1 00:00:03,002 --> 00:00:05,091 - James Whitey Bulger, one of the most infamous mobsters 2 00:00:05,135 --> 00:00:06,788 of the 20th century. 3 00:00:06,832 --> 00:00:08,529 - I tell you, this case had everything. 4 00:00:08,573 --> 00:00:12,316 There's murder, drugs, international organized crime. 5 00:00:12,359 --> 00:00:15,971 - Whitey Bulger is charged with murdering 19 people. 6 00:00:16,015 --> 00:00:18,017 - He had been on the run for about 15 years. 7 00:00:20,019 --> 00:00:21,629 - Bulger had money. 8 00:00:21,673 --> 00:00:23,153 He had fake IDs. 9 00:00:23,196 --> 00:00:25,242 He had connections. 10 00:00:25,285 --> 00:00:28,027 - The FBI is getting their shit kicked out of them 11 00:00:28,071 --> 00:00:30,029 constantly in the media in Boston. 12 00:00:30,073 --> 00:00:32,379 - I believe that he's on the ten most wanted list 13 00:00:32,423 --> 00:00:35,208 because they're not looking for him, 14 00:00:35,252 --> 00:00:37,167 but they want us to think that they are. 15 00:00:37,210 --> 00:00:40,126 - People truly thought that we didn't wanna find him. 16 00:00:44,565 --> 00:00:46,132 [dramatic music] 17 00:00:46,176 --> 00:00:48,874 - In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 18 00:00:48,917 --> 00:00:52,182 ♪ 19 00:00:52,225 --> 00:00:53,835 Drug busts, 20 00:00:53,879 --> 00:00:56,186 mob stings, 21 00:00:56,229 --> 00:00:58,449 terrorist takedowns. 22 00:00:58,492 --> 00:01:00,277 - Get down! Get down! 23 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,975 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 24 00:01:03,018 --> 00:01:04,019 - Mark it. 25 00:01:04,062 --> 00:01:05,499 - Freeze! - FBI. 26 00:01:05,543 --> 00:01:07,153 - FBI! - Action! 27 00:01:07,197 --> 00:01:09,155 - But they don't know the half of it. 28 00:01:09,199 --> 00:01:10,722 [indistinct radio chatter] 29 00:01:10,765 --> 00:01:12,767 What really goes down, 30 00:01:12,811 --> 00:01:15,118 we save that for each other 31 00:01:15,161 --> 00:01:17,294 when we're talking agent to agent. 32 00:01:17,337 --> 00:01:19,600 ♪ 33 00:01:19,644 --> 00:01:23,169 This is "FBI True." 34 00:01:27,608 --> 00:01:30,568 [tense music] 35 00:01:30,611 --> 00:01:37,357 ♪ 36 00:01:37,401 --> 00:01:41,013 - Cindy Coppola is a 23-year veteran of the FBI. 37 00:01:41,056 --> 00:01:42,754 She worked on cases that included 38 00:01:42,796 --> 00:01:45,060 organized crime and terrorism 39 00:01:45,104 --> 00:01:47,454 and took part in multinational investigations 40 00:01:47,498 --> 00:01:50,240 into drug trafficking and money laundering. 41 00:01:50,283 --> 00:01:52,677 Coppola finished her career with the Los Angeles Division, 42 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:55,593 running two offices, supervising investigations 43 00:01:55,636 --> 00:01:58,770 and providing undercover security for special events. 44 00:01:58,813 --> 00:02:02,687 - So you guys didn't know each other before 2009? 45 00:02:02,730 --> 00:02:05,559 How did this come up that you guys were asked 46 00:02:05,603 --> 00:02:08,213 to be part of the Whitey Bulger case? 47 00:02:08,258 --> 00:02:10,173 - I got a call from the assistant special agent 48 00:02:10,216 --> 00:02:11,478 in charge of the Boston office. 49 00:02:11,521 --> 00:02:13,219 And she flat-out asked me, she said, 50 00:02:13,263 --> 00:02:15,352 "Would you be interested in a temporary duty assignment 51 00:02:15,395 --> 00:02:18,137 to Boston to try and resolve the Bulger case?" 52 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:21,706 - A man so dangerous that he joined Osama bin Laden 53 00:02:21,749 --> 00:02:25,144 at the top of the FBI's most wanted list. 54 00:02:25,188 --> 00:02:27,494 - This guy that's been charged with 19 murders, 55 00:02:27,538 --> 00:02:29,409 he had been on the run for about 15 years. 56 00:02:29,453 --> 00:02:32,891 - Tommy MacDonald joined the FBI in 1996 57 00:02:32,934 --> 00:02:35,154 and earned a law degree in 2000. 58 00:02:35,198 --> 00:02:38,723 He worked with the NYPD on the joint bank robbery task force 59 00:02:38,766 --> 00:02:40,855 and violent crime squad in New York City. 60 00:02:40,899 --> 00:02:42,379 He retired as a recruiter 61 00:02:42,422 --> 00:02:44,250 for the bureau's Boston field office. 62 00:02:44,294 --> 00:02:45,643 - And, Phil, what about you? 63 00:02:45,686 --> 00:02:46,860 - I was getting toward the end of my career. 64 00:02:46,905 --> 00:02:48,776 I liked the case. I knew the case. 65 00:02:48,820 --> 00:02:52,084 And I tell you, one of the things I always wanted to do 66 00:02:52,127 --> 00:02:54,869 was arrest an FBI top ten fugitive. 67 00:02:54,913 --> 00:02:57,394 - Phil Torsney worked for the National Park Service 68 00:02:57,437 --> 00:03:00,484 before becoming an FBI agent in 1984. 69 00:03:00,527 --> 00:03:02,137 He served on the SWAT team 70 00:03:02,181 --> 00:03:04,531 and worked on the violent crime squad in Cleveland 71 00:03:04,575 --> 00:03:06,664 before joining the city's newly formed 72 00:03:06,707 --> 00:03:10,624 fugitive task force, where he worked for 25 years. 73 00:03:10,668 --> 00:03:13,236 - After we both got the call, we talked. 74 00:03:13,279 --> 00:03:14,759 I didn't know him before. 75 00:03:14,802 --> 00:03:16,456 He said, "Hey, you know, we're gonna catch this guy. 76 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:18,284 I'm not going back here just to sit on my ass." 77 00:03:18,328 --> 00:03:20,765 And I'm like, "I'm not either." We knew that. 78 00:03:20,808 --> 00:03:23,985 - I don't think it's common for two, like, violent crime agents 79 00:03:24,029 --> 00:03:26,336 to be plucked out of their field office 80 00:03:26,379 --> 00:03:28,294 and brought to a different city 'cause, you know, 81 00:03:28,338 --> 00:03:30,818 most agents who work fugitives top ten cases, 82 00:03:30,862 --> 00:03:33,821 that's one of 40 or 50 cases on your case roster. 83 00:03:33,865 --> 00:03:35,780 You get pulled in different directions. 84 00:03:35,823 --> 00:03:38,043 This was a great opportunity to come to Boston 85 00:03:38,086 --> 00:03:39,784 and to work one case, 86 00:03:39,827 --> 00:03:41,960 and that was what really excited me about that. 87 00:03:42,003 --> 00:03:43,353 - I could tell talking to MacDonald 88 00:03:43,396 --> 00:03:45,659 that we were gonna be rocking and rolling. 89 00:03:47,531 --> 00:03:49,228 - What was Bulger's background? 90 00:03:49,271 --> 00:03:51,665 What was he known for? - He grew up in South Boston. 91 00:03:51,709 --> 00:03:55,539 Big family. Big Irish-Catholic family. 92 00:03:55,582 --> 00:03:57,280 But he took the criminal road. 93 00:03:59,324 --> 00:04:01,545 He eventually got caught for bank robbery, 94 00:04:01,588 --> 00:04:03,721 goes away to Atlanta, Lewisburg, 95 00:04:03,764 --> 00:04:06,724 as well as other federal prisons, including Alcatraz. 96 00:04:10,380 --> 00:04:13,948 When he gets out, he comes back to South Boston 97 00:04:13,992 --> 00:04:15,559 after a bunch of years in prison, 98 00:04:15,602 --> 00:04:17,735 and he's in the game-- 99 00:04:17,778 --> 00:04:19,737 the Irish gang kind of game. 100 00:04:21,608 --> 00:04:23,958 The Winter Hill Gang, Bulger became a member of that. 101 00:04:26,787 --> 00:04:28,963 He hooks up with some other criminals in the area, 102 00:04:29,007 --> 00:04:30,922 and there's a lot of murders. 103 00:04:30,965 --> 00:04:35,405 There's fighting among several Irish mobs and Italian mobs, 104 00:04:35,448 --> 00:04:36,928 and people are getting killed. 105 00:04:36,971 --> 00:04:38,886 And there's a fight on for who's in control 106 00:04:38,930 --> 00:04:41,367 of South Boston. 107 00:04:41,411 --> 00:04:43,804 - Yeah, back in that time, the FBI's main focus 108 00:04:43,848 --> 00:04:45,980 was the Italian mob-- 109 00:04:46,024 --> 00:04:49,897 having a source, an informant that can report, 110 00:04:49,941 --> 00:04:52,465 you know, real time on the activities of the Italian mob. 111 00:04:52,509 --> 00:04:53,423 And it was a high priority back then. 112 00:04:53,466 --> 00:04:54,946 - It sure was. 113 00:04:54,989 --> 00:04:57,557 Bulger eventually was approached by an FBI agent 114 00:04:57,601 --> 00:04:59,820 and began to cooperate. 115 00:04:59,864 --> 00:05:03,737 And Bulger, I believe, saw an opportunity. 116 00:05:03,781 --> 00:05:06,392 He could help out his end of things 117 00:05:06,436 --> 00:05:09,264 by helping give information on the Italian mob, 118 00:05:09,308 --> 00:05:12,833 get them out of the picture through the FBI. 119 00:05:12,877 --> 00:05:14,052 You know, he was a smart guy. 120 00:05:14,095 --> 00:05:15,532 He knew how to run this business, 121 00:05:15,575 --> 00:05:17,316 even though it was a criminal business. 122 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,926 So there was a cooperation there, 123 00:05:18,970 --> 00:05:20,493 but it sort of went both ways. 124 00:05:22,843 --> 00:05:26,456 John Connolly was the FBI agent for Bulger. 125 00:05:26,499 --> 00:05:28,240 Bulger was influencing 126 00:05:28,283 --> 00:05:30,808 and getting information from Connolly. 127 00:05:30,851 --> 00:05:33,637 And information didn't go like it should have gone. 128 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,378 Didn't turn out well. 129 00:05:35,421 --> 00:05:39,556 - FBI agent John Connolly, assigned to handle Bulger, 130 00:05:39,599 --> 00:05:42,559 eventually went to work for the mob boss. 131 00:05:42,601 --> 00:05:43,995 - Were you ever aware of a case 132 00:05:44,038 --> 00:05:46,650 where there was a murder committed by Whitey Bulger? 133 00:05:46,693 --> 00:05:48,347 Wasn't it your obligation 134 00:05:48,391 --> 00:05:49,609 as a law enforcement officer? - It would be my obligation. 135 00:05:49,653 --> 00:05:51,916 From the very beginning, it's understood. 136 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:54,440 - Did you ever ask them if they killed anyone? 137 00:05:54,484 --> 00:05:57,138 - Well, why would I do that? He was a source. 138 00:05:57,182 --> 00:05:59,402 - He had worked as an informant for the FBI, 139 00:05:59,445 --> 00:06:02,796 but it was the Massachusetts State Police and the DEA 140 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:04,755 who were conducting an investigation 141 00:06:04,798 --> 00:06:07,453 in an effort to obtain a federal indictment 142 00:06:07,497 --> 00:06:10,021 for extortion, racketeering, and drug charges. 143 00:06:10,064 --> 00:06:12,763 - Bulger is tipped off by John Connolly 144 00:06:12,806 --> 00:06:13,720 that an indictment... - Oh, shit. 145 00:06:13,764 --> 00:06:14,678 Yeah. - Was coming out. 146 00:06:17,463 --> 00:06:19,987 He knew he'd had to go on the run at some point. 147 00:06:21,772 --> 00:06:22,947 Bulger had money. 148 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:25,210 He had fake IDs. 149 00:06:25,253 --> 00:06:26,603 He had connections. 150 00:06:26,646 --> 00:06:28,648 And the money's all in cash, 151 00:06:28,692 --> 00:06:30,694 which makes it a lot easier to go on the run. 152 00:06:30,737 --> 00:06:31,912 - He was prepared. 153 00:06:31,956 --> 00:06:33,174 - And all of a sudden, he skips town 154 00:06:33,218 --> 00:06:34,480 once we're going to look to lock him up. 155 00:06:37,788 --> 00:06:39,964 - And eventually, Connolly got caught for that, 156 00:06:40,007 --> 00:06:42,053 the corruption, and that caused 157 00:06:42,096 --> 00:06:43,663 a lot of problems there. 158 00:06:43,707 --> 00:06:46,666 - I am innocent of the malicious charges... 159 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:49,843 - You throw in an FBI agent who's convicted of corruption 160 00:06:49,887 --> 00:06:53,499 right in federal court in Boston. 161 00:06:53,543 --> 00:06:55,632 You throw that in there, and you got a hot mess. 162 00:06:55,675 --> 00:06:58,330 - Boston FBI office paid for it for a while. 163 00:06:58,373 --> 00:07:01,464 - There was a lot of friction between the DEA 164 00:07:01,507 --> 00:07:02,900 and the state police and the FBI. 165 00:07:02,943 --> 00:07:05,816 - Shame, like a black eye for us unfortunately. 166 00:07:05,859 --> 00:07:08,819 - For the FBI in general, we had to catch this guy, 167 00:07:08,862 --> 00:07:12,692 you know, to show the public that we do our job 168 00:07:12,736 --> 00:07:15,695 and get it done no matter what the problems were in the past. 169 00:07:15,739 --> 00:07:18,219 - It seemed as if Bulger had disappeared 170 00:07:18,263 --> 00:07:19,960 from the face of the Earth 171 00:07:20,004 --> 00:07:23,921 except for the alleged sightings all over the world. 172 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:34,714 - When I got that phone call in 2009 from Noreen Gleason, 173 00:07:34,758 --> 00:07:36,542 who was the assistant special agent 174 00:07:36,586 --> 00:07:37,891 in charge of the Boston office, 175 00:07:37,935 --> 00:07:39,327 you know, the logical question was, 176 00:07:39,371 --> 00:07:40,633 "How long am I gonna be 177 00:07:40,677 --> 00:07:42,069 on temporary assignment to Boston?" 178 00:07:42,113 --> 00:07:43,680 She said, "We'll give you three years 179 00:07:43,723 --> 00:07:46,465 unless you catch him before that." 180 00:07:46,509 --> 00:07:50,991 - Doing a case like this is almost like a cold case. 181 00:07:51,035 --> 00:07:52,515 I mean, so what were your first steps? 182 00:07:52,558 --> 00:07:54,168 You guys get up there, and what did you do? 183 00:07:54,212 --> 00:07:55,866 What was your game plan? - Oh. 184 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:57,781 I think Boston was really fatigued when we got there. 185 00:07:57,824 --> 00:07:59,652 I mean, there was no more task force in place, 186 00:07:59,696 --> 00:08:02,916 so they were looking to redesign the FBI's approach 187 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:03,874 to working the case. 188 00:08:08,574 --> 00:08:09,967 - Good afternoon, everyone. 189 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:14,014 Just briefly, we have a dedicated task force 190 00:08:14,058 --> 00:08:18,236 solely to look for James Bulger. 191 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:21,152 Its mission is to locate and apprehend Bulger 192 00:08:21,195 --> 00:08:25,591 and as well as seeking anyone who harbors, aids, 193 00:08:25,635 --> 00:08:28,594 or abets his continuing to be a fugitive. 194 00:08:28,638 --> 00:08:31,858 - Bulger skipped town in December of '94. 195 00:08:31,902 --> 00:08:34,164 He was indicted for extortion. 196 00:08:34,207 --> 00:08:36,515 It wasn't until they got cooperation 197 00:08:36,558 --> 00:08:39,605 from that investigation that they superseded the indictment 198 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:41,389 and he was charged with 19 murders. 199 00:08:41,433 --> 00:08:44,262 That made him go from the minor leagues 200 00:08:44,304 --> 00:08:46,264 to the major league all-star game 201 00:08:46,307 --> 00:08:48,527 in terms of, like, fugitives you got to try and find. 202 00:08:48,571 --> 00:08:50,094 I tell you, this case had everything. 203 00:08:50,137 --> 00:08:51,574 It has murder. 204 00:08:51,617 --> 00:08:53,619 - Charged with murdering 19 people. 205 00:08:53,663 --> 00:08:57,667 - It has drugs, international organized crime. 206 00:08:57,710 --> 00:09:00,147 It has corruption. 207 00:09:00,191 --> 00:09:02,715 Essentially was a one-person crime wave 208 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:06,458 in the city of Boston for decades. 209 00:09:06,501 --> 00:09:08,634 There have been good work done before us 210 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:10,114 by the state troopers, the DEA, 211 00:09:10,157 --> 00:09:11,637 the FBI. - Sure. 212 00:09:11,681 --> 00:09:13,683 - We didn't have to go back and recreate the wheel 213 00:09:13,726 --> 00:09:15,032 with a lot of this stuff. 214 00:09:15,075 --> 00:09:16,947 One of our goals was to knock on doors 215 00:09:16,990 --> 00:09:19,340 and talk to people, even to stir this thing up 216 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:21,081 and take some people out of their comfort zone. 217 00:09:21,125 --> 00:09:23,431 They were truly people in South Boston 218 00:09:23,475 --> 00:09:25,651 when we were knocking on doors that would say to us, 219 00:09:25,695 --> 00:09:27,435 "You're not really looking for that guy." 220 00:09:27,479 --> 00:09:31,091 I mean, people truly thought that we didn't want to find him 221 00:09:31,135 --> 00:09:33,572 just because of stuff he might be able to bring up 222 00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:35,400 about other corruption and that kind of thing. 223 00:09:35,443 --> 00:09:37,620 - I believe that he's on the ten most wanted list 224 00:09:37,663 --> 00:09:40,535 because they're not looking for him, 225 00:09:40,579 --> 00:09:42,494 but they want us to think that they are. 226 00:09:42,537 --> 00:09:43,756 - That wasn't the case at all. 227 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,671 They brought us in to figure this thing out. 228 00:09:45,715 --> 00:09:47,673 - We sat down with the U.S. attorney's office, 229 00:09:47,717 --> 00:09:48,935 and there was a prosecutor assigned 230 00:09:48,979 --> 00:09:50,981 to help us find Whitey Bulger. 231 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:53,418 And we wanted to get a full idea 232 00:09:53,461 --> 00:09:55,638 of the key family members. 233 00:09:55,681 --> 00:09:58,336 - I thought his brother was a politician in that area. 234 00:09:58,379 --> 00:10:00,381 - Yeah, William Bulger, Billy Bulger, 235 00:10:00,425 --> 00:10:03,950 was a really well-known politician in Massachusetts. 236 00:10:06,692 --> 00:10:07,824 - Well, he's the president of the state senate 237 00:10:07,867 --> 00:10:09,390 in Massachusetts, and then 238 00:10:09,434 --> 00:10:12,089 he was president of UMass Boston after that. 239 00:10:12,132 --> 00:10:14,526 So he's a well-known person in Boston. 240 00:10:14,569 --> 00:10:17,398 - Let me let you describe yourself as others see you. 241 00:10:17,442 --> 00:10:21,751 - Autocratic, dictatorial. 242 00:10:21,794 --> 00:10:23,535 Those are the-- - Boss. 243 00:10:23,578 --> 00:10:25,624 - Boss. Those kinds of things. 244 00:10:25,668 --> 00:10:26,930 - Did you guys ever talk to him 245 00:10:26,973 --> 00:10:29,410 as part of your investigation? - We tried. 246 00:10:29,454 --> 00:10:30,803 - Yeah. - Yeah? 247 00:10:30,847 --> 00:10:32,239 - Billy never even came to the door. 248 00:10:32,283 --> 00:10:34,502 Both times his wife did, and she just said 249 00:10:34,546 --> 00:10:36,722 he wasn't at home even though his car was in the driveway. 250 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:38,202 It's one of those things. - Yeah. 251 00:10:38,245 --> 00:10:40,639 - So you leave a card and you hope you get a call back, 252 00:10:40,683 --> 00:10:42,685 And you do. You get a call back from his attorney. 253 00:10:42,728 --> 00:10:44,338 The exact words from their attorney was, 254 00:10:44,382 --> 00:10:46,036 "We're not gonna do anything 255 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:49,735 to help the FBI find James Bulger." 256 00:10:49,779 --> 00:10:54,044 - He's my brother. I care about him. 257 00:10:54,087 --> 00:10:56,350 - There were certain people it was frowned on 258 00:10:56,394 --> 00:10:59,179 to talk to them, but we went in. 259 00:10:59,223 --> 00:11:01,573 We did an interview of Kevin Weeks. 260 00:11:01,616 --> 00:11:02,792 - And who was he again? I can't-- 261 00:11:02,835 --> 00:11:06,099 - Kevin Weeks was Bulger's right hand man. 262 00:11:06,143 --> 00:11:07,579 We went and knocked on his door. 263 00:11:07,622 --> 00:11:09,494 Came the door. Let us in. 264 00:11:09,537 --> 00:11:11,714 - We interviewed Kevin Weeks on a Sunday 265 00:11:11,757 --> 00:11:13,672 at halftime of a Patriots game. 266 00:11:13,716 --> 00:11:16,022 And he was sitting on his couch with an afghan on. 267 00:11:16,066 --> 00:11:17,894 - Yeah. We're up there for an hour or so. 268 00:11:17,937 --> 00:11:21,027 And he described to us a time when Bulger actually got 269 00:11:21,071 --> 00:11:23,813 physically violent with his girlfriend, Catherine Greig. 270 00:11:26,641 --> 00:11:28,731 - He was choking her. - Yeah, choking her. 271 00:11:28,774 --> 00:11:32,082 She's the one he goes on the lam with. 272 00:11:32,125 --> 00:11:34,519 Weeks said, "Maybe something could have happened to her 273 00:11:34,562 --> 00:11:37,348 based on Bugler's temper and this confrontation I saw." 274 00:11:37,391 --> 00:11:38,871 We started talking about that. 275 00:11:38,915 --> 00:11:40,220 Bulger had a violent temper, 276 00:11:40,264 --> 00:11:42,527 and a couple of the murders involved women. 277 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:46,139 - Bulger routinely performed or ordered executions, 278 00:11:46,183 --> 00:11:49,099 some at close range, some with a hail of bullets, 279 00:11:49,142 --> 00:11:51,449 and at least one by strangulation. 280 00:11:51,492 --> 00:11:52,798 - We're starting to think, you know, what if-- 281 00:11:52,842 --> 00:11:55,322 what if she either dies of natural causes 282 00:11:55,366 --> 00:11:57,107 or something violent happens to her 283 00:11:57,150 --> 00:12:00,675 and she washes up somewhere, her body's found? 284 00:12:00,719 --> 00:12:03,156 We start to think that, you know, that's a possibility. 285 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,158 And we need something to identify her if she's deceased. 286 00:12:05,202 --> 00:12:07,465 We have no fingerprints. 287 00:12:07,508 --> 00:12:09,684 She's got no real identifiers. 288 00:12:09,728 --> 00:12:12,862 We have old, fuzzy, grainy pictures of her. 289 00:12:12,905 --> 00:12:15,778 But we knew she had had breast implants. 290 00:12:15,821 --> 00:12:17,823 - Quick note on Catherine Greig: 291 00:12:17,867 --> 00:12:20,521 her background quickly is 292 00:12:20,565 --> 00:12:23,350 very vain about her appearance, 293 00:12:23,394 --> 00:12:26,136 had plastic surgery prior to flight. 294 00:12:26,179 --> 00:12:27,833 - We talked about this over breakfast. 295 00:12:27,877 --> 00:12:29,966 You know, there's serial numbers on those implants 296 00:12:30,009 --> 00:12:33,839 because all the issues going back with failures on implants 297 00:12:33,883 --> 00:12:35,710 and lawsuits and that kind of thing. 298 00:12:35,754 --> 00:12:38,061 If she gets autopsied, 299 00:12:38,104 --> 00:12:40,890 those numbers should be in an autopsy report. 300 00:12:40,933 --> 00:12:43,370 Let's see if we can get those serial numbers. 301 00:12:43,414 --> 00:12:45,372 - We had developed some contacts 302 00:12:45,416 --> 00:12:47,984 that were associated with-- 303 00:12:48,027 --> 00:12:49,942 - The Greig family? - The Greig family, yeah. 304 00:12:49,986 --> 00:12:52,597 And so, we ascertained from them 305 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,557 that she had had a procedure done at a hospital in Boston-- 306 00:12:56,601 --> 00:12:58,168 Newton-Wellesley Hospital. 307 00:12:58,211 --> 00:13:00,823 So we got a subpoena, you know, 308 00:13:00,866 --> 00:13:03,086 to see if that hospital had any records, 309 00:13:03,129 --> 00:13:05,218 and hopefully, one of those record returns 310 00:13:05,262 --> 00:13:08,047 would be the implant number that we were hoping to get. 311 00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:13,400 Unfortunately, we got one return 312 00:13:13,444 --> 00:13:14,880 for a procedure she had gotten 313 00:13:14,924 --> 00:13:17,056 that was unrelated to the breast. 314 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:19,406 So then we decided, you know what, let's hustle here. 315 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:20,494 Let's think outside the box. 316 00:13:20,538 --> 00:13:22,845 Let's serve the doctor 317 00:13:22,888 --> 00:13:25,717 who did that one procedure we know about now. 318 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,241 Let's serve him with a subpoena. 319 00:13:28,285 --> 00:13:31,331 Maybe she got something done outpatient, 320 00:13:31,375 --> 00:13:32,680 not in the hospital. 321 00:13:32,724 --> 00:13:35,074 Unfortunately, he died of melanoma in 2000. 322 00:13:35,118 --> 00:13:36,771 - Ah, shame. - So that was a dead end. 323 00:13:36,815 --> 00:13:38,599 So just on a halfcourt shot, 324 00:13:38,643 --> 00:13:40,906 served a subpoena on the plastic surgeon 325 00:13:40,950 --> 00:13:44,823 that took over his practice in Newton, Mass. 326 00:13:44,867 --> 00:13:46,912 About two or three weeks later, we got the call saying, 327 00:13:46,956 --> 00:13:49,480 "Hey, we actually found records 328 00:13:49,523 --> 00:13:50,524 for Catherine Greig." - Awesome. 329 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,269 - Literally, that's all it was, was a phone call from a doctor, 330 00:13:56,313 --> 00:13:58,228 saying, "Hey, Agent, we got these records. 331 00:13:58,271 --> 00:13:59,620 "She had breast implants. 332 00:13:59,664 --> 00:14:01,274 We have the number that you're looking for." 333 00:14:01,318 --> 00:14:03,102 But on the same phone call, he asked me, 334 00:14:03,146 --> 00:14:04,495 "Do you want the photos too?" 335 00:14:04,538 --> 00:14:06,236 This was a female fugitive 336 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:08,629 that we really had no great photos of. 337 00:14:08,673 --> 00:14:10,109 That ended up being the ticket. 338 00:14:10,153 --> 00:14:11,763 Like, forget about the serial number. 339 00:14:11,806 --> 00:14:13,939 These photos were highly detailed. 340 00:14:13,983 --> 00:14:15,767 - Gamechanger. both: Gamechanger. 341 00:14:23,818 --> 00:14:25,603 - The way we were able to use the photographs 342 00:14:25,646 --> 00:14:27,344 to get the tip we needed ended up being really 343 00:14:27,387 --> 00:14:30,173 what turned the case in our favor. 344 00:14:30,216 --> 00:14:32,175 We decided, you know, we can't just hold a press conference 345 00:14:32,218 --> 00:14:33,567 and put the photos out there, 346 00:14:33,611 --> 00:14:35,091 'cause if Bulger's on the run and he sees them 347 00:14:35,134 --> 00:14:37,136 and he's got money, they'll just take off and bounce 348 00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:39,269 to another location and start all over again. 349 00:14:39,312 --> 00:14:41,706 And she had a lot of plastic surgery done, 350 00:14:41,749 --> 00:14:44,143 so why would she stop doing that while on the run? 351 00:14:44,187 --> 00:14:46,058 So let's get those photos out 352 00:14:46,102 --> 00:14:48,104 to the plastic surgery practices 353 00:14:48,147 --> 00:14:50,715 all across the United States, all across the world, 354 00:14:50,758 --> 00:14:54,284 with the hope that maybe a nurse or a doctor recognizes, 355 00:14:54,327 --> 00:14:57,113 you know, our fugitive and can give us a call. 356 00:14:57,156 --> 00:14:59,463 And we can identify them living under an alias somewhere 357 00:14:59,506 --> 00:15:00,681 and end the case. 358 00:15:00,725 --> 00:15:03,075 So that's what we did. 359 00:15:03,119 --> 00:15:05,512 We took an ad out in the "Sports Illustrated" 360 00:15:05,556 --> 00:15:07,862 for plastic surgery: "The Plastic Surgery News." 361 00:15:07,906 --> 00:15:09,081 - Oh, really? There is such a thing? 362 00:15:09,125 --> 00:15:11,127 There's, like, a newspaper? [laughs] 363 00:15:11,170 --> 00:15:13,390 - The FBI spent a couple thousand dollars 364 00:15:13,433 --> 00:15:15,000 to take out this ad. 365 00:15:15,044 --> 00:15:16,871 This is when we first-- 366 00:15:16,915 --> 00:15:18,525 first had the photos. - Oh, that's awesome. 367 00:15:18,569 --> 00:15:20,788 - We want to release them to the plastic surgery community, 368 00:15:20,832 --> 00:15:23,356 and it went out nationally. 369 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,055 And we got some really good tips. 370 00:15:26,098 --> 00:15:29,319 We got one great tip from Victoria, British Columbia, 371 00:15:29,362 --> 00:15:30,973 which was an area 372 00:15:31,016 --> 00:15:33,627 where we really thought Bulger might be in Canada. 373 00:15:33,671 --> 00:15:35,586 - Why? - He had traveled to Canada. 374 00:15:35,629 --> 00:15:38,415 Safety deposit box in a couple of cities in Canada. 375 00:15:38,458 --> 00:15:40,417 It was easier to get from the U.S. to Canada 376 00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:41,679 once he was charged 377 00:15:41,722 --> 00:15:43,898 than it would have been to fly overseas. 378 00:15:43,942 --> 00:15:47,815 We had a plastic surgeon and a nurse 379 00:15:47,859 --> 00:15:52,342 who worked in the office who looked at that ad and said, 380 00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:55,040 "That's a patient of ours out in British Columbia." 381 00:15:55,083 --> 00:15:57,912 - Wow. - So we flew out. 382 00:15:57,956 --> 00:16:00,567 We went through a whole patient roster and looked. 383 00:16:00,611 --> 00:16:02,830 - You know, we're trying to match pictures we have 384 00:16:02,874 --> 00:16:05,529 with pictures in the files there. 385 00:16:05,572 --> 00:16:08,445 It wasn't pretty, a lot of it, it felt like. 386 00:16:08,488 --> 00:16:09,924 It was a lot of work. - Right. 387 00:16:09,968 --> 00:16:11,491 - It took a long time. 388 00:16:11,535 --> 00:16:13,450 - Unfortunately, we never were able 389 00:16:13,493 --> 00:16:16,496 to identify Catherine Greig as being a patient out there. 390 00:16:16,540 --> 00:16:18,237 - But she had been there? Like, she had... 391 00:16:18,281 --> 00:16:19,369 No? both: No. 392 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,416 - We really thought that we were gonna come home 393 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:26,071 with Whitey Bulger on that trip. 394 00:16:26,115 --> 00:16:27,681 That was a crappy plane ride home, you know, 395 00:16:27,725 --> 00:16:29,596 because that was a really good tip. 396 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,424 Stood out from the rest. 397 00:16:31,468 --> 00:16:33,470 - So you guys are disappointed. 398 00:16:33,513 --> 00:16:37,387 You come back from Canada, and there's no more information. 399 00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:41,043 What do you do next? 400 00:16:41,086 --> 00:16:44,002 - We wanted a reward on her. We had a reward on Bulger. 401 00:16:44,046 --> 00:16:46,091 - Mm-hmm. - There's very few 402 00:16:46,135 --> 00:16:49,051 female fugitives that you see a reward for. 403 00:16:49,094 --> 00:16:52,054 And we were able to get a $100,000 reward 404 00:16:52,097 --> 00:16:55,796 for information leading to the arrest of Catherine Greig 405 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,973 as well as the $2 million that was out there on Bulger. 406 00:16:59,017 --> 00:17:00,540 And the other thing we did, 407 00:17:00,584 --> 00:17:03,674 one of the media people in Boston knew from, you know, 408 00:17:03,717 --> 00:17:06,545 outside work previously about a public service announcement. 409 00:17:06,590 --> 00:17:09,071 The FBI, they'd never done it before, 410 00:17:09,113 --> 00:17:10,593 so we were able to get the funding. 411 00:17:10,637 --> 00:17:13,031 We got some scripts written up--two separate scripts-- 412 00:17:13,074 --> 00:17:14,988 emphasizing, you know, Catherine 413 00:17:15,033 --> 00:17:17,775 and her possibly being in danger, just 30 seconds. 414 00:17:17,818 --> 00:17:20,256 - This is an announcement by the FBI. 415 00:17:20,299 --> 00:17:21,691 Have you seen this woman? 416 00:17:21,735 --> 00:17:24,390 The FBI is offering $100,000 417 00:17:24,434 --> 00:17:27,001 for tips leading to Catherine Greig's whereabouts. 418 00:17:27,045 --> 00:17:28,394 - We emphasized the age difference 419 00:17:28,438 --> 00:17:29,830 between her and Bulger. 420 00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:31,354 - 60-year-old Greig is the girlfriend 421 00:17:31,397 --> 00:17:33,138 of 81-year-old Bulger. 422 00:17:33,182 --> 00:17:35,532 - We emphasized we're focusing on her now, not him. 423 00:17:35,575 --> 00:17:36,794 She's on the run with this guy 424 00:17:36,837 --> 00:17:38,361 that's been charged with 19 murders. 425 00:17:38,404 --> 00:17:40,493 They really wanted to appeal to, like, a female audience, 426 00:17:40,537 --> 00:17:43,017 figuring that would be a female she would talk to 427 00:17:43,061 --> 00:17:46,543 while on the run who would recognize the photo and call. 428 00:17:46,586 --> 00:17:49,459 - Call the tip line at 1-800-CALL-FBI. 429 00:17:49,502 --> 00:17:51,635 - The FBI's doing a public service announcement. 430 00:17:51,678 --> 00:17:52,984 So that's new stuff. 431 00:17:53,027 --> 00:17:54,768 That made the press all over the world. 432 00:17:54,812 --> 00:17:56,466 - The FBI is trying something new 433 00:17:56,509 --> 00:17:58,685 to track down one of its most wanted suspects. 434 00:17:58,729 --> 00:18:00,034 Starting today, it will begin airing 435 00:18:00,078 --> 00:18:02,863 a public service announcement aimed at women. 436 00:18:02,907 --> 00:18:04,517 - Detailing the habits of Bulger's companion, 437 00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:05,953 Catherine Greig. 438 00:18:05,997 --> 00:18:07,520 The FBI produced the ad 439 00:18:07,564 --> 00:18:11,568 and spent $50,000 to buy airtime in 14 cities. 440 00:18:11,611 --> 00:18:13,874 - The FBI's looking for tips to lead them to Grieg 441 00:18:13,918 --> 00:18:17,139 who will potentially then lead them to Bulger. 442 00:18:17,182 --> 00:18:18,923 - It was worth every penny because the media passed it 443 00:18:18,966 --> 00:18:21,055 around and we didn't have to pay for it all over the world. 444 00:18:21,099 --> 00:18:24,058 - So then from there, you start getting tips? 445 00:18:24,102 --> 00:18:25,234 - We're getting tips. 446 00:18:25,277 --> 00:18:27,192 The one we get the next day, 447 00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:28,454 I mean, it's the one. 448 00:18:32,415 --> 00:18:34,721 - So what was the big tip that came in? 449 00:18:34,765 --> 00:18:37,202 - Grieg's and Whitey's photograph was recognized 450 00:18:37,246 --> 00:18:38,899 as a couple 451 00:18:38,943 --> 00:18:41,032 that had been living in Santa Monica, California, 452 00:18:41,075 --> 00:18:42,164 for years. 453 00:18:44,122 --> 00:18:47,517 Right down from the shopping center in Santa Monica. 454 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,172 Not far from the beach. Nice area. 455 00:18:50,215 --> 00:18:53,436 Gave the exact apartment: the Princess Eugenia Apartments. 456 00:18:53,479 --> 00:18:55,742 And they're living there now. 457 00:18:55,786 --> 00:18:57,875 Part of the publicity was 458 00:18:57,918 --> 00:19:00,791 that they liked cats, and dogs, and pets, 459 00:19:00,834 --> 00:19:02,314 and we received information 460 00:19:02,358 --> 00:19:05,839 that a female helped out the strays. 461 00:19:05,883 --> 00:19:07,406 Lot of little things matched up. 462 00:19:07,450 --> 00:19:11,280 And they're using the name Charles Gasko and his wife. 463 00:19:11,323 --> 00:19:13,586 So we take that name, 464 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:16,981 and then you do all these database checks on that name. 465 00:19:17,024 --> 00:19:20,158 The true Charles Gasko has been dead for years. 466 00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:22,029 - So he stole somebody's identity. 467 00:19:22,073 --> 00:19:23,814 Used it. Smart. - Right, so you got a guy 468 00:19:23,857 --> 00:19:27,383 who's living in Santa Monica using an ID of a dead guy. 469 00:19:27,426 --> 00:19:28,688 And that's a pretty good clue 470 00:19:28,732 --> 00:19:30,647 when you're looking for a guy like this. 471 00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:31,822 - So, of course, then what do you do? 472 00:19:31,865 --> 00:19:33,606 You call LA Division? 473 00:19:33,650 --> 00:19:35,260 "Hey, can you check this out?" 474 00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:37,828 - We had a bunch of fugitive violent crime task forces 475 00:19:37,871 --> 00:19:39,264 during that period. 476 00:19:39,308 --> 00:19:42,398 The guy we knew in LA is Scott Garriola. 477 00:19:42,441 --> 00:19:44,617 We call Garriola. 478 00:19:44,661 --> 00:19:47,054 He got his task force, LAPD guys, 479 00:19:47,098 --> 00:19:51,015 and they set up on the place and watched it. 480 00:19:51,058 --> 00:19:53,060 One of his officers on the task force 481 00:19:53,104 --> 00:19:55,541 saw the female come out of the porch 482 00:19:55,585 --> 00:19:58,501 and made an independent identification 483 00:19:58,544 --> 00:20:01,112 that's Catherine Grieg. 484 00:20:01,155 --> 00:20:02,635 And now we're cooking with gas. 485 00:20:02,679 --> 00:20:05,029 Garriola, he developed a ruse 486 00:20:05,072 --> 00:20:08,467 with some cooperator out there to talk to Whitey, 487 00:20:08,511 --> 00:20:10,034 have him come down in the basement 488 00:20:10,077 --> 00:20:12,123 where he had a storage locker down there. 489 00:20:12,166 --> 00:20:14,081 Tell him the thing's been broken into. 490 00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:15,909 And Scott and two or three of his guys 491 00:20:15,953 --> 00:20:17,433 were in the basement down there waiting. 492 00:20:17,476 --> 00:20:19,478 And sure enough, Bulger went down, 493 00:20:19,522 --> 00:20:23,221 and Scott yells, "FBI! On your knees!" 494 00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:26,485 Bulger says, "I'm not getting down on my fucking knees." 495 00:20:26,529 --> 00:20:29,923 And Scott doesn't know it's him 100% yet, I don't think, 496 00:20:29,967 --> 00:20:32,230 but when he makes that statement, 497 00:20:32,274 --> 00:20:35,059 Scott, he said, "Oh, yeah, this has gotta be Whitey Bulger." 498 00:20:36,843 --> 00:20:38,323 And finally, Bulger gave it up. 499 00:20:38,367 --> 00:20:40,107 Garriola asked him, he said, 500 00:20:40,151 --> 00:20:42,109 "Aren't you relieved after all these years on the run?" 501 00:20:42,153 --> 00:20:45,809 And Bulger's response was, "What, are you fucking crazy? 502 00:20:45,852 --> 00:20:48,072 Who wants to be in jail? Who wants to be in prison?" 503 00:20:48,115 --> 00:20:49,987 But you know it's killing him. 504 00:20:50,030 --> 00:20:52,032 It's killing him because he got caught. 505 00:20:54,383 --> 00:20:57,124 They went upstairs and got Catherine. 506 00:20:57,168 --> 00:20:59,083 And they had all kinds of 507 00:20:59,126 --> 00:21:00,824 sort of strange stuff in his apartment. 508 00:21:00,867 --> 00:21:02,956 - What did they find? 509 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,655 - There's rifles, pistols, 510 00:21:05,698 --> 00:21:07,483 you know, mace, different kind of things. 511 00:21:07,526 --> 00:21:09,180 Most of the pistols are loaded. 512 00:21:09,223 --> 00:21:10,877 Fake ID. 513 00:21:10,921 --> 00:21:13,315 He said, "You're gonna find a hand grenade 514 00:21:13,358 --> 00:21:14,838 in one of these things." 515 00:21:14,881 --> 00:21:19,321 He had big water bottles with socks, like, white socks, 516 00:21:19,364 --> 00:21:21,366 stretched out in the top of these water bottles. 517 00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:22,498 - For what? That's odd. - Yeah. 518 00:21:22,541 --> 00:21:23,934 Well, we asked them that. 519 00:21:23,977 --> 00:21:26,763 And the answer is, "I like white socks, 520 00:21:26,806 --> 00:21:28,460 "but they're too tight on my calves 521 00:21:28,504 --> 00:21:29,635 so I stretch them out." 522 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:31,333 We were scratching our heads. 523 00:21:31,376 --> 00:21:33,813 He had tons of stuff in the apartment, some strange stuff. 524 00:21:35,989 --> 00:21:40,472 Bulger told Scott where the money was--800 grand, cash. 525 00:21:40,516 --> 00:21:42,909 Behind this mirror, behind this picture, 526 00:21:42,953 --> 00:21:44,607 all drywalled in. 527 00:21:44,650 --> 00:21:47,000 Cut it out, and there's just stacks and stacks 528 00:21:47,044 --> 00:21:48,785 and stacks of cash there. 529 00:21:48,828 --> 00:21:50,395 He had drug money 530 00:21:50,439 --> 00:21:51,701 from the '70s and '80s. - Of course. 531 00:21:53,790 --> 00:21:55,879 - But he told Catherine, "This is it." 532 00:21:55,922 --> 00:21:57,968 And it was it. 533 00:21:58,011 --> 00:22:00,274 It was the end for him anyway. 534 00:22:02,886 --> 00:22:06,542 - One of the most infamous mobsters of the 20th century 535 00:22:06,585 --> 00:22:08,805 was finally brought to justice today. 536 00:22:08,848 --> 00:22:12,069 Whitey Bulger is charged with murdering 19 people 537 00:22:12,112 --> 00:22:14,463 as head of Boston's Irish mob. 538 00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:19,163 - You brought in a team of FBI agents. 539 00:22:19,206 --> 00:22:21,121 We worked the crap out of the case. 540 00:22:21,165 --> 00:22:23,167 And we came up with some innovative ways 541 00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:26,431 to try and find this guy, and it worked. 542 00:22:26,475 --> 00:22:28,302 - You know, I talked to him at length, 543 00:22:28,346 --> 00:22:31,349 and he told me, "My biggest fear when I was on the run 544 00:22:31,393 --> 00:22:33,177 "was that I didn't wanna die in bed. 545 00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:35,962 "If I got sick, cancer, or something like that, 546 00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:37,877 "I was gonna go down to Arizona, 547 00:22:37,921 --> 00:22:40,097 "climb down in one of those mine shafts, 548 00:22:40,140 --> 00:22:42,534 "and just die in the bottom, way back, somewhere else, 549 00:22:42,578 --> 00:22:44,971 hoping you guys never find me looking for me." 550 00:22:45,015 --> 00:22:46,886 - Really? It'd be like another Hoffa. 551 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:48,888 Looking for the body. - Yeah, he would've loved that. 552 00:23:44,509 --> 00:23:45,510 - There were times working the case 553 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:47,120 where, yeah, we'd say, 554 00:23:47,164 --> 00:23:49,383 "Man, are they just happy indicting this guy in Boston?" 555 00:23:49,427 --> 00:23:50,820 Like, don't they want to frickin' catch him? 556 00:23:50,863 --> 00:23:53,649 Like, the FBI is getting the shit kicked out of them 557 00:23:53,692 --> 00:23:55,477 constantly in the media in Boston. 558 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,826 Constantly. - Yeah. 559 00:23:56,869 --> 00:23:57,827 - And here we come to town, and we're like, 560 00:23:57,870 --> 00:23:59,176 wow, the bureau's the only one 561 00:23:59,219 --> 00:24:01,178 really trying to do something to find this guy. 562 00:24:01,221 --> 00:24:03,093 And that's exactly what happened. 563 00:24:03,136 --> 00:24:06,488 The stuff the FBI did led to the location of this fugitive, 564 00:24:06,531 --> 00:24:08,794 and he came back on the FBI jet to Boston. 565 00:24:15,453 --> 00:24:18,369 [dramatic music] 566 00:24:18,412 --> 00:24:25,332 ♪