1 00:00:07,137 --> 00:00:08,964 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:09,008 --> 00:00:11,967 - The Outlaw motorcycle gang is one of the top 3 00:00:12,011 --> 00:00:13,360 motorcycle gangs in the country. 4 00:00:16,668 --> 00:00:18,800 We had an issue with a chapter down 5 00:00:18,844 --> 00:00:21,325 in Taunton, Massachusetts, south of Boston. 6 00:00:21,368 --> 00:00:22,891 We knew that they were involved 7 00:00:22,935 --> 00:00:24,589 in drug trafficking and violent crime. 8 00:00:30,899 --> 00:00:33,598 - Our marching orders in Boston was basically 9 00:00:33,641 --> 00:00:35,165 take care of the problem. 10 00:00:35,208 --> 00:00:37,297 ♪ 11 00:00:37,341 --> 00:00:39,386 The biggest danger is the unknown. 12 00:00:41,867 --> 00:00:44,522 - They take him downstairs, and they strip-search him. 13 00:00:44,565 --> 00:00:45,827 - Oh, shit. 14 00:00:45,871 --> 00:00:46,872 - The worst thing that can happen 15 00:00:46,915 --> 00:00:48,395 is you lose your life, obviously. 16 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:56,882 [dramatic music] 17 00:00:56,925 --> 00:01:00,146 - In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 18 00:01:00,190 --> 00:01:03,149 ♪ 19 00:01:03,193 --> 00:01:04,629 Drug busts, 20 00:01:04,672 --> 00:01:07,501 mob stings, 21 00:01:07,545 --> 00:01:09,242 terrorist takedowns. 22 00:01:09,286 --> 00:01:11,375 - Get down! Get down! 23 00:01:11,418 --> 00:01:13,768 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 24 00:01:13,812 --> 00:01:14,813 - Mark it. 25 00:01:14,856 --> 00:01:16,293 - Freeze! - FBI. 26 00:01:16,336 --> 00:01:17,990 - FBI! - Action! 27 00:01:18,033 --> 00:01:20,035 - But they don't know the half of it. 28 00:01:20,079 --> 00:01:21,558 [indistinct radio chatter] 29 00:01:21,602 --> 00:01:23,735 What really goes down, 30 00:01:23,778 --> 00:01:25,998 we save that for each other 31 00:01:26,041 --> 00:01:28,174 when we're talking agent to agent. 32 00:01:28,218 --> 00:01:31,090 ♪ 33 00:01:31,134 --> 00:01:34,311 This is "FBI True." 34 00:01:38,967 --> 00:01:41,883 [tense music] 35 00:01:41,927 --> 00:01:48,847 ♪ 36 00:01:51,588 --> 00:01:55,114 - Cindy Coppola is a 23-year veteran of the FBI. 37 00:01:55,158 --> 00:01:56,768 She worked on cases that included 38 00:01:56,811 --> 00:01:59,074 organized crime and terrorism 39 00:01:59,118 --> 00:02:01,642 and took part in multinational investigations 40 00:02:01,686 --> 00:02:04,254 into drug trafficking and money laundering. 41 00:02:04,297 --> 00:02:06,734 Coppola finished her career with the Los Angeles division 42 00:02:06,778 --> 00:02:09,781 running two offices, supervising investigations, 43 00:02:09,824 --> 00:02:12,784 and providing undercover security for special events. 44 00:02:16,048 --> 00:02:19,660 - People don't know that the FBI even gets involved 45 00:02:19,704 --> 00:02:21,358 with the Outlaw motorcycle gang. 46 00:02:21,401 --> 00:02:23,229 Like, we had some stuff down here in New York 47 00:02:23,273 --> 00:02:25,666 with the motorcycle gangs, that we did a big roundup. 48 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:27,102 The average person doesn't realize 49 00:02:27,146 --> 00:02:29,017 what goes behind the scenes. 50 00:02:29,061 --> 00:02:32,847 - The entire United States for many, many years have had 51 00:02:32,891 --> 00:02:36,460 and continue to have a criminal problem with motorcycle gangs. 52 00:02:36,503 --> 00:02:38,549 - Mike McGowan participated 53 00:02:38,592 --> 00:02:41,029 in over 50 undercover operations. 54 00:02:41,073 --> 00:02:42,683 He was the Undercover Coordinator 55 00:02:42,727 --> 00:02:44,336 at the FBI's Boston office. 56 00:02:44,381 --> 00:02:46,818 McGowan helped infiltrate the mafia, 57 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:49,342 drug cartels, and biker gangs. 58 00:02:49,386 --> 00:02:52,215 - The Hell's Angels and another group called the Outlaws, 59 00:02:52,258 --> 00:02:54,782 they're basically one and two in the pecking order. 60 00:02:54,826 --> 00:02:57,220 They have chapters all over the country. 61 00:02:57,263 --> 00:02:59,004 - They're violent in theory, right? 62 00:02:59,047 --> 00:03:01,267 - Not in theory, in reality. 63 00:03:01,311 --> 00:03:05,619 - Warring biker gangs in Waco, Texas, clash. 64 00:03:05,663 --> 00:03:07,273 Nine people were killed 65 00:03:07,317 --> 00:03:10,145 in a frightening broad daylight shoot-out. 66 00:03:10,189 --> 00:03:13,410 - They're involved in every imaginable type 67 00:03:13,453 --> 00:03:15,803 of criminal activity. You name it, they do it. 68 00:03:15,847 --> 00:03:18,284 - US attorney Joe Hogsett compared the gang 69 00:03:18,328 --> 00:03:20,678 to a business with an aggressive agenda. 70 00:03:20,721 --> 00:03:25,291 - Their activities have ranged from money laundering 71 00:03:25,335 --> 00:03:28,990 to use and threatened use of violence, 72 00:03:29,034 --> 00:03:33,038 extortion, drug distribution, firearms violations. 73 00:03:33,081 --> 00:03:36,476 - They enjoy challenging law enforcement. 74 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,130 We'll leave it at that. 75 00:03:38,173 --> 00:03:41,176 [siren wailing] 76 00:03:44,223 --> 00:03:46,878 - Up in Boston, we had an issue with a chapter 77 00:03:46,921 --> 00:03:48,836 down in Taunton, Massachusetts, 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,838 which is about 30 miles south of the city. 79 00:03:50,882 --> 00:03:52,710 It's a small, blue-collar town. 80 00:03:57,671 --> 00:04:00,761 The Outlaw chapter in Massachusetts had become 81 00:04:00,805 --> 00:04:04,678 an increasingly annoying group to the community. 82 00:04:04,722 --> 00:04:05,940 We knew that they were involved 83 00:04:05,984 --> 00:04:08,247 in drug trafficking and violent crime, 84 00:04:08,291 --> 00:04:11,816 so our marching orders in Boston was basically, 85 00:04:11,859 --> 00:04:15,254 take a look at this group and take care of the problem. 86 00:04:17,343 --> 00:04:21,259 So early 2005, we started a undercover operation 87 00:04:21,304 --> 00:04:24,350 to see if we could actually get an agent inside. 88 00:04:24,394 --> 00:04:26,178 - So you're the Undercover Coordinator 89 00:04:26,221 --> 00:04:27,701 at this time? - Correct. 90 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:31,923 Motorcycle gangs, they're difficult cases to work 91 00:04:31,966 --> 00:04:33,577 because they're very insular. 92 00:04:33,620 --> 00:04:35,056 Most of these chapters have 93 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:37,581 what's called a clubhouse or a church. 94 00:04:37,624 --> 00:04:41,541 In addition, they tend to congregate in local bars. 95 00:04:41,585 --> 00:04:43,978 They do things in a way 96 00:04:44,022 --> 00:04:46,590 that deters people infiltrating them. 97 00:04:46,633 --> 00:04:49,984 So they're a tough group to crack. 98 00:04:51,769 --> 00:04:54,598 We wanted to insert an undercover agent 99 00:04:54,641 --> 00:04:56,643 into the group, if possible. 100 00:04:56,687 --> 00:04:59,733 The reality is we have to get them to trust us first. 101 00:04:59,777 --> 00:05:02,040 - So what'd you guys do, like, a cold bump so we could start 102 00:05:02,083 --> 00:05:03,433 getting an undercover in? - Correct. 103 00:05:05,391 --> 00:05:07,872 We decided to basically roll somebody in 104 00:05:07,915 --> 00:05:10,091 and see if they could connect with them. 105 00:05:10,135 --> 00:05:12,529 It was a new undercover agent, very inexperienced, 106 00:05:12,572 --> 00:05:14,487 who was from another part of the country, 107 00:05:14,531 --> 00:05:16,359 but who had an interest in doing 108 00:05:16,402 --> 00:05:18,273 motorcycle undercover operations. 109 00:05:18,317 --> 00:05:19,449 He knows how to ride. 110 00:05:19,492 --> 00:05:21,842 - Right. - He could talk the talk. 111 00:05:21,886 --> 00:05:24,802 We set up a storyline that basically he came 112 00:05:24,845 --> 00:05:28,066 into the Massachusetts area once, twice a month 113 00:05:28,109 --> 00:05:30,155 because that's where his business took him. 114 00:05:30,198 --> 00:05:32,766 And eventually he was able to get into the clubs 115 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:34,377 so that he's visual, he's there. 116 00:05:34,420 --> 00:05:35,682 He's throwing some money around. 117 00:05:35,726 --> 00:05:37,205 People are like, hmm, who's this guy? 118 00:05:37,249 --> 00:05:38,772 - Cultivating people, get to know them. 119 00:05:38,816 --> 00:05:40,644 - You know, he just established a presence. 120 00:05:40,687 --> 00:05:42,646 He's going in there for months. 121 00:05:42,689 --> 00:05:44,648 Again, we don't walk in there the first day and say, 122 00:05:44,691 --> 00:05:46,867 "Sell me some cocaine." 123 00:05:46,911 --> 00:05:49,348 We'd get there, but these things take time. 124 00:05:52,612 --> 00:05:56,181 Once the UC had spent about six months around the group, 125 00:05:56,224 --> 00:05:59,358 we could start investigating their criminal activities. 126 00:05:59,402 --> 00:06:02,970 The first step was offering to buy stolen cars from them. 127 00:06:03,014 --> 00:06:05,233 You got to do something with these guys to show them, 128 00:06:05,277 --> 00:06:07,192 you know, you color outside the lines. 129 00:06:07,235 --> 00:06:09,412 The reason we authorized 130 00:06:09,455 --> 00:06:11,892 the young undercover to go forward is, 131 00:06:11,936 --> 00:06:14,504 we knew that we would connect him to Gonzo. 132 00:06:14,547 --> 00:06:17,550 - Anibal "Gonzo" Gonzalez is an Army veteran 133 00:06:17,594 --> 00:06:19,291 turned undercover operative. 134 00:06:19,334 --> 00:06:21,511 He helped bring down drug traffickers 135 00:06:21,554 --> 00:06:23,643 and international cartels. 136 00:06:23,687 --> 00:06:26,080 He was also a driver in the FBI's 137 00:06:26,124 --> 00:06:28,648 undercover trucking unit. 138 00:06:28,692 --> 00:06:32,652 - At that time, the FBI had a trucking operation. 139 00:06:32,696 --> 00:06:35,481 We had a full-time fleet, three or four agents 140 00:06:35,525 --> 00:06:37,178 working in an undercover capacity, 141 00:06:37,222 --> 00:06:40,007 supporting cases throughout the country. 142 00:06:40,051 --> 00:06:41,922 You'd be surprised how many cases 143 00:06:41,966 --> 00:06:44,055 can use a tow truck, a flatbed. 144 00:06:44,098 --> 00:06:45,665 - Yep. I remember. 145 00:06:45,709 --> 00:06:49,060 - So I end up one day coming by 146 00:06:49,103 --> 00:06:51,584 and meeting up with the primary undercover. 147 00:06:51,628 --> 00:06:53,107 The story was that we would take 148 00:06:53,151 --> 00:06:55,109 the stolen cars to Mexico, 149 00:06:55,153 --> 00:06:56,720 where they would get sold. 150 00:06:59,244 --> 00:07:01,376 We follow a couple of the Outlaws 151 00:07:01,420 --> 00:07:03,509 to a location where they had two motorcycles. 152 00:07:03,553 --> 00:07:05,642 - Motorcycles, yep. - And I had special ramps 153 00:07:05,685 --> 00:07:07,165 to load them into the truck, 154 00:07:07,208 --> 00:07:10,211 and I tied them down and took them away. 155 00:07:10,255 --> 00:07:11,822 He thinks it's going to Mexico. 156 00:07:11,865 --> 00:07:14,477 - But in reality, where are you taking them? 157 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,741 - The minute I load the bikes or the cars, 158 00:07:17,784 --> 00:07:20,874 I get on the road, make sure we have no tail, 159 00:07:20,918 --> 00:07:23,224 and all I do is go around Boston 160 00:07:23,268 --> 00:07:25,313 and go to an undercover warehouse. 161 00:07:25,357 --> 00:07:27,881 And that's where we would store the motorcycles, 162 00:07:27,925 --> 00:07:29,361 the cars, as evidence. 163 00:07:32,190 --> 00:07:35,193 So we would space these things out, 164 00:07:35,236 --> 00:07:37,630 maybe every seven or eight weeks. 165 00:07:37,674 --> 00:07:40,938 - The objective wasn't to get the Outlaws for car theft. 166 00:07:40,981 --> 00:07:43,288 Instead it was about building rapport. 167 00:07:43,331 --> 00:07:44,550 They get curious. 168 00:07:44,594 --> 00:07:45,812 That generates conversation. 169 00:07:45,856 --> 00:07:47,510 - Sure. - That's the whole point. 170 00:07:47,553 --> 00:07:50,600 They start wondering, what's this guy into? 171 00:07:50,643 --> 00:07:52,906 You know, he's around the Mexican border. 172 00:07:52,950 --> 00:07:54,865 Surprise, surprise, you know, drugs come... 173 00:07:54,908 --> 00:07:56,301 - Yeah, of course. - Across the Mexican border. 174 00:07:56,344 --> 00:07:58,695 You just let them create their storyline. 175 00:07:58,738 --> 00:08:00,218 - Let them think it up on their own. 176 00:08:00,261 --> 00:08:03,003 - We understood that they were starting to trust us. 177 00:08:03,047 --> 00:08:04,570 We wanted to get to the next level, 178 00:08:04,614 --> 00:08:06,529 which with them was the violent activity 179 00:08:06,572 --> 00:08:08,531 and the drug trafficking. 180 00:08:11,055 --> 00:08:13,753 At that point, we offered to hire them as protection 181 00:08:13,797 --> 00:08:15,407 for one of our drug deals. 182 00:08:17,017 --> 00:08:18,932 - The storyline we used was, 183 00:08:18,976 --> 00:08:21,195 we get the drugs across from Mexico, 184 00:08:21,239 --> 00:08:23,633 but we can't get them up to Canada. 185 00:08:23,676 --> 00:08:27,114 We need a location here that we can secure 186 00:08:27,158 --> 00:08:31,423 to transfer the drugs from our trucks to their trucks. 187 00:08:31,466 --> 00:08:33,337 - So the Outlaws are going to be the protection. 188 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:34,426 - Right. - They're gonna be the heavy. 189 00:08:34,469 --> 00:08:35,993 - It's offered. 190 00:08:36,036 --> 00:08:38,385 You know, is this something-- can you guys do this? 191 00:08:38,429 --> 00:08:40,563 - Okay. - The reality is, 192 00:08:40,606 --> 00:08:43,087 it's a risk-reward analysis on their part. 193 00:08:43,130 --> 00:08:44,610 You know, do I jump in with these guys 194 00:08:44,654 --> 00:08:45,829 I don't know that well? 195 00:08:47,831 --> 00:08:49,615 - The night before the deal, 196 00:08:49,659 --> 00:08:52,966 they have a meeting at their chapter house, the church. 197 00:08:53,010 --> 00:08:55,273 And there's arguments going back and forth 198 00:08:55,316 --> 00:08:58,798 as to who wants to do it, who's going to partake. 199 00:08:58,842 --> 00:09:00,539 Some of them were saying, I'm doing it. 200 00:09:00,583 --> 00:09:01,975 I want money. 201 00:09:02,019 --> 00:09:03,673 And then there were some that were saying, 202 00:09:03,716 --> 00:09:04,978 I don't want any part of it. 203 00:09:05,022 --> 00:09:06,980 - They didn't want to get caught. 204 00:09:07,024 --> 00:09:10,114 - There was some debate among them whether-- 205 00:09:10,157 --> 00:09:12,638 is this a setup? 206 00:09:12,682 --> 00:09:15,467 They end up calling in the undercover, 207 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:17,774 and they take him downstairs into the basement. 208 00:09:17,817 --> 00:09:18,818 - Oh, shit. 209 00:09:18,862 --> 00:09:23,344 ♪ 210 00:09:23,388 --> 00:09:26,696 - And they strip-search him. 211 00:09:26,739 --> 00:09:28,175 - And he's wired. 212 00:09:30,830 --> 00:09:31,962 - He's wired. 213 00:09:36,444 --> 00:09:38,272 [tense music] 214 00:09:38,316 --> 00:09:41,319 - The worst feeling you can have as an undercover-- 215 00:09:41,362 --> 00:09:42,537 there's two things. 216 00:09:42,581 --> 00:09:44,670 If you hear the racking of a shotgun. 217 00:09:44,714 --> 00:09:46,367 - Yeah. - That's bad. 218 00:09:46,411 --> 00:09:47,717 And getting searched, 219 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,981 even a small pat down is not comfortable. 220 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:54,201 You have a recording device somewhere on your person 221 00:09:54,245 --> 00:09:56,595 or your body, and-- 222 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:58,336 - It could be found. 223 00:09:58,379 --> 00:09:59,729 - It usually is found. 224 00:09:59,772 --> 00:10:02,122 ♪ 225 00:10:02,166 --> 00:10:05,256 - So the UC's down in the basement. 226 00:10:05,299 --> 00:10:06,170 - They strip-search him. 227 00:10:08,433 --> 00:10:13,699 They check the pockets, the shoes, the jackets. 228 00:10:13,743 --> 00:10:15,440 - You know, in training we teach people, 229 00:10:15,483 --> 00:10:16,789 you have to anticipate 230 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:18,704 that this is probably going to happen. 231 00:10:18,748 --> 00:10:21,576 You know, we don't go into this with eyes shut. 232 00:10:21,620 --> 00:10:22,795 You can be searched any time. 233 00:10:25,624 --> 00:10:28,540 - They searched, 234 00:10:28,583 --> 00:10:30,542 and they did not find a wire. 235 00:10:30,585 --> 00:10:34,502 That's how good the electronics section is. 236 00:10:36,635 --> 00:10:37,680 - Lucky for him, too. 237 00:10:37,723 --> 00:10:38,724 He could've been whacked. - Yes. 238 00:10:38,768 --> 00:10:39,769 - The worst thing that can happen 239 00:10:39,812 --> 00:10:41,292 is you lose your life, obviously. 240 00:10:41,335 --> 00:10:42,510 - Yeah. - Another bad thing 241 00:10:42,554 --> 00:10:44,121 is you lose the case. 242 00:10:44,164 --> 00:10:45,731 We don't want to work a year 243 00:10:45,775 --> 00:10:47,951 and then have a case go up in flames. 244 00:10:51,128 --> 00:10:52,695 - So what's going through your mind? 245 00:10:52,738 --> 00:10:53,870 Are you like, shit, are we going to do this? 246 00:10:53,913 --> 00:10:55,088 - We had been working towards 247 00:10:55,132 --> 00:10:57,612 the protection detail for months. 248 00:10:57,656 --> 00:11:00,703 We wanted to go forward with it, if it was safe. 249 00:11:00,746 --> 00:11:03,183 Because the front office was on high alert 250 00:11:03,227 --> 00:11:05,142 about the first undercover, 251 00:11:05,185 --> 00:11:08,711 Gonzo immediately stepped up into the primary role. 252 00:11:08,754 --> 00:11:12,323 We knew that he needed to have somebody else with him. 253 00:11:12,366 --> 00:11:14,629 It was natural for me to step in at that point. 254 00:11:18,198 --> 00:11:19,373 - So you get inserted. 255 00:11:19,417 --> 00:11:21,767 What was your UC name? 256 00:11:21,811 --> 00:11:22,768 - Mike Poncho. 257 00:11:25,075 --> 00:11:28,339 - Why Poncho? - He gave me that name. 258 00:11:28,382 --> 00:11:31,081 - So he comes out with this-- the Mexican hat. 259 00:11:32,996 --> 00:11:36,129 And that's when I said, you are my Poncho. 260 00:11:36,173 --> 00:11:38,044 You're my helper. 261 00:11:38,088 --> 00:11:40,003 - The last thing the Outlaws are going to think, 262 00:11:40,046 --> 00:11:43,310 are these two guys FBI agents? 263 00:11:43,354 --> 00:11:46,226 - We designed the deal, the transaction, 264 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:49,621 like an actual drug transaction. 265 00:11:49,664 --> 00:11:51,971 - The story we gave to the Outlaws 266 00:11:52,015 --> 00:11:53,277 had to be rock-solid. 267 00:12:03,417 --> 00:12:05,637 The goal here was to show these guys 268 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:07,204 that we were the real deal, 269 00:12:07,247 --> 00:12:09,162 that if they wanted to buy drugs in the future, 270 00:12:09,206 --> 00:12:10,773 they'd come to us. 271 00:12:10,816 --> 00:12:13,471 - So we bring in the trucks with the drugs. 272 00:12:13,514 --> 00:12:14,820 - To, like, a prearranged parking lot? 273 00:12:14,864 --> 00:12:16,866 - A Holiday Inn in Brockton. 274 00:12:18,606 --> 00:12:20,913 - The Outlaws end up doing the protection. 275 00:12:20,957 --> 00:12:26,179 - They had six or seven in different positions around. 276 00:12:26,223 --> 00:12:29,139 And then we had requested two of them help us. 277 00:12:29,182 --> 00:12:31,315 One of them was the chapter president. 278 00:12:31,358 --> 00:12:33,012 - Well, that's good. So then they see it. 279 00:12:33,056 --> 00:12:34,318 - Right. Well, that was the idea. 280 00:12:34,361 --> 00:12:35,841 - Yeah. 281 00:12:35,885 --> 00:12:38,191 - The Colombian undercover agent jumps in. 282 00:12:38,235 --> 00:12:42,065 I tell him, there's 40 kilos in those four boxes. 283 00:12:42,108 --> 00:12:43,240 - Sure. - And he says, 284 00:12:43,283 --> 00:12:45,503 "I want to count it." 285 00:12:45,546 --> 00:12:47,592 And this is built into the scenario. 286 00:12:47,635 --> 00:12:49,115 We lay it out, and then I say, 287 00:12:49,159 --> 00:12:51,335 "Hey, there it is. Count it." 288 00:12:53,728 --> 00:12:56,035 So these guys, their eyes are, like, 289 00:12:56,079 --> 00:12:57,341 this big. - The Outlaws. 290 00:12:57,384 --> 00:12:59,038 - Yeah. Guy just could not shut up. 291 00:12:59,082 --> 00:13:01,562 - That's all real cocaine and real marijuana. 292 00:13:05,262 --> 00:13:08,178 - He's never seen this size, 40 of them. 293 00:13:08,221 --> 00:13:10,745 So we put back in the boxes, retape it, 294 00:13:10,789 --> 00:13:12,704 load everything into the other truck, 295 00:13:12,747 --> 00:13:14,097 and we take off. 296 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:16,055 - So this deal goes great. 297 00:13:16,099 --> 00:13:18,188 You make the payments to the Outlaws. 298 00:13:18,231 --> 00:13:19,885 They think it's, like, a clean break. 299 00:13:19,929 --> 00:13:22,801 - The chapter president, we later found out, 300 00:13:22,845 --> 00:13:26,718 went back to the clubhouse that night and commented on, 301 00:13:26,761 --> 00:13:30,591 "These Mexico kilos are the real thing." 302 00:13:30,635 --> 00:13:32,028 - They were trusting us. 303 00:13:32,071 --> 00:13:35,988 We felt confident we were moving up the chain. 304 00:13:39,818 --> 00:13:41,820 - And then, if I remember correctly, 305 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:44,170 didn't somebody come out of jail that was, 306 00:13:44,214 --> 00:13:46,520 like, a head Outlaw guy at this point? 307 00:13:46,564 --> 00:13:48,653 - Yes. That was Timothy Silvia. 308 00:13:48,696 --> 00:13:51,612 He was the former president of that same chapter. 309 00:13:51,656 --> 00:13:53,397 - He was a very, very violent guy. 310 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,661 His criminal record was over 100 pages long. 311 00:13:56,704 --> 00:13:59,751 - Eventually, he hears that there are these guys. 312 00:13:59,794 --> 00:14:01,361 You know, they do move marijuana. 313 00:14:01,405 --> 00:14:03,450 They do move cocaine. 314 00:14:03,494 --> 00:14:05,061 - We got a call one day from him 315 00:14:05,104 --> 00:14:08,064 saying he wanted to move some stolen cars. 316 00:14:08,107 --> 00:14:10,240 - We set up a pickup. 317 00:14:10,283 --> 00:14:12,329 And that's when Mike and I basically 318 00:14:12,372 --> 00:14:14,374 take over the investigation. 319 00:14:14,418 --> 00:14:16,768 - You know, Silvia's a very egotistical man. 320 00:14:26,038 --> 00:14:28,171 [laughter] 321 00:14:28,214 --> 00:14:32,915 In conversations, he told us he had beat someone to death 322 00:14:32,958 --> 00:14:35,265 in a bar fight, that he had beaten 323 00:14:35,308 --> 00:14:37,615 two witnesses against him with a baseball bat, 324 00:14:37,658 --> 00:14:39,138 and he had shot somebody else. 325 00:14:57,461 --> 00:14:59,332 - He was not... - A nice guy. 326 00:14:59,376 --> 00:15:01,291 - A pleasant gentleman, 327 00:15:01,334 --> 00:15:03,641 and just a very, very violent-- 328 00:15:03,684 --> 00:15:05,164 I was surprised that he had been released 329 00:15:05,208 --> 00:15:06,774 from jail actually, so. 330 00:15:14,217 --> 00:15:15,696 - We secure the vehicles. 331 00:15:15,740 --> 00:15:18,003 We are just about to leave. 332 00:15:18,047 --> 00:15:19,962 Now remember, this is our first meeting 333 00:15:20,005 --> 00:15:22,268 with this guy, the former president, 334 00:15:22,312 --> 00:15:23,704 you know, just got out of prison. 335 00:15:23,748 --> 00:15:25,402 We have no plans of anything. 336 00:15:25,445 --> 00:15:27,795 And just as we were about to walk away, 337 00:15:27,839 --> 00:15:29,797 he says, so what else do you guys do with those trucks? 338 00:15:35,325 --> 00:15:37,544 We looked at each other like, ooh. 339 00:15:37,588 --> 00:15:39,068 - He asked. 340 00:15:39,111 --> 00:15:40,504 - We knew right then. 341 00:15:40,547 --> 00:15:42,462 I mean, instant. 342 00:15:42,506 --> 00:15:43,898 - You know, what do you want? 343 00:15:43,942 --> 00:15:45,683 You want the green stuff, the white stuff? 344 00:15:45,726 --> 00:15:46,640 We do everything. 345 00:16:03,657 --> 00:16:06,704 - We had a 10-kilo deal. It was for 180 grand. 346 00:16:06,747 --> 00:16:10,316 He just, like, opens the door, and we smashed it down. 347 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,535 - I mean, the guy just got out, 348 00:16:11,578 --> 00:16:13,058 and he's ready to go back in the game. 349 00:16:18,977 --> 00:16:20,370 - The US Attorney's office, 350 00:16:20,413 --> 00:16:23,721 they wanted us to make a case against Silvia. 351 00:16:23,764 --> 00:16:27,116 He was a big subject, the former president, 352 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:28,769 because of the violence. 353 00:16:33,905 --> 00:16:35,820 So we set up this final deal. 354 00:16:35,863 --> 00:16:38,127 - Because Silvia can't come up with the money, 355 00:16:38,170 --> 00:16:40,999 he offers to give me $50,000, 356 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:44,611 a Hummer, and an almost brand-new Harley-Davidson. 357 00:16:54,491 --> 00:16:56,014 - This guy's, like, you know, 358 00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:58,190 do I jump in with these guys I don't know that well? 359 00:16:58,234 --> 00:17:00,062 There was a need to get together with him 360 00:17:00,105 --> 00:17:01,802 to kind of finalize the deal. 361 00:17:11,681 --> 00:17:13,945 This is the first time that I was with him alone. 362 00:17:13,987 --> 00:17:15,077 He jumps in my car. 363 00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:23,258 - We set the stage for everything, 364 00:17:23,302 --> 00:17:26,044 and I accuse him of being a cop. 365 00:17:26,088 --> 00:17:27,132 - Why, though? 366 00:17:27,176 --> 00:17:29,221 - Because he's gonna probably 367 00:17:29,265 --> 00:17:30,309 accuse me of being a cop. 368 00:17:47,935 --> 00:17:50,721 - We finally calm down, and I basically said to him, 369 00:17:50,764 --> 00:17:52,331 I said, you know, "You sure you want to do this? 370 00:17:52,375 --> 00:17:55,247 Because if we get caught, it's over, we're done." 371 00:18:01,558 --> 00:18:03,734 - He said, "No, no. I want to do this. 372 00:18:03,777 --> 00:18:05,127 "I'm not getting caught. 373 00:18:05,170 --> 00:18:06,824 I'm not going back inside." 374 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:14,353 - He literally says on the tape, 375 00:18:14,397 --> 00:18:16,007 "I'm going out in a blaze of glory. 376 00:18:16,050 --> 00:18:17,487 I'm going to shoot it out with them." 377 00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:19,445 - So if he got caught, he's going to be, 378 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:21,012 die by cop, you know, like-- 379 00:18:21,055 --> 00:18:23,145 - This is something that I make sure 380 00:18:23,188 --> 00:18:24,668 I'm going to tell the SWAT team. 381 00:18:24,711 --> 00:18:26,278 I mean, we're not playing with kids here. 382 00:18:35,244 --> 00:18:37,159 - How many people are at the takedown? 383 00:18:37,202 --> 00:18:39,422 - There was at least 50, maybe a little bit more. 384 00:18:39,465 --> 00:18:41,206 This was a big arrest. 385 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:42,381 We brought the whole office, basically. 386 00:18:42,425 --> 00:18:44,427 - Tell me what the scene looks like. 387 00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:45,732 - It's the same place where we did 388 00:18:45,776 --> 00:18:47,299 the original drug transfer. 389 00:18:47,343 --> 00:18:49,649 - The Holiday Inn. - Exactly. 390 00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:51,912 - The plan was to receive payment from Silvia, 391 00:18:51,956 --> 00:18:53,958 then bring in the truck with the drugs. 392 00:18:54,001 --> 00:18:55,786 Silvia had a bad leg, 393 00:18:55,829 --> 00:18:57,614 so we would get him into the truck 394 00:18:57,657 --> 00:18:59,224 and take down the lift. 395 00:18:59,268 --> 00:19:01,444 Then we would send the arrest signal to SWAT. 396 00:19:01,487 --> 00:19:04,751 Boston FBI SWAT team, they're incredible. 397 00:19:04,795 --> 00:19:06,927 They've protected me for 20 years. 398 00:19:06,971 --> 00:19:09,103 But anything could happen on any day. 399 00:19:09,147 --> 00:19:11,149 Something's going to go wrong. - Sure. 400 00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:14,152 - So we set it up in a way we think is the safest. 401 00:19:21,072 --> 00:19:23,422 - We set up the deal. Almost at the last minute, 402 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:24,815 we tell them where we're going to do it. 403 00:19:24,858 --> 00:19:28,471 So we open the hood like we have a car problem. 404 00:19:33,432 --> 00:19:35,913 And then Silvia pulls in with the Hummer, 405 00:19:35,956 --> 00:19:37,828 towing a trailer with the motorcycle. 406 00:19:43,616 --> 00:19:46,445 So he comes in, you know, makes small talk. 407 00:19:49,361 --> 00:19:51,624 I remember him saying, 408 00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:53,496 "Next time, let me know. 409 00:19:53,539 --> 00:19:55,367 I have a better place where we can do this." 410 00:19:55,411 --> 00:19:57,326 Not only is he comfortable, 411 00:19:57,369 --> 00:19:58,457 but now he's thinking we're going to-- 412 00:19:58,501 --> 00:19:59,545 - We want to do it again. 413 00:20:08,511 --> 00:20:11,862 - And he hands $30,000 in a bundle to Mike. 414 00:20:11,905 --> 00:20:13,951 - But I thought he said he was giving you guys 50. 415 00:20:13,994 --> 00:20:16,519 - That's when he says that his friend is coming. 416 00:20:26,833 --> 00:20:29,227 - This is what you can't plan for. 417 00:20:37,583 --> 00:20:40,325 - Donofrio, he showed up with a gun. 418 00:20:40,369 --> 00:20:41,805 - Oh, my God. 419 00:20:43,285 --> 00:20:44,503 - It's dangerous in the sense 420 00:20:44,547 --> 00:20:47,071 that the biggest danger is the unknown. 421 00:20:57,342 --> 00:20:59,518 - At that point, now that we have the money, 422 00:20:59,562 --> 00:21:02,695 I call our undercover agent with a box truck 423 00:21:02,739 --> 00:21:05,132 where the cocaine is located. 424 00:21:12,879 --> 00:21:14,533 - I have another Harley-Davidson 425 00:21:14,577 --> 00:21:15,578 in the back of the truck. 426 00:21:22,367 --> 00:21:25,457 Just the small, subtle things that takes their minds off 427 00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:27,198 of what we're doing right now. 428 00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:45,434 - So we talk about the bike. 429 00:21:45,477 --> 00:21:48,219 And then I climb in the back of the truck, 430 00:21:48,262 --> 00:21:51,788 and I take the cocaine out of the hiding place 431 00:21:51,831 --> 00:21:53,180 where I had it. 432 00:21:53,224 --> 00:21:54,878 At that point, he says, 433 00:21:54,921 --> 00:21:57,620 "I need to cut it so I can check it out." 434 00:21:57,663 --> 00:22:01,580 I tell Mike, "Poncho, get me the knife from the cab." 435 00:22:04,409 --> 00:22:08,239 That's the code word for Mike to lower the liftgate 436 00:22:08,282 --> 00:22:10,981 because this guy's got a bad foot. 437 00:22:11,024 --> 00:22:13,200 - He's not jumping out. - He's not going to jump out, 438 00:22:13,244 --> 00:22:14,463 and we don't want him using the gate. 439 00:22:17,291 --> 00:22:18,641 - Yeah. Get me the tape. 440 00:22:20,686 --> 00:22:24,081 - My job is to execute the sign to bring SWAT in. 441 00:22:24,124 --> 00:22:25,561 - Mm-hmm. - And then basically 442 00:22:25,604 --> 00:22:27,519 get the hell out of there, get out of the way. 443 00:22:30,217 --> 00:22:31,697 - As Mike is walking away, 444 00:22:31,741 --> 00:22:34,308 I'm crawling back into my little crawl space 445 00:22:34,352 --> 00:22:35,788 that I have prepared. 446 00:22:40,097 --> 00:22:42,142 - It takes seconds. 447 00:22:42,186 --> 00:22:44,231 When you're there, though... - It feels like eternity. 448 00:22:44,275 --> 00:22:45,624 - It's, like, three years. 449 00:22:47,844 --> 00:22:49,889 - And all I heard was, 450 00:22:49,933 --> 00:22:50,890 "Shit." 451 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,070 As it turns out, he saw SWAT. 452 00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:03,729 - His buddy, Donofrio, had removed himself 453 00:23:03,773 --> 00:23:05,427 a little bit away from the scene. 454 00:23:05,470 --> 00:23:07,646 He's got a gun in the car. - Mm. 455 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:09,126 - You know, if he starts shooting at that point, 456 00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:10,170 we're in trouble. 457 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,351 The Boston FBI SWAT team, they're incredible. 458 00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:26,012 They find Donofrio, but Silvia, 459 00:23:26,056 --> 00:23:27,840 he's the one that's going to go out in a blaze of glory. 460 00:23:32,758 --> 00:23:35,108 But nobody got hurt. 461 00:23:41,941 --> 00:23:43,377 It was a dangerous arrest, 462 00:23:43,421 --> 00:23:46,642 and they handled it completely professional. 463 00:23:46,685 --> 00:23:49,514 - So the two guys taken into custody. 464 00:23:49,558 --> 00:23:51,821 Anybody else at the time? Just those two on this deal? 465 00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:53,039 - We got arrested too. - We got arrested. 466 00:23:53,083 --> 00:23:54,563 - Yeah--well, yeah. You guys, obviously. 467 00:23:54,606 --> 00:23:56,086 Yeah, of course. Got to make it look good. 468 00:23:56,129 --> 00:23:58,001 - Let's just say, every time I went to Boston 469 00:23:58,044 --> 00:23:59,524 to do any kind of work, I ended up 470 00:23:59,568 --> 00:24:01,918 in the back of a trooper car or handcuffed. 471 00:24:01,961 --> 00:24:03,093 - Oh, my God. 472 00:24:20,327 --> 00:24:23,200 - Everybody was either convicted or pled guilty. 473 00:24:23,243 --> 00:24:25,898 They all went to jail. - Outstanding. 474 00:24:25,942 --> 00:24:28,814 There's one thing though that I'm missing, 475 00:24:28,858 --> 00:24:30,860 and you guys didn't tell me, 476 00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,558 was the mustache. 477 00:24:33,602 --> 00:24:35,821 You know, clearly, I didn't get the memo. 478 00:24:35,865 --> 00:24:37,127 - We got them at the same store. 479 00:24:37,170 --> 00:24:38,432 [laughter] - Yeah.