1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 This programme contains strong language and discussions 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,920 of a sexual nature that some viewers may find distressing 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,840 So here's the school off to our right. 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,040 If you look through there, you can see the auditorium. 5 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,680 We would rehearse in one of these permanent buildings. 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,200 So I went to Chatsworth High School with Kevin. 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,480 I got involved with the drama club. 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,480 The actor with an outsized reputation 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,560 was Kevin Fowler. 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,240 Everybody seemed to like him, 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,080 as well as recognise how good of an actor he was. 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,640 He was already planning to be successful 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,400 at that age, in high school. 14 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,800 He was going to adopt his middle name as his last name, 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,240 his middle name, Spacey. 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,680 His personality was often inspiring. 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,920 Jumping and yelling and stamping 18 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:15,560 and also just goofing off with us. 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,320 I was a kid who didn't focus very well. 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,560 I wasn't really all that academic. 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,960 I didn't really care that much about classes. 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,040 I was a bit disruptive, I was the class clown. 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:31,480 I would have been 16,17 at the time 24 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,560 and, uh...Kevin was a year ahead. 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,240 My interest was in girls, 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,840 and anything theatre-related was just really exciting for me. 27 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,600 Taking pictures was my way of capturing the moment. 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,680 The people. 29 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,840 Kevin here pretending he's going to choke me to death 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,680 for continuing to take pictures. 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,960 "Ah, Greg, you're so weird. 32 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,560 "I've really watched you grow as a person and a performer. 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,680 "My, you have 'come out'! 34 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,400 "I wish you all the luck in the world. 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,400 "You're a pretty strange guy but cool. 36 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:19,760 "Stay good! 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,120 "Always, Kevin Fowler." 38 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,840 I don't recall if he wrote this in my yearbook, um... 39 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,280 ..before the incident in the car or after. 40 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,440 We were having a drama party at one of the student's houses, 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,080 and Kevin asked for a ride. 42 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,560 So I had a car. 43 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:48,240 Pick him up, and we headed over to the party. 44 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,480 And on the way to the party... 45 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,160 ..he made a physical advance in the car, 46 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,200 which was extremely uncomfortable. 47 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,400 I'm driving. 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,800 And he's in the passenger seat, 49 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,840 reaching over...to get a feel. 50 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,000 He grabbed my genitals. 51 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,120 Definitely with... with intention and with purpose. 52 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Just...shock and surprise and... 53 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,160 I was, in a sense, trapped. 54 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,600 It was a very aggressive sexual move 55 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:35,800 for that age group. 56 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,400 There was no consent, 57 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,000 as we ask for today or as we...expect today. 58 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,440 I had no idea that he was 59 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,680 interested in me sexually or... 60 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,480 ..anything other than just as another theatre kid, 61 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,120 like he was. 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,640 Later on in the evening at the party, 63 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,200 he then cornered me, pleading to not... 64 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,200 ..mention what had happened in the car to anyone. 65 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,960 At that age in Chatsworth, 66 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,800 it was not accepted to be outwardly...gay. 67 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,960 It was not a common thing or an accepted thing. 68 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,120 He was planning to move away, to pursue acting, 69 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,400 so I didn't think I would ever see him again 70 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,880 after that school year anyway, 71 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,000 so there was no need to drag his name through any scandal. 72 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,480 I told him I wouldn't, 73 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,520 just to not, you know, do anything else. 74 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:47,760 And he didn't. 75 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,880 BBC NEWS: The Hollywood star Kevin Spacey 76 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,760 is found not guilty of sexually assaulting four men. 77 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,600 The actor broke down in tears 78 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,440 as he was cleared of all nine charges. 79 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,360 I would like to say 80 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,000 that I'm enormously grateful to the jury 81 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,880 for having taken the time to examine all of the evidence, 82 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,520 and I am humbled by the outcome today. 83 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,320 REPORTER: The star leaves court an innocent man. 84 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,480 he will hope he can resume a career that reached the highest levels. 85 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,240 He just had these real dead eyes looking at me, 86 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:52,640 and I just felt like I was staring into, like, a soulless monster. 87 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,680 It was cold in a way that almost was inhuman. 88 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,400 Your first reaction is not violence. 89 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,640 You feel like you brought it on to yourself and you feel shame. 90 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,560 It was all about, "I can do this. 91 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,680 "I can do this to you, I'm Kevin Spacey." 92 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,360 Now, we've become accustomed to Hollywood stars 93 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,600 coming over here to tread the boards. 94 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,760 Well, the Oscar-winning actor Kevin Spacey 95 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,400 has taken his love affair with the British theatre one stage further. 96 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,160 To find myself in the role of director of the Old Vic 97 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,240 is beyond my wildest imaginings. 98 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,920 The Old Vic was on its last legs, 99 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,560 but then when Kevin came on board, it became the place to be. 100 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,000 He was the...cash cow, if you like. 101 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,640 The true test is whether he can get the punters through the doors 102 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,280 and earn this place the money it so desperately needs. 103 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Holes in the roof mean the audience has to dodge the rain. 104 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,920 Who's going to buy, you know, a £25,000 ticket at a gala 105 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,640 to come and sit at the Old Vic, 106 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,200 unless...there is the opportunity 107 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,480 to be near the lustre of this Hollywood star? 108 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,000 I sort of got to the end of, you know, '99, 109 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,280 American Beauty had come out, 110 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,560 and I was like, "Well, that kind of went better than I could have hoped. 111 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,920 "Now what am I supposed to do?" 112 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,920 And I just thought, "No, I think I want another dream." 113 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,640 When I first arrived at the Old Vic, 114 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,120 I was very excited to see him onstage 115 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,080 and learn from someone who was, you know, very talented. 116 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,720 He just had stage presence like no other person. 117 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640 He knew how to manipulate his audience, 118 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,240 to, you know, kind of almost have them under his spell. 119 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,520 It was a dream, you know - 120 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,280 it was a dream for the Old Vic, a dream for everybody. 121 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,960 Listen, I wasn't doing anything glamorous. 122 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,680 I was selling ice creams, I was helping people get to their seats. 123 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,840 And during this time, 124 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,040 there was a pantomime going on called Cinderella. 125 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,240 It was a very family atmosphere, 126 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,880 but it was a really, really great show. 127 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,560 I was working in the stalls, 128 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,240 on the right-hand side. 129 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,920 It was my job to guard the door to check who was coming in. 130 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:04,560 And so he'd come back into the stalls and just watch 131 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,840 and then all of a sudden... 132 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,000 ..he, like... 133 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,480 ..had somehow wedged his whole body 134 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,680 inside this tiny little gap, like right here. 135 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,360 I didn't even know you could fit a person in this little gap, 136 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,480 because it really was just a kind of a cove where the usher would sit. 137 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,760 And I remember just, like, moving, like, slightly over, 138 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,520 thinking, "Oh, maybe he doesn't realise how much gap there is." 139 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:35,480 You just see the brightness of the stage, 140 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,320 and everything is very, very dark. 141 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,200 But then... 142 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,480 And because of where I was sitting, and he was standing... 143 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,200 HE SIGHS 144 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,560 ..I felt like his whole groin push on my face. 145 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,240 There's someone that I had tremendous respect for, 146 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,960 and he was pushing his groin on my face 147 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,400 during whilst I was working. 148 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,960 Whilst the pantomime was going on with families and children. 149 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,400 And I could...smell him. 150 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,880 I could feel him getting pleasure by it. 151 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,880 I froze just in a way that I... I couldn't move. 152 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,240 And I just... 153 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,040 ..felt so small. 154 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,000 I started to get, like, scared of coming to work. 155 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,920 "Is it going to happen again today?" 156 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,760 He had this, like, look of intent now with me 157 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,720 since that incident that still kind of haunts me, 158 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,120 like...like he owned part of me. 159 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,120 There was continual moments where... 160 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,280 ..he would, like, touch me, like, from behind 161 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,440 or brush himself across me in a way that was completely uninvited. 162 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,600 I remember, like, a pressing, 163 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:13,160 a form of, like, something, like, going inside of my trousers 164 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,440 and just being like jolted, like perked. 165 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,160 And I remember it getting closer and closer and more intimate 166 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,200 and like... 167 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,480 Oh, God, I mean... 168 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,960 I just thought, "What have I done to deserve this, you know? 169 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,680 "How can you get on that stage? 170 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,720 "How can you sleep at night?" 171 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Oh, it's just... 172 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,680 It's such an invasion of... 173 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,240 ..a human being. 174 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,800 I just felt like a piece of meat. 175 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,640 There was no relationship. 176 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,400 It was all about, "I can do this. 177 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,840 "I can do this to you, I'm Kevin Spacey." 178 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,440 Please say hello to Kevin Spacey! 179 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,960 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 180 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,960 How long have you been in London now? 181 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,920 I moved there in 2003. 182 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,320 Not only have they welcomed you over there, 183 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,840 but the royal family, they gave you a necklace? 184 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,080 Yeah. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 185 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,600 Yeah. It's a... 186 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,440 What medal is this? This is a... 187 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,040 It's a little royal bling. 188 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,360 Yeah! 189 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,560 And what it's called, is it's called a CBE... 190 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,000 CBE. ..which is an honorary knighthood. 191 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,440 It's actually... It's rather nice. 192 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,440 To see on Jimmy Kimmel 193 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,360 that he had received an award from the royal family 194 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,440 for his services to British theatre, it really hurt. 195 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,640 I think we can't underestimate the power he has and had, 196 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,800 and I think that was a moment when I knew I couldn't speak up. 197 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,080 Good morning, everyone. How is everyone? How are you? 198 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Let's just keep moving around, 199 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,240 and we might do an exercise that I rather like... 200 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,760 MELVYN BRAGG: Central to his artistic mission at the Old Vic 201 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,600 is his commitment to developing new audiences and emerging talent 202 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,320 through the Old Vic's New Voices programme. 203 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,520 It was about sending the elevator back down, 204 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:27,000 and I always loved that saying, 205 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,360 that's why it's still burned into my memory. 206 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,440 If you've done well in the business you wanted to do well in, 207 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,760 if you've been successful, 208 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,920 then it's your obligation to spend a good portion of your time 209 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,560 sending the elevator back down. 210 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,880 He would say it in interviews and all sorts of promotion material. 211 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,680 That was the philosophy that the great Jack Lemmon passed down to me. 212 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,840 I'll never forget when I was just 13, 213 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,240 I got the chance to do a workshop with Mr Lemmon, 214 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,360 and after I did a scene, he walked up to me, 215 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:56,520 he put his hand on my shoulder, 216 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:58,360 and he said, "That was a touch of terrific." 217 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,920 And it was really the beginning of discovering my own potential. 218 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,440 We were aiming at young people aged 18 to 26. 219 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,240 Welcome to the fourth year 220 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,960 of the Old Vic New Voices 24 Hour Plays Gala. 221 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,640 He was always, you know, giving good advice, 222 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:21,600 and they were always so starry-eyed and wide-eyed. 223 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,840 They were like puppy dogs, you know, 224 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,000 drinking from the fountain of, you know, knowledge. 225 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,320 We're all big fans of Kevin, cos we all, 226 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,480 most of us go to Julliard, where Kevin went long ago. 227 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,360 It's really great, cos we're front row right now 228 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,320 and we can touch him if we wanted to. 229 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,120 Anybody, anybody, anybody, anybody, don't be shy. 230 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,640 It's always interesting when I'm in a workshop, 231 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,040 and I'm always looking for the shy kid in the corner, 232 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,720 because that was me when I grew up 233 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,800 and I started doing these kinds of workshops. Yeah. 234 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,200 We're invited to go and do a workshop 235 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,480 with Kevin at the Old Vic. 236 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:57,760 It's amazing. 237 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,960 We're standing on the stage, 238 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,240 and we're with Kevin Spacey, 239 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,400 and there's this feeling 240 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,600 of anything's possible in those moments, 241 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,760 because you're rubbing shoulders with such success. 242 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,960 We sat down on the floor in a circle all together first. 243 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,200 "Say your name and something about yourself" sort of thing. 244 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,920 And I was leant back like this, 245 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,360 and the first thing I can recall happening 246 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,960 is that Kevin put his hand on my hand. 247 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,240 Then we all got up 248 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,440 and started taking it in turns to do the scene work. 249 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,160 And the thing I remember about that particular moment 250 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,000 is seeing him look like he was interested in the scenes, 251 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,360 but actually he was sort of just working his way around the room, 252 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,280 putting his arm around 253 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,400 what seems to be the most handsome guys in the space. 254 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,320 One of them he hugged quite aggressively. 255 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,440 And then a little bit more time goes on, 256 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,920 and it's my turn to do my scene. 257 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,000 And then Kevin came right into my personal space, 258 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:07,680 and I remember being held by... by him, both my arms were held, 259 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:13,400 and he whispered, in my ear, something along the lines of... 260 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,200 "You don't give a fuck about what she has to say. 261 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,640 "You just want to fuck her in the ass." 262 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,080 I just felt his body up against my body. 263 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,640 I think his penis was against my leg. 264 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,840 I mean, it's...it's horrible. 265 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,040 The cynical part of my brain says that 266 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,800 we were all invited under false pretences 267 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,360 to do a scene study on... 268 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,600 ..the play they were doing, 269 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,000 but actually he was just there deciding who he'd like to... 270 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,800 ..to flirt with next. 271 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,320 This is more than a job, 272 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,480 because I'm finally doing something that is outside of my own career 273 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,920 and bigger than myself, 274 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:02,840 and I'm able to see the effects it has on people's lives 275 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,520 every single day. 276 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,760 So I was in my fourth year at school 277 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,960 where he came in to do a workshop 278 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,360 on Shakespeare monologues. 279 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,680 It was huge, I was thrilled, 280 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,000 and I wanted him to think that I was good. 281 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,240 He came over to me, encouraging me and saying, 282 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,600 he said, "Well, if you ever want to 283 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,320 "work on any of your audition material, 284 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,040 "we could do that." 285 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,320 It struck me as such an extraordinary offer. 286 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:49,800 He was trying to find a way for us to meet up. 287 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,840 And I said, "Oh, I'm going to see 288 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,640 "the third year performing their Shakespeare, 289 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,280 "so I can't." 290 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,800 And he said, "Well, we can go together." 291 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,200 So, you know, we're in this dark theatre together. 292 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,360 He would just very casually but frequently 293 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,040 lean over to me next to him 294 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,080 and sort of whisper in my ear, very close, 295 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:16,960 frequent enough and close enough 296 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,240 and lingering enough that... it was pretty clear. 297 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,280 And then if that wasn't clear, 298 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,920 him putting his hand on my thigh and my intimate... 299 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,760 the inner part of my thigh... was crystal clear. 300 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,640 I felt this was about pursuit and sex. 301 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,560 It brought up all kinds of those emotions of guilt and shame, 302 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,720 and somehow I let this happen, 303 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,960 and that those feelings sort of supplant 304 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:55,280 or kind of grow overtop of thinking he should be ashamed. 305 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,120 It was about a six-month period 306 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,600 where I would say, every couple of weeks or so, 307 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,120 I would get voicemails. 308 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,800 He was running the Old Vic at the time, 309 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,840 so he wasn't always around. 310 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,000 "Hey, I'm in town and I've got this party. 311 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,040 "Hey, I'm in town, and I'm going to this premiere. 312 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,560 "Hey, I'm in town and I'm staying at this hotel with tennis courts, 313 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,800 "and we could play and have a steam in the steam bath afterwards." 314 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,600 I don't want this. 315 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,800 I'm not interested in this, I'm creeped out by this. 316 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,520 But he's still this person 317 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,160 who has power and influence 318 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,680 and who was literally my teacher last week. 319 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,800 It's really hard 320 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,000 to feel as though you can say no to that person, 321 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,040 if he's willing and interested 322 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,280 in exploiting that kind of power position 323 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,440 for, you know, his own desires. 324 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,360 I just don't think that's...right. 325 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,600 And this is Kevin, my brother, 326 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,960 and we were both just standing there looking off into the distance. 327 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,920 We just seemed to have bonded so closely. 328 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,720 For so many years, we were close. 329 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,480 But as soon as you introduced our parents into the formula, 330 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:42,400 the dynamics just became... stifling, squished. 331 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,600 I think what happened to us, how we drifted apart, 332 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,080 it makes me sad. 333 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,720 In 1969... 334 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,440 ..it was the summer, that's when it first started. 335 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,720 My father took me up to the master bedroom... 336 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,440 ..and raped me. 337 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,400 He sodomised me, he gave me oral sex. 338 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,720 I was screaming for my mother. 339 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 And my mother came upstairs, 340 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,160 and the bedroom door was locked. 341 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,840 She goes, "What's going on in there?" 342 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,760 My mother's banging on the door, and my father... 343 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,200 ..put his arm up against my neck and threw me against the wall 344 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,480 and says, "Don't say a word." 345 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,800 And then all of a sudden, there was silence, 346 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,720 and she just walked away. 347 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,400 I was only 13, 14 years old. 348 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,800 This kind of nonsense went on for years, 349 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:00,000 and it wasn't until 1971 I just said, 350 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,520 "No. 351 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,360 "This has to stop now." 352 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,560 And I threatened him. 353 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,840 And I said, "If you ever lay a hand on Kevin, 354 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,120 "I'm going to tell mother." 355 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,040 And that was the last sexual abuse. 356 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,000 When I moved out in 1975, 357 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,920 I kind of felt guilty, 358 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,400 but I couldn't take it any longer. 359 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,960 "What about Kevin? 360 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,960 "What's going to happen to my little brother?" 361 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,160 But then I started thinking about it, 362 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,800 realising that how close my mother was to Kevin, 363 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,440 that I thought that she would protect him. 364 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,560 I just had to take a chance that he would be OK. 365 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,440 But just because he wasn't being abused 366 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,360 doesn't mean that there wasn't psychological trauma 367 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:04,440 going on within him from the strange family life we had. 368 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:15,200 It is only in the theatre experience that you can create families 369 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,760 and really lasting relationships. 370 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,080 So having moved to London, 371 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:23,080 the Old Vic, it's the best job I've ever had, 372 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:26,920 cos I get to bring people together and be a part of creating a family. 373 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,720 I wanted to be the best in the world. 374 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,320 I got an agent, 375 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,240 and then I had an audition for World War Z 376 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,840 with Brad Pitt. 377 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,000 Stay close. 378 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,600 I'm the guy with the gun! 379 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,800 Nice little close-up. 380 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,320 I got a call from my agent, 381 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:59,960 and it was an offer for Sweet Bird Of Youth at the Old Vic in London. 382 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,680 There's not many gigs in Theatreland 383 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,520 that are better than a summer show at the Old Vic, 384 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,160 so I just put everything into it. 385 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,000 And being the youngest in a cast like that, 386 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,040 the pressure that I put on myself. 387 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,280 "Don't fuck this up. 388 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,080 "Do a really good job and you might get to do this again 389 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,560 "in a Kevin Spacey show at the Old Vic." 390 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,840 Everything is building up to that press night, 391 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,640 as close as you can get to a Hollywood premiere. 392 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,520 So I go over to my dressing room, 393 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,920 and there's a knock at the door. 394 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,920 Kevin's assistant comes in and says, 395 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,120 "Ruari, this is from Kevin." 396 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,520 And I opened the box, and it had a little card from Kevin, 397 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,800 and it said, "Ruari - Happy Opening! K." 398 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,000 And a gift. 399 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,520 I don't know how much it costs, 400 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:03,520 but it's an original poster of Sweet Bird Of Youth. 401 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,320 And there was a real silence in the room. 402 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,000 I felt a little bit embarrassed, if I'm being honest. 403 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,200 APPLAUSE BUILDS 404 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,080 So show finishes, 405 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,800 and there's immediately the press night after-party. 406 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,600 We made our way down to the Savoy. 407 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,640 When you walk in, on your left, 408 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,200 you have the nation's photographers from every newspaper, 409 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,360 getting photographs of people, 410 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,240 and there's people standing there from the cast, 411 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,360 famous people who had been invited to the press night. 412 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,960 And I see Kevin. 413 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,440 And so I did what I felt like I had to do. 414 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,520 I walked up to him, and I put my hand out, 415 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,440 and I said, "Thank you so much for the gift, Kevin." 416 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,280 And...he pulled me in very close with his right hand... 417 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,320 ..and sort of turned me 45 degrees. 418 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,800 Now, I don't know that that was to hide from the cameras, 419 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,280 but I can only assume that was what he was trying to do. 420 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,600 And he put his left hand down by my... 421 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,160 ..my-my bum. 422 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,480 And he stuck his middle finger 423 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,720 as far up...me as possible. 424 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,480 Erm... 425 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,960 I was wearing a suit, so... 426 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,320 ..he took up the recessed material 427 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,600 and just tried to go up through my boxers, up inside me. 428 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,400 I just totally froze. 429 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,640 He pulled me in closer in his ear, in my ear, he whispered, 430 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,800 "Don't worry about it." 431 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,320 He did that, and then he, just like a shark, 432 00:26:58,360 --> 00:26:59,760 just moved straight through 433 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,240 and moved into Kevin mode at a press night, 434 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,880 so went and took pictures. 435 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,600 And it's horrible to know that, like, you're doing that one second, 436 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,880 and the next minute you're carrying on like nothing's happened. 437 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,040 It feels like you're invisible. 438 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,880 I can see all the photographers, 439 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,920 and there's, like, all these eyes and all these faces, 440 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,920 and you're moving through them, 441 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,760 and you just want, er... someone to help you. 442 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,360 I stopped... putting in work for auditions. 443 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,320 Staying in bed all day. 444 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:41,920 You just go like that. 445 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,800 What's the point? 446 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,160 There was a naivety there of feeling like you were on a mission 447 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,240 to become the best actor in the world, 448 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,280 but as soon as you get made to feel, like, that small, 449 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,040 you're almost muted, you know, your voice gets smaller. 450 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,120 I didn't feel like I was in an environment, 451 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,400 if I did tell someone, 452 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960 they would have believed me or even supported me. 453 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,960 This was a London theatre with an A-list star... 454 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,800 ..and they worshipped him. 455 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,840 From that point on, I don't see my career as anything else 456 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,960 other than just sort of darting around the edges of... 457 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:28,920 ..quite substantial addiction issues and relationship issues. 458 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,560 Now to Washington's obsession with a show 459 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,080 that happens to make Washington look like a den of vipers. 460 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,040 Yeah, it's called House Of cards, and it's available on Netflix, 461 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,640 and it stars Kevin Spacey. 462 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,720 Netflix was the DVD delivery company 463 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,800 that, like, my parents signed up for. 464 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,080 They had transitioned into streaming, 465 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,160 and then Netflix is now going to be making their own TV shows, 466 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,520 and House Of Cards was one of the first. 467 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,360 Netflix has made a loud and pricey statement that they've arrived, 468 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,360 betting $100 million on a project with Kevin Spacey. 469 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,920 What about my guest tonight? Academy Award-winning actor, 470 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,240 his Netflix series, now showing its second season, 471 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,680 is called House Of Cards. 472 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,640 Please welcome back to the programme Kevin Spacey! 473 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,920 Kevin Spacey was on every chat show. 474 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,040 He was on The Daily Show, Jon Stewart loved him. 475 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,000 You Machiavellian piece of BLEEP, you conniving... 476 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,680 It's so good! 477 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,840 So my role in relation to Kevin is, I was the first team PA on set, 478 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,520 which meant that I had eyes on Kevin pretty much all of the time. 479 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,240 I had never been so close 480 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:03,520 to a performer that commanded the room in such a way, 481 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,240 and I was just so blown away by it. 482 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,640 It was literally the last scene of season two. 483 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Frank has finally 484 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,600 become the president through all of the scheming, 485 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,600 and he's taking his first moment inside the Oval Office. 486 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,640 You just see him settling into 487 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,840 this, like, power he has worked so hard for, 488 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,280 and at the very end of it, 489 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840 he just looks dead in the camera 490 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,000 and smacks his fist on the table. 491 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,640 You felt the oxygen, all the oxygen in that room, 492 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,080 focus on him. 493 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,600 And cut! Nice! 494 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,800 It was like, "Oh, this is how you win Oscars." 495 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,120 I'm having the time of my life working on it. 496 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,640 Literally every day is just a joy to work on. 497 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,840 Well, I wish things were that ruthlessly efficient. 498 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,920 LAUGHTER 499 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,680 It's true, I was looking at Kevin Spacey, 500 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,040 I was thinking, "This guy's getting a lot of stuff done." 501 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,400 I loved working on House Of Cards, I adored working on that set. 502 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,040 But, um, the behaviour that was going on 503 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,840 also made it a hostile work environment 504 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,760 for a lot of people. 505 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,680 I thought he was, like, incredible. You know? 506 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,880 He just had this this aura about him on screen, 507 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,160 but then we're on the other side of the set, 508 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,520 and right there in that moment, at a workplace, 509 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,760 I was inappropriately touched. 510 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,200 It was kind of shocking. 511 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,640 It was like seeing someone just kind of shift in front of you, 512 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,720 and I just remember he just had these very cold eyes, 513 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,320 like empty, soulless. 514 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,600 I caught him in this moment where there was the real Kevin. 515 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,320 The issue of Kevin was certainly well known. 516 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,040 It was like, "Oh, yeah, that's the thing." 517 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,400 "That's what happens here." 518 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,960 The issues surrounding Kevin were typically with men. 519 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,960 Both myself and the base-camp production assistant, 520 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,320 we were both women. 521 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,040 It's all very coded, but it was implied to me 522 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,880 that it was to account for the fact 523 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,960 that there was, quote-unquote, you know, bad behaviour, 524 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 and they wanted to make sure 525 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,280 that they weren't putting someone in too close proximity 526 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,400 where it could happen again. 527 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,240 I would often see him walk up to performers, 528 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,360 walk up to, like, background actors we had on set, 529 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,800 and he would, you know, kind of get very close 530 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,440 and clearly be like engaging with them in this way. 531 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,320 I would see him, you know, put a hand on like an arm 532 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,440 and, like, talk about their muscles. 533 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,040 You know, there would be kind of that kind of grabby flirtatiousness 534 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,280 would happen if he felt like he could get away with it. 535 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,360 There were crew members that were made to feel very uncomfortable. 536 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,080 So one of the feelings that you get 537 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,360 when you're a woman in this environment 538 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,280 where you're used to being the one who's the target is, 539 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,600 "Wow, at least it's not me." 540 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,480 But then you're seeing it happen to other people, 541 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,320 and that's not that's not something you want to be happening either. 542 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,080 We had a crew member who Kevin was particularly fixed on, 543 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,200 and he was he was spending so much time going up to this person, 544 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,680 trying to engage with this person, trying to engage with this person, 545 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,800 that that person's boss actually moved them off of set. 546 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,080 Because he's the executive producer, he's your boss, 547 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,800 and so if he comes up to you and wants to engage in conversation, 548 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,640 you're in some way obligated to. 549 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,000 It puts you in a really weird headspace 550 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,480 where you're kind of waiting to be, like, 551 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,600 "What's bad enough where something has to be done about this? 552 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,680 "Is there some way I can insert myself to kind of save them?" 553 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320 It was not clear what you could do. 554 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,680 You could call...Netflix? 555 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,800 It just seemed like he was unstoppable. 556 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,000 Kevin was getting a lot of praise for his role in House Of Cards. 557 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,160 He won the Golden Globes Award, he won the SAG Award. 558 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,120 My favourite, Kevin Spacey! 559 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,080 Yes! 560 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,240 Thank you. Thank you. 561 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,720 I just want to talk a little bit 562 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,720 about the theory of relativity, um... 563 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,240 LAUGHTER 564 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,160 Yeah, because apparently they say that if you're in an elevator, 565 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,360 you don't know whether you're going up or going down, 566 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,800 but right now, it feels like I'm going up. 567 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,880 Thank you very much. APPLAUSE FADES 568 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,840 I was invited to go to the Bafta Britannia Awards. 569 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,400 And, um... 570 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,000 Would you please welcome two-time Academy Award winner Kevin Spacey?! 571 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,520 All of a sudden, Kevin Spacey comes onstage. 572 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,840 This is...ten years later. 573 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,600 And I had not seen him since these incidences, 574 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,960 and my heart just sank to the floor. 575 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,240 You wrecked part of my life. 576 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,240 And there was this whole room adoring you. 577 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,520 And I thought, "Ten years have gone past, 578 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,120 "what more has he done?" 579 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,200 And that whole weekend was a blur because... 580 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,640 the Friday was the event. 581 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,800 The Saturday... 582 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,920 ..I told my mum. 583 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,400 And the Sunday, the news broke. 584 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,880 Tonight, there is a scandal swirling around actor Kevin Spacey, 585 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,640 the Hollywood star accused of sexual misconduct. 586 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,640 Spacey allegedly forced himself 587 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,200 on a future Broadway star, Anthony Rapp. 588 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,800 Well, we have the reporter who broke this story, 589 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,520 Adam B Vary of BuzzFeed News. 590 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,840 Anthony Rapp was very much moved by the number of women 591 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,120 who were coming forward in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, 592 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,880 and he felt like, as he said, 593 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,680 he was really awake to the moment we're living in now. Yeah. 594 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,360 I think Kevin Spacey stands out 595 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,560 in the first few months of the MeToo movement, 596 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,280 because he was the first prominent man 597 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,320 to have an allegation brought against him by another man. 598 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,200 Within a couple hours of the BuzzFeed story publishing, 599 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,080 Kevin Spacey released a statement. 600 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,000 In a statement, Spacey says, quote, 601 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,200 "If I've behaved then as he describes, 602 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,560 "I owe him the sincerest apology 603 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,680 "for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behaviour." 604 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,120 Spacey tweeted he does not remember the alleged encounter, 605 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,240 which Rapp detailed in an interview with BuzzFeed. 606 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,840 Still, Spacey says he's beyond horrified by the story, 607 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,440 and he says it has encouraged him 608 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,880 to do something he's never done before - 609 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,040 publicly acknowledge that he is gay. 610 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,600 There was a great deal of pushback from the LGBTQ community 611 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,480 for that statement. 612 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,080 It's a real shame that, after many, many opportunities 613 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,080 that Kevin Spacey did have to come out in a positive way, 614 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,040 that he's ended up coming out in what has been a very negative way. 615 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,760 As a queer person myself, 616 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,840 Kevin's decision to come out 617 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,960 on the back end of these accusations 618 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,600 that were brought against him by other men 619 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,720 was frustrating, 620 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,320 because it felt like it was being used as a distraction. 621 00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,480 I don't know what Kevin Spacey's intentions were with that statement, 622 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,000 but that was how it was received by a lot of people. 623 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,480 That's warped, that's wrong. 624 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,160 No-one knows what journey you can or can't take in coming out, 625 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,880 and it's different for everybody, 626 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,280 which is all the more reason to continue to pursue it 627 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,000 until you find a way to live with yourself 628 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,480 and not hate yourself for being who you are. 629 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,680 That's what the coming-out process is, 630 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,760 and that's why I really worry about Spacey's health. 631 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,160 Because where is his head in with this? 632 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,400 Since he came out to defend himself against accusations, 633 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,800 he's not said a word about the gay community, 634 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,560 about being a gay man, 635 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,960 about how it feels to be an out gay man. 636 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,600 That's not in this conversation and that to me is very suspect. 637 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,240 I thought Kevin Spacey's statement seemed strange. 638 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,040 He's half apologising 639 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,440 for this allegation that Anthony Rapp is making, 640 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,520 but he's now also using this as a moment to come out as gay. 641 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,280 And to me, that was just a red flag 642 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,840 that he was trying to deflect from something bigger. 643 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,240 I shut myself in this small little conference room, 644 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,960 and I called hundreds of people over the next two or three days. 645 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,200 I was talking to all sorts of people who had either 646 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:51,240 worked on House Of Cards or who were actively working on the show. 647 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,440 I eventually landed with eight people 648 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,920 who were willing to share their stories with me, 649 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,640 but under the condition of anonymity. 650 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,520 A lot of the people that I was speaking to 651 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,520 were just starting out their careers in Hollywood, 652 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,640 and they just weren't emboldened and empowered enough 653 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,240 to feel like they could take on someone as powerful as Kevin Spacey. 654 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,680 And so we published the piece, 655 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:20,960 and I had no idea what was about to happen. 656 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,040 Netflix has fired actor Kevin Spacey from House of Cards. 657 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,080 Netflix has confirmed House of Cards will resume production next year, 658 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,360 but without the show's main star, Kevin Spacey. 659 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:42,200 That week, there was a stream of other stories and allegations. 660 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,080 We've got some disturbing new accusations being levelled 661 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,480 this morning against Oscar-winner Kevin Spacey. 662 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,640 It's one of a number of explosive allegations levelled 663 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,720 against the actor in recent weeks. 664 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,240 The effects of 665 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,440 the allegations against Kevin Spacey firebombed his career. 666 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,840 His agency and his publicist dropped him. 667 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,480 Several of Kevin Spacey's projects that had already been shot 668 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,600 were either dropped or dumped. 669 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,400 But is Hollywood being too quick to judge, turning its back 670 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,880 on the Oscar winner before formal charges have even been made? 671 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,120 Next thing you know, there are these allegations coming 672 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,400 from across the pond, overseas in the UK. 673 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,920 20 people have claimed they were victims of inappropriate behaviour 674 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,760 by the actor Kevin Spacey, following an investigation 675 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,160 by the Old Vic Theatre in London. 676 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,840 The Old Vic apologises wholeheartedly to the people 677 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,080 who have told us they've been affected. 678 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,280 Everyone needs to feel that they can speak out no matter who they are. 679 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,480 Thank you. 680 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:07,600 The reason I've never really spoke out about it was out of, uh, fear. 681 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,360 Yeah, fear of not being believed. 682 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,440 This stuff doesn't happen to guys. 683 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,520 At least, that's what I thought. 684 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,280 Until I experienced what I did on House of Cards. 685 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,000 When you're gay, it's like, 686 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,520 "Oh, well, isn't it just like being at a gay club?" 687 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,720 I even remember someone said, "Oh, lucky you." 688 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,760 Lucky me? 689 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,320 W-... Wha-...? 690 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,080 Would you say that to a woman? 691 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,480 These stories just kept coming. 692 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,800 But Kevin Spacey kept retreating and becoming more reclusive. 693 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,000 And then all of a sudden, he put this bizarre YouTube video 694 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,200 up of himself standing in what appears to be his kitchen, 695 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:01,080 wearing an apron, and he is channelling his House of Cards 696 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,080 character, Frank Underwood. 697 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,360 I know what you want. 698 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,520 Oh, sure, they may have tried to separate us, 699 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,120 but what we have is too strong. 700 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,760 It's too powerful. 701 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,480 When I saw it, I felt physically ill. 702 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,240 He knows best that we want him back. 703 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:23,320 And that's so pompously egotistical that it 704 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,800 just makes me angry. 705 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,280 Of course, some believed everything and have just been waiting with 706 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,800 bated breath to hear me confess it all. 707 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,280 But you wouldn't believe the worst without evidence, would you? 708 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,080 Did you? 709 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:43,600 I remember feeling so judged by watching this. 710 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,720 Oh, of course, they're going to say I'm being disrespectful, not playing 711 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,440 by the rules, like I ever played by anyone's rules before. 712 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,760 I never did. 713 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,720 And you loved it. 714 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,640 He's merging art and life in a really, really distasteful way. 715 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,720 What is he trying to prove here? 716 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,440 He's proving that he can't speak as himself. 717 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,000 He can only speak as the person, the puppeteer behind the character 718 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,320 that he's playing. 719 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,160 We now know that there was all of this turmoil 720 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,120 going on behind the scenes. 721 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:34,480 Years later, in legal documents, we find out that Media Rights 722 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,600 Capital, the production company behind House of Cards, 723 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,400 was going after Kevin Spacey. 724 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:46,280 They were headed into season six and they've lost their main star. 725 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,280 Essentially, MRC is saying, "Look, we had to rewrite the show, 726 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,280 "we had to shorten our season and it cost us, you know, millions 727 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,840 "of dollars because of your inappropriate behaviour on the set." 728 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:05,000 This arbitration court does their own independent investigation, 729 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:10,560 and they depose several individuals who claim that Kevin Spacey touched 730 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,920 them in a sexually inappropriate manner that was not consensual. 731 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,720 The arbitrator finds, through their interviews, 732 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,200 that this is a pattern of inappropriate behaviour that spans 733 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,920 the first five seasons of the show. 734 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,160 And they say that they find 735 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,440 these individuals that they deposed to be credible, 736 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,200 and that the allegations against Spacey are true. 737 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,480 The arbitration case did not find that Kevin Spacey had done anything 738 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,720 criminal, but what they did find was that Kevin was in breach 739 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,360 of this harassment policy. 740 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,760 Therefore, he was responsible financially 741 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,120 to the production company. 742 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,880 Two years later, this case finds itself in front of a judge 743 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,960 in the Superior Court of California because Kevin Spacey and his legal 744 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,160 team, they appeal the arbitrator's decision, and this judge agrees 745 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:17,400 with what the arbitrator's found and agrees that Kevin Spacey owes 746 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,080 Media Rights Capital 747 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,120 over $30 million. 748 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,520 This judgement is incredibly significant because to have it 749 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,720 written right there in black and white, this is the first time 750 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,040 that Kevin Spacey has been held accountable for his actions. 751 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,800 Mr Spacey, how do you feel? 752 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,080 Mr Spacey! How are you feeling right now? 753 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,280 There was no battery, there was no party, and nothing happened. 754 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,000 And the jury believed that, by preponderance of the evidence, 755 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,240 more likely than not, that it did not happen. 756 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,880 He called the case weak, said the men were after money, or lying, 757 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,800 or in one case, he'd just mistakenly made a pass in a moment 758 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,280 of real-life drama. 759 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,120 The jury agreed with him. 760 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,240 Hearing the verdict, it was truly devastating. 761 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,680 But it doesn't mean that we all have to be silent. 762 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,760 I can't give up on myself and my truth, and others 763 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,600 shouldn't have to either. 764 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,840 It is not easy to reconcile the not-guilty verdicts of the trials 765 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:57,720 with my own personal experiences from high school with Kevin. 766 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,960 I'll still know that what happened to me happened to me. 767 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,960 Even though it absolves him of having committed a crime 768 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,720 in those cases, 769 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,920 I know that his behaviour is not morally or ethically acceptable. 770 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,080 You know, he grabbed me and I tried to act like it was nothing. 771 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,640 And it was something, like, it's something I shouldn't 772 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:21,920 have went through. 773 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,160 I wouldn't see it as anything criminal. 774 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,600 I just did think it was just kind of like disgusting behaviour 775 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,120 from a professional to have on set. 776 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,920 When you're in a position like that, right, 777 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,480 power, celebrity, money, like, you have to be even better 778 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,880 than the average person because you're capable of so much 779 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,240 more damage and so much more destruction 780 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,880 than the average person. 781 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,160 He wasn't responsible with that power. 782 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,800 He used it like a weapon. 783 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,960 When I heard the verdict, it was like getting punched 784 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,160 in the face. 785 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:02,160 But that sense of disappointment and anger and upset crystallised 786 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,720 for me the need to come forward and tell my story. 787 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,440 The baton was almost passed to me to say, you take it up now, you push 788 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,720 this story forward. 789 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,840 The message to Kevin has to be - it's over. 790 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,240 You know, it's over for you. 791 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,240 Because enough of us know and enough of us agree that this is wrong 792 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,920 and it can't keep happening. 793 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,280 I have to respect the judicial system, but I know his behaviour 794 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,480 needs to change. 795 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,520 It did not come from his gaining power. 796 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,480 It's who he is. 797 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:44,320 My greatest fear post verdicts is that this will empower him to do 798 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,320 it again, to feel emboldened in a sense. 799 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,280 And, that can't be. 800 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,400 Subtitles by Red Bee Media