1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,570 - It is a full-scale gang war up in Newburgh. 2 00:00:05,613 --> 00:00:08,660 The Bloods and the Latin Kings had become entrenched there. 3 00:00:08,703 --> 00:00:10,314 29,000 people, 4 00:00:10,357 --> 00:00:12,707 and we were suffering close to 20 homicides a year. 5 00:00:12,751 --> 00:00:15,797 Per capita, that made Newburgh 6 00:00:15,841 --> 00:00:18,235 the most violent city in New York State. 7 00:00:18,278 --> 00:00:19,801 - They were in Newburgh neighborhoods 8 00:00:19,845 --> 00:00:21,890 that most people try to avoid, 9 00:00:21,934 --> 00:00:24,241 the places that have been plagued by violent crime. 10 00:00:24,284 --> 00:00:25,938 - We were not in charge. 11 00:00:25,981 --> 00:00:27,896 We had to get out of the whack-a-mole scene. 12 00:00:27,940 --> 00:00:29,289 Oh, there's one there. Boom. 13 00:00:29,333 --> 00:00:30,595 Let's get the--OK, now another one pops up, boom. 14 00:00:30,638 --> 00:00:32,814 - We have 78 indictments, 15 00:00:32,858 --> 00:00:36,166 60 on the Blood side, 18 on the Latin Kings side. 16 00:00:36,209 --> 00:00:37,471 - OK, here we go. 17 00:00:37,515 --> 00:00:39,343 [dramatic music] 18 00:00:39,386 --> 00:00:40,822 - Did you ever become a target? 19 00:00:40,866 --> 00:00:43,999 - I'm in my office and these two agents come in. 20 00:00:44,043 --> 00:00:47,960 Double O's put a hit out on you. 21 00:00:48,003 --> 00:00:49,483 [dramatic music] 22 00:00:49,527 --> 00:00:52,704 - In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 23 00:00:52,747 --> 00:00:55,663 ♪ 24 00:00:55,707 --> 00:00:57,143 Drug busts, 25 00:00:57,187 --> 00:01:00,059 mob stings, 26 00:01:00,103 --> 00:01:01,843 terrorist takedowns. 27 00:01:01,887 --> 00:01:03,976 - Get down! Get down! 28 00:01:04,019 --> 00:01:06,326 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 29 00:01:06,370 --> 00:01:07,371 - Mark it. 30 00:01:07,414 --> 00:01:08,894 - Freeze! - FBI. 31 00:01:08,937 --> 00:01:10,548 - FBI! - Action! 32 00:01:10,591 --> 00:01:12,593 - But they don't know the half of it. 33 00:01:12,637 --> 00:01:14,160 [indistinct radio chatter] 34 00:01:14,204 --> 00:01:16,293 What really goes down, 35 00:01:16,336 --> 00:01:18,599 we save that for each other 36 00:01:18,643 --> 00:01:20,688 when we're talking agent to agent. 37 00:01:20,732 --> 00:01:23,691 ♪ 38 00:01:23,735 --> 00:01:26,912 This is "FBI True." 39 00:01:31,438 --> 00:01:34,354 [tense music] 40 00:01:34,397 --> 00:01:38,183 ♪ 41 00:01:38,228 --> 00:01:42,188 - Kristy Kottis is a 24-year veteran of the FBI. 42 00:01:42,232 --> 00:01:44,930 She worked gangs, crimes against children, 43 00:01:44,973 --> 00:01:47,715 as well as human and drug trafficking. 44 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:49,239 Kottis was the supervisor 45 00:01:49,282 --> 00:01:51,415 of the FBI's threat response squad, 46 00:01:51,457 --> 00:01:53,982 overseeing the Bureau's response to terrorism threats 47 00:01:54,026 --> 00:01:55,201 in New York City. 48 00:01:55,245 --> 00:01:57,421 ♪ 49 00:01:57,463 --> 00:01:59,379 - Hi, Jimmy. - How are you, Kristy? 50 00:01:59,423 --> 00:02:00,815 - Good. It's good to see you. - Good to see you, too. 51 00:02:00,859 --> 00:02:02,469 - One of my favorite people. - Aw. 52 00:02:02,513 --> 00:02:05,603 - Um, Jimmy, tell me about your relationship with Newburgh. 53 00:02:05,646 --> 00:02:09,259 - James Gagliano supervised SWAT operations, 54 00:02:09,302 --> 00:02:12,958 a hostage rescue team, and a mission in Afghanistan. 55 00:02:13,001 --> 00:02:16,091 In 2008, he spearheaded the Hudson Valley 56 00:02:16,134 --> 00:02:18,616 Safe Streets Task Force. 57 00:02:18,659 --> 00:02:20,226 - In the late '60s, 58 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:22,359 my father just returned from Vietnam and was stationed 59 00:02:22,402 --> 00:02:24,361 at the United States Military Academy. 60 00:02:24,404 --> 00:02:26,101 There wasn't enough housing on post, 61 00:02:26,145 --> 00:02:30,497 and so we found a house to buy very close to Newburgh. 62 00:02:30,541 --> 00:02:33,718 And then years after that in 2008, 63 00:02:33,761 --> 00:02:36,155 an incredible opportunity opened up for me 64 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:37,722 to assume a position called 65 00:02:37,765 --> 00:02:41,769 the supervisory senior resident agent of a small office. 66 00:02:41,813 --> 00:02:44,642 [electronic beeping] 67 00:02:44,685 --> 00:02:46,948 And I ended up settling in Cornwall-on-Hudson, 68 00:02:46,992 --> 00:02:48,733 which is just south of Newburgh. 69 00:02:48,776 --> 00:02:50,952 I was also doing some recreational coaching 70 00:02:50,996 --> 00:02:54,217 at St. Mary's Church for the Newburgh Zion Lions. 71 00:02:54,259 --> 00:02:56,262 I was very interested in youth coaching, 72 00:02:56,306 --> 00:02:57,307 especially basketball. 73 00:02:57,350 --> 00:03:02,137 Good pass! Good pass! 74 00:03:02,181 --> 00:03:04,270 Sports had been one of the things in the United States 75 00:03:04,314 --> 00:03:06,185 that had broken down all kinds of barriers-- 76 00:03:06,229 --> 00:03:08,709 you know, color barriers especially. 77 00:03:08,753 --> 00:03:10,537 And I think it's one of the first places 78 00:03:10,581 --> 00:03:13,540 where people learn to work together for a common goal. 79 00:03:13,584 --> 00:03:15,803 One, two, three. 80 00:03:15,847 --> 00:03:17,718 - Work hard! - All right. 81 00:03:17,762 --> 00:03:19,633 So I fell in love with the city, 82 00:03:19,677 --> 00:03:22,636 and I've pretty much had a love affair with it till now. 83 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,204 ♪ 84 00:03:25,247 --> 00:03:27,293 - But then something went wrong in Newburgh. 85 00:03:27,337 --> 00:03:29,208 - There'd always been neighborhood-based gangs. 86 00:03:29,252 --> 00:03:31,297 But there'd never been national gangs 87 00:03:31,341 --> 00:03:33,473 like the Bloods and the Latin Kings, 88 00:03:33,517 --> 00:03:35,432 and they had become entrenched there. 89 00:03:35,475 --> 00:03:38,130 Throughout the 1990s, law enforcement 90 00:03:38,173 --> 00:03:40,219 had great success in clamping down 91 00:03:40,263 --> 00:03:42,221 on the violent criminals and the gang members 92 00:03:42,265 --> 00:03:43,527 in major urban areas. 93 00:03:43,570 --> 00:03:45,223 The result of this was 94 00:03:45,268 --> 00:03:48,358 a proliferation of movement from the gang members 95 00:03:48,401 --> 00:03:50,708 to Upstate and northern territories, 96 00:03:50,751 --> 00:03:54,189 the suburbs, places like Newburgh, New York. 97 00:03:54,233 --> 00:03:57,541 The Bloods had more members. The Latin Kings were smaller. 98 00:03:57,584 --> 00:04:00,587 The major thoroughfare in Newburgh is known as Broadway. 99 00:04:00,631 --> 00:04:03,242 It separates the North End from the South End. 100 00:04:03,286 --> 00:04:06,245 The Bloods had their stronghold north of Broadway, 101 00:04:06,289 --> 00:04:09,161 the Latin Kings owned everything to the south. 102 00:04:09,204 --> 00:04:11,468 They were very, very territorial. 103 00:04:11,511 --> 00:04:13,557 And I think there was a certain belief in Newburgh 104 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:14,993 that the federal government 105 00:04:15,036 --> 00:04:16,646 would never pay attention to them. 106 00:04:16,690 --> 00:04:18,430 - They were looking for ideas that 107 00:04:18,475 --> 00:04:20,607 could help stem the recent surge of gang violence 108 00:04:20,651 --> 00:04:21,869 and murder in the city. 109 00:04:21,913 --> 00:04:23,349 - I used to ask them, 110 00:04:23,393 --> 00:04:24,872 "But why did you move to Newburgh?" 111 00:04:24,916 --> 00:04:26,918 They said, "Because here, you can have a gun 112 00:04:26,961 --> 00:04:29,224 "and not get in trouble, 113 00:04:29,268 --> 00:04:31,270 can sell drugs and not get in trouble." 114 00:04:31,314 --> 00:04:33,794 - Having lived up there and having been around it, 115 00:04:33,838 --> 00:04:37,450 I knew in 2008 that the city was hemorrhaging. 116 00:04:37,494 --> 00:04:39,017 It was hemorrhaging lives. 117 00:04:39,060 --> 00:04:40,758 29,000 people, 118 00:04:40,801 --> 00:04:44,196 and we were suffering close to 20 homicides over three years. 119 00:04:44,239 --> 00:04:47,068 Per capita, that made Newburgh 120 00:04:47,112 --> 00:04:49,506 the most violent city in New York State. 121 00:04:49,549 --> 00:04:52,552 - And there was agreement that priority one has to be getting 122 00:04:52,596 --> 00:04:55,729 the hardcore criminals off the streets permanently 123 00:04:55,773 --> 00:04:58,384 in order to remove the current climate of fear. 124 00:04:58,428 --> 00:05:00,386 - There was a dichotomy, a distinction, 125 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:04,259 between where I lived and where I worked. 126 00:05:04,303 --> 00:05:06,958 The Newburgh case brought those two things colliding together, 127 00:05:07,001 --> 00:05:08,394 where all of a sudden 128 00:05:08,438 --> 00:05:12,833 where I was policing was also where I was living. 129 00:05:12,877 --> 00:05:15,923 And then I had my heart shattered. 130 00:05:15,967 --> 00:05:18,709 There was a young kid by the name of Jeffrey Zachary, 131 00:05:18,752 --> 00:05:21,276 and he was a pretty good basketball player. 132 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,104 He went to South Junior High School, 133 00:05:23,148 --> 00:05:26,717 a kid that made straight As, young African American kid 134 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,502 that was going to make it out of Newburgh. 135 00:05:29,546 --> 00:05:32,287 Jeffrey Zachary was the exact polar opposite 136 00:05:32,331 --> 00:05:33,941 of a Newburgh Blood. 137 00:05:33,985 --> 00:05:38,337 Wanted nothing to do with it. 138 00:05:38,381 --> 00:05:42,123 The Latin Kings, in an act of retribution, 139 00:05:42,167 --> 00:05:44,125 because the Newburgh Bloods 140 00:05:44,169 --> 00:05:46,911 had shot and killed a Latin King, 141 00:05:46,954 --> 00:05:49,435 decided to go hunting for a Blood. 142 00:05:49,479 --> 00:05:52,046 Well, Jeffrey Zachary met the description for them. 143 00:05:52,090 --> 00:05:54,788 He was a young African American male. 144 00:05:54,832 --> 00:05:57,748 He was shot and killed, and he died 145 00:05:57,791 --> 00:05:59,663 in the emergency room right across the street 146 00:05:59,706 --> 00:06:01,708 in his mother's arms. 147 00:06:01,752 --> 00:06:04,798 - Jeffrey, or Frizz, as his friends liked to call him, 148 00:06:04,842 --> 00:06:07,279 was a student at South Junior High School, 149 00:06:07,322 --> 00:06:09,020 a good basketball player, 150 00:06:09,063 --> 00:06:11,283 and a kid who liked to make others laugh. 151 00:06:11,326 --> 00:06:14,460 - He was a good young man. He didn't bother nobody. 152 00:06:14,504 --> 00:06:16,680 He had good marks in school. He wasn't in the gang. 153 00:06:16,723 --> 00:06:18,203 He didn't sell drugs. 154 00:06:18,246 --> 00:06:19,552 - It gets worse. 155 00:06:19,596 --> 00:06:21,511 A few years prior to that, 156 00:06:21,554 --> 00:06:24,296 Jeffrey Zachary's older brother Trent, 157 00:06:24,339 --> 00:06:26,603 a member of the Newburgh Bloods, 158 00:06:26,646 --> 00:06:31,346 was also killed and died in the same emergency room 159 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:35,176 in the same mother's arms. - Oh, my God. Brutal. 160 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:37,483 - When I saw that and I cut the obituary 161 00:06:37,527 --> 00:06:39,354 out of the "Times Herald-Record"... 162 00:06:39,398 --> 00:06:41,139 - Mm-hmm. - And I went to go see 163 00:06:41,182 --> 00:06:43,054 Joe D, Joe Demarest, who was the assistant director 164 00:06:43,097 --> 00:06:44,925 in charge of the New York office at the time. 165 00:06:44,969 --> 00:06:46,536 Enough was enough. 166 00:06:46,579 --> 00:06:48,233 We had to put a stop to the killing 167 00:06:48,276 --> 00:06:51,366 and the crime and the intimidation. 168 00:06:51,410 --> 00:06:53,281 - You know this community intimately. 169 00:06:53,325 --> 00:06:54,892 You have a plan. What are you thinking? 170 00:06:54,935 --> 00:06:56,633 - We had to have a strategy, 171 00:06:56,676 --> 00:06:58,851 and so we mapped it out across the three counties, 172 00:06:58,896 --> 00:07:02,508 and we looked at where the biggest gang hotspots were, 173 00:07:02,552 --> 00:07:04,728 and that's where we focused our resources. 174 00:07:04,771 --> 00:07:07,861 I think a big piece of what I saw over in Afghanistan 175 00:07:07,905 --> 00:07:11,386 was the surge strategy employed by people 176 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:13,258 like General Petraeus and General McChrystal 177 00:07:13,301 --> 00:07:14,868 in Iraq and Afghanistan. 178 00:07:14,912 --> 00:07:17,175 You're not going to crush the insurgency 179 00:07:17,218 --> 00:07:19,525 unless you commit additional resources. 180 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:22,441 And I'm not comparing law enforcement to the military, 181 00:07:22,485 --> 00:07:24,965 but we were constantly playing a reactive game. 182 00:07:25,009 --> 00:07:27,925 We were not in charge. I wanted to be proactive. 183 00:07:27,968 --> 00:07:29,622 And to do that, 184 00:07:29,666 --> 00:07:31,624 we had to get out of the whack-a-mole scene, right? 185 00:07:31,668 --> 00:07:32,843 Oh, there's one there. Boom. 186 00:07:32,886 --> 00:07:34,105 Let's get the--OK, now another one pops up. 187 00:07:34,148 --> 00:07:36,020 Boom. Let's get the--oh, let's go over there. 188 00:07:36,063 --> 00:07:37,630 Let's get that one. 189 00:07:37,674 --> 00:07:38,892 The terminology in the FBI at the time 190 00:07:38,936 --> 00:07:40,546 was disruption and dismantlement. 191 00:07:40,590 --> 00:07:42,243 We wanted to disrupt the gangs. 192 00:07:42,287 --> 00:07:44,594 That's easy to do, make a few arrests, it disrupts them. 193 00:07:44,637 --> 00:07:46,987 We wanted to dismantle them. 194 00:07:47,031 --> 00:07:49,512 I wanted to try to put together a case 195 00:07:49,555 --> 00:07:53,211 where the young soldiers in the Latin Kings and the Bloods, 196 00:07:53,254 --> 00:07:54,952 the ones that were selling the dope, 197 00:07:54,995 --> 00:07:57,476 doing the extortions, doing the assaults, 198 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:58,912 doing the murders, 199 00:07:58,956 --> 00:08:01,045 that we would be able to bring this up 200 00:08:01,088 --> 00:08:02,960 to the people at the top. 201 00:08:03,003 --> 00:08:04,918 And the people on the top of the Bloods was 202 00:08:04,962 --> 00:08:07,399 a guy by the name of Anthony Double O, 203 00:08:07,442 --> 00:08:09,270 which was his nickname, Boykin, 204 00:08:09,314 --> 00:08:13,666 and for the Latin Kings was Wilson "King Gunz" Pagan. 205 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:17,452 And so that's how it started. 206 00:08:17,496 --> 00:08:19,237 - You know the people, the players, the landscape. 207 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,499 What's your plan? 208 00:08:20,543 --> 00:08:22,675 How do you go about bringing down 209 00:08:22,719 --> 00:08:25,286 not just one gang, but two? 210 00:08:25,330 --> 00:08:27,462 - Well, I'd spent part of the early '90s 211 00:08:27,506 --> 00:08:29,073 working on the Gambino crime squad, 212 00:08:29,116 --> 00:08:30,944 C-16, out in Queens... - Mm-hmm. 213 00:08:30,988 --> 00:08:32,554 - When the John Gotti case came down. 214 00:08:32,597 --> 00:08:34,991 And I saw how effective RICO, 215 00:08:35,034 --> 00:08:37,168 the Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organization Act, 216 00:08:37,211 --> 00:08:39,909 was at getting to the top. 217 00:08:39,952 --> 00:08:41,781 You can't go after the kingpins 218 00:08:41,825 --> 00:08:43,390 if they're not doing the shootings, 219 00:08:43,435 --> 00:08:44,915 if they're not selling the drugs. 220 00:08:44,958 --> 00:08:47,918 They're not putting their fingerprints on anything. 221 00:08:47,961 --> 00:08:49,484 And yet, they're the ones that direct it, 222 00:08:49,528 --> 00:08:52,313 they're the ones that send people out into harm's way 223 00:08:52,357 --> 00:08:53,880 to commit acts of violence. 224 00:08:53,924 --> 00:08:55,012 How do you get to them? 225 00:08:55,055 --> 00:08:58,189 ♪ 226 00:08:58,232 --> 00:09:00,800 I couldn't get into the gangs 227 00:09:00,844 --> 00:09:02,715 and watch them commit a homicide, 228 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:03,803 not that I would allow it to happen... 229 00:09:03,847 --> 00:09:05,457 - Yes. 230 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:06,501 - But I couldn't watch that and collect the evidence 231 00:09:06,545 --> 00:09:07,894 and then prosecute them for that. 232 00:09:07,938 --> 00:09:10,288 I couldn't get that type of stuff. 233 00:09:10,331 --> 00:09:13,030 The only way that there was an opportunity for us 234 00:09:13,073 --> 00:09:15,815 to make inroads into these violent street gangs 235 00:09:15,859 --> 00:09:17,469 was to buy drugs off them. 236 00:09:17,512 --> 00:09:19,166 - You need more than just evidence of a crime. 237 00:09:19,210 --> 00:09:21,212 You need evidence of an organization. 238 00:09:21,255 --> 00:09:23,867 - To make a RICO case, you need two predicates. 239 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:26,304 Whether it's a murder, whether it's selling crack, 240 00:09:26,347 --> 00:09:28,785 whether it's assaults, extortion... 241 00:09:28,828 --> 00:09:30,482 - Shoplifting. 242 00:09:30,525 --> 00:09:32,876 - Prostitution, whatever it is, you need two. 243 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:36,096 But you also have to prove a hierarchy, 244 00:09:36,140 --> 00:09:37,576 and sometimes that's difficult. 245 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:39,534 Now in the Latin King case, they made it easy, 246 00:09:39,578 --> 00:09:41,275 because they put together a manifesto 247 00:09:41,319 --> 00:09:43,364 every one of them kept underneath their mattress 248 00:09:43,408 --> 00:09:45,149 and it basically outlined all the rules, 249 00:09:45,192 --> 00:09:46,803 who was in charge, who the five crowns were. 250 00:09:46,846 --> 00:09:48,413 - Exactly. 251 00:09:48,456 --> 00:09:49,806 - Blood's a little bit more dicey, 252 00:09:49,849 --> 00:09:51,242 but we could still get to it. 253 00:09:51,285 --> 00:09:54,245 It required us to get cooperators. 254 00:09:54,288 --> 00:09:58,597 And to do that, we started by making simple buys. 255 00:09:58,641 --> 00:10:02,688 Not buy busts, but buys of crack, and recording them. 256 00:10:02,732 --> 00:10:05,212 But we didn't arrest people at the time. 257 00:10:05,256 --> 00:10:07,780 We basically started to determine who we thought 258 00:10:07,824 --> 00:10:11,001 would be our best chances for cooperation. 259 00:10:11,044 --> 00:10:12,655 - How are you using this as leverage? 260 00:10:12,698 --> 00:10:14,178 What are you saying to these guys? 261 00:10:14,221 --> 00:10:15,962 - You're looking at ten years for this, 262 00:10:16,006 --> 00:10:18,704 because you might have only sold a few rocks of crack, 263 00:10:18,748 --> 00:10:20,575 but you're part of a bigger enterprise. 264 00:10:20,619 --> 00:10:24,188 You're part of a bigger drug distribution network, 265 00:10:24,231 --> 00:10:26,494 and we're going to hang all of the weight 266 00:10:26,538 --> 00:10:28,671 that has been sold to the Bloods on you. 267 00:10:28,714 --> 00:10:32,109 In the early parts of the narcotics conspiracy case, 268 00:10:32,152 --> 00:10:34,807 we had three cooperating witnesses 269 00:10:34,851 --> 00:10:36,722 that were essential to us. 270 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:38,028 It changed the game. 271 00:10:38,071 --> 00:10:42,075 ♪ 272 00:10:42,119 --> 00:10:44,687 One particular night, where this kind of brought 273 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:46,514 everything together for me, 274 00:10:46,558 --> 00:10:50,388 where I really looked at it and my worlds were colliding. 275 00:10:50,431 --> 00:10:52,433 I had basketball practice that night, 276 00:10:52,477 --> 00:10:55,306 I believe at 7:00 or 7:30, at the Boys and Girls Club. 277 00:10:55,349 --> 00:10:58,744 At 6:00, we were supposed to make a buy from-- 278 00:10:58,788 --> 00:11:01,878 and this was actually powder cocaine. 279 00:11:01,921 --> 00:11:04,402 It's going to be on the same street 280 00:11:04,445 --> 00:11:06,143 where I'm going to be at the Boys and Girls Club 281 00:11:06,186 --> 00:11:07,448 a few hours later. 282 00:11:07,492 --> 00:11:10,364 And a kid comes out of the building 283 00:11:10,408 --> 00:11:11,888 that we knew that he was-- 284 00:11:11,931 --> 00:11:14,107 the target was going to be coming from. 285 00:11:14,151 --> 00:11:16,501 But it wasn't the target. 286 00:11:16,544 --> 00:11:19,939 He was a kid who was working for the target, 287 00:11:19,983 --> 00:11:23,943 a kid who was also a member of the Newburgh Bloods, 288 00:11:23,987 --> 00:11:27,164 and a kid that I had coached... 289 00:11:27,207 --> 00:11:29,906 - Oh. - Basketball in Newburgh. 290 00:11:29,949 --> 00:11:31,908 ♪ 291 00:11:31,951 --> 00:11:34,432 He walks down the street, 292 00:11:34,475 --> 00:11:36,216 and I had my hand over my face like this. 293 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:39,089 And I'm like, "It can't be him." 294 00:11:39,132 --> 00:11:41,308 He gets in the car with the undercover, 295 00:11:41,352 --> 00:11:44,311 makes the exchange, gets the money, 296 00:11:44,355 --> 00:11:46,313 gets out, goes back in the building, 297 00:11:46,357 --> 00:11:48,794 has zero idea he's been made, 298 00:11:48,838 --> 00:11:52,798 has zero idea his life is now irrevocably changed. 299 00:11:52,842 --> 00:11:56,019 ♪ 300 00:11:56,062 --> 00:11:58,325 - Jimmy, because of your familiarity in the community 301 00:11:58,369 --> 00:12:00,806 and their familiarity with you, what about your safety factor? 302 00:12:00,850 --> 00:12:02,199 Did you ever become a target? 303 00:12:02,242 --> 00:12:04,505 Did they ever start to hone in on, 304 00:12:04,549 --> 00:12:07,160 hey, Coach Gagliano, he's, like, you know, a problem? 305 00:12:07,204 --> 00:12:09,032 - I'm at work and I'm in my office, 306 00:12:09,075 --> 00:12:13,819 and these two agents come in, male and female agents. 307 00:12:13,863 --> 00:12:15,473 "Double O's put a hit out on you." 308 00:12:22,045 --> 00:12:23,611 - So next thing you know, 309 00:12:23,655 --> 00:12:24,830 I get a phone call from Joe Demarest, 310 00:12:24,874 --> 00:12:26,092 the assistant director in charge 311 00:12:26,136 --> 00:12:27,572 of the New York office at the time. 312 00:12:27,615 --> 00:12:28,747 And he says to me, "Jimmy, what the hell's going on?" 313 00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:30,357 I explained what happened. 314 00:12:30,401 --> 00:12:32,490 He goes, "Jimmy, I got to pull you out of there." 315 00:12:32,533 --> 00:12:33,926 I said, "What are you talking about?" 316 00:12:33,970 --> 00:12:35,580 He goes, "Got to pull you out of there." 317 00:12:35,623 --> 00:12:37,016 "You're going to move me, right? 318 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:38,757 "You're not going to move me far away from my family, 319 00:12:38,801 --> 00:12:40,715 "but you're going to move me to another office. 320 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:43,414 You're not going to stop me from coaching in Newburgh." 321 00:12:43,457 --> 00:12:44,850 I said, "So what you're doing is you're 322 00:12:44,894 --> 00:12:46,373 "taking the gun off my belt, 323 00:12:46,417 --> 00:12:48,114 "because I go into town every night, 324 00:12:48,158 --> 00:12:50,421 "I go there every night that I'm coaching. 325 00:12:50,464 --> 00:12:53,816 "So you're going to take the gun off my hip during the day. 326 00:12:53,859 --> 00:12:55,339 "Not going to change anything. 327 00:12:55,382 --> 00:12:56,557 Joe, I'm not putting my house on the market." 328 00:12:56,601 --> 00:12:57,950 - Right. 329 00:12:57,994 --> 00:12:59,125 - And so as a result of that, you know, 330 00:12:59,169 --> 00:13:00,910 I have great respect for Mr. Demarest. 331 00:13:00,953 --> 00:13:02,563 And he said, "All right, well, 332 00:13:02,607 --> 00:13:04,130 "you're being hardheaded about this, 333 00:13:04,174 --> 00:13:05,740 "but I understand your position. 334 00:13:05,784 --> 00:13:07,786 But we are going to take some precautions at your house." 335 00:13:07,830 --> 00:13:10,006 And I won't go into the details of what they did, 336 00:13:10,049 --> 00:13:12,704 but they did enough that it satisfied 337 00:13:12,747 --> 00:13:17,274 the Security Division that I would be OK where I was. 338 00:13:17,317 --> 00:13:19,102 And I went back to work. 339 00:13:19,145 --> 00:13:21,626 [tense music] 340 00:13:21,669 --> 00:13:23,236 ♪ 341 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,458 Shortly after Double O had put this hit out there 342 00:13:27,501 --> 00:13:29,634 and made me a quote-unquote "marked man," 343 00:13:29,677 --> 00:13:34,987 we had a bit of fortuitous events that took place. 344 00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:39,905 I am home one night watching TV in bed and my phone goes off, 345 00:13:39,949 --> 00:13:41,951 and it's a detective in Newburgh. 346 00:13:41,994 --> 00:13:44,388 "Hey boss, you'd better come in as quickly as you can. 347 00:13:44,431 --> 00:13:47,565 We got Double O." 348 00:13:47,608 --> 00:13:49,262 And I said, "What are you talking about? 349 00:13:49,306 --> 00:13:51,177 We're still building this case. What happened?" 350 00:13:51,221 --> 00:13:53,745 "Boss, they collared him with a pistol." 351 00:13:53,788 --> 00:13:57,140 And I said, "Game, set, match." 352 00:13:57,183 --> 00:13:59,925 - Yeah. - Here we go. 353 00:13:59,969 --> 00:14:01,927 And I come in and he's sitting there. 354 00:14:01,971 --> 00:14:04,712 And I walk in and he looks at me and smiles. 355 00:14:04,756 --> 00:14:07,890 And I sat down, and our eyes met. 356 00:14:07,933 --> 00:14:12,938 And I said, "Wo we finally meet like this." 357 00:14:12,982 --> 00:14:15,854 So I spent a number of hours speaking with him. 358 00:14:15,898 --> 00:14:17,900 He was a tough nut, and he wasn't going to 359 00:14:17,943 --> 00:14:20,990 open up too much or admit to anything. 360 00:14:21,033 --> 00:14:22,905 He thought that he'd be out. 361 00:14:22,948 --> 00:14:25,603 He didn't understand being arrested with an illegal gun, 362 00:14:25,646 --> 00:14:28,432 it was going to allow us to have him in jail, 363 00:14:28,475 --> 00:14:30,825 which took the pressure off of me 364 00:14:30,869 --> 00:14:32,001 from the hit that had been put out, 365 00:14:32,044 --> 00:14:33,263 because now he's in jail. 366 00:14:33,306 --> 00:14:34,655 Couldn't tell him what was coming. 367 00:14:34,699 --> 00:14:36,440 - Right. 368 00:14:36,483 --> 00:14:39,051 - Wanted to sit there and say, "Pal, you have no idea," 369 00:14:39,095 --> 00:14:41,227 but you know, the wrath of God is 370 00:14:41,271 --> 00:14:43,751 about to come down upon the Bloods and the Latin Kings. 371 00:14:43,795 --> 00:14:44,665 - That's right. Hell will rain down. 372 00:14:44,708 --> 00:14:46,276 - Yes. 373 00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:47,973 ♪ 374 00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:49,888 - Where are we in the case? Are we ready to go? 375 00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:51,107 When do you make that decision, 376 00:14:51,150 --> 00:14:52,456 and how do you make that decision? 377 00:14:52,499 --> 00:14:54,153 - We started this, 378 00:14:54,197 --> 00:14:56,895 we framed this out as a narcotics conspiracy case. 379 00:14:56,939 --> 00:14:58,549 That was our entrée. 380 00:14:58,592 --> 00:15:01,160 That was our way to get into the gangs. 381 00:15:01,204 --> 00:15:02,945 - Right. - To do this, 382 00:15:02,988 --> 00:15:05,991 we were looking at a total of 78 people. 383 00:15:06,035 --> 00:15:09,908 60 Bloods were part of it, 18 Latin Kings. 384 00:15:09,952 --> 00:15:11,823 Now, you know how the FBI does it. 385 00:15:11,866 --> 00:15:14,608 If we're going to arrest one person, we send ten. 386 00:15:14,652 --> 00:15:16,480 We're going to arrest 20, we send 100. 387 00:15:16,523 --> 00:15:18,003 And there's a reason for that. 388 00:15:18,047 --> 00:15:20,310 We want to remove that fight or flight mechanism 389 00:15:20,353 --> 00:15:21,572 that people have. 390 00:15:21,615 --> 00:15:23,356 We want them to look at us and go, 391 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,402 "All right, I'm going to take my chances in court. 392 00:15:25,445 --> 00:15:26,838 "I'm not going to try to run away, 393 00:15:26,881 --> 00:15:28,448 and I'm certainly not going to try to fight you." 394 00:15:28,492 --> 00:15:31,451 - Yeah. Where are you going to put all these people? 395 00:15:31,495 --> 00:15:34,063 - I had to find a place to do this in a city 396 00:15:34,106 --> 00:15:37,849 that is a two mile by two square mile postage stamp. 397 00:15:37,892 --> 00:15:41,244 ♪ 398 00:15:41,287 --> 00:15:44,638 All the processing would be done in the Newburgh Armory. 399 00:15:44,682 --> 00:15:48,033 I felt that this could be a place where I could secrete 400 00:15:48,077 --> 00:15:50,993 the men, women, materiel 401 00:15:51,036 --> 00:15:52,733 that I was going to need to do this, 402 00:15:52,777 --> 00:15:54,213 to do the intake. 403 00:15:54,257 --> 00:15:55,823 Arresting somebody is one thing. 404 00:15:55,867 --> 00:15:57,477 Then what are you going to do with them? 405 00:15:57,521 --> 00:15:58,565 They're all going to be processed 406 00:15:58,609 --> 00:16:00,002 into the federal system. 407 00:16:00,045 --> 00:16:02,004 So I had to bring all those people, 408 00:16:02,047 --> 00:16:07,009 the pretrial people, the AUSAs, the bosses. 409 00:16:07,052 --> 00:16:10,099 It just--it turned out to be a massive, 410 00:16:10,142 --> 00:16:14,190 massive congregation or gathering of people, 411 00:16:14,233 --> 00:16:17,193 500 in total. - Wow. 412 00:16:17,236 --> 00:16:20,065 You're about to bring in 500 investigators, 413 00:16:20,109 --> 00:16:22,589 law enforcement, support staff, 414 00:16:22,633 --> 00:16:25,244 into the postage stamp without being seen. 415 00:16:25,288 --> 00:16:27,420 - I knew that I could bring things in in stages. 416 00:16:27,464 --> 00:16:31,337 So I had this group arrive at 2:00 in the afternoon. 417 00:16:31,381 --> 00:16:33,252 The next group come in at 3:30. 418 00:16:33,296 --> 00:16:35,080 The next group come in at 5:30. 419 00:16:35,124 --> 00:16:36,734 The next group come in at 7:00. 420 00:16:36,777 --> 00:16:39,083 And we did this throughout the night. 421 00:16:39,128 --> 00:16:44,829 ♪ 422 00:16:44,872 --> 00:16:48,093 - They come into the armory. It's still dark outside. 423 00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:51,096 It's 0-dark-hundred. What are we doing? 424 00:16:51,140 --> 00:16:52,967 - We call it in the FBI putting people to bed. 425 00:16:53,011 --> 00:16:54,752 Make sure that they were in the places 426 00:16:54,795 --> 00:16:56,449 that they were supposed to be. 427 00:16:56,493 --> 00:16:58,799 We knew we weren't going to have all 78 tucked into bed, 428 00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:01,541 but we had a-- the vast majority of them. 429 00:17:01,585 --> 00:17:03,848 - We have 78 indictments, 430 00:17:03,891 --> 00:17:07,285 60 on the Blood side, 18 on the Latin King side. 431 00:17:07,330 --> 00:17:09,593 We're going to give you the best addresses. 432 00:17:09,636 --> 00:17:11,290 - The people who had to go the furthest distance 433 00:17:11,333 --> 00:17:13,031 went out first. 434 00:17:13,074 --> 00:17:15,251 The people that were closer to the armory went out second. 435 00:17:15,294 --> 00:17:17,079 - The places where we've got two or three 436 00:17:17,122 --> 00:17:20,734 multiple locations for hits, we will shut those streets off. 437 00:17:20,777 --> 00:17:22,214 There will be uniformed personnel 438 00:17:22,257 --> 00:17:24,042 from the city of Newburgh, state troopers, 439 00:17:24,085 --> 00:17:25,912 to help assist in that. 440 00:17:25,957 --> 00:17:27,958 We'll also have spotter teams out. 441 00:17:28,002 --> 00:17:29,700 - And when you put together a team like that, 442 00:17:29,743 --> 00:17:32,790 and it comes together, I knew the rest of it was now 443 00:17:32,833 --> 00:17:34,183 let's just go get the bad guys. - Yeah. 444 00:17:34,226 --> 00:17:36,010 - No warning shots. 445 00:17:36,054 --> 00:17:37,621 No shooting at vehicles 446 00:17:37,664 --> 00:17:40,058 unless the driver is posing an imminent threat to you. 447 00:17:40,102 --> 00:17:41,712 - We wanted to make sure 448 00:17:41,755 --> 00:17:43,322 there was a particular time that we were going to do this, 449 00:17:43,366 --> 00:17:46,673 and I believe these warrants were to be hit at 0600 hours. 450 00:17:46,717 --> 00:17:49,981 So at 05:59:59, 451 00:17:50,024 --> 00:17:52,070 that's where I gave the countdown over the radio. 452 00:17:52,114 --> 00:17:53,941 Five... Five, four... 453 00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:56,161 Three, two... one, execute. 454 00:17:56,205 --> 00:17:57,728 Execute. Execute. 455 00:17:57,771 --> 00:17:59,295 On the day of the arrest, 456 00:17:59,338 --> 00:18:02,515 we placed 78 teams out on the street that day, 457 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,343 one for each of the subjects 458 00:18:04,387 --> 00:18:06,519 we're attempting to locate and apprehend. 459 00:18:06,563 --> 00:18:08,173 There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. 460 00:18:08,217 --> 00:18:09,479 - No. - The genie is out. 461 00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:12,525 [dramatic music] 462 00:18:12,569 --> 00:18:18,662 ♪ 463 00:18:18,705 --> 00:18:21,882 - OK, here we go. 464 00:18:21,926 --> 00:18:23,971 - You know, when you're back in the Ops center, 465 00:18:24,015 --> 00:18:26,278 or you're back in the-- you're sitting there 466 00:18:26,322 --> 00:18:29,673 and you're waiting, and the waiting is the worst part. 467 00:18:29,716 --> 00:18:32,719 [indistinct chatter] 468 00:18:32,763 --> 00:18:36,288 - Team 14 to command post. 469 00:18:36,332 --> 00:18:39,291 [indistinct radio chatter] 470 00:18:40,510 --> 00:18:45,689 Yeah, team 14 has a subject in custody, uh, without incident. 471 00:18:45,732 --> 00:18:47,734 - 10-4, thank you. 472 00:18:47,778 --> 00:18:50,041 - You're waiting for that first call from an arrest team. 473 00:18:50,084 --> 00:18:53,740 [tense music] 474 00:18:53,784 --> 00:19:00,747 ♪ 475 00:19:00,791 --> 00:19:02,532 - Command post from team 2. 476 00:19:02,575 --> 00:19:05,622 - You've got the mobile command post, go ahead. 477 00:19:05,665 --> 00:19:07,798 - We're transporting our prisoner to the armory. 478 00:19:07,841 --> 00:19:10,061 I'll give you time and mileage. 479 00:19:10,104 --> 00:19:14,544 ♪ 480 00:19:14,587 --> 00:19:17,503 - Take me through the inside of the armory. 481 00:19:17,547 --> 00:19:20,898 As these MOPs start coming in, how do you have that set up? 482 00:19:20,941 --> 00:19:22,334 - So it was essentially a nerve center. 483 00:19:22,378 --> 00:19:24,162 I mean, that's essentially what it was. 484 00:19:24,206 --> 00:19:26,382 We already got all the vans in from Department of Corrections 485 00:19:26,425 --> 00:19:28,297 and Orange County Jail, and they've 486 00:19:28,340 --> 00:19:30,124 already started bringing the subjects in from the streets. 487 00:19:30,168 --> 00:19:33,432 And we had walked it and game-planned it to figure out 488 00:19:33,476 --> 00:19:35,913 where it made the most sense, knowing that we were going 489 00:19:35,956 --> 00:19:39,482 to have 500 personnel, meaning 500 good guys, 490 00:19:39,525 --> 00:19:42,311 in and out of that during the course of the day. 491 00:19:42,354 --> 00:19:44,748 We ended up using the basketball court. 492 00:19:44,791 --> 00:19:46,837 Are you going to be the point of contact on this? 493 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,534 - Sure, why not? - OK. 494 00:19:48,578 --> 00:19:50,406 So I'm gonna need one person assigned for them, 495 00:19:50,449 --> 00:19:51,798 and then we're going to sign them over to the marshals 496 00:19:51,842 --> 00:19:53,365 at the end. 497 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:54,714 So you'll sign for all the ones coming in. 498 00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:56,020 Instead of having piecemeal, 499 00:19:56,063 --> 00:19:57,195 we'll just have one person do it. 500 00:19:57,239 --> 00:19:58,327 - Thanks a million. 501 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:01,939 - You got it. 502 00:20:01,982 --> 00:20:03,854 - You got it. You can start processing 'em. 503 00:20:03,897 --> 00:20:06,073 If we have overflow and we don't have enough teams, 504 00:20:06,117 --> 00:20:07,988 we'll stick them in here just to hold on to them until then. 505 00:20:08,032 --> 00:20:10,904 We just went from table one to table two to table three. 506 00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:12,297 - First to the pedigree station, 507 00:20:12,341 --> 00:20:13,907 then they go to the fingerprint station, 508 00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:15,257 then they go to the Miranda. 509 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:17,346 - We brought the marshals to us. 510 00:20:17,389 --> 00:20:19,043 And as people were being processed, 511 00:20:19,086 --> 00:20:20,479 they would be shuttled down 512 00:20:20,523 --> 00:20:22,307 to the Metropolitan Correctional Center 513 00:20:22,351 --> 00:20:23,830 in Lower Manhattan, 514 00:20:23,874 --> 00:20:24,875 which is where they ended up being housed. 515 00:20:24,918 --> 00:20:26,529 This has been a long time coming. 516 00:20:26,572 --> 00:20:29,053 Um, the gang scourge up here has just been--it's 517 00:20:29,096 --> 00:20:30,968 been endemic for years and years and years. 518 00:20:31,011 --> 00:20:33,405 And I'd say probably over the last four or five years, 519 00:20:33,449 --> 00:20:36,365 you know, Newburgh has just been--has been a place where, 520 00:20:36,408 --> 00:20:39,193 you know, gunplay and drug dealing has just become 521 00:20:39,237 --> 00:20:42,327 so rampant that people--it's just not a safe place to be. 522 00:20:42,371 --> 00:20:45,722 Obviously I wanted 78 for 78, and that didn't happen. 523 00:20:45,765 --> 00:20:48,246 I want to say that we were somewhere in the neighborhood 524 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,204 of 60 or something like that. 525 00:20:50,248 --> 00:20:54,208 We think there's about 160, 180 card-carrying Bloods 526 00:20:54,252 --> 00:20:55,732 in the city Newburgh, so we're effectively 527 00:20:55,775 --> 00:20:57,299 taking out a third of them today, 528 00:20:57,342 --> 00:20:59,083 including much of the hierarchy. 529 00:20:59,126 --> 00:21:01,651 And on the Latin King side, there's probably 35 or 40 530 00:21:01,694 --> 00:21:04,088 folks, and we're taking out 18 of them today. 531 00:21:04,131 --> 00:21:06,046 So you know, close to half of them. 532 00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:08,397 - They didn't tell you? Drug charges. 533 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,398 - Drug charges? - Yeah. 534 00:21:09,441 --> 00:21:11,269 - Drug charges? 535 00:21:11,313 --> 00:21:12,401 - Yeah, drug charges, man, and federal charges, 536 00:21:12,444 --> 00:21:14,446 so they're the big time, right? 537 00:21:14,490 --> 00:21:16,230 So think about what you're going to do, 538 00:21:16,274 --> 00:21:17,710 because you're going to have an opportunity upstairs. 539 00:21:17,754 --> 00:21:18,798 Think about what you're going do, 540 00:21:18,842 --> 00:21:20,104 because you're looking at big time. 541 00:21:20,147 --> 00:21:21,497 I'm going to be straight up honest with you. 542 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:23,368 Everybody on this indictment's looking at big time. 543 00:21:23,412 --> 00:21:25,762 - The two operations, codenamed Blood Drive 544 00:21:25,805 --> 00:21:27,894 and the Black Crown, 545 00:21:27,938 --> 00:21:31,550 are the result of solid police work by the task force. 546 00:21:31,594 --> 00:21:34,684 Both cases, targeting members of the Bloods 547 00:21:34,727 --> 00:21:37,382 and the Latin Kings respectively, 548 00:21:37,426 --> 00:21:40,516 used time-tested techniques like informants 549 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,214 and undercover drug buys, 550 00:21:43,257 --> 00:21:45,651 to amass evidence and probable cause. 551 00:21:45,695 --> 00:21:47,131 - Tell me what happened. 552 00:21:47,174 --> 00:21:49,263 You've got Double O, he's in jail. 553 00:21:49,307 --> 00:21:51,875 What about his counterpart over at the Latin Kings? 554 00:21:51,918 --> 00:21:57,010 - Sure. Gunz Pagan, he refused to speak to us, 555 00:21:57,054 --> 00:21:59,578 and held on to the machismo, I think, 556 00:21:59,622 --> 00:22:01,188 that a lot of, you know, 557 00:22:01,232 --> 00:22:03,495 leaders of violent street gangs have, 558 00:22:03,539 --> 00:22:05,454 and ended up being arrested. 559 00:22:05,497 --> 00:22:12,417 ♪ 560 00:22:36,528 --> 00:22:39,444 [soft dramatic music] 561 00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:42,055 ♪ 562 00:22:42,099 --> 00:22:44,580 In Newburgh, the opportunity was not there. 563 00:22:44,623 --> 00:22:46,930 And the disenfranchisement, I think, 564 00:22:46,973 --> 00:22:50,890 leads to young men looking to get their aggressions out 565 00:22:50,934 --> 00:22:52,631 in a different way. 566 00:22:52,675 --> 00:22:54,938 And I'd see them hanging out on a stoop, 567 00:22:54,981 --> 00:22:57,331 sitting on the steps or on a street corner, 568 00:22:57,375 --> 00:22:59,856 with some guys that were convicted felons. 569 00:22:59,899 --> 00:23:01,248 And I remember talking to a couple of kids, 570 00:23:01,292 --> 00:23:04,513 eight, nine, ten 11, 12 years old and saying, 571 00:23:04,556 --> 00:23:06,950 "I don't want to see you there on that stoop 572 00:23:06,993 --> 00:23:09,039 around those guys." - Yeah. 573 00:23:09,082 --> 00:23:10,823 - Until one little kid said to me, 574 00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:13,347 "But Coach, that's my uncle and my brother." 575 00:23:13,391 --> 00:23:14,958 - [laughing] Yeah. 576 00:23:15,001 --> 00:23:16,002 - And not realizing the connection. 577 00:23:16,046 --> 00:23:17,264 - Yeah. 578 00:23:17,308 --> 00:23:19,049 - And, thinking to myself, "Wow. 579 00:23:19,092 --> 00:23:22,226 "You cannot remove them from the situation that they're in. 580 00:23:22,269 --> 00:23:24,228 "All you can do is provide an outlet 581 00:23:24,271 --> 00:23:25,795 for a couple of hours a day." 582 00:23:25,838 --> 00:23:27,710 And that was a way to put pressure on them 583 00:23:27,753 --> 00:23:29,494 to stay in school and to stay out of trouble.