1 00:00:12,166 --> 00:00:14,708 [disorienting music builds slowly] 2 00:01:06,833 --> 00:01:08,833 [cell phone vibrating] 3 00:01:32,208 --> 00:01:34,166 [music trails off] 4 00:01:34,250 --> 00:01:35,916 -[man grunts] -[vibrating stops] 5 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,708 [groans] Oh, it's Friday night. 6 00:01:39,416 --> 00:01:42,000 [woman on phone] It's Saturday morning, honey. 7 00:01:42,083 --> 00:01:43,125 Mm? 8 00:01:46,583 --> 00:01:48,583 [grunting softly] 9 00:01:49,208 --> 00:01:52,125 [breathes deeply] 10 00:01:55,791 --> 00:01:56,958 Is it him? 11 00:01:57,041 --> 00:01:58,583 [disjointed music plays] 12 00:02:10,333 --> 00:02:12,333 [traffic noises overlap] 13 00:02:28,208 --> 00:02:29,833 [trunk opens] 14 00:02:32,750 --> 00:02:34,750 [siren wailing in distance] 15 00:02:37,208 --> 00:02:40,375 News desk in London says he flew in from Heathrow last night. 16 00:02:40,958 --> 00:02:44,916 My guy at the British consulate said he's not staying there, so… 17 00:02:49,625 --> 00:02:52,833 [Jae] Those two on the door, they're Epstein's. 18 00:02:59,375 --> 00:03:00,708 Those three guys, 19 00:03:01,416 --> 00:03:02,916 I've seen them before. 20 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,250 Royal protection officers. If they're here-- 21 00:03:05,333 --> 00:03:06,250 Jae, the door. 22 00:03:08,875 --> 00:03:10,833 [woman gasps] Guards. 23 00:03:11,458 --> 00:03:13,375 [Jae] It's like she wasn't even there. 24 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:15,166 [camera clicks] 25 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:17,166 She must have been coming for years. 26 00:03:25,250 --> 00:03:26,166 [woman] Christ. 27 00:03:26,750 --> 00:03:28,833 She can't be more than 20 now. 28 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:31,375 Yeah. 29 00:03:37,791 --> 00:03:39,416 [unsettling music builds] 30 00:03:51,416 --> 00:03:52,666 [music trails off] 31 00:04:04,625 --> 00:04:06,625 [faint indistinct chatter] 32 00:04:14,541 --> 00:04:15,375 Here we go. 33 00:04:17,416 --> 00:04:19,791 -[camera clicking] -It's Epstein. 34 00:04:22,250 --> 00:04:25,041 -[woman] That's him. That's Andrew. -[Jae] Come on, turn around. 35 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:27,541 -What? -[woman groans] 36 00:04:28,333 --> 00:04:29,375 [sighs] 37 00:04:29,916 --> 00:04:31,166 -[grunts] -Go, go, go! 38 00:04:31,250 --> 00:04:33,250 [tense music playing] 39 00:04:38,083 --> 00:04:38,958 [clears throat] 40 00:04:44,833 --> 00:04:46,833 [ambient bustling] 41 00:04:55,333 --> 00:04:56,708 What a lovely day. 42 00:04:59,083 --> 00:05:00,125 Oh, here we are. 43 00:05:15,708 --> 00:05:16,666 Okay. 44 00:05:19,916 --> 00:05:21,791 [camera clicking] 45 00:05:23,041 --> 00:05:24,041 [sighs] 46 00:05:25,250 --> 00:05:26,583 Uh… okay. Okay. 47 00:05:27,541 --> 00:05:29,958 -This isn't gonna work. -[woman] What isn't? 48 00:05:31,458 --> 00:05:32,458 Change of plan. 49 00:05:32,958 --> 00:05:34,958 [music intensifies] 50 00:05:35,041 --> 00:05:36,250 [woman] Jae, talk to me. 51 00:05:36,791 --> 00:05:37,833 I'm improvising. 52 00:05:38,333 --> 00:05:39,291 Bear with me. 53 00:05:39,375 --> 00:05:40,250 Oh God. 54 00:05:53,875 --> 00:05:55,666 [breathing heavily] 55 00:06:10,333 --> 00:06:11,750 -Jae? -Not now. 56 00:06:19,666 --> 00:06:21,666 [music settles] 57 00:06:22,625 --> 00:06:24,083 [camera clicking] 58 00:06:30,541 --> 00:06:32,750 [rapid camera clicks] 59 00:06:32,833 --> 00:06:34,083 [gasping] 60 00:06:45,333 --> 00:06:47,000 [disjointed music builds] 61 00:06:55,916 --> 00:06:57,083 Jae, are you there? 62 00:06:57,583 --> 00:06:59,041 [exhales, sighs] 63 00:06:59,708 --> 00:07:02,583 I'm here. [panting] 64 00:07:02,666 --> 00:07:05,500 ["Don't Rain on my Parade" by Barbara Streisand playing] 65 00:07:05,583 --> 00:07:08,041 ♪ I gotta fly once ♪ 66 00:07:08,125 --> 00:07:10,750 ♪ I gotta try once ♪ 67 00:07:10,833 --> 00:07:13,250 ♪ Only can die once ♪ 68 00:07:13,750 --> 00:07:15,458 ♪ Right, sir? ♪ 69 00:07:15,541 --> 00:07:18,375 ♪ Ooh, life is juicy ♪ 70 00:07:18,458 --> 00:07:20,666 ♪ Juicy, and you see ♪ 71 00:07:21,250 --> 00:07:24,833 ♪ I gotta have my bite, sir ♪ 72 00:07:28,250 --> 00:07:31,375 ♪ Don't tell me not to fly I simply got to ♪ 73 00:07:31,458 --> 00:07:33,375 ♪ If someone takes a spill, it's me… ♪ 74 00:07:33,458 --> 00:07:34,833 [woman] Welcome, everybody. 75 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:39,291 I want to thank you all for taking the time out of your lunch. 76 00:07:39,958 --> 00:07:45,291 All of us at the BBC face some incredible challenges. 77 00:07:45,375 --> 00:07:48,583 ♪ Life's candy And the sun's a ball of butter… ♪ 78 00:07:48,666 --> 00:07:49,625 Morning, George. 79 00:07:49,708 --> 00:07:54,500 ♪ Who told you You're allowed to rain on my parade? ♪ 80 00:07:56,916 --> 00:07:58,666 The world is changing. 81 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,333 We need to change with it. 82 00:08:03,625 --> 00:08:09,041 Every year the BBC faces more and more competition in the news space, 83 00:08:09,125 --> 00:08:12,083 and we must fight to remain relevant. 84 00:08:12,166 --> 00:08:16,000 ♪ Eye on the target, and wham! ♪ 85 00:08:16,083 --> 00:08:18,958 ♪ One shot, one gunshot… ♪ 86 00:08:19,041 --> 00:08:21,166 -Has someone got my Nando's? -Oh, yeah. 87 00:08:21,250 --> 00:08:23,583 ♪ Hey, world ♪ 88 00:08:24,625 --> 00:08:25,500 Bloody dog! 89 00:08:25,583 --> 00:08:30,083 ♪ Here I am ♪ 90 00:08:30,166 --> 00:08:34,625 ♪ I'll march my band out ♪ 91 00:08:35,291 --> 00:08:38,083 ♪ I'll beat my drum ♪ 92 00:08:38,916 --> 00:08:40,416 Have we still got jobs, then? 93 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:42,375 [men chuckling] 94 00:08:42,458 --> 00:08:44,000 Moody, stop begging! Come on. 95 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:46,166 Come here. Moody! 96 00:08:47,416 --> 00:08:49,416 [newswoman] Never in my career 97 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:54,083 have I felt BBC News is under as much threat as it is today. 98 00:08:55,041 --> 00:08:57,708 It is our duty to respond. 99 00:08:58,583 --> 00:09:01,166 So it is with great sadness 100 00:09:01,250 --> 00:09:04,833 that I have to announce… some job losses. 101 00:09:04,916 --> 00:09:07,916 We currently estimate these job cuts 102 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,625 to be in the region of 450. 103 00:09:09,708 --> 00:09:11,541 Here we go. Here we fucking go. 104 00:09:12,166 --> 00:09:14,125 I know it is an enormous number. 105 00:09:15,375 --> 00:09:17,875 How to improve your news-gathering. 106 00:09:19,541 --> 00:09:21,416 Sack all the journalists. 107 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:22,916 [elevator dings] 108 00:09:24,916 --> 00:09:27,750 These cuts will be across all news departments. 109 00:09:28,583 --> 00:09:30,083 And across all shows. 110 00:09:32,125 --> 00:09:33,250 Thank you very much. 111 00:09:34,750 --> 00:09:37,166 -Okay. Uh, focus. -[song ends] 112 00:09:37,250 --> 00:09:39,916 We've heard what she had to say, and unless I missed it, 113 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,208 she didn't say anything about not doing our show. 114 00:09:42,291 --> 00:09:44,875 -Well, that was bleak. -Manage to catch it? Did you? 115 00:09:44,958 --> 00:09:47,791 Nine hours and 13 minutes from now, 116 00:09:47,875 --> 00:09:49,833 we're on air. With what? 117 00:09:49,916 --> 00:09:53,291 [woman] Follow-up on British arms sold to the Saudis being used in Yemen. 118 00:09:53,375 --> 00:09:56,458 Yeah, we've covered that. What's the hook? Why today? 119 00:09:57,541 --> 00:10:00,833 [man] Brexit. Fifteen rounds with Farage. One-on-one with Emily. 120 00:10:00,916 --> 00:10:03,416 What would be our way in with Farage? Something new. 121 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:07,791 -[man] Frictionless borders. -Gets my juices going every time. 122 00:10:07,875 --> 00:10:11,875 -I can get us Lupita for tonight. -The actress? Has she got a film out? 123 00:10:11,958 --> 00:10:14,458 No. She wants to talk colorism. She's got a lot to say. 124 00:10:14,541 --> 00:10:18,125 She's great. It's an exclusive. I think we should open with it. 125 00:10:18,208 --> 00:10:20,500 Perfect for the second half. Can't open with her. 126 00:10:20,583 --> 00:10:22,583 Agreed. They don't decide our running order. 127 00:10:22,666 --> 00:10:27,333 We opened with Emma Thompson on Weinstein. They saw that. That's why they want us. 128 00:10:27,416 --> 00:10:28,958 Weinstein was a news story that day. 129 00:10:29,041 --> 00:10:31,041 Lupita may well be great, but it isn't news. 130 00:10:31,125 --> 00:10:32,125 Second half. 131 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,166 So, Farage? Sam? Can you book him? 132 00:10:35,250 --> 00:10:37,875 If you want Farage, Freddy, then it's simple. 133 00:10:37,958 --> 00:10:40,583 You call up his PR. It's really not rocket science. 134 00:10:40,666 --> 00:10:41,750 He'll be straight over. 135 00:10:41,833 --> 00:10:43,625 [Freddy] That's your job. You're our booker. 136 00:10:43,708 --> 00:10:46,541 And you do know we've just announced a few hundred redundancies. 137 00:10:46,625 --> 00:10:47,833 Uh, okay, let's, uh-- 138 00:10:47,916 --> 00:10:52,166 The way I keep my job… Freddy, is by booking the people we can't just call up. 139 00:10:52,250 --> 00:10:55,000 The ones other people can't just get. 140 00:10:55,083 --> 00:10:57,541 The job where you waltz in late, then spend the morning 141 00:10:57,625 --> 00:10:59,708 working out where to go for lunch with Piers Morgan? 142 00:10:59,791 --> 00:11:00,958 Last in, first out. 143 00:11:01,041 --> 00:11:04,041 -You were here at 6:00. On the pips. Yeah? -What? 144 00:11:04,125 --> 00:11:07,583 You know what that does? That puts us 16 hours behind the news cycle, 145 00:11:07,666 --> 00:11:11,083 while I go out and find stories people actually care about. 146 00:11:12,541 --> 00:11:14,541 [pensive music plays] 147 00:11:17,791 --> 00:11:21,166 No, we love Lupita, and we desperately want her. 148 00:11:21,666 --> 00:11:24,041 We'd like to close with her and go huge on socials. 149 00:11:24,125 --> 00:11:27,125 You know, that's where this really cuts through. 150 00:11:31,833 --> 00:11:33,541 Okay, that's great. 151 00:11:33,625 --> 00:11:34,916 Great! 152 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,916 Thanks, you're a superstar. Okay, bye. 153 00:11:55,375 --> 00:11:56,291 [clears throat] 154 00:12:11,583 --> 00:12:13,166 [applause] 155 00:12:21,666 --> 00:12:22,708 [clears throat] 156 00:12:23,583 --> 00:12:24,750 It's not about me. 157 00:12:24,833 --> 00:12:27,083 [light scattered laughter] 158 00:12:27,166 --> 00:12:28,291 This is about 159 00:12:29,416 --> 00:12:33,375 putting you wonderful young entrepreneurs 160 00:12:33,458 --> 00:12:34,500 together with you 161 00:12:35,041 --> 00:12:37,708 eh… slightly more mature investors. 162 00:12:37,791 --> 00:12:39,791 [light laughter] 163 00:12:39,875 --> 00:12:42,708 So that together with Pitch@Palace, 164 00:12:42,791 --> 00:12:45,625 we can make magic happen. 165 00:12:45,708 --> 00:12:48,958 Now, I know you're all desperate to get talking to them, 166 00:12:49,041 --> 00:12:51,958 and they're desperate to listen to your ideas 167 00:12:52,041 --> 00:12:54,166 and make them into a reality. 168 00:12:54,250 --> 00:12:56,958 So the best thing for me to do is to get out of the way 169 00:12:57,041 --> 00:12:58,541 and let you crack on. 170 00:12:59,791 --> 00:13:01,041 Before I do… 171 00:13:01,125 --> 00:13:02,458 [light laughter] 172 00:13:02,541 --> 00:13:03,458 Don't tell my mum. 173 00:13:03,541 --> 00:13:05,833 [laughter] 174 00:13:08,416 --> 00:13:10,083 [guests clapping] 175 00:13:16,541 --> 00:13:18,041 Maybe for the best no one came. 176 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,333 [Andrew] Ah, there we are. 177 00:13:22,875 --> 00:13:26,416 All right, now say Pitch@Palace. 178 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:28,333 [all] Pitch@Palace! 179 00:13:29,125 --> 00:13:30,750 Pitch@Palace! 180 00:13:31,916 --> 00:13:34,666 Uh… I'd like it to be fair. 181 00:13:35,208 --> 00:13:37,083 I mean, you don't mention Epstein 182 00:13:37,166 --> 00:13:39,833 every time there's a story about Bill Clinton, do you? 183 00:13:39,916 --> 00:13:42,375 [man] Bill Clinton isn't the Queen's favorite son. 184 00:13:43,041 --> 00:13:46,541 [sighs] And if you had been here, then you would have seen for yourself 185 00:13:46,625 --> 00:13:50,375 the… the wonderful job that… that he does with Pitch, 186 00:13:50,458 --> 00:13:52,791 encouraging young entrepreneurs. 187 00:13:52,875 --> 00:13:55,750 How young? These entrepreneurs? How young is young? 188 00:13:57,625 --> 00:13:58,750 Piss off, Nick. 189 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:04,416 How do they get away with this? 190 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:08,875 That is why we have hired Jason. To manage this. 191 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:11,125 Time. 192 00:14:12,375 --> 00:14:15,916 -It takes time. -Time? That photograph is nine years old. 193 00:14:20,958 --> 00:14:22,083 -Sir, just-- -No. 194 00:14:22,166 --> 00:14:25,541 -No quick fix to a story like this. -So you people keep telling me. 195 00:14:27,416 --> 00:14:29,708 [Jason] And you are 100% right, 196 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,208 Your Royal Highness. 197 00:14:33,291 --> 00:14:34,458 About what? 198 00:14:36,625 --> 00:14:39,833 You've been dealing with this Epstein mess for nearly a decade. 199 00:14:40,416 --> 00:14:42,916 You haven't seen him in that time, correct? 200 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:45,333 Uh… No. No, um… 201 00:14:45,416 --> 00:14:46,833 No, absolutely. It was, um… 202 00:14:47,583 --> 00:14:50,250 Uh… December 2010. 203 00:14:51,125 --> 00:14:55,166 Then my instinct is… you haven't had the right strategy. 204 00:14:55,250 --> 00:14:58,750 Epstein, and the whole… Playboy Prince thing, 205 00:14:58,833 --> 00:15:01,125 should have been put to bed a long time ago. 206 00:15:02,458 --> 00:15:04,166 And I can make it go away. 207 00:15:05,416 --> 00:15:07,416 But you have to let me control it. 208 00:15:08,250 --> 00:15:09,083 Amanda? 209 00:15:11,458 --> 00:15:15,458 Well, uh, Jason knows the press. 210 00:15:15,541 --> 00:15:16,958 That's why we hired him. 211 00:15:17,041 --> 00:15:18,000 Uh… 212 00:15:19,125 --> 00:15:20,500 I think he can help us. 213 00:15:26,791 --> 00:15:30,583 I've, uh, put together a list of friendly journalists. 214 00:15:30,666 --> 00:15:32,958 That's a… contradiction in terms, innit? 215 00:15:33,583 --> 00:15:37,041 Invite them here, one by one, for tea. 216 00:15:37,541 --> 00:15:39,583 They feel special. 217 00:15:39,666 --> 00:15:42,416 You get to know each other, all off the record, 218 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:45,750 and slowly they realize you're a decent human being, 219 00:15:45,833 --> 00:15:47,583 who is, by the way, 220 00:15:47,666 --> 00:15:50,250 prepared to acknowledge errors of judgment. 221 00:15:51,916 --> 00:15:52,916 [grunts] 222 00:15:53,833 --> 00:15:54,833 Slowly. 223 00:15:55,750 --> 00:15:58,333 It's always slowly. Always time. 224 00:15:59,375 --> 00:16:00,833 I'm 60 next year. 225 00:16:01,958 --> 00:16:03,583 And my mother, well… 226 00:16:05,583 --> 00:16:07,375 none of us are getting any younger. 227 00:16:27,916 --> 00:16:29,458 Jason's list of journalists. 228 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:32,666 [inhales deeply] 229 00:16:33,750 --> 00:16:35,000 Mm… 230 00:16:35,083 --> 00:16:35,958 What? 231 00:16:37,083 --> 00:16:38,500 [sighs] Well, this… 232 00:16:39,416 --> 00:16:42,083 This list. This… strategy. 233 00:16:43,416 --> 00:16:44,916 We've been down this road before. 234 00:16:59,375 --> 00:17:01,375 ["Don't Rain On My Parade" plays as ringtone] 235 00:17:06,958 --> 00:17:08,500 -Hello? -[Amanda] Hello, Sam. 236 00:17:08,583 --> 00:17:10,625 It's Amanda Thirsk from the Duke of York's office. 237 00:17:10,708 --> 00:17:11,541 Hi. 238 00:17:12,208 --> 00:17:13,916 But we don't do red lines. 239 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,208 No questions off the table. 240 00:17:16,875 --> 00:17:19,291 -Maybe just think on it. -I'll get back to you. 241 00:17:19,375 --> 00:17:21,208 Great. Speak soon. 242 00:17:23,583 --> 00:17:26,291 -[woman] Anything good? -Not sure. The Palace. 243 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:30,583 -Right, what have we got? -You know what I think? 244 00:17:30,666 --> 00:17:33,458 For intelligent analysis, we're the only place in town. 245 00:17:33,541 --> 00:17:34,375 Brexit again. 246 00:17:34,458 --> 00:17:37,375 Sam, didn't you have something? The Palace? 247 00:17:37,458 --> 00:17:39,708 Uh, not for tonight. But we have Lupita. 248 00:17:39,791 --> 00:17:41,750 Great. Which bit of the Palace? 249 00:17:42,625 --> 00:17:45,833 -Prince Andrew's private secretary. -Okay, what do they want? 250 00:17:45,916 --> 00:17:48,625 Pitch@Palace. It's like The Apprentice, 251 00:17:48,708 --> 00:17:51,875 only you get Prince Andrew instead of Donald Trump. 252 00:17:51,958 --> 00:17:54,291 -It's not on television-- -Not Newsnight, is it? 253 00:17:54,375 --> 00:17:55,416 Do you know Andrew's PS? 254 00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:58,541 -No. -Did she reach out to you first? 255 00:18:00,291 --> 00:18:01,125 [Sam] Yeah. 256 00:18:03,291 --> 00:18:04,166 Yeah. 257 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,041 Okay, everyone, keep looking, and let's talk again in an hour. 258 00:18:08,541 --> 00:18:11,041 [pensive music plays] 259 00:18:35,291 --> 00:18:36,666 [Sam] I need a connect. 260 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:40,666 Uh, Jae Donnelly. A pap. Based in New York. Do you know him? 261 00:18:43,666 --> 00:18:44,583 Great. 262 00:18:45,333 --> 00:18:47,125 God… For Christ's sake. 263 00:18:47,833 --> 00:18:51,166 Farage isn't available. We need somebody else. 264 00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:53,875 Maybe even he's bored with it by now. Give me a minute. 265 00:18:53,958 --> 00:18:55,500 -Who's on the phone? -Photographer. 266 00:18:55,583 --> 00:18:57,791 Working for who? Paparazzi? 267 00:18:57,875 --> 00:19:00,958 All your favorites, Freddy. The Sun. The Mail. 268 00:19:01,041 --> 00:19:02,125 For Christ's sake. 269 00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:04,291 [Sam] You know what? If we had half the instincts 270 00:19:04,375 --> 00:19:07,666 and a quarter of the contacts for the average tabloid pap, 271 00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:09,708 maybe we wouldn't be scrabbling around 272 00:19:09,791 --> 00:19:12,541 for new ways to have the same argument every night. 273 00:19:12,625 --> 00:19:15,125 So just, you know, leave it with me, yeah? 274 00:19:15,208 --> 00:19:16,416 Coming right up. 275 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:19,958 Someone… Someone for Emily to really tell off. 276 00:19:20,041 --> 00:19:23,166 -All the dinner parties in North London… -Sam. 277 00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:26,333 -…say, "Did you see Newsnight last night? -Sam. 278 00:19:26,416 --> 00:19:31,458 "Wasn't it amazing how Emily Maitlis said all the great things we all agree with?" 279 00:19:31,541 --> 00:19:36,333 We're mistaking talking to ourselves for news, Freddy, and it's killing us. 280 00:19:36,416 --> 00:19:37,625 [inhales deeply] 281 00:19:43,041 --> 00:19:44,541 -Stewart. -Mm? 282 00:19:44,625 --> 00:19:46,250 I'm heading down to the studio. 283 00:19:48,041 --> 00:19:50,500 [pensive music plays] 284 00:19:52,375 --> 00:19:54,416 -Come! Moody! -[dog whimpers] 285 00:19:57,041 --> 00:20:01,125 I behave like that… insulting people in front of the entire office, 286 00:20:02,416 --> 00:20:04,750 I mean, am I still here? Do I still have a job? 287 00:20:16,416 --> 00:20:18,416 We have an issue 288 00:20:19,416 --> 00:20:20,416 with Sam. 289 00:20:21,041 --> 00:20:22,208 We? Who's we? 290 00:20:22,291 --> 00:20:24,750 [scoffs] Well, I do, 291 00:20:24,833 --> 00:20:27,416 Freddy, and now possibly Emily. 292 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,458 I'm not a snob, but she's very Daily Mail. 293 00:20:30,541 --> 00:20:33,166 I'm not saying we can't cope with different opinions, 294 00:20:33,250 --> 00:20:34,208 but she is… 295 00:20:35,041 --> 00:20:36,958 she's too defensive. 296 00:20:45,125 --> 00:20:46,708 [woman] Put the lights up a touch. 297 00:20:47,708 --> 00:20:49,000 It's too cold. 298 00:20:50,625 --> 00:20:52,333 I didn't say "turn back down." 299 00:20:52,416 --> 00:20:55,416 [tech] Sure, but this is the correct set level for broadcast. 300 00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:57,458 I'm aware of that. Back up. 301 00:20:58,041 --> 00:20:59,375 Thanks for coming, Sam. 302 00:21:00,041 --> 00:21:01,875 That level but warmer. 303 00:21:01,958 --> 00:21:03,416 [tech] All right, okay. 304 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:05,541 I'll just have to switch some things around. 305 00:21:07,125 --> 00:21:09,375 You understand the pressure we're under? 306 00:21:09,458 --> 00:21:12,041 All of us. I've got enough fights on my hands 307 00:21:12,125 --> 00:21:13,750 without having them in my own team. 308 00:21:13,833 --> 00:21:15,166 Maybe you should speak with-- 309 00:21:15,250 --> 00:21:18,958 I am speaking to them, and I'm saying to them the same thing I'm saying to you. 310 00:21:20,291 --> 00:21:22,375 -Help me out. -What about something like that? 311 00:21:22,458 --> 00:21:24,458 Warmer, much warmer. 312 00:21:25,916 --> 00:21:28,416 I'm trying to make changes. I want a broader audience. 313 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:32,000 That's how we survive. I've no interest in echo chambers. 314 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:34,416 I want different voices. I want tension. 315 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:35,583 And passion. 316 00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:43,958 -Look, Emily, I'm sorry. -No, you're not. 317 00:21:45,416 --> 00:21:46,666 You meant every word. 318 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:48,541 Not every word. 319 00:21:49,166 --> 00:21:51,583 Don't think I don't know what people think about me. 320 00:21:51,666 --> 00:21:53,958 The point is, if we're at each other's throats, 321 00:21:54,041 --> 00:21:55,833 then none of this is going to work. 322 00:21:56,875 --> 00:21:58,333 [tech] So what are we saying? 323 00:21:58,958 --> 00:22:00,166 No, warmer. 324 00:22:00,833 --> 00:22:02,083 Okay, stop there. 325 00:22:02,833 --> 00:22:04,500 -I like it. -[tech] Great. 326 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,333 Okay, understood. Anything else? 327 00:22:08,375 --> 00:22:10,166 -I-- -[Emily] Three women and a whippet. 328 00:22:10,666 --> 00:22:13,625 You wouldn't have seen that in a BBC studio when I started. 329 00:22:13,708 --> 00:22:15,166 [woman laughs] 330 00:22:26,666 --> 00:22:29,375 -[girl] Oh my God, n-- -Oh my God, that is-- 331 00:22:29,458 --> 00:22:31,541 -No, no, no, no, no! -No, no, no, no! 332 00:22:32,583 --> 00:22:34,375 -[exclaiming] -I told you! 333 00:22:34,458 --> 00:22:36,458 [overlapping excited chatter] 334 00:22:36,541 --> 00:22:37,958 [musical ringtone playing] 335 00:22:38,041 --> 00:22:38,916 Oh. 336 00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:45,750 Sorry about the noise. I'm working. I might have to go without saying goodbye. 337 00:22:45,833 --> 00:22:48,375 Thanks for calling me back. Anything good? 338 00:22:49,416 --> 00:22:52,208 A Kardashian launching a new pair of knickers. 339 00:22:53,208 --> 00:22:54,208 Gotta pay the bills. 340 00:22:54,291 --> 00:22:56,208 -[chuckles] -All right, check your messages. 341 00:22:57,708 --> 00:23:00,833 Some photos of girls I've taken over the years at Epstein's. 342 00:23:01,541 --> 00:23:04,333 They are in there about an hour each. 343 00:23:04,416 --> 00:23:05,708 They look very young. 344 00:23:05,791 --> 00:23:07,250 [girls laughing] 345 00:23:15,833 --> 00:23:18,500 [Jae] They come from an apartment block on 66th Street 346 00:23:18,583 --> 00:23:21,000 owned by Epstein's brother, rented by Jeffrey. 347 00:23:22,166 --> 00:23:25,791 It's a warehouse of girls. 348 00:23:26,833 --> 00:23:28,541 He calls them his "nubiles." 349 00:23:28,625 --> 00:23:29,458 [scoffs] 350 00:23:29,958 --> 00:23:31,250 This is still happening? 351 00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:32,416 It's industrial, Sam. 352 00:23:33,958 --> 00:23:35,708 I've been in New York for years. 353 00:23:35,791 --> 00:23:39,166 All I have to do is spend 24 hours outside of that place, 354 00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:40,750 and you see them come and go. 355 00:23:40,833 --> 00:23:42,458 How do we not know about this? 356 00:23:42,541 --> 00:23:44,791 Because it's young girls no one cares about 357 00:23:44,875 --> 00:23:46,333 going in and out of a house. 358 00:23:47,375 --> 00:23:48,375 And he's rich. 359 00:23:49,541 --> 00:23:53,375 You know, he went to jail. Now he's out. Frankly, hardly anyone gives a shit. 360 00:23:53,875 --> 00:23:56,541 And Andrew, is he in there often? 361 00:23:56,625 --> 00:23:58,791 -Oh, back in the day, sure. -Any proof? 362 00:23:58,875 --> 00:24:01,083 Of Andrew actually at Epstein's? 363 00:24:01,166 --> 00:24:02,833 Other than the park picture? 364 00:24:02,916 --> 00:24:04,041 Uh… no. 365 00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:06,083 No, they're careful. 366 00:24:07,375 --> 00:24:09,083 But I can promise you he was there. 367 00:24:09,583 --> 00:24:12,250 -You know about Ghislaine Maxwell, right? -[clamoring] 368 00:24:12,333 --> 00:24:14,166 -Andrew's friend? -No. 369 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:17,666 Well, you should. I've gotta go. Ghislaine. Look her up. I'll be in touch. 370 00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:18,625 Thanks. 371 00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:26,875 -[girl 1] Guys. -[girl 2] What? 372 00:24:26,958 --> 00:24:29,291 -[girl 1] Look at this. -[girl 3] Let me see. 373 00:24:30,375 --> 00:24:32,375 [all exclaiming] 374 00:24:40,416 --> 00:24:42,416 [pensive music fades slowly] 375 00:25:01,708 --> 00:25:03,208 [woman] Sam. Leave him a minute. 376 00:25:03,291 --> 00:25:05,166 [mouthing] 377 00:25:06,083 --> 00:25:07,791 -A what? -[softly] Writing a poem. 378 00:25:07,875 --> 00:25:09,083 Lucas? 379 00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:12,750 [horns honking] 380 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000 [woman speaking indistinctly on TV] 381 00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:25,083 So who is she? 382 00:25:26,958 --> 00:25:28,333 I'm not in her class. 383 00:25:30,541 --> 00:25:35,083 Listen, I… I know I'm your mum, and I'm biased and everything, 384 00:25:35,166 --> 00:25:37,958 but you're very handsome, so you shouldn't-- 385 00:25:38,041 --> 00:25:40,791 No. Oh my. I mean my actual class. 386 00:25:40,875 --> 00:25:42,875 -She's in the year above. -Oh. 387 00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:44,875 Well, I like your ambition. [laughs] 388 00:25:44,958 --> 00:25:47,500 -[man] Chili sauce, yeah? The usual? -Yes, please. 389 00:25:48,125 --> 00:25:50,333 You want a tip? How to talk to girls? 390 00:25:50,416 --> 00:25:52,291 -Do I have a choice? -Not really, no. 391 00:25:52,375 --> 00:25:54,833 You listen. Most people want to talk. 392 00:25:54,916 --> 00:25:57,583 But most people are terrible at listening. 393 00:25:57,666 --> 00:25:58,583 Mm. 394 00:25:58,666 --> 00:26:01,041 [news jingle playing] 395 00:26:01,125 --> 00:26:05,666 But you promised the British people there wouldn't be an issue. 396 00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:07,916 And at the time, I followed that through-- 397 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,291 -Were you wrong at the time? -I don't accept that. 398 00:26:10,375 --> 00:26:13,958 Well, you were either wrong or making a promise you couldn't keep. 399 00:26:14,041 --> 00:26:14,875 Which is it? 400 00:26:15,916 --> 00:26:19,708 You described yourself as a man of principle. 401 00:26:20,208 --> 00:26:25,000 You also guaranteed voters that border checks between the UK and EU 402 00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:26,791 would be unaffected by Brex-- 403 00:26:26,875 --> 00:26:27,916 [TV mutes] 404 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,583 [pensive music playing] 405 00:27:07,541 --> 00:27:09,750 [Jae] Hi, this is Jae Donnelly. Leave a message. 406 00:27:10,458 --> 00:27:13,041 Hi, Jae. It's Sam. 407 00:27:13,125 --> 00:27:16,541 Uh… this photo of… Andrew 408 00:27:16,625 --> 00:27:18,958 with Ghislaine Maxwell in London 409 00:27:19,041 --> 00:27:22,375 and a girl, 17 at the time… 410 00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:26,875 Uh, 2001. Virginia Roberts. Do you know anything about it? 411 00:27:26,958 --> 00:27:30,541 Um… Give me a call when you get this. Thanks. 412 00:27:35,333 --> 00:27:36,500 [phone buzzes] 413 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,125 [alert whooshes] 414 00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:01,541 Bloody hell. 415 00:28:02,041 --> 00:28:03,333 [woman] I want a selfie. 416 00:28:03,416 --> 00:28:04,791 [chuckles] Okay. Okay. 417 00:28:04,875 --> 00:28:05,916 And a spoon. 418 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:07,666 [chuckles] 419 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:09,083 Okay, bye. 420 00:28:09,166 --> 00:28:11,083 -[driver] Don't tell me. -What? 421 00:28:11,958 --> 00:28:13,208 Is it Phil the Greek? 422 00:28:14,458 --> 00:28:15,500 Jugface? 423 00:28:15,583 --> 00:28:16,625 I can't say. 424 00:28:16,708 --> 00:28:19,083 It can't be Her Majesty. Her flag's not up. 425 00:28:21,125 --> 00:28:24,041 Well, just as long as it's not that Randy fucking Andy. 426 00:28:24,125 --> 00:28:25,375 [chuckles] 427 00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:31,208 Here we go. 428 00:28:31,916 --> 00:28:33,541 [pensive music playing] 429 00:28:33,625 --> 00:28:34,666 Whew! 430 00:28:35,583 --> 00:28:36,416 Thanks. 431 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:38,333 [sighs] 432 00:28:40,458 --> 00:28:42,000 -Hello. Morning. -Morning. 433 00:28:42,791 --> 00:28:43,625 Yeah. 434 00:28:44,708 --> 00:28:46,041 -Okay. -Thank you. 435 00:28:48,208 --> 00:28:50,291 Follow the path. They'll let you in at the top. 436 00:28:50,375 --> 00:28:51,666 Okay, great. Thanks. 437 00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:53,750 [pensive music builds slowly] 438 00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:14,125 [man] Good afternoon. 439 00:29:44,708 --> 00:29:46,791 [Amanda] Earl Grey or chamomile? 440 00:29:46,875 --> 00:29:48,125 [chuckles, sighs] 441 00:29:52,708 --> 00:29:54,333 [Amanda] We lose a fair few. 442 00:29:55,416 --> 00:29:56,750 -Teaspoons. -[both chuckle] 443 00:29:56,833 --> 00:29:58,041 They just seem to 444 00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:00,250 go. 445 00:30:02,083 --> 00:30:04,125 It's seen as a good thing. 446 00:30:04,208 --> 00:30:07,583 -It means everybody wants a part of us. -Us? 447 00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:11,583 [inhales] Well, I've been here for a long time. 448 00:30:11,666 --> 00:30:16,500 It's like family. The day we don't need to budget for extra teaspoons… 449 00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:20,041 And… would he be prepared to talk about that? 450 00:30:21,208 --> 00:30:24,291 The theft of teaspoons from Buckingham Palace? 451 00:30:24,375 --> 00:30:28,375 The future of the monarchy. What it will mean when the Queen dies. 452 00:30:29,333 --> 00:30:31,166 [quietly] We don't talk about that. 453 00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:34,000 Too painful? For a favorite son? 454 00:30:35,791 --> 00:30:37,708 [inhales sharply, exhales] 455 00:30:37,791 --> 00:30:40,000 One thing about Her Majesty, 456 00:30:40,083 --> 00:30:43,500 she is a very good judge of character. 457 00:30:45,375 --> 00:30:46,291 Mm. 458 00:30:47,916 --> 00:30:49,791 So… what's she like? 459 00:30:50,541 --> 00:30:51,708 -Who? -Emily. 460 00:30:51,791 --> 00:30:54,875 Oh, well, she runs… [chuckles] 461 00:30:54,958 --> 00:30:57,458 She swims, she interviews. 462 00:30:57,541 --> 00:31:00,625 Nobody's ever seen her eat. She's Superwoman. 463 00:31:01,583 --> 00:31:04,125 -And the Bic. -Harry Potter has his wand. 464 00:31:04,208 --> 00:31:06,458 Emily Maitlis has her Bic. 465 00:31:06,541 --> 00:31:07,750 [Amanda chuckles softly] 466 00:31:08,708 --> 00:31:11,875 And Andrew? How's his judge of character? 467 00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:18,625 He's a… a very loyal friend. 468 00:31:19,583 --> 00:31:22,000 Too loyal for his own good sometimes. 469 00:31:23,416 --> 00:31:24,583 Ghislaine Maxwell. 470 00:31:24,666 --> 00:31:25,833 [elevator dings] 471 00:31:26,583 --> 00:31:28,750 -She was a good friend, yes. -Mm-hmm. 472 00:31:31,833 --> 00:31:33,166 Straight to the point. 473 00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:34,791 There was some small talk, 474 00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:39,583 but we're both busy women, and we both know why we're here, Amanda. 475 00:31:44,208 --> 00:31:46,333 [whispers] Do you want to get a real drink? 476 00:31:46,416 --> 00:31:47,333 [chuckles] 477 00:31:47,416 --> 00:31:49,416 -[elevator dings] -[pensive music plays] 478 00:31:52,666 --> 00:31:53,541 Amanda? 479 00:31:58,833 --> 00:31:59,666 Amanda? 480 00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:01,583 Uh… she's out. 481 00:32:02,083 --> 00:32:03,791 With Sam McAlister. 482 00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:07,166 Who? 483 00:32:10,291 --> 00:32:12,833 What do you think you know about me, Sam? 484 00:32:13,416 --> 00:32:14,708 [inhales deeply] 485 00:32:15,375 --> 00:32:16,833 I know you come from banking. 486 00:32:17,666 --> 00:32:18,708 A single mum. 487 00:32:20,083 --> 00:32:23,833 I know that you've been doing this job for seven years, 488 00:32:23,916 --> 00:32:26,416 and you have a problem that won't go away. 489 00:32:27,125 --> 00:32:28,791 And I know that you're here 490 00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:31,791 and Jason Stein isn't. 491 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,833 So? 492 00:32:33,916 --> 00:32:37,208 So maybe it's you who wants to do things differently. 493 00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:40,833 Or we're just looking at options. 494 00:32:41,625 --> 00:32:44,000 -Or that. -[both laugh] 495 00:32:44,083 --> 00:32:46,125 -[phone buzzing] -[Amanda] Oh… 496 00:32:46,208 --> 00:32:47,583 Uh… 497 00:32:47,666 --> 00:32:49,500 Sorry, it's Andrew. He needs me. 498 00:32:49,583 --> 00:32:52,833 Um, I'm only trying to be honest with you, Amanda. 499 00:32:52,916 --> 00:32:53,875 I always am. 500 00:32:53,958 --> 00:32:57,083 And you know it can't just be Pitch. 501 00:32:57,166 --> 00:33:02,000 And like I said before, you wouldn't be here talking to Newsnight 502 00:33:02,083 --> 00:33:03,916 if you didn't already know that. 503 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,541 [inhales sharply] But I'm not talking to Newsnight, Sam. 504 00:33:08,208 --> 00:33:09,375 I'm talking to you. 505 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:11,916 And there is a red line. 506 00:33:12,958 --> 00:33:14,500 [melancholy music playing] 507 00:33:14,583 --> 00:33:15,916 Thank you for meeting. 508 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:25,750 [Andrew] You'll like this too. This is moments 509 00:33:25,833 --> 00:33:29,625 after I've just narrowly been missed by inches by an Exocet missile. 510 00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:31,000 And as soon as it came, I'd… 511 00:33:31,083 --> 00:33:34,125 Out of the way, and I'd come down. I'd do that two times a day. 512 00:33:34,208 --> 00:33:36,416 [woman] Must have been terrifying moments. 513 00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:37,791 Oh, some of the worst. 514 00:33:38,958 --> 00:33:40,208 And some of the best. 515 00:33:41,375 --> 00:33:43,125 Those… Those… Those men, 516 00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:45,625 they… they-they really knew me, you know? 517 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,208 Well, there's no hiding in war. 518 00:33:48,708 --> 00:33:50,500 From your shipmates. Um… 519 00:33:51,708 --> 00:33:52,708 From yourself. 520 00:33:53,250 --> 00:33:54,541 Do you ever miss it? 521 00:33:54,625 --> 00:33:55,583 What, war? 522 00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,666 The Argies were a lot less trouble than your lot. 523 00:33:58,750 --> 00:33:59,583 [laughter] 524 00:33:59,666 --> 00:34:02,375 Come on. Let's go for it. Let's do the tour. 525 00:34:04,958 --> 00:34:07,375 [Jason] Newsnight? Newsnight?! 526 00:34:08,041 --> 00:34:09,291 You saw that. 527 00:34:09,375 --> 00:34:12,791 Can't… Can't you see how good he is with people? 528 00:34:12,875 --> 00:34:15,208 How they like him when they spend time with him? 529 00:34:15,291 --> 00:34:18,041 -That's the plan, Amanda. -Look, it's called charm. 530 00:34:18,125 --> 00:34:20,958 Jason, you have to be in the room with it to feel it. 531 00:34:21,875 --> 00:34:22,708 Television? 532 00:34:22,791 --> 00:34:24,833 Look, it was just a meeting. 533 00:34:24,916 --> 00:34:27,291 A meeting you shouldn't have taken. 534 00:34:27,375 --> 00:34:28,750 Especially without me. 535 00:34:29,666 --> 00:34:30,708 This is my job. 536 00:34:33,833 --> 00:34:35,375 No, not now, Freddy. 537 00:34:35,458 --> 00:34:39,333 -Did the liquid lunch go on the BBC tab? -[sighs] I was so close. 538 00:34:39,416 --> 00:34:44,125 Really? Think you have special powers over a big beast like Buckingham Palace Comms? 539 00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:46,833 It was just the two of us. Nobody else. 540 00:34:46,916 --> 00:34:49,375 -And we were so close. -To what? 541 00:34:49,458 --> 00:34:53,000 An interview. This Epstein story isn't going away. 542 00:34:53,083 --> 00:34:57,375 Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's girlfriend, is one of Andrew's oldest friends. 543 00:34:57,458 --> 00:35:00,041 Then they're not gonna talk to us about it, are they? 544 00:35:00,125 --> 00:35:02,625 Sam, it's celebrity fluff, not Newsnight. 545 00:35:02,708 --> 00:35:05,541 [Sam] It's not fluff. It's exactly what we should be doing. 546 00:35:05,625 --> 00:35:07,875 I'm sorry, but we don't have time for you to spend 547 00:35:07,958 --> 00:35:11,666 a whole day chasing a story that we're never gonna get. Not anymore. 548 00:35:12,708 --> 00:35:16,000 We're meant to be a team. Why do you think you're so special? 549 00:35:19,666 --> 00:35:20,833 This is the work. 550 00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:25,208 All right? Today was the work because this story is only going to get bigger. 551 00:35:25,291 --> 00:35:28,500 And when it does, we don't wanna be the first people making the call. 552 00:35:28,583 --> 00:35:30,833 We wanna be the first people they call. And if I-- 553 00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:37,458 If I can't do my job the way it needs to be done, 554 00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:40,791 then I don't think I can do this anymore. 555 00:35:49,958 --> 00:35:51,666 [energetic music playing] 556 00:36:01,208 --> 00:36:02,541 Oh, Sammy. 557 00:36:03,958 --> 00:36:05,958 [breathes deeply] 558 00:36:11,375 --> 00:36:13,375 [pensive music playing] 559 00:36:36,291 --> 00:36:39,041 [automated voice] Please leave a message after the tone. 560 00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:42,916 Hi, Esme. It's Sam. 561 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,041 Um… 562 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,125 I was just calling… 563 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:49,500 Uh, could you… 564 00:36:51,166 --> 00:36:55,500 Could you call me back when you get this? It's important. Thanks, bye. 565 00:36:56,416 --> 00:36:57,291 You all right? 566 00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,291 D'you know, I spend half my time 567 00:37:05,375 --> 00:37:08,250 just absolutely terrified of getting sacked, 568 00:37:08,333 --> 00:37:10,750 and the rest of it wishing they'd get it over with. 569 00:37:11,791 --> 00:37:13,666 Why don't they see me as one of them? 570 00:37:14,833 --> 00:37:18,541 -Maybe there's somewhere easier. -I don't want it to be easy, Mum. I just… 571 00:37:18,625 --> 00:37:20,625 [footsteps approaching] 572 00:37:21,416 --> 00:37:23,291 I just want it to matter. 573 00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:24,416 [door shuts] 574 00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:26,458 [inhales] Lucas! 575 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000 -Mmm… Night-night. -Night-night. Night-night. [kisses] 576 00:37:31,208 --> 00:37:32,583 -Night, you. -Night. 577 00:37:33,083 --> 00:37:33,958 [kisses] 578 00:37:34,541 --> 00:37:35,416 Hello. 579 00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,125 I spoke to her. Freya. That's her name. 580 00:37:38,208 --> 00:37:41,458 Yeah. And what did she say? What did you say? 581 00:37:41,541 --> 00:37:43,166 -Hello. -[chuckles] 582 00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:44,208 What did she say? 583 00:37:44,291 --> 00:37:47,500 Well, I thought maybe she hadn't heard me. But she did. And-- 584 00:37:47,583 --> 00:37:50,958 -[musical ringtone playing] -Yeah. Oh, one minute, darling. Wait. 585 00:37:51,041 --> 00:37:52,208 One second. Hang on. 586 00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:55,708 Jae? 587 00:37:55,791 --> 00:37:57,083 How was the Palace? 588 00:37:57,166 --> 00:37:59,291 I couldn't make it work. Epstein's a no-go. 589 00:37:59,375 --> 00:38:00,541 Well, not anymore. 590 00:38:01,125 --> 00:38:04,458 -What do you mean? -I'm at Teterboro. A private airfield. 591 00:38:04,541 --> 00:38:07,833 Our friend Jeffrey's plane is due to land in the next hour. 592 00:38:08,666 --> 00:38:10,125 And the FBI are waiting. 593 00:38:10,791 --> 00:38:12,666 -Mum! Can you… -[car alarm chirps] 594 00:38:13,666 --> 00:38:16,125 Can you stay one more hour with Lucas? That all right? 595 00:38:16,208 --> 00:38:18,875 -Yeah, of course. -I'll be back before he goes to bed. 596 00:38:19,375 --> 00:38:21,083 [Sam's mum] Take your time. See you later. 597 00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:29,125 [musical ringtone playing] 598 00:38:35,083 --> 00:38:35,916 Hello? 599 00:38:36,916 --> 00:38:38,041 You called me. 600 00:38:38,125 --> 00:38:39,666 You said it was important. 601 00:38:41,083 --> 00:38:44,541 Jeffrey Epstein is being arrested tonight. Sex trafficking. 602 00:38:46,166 --> 00:38:47,708 Esme? Are you there? 603 00:38:47,791 --> 00:38:49,291 So it's a news story now. 604 00:38:49,791 --> 00:38:52,166 Right, let's start pushing the Palace. 605 00:38:57,083 --> 00:38:57,958 Thanks. 606 00:38:58,041 --> 00:39:00,041 [energetic music playing] 607 00:39:04,125 --> 00:39:05,166 Whew! 608 00:39:16,041 --> 00:39:17,083 All right. 609 00:39:17,166 --> 00:39:18,583 [door buzzes] 610 00:39:22,583 --> 00:39:24,458 Everything's changed. 611 00:39:25,041 --> 00:39:27,791 Any moment now, you are going to get a phone call. 612 00:39:27,875 --> 00:39:29,208 After that, a hundred more. 613 00:39:29,291 --> 00:39:32,458 We have a few hours, at best, before the tsunami hits. 614 00:39:32,541 --> 00:39:35,333 -I thought we could use it, both of us. -What has changed? 615 00:39:35,416 --> 00:39:38,250 The FBI are raiding Jeffrey Epstein's home any moment now. 616 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,916 This red line of yours isn't going to hold, Amanda. 617 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,708 You can't go "no comment" on being friends with a pedophile 618 00:39:46,791 --> 00:39:49,208 and expect everyone to love you, whoever you are. 619 00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:53,875 -How do I know I can trust you? -You don't. 620 00:39:54,375 --> 00:39:57,458 And you don't have to because I can give you an hour. 621 00:39:58,583 --> 00:40:01,416 Yeah? And then it's up to him. Not you. 622 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,208 Not me. Him. 623 00:40:07,791 --> 00:40:09,000 [exhales] 624 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,666 An hour of television can change everything. 625 00:40:15,583 --> 00:40:16,625 It's like magic. 626 00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:23,375 [newswoman] US financier Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested today 627 00:40:23,458 --> 00:40:25,958 on federal sex trafficking charges. 628 00:40:26,541 --> 00:40:31,666 The disgraced billionaire has been accused of trafficking dozens of underage girls. 629 00:40:32,291 --> 00:40:35,333 He was previously convicted in 2008 630 00:40:35,416 --> 00:40:38,958 after pleading guilty to soliciting a minor for prostitution. 631 00:40:40,708 --> 00:40:41,916 How many times? 632 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,541 …will no doubt focus on Mr. Epstein's friendship… 633 00:40:44,625 --> 00:40:46,125 How many times? 634 00:40:46,208 --> 00:40:48,875 …the Duke of York, who previously claimed to have cut… 635 00:40:48,958 --> 00:40:49,791 I'm sorry. 636 00:40:49,875 --> 00:40:51,875 …all ties with Epstein in 2010. 637 00:40:55,875 --> 00:40:56,875 [sighs] 638 00:40:56,958 --> 00:41:00,166 Where does he go? Simple question, where does he go? 639 00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:02,625 [scoffs] 640 00:41:04,583 --> 00:41:05,500 A clue. 641 00:41:07,916 --> 00:41:09,000 He's a marsupial. 642 00:41:12,041 --> 00:41:14,333 Roo. As in Kanga. 643 00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:19,250 Put them together. What do you get? 644 00:41:22,125 --> 00:41:24,208 -Rookanga. -Oh, go away. 645 00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:27,541 Go away! 646 00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:31,375 [tense music playing] 647 00:41:37,541 --> 00:41:39,541 [indistinct shouting intensifies] 648 00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:46,083 They have acknowledged the duke's friendship with Mr. Epstein in the past. 649 00:41:46,166 --> 00:41:47,166 They state that… 650 00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:50,291 [Sam] If the prime minister needs to get this message across to voters, 651 00:41:50,375 --> 00:41:53,541 you're going to need to send us someone people have actually heard of, 652 00:41:53,625 --> 00:41:57,958 who can form sentences using more than just single-syllable… words… 653 00:41:58,041 --> 00:41:59,541 …now has the very latest news. 654 00:41:59,625 --> 00:42:02,208 The investigation surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's arrest 655 00:42:02,291 --> 00:42:04,708 three weeks ago for child sex offenses 656 00:42:04,791 --> 00:42:09,291 has today widened to include his friend Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, 657 00:42:09,375 --> 00:42:13,541 as previously suppressed documents from a case in 2015 come to light. 658 00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:19,416 Virginia Giuffre, 17 at the time of the allegations, 659 00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:23,041 claims in newly released documents that she had sex with the Duke of York 660 00:42:23,125 --> 00:42:24,791 on three separate occasions. 661 00:42:24,875 --> 00:42:28,250 Twice in London, and once in Mr. Epstein's home in New York. 662 00:42:29,791 --> 00:42:32,666 [female reporter] While Buckingham Palace continue to deny 663 00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:35,916 these latest allegations against the Duke of York, 664 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,083 Virginia Giuffre told reporters outside a court in Manhattan… 665 00:42:40,166 --> 00:42:41,000 [scoffs] 666 00:42:41,083 --> 00:42:42,125 It's not true. 667 00:42:42,833 --> 00:42:44,750 I mean, none of it is true. 668 00:42:44,833 --> 00:42:47,375 -…the deepening crisis surrounding Andrew… -[scoffs] 669 00:42:52,708 --> 00:42:55,000 The morning I went away to boarding school… 670 00:42:57,625 --> 00:42:58,958 Mummy combed my hair. 671 00:43:03,166 --> 00:43:05,916 It was one of those tortoiseshell combs. Remember those? 672 00:43:08,958 --> 00:43:11,666 I can feel it now, scraping across my head. 673 00:43:15,083 --> 00:43:16,666 It hurt, but I… [sighs] 674 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,250 But I didn't want it to stop. 675 00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:29,625 So Jason says… n-nothing changes. 676 00:43:29,708 --> 00:43:31,708 We… hold our nerve. 677 00:43:34,541 --> 00:43:35,958 Is that what you think? 678 00:43:38,791 --> 00:43:40,375 Let's see how it plays out. 679 00:43:46,416 --> 00:43:47,583 [exhales sharply] 680 00:43:56,625 --> 00:43:59,750 I'm supposed to be talking to Mummy about my 60th birthday. 681 00:44:03,625 --> 00:44:04,833 She's got big plans. 682 00:44:04,916 --> 00:44:06,916 [tense warbling music builds slowly] 683 00:44:26,125 --> 00:44:28,458 [anchor 1] Mr. Epstein, arrested just over a month ago, 684 00:44:28,541 --> 00:44:29,916 was found dead this morning 685 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,916 in his cell at the Metropolitan… 686 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,833 [anchor 2] He once counted among his friends Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew… 687 00:44:34,916 --> 00:44:37,041 [anchor 3] He was in cardiac arrest and pronounced dead… 688 00:44:37,125 --> 00:44:39,666 [anchor 4] …charged on trafficking dozens of girls for sex… 689 00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:42,541 -[anchor 5] …six underage victims… -[anchor 6] …involving underage girls… 690 00:44:42,625 --> 00:44:45,208 [anchor 7] …including Donald Trump, liked beautiful women… 691 00:44:45,291 --> 00:44:47,833 [anchor 8] …categorically denied by the royal family. 692 00:44:47,916 --> 00:44:52,458 [Esme] All across the world, every paper, every show on every news channel, 693 00:44:52,541 --> 00:44:54,875 this is the story. The only story. 694 00:44:54,958 --> 00:44:56,125 -Morning. -Morning. 695 00:44:56,208 --> 00:44:57,791 Sam, I want it for us. 696 00:44:58,791 --> 00:44:59,875 For Newsnight. 697 00:44:59,958 --> 00:45:02,583 You got your foot in the door before anyone else. 698 00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:06,375 [phone buzzing] 699 00:45:09,583 --> 00:45:11,958 [Sam] Amanda. Hi, it's Sam McAlister. 700 00:45:12,583 --> 00:45:13,625 Please call me. 701 00:45:14,916 --> 00:45:16,958 When you're ready to talk, we're here. 702 00:45:25,375 --> 00:45:26,541 [Amanda sighs] 703 00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:43,000 Her Majesty combing your hair on your last morning at home… 704 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,833 Yes? 705 00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:53,000 [Amanda] You remembering it and talking about it… 706 00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:56,333 Yes? 707 00:45:58,041 --> 00:46:00,041 [Amanda] I think there's a reason for that. 708 00:46:03,625 --> 00:46:05,625 I think you want your future back. 709 00:46:07,833 --> 00:46:08,708 We both do. 710 00:46:13,416 --> 00:46:14,416 Let me help you. 711 00:46:17,166 --> 00:46:20,458 [man on TV] …relationship with Epstein will persist. 712 00:46:21,041 --> 00:46:26,625 Now, of course, the duke, the Palace are desperate to move on from this issue, 713 00:46:26,708 --> 00:46:28,333 but with today's news, 714 00:46:28,416 --> 00:46:32,500 the prospect of that seems further away than ever. 715 00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:35,916 No commitments, no promises. 716 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,166 -[Esme] But? -They've agreed to meet. 717 00:46:39,625 --> 00:46:43,375 Right. This stays in this room, just the four of us. 718 00:46:43,458 --> 00:46:46,541 If it leaks that we're even meeting, they could get spooked. 719 00:46:46,625 --> 00:46:49,333 Sam, whatever you need, it's yours. 720 00:46:49,416 --> 00:46:52,500 Actually, there was one thing. I think it will help a lot. 721 00:46:52,583 --> 00:46:53,416 [Esme] Name it. 722 00:46:54,041 --> 00:46:55,208 Emily. 723 00:46:55,291 --> 00:46:57,166 [upbeat music plays] 724 00:47:03,666 --> 00:47:06,500 I've never been smuggled into a palace before. 725 00:47:12,666 --> 00:47:14,666 [overlapping chatter] 726 00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:17,166 [Stewart] Keep it light. 727 00:47:17,875 --> 00:47:19,791 -[Sam] Mm. -We don't scare him off. 728 00:47:20,958 --> 00:47:22,125 We, uh… we play nice. 729 00:47:23,291 --> 00:47:24,125 Be respectful. 730 00:47:25,375 --> 00:47:26,916 Relax, I've got this. 731 00:47:28,125 --> 00:47:30,416 How difficult can it be talking to the Queen's son 732 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:33,000 about his friendship with a convicted sex offender? 733 00:47:33,083 --> 00:47:34,083 [sighs] 734 00:47:34,166 --> 00:47:35,083 Good morning. 735 00:47:35,708 --> 00:47:36,833 [Andrew] Hello, everyone. 736 00:47:37,833 --> 00:47:40,250 I hope you don't mind, I brought someone along. 737 00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:42,916 -Hello. -You know my daughter Beatrice. 738 00:47:43,833 --> 00:47:44,666 Hello. 739 00:47:46,583 --> 00:47:50,125 [Emily] I can't tell you what the questions will be 740 00:47:50,208 --> 00:47:53,125 because I don't know myself yet. 741 00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:55,916 But when I do know… 742 00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:58,583 I still won't tell you. 743 00:47:58,666 --> 00:47:59,791 [light chuckling] 744 00:48:02,583 --> 00:48:04,791 But… they will be fair. 745 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,500 And no "gotchas," I promise. 746 00:48:11,041 --> 00:48:12,000 "Will be"? 747 00:48:13,958 --> 00:48:16,666 "Would be," I think you mean. 748 00:48:16,750 --> 00:48:18,583 Were we to agree to do this. 749 00:48:19,208 --> 00:48:20,541 And Pitch@Palace? 750 00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:24,875 We'll discuss that, of course. 751 00:48:25,583 --> 00:48:29,416 But… you know as well as I do, 752 00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:31,083 that's not why we're here. 753 00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:34,083 Epstein. 754 00:48:36,291 --> 00:48:37,875 This is about honesty. 755 00:48:39,458 --> 00:48:40,458 On both sides. 756 00:48:47,625 --> 00:48:51,333 If I do an interview, it will only be one. 757 00:48:52,208 --> 00:48:54,125 Uh, the question is, why you? 758 00:48:57,125 --> 00:49:00,625 -[Emily] Stewart? -Well, um, Newsnight is forensic. 759 00:49:01,416 --> 00:49:04,375 Um, it's tough, but never sensational. And so is Emily. 760 00:49:04,958 --> 00:49:07,041 -And she's a woman. -And she's a woman. 761 00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:09,083 And she's here. 762 00:49:09,166 --> 00:49:10,583 [light chuckling] 763 00:49:12,791 --> 00:49:14,375 Um… [sighs deeply] 764 00:49:15,833 --> 00:49:19,708 Look, in my position, 765 00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:24,416 with everything that's been, um… said, 766 00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:27,125 and with the world as it is now, I… 767 00:49:28,416 --> 00:49:31,958 It's hard to imagine how I can turn it around. Frankly. I mean… 768 00:49:32,041 --> 00:49:36,125 I… I have a lot of people telling me it's a mistake even being in this room. 769 00:49:36,958 --> 00:49:38,583 [Sam] And yet here you are. 770 00:49:39,666 --> 00:49:41,416 And I can promise you one thing. 771 00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:44,833 You can't turn it around by staying silent. 772 00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:49,208 You know how people see you, don't you? 773 00:49:52,208 --> 00:49:55,208 Why don't you… spell it out? 774 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,125 Randy Andy. 775 00:50:04,625 --> 00:50:06,291 Air Miles Andy. 776 00:50:06,375 --> 00:50:08,833 This is sex, and girls, 777 00:50:08,916 --> 00:50:12,500 and planes and private islands and money. 778 00:50:12,583 --> 00:50:15,666 And, with respect, the public see these stories, 779 00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:18,000 and they think, "Yep, I can believe that." 780 00:50:19,666 --> 00:50:22,333 This isn't bad for your brand. 781 00:50:23,291 --> 00:50:25,750 This is your brand. 782 00:50:30,666 --> 00:50:31,708 "With respect"? 783 00:50:36,083 --> 00:50:38,166 [laughing] 784 00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:39,125 Well… 785 00:50:39,625 --> 00:50:41,791 Sort of got a point. [laughs] 786 00:50:41,875 --> 00:50:43,125 [Sam] Listen, I get it. 787 00:50:43,208 --> 00:50:47,750 "Never complain, never explain." But I'm afraid those days are over. 788 00:50:47,833 --> 00:50:50,375 Yes, everyone has a voice now. 789 00:50:50,458 --> 00:50:52,458 Social media. Facebook. 790 00:50:52,541 --> 00:50:54,750 Twitter. Everyone's having their say, 791 00:50:55,625 --> 00:50:57,291 and what they're saying about you 792 00:50:58,208 --> 00:51:03,166 is a lot… stronger than anything I just said. 793 00:51:06,166 --> 00:51:09,833 -Have you seen Twitter? -No, I don't, uh, pay attention to that. 794 00:51:09,916 --> 00:51:10,916 [Beatrice] I do. 795 00:51:12,208 --> 00:51:13,958 A lot worse than what she said. 796 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,125 [pensive music builds slowly] 797 00:51:18,208 --> 00:51:20,708 So I'm just saying that's the story, 798 00:51:21,625 --> 00:51:23,208 and it doesn't change 799 00:51:23,291 --> 00:51:25,166 unless you change it, 800 00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:27,541 unless you tell us a different story. 801 00:51:30,666 --> 00:51:32,958 Your story. 802 00:51:33,958 --> 00:51:35,166 In your voice. 803 00:51:44,833 --> 00:51:45,750 [Emily] Sam's right. 804 00:51:47,625 --> 00:51:48,458 I mean, 805 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:52,208 I might not have said it quite so bluntly, but… 806 00:51:54,958 --> 00:51:56,291 [Andrew] Well… [sighs] 807 00:51:56,375 --> 00:52:00,250 I don't understand why everyone's obsessed with my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. 808 00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:02,583 I knew Jimmy Savile so much better. 809 00:52:03,166 --> 00:52:05,625 [laughs] Um… 810 00:52:06,458 --> 00:52:08,750 Thank you very much. Very nice to meet you. 811 00:52:08,833 --> 00:52:13,333 Um, should we pop up and say hello to Mummy before the Commonwealth banquet? 812 00:52:13,833 --> 00:52:14,875 Never ends, does it? 813 00:52:14,958 --> 00:52:17,583 Um, Amanda will be in touch, one way or another. 814 00:52:21,458 --> 00:52:24,333 -[Emily] Her mummy or his mummy? -[Sam] Fergie's not here. 815 00:52:24,416 --> 00:52:25,333 She's abroad. 816 00:52:26,583 --> 00:52:29,208 -So his mummy. -Okay, wow. Bloody hell. 817 00:52:30,416 --> 00:52:31,666 Mummy might block it. 818 00:52:32,291 --> 00:52:33,125 Yeah. 819 00:52:34,125 --> 00:52:35,208 Christ, I'm tired. 820 00:52:35,708 --> 00:52:37,500 Pretty punchy in there, Sammy. 821 00:52:38,166 --> 00:52:39,125 Nice work. 822 00:52:41,666 --> 00:52:43,041 [Jason] Conditions, Amanda? 823 00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:46,375 You… You discussed conditions. 824 00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:51,333 I… I didn't agree to anything. 825 00:52:51,416 --> 00:52:53,625 It… It's not like that. 826 00:52:53,708 --> 00:52:54,833 Amanda. 827 00:52:55,833 --> 00:52:57,416 What conditions? 828 00:52:58,041 --> 00:53:04,041 The only thing that matters is that he is given the space to talk to us. 829 00:53:06,083 --> 00:53:07,166 "Us"? 830 00:53:08,416 --> 00:53:09,250 The nation. 831 00:53:09,333 --> 00:53:10,500 Oh my God. 832 00:53:11,916 --> 00:53:14,000 [chuckles, sighs] 833 00:53:14,083 --> 00:53:15,125 I can't do this. 834 00:53:17,458 --> 00:53:18,916 -Mm. -No. 835 00:53:20,541 --> 00:53:21,750 I'm out. 836 00:53:26,166 --> 00:53:27,041 I understand. 837 00:53:30,458 --> 00:53:31,500 [scoffs] 838 00:53:40,375 --> 00:53:42,958 If they agree, and if it happens, 839 00:53:43,041 --> 00:53:44,291 it's 60 minutes. 840 00:53:44,375 --> 00:53:46,875 "If it happens"? What could stop us? 841 00:53:46,958 --> 00:53:49,500 Something high up. This is the royal family and the BBC. 842 00:53:49,583 --> 00:53:52,750 People start talking about the national interest and make no mistake, 843 00:53:53,291 --> 00:53:57,583 if we get this, and we pull it off, it will be front page of every paper. 844 00:53:57,666 --> 00:53:59,958 But if we get it wrong, if we make mistakes, 845 00:54:00,041 --> 00:54:01,708 if we don't get the tone right, 846 00:54:02,208 --> 00:54:04,791 the story won't be him. It'll be us. 847 00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:06,458 No, it won't. 848 00:54:07,583 --> 00:54:08,625 It'll be me. 849 00:54:08,708 --> 00:54:10,458 [pensive music plays] 850 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,500 [footsteps approaching] 851 00:54:26,166 --> 00:54:27,458 [sighs deeply] 852 00:54:30,916 --> 00:54:32,541 She's always right, isn't she? 853 00:54:33,833 --> 00:54:34,666 Always. 854 00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:39,250 What did she say? 855 00:54:43,166 --> 00:54:44,750 She trusts my judgment. 856 00:54:52,791 --> 00:54:54,625 [musical ringtone playing] 857 00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:02,791 [Sam] Great. 858 00:55:12,375 --> 00:55:13,875 Amanda Thirsk called. 859 00:55:14,666 --> 00:55:16,125 Thursday, 2:00 p.m. The Palace. 860 00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:18,125 [all breathing deeply] 861 00:55:18,208 --> 00:55:19,125 We're on. 862 00:55:20,416 --> 00:55:23,333 Got 70 hours. Emily, you're spending them with me. 863 00:55:23,416 --> 00:55:26,791 Stewart, you're producing. Sam, anyone who needs you, gets you. 864 00:55:26,875 --> 00:55:28,041 Yes, is Fran there? 865 00:55:28,958 --> 00:55:30,500 Yes, extremely urgent. 866 00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:35,166 With the director-general? Which opera? 867 00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:37,583 [woman singing opera in distance] 868 00:55:37,666 --> 00:55:38,791 [Fran] When it's done, 869 00:55:38,875 --> 00:55:42,083 nobody sees the cut until the DG and I have seen it. 870 00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:44,583 [opera singing continues] 871 00:55:44,666 --> 00:55:46,166 Lovely to see you both. 872 00:55:52,083 --> 00:55:54,083 Tony's keeping his options open. 873 00:55:54,583 --> 00:55:57,166 Well, it's not over till the fat lady sings. 874 00:55:59,375 --> 00:56:01,416 [Esme] So the question is, 875 00:56:01,916 --> 00:56:04,083 what are we looking for? 876 00:56:04,583 --> 00:56:06,708 A confession? 877 00:56:06,791 --> 00:56:08,916 String of denials? 878 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,166 An apology? 879 00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:13,041 No way he's confessing unless he wants to go to jail, 880 00:56:13,125 --> 00:56:17,541 and we're not settling for an apology, so we go after him hard with the facts. 881 00:56:17,625 --> 00:56:20,458 -Fine. So where do we start? -[Freddy] Mm. 882 00:56:20,541 --> 00:56:24,916 July 15th, 2006. Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein 883 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,750 are at Beatrice's Victorian-themed 18th birthday party. 884 00:56:27,833 --> 00:56:31,000 Epstein wore white with gold buttons and a chestful of medals. 885 00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,708 His Florida home had just been raided by police. 886 00:56:33,791 --> 00:56:36,041 Sorry, that's a lot to take in, in one go. 887 00:56:36,125 --> 00:56:37,875 July 15th, 2006, 888 00:56:37,958 --> 00:56:40,416 Epstein, Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein 889 00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:43,791 are all at Beatrice's Victorian-themed 18th birthday party. 890 00:56:44,291 --> 00:56:47,833 Epstein wore white with gold buttons and a chestful of medals. 891 00:56:48,333 --> 00:56:50,500 His Florida home had just been raided by police. 892 00:56:50,583 --> 00:56:52,625 Sorry, that's a lot to take in, in one go. 893 00:56:52,708 --> 00:56:54,708 [all laughing] 894 00:56:54,791 --> 00:56:57,416 That is fantastic. Nowhere to hide. 895 00:56:58,416 --> 00:57:01,041 [Freddy] Andrew's tried to make it seem his friendship with Ghislaine 896 00:57:01,125 --> 00:57:03,625 was the main reason he spent time with Epstein. 897 00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:07,375 Problem is, it looks like she was absolutely complicit 898 00:57:07,458 --> 00:57:09,583 in so much of what Epstein was doing. 899 00:57:15,208 --> 00:57:18,750 This painting of Clinton… That's the Lewinsky dress. 900 00:57:18,833 --> 00:57:21,041 [Freddy] Yep. Epstein had it on his wall. 901 00:57:24,541 --> 00:57:28,458 There was a life-sized naked doll hanging from a chandelier. 902 00:57:29,166 --> 00:57:30,291 A massage room. 903 00:57:30,916 --> 00:57:32,583 Soap shaped like genitalia. 904 00:57:33,875 --> 00:57:36,625 You couldn't be anywhere near Epstein and not know. 905 00:57:40,208 --> 00:57:43,708 [Sam's mum] You know Lucas can stay here tonight if you have to work. 906 00:57:43,791 --> 00:57:46,166 No, it's fine. They don't need me anyway. 907 00:57:47,375 --> 00:57:48,958 I don't believe that for a second. 908 00:57:50,916 --> 00:57:52,708 Then why didn't they ask me to stay, Mum? 909 00:57:52,791 --> 00:57:56,166 I bring in the interview, and they still don't want me in the room. 910 00:57:56,250 --> 00:57:58,958 Sam, you know how this works. 911 00:57:59,875 --> 00:58:02,000 People like us, we don't wait to be asked. 912 00:58:02,083 --> 00:58:03,750 We do what we have to do. 913 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,125 Did they ask you to go after Prince Andrew? 914 00:58:08,125 --> 00:58:10,583 -No. -No, they didn't. 915 00:58:10,666 --> 00:58:11,500 But you did. 916 00:58:12,250 --> 00:58:13,208 Remember that. 917 00:58:14,583 --> 00:58:16,333 And this interview, 918 00:58:17,708 --> 00:58:18,625 does it matter? 919 00:58:21,458 --> 00:58:22,750 Yeah, it matters. 920 00:58:23,833 --> 00:58:25,208 Well, there you go, then. 921 00:58:25,291 --> 00:58:27,291 [footsteps in lobby] 922 00:58:31,208 --> 00:58:32,833 Love you, Mum. [chuckles softly] 923 00:58:32,916 --> 00:58:34,583 I love you too, sweetheart. 924 00:58:36,375 --> 00:58:37,291 [sniffs] 925 00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:42,500 [gentle music builds slowly] 926 00:59:13,375 --> 00:59:14,875 [sighs deeply] 927 00:59:19,041 --> 00:59:21,041 [musical ringtone playing] 928 00:59:24,875 --> 00:59:25,708 Hello. 929 00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:27,833 [Amanda] Sam. Uh… 930 00:59:29,666 --> 00:59:31,125 I hope it's not too early. 931 00:59:32,583 --> 00:59:36,916 [Esme] And the 29th. And you've got, what, everything from the 17th of June? 932 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000 [Freddy] That's right. 933 00:59:38,083 --> 00:59:40,208 -Can you put those on a memory stick? -Yeah. 934 00:59:40,291 --> 00:59:41,291 [Sam] Amanda called. 935 00:59:44,083 --> 00:59:45,500 Is she pulling the plug? 936 00:59:47,708 --> 00:59:48,875 South Drawing Room. 937 00:59:49,666 --> 00:59:52,291 Two chairs in the middle of the floor. Six feet apart. 938 00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:54,708 It's like a western. 939 00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:57,791 Like a gunfight in a western. 940 00:59:57,875 --> 01:00:00,250 [tense music builds slowly] 941 01:00:06,583 --> 01:00:07,958 -Right. -Huh. 942 01:00:08,708 --> 01:00:09,875 All set? 943 01:00:11,083 --> 01:00:11,916 [Esme] Emily. 944 01:00:12,666 --> 01:00:13,541 What's wrong? 945 01:00:15,166 --> 01:00:17,625 What if he just apologizes? 946 01:00:17,708 --> 01:00:21,166 What if I lay out all the facts, 947 01:00:21,250 --> 01:00:25,625 he doesn't admit to anything, but he does say sorry? 948 01:00:28,291 --> 01:00:30,125 What if he's good, Esme? 949 01:00:30,208 --> 01:00:31,958 Then it'll be great television. 950 01:00:32,625 --> 01:00:34,333 Well, that's not why I'm doing it. 951 01:00:34,833 --> 01:00:36,208 Well, why are you doing it? 952 01:00:40,208 --> 01:00:41,208 Monica Lewinsky. 953 01:00:42,541 --> 01:00:46,125 I feel like I let women down by not asking Clinton about her. 954 01:00:46,208 --> 01:00:49,541 Sex with that woman was actually consensual. 955 01:00:49,625 --> 01:00:52,958 She was 21. He was the president of the United States. 956 01:00:53,666 --> 01:00:57,291 He got his life back. She got decades of vicious misogyny. 957 01:00:59,166 --> 01:01:00,000 You push. 958 01:01:00,083 --> 01:01:01,000 What? 959 01:01:01,083 --> 01:01:04,500 If he's good, if he's saying sorry for what these girls went through, 960 01:01:04,583 --> 01:01:08,458 then… lean in and ask him if he feels responsible as well as sorry. 961 01:01:08,541 --> 01:01:09,583 [Emily] What if he says no? 962 01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:12,583 Push again, with the photograph. Show him the picture. Here. 963 01:01:15,041 --> 01:01:15,958 Here. 964 01:01:19,958 --> 01:01:22,916 But this photograph… is you. 965 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,583 I don't believe I was ever there, 966 01:01:26,458 --> 01:01:29,458 that I ever even went upstairs in that house. 967 01:01:29,541 --> 01:01:32,833 Um… You don't recollect, Your Royal Highness. 968 01:01:33,583 --> 01:01:34,583 Yes, of course. 969 01:01:34,666 --> 01:01:36,750 So… it's a fake? 970 01:01:36,833 --> 01:01:38,208 [Andrew] As I say, 971 01:01:38,291 --> 01:01:41,958 I have no recollection of ever having been there 972 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,625 or even meeting that woman. 973 01:01:44,708 --> 01:01:48,208 Ms. Roberts. Please don't ever say "that woman." 974 01:01:48,291 --> 01:01:49,125 Ever. 975 01:01:49,208 --> 01:01:51,750 -Oh, for heaven's sake. -I understand this is difficult. 976 01:01:51,833 --> 01:01:53,250 And, of course, 977 01:01:53,333 --> 01:01:56,583 you couldn't have been there on that date, correct? 978 01:01:58,291 --> 01:01:59,166 Hm. 979 01:01:59,833 --> 01:02:03,708 You have denied, many times, 980 01:02:03,791 --> 01:02:07,583 having even met Virginia Giuffre. 981 01:02:07,666 --> 01:02:12,625 You have denied her extremely serious allegations 982 01:02:12,708 --> 01:02:16,041 that she was forced to have sex with you 983 01:02:16,125 --> 01:02:19,833 when she was just 17 years old. 984 01:02:19,916 --> 01:02:22,250 Now, either this happened 985 01:02:23,625 --> 01:02:25,125 or she's lying. 986 01:02:25,208 --> 01:02:26,333 Which is it? 987 01:02:27,833 --> 01:02:28,750 [exhales] 988 01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:31,958 Bingo. Brilliant. 989 01:02:32,958 --> 01:02:33,791 We got him. 990 01:02:45,375 --> 01:02:46,208 Sam. 991 01:02:48,083 --> 01:02:48,916 Tell me. 992 01:02:50,875 --> 01:02:51,750 Nothing. 993 01:02:52,416 --> 01:02:53,291 Tell me. 994 01:02:54,875 --> 01:02:56,583 I'm going in there. You're not. 995 01:02:56,666 --> 01:02:59,041 If you have something to say, I want to hear it. 996 01:02:59,625 --> 01:03:01,375 [inhales deeply, sighs] 997 01:03:01,458 --> 01:03:05,666 It's just we offered him… space and time. 998 01:03:06,625 --> 01:03:08,666 We offered him an interview. 999 01:03:10,416 --> 01:03:13,583 Men like that hate it when they're not heard. 1000 01:03:13,666 --> 01:03:15,125 He'll want to be heard. 1001 01:03:25,708 --> 01:03:29,750 So the really big question… is what do I wear? 1002 01:03:29,833 --> 01:03:30,708 [laughter] 1003 01:03:30,791 --> 01:03:31,958 Black dress. 1004 01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:34,541 Simple, elegant. 1005 01:03:34,625 --> 01:03:35,750 Hepburn/Maitlis. 1006 01:03:36,625 --> 01:03:37,666 My knees. 1007 01:03:38,416 --> 01:03:39,958 You've got the best knees on TV. 1008 01:03:40,041 --> 01:03:42,083 I don't want people looking at my knees. 1009 01:03:42,166 --> 01:03:45,416 You don't want him looking at your knees. Actually, we do want him looking. 1010 01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:47,458 -That would be good TV. -[chuckling] 1011 01:03:47,541 --> 01:03:49,166 [exhales deeply] 1012 01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:53,125 [Esme] Emily? 1013 01:03:55,875 --> 01:03:56,833 Go home. 1014 01:03:57,500 --> 01:03:59,500 I want you raring to go in the morning. 1015 01:04:07,458 --> 01:04:08,750 [Emily] 2006. 1016 01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:13,125 Epstein was convicted of trafficking girls as young as 14. 1017 01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:18,250 Yet you continued relations with him for another four years. 1018 01:04:18,958 --> 01:04:20,333 And yet you… 1019 01:04:20,416 --> 01:04:25,625 and yet you continued your friendship with him until 2010. 1020 01:04:25,708 --> 01:04:27,708 [tense music plays softly] 1021 01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:31,833 [panting] And yet you continued… 1022 01:04:32,333 --> 01:04:33,333 -[dog barks] -Moody! 1023 01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:40,541 [tense music builds slowly] 1024 01:04:54,166 --> 01:04:58,500 That's great. Yeah, just in this room. All right. Through there. 1025 01:04:59,416 --> 01:05:00,958 Moody! 1026 01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:05,375 -ID, please, miss. -Yeah, um… 1027 01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:09,000 She's with me. 1028 01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:10,375 Thanks! 1029 01:05:12,625 --> 01:05:13,458 Thanks. 1030 01:05:20,375 --> 01:05:21,208 [sighs] 1031 01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:28,833 You chase them, you'll never catch them. 1032 01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:32,208 And then when they're ready to come, you won't be there. 1033 01:05:39,125 --> 01:05:42,750 He might walk out. If Emily's doing to him what I think, it's a strong possibility. 1034 01:05:42,833 --> 01:05:44,458 If he does, film it. 1035 01:05:44,541 --> 01:05:47,750 -Whatever he does, do not stop filming. -Stewart. 1036 01:05:49,208 --> 01:05:50,458 -Right. -Um… 1037 01:05:54,458 --> 01:05:55,666 Your Royal Highness. 1038 01:06:23,708 --> 01:06:25,000 [Andrew] Sure about this? 1039 01:06:26,208 --> 01:06:27,250 Little bit, um… 1040 01:06:28,125 --> 01:06:30,250 [woman] A bit of powder, Your Royal Highness? 1041 01:06:30,333 --> 01:06:31,875 -Sure. What's your name? -Cat. 1042 01:06:31,958 --> 01:06:33,375 -Okay? First question. -Yeah. 1043 01:06:33,458 --> 01:06:37,000 I want it to set the tone. Straight in. "Jeffrey Epstein was a child abuser." 1044 01:06:37,083 --> 01:06:40,041 "You knew that when you went to stay with him, didn't you?" 1045 01:06:40,125 --> 01:06:42,875 Only one answer to that. Already he's got nowhere to go. 1046 01:06:42,958 --> 01:06:45,625 [Andrew] No, this needs to be on the other side. 1047 01:06:45,708 --> 01:06:48,625 It's going through the opposite edge of the chair. 1048 01:06:48,708 --> 01:06:50,458 That way, it won't stick out. 1049 01:06:51,208 --> 01:06:52,375 -Oh God. -No, wait. 1050 01:06:53,791 --> 01:06:56,458 Let him be. We want him to be comfortable. 1051 01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:01,583 Trousers. 1052 01:07:05,833 --> 01:07:06,791 [chuckles] 1053 01:07:10,625 --> 01:07:12,625 [bell ringing] 1054 01:07:12,708 --> 01:07:13,916 [Andrew grunts] 1055 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,000 [stark, pensive music plays] 1056 01:07:24,375 --> 01:07:25,666 Just, uh… 1057 01:07:27,541 --> 01:07:30,083 Just… be yourself. 1058 01:07:37,208 --> 01:07:38,250 [Sam clears throat] 1059 01:07:41,166 --> 01:07:42,458 [Sam] That's not great. 1060 01:07:42,958 --> 01:07:46,333 Donal McCabe. He's from the Queen's press office. 1061 01:07:46,416 --> 01:07:48,416 [Stewart] We didn't agree to that, did we? 1062 01:07:48,916 --> 01:07:50,041 [Sam] With the Queen? 1063 01:07:50,833 --> 01:07:53,166 No. But by all means, take it up with her. 1064 01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:54,375 [chuckles lightly] 1065 01:07:59,416 --> 01:08:00,500 [woman] Sound speed. 1066 01:08:03,250 --> 01:08:05,250 [clock ticking] 1067 01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:08,833 [man] Set. 1068 01:08:10,125 --> 01:08:11,625 Your Royal Highness. 1069 01:08:12,666 --> 01:08:15,583 We've come to Buckingham Palace 1070 01:08:15,666 --> 01:08:19,416 in highly unusual circumstances. 1071 01:08:20,291 --> 01:08:22,250 Normally, we'd be discussing your work… 1072 01:08:22,333 --> 01:08:23,583 -[Andrew] Mm. -…your duty. 1073 01:08:23,666 --> 01:08:24,833 We'll come on to that. 1074 01:08:25,375 --> 01:08:26,375 But today, 1075 01:08:27,125 --> 01:08:30,250 you've chosen to speak out for the first time. 1076 01:08:31,125 --> 01:08:34,375 Why have you decided to talk now? 1077 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,375 Because there is no good time 1078 01:08:41,958 --> 01:08:45,541 to talk about, um… Mr. Epstein 1079 01:08:45,625 --> 01:08:48,125 and all things associated. 1080 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,250 And we've been talking to Newsnight for some time 1081 01:08:52,333 --> 01:08:56,500 about, um, doing something around the work that I was doing. 1082 01:08:56,583 --> 01:08:58,750 And unfortunately, we've just not been able 1083 01:08:58,833 --> 01:09:03,333 to fit into either your schedule or my schedule until now… now. 1084 01:09:03,416 --> 01:09:08,583 Actually, it's a very good opportunity. I'm delighted to be able to see you today. 1085 01:09:09,541 --> 01:09:10,583 As you say, 1086 01:09:11,875 --> 01:09:15,500 it all goes back to your friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. 1087 01:09:15,583 --> 01:09:16,625 Hmm. 1088 01:09:17,583 --> 01:09:20,333 How did you first become friends? 1089 01:09:20,416 --> 01:09:21,750 How did you meet? 1090 01:09:21,833 --> 01:09:25,500 Well, I met through his girlfriend. 1091 01:09:25,583 --> 01:09:26,416 Um… 1092 01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:27,958 Back in 1999. 1093 01:09:28,041 --> 01:09:30,666 [whispers] It's too open. It's too easy. 1094 01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:33,375 [Andrew] I'd known Ghislaine since university. In the UK. 1095 01:09:34,041 --> 01:09:37,500 And, um, I didn't spend much time… 1096 01:09:38,916 --> 01:09:43,958 I suppose I saw him once or twice a year, perhaps maximum three times a year, 1097 01:09:44,041 --> 01:09:50,083 and… quite often, um, if I was in the United States and doing things, 1098 01:09:50,166 --> 01:09:52,541 and he wasn't there, he'd say, 1099 01:09:53,041 --> 01:09:56,000 "Why don't you come and use my houses?" 1100 01:09:56,083 --> 01:09:58,166 And I said, "Thank you very much indeed." 1101 01:09:58,250 --> 01:10:04,250 But it would be… a considerable stretch to say that we were very close friends. 1102 01:10:04,333 --> 01:10:06,833 But he had the most extraordinary ability 1103 01:10:06,916 --> 01:10:11,583 to, um… to bring… extraordinary people together. 1104 01:10:11,666 --> 01:10:14,041 And that's the bit that I remember. 1105 01:10:14,125 --> 01:10:17,541 It's going to dinner parties where you would meet… 1106 01:10:17,625 --> 01:10:18,500 What's she doing? 1107 01:10:18,583 --> 01:10:20,833 …academics, politicians… 1108 01:10:20,916 --> 01:10:22,625 She's letting him talk. 1109 01:10:22,708 --> 01:10:26,000 [Andrew] It was a cosmopolitan group of what I would call-- 1110 01:10:26,083 --> 01:10:27,416 Did you trust him? 1111 01:10:30,375 --> 01:10:31,416 [hesitates] Um… 1112 01:10:31,500 --> 01:10:33,125 Yes, I think I probably did, 1113 01:10:33,208 --> 01:10:34,750 but, um… 1114 01:10:36,250 --> 01:10:40,625 Obviously, I don't go into… um, a friendship 1115 01:10:41,166 --> 01:10:45,375 looking for the… the wrong thing, if you understand what I mean. 1116 01:10:45,458 --> 01:10:47,458 I… I'm an engaging person. 1117 01:10:47,541 --> 01:10:50,000 I want to be able to engage. 1118 01:10:50,083 --> 01:10:53,916 Am I right in thinking you threw a birthday party 1119 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,916 for Epstein's girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, at Sandringham? 1120 01:10:59,583 --> 01:11:02,500 No, it was a shooting weekend. 1121 01:11:02,583 --> 01:11:03,583 A shooting weekend? 1122 01:11:03,666 --> 01:11:06,916 Yes, just a straightforward… straightforward shooting weekend. 1123 01:11:08,708 --> 01:11:14,166 But during these times that he was a guest at Windsor Castle, 1124 01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:16,666 at Sandringham, this shooting weekend… 1125 01:11:16,750 --> 01:11:17,750 Yep. 1126 01:11:17,833 --> 01:11:21,583 We now know… that he had been 1127 01:11:22,125 --> 01:11:26,416 procuring young girls… for sex trafficking. 1128 01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:34,541 We now know that. 1129 01:11:36,041 --> 01:11:37,208 At the time, 1130 01:11:38,125 --> 01:11:40,125 there was no indication, 1131 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,583 to me… or anybody else, 1132 01:11:44,666 --> 01:11:47,833 that that's what he was doing. 1133 01:11:48,708 --> 01:11:50,958 Absolutely no indication. 1134 01:11:51,041 --> 01:11:52,333 -[knocking] -[inhales] 1135 01:11:52,416 --> 01:11:54,125 Flight logs for Epstein's jet. 1136 01:11:54,208 --> 01:11:56,541 The, uh, quote "Lolita Express." 1137 01:11:57,458 --> 01:12:00,333 PA, Prince Andrew, is a frequent flyer. 1138 01:12:00,416 --> 01:12:01,958 So is BC, Bill, 1139 01:12:02,041 --> 01:12:03,833 and GM, Ghislaine Maxwell. 1140 01:12:04,458 --> 01:12:07,375 Princes, presidents, and females. 1141 01:12:08,541 --> 01:12:09,875 The girls don't get named. 1142 01:12:11,125 --> 01:12:14,625 Just so our ducks are in a row when all of Fleet Street comes knocking. 1143 01:12:16,125 --> 01:12:19,708 Just for the record, you've been on his private plane. 1144 01:12:20,375 --> 01:12:21,208 Yes. 1145 01:12:21,708 --> 01:12:24,750 You've been to stay on his private island. 1146 01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:26,083 Yes. 1147 01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:29,750 You've stayed at his home in Palm Beach. 1148 01:12:30,291 --> 01:12:31,125 Yes. 1149 01:12:31,208 --> 01:12:34,708 So, in 2006, in May, 1150 01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:38,875 an arrest warrant was issued for Epstein 1151 01:12:38,958 --> 01:12:41,750 for sexual assault of a minor. 1152 01:12:41,833 --> 01:12:42,833 Yes. 1153 01:12:42,916 --> 01:12:47,458 He was released in July of 2010. 1154 01:12:47,541 --> 01:12:48,916 And within months, 1155 01:12:49,541 --> 01:12:52,541 you went to stay with him at his New York mansion. 1156 01:12:56,041 --> 01:12:56,875 Why? 1157 01:12:57,708 --> 01:13:01,750 Why were you staying with a convicted sex offender? 1158 01:13:04,791 --> 01:13:09,791 Now, I went to see him with the sole purpose of saying to him 1159 01:13:09,875 --> 01:13:14,625 that because he had been convicted, 1160 01:13:15,416 --> 01:13:20,500 it was inappropriate that we should be seen together. 1161 01:13:20,583 --> 01:13:25,125 I felt that doing it over the telephone was the chicken's way of doing it. 1162 01:13:25,208 --> 01:13:27,625 I had to go and see him and talk to him. 1163 01:13:28,458 --> 01:13:31,708 I went to see him. We had an opportunity to go for a walk in the park, 1164 01:13:31,791 --> 01:13:35,208 and that was the… uh, conversation, 1165 01:13:35,291 --> 01:13:36,750 coincidentally, 1166 01:13:36,833 --> 01:13:38,958 that was photographed. 1167 01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:45,958 When I… I said to him, I said, "Look, because of what has… happened, 1168 01:13:47,208 --> 01:13:52,708 I don't think it is appropriate for us to remain in contact." 1169 01:13:53,375 --> 01:13:54,916 And by mutual decision, 1170 01:13:55,416 --> 01:13:58,458 we agreed to part company, and I left. 1171 01:13:58,541 --> 01:14:02,958 He threw a party to celebrate his release, 1172 01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:06,458 and you were invited as a guest of honor. 1173 01:14:06,541 --> 01:14:07,625 No, I didn't go. 1174 01:14:11,125 --> 01:14:12,541 Oh, in 2010. 1175 01:14:13,333 --> 01:14:17,083 There… Well, there… There certainly wasn't a… a party 1176 01:14:17,166 --> 01:14:23,708 to celebrate his release in… December, because it was only a small dinner party. 1177 01:14:23,791 --> 01:14:26,208 There were only eight or ten of us at the dinner. 1178 01:14:26,291 --> 01:14:28,250 If there was a… a party, 1179 01:14:28,333 --> 01:14:29,916 then I know nothing about that. 1180 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,041 You were invited to that dinner 1181 01:14:32,791 --> 01:14:34,041 as a guest of honor. 1182 01:14:35,166 --> 01:14:39,166 I was there, so I was at the dinner. I don't think it was as you might put it, 1183 01:14:39,250 --> 01:14:41,708 but, okay, I was there. I was there at a dinner. 1184 01:14:41,791 --> 01:14:43,333 I'm just trying to work this out 1185 01:14:43,416 --> 01:14:46,666 because you said you went to break up the relationship, 1186 01:14:46,750 --> 01:14:51,750 and yet you stayed at that New York mansion several days. 1187 01:14:51,833 --> 01:14:53,166 I'm wondering how long-- 1188 01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:55,583 I was doing a number of other things while I was there. 1189 01:14:55,666 --> 01:14:58,583 But you were staying at the house of a convicted sex offender. 1190 01:14:58,666 --> 01:15:00,708 It was a convenient place to stay. 1191 01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:04,750 [brooding music plays softly] 1192 01:15:12,708 --> 01:15:14,416 So I've spoken to Panorama. 1193 01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:17,625 Virginia Roberts says the original photo was printed and date stamped 1194 01:15:17,708 --> 01:15:19,416 two days after it was taken, 1195 01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:22,500 and we have an affidavit from a witness in 2001 1196 01:15:22,583 --> 01:15:24,375 who saw the photo at the time. 1197 01:15:25,916 --> 01:15:27,458 -Freddy? -Yeah? 1198 01:15:27,541 --> 01:15:28,458 Thank you. 1199 01:15:28,541 --> 01:15:29,416 Yeah. 1200 01:15:30,916 --> 01:15:33,708 [Emily] One of Epstein's accusers, 1201 01:15:33,791 --> 01:15:35,000 Virginia Roberts, 1202 01:15:35,708 --> 01:15:39,125 made allegations against you. 1203 01:15:39,208 --> 01:15:41,916 In a legal deposition, 1204 01:15:42,833 --> 01:15:47,875 she said she had sex with you three times. 1205 01:15:48,750 --> 01:15:51,166 Once in a London house 1206 01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:55,333 when she was trafficked to you in Maxwell's house. 1207 01:15:55,416 --> 01:15:56,250 [softly] Uh... 1208 01:15:56,333 --> 01:15:59,458 Once… in New York 1209 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,958 a month or so later in Epstein's mansion, 1210 01:16:04,041 --> 01:16:06,791 and once on his private island, 1211 01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:11,625 in a group of seven or eight other girls. 1212 01:16:14,875 --> 01:16:16,166 No. [scoffs] 1213 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,375 No to all of it? 1214 01:16:19,458 --> 01:16:20,291 All of it. 1215 01:16:20,875 --> 01:16:25,250 Absolutely no to all of it. 1216 01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:30,125 Are you saying you don't believe her? 1217 01:16:30,666 --> 01:16:31,833 She's lying? 1218 01:16:36,041 --> 01:16:40,541 That's a difficult thing for me to, um… answer 1219 01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:43,833 because I don't know 1220 01:16:44,666 --> 01:16:48,208 what she's, um, trying to achieve. 1221 01:16:48,291 --> 01:16:50,166 But I can tell you… 1222 01:16:51,208 --> 01:16:53,333 uh… categorically, 1223 01:16:54,458 --> 01:16:57,458 I don't remember meeting her at all. 1224 01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:01,750 I do not remember a photograph being taken, 1225 01:17:02,250 --> 01:17:03,416 and I've said, 1226 01:17:04,041 --> 01:17:07,375 consistently and, um… 1227 01:17:08,291 --> 01:17:09,416 frequently, 1228 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,250 that we never had any sort of sexual contact whatever. 1229 01:17:17,041 --> 01:17:21,791 She says she met you in 2001. 1230 01:17:23,041 --> 01:17:25,041 She says she dined with you, 1231 01:17:25,833 --> 01:17:27,458 danced with you. 1232 01:17:27,541 --> 01:17:29,125 You bought her drinks 1233 01:17:29,875 --> 01:17:32,250 at Tramp nightclub in London. 1234 01:17:32,333 --> 01:17:35,375 There's a number of things wrong with that story. One of which is that… 1235 01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:42,833 I don't know where the bar is in Tramps. 1236 01:17:44,416 --> 01:17:45,291 Um… 1237 01:17:46,041 --> 01:17:47,666 Um, I don't drink. 1238 01:17:49,541 --> 01:17:56,125 Um, I… I don't think I've ever bought a drink in Tramps whenever I was there. 1239 01:17:56,208 --> 01:17:58,416 Do you remember dancing with her? 1240 01:17:59,333 --> 01:18:03,291 No, that couldn't have happened because on that particular date, 1241 01:18:03,375 --> 01:18:06,083 I was, um, at home. I was with the children. 1242 01:18:06,166 --> 01:18:11,083 And I had taken Beatrice to a Pizza Express in Woking 1243 01:18:11,666 --> 01:18:16,666 for a party, I think… round about 4:00, 5:00 in the afternoon. 1244 01:18:16,750 --> 01:18:19,916 Why would you remember that so specifically? 1245 01:18:21,416 --> 01:18:25,166 Because going to Pizza Express in Woking 1246 01:18:26,041 --> 01:18:28,625 is an unusual thing for me to do. 1247 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,083 A very unusual thing for me to do. 1248 01:18:35,875 --> 01:18:37,333 Uh, stop. Um… 1249 01:18:37,833 --> 01:18:38,708 Can… Can we? 1250 01:18:39,416 --> 01:18:41,958 Please, um, I would like to go back. 1251 01:18:42,041 --> 01:18:45,750 I would like to make a… a specific reference to the date. 1252 01:18:45,833 --> 01:18:46,791 March the 10th. 1253 01:18:46,875 --> 01:18:49,125 I think it's perfectly clear. Do we need that? 1254 01:18:49,208 --> 01:18:51,250 I think we're rolling well, don't you, Emily? 1255 01:18:53,291 --> 01:18:54,208 -No? -No. 1256 01:18:58,125 --> 01:18:59,083 [scoffs] 1257 01:19:03,208 --> 01:19:07,833 -She was very specific about that night. -Mm-hmm. 1258 01:19:07,916 --> 01:19:10,583 She described dancing with you. 1259 01:19:10,666 --> 01:19:13,041 -No. -And you profusely sweating. 1260 01:19:13,125 --> 01:19:14,083 [scoffs] 1261 01:19:15,541 --> 01:19:20,041 Um, there's a… there's a, um… a slight problem with the sweating. 1262 01:19:20,125 --> 01:19:24,833 But… because I have, um, a… peculiar condition, 1263 01:19:24,916 --> 01:19:28,250 which is that I don't sweat, or rather I didn't sweat at the time. 1264 01:19:28,333 --> 01:19:30,500 And that would, um… Oh, actually… 1265 01:19:30,583 --> 01:19:33,083 Yes, I didn't sweat at the time, 1266 01:19:33,166 --> 01:19:34,916 and that's because I suffered 1267 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,291 what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War 1268 01:19:40,375 --> 01:19:42,666 when I was shot at, and I simply, um… 1269 01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:46,708 it… it… it was almost impossible for me to… to… to sweat. 1270 01:19:53,458 --> 01:19:54,541 I wonder 1271 01:19:56,333 --> 01:19:59,041 if you have any sense of 1272 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,708 guilt, regret, or shame 1273 01:20:06,041 --> 01:20:08,625 about any of your behavior 1274 01:20:09,250 --> 01:20:11,500 in your friendship with Epstein. 1275 01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:17,500 On balance… 1276 01:20:19,875 --> 01:20:24,000 could I have avoided… ever meeting him? 1277 01:20:25,041 --> 01:20:25,875 Mm… 1278 01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:28,000 I don't think so, 1279 01:20:28,541 --> 01:20:32,000 and that's because of my friendship with Ghislaine. 1280 01:20:34,833 --> 01:20:38,000 [sighs through lips] Do I regret the fact 1281 01:20:38,083 --> 01:20:44,000 that he's quite obviously, uh, conducted himself in a manner unbecoming… 1282 01:20:44,083 --> 01:20:47,208 [Emily] "Unbecoming"? He was a sex offender. 1283 01:20:47,291 --> 01:20:49,250 Yes, I'm sorry. I… I was being polite. 1284 01:20:49,333 --> 01:20:52,833 I mean, in the sense that he was a sex offender. But, no, um… 1285 01:20:53,958 --> 01:20:57,583 Was I right in having him as a friend? 1286 01:20:58,583 --> 01:20:59,500 Um… 1287 01:21:00,833 --> 01:21:01,833 At the time, 1288 01:21:02,958 --> 01:21:08,583 bearing in mind this was some years before he was accused of being a sex offender, 1289 01:21:10,708 --> 01:21:14,875 I don't think there was anything wrong… then. 1290 01:21:16,333 --> 01:21:23,125 The problem was, after the fact, that after he had been convicted… 1291 01:21:23,208 --> 01:21:25,041 -You stayed with him. -I stayed with him. 1292 01:21:25,125 --> 01:21:28,083 And that's the bit that, um, as it were, 1293 01:21:28,166 --> 01:21:30,583 I kick myself for on a daily basis. [chuckles] 1294 01:21:30,666 --> 01:21:34,833 Because that… it was… it was not, um, becoming of a member of the royal family, 1295 01:21:34,916 --> 01:21:39,000 and we… we try to uphold the highest standards and practices, 1296 01:21:39,083 --> 01:21:41,916 and I… I let the side down, simple as that. 1297 01:21:53,541 --> 01:21:55,541 -[music fades] -[clock ticking] 1298 01:21:59,250 --> 01:22:04,958 Is there anything you feel has been left unsaid 1299 01:22:05,583 --> 01:22:07,541 that you would like to say now? 1300 01:22:10,916 --> 01:22:12,041 No, I don't think so. 1301 01:22:13,166 --> 01:22:17,875 You probably dragged out of me most of what's required. 1302 01:22:17,958 --> 01:22:19,958 [breathes deeply] 1303 01:22:21,333 --> 01:22:22,958 [tense music playing] 1304 01:22:23,041 --> 01:22:25,125 [camera whirring] 1305 01:22:25,208 --> 01:22:26,250 [exhales deeply] 1306 01:22:26,916 --> 01:22:27,833 I'm gonna go. 1307 01:22:29,625 --> 01:22:32,458 I have a biker downstairs. The memory cards. Both copies… 1308 01:22:32,541 --> 01:22:34,583 Now, would you all like a tour? 1309 01:22:34,666 --> 01:22:35,583 Some stills? 1310 01:22:36,208 --> 01:22:39,666 Ah. Yes, of course. Um… Tell you what, two birds, one stone. 1311 01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:42,041 You take your snaps while I show Emily around. 1312 01:22:42,125 --> 01:22:44,125 [unsettling music intensifies] 1313 01:22:46,083 --> 01:22:48,083 [soundscape distorts eerily] 1314 01:23:00,875 --> 01:23:02,541 [distorted] Wasn't he wonderful? 1315 01:23:04,458 --> 01:23:05,583 [softly] Wonderful. 1316 01:23:09,041 --> 01:23:10,375 [music fades] 1317 01:23:10,458 --> 01:23:11,833 [sighs] 1318 01:23:11,916 --> 01:23:13,791 [tense music builds] 1319 01:23:24,208 --> 01:23:26,333 -[chattering indistinctly] -[camera clicks] 1320 01:23:35,666 --> 01:23:37,250 [music fades out] 1321 01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:39,500 You know, I thought that all went very well. 1322 01:23:41,458 --> 01:23:43,083 Like a walk in the park. 1323 01:23:49,916 --> 01:23:51,916 [pensive music plays] 1324 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,041 [clattering] 1325 01:23:59,250 --> 01:24:00,791 Expecting a car, madam? 1326 01:24:00,875 --> 01:24:03,250 Uh… Uh, no. Thank you. 1327 01:24:03,333 --> 01:24:05,750 Um… I think I'm going to walk. 1328 01:24:05,833 --> 01:24:06,791 But thank you. 1329 01:24:18,666 --> 01:24:20,750 -I think I might be sick. -[both chuckle] 1330 01:24:45,708 --> 01:24:46,958 Emily. That was… 1331 01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:49,041 [breathes deeply] 1332 01:24:49,125 --> 01:24:52,041 That was him… right there. You did it. 1333 01:24:54,041 --> 01:24:54,875 We did it. 1334 01:24:57,250 --> 01:24:58,458 Thanks, Sammy. 1335 01:25:01,333 --> 01:25:03,875 [pensive music continues] 1336 01:25:09,166 --> 01:25:10,458 [Stewart] How are we doing? 1337 01:25:10,541 --> 01:25:12,791 Twitter teasers are nearly ready. When do we go live? 1338 01:25:12,875 --> 01:25:15,125 [Stewart] I'm gonna talk to the DG about that now. 1339 01:25:22,208 --> 01:25:23,083 [chuckles softly] 1340 01:25:24,625 --> 01:25:28,500 She had her man in the room when you shot the interview. He recorded it. Yes? 1341 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,916 Could she stop it going out, Tony? 1342 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,875 Well, she is the Queen. I mean, I'd have to take the call. 1343 01:25:34,958 --> 01:25:37,541 We want to trail it on Friday night after the show, live. 1344 01:25:37,625 --> 01:25:38,875 With Emily? 1345 01:25:38,958 --> 01:25:41,208 Of course. With teasers on socials afterwards. 1346 01:25:41,291 --> 01:25:44,083 [Tony] I'll tell the Palace we're broadcasting on Saturday night. 1347 01:25:44,166 --> 01:25:45,666 Wait for me to get back to you. 1348 01:25:51,458 --> 01:25:52,875 [doors opening] 1349 01:26:00,333 --> 01:26:01,166 How long? 1350 01:26:01,666 --> 01:26:02,500 Fifteen minutes. 1351 01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:05,708 [Emily] I guess no news is good news. 1352 01:26:06,291 --> 01:26:07,125 Oh… 1353 01:26:11,416 --> 01:26:12,416 -Tony? -Esme, hi. 1354 01:26:16,791 --> 01:26:18,958 Pull the trigger. We're on. 1355 01:26:20,041 --> 01:26:23,208 Tomorrow night, in a Newsnight special program, 1356 01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:29,250 we will hear for the first time from the duke himself. 1357 01:26:29,833 --> 01:26:31,666 In an unprecedented interview, 1358 01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:35,958 he speaks to us at length about his friendship with Epstein 1359 01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:38,625 and the claims made against him. 1360 01:26:39,333 --> 01:26:42,666 Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, 1361 01:26:43,333 --> 01:26:48,333 has long faced questions about his ties to the financier Jeffrey Epstein, 1362 01:26:48,958 --> 01:26:51,166 who took his life earlier this year 1363 01:26:51,250 --> 01:26:53,333 while awaiting trial on sex… 1364 01:26:53,416 --> 01:26:55,375 [gentle anticipative music builds slowly] 1365 01:26:55,458 --> 01:26:57,458 [notification alerts chime faintly] 1366 01:27:07,583 --> 01:27:09,500 [phone buzzes] 1367 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,708 [music trails off] 1368 01:27:47,416 --> 01:27:50,375 -Where does this bloody dust come from? -I know, sir. 1369 01:27:53,625 --> 01:27:55,083 [elevator dings] 1370 01:27:55,166 --> 01:27:59,083 [Amanda] "For the prince, the whole nerve-shredding exercise is designed 1371 01:27:59,166 --> 01:28:01,541 to show that he has nothing to hide." 1372 01:28:02,875 --> 01:28:06,250 "It will show that he has been wholly honest and truthful." 1373 01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:11,416 "'In a way,' says a friend, 'he is saying, "Judge me."" 1374 01:28:15,416 --> 01:28:17,083 It's… It's excellent, isn't it? 1375 01:28:17,916 --> 01:28:19,000 Huh. 1376 01:28:19,083 --> 01:28:21,041 It's… It's exactly the right tone. 1377 01:28:21,125 --> 01:28:22,666 -[sighs] -Very good. 1378 01:28:24,541 --> 01:28:26,875 Would you… Would you like me to be here tonight 1379 01:28:27,375 --> 01:28:29,375 when it… goes out? 1380 01:28:30,666 --> 01:28:31,916 Oh, no, I don't think so. 1381 01:28:32,666 --> 01:28:35,875 No, I really don't think that's necessary. 1382 01:28:39,208 --> 01:28:40,541 [positive music playing] 1383 01:28:40,625 --> 01:28:42,291 -[door opens] -[Sam's mum] Hello! 1384 01:28:42,375 --> 01:28:43,666 Nana, this is Freya. 1385 01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:46,291 -Hello. Come in. Come in. -Freya, this is Netta. 1386 01:28:46,375 --> 01:28:47,250 Hello. 1387 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,291 [kissing] 1388 01:28:54,166 --> 01:28:55,791 [jingle playing on TV] 1389 01:29:06,958 --> 01:29:07,916 [grunts softly] 1390 01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,333 Um, in… In fact, I'm convinced 1391 01:29:12,041 --> 01:29:16,333 that I was never in Tramps with her. 1392 01:29:16,416 --> 01:29:19,625 There's a number of things wrong with that story. One of which is that… 1393 01:29:19,708 --> 01:29:22,791 I don't know where the bar is. 1394 01:29:27,208 --> 01:29:29,208 [notifications whirring rapidly] 1395 01:29:31,625 --> 01:29:37,125 I have a, um… a peculiar condition, which is that I don't sweat, 1396 01:29:37,208 --> 01:29:40,208 or rather I didn't sweat at the time. And that would… 1397 01:29:40,291 --> 01:29:42,875 and that is because I had suffered 1398 01:29:42,958 --> 01:29:47,791 what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War. 1399 01:29:47,875 --> 01:29:51,291 Because going to Pizza Express in Woking 1400 01:29:52,291 --> 01:29:54,791 is an unusual thing for me to do. 1401 01:29:55,375 --> 01:29:58,583 A very unusual thing for me to do. 1402 01:30:03,500 --> 01:30:08,041 [Emily] So, if Virginia Roberts is watching this interview, 1403 01:30:08,666 --> 01:30:10,416 what's your message to her? 1404 01:30:14,791 --> 01:30:16,666 I don't have a message for her 1405 01:30:16,750 --> 01:30:19,375 because I have to have… 1406 01:30:19,458 --> 01:30:21,416 She gives him every chance. 1407 01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:24,750 And if somebody's going to make these sorts of allegations… 1408 01:30:24,833 --> 01:30:27,750 [notification alerts chiming] 1409 01:30:27,833 --> 01:30:32,208 [Andrew] We try and uphold the highest standards and practices, 1410 01:30:32,291 --> 01:30:35,625 and, um, I let the side down, simple as that. 1411 01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:37,166 Christ's sake. 1412 01:30:42,041 --> 01:30:43,208 [phone chiming, vibrating] 1413 01:30:43,291 --> 01:30:45,458 [Emily] …you feel you'd like to say… 1414 01:30:46,208 --> 01:30:47,500 that has been left unsaid? 1415 01:30:48,833 --> 01:30:50,833 [notification alerts chiming] 1416 01:30:51,458 --> 01:30:53,333 [Andrew] No, I don't think so. 1417 01:30:53,416 --> 01:30:58,625 You probably dragged out of me most of what's required. 1418 01:31:01,250 --> 01:31:03,250 [pensive music builds slowly] 1419 01:31:08,875 --> 01:31:10,500 [Lucas] We're gonna sit up front, Mum. 1420 01:31:59,583 --> 01:32:01,416 [music fades out] 1421 01:32:01,500 --> 01:32:03,500 [clock ticking] 1422 01:32:12,041 --> 01:32:14,041 [footsteps approaching] 1423 01:32:15,041 --> 01:32:16,333 Your Royal Highness. 1424 01:32:19,958 --> 01:32:21,125 [Andrew] Mm. 1425 01:32:26,166 --> 01:32:28,166 [gentle music plays softly] 1426 01:32:30,583 --> 01:32:32,500 [clicking, whirring] 1427 01:32:35,041 --> 01:32:36,666 -[cameras clicking] -[man 1] Amanda! 1428 01:32:36,750 --> 01:32:38,333 [man 2] Amanda, a quick statement. 1429 01:32:38,416 --> 01:32:39,958 [all clamoring] 1430 01:32:40,041 --> 01:32:42,041 [indistinct overlapping shouting] 1431 01:32:46,583 --> 01:32:47,958 Would you like to comment? 1432 01:32:48,041 --> 01:32:49,625 [clicking, whirring] 1433 01:33:04,166 --> 01:33:07,333 The Palace have just released a statement from the Duke of York. 1434 01:33:08,958 --> 01:33:11,625 "I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back 1435 01:33:12,416 --> 01:33:14,666 from public duties for the foreseeable future, 1436 01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:16,458 and she has given me her permission." 1437 01:33:19,208 --> 01:33:21,041 "I continue to unequivocally regret 1438 01:33:21,125 --> 01:33:23,916 my ill-judged association with Jeffrey Epstein." 1439 01:33:24,541 --> 01:33:27,958 "His suicide has left many unanswered questions, 1440 01:33:28,041 --> 01:33:29,791 particularly for his victims." 1441 01:33:31,958 --> 01:33:35,583 "I can only hope that in time, they will be able to rebuild their lives." 1442 01:33:41,291 --> 01:33:42,833 This is what Newsnight is. 1443 01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:47,375 We put the time in… to get the stories other shows won't. 1444 01:33:49,875 --> 01:33:51,583 Stories that need to be told, 1445 01:33:52,708 --> 01:33:53,875 that people care about, 1446 01:33:54,708 --> 01:33:56,416 hold the powerful to account 1447 01:33:56,500 --> 01:33:58,666 and give victims a voice. 1448 01:33:58,750 --> 01:34:01,083 [all clapping] 1449 01:34:02,083 --> 01:34:03,208 Thank you. 1450 01:34:03,291 --> 01:34:04,208 [chuckles softly] 1451 01:34:10,458 --> 01:34:12,458 [indistinct overlapping chatter] 1452 01:34:46,083 --> 01:34:47,500 Two lamb shawarma. 1453 01:34:47,583 --> 01:34:48,458 The usual. 1454 01:34:48,541 --> 01:34:49,375 Thanks. [chuckles] 1455 01:34:49,458 --> 01:34:52,666 You seen this? Love to be there when they filmed that! 1456 01:34:57,166 --> 01:34:58,541 Yeah, I did. I saw it. 1457 01:35:01,166 --> 01:35:02,291 -Thanks. -Bye. 1458 01:35:05,541 --> 01:35:07,541 [energetic pensive music playing] 1459 01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,000 [pulsing pensive music builds] 1460 01:39:57,166 --> 01:39:59,166 [energetic music plays] 1461 01:40:32,041 --> 01:40:34,250 [music trails off]