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- Bringing you
Center Four...
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- The shadow that you seen
was bipedal,
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and it almost looked like a...
like a giant canine.
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It didn't have any...you know,
human features to it.
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Seven, eight feet tall,
very broad-shouldered,
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and it had this...
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and it had this...
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canine-looking head.
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- I remember
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it was a dog-like creature.
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To this day, I can distinctly
remember hearing the footsteps.
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Bipedal footsteps on the gravel,
and it was shuffling.
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- This thing
emerges from the corn,
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and it was about six feet tall,
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it had the head of a dog,
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high-pointed ears,
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it's shoulders were...
were rolled, and it's arms
were long,
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and I remember it just,
turned its head
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like this and looked at me.
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- I've faced
predators.
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Most of your big game predators
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that you have in the States.
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These things don't act
like that.
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You look in these things' eyes,
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these things look like they're
trying to figure you out.
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They look like they're looking
through you,
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trying to figure out what
your next move is.
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So they can get around it.
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I've been around predators
my whole life,
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and I've never seen anything
in my life like that.
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So the history of werewolf
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and Dogman sightings
is... is ancient.
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We have to look at the
Greek myths first,
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uh, to come up with the
word "lycanthropy".
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- And from
that time on,
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we have now had
part of our vernacular
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the word "lycanthrope".
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And the Greeks were very aware
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that werewolves existed.
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So when we look at the word
"werewolf" as well,
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or you know the word "were"
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W-E-R, comes from
the Middle Ages.
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And it simply means, "man".
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So you have a man-wolf.
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We see also, even
in the Viking culture,
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you know, a few thousand
years later, 2000 years later,
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whenever they
would dress in the furs
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of particular animals
of which they wanted
to emulate.
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The name "Berserker" comes
from those that wore
bear hides.
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But also there were the Vikings
that wore the furs of a wolf,
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and they were called
the "drinkers of blood".
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Because they believed
that they were able to assume
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that animal's form, that
animal's ferocity in battle.
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Sightings historically,
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I think are often amalgamated
with Bigfoot sightings,
unfortunately.
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Because, we didn't really have
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the differential type of
comparison and contrast
with the Dogman.
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I think and just up
until recently,
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people were seeing what
they call "Dogman",
or, "werewolf."
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More, because now we have that
as part of our language.
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But I think a lot of times
when people were talking
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about being confronted by
a Bigfoot,
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or encountering a Bigfoot that
was acting aggressively.
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A lot of those reports
that I'm looking at,
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I am now thinking,
are more in the realm
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of the Dogman, werewolf,
sightings than a typical
Bigfoot sighting.
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It's always seemed like Dogman
is a bit aggressive in nature,
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because you hear so many stories
of people that see it,
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and it chases them out of
an area,
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or it bites them.
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There are multiple sightings
up from here in the region
where...
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- people
just see it running across
the trail
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or it doesn't chase them,
you...you know, they'll
just see it.
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It's like every encounter
you hear
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that they're described
just a little bit different.
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People say it looked like
the werewolf from the movie
Silver Bullet.
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Or you'll hear somebody say,
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"Well, uh,
the legs and the arms
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looked like a canine,
but it...
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stood up on two legs
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it kind of had a coyote head,
but it was much larger."
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So, it's a...
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it's a little strange
in that way,
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you hear a lot of
different types.
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They all seem to differ,
in some little manner.
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- So anywhere
in the Midwest,
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I mean, it just makes
perfect sense.
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And there's...there's
a lot of cover.
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I mean, there's still...
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uh, in the Midwest and
Central America.
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There's... North America,
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- there's a lot of...
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wide open spaces and a lot
of woods.
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And a lot of places where
a single person jogging down
a road,
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looks like a tasty, tasty meal.
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If that's...
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If that's what their intent is,
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or if their intent is...
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"Just stay away from
where we're guarding.
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We don't want you, you know,
we don't want you messing...
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with what... what we're
protecting."
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Bucyrus, as I understand,
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was founded in 1821.
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Uh, it was given
the name "Bucyrus",
by Colonel James Kilbourne.
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I don't know what his interest
was in Bucyrus,
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but, we're forever cursed
with a name, that nobody
could pronounce.
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Yeah, it's been around
a long time.
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Grew up here? Yep.
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North of town, out
in the country.
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It's a quiet... existence
growing up, because,
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because, I mean,
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Bucyrus is a small town.
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But I grew up...
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very rural... like nine miles
outside of town.
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So, you know, we visited
our grandparents in town,
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and it was a nice Middle
America small town.
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Leave It To Beaver could have
been filmed...
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you know, on one
of the streets.
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Uh...
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Just a nice place to grow up.
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- People, you know,
the...the people here,
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are pretty... down-to-earth
people.
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You know, we have, uh,
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essentially a makeup of people
who was born here,
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and a lot of people
that migrated from Kentucky.
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As a kid,
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you know, my grandparents
would tell us
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stories about a creature that
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that they refer to
as the Bobo.
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Bobo...The other thing
I can figure, Bobo
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was some sort of...
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some sort of, you know,
bipedal... you know, hominid.
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And then they also told us
a story about a creature
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by the name of
Raw Head and Bloody Bones.
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Which, I had no idea
what that was,
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but I presumed it was some
version of the Boogeyman.
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And so years later, when
you have the Internet,
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I've... I've actually looked
it up,
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and, uh, my grandmother
on my mother's side
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came from the Tennessee area.
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Uh, in North Carolina,
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in that mountainous area there.
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And it turns out that Raw
Head and Bloody Bones
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date all the way back
to 15th Century England.
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And you know,
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immigrants came over, and the
stories came over
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and over the years, "Be careful
going to the woods.
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"The Bobo'll getcha.
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Raw Head and Bloody Bones
will get you."
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You know, things like that.
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My parents were no-nonsense.
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Uh, my dad would have never...
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even entertained the idea
of a ghost
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or some sort of monster
running around.
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- It was a different time
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uh, growing up in the '70s.
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Uh, people, especially in
rural America,
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the... that was
nonsense to them.
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So ...
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I mean, there's
no other way to put it.
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And my... probably my dad's
solution would have been,
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"Hey, if there's a dog,
a Dogman or Bigfoot out there,
we'll just shoot it."
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You know werewolves were...
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...Lon Chaney Jr. On TV8.
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- And that's
my reference to werewolves.
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Was, you know,
the werewolf, Lon Chaney Jr.
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With the...torn plaid shirt,
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and the flat face,
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and running around, grabbing
women and running off with them.
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My encounter happened
way back in 1972,
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between
Yellow Springs and Clifton.
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- It started out as a...
most likely a Friday night,
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because I was allowed
to be out on Friday nights.
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I was about 17 at the time.
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Out with the boyfriend,
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and another couple,
we had two different...
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we had two cars, two sets of us,
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and... well, you know
how kids are.
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We were out going to "park".
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- We, uh, go down
the road, and the bridge
is totally out,
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there's just the barricade.
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So, we...
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turn around and make sure
that both of the vehicles
are facing out.
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So if the cops come along,
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you know, "We were just
leaving anyway.
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-"No big deal."
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Really, really dark.
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It was probably...
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it was cloudy, I don't know.
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There were no leaves
on the trees.
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But it wasn't real cold,
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so it was a perfect night
to be standing out
and laughing.
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I was leaning on...
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the car with my boyfriend.
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Nice muscle car,
back then.
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So I'm leaning...
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We're talking with
the other couple
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who's leaning on...
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their car, I don't know how
long we'd been there,
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maybe 15-20 minutes?
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There was gravel on the
berm of the road.
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And now remember, this is...
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just one way in and
one way out,
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because the bridge is out.
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Well, there's gravel
on the berm.
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There's a brush row next
to a creek,
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and I see
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eye shine,
meaning an animal,
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up in the trees,
or so I'd thought.
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I mentioned out,
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"I wonder if that's a possum,
or a raccoon,
or what's up there?"
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And then...
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something walked out.
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And it wasn't a possum,
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it wasn't a raccoon.
It was a...
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a creature.
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I have no idea
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at the time what it was,
nor did anyone else.
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To this day, I can distinctly
remember hearing the...
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rustling of the gravel
that's on the berm.
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- And... there's this
dark creature.
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It wasn't huge.
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Maybe five foot,
five and a half foot...
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six to eight feet away
from me.
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When it was in the, uh, weeds,
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it had its mouth closed,
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its eyes were amber,
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almond, sort of almond-shape.
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The ears were very,
very close to the head.
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- Pointed straight up,
but they weren't real
long ears,
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but they were pointed
straight up.
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- My belief...
it was August of 1985.
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Um, at that time,
there was a friend
of the family,
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who, when I was
a high school athlete,
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and he had asked me if
I'd wanted
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to get into a fitness program,
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a running program,
to be in shape.
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I said, "Sure."
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So the plan was that I was
going to go out and run
five miles
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in the evening.
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I lived on State Route 4,
North 4381.
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At that time,
really the only place
for me to run
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was this little side road,
just south
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of my house
called Temple Road.
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If my memory serves
me correctly,
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I was going to try
to get running at,
like, eight o'clock.
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And then I procrastinated,
and this happened and
that happened.
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And by the time I was actually
ready to go run,
249
00:14:55,277 --> 00:14:56,441
it was dark.
250
00:14:56,476 --> 00:14:58,278
You know, I was a country boy.
251
00:14:58,313 --> 00:15:00,082
You know, I...I was
never afraid of the dark.
252
00:15:00,117 --> 00:15:02,315
So going out and running down
a country road at night,
253
00:15:02,350 --> 00:15:04,746
didn't bother me at all.
254
00:15:04,781 --> 00:15:07,551
I left my house, it was
probably little after nine,
255
00:15:07,586 --> 00:15:09,993
and it just... it had just
gotten dark.
256
00:15:10,787 --> 00:15:12,226
But it was a very clear night.
257
00:15:12,261 --> 00:15:13,623
I mean, it was really clear,
258
00:15:13,658 --> 00:15:14,822
visibility was good.
259
00:15:14,857 --> 00:15:16,956
I start down Temple Road,
260
00:15:16,991 --> 00:15:19,926
and at that time,
on the right hand side,
261
00:15:19,961 --> 00:15:21,994
which would be
the north side of the road,
262
00:15:22,029 --> 00:15:24,469
there was corn,
on the left side,
263
00:15:24,504 --> 00:15:26,339
which should be
the south side of Temple Road,
264
00:15:26,374 --> 00:15:27,769
it was all beans.
265
00:15:27,804 --> 00:15:30,838
And it stayed like that
all the way for one mile.
266
00:15:30,873 --> 00:15:31,938
So...
267
00:15:31,973 --> 00:15:34,380
I made it down the
State Route 19,
268
00:15:34,415 --> 00:15:35,843
and I was on my way back,
269
00:15:35,878 --> 00:15:39,385
and as I approached Flickinger
Road on the way back,
270
00:15:39,420 --> 00:15:41,882
which meant that I had
one mile to go,
271
00:15:42,753 --> 00:15:44,819
I got this weird feeling.
272
00:15:44,854 --> 00:15:46,755
It's this kind of feeling that
273
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:48,724
you know, something's wrong,
274
00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:51,232
and you know, there's...
something's watching you.
275
00:15:51,861 --> 00:15:53,366
And...
276
00:15:53,401 --> 00:15:56,831
I felt like it was coming
from those woods, so I stopped.
277
00:15:56,866 --> 00:15:59,669
I don't know why I stopped,
but I stopped,
278
00:15:59,704 --> 00:16:01,407
and I looked into the woods...
279
00:16:02,509 --> 00:16:03,871
and I didn't see anything.
280
00:16:03,906 --> 00:16:06,973
I...I didn't hear anything,
I didn't see anything.
281
00:16:07,008 --> 00:16:09,349
As I was about to start
running again,
282
00:16:09,384 --> 00:16:12,748
in the cornfield, I see
the corn start moving.
283
00:16:15,423 --> 00:16:16,917
-Whatever it was...
284
00:16:16,952 --> 00:16:21,361
...it was really big because
a lot of corn was moving.
285
00:16:21,396 --> 00:16:23,264
I mean,
a lot of corn is moving,
286
00:16:23,299 --> 00:16:25,332
and then all of a sudden,
it stopped.
287
00:16:25,367 --> 00:16:27,763
And I thought, "Wow, that's
strange."
288
00:16:27,798 --> 00:16:29,237
And so I said, "Well,
I'mma get out of here."
289
00:16:29,272 --> 00:16:31,503
So I take off running,
290
00:16:31,538 --> 00:16:33,571
and when I took off running
291
00:16:33,606 --> 00:16:35,375
whatever was in the corn...
292
00:16:35,410 --> 00:16:37,839
takes off running, too.
293
00:16:37,874 --> 00:16:40,512
And that's what startled me,
really,
294
00:16:40,547 --> 00:16:42,745
because that's not
how deer behave.
295
00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:44,219
Deer gets, you know,
296
00:16:44,254 --> 00:16:45,682
deer gets scared or
they get startled,
297
00:16:45,717 --> 00:16:47,750
or they get surprised,
and they just take off running.
298
00:16:47,785 --> 00:16:50,885
But this thing started
running with me.
299
00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,623
And when I say it started
running with me,
300
00:16:53,197 --> 00:16:55,197
it was pacing me.
301
00:16:55,232 --> 00:16:57,232
- It...and it kind of
freaked me out,
302
00:16:57,267 --> 00:16:59,366
so I stopped.
303
00:16:59,401 --> 00:17:01,566
And when I stopped...
304
00:17:01,601 --> 00:17:03,238
it stopped.
305
00:17:03,273 --> 00:17:06,241
To this day,
I think it would've
had to been, at least
306
00:17:06,276 --> 00:17:08,276
three rows in.
307
00:17:08,311 --> 00:17:11,906
And so I remember
stopping thinking,
308
00:17:11,941 --> 00:17:14,249
'How does it know
that I stopped?'
309
00:17:14,284 --> 00:17:17,681
So I stood there,
and as I stood there,
staring at the corn,
310
00:17:17,716 --> 00:17:19,848
I mean,
not a single stalk moved.
311
00:17:19,883 --> 00:17:22,323
I mean, it was perfectly,
just still.
312
00:17:22,358 --> 00:17:24,325
Like this thing that was
in the corn,
313
00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:27,724
like it was just
perfectly still.
314
00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:29,858
And I don't know how long
I stood there,
315
00:17:29,893 --> 00:17:31,893
but it spooked me.
316
00:17:31,928 --> 00:17:34,269
And... not knowing what it was,
317
00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:35,930
I said, "That's it, I'm taking
off."
318
00:17:35,965 --> 00:17:37,096
So...
319
00:17:37,131 --> 00:17:38,801
and when I took off,
320
00:17:38,836 --> 00:17:41,100
it takes off simultaneously.
321
00:17:41,476 --> 00:17:42,739
and...
322
00:17:42,774 --> 00:17:45,137
it's pacing me, and
I start running faster,
323
00:17:45,172 --> 00:17:46,842
and it starts running faster.
324
00:17:48,450 --> 00:17:51,616
I realize...
this thing's stalking me.
325
00:17:51,651 --> 00:17:53,519
Whatever...whatever is in
the corn.
326
00:17:53,554 --> 00:17:56,918
I realize when I get to Route 4,
327
00:17:56,953 --> 00:17:59,624
I'm going to have to
turn left to go home.
328
00:17:59,659 --> 00:18:02,561
And I'm just...assuming
this thing stays in the corn.
329
00:18:02,596 --> 00:18:03,958
- Assuming it did.
330
00:18:03,993 --> 00:18:05,993
When I get to Route 4 and
I turn left to go home,
331
00:18:06,028 --> 00:18:07,995
I'm gonna run right into it,
I'm going to intersect with it.
332
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,305
And...
333
00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:13,803
One of my best friends who lived
just down the road from me,
334
00:18:14,443 --> 00:18:16,542
he was to the right.
335
00:18:16,577 --> 00:18:19,413
So...my thought is "Okay."
336
00:18:19,448 --> 00:18:21,844
"I'm not going to turn left
and go home, because
I don't want this...
337
00:18:21,879 --> 00:18:23,846
I don't want to intersect
with this thing,
338
00:18:23,881 --> 00:18:25,177
so I am going to cut right."
339
00:18:25,212 --> 00:18:26,783
So, I made up my mind.
340
00:18:26,818 --> 00:18:29,654
I was just going to stay
on the road.
341
00:18:29,689 --> 00:18:33,328
And when I get to Route 4,
I'm going to cut right,
342
00:18:33,363 --> 00:18:35,121
I'm gonna run to his house.
343
00:18:35,156 --> 00:18:38,927
So I realized that as
I'm going to get there,
344
00:18:38,962 --> 00:18:41,798
there...I'm gonna run out
of corn.
345
00:18:41,833 --> 00:18:43,503
So whatever is in this corn
346
00:18:43,538 --> 00:18:46,671
is going to come out before
I actually get to Route 4.
347
00:18:48,037 --> 00:18:51,038
So, I told myself, "Don't look."
348
00:18:51,073 --> 00:18:53,612
And the reason why I said,
in my mind,
349
00:18:53,647 --> 00:18:55,251
"Don't look." Because...
350
00:18:55,286 --> 00:18:57,044
I had no idea what it was.
351
00:18:57,079 --> 00:18:59,321
And part of me thought,
352
00:18:59,356 --> 00:19:02,456
"If I looked,
I might freeze up."
353
00:19:02,491 --> 00:19:04,084
I'm coming to the end
of the corn,
354
00:19:05,021 --> 00:19:06,295
and...
355
00:19:06,330 --> 00:19:08,396
I looked,
I couldn't help myself.
356
00:19:08,431 --> 00:19:10,530
I...I...I could not help myself.
357
00:19:10,565 --> 00:19:13,863
As I'm running, I kind of
turned my body like this,
358
00:19:13,898 --> 00:19:15,733
to just kind of, like...
359
00:19:15,768 --> 00:19:17,229
side shuffle,
360
00:19:17,264 --> 00:19:19,033
and that's when I saw it.
361
00:19:21,070 --> 00:19:24,412
This thing emerges from
the corn,
362
00:19:24,447 --> 00:19:26,315
and it was about six feet tall,
363
00:19:26,350 --> 00:19:28,350
because that's how tall
the corn was.
364
00:19:29,276 --> 00:19:30,979
And, it...
365
00:19:31,014 --> 00:19:32,552
had the head of a dog,
366
00:19:33,423 --> 00:19:35,555
high pointed ears.
367
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:38,921
- And it's shoulders
were rolled like this,
368
00:19:38,956 --> 00:19:42,254
like it had, like, terrible
pos...like a person
with terrible posture.
369
00:19:42,289 --> 00:19:46,698
It's shoulder rolled and
its arms were long,
370
00:19:46,733 --> 00:19:49,866
and, I remember,
it just turned its head
371
00:19:49,901 --> 00:19:51,604
like this and looked at me.
372
00:19:53,575 --> 00:19:56,543
I saw its head,
I saw the ears.
373
00:19:56,578 --> 00:19:59,612
Could I tell you
what color its fur was? No.
374
00:19:59,647 --> 00:20:02,175
It could have been
real dark gray,
it could have been black.
375
00:20:02,210 --> 00:20:03,616
It could have been dark brown.
376
00:20:03,651 --> 00:20:06,751
I can't tell you what color
the fur was for sure.
377
00:20:06,786 --> 00:20:09,886
The interesting thing is,
when I saw it,
378
00:20:09,921 --> 00:20:12,284
I didn't immediately think
werewolf.
379
00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:14,429
I just didn't, because...
380
00:20:14,464 --> 00:20:16,893
as we talked about,
my frame of reference
381
00:20:16,928 --> 00:20:21,667
for what a werewolf was,
was something I had seen on TV8.
382
00:20:21,702 --> 00:20:27,233
It was a man with a flat face,
and it wore torn,
tattered clothes.
383
00:20:27,268 --> 00:20:29,411
It did not look like what I saw.
384
00:20:29,446 --> 00:20:31,875
And the only frame
of reference that I had,
385
00:20:31,910 --> 00:20:35,714
was it looked just
like the Egyptian God, Anubis.
386
00:20:35,749 --> 00:20:37,749
That's the best way
I can describe it.
387
00:20:42,118 --> 00:20:45,790
There was an almost
a crackling feeling.
388
00:20:45,825 --> 00:20:48,254
The hair on the back
of my neck stood up.
389
00:20:48,289 --> 00:20:52,401
Almost like a static,
static electricity, maybe.
390
00:20:56,363 --> 00:21:02,345
- And, I suppose that's
a sixth sense, saying,
"It's time to leave."
391
00:21:05,812 --> 00:21:11,849
I don't know whose voice it was,
and I hear "Let's go, now."
392
00:21:11,884 --> 00:21:15,655
I run around and the creature,
393
00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:18,493
it didn't move like a human.
394
00:21:18,528 --> 00:21:22,662
- Maybe, it moved like
a dog that's walking
on its hind legs.
395
00:21:22,697 --> 00:21:25,863
It almost moved kangaroo-like.
396
00:21:25,898 --> 00:21:29,130
Like the legs were bent
the wrong way.
397
00:21:29,165 --> 00:21:32,034
That's sort of freakier
than about anything,
398
00:21:32,069 --> 00:21:34,575
is to see something that
399
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:37,677
your mind does not
want to grasp.
400
00:21:37,712 --> 00:21:40,372
And it's on two legs.
401
00:21:40,407 --> 00:21:46,620
- It kind of does
a hop, skipping motion,
not very many feet.
402
00:21:46,655 --> 00:21:50,052
It followed me, which
was no big deal
and it was so close.
403
00:21:50,087 --> 00:21:55,189
It did its hop skipping motion
and I could see it out
of my periphery.
404
00:21:55,224 --> 00:21:57,895
And it followed me
as I ran around.
405
00:21:57,930 --> 00:22:02,031
I managed to get
into my, uh, passenger side.
406
00:22:02,066 --> 00:22:07,333
And, as he pulls off,
because there was so
much gravel,
407
00:22:07,368 --> 00:22:09,973
the gravel
was spinning some,
408
00:22:10,008 --> 00:22:14,208
and it was running
alongside of the car,
409
00:22:14,243 --> 00:22:18,685
looking at me, straight,
you know, straight in the eye.
410
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,051
It's really hard to explain
unless you've ever had
411
00:22:22,086 --> 00:22:25,318
something that maybe
can't be explained.
412
00:22:25,353 --> 00:22:27,892
You know, that's
happened to you.
413
00:22:27,927 --> 00:22:31,500
I simply focused on the eyes
and its movement,
414
00:22:31,535 --> 00:22:34,701
because its movement
was so unusual to me.
415
00:22:34,736 --> 00:22:38,804
I really can't say
how many feet it followed,
416
00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:41,708
hopping along, beside the car.
417
00:22:41,743 --> 00:22:43,908
But, I sort of felt in danger.
418
00:22:43,943 --> 00:22:47,010
I wasn't terrified because
419
00:22:47,045 --> 00:22:50,585
nothing was going into my head
the way it should.
420
00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:55,216
I guess it's what happens
when you encounter something
421
00:22:55,251 --> 00:22:58,494
that you have no parameters
for what it is.
422
00:23:01,257 --> 00:23:04,929
And when I saw it,
I did kind of pause.
423
00:23:04,964 --> 00:23:09,098
I didn't freeze, but I did kind
of pause, and I looked at it.
424
00:23:09,133 --> 00:23:12,101
- Like I said,
there's weeds, wildflowers
425
00:23:12,136 --> 00:23:14,708
and other stuff that runs
right up to the corn.
426
00:23:14,743 --> 00:23:18,404
So all I could see
was from, like, thigh down,
427
00:23:18,439 --> 00:23:20,208
so I don't know what
his feet look like.
428
00:23:20,243 --> 00:23:22,650
I don't know what its knees
look like or anything
like that.
429
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:25,785
But, I saw its torso.
430
00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:28,216
It... But, when it turned
and looked at me,
431
00:23:28,251 --> 00:23:32,957
it just looked like
it had this massive chest.
432
00:23:32,992 --> 00:23:34,728
So I take off across
Route 4.
433
00:23:34,763 --> 00:23:37,731
So, I'm, I'm gunning it
as fast as I can.
434
00:23:37,766 --> 00:23:41,570
This thing has dropped
to all fours and is chasing me.
435
00:23:41,605 --> 00:23:43,671
As I'm getting closer
to my buddy's house,
436
00:23:43,706 --> 00:23:46,872
I knew that they
had an in-ground pool.
437
00:23:46,907 --> 00:23:49,677
And they had a fence
around, a chain link fence.
438
00:23:49,712 --> 00:23:54,176
But as I'm getting closer,
I look and I see
the gates shut.
439
00:23:54,211 --> 00:23:56,079
I was like, "Oh."
440
00:23:56,114 --> 00:23:58,279
And I know if this thing
is following me,
441
00:23:58,314 --> 00:24:00,655
my only options is,
I'm just going to have
to jump the fence.
442
00:24:00,690 --> 00:24:04,351
- So I jump
and I throw my feet up
like in the air,
443
00:24:04,386 --> 00:24:06,518
like the old Fosbury flop
high jump.
444
00:24:06,553 --> 00:24:09,389
And I put my hand
on the top of the fence
and it was scalloped.
445
00:24:09,424 --> 00:24:10,489
I remember this.
446
00:24:10,524 --> 00:24:12,667
It had those, y'know,
the scallops.
447
00:24:12,702 --> 00:24:15,835
And I pushed it down
and when I did,
and then it popped back up,
448
00:24:15,870 --> 00:24:18,871
it just slashed me
right across my side.
449
00:24:18,906 --> 00:24:24,008
I land in like a stumbling
motion, and I just dive
headfirst into the pool.
450
00:24:24,043 --> 00:24:26,175
- And I'm blowing out
my breath and I am going down
451
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:30,146
and I can feel it, I can
still feel it, sliding out
the pool. It was ten feet deep.
452
00:24:30,181 --> 00:24:32,214
I'm sliding down.
453
00:24:32,249 --> 00:24:34,887
I blow all the air out
and I get to the bottom.
454
00:24:34,922 --> 00:24:40,728
And I somehow pinch my nose
and I look up and I am fully
expecting to see this thing,
455
00:24:40,763 --> 00:24:43,698
with the rolled shoulders
and the dog head,
456
00:24:43,733 --> 00:24:46,492
and the big chest
sitting on the side
of the pool.
457
00:24:48,595 --> 00:24:51,497
But it seemed like a long time,
I was on the bottom pool
and I'm looking up,
458
00:24:51,532 --> 00:24:52,608
and I'm looking up
459
00:24:53,908 --> 00:24:55,567
and I don't see anything.
460
00:24:55,602 --> 00:24:58,240
So I'm like,
"Oh, my God."
461
00:24:58,275 --> 00:25:00,979
I climb up out of the pool
and I run.
462
00:25:01,014 --> 00:25:04,477
And I rip that door open
as hard as I can.
463
00:25:04,512 --> 00:25:09,350
And my buddy was sitting there,
he screams and I scream.
464
00:25:09,385 --> 00:25:11,517
And I slammed the door.
465
00:25:12,223 --> 00:25:13,585
And I remember screaming,
466
00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:15,026
"Turn the lights out,
turn the lights out."
467
00:25:16,029 --> 00:25:17,699
And he has no idea
what's going on.
468
00:25:17,734 --> 00:25:20,834
So we turn the lights out
and I'm just looking
out the windows.
469
00:25:20,869 --> 00:25:24,431
I'm looking out the windows,
thinking, "Is this thing
out there?"
470
00:25:29,141 --> 00:25:31,911
- The next night,
I played cards with guys
471
00:25:31,946 --> 00:25:33,847
on the basketball team,
472
00:25:33,882 --> 00:25:35,948
and I told them the story.
473
00:25:35,983 --> 00:25:38,247
But I did not tell them
what I saw.
474
00:25:38,282 --> 00:25:42,086
I vividly remember, um,
the next night.
475
00:25:42,121 --> 00:25:43,857
We were at a friend's house.
476
00:25:43,892 --> 00:25:47,586
So we're all in the garage,
outside, playing cards.
477
00:25:47,621 --> 00:25:50,424
It was a... It was a bunch
of us guys, that went
to high school together.
478
00:25:50,459 --> 00:25:53,966
And he's telling the story
about outrunning,
479
00:25:54,001 --> 00:25:57,838
and having something
pacing him in the cornfield.
480
00:25:57,873 --> 00:26:03,910
We... We were all teammates,
and what teammates do is we give
each other a bunch of crap.
481
00:26:03,945 --> 00:26:06,913
He probably already got
enough crap from us as it was,
482
00:26:06,948 --> 00:26:09,014
so he didn't want
to get any more.
483
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:14,250
And... And you don't want
to be called crazy, y'know,
but he did tell us the story.
484
00:26:14,285 --> 00:26:16,450
I remember the story
and he's asking, like,
485
00:26:16,485 --> 00:26:18,958
"What do you guys
think this was?"
486
00:26:18,993 --> 00:26:23,732
And, nobody had an answer.
487
00:26:23,767 --> 00:26:27,263
- When I did
the research, I found out
that on Flickinger Road
488
00:26:27,298 --> 00:26:29,903
to just down
on Flickinger Road,
489
00:26:29,938 --> 00:26:32,598
is at least two
Indian burial grounds.
490
00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:37,504
So, that made me start
thinking in a, in a totally
different way
491
00:26:37,539 --> 00:26:39,275
than what I always thought.
492
00:26:39,310 --> 00:26:43,279
For years I had thought,
this is a flesh
and blood creature.
493
00:26:43,314 --> 00:26:45,545
That it's wolf-like
or dog-like,
494
00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:48,482
and no one seems
to catch them because
they are really fast.
495
00:26:48,517 --> 00:26:50,792
They're really smart,
they're really stealthy.
496
00:26:50,827 --> 00:26:56,358
Now my mindset has switched
to, um, "I think these
are supernatural creatures."
497
00:26:57,526 --> 00:26:59,394
That's my opinion.
498
00:26:59,429 --> 00:27:03,563
I revisited where this happened
about a year and a half ago.
499
00:27:03,598 --> 00:27:04,872
I hadn't been...
500
00:27:04,907 --> 00:27:08,942
I hadn't been back
in those many, many years.
501
00:27:08,977 --> 00:27:11,670
- I found out there's
Indian mounds there.
502
00:27:11,705 --> 00:27:18,754
Adena Indians, which are very,
were very common in this part
of Ohio.
503
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:22,450
I've read, where your Dogman,
for some reason,
504
00:27:22,485 --> 00:27:26,322
are found
or seen frequently
505
00:27:26,357 --> 00:27:27,763
where there's Indian mounds,
506
00:27:28,656 --> 00:27:30,227
so I don't know.
507
00:27:30,262 --> 00:27:33,164
Y'know, I just, I don't know
what to say to that.
508
00:27:33,199 --> 00:27:38,103
- If you believe
the aspect of a Dogman,
werewolf creature
509
00:27:38,138 --> 00:27:41,700
being more supernatural
than natural,
510
00:27:41,735 --> 00:27:47,673
you can't hardly go any,
anywhere here and not have
a Native American settlement.
511
00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:54,020
It just lends itself to that
angle of these creatures
512
00:27:54,055 --> 00:27:59,355
being y'know,
the guardians of the Native
American burial mounds,
513
00:27:59,390 --> 00:28:00,653
or grounds.
514
00:28:07,365 --> 00:28:10,762
My name is Adam Davis,
and I've...
515
00:28:10,797 --> 00:28:14,271
After personal experiences,
initially with Dogman,
516
00:28:14,306 --> 00:28:20,574
I've been a researcher since
about, officially since,
about 2005.
517
00:28:20,609 --> 00:28:27,482
The... My initial, actual
sighting was in 2005,
back in October 19th.
518
00:28:27,517 --> 00:28:33,455
After we had initially
started hearing about
519
00:28:33,490 --> 00:28:37,690
different howling
reports of everything
out around
520
00:28:37,725 --> 00:28:41,001
uh, the Germantown
and Liberty, Ohio area.
521
00:28:44,501 --> 00:28:48,239
My girlfriend and I
decided to go out
to Anthony Road and...
522
00:28:49,572 --> 00:28:51,605
And to see if we could find
any tracks.
523
00:28:52,641 --> 00:28:54,443
And as we crossed the bridge,
524
00:28:55,886 --> 00:28:58,150
I was doing my usual thing,
525
00:28:58,185 --> 00:29:00,284
looking down at the sandbars.
526
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,121
Y'know, to see if there
was anything there.
527
00:29:02,156 --> 00:29:04,123
I didn't see any tracks.
528
00:29:04,158 --> 00:29:07,896
Because sometimes we would see
tracks in the sand bars.
529
00:29:07,931 --> 00:29:13,462
And we got across the bridge
and it kind of takes
a little turn.
530
00:29:13,497 --> 00:29:16,795
And down,
down a little downhill.
531
00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:21,437
And, I tell her to stop
because I see something black,
532
00:29:21,472 --> 00:29:24,275
over on the right hand
side of the road.
533
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:26,145
I was... You know...
534
00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:29,841
I was on the passenger side,
so it was on my side.
535
00:29:29,876 --> 00:29:33,020
And, I was...
Because I was looking
in the mud
536
00:29:33,055 --> 00:29:35,891
and silt and everything,
to see if there was any tracks.
537
00:29:39,061 --> 00:29:43,624
I get out and I go over to it
and I look at it.
538
00:29:43,659 --> 00:29:45,659
And I realize it's an article
of clothing.
539
00:29:45,694 --> 00:29:51,632
It was a pair of pants,
of women's brand of pants,
in a petite size.
540
00:29:51,667 --> 00:29:53,568
And I pick them up
and I'm looking at them.
541
00:29:53,603 --> 00:29:59,607
And there's silt on the back
of the pants from where they
had lain...
542
00:29:59,642 --> 00:30:06,482
lain against the dampness
of the ground, and they were
slightly damp from the rain.
543
00:30:06,517 --> 00:30:12,928
And then I took them and turned
them around, and I realized
that it was...
544
00:30:20,069 --> 00:30:21,530
I realized
545
00:30:21,565 --> 00:30:23,730
that the front of the pants...
546
00:30:23,765 --> 00:30:25,468
were just like,
totally shredded.
547
00:30:27,472 --> 00:30:29,109
And matted with blood.
548
00:30:29,144 --> 00:30:33,542
And it was not dried blood
or anything.
549
00:30:33,577 --> 00:30:35,379
It was just congealing.
550
00:30:36,283 --> 00:30:37,381
I look across the road,
551
00:30:38,780 --> 00:30:42,584
and I see red fabric.
552
00:30:42,619 --> 00:30:46,995
So, I mean, at this point
in time, it was kind of...
553
00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:51,296
And I really
was starting to put together
what I'm seeing.
554
00:30:51,331 --> 00:30:55,564
And, y'know,
as I'm looking at it,
I walk across the road
555
00:30:55,599 --> 00:31:00,173
and I find a sweater and a...
and a T shirt
556
00:31:00,208 --> 00:31:02,241
that are still partially
inside of each other.
557
00:31:04,047 --> 00:31:09,083
I looked... and I looked
at it and there was blood
there on the sweater.
558
00:31:09,118 --> 00:31:11,052
But the T-shirt was worse.
559
00:31:11,087 --> 00:31:13,956
It was shredded
and matted with blood,
560
00:31:15,091 --> 00:31:18,224
and I called the police.
561
00:31:18,259 --> 00:31:21,095
I got ahold of dispatch
and told them what we found.
562
00:31:22,263 --> 00:31:25,330
And, this is what
really kills me.
563
00:31:27,136 --> 00:31:29,334
They laughed it off.
564
00:31:29,369 --> 00:31:33,503
They said, "Oh, it's probably
just someone's trash that,
that they left out there."
565
00:31:33,538 --> 00:31:35,406
It's nothing.
Don't worry about it.
566
00:31:38,312 --> 00:31:42,149
So, I told my girlfriend,
"We're going to go
to the house."
567
00:31:42,184 --> 00:31:44,481
"We're going to get a bag
and come back for this."
568
00:31:44,516 --> 00:31:47,946
Because we didn't have
anything to put it in.
569
00:31:47,981 --> 00:31:52,621
It was maybe ten minutes
from there to the house
and back.
570
00:31:52,656 --> 00:31:55,756
We got back,
those clothes were gone.
571
00:31:58,464 --> 00:32:01,861
They had taken a vehicle
and driven over the places
572
00:32:01,896 --> 00:32:05,799
where those clothes
were laying, where there
was an imprint in the mud,
573
00:32:05,834 --> 00:32:08,967
or any trace of blood
because they were, the...
574
00:32:09,002 --> 00:32:12,674
the sweater and the T-shirt
were laying in...
575
00:32:12,709 --> 00:32:15,215
on the edge of the road
in the, in the tall grass.
576
00:32:16,845 --> 00:32:24,851
In 2015, I wind up meeting up
with this guy from Hamilton.
577
00:32:24,886 --> 00:32:30,494
He was telling us how he had
been, y' know, looking
at anomalous, reports,
578
00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:36,368
and everything, where
he was getting descriptions
of oversize, heeded prints.
579
00:32:36,403 --> 00:32:39,998
He said he was basically
going from house to house,
580
00:32:40,033 --> 00:32:44,343
through the Germantown
dam area, y'know,
where there were...
581
00:32:44,378 --> 00:32:47,346
Where there's houses
along the edge of the park.
582
00:32:47,381 --> 00:32:50,349
And, he came
to this one family
583
00:32:50,384 --> 00:32:54,980
that said that
in 2000... April 2006,
584
00:32:55,015 --> 00:32:58,621
their daughter went out
one morning,
to go out jogging
585
00:32:58,656 --> 00:33:04,198
like she usually would do,
and she never came back.
586
00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:10,336
She went out jogging along
Anthony Road, and up around
the backside of the dam.
587
00:33:10,371 --> 00:33:14,538
I just dropped
to my knees
when I heard this.
588
00:33:14,573 --> 00:33:17,739
I mean, it was confirmation,
but it was like the worst kind
of confirmation.
589
00:33:21,382 --> 00:33:27,518
There was no question
in my mind that if it was
something that he...
590
00:33:27,553 --> 00:33:29,619
It was a Dogman that did that.
591
00:33:29,654 --> 00:33:33,986
Because, first of all,
what would have happened?
592
00:33:34,021 --> 00:33:37,363
What would have happened
to the body otherwise?
593
00:33:37,398 --> 00:33:41,829
The body was gone.
The clothes were shredded.
594
00:33:41,864 --> 00:33:45,239
There's no bear out there.
There's no cougars out there.
595
00:33:45,274 --> 00:33:47,571
There's no natural predators
that would do that.
596
00:33:47,606 --> 00:33:50,607
And there is, from what I've
heard of other reports,
597
00:33:50,642 --> 00:33:55,282
there are the reports of the
where they will, y'know,
598
00:33:55,317 --> 00:33:59,451
essentially shred off
the clothes off of a human
in an attack.
599
00:33:59,486 --> 00:34:02,454
The LBLO case is one of them.
600
00:34:02,489 --> 00:34:08,053
If... from the Land Between
the Lakes back in '82.
601
00:34:08,088 --> 00:34:12,497
That... They said that
the victims were pretty
much disrobed
602
00:34:12,532 --> 00:34:14,433
of their clothes,
they were just shredded off.
603
00:34:17,603 --> 00:34:18,998
And I've heard of other reports.
604
00:34:19,033 --> 00:34:23,002
Where there were attacks
or at least alleged attacks.
605
00:34:29,142 --> 00:34:30,647
- Ah,
there is a great deal of fear
606
00:34:30,682 --> 00:34:33,287
inherent within these
particular encounters.
607
00:34:33,322 --> 00:34:38,490
It is as if a very
intelligent animal
608
00:34:38,525 --> 00:34:41,790
is evaluating you.
609
00:34:41,825 --> 00:34:44,991
I've heard reports
of people seeing them,
610
00:34:45,026 --> 00:34:48,830
just watching them
from the trees and making
no other kind of movement.
611
00:34:48,865 --> 00:34:54,440
Um, I also have taken reports
from people that have claimed
that they've heard them
612
00:34:54,475 --> 00:34:57,773
coming up onto the porch
and trying the doorknob.
613
00:34:57,808 --> 00:35:02,679
Or, y'know, even more uncanny,
trying to call them outside.
614
00:35:02,714 --> 00:35:05,352
These are the things that
that raise the hackles
615
00:35:05,387 --> 00:35:07,816
on the neck and goose bumps
and everything else.
616
00:35:07,851 --> 00:35:11,292
But, we are definitely dealing
with not just an animal,
617
00:35:11,327 --> 00:35:12,821
we're dealing
with something here
618
00:35:12,856 --> 00:35:15,054
that has a particular
intelligence to it.
619
00:35:15,089 --> 00:35:18,695
- Ah, but from all the
encounters that I've...
that I've taken notes on
620
00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:22,468
and the eyewitnesses
I have investigated,
and spoken with,
621
00:35:22,503 --> 00:35:23,997
um, it's never
a pleasant encounter.
622
00:35:24,032 --> 00:35:27,198
You don't come out of this
feeling enlivened in any way.
623
00:35:27,233 --> 00:35:28,507
Encounters with dogmen,
624
00:35:28,542 --> 00:35:30,641
encounters with these
werewolf type beings,
625
00:35:30,676 --> 00:35:34,205
is something that, um,
is the stuff of nightmares.
626
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,745
Again, people
have asked me,
627
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:39,144
"What happens whenever
you encounter these things?"
628
00:35:39,179 --> 00:35:41,047
Well, we really
don't know, do we?
629
00:35:41,082 --> 00:35:44,556
I mean, a lot of people
go missing and are never
heard from again.
630
00:35:44,591 --> 00:35:47,592
So, it might have been
an encounter with one
of these creatures.
631
00:36:09,418 --> 00:36:10,714
Land Between the Lakes
632
00:36:10,749 --> 00:36:13,420
is the largest inland peninsula
in America.
633
00:36:13,455 --> 00:36:15,554
And it wasn't always like that.
634
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:19,019
It used to be a much smaller
trickle of water coming through
a couple of rivers.
635
00:36:19,054 --> 00:36:21,329
It used to be called,
Between the Rivers.
636
00:36:21,364 --> 00:36:24,596
And for whatever reason,
they flooded the areas
637
00:36:24,631 --> 00:36:27,434
and made Lake Barkley
and Lake Kentucky.
638
00:36:27,469 --> 00:36:30,767
And that caused the creation
of Land Between the Lakes.
639
00:36:30,802 --> 00:36:33,033
You got that large
inland peninsula, in America.
640
00:36:33,068 --> 00:36:36,201
There are over 200 cemeteries
in Land Between the Lakes,
y'know.
641
00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:40,073
It's got, really a dark history
because you know a lot
of people's homes,
642
00:36:40,108 --> 00:36:43,109
when they were getting
the area ready, they ran
them out of their homes.
643
00:36:43,144 --> 00:36:45,419
The government threatened them
in one way or another.
644
00:36:48,556 --> 00:36:52,888
There is a lot of dark history
with this land, and I believe
645
00:36:52,923 --> 00:36:55,561
there's even a lot
of cemeteries
that are under water now.
646
00:36:55,596 --> 00:36:58,465
You can still go across
the land and find people's
old homesteads,
647
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:01,798
where you can see the evidence
where they...
648
00:37:01,833 --> 00:37:05,340
they took over the area
by I reckon, eminent domain.
649
00:37:07,509 --> 00:37:10,477
Since the 1700s,
before they flooded everything,
650
00:37:10,512 --> 00:37:12,270
French explorers
were coming through
the regions,
651
00:37:12,305 --> 00:37:15,141
and they would report that
there were Rougarous
in the region.
652
00:37:16,045 --> 00:37:18,045
Basically a French werewolf.
653
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,619
Y'know, they were very
superstitious about that kind
of thing back then.
654
00:37:20,654 --> 00:37:24,183
So, they probably thought
there are werewolves
in this area.
655
00:37:26,693 --> 00:37:29,595
Of all the Native American
history here,
656
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:31,828
I don't know of all the
tribes that were here.
657
00:37:31,863 --> 00:37:33,929
But there is a legend
of the Shawnee tribes,
658
00:37:33,964 --> 00:37:37,570
that there was a Shawnee
medicine man, in the region,
659
00:37:37,605 --> 00:37:44,511
who was a skin walker and they
blamed him for some
of the werewolf incidents.
660
00:37:44,546 --> 00:37:46,612
- Some, something
of that nature.
661
00:37:46,647 --> 00:37:49,945
What is so interesting
about this particular area,
662
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:54,422
is, this was the area of
for the Woodland Indians.
663
00:37:54,457 --> 00:38:00,956
There was a wolf cult part
of that culture at one time,
maybe as early as 1300.
664
00:38:00,991 --> 00:38:04,322
There's instances of
mounds being uncovered,
665
00:38:04,357 --> 00:38:09,404
where the entombed person
was made to appear as if
666
00:38:09,439 --> 00:38:12,440
it were an amalgamation
of man and wolf.
667
00:38:12,475 --> 00:38:16,367
One particular tomb
had the body wrapped in furs
668
00:38:16,402 --> 00:38:20,547
and the jaw was actually
dislocated and some
of the teeth were removed,
669
00:38:20,582 --> 00:38:24,045
in order to place
a wolf snout over it.
670
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,455
What was going on in this area
is really kind of strange,
671
00:38:27,490 --> 00:38:29,116
whenever you talk about this,
672
00:38:29,151 --> 00:38:33,021
this assuming of man and wolf
at the same time.
673
00:38:33,056 --> 00:38:37,531
- Because these mounds
in which this culture
was a part of,
674
00:38:37,566 --> 00:38:39,665
is very near to Defiance, Ohio,
675
00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:42,195
very near
to Elkhorn, Wisconsin,
676
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:47,508
and also very close to the area
of Land Between the Lakes
as well.
677
00:38:47,543 --> 00:38:48,773
- It's
always seemed like
678
00:38:48,808 --> 00:38:51,006
Dogman is a bit
aggressive in nature,
679
00:38:51,041 --> 00:38:55,010
because you hear so many stories
of people that see it and it
chases them out of an area.
680
00:38:55,045 --> 00:38:59,553
Uh, but, there are multiple
sightings, up from here
in the region where people
681
00:38:59,588 --> 00:39:04,690
just see it run across the trail
or it doesn't chase them,
y'know, they'll just see it.
682
00:39:04,725 --> 00:39:06,351
It seems to be there's
683
00:39:06,386 --> 00:39:08,793
a physical creature of some
kind, uh, y'know.
684
00:39:08,828 --> 00:39:10,729
We find footprints
in the region.
685
00:39:10,764 --> 00:39:14,634
A gentleman's seen a mother
Dogman and pups run across
the roads.
686
00:39:14,669 --> 00:39:18,099
So, there seems to be some kind
of biological animal,
in the region.
687
00:39:18,134 --> 00:39:19,606
- Everything
that we can find, y'know.
688
00:39:19,641 --> 00:39:21,432
You have families
that are physically attacked.
689
00:39:21,467 --> 00:39:27,548
And, people that come up
missing, people supposedly
eating upon.
690
00:39:27,583 --> 00:39:30,243
It's alive, it's aggressive.
It needs to eat.
691
00:39:38,792 --> 00:39:41,254
We had just moved.
I was married at the time.
692
00:39:41,289 --> 00:39:43,795
And my now ex-wife,
693
00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:47,700
we had moved into
this little trailer,
out in the country.
694
00:39:47,735 --> 00:39:49,570
We were freshly married,
695
00:39:49,605 --> 00:39:51,297
engaged, getting ready
to get married at the time.
696
00:39:51,332 --> 00:39:53,574
We got married,
right as we moved in.
697
00:39:53,609 --> 00:39:55,268
And so it was our first.
698
00:39:55,303 --> 00:39:56,742
Our first place together.
699
00:39:56,777 --> 00:39:59,140
Moved in, it was peaceful
and affordable
700
00:39:59,175 --> 00:40:02,044
and we were young
and poor and didn't
have a lot of money then.
701
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,080
So it, it was in our budget.
702
00:40:05,115 --> 00:40:06,983
And we had never...
703
00:40:07,018 --> 00:40:10,481
never had any inkling
going in there?
704
00:40:10,516 --> 00:40:13,385
There was none of that feeling
when we were
looking at the place.
705
00:40:17,765 --> 00:40:20,359
So I mean there,
there was a lot of history
through that area,
706
00:40:20,394 --> 00:40:24,803
but there was, no, there was...
There was slavery there,
there was Union occupation.
707
00:40:24,838 --> 00:40:28,466
Ah, you know, there was,
there was deaths in the area,
and it was very old.
708
00:40:28,501 --> 00:40:31,975
And it, it was Native American
land at one point in time, too.
709
00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:35,979
And we were,
we were settled in and...
710
00:40:36,014 --> 00:40:39,983
I'm guessing within,
like a month, things started
to get different.
711
00:40:40,018 --> 00:40:44,515
You had... During the day,
it was very peaceful
and serene,
712
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:47,320
very rural, country setting.
713
00:40:47,355 --> 00:40:51,093
At night, from the time
the sun went down,
from dusk until about 4 a.m.,
714
00:40:51,128 --> 00:40:52,930
there was just
this different vibe.
715
00:40:52,965 --> 00:40:57,000
And we would, ah...
716
00:40:57,035 --> 00:40:58,672
feel this different.
717
00:40:58,707 --> 00:41:00,971
You would just walk outside
and it would just initiate
718
00:41:01,006 --> 00:41:04,040
this extreme, instant
fight or flight response.
719
00:41:04,075 --> 00:41:06,977
Ah... mostly flight.
There was no fight
720
00:41:07,012 --> 00:41:09,540
and you just didn't
want to be out there.
721
00:41:09,575 --> 00:41:16,283
Then, we would go into this...
start hearing noises
and scratches outside the house.
722
00:41:16,318 --> 00:41:19,088
You would see from the old
cemetery in homestead,
723
00:41:19,123 --> 00:41:23,026
which was next
to where we lived.
724
00:41:23,061 --> 00:41:27,833
Ah, we started seeing red
glowing eyes, and they would be
seven to eight feet in the air.
725
00:41:27,868 --> 00:41:32,607
And... the shadow that you've
seen was bipedal,
726
00:41:32,642 --> 00:41:36,138
and it almost looked like a...
like a giant canine.
727
00:41:36,173 --> 00:41:39,977
It didn't have any, you know,
human features to it.
728
00:41:40,012 --> 00:41:44,014
And seven to eight feet tall,
very broad shouldered.
729
00:41:44,049 --> 00:41:49,756
And it had this, had this...
canine-looking head to it.
730
00:41:49,791 --> 00:41:53,551
It didn't... you know,
it just did look
like a giant dog.
731
00:41:53,586 --> 00:41:59,931
And... the very first time
that I... that I heard,
heard anything, um...
732
00:41:59,966 --> 00:42:03,704
We had gone,
gone grocery shopping
on Friday night,
733
00:42:03,739 --> 00:42:07,532
gone out to eat, come home,
put everything away,
went to bed.
734
00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:10,777
And when we were lying in bed,
and this,
735
00:42:10,812 --> 00:42:14,506
this raking of claws
was going on, right outside
736
00:42:14,541 --> 00:42:18,114
outside of the house
in the bedroom.
737
00:42:18,149 --> 00:42:24,021
I just, I refused to go out.
We just rode it out,
let it go, and...
738
00:42:24,056 --> 00:42:29,224
We went out the next morning,
and the... from the area,
you could hear the noise
739
00:42:29,259 --> 00:42:33,558
from what's probably,
you know, seven to eight
feet up off the ground.
740
00:42:33,593 --> 00:42:36,000
And, and there were no
claw marks or anything,
741
00:42:36,035 --> 00:42:39,366
but we heard
definitely raking of claws,
the whole night long.
742
00:42:39,401 --> 00:42:43,975
And then shortly
after that, ah, we were,
we were in the kitchen
743
00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:46,538
and, and noticed
the glowing eyes
in the woods.
744
00:42:46,573 --> 00:42:49,409
And then we stepped out
on the front to look and...
745
00:42:49,444 --> 00:42:53,479
And you could just see it
sitting there watching
and just observing us.
746
00:42:53,514 --> 00:42:56,119
And it would just do that
every once in a while.
747
00:42:56,792 --> 00:42:59,551
The, the most...
748
00:42:59,586 --> 00:43:03,258
The most common thing
that it did all the time
was this.
749
00:43:03,293 --> 00:43:08,098
This energy that it put off,
it just inundated your senses
with instant fight or flight.
750
00:43:08,133 --> 00:43:12,168
And, and you could tell,
the sun went down
to about 4 a.m.
751
00:43:12,203 --> 00:43:15,336
You just dealt with that.
And if you went
outside the house,
752
00:43:15,371 --> 00:43:17,602
it, it just overwhelmed you.
753
00:43:17,637 --> 00:43:21,672
It was very, it was the most
intense thing I've ever
experienced in my life.
754
00:43:21,707 --> 00:43:26,116
It would be, it didn't do this
every night. It would
be gone for a few days,
755
00:43:26,151 --> 00:43:27,678
and then it would come back.
756
00:43:27,713 --> 00:43:30,857
And I don't know if we were
just on part of its route,
757
00:43:30,892 --> 00:43:33,486
and that whole area
was its territory.
758
00:43:33,521 --> 00:43:39,866
Ah, but every time...
we saw the eyes, it was always
in the old homestead
759
00:43:39,901 --> 00:43:43,067
at the old family cemetery.
It is where it always was.
760
00:43:46,732 --> 00:43:51,273
My now ex-wife, then she would
see things. And I traveled
for work, which I mostly do.
761
00:43:51,308 --> 00:43:55,915
And she had things happen
while I was at...
I was at work.
762
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:58,709
And it was to the point
where she was like,
"We have to move.
763
00:43:58,744 --> 00:44:00,381
I can't do this anymore."
764
00:44:00,416 --> 00:44:02,152
So that's when
we decided to go.
765
00:44:04,255 --> 00:44:06,794
It was extremely peaceful.
766
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:09,027
Other than that,
we didn't have anything.
767
00:44:09,062 --> 00:44:13,031
And that was the only issues
we had the whole time
we were there.
768
00:44:13,066 --> 00:44:15,737
But I mean, we lived there
six months and
it made us leave.
769
00:44:16,729 --> 00:44:18,630
It was very odd.
770
00:44:18,665 --> 00:44:22,271
It was almost like it had
this ability to where it was...
771
00:44:24,011 --> 00:44:26,176
kind of real and then
kind of spiritual.
772
00:44:26,211 --> 00:44:29,817
Like it, it had some,
some physical attributes to it.
773
00:44:29,852 --> 00:44:34,855
But, the rest of it seemed
very, very supernatural
and, and paranormal.
774
00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:56,734
I was 18 when I had
my first encounter.
775
00:44:56,769 --> 00:44:58,043
I was in the Bell City swamp.
776
00:44:58,078 --> 00:45:00,177
I couldn't...
I used to hunt a lot.
777
00:45:00,212 --> 00:45:03,609
Every given night available,
I was out in the woods.
778
00:45:03,644 --> 00:45:07,613
And I had heard
about something
in the woods.
779
00:45:07,648 --> 00:45:10,220
Eighteen. Stupid.
I wasn't scared much.
780
00:45:10,255 --> 00:45:12,651
Took my dogs out.
781
00:45:12,686 --> 00:45:16,028
We're having a good night.
We killed five coons
I think that night.
782
00:45:17,724 --> 00:45:20,428
We trailed a bobcat.
Just got off it.
783
00:45:20,463 --> 00:45:22,562
We went deeper,
about one in the morning.
784
00:45:24,764 --> 00:45:26,940
I should have known.
We didn't hear deer.
785
00:45:26,975 --> 00:45:30,306
We didn't see deer,
we didn't hear crickets.
786
00:45:30,341 --> 00:45:33,375
That's all signs
of big predators in the area.
I should have known.
787
00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:37,951
I had two dogs
come back out of three.
788
00:45:37,986 --> 00:45:42,923
And when I say two come back,
they howled past me
and didn't slow down.
789
00:45:42,958 --> 00:45:45,717
And these are trained coon
dogs, trained to stop.
790
00:45:45,752 --> 00:45:50,557
I was worried because
the one that was missing
was worth about $1500,
791
00:45:50,592 --> 00:45:52,328
and she was my prize dog.
792
00:45:53,298 --> 00:45:54,528
So I went in looking.
793
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:58,631
A smell hit me.
794
00:46:01,339 --> 00:46:05,539
I've been around dead animals.
I've been around carcasses.
I know what they smell like.
795
00:46:07,312 --> 00:46:10,148
It smelled like rotting meat
and a wet dog.
796
00:46:11,987 --> 00:46:14,515
The growl that coming out
of this animal...
797
00:46:17,487 --> 00:46:19,124
hit me in my bones.
798
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:22,226
Just you won't forget it
if you could trust me.
799
00:46:23,295 --> 00:46:25,999
I had light touched my hat.
800
00:46:26,034 --> 00:46:30,432
When I flung it around,
I hit something in the eyes
801
00:46:30,467 --> 00:46:33,501
that was standing seven
and a half feet off the ground
at the eyes.
802
00:46:34,537 --> 00:46:38,209
Black fur... Head like a wolf.
803
00:46:38,244 --> 00:46:39,573
Plenty of hairs on top.
804
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,213
I didn't know
what I was looking at.
805
00:46:43,711 --> 00:46:45,744
Here I am
on the double-barrel 20 gauge.
806
00:46:46,648 --> 00:46:47,889
I'm outgunned,
I know it.
807
00:46:48,914 --> 00:46:50,386
I eased away...
808
00:46:52,027 --> 00:46:53,851
backwards, trying to
get away from it...
809
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,790
and... it stepped off.
810
00:46:58,825 --> 00:47:01,826
like it didn't want
to be in the light.
811
00:47:01,861 --> 00:47:03,366
I tried to keep my eye on it.
812
00:47:05,205 --> 00:47:07,733
And it was gone.
813
00:47:07,768 --> 00:47:11,341
I've never seen anything
move that quick. I mean,
it was there. It's gone.
814
00:47:11,376 --> 00:47:13,244
I took off for the truck.
815
00:47:13,279 --> 00:47:15,950
And when I got back,
the truck was facing the woods.
816
00:47:17,316 --> 00:47:18,612
My dogs went back.
817
00:47:19,516 --> 00:47:22,517
They beat me to the truck.
818
00:47:22,552 --> 00:47:27,588
When I turned the headlights on
to turn the truck around,
it was standing in the edge.
819
00:47:27,623 --> 00:47:29,964
Like it had followed me up
until I left.
820
00:47:29,999 --> 00:47:33,198
I've been around enough animals
to know if it's got claws
821
00:47:33,233 --> 00:47:36,267
and it's got teeth
shaped like that.
It, it don't eat plants.
822
00:47:37,831 --> 00:47:40,436
It's got big canine teeth,
and it's got big, sharp claws.
823
00:47:40,471 --> 00:47:43,208
It did not go around
munching on blackberries.
824
00:47:43,243 --> 00:47:47,245
My blue tip coon hound
found a bloody car.
825
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,480
And it was cut in three places,
and it was
a solid leather strap.
826
00:47:54,617 --> 00:47:55,748
Two years ago...
827
00:47:57,125 --> 00:47:58,949
the last encounter I had,
828
00:47:58,984 --> 00:48:02,491
and the one that literally
made me sell my dogs
and quit coon hunting.
829
00:48:04,594 --> 00:48:06,033
Dad called me.
830
00:48:06,068 --> 00:48:07,397
Wants me to train a couple pups.
831
00:48:08,862 --> 00:48:11,104
The problem, I've done
it all my life.
832
00:48:11,139 --> 00:48:12,897
Okay. Run them over.
833
00:48:12,932 --> 00:48:14,602
You run it out.
Run them tonight.
834
00:48:15,308 --> 00:48:17,473
We started out.
835
00:48:17,508 --> 00:48:21,147
I had old black and tan
and an old red bone.
836
00:48:22,579 --> 00:48:24,348
And Dad had his
two little pups.
837
00:48:25,681 --> 00:48:27,780
Dad didn't wanna go that night.
838
00:48:27,815 --> 00:48:30,024
That's fine. I'll take him.
839
00:48:30,059 --> 00:48:33,060
It started out great,
I mean Bella hit.
840
00:48:33,095 --> 00:48:36,591
My black and tan,
she had a trail on me.
841
00:48:36,626 --> 00:48:41,233
We're off, we're both
trying to look for the ball.
842
00:48:41,268 --> 00:48:46,997
That little bit of red bone
that he had on a
section of horse jaw,
843
00:48:47,032 --> 00:48:51,177
I'm guessing around 6-8 inches.
844
00:48:51,212 --> 00:48:52,211
Had teeth in it.
845
00:48:53,841 --> 00:48:57,414
I felt that was kind of funny.
No feelings.
846
00:48:57,449 --> 00:49:01,550
I thought it was...
so I followed him.
I come look...
847
00:49:02,190 --> 00:49:03,189
on...
848
00:49:05,193 --> 00:49:07,919
I think it was
a whole skeleton.
849
00:49:07,954 --> 00:49:12,693
The bones were some
chewed up and mutilated.
850
00:49:12,728 --> 00:49:17,170
I could make out a skull,
the pelvis, some ribs,
and the fingers.
851
00:49:18,371 --> 00:49:21,867
And the skull
was in about 33, 34 pieces.
852
00:49:22,903 --> 00:49:24,243
That put me on alert.
853
00:49:25,411 --> 00:49:28,841
But, predators
tear up bones.
854
00:49:28,876 --> 00:49:32,680
No big deal. Coyote's chew them,
squirrels chew them, calcium.
855
00:49:32,715 --> 00:49:35,221
Pups wouldn't listen.
I wanted to go back.
856
00:49:35,256 --> 00:49:37,949
I was not tired for the night,
anyways. They didn't quit.
857
00:49:39,227 --> 00:49:40,787
My big dog
was still on a trail.
858
00:49:40,822 --> 00:49:45,132
She wouldn't cut off,
so I had to go in at him.
859
00:49:45,167 --> 00:49:50,401
Even farther and farther
I went, the more bones I found.
860
00:49:50,436 --> 00:49:53,998
And, I come upon the pups
and they were just laying
on the ground.
861
00:49:54,033 --> 00:49:55,032
Flat. Just...
862
00:49:57,146 --> 00:50:03,414
Wouldn't move...
The dog was between me
and something in front of me.
863
00:50:04,417 --> 00:50:07,011
Growling. Bristled up.
864
00:50:07,046 --> 00:50:10,421
Snarling, acting like
I've never seen her act.
865
00:50:10,456 --> 00:50:12,720
The growl that I heard
that night...
866
00:50:13,624 --> 00:50:14,920
It was like you could feel it.
867
00:50:17,023 --> 00:50:18,957
It was, it came from its gut.
868
00:50:27,506 --> 00:50:29,209
I was 15 yards from it.
869
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:32,069
It was massive.
870
00:50:35,448 --> 00:50:37,448
I was close enough
when he could,
871
00:50:37,483 --> 00:50:40,121
when he'd sniff, you could
see his nose wrinkle up.
872
00:50:41,784 --> 00:50:43,751
That's way too close.
873
00:50:44,952 --> 00:50:46,589
Way too close.
874
00:50:46,624 --> 00:50:49,119
I've always been told,
like most kids
in Southern areas,
875
00:50:49,154 --> 00:50:52,892
"Be careful, there's Panthers
in the woods and..."
876
00:50:52,927 --> 00:50:55,532
I mean, this is Western
Kentucky. We don't have bear,
877
00:50:55,567 --> 00:50:58,931
but every now and then,
because they wander up
out of Tennessee, but...
878
00:50:58,966 --> 00:51:02,704
I've faced predators,
879
00:51:02,739 --> 00:51:07,643
most of your big game predators
that you have in the States.
880
00:51:07,678 --> 00:51:11,482
These things don't act
like that. You look
in these thing's eyes.
881
00:51:11,517 --> 00:51:13,946
These things look like they're
trying to figure you out.
882
00:51:13,981 --> 00:51:16,982
They look like they're looking
through you, trying to figure
out what your next move is
883
00:51:18,326 --> 00:51:19,490
so they can get around it.
884
00:51:22,088 --> 00:51:24,264
I've been around predators
my whole life,
885
00:51:24,299 --> 00:51:28,301
and I've never seen anything
in my life like that.
886
00:51:28,336 --> 00:51:31,370
I've never seen anything
look like it had
enough consciousness
887
00:51:31,405 --> 00:51:33,031
to know what you might do.
888
00:51:35,706 --> 00:51:37,871
I think that scares me
as much as seeing them.
889
00:51:40,205 --> 00:51:41,479
This one wasn't scared.
890
00:51:42,911 --> 00:51:44,251
This one wasn't curious.
891
00:51:46,717 --> 00:51:49,080
This one did not want me there.
892
00:51:49,115 --> 00:51:54,327
You would come up closer.
893
00:51:54,362 --> 00:51:58,661
When I cooned, I carried
a double-barrel 410
and a double-barrel 20 gauge.
894
00:51:58,696 --> 00:52:01,565
Double-barreled 410.
Double-hammered old gun.
895
00:52:02,271 --> 00:52:04,634
And a .357 pistol.
896
00:52:04,669 --> 00:52:07,802
The fact that my coon dog
never moved
897
00:52:07,837 --> 00:52:09,573
didn't even faze this animal.
898
00:52:11,709 --> 00:52:13,841
She might as well been
to a piss and come along now.
899
00:52:14,811 --> 00:52:16,041
It walked...
900
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,112
In a semi-circle around me
like a predatory move would.
901
00:52:23,490 --> 00:52:26,920
At this point,
I pretty much know.
902
00:52:26,955 --> 00:52:29,153
It came over, done.
903
00:52:32,565 --> 00:52:36,666
He got three quarter
of the way around me...
904
00:52:36,701 --> 00:52:41,737
in the loudest, deepest howl
I've ever heard that come from
deeper in the swamp.
905
00:52:44,269 --> 00:52:45,840
His ears perked up.
906
00:52:48,075 --> 00:52:51,450
And it was like I wasn't
even there at that point.
907
00:52:51,485 --> 00:52:52,748
He held back.
908
00:52:55,115 --> 00:52:58,952
He acknowledged me
by roaring at me so loud,
I ain't even gonna lie.
909
00:53:00,956 --> 00:53:04,331
I pissed my pants that night.
It scared me so bad.
910
00:53:05,631 --> 00:53:07,367
So I just threw the shotgun up.
911
00:53:07,402 --> 00:53:11,404
Well, at least
I might get blood.
912
00:53:11,439 --> 00:53:16,706
When I threw the barrels up,
he cleared the bushes
behind him that were probably
913
00:53:16,741 --> 00:53:19,742
six, seven foot... and was gone.
914
00:53:20,613 --> 00:53:21,678
Foot towards the hell.
915
00:53:23,616 --> 00:53:26,914
I come home that night.
I sold 17 dogs the next morning.
916
00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:32,425
I sold all my gear
except my coon hunting light.
917
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:37,364
And the only time I go out now
in the dark, if I'm hunting
918
00:53:37,399 --> 00:53:39,564
is if I'm around ponds
and hunting frogs.
919
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,600
I do not go near
that swamp at night.
920
00:53:42,635 --> 00:53:44,602
I'll go during the day.
921
00:53:44,637 --> 00:53:46,571
I will not go at night.
922
00:53:46,606 --> 00:53:49,871
The reason I wanted to stay
anonymous is I've had people
tell me I'm crazy.
923
00:53:49,906 --> 00:53:51,136
I've had people tell me...
924
00:53:52,304 --> 00:53:55,074
I'm drinking too much,
doing drugs.
925
00:53:56,341 --> 00:53:57,483
Lyin'.
926
00:53:58,112 --> 00:53:58,946
No.
927
00:53:59,652 --> 00:54:01,388
They're real.
928
00:54:01,423 --> 00:54:03,049
Science might
not have found them. But...
929
00:54:04,822 --> 00:54:05,854
don't mean nothing.
930
00:54:07,088 --> 00:54:08,527
They stay hidden for a reason.
931
00:54:18,297 --> 00:54:20,099
My name is Martin Groves.
932
00:54:21,674 --> 00:54:27,238
I had an incident in the 1990s
spring turkey season,
933
00:54:27,273 --> 00:54:29,779
that kind of connected me
to the area.
934
00:54:29,814 --> 00:54:32,815
I'm a retired police officer
of 32 years.
935
00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:35,851
I've been with a local,
rural sheriff's department
936
00:54:35,886 --> 00:54:38,854
of which I have now
since retired.
937
00:54:38,889 --> 00:54:42,154
Uh, but I was
with the department
for many years,
938
00:54:42,189 --> 00:54:48,699
and a uniformed patrol officer.
Coming from a... a...
a police background,
939
00:54:48,734 --> 00:54:52,164
ah, it's going to ruffle
a lot of... a lot of feathers.
940
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:56,707
The only reason why I've even
come forward at this point
is one, I have retired,
941
00:54:56,742 --> 00:55:01,481
and I don't really care
what people think of me
or what will be said.
942
00:55:01,516 --> 00:55:04,011
I feel like there is something
within that park...
943
00:55:06,345 --> 00:55:08,378
animal or beast,
944
00:55:08,413 --> 00:55:11,348
that is a danger to the public.
945
00:55:11,383 --> 00:55:16,892
I was told that this would be
very detrimental to any tourism
946
00:55:16,927 --> 00:55:21,193
and to anything that
any public reports coming out
947
00:55:21,228 --> 00:55:23,965
that there was any kind
of animals eating people.
948
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,198
Or attacking people
within the park.
949
00:55:26,233 --> 00:55:29,267
And there has been a long time,
950
00:55:29,302 --> 00:55:33,007
standing, unwritten rule
951
00:55:33,042 --> 00:55:40,047
that they control the reports
that come outside the parks
because of this.
952
00:55:40,082 --> 00:55:43,919
In the '70s,
there was a group of kids
953
00:55:43,954 --> 00:55:46,658
that disappeared up there,
then Land Between the Lakes.
954
00:55:46,693 --> 00:55:48,693
They heard a bunch
of screaming and...
955
00:55:48,728 --> 00:55:50,893
when the other group
came up to them,
956
00:55:50,928 --> 00:55:53,093
they disappeared,
never to be seen again.
957
00:55:53,128 --> 00:55:58,571
1979. That was over
around Willow Bay,
the members bay area.
958
00:55:58,606 --> 00:56:01,772
There was a gentleman.
He worked in
Kentucky Fish and Game.
959
00:56:01,807 --> 00:56:06,436
He said that he witnessed
a Dogman jump on a couple
that was camping there
960
00:56:06,471 --> 00:56:08,108
along the shoreline,
961
00:56:08,143 --> 00:56:10,517
held them down with its hands
and biting plugs out of them,
962
00:56:10,552 --> 00:56:14,950
and they were able
to confirm his employment
through the state and what not.
963
00:56:14,985 --> 00:56:20,725
Ah, you got the famed 1982
attack of the family that was
slaughtered very terrible.
964
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,928
There's multiple variations
of the story, but largely
they have retained the same way.
965
00:56:25,963 --> 00:56:29,327
So that story boiled down
to its most basic form,
966
00:56:29,362 --> 00:56:32,000
is a family of four,
came down to the Land
Between the Lakes.
967
00:56:32,035 --> 00:56:34,937
They were either
in a travel trailer or an RV.
968
00:56:34,972 --> 00:56:37,973
And they came down
to do some camping
up at the northern end
969
00:56:38,008 --> 00:56:40,338
of Land Between the Lakes,
while they were, I guess,
970
00:56:40,373 --> 00:56:42,340
getting set up
and everything ready.
971
00:56:42,375 --> 00:56:46,443
A Dogman came up
and literally
slaughtered the family.
972
00:56:50,350 --> 00:56:53,318
Just dispatched them
in a grisly manner.
973
00:56:53,353 --> 00:56:56,959
People came back
through, cops, ah...
974
00:56:56,994 --> 00:57:01,700
The government in some form,
hikers and they found
the family dead.
975
00:57:01,735 --> 00:57:04,263
They found three bodies,
but they couldn't
find the little girl.
976
00:57:04,298 --> 00:57:06,397
Anyway, there was a little girl
along with them.
977
00:57:06,432 --> 00:57:09,499
And they eventually found her
either up in the top of a tree
978
00:57:09,534 --> 00:57:12,678
or somewhere about
100 feet away from the RV.
979
00:57:12,713 --> 00:57:15,175
There is a little bit
of contention on that.
980
00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:19,047
It has become a famous story
of the region, now almost
teetering on urban legend.
981
00:57:19,082 --> 00:57:21,852
And you can even find evidence
that it happened because
982
00:57:21,887 --> 00:57:24,415
the spot where
it allegedly took place,
983
00:57:24,450 --> 00:57:28,518
you can find where
the light poles
are cut even to the ground.
984
00:57:28,553 --> 00:57:30,630
You can find the old RV slips.
985
00:57:30,665 --> 00:57:33,699
You can find
the old foundations
for the bathhouses.
986
00:57:33,734 --> 00:57:36,196
Something seemed to
have taken place there.
987
00:57:36,231 --> 00:57:38,836
You can find the old,
the boundary stakes.
988
00:57:38,871 --> 00:57:41,432
It really looks like
something happened.
989
00:57:41,467 --> 00:57:42,499
And then...
990
00:57:43,678 --> 00:57:47,042
some government crew
or the park came in,
991
00:57:47,077 --> 00:57:49,440
tore it all up
and let nature retake itself.
992
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:57,250
You can tell that, for once
some reason they wanted
to do away with this area.
993
00:57:57,285 --> 00:58:00,352
And that, that's the most
famous story from up there.
994
00:58:00,387 --> 00:58:03,993
The next famous would
probably be, there was
a bow hunter up there
995
00:58:04,028 --> 00:58:07,194
whose body was found dead
and I haven't found them yet.
996
00:58:07,229 --> 00:58:10,967
But supposedly there are
documents showing
he was found in the park.
997
00:58:11,002 --> 00:58:13,739
He was dead.
It was all factual.
998
00:58:13,774 --> 00:58:16,742
When they found his body
in a soybean field over
999
00:58:16,777 --> 00:58:19,679
around where we camp
a lot, Dark Hollow.
1000
00:58:19,714 --> 00:58:20,944
His body was fed upon.
1001
00:58:24,147 --> 00:58:27,654
I'm going to be very respectful
because of the family
1002
00:58:27,689 --> 00:58:29,623
that, uh, suffered a loss.
1003
00:58:30,285 --> 00:58:31,515
A hunter was killed...
1004
00:58:32,485 --> 00:58:34,518
and was mauled to death.
1005
00:58:34,553 --> 00:58:39,226
But the official report says
it was a unknown animal.
1006
00:58:39,261 --> 00:58:40,601
Unknown species.
1007
00:58:41,461 --> 00:58:43,736
The reports...
1008
00:58:43,771 --> 00:58:47,036
that I have read,
and what I have been told
1009
00:58:47,071 --> 00:58:51,073
is that the animal
was either a cougar or a bear,
1010
00:58:51,108 --> 00:58:53,273
that had ripped
the man out of his tent.
1011
00:58:53,308 --> 00:58:56,045
And had consumed him
and pulled his body
1012
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,949
three to four hundred
yards away from the tent.
1013
00:58:58,984 --> 00:59:04,284
It is my belief that I actually
had met this man the day before
1014
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:07,188
while I was out
and was scouting.
1015
00:59:07,223 --> 00:59:09,256
And I do not know
if it was or not.
1016
00:59:09,291 --> 00:59:14,096
I do know
that the man that I met was
in the same immediate area,
1017
00:59:14,131 --> 00:59:16,703
and I observed
his pickup truck.
1018
00:59:16,738 --> 00:59:20,069
And there's just too many
indications to me
that I believe
1019
00:59:20,104 --> 00:59:21,741
that the man that I met
1020
00:59:21,776 --> 00:59:24,304
is the same man
that was pulled out
of his tent and eaten.
1021
00:59:28,046 --> 00:59:31,751
One of the common things
when you're researching
Dogman is, it is strange.
1022
00:59:31,786 --> 00:59:33,181
Toward the northern end
of the parks
1023
00:59:33,216 --> 00:59:35,579
where they are at,
you'll find Dogman activity.
1024
00:59:35,614 --> 00:59:37,922
But to the southern end,
you find Bigfoot activity.
1025
00:59:37,957 --> 00:59:40,650
Dogmen in the North,
Bigfoot in the South.
1026
00:59:40,685 --> 00:59:45,094
So it does seem
in some ways, there is a,
a territorial aspect to it.
1027
00:59:45,129 --> 00:59:49,329
I don't know. It could be
hungry, aggressive predator,
could be territory.
1028
00:59:49,364 --> 00:59:51,705
Ah, there's a lot of factors
that could be at play.
1029
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:58,305
In the spring of,
I believe it was 1993-94,
1030
00:59:58,340 --> 01:00:02,276
a hunting partner and myself...
1031
01:00:02,311 --> 01:00:05,147
A friend that I actually worked
at the sheriff's office with,
1032
01:00:05,182 --> 01:00:07,952
had decided to take a trip
1033
01:00:07,987 --> 01:00:10,482
into Land Between the Lakes
for turkey hunting.
1034
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:12,792
The first night we came in,
1035
01:00:12,827 --> 01:00:16,686
we had absolutely
no problems whatsoever.
1036
01:00:16,721 --> 01:00:21,328
The next day, we both got up
and decided to take
1037
01:00:21,363 --> 01:00:25,464
a small excursion,
searching for birds,
1038
01:00:25,499 --> 01:00:27,807
and we went our separate ways.
1039
01:00:27,842 --> 01:00:32,944
We had a very nice
game trail to follow,
1040
01:00:32,979 --> 01:00:36,948
and I followed for miles
and throughout the entire day.
1041
01:00:36,983 --> 01:00:39,885
At this point
in the late afternoon,
1042
01:00:41,053 --> 01:00:43,856
I had a...
1043
01:00:43,891 --> 01:00:48,454
feeling that I was being
followed inside the woods.
1044
01:00:48,489 --> 01:00:51,028
Behind me I could hear movement,
1045
01:00:51,063 --> 01:00:53,492
and I could feel a presence
1046
01:00:53,527 --> 01:00:57,694
that I did not know if it was
animal or if it was man.
1047
01:00:57,729 --> 01:01:01,170
Being an avid hunter,
I was very observant.
1048
01:01:01,205 --> 01:01:03,975
Two to 300 yards behind me,
1049
01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:05,339
on the trail behind me,
1050
01:01:05,374 --> 01:01:07,913
I could see
movement in the woods.
1051
01:01:07,948 --> 01:01:11,081
I continued through
the woods for some time,
1052
01:01:11,116 --> 01:01:15,921
and followed the game trail,
edging my way back to my camp.
1053
01:01:15,956 --> 01:01:19,419
When I did actually
catch movement in the woods
1054
01:01:19,454 --> 01:01:20,827
and I could see
1055
01:01:20,862 --> 01:01:23,995
that there was two,
or possibly three animals
1056
01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:26,866
that was tailing me,
but when I would stop,
1057
01:01:26,901 --> 01:01:29,231
the movement would stop
in the woods.
1058
01:01:29,266 --> 01:01:30,760
I continued on,
1059
01:01:30,795 --> 01:01:33,070
and as I've become closer
to my camp,
1060
01:01:34,634 --> 01:01:39,538
I could hear
a distinct knock in the woods,
1061
01:01:39,573 --> 01:01:44,917
and it would be a large boom,
1062
01:01:44,952 --> 01:01:49,614
like someone had taken an axe
or something up against a tree.
1063
01:01:49,649 --> 01:01:53,585
So, at that point, I believed
it was my hunting partner
1064
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:55,653
and I was getting
closer to camp.
1065
01:01:55,688 --> 01:01:58,095
As I got closer to camp,
1066
01:01:58,130 --> 01:02:02,561
is when I first observed
what I believe to be
1067
01:02:02,596 --> 01:02:06,367
a man in a ghillie suit.
1068
01:02:06,402 --> 01:02:07,907
So I just wrote it off,
1069
01:02:07,942 --> 01:02:10,602
you know,
I'm a, I'm on a hot trail.
1070
01:02:10,637 --> 01:02:12,604
I just need to get back to camp.
1071
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:15,640
Somebody is watching me
to the west of me,
1072
01:02:15,675 --> 01:02:18,445
and somebody's coming in
on a game trail behind me
1073
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,480
that's an animal.
1074
01:02:20,515 --> 01:02:22,515
Something was just tagging me.
1075
01:02:23,925 --> 01:02:25,925
I finally did make it
back to camp.
1076
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,358
The closer I began getting
to my camp, I heard whistles.
1077
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:33,790
I could hear a whistle
1078
01:02:33,825 --> 01:02:38,663
that was human-like,
that was a shrill whistle.
1079
01:02:38,698 --> 01:02:40,973
I attributed
a lot of these things
1080
01:02:41,008 --> 01:02:44,009
to, 'this is my hunting partner
back in camp.'
1081
01:02:44,044 --> 01:02:45,945
'He's knocking something.'
1082
01:02:45,980 --> 01:02:48,948
'He's whistling,
trying to get me to come in,
1083
01:02:48,983 --> 01:02:50,840
'so, I came in to camp.'
1084
01:02:50,875 --> 01:02:53,183
And immediately
when I come in to camp,
1085
01:02:53,218 --> 01:02:55,988
my friend that I have known
for many years,
1086
01:02:56,023 --> 01:02:57,781
I could tell was very shook.
1087
01:02:57,816 --> 01:03:01,785
There was something not right
with my hunting partner,
1088
01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:04,359
and I said, look, I'm sorry
I've been gone.
1089
01:03:04,394 --> 01:03:08,363
He said, "It's not that. I was
a little bit worried about you,
1090
01:03:08,398 --> 01:03:12,235
"but there is something
around the camp".
1091
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:16,107
That's when he broke down
and told me,
1092
01:03:16,142 --> 01:03:18,043
he said,
"I've been hearing whistles
1093
01:03:18,078 --> 01:03:22,542
and there is something
hitting a tree,
1094
01:03:22,577 --> 01:03:28,020
or there is maybe rocks being
clampered against the ground.
1095
01:03:28,055 --> 01:03:30,517
He did not know either.
1096
01:03:30,552 --> 01:03:33,025
We settled in,
we talked around the campfire.
1097
01:03:33,060 --> 01:03:36,226
It got dark at this point.
1098
01:03:36,261 --> 01:03:39,064
When it gets dark
at Land Between the Lakes,
1099
01:03:39,099 --> 01:03:41,528
it is dark.
1100
01:03:41,563 --> 01:03:44,168
There's no car lights,
there's no street lights.
1101
01:03:44,203 --> 01:03:47,600
It is as if you were
in the 1700 or 1800s.
1102
01:03:50,539 --> 01:03:52,506
We felt like we were
being pressured
1103
01:03:52,541 --> 01:03:54,508
to get out of the camp,
1104
01:03:54,543 --> 01:03:57,313
and this is
when the activity began.
1105
01:03:57,348 --> 01:03:59,876
All that was illuminated,
was our campfire,
1106
01:04:00,615 --> 01:04:02,923
and our kerosene lamp.
1107
01:04:03,915 --> 01:04:05,717
So we had a period of...
1108
01:04:05,752 --> 01:04:09,589
a distance
of 15 to 20 feet at maximum
1109
01:04:09,624 --> 01:04:11,492
around the camp
that would be illuminated,
1110
01:04:11,527 --> 01:04:14,066
and then we would see shadows.
1111
01:04:14,101 --> 01:04:19,533
And I noticed what I believed
to be a man behind a tree.
1112
01:04:19,568 --> 01:04:22,899
It looked as if a person
was standing behind the tree,
1113
01:04:22,934 --> 01:04:24,439
very large tree.
1114
01:04:24,474 --> 01:04:26,144
At that point,
we were locked in.
1115
01:04:26,179 --> 01:04:29,840
We were not going to be made
to move by anything or anybody.
1116
01:04:30,513 --> 01:04:32,183
This was our camp.
1117
01:04:32,218 --> 01:04:34,218
We're staying
and we're gonna hunt here.
1118
01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:40,785
A small limb or tree,
piece of a tree
1119
01:04:40,820 --> 01:04:43,359
come flying off
the top of the cliff
1120
01:04:43,394 --> 01:04:45,328
that was raised above us.
1121
01:04:45,924 --> 01:04:47,561
The rock came,
1122
01:04:47,596 --> 01:04:51,268
and when the rock comes
so close to in between us,
1123
01:04:51,303 --> 01:04:54,469
we were standing within
five to ten foot of each other,
1124
01:04:56,902 --> 01:04:58,803
we started getting scared.
1125
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,182
At one point,
Harry told me that...
1126
01:05:04,217 --> 01:05:07,119
maybe we should get
our firearms,
1127
01:05:07,154 --> 01:05:11,453
and, so he set his shotgun
closer to him.
1128
01:05:11,488 --> 01:05:14,258
My shotgun was laying
on the ground,
1129
01:05:14,293 --> 01:05:17,657
but I had a sidearm on me.
1130
01:05:17,692 --> 01:05:19,494
So, I kind of felt confident.
1131
01:05:22,598 --> 01:05:26,567
You have to imagine
the darkness and
how dark that it was,
1132
01:05:26,602 --> 01:05:29,306
and how limited
vision was for us.
1133
01:05:32,575 --> 01:05:34,905
We began to get a growl
1134
01:05:34,940 --> 01:05:38,975
from where the person
or persons were standing.
1135
01:05:39,010 --> 01:05:44,420
The growl was so intense,
that it vibrated in my chest,
1136
01:05:44,455 --> 01:05:46,488
and within my partner's chest.
1137
01:05:47,623 --> 01:05:49,194
It was like a vibration.
1138
01:05:49,229 --> 01:05:52,098
It was not like a growl
I had ever heard
in my life from...
1139
01:05:52,892 --> 01:05:53,990
I've been around bears,
1140
01:05:54,025 --> 01:05:57,070
I've been around
pigs, charging boars.
1141
01:05:57,105 --> 01:06:00,238
I've been around
all different kinds of animals.
1142
01:06:00,273 --> 01:06:02,900
This was a growl
like I had never heard.
1143
01:06:04,508 --> 01:06:08,037
All my life, I've been trained
not to be afraid.
1144
01:06:08,072 --> 01:06:12,415
I've been trained to attack
anything that comes into vision
1145
01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:14,813
if you perceive it
to be a danger,
1146
01:06:14,848 --> 01:06:18,047
I could not do anything.
It just is...
1147
01:06:18,082 --> 01:06:21,787
It was as if I was this child
and I was five years old,
1148
01:06:21,822 --> 01:06:24,097
and I was scared
of a monster in the dark,
1149
01:06:24,132 --> 01:06:30,895
and I noticed that my partner
was totally frozen.
1150
01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:32,534
He was not moving.
1151
01:06:32,569 --> 01:06:34,206
He was breathing fast.
1152
01:06:35,935 --> 01:06:38,309
At one point
I've seen his shoulders slump,
1153
01:06:39,213 --> 01:06:41,873
and he was not feeling well.
1154
01:06:42,744 --> 01:06:45,349
All time had frozen.
1155
01:06:45,384 --> 01:06:49,683
Everything had just...
like it had become stilled,
1156
01:06:49,718 --> 01:06:56,393
and it It was just a low,
intense feeling that I had.
1157
01:06:56,428 --> 01:07:00,265
Out of the left side
of my peripheral vision,
1158
01:07:00,993 --> 01:07:03,169
I saw movement.
1159
01:07:03,204 --> 01:07:07,437
At this point
I made a physical move,
1160
01:07:07,472 --> 01:07:09,703
and once I took a step,
1161
01:07:09,738 --> 01:07:13,311
I felt like I could...
I just gained, like, my freedom,
1162
01:07:15,414 --> 01:07:16,974
and I pulled my firearm.
1163
01:07:17,009 --> 01:07:20,076
I turned my shoulders
to face the object
1164
01:07:20,111 --> 01:07:23,123
that I caught
in my peripheral vision.
1165
01:07:24,192 --> 01:07:27,050
I faced... I looked forward,
1166
01:07:27,085 --> 01:07:31,725
and I could see
what I knew was not a man.
1167
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,301
I knew that it was not
an animal I had ever seen,
1168
01:07:37,601 --> 01:07:40,272
and it was coming towards me.
1169
01:07:40,307 --> 01:07:43,000
In the glow of the campfire
1170
01:07:43,035 --> 01:07:46,542
and the glow
of my kerosene lamp,
1171
01:07:46,577 --> 01:07:51,811
I caught what I felt
was an upright walking...
1172
01:07:51,846 --> 01:07:55,111
It was not bear.
It was like a wolf.
1173
01:07:55,146 --> 01:07:59,819
It was large, it was huge.
It was still walking towards me.
1174
01:07:59,854 --> 01:08:04,626
I've discharged my weapon
in its direction two times.
1175
01:08:04,661 --> 01:08:06,331
You have to imagine
1176
01:08:06,366 --> 01:08:09,862
when you fire a gun
at nighttime,
1177
01:08:09,897 --> 01:08:12,964
that you have an effect
1178
01:08:12,999 --> 01:08:15,604
of almost like a camera
going off,
1179
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:18,101
and that camera instills
something in your brain,
1180
01:08:18,136 --> 01:08:20,807
so, I have this image.
1181
01:08:20,842 --> 01:08:24,646
instilled in my head
of when the flash went out.
1182
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,749
And the animal...
1183
01:08:30,687 --> 01:08:33,490
It was like it responded
to the firearm.
1184
01:08:33,525 --> 01:08:35,118
It was intelligent.
1185
01:08:35,153 --> 01:08:37,329
It knew that that...
1186
01:08:37,364 --> 01:08:40,893
firearm was dangerous to it,
because it reacted,
1187
01:08:40,928 --> 01:08:44,303
it moved and it went
backwards before I fired.
1188
01:08:44,338 --> 01:08:47,768
It is as if
it could jump and leap
1189
01:08:47,803 --> 01:08:51,244
beyond any human understanding.
1190
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:53,312
It jumped to the rock face
1191
01:08:53,347 --> 01:08:55,875
that was beside of it,
1192
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:59,615
and in an instant was...
it was gone.
1193
01:08:59,650 --> 01:09:03,718
It disappeared and went
over the ridge above us.
1194
01:09:03,753 --> 01:09:06,523
When I fired my weapon,
1195
01:09:06,558 --> 01:09:10,428
my hunting partner behind me
discharged his firearm,
1196
01:09:10,463 --> 01:09:12,991
in the opposite direction of me.
1197
01:09:13,026 --> 01:09:14,597
I am screaming at this point.
1198
01:09:14,632 --> 01:09:17,028
I'm screaming, I don't even know
what I'm saying,
1199
01:09:17,063 --> 01:09:19,800
but it's time
to back up to the truck
1200
01:09:19,835 --> 01:09:24,035
where we were parked,
and I began to cover above me.
1201
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:27,170
I covered to the left of me,
and he's walking,
1202
01:09:27,205 --> 01:09:28,710
and we're walking behind us.
1203
01:09:30,714 --> 01:09:32,318
As we get to the truck,
1204
01:09:32,353 --> 01:09:35,420
I jump up into the back-end
of the pickup truck.
1205
01:09:35,455 --> 01:09:39,182
He gets in, cranks the vehicle.
I am standing in the back
1206
01:09:39,217 --> 01:09:44,088
of the pickup truck,
the lights,
flow towards a field
1207
01:09:44,123 --> 01:09:46,222
that was in front of us.
1208
01:09:46,257 --> 01:09:47,795
Directly in front of me...
1209
01:09:49,029 --> 01:09:53,735
were two huge figures,
creatures.
1210
01:09:53,770 --> 01:09:57,607
I believe that what
was stalking
me in the woods,
1211
01:09:57,642 --> 01:10:03,239
I believe that whatever I fired
at to the left of my camp,
1212
01:10:03,274 --> 01:10:08,277
was what people
refer to as a Dogman.
1213
01:10:08,312 --> 01:10:11,181
But I know what was
in the headlights
of that truck,
1214
01:10:11,216 --> 01:10:13,216
was not the same creature,
1215
01:10:13,251 --> 01:10:17,363
because it towered at least
another two or three foot taller
1216
01:10:17,398 --> 01:10:20,465
than the animals
that I had seen in my camp.
1217
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:23,765
These were two
very large creatures,
1218
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,437
and I realized that one of them
1219
01:10:25,472 --> 01:10:28,968
was the exact thing
that I had seen in the distance,
1220
01:10:29,003 --> 01:10:31,476
that I believed to be a man
in a ghillie suit,
1221
01:10:31,511 --> 01:10:33,709
and it was not a man
in a ghillie suit.
1222
01:10:33,744 --> 01:10:35,942
It was not a bear.
1223
01:10:35,977 --> 01:10:40,177
It was on two legs, bipedal.
1224
01:10:40,212 --> 01:10:43,818
That's what I believe
was whistling the entire time
1225
01:10:43,853 --> 01:10:46,150
that I had heard in the woods.
1226
01:10:46,185 --> 01:10:48,922
That's what my partner
had heard whistling,
1227
01:10:48,957 --> 01:10:52,189
were the two figures
that I observed in the field
1228
01:10:52,224 --> 01:10:53,663
in front of me.
1229
01:10:53,698 --> 01:10:55,434
Were they working
1230
01:10:55,469 --> 01:10:57,293
with the other animals?
1231
01:10:57,328 --> 01:10:58,294
I just say the words.
1232
01:10:58,329 --> 01:11:00,934
Were they working
with the Dogman?
1233
01:11:00,969 --> 01:11:03,134
Were they guiding the Dogman,
1234
01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:08,777
or were there...
Were the two large creatures
1235
01:11:08,812 --> 01:11:10,713
there to protect me?
1236
01:11:10,748 --> 01:11:12,242
I do not know.
1237
01:11:12,277 --> 01:11:15,146
My partner
fires up the pickup truck,
1238
01:11:15,181 --> 01:11:18,347
and we speed out of the area.
1239
01:11:18,382 --> 01:11:23,286
As I turn around behind me,
something was tearing my...
1240
01:11:23,321 --> 01:11:26,157
our camp completely to pieces.
1241
01:11:30,537 --> 01:11:33,538
There are Bigfoot
stories from the region.
1242
01:11:33,573 --> 01:11:35,507
There's supposedly a large,
aggressive Bigfoot
1243
01:11:35,542 --> 01:11:37,102
in Land Between the Lakes.
1244
01:11:37,137 --> 01:11:40,303
It just goes wherever it wants.
They've nicknamed it Stonefoot.
1245
01:11:40,338 --> 01:11:42,448
And, we even have found
1246
01:11:42,483 --> 01:11:44,582
Bigfoot tracks
up towards the north,
1247
01:11:44,617 --> 01:11:47,145
close to around the site
where the family was attacked.
1248
01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:49,081
So, they are in the park.
1249
01:11:51,349 --> 01:11:53,525
- We stopped
and we attempted to report
1250
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,022
what took place with us,
1251
01:11:56,057 --> 01:12:00,895
and we were told
that we had overreacted,
1252
01:12:00,930 --> 01:12:04,767
that we had observed
what they said was a rogue bear.
1253
01:12:04,802 --> 01:12:07,231
There are things
that I will not say on camera.
1254
01:12:07,266 --> 01:12:10,201
People that I've spoken
with over the years.
1255
01:12:10,236 --> 01:12:11,576
You have to understand
1256
01:12:11,611 --> 01:12:14,942
that the law enforcement field
is a tight brethren.
1257
01:12:14,977 --> 01:12:18,011
There is a unwritten rule
that you will not talk
1258
01:12:18,046 --> 01:12:20,310
of anything
coming out of the park.
1259
01:12:20,345 --> 01:12:22,081
I mean, these guys
have pensions,
1260
01:12:22,116 --> 01:12:23,753
these guys have family.
1261
01:12:23,788 --> 01:12:27,383
Can you imagine working
for somewhere for 20 or 30 years
1262
01:12:27,418 --> 01:12:29,121
and you are called
into the office
1263
01:12:29,156 --> 01:12:31,387
and you are told
that, due to the fact
1264
01:12:31,422 --> 01:12:33,323
you spoke
in public about an incident
1265
01:12:33,358 --> 01:12:36,062
that took place,
that you're fired?
1266
01:12:36,097 --> 01:12:39,263
I believe it's entirely possible
that they cover stuff like that.
1267
01:12:39,298 --> 01:12:41,705
They'd lose a lot of money
if people learned
1268
01:12:41,740 --> 01:12:43,740
that there was something
that looked like a werewolf
1269
01:12:43,775 --> 01:12:46,435
wandering through the park,
or possibly even Bigfoot.
1270
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:47,810
They'd lose a lot of money.
1271
01:12:47,845 --> 01:12:51,847
So, if one person disappears,
or a few people,
1272
01:12:51,882 --> 01:12:53,948
wouldn't it be for them,
1273
01:12:53,983 --> 01:12:55,444
wouldn't it be
the most profitable decision
1274
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:56,720
to just cover it up
and make it look
1275
01:12:56,755 --> 01:12:58,524
like something never happened?
1276
01:12:58,559 --> 01:13:01,054
At this point,
there are many people
1277
01:13:01,089 --> 01:13:04,123
that have went missing,
or have come up,
1278
01:13:04,158 --> 01:13:07,456
they've been found dead
within the park.
1279
01:13:07,491 --> 01:13:10,393
And this is a phenomenon
that it is not contained
1280
01:13:10,428 --> 01:13:12,571
to Land Between the Lakes.
1281
01:13:12,606 --> 01:13:15,739
This has taken place
in a lot of our national parks.
1282
01:13:15,774 --> 01:13:18,434
It is a very scary thought
that the general public
1283
01:13:18,469 --> 01:13:20,645
is tourism.
1284
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,780
To a certain extent,
the general public is unarmed
1285
01:13:23,815 --> 01:13:25,584
when they enter these parks,
1286
01:13:25,619 --> 01:13:29,984
unable to defend themselves
against anything, man or beast.
1287
01:13:32,659 --> 01:13:34,252
From all the encounters
1288
01:13:34,287 --> 01:13:35,825
that I have talked
to people with,
1289
01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:38,696
it's just not
simply encountering
1290
01:13:38,731 --> 01:13:40,599
an animal out there.
1291
01:13:40,634 --> 01:13:41,864
There are earth lights
1292
01:13:41,899 --> 01:13:43,426
often attached
to these sightings.
1293
01:13:43,461 --> 01:13:47,331
There are feelings of dread
associated with this.
1294
01:13:47,366 --> 01:13:50,741
In my opinion,
what we were dealing with here
1295
01:13:50,776 --> 01:13:54,844
is not a human simply
shape-shifting into an animal,
1296
01:13:54,879 --> 01:13:57,506
or some sort
of uncatalogued creature
1297
01:13:57,541 --> 01:13:59,750
that is roaming
the wilds of America
1298
01:13:59,785 --> 01:14:02,313
that has yet
to be categorized by science.
1299
01:14:02,348 --> 01:14:04,348
I think there is something here
1300
01:14:04,383 --> 01:14:07,956
that is far beyond
our knowledge.
1301
01:14:07,991 --> 01:14:12,521
It appears as if
these creatures
are coming from another source,
1302
01:14:12,556 --> 01:14:14,490
and they bleed into our world,
1303
01:14:14,525 --> 01:14:16,833
or we bleed into their world,
or what have you.
1304
01:14:16,868 --> 01:14:20,364
There almost has to be
an unspoken agreement
1305
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:23,301
between the person that is
witnessing these creatures,
1306
01:14:23,336 --> 01:14:24,973
and the creatures themselves.
1307
01:14:25,008 --> 01:14:28,042
It seems there is some sort
of exchange of energy going on,
1308
01:14:28,077 --> 01:14:30,374
and for these things
to manifest themselves,
1309
01:14:30,409 --> 01:14:32,310
they would need your energy
1310
01:14:32,345 --> 01:14:35,313
to feed off,
to make almost a circuit
1311
01:14:35,348 --> 01:14:36,886
in which everything is fired up,
1312
01:14:36,921 --> 01:14:39,658
and then these things
can then appear
1313
01:14:39,693 --> 01:14:41,418
and manifest within our reality.
1314
01:14:48,064 --> 01:14:50,394
It bothered me for years.
1315
01:14:50,429 --> 01:14:53,133
I'm not saying that I had
post-traumatic stress.
1316
01:14:53,168 --> 01:14:54,673
I'm not saying that,
1317
01:14:54,708 --> 01:14:56,235
but I know that every time
1318
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:59,205
I walked out of my house
at night,
1319
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,505
I was always had this fear
1320
01:15:02,540 --> 01:15:04,342
of what's lurking
behind the house.
1321
01:15:04,377 --> 01:15:05,618
What could be under the car?
1322
01:15:05,653 --> 01:15:07,411
What could be behind that bush,
1323
01:15:07,446 --> 01:15:10,183
because in the back
of my mind, it's always there.
1324
01:15:10,218 --> 01:15:11,690
It could be there.
1325
01:15:11,725 --> 01:15:13,285
And the other thing that really
kind of stuck out to me,
1326
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,419
was, as I sat back
and I reflected,
1327
01:15:15,454 --> 01:15:18,862
was, if that thing's real,
what the hell else is real?
1328
01:15:23,770 --> 01:15:25,396
- I didn't let it
control my life,
1329
01:15:25,431 --> 01:15:27,772
and as a matter of fact,
1330
01:15:27,807 --> 01:15:30,401
I kind of swept it into the...
1331
01:15:30,436 --> 01:15:33,206
into the back recesses
of my mind,
1332
01:15:33,241 --> 01:15:35,571
and now and again
it would come up.
1333
01:15:35,606 --> 01:15:37,782
I get the pin pricks
in the back of my neck,
1334
01:15:37,817 --> 01:15:39,575
and I think I'm just...
1335
01:15:39,610 --> 01:15:41,753
Too much imagination.
1336
01:15:41,788 --> 01:15:44,690
I hid this from myself.
1337
01:15:44,725 --> 01:15:46,725
I would...
I rarely told anyone,
1338
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,586
because you tell someone,
and yeah,
1339
01:15:50,621 --> 01:15:53,028
they're condescending at best,
1340
01:15:53,063 --> 01:15:56,097
just laugh,
or think you're joking, and...
1341
01:15:56,132 --> 01:15:58,396
Now, at this age, I don't care
1342
01:15:58,431 --> 01:16:01,564
whether you believe me or not,
it doesn't matter.
1343
01:16:01,599 --> 01:16:03,005
It happened.
1344
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:08,109
- The only thing
I could literally tell people
1345
01:16:08,144 --> 01:16:09,242
I saw was a werewolf,
1346
01:16:09,277 --> 01:16:10,540
which probably didn't help
the fact
1347
01:16:10,575 --> 01:16:12,641
that people
thought I was crazy.
1348
01:16:12,676 --> 01:16:13,884
And like I've told her,
1349
01:16:13,919 --> 01:16:15,787
every time
I talk about it to anybody,
1350
01:16:15,822 --> 01:16:17,415
the nightmares come back.
1351
01:16:19,089 --> 01:16:20,693
I 've woke up
screaming in the night.
1352
01:16:20,728 --> 01:16:23,454
My wife shook me.
1353
01:16:23,489 --> 01:16:25,797
It scares me to my core
to know that these things
1354
01:16:25,832 --> 01:16:27,931
are still out there,
moving and walking around.
1355
01:16:29,099 --> 01:16:31,528
These things are built
to hurt something.
1356
01:16:34,742 --> 01:16:36,841
Trust me, you don't want
to see one.
1357
01:16:42,211 --> 01:16:45,509
- I have nightmares.
I'm plagued with dreams.
1358
01:16:45,544 --> 01:16:47,577
At one point,
I spoke with a professional
1359
01:16:47,612 --> 01:16:50,646
that said that I had...
I had seen something,
1360
01:16:50,681 --> 01:16:53,352
that had traumatized my memory.
1361
01:16:53,387 --> 01:16:56,586
I couldn't accept
what I had saw.
1362
01:16:56,621 --> 01:17:00,799
That trauma of whatever
that had occurred that night,
1363
01:17:00,834 --> 01:17:03,329
and the incident
that I had seen,
1364
01:17:03,364 --> 01:17:05,595
that... It will haunt me.
1365
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:07,938
It will be in my dreams.
1366
01:17:07,973 --> 01:17:12,074
They told me
to attempt to work it out.
1367
01:17:12,109 --> 01:17:13,977
I will not hunt
1368
01:17:14,012 --> 01:17:16,144
in the deep woods any longer.
1369
01:17:16,179 --> 01:17:17,882
I have been to different states,
1370
01:17:17,917 --> 01:17:22,249
I have hunted in Montana,
I have hunted in Wyoming.
1371
01:17:25,353 --> 01:17:27,826
I have fished where
I've had grizzly bears
1372
01:17:27,861 --> 01:17:31,060
within 20 to 30 yards of me
when I'm fly fishing.
1373
01:17:31,755 --> 01:17:33,557
They don't scare me.
1374
01:17:33,592 --> 01:17:34,657
That scares me.
1375
01:17:34,692 --> 01:17:36,527
What I saw that night,
1376
01:17:36,562 --> 01:17:40,806
was such an intense feeling,
an evil...
1377
01:17:40,841 --> 01:17:41,807
A feeling of evil
that cannot be described.