1 00:00:02,654 --> 00:00:03,829 - There are no new clues tonight in a case 2 00:00:03,872 --> 00:00:05,570 that has police baffled 3 00:00:05,613 --> 00:00:07,180 and an entire community wondering 4 00:00:07,224 --> 00:00:10,966 if a killer is on the loose. 5 00:00:11,010 --> 00:00:13,839 - I was called in by our special agent in charge 6 00:00:13,882 --> 00:00:15,319 and sent down to Yosemite 7 00:00:15,362 --> 00:00:18,452 because three women went missing. 8 00:00:18,496 --> 00:00:22,021 I had a hiker bring me in a license plate of a car. 9 00:00:22,065 --> 00:00:24,893 And that license plate matches the car you're looking for. 10 00:00:32,510 --> 00:00:35,121 - The paint had rolled off the car. 11 00:00:35,165 --> 00:00:37,297 All the tires had burned and melted. 12 00:00:37,341 --> 00:00:39,517 Everything was gone. 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,433 - At this point, hair must be going up on everyone's neck. 14 00:00:42,476 --> 00:00:45,653 The FBI knows we have a murderer on the loose. 15 00:00:45,697 --> 00:00:49,092 - And then four months later, another missing woman 16 00:00:49,135 --> 00:00:51,094 from Yosemite National Park. 17 00:00:59,058 --> 00:01:01,626 - And then he said, "I cut her head off." 18 00:01:01,669 --> 00:01:03,018 - Wow. 19 00:01:03,062 --> 00:01:04,281 - And I said, you know, 20 00:01:04,324 --> 00:01:05,630 "What do you mean, you cut her head off?" 21 00:01:05,673 --> 00:01:07,545 But then he says, "And there's more." 22 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:19,209 - In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 23 00:01:19,252 --> 00:01:22,689 [dramatic music] 24 00:01:22,734 --> 00:01:24,170 Drug busts, 25 00:01:24,213 --> 00:01:27,042 mob stings, 26 00:01:27,086 --> 00:01:28,826 terrorist takedowns. 27 00:01:28,870 --> 00:01:30,959 - Get down! Get down! 28 00:01:31,003 --> 00:01:33,310 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 29 00:01:33,353 --> 00:01:34,354 - Mark it. 30 00:01:34,397 --> 00:01:35,877 - Freeze! - FBI. 31 00:01:35,921 --> 00:01:37,531 - FBI! - Action! 32 00:01:37,575 --> 00:01:39,576 - But they don't know the half of it. 33 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:41,144 [indistinct radio chatter] 34 00:01:41,187 --> 00:01:43,276 What really goes down, 35 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:45,539 we save that for each other 36 00:01:45,582 --> 00:01:47,671 when we're talking agent to agent. 37 00:01:47,715 --> 00:01:50,631 ♪ 38 00:01:50,675 --> 00:01:53,895 This is "FBI True." 39 00:01:58,117 --> 00:02:01,033 [ominous music] 40 00:02:01,076 --> 00:02:08,301 ♪ 41 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,871 - Kristy Kottis is a 24-year veteran of the FBI. 42 00:02:12,914 --> 00:02:16,396 She worked gangs, crimes against children, 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,833 as well as human and drug trafficking. 44 00:02:18,877 --> 00:02:20,487 Kottis was the supervisor 45 00:02:20,531 --> 00:02:22,533 of the FBI's threat response squad 46 00:02:22,576 --> 00:02:24,361 overseeing the Bureau's response 47 00:02:24,404 --> 00:02:27,494 to terrorism threats in New York City. 48 00:02:27,538 --> 00:02:29,235 - So, Jeff, I want to talk 49 00:02:29,279 --> 00:02:31,585 about the Yosemite serial killer case. 50 00:02:31,629 --> 00:02:33,631 I know that you had a lot of participation in that. 51 00:02:33,674 --> 00:02:35,546 - Right. - Take me into that. 52 00:02:35,589 --> 00:02:38,418 How does the FBI get involved in that case? 53 00:02:38,461 --> 00:02:41,334 - I was called in by our special agent in charge 54 00:02:41,378 --> 00:02:44,729 and advised that I was going to be sent down to Yosemite 55 00:02:44,771 --> 00:02:47,949 because Carole Sund, her daughter, Juli Sund, 56 00:02:47,993 --> 00:02:49,473 and their friend from Argentina, 57 00:02:49,516 --> 00:02:52,954 Silvina Pelosso, went missing. 58 00:02:52,997 --> 00:02:55,957 - Jeffrey Rinek is a certified criminal profiler 59 00:02:56,001 --> 00:02:57,959 who worked at the FBI for 30 years 60 00:02:58,003 --> 00:03:00,701 on cases involving crimes against children, 61 00:03:00,745 --> 00:03:04,749 sexual assault, violent crime, and serial homicide. 62 00:03:04,792 --> 00:03:07,447 In 1999, Rinek was a special agent 63 00:03:07,491 --> 00:03:10,711 at the FBI's Sacramento field office. 64 00:03:10,755 --> 00:03:12,322 - So let me understand this. 65 00:03:12,365 --> 00:03:14,715 Why were Carole, Juli, and Silvina 66 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:16,326 in the Yosemite area? 67 00:03:16,369 --> 00:03:20,417 - Their game plan was to see a school in Stockton called 68 00:03:20,460 --> 00:03:22,114 the University of the Pacific 69 00:03:22,157 --> 00:03:24,159 and check it out for Juli to attend there. 70 00:03:24,203 --> 00:03:26,031 And when they got done, they were going 71 00:03:26,074 --> 00:03:27,859 to go to see Yosemite. 72 00:03:27,902 --> 00:03:33,865 ♪ 73 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:37,651 There's a town called El Portal, 74 00:03:37,695 --> 00:03:39,131 which borders Yosemite. 75 00:03:39,174 --> 00:03:42,352 It's actually 7 miles from the Yosemite gate. 76 00:03:42,395 --> 00:03:44,484 There's several lodges that are down there 77 00:03:44,528 --> 00:03:46,443 to accommodate visitors when they want 78 00:03:46,485 --> 00:03:48,706 to travel to see Yosemite. 79 00:03:48,749 --> 00:03:52,710 And what we learned was that they drove down to El Portal 80 00:03:52,753 --> 00:03:54,625 and stayed at the Cedar Lodge. 81 00:03:54,668 --> 00:03:58,542 ♪ 82 00:03:58,585 --> 00:04:03,242 That was the last day they were seen alive. 83 00:04:06,158 --> 00:04:08,900 - Close to a thousand friends, supporters, and family 84 00:04:08,943 --> 00:04:10,467 of three missing women marched 85 00:04:10,510 --> 00:04:13,252 in downtown Modesto, California today. 86 00:04:13,296 --> 00:04:16,864 - This mysterious disappearance is a clear evidence 87 00:04:16,908 --> 00:04:20,259 of how vulnerable a mother and two girls 88 00:04:20,303 --> 00:04:22,566 can be in this society. 89 00:04:22,609 --> 00:04:25,743 - We hold hope that someone will come forward soon 90 00:04:25,786 --> 00:04:27,571 and lead us to them. 91 00:04:29,442 --> 00:04:32,184 - It was the biggest search and rescue effort in Yosemite 92 00:04:32,226 --> 00:04:34,012 in California history. 93 00:04:35,579 --> 00:04:38,364 - Check both sides in case something has blown... 94 00:04:38,408 --> 00:04:41,498 - It was so extensive they actually flew an airplane 95 00:04:41,541 --> 00:04:44,675 up and down Yosemite, looking for anything 96 00:04:44,718 --> 00:04:47,591 that could give any kind of indication. 97 00:04:47,634 --> 00:04:51,638 ♪ 98 00:04:51,682 --> 00:04:54,380 And the search and rescue workers were on foot, 99 00:04:54,424 --> 00:04:56,817 on horse everywhere. 100 00:04:56,861 --> 00:04:59,733 And at this time, when we're down there, 101 00:04:59,777 --> 00:05:02,432 it's February, so it's cold. 102 00:05:02,475 --> 00:05:04,390 It's drizzly. 103 00:05:04,434 --> 00:05:07,001 It's very dangerous driving conditions. 104 00:05:07,045 --> 00:05:10,048 And there was a lot of thought being given to the potential 105 00:05:10,091 --> 00:05:11,832 that they had had a car accident, 106 00:05:11,876 --> 00:05:13,573 or driven off a cliff, or something. 107 00:05:16,446 --> 00:05:19,144 - So who do you decide to go to first, family? 108 00:05:19,187 --> 00:05:20,928 - The first person we interviewed 109 00:05:20,972 --> 00:05:22,190 was Carole's husband. 110 00:05:22,234 --> 00:05:23,801 And he was fine. 111 00:05:23,844 --> 00:05:27,065 I mean, we didn't think he had any culpability. 112 00:05:27,108 --> 00:05:30,198 So once we get done going through the family, 113 00:05:30,242 --> 00:05:33,071 the next thing we want to do is find out 114 00:05:33,114 --> 00:05:35,639 who were the last people to see our victims. 115 00:05:35,682 --> 00:05:40,557 So they bring in a employee from the Cedar Lodge. 116 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,648 ♪ 117 00:05:44,691 --> 00:05:48,260 And in his belongings, his locker, his van, 118 00:05:48,303 --> 00:05:51,437 it was full of this dark red stuff 119 00:05:51,481 --> 00:05:54,309 that looked like dried blood. 120 00:05:54,353 --> 00:05:59,271 And the presumptive test came back positive. 121 00:05:59,314 --> 00:06:01,882 So what we learned the hard way is that, 122 00:06:01,926 --> 00:06:03,231 when it comes back positive, 123 00:06:03,275 --> 00:06:04,798 it doesn't necessarily mean it's blood. 124 00:06:04,842 --> 00:06:07,018 It means it's got oxygen in it. 125 00:06:07,061 --> 00:06:09,499 And the lab came back and said it wasn't blood. 126 00:06:09,542 --> 00:06:11,414 It was just rust. 127 00:06:13,154 --> 00:06:17,289 ♪ 128 00:06:17,332 --> 00:06:19,160 - A California mother and two teens 129 00:06:19,204 --> 00:06:20,640 disappeared last month in a case 130 00:06:20,684 --> 00:06:22,555 that has an entire community wondering 131 00:06:22,599 --> 00:06:25,471 if a killer is on the loose. 132 00:06:25,515 --> 00:06:28,518 - After they'd been missing for three or four weeks, 133 00:06:28,561 --> 00:06:32,130 the California Highway Patrol contacts our office. 134 00:06:32,173 --> 00:06:35,263 And he says to him, I had a hiker bring me in 135 00:06:35,307 --> 00:06:37,440 a license plate of a car. 136 00:06:37,483 --> 00:06:40,617 And that license plate matches the car you're looking for. 137 00:06:40,660 --> 00:06:42,706 ♪ 138 00:06:42,749 --> 00:06:45,404 But the car's been in a little bit of a fire. 139 00:06:45,448 --> 00:06:48,712 ♪ 140 00:06:48,755 --> 00:06:53,020 The car was completely burned out. 141 00:06:53,064 --> 00:06:56,502 The paint had rolled off the car. 142 00:06:56,546 --> 00:07:00,375 All the tires had burned and melted. 143 00:07:00,419 --> 00:07:04,423 Everything was gone. 144 00:07:04,467 --> 00:07:10,255 Now, they found in the trunk two sets of skeletal remains. 145 00:07:10,298 --> 00:07:12,910 ♪ 146 00:07:12,953 --> 00:07:17,523 And one turned out to be Carole. 147 00:07:17,567 --> 00:07:20,526 And the other skeletal remains were-- 148 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:25,052 it turned out to be Silvina, but we're missing Juli. 149 00:07:25,096 --> 00:07:28,229 And we think she's alive. 150 00:07:28,273 --> 00:07:33,278 And we think that her survival is based on us finding her. 151 00:07:33,321 --> 00:07:35,585 - So you've identified the two in the trunk. 152 00:07:35,628 --> 00:07:40,546 Investigation now is all assets looking for Juli. 153 00:07:42,983 --> 00:07:44,855 - About a week later, 154 00:07:44,898 --> 00:07:49,294 the Modesto resident agency supervisor 155 00:07:49,337 --> 00:07:51,252 receives a letter. 156 00:07:51,296 --> 00:07:53,777 And when he opens it, it's a picture of a map. 157 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:55,735 And on the top of it, 158 00:07:55,779 --> 00:07:57,781 it says, "We had fun with this one." 159 00:07:57,824 --> 00:08:01,175 ♪ 160 00:08:01,219 --> 00:08:04,222 So we brought up a dog from LA. 161 00:08:04,265 --> 00:08:07,878 And based on the map, the dog located Juli's remains, 162 00:08:07,921 --> 00:08:11,011 like, within seconds. 163 00:08:11,055 --> 00:08:13,840 - And what was the state of her remains? 164 00:08:13,884 --> 00:08:16,321 - Her remains were in the area of what's 165 00:08:16,364 --> 00:08:21,282 called Don Pedro Reservoir, and her body was located 166 00:08:21,326 --> 00:08:23,676 at the bottom of a hill. 167 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,897 And it had been covered up by brush. 168 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:30,553 And they found that Juli had been killed 169 00:08:30,596 --> 00:08:32,990 through a cut to her neck. 170 00:08:33,033 --> 00:08:37,908 ♪ 171 00:08:37,951 --> 00:08:40,083 - The victims have finally been buried, 172 00:08:40,127 --> 00:08:41,825 and investigators are now plowing 173 00:08:41,868 --> 00:08:43,522 through all their leads. 174 00:08:43,566 --> 00:08:48,353 - I don't know how to explain the intense emotional drive 175 00:08:48,396 --> 00:08:51,312 when you think you have a victim who's alive, 176 00:08:51,356 --> 00:08:55,578 and their survival is based on you finding them. 177 00:08:55,621 --> 00:08:58,319 There was nothing we wouldn't have done. 178 00:08:58,363 --> 00:09:04,543 ♪ 179 00:09:04,587 --> 00:09:09,287 That summer, about four months after Carole and the girls, 180 00:09:09,330 --> 00:09:12,377 there's a missing person reported 181 00:09:12,420 --> 00:09:14,553 from Yosemite National Park. 182 00:09:14,597 --> 00:09:17,034 Her name was Joie Armstrong. 183 00:09:17,077 --> 00:09:18,601 She was in her mid 20s. 184 00:09:18,644 --> 00:09:20,603 And she was part of a park program 185 00:09:20,646 --> 00:09:23,431 to live in a cabin in a meadow with others 186 00:09:23,475 --> 00:09:24,998 who had the same arrangement. 187 00:09:25,042 --> 00:09:28,480 And they would teach nature in Yosemite. 188 00:09:28,523 --> 00:09:30,874 ♪ 189 00:09:30,917 --> 00:09:32,571 - Now, who reported her missing? 190 00:09:32,615 --> 00:09:35,008 And how did she come up on law enforcement's radar 191 00:09:35,052 --> 00:09:36,967 as a missing person, period? 192 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:41,014 - Joie planned to go to the Central California coast 193 00:09:41,058 --> 00:09:42,407 to meet friends. 194 00:09:42,450 --> 00:09:43,843 They were going to camp out on the beach 195 00:09:43,887 --> 00:09:45,497 and do what friends do. 196 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:47,151 She didn't show up. 197 00:09:47,194 --> 00:09:49,588 And when she didn't show up, her friends called back 198 00:09:49,632 --> 00:09:52,460 to the park service and told them 199 00:09:52,504 --> 00:09:55,376 that Joie did not show up and they were concerned about her. 200 00:09:55,420 --> 00:09:58,118 ♪ 201 00:09:58,162 --> 00:10:00,730 At that point, a park service ranger 202 00:10:00,773 --> 00:10:03,341 did a welfare check on Joie's cabin. 203 00:10:03,384 --> 00:10:05,648 ♪ 204 00:10:05,691 --> 00:10:10,957 When he first drives down it, he sensed something was wrong. 205 00:10:11,001 --> 00:10:14,004 And so they start an investigation. 206 00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:16,920 ♪ 207 00:10:16,963 --> 00:10:19,139 And within a few hours, 208 00:10:19,183 --> 00:10:23,753 they discovered Joie's body 209 00:10:23,796 --> 00:10:26,886 in a nearby creek. 210 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:30,716 And her body had been pushed up into some weeds and covered. 211 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,806 ♪ 212 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:35,982 She had been beheaded. 213 00:10:36,026 --> 00:10:37,549 - Wow. 214 00:10:37,592 --> 00:10:39,856 - About 30 feet away, 215 00:10:39,899 --> 00:10:42,119 they were able to recover her head. 216 00:10:42,162 --> 00:10:44,687 ♪ 217 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:48,299 So they know they're dealing with an abduction and a murder. 218 00:10:48,342 --> 00:10:51,563 ♪ 219 00:10:51,606 --> 00:10:53,521 - What happens next, Jeff? 220 00:10:53,565 --> 00:10:57,047 - You start looking at who they're supposed to be with. 221 00:10:57,090 --> 00:10:59,527 And what they discovered in this instance was 222 00:10:59,571 --> 00:11:03,923 that on the day that Joie went missing, 223 00:11:03,967 --> 00:11:07,753 there was a person coming up a road from where 224 00:11:07,797 --> 00:11:09,450 Joie's cabin was located. 225 00:11:09,494 --> 00:11:10,930 The person was driving 226 00:11:10,974 --> 00:11:14,368 a light blue International Harvester truck. 227 00:11:16,501 --> 00:11:18,895 And he had a flat tire, and he needed help. 228 00:11:18,938 --> 00:11:22,507 So a passing park ranger helped him out, 229 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:25,249 and his name was Cary Stayner. 230 00:11:25,292 --> 00:11:28,078 ♪ 231 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,473 Everybody sort of remembered that name 232 00:11:32,517 --> 00:11:35,694 because Cary Stayner's brother was named Steven. 233 00:11:38,044 --> 00:11:41,787 And in 1973, Steven was abducted, 234 00:11:41,831 --> 00:11:45,008 and the nation was fixated on it. 235 00:11:45,051 --> 00:11:47,488 - In 1980, Steven Stayner became famous 236 00:11:47,532 --> 00:11:49,664 as the victim of a high-profile crime. 237 00:11:49,708 --> 00:11:52,189 He escaped from a child molester 238 00:11:52,232 --> 00:11:54,757 who'd held him captive for seven years. 239 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,672 - And so Cary was his older brother. 240 00:11:57,716 --> 00:11:59,587 ♪ 241 00:11:59,631 --> 00:12:02,895 - I didn't like what was happening. 242 00:12:02,939 --> 00:12:06,333 - What happens next is they're now looking at Cary Stayner 243 00:12:06,377 --> 00:12:08,988 as if he's a good suspect. 244 00:12:09,032 --> 00:12:10,381 They start conducting investigations, 245 00:12:10,424 --> 00:12:11,991 see where he lives. 246 00:12:12,035 --> 00:12:14,951 And they determine that he lives at the Cedar Lodge... 247 00:12:14,994 --> 00:12:19,869 ♪ 248 00:12:19,912 --> 00:12:22,349 Where Carole, Juli, and Silvina 249 00:12:22,393 --> 00:12:24,134 were abducted and murdered. 250 00:12:24,177 --> 00:12:28,791 ♪ 251 00:12:28,834 --> 00:12:30,749 - So, at this point, 252 00:12:30,793 --> 00:12:33,056 hair must be going up on everyone's neck. 253 00:12:33,099 --> 00:12:35,580 - Oh, yeah, and so now they start 254 00:12:35,623 --> 00:12:38,061 looking very heavily at this guy. 255 00:12:38,104 --> 00:12:42,326 And when they start conducting the forensic examination, 256 00:12:42,369 --> 00:12:45,242 in front of Joie's cabin, there were prints. 257 00:12:45,285 --> 00:12:46,504 There were prints of another car, 258 00:12:46,547 --> 00:12:48,201 prints of sandals. 259 00:12:48,245 --> 00:12:51,465 And the evidence technicians from the FBI 260 00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:53,424 in Sacramento came down. 261 00:12:53,467 --> 00:12:57,602 And through their photography, which was remarkable, 262 00:12:57,645 --> 00:13:01,214 enabled the analysts to determine 263 00:13:01,258 --> 00:13:05,088 that they had tire tracks and sandal tracks 264 00:13:05,131 --> 00:13:08,831 in front of Joie's cabin that matched the tire tracks 265 00:13:08,874 --> 00:13:13,096 from Cary Stayner's vehicle, and that the sandal tracks 266 00:13:13,139 --> 00:13:16,229 matched the chevrons on Cary Stayner's sandals. 267 00:13:16,273 --> 00:13:18,928 - In front of Joie's cabin. - In front of Joie's cabin. 268 00:13:18,971 --> 00:13:20,712 - Are we looking for him at this point? 269 00:13:20,755 --> 00:13:22,540 - They are looking for him at this point. 270 00:13:22,583 --> 00:13:26,283 ♪ 271 00:13:29,808 --> 00:13:32,245 [ominous music] 272 00:13:32,289 --> 00:13:35,770 - On Saturday morning, an individual 273 00:13:35,814 --> 00:13:39,818 from a nudist colony named the Laguna Del Sol, 274 00:13:39,862 --> 00:13:42,560 just south of Sacramento, called in to say 275 00:13:42,603 --> 00:13:44,562 that Cary Stayner was there. 276 00:13:44,605 --> 00:13:48,740 ♪ 277 00:13:48,783 --> 00:13:50,394 I was the first one to arrive. 278 00:13:50,437 --> 00:13:53,005 And the manager of Laguna Del Sol 279 00:13:53,049 --> 00:13:54,702 was waiting for me at the entrance. 280 00:13:54,746 --> 00:13:58,402 And he was fired up because he said that Cary was clothed. 281 00:13:58,445 --> 00:14:02,885 And he thought that meant he was hiding a weapon. 282 00:14:02,928 --> 00:14:06,018 And when Cary Stayner became aware of our presence, 283 00:14:06,062 --> 00:14:08,455 he immediately stood up and put his hands 284 00:14:08,499 --> 00:14:09,761 on top of his head like he was-- 285 00:14:09,804 --> 00:14:11,110 - And what are you thinking at this point? 286 00:14:11,154 --> 00:14:12,938 - Not normal behavior for a citizen. 287 00:14:12,982 --> 00:14:14,984 - Absolutely not. 288 00:14:15,027 --> 00:14:16,942 - So we're like, what in the wide, wide world of sports 289 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:18,509 is this guy doing? 290 00:14:18,552 --> 00:14:21,207 And then I said, if you would, I'd be more than happy 291 00:14:21,251 --> 00:14:22,687 to give you a ride back to our office 292 00:14:22,730 --> 00:14:24,732 and then bring you back here when you're done. 293 00:14:24,776 --> 00:14:27,431 And he said, "That's fine. That's OK." 294 00:14:27,474 --> 00:14:31,652 ♪ 295 00:14:31,696 --> 00:14:33,958 - So as you're rolling back to the office, 296 00:14:34,003 --> 00:14:35,613 is Cary chatting with you, is he quiet? 297 00:14:35,656 --> 00:14:37,310 Does he want to talk about the weather? 298 00:14:37,354 --> 00:14:39,443 Like, what's happening in the car? 299 00:14:39,486 --> 00:14:41,314 - I told him I knew who his brother was, 300 00:14:41,358 --> 00:14:44,578 and could I ask him about his brother. 301 00:14:44,622 --> 00:14:46,450 And he said I could. 302 00:14:46,493 --> 00:14:48,321 And I explained to him that that's what I did. 303 00:14:48,365 --> 00:14:51,498 That was the work I did, dealing with abducted, 304 00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:53,544 murdered, sexually assaulted children. 305 00:14:53,587 --> 00:14:58,549 And I had also experienced the pain of these cases, 306 00:14:58,592 --> 00:15:01,856 not only on the victim, but on the victims' families. 307 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:04,816 And I said, "How are you doing with that? 308 00:15:04,859 --> 00:15:07,601 How is your family doing with that?" 309 00:15:07,645 --> 00:15:09,647 And he became emotional. 310 00:15:09,690 --> 00:15:12,302 And he said Steven was never the same. 311 00:15:12,345 --> 00:15:17,524 And Steven began living a life of risk. 312 00:15:17,568 --> 00:15:21,659 And it finally ended when he was riding a motorcycle-- 313 00:15:21,702 --> 00:15:23,878 he was 22 years old-- where he was killed. 314 00:15:23,922 --> 00:15:25,968 And this really broke him up. 315 00:15:28,057 --> 00:15:31,103 The best way I can explain it to you, 316 00:15:31,147 --> 00:15:35,890 Kris, is that he knew somehow 317 00:15:35,934 --> 00:15:41,026 that I understood how he felt and how his family felt. 318 00:15:41,070 --> 00:15:43,942 ♪ 319 00:15:43,986 --> 00:15:46,771 - So, Jeff, at this point, you've brought Cary Stayner 320 00:15:46,814 --> 00:15:48,381 into the FBI building. 321 00:15:48,425 --> 00:15:51,732 - Right, and we sat him in a interview room 322 00:15:51,776 --> 00:15:53,647 outside the security area of our office. 323 00:15:53,691 --> 00:15:55,301 We left them there. 324 00:15:55,345 --> 00:15:58,174 And then, eventually, without real direction 325 00:15:58,217 --> 00:15:59,827 or knowing what we were going to do 326 00:15:59,871 --> 00:16:01,786 and trying to figure out what we could do, 327 00:16:01,829 --> 00:16:04,354 Cary looked at me and said, "I want to see Jeff alone." 328 00:16:04,397 --> 00:16:05,877 - Wow. 329 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,010 ♪ 330 00:16:08,053 --> 00:16:09,576 At this point, are you a little nervous? 331 00:16:09,620 --> 00:16:11,187 Because someone says, "I want to see you alone," 332 00:16:11,230 --> 00:16:12,405 you know, FBI policy, you always have 333 00:16:12,449 --> 00:16:13,928 to have two agents there. 334 00:16:13,972 --> 00:16:15,452 What are you thinking? 335 00:16:15,495 --> 00:16:17,019 - I'm scared shitless because when I went back in 336 00:16:17,062 --> 00:16:18,890 after he asked to see me alone, 337 00:16:18,933 --> 00:16:21,458 he was sitting in a very hunched over position, 338 00:16:21,501 --> 00:16:23,547 looking in the corner of the room. 339 00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:26,245 And he said to me, "Jeff, I've done bad things. 340 00:16:26,289 --> 00:16:28,987 I've done really bad things. And I'm not proud of it." 341 00:16:29,031 --> 00:16:30,075 - So let me ask you a question. 342 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:31,163 At that point, were you thinking, 343 00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:32,904 OK, he's manipulative? 344 00:16:32,947 --> 00:16:35,167 - At this point, I'm thinking he's testing me. 345 00:16:35,211 --> 00:16:37,952 And I said, "Cary, good people do bad things. 346 00:16:37,996 --> 00:16:39,258 "It doesn't mean they're bad people. 347 00:16:39,302 --> 00:16:40,651 Let's talk about it." 348 00:16:40,694 --> 00:16:45,482 At that point, he made some indications 349 00:16:45,525 --> 00:16:47,353 that he might have had something to do 350 00:16:47,397 --> 00:16:49,747 with the death of Joie. 351 00:16:49,790 --> 00:16:52,532 ♪ 352 00:16:52,576 --> 00:16:54,230 - So tell me, how do you start? 353 00:16:54,273 --> 00:16:55,927 - I said to him... 354 00:17:06,894 --> 00:17:11,073 - He starts off saying, "I was up in Foresta." 355 00:17:24,477 --> 00:17:28,655 - And he said, "I saw this girl that was going out 356 00:17:28,699 --> 00:17:30,962 and back to her truck and a cabin." 357 00:17:31,005 --> 00:17:33,965 And I said, "Tell me what the girl looked like to you." 358 00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:50,112 - And then at one point, when she turns her back to him, 359 00:17:50,155 --> 00:17:52,026 he pulls the revolver on her. 360 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:59,208 ♪ 361 00:17:59,251 --> 00:18:01,384 He says, "Well, when I got her into the back room, 362 00:18:01,427 --> 00:18:05,823 and I started duct taping her, she fought and fought." 363 00:18:05,866 --> 00:18:07,955 And this is hard for me emotionally, 364 00:18:07,999 --> 00:18:10,567 but she wanted to live. 365 00:18:10,610 --> 00:18:12,482 So she started fighting for her life at that point. 366 00:18:12,525 --> 00:18:14,092 - Yeah. 367 00:18:14,136 --> 00:18:16,703 - And he says that once he gets her under control, 368 00:18:16,747 --> 00:18:18,662 he walks her out of the cabin. 369 00:18:18,705 --> 00:18:21,143 And then he takes her back to his truck. 370 00:18:55,829 --> 00:18:58,397 - What's in my mind is, now we're going through it 371 00:18:58,441 --> 00:19:01,226 from his perspective, but also, 372 00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:02,706 that was the last face the victim saw. 373 00:19:02,749 --> 00:19:04,316 - Yes. 374 00:19:16,807 --> 00:19:19,636 - After he successfully took her life, 375 00:19:19,679 --> 00:19:23,074 he calmly went back and parked his truck and turned it off. 376 00:19:23,117 --> 00:19:24,641 And then he came back to her, 377 00:19:24,684 --> 00:19:27,861 and he said, "And I cut her head off." 378 00:19:27,905 --> 00:19:29,254 And I said, you know, 379 00:19:29,298 --> 00:19:31,256 "What do you mean, you cut her head off?" 380 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:33,693 He goes, "Well, you know, it seemed like a job. 381 00:19:33,737 --> 00:19:35,217 I just had to do it." 382 00:19:43,573 --> 00:19:45,314 - But then he says, "And there's more." 383 00:19:45,357 --> 00:19:47,925 - Oh, wow. 384 00:19:47,968 --> 00:19:50,275 - I said, "Cary, are you talking 385 00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:53,974 about the three women out of Cedar Lodge?" 386 00:19:54,018 --> 00:19:56,368 And he kind of nods. 387 00:19:56,412 --> 00:19:58,196 So now I'm like, what do you-- 388 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,198 - And what does he tell you at this point? 389 00:20:00,242 --> 00:20:02,113 - You know, we had a lot of people 390 00:20:02,156 --> 00:20:03,593 coming forward claiming that. 391 00:20:03,636 --> 00:20:06,422 People confess to things all the time. 392 00:20:06,465 --> 00:20:08,685 I mean, you're a pretender to the throne. 393 00:20:08,728 --> 00:20:10,643 We've got to figure out if you are the guy or not. 394 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,901 - Silvina, he eventually took her back to the bathroom 395 00:20:50,944 --> 00:20:52,903 and strangled her. 396 00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:40,820 - He confessed to killing Joie Armstrong. 397 00:21:40,864 --> 00:21:44,084 He confessed in detail to killing Carole, 398 00:21:44,128 --> 00:21:49,133 to killing Silvina, to killing Juli. 399 00:21:49,176 --> 00:21:52,310 He also confessed to burning the car 400 00:21:52,354 --> 00:21:56,358 that contained the bodies of Carole and Silvina. 401 00:22:17,596 --> 00:22:24,516 ♪ 402 00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:43,143 - A jury convicted former motel handyman Cary Stayner 403 00:22:43,187 --> 00:22:46,364 Monday of murdering three Yosemite National Park 404 00:22:46,408 --> 00:22:48,584 tourists in 1999. 405 00:22:48,627 --> 00:22:51,891 He now could get the death penalty. 406 00:22:51,935 --> 00:22:53,763 - Do you ever see him again? 407 00:22:53,806 --> 00:22:55,895 - Yes. 408 00:22:55,939 --> 00:22:59,464 I see him again during the trial. 409 00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:01,074 - And that was it? 410 00:23:01,118 --> 00:23:04,121 - And then I saw him when he was sentenced to death. 411 00:23:10,127 --> 00:23:12,695 - Well, you did a fantastic job. 412 00:23:12,738 --> 00:23:15,306 I mean, you got this person who was clearly troubled 413 00:23:15,349 --> 00:23:19,876 in a very dark way to feel safe enough with you 414 00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:23,793 to say some of the most hideous and heinous things 415 00:23:23,836 --> 00:23:26,230 abut himself to you. 416 00:23:26,273 --> 00:23:27,840 - I appreciate you saying that. 417 00:23:27,884 --> 00:23:29,538 But then when you think what it's about, 418 00:23:29,581 --> 00:23:31,670 these four women died, 419 00:23:31,714 --> 00:23:33,542 and the fact that you're finding something 420 00:23:33,585 --> 00:23:35,457 to be happy about, 421 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:37,459 I don't know how to feel about myself. 422 00:23:37,502 --> 00:23:39,504 - No, our job is to get the evidence. 423 00:23:39,548 --> 00:23:41,288 Our job is to get the facts, 424 00:23:41,332 --> 00:23:44,074 bring forward the truthful narrative 425 00:23:44,117 --> 00:23:46,163 so that justice can be served. 426 00:23:46,206 --> 00:23:47,643 - So this friend of mine from the office, 427 00:23:47,686 --> 00:23:50,994 when I was telling him about this incident, he said, 428 00:23:51,037 --> 00:23:54,563 "As FBI agents, we're expected to find the truth. 429 00:23:54,606 --> 00:23:56,086 And you did that." 430 00:23:56,129 --> 00:24:03,049 ♪ 431 00:24:13,973 --> 00:24:16,933 [dramatic music] 432 00:24:16,976 --> 00:24:23,896 ♪