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[helicopter whirring]

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[gunfire]

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- All we knew was that
a shootout had occurred.

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- Four law enforcement agents
are dead and at least

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14 injured in a shootout
with heavily-armed

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religious cult members outside
Waco, Texas, tonight.

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- They were an
apocalyptic group.

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- Well, you know what
they think of me?

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They think I'm the Son of God.

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- Do they?
- Yeah.

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- It was very, very confused.
[sirens wailing]

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What happened,
how it happened--

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- The 75-member group
stockpiles

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military-type assault weapons
in preparation

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for the end of the world.

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- We wanted to get
the kids out of there.

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- You know, we train
for these situations.

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- You can't point guns
in the direction

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of my wives and my kids.

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[bleep], I'll meet you
at the door any time.

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- All of that went
downhill fast.

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[dramatic music]

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- This is every law
enforcement's worst nightmare.

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[gunfire]

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narrator: In the FBI,
we make a lot of headlines.

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♪

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Drug busts, mob stings,

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terrorist takedowns...

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- Get down! Get down!

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narrator:
We understand why

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people want
to tell stories about us.

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- Mark it.
- Freeze!

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- FBI.
- FBI!

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- Action!

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narrator: But they don't know
the half of it.

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[officers shouting]

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What really goes down?

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We save that for each other,

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when we're talking
agent to agent.

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This is "FBI True."

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[tense music]

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♪

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narrator: Kristy Kottis is
a 24-year veteran of the FBI.

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She worked gangs,
crimes against children,

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as well as human
and drug trafficking.

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Kottis was the supervisor
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threat response squad

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overseeing the bureau's
response to terrorism threats

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in New York City.

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- The Waco siege
started February 28.

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Where were you?
How did it start?

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- I was reading
the Sunday morning paper,

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an article about
the Branch Davidians

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that I'd never heard of.

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narrator: Rick Shirley
is a veteran

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of the Austin
Police Department,

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where he served as a crisis
negotiator for 28 years.

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- It was a history
of the Branch Davidians,

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and mostly about Vernon Howell,
AKA David Koresh.

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The newspaper was referring
to them as a cult at the time--

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religious cult.

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- Howell claims his group
is an offshoot

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of the Seventh Day Adventists.

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The Adventists say they cut
off all contact with the group

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more than ten years ago.

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- They were an
apocalyptic group,

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and their beliefs were based
on Revelations of the Bible.

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And the main function or main
focus that David Koresh had

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was on the seven seals that's
mentioned in Revelations.

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According to him,
he was the Lamb of God

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because he could reveal the
meaning of the seven seals.

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- I don't care
if you're an alcoholic.

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I don't care if you can't
keep your marriage together.

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All I care about,
without judgment, is one thing.

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Do you want to know
the seven seals?

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Do you wanna know
where they are?

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- He calls himself
the Lamb of God,

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and also the one who will be
in charge of the Book of Life

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and the seals mentioned
in Revelation.

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- Is he as dangerous
as he appears to be?

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- He's extremely dangerous.

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- And the state
had already looked into him,

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because there was a
lot of things going on there.

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narrator: As an FBI
special agent, Charlie Rasner

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worked domestic terrorism
and civil rights cases

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before joining the FBI's

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Hostage Rescue Team
as a sniper.

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He was awarded
the FBI Shield of Bravery

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for his courage
in the line of duty.

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- A lot of the people that
came there were lost people.

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They were just mixed-up people.

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They came seeking
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And he took advantage of them,
and he convinced them

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to give him all their worldly
possessions and their wives

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and their underage children.

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He had had sex
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many, many underage girls.

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- This is my family.

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It may not be like your family.

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- We knew early on
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that we were given,

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ATF had been doing
an investigation on him

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for a while.

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- It makes nobody's
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a gun or not at this place.

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- UPS, a driver,
was delivering all kinds

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of suspicious packages
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and he was always troubled,

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he said in statements
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about what was going in there.

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And finally, one of the
packages broke open,

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and these grenades spill out.

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- The hand grenades, those were
inert hand grenade casings.

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But they also had
been buying gunpowder

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and other types of materials

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to turn those
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And in fact, they did.

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The neighbors would
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going off from time to time.

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And the Sheriff's Department,
they contacted ATF.

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- That,
and the automatic weapon fire.

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It's pretty noticeable to hear,
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when an automatic weapon
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It's going to be,
boom, boom, boom.

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narrator: Jim McGee began
his career as a firefighter

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for the National
Forest Service.

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As a member of the FBI's
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he received the Medal of Valor
for exceptional heroism.

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- His Mighty Men were
out there training

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in a range they had built.

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- Now, who are the Mighty Men?

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- The Mighty Men was a group
of his male followers

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that he kind of designated
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called it "army of God."

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They would be there
when that confrontation came

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between the Davidians
and the government.

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- And they were expecting
some form of government

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to come knocking
at the door anyway,

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because they weren't stupid.

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They knew that their behavior

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and the things that they were
doing that were criminal

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were going to get somebody's
attention eventually.

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So they actually trained
for dealing with the government

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before all of this took place.

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The straw that broke the
camel's back that morning,

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February 28th,
was the lost reporter

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that pulled over the mailman.

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- The reporters, they knew the
raid was going to take place.

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One of the reporters got lost,

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and he pulled over,
flagged over a mailman.

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And he asked him
the directions

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to the Branch Davidian
compound.

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And I think there's some words
exchanged to the fact

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that there was going to be
a big event there today.

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And so the mailman
was a cult member.

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- And the mailman immediately
told him that ATF was coming.

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- Sadly, now,
federal agents have learned

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what the locals
long suspected,

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that the group calling
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would not give up
without a fight.

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- All of this started
with a search warrant

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and a cache of allegedly
illegal weapons.

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[siren wailing, horns blaring]

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[indistinct radio chatter]

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- I was in
Old Town, Alexandria--

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there was still snow
on the ground.

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And all of a sudden,
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- In Waco, Texas,
four law enforcement agents

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are dead
and at least 12 injured

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in a shootout
with a religious cult.

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The first dramatic pictures
have just come in

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from our Waco affiliate, KWTX,

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and we caution you,
they are graphic.

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- All of a sudden,
I get the 333 on our pager,

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which meant "report to Quantico
immediately."

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When I got to the HRT
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people were saying,
dude, aren't you from Waco?

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I said, well, yeah.

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And they said, well, ATF just
got in a big shooting there,

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and there's four of them dead.

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[gunfire]

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Another 16 were wounded.

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And they need us,
because it's out of control.

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[somber music]

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- A Texas prairie
ten miles east of Waco

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is ground zero
in a smoldering holy war.

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- Authorities were
trying to serve

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a search warrant on the group's
leader when gunfire broke out.

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One of the cult members
was killed as well.

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- The ATF negotiators,
are they engaged with Koresh

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on the phone yet,
or anybody from the compound?

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- Yes, they had been engaged
with him for some time,

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as well as Steve Schneider.

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And then, a little later
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the first FBI negotiator
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and they had been on the phone
with Koresh as well

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as with Wayne Martin, who was
one of the Branch Davidians

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that was actually an attorney.

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- Through the
beginning negotiations,

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you could hear rounds going on.

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[gunshots]

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- They're basically
yelling at the negotiators

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that y'all need to back off.

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We have children--
women and children in here.

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[gunfire]

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- Tell them that they
need to stop firing,

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and the whole time,
you could hear

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they were firing from inside.

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[gunshots]

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- Koresh was wounded.

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- Not as bad as he tried
to indicate that he was,

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but he was wounded.

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- And so things were kind of
going back and forth.

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[tense music]

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- They negotiated a ceasefire

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at that point in time
that afternoon.

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- I thought to myself, well,

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I'm going to be getting
the 333.

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- And next thing you know,
I'm on a plane.

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- So I got paged that
I had to go to Waco.

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[tense music]

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- Our team sergeant
at the time,

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he said it looks like
we're going to have

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a negotiate situation.

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[helicopter whirring]

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[car horn beeps]

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Initially, they sent us in
to the wrong place.

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They sent us into
the perimeter area,

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where the tactical team
was set up.

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- There are people moving,
and it's pitch-black

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and pretty eerie.

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And so then,
they finally figured out

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who we were and got us rerouted

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to the airport manager's
office.

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And that's where
the ATF negotiator was,

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along with the
Texas DPS negotiators.

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And so we went in and saw they
were pretty well stressed out.

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- Oh, yeah, I can't imagine.

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- My name is Jeff Jamar.

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I'm the special agent in
charge of FBI operations

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here in Waco.

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We're here because David Koresh
and his followers

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killed four ATF agents.

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The area is a crime scene.

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The goal is to
resolve the situation,

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ultimately, in federal court,
with no further bloodshed.

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- We knew that ATF was there.

254
00:12:29,879 --> 00:12:31,924
Legally, they had
a search warrant signed

255
00:12:31,968 --> 00:12:33,665
by a federal judge,
looking for firearms,

256
00:12:33,708 --> 00:12:35,014
illegal firearms.

257
00:12:35,058 --> 00:12:37,277
We knew we had
four federal agents dead,

258
00:12:37,321 --> 00:12:39,714
and FBI investigates,
as you know,

259
00:12:39,758 --> 00:12:41,586
assaults on federal officers.

260
00:12:41,629 --> 00:12:43,414
This is what we do.
We were there.

261
00:12:43,457 --> 00:12:45,458
This was our mission.

262
00:12:45,503 --> 00:12:48,245
We're unpacking our gear,
and there's the sheriff.

263
00:12:48,288 --> 00:12:50,160
And he said, oh, God, I'm so
sorry about what happened.

264
00:12:50,203 --> 00:12:52,466
He felt genuinely distressed.

265
00:12:52,510 --> 00:12:53,641
He was sad.

266
00:12:53,685 --> 00:12:54,947
He said
all those boys got shot.

267
00:12:54,991 --> 00:12:56,253
He was talking about
the ATF folks.

268
00:12:56,296 --> 00:12:57,341
We didn't know
how many Davidians

269
00:12:57,384 --> 00:12:59,038
had been shot at that time.

270
00:12:59,082 --> 00:13:01,258
And he said, I feel so bad.
I was talking to David,

271
00:13:01,301 --> 00:13:04,043
and I thought we were going
to be able to work things out.

272
00:13:04,087 --> 00:13:06,872
[somber music]

273
00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:09,048
- This is every law
enforcement's worst nightmare.

274
00:13:09,092 --> 00:13:10,354
What's going through your mind?

275
00:13:10,397 --> 00:13:11,877
It must have been
very confusing,

276
00:13:11,921 --> 00:13:14,532
not just because of the
logistics, but emotionally.

277
00:13:14,575 --> 00:13:16,055
What are you thinking?

278
00:13:16,099 --> 00:13:17,796
- Personally--and I think
this was probably consistent

279
00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,146
with the team we've got,

280
00:13:20,190 --> 00:13:23,019
you know, federal
law enforcement officers,

281
00:13:23,062 --> 00:13:24,716
you know,
our brothers and sisters.

282
00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:26,239
- Absolutely.

283
00:13:26,283 --> 00:13:29,590
- And you know, I'm thinking,
they have spouses.

284
00:13:29,634 --> 00:13:31,462
They have children.
They have siblings.

285
00:13:31,505 --> 00:13:33,029
They have parents.

286
00:13:33,072 --> 00:13:37,642
You know, this is devastating
for these families.

287
00:13:37,685 --> 00:13:44,605
♪

288
00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,532
- So we came in
and set up our equipment

289
00:13:58,576 --> 00:14:01,448
and got everybody
on the headphones and stuff,

290
00:14:01,492 --> 00:14:02,667
and get ready to roll.

291
00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:06,758
[tense music]

292
00:14:06,801 --> 00:14:10,283
I'd been a negotiator
for only about five years

293
00:14:10,327 --> 00:14:13,330
at the time that this happened.

294
00:14:13,373 --> 00:14:15,462
Although I had
a lot of experience

295
00:14:15,506 --> 00:14:17,073
with dealing with
suicidal people

296
00:14:17,116 --> 00:14:19,727
and at least
one hostage situation,

297
00:14:19,771 --> 00:14:21,512
nothing compared
to this scale.

298
00:14:45,231 --> 00:14:46,841
- Federal agents
continue trying

299
00:14:46,885 --> 00:14:49,061
to negotiate with the group
by phone,

300
00:14:49,105 --> 00:14:52,151
in hopes of arranging
a peaceful conclusion.

301
00:14:52,195 --> 00:14:54,023
- It's dark by the time
we got to the perimeter

302
00:14:54,066 --> 00:14:56,982
of the compound.

303
00:14:57,026 --> 00:14:59,680
Probably a mile out
from the compound.

304
00:14:59,724 --> 00:15:03,249
[sirens wailing]

305
00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:06,209
- The situation remains
at a standoff.

306
00:15:06,252 --> 00:15:09,386
- Myself and another operator,
we were sent out into that,

307
00:15:09,429 --> 00:15:13,651
you know, that pasture and told
to set up a location there.

308
00:15:13,694 --> 00:15:15,566
And we basically
just hunkered down

309
00:15:15,609 --> 00:15:19,657
and tried to set up
a 360 perimeter for ourselves

310
00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:22,268
so that we could monitor

311
00:15:22,312 --> 00:15:23,661
and make sure
none of the Davidians

312
00:15:23,704 --> 00:15:25,402
were trying to escape
from the compound

313
00:15:25,445 --> 00:15:27,534
or attack our positions.

314
00:15:27,578 --> 00:15:29,101
- So Connie, we are
just waiting to see

315
00:15:29,145 --> 00:15:31,756
what daylight brings here.

316
00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:33,801
- In reality, we really
couldn't see anything

317
00:15:33,845 --> 00:15:35,760
until it started
to become daylight.

318
00:15:35,803 --> 00:15:38,719
But it didn't take long,
daybreak,

319
00:15:38,763 --> 00:15:42,897
to realize
this is a massive compound.

320
00:15:45,117 --> 00:15:47,032
If we're going to try
to do any type

321
00:15:47,076 --> 00:15:49,687
of deliberate assault
on this place,

322
00:15:49,730 --> 00:15:52,907
it's going to stretch
our resources to the max.

323
00:15:56,607 --> 00:15:58,087
- Did some bullets
come in your room?

324
00:15:58,130 --> 00:16:00,176
- Yeah.
- How many?

325
00:16:00,219 --> 00:16:01,525
- A lot.

326
00:16:01,568 --> 00:16:02,874
- What was your--

327
00:16:02,917 --> 00:16:04,049
what did your mom
tell you to do?

328
00:16:04,093 --> 00:16:06,138
What were you doing?
- We were getting--

329
00:16:06,182 --> 00:16:08,097
we got on the floor.

330
00:16:08,140 --> 00:16:10,708
- Were you scared?
- Yeah.

331
00:16:10,751 --> 00:16:14,842
- The children were always
paramount in our concerns.

332
00:16:14,886 --> 00:16:16,931
We wanted to get the kids
out of there.

333
00:16:16,975 --> 00:16:19,673
- That was a big question
among the operators.

334
00:16:19,717 --> 00:16:22,459
Are there hostages
involved here?

335
00:16:22,502 --> 00:16:25,331
From our perspective,
the children are the hostages.

336
00:16:25,375 --> 00:16:27,725
'Cause they don't
have a choice.

337
00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:31,816
- A lot of beliefs people have
may seem abnormal

338
00:16:31,859 --> 00:16:33,774
and sort of strange
to other people.

339
00:16:33,818 --> 00:16:36,734
But that doesn't mean
that it's not right, though.

340
00:16:36,777 --> 00:16:42,087
♪

341
00:16:42,131 --> 00:16:45,438
[indistinct radio chatter]

342
00:16:45,482 --> 00:16:48,137
- A cult compound
near the city of Waco

343
00:16:48,180 --> 00:16:50,922
is surrounded by hundreds
of law enforcement officers

344
00:16:50,965 --> 00:16:53,664
almost a day after
four federal agents

345
00:16:53,707 --> 00:16:55,013
were killed in a shootout.

346
00:16:57,537 --> 00:17:00,192
- There was rumors that
there may have been tunnels

347
00:17:00,236 --> 00:17:01,672
coming out of the compound.

348
00:17:01,715 --> 00:17:02,847
We didn't know where
those tunnels led to

349
00:17:02,890 --> 00:17:05,066
and where they came out.

350
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:08,026
They had an arsenal of weapons.

351
00:17:08,070 --> 00:17:11,638
.223-caliber AR-15
that have been converted

352
00:17:11,681 --> 00:17:15,251
to fully automatic
shoulder weapons.

353
00:17:15,294 --> 00:17:18,862
And then, the one that
really concerned us was--

354
00:17:18,906 --> 00:17:21,300
- .50-caliber sniper rifles,

355
00:17:21,343 --> 00:17:23,215
which could shoot about
a mile, accurately.

356
00:17:23,258 --> 00:17:27,698
They were actually used in
the Iraq War for sniper kills.

357
00:17:27,741 --> 00:17:29,091
And they had used them
against the ATF,

358
00:17:29,134 --> 00:17:30,701
and they're very
deadly weapons.

359
00:17:30,744 --> 00:17:33,486
And you're not going
to get wounded by that.

360
00:17:33,530 --> 00:17:34,531
You're going to die
if it hits you.

361
00:17:37,664 --> 00:17:38,839
- You know, the way
we were positioned

362
00:17:38,883 --> 00:17:41,277
around the compound,

363
00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,627
there initially were two,

364
00:17:43,670 --> 00:17:45,890
we would call
"sniper-observer positions."

365
00:17:45,933 --> 00:17:48,153
And one was what we
called the Sierra One,

366
00:17:48,197 --> 00:17:51,330
and the other was what
we called the Sierra Two.

367
00:17:51,374 --> 00:17:53,550
Then, in support of
those sniper teams,

368
00:17:53,593 --> 00:17:55,943
we had our assault teams, and
there were two assault teams

369
00:17:55,987 --> 00:17:59,121
at each of those Sierra One
and Sierra Two positions

370
00:17:59,164 --> 00:18:01,906
to provide protection
to the snipers

371
00:18:01,949 --> 00:18:04,561
in case they were rushed
or something happened.

372
00:18:04,604 --> 00:18:07,520
[helicopters whirring]

373
00:18:07,564 --> 00:18:11,698
♪

374
00:18:11,742 --> 00:18:14,701
- So the negotiators, what
do they want to talk about?

375
00:18:14,745 --> 00:18:16,877
- We were going for hours

376
00:18:16,921 --> 00:18:19,053
where he's doing
most of the talking,

377
00:18:19,097 --> 00:18:21,404
where he's talking about
the Revelations

378
00:18:21,447 --> 00:18:22,927
and the seven seals.

379
00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,854
- If we try to discuss
the things that initially

380
00:18:36,897 --> 00:18:39,509
drew the government's
attention to them,

381
00:18:39,552 --> 00:18:42,555
that would tend to firing
Koresh up a little bit,

382
00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:45,863
because he did not want to
be accused of any wrongdoing.

383
00:18:56,917 --> 00:18:58,441
- And as far as
he was concerned,

384
00:18:58,484 --> 00:19:00,834
that was their house,

385
00:19:00,878 --> 00:19:05,970
and that we were infringing
upon their privacy.

386
00:19:06,013 --> 00:19:07,319
- You can argue with me.

387
00:19:07,363 --> 00:19:09,191
You come and argue with me.

388
00:19:09,234 --> 00:19:10,670
You come pointing guns
in the direction

389
00:19:10,714 --> 00:19:12,324
of my wives and my kids?

390
00:19:12,368 --> 00:19:16,459
[bleep], I'll meet you
at the door any time.

391
00:19:16,502 --> 00:19:18,852
- So it is still
a waiting game,

392
00:19:18,896 --> 00:19:21,812
the messianic cult leader
holed up in his fortress

393
00:19:21,855 --> 00:19:23,640
with dozens of followers,

394
00:19:23,683 --> 00:19:25,903
surrounded by
hundreds of lawmen

395
00:19:25,946 --> 00:19:27,600
who say they are waiting--
willing to wait

396
00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:29,428
as long as it takes

397
00:19:29,472 --> 00:19:31,604
to end this confrontation
without bloodshed,

398
00:19:31,648 --> 00:19:33,563
if possible.

399
00:19:33,606 --> 00:19:36,435
♪

400
00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:38,263
- What were some
of the negotiations

401
00:19:38,307 --> 00:19:41,701
that were conducted that
made people believe,

402
00:19:41,745 --> 00:19:44,791
or made the negotiators believe
this might be a success?

403
00:19:44,835 --> 00:19:48,055
- There was a lot of events
that took place early on that--

404
00:19:48,099 --> 00:19:49,709
that we thought
that this situation

405
00:19:49,753 --> 00:19:52,843
was going to be resolved
relatively quickly.

406
00:19:52,886 --> 00:19:54,671
We first started getting some
of the children out of there.

407
00:19:54,714 --> 00:19:56,281
- The bright note
during the night

408
00:19:56,325 --> 00:19:58,283
was that eight of the children

409
00:19:58,327 --> 00:19:59,806
were brought out
of the compound.

410
00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:01,547
- For a couple of days,
he had agreed

411
00:20:01,591 --> 00:20:04,289
to surrender
and have everybody come out.

412
00:20:04,333 --> 00:20:06,726
We worked out
an agreement with him

413
00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:10,426
that he would do a recording
to address the--

414
00:20:10,469 --> 00:20:12,689
his knowledge
of the seven seals,

415
00:20:12,732 --> 00:20:17,215
and we would have that publicly
transmitted over the air.

416
00:20:39,542 --> 00:20:41,195
- It was broadcast, and then
they were able to listen

417
00:20:41,239 --> 00:20:43,110
to those broadcasts inside.

418
00:20:54,861 --> 00:20:57,821
- The plan was
that everyone would

419
00:20:57,864 --> 00:20:59,866
come out and load up on buses

420
00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:01,912
that they were going
to bring in there.

421
00:21:01,955 --> 00:21:04,523
And then they would transport
them down to the facilities

422
00:21:04,567 --> 00:21:08,048
where the other people
had been taken to,

423
00:21:08,092 --> 00:21:10,355
down at
the Sheriff's Department.

424
00:21:10,399 --> 00:21:13,402
- Charlie and Jim, when you
see those buses pull up,

425
00:21:13,445 --> 00:21:15,317
did you get a sense like,
oh, good,

426
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:16,927
this is going to finally
come to an end?

427
00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:18,798
- We were hopeful.
We thought, this is it.

428
00:21:18,842 --> 00:21:20,539
We've--the negotiations
have worked.

429
00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:22,280
Let's get out of here.
We're done.

430
00:21:22,324 --> 00:21:24,151
The rest of the children
are going to be safe,

431
00:21:24,195 --> 00:21:26,893
which was the goal all along.

432
00:21:26,937 --> 00:21:28,504
- As it turned out,

433
00:21:28,547 --> 00:21:31,681
he declared
that he had heard from God

434
00:21:31,724 --> 00:21:33,639
that now is not the time
to surrender.

435
00:21:41,255 --> 00:21:43,910
- And then,
when they never came out,

436
00:21:43,954 --> 00:21:47,261
that all of that
went downhill fast.

437
00:21:47,305 --> 00:21:48,872
- The best thing
that has happened here

438
00:21:48,915 --> 00:21:50,352
in the last 24 hours

439
00:21:50,395 --> 00:21:52,397
is that more children
have been released.

440
00:21:52,441 --> 00:21:54,965
But there has been
a big disappointment as well.

441
00:21:55,008 --> 00:21:57,620
Cult leader David Koresh
promised to surrender,

442
00:21:57,663 --> 00:22:00,971
but then he didn't.

443
00:22:01,014 --> 00:22:05,018
- He says that he did not
fulfill his promise

444
00:22:05,062 --> 00:22:08,370
to leave immediately
with his followers

445
00:22:08,413 --> 00:22:10,937
because God told him to wait.

446
00:22:13,113 --> 00:22:15,420
- When they left
with nobody on them,

447
00:22:15,464 --> 00:22:18,423
we said, OK, we're dealing
with a complete psycho

448
00:22:18,467 --> 00:22:20,164
who's not going
to give up easy,

449
00:22:20,207 --> 00:22:21,731
and it's going to be

450
00:22:21,774 --> 00:22:23,385
a different ending,
unfortunately.

451
00:22:23,428 --> 00:22:25,996
- The dangerous standoff
drags on.

452
00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:29,434
Cult members remain sealed
inside the compound.

453
00:22:29,478 --> 00:22:32,176
Federal agents remain
on alert.

454
00:22:32,219 --> 00:22:36,354
The families continue
their agonizing wait,

455
00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,966
and no one knows when or how
this will all end.

456
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:41,925
[thunder booms]

457
00:22:51,195 --> 00:22:53,589
- We have a slew of people
coming out and saying,

458
00:22:53,632 --> 00:22:57,027
he's had sex with
14- and 13-year-old girls.

459
00:22:57,070 --> 00:22:58,463
- Have I committed adultery
is what you're fixing to ask?

460
00:22:58,507 --> 00:22:59,725
- Have you committed adultery?

461
00:22:59,769 --> 00:23:02,467
- [laughs]

462
00:23:02,511 --> 00:23:04,338
- They knew they were
running the show.

463
00:23:09,126 --> 00:23:10,606
- It was pressure,
like a balloon.

464
00:23:10,649 --> 00:23:12,085
And every day
this thing goes on,

465
00:23:12,129 --> 00:23:14,044
and more pressure
gets in that balloon,

466
00:23:14,087 --> 00:23:17,917
and it gets more and more
dangerous every day.

467
00:23:17,961 --> 00:23:19,789
[helicopter whirring]

468
00:23:19,832 --> 00:23:23,314
- Then, I see, on the red-white
corner, a wisp of smoke.

469
00:23:23,357 --> 00:23:25,490
- We can see flames
from two miles away.

470
00:23:25,534 --> 00:23:28,493
Now, the flames--
oh, my goodness.

471
00:23:28,537 --> 00:23:31,453
- And I'm like,
they're starting fires.

472
00:23:31,496 --> 00:23:32,628
[explosion]
- Oh!

473
00:23:32,671 --> 00:23:33,933
[sirens wailing]