1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,135 - [screaming] 2 00:00:05,178 --> 00:00:07,528 - Cold-blooded murder in front of those kids. 3 00:00:12,316 --> 00:00:15,841 - In the 911 call, Dykes directs law enforcement. 4 00:00:15,884 --> 00:00:17,408 He says he has a hostage. 5 00:00:25,807 --> 00:00:27,331 - If they could get a clear shot on Dykes, 6 00:00:27,374 --> 00:00:29,159 it had to be a kill shot. 7 00:00:29,202 --> 00:00:32,423 - Dykes wasn't getting what he wanted, and time was ticking. 8 00:00:36,557 --> 00:00:38,342 - This guy's already committed a homicide. 9 00:00:38,385 --> 00:00:43,129 I have no reason to think that he wouldn't do it again. 10 00:00:43,173 --> 00:00:46,959 - He has been like a time bomb waiting to go off. 11 00:00:54,532 --> 00:00:56,316 - He was losing patience with Ethan. 12 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,231 That was really concerning as well. 13 00:00:58,275 --> 00:01:00,929 - The Alabama hostage drama is now in its seventh day. 14 00:01:00,973 --> 00:01:04,019 Dykes remains underground with his five-year-old captive. 15 00:01:04,062 --> 00:01:06,326 - Almost a full week into the standoff, 16 00:01:06,370 --> 00:01:08,894 very little has changed. 17 00:01:08,937 --> 00:01:11,288 - I said, Director, no assumption 18 00:01:11,331 --> 00:01:13,420 can be made that Ethan is safe in his custody even one 19 00:01:13,463 --> 00:01:15,161 more minute. 20 00:01:15,205 --> 00:01:18,207 - We put the gear on, weapons checks, explosives. 21 00:01:18,251 --> 00:01:22,299 - And nothing could dislodge him from his insistence 22 00:01:22,342 --> 00:01:24,170 that he was going to tell that story, 23 00:01:24,213 --> 00:01:26,694 or he and Ethan were going to die. 24 00:01:26,738 --> 00:01:31,569 [loud explosion] 25 00:01:31,612 --> 00:01:33,179 [dramatic music] 26 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:35,921 In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines-- 27 00:01:35,963 --> 00:01:39,403 ♪ 28 00:01:39,445 --> 00:01:43,711 drug busts, mob stings, 29 00:01:43,755 --> 00:01:45,496 terrorist takedowns. 30 00:01:45,539 --> 00:01:47,367 - [shouting indistinctly] 31 00:01:47,411 --> 00:01:50,195 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,850 - Mark it. - Freeze! 33 00:01:51,893 --> 00:01:53,025 - FBI. - FBI! 34 00:01:53,068 --> 00:01:54,374 - Action! 35 00:01:54,418 --> 00:01:58,117 - But they don't know the half of it. 36 00:01:58,161 --> 00:02:00,075 What really goes down? 37 00:02:00,119 --> 00:02:02,295 We save that for each other, 38 00:02:02,339 --> 00:02:07,213 when we're talking agent to agent. 39 00:02:07,257 --> 00:02:10,129 This is "FBI True." 40 00:02:14,655 --> 00:02:17,615 [tense music] 41 00:02:17,658 --> 00:02:24,709 ♪ 42 00:02:24,752 --> 00:02:27,277 - We knew the bus driver had been killed 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,366 and a kid had been kidnapped. 44 00:02:29,409 --> 00:02:32,369 He says he has a hostage in a bunker that he 45 00:02:32,412 --> 00:02:36,764 had built on his property. 46 00:02:36,808 --> 00:02:38,592 - So from what I understand, 47 00:02:38,636 --> 00:02:40,246 Dykes wants the reporter to come down 48 00:02:40,290 --> 00:02:41,682 so he can tell his story. 49 00:02:41,726 --> 00:02:43,118 - Yes. 50 00:02:43,162 --> 00:02:44,816 - There was no good news about him. 51 00:02:44,859 --> 00:02:47,775 And nothing, as it turned out, could dislodge him 52 00:02:47,819 --> 00:02:52,650 from his insistence that he was going to tell that story 53 00:02:52,693 --> 00:02:56,348 or he and Ethan were going to die. 54 00:02:56,393 --> 00:02:58,177 - What are you figuring out at this point 55 00:02:58,221 --> 00:03:00,005 about Dykes' personality? 56 00:03:00,048 --> 00:03:01,093 - Who is Jim Dykes? 57 00:03:01,136 --> 00:03:02,964 At his core, who is this man? 58 00:03:03,008 --> 00:03:04,618 ♪ 59 00:03:04,662 --> 00:03:07,230 And we figured out a few things, none of it good. 60 00:03:07,273 --> 00:03:08,579 He was very isolated. 61 00:03:08,622 --> 00:03:10,189 He had no friends. 62 00:03:10,233 --> 00:03:12,539 He lost contact with his family. 63 00:03:12,583 --> 00:03:14,585 He even really rejected his identity 64 00:03:14,628 --> 00:03:16,369 as a Southerner, which simply isn't 65 00:03:16,413 --> 00:03:17,675 done if one is a Southerner. 66 00:03:17,718 --> 00:03:20,765 So that was bad, because isolation 67 00:03:20,808 --> 00:03:23,115 is a risk-enhancing factor for violence. 68 00:03:23,158 --> 00:03:25,683 - One neighbor told us Dykes spoke of making 69 00:03:25,726 --> 00:03:27,641 worldwide news someday. 70 00:03:27,685 --> 00:03:29,643 Others said he was often hostile 71 00:03:29,687 --> 00:03:32,384 and convinced the government was out to get him. 72 00:03:32,429 --> 00:03:35,475 But we've learned Dykes is a navy veteran who served 73 00:03:35,519 --> 00:03:38,870 in the late '60s in Japan and California, 74 00:03:38,913 --> 00:03:43,266 where he received awards for good conduct. 75 00:03:43,309 --> 00:03:45,223 - He had a lifelong pattern of low 76 00:03:45,268 --> 00:03:47,095 to no empathy for others, 77 00:03:47,139 --> 00:03:49,402 which was real bad news for Ethan. 78 00:03:49,446 --> 00:03:51,622 There was a story from one of the neighbors 79 00:03:51,665 --> 00:03:55,452 that he had beat her dog to death with a pipe, 80 00:03:55,495 --> 00:03:57,367 because the dog was crossing his property. 81 00:03:57,410 --> 00:03:59,020 And he told her, if it happens again, 82 00:03:59,064 --> 00:04:00,892 I'm going to kill your dog, and he did. 83 00:04:00,935 --> 00:04:05,200 - He killed one of my dogs, and I had animal cruelty people 84 00:04:05,244 --> 00:04:07,028 out then. 85 00:04:07,072 --> 00:04:09,727 And he has-- as I said, he's been a source of interest 86 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:12,643 for a long time, because he has been 87 00:04:12,686 --> 00:04:15,776 like a time bomb waiting to go off. 88 00:04:15,820 --> 00:04:17,473 - So he's been violent in the past? 89 00:04:17,517 --> 00:04:19,302 - He was violent, but he wasn't just violent. 90 00:04:19,345 --> 00:04:21,739 He was a violent promise-keeper. 91 00:04:21,781 --> 00:04:24,568 Dykes saw people's actions or failures 92 00:04:24,611 --> 00:04:29,573 to act as he said they should, as justifying violence. 93 00:04:29,616 --> 00:04:31,879 In other words, please don't make me kill you. 94 00:04:31,923 --> 00:04:34,534 Our profile was that he is a violent promise-keeper, 95 00:04:34,577 --> 00:04:39,670 and so we must take him at his word when he says, this is it. 96 00:04:39,713 --> 00:04:41,019 ♪ 97 00:04:41,062 --> 00:04:42,673 He was isolated. He was angry. 98 00:04:42,716 --> 00:04:44,152 He had no empathy. 99 00:04:44,196 --> 00:04:46,546 He saw himself as a lifelong victim 100 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:48,026 of all kinds of injustices. 101 00:04:48,069 --> 00:04:50,245 In fact, the term injustice collector 102 00:04:50,289 --> 00:04:52,204 is one that we would use to describe 103 00:04:52,247 --> 00:04:53,553 a guy like that-- psychologically 104 00:04:53,597 --> 00:04:55,207 brittle, rigid. 105 00:05:14,182 --> 00:05:15,880 - So what are the next steps then? 106 00:05:15,923 --> 00:05:19,057 Obviously, knowing the Bureau, what's on the ground 107 00:05:19,100 --> 00:05:20,885 is reporting back to headquarters. 108 00:05:20,928 --> 00:05:23,148 - There began to be a misconception, 109 00:05:23,191 --> 00:05:26,804 I think, in some quarters that he genuinely cared for Ethan 110 00:05:26,847 --> 00:05:30,285 and at a critical moment would not harm him. 111 00:05:30,329 --> 00:05:32,810 - He's told us that he has an electric heater 112 00:05:32,853 --> 00:05:34,420 and some blankets inside. 113 00:05:34,464 --> 00:05:36,988 He's also allowed us to provide coloring 114 00:05:37,031 --> 00:05:42,472 books, medication, toys. 115 00:05:42,515 --> 00:05:44,996 I want to thank him for taking care of our child. 116 00:05:45,039 --> 00:05:47,041 - And you're going to develop what they call Stockholm 117 00:05:47,085 --> 00:05:50,523 Syndrome, named after a famous bank robbery in Stockholm 118 00:05:50,567 --> 00:05:53,961 where the captor and the captive start to bond. 119 00:05:54,005 --> 00:05:57,443 You can see those signs when Dykes asks for coloring 120 00:05:57,487 --> 00:05:58,923 books, for crayons. 121 00:05:58,966 --> 00:06:01,839 He allows the medication to come in. 122 00:06:01,882 --> 00:06:03,493 He's trying to provide for this boy. 123 00:06:03,536 --> 00:06:07,192 So as time goes on, that bond should increase. 124 00:06:07,235 --> 00:06:08,802 - I didn't think that was true. 125 00:06:08,846 --> 00:06:12,240 He had a whole life pattern of no empathy. 126 00:06:12,284 --> 00:06:15,287 So for him to suddenly empathize with and truly care 127 00:06:15,330 --> 00:06:17,245 for Ethan-- in other words, have formed a genuine 128 00:06:17,289 --> 00:06:19,117 emotional attachment-- 129 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,988 that would be a deviation from his whole life pattern, 130 00:06:21,032 --> 00:06:22,381 and I didn't think so. 131 00:06:22,425 --> 00:06:24,339 However, here's the hitch. 132 00:06:24,383 --> 00:06:26,516 I didn't think that was true for Ethan-- 133 00:06:26,559 --> 00:06:29,475 five years old, under traumatic circumstances, 134 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:34,219 was now being cared for by this man in the bunker. 135 00:06:34,262 --> 00:06:37,744 So my concern, especially for a five-year-old like Ethan, 136 00:06:37,788 --> 00:06:41,095 was that he was genuinely forming a bond to Jim Dykes. 137 00:06:41,139 --> 00:06:43,271 And in a critical moment like a rescue-- 138 00:06:43,315 --> 00:06:44,838 Bill and I talked about this-- 139 00:06:44,882 --> 00:06:46,231 he might run in the wrong direction. 140 00:06:47,928 --> 00:06:51,802 [ominous music] 141 00:06:51,845 --> 00:06:53,717 - At one point, he told the negotiators 142 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,329 that he had taught Ethan how to detonate that IED. 143 00:06:57,372 --> 00:06:59,287 So if something happened to him-- 144 00:06:59,331 --> 00:07:03,596 for instance, we fatally shot him or something like that-- 145 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,816 that Ethan would then detonate the IED. 146 00:07:07,557 --> 00:07:09,254 - Now, I don't know that Ethan would have done that, 147 00:07:09,297 --> 00:07:11,778 but the fact that he was teaching Ethan that starting 148 00:07:11,822 --> 00:07:14,389 around day five, losing patience with Ethan, 149 00:07:14,433 --> 00:07:16,435 that was a concern as well, because you're talking about 150 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:18,132 a five-year-old in a bunker. 151 00:07:18,176 --> 00:07:21,309 His behavior's not likely going to be perfect. 152 00:07:21,353 --> 00:07:23,224 So that was really concerning as well. 153 00:07:23,268 --> 00:07:25,096 - Wow. 154 00:07:25,139 --> 00:07:27,272 - Here at home, negotiations are continuing this evening 155 00:07:27,315 --> 00:07:29,492 with the Alabama man who is holding 156 00:07:29,535 --> 00:07:33,974 a five-year-old boy hostage in an underground tornado bunker. 157 00:07:34,018 --> 00:07:36,237 And Manuel Bojorquez is there. 158 00:07:36,281 --> 00:07:38,500 - People who know the hostage say he has 159 00:07:38,544 --> 00:07:40,633 autism and needs medication. 160 00:07:40,677 --> 00:07:43,157 Scott, they tell me he has never been away 161 00:07:43,201 --> 00:07:46,421 from his mother this long. 162 00:07:46,465 --> 00:07:49,686 - We didn't feel like-- based on what Molly was telling us, 163 00:07:49,729 --> 00:07:51,644 what the negotiators were telling us, 164 00:07:51,688 --> 00:07:53,428 we felt less and less confident that 165 00:07:53,472 --> 00:07:55,125 there was going to be some sort of peaceful 166 00:07:55,169 --> 00:07:56,997 resolution [inaudible]. 167 00:07:57,041 --> 00:07:58,085 We needed something else. 168 00:07:58,129 --> 00:07:59,522 We needed an edge. 169 00:07:59,565 --> 00:08:02,002 - We talked to his adult daughters, who were-- 170 00:08:02,046 --> 00:08:03,351 wanted nothing to do with it. 171 00:08:03,395 --> 00:08:04,701 They were very fearful of somehow 172 00:08:04,744 --> 00:08:05,876 making the situation worse, 173 00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:08,139 which I can completely understand. 174 00:08:08,182 --> 00:08:10,881 We did eventually secure the cooperation of one 175 00:08:10,924 --> 00:08:14,232 of his adult daughters to come to Midland City 176 00:08:14,275 --> 00:08:15,755 and be willing to speak with him, 177 00:08:15,799 --> 00:08:18,192 which was very heroic on her part. 178 00:08:18,236 --> 00:08:21,282 - They called and informed me that my dad had murdered 179 00:08:21,326 --> 00:08:23,284 somebody and had kidnapped a child 180 00:08:23,328 --> 00:08:25,373 and was down in a bunker. 181 00:08:25,417 --> 00:08:27,724 And I told them, whatever they needed, because I had a-- 182 00:08:27,767 --> 00:08:30,204 I have a little boy at the same age. 183 00:08:30,248 --> 00:08:31,858 I was willing to do anything. 184 00:08:31,902 --> 00:08:36,167 - What we'd set up was a call between Dykes 185 00:08:36,210 --> 00:08:38,604 and the daughter. 186 00:08:38,648 --> 00:08:39,562 - And that was really tough. 187 00:08:39,605 --> 00:08:42,042 It was tough on her. 188 00:08:42,086 --> 00:08:43,609 She hadn't seen him in many years. 189 00:08:43,653 --> 00:08:45,872 She was worried about all the same things 190 00:08:45,916 --> 00:08:47,352 that anyone would be worried about. 191 00:08:47,395 --> 00:08:48,919 Will I make this worse? 192 00:08:48,962 --> 00:08:51,791 Will I be able to help in a positive way? 193 00:08:51,835 --> 00:08:56,013 - She would have a computer, and he would have a computer, 194 00:08:56,056 --> 00:08:58,755 and she could see him, and he could see her. 195 00:08:58,798 --> 00:09:00,757 Of course, unbeknownst to him, 196 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,889 I would be able to see what she could see. 197 00:09:02,933 --> 00:09:04,587 And the conditions that had to be met 198 00:09:04,630 --> 00:09:06,414 to make this thing successful was, 199 00:09:06,458 --> 00:09:09,200 Ethan had to be away from the hatch, 200 00:09:09,243 --> 00:09:12,507 and Dykes had to physically be in that space. 201 00:09:12,551 --> 00:09:14,379 And if we could have those two conditions met 202 00:09:14,422 --> 00:09:17,382 at the same time, we would have at least reasonable 203 00:09:17,425 --> 00:09:20,385 odds of a successful rescue. 204 00:09:20,428 --> 00:09:23,867 We rehearsed it using the rehearsal bunker dozens of 205 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:26,304 times, full-scale rehearsals. 206 00:09:26,347 --> 00:09:31,004 ♪ 207 00:09:31,048 --> 00:09:32,702 We have a plan. 208 00:09:32,745 --> 00:09:35,618 This was the first time that we were called in, I think, 209 00:09:35,661 --> 00:09:39,186 to brief a director on what our plan was. 210 00:09:39,230 --> 00:09:40,927 - So you were on that call, too, Molly, right? 211 00:09:40,971 --> 00:09:43,103 - I was, yeah. - OK. 212 00:09:43,147 --> 00:09:44,670 - It was in the command trailer. 213 00:09:44,714 --> 00:09:46,541 It was like command-post city, all trailers 214 00:09:46,585 --> 00:09:48,674 and mobile vehicles, if you can picture it. 215 00:09:48,718 --> 00:09:49,762 But it was in the command trailer. 216 00:09:49,806 --> 00:09:51,634 It was full house. 217 00:09:51,677 --> 00:09:54,767 - So you guys each had your own part to say. 218 00:09:54,811 --> 00:09:57,422 And what was your feedback? 219 00:09:57,465 --> 00:09:59,946 - It kind of went around the room. 220 00:09:59,990 --> 00:10:03,602 I briefed what we could do, which was this assault that we 221 00:10:03,646 --> 00:10:06,213 think will take this long, and here's our plan, 222 00:10:06,257 --> 00:10:09,129 and we can't guarantee success on this, 223 00:10:09,173 --> 00:10:10,827 but this is what we can do. 224 00:10:10,870 --> 00:10:12,524 And then we went around. 225 00:10:12,567 --> 00:10:13,917 The negotiators, I think, spoke for a little bit. 226 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,919 And we got to Molly. 227 00:10:15,962 --> 00:10:18,922 - I don't remember what I said the first time I spoke. 228 00:10:18,965 --> 00:10:21,664 And I recall Director Mueller saying, well, 229 00:10:21,707 --> 00:10:23,361 in my experience, patience usually 230 00:10:23,404 --> 00:10:25,058 wins the days in these things. 231 00:10:25,102 --> 00:10:28,192 He appears to be treating Ethan relatively well, 232 00:10:28,235 --> 00:10:30,760 so I think we should hold position. 233 00:10:30,803 --> 00:10:35,025 And we started waving at the on scene, pointing at myself, 234 00:10:35,068 --> 00:10:37,810 doing this, and pointing at the speakerphone. 235 00:10:37,854 --> 00:10:39,420 He put me back on the phone. 236 00:10:39,464 --> 00:10:43,816 And I said, Director, there has been a lot 237 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:48,647 said about Jim Dykes 238 00:10:48,691 --> 00:10:53,434 and the nature of his relationship with Ethan. 239 00:10:53,478 --> 00:10:56,481 His whole life pattern was one devoid of empathy 240 00:10:56,524 --> 00:10:58,265 for other human beings. 241 00:10:58,309 --> 00:11:00,920 For him to break that pattern now and genuinely care 242 00:11:00,964 --> 00:11:03,836 for Ethan, no assumption can be made 243 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,231 that Ethan is safe in his custody even one more minute. 244 00:11:07,274 --> 00:11:09,276 The situation appears to be deteriorating, 245 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,843 and he's losing patience. 246 00:11:10,887 --> 00:11:12,497 I pretty much cut it at that, 247 00:11:12,540 --> 00:11:15,413 and I sat back and hoped that I wasn't going to be fired. 248 00:11:15,456 --> 00:11:18,416 - It was very unusual for us to sort of 249 00:11:18,459 --> 00:11:22,681 be able to speak our mind directly to the director. 250 00:11:22,725 --> 00:11:24,814 And I think it was particularly unusual 251 00:11:24,857 --> 00:11:28,121 for someone to stand up and re-explain to the director 252 00:11:28,165 --> 00:11:30,384 that he wasn't understanding what it was 253 00:11:30,428 --> 00:11:31,908 we were trying to convey. 254 00:11:31,951 --> 00:11:34,475 And she did a pretty darn good job with that. 255 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:35,868 - I didn't have time to be nervous. 256 00:11:35,912 --> 00:11:39,089 I was so alarmed for Ethan's safety, 257 00:11:39,132 --> 00:11:40,655 and I thought I had the knowledge, 258 00:11:40,699 --> 00:11:42,005 so I knew I had to speak up. 259 00:11:42,048 --> 00:11:43,223 And there was nothing else on my mind. 260 00:11:43,267 --> 00:11:44,659 - You did your job. 261 00:11:44,703 --> 00:11:46,009 - I did what I thought had to be done. 262 00:11:46,052 --> 00:11:47,837 I didn't think about anything else. 263 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,664 And I just sat there and waited. 264 00:11:49,708 --> 00:11:51,362 And it felt like an eternity. 265 00:11:51,405 --> 00:11:53,668 I don't know how long it was, but he changed his mind. 266 00:11:53,712 --> 00:11:55,235 ♪ 267 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:56,628 - That's awesome. 268 00:11:56,671 --> 00:12:00,153 - And then he used the words "rolling green." 269 00:12:00,197 --> 00:12:02,416 I didn't know what that meant, but I could guess. 270 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:04,070 - A rolling green means, basically, 271 00:12:04,114 --> 00:12:07,421 we have authority to execute. 272 00:12:07,465 --> 00:12:09,293 - I left that meeting with the director 273 00:12:09,336 --> 00:12:10,468 in the command trailer and just-- 274 00:12:10,511 --> 00:12:12,426 there was no place for me. 275 00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:15,995 I was sitting in this quiet little room in Destiny Church 276 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:18,476 all by myself, really ruminating. 277 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:21,392 I was starting to think things like, 278 00:12:21,435 --> 00:12:23,089 I know there's going to be assault at some point 279 00:12:23,133 --> 00:12:26,266 if an operator gets killed. 280 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:27,877 Am I the one who made that happen? 281 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:28,965 I'm not, of course. 282 00:12:29,008 --> 00:12:30,488 Jim Dykes made it happen. 283 00:12:30,531 --> 00:12:33,099 But I mean, am I the one that did that? 284 00:12:35,928 --> 00:12:38,757 - The Alabama hostage drama's now in its seventh day. 285 00:12:38,801 --> 00:12:41,847 Dykes remains underground with his five-year-old captive. 286 00:12:41,891 --> 00:12:44,937 Manuel Bojorquez is in Midland City, Alabama. 287 00:12:44,981 --> 00:12:46,547 - Good morning, Charlie and Norah. 288 00:12:46,591 --> 00:12:49,289 Police tell us they still have an open line 289 00:12:49,333 --> 00:12:51,030 of communication with Dykes. 290 00:12:51,074 --> 00:12:53,816 But almost a full week into the standoff, 291 00:12:53,859 --> 00:12:57,210 very little has changed. 292 00:12:57,254 --> 00:13:00,561 - So we put the gear on, did the final checks, 293 00:13:00,605 --> 00:13:03,869 radio checks, weapons checks, explosives, 294 00:13:03,913 --> 00:13:05,175 and we got into position. 295 00:13:05,218 --> 00:13:11,877 ♪ 296 00:13:11,921 --> 00:13:14,575 - The daughter, we always hoped that that conversation 297 00:13:14,619 --> 00:13:16,142 would happen and would be beneficial. 298 00:13:16,186 --> 00:13:17,361 - Yep. - And ultimately she was never 299 00:13:17,404 --> 00:13:19,145 able to talk with her father. 300 00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:20,364 - The first part of that assault 301 00:13:20,407 --> 00:13:22,714 was to deliver toys to Ethan. 302 00:13:22,757 --> 00:13:24,150 ♪ 303 00:13:24,194 --> 00:13:26,239 So we brought up the toys. 304 00:13:26,283 --> 00:13:29,634 The deputy brought them up like always, yelled at Dykes. 305 00:13:29,677 --> 00:13:31,549 Hey, I'm here. I've got Ethan's medicines. 306 00:13:31,592 --> 00:13:32,898 I've got his toys. 307 00:13:32,942 --> 00:13:36,075 Dykes undid the lid just a couple of inches, 308 00:13:36,119 --> 00:13:39,208 so he could slide them in and slid those in. 309 00:13:39,252 --> 00:13:41,689 But unbeknownst to Dykes, while we're doing that, 310 00:13:41,733 --> 00:13:44,910 the breaches are setting their charges. 311 00:13:44,954 --> 00:13:49,262 Second thing we did, we had visual on Ethan, where he was. 312 00:13:49,306 --> 00:13:51,525 He was actually where he was supposed to be, as far away 313 00:13:51,569 --> 00:13:54,964 from the hatch as he could. 314 00:13:55,007 --> 00:13:57,923 Right, so that was the first condition we had to meet. 315 00:13:57,967 --> 00:13:59,838 The second condition was, we wanted to lure 316 00:13:59,882 --> 00:14:01,318 Dykes up into the access tube. 317 00:14:04,582 --> 00:14:08,629 We lowered the computer monitor just low enough to where he 318 00:14:08,673 --> 00:14:11,328 would have to come out and reach up to get it 319 00:14:11,371 --> 00:14:13,896 but not so high that it would kind of tip our hand that it 320 00:14:13,939 --> 00:14:16,072 was a trick or something like that, 'cause he's pretty smart 321 00:14:16,115 --> 00:14:17,769 that way. 322 00:14:17,812 --> 00:14:19,423 So I think we lowered about 3 and 1/2 feet, 323 00:14:19,466 --> 00:14:21,033 so he would have to stretch to reach it. 324 00:14:21,077 --> 00:14:22,774 - Mm-hmm. 325 00:14:22,817 --> 00:14:25,777 - We lower the laptop in there, and first thing we hear 326 00:14:25,820 --> 00:14:28,084 is Dykes yelling for more slack. 327 00:14:28,127 --> 00:14:30,260 He says, I need more slack; I need more slack. 328 00:14:30,303 --> 00:14:32,566 The deputy yells back, that's all we got. 329 00:14:32,610 --> 00:14:34,351 That's all the cable we got. 330 00:14:34,394 --> 00:14:37,484 And I can see a hand reaching up to grab for the computer. 331 00:14:37,528 --> 00:14:40,574 And at that point, I signal the breacher 332 00:14:40,618 --> 00:14:43,795 with a slap to his shoulder, and he executes the charge. 333 00:14:46,363 --> 00:14:48,887 [loud explosion] 334 00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:50,106 The charge goes boom. 335 00:14:50,149 --> 00:14:51,672 Our guys run up. 336 00:14:51,716 --> 00:14:54,240 They peel back what's left of the hatch. 337 00:14:54,284 --> 00:14:57,896 Our number one guy, just as rehearsed, 338 00:14:57,940 --> 00:15:00,159 goes down in the hatch with an access bar 339 00:15:00,203 --> 00:15:02,770 that we had developed to lower himself down a little bit, 340 00:15:02,814 --> 00:15:04,294 gets in pretty quick. 341 00:15:04,337 --> 00:15:06,470 Number two guy goes in right behind him, 342 00:15:06,513 --> 00:15:08,863 and he's stuck, right? 343 00:15:08,907 --> 00:15:10,953 Number two guy doesn't disappear in the hatch 344 00:15:10,996 --> 00:15:12,824 like he's supposed to. 345 00:15:12,867 --> 00:15:16,480 Unbeknownst to us, Dykes had a separate trap down lower 346 00:15:16,523 --> 00:15:18,786 in the hatch. 347 00:15:18,830 --> 00:15:22,399 It was probably about six feet down, halfway down, 348 00:15:22,442 --> 00:15:23,922 and it was just a man trap. 349 00:15:23,966 --> 00:15:25,576 It was another set of cables that we 350 00:15:25,619 --> 00:15:29,493 didn't know about stretched across the access tube. 351 00:15:29,536 --> 00:15:32,887 Dykes starts shooting at the guy who's hung up 352 00:15:32,931 --> 00:15:35,542 in the access tube, probably from a distance of 3, 353 00:15:35,586 --> 00:15:37,283 4 feet, right? 354 00:15:37,327 --> 00:15:38,850 He's shooting blind from around the corner. 355 00:15:38,893 --> 00:15:40,243 [gunshots] 356 00:15:40,286 --> 00:15:41,548 But we pull him out. 357 00:15:44,073 --> 00:15:46,684 I asked the medic to look for holes, look for leaks, 358 00:15:46,727 --> 00:15:48,512 because we're pretty sure he's been shot. 359 00:15:48,555 --> 00:15:50,905 And at that point, we're pretty fucked. 360 00:15:54,953 --> 00:15:57,173 - We run the risk of losing momentum. 361 00:15:57,216 --> 00:16:00,002 We tried to get a dog in there, but poor Ella, 362 00:16:00,045 --> 00:16:02,308 who's a shepherd, a black shepherd, 363 00:16:02,352 --> 00:16:03,962 she wasn't having anything of it either. 364 00:16:04,006 --> 00:16:05,833 She couldn't get through the obstruction. 365 00:16:05,877 --> 00:16:07,226 There was bullets flying out. 366 00:16:07,270 --> 00:16:08,967 [gunshots] 367 00:16:09,011 --> 00:16:10,969 We're tossing in flashbang grenades, 368 00:16:11,013 --> 00:16:14,190 which make a lot of smoke, a lot of noise, a lot of flash-- 369 00:16:14,233 --> 00:16:16,801 anything we can do to keep his attention focused on us 370 00:16:16,844 --> 00:16:17,758 and away from Ethan. 371 00:16:17,802 --> 00:16:20,631 ♪ 372 00:16:20,674 --> 00:16:23,329 We hear this loud boom behind us, explosion behind us. 373 00:16:23,373 --> 00:16:25,679 [loud explosion] 374 00:16:25,723 --> 00:16:27,377 And the shots kind of stop. 375 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:31,076 What Dykes has done, he's moved into the IED mode. 376 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,427 Papers, smoke, all kinds of particulate matter 377 00:16:34,471 --> 00:16:38,127 just comes flying out at us as that explosion's going off. 378 00:16:38,170 --> 00:16:40,520 And about that time, the same number one guy 379 00:16:40,564 --> 00:16:43,958 that we had pulled out-- and he just drops into the hatch, 380 00:16:44,002 --> 00:16:47,049 into the smoke, the debris, all that, 381 00:16:47,092 --> 00:16:49,399 drops 12 feet straight down. 382 00:16:52,663 --> 00:16:54,534 Complete smoke and darkness. 383 00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:58,103 Unfortunately for him, he's got his handgun in his hand, 384 00:16:58,147 --> 00:17:01,454 right, which literally hits his arm on the way in, 385 00:17:01,498 --> 00:17:03,195 knocks the pistol loose from his hand. 386 00:17:03,239 --> 00:17:04,978 So-- - Ah, shit. 387 00:17:05,023 --> 00:17:08,418 - --he hits the ground, and he is literally unarmed, 388 00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:10,114 can't see anything. 389 00:17:10,159 --> 00:17:12,160 He lunges forward the first time, gets nothing. 390 00:17:12,204 --> 00:17:14,337 A little bit deeper, and he feels 391 00:17:14,380 --> 00:17:16,121 what he knows to be a child. 392 00:17:16,165 --> 00:17:19,342 He has a small child at home. 393 00:17:19,385 --> 00:17:22,606 And he kind of says, hey, I knew what that felt like, so-- 394 00:17:22,649 --> 00:17:27,350 ♪ 395 00:17:27,392 --> 00:17:29,656 You know, ten years later, I still get 396 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:31,832 a little emotional about it, get a little choked up. 397 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:35,749 ♪ 398 00:17:35,793 --> 00:17:37,664 Let me start again. 399 00:17:37,708 --> 00:17:42,452 So he wraps Ethan up, covers him with his body, 400 00:17:42,495 --> 00:17:44,889 and that gives the number two a chance to get in. 401 00:17:49,285 --> 00:17:52,592 Number two lunges into the darkness, 402 00:17:52,636 --> 00:17:55,465 and he's now hands-on, basically hand-to-hand combat 403 00:17:55,508 --> 00:17:58,555 with Dykes. 404 00:17:58,598 --> 00:18:00,426 They're engaged in this mortal struggle. 405 00:18:00,470 --> 00:18:02,167 He gets one round off with his pistol, 406 00:18:02,211 --> 00:18:03,168 which he had in his hand. 407 00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:04,561 [gunshot] 408 00:18:04,604 --> 00:18:07,041 It's a Glock, so the weapon doesn't cycle. 409 00:18:07,085 --> 00:18:08,565 - Sure. 410 00:18:08,608 --> 00:18:10,132 - He pulls the trigger again, and nothing. 411 00:18:10,175 --> 00:18:11,916 And about that time, the number three guy 412 00:18:11,959 --> 00:18:13,874 is in the fight with a pistol. 413 00:18:13,918 --> 00:18:17,313 And... 414 00:18:17,356 --> 00:18:19,619 that was the definitive end to the situation. 415 00:18:19,663 --> 00:18:21,360 We had a kill shot. 416 00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:26,757 ♪ 417 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,542 Ethan, little Ethan, we extracted him from the hole. 418 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,158 He ended up-- had a small scratch on his leg. 419 00:18:36,201 --> 00:18:39,161 That was it, pretty much, so incredible 420 00:18:39,204 --> 00:18:40,510 that he wasn't hurt more. 421 00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:42,207 - Awesome. 422 00:18:42,251 --> 00:18:44,992 I mean, that could have gone sideways so many ways. 423 00:18:45,036 --> 00:18:46,820 - Yeah. 424 00:18:46,864 --> 00:18:49,475 - FBI agents safely recovered the child, who's been held 425 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:51,912 hostage for nearly a week. 426 00:18:51,956 --> 00:18:56,265 Within the past 24 hours, negotiations deteriorated. 427 00:18:56,308 --> 00:18:59,877 FBI agents, fearing the child was in imminent danger, 428 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,836 entered the bunker and rescued the child. 429 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,187 The child appears physically unharmed 430 00:19:05,230 --> 00:19:08,320 and is being treated at a local hospital. 431 00:19:08,364 --> 00:19:10,409 The subject is deceased. 432 00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:17,373 ♪ 433 00:19:20,637 --> 00:19:23,422 - This is probably the scariest photo of all. 434 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:27,209 Each one of those tape marks is a round impact. 435 00:19:27,252 --> 00:19:28,819 - And your guy was right there-- 436 00:19:28,862 --> 00:19:30,647 - Yep. - --in that area. 437 00:19:30,690 --> 00:19:32,736 - And those impacts are from Dykes shooting up blindly 438 00:19:32,779 --> 00:19:35,304 from around the corner, but he's only literally 439 00:19:35,347 --> 00:19:36,783 3 feet away at the most. 440 00:19:36,827 --> 00:19:38,176 - And he's so lucky. 441 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:39,743 - And he was hanging literally right there 442 00:19:39,786 --> 00:19:42,441 when these shots are being fired, so grace of God. 443 00:19:42,485 --> 00:19:43,399 Yeah, but-- 444 00:19:43,442 --> 00:19:45,096 - Wow. 445 00:19:45,139 --> 00:19:50,014 - Yeah, there's a lot of factors at work there for sure. 446 00:19:50,057 --> 00:19:53,060 - Hundreds gathered Sunday to remember slain bus driver 447 00:19:53,104 --> 00:19:54,758 Charles Poland Jr. 448 00:19:54,801 --> 00:19:58,022 Robby Batchelor is also a school bus driver. 449 00:19:58,065 --> 00:20:02,331 - He laid down his life for the kids on that bus. 450 00:20:02,374 --> 00:20:09,599 ♪ 451 00:20:10,643 --> 00:20:12,166 - I mean, I think for me, personally, it was-- 452 00:20:12,210 --> 00:20:14,647 it was the pinnacle of my career. 453 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:18,172 So I think it was just an incredible act of confidence, 454 00:20:18,216 --> 00:20:22,307 I guess, in the team's capabilities and the crisis 455 00:20:22,351 --> 00:20:24,396 negotiators that that was our last hope, 456 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,268 really, for saving Ethan, so-- 457 00:20:26,311 --> 00:20:31,316 but yeah, the takeaways is that preparation is everything. 458 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,492 We rehearsed that so many times, 459 00:20:33,536 --> 00:20:36,321 and we were ready for anything to go wrong. 460 00:20:36,365 --> 00:20:37,801 We couldn't predict what was going to go wrong, 461 00:20:37,844 --> 00:20:40,064 but we had the tools we needed when it did. 462 00:20:40,107 --> 00:20:42,196 [gentle music] 463 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,156 - Do either one of you know where Ethan is today? 464 00:20:45,199 --> 00:20:46,897 Is he OK? 465 00:20:46,940 --> 00:20:48,333 - He's doing great. - He is. 466 00:20:48,377 --> 00:20:49,987 I do. 467 00:20:50,030 --> 00:20:52,729 I talked to him probably less than a year ago. 468 00:20:52,772 --> 00:20:57,168 And he is just an amazing kid, has very few memories, 469 00:20:57,211 --> 00:21:00,693 some vague memories of what happened, 470 00:21:00,737 --> 00:21:03,870 but he's forever grateful, super bright, 471 00:21:03,914 --> 00:21:06,395 just well-adjusted kid. 472 00:21:06,438 --> 00:21:09,006 And it makes me feel good. 473 00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:15,969 ♪ 474 00:21:21,801 --> 00:21:24,891 - So does this case bring up feelings ten years later? 475 00:21:24,935 --> 00:21:26,763 - Those guys could have died. 476 00:21:26,806 --> 00:21:28,808 Not a scratch on them. 477 00:21:28,852 --> 00:21:31,681 And Ethan-- you know, I'm a parent, 478 00:21:31,724 --> 00:21:34,379 so to know that he's healthy and happy 479 00:21:34,423 --> 00:21:36,947 makes me very emotional. 480 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:39,166 - What our guys did in the moment 481 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:41,734 and no regard for their own safety-- and it 482 00:21:41,778 --> 00:21:43,519 makes me proud of those guys. 483 00:21:43,562 --> 00:21:46,435 And it definitely makes me emotional thinking about it.