1 00:00:15,662 --> 00:00:17,662 ANNOUNCER: Bringing you Center Four... 2 00:00:29,643 --> 00:00:32,578 [FEEDBACK SOUND] 3 00:00:35,550 --> 00:00:38,419 [SINISTER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 4 00:00:49,432 --> 00:00:52,301 [SINISTER PIANO MUSIC PLAYING] 5 00:01:04,645 --> 00:01:06,711 [CHORUS OF VOICES] 6 00:01:23,499 --> 00:01:26,467 MAN: The shadow that you seen was bipedal, 7 00:01:26,502 --> 00:01:29,998 and it almost looked like a... like a giant canine. 8 00:01:30,033 --> 00:01:33,969 It didn't have any...you know, human features to it. 9 00:01:34,004 --> 00:01:36,972 Seven, eight feet tall, very broad-shouldered, 10 00:01:37,007 --> 00:01:38,644 and it had this... 11 00:01:38,679 --> 00:01:40,008 and it had this... 12 00:01:40,846 --> 00:01:42,076 canine-looking head. 13 00:01:46,555 --> 00:01:48,181 DIANE LUTZ: I remember 14 00:01:48,216 --> 00:01:51,294 it was a dog-like creature. 15 00:01:51,329 --> 00:01:56,860 To this day, I can distinctly remember hearing the footsteps. 16 00:01:56,895 --> 00:02:01,667 Bipedal footsteps on the gravel, and it was shuffling. 17 00:02:03,165 --> 00:02:06,804 SHANE LEUTHOLD: This thing emerges from the corn, 18 00:02:06,839 --> 00:02:08,839 and it was about six feet tall, 19 00:02:08,874 --> 00:02:11,248 it had the head of a dog, 20 00:02:11,283 --> 00:02:13,008 high-pointed ears, 21 00:02:13,043 --> 00:02:16,253 it's shoulders were... were rolled, and it's arms were long, 22 00:02:16,288 --> 00:02:19,619 and I remember it just, turned its head 23 00:02:19,654 --> 00:02:21,049 like this and looked at me. 24 00:02:27,728 --> 00:02:30,960 ANONYMOUS MAN: I've faced predators. 25 00:02:30,995 --> 00:02:33,666 Most of your big game predators 26 00:02:33,701 --> 00:02:35,404 that you have in the States. 27 00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:36,867 These things don't act like that. 28 00:02:36,902 --> 00:02:38,869 You look in these things' eyes, 29 00:02:38,904 --> 00:02:40,376 [FAINT HOWLING] 30 00:02:40,411 --> 00:02:43,203 these things look like they're trying to figure you out. 31 00:02:43,238 --> 00:02:44,710 They look like they're looking through you, 32 00:02:44,745 --> 00:02:46,250 trying to figure out what your next move is. 33 00:02:47,484 --> 00:02:49,649 So they can get around it. 34 00:02:49,684 --> 00:02:52,179 I've been around predators my whole life, 35 00:02:52,214 --> 00:02:54,555 and I've never seen anything in my life like that. 36 00:02:54,590 --> 00:02:55,523 [CROW CAWING] 37 00:02:58,022 --> 00:02:59,219 [HEAVY SINISTER ROCK MUSIC PLAYING] 38 00:03:56,817 --> 00:03:57,717 [FAINT HOWLING] 39 00:04:06,794 --> 00:04:08,563 [SINISTER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 40 00:04:30,081 --> 00:04:32,554 So the history of werewolf 41 00:04:32,589 --> 00:04:36,459 and Dogman sightings is... is ancient. 42 00:04:36,494 --> 00:04:40,188 We have to look at the Greek myths first, 43 00:04:40,223 --> 00:04:42,630 uh, to come up with the word "lycanthropy". 44 00:04:43,831 --> 00:04:46,502 [THRILLING INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 45 00:04:46,537 --> 00:04:48,328 RON MURPHY: And from that time on, 46 00:04:48,363 --> 00:04:50,935 we have now had part of our vernacular 47 00:04:50,970 --> 00:04:52,706 the word "lycanthrope". 48 00:04:52,741 --> 00:04:56,369 And the Greeks were very aware 49 00:04:56,404 --> 00:04:58,338 that werewolves existed. 50 00:04:58,373 --> 00:05:00,549 So when we look at the word "werewolf" as well, 51 00:05:00,584 --> 00:05:01,781 or you know the word "were" 52 00:05:01,816 --> 00:05:04,377 W-E-R, comes from the Middle Ages. 53 00:05:04,412 --> 00:05:06,082 And it simply means, "man". 54 00:05:06,117 --> 00:05:08,216 So you have a man-wolf. 55 00:05:08,251 --> 00:05:10,922 We see also, even in the Viking culture, 56 00:05:10,957 --> 00:05:14,222 you know, a few thousand years later, 2000 years later, 57 00:05:14,257 --> 00:05:17,159 whenever they would dress in the furs 58 00:05:17,194 --> 00:05:19,997 of particular animals of which they wanted to emulate. 59 00:05:20,032 --> 00:05:24,397 The name "Berserker" comes from those that wore bear hides. 60 00:05:24,432 --> 00:05:28,709 But also there were the Vikings that wore the furs of a wolf, 61 00:05:28,744 --> 00:05:30,876 and they were called the "drinkers of blood". 62 00:05:30,911 --> 00:05:34,341 Because they believed that they were able to assume 63 00:05:34,376 --> 00:05:39,049 that animal's form, that animal's ferocity in battle. 64 00:05:39,084 --> 00:05:40,314 [CLAWS CLICKING] 65 00:05:41,119 --> 00:05:42,250 [WOLVES HOWLING] 66 00:05:43,253 --> 00:05:45,055 Sightings historically, 67 00:05:45,090 --> 00:05:47,926 I think are often amalgamated with Bigfoot sightings, unfortunately. 68 00:05:47,961 --> 00:05:50,258 Because, we didn't really have 69 00:05:50,293 --> 00:05:54,394 the differential type of comparison and contrast with the Dogman. 70 00:05:54,429 --> 00:05:56,099 I think and just up until recently, 71 00:05:56,134 --> 00:05:58,937 people were seeing what they call "Dogman", or, "werewolf." 72 00:05:58,972 --> 00:06:02,402 More, because now we have that as part of our language. 73 00:06:02,437 --> 00:06:04,481 But I think a lot of times when people were talking 74 00:06:04,516 --> 00:06:07,077 about being confronted by a Bigfoot, 75 00:06:07,112 --> 00:06:10,586 or encountering a Bigfoot that was acting aggressively. 76 00:06:10,621 --> 00:06:13,248 A lot of those reports that I'm looking at, 77 00:06:13,283 --> 00:06:15,987 I am now thinking, are more in the realm 78 00:06:16,022 --> 00:06:19,628 of the Dogman, werewolf, sightings than a typical Bigfoot sighting. 79 00:06:21,324 --> 00:06:24,567 It's always seemed like Dogman is a bit aggressive in nature, 80 00:06:24,602 --> 00:06:27,031 because you hear so many stories of people that see it, 81 00:06:27,066 --> 00:06:28,835 and it chases them out of an area, 82 00:06:28,870 --> 00:06:30,507 or it bites them. 83 00:06:30,542 --> 00:06:33,873 There are multiple sightings up from here in the region where... 84 00:06:33,908 --> 00:06:35,677 ELIJAH HENDERSON: people just see it running across the trail 85 00:06:35,712 --> 00:06:38,812 or it doesn't chase them, you...you know, they'll just see it. 86 00:06:38,847 --> 00:06:40,341 It's like every encounter you hear 87 00:06:40,376 --> 00:06:42,277 that they're described just a little bit different. 88 00:06:42,312 --> 00:06:45,654 People say it looked like the werewolf from the movie Silver Bullet. 89 00:06:45,689 --> 00:06:47,480 Or you'll hear somebody say, 90 00:06:47,515 --> 00:06:49,317 "Well, uh, the legs and the arms 91 00:06:49,352 --> 00:06:50,824 looked like a canine, but it... 92 00:06:50,859 --> 00:06:52,353 stood up on two legs 93 00:06:52,388 --> 00:06:55,323 it kind of had a coyote head, but it was much larger." 94 00:06:55,358 --> 00:06:56,764 So, it's a... 95 00:06:56,799 --> 00:06:58,161 it's a little strange in that way, 96 00:06:58,196 --> 00:06:59,602 you hear a lot of different types. 97 00:06:59,637 --> 00:07:02,000 They all seem to differ, in some little manner. 98 00:07:04,103 --> 00:07:06,499 SHANE GROVE: So anywhere in the Midwest, 99 00:07:06,534 --> 00:07:08,501 I mean, it just makes perfect sense. 100 00:07:08,536 --> 00:07:10,305 And there's...there's a lot of cover. 101 00:07:10,340 --> 00:07:11,471 I mean, there's still... 102 00:07:11,506 --> 00:07:13,748 uh, in the Midwest and Central America. 103 00:07:13,783 --> 00:07:14,848 There's... North America, 104 00:07:14,883 --> 00:07:16,377 GROVE: there's a lot of... 105 00:07:16,412 --> 00:07:19,281 wide open spaces and a lot of woods. 106 00:07:19,316 --> 00:07:23,692 And a lot of places where a single person jogging down a road, 107 00:07:23,727 --> 00:07:26,387 looks like a tasty, tasty meal. 108 00:07:26,422 --> 00:07:27,696 If that's... 109 00:07:27,731 --> 00:07:29,291 If that's what their intent is, 110 00:07:29,326 --> 00:07:31,491 or if their intent is... 111 00:07:31,526 --> 00:07:33,361 "Just stay away from where we're guarding. 112 00:07:33,396 --> 00:07:36,639 We don't want you, you know, we don't want you messing... 113 00:07:36,674 --> 00:07:38,707 with what... what we're protecting." 114 00:07:49,753 --> 00:07:52,688 Bucyrus, as I understand, 115 00:07:52,723 --> 00:07:55,515 was founded in [CHUCKLES] 1821. 116 00:07:55,550 --> 00:07:59,695 Uh, it was given the name "Bucyrus", by Colonel James Kilbourne. 117 00:07:59,730 --> 00:08:01,994 [CAPTIVATING INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 118 00:08:02,029 --> 00:08:04,227 I don't know what his interest was in Bucyrus, 119 00:08:04,262 --> 00:08:07,868 but, we're forever cursed with a name, that nobody could pronounce. 120 00:08:09,168 --> 00:08:10,838 Yeah, it's been around a long time. 121 00:08:13,909 --> 00:08:15,040 Grew up here? Yep. 122 00:08:15,075 --> 00:08:17,713 North of town, out in the country. 123 00:08:17,748 --> 00:08:20,573 It's a quiet... existence growing up, because, 124 00:08:20,608 --> 00:08:21,948 because, I mean, 125 00:08:21,983 --> 00:08:24,214 Bucyrus is a small town. 126 00:08:24,249 --> 00:08:25,578 But I grew up... 127 00:08:25,613 --> 00:08:27,921 very rural... like nine miles outside of town. 128 00:08:32,730 --> 00:08:35,588 So, you know, we visited our grandparents in town, 129 00:08:35,623 --> 00:08:39,999 and it was a nice Middle America small town. 130 00:08:40,034 --> 00:08:42,034 Leave It To Beaver could have been filmed... 131 00:08:42,069 --> 00:08:43,937 you know, on one of the streets. 132 00:08:43,972 --> 00:08:44,905 Uh... 133 00:08:44,940 --> 00:08:47,303 Just a nice place to grow up. 134 00:08:47,338 --> 00:08:49,943 LEUTHOLD: People, you know, the...the people here, 135 00:08:49,978 --> 00:08:52,539 are pretty... down-to-earth people. 136 00:08:52,574 --> 00:08:53,881 You know, we have, uh, 137 00:08:53,916 --> 00:08:56,477 essentially a makeup of people who was born here, 138 00:08:56,512 --> 00:08:59,656 and a lot of people that migrated from Kentucky. 139 00:09:02,485 --> 00:09:04,551 As a kid, 140 00:09:04,586 --> 00:09:06,993 you know, my grandparents would tell us 141 00:09:07,028 --> 00:09:09,897 stories about a creature that 142 00:09:09,932 --> 00:09:13,296 that they refer to as the Bobo. 143 00:09:13,331 --> 00:09:15,529 Bobo...The other thing I can figure, Bobo 144 00:09:15,564 --> 00:09:17,234 was some sort of... 145 00:09:17,269 --> 00:09:21,502 some sort of, you know, bipedal... you know, hominid. 146 00:09:21,537 --> 00:09:23,944 And then they also told us a story about a creature 147 00:09:23,979 --> 00:09:26,342 by the name of Raw Head and Bloody Bones. 148 00:09:26,377 --> 00:09:28,377 Which, I had no idea what that was, 149 00:09:28,412 --> 00:09:31,754 but I presumed it was some version of the Boogeyman. 150 00:09:31,789 --> 00:09:33,756 And so years later, when you have the Internet, 151 00:09:33,791 --> 00:09:35,318 I've... I've actually looked it up, 152 00:09:35,353 --> 00:09:38,255 and, uh, my grandmother on my mother's side 153 00:09:38,290 --> 00:09:40,829 came from the Tennessee area. 154 00:09:40,864 --> 00:09:42,457 Uh, in North Carolina, 155 00:09:42,492 --> 00:09:44,063 in that mountainous area there. 156 00:09:44,098 --> 00:09:46,296 And it turns out that Raw Head and Bloody Bones 157 00:09:46,331 --> 00:09:49,838 date all the way back to 15th Century England. 158 00:09:49,873 --> 00:09:51,268 And you know, 159 00:09:51,303 --> 00:09:53,270 immigrants came over, and the stories came over 160 00:09:53,305 --> 00:09:56,009 and over the years, "Be careful going to the woods. 161 00:09:56,044 --> 00:09:57,241 "The Bobo'll getcha. 162 00:09:57,276 --> 00:09:59,144 Raw Head and Bloody Bones will get you." 163 00:09:59,179 --> 00:10:00,717 You know, things like that. 164 00:10:00,752 --> 00:10:03,346 My parents were no-nonsense. 165 00:10:03,381 --> 00:10:05,546 Uh, my dad would have never... 166 00:10:05,581 --> 00:10:08,824 even entertained the idea of a ghost 167 00:10:08,859 --> 00:10:12,795 or some sort of monster running around. 168 00:10:12,830 --> 00:10:14,731 GROVE: It was a different time 169 00:10:14,766 --> 00:10:17,129 uh, growing up in the '70s. 170 00:10:17,164 --> 00:10:20,033 Uh, people, especially in rural America, 171 00:10:20,068 --> 00:10:22,266 the... that was nonsense to them. 172 00:10:22,301 --> 00:10:23,465 So [CHUCKLES]... 173 00:10:23,500 --> 00:10:25,005 I mean, there's no other way to put it. 174 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,777 And my... probably my dad's solution would have been, 175 00:10:27,812 --> 00:10:30,703 "Hey, if there's a dog, a Dogman or Bigfoot out there, we'll just shoot it." 176 00:10:30,738 --> 00:10:32,947 You know werewolves were... 177 00:10:32,982 --> 00:10:36,709 ...Lon Chaney Jr. On TV8. 178 00:10:36,744 --> 00:10:39,888 LEUTHOLD: And that's my reference to werewolves. 179 00:10:39,923 --> 00:10:42,649 Was, you know, the werewolf, Lon Chaney Jr. 180 00:10:42,684 --> 00:10:44,189 With the...torn plaid shirt, 181 00:10:44,224 --> 00:10:46,026 and the flat face, 182 00:10:46,061 --> 00:10:49,392 and running around, grabbing women and running off with them. 183 00:10:56,566 --> 00:11:00,810 My encounter happened way back in 1972, 184 00:11:00,845 --> 00:11:02,812 between Yellow Springs and Clifton. 185 00:11:03,881 --> 00:11:06,178 [STIRRING INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 186 00:11:11,350 --> 00:11:15,055 LUTZ: It started out as a... most likely a Friday night, 187 00:11:15,090 --> 00:11:17,717 because I was allowed to be out on Friday nights. 188 00:11:17,752 --> 00:11:20,159 I was about 17 at the time. 189 00:11:20,194 --> 00:11:22,865 Out with the boyfriend, 190 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:25,593 and another couple, we had two different... 191 00:11:25,628 --> 00:11:27,969 we had two cars, two sets of us, 192 00:11:28,004 --> 00:11:30,873 and... well, you know how kids are. 193 00:11:30,908 --> 00:11:33,942 We were out going to "park". 194 00:11:33,977 --> 00:11:35,735 [FAINT SOUNDS OF DRIVING] 195 00:11:35,770 --> 00:11:39,915 LUTZ: We, uh, go down the road, and the bridge is totally out, 196 00:11:39,950 --> 00:11:41,147 there's just the barricade. 197 00:11:41,182 --> 00:11:43,710 So, we... 198 00:11:43,745 --> 00:11:47,582 turn around and make sure that both of the vehicles are facing out. 199 00:11:47,617 --> 00:11:49,716 So if the cops come along, 200 00:11:49,751 --> 00:11:51,586 you know, "We were just leaving anyway. 201 00:11:51,621 --> 00:11:52,928 -"No big deal." -[CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS] 202 00:11:54,558 --> 00:11:56,459 Really, really dark. 203 00:11:56,494 --> 00:11:58,197 It was probably... 204 00:11:58,232 --> 00:12:00,034 it was cloudy, I don't know. 205 00:12:00,069 --> 00:12:01,761 [SINISTER INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 206 00:12:01,796 --> 00:12:03,598 There were no leaves on the trees. 207 00:12:04,469 --> 00:12:06,172 But it wasn't real cold, 208 00:12:06,207 --> 00:12:09,274 so it was a perfect night to be standing out and laughing. 209 00:12:13,676 --> 00:12:16,149 I was leaning on... 210 00:12:16,184 --> 00:12:18,415 the car with my boyfriend. 211 00:12:18,450 --> 00:12:21,022 Nice muscle car, back then. 212 00:12:21,057 --> 00:12:22,925 So I'm leaning... 213 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,817 We're talking with the other couple 214 00:12:24,852 --> 00:12:26,291 who's leaning on... 215 00:12:26,326 --> 00:12:28,062 their car, I don't know how long we'd been there, 216 00:12:28,097 --> 00:12:31,296 maybe 15-20 minutes? 217 00:12:35,038 --> 00:12:38,435 There was gravel on the berm of the road. 218 00:12:38,470 --> 00:12:40,107 And now remember, this is... 219 00:12:40,142 --> 00:12:42,274 just one way in and one way out, 220 00:12:42,309 --> 00:12:43,473 because the bridge is out. 221 00:12:45,510 --> 00:12:47,917 Well, there's gravel on the berm. 222 00:12:47,952 --> 00:12:51,448 There's a brush row next to a creek, 223 00:12:51,483 --> 00:12:53,956 and I see 224 00:12:53,991 --> 00:12:57,355 eye shine, meaning an animal, 225 00:12:57,390 --> 00:13:00,028 up in the trees, or so I'd thought. 226 00:13:01,889 --> 00:13:03,724 I mentioned out, 227 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:06,529 "I wonder if that's a possum, or a raccoon, or what's up there?" 228 00:13:07,796 --> 00:13:09,400 And then... 229 00:13:09,435 --> 00:13:11,336 something walked out. 230 00:13:12,174 --> 00:13:14,075 And it wasn't a possum, 231 00:13:14,110 --> 00:13:16,407 it wasn't a raccoon. It was a... 232 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:18,541 a creature. 233 00:13:18,576 --> 00:13:20,543 I have no idea 234 00:13:20,578 --> 00:13:24,151 at the time what it was, nor did anyone else. 235 00:13:24,186 --> 00:13:29,156 To this day, I can distinctly remember hearing the... 236 00:13:29,191 --> 00:13:32,423 rustling of the gravel that's on the berm. 237 00:13:35,032 --> 00:13:37,164 LUTZ: And... there's this dark creature. 238 00:13:37,199 --> 00:13:38,627 It wasn't huge. 239 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,269 Maybe five foot, five and a half foot... 240 00:13:43,304 --> 00:13:46,305 six to eight feet away from me. 241 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:48,670 When it was in the, uh, weeds, 242 00:13:48,705 --> 00:13:50,243 it had its mouth closed, 243 00:13:50,278 --> 00:13:52,509 its eyes were amber, 244 00:13:52,544 --> 00:13:55,182 almond, sort of almond-shape. 245 00:13:55,217 --> 00:13:59,582 The ears were very, very close to the head. 246 00:13:59,617 --> 00:14:02,684 LUTZ: Pointed straight up, but they weren't real long ears, 247 00:14:02,719 --> 00:14:04,290 but they were pointed straight up. 248 00:14:09,924 --> 00:14:13,035 LEUTHOLD: My belief... it was August of 1985. 249 00:14:13,070 --> 00:14:16,467 Um, at that time, there was a friend of the family, 250 00:14:16,502 --> 00:14:18,667 who, when I was a high school athlete, 251 00:14:18,702 --> 00:14:20,273 and he had asked me if I'd wanted 252 00:14:20,308 --> 00:14:21,637 to get into a fitness program, 253 00:14:21,672 --> 00:14:23,837 a running program, to be in shape. 254 00:14:23,872 --> 00:14:25,575 I said, "Sure." 255 00:14:25,610 --> 00:14:29,986 So the plan was that I was going to go out and run five miles 256 00:14:30,648 --> 00:14:32,153 in the evening. 257 00:14:32,188 --> 00:14:36,091 I lived on State Route 4, North 4381. 258 00:14:36,126 --> 00:14:38,852 At that time, really the only place for me to run 259 00:14:38,887 --> 00:14:41,954 was this little side road, just south 260 00:14:41,989 --> 00:14:44,132 of my house called Temple Road. 261 00:14:46,037 --> 00:14:47,729 If my memory serves me correctly, 262 00:14:47,764 --> 00:14:49,797 I was going to try to get running at, like, eight o'clock. 263 00:14:49,832 --> 00:14:52,569 And then I procrastinated, and this happened and that happened. 264 00:14:52,604 --> 00:14:55,242 And by the time I was actually ready to go run, 265 00:14:55,277 --> 00:14:56,441 it was dark. 266 00:14:56,476 --> 00:14:58,278 You know, I was a country boy. 267 00:14:58,313 --> 00:15:00,082 You know, I...I was never afraid of the dark. 268 00:15:00,117 --> 00:15:02,315 So going out and running down a country road at night, 269 00:15:02,350 --> 00:15:04,746 didn't bother me at all. 270 00:15:04,781 --> 00:15:07,551 I left my house, it was probably little after nine, 271 00:15:07,586 --> 00:15:09,993 and it just... it had just gotten dark. 272 00:15:10,787 --> 00:15:12,226 But it was a very clear night. 273 00:15:12,261 --> 00:15:13,623 I mean, it was really clear, 274 00:15:13,658 --> 00:15:14,822 visibility was good. 275 00:15:14,857 --> 00:15:16,956 I start down Temple Road, 276 00:15:16,991 --> 00:15:19,926 and at that time, on the right hand side, 277 00:15:19,961 --> 00:15:21,994 which would be the north side of the road, 278 00:15:22,029 --> 00:15:24,469 there was corn, on the left side, 279 00:15:24,504 --> 00:15:26,339 which should be the south side of Temple Road, 280 00:15:26,374 --> 00:15:27,769 it was all beans. 281 00:15:27,804 --> 00:15:30,838 And it stayed like that all the way for one mile. 282 00:15:30,873 --> 00:15:31,938 So... 283 00:15:31,973 --> 00:15:34,380 I made it down the State Route 19, 284 00:15:34,415 --> 00:15:35,843 and I was on my way back, 285 00:15:35,878 --> 00:15:39,385 and as I approached Flickinger Road on the way back, 286 00:15:39,420 --> 00:15:41,882 which meant that I had one mile to go, 287 00:15:42,753 --> 00:15:44,819 I got this weird feeling. 288 00:15:44,854 --> 00:15:46,755 It's this kind of feeling that 289 00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:48,724 you know, something's wrong, 290 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:51,232 and you know, there's... something's watching you. 291 00:15:51,861 --> 00:15:53,366 And... 292 00:15:53,401 --> 00:15:56,831 I felt like it was coming from those woods, so I stopped. 293 00:15:56,866 --> 00:15:59,669 I don't know why I stopped, but I stopped, 294 00:15:59,704 --> 00:16:01,407 and I looked into the woods... 295 00:16:02,509 --> 00:16:03,871 and I didn't see anything. 296 00:16:03,906 --> 00:16:06,973 I...I didn't hear anything, I didn't see anything. 297 00:16:07,008 --> 00:16:09,349 As I was about to start running again, 298 00:16:09,384 --> 00:16:12,748 in the cornfield, I see the corn start moving. 299 00:16:15,423 --> 00:16:16,917 -Whatever it was... -[LEAVES RUSTLING] 300 00:16:16,952 --> 00:16:21,361 ...it was really big because a lot of corn was moving. 301 00:16:21,396 --> 00:16:23,264 I mean, a lot of corn is moving, 302 00:16:23,299 --> 00:16:25,332 and then all of a sudden, it stopped. 303 00:16:25,367 --> 00:16:27,763 And I thought, "Wow, that's strange." 304 00:16:27,798 --> 00:16:29,237 And so I said, "Well, I'mma get out of here." 305 00:16:29,272 --> 00:16:31,503 So I take off running, 306 00:16:31,538 --> 00:16:33,571 and when I took off running 307 00:16:33,606 --> 00:16:35,375 whatever was in the corn... 308 00:16:35,410 --> 00:16:37,839 takes off running, too. 309 00:16:37,874 --> 00:16:40,512 And that's what startled me, really, 310 00:16:40,547 --> 00:16:42,745 because that's not how deer behave. 311 00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:44,219 Deer gets, you know, 312 00:16:44,254 --> 00:16:45,682 deer gets scared or they get startled, 313 00:16:45,717 --> 00:16:47,750 or they get surprised, and they just take off running. 314 00:16:47,785 --> 00:16:50,885 But this thing started running with me. 315 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,623 And when I say it started running with me, 316 00:16:53,197 --> 00:16:55,197 it was pacing me. 317 00:16:55,232 --> 00:16:57,232 SHANE: It...and it kind of freaked me out, 318 00:16:57,267 --> 00:16:59,366 so I stopped. 319 00:16:59,401 --> 00:17:01,566 And when I stopped... 320 00:17:01,601 --> 00:17:03,238 it stopped. 321 00:17:03,273 --> 00:17:06,241 To this day, I think it would've had to been, at least 322 00:17:06,276 --> 00:17:08,276 three rows in. 323 00:17:08,311 --> 00:17:11,906 And so I remember stopping thinking, 324 00:17:11,941 --> 00:17:14,249 'How does it know that I stopped?' 325 00:17:14,284 --> 00:17:17,681 So I stood there, and as I stood there, staring at the corn, 326 00:17:17,716 --> 00:17:19,848 I mean, not a single stalk moved. 327 00:17:19,883 --> 00:17:22,323 I mean, it was perfectly, just still. 328 00:17:22,358 --> 00:17:24,325 Like this thing that was in the corn, 329 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:27,724 like it was just perfectly still. 330 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:29,858 And I don't know how long I stood there, 331 00:17:29,893 --> 00:17:31,893 but it spooked me. 332 00:17:31,928 --> 00:17:34,269 And... not knowing what it was, 333 00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:35,930 I said, "That's it, I'm taking off." 334 00:17:35,965 --> 00:17:37,096 So... 335 00:17:37,131 --> 00:17:38,801 and when I took off, 336 00:17:38,836 --> 00:17:41,100 it takes off simultaneously. 337 00:17:41,476 --> 00:17:42,739 and... 338 00:17:42,774 --> 00:17:45,137 it's pacing me, and I start running faster, 339 00:17:45,172 --> 00:17:46,842 and it starts running faster. 340 00:17:48,450 --> 00:17:51,616 I realize... this thing's stalking me. 341 00:17:51,651 --> 00:17:53,519 Whatever...whatever is in the corn. 342 00:17:53,554 --> 00:17:56,918 I realize when I get to Route 4, 343 00:17:56,953 --> 00:17:59,624 I'm going to have to turn left to go home. 344 00:17:59,659 --> 00:18:02,561 And I'm just...assuming this thing stays in the corn. 345 00:18:02,596 --> 00:18:03,958 SHANE: Assuming it did. 346 00:18:03,993 --> 00:18:05,993 When I get to Route 4 and I turn left to go home, 347 00:18:06,028 --> 00:18:07,995 I'm gonna run right into it, I'm going to intersect with it. 348 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,305 And... 349 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:13,803 One of my best friends who lived just down the road from me, 350 00:18:14,443 --> 00:18:16,542 he was to the right. 351 00:18:16,577 --> 00:18:19,413 So...my thought is "Okay." 352 00:18:19,448 --> 00:18:21,844 "I'm not going to turn left and go home, because I don't want this... 353 00:18:21,879 --> 00:18:23,846 I don't want to intersect with this thing, 354 00:18:23,881 --> 00:18:25,177 so I am going to cut right." 355 00:18:25,212 --> 00:18:26,783 So, I made up my mind. 356 00:18:26,818 --> 00:18:29,654 I was just going to stay on the road. 357 00:18:29,689 --> 00:18:33,328 And when I get to Route 4, I'm going to cut right, 358 00:18:33,363 --> 00:18:35,121 I'm gonna run to his house. 359 00:18:35,156 --> 00:18:38,927 So I realized that as I'm going to get there, 360 00:18:38,962 --> 00:18:41,798 there...I'm gonna run out of corn. 361 00:18:41,833 --> 00:18:43,503 So whatever is in this corn 362 00:18:43,538 --> 00:18:46,671 is going to come out before I actually get to Route 4. 363 00:18:48,037 --> 00:18:51,038 So, I told myself, "Don't look." 364 00:18:51,073 --> 00:18:53,612 And the reason why I said, in my mind, 365 00:18:53,647 --> 00:18:55,251 "Don't look." Because... 366 00:18:55,286 --> 00:18:57,044 I had no idea what it was. 367 00:18:57,079 --> 00:18:59,321 And part of me thought, 368 00:18:59,356 --> 00:19:02,456 "If I looked, I might freeze up." 369 00:19:02,491 --> 00:19:04,084 I'm coming to the end of the corn, 370 00:19:05,021 --> 00:19:06,295 and... 371 00:19:06,330 --> 00:19:08,396 I looked, I couldn't help myself. 372 00:19:08,431 --> 00:19:10,530 I...I...I could not help myself. 373 00:19:10,565 --> 00:19:13,863 As I'm running, I kind of turned my body like this, 374 00:19:13,898 --> 00:19:15,733 to just kind of, like... 375 00:19:15,768 --> 00:19:17,229 side shuffle, 376 00:19:17,264 --> 00:19:19,033 and that's when I saw it. 377 00:19:21,070 --> 00:19:24,412 This thing emerges from the corn, 378 00:19:24,447 --> 00:19:26,315 and it was about six feet tall, 379 00:19:26,350 --> 00:19:28,350 because that's how tall the corn was. 380 00:19:29,276 --> 00:19:30,979 And, it... 381 00:19:31,014 --> 00:19:32,552 had the head of a dog, 382 00:19:33,423 --> 00:19:35,555 high pointed ears. 383 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:38,921 SHANE: And it's shoulders were rolled like this, 384 00:19:38,956 --> 00:19:42,254 like it had, like, terrible pos...like a person with terrible posture. 385 00:19:42,289 --> 00:19:46,698 It's shoulder rolled and its arms were long, 386 00:19:46,733 --> 00:19:49,866 and, I remember, it just turned its head 387 00:19:49,901 --> 00:19:51,604 like this and looked at me. 388 00:19:53,575 --> 00:19:56,543 I saw its head, I saw the ears. 389 00:19:56,578 --> 00:19:59,612 Could I tell you what color its fur was? No. 390 00:19:59,647 --> 00:20:02,175 It could have been real dark gray, it could have been black. 391 00:20:02,210 --> 00:20:03,616 It could have been dark brown. 392 00:20:03,651 --> 00:20:06,751 I can't tell you what color the fur was for sure. 393 00:20:06,786 --> 00:20:09,886 The interesting thing is, when I saw it, 394 00:20:09,921 --> 00:20:12,284 I didn't immediately think werewolf. 395 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:14,429 I just didn't, because... 396 00:20:14,464 --> 00:20:16,893 as we talked about, my frame of reference 397 00:20:16,928 --> 00:20:21,667 for what a werewolf was, was something I had seen on TV8. 398 00:20:21,702 --> 00:20:27,233 It was a man with a flat face, and it wore torn, tattered clothes. 399 00:20:27,268 --> 00:20:29,411 It did not look like what I saw. 400 00:20:29,446 --> 00:20:31,875 And the only frame of reference that I had, 401 00:20:31,910 --> 00:20:35,714 was it looked just like the Egyptian God, Anubis. 402 00:20:35,749 --> 00:20:37,749 That's the best way I can describe it. 403 00:20:42,118 --> 00:20:45,790 There was an almost a crackling feeling. 404 00:20:45,825 --> 00:20:48,254 The hair on the back of my neck stood up. 405 00:20:48,289 --> 00:20:52,401 Almost like a static, static electricity, maybe. 406 00:20:56,363 --> 00:21:02,345 LUTZ: And, I suppose that's a sixth sense, saying, "It's time to leave." 407 00:21:05,812 --> 00:21:11,849 I don't know whose voice it was, and I hear "Let's go, now." 408 00:21:11,884 --> 00:21:15,655 I run around and the creature, 409 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:18,493 it didn't move like a human. 410 00:21:18,528 --> 00:21:22,662 LUTZ: Maybe, it moved like a dog that's walking on its hind legs. 411 00:21:22,697 --> 00:21:25,863 It almost moved kangaroo-like. 412 00:21:25,898 --> 00:21:29,130 Like the legs were bent the wrong way. 413 00:21:29,165 --> 00:21:32,034 That's sort of freakier than about anything, 414 00:21:32,069 --> 00:21:34,575 is to see something that 415 00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:37,677 your mind does not want to grasp. 416 00:21:37,712 --> 00:21:40,372 And it's on two legs. 417 00:21:40,407 --> 00:21:46,620 LUTZ: It kind of does a hop, skipping motion, not very many feet. 418 00:21:46,655 --> 00:21:50,052 It followed me, which was no big deal and it was so close. 419 00:21:50,087 --> 00:21:55,189 It did its hop skipping motion and I could see it out of my periphery. 420 00:21:55,224 --> 00:21:57,895 And it followed me as I ran around. 421 00:21:57,930 --> 00:22:02,031 I managed to get into my, uh, passenger side. 422 00:22:02,066 --> 00:22:07,333 And, as he pulls off, because there was so much gravel, 423 00:22:07,368 --> 00:22:09,973 the gravel was spinning some, 424 00:22:10,008 --> 00:22:14,208 and it was running alongside of the car, 425 00:22:14,243 --> 00:22:18,685 looking at me, straight, you know, straight in the eye. 426 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,051 It's really hard to explain unless you've ever had 427 00:22:22,086 --> 00:22:25,318 something that maybe can't be explained. 428 00:22:25,353 --> 00:22:27,892 You know, that's happened to you. 429 00:22:27,927 --> 00:22:31,500 I simply focused on the eyes and its movement, 430 00:22:31,535 --> 00:22:34,701 because its movement was so unusual to me. 431 00:22:34,736 --> 00:22:38,804 I really can't say how many feet it followed, 432 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:41,708 hopping along, beside the car. 433 00:22:41,743 --> 00:22:43,908 But, I sort of felt in danger. 434 00:22:43,943 --> 00:22:47,010 I wasn't terrified because 435 00:22:47,045 --> 00:22:50,585 nothing was going into my head the way it should. 436 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:55,216 I guess it's what happens when you encounter something 437 00:22:55,251 --> 00:22:58,494 that you have no parameters for what it is. 438 00:23:01,257 --> 00:23:04,929 And when I saw it, I did kind of pause. 439 00:23:04,964 --> 00:23:09,098 I didn't freeze, but I did kind of pause, and I looked at it. 440 00:23:09,133 --> 00:23:12,101 LEUTHOLD: Like I said, there's weeds, wildflowers 441 00:23:12,136 --> 00:23:14,708 and other stuff that runs right up to the corn. 442 00:23:14,743 --> 00:23:18,404 So all I could see was from, like, thigh down, 443 00:23:18,439 --> 00:23:20,208 so I don't know what his feet look like. 444 00:23:20,243 --> 00:23:22,650 I don't know what its knees look like or anything like that. 445 00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:25,785 But, I saw its torso. 446 00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:28,216 It... But, when it turned and looked at me, 447 00:23:28,251 --> 00:23:32,957 it just looked like it had this massive chest. 448 00:23:32,992 --> 00:23:34,728 So I take off across Route 4. 449 00:23:34,763 --> 00:23:37,731 So, I'm, I'm gunning it as fast as I can. 450 00:23:37,766 --> 00:23:41,570 This thing has dropped to all fours and is chasing me. 451 00:23:41,605 --> 00:23:43,671 As I'm getting closer to my buddy's house, 452 00:23:43,706 --> 00:23:46,872 I knew that they had an in-ground pool. 453 00:23:46,907 --> 00:23:49,677 And they had a fence around, a chain link fence. 454 00:23:49,712 --> 00:23:54,176 But as I'm getting closer, I look and I see the gates shut. 455 00:23:54,211 --> 00:23:56,079 I was like, "Oh." [EXHALES NERVOUSLY] 456 00:23:56,114 --> 00:23:58,279 And I know if this thing is following me, 457 00:23:58,314 --> 00:24:00,655 my only options is, I'm just going to have to jump the fence. 458 00:24:00,690 --> 00:24:04,351 LEUTHOLD: So I jump and I throw my feet up like in the air, 459 00:24:04,386 --> 00:24:06,518 like the old Fosbury flop high jump. 460 00:24:06,553 --> 00:24:09,389 And I put my hand on the top of the fence and it was scalloped. 461 00:24:09,424 --> 00:24:10,489 I remember this. 462 00:24:10,524 --> 00:24:12,667 It had those, y'know, the scallops. 463 00:24:12,702 --> 00:24:15,835 And I pushed it down and when I did, and then it popped back up, 464 00:24:15,870 --> 00:24:18,871 it just slashed me right across my side. 465 00:24:18,906 --> 00:24:24,008 I land in like a stumbling motion, and I just dive headfirst into the pool. 466 00:24:24,043 --> 00:24:26,175 LEUTHOLD: And I'm blowing out my breath and I am going down 467 00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:30,146 and I can feel it, I can still feel it, sliding out the pool. It was ten feet deep. 468 00:24:30,181 --> 00:24:32,214 I'm sliding down. 469 00:24:32,249 --> 00:24:34,887 I blow all the air out and I get to the bottom. 470 00:24:34,922 --> 00:24:40,728 And I somehow pinch my nose and I look up and I am fully expecting to see this thing, 471 00:24:40,763 --> 00:24:43,698 with the rolled shoulders and the dog head, 472 00:24:43,733 --> 00:24:46,492 and the big chest sitting on the side of the pool. 473 00:24:48,595 --> 00:24:51,497 But it seemed like a long time, I was on the bottom pool and I'm looking up, 474 00:24:51,532 --> 00:24:52,608 and I'm looking up 475 00:24:53,908 --> 00:24:55,567 and I don't see anything. 476 00:24:55,602 --> 00:24:58,240 So I'm like, [WHISPERS] "Oh, my God." 477 00:24:58,275 --> 00:25:00,979 I climb up out of the pool and I run. 478 00:25:01,014 --> 00:25:04,477 And I rip that door open as hard as I can. 479 00:25:04,512 --> 00:25:09,350 And my buddy was sitting there, he screams and I scream. 480 00:25:09,385 --> 00:25:11,517 And I slammed the door. 481 00:25:12,223 --> 00:25:13,585 And I remember screaming, 482 00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:15,026 "Turn the lights out, turn the lights out." 483 00:25:16,029 --> 00:25:17,699 And he has no idea what's going on. 484 00:25:17,734 --> 00:25:20,834 So we turn the lights out and I'm just looking out the windows. 485 00:25:20,869 --> 00:25:24,431 I'm looking out the windows, thinking, "Is this thing out there?" 486 00:25:29,141 --> 00:25:31,911 LEUTHOLD: The next night, I played cards with guys 487 00:25:31,946 --> 00:25:33,847 on the basketball team, 488 00:25:33,882 --> 00:25:35,948 and I told them the story. 489 00:25:35,983 --> 00:25:38,247 But I did not tell them what I saw. 490 00:25:38,282 --> 00:25:42,086 I vividly remember, um, the next night. 491 00:25:42,121 --> 00:25:43,857 We were at a friend's house. 492 00:25:43,892 --> 00:25:47,586 So we're all in the garage, outside, playing cards. 493 00:25:47,621 --> 00:25:50,424 It was a... It was a bunch of us guys, that went to high school together. 494 00:25:50,459 --> 00:25:53,966 And he's telling the story about outrunning, 495 00:25:54,001 --> 00:25:57,838 and having something pacing him in the cornfield. 496 00:25:57,873 --> 00:26:03,910 We... We were all teammates, and what teammates do is we give each other a bunch of crap. 497 00:26:03,945 --> 00:26:06,913 He probably already got enough crap from us as it was, 498 00:26:06,948 --> 00:26:09,014 so he didn't want to get any more. 499 00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:14,250 And... And you don't want to be called crazy, y'know, but he did tell us the story. 500 00:26:14,285 --> 00:26:16,450 I remember the story and he's asking, like, 501 00:26:16,485 --> 00:26:18,958 "What do you guys think this was?" 502 00:26:18,993 --> 00:26:23,732 And, nobody had an answer. 503 00:26:23,767 --> 00:26:27,263 LEUTHOLD: When I did the research, I found out that on Flickinger Road 504 00:26:27,298 --> 00:26:29,903 to just down on Flickinger Road, 505 00:26:29,938 --> 00:26:32,598 is at least two Indian burial grounds. 506 00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:37,504 So, that made me start thinking in a, in a totally different way 507 00:26:37,539 --> 00:26:39,275 than what I always thought. 508 00:26:39,310 --> 00:26:43,279 For years I had thought, this is a flesh and blood creature. 509 00:26:43,314 --> 00:26:45,545 That it's wolf-like or dog-like, 510 00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:48,482 and no one seems to catch them because they are really fast. 511 00:26:48,517 --> 00:26:50,792 They're really smart, they're really stealthy. 512 00:26:50,827 --> 00:26:56,358 Now my mindset has switched to, um, "I think these are supernatural creatures." 513 00:26:57,526 --> 00:26:59,394 That's my opinion. 514 00:26:59,429 --> 00:27:03,563 I revisited where this happened about a year and a half ago. 515 00:27:03,598 --> 00:27:04,872 I hadn't been... 516 00:27:04,907 --> 00:27:08,942 I hadn't been back in those many, many years. 517 00:27:08,977 --> 00:27:11,670 LUTZ: I found out there's Indian mounds there. 518 00:27:11,705 --> 00:27:18,754 Adena Indians, which are very, were very common in this part of Ohio. 519 00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:22,450 I've read, where your Dogman, for some reason, 520 00:27:22,485 --> 00:27:26,322 are found or seen frequently 521 00:27:26,357 --> 00:27:27,763 where there's Indian mounds, 522 00:27:28,656 --> 00:27:30,227 so I don't know. 523 00:27:30,262 --> 00:27:33,164 Y'know, I just, I don't know what to say to that. 524 00:27:33,199 --> 00:27:38,103 GROVE: If you believe the aspect of a Dogman, werewolf creature 525 00:27:38,138 --> 00:27:41,700 being more supernatural than natural, 526 00:27:41,735 --> 00:27:47,673 you can't hardly go any, anywhere here and not have a Native American settlement. 527 00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:54,020 It just lends itself to that angle of these creatures 528 00:27:54,055 --> 00:27:59,355 being y'know, the guardians of the Native American burial mounds, 529 00:27:59,390 --> 00:28:00,653 or grounds. 530 00:28:07,365 --> 00:28:10,762 My name is Adam Davis, and I've... 531 00:28:10,797 --> 00:28:14,271 After personal experiences, initially with Dogman, 532 00:28:14,306 --> 00:28:20,574 I've been a researcher since about, officially since, about 2005. 533 00:28:20,609 --> 00:28:27,482 The... My initial, actual sighting was in 2005, back in October 19th. 534 00:28:27,517 --> 00:28:33,455 After we had initially started hearing about 535 00:28:33,490 --> 00:28:37,690 different howling reports of everything out around 536 00:28:37,725 --> 00:28:41,001 uh, the Germantown and Liberty, Ohio area. 537 00:28:44,501 --> 00:28:48,239 My girlfriend and I decided to go out to Anthony Road and... 538 00:28:49,572 --> 00:28:51,605 And to see if we could find any tracks. 539 00:28:52,641 --> 00:28:54,443 And as we crossed the bridge, 540 00:28:55,886 --> 00:28:58,150 I was doing my usual thing, 541 00:28:58,185 --> 00:29:00,284 looking down at the sandbars. 542 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,121 Y'know, to see if there was anything there. 543 00:29:02,156 --> 00:29:04,123 I didn't see any tracks. 544 00:29:04,158 --> 00:29:07,896 Because sometimes we would see tracks in the sand bars. 545 00:29:07,931 --> 00:29:13,462 And we got across the bridge and it kind of takes a little turn. 546 00:29:13,497 --> 00:29:16,795 And down, down a little downhill. 547 00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:21,437 And, I tell her to stop because I see something black, 548 00:29:21,472 --> 00:29:24,275 over on the right hand side of the road. 549 00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:26,145 I was... You know... 550 00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:29,841 I was on the passenger side, so it was on my side. 551 00:29:29,876 --> 00:29:33,020 And, I was... Because I was looking in the mud 552 00:29:33,055 --> 00:29:35,891 and silt and everything, to see if there was any tracks. 553 00:29:39,061 --> 00:29:43,624 I get out and I go over to it and I look at it. 554 00:29:43,659 --> 00:29:45,659 And I realize it's an article of clothing. 555 00:29:45,694 --> 00:29:51,632 It was a pair of pants, of women's brand of pants, in a petite size. 556 00:29:51,667 --> 00:29:53,568 And I pick them up and I'm looking at them. 557 00:29:53,603 --> 00:29:59,607 And there's silt on the back of the pants from where they had lain... 558 00:29:59,642 --> 00:30:06,482 lain against the dampness of the ground, and they were slightly damp from the rain. 559 00:30:06,517 --> 00:30:12,928 And then I took them and turned them around, and I realized that it was... 560 00:30:16,197 --> 00:30:17,394 [EXHALES] 561 00:30:20,069 --> 00:30:21,530 [VOICE SHAKING] I realized 562 00:30:21,565 --> 00:30:23,730 that the front of the pants... 563 00:30:23,765 --> 00:30:25,468 were just like, totally shredded. 564 00:30:27,472 --> 00:30:29,109 And matted with blood. 565 00:30:29,144 --> 00:30:33,542 And it was not dried blood or anything. 566 00:30:33,577 --> 00:30:35,379 It was just congealing. 567 00:30:36,283 --> 00:30:37,381 I look across the road, 568 00:30:38,780 --> 00:30:42,584 and I see red fabric. 569 00:30:42,619 --> 00:30:46,995 So, I mean, at this point in time, it was kind of... 570 00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:51,296 [SHAKING VOICE] And I really was starting to put together what I'm seeing. 571 00:30:51,331 --> 00:30:55,564 And, y'know, as I'm looking at it, I walk across the road 572 00:30:55,599 --> 00:31:00,173 and I find a sweater and a... and a T shirt 573 00:31:00,208 --> 00:31:02,241 that are still partially inside of each other. 574 00:31:04,047 --> 00:31:09,083 I looked... and I looked at it and there was blood there on the sweater. 575 00:31:09,118 --> 00:31:11,052 But the T-shirt was worse. 576 00:31:11,087 --> 00:31:13,956 It was shredded and matted with blood, 577 00:31:15,091 --> 00:31:18,224 and I called the police. 578 00:31:18,259 --> 00:31:21,095 I got ahold of dispatch and told them what we found. 579 00:31:22,263 --> 00:31:25,330 And, this is what really kills me. 580 00:31:27,136 --> 00:31:29,334 They laughed it off. 581 00:31:29,369 --> 00:31:33,503 They said, "Oh, it's probably just someone's trash that, that they left out there." 582 00:31:33,538 --> 00:31:35,406 It's nothing. Don't worry about it. 583 00:31:38,312 --> 00:31:42,149 So, I told my girlfriend, "We're going to go to the house." 584 00:31:42,184 --> 00:31:44,481 "We're going to get a bag and come back for this." 585 00:31:44,516 --> 00:31:47,946 Because we didn't have anything to put it in. 586 00:31:47,981 --> 00:31:52,621 It was maybe ten minutes from there to the house and back. 587 00:31:52,656 --> 00:31:55,756 We got back, those clothes were gone. 588 00:31:58,464 --> 00:32:01,861 They had taken a vehicle and driven over the places 589 00:32:01,896 --> 00:32:05,799 where those clothes were laying, where there was an imprint in the mud, 590 00:32:05,834 --> 00:32:08,967 or any trace of blood because they were, the... 591 00:32:09,002 --> 00:32:12,674 the sweater and the T-shirt were laying in... 592 00:32:12,709 --> 00:32:15,215 on the edge of the road in the, in the tall grass. 593 00:32:16,845 --> 00:32:24,851 In 2015, I wind up meeting up with this guy from Hamilton. 594 00:32:24,886 --> 00:32:30,494 He was telling us how he had been, y' know, looking at anomalous, reports, 595 00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:36,368 and everything, where he was getting descriptions of oversize, heeded prints. 596 00:32:36,403 --> 00:32:39,998 He said he was basically going from house to house, 597 00:32:40,033 --> 00:32:44,343 through the Germantown dam area, y'know, where there were... 598 00:32:44,378 --> 00:32:47,346 Where there's houses along the edge of the park. 599 00:32:47,381 --> 00:32:50,349 And, he came to this one family 600 00:32:50,384 --> 00:32:54,980 that said that in 2000... April 2006, 601 00:32:55,015 --> 00:32:58,621 their daughter went out one morning, to go out jogging 602 00:32:58,656 --> 00:33:04,198 like she usually would do, and she never came back. 603 00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:10,336 She went out jogging along Anthony Road, and up around the backside of the dam. 604 00:33:10,371 --> 00:33:14,538 [SOBS] I just dropped to my knees when I heard this. 605 00:33:14,573 --> 00:33:17,739 I mean, it was confirmation, but it was like the worst kind of confirmation. 606 00:33:21,382 --> 00:33:27,518 There was no question in my mind that if it was something that he... 607 00:33:27,553 --> 00:33:29,619 It was a Dogman that did that. 608 00:33:29,654 --> 00:33:33,986 Because, first of all, what would have happened? 609 00:33:34,021 --> 00:33:37,363 What would have happened to the body otherwise? 610 00:33:37,398 --> 00:33:41,829 The body was gone. The clothes were shredded. 611 00:33:41,864 --> 00:33:45,239 There's no bear out there. There's no cougars out there. 612 00:33:45,274 --> 00:33:47,571 There's no natural predators that would do that. 613 00:33:47,606 --> 00:33:50,607 And there is, from what I've heard of other reports, 614 00:33:50,642 --> 00:33:55,282 there are the reports of the where they will, y'know, 615 00:33:55,317 --> 00:33:59,451 essentially shred off the clothes off of a human in an attack. 616 00:33:59,486 --> 00:34:02,454 The LBLO case is one of them. 617 00:34:02,489 --> 00:34:08,053 If... from the Land Between the Lakes back in '82. 618 00:34:08,088 --> 00:34:12,497 That... They said that the victims were pretty much disrobed 619 00:34:12,532 --> 00:34:14,433 of their clothes, they were just shredded off. 620 00:34:15,733 --> 00:34:17,568 [EXHALES AND SNIFFLES] 621 00:34:17,603 --> 00:34:18,998 And I've heard of other reports. 622 00:34:19,033 --> 00:34:23,002 Where there were attacks or at least alleged attacks. 623 00:34:29,142 --> 00:34:30,647 MURPHY: Ah, there is a great deal of fear 624 00:34:30,682 --> 00:34:33,287 inherent within these particular encounters. 625 00:34:33,322 --> 00:34:38,490 It is as if a very intelligent animal 626 00:34:38,525 --> 00:34:41,790 is evaluating you. 627 00:34:41,825 --> 00:34:44,991 I've heard reports of people seeing them, 628 00:34:45,026 --> 00:34:48,830 just watching them from the trees and making no other kind of movement. 629 00:34:48,865 --> 00:34:54,440 Um, I also have taken reports from people that have claimed that they've heard them 630 00:34:54,475 --> 00:34:57,773 coming up onto the porch and trying the doorknob. 631 00:34:57,808 --> 00:35:02,679 Or, y'know, even more uncanny, trying to call them outside. 632 00:35:02,714 --> 00:35:05,352 These are the things that that raise the hackles 633 00:35:05,387 --> 00:35:07,816 on the neck and goose bumps and everything else. 634 00:35:07,851 --> 00:35:11,292 But, we are definitely dealing with not just an animal, 635 00:35:11,327 --> 00:35:12,821 we're dealing with something here 636 00:35:12,856 --> 00:35:15,054 that has a particular intelligence to it. 637 00:35:15,089 --> 00:35:18,695 MURPHY: Ah, but from all the encounters that I've... that I've taken notes on 638 00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:22,468 and the eyewitnesses I have investigated, and spoken with, 639 00:35:22,503 --> 00:35:23,997 um, it's never a pleasant encounter. 640 00:35:24,032 --> 00:35:27,198 You don't come out of this feeling enlivened in any way. 641 00:35:27,233 --> 00:35:28,507 Encounters with dogmen, 642 00:35:28,542 --> 00:35:30,641 encounters with these werewolf type beings, 643 00:35:30,676 --> 00:35:34,205 is something that, um, is the stuff of nightmares. 644 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,745 Again, people have asked me, 645 00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:39,144 "What happens whenever you encounter these things?" 646 00:35:39,179 --> 00:35:41,047 Well, we really don't know, do we? 647 00:35:41,082 --> 00:35:44,556 I mean, a lot of people go missing and are never heard from again. 648 00:35:44,591 --> 00:35:47,592 So, it might have been an encounter with one of these creatures. 649 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,800 [MYSTERIOUS MUSIC PLAYING] 650 00:36:09,418 --> 00:36:10,714 HENDERSON: Land Between the Lakes 651 00:36:10,749 --> 00:36:13,420 is the largest inland peninsula in America. 652 00:36:13,455 --> 00:36:15,554 And it wasn't always like that. 653 00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:19,019 It used to be a much smaller trickle of water coming through a couple of rivers. 654 00:36:19,054 --> 00:36:21,329 It used to be called, Between the Rivers. 655 00:36:21,364 --> 00:36:24,596 And for whatever reason, they flooded the areas 656 00:36:24,631 --> 00:36:27,434 and made Lake Barkley and Lake Kentucky. 657 00:36:27,469 --> 00:36:30,767 And that caused the creation of Land Between the Lakes. 658 00:36:30,802 --> 00:36:33,033 You got that large inland peninsula, in America. 659 00:36:33,068 --> 00:36:36,201 There are over 200 cemeteries in Land Between the Lakes, y'know. 660 00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:40,073 It's got, really a dark history because you know a lot of people's homes, 661 00:36:40,108 --> 00:36:43,109 when they were getting the area ready, they ran them out of their homes. 662 00:36:43,144 --> 00:36:45,419 The government threatened them in one way or another. 663 00:36:48,556 --> 00:36:52,888 There is a lot of dark history with this land, and I believe 664 00:36:52,923 --> 00:36:55,561 there's even a lot of cemeteries that are under water now. 665 00:36:55,596 --> 00:36:58,465 You can still go across the land and find people's old homesteads, 666 00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:01,798 where you can see the evidence where they... 667 00:37:01,833 --> 00:37:05,340 they took over the area by I reckon, eminent domain. 668 00:37:07,509 --> 00:37:10,477 Since the 1700s, before they flooded everything, 669 00:37:10,512 --> 00:37:12,270 French explorers were coming through the regions, 670 00:37:12,305 --> 00:37:15,141 and they would report that there were Rougarous in the region. 671 00:37:16,045 --> 00:37:18,045 Basically a French werewolf. 672 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,619 Y'know, they were very superstitious about that kind of thing back then. 673 00:37:20,654 --> 00:37:24,183 So, they probably thought there are werewolves in this area. 674 00:37:26,693 --> 00:37:29,595 Of all the Native American history here, 675 00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:31,828 I don't know of all the tribes that were here. 676 00:37:31,863 --> 00:37:33,929 But there is a legend of the Shawnee tribes, 677 00:37:33,964 --> 00:37:37,570 that there was a Shawnee medicine man, in the region, 678 00:37:37,605 --> 00:37:44,511 who was a skin walker and they blamed him for some of the werewolf incidents. 679 00:37:44,546 --> 00:37:46,612 HENDERSON: Some, something of that nature. 680 00:37:46,647 --> 00:37:49,945 What is so interesting about this particular area, 681 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:54,422 is, this was the area of for the Woodland Indians. 682 00:37:54,457 --> 00:38:00,956 There was a wolf cult part of that culture at one time, maybe as early as 1300. 683 00:38:00,991 --> 00:38:04,322 There's instances of mounds being uncovered, 684 00:38:04,357 --> 00:38:09,404 where the entombed person was made to appear as if 685 00:38:09,439 --> 00:38:12,440 it were an amalgamation of man and wolf. 686 00:38:12,475 --> 00:38:16,367 One particular tomb had the body wrapped in furs 687 00:38:16,402 --> 00:38:20,547 and the jaw was actually dislocated and some of the teeth were removed, 688 00:38:20,582 --> 00:38:24,045 in order to place a wolf snout over it. 689 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,455 What was going on in this area is really kind of strange, 690 00:38:27,490 --> 00:38:29,116 whenever you talk about this, 691 00:38:29,151 --> 00:38:33,021 this assuming of man and wolf at the same time. 692 00:38:33,056 --> 00:38:37,531 MURPHY: Because these mounds in which this culture was a part of, 693 00:38:37,566 --> 00:38:39,665 is very near to Defiance, Ohio, 694 00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:42,195 very near to Elkhorn, Wisconsin, 695 00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:47,508 and also very close to the area of Land Between the Lakes as well. 696 00:38:47,543 --> 00:38:48,773 HENDERSON: It's always seemed like 697 00:38:48,808 --> 00:38:51,006 Dogman is a bit aggressive in nature, 698 00:38:51,041 --> 00:38:55,010 because you hear so many stories of people that see it and it chases them out of an area. 699 00:38:55,045 --> 00:38:59,553 Uh, but, there are multiple sightings, up from here in the region where people 700 00:38:59,588 --> 00:39:04,690 just see it run across the trail or it doesn't chase them, y'know, they'll just see it. 701 00:39:04,725 --> 00:39:06,351 HENDERSON: It seems to be there's 702 00:39:06,386 --> 00:39:08,793 a physical creature of some kind, uh, y'know. 703 00:39:08,828 --> 00:39:10,729 We find footprints in the region. 704 00:39:10,764 --> 00:39:14,634 A gentleman's seen a mother Dogman and pups run across the roads. 705 00:39:14,669 --> 00:39:18,099 So, there seems to be some kind of biological animal, in the region. 706 00:39:18,134 --> 00:39:19,606 HENDERSON: Everything that we can find, y'know. 707 00:39:19,641 --> 00:39:21,432 You have families that are physically attacked. 708 00:39:21,467 --> 00:39:27,548 And, people that come up missing, people supposedly eating upon. 709 00:39:27,583 --> 00:39:30,243 It's alive, it's aggressive. It needs to eat. 710 00:39:38,792 --> 00:39:41,254 We had just moved. I was married at the time. 711 00:39:41,289 --> 00:39:43,795 And my now ex-wife, 712 00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:47,700 we had moved into this little trailer, out in the country. 713 00:39:47,735 --> 00:39:49,570 We were freshly married, 714 00:39:49,605 --> 00:39:51,297 engaged, getting ready to get married at the time. 715 00:39:51,332 --> 00:39:53,574 We got married, right as we moved in. 716 00:39:53,609 --> 00:39:55,268 BRIAN TAYLOR: And so it was our first. 717 00:39:55,303 --> 00:39:56,742 Our first place together. 718 00:39:56,777 --> 00:39:59,140 Moved in, it was peaceful and affordable 719 00:39:59,175 --> 00:40:02,044 and we were young and poor and didn't have a lot of money then. 720 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,080 So it, it was in our budget. 721 00:40:05,115 --> 00:40:06,983 And we had never... 722 00:40:07,018 --> 00:40:10,481 never had any inkling going in there? 723 00:40:10,516 --> 00:40:13,385 There was none of that feeling when we were looking at the place. 724 00:40:17,765 --> 00:40:20,359 So I mean there, there was a lot of history through that area, 725 00:40:20,394 --> 00:40:24,803 but there was, no, there was... There was slavery there, there was Union occupation. 726 00:40:24,838 --> 00:40:28,466 Ah, you know, there was, there was deaths in the area, and it was very old. 727 00:40:28,501 --> 00:40:31,975 And it, it was Native American land at one point in time, too. 728 00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:35,979 And we were, we were settled in and... 729 00:40:36,014 --> 00:40:39,983 I'm guessing within, like a month, things started to get different. 730 00:40:40,018 --> 00:40:44,515 You had... During the day, it was very peaceful and serene, 731 00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:47,320 very rural, country setting. 732 00:40:47,355 --> 00:40:51,093 At night, from the time the sun went down, from dusk until about 4 a.m., 733 00:40:51,128 --> 00:40:52,930 there was just this different vibe. 734 00:40:52,965 --> 00:40:57,000 And we would, ah... 735 00:40:57,035 --> 00:40:58,672 feel this different. 736 00:40:58,707 --> 00:41:00,971 You would just walk outside and it would just initiate 737 00:41:01,006 --> 00:41:04,040 this extreme, instant fight or flight response. 738 00:41:04,075 --> 00:41:06,977 Ah... mostly flight. There was no fight 739 00:41:07,012 --> 00:41:09,540 and you just didn't want to be out there. 740 00:41:09,575 --> 00:41:16,283 Then, we would go into this... start hearing noises and scratches outside the house. 741 00:41:16,318 --> 00:41:19,088 You would see from the old cemetery in homestead, 742 00:41:19,123 --> 00:41:23,026 which was next to where we lived. 743 00:41:23,061 --> 00:41:27,833 Ah, we started seeing red glowing eyes, and they would be seven to eight feet in the air. 744 00:41:27,868 --> 00:41:32,607 And... the shadow that you've seen was bipedal, 745 00:41:32,642 --> 00:41:36,138 and it almost looked like a... like a giant canine. 746 00:41:36,173 --> 00:41:39,977 It didn't have any, you know, human features to it. 747 00:41:40,012 --> 00:41:44,014 And seven to eight feet tall, very broad shouldered. 748 00:41:44,049 --> 00:41:49,756 And it had this, had this... canine-looking head to it. 749 00:41:49,791 --> 00:41:53,551 It didn't... you know, it just did look like a giant dog. 750 00:41:53,586 --> 00:41:59,931 And... the very first time that I... that I heard, heard anything, um... 751 00:41:59,966 --> 00:42:03,704 We had gone, gone grocery shopping on Friday night, 752 00:42:03,739 --> 00:42:07,532 gone out to eat, come home, put everything away, went to bed. 753 00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:10,777 And when we were lying in bed, and this, 754 00:42:10,812 --> 00:42:14,506 this raking of claws was going on, right outside 755 00:42:14,541 --> 00:42:18,114 outside of the house in the bedroom. 756 00:42:18,149 --> 00:42:24,021 I just, I refused to go out. We just rode it out, let it go, and... 757 00:42:24,056 --> 00:42:29,224 We went out the next morning, and the... from the area, you could hear the noise 758 00:42:29,259 --> 00:42:33,558 from what's probably, you know, seven to eight feet up off the ground. 759 00:42:33,593 --> 00:42:36,000 And, and there were no claw marks or anything, 760 00:42:36,035 --> 00:42:39,366 but we heard definitely raking of claws, the whole night long. 761 00:42:39,401 --> 00:42:43,975 And then shortly after that, ah, we were, we were in the kitchen 762 00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:46,538 and, and noticed the glowing eyes in the woods. 763 00:42:46,573 --> 00:42:49,409 And then we stepped out on the front to look and... 764 00:42:49,444 --> 00:42:53,479 And you could just see it sitting there watching and just observing us. 765 00:42:53,514 --> 00:42:56,119 And it would just do that every once in a while. 766 00:42:56,792 --> 00:42:59,551 The, the most... 767 00:42:59,586 --> 00:43:03,258 The most common thing that it did all the time was this. 768 00:43:03,293 --> 00:43:08,098 This energy that it put off, it just inundated your senses with instant fight or flight. 769 00:43:08,133 --> 00:43:12,168 And, and you could tell, the sun went down to about 4 a.m. 770 00:43:12,203 --> 00:43:15,336 You just dealt with that. And if you went outside the house, 771 00:43:15,371 --> 00:43:17,602 it, it just overwhelmed you. 772 00:43:17,637 --> 00:43:21,672 It was very, it was the most intense thing I've ever experienced in my life. 773 00:43:21,707 --> 00:43:26,116 It would be, it didn't do this every night. It would be gone for a few days, 774 00:43:26,151 --> 00:43:27,678 and then it would come back. 775 00:43:27,713 --> 00:43:30,857 And I don't know if we were just on part of its route, 776 00:43:30,892 --> 00:43:33,486 and that whole area was its territory. 777 00:43:33,521 --> 00:43:39,866 Ah, but every time... we saw the eyes, it was always in the old homestead 778 00:43:39,901 --> 00:43:43,067 at the old family cemetery. It is where it always was. 779 00:43:46,732 --> 00:43:51,273 My now ex-wife, then she would see things. And I traveled for work, which I mostly do. 780 00:43:51,308 --> 00:43:55,915 And she had things happen while I was at... I was at work. 781 00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:58,709 And it was to the point where she was like, "We have to move. 782 00:43:58,744 --> 00:44:00,381 I can't do this anymore." 783 00:44:00,416 --> 00:44:02,152 So that's when we decided to go. 784 00:44:04,255 --> 00:44:06,794 It was extremely peaceful. 785 00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:09,027 Other than that, we didn't have anything. 786 00:44:09,062 --> 00:44:13,031 And that was the only issues we had the whole time we were there. 787 00:44:13,066 --> 00:44:15,737 But I mean, we lived there six months and it made us leave. 788 00:44:16,729 --> 00:44:18,630 It was very odd. 789 00:44:18,665 --> 00:44:22,271 It was almost like it had this ability to where it was... 790 00:44:24,011 --> 00:44:26,176 kind of real and then kind of spiritual. 791 00:44:26,211 --> 00:44:29,817 Like it, it had some, some physical attributes to it. 792 00:44:29,852 --> 00:44:34,855 But, the rest of it seemed very, very supernatural and, and paranormal. 793 00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:56,734 ANONYMOUS: I was 18 when I had my first encounter. 794 00:44:56,769 --> 00:44:58,043 I was in the Bell City swamp. 795 00:44:58,078 --> 00:45:00,177 I couldn't... I used to hunt a lot. 796 00:45:00,212 --> 00:45:03,609 Every given night available, I was out in the woods. 797 00:45:03,644 --> 00:45:07,613 And I had heard about something in the woods. 798 00:45:07,648 --> 00:45:10,220 Eighteen. Stupid. I wasn't scared much. 799 00:45:10,255 --> 00:45:12,651 Took my dogs out. 800 00:45:12,686 --> 00:45:16,028 We're having a good night. We killed five coons I think that night. 801 00:45:17,724 --> 00:45:20,428 We trailed a bobcat. Just got off it. 802 00:45:20,463 --> 00:45:22,562 We went deeper, about one in the morning. 803 00:45:24,764 --> 00:45:26,940 I should have known. We didn't hear deer. 804 00:45:26,975 --> 00:45:30,306 We didn't see deer, we didn't hear crickets. 805 00:45:30,341 --> 00:45:33,375 That's all signs of big predators in the area. I should have known. 806 00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:37,951 I had two dogs come back out of three. 807 00:45:37,986 --> 00:45:42,923 And when I say two come back, they howled past me and didn't slow down. 808 00:45:42,958 --> 00:45:45,717 And these are trained coon dogs, trained to stop. 809 00:45:45,752 --> 00:45:50,557 I was worried because the one that was missing was worth about $1500, 810 00:45:50,592 --> 00:45:52,328 and she was my prize dog. 811 00:45:53,298 --> 00:45:54,528 So I went in looking. 812 00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:58,631 A smell hit me. 813 00:46:01,339 --> 00:46:05,539 I've been around dead animals. I've been around carcasses. I know what they smell like. 814 00:46:07,312 --> 00:46:10,148 It smelled like rotting meat and a wet dog. 815 00:46:11,987 --> 00:46:14,515 The growl that coming out of this animal... 816 00:46:17,487 --> 00:46:19,124 hit me in my bones. 817 00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:22,226 Just you won't forget it if you could trust me. 818 00:46:23,295 --> 00:46:25,999 I had light touched my hat. 819 00:46:26,034 --> 00:46:30,432 When I flung it around, I hit something in the eyes 820 00:46:30,467 --> 00:46:33,501 that was standing seven and a half feet off the ground at the eyes. 821 00:46:34,537 --> 00:46:38,209 Black fur... Head like a wolf. 822 00:46:38,244 --> 00:46:39,573 Plenty of hairs on top. 823 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,213 I didn't know what I was looking at. 824 00:46:43,711 --> 00:46:45,744 Here I am on the double-barrel 20 gauge. 825 00:46:46,648 --> 00:46:47,889 I'm outgunned, I know it. 826 00:46:48,914 --> 00:46:50,386 I eased away... 827 00:46:52,027 --> 00:46:53,851 backwards, trying to get away from it... 828 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,790 and... it stepped off. 829 00:46:58,825 --> 00:47:01,826 like it didn't want to be in the light. 830 00:47:01,861 --> 00:47:03,366 I tried to keep my eye on it. 831 00:47:05,205 --> 00:47:07,733 And it was gone. 832 00:47:07,768 --> 00:47:11,341 I've never seen anything move that quick. I mean, it was there. It's gone. 833 00:47:11,376 --> 00:47:13,244 I took off for the truck. 834 00:47:13,279 --> 00:47:15,950 And when I got back, the truck was facing the woods. 835 00:47:17,316 --> 00:47:18,612 My dogs went back. 836 00:47:19,516 --> 00:47:22,517 They beat me to the truck. 837 00:47:22,552 --> 00:47:27,588 When I turned the headlights on to turn the truck around, it was standing in the edge. 838 00:47:27,623 --> 00:47:29,964 Like it had followed me up until I left. 839 00:47:29,999 --> 00:47:33,198 I've been around enough animals to know if it's got claws 840 00:47:33,233 --> 00:47:36,267 and it's got teeth shaped like that. It, it don't eat plants. 841 00:47:37,831 --> 00:47:40,436 It's got big canine teeth, and it's got big, sharp claws. 842 00:47:40,471 --> 00:47:43,208 It did not go around munching on blackberries. 843 00:47:43,243 --> 00:47:47,245 My blue tip coon hound found a bloody car. 844 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,480 And it was cut in three places, and it was a solid leather strap. 845 00:47:54,617 --> 00:47:55,748 Two years ago... 846 00:47:57,125 --> 00:47:58,949 the last encounter I had, 847 00:47:58,984 --> 00:48:02,491 and the one that literally made me sell my dogs and quit coon hunting. 848 00:48:04,594 --> 00:48:06,033 Dad called me. 849 00:48:06,068 --> 00:48:07,397 Wants me to train a couple pups. 850 00:48:08,862 --> 00:48:11,104 The problem, I've done it all my life. 851 00:48:11,139 --> 00:48:12,897 Okay. Run them over. 852 00:48:12,932 --> 00:48:14,602 You run it out. Run them tonight. 853 00:48:15,308 --> 00:48:17,473 We started out. 854 00:48:17,508 --> 00:48:21,147 I had old black and tan and an old red bone. 855 00:48:22,579 --> 00:48:24,348 And Dad had his two little pups. 856 00:48:25,681 --> 00:48:27,780 Dad didn't wanna go that night. 857 00:48:27,815 --> 00:48:30,024 That's fine. I'll take him. 858 00:48:30,059 --> 00:48:33,060 It started out great, I mean Bella hit. 859 00:48:33,095 --> 00:48:36,591 My black and tan, she had a trail on me. 860 00:48:36,626 --> 00:48:41,233 We're off, we're both trying to look for the ball. 861 00:48:41,268 --> 00:48:46,997 That little bit of red bone that he had on a section of horse jaw, 862 00:48:47,032 --> 00:48:51,177 I'm guessing around 6-8 inches. 863 00:48:51,212 --> 00:48:52,211 Had teeth in it. 864 00:48:53,841 --> 00:48:57,414 I felt that was kind of funny. No feelings. 865 00:48:57,449 --> 00:49:01,550 I thought it was... so I followed him. I come look... 866 00:49:02,190 --> 00:49:03,189 on... 867 00:49:05,193 --> 00:49:07,919 I think it was a whole skeleton. 868 00:49:07,954 --> 00:49:12,693 The bones were some chewed up and mutilated. 869 00:49:12,728 --> 00:49:17,170 I could make out a skull, the pelvis, some ribs, and the fingers. 870 00:49:18,371 --> 00:49:21,867 And the skull was in about 33, 34 pieces. 871 00:49:22,903 --> 00:49:24,243 That put me on alert. 872 00:49:25,411 --> 00:49:28,841 But, predators tear up bones. 873 00:49:28,876 --> 00:49:32,680 No big deal. Coyote's chew them, squirrels chew them, calcium. 874 00:49:32,715 --> 00:49:35,221 Pups wouldn't listen. I wanted to go back. 875 00:49:35,256 --> 00:49:37,949 I was not tired for the night, anyways. They didn't quit. 876 00:49:39,227 --> 00:49:40,787 My big dog was still on a trail. 877 00:49:40,822 --> 00:49:45,132 She wouldn't cut off, so I had to go in at him. 878 00:49:45,167 --> 00:49:50,401 Even farther and farther I went, the more bones I found. 879 00:49:50,436 --> 00:49:53,998 And, I come upon the pups and they were just laying on the ground. 880 00:49:54,033 --> 00:49:55,032 Flat. Just... 881 00:49:57,146 --> 00:50:03,414 Wouldn't move... The dog was between me and something in front of me. 882 00:50:04,417 --> 00:50:07,011 Growling. Bristled up. 883 00:50:07,046 --> 00:50:10,421 Snarling, acting like I've never seen her act. 884 00:50:10,456 --> 00:50:12,720 The growl that I heard that night... 885 00:50:13,624 --> 00:50:14,920 It was like you could feel it. 886 00:50:17,023 --> 00:50:18,957 It was, it came from its gut. 887 00:50:27,506 --> 00:50:29,209 I was 15 yards from it. 888 00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:32,069 It was massive. 889 00:50:35,448 --> 00:50:37,448 I was close enough when he could, 890 00:50:37,483 --> 00:50:40,121 when he'd sniff, you could see his nose wrinkle up. 891 00:50:41,784 --> 00:50:43,751 That's way too close. 892 00:50:44,952 --> 00:50:46,589 Way too close. 893 00:50:46,624 --> 00:50:49,119 I've always been told, like most kids in Southern areas, 894 00:50:49,154 --> 00:50:52,892 "Be careful, there's Panthers in the woods and..." 895 00:50:52,927 --> 00:50:55,532 I mean, this is Western Kentucky. We don't have bear, 896 00:50:55,567 --> 00:50:58,931 but every now and then, because they wander up out of Tennessee, but... 897 00:50:58,966 --> 00:51:02,704 I've faced predators, 898 00:51:02,739 --> 00:51:07,643 most of your big game predators that you have in the States. 899 00:51:07,678 --> 00:51:11,482 These things don't act like that. You look in these thing's eyes. 900 00:51:11,517 --> 00:51:13,946 These things look like they're trying to figure you out. 901 00:51:13,981 --> 00:51:16,982 They look like they're looking through you, trying to figure out what your next move is 902 00:51:18,326 --> 00:51:19,490 so they can get around it. 903 00:51:22,088 --> 00:51:24,264 [VOICE SHAKING] I've been around predators my whole life, 904 00:51:24,299 --> 00:51:28,301 and I've never seen anything in my life like that. 905 00:51:28,336 --> 00:51:31,370 I've never seen anything look like it had enough consciousness 906 00:51:31,405 --> 00:51:33,031 to know what you might do. 907 00:51:35,706 --> 00:51:37,871 I think that scares me as much as seeing them. 908 00:51:40,205 --> 00:51:41,479 This one wasn't scared. 909 00:51:42,911 --> 00:51:44,251 This one wasn't curious. 910 00:51:46,717 --> 00:51:49,080 This one did not want me there. 911 00:51:49,115 --> 00:51:54,327 You would come up closer. 912 00:51:54,362 --> 00:51:58,661 When I cooned, I carried a double-barrel 410 and a double-barrel 20 gauge. 913 00:51:58,696 --> 00:52:01,565 Double-barreled 410. Double-hammered old gun. 914 00:52:02,271 --> 00:52:04,634 And a .357 pistol. 915 00:52:04,669 --> 00:52:07,802 The fact that my coon dog never moved 916 00:52:07,837 --> 00:52:09,573 didn't even faze this animal. 917 00:52:11,709 --> 00:52:13,841 She might as well been to a piss and come along now. 918 00:52:14,811 --> 00:52:16,041 It walked... 919 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,112 In a semi-circle around me like a predatory move would. 920 00:52:23,490 --> 00:52:26,920 At this point, I pretty much know. [SIGHS] 921 00:52:26,955 --> 00:52:29,153 It came over, done. 922 00:52:32,565 --> 00:52:36,666 He got three quarter of the way around me... 923 00:52:36,701 --> 00:52:41,737 in the loudest, deepest howl I've ever heard that come from deeper in the swamp. 924 00:52:44,269 --> 00:52:45,840 His ears perked up. 925 00:52:48,075 --> 00:52:51,450 And it was like I wasn't even there at that point. 926 00:52:51,485 --> 00:52:52,748 He held back. 927 00:52:55,115 --> 00:52:58,952 He acknowledged me by roaring at me so loud, I ain't even gonna lie. 928 00:53:00,956 --> 00:53:04,331 I pissed my pants that night. It scared me so bad. 929 00:53:05,631 --> 00:53:07,367 So I just threw the shotgun up. 930 00:53:07,402 --> 00:53:11,404 Well, at least I might get blood. 931 00:53:11,439 --> 00:53:16,706 When I threw the barrels up, he cleared the bushes behind him that were probably 932 00:53:16,741 --> 00:53:19,742 six, seven foot... and was gone. 933 00:53:20,613 --> 00:53:21,678 Foot towards the hell. 934 00:53:23,616 --> 00:53:26,914 I come home that night. I sold 17 dogs the next morning. 935 00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:32,425 I sold all my gear except my coon hunting light. 936 00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:37,364 And the only time I go out now in the dark, if I'm hunting 937 00:53:37,399 --> 00:53:39,564 is if I'm around ponds and hunting frogs. 938 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,600 I do not go near that swamp at night. 939 00:53:42,635 --> 00:53:44,602 I'll go during the day. 940 00:53:44,637 --> 00:53:46,571 I will not go at night. 941 00:53:46,606 --> 00:53:49,871 The reason I wanted to stay anonymous is I've had people tell me I'm crazy. 942 00:53:49,906 --> 00:53:51,136 I've had people tell me... 943 00:53:52,304 --> 00:53:55,074 I'm drinking too much, doing drugs. 944 00:53:56,341 --> 00:53:57,483 Lyin'. 945 00:53:58,112 --> 00:53:58,946 No. 946 00:53:59,652 --> 00:54:01,388 They're real. 947 00:54:01,423 --> 00:54:03,049 Science might not have found them. But... 948 00:54:04,822 --> 00:54:05,854 don't mean nothing. 949 00:54:07,088 --> 00:54:08,527 They stay hidden for a reason. 950 00:54:18,297 --> 00:54:20,099 My name is Martin Groves. 951 00:54:21,674 --> 00:54:27,238 I had an incident in the 1990s spring turkey season, 952 00:54:27,273 --> 00:54:29,779 that kind of connected me to the area. 953 00:54:29,814 --> 00:54:32,815 I'm a retired police officer of 32 years. 954 00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:35,851 I've been with a local, rural sheriff's department 955 00:54:35,886 --> 00:54:38,854 of which I have now since retired. 956 00:54:38,889 --> 00:54:42,154 Uh, but I was with the department for many years, 957 00:54:42,189 --> 00:54:48,699 and a uniformed patrol officer. Coming from a... a... a police background, 958 00:54:48,734 --> 00:54:52,164 ah, it's going to ruffle a lot of... a lot of feathers. 959 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:56,707 The only reason why I've even come forward at this point is one, I have retired, 960 00:54:56,742 --> 00:55:01,481 and I don't really care what people think of me or what will be said. 961 00:55:01,516 --> 00:55:04,011 I feel like there is something within that park... 962 00:55:06,345 --> 00:55:08,378 animal or beast, 963 00:55:08,413 --> 00:55:11,348 that is a danger to the public. 964 00:55:11,383 --> 00:55:16,892 I was told that this would be very detrimental to any tourism 965 00:55:16,927 --> 00:55:21,193 and to anything that any public reports coming out 966 00:55:21,228 --> 00:55:23,965 that there was any kind of animals eating people. 967 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,198 Or attacking people within the park. 968 00:55:26,233 --> 00:55:29,267 And there has been a long time, 969 00:55:29,302 --> 00:55:33,007 standing, unwritten rule 970 00:55:33,042 --> 00:55:40,047 that they control the reports that come outside the parks because of this. 971 00:55:40,082 --> 00:55:43,919 In the '70s, there was a group of kids 972 00:55:43,954 --> 00:55:46,658 that disappeared up there, then Land Between the Lakes. 973 00:55:46,693 --> 00:55:48,693 They heard a bunch of screaming and... 974 00:55:48,728 --> 00:55:50,893 when the other group came up to them, 975 00:55:50,928 --> 00:55:53,093 they disappeared, never to be seen again. 976 00:55:53,128 --> 00:55:58,571 1979. That was over around Willow Bay, the members bay area. 977 00:55:58,606 --> 00:56:01,772 There was a gentleman. He worked in Kentucky Fish and Game. 978 00:56:01,807 --> 00:56:06,436 He said that he witnessed a Dogman jump on a couple that was camping there 979 00:56:06,471 --> 00:56:08,108 along the shoreline, 980 00:56:08,143 --> 00:56:10,517 held them down with its hands and biting plugs out of them, 981 00:56:10,552 --> 00:56:14,950 and they were able to confirm his employment through the state and what not. 982 00:56:14,985 --> 00:56:20,725 Ah, you got the famed 1982 attack of the family that was slaughtered very terrible. 983 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,928 There's multiple variations of the story, but largely they have retained the same way. 984 00:56:25,963 --> 00:56:29,327 So that story boiled down to its most basic form, 985 00:56:29,362 --> 00:56:32,000 is a family of four, came down to the Land Between the Lakes. 986 00:56:32,035 --> 00:56:34,937 They were either in a travel trailer or an RV. 987 00:56:34,972 --> 00:56:37,973 And they came down to do some camping up at the northern end 988 00:56:38,008 --> 00:56:40,338 of Land Between the Lakes, while they were, I guess, 989 00:56:40,373 --> 00:56:42,340 getting set up and everything ready. 990 00:56:42,375 --> 00:56:46,443 A Dogman came up and literally slaughtered the family. 991 00:56:50,350 --> 00:56:53,318 Just dispatched them in a grisly manner. 992 00:56:53,353 --> 00:56:56,959 People came back through, cops, ah... 993 00:56:56,994 --> 00:57:01,700 The government in some form, hikers and they found the family dead. 994 00:57:01,735 --> 00:57:04,263 They found three bodies, but they couldn't find the little girl. 995 00:57:04,298 --> 00:57:06,397 Anyway, there was a little girl along with them. 996 00:57:06,432 --> 00:57:09,499 And they eventually found her either up in the top of a tree 997 00:57:09,534 --> 00:57:12,678 or somewhere about 100 feet away from the RV. 998 00:57:12,713 --> 00:57:15,175 There is a little bit of contention on that. 999 00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:19,047 It has become a famous story of the region, now almost teetering on urban legend. 1000 00:57:19,082 --> 00:57:21,852 And you can even find evidence that it happened because 1001 00:57:21,887 --> 00:57:24,415 the spot where it allegedly took place, 1002 00:57:24,450 --> 00:57:28,518 you can find where the light poles are cut even to the ground. 1003 00:57:28,553 --> 00:57:30,630 You can find the old RV slips. 1004 00:57:30,665 --> 00:57:33,699 You can find the old foundations for the bathhouses. 1005 00:57:33,734 --> 00:57:36,196 Something seemed to have taken place there. 1006 00:57:36,231 --> 00:57:38,836 You can find the old, the boundary stakes. 1007 00:57:38,871 --> 00:57:41,432 It really looks like something happened. 1008 00:57:41,467 --> 00:57:42,499 And then... 1009 00:57:43,678 --> 00:57:47,042 some government crew or the park came in, 1010 00:57:47,077 --> 00:57:49,440 tore it all up and let nature retake itself. 1011 00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:57,250 You can tell that, for once some reason they wanted to do away with this area. 1012 00:57:57,285 --> 00:58:00,352 And that, that's the most famous story from up there. 1013 00:58:00,387 --> 00:58:03,993 The next famous would probably be, there was a bow hunter up there 1014 00:58:04,028 --> 00:58:07,194 whose body was found dead and I haven't found them yet. 1015 00:58:07,229 --> 00:58:10,967 But supposedly there are documents showing he was found in the park. 1016 00:58:11,002 --> 00:58:13,739 He was dead. It was all factual. 1017 00:58:13,774 --> 00:58:16,742 When they found his body in a soybean field over 1018 00:58:16,777 --> 00:58:19,679 around where we camp a lot, Dark Hollow. 1019 00:58:19,714 --> 00:58:20,944 His body was fed upon. 1020 00:58:24,147 --> 00:58:27,654 I'm going to be very respectful because of the family 1021 00:58:27,689 --> 00:58:29,623 that, uh, suffered a loss. 1022 00:58:30,285 --> 00:58:31,515 A hunter was killed... 1023 00:58:32,485 --> 00:58:34,518 and was mauled to death. 1024 00:58:34,553 --> 00:58:39,226 But the official report says it was a unknown animal. 1025 00:58:39,261 --> 00:58:40,601 Unknown species. 1026 00:58:41,461 --> 00:58:43,736 The reports... 1027 00:58:43,771 --> 00:58:47,036 that I have read, and what I have been told 1028 00:58:47,071 --> 00:58:51,073 is that the animal was either a cougar or a bear, 1029 00:58:51,108 --> 00:58:53,273 that had ripped the man out of his tent. 1030 00:58:53,308 --> 00:58:56,045 And had consumed him and pulled his body 1031 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,949 three to four hundred yards away from the tent. 1032 00:58:58,984 --> 00:59:04,284 It is my belief that I actually had met this man the day before 1033 00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:07,188 while I was out and was scouting. 1034 00:59:07,223 --> 00:59:09,256 And I do not know if it was or not. 1035 00:59:09,291 --> 00:59:14,096 I do know that the man that I met was in the same immediate area, 1036 00:59:14,131 --> 00:59:16,703 and I observed his pickup truck. 1037 00:59:16,738 --> 00:59:20,069 And there's just too many indications to me that I believe 1038 00:59:20,104 --> 00:59:21,741 that the man that I met 1039 00:59:21,776 --> 00:59:24,304 is the same man that was pulled out of his tent and eaten. 1040 00:59:28,046 --> 00:59:31,751 One of the common things when you're researching Dogman is, it is strange. 1041 00:59:31,786 --> 00:59:33,181 Toward the northern end of the parks 1042 00:59:33,216 --> 00:59:35,579 where they are at, you'll find Dogman activity. 1043 00:59:35,614 --> 00:59:37,922 But to the southern end, you find Bigfoot activity. 1044 00:59:37,957 --> 00:59:40,650 Dogmen in the North, Bigfoot in the South. 1045 00:59:40,685 --> 00:59:45,094 So it does seem in some ways, there is a, a territorial aspect to it. 1046 00:59:45,129 --> 00:59:49,329 I don't know. It could be hungry, aggressive predator, could be territory. 1047 00:59:49,364 --> 00:59:51,705 Ah, there's a lot of factors that could be at play. 1048 00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:58,305 In the spring of, I believe it was 1993-94, 1049 00:59:58,340 --> 01:00:02,276 a hunting partner and myself... 1050 01:00:02,311 --> 01:00:05,147 A friend that I actually worked at the sheriff's office with, 1051 01:00:05,182 --> 01:00:07,952 had decided to take a trip 1052 01:00:07,987 --> 01:00:10,482 into Land Between the Lakes for turkey hunting. 1053 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:12,792 The first night we came in, 1054 01:00:12,827 --> 01:00:16,686 we had absolutely no problems whatsoever. 1055 01:00:16,721 --> 01:00:21,328 The next day, we both got up and decided to take 1056 01:00:21,363 --> 01:00:25,464 a small excursion, searching for birds, 1057 01:00:25,499 --> 01:00:27,807 and we went our separate ways. 1058 01:00:27,842 --> 01:00:32,944 We had a very nice game trail to follow, 1059 01:00:32,979 --> 01:00:36,948 and I followed for miles and throughout the entire day. 1060 01:00:36,983 --> 01:00:39,885 At this point in the late afternoon, 1061 01:00:41,053 --> 01:00:43,856 I had a... 1062 01:00:43,891 --> 01:00:48,454 feeling that I was being followed inside the woods. 1063 01:00:48,489 --> 01:00:51,028 Behind me I could hear movement, 1064 01:00:51,063 --> 01:00:53,492 and I could feel a presence 1065 01:00:53,527 --> 01:00:57,694 that I did not know if it was animal or if it was man. 1066 01:00:57,729 --> 01:01:01,170 Being an avid hunter, I was very observant. 1067 01:01:01,205 --> 01:01:03,975 Two to 300 yards behind me, 1068 01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:05,339 on the trail behind me, 1069 01:01:05,374 --> 01:01:07,913 I could see movement in the woods. 1070 01:01:07,948 --> 01:01:11,081 I continued through the woods for some time, 1071 01:01:11,116 --> 01:01:15,921 and followed the game trail, edging my way back to my camp. 1072 01:01:15,956 --> 01:01:19,419 When I did actually catch movement in the woods 1073 01:01:19,454 --> 01:01:20,827 and I could see 1074 01:01:20,862 --> 01:01:23,995 that there was two, or possibly three animals 1075 01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:26,866 that was tailing me, but when I would stop, 1076 01:01:26,901 --> 01:01:29,231 the movement would stop in the woods. 1077 01:01:29,266 --> 01:01:30,760 I continued on, 1078 01:01:30,795 --> 01:01:33,070 and as I've become closer to my camp, 1079 01:01:34,634 --> 01:01:39,538 I could hear a distinct knock in the woods, 1080 01:01:39,573 --> 01:01:44,917 and it would be a large boom, 1081 01:01:44,952 --> 01:01:49,614 like someone had taken an axe or something up against a tree. 1082 01:01:49,649 --> 01:01:53,585 So, at that point, I believed it was my hunting partner 1083 01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:55,653 and I was getting closer to camp. 1084 01:01:55,688 --> 01:01:58,095 As I got closer to camp, 1085 01:01:58,130 --> 01:02:02,561 is when I first observed what I believe to be 1086 01:02:02,596 --> 01:02:06,367 a man in a ghillie suit. 1087 01:02:06,402 --> 01:02:07,907 So I just wrote it off, 1088 01:02:07,942 --> 01:02:10,602 you know, I'm a, I'm on a hot trail. 1089 01:02:10,637 --> 01:02:12,604 I just need to get back to camp. 1090 01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:15,640 Somebody is watching me to the west of me, 1091 01:02:15,675 --> 01:02:18,445 and somebody's coming in on a game trail behind me 1092 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,480 that's an animal. 1093 01:02:20,515 --> 01:02:22,515 Something was just tagging me. 1094 01:02:23,925 --> 01:02:25,925 I finally did make it back to camp. 1095 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,358 The closer I began getting to my camp, I heard whistles. 1096 01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:33,790 I could hear a whistle 1097 01:02:33,825 --> 01:02:38,663 that was human-like, that was a shrill whistle. 1098 01:02:38,698 --> 01:02:40,973 I attributed a lot of these things 1099 01:02:41,008 --> 01:02:44,009 to, 'this is my hunting partner back in camp.' 1100 01:02:44,044 --> 01:02:45,945 'He's knocking something.' 1101 01:02:45,980 --> 01:02:48,948 'He's whistling, trying to get me to come in, 1102 01:02:48,983 --> 01:02:50,840 'so, I came in to camp.' 1103 01:02:50,875 --> 01:02:53,183 And immediately when I come in to camp, 1104 01:02:53,218 --> 01:02:55,988 my friend that I have known for many years, 1105 01:02:56,023 --> 01:02:57,781 I could tell was very shook. 1106 01:02:57,816 --> 01:03:01,785 There was something not right with my hunting partner, 1107 01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:04,359 and I said, look, I'm sorry I've been gone. 1108 01:03:04,394 --> 01:03:08,363 He said, "It's not that. I was a little bit worried about you, 1109 01:03:08,398 --> 01:03:12,235 "but there is something around the camp". 1110 01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:16,107 That's when he broke down and told me, 1111 01:03:16,142 --> 01:03:18,043 he said, "I've been hearing whistles 1112 01:03:18,078 --> 01:03:22,542 and there is something hitting a tree, 1113 01:03:22,577 --> 01:03:28,020 or there is maybe rocks being clampered against the ground. 1114 01:03:28,055 --> 01:03:30,517 He did not know either. 1115 01:03:30,552 --> 01:03:33,025 We settled in, we talked around the campfire. 1116 01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:36,226 It got dark at this point. 1117 01:03:36,261 --> 01:03:39,064 When it gets dark at Land Between the Lakes, 1118 01:03:39,099 --> 01:03:41,528 it is dark. 1119 01:03:41,563 --> 01:03:44,168 There's no car lights, there's no street lights. 1120 01:03:44,203 --> 01:03:47,600 It is as if you were in the 1700 or 1800s. 1121 01:03:50,539 --> 01:03:52,506 We felt like we were being pressured 1122 01:03:52,541 --> 01:03:54,508 to get out of the camp, 1123 01:03:54,543 --> 01:03:57,313 and this is when the activity began. 1124 01:03:57,348 --> 01:03:59,876 All that was illuminated, was our campfire, 1125 01:04:00,615 --> 01:04:02,923 and our kerosene lamp. 1126 01:04:03,915 --> 01:04:05,717 So we had a period of... 1127 01:04:05,752 --> 01:04:09,589 a distance of 15 to 20 feet at maximum 1128 01:04:09,624 --> 01:04:11,492 around the camp that would be illuminated, 1129 01:04:11,527 --> 01:04:14,066 and then we would see shadows. 1130 01:04:14,101 --> 01:04:19,533 And I noticed what I believed to be a man behind a tree. 1131 01:04:19,568 --> 01:04:22,899 It looked as if a person was standing behind the tree, 1132 01:04:22,934 --> 01:04:24,439 very large tree. 1133 01:04:24,474 --> 01:04:26,144 At that point, we were locked in. 1134 01:04:26,179 --> 01:04:29,840 We were not going to be made to move by anything or anybody. 1135 01:04:30,513 --> 01:04:32,183 This was our camp. 1136 01:04:32,218 --> 01:04:34,218 We're staying and we're gonna hunt here. 1137 01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:40,785 A small limb or tree, piece of a tree 1138 01:04:40,820 --> 01:04:43,359 come flying off the top of the cliff 1139 01:04:43,394 --> 01:04:45,328 that was raised above us. 1140 01:04:45,924 --> 01:04:47,561 The rock came, 1141 01:04:47,596 --> 01:04:51,268 and when the rock comes so close to in between us, 1142 01:04:51,303 --> 01:04:54,469 we were standing within five to ten foot of each other, 1143 01:04:56,902 --> 01:04:58,803 we started getting scared. 1144 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,182 At one point, Harry told me that... 1145 01:05:04,217 --> 01:05:07,119 maybe we should get our firearms, 1146 01:05:07,154 --> 01:05:11,453 and, so he set his shotgun closer to him. 1147 01:05:11,488 --> 01:05:14,258 My shotgun was laying on the ground, 1148 01:05:14,293 --> 01:05:17,657 but I had a sidearm on me. 1149 01:05:17,692 --> 01:05:19,494 So, I kind of felt confident. 1150 01:05:22,598 --> 01:05:26,567 You have to imagine the darkness and how dark that it was, 1151 01:05:26,602 --> 01:05:29,306 and how limited vision was for us. 1152 01:05:32,575 --> 01:05:34,905 We began to get a growl 1153 01:05:34,940 --> 01:05:38,975 from where the person or persons were standing. 1154 01:05:39,010 --> 01:05:44,420 The growl was so intense, that it vibrated in my chest, 1155 01:05:44,455 --> 01:05:46,488 and within my partner's chest. 1156 01:05:47,623 --> 01:05:49,194 It was like a vibration. 1157 01:05:49,229 --> 01:05:52,098 It was not like a growl I had ever heard in my life from... 1158 01:05:52,892 --> 01:05:53,990 I've been around bears, 1159 01:05:54,025 --> 01:05:57,070 I've been around pigs, charging boars. 1160 01:05:57,105 --> 01:06:00,238 I've been around all different kinds of animals. 1161 01:06:00,273 --> 01:06:02,900 This was a growl like I had never heard. 1162 01:06:04,508 --> 01:06:08,037 All my life, I've been trained not to be afraid. 1163 01:06:08,072 --> 01:06:12,415 I've been trained to attack anything that comes into vision 1164 01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:14,813 if you perceive it to be a danger, 1165 01:06:14,848 --> 01:06:18,047 I could not do anything. It just is... 1166 01:06:18,082 --> 01:06:21,787 It was as if I was this child and I was five years old, 1167 01:06:21,822 --> 01:06:24,097 and I was scared of a monster in the dark, 1168 01:06:24,132 --> 01:06:30,895 and I noticed that my partner was totally frozen. 1169 01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:32,534 He was not moving. 1170 01:06:32,569 --> 01:06:34,206 He was breathing fast. 1171 01:06:35,935 --> 01:06:38,309 At one point I've seen his shoulders slump, 1172 01:06:39,213 --> 01:06:41,873 and he was not feeling well. 1173 01:06:42,744 --> 01:06:45,349 All time had frozen. 1174 01:06:45,384 --> 01:06:49,683 Everything had just... like it had become stilled, 1175 01:06:49,718 --> 01:06:56,393 and it It was just a low, intense feeling that I had. 1176 01:06:56,428 --> 01:07:00,265 Out of the left side of my peripheral vision, 1177 01:07:00,993 --> 01:07:03,169 I saw movement. 1178 01:07:03,204 --> 01:07:07,437 At this point I made a physical move, 1179 01:07:07,472 --> 01:07:09,703 and once I took a step, 1180 01:07:09,738 --> 01:07:13,311 I felt like I could... I just gained, like, my freedom, 1181 01:07:15,414 --> 01:07:16,974 and I pulled my firearm. 1182 01:07:17,009 --> 01:07:20,076 I turned my shoulders to face the object 1183 01:07:20,111 --> 01:07:23,123 that I caught in my peripheral vision. 1184 01:07:24,192 --> 01:07:27,050 I faced... I looked forward, 1185 01:07:27,085 --> 01:07:31,725 and I could see what I knew was not a man. 1186 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,301 I knew that it was not an animal I had ever seen, 1187 01:07:37,601 --> 01:07:40,272 and it was coming towards me. 1188 01:07:40,307 --> 01:07:43,000 In the glow of the campfire 1189 01:07:43,035 --> 01:07:46,542 and the glow of my kerosene lamp, 1190 01:07:46,577 --> 01:07:51,811 I caught what I felt was an upright walking... 1191 01:07:51,846 --> 01:07:55,111 It was not bear. It was like a wolf. 1192 01:07:55,146 --> 01:07:59,819 It was large, it was huge. It was still walking towards me. 1193 01:07:59,854 --> 01:08:04,626 I've discharged my weapon in its direction two times. 1194 01:08:04,661 --> 01:08:06,331 You have to imagine 1195 01:08:06,366 --> 01:08:09,862 when you fire a gun at nighttime, 1196 01:08:09,897 --> 01:08:12,964 that you have an effect 1197 01:08:12,999 --> 01:08:15,604 of almost like a camera going off, 1198 01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:18,101 and that camera instills something in your brain, 1199 01:08:18,136 --> 01:08:20,807 so, I have this image. 1200 01:08:20,842 --> 01:08:24,646 instilled in my head of when the flash went out. 1201 01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,749 And the animal... 1202 01:08:30,687 --> 01:08:33,490 It was like it responded to the firearm. 1203 01:08:33,525 --> 01:08:35,118 It was intelligent. 1204 01:08:35,153 --> 01:08:37,329 It knew that that... 1205 01:08:37,364 --> 01:08:40,893 firearm was dangerous to it, because it reacted, 1206 01:08:40,928 --> 01:08:44,303 it moved and it went backwards before I fired. 1207 01:08:44,338 --> 01:08:47,768 It is as if it could jump and leap 1208 01:08:47,803 --> 01:08:51,244 beyond any human understanding. 1209 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:53,312 It jumped to the rock face 1210 01:08:53,347 --> 01:08:55,875 that was beside of it, 1211 01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:59,615 and in an instant was... it was gone. 1212 01:08:59,650 --> 01:09:03,718 It disappeared and went over the ridge above us. 1213 01:09:03,753 --> 01:09:06,523 When I fired my weapon, 1214 01:09:06,558 --> 01:09:10,428 my hunting partner behind me discharged his firearm, 1215 01:09:10,463 --> 01:09:12,991 in the opposite direction of me. 1216 01:09:13,026 --> 01:09:14,597 I am screaming at this point. 1217 01:09:14,632 --> 01:09:17,028 I'm screaming, I don't even know what I'm saying, 1218 01:09:17,063 --> 01:09:19,800 but it's time to back up to the truck 1219 01:09:19,835 --> 01:09:24,035 where we were parked, and I began to cover above me. 1220 01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:27,170 I covered to the left of me, and he's walking, 1221 01:09:27,205 --> 01:09:28,710 and we're walking behind us. 1222 01:09:30,714 --> 01:09:32,318 As we get to the truck, 1223 01:09:32,353 --> 01:09:35,420 I jump up into the back-end of the pickup truck. 1224 01:09:35,455 --> 01:09:39,182 He gets in, cranks the vehicle. I am standing in the back 1225 01:09:39,217 --> 01:09:44,088 of the pickup truck, the lights, flow towards a field 1226 01:09:44,123 --> 01:09:46,222 that was in front of us. 1227 01:09:46,257 --> 01:09:47,795 Directly in front of me... 1228 01:09:49,029 --> 01:09:53,735 were two huge figures, creatures. 1229 01:09:53,770 --> 01:09:57,607 I believe that what was stalking me in the woods, 1230 01:09:57,642 --> 01:10:03,239 I believe that whatever I fired at to the left of my camp, 1231 01:10:03,274 --> 01:10:08,277 was what people refer to as a Dogman. 1232 01:10:08,312 --> 01:10:11,181 But I know what was in the headlights of that truck, 1233 01:10:11,216 --> 01:10:13,216 was not the same creature, 1234 01:10:13,251 --> 01:10:17,363 because it towered at least another two or three foot taller 1235 01:10:17,398 --> 01:10:20,465 than the animals that I had seen in my camp. 1236 01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:23,765 These were two very large creatures, 1237 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,437 and I realized that one of them 1238 01:10:25,472 --> 01:10:28,968 was the exact thing that I had seen in the distance, 1239 01:10:29,003 --> 01:10:31,476 that I believed to be a man in a ghillie suit, 1240 01:10:31,511 --> 01:10:33,709 and it was not a man in a ghillie suit. 1241 01:10:33,744 --> 01:10:35,942 It was not a bear. 1242 01:10:35,977 --> 01:10:40,177 It was on two legs, bipedal. 1243 01:10:40,212 --> 01:10:43,818 That's what I believe was whistling the entire time 1244 01:10:43,853 --> 01:10:46,150 that I had heard in the woods. 1245 01:10:46,185 --> 01:10:48,922 That's what my partner had heard whistling, 1246 01:10:48,957 --> 01:10:52,189 were the two figures that I observed in the field 1247 01:10:52,224 --> 01:10:53,663 in front of me. 1248 01:10:53,698 --> 01:10:55,434 Were they working 1249 01:10:55,469 --> 01:10:57,293 with the other animals? 1250 01:10:57,328 --> 01:10:58,294 I just say the words. 1251 01:10:58,329 --> 01:11:00,934 Were they working with the Dogman? 1252 01:11:00,969 --> 01:11:03,134 Were they guiding the Dogman, 1253 01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:08,777 or were there... Were the two large creatures 1254 01:11:08,812 --> 01:11:10,713 there to protect me? 1255 01:11:10,748 --> 01:11:12,242 I do not know. 1256 01:11:12,277 --> 01:11:15,146 My partner fires up the pickup truck, 1257 01:11:15,181 --> 01:11:18,347 and we speed out of the area. 1258 01:11:18,382 --> 01:11:23,286 As I turn around behind me, something was tearing my... 1259 01:11:23,321 --> 01:11:26,157 our camp completely to pieces. 1260 01:11:30,537 --> 01:11:33,538 HENDERSON: There are Bigfoot stories from the region. 1261 01:11:33,573 --> 01:11:35,507 There's supposedly a large, aggressive Bigfoot 1262 01:11:35,542 --> 01:11:37,102 in Land Between the Lakes. 1263 01:11:37,137 --> 01:11:40,303 It just goes wherever it wants. They've nicknamed it Stonefoot. 1264 01:11:40,338 --> 01:11:42,448 And, we even have found 1265 01:11:42,483 --> 01:11:44,582 Bigfoot tracks up towards the north, 1266 01:11:44,617 --> 01:11:47,145 close to around the site where the family was attacked. 1267 01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:49,081 So, they are in the park. 1268 01:11:51,349 --> 01:11:53,525 GROVES: We stopped and we attempted to report 1269 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,022 what took place with us, 1270 01:11:56,057 --> 01:12:00,895 and we were told that we had overreacted, 1271 01:12:00,930 --> 01:12:04,767 that we had observed what they said was a rogue bear. 1272 01:12:04,802 --> 01:12:07,231 There are things that I will not say on camera. 1273 01:12:07,266 --> 01:12:10,201 People that I've spoken with over the years. 1274 01:12:10,236 --> 01:12:11,576 You have to understand 1275 01:12:11,611 --> 01:12:14,942 that the law enforcement field is a tight brethren. 1276 01:12:14,977 --> 01:12:18,011 There is a unwritten rule that you will not talk 1277 01:12:18,046 --> 01:12:20,310 of anything coming out of the park. 1278 01:12:20,345 --> 01:12:22,081 I mean, these guys have pensions, 1279 01:12:22,116 --> 01:12:23,753 these guys have family. 1280 01:12:23,788 --> 01:12:27,383 Can you imagine working for somewhere for 20 or 30 years 1281 01:12:27,418 --> 01:12:29,121 and you are called into the office 1282 01:12:29,156 --> 01:12:31,387 and you are told that, due to the fact 1283 01:12:31,422 --> 01:12:33,323 you spoke in public about an incident 1284 01:12:33,358 --> 01:12:36,062 that took place, that you're fired? 1285 01:12:36,097 --> 01:12:39,263 I believe it's entirely possible that they cover stuff like that. 1286 01:12:39,298 --> 01:12:41,705 They'd lose a lot of money if people learned 1287 01:12:41,740 --> 01:12:43,740 that there was something that looked like a werewolf 1288 01:12:43,775 --> 01:12:46,435 wandering through the park, or possibly even Bigfoot. 1289 01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:47,810 They'd lose a lot of money. 1290 01:12:47,845 --> 01:12:51,847 So, if one person disappears, or a few people, 1291 01:12:51,882 --> 01:12:53,948 wouldn't it be for them, 1292 01:12:53,983 --> 01:12:55,444 wouldn't it be the most profitable decision 1293 01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:56,720 to just cover it up and make it look 1294 01:12:56,755 --> 01:12:58,524 like something never happened? 1295 01:12:58,559 --> 01:13:01,054 At this point, there are many people 1296 01:13:01,089 --> 01:13:04,123 that have went missing, or have come up, 1297 01:13:04,158 --> 01:13:07,456 they've been found dead within the park. 1298 01:13:07,491 --> 01:13:10,393 And this is a phenomenon that it is not contained 1299 01:13:10,428 --> 01:13:12,571 to Land Between the Lakes. 1300 01:13:12,606 --> 01:13:15,739 This has taken place in a lot of our national parks. 1301 01:13:15,774 --> 01:13:18,434 It is a very scary thought that the general public 1302 01:13:18,469 --> 01:13:20,645 is tourism. 1303 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,780 To a certain extent, the general public is unarmed 1304 01:13:23,815 --> 01:13:25,584 when they enter these parks, 1305 01:13:25,619 --> 01:13:29,984 unable to defend themselves against anything, man or beast. 1306 01:13:32,659 --> 01:13:34,252 From all the encounters 1307 01:13:34,287 --> 01:13:35,825 that I have talked to people with, 1308 01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:38,696 it's just not simply encountering 1309 01:13:38,731 --> 01:13:40,599 an animal out there. 1310 01:13:40,634 --> 01:13:41,864 There are earth lights 1311 01:13:41,899 --> 01:13:43,426 often attached to these sightings. 1312 01:13:43,461 --> 01:13:47,331 There are feelings of dread associated with this. 1313 01:13:47,366 --> 01:13:50,741 In my opinion, what we were dealing with here 1314 01:13:50,776 --> 01:13:54,844 is not a human simply shape-shifting into an animal, 1315 01:13:54,879 --> 01:13:57,506 or some sort of uncatalogued creature 1316 01:13:57,541 --> 01:13:59,750 that is roaming the wilds of America 1317 01:13:59,785 --> 01:14:02,313 that has yet to be categorized by science. 1318 01:14:02,348 --> 01:14:04,348 I think there is something here 1319 01:14:04,383 --> 01:14:07,956 that is far beyond our knowledge. 1320 01:14:07,991 --> 01:14:12,521 It appears as if these creatures are coming from another source, 1321 01:14:12,556 --> 01:14:14,490 and they bleed into our world, 1322 01:14:14,525 --> 01:14:16,833 or we bleed into their world, or what have you. 1323 01:14:16,868 --> 01:14:20,364 There almost has to be an unspoken agreement 1324 01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:23,301 between the person that is witnessing these creatures, 1325 01:14:23,336 --> 01:14:24,973 and the creatures themselves. 1326 01:14:25,008 --> 01:14:28,042 It seems there is some sort of exchange of energy going on, 1327 01:14:28,077 --> 01:14:30,374 and for these things to manifest themselves, 1328 01:14:30,409 --> 01:14:32,310 they would need your energy 1329 01:14:32,345 --> 01:14:35,313 to feed off, to make almost a circuit 1330 01:14:35,348 --> 01:14:36,886 in which everything is fired up, 1331 01:14:36,921 --> 01:14:39,658 and then these things can then appear 1332 01:14:39,693 --> 01:14:41,418 and manifest within our reality. 1333 01:14:48,064 --> 01:14:50,394 LEUTHOLD: It bothered me for years. 1334 01:14:50,429 --> 01:14:53,133 I'm not saying that I had post-traumatic stress. 1335 01:14:53,168 --> 01:14:54,673 I'm not saying that, 1336 01:14:54,708 --> 01:14:56,235 but I know that every time 1337 01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:59,205 I walked out of my house at night, 1338 01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,505 I was always had this fear 1339 01:15:02,540 --> 01:15:04,342 of what's lurking behind the house. 1340 01:15:04,377 --> 01:15:05,618 What could be under the car? 1341 01:15:05,653 --> 01:15:07,411 What could be behind that bush, 1342 01:15:07,446 --> 01:15:10,183 because in the back of my mind, it's always there. 1343 01:15:10,218 --> 01:15:11,690 It could be there. 1344 01:15:11,725 --> 01:15:13,285 And the other thing that really kind of stuck out to me, 1345 01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,419 was, as I sat back and I reflected, 1346 01:15:15,454 --> 01:15:18,862 was, if that thing's real, what the hell else is real? 1347 01:15:23,770 --> 01:15:25,396 LUTZ: I didn't let it control my life, 1348 01:15:25,431 --> 01:15:27,772 and as a matter of fact, 1349 01:15:27,807 --> 01:15:30,401 I kind of swept it into the... 1350 01:15:30,436 --> 01:15:33,206 into the back recesses of my mind, 1351 01:15:33,241 --> 01:15:35,571 and now and again it would come up. 1352 01:15:35,606 --> 01:15:37,782 I get the pin pricks in the back of my neck, 1353 01:15:37,817 --> 01:15:39,575 and I think I'm just... 1354 01:15:39,610 --> 01:15:41,753 Too much imagination. 1355 01:15:41,788 --> 01:15:44,690 I hid this from myself. 1356 01:15:44,725 --> 01:15:46,725 I would... I rarely told anyone, 1357 01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,586 because you tell someone, and yeah, 1358 01:15:50,621 --> 01:15:53,028 they're condescending at best, 1359 01:15:53,063 --> 01:15:56,097 just laugh, or think you're joking, and... 1360 01:15:56,132 --> 01:15:58,396 Now, at this age, I don't care 1361 01:15:58,431 --> 01:16:01,564 whether you believe me or not, it doesn't matter. 1362 01:16:01,599 --> 01:16:03,005 It happened. 1363 01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:08,109 ANONYMOUS: The only thing I could literally tell people 1364 01:16:08,144 --> 01:16:09,242 I saw was a werewolf, 1365 01:16:09,277 --> 01:16:10,540 which probably didn't help the fact 1366 01:16:10,575 --> 01:16:12,641 that people thought I was crazy. 1367 01:16:12,676 --> 01:16:13,884 And like I've told her, 1368 01:16:13,919 --> 01:16:15,787 every time I talk about it to anybody, 1369 01:16:15,822 --> 01:16:17,415 the nightmares come back. 1370 01:16:19,089 --> 01:16:20,693 I 've woke up screaming in the night. 1371 01:16:20,728 --> 01:16:23,454 My wife shook me. 1372 01:16:23,489 --> 01:16:25,797 It scares me to my core to know that these things 1373 01:16:25,832 --> 01:16:27,931 are still out there, moving and walking around. 1374 01:16:29,099 --> 01:16:31,528 These things are built to hurt something. 1375 01:16:34,742 --> 01:16:36,841 Trust me, you don't want to see one. 1376 01:16:42,211 --> 01:16:45,509 GROVES: I have nightmares. I'm plagued with dreams. 1377 01:16:45,544 --> 01:16:47,577 At one point, I spoke with a professional 1378 01:16:47,612 --> 01:16:50,646 that said that I had... I had seen something, 1379 01:16:50,681 --> 01:16:53,352 that had traumatized my memory. 1380 01:16:53,387 --> 01:16:56,586 I couldn't accept what I had saw. 1381 01:16:56,621 --> 01:17:00,799 That trauma of whatever that had occurred that night, 1382 01:17:00,834 --> 01:17:03,329 and the incident that I had seen, 1383 01:17:03,364 --> 01:17:05,595 that... It will haunt me. 1384 01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:07,938 It will be in my dreams. 1385 01:17:07,973 --> 01:17:12,074 They told me to attempt to work it out. 1386 01:17:12,109 --> 01:17:13,977 I will not hunt 1387 01:17:14,012 --> 01:17:16,144 in the deep woods any longer. 1388 01:17:16,179 --> 01:17:17,882 I have been to different states, 1389 01:17:17,917 --> 01:17:22,249 I have hunted in Montana, I have hunted in Wyoming. 1390 01:17:25,353 --> 01:17:27,826 I have fished where I've had grizzly bears 1391 01:17:27,861 --> 01:17:31,060 within 20 to 30 yards of me when I'm fly fishing. 1392 01:17:31,755 --> 01:17:33,557 They don't scare me. 1393 01:17:33,592 --> 01:17:34,657 That scares me. 1394 01:17:34,692 --> 01:17:36,527 What I saw that night, 1395 01:17:36,562 --> 01:17:40,806 was such an intense feeling, an evil... 1396 01:17:40,841 --> 01:17:41,807 A feeling of evil that cannot be described.