongue in my mouth, 515 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,680 and he wanted to finish. 516 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,040 And, um... 517 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,720 How am I going to get out of this? 518 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,000 That moment, somebody started banging on the bathroom door. 519 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,160 He got very nervous, zipped up his pants, bolted out of the bar. 520 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,680 I remember my mom saying 521 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,320 that I should call the National Enquirer 522 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,480 and, like, you know, blow the story. 523 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,320 And I remember telling her, like, "Mom, I'll never work in Hollywood 524 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,760 "if I do that." You know, like, "It'll ruin me!" 525 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,560 I was in shock for months. 526 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,800 But then I was like, "OK, so that's how Hollywood is." 527 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,920 REPORTER: Now Spacey is back with a new film called American Beauty. 528 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,840 The reviews, they're over the top. 529 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,840 Steven Spielberg says one of the best films he's seen in ten years. 530 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,160 It's why he wants to make movies. 531 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,960 Welcome back. Thank you. 532 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,440 I remember just being bowled over by that entire film. 533 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,320 And at its heart was this sort of everyman performance 534 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,920 by Kevin Spacey. 535 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,640 Lester, could you make me a little later, please, 536 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,280 because I'm not quite late enough? 537 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,440 A man who has the sort of sad sack suburban life, 538 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,560 and feels very beaten down, 539 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,120 and over the course of the movie, 540 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,720 kind of reclaims his own sense of self and his own sense of purpose. 541 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,200 CROWDS CHEER 542 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,480 PRESENTER: And the Oscar goes to 543 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,680 Kevin Spacey in American Beauty. 544 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,280 REPORTER: This is Kevin Spacey's second Academy Award. 545 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,480 He won an Oscar in 1995 546 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,480 for his supporting role in The Usual Suspects. 547 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,680 It really made clear, him winning those Oscars so close together, 548 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,960 just how meteoric a rise Kevin Spacey had had within the industry, 549 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,200 and I think with audiences in general. 550 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,280 To my friends, for pointing out my worst qualities... 551 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,640 ..I know you do it because you love me. 552 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,720 And that's why I loved playing Lester. 553 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,320 Because we got to see all of his worst qualities, 554 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,040 and we still grew to love him. 555 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,720 It's Kevin Spacey at full-tilt power mode. 556 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,520 He brings up his faults and all the people that have told him 557 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,200 about his faults, and that makes him a better person. 558 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:51,680 What is that about? 559 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,120 REPORTER: Travis Aaron Wade. 560 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,720 Yeah, I just finished a film last year with John Travolta. 561 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,280 I spent some time in the Marine Corps. 562 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,320 It felt very difficult to shake, getting back as a civilian. 563 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,080 My mom asked me a simple question. 564 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,120 What do you love? And I said, movies. 565 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,920 And I was at the Golden Globes, 566 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,920 all the glitz and the glam. 567 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,240 My publicist was great. 568 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,960 We, you know, we have the champagne in hand, 569 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,280 and she's like, "All right, so this is where you network. 570 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,840 And I look over and it's Kevin Spacey. 571 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,760 And he clearly was waving at me, like he knew me. 572 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,200 The walk to Kevin was slow motion. 573 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,560 You just felt like you were getting pulled in. 574 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,960 First thing he says to me is, 575 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,160 "Who are you?" 576 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,520 I said, "Oh, I'm Travis Wade." 577 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,760 And him and I just started laughing immediately. 578 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,640 And he goes, "Do you want to go outside and smoke a joint?" 579 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,880 If it was anybody else, 580 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,560 I would have been like, "Nah, I don't really smoke weed." 581 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,200 But now you're standing opposite of this actor 582 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,960 who at this point now is basically at the top of the game. 583 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,240 He was somewhat known as like the mayor of Hollywood. 584 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,440 And I remember it was that moment where there's a point 585 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,200 in American Beauty with Wes Bentley and him, 586 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:15,280 where they're out back smoking. 587 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,280 Well, my dad interferes less in my life when I pretend 588 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,520 to be an upstanding young citizen with a respectable job. 589 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,480 Lester. 590 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,840 I'm choking. 591 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,200 We're belly laughing. 592 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,640 We've got our hands on each other's shoulder. 593 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,320 Honey, this is Ricky Fitts. 594 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,920 This is Ricky Fitts... 595 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,480 And, literally, I just felt like I've just got a new best friend. 596 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,880 He looks at me and he's like, there's a party tonight. 597 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,480 It's at my hotel. 598 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,400 And you, 599 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,480 I would love to come as my guest. 600 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,240 I was really, at that point in my life, 601 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,000 looking for a mentor in the industry, 602 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,840 and I extremely trusted that I may have just found one. 603 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,520 He said, you know, come up around midnight. 604 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,720 And I go up to the top floor at the penthouse. 605 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,720 The door opens, and there he is. 606 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,840 It's Kevin. 607 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,880 He's in a bathrobe with a Scotch, with a joint. 608 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,360 There is nobody there but us. 609 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,480 And I go, "Uh, are you...? Are you sure people are coming?" 610 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,080 He goes, yeah, people come in, they come out. I'll let them in, 611 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,280 and the party gets going as the night goes on, 612 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,440 and sit, sit, sit, sit. 613 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,920 Then he started asking me questions about my career 614 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,800 and what I'd been working on, and I told him the projects that 615 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,800 I had booked and my experience and my military. 616 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,600 And he loved the fact that I was US Marine. 617 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,240 And I...I just remember looking at him. 618 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,040 In his eyes, there's a thing that just draws you into Kevin, 619 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,960 just like that snake from Jungle Book. 620 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,600 And I just remember just going, 621 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,560 "Like, listen, I probably should get going." 622 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,160 His face just went very straight. 623 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,400 He's like, "No. Stay." 624 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,160 And I said, "I'm not gay. I've never been with a man." 625 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,800 He goes, "Even better." 626 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,360 He goes, "Oh, darling, there's nothing like flipping. 627 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,160 "There's nothing like flipping a US Marine who looks like you. 628 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,680 "Come on, take your shirt off." 629 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,680 And I was like, "Oh, boy!" 630 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,560 It wasn't a fear that physically I was going to be raped. 631 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,320 It was more of a fear that if I don't leave here in a good light... 632 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,360 ..this could cost me my career. 633 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,160 He put his arm against the door, and he - krr - locked it. 634 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,600 And in that moment, I knew I was in a sell-your-soul situation... 635 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,000 ..because this was something that I did not want to do... 636 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,800 ..but it was something that I was considering doing 637 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,400 because of something that I wanted. 638 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,760 And he's got me and he's doing this on my shoulders. 639 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,800 He's like rubbing me, 640 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,600 but I'm holding him, and I'm holding him strong. 641 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,960 And he goes, "But you want to." I go, "No, I don't!" 642 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,880 And I grabbed his face, 643 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,760 and I planted the biggest fucking kiss right on his fucking lips. 644 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,800 Not tongue, not making out. 645 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,640 I went... KISSING SOUNDS "Agh!" 646 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,400 And I pushed his head back and I went, "I'm leaving." 647 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,440 And I got into the elevator and I immediately pulled out my phone 648 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,880 and I called my mom. 649 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,120 Think about, like, how many guys did it, 650 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,360 went through and compromised what they really wanted to do, 651 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,240 or who they were fundamentally... 652 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:25,280 ..and did it and got nothing out of it. 653 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,600 That's got to be even more... 654 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,760 Like, talk about just making you go... 655 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,480 ..off the Richter scale. 656 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,800 What had happened in that bathroom... 657 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,160 ..I felt like was leverage for me. 658 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,200 Like, "Hey, I didn't go to the Enquirer. 659 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,320 "I'm going to keep your secret, 660 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,400 "and you're going to help me make my career." 661 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,840 And he'd only gotten more famous. 662 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,960 CHEERING 663 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,600 He won the Oscar for American Beauty, 664 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,600 and I sent a fax congratulating him 665 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,520 with my cellphone number on it. 666 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,440 And that's when that second chapter occurred. 667 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,520 He invited me to the Soho Grand, where he was staying. 668 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,400 He spent, like, an hour grilling me 669 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,880 about whether I had been followed by... 670 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,600 This white van had been trying to get pictures of him 671 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,880 with younger guys, 672 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,120 and he was very, very paranoid 673 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,120 that I was working for the press. 674 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,320 At a certain point, 675 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,040 he kind of realised that I was telling the truth, 676 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,040 and I wasn't trying to, like, con him. 677 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,600 And that's when he put my hand on his crotch, 678 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,800 and he clearly wanted me to jerk him off. 679 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,840 I was frozen in shock, 680 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,360 so that stopped quickly, and he jerked himself off. 681 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,240 And I got up and washed my hands 682 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,800 and bolted out of that hotel room! 683 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,480 I left New York soon after that, 684 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,040 then moved out to Los Angeles. 685 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,440 I was broke. 686 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,000 I had spent the summer writing a script 687 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,400 I thought would be perfect for him to produce, 688 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,880 and so I reached out to him. 689 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,600 I had come to terms with, 690 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,280 "OK, I'm willing to do something uncomfortable 691 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,080 to get something out of it." 692 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,600 That began the sort of...the booty calls, you know, the late night, 693 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,200 "Hey, what are you doing?" 694 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,600 Which I kept sort of deflecting, deflecting, deflecting. 695 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,160 And finally, I took the call. 696 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,240 Yeah. And straight away he picked me up. 697 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,880 Pulled up his Porsche. 698 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,360 He was very stressed, 699 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,160 I would say, like, anxious. 700 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,800 You know, within minutes, he had whipped out his dick. 701 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,200 And I was like, "Well, I guess I'm going to try to give him head 702 00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,480 "and see if that works." 703 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,440 There was zero attraction or interest in me being sexual. 704 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,320 I mean, it felt like that was something that I had to do 705 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,480 to get to where I wanted to go. 706 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,440 I think that lasted about five to ten seconds. 707 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,280 I kind of just gagged. 708 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,680 Instead of him just stopping, 709 00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:24,600 he, you know, masturbated next to me in the car as he was driving. 710 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,400 And then as soon as he climaxed, 711 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,280 he, like, became this whole other person. 712 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,600 He was like this full-on entertainer, storyteller. 713 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,160 He wanted to keep driving around 714 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,640 and, like, talk to me for three hours 715 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,040 with, like, cum-stained pants. 716 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,760 But that whole night, he never once asked me anything about myself. 717 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,040 He never asked me about my script. 718 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,920 Every time I would try to bring it up, he didn't care. 719 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,000 And that's when it really hit me, like, there was no quid pro quo. 720 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,160 He was never offering me anything. 721 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,560 It was almost like I got to be in the graces of his company. 722 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,040 And that's your gift for letting me cum all over myself next to you. 723 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,320 I don't know if it was a few days later or whatever when he called, 724 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,240 and I was like, "You know what, Kevin? 725 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,920 "I'm sorry but, like, I like women. I'm not gay." 726 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,960 And he lost his shit and screaming on the phone like, 727 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,520 "I just needed a friend." 728 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:33,480 And clearly very upset that I was insinuating that he was gay. 729 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,560 It's one thing to be like, "Don't tell anybody." 730 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,720 It's another thing to be like, "I'm not gay." 731 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,400 You know what I mean? 732 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,440 Um... 733 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,280 And so I guess that made me just feel bad for him. 734 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,760 You know, it's like, "Wow, man, you really, you don't know yourself, 735 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,280 "and you can't be yourself. And that sucks." 736 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,440 I didn't think I'd ever see him again, 737 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,800 but where I was at - The Whisky Bar at the Sunset Marquis - 738 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120 lo and behold, who shows up? 739 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,880 And there's Kevin. 740 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,960 And he comes over and, you know, we all say hi, 741 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,760 and he said he wanted to talk to me. 742 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,120 So, as we're down at the end of the bar, there's the two gay guys - 743 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,240 not super flamboyant, but you could tell they were gay. 744 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:28,280 And Kevin notices them and he starts doing these voices for them 745 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,840 as if they're these over-the-top drag queens. 746 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,240 But kind of in a creepy way, like really shitty, making fun of them. 747 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,640 They were just regular guys having a drink. 748 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:56,960 It was shocking. 749 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,600 I'm like, "What the hell is going on here?" 750 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,960 "What's he doing?" 751 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,960 It was kind of my first indication... 752 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,800 ..that maybe he was uncomfortable in his own skin. 753 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,480 Some sort of inner self-hatred. 754 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,720 I think it...it speaks volumes 755 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,000 about how he feels about his own sexuality. 756 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,840 It's...it's a part of him that he doesn't like. 757 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,200 Success is both a fantastic thing 758 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:33,440 and a little dangerous, I think. 759 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,520 And so I think that one has to always try to keep success 760 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,120 a little bit at bay. 761 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,880 REPORTER: Another thing he's tried to keep at bay are questions 762 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,520 about his sexuality. 763 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,040 But questions about his sexuality would not go away. 764 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,440 So he decided he had to respond, 765 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,920 choosing the overtly heterosexual magazine Playboy 766 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,920 to publicly deny that he is gay. 767 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,840 So, do you have a girlfriend? 768 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,040 I... I... 769 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,320 Uh, I've been in a relationship for a while. Yeah. 770 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,880 With whom? 771 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,160 Um, her name is Diane. 772 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,160 I would never judge Kevin Spacey in terms of choosing 773 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,080 not to be a publicly out gay actor. 774 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,280 Well, being in the closet, for me, I can only really speak for me, 775 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,120 it's a very lonely place. 776 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,840 It's a very scary place. 777 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,840 It can be a very self-loathing place. 778 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,760 It is actively damaging to your ability 779 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,360 to have normal, healthy relationships. 780 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,440 Constantly being aware of your own behaviour and checking it, 781 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:51,080 and censoring it, and making sure that at no point are you slipping 782 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,200 or revealing who you are or how you're behaving. 783 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:59,880 It also does not in any way, nor should it, excuse abusive behaviour, 784 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,240 but it can illuminate our understanding for what's driving it. 785 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,360 I don't believe that because you're unhappy 786 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,480 with who you are that you can't come out, that you're ashamed of it, 787 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,760 whatever, that that in any way justifies the kind of aggression 788 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,200 that he was showing. 789 00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:27,600 Clearly, it was homosexual in nature, but so uncalled for. 790 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,120 Unnatural, inhuman. 791 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,400 Uh, no. 792 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,920 That shows somebody who's screaming for help. 793 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,520 For at least some of the people who were coming forward, 794 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,400 they didn't feel like they could make an allegation against 795 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:54,200 Kevin Spacey, because to do so would be tantamount to outing him. 796 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:59,720 And that gets to the pernicious nature of the closet. 797 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,720 Even just the first reaction when I told people that he was gay, 798 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,840 you'd be surprised how many people would tell me to my face 799 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,000 that, "No, he isn't gay," 800 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,720 that, "You have misunderstood or you misinterpreted." 801 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,680 So, I just thought, "You know what? I'm just gonna keep this to myself." 802 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:22,400 But Dawn, of all people, 803 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,600 could tell that something wasn't necessarily right. 804 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,720 So I was on the show, doing background. 805 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,560 I was part of Claire's Secret Service team. 806 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,960 I did, like, five seasons on the show, 807 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:41,160 and as each season progressed, things got tenser... 808 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,400 ..especially when you see 809 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,440 a hand in a position 810 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,280 that should not be there - 811 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,640 hand on the back, lower back, or a hand on the leg. 812 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,640 Women can tell when there's something off, 813 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,120 something going on that's not right. 814 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:05,320 But what really concerned me was when Daniel comes running over to us 815 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,120 and he says, "Dawn, you gotta hide me!" 816 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,040 "What's going on?" 817 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,400 "Kevin's after me." 818 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,440 "What?!" 819 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,280 I remember telling him how I love boxing. 820 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,640 You know, I was talking myself up like I'm this tough guy, 821 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,720 I'm this great boxer, this great fighter, 822 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,960 and he's not the least bit scared of me. 823 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,840 I felt that he actually had the power to break me down, 824 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,240 because of his role in the film 825 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,160 and his role as executive producer of House of Cards. 826 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,720 That terrified me. 827 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,520 Where is Daniel? Hey, Daniel. 828 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,280 Daniel! Oh, my God! 829 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,640 SHE LAUGHS 830 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,520 Oh, you...! Ooh, look at him! 831 00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,840 Oi! 832 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,880 That night when you came running over to us... Mm-hm. 833 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,360 ..it was like 834 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,840 something majorly bad had to happen for you to do that. Mm-hm. 835 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,960 So I called the union and I said, "You need to talk to Spacey 836 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,640 "because he's a sexual harassment suit waiting to happen." 837 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,960 I honestly... I did not think that it would get that bad 838 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,320 or that it even had the potential to get that bad 839 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,680 until, like... I mean, he groped me and... 840 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,240 SHE GASPS Yeah. 841 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,840 Are you serious? Yeah. 842 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,760 Like, stand up. Like, it was... He groped you in the butt? 843 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,320 No, no... He groped you in the front? Yeah. 844 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,160 I didn't know Spacey groped him. 845 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,080 He was young. 846 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,120 He was just new in the business. 847 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,560 It's sad and it should not have happened. 848 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:53,720 And... 849 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,840 SIGHS ..it pisses me off. 850 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:07,240 When you are playing a leading role, it is also a leadership role. 851 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,040 I've always believed that you have to come on to a set 852 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,720 and be a part of creating an environment 853 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,000 where people want to do their best work. 854 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,600 And when I've seen examples of people who... 855 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,760 ..you know, mistreat others on a set or...um... 856 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,000 ..I call them out on it. 857 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,720 Is that one of your philosophies in life? Yeah. 858 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,560 Just be one of the good guys? Yeah. 859 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,840 I'm Chloe Melas. I'm an entertainment journalist. 860 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,480 We were in the throes of the #MeToo movement. 861 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,720 The allegations against Harvey Weinstein had just been published. 862 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,320 And you were hearing about allegations 863 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,480 against other famous actors. 864 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,000 I had just come back from maternity leave 865 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,360 and I had been back at work maybe a week. 866 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,080 I had all these hormones raging and I just sort of channelled it 867 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,240 into this Kevin Spacey investigation. 868 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,120 I started making phone calls to as many people as I could find 869 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,400 who had either worked on House of Cards 870 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,480 or who were working on House of Cards. 871 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,480 I had some people tell me that, you know, 872 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,440 Kevin Spacey had touched them inappropriately, 873 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,880 rubbing their shoulders, a pat on the butt, 874 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,120 a lingering hug. 875 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,520 He would shake their hand, and then on point of contact, 876 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,640 he would then grab their hand down to his crotch - 877 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,520 what people described as a toxic work environment that made them 878 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,000 not want to work around Kevin Spacey or fearful to be around him, 879 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,840 worried that they might get preyed upon next. 880 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,640 I spoke to one young man who told me that while he's in the car 881 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:58,240 with Kevin Spacey, Kevin put his hand down his pants. 882 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,040 This is his dream job that's now turned into a total nightmare. 883 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,960 In the end, after speaking to about 200 people, 884 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,680 I got eight to agree to tell me their stories - 885 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:16,360 stories that would cause the House of Cards show to collapse. 886 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,000 Next thing you know, there are these allegations 887 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,800 coming from across the pond, overseas, in the UK. 888 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,840 ARCHIVE: Hollywood star Kevin Spacey taking up his new role 889 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,680 at one of London's most famous theatres. 890 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:37,000 He pulled me in very close with his right hand, 891 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,200 and he put his left hand down by my bum. 892 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:44,640 It's the best job I've ever had, cos I get to bring people together 893 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,680 and be a part of creating a family. 894 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,240 I just felt so small. 895 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,040 I started to get, like, scared of coming to work. 896 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,800 "Is it going to happen again today?" 897 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,160 ARCHIVE: Kevin Spacey receives an honorary knighthood 898 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,640 for services to British theatre. 899 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,400 If this is not criminal behaviour, it is nonetheless bad behaviour, 900 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,840 and that's why it needs to be called out and it needs to be discussed. 901 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,120 The message to Kevin has to be, "It's over." 902 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,640 You know, "It's over for you." 903 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,920 Subtitles by Red Bee Media