1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,698 - There were kind of rumors and whispers 2 00:00:03,742 --> 00:00:05,091 about these two NYPD detectives 3 00:00:05,135 --> 00:00:06,962 who were actually working for the mob. 4 00:00:07,006 --> 00:00:08,225 - Louis, were you ever a bad cop? 5 00:00:08,268 --> 00:00:09,835 - Never in my life. 6 00:00:09,878 --> 00:00:11,880 - These guys were bad cops and no one could prove it? 7 00:00:11,924 --> 00:00:13,056 - Nothing that could stick. 8 00:00:13,099 --> 00:00:15,667 - We don't go around killing people. 9 00:00:15,710 --> 00:00:18,148 - These cops, they were receiving $4,000 a month 10 00:00:18,191 --> 00:00:20,541 actually working for the mob. 11 00:00:20,585 --> 00:00:22,935 They were committing murders for the Lucchese family-- 12 00:00:22,978 --> 00:00:25,242 eight homicides spanning from the mid '80s. 13 00:00:25,285 --> 00:00:28,158 [gunfire] 14 00:00:30,029 --> 00:00:31,987 And then just seeing kind of this blatant corruption 15 00:00:32,031 --> 00:00:33,206 and betrayal, 16 00:00:33,250 --> 00:00:34,468 but not enough to make the case. 17 00:00:34,512 --> 00:00:35,991 Not enough evidence. 18 00:00:36,035 --> 00:00:37,428 - We couldn't have done these crimes. 19 00:00:37,471 --> 00:00:38,864 We just couldn't have done them. 20 00:00:38,907 --> 00:00:40,300 - They're, you know, just thinking, 21 00:00:40,344 --> 00:00:41,519 "Wow, we got away from it." 22 00:00:41,562 --> 00:00:43,390 The tensions were very high. 23 00:00:43,434 --> 00:00:45,827 We know we have to stop these two New York City detectives. 24 00:00:45,871 --> 00:00:46,915 So we were just trying to figure out, 25 00:00:46,959 --> 00:00:49,135 how can we get these guys? 26 00:00:49,179 --> 00:00:50,267 We're not gonna another chance. 27 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:51,833 [dramatic music] 28 00:00:51,877 --> 00:00:55,054 - In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 29 00:00:55,098 --> 00:00:58,013 ♪ 30 00:00:58,057 --> 00:00:59,493 Drug busts, 31 00:00:59,537 --> 00:01:02,366 mob stings, 32 00:01:02,409 --> 00:01:04,150 terrorist takedowns. 33 00:01:04,193 --> 00:01:06,283 - Get down! Get down! 34 00:01:06,326 --> 00:01:08,676 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 35 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:09,721 - Mark it. 36 00:01:09,764 --> 00:01:11,201 - Freeze! - FBI. 37 00:01:11,244 --> 00:01:12,898 - FBI! - Action! 38 00:01:12,941 --> 00:01:14,943 - But they don't know the half of it. 39 00:01:14,987 --> 00:01:16,510 [indistinct radio chatter] 40 00:01:16,554 --> 00:01:18,556 What really goes down, 41 00:01:18,599 --> 00:01:20,819 we save that for each other 42 00:01:20,862 --> 00:01:23,038 when we're talking agent to agent. 43 00:01:23,082 --> 00:01:25,911 ♪ 44 00:01:25,954 --> 00:01:29,219 This is "FBI True." 45 00:01:37,575 --> 00:01:41,187 - Cindy Coppola is a 23-year veteran of the FBI. 46 00:01:41,231 --> 00:01:42,927 She worked on cases that included 47 00:01:42,971 --> 00:01:45,191 organized crime and terrorism 48 00:01:45,235 --> 00:01:47,585 and took part in multinational investigations 49 00:01:47,628 --> 00:01:50,414 into drug trafficking and money laundering. 50 00:01:50,457 --> 00:01:52,764 Coppola finished her career with the Los Angeles division 51 00:01:52,807 --> 00:01:55,723 running two offices, supervising investigations, 52 00:01:55,766 --> 00:01:58,726 and providing undercover security for special events. 53 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,909 - Gerry, it is so awesome to see you! 54 00:02:07,953 --> 00:02:09,171 When's the last time we saw each other? 55 00:02:09,215 --> 00:02:11,043 - It's got to be-- - 20-plus years, right? 56 00:02:11,086 --> 00:02:12,610 - Oh, yeah. Definitely the '90s. 57 00:02:12,653 --> 00:02:14,177 - I can't remember. Where did you process out of? 58 00:02:14,220 --> 00:02:15,743 - So I processed out of New York. 59 00:02:15,787 --> 00:02:17,528 Happy to come back to New York. - Yep, me too. 60 00:02:17,571 --> 00:02:19,443 Raise my hand, yeah. - Absolutely, right. 61 00:02:19,486 --> 00:02:23,055 - Geraldine Hart was an FBI agent for 21 years. 62 00:02:23,098 --> 00:02:25,057 She investigated public corruption, 63 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:27,625 terrorism, and cybercrimes. 64 00:02:27,668 --> 00:02:31,019 In 2014, Hart was appointed as the supervisory agent 65 00:02:31,063 --> 00:02:33,108 of the Long Island Gang Task Force. 66 00:02:33,152 --> 00:02:35,546 - So tell me about one of your biggest cases. 67 00:02:35,589 --> 00:02:38,549 It's something that's been in the news for a long time. 68 00:02:38,592 --> 00:02:41,029 And it's something you rarely would see, right? 69 00:02:41,073 --> 00:02:42,247 - So there were kind of rumors and whispers 70 00:02:42,292 --> 00:02:44,771 about these two NYPD detectives 71 00:02:44,816 --> 00:02:47,122 who were actually working for the mob. 72 00:02:47,166 --> 00:02:48,949 Lou Eppolito and Steve Caracappa 73 00:02:48,994 --> 00:02:52,911 were working for the Lucchese family in the early '90s. 74 00:02:52,954 --> 00:02:55,086 - So you've got these two NYPD guys. 75 00:02:55,130 --> 00:02:57,263 Worked for the mob, potentially, 76 00:02:57,307 --> 00:02:58,960 but, you know, nobody really talked about it. 77 00:02:59,004 --> 00:03:00,440 - Exactly. 78 00:03:00,484 --> 00:03:04,357 - Tell me about who Eppolito and Caracappa were. 79 00:03:04,401 --> 00:03:05,967 - Very different personalities, 80 00:03:06,011 --> 00:03:09,406 but they both were kind of two sides of the same coin. 81 00:03:09,449 --> 00:03:11,712 Steve Caracappa, they called him the Undertaker, Cindy, 82 00:03:11,756 --> 00:03:13,975 'cause his kind of-- like, his demeanor was very-- 83 00:03:14,019 --> 00:03:16,978 he was tall and thin and very gaunt, and very serious. 84 00:03:17,021 --> 00:03:19,677 So he was kind of the polar opposite of Eppolito. 85 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,419 Eppolito just had a big mouth. 86 00:03:22,462 --> 00:03:24,812 Any time there was an impending arrest, 87 00:03:24,856 --> 00:03:26,814 any time there was a big, large-scale investigation, 88 00:03:26,858 --> 00:03:27,946 the Lucchese family knew about it 89 00:03:27,989 --> 00:03:29,774 because of Eppolito and Caracappa. 90 00:03:29,817 --> 00:03:31,122 Don't forget, Caracappa was 91 00:03:31,166 --> 00:03:32,864 in the organized crime-homicide unit, 92 00:03:32,907 --> 00:03:34,431 so he had access to everything. 93 00:03:34,473 --> 00:03:35,823 But, Cindy, the biggest thing was 94 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:37,259 it had always been rumored that 95 00:03:37,303 --> 00:03:39,348 they were committing murders for the Lucchese family. 96 00:03:39,392 --> 00:03:41,089 [sirens blaring] 97 00:03:41,133 --> 00:03:42,439 They had the perfect backstory. 98 00:03:42,482 --> 00:03:44,005 They pulled people over, you know, 99 00:03:44,049 --> 00:03:45,790 put the siren on, pulled them over. 100 00:03:45,833 --> 00:03:47,139 "Hey, we need to talk to you." - Next thing you know-- 101 00:03:47,182 --> 00:03:49,794 [gunfire] 102 00:03:49,836 --> 00:03:51,665 Oh, that's crazy. What do you think about it? 103 00:03:51,709 --> 00:03:52,927 - It was unbelievable. 104 00:03:52,971 --> 00:03:54,407 It's just really hard to imagine 105 00:03:54,451 --> 00:03:55,973 this was even possible. 106 00:03:56,017 --> 00:03:57,323 You know, all the-- 107 00:03:57,367 --> 00:03:59,324 all the things that make cops so great, 108 00:03:59,369 --> 00:04:01,545 all the bravery and courage that they have. 109 00:04:01,588 --> 00:04:03,329 And then you have these two guys who are really-- 110 00:04:03,373 --> 00:04:04,983 in essence, they were just mobsters 111 00:04:05,026 --> 00:04:08,291 who were able to infiltrate the NYPD. 112 00:04:08,334 --> 00:04:09,988 But it was hard to make the case, 113 00:04:10,031 --> 00:04:11,946 because there was no concrete evidence. 114 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:14,993 So nothing came of it, in that it was always kind of rumored 115 00:04:15,036 --> 00:04:17,473 that the Lucchese family had somebody in the NYPD 116 00:04:17,517 --> 00:04:19,171 who was not only providing information 117 00:04:19,214 --> 00:04:21,695 but committing homicides on their behalf. 118 00:04:21,739 --> 00:04:23,697 Eight murders, and a lot of attempted murders 119 00:04:23,741 --> 00:04:25,308 and homicides that we didn't know about. 120 00:04:25,351 --> 00:04:26,874 But again, not enough to make the case. 121 00:04:26,918 --> 00:04:28,615 It was very frustrating. 122 00:04:28,659 --> 00:04:29,616 - What happens from there? 123 00:04:29,660 --> 00:04:30,791 How do you get the case? 124 00:04:30,835 --> 00:04:33,141 How did you come in? 125 00:04:33,185 --> 00:04:36,057 - I arrived in '99, on the Lucchese Squad. 126 00:04:36,101 --> 00:04:37,885 They said, "Take a run at this." 127 00:04:37,929 --> 00:04:39,409 It was probably one of the largest 128 00:04:39,452 --> 00:04:40,975 public corruption cases that had been worked... 129 00:04:41,019 --> 00:04:42,325 - Yeah. - In the city 130 00:04:42,368 --> 00:04:43,369 up to that time, yeah. - Absolutely. 131 00:04:43,413 --> 00:04:44,631 If I remember correctly, 132 00:04:44,675 --> 00:04:47,330 I think your dad was NYPD, right? 133 00:04:47,373 --> 00:04:48,983 - Yeah, my dad was a sergeant in the NYPD. 134 00:04:49,027 --> 00:04:51,725 - Okay. both: So yeah. 135 00:04:51,769 --> 00:04:54,424 - This case was personal, but we had no leads. 136 00:04:54,467 --> 00:04:56,208 The case really went cold. 137 00:04:59,124 --> 00:05:00,734 A few years later, I just remember 138 00:05:00,778 --> 00:05:02,519 being called into the supervisor's office 139 00:05:02,562 --> 00:05:04,434 and saying, "Hey, an associate of the Lucchese family 140 00:05:04,477 --> 00:05:05,609 wants to cooperate." 141 00:05:05,652 --> 00:05:07,393 Burt Kaplan. - What happens? 142 00:05:07,437 --> 00:05:10,222 Do you get someone from the jail 143 00:05:10,265 --> 00:05:12,964 or his attorney call the FBI and say, 144 00:05:13,007 --> 00:05:16,402 "Hey, I've got someone who's worked with the mob for years. 145 00:05:16,446 --> 00:05:18,752 He wants to give youse information"? 146 00:05:18,796 --> 00:05:20,319 - Honestly, when you mention the name, 147 00:05:20,363 --> 00:05:21,494 "Burt Kaplan wants to cooperate," 148 00:05:21,538 --> 00:05:22,625 everybody knows what that means. 149 00:05:22,669 --> 00:05:24,454 We know what it's about. 150 00:05:24,497 --> 00:05:26,064 He was the one who would bring the information 151 00:05:26,107 --> 00:05:27,718 from the cops to the Lucchese family, 152 00:05:27,761 --> 00:05:29,981 and they would give the order for the hit. 153 00:05:30,024 --> 00:05:32,679 He would bring it to the cops, negotiate a price, 154 00:05:32,723 --> 00:05:34,115 'cause, you know, they would ask 155 00:05:34,159 --> 00:05:35,116 for a certain amount of money. 156 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,117 They would go back and forth, 157 00:05:36,161 --> 00:05:37,771 and then settle on a price. 158 00:05:37,815 --> 00:05:39,947 So he was really the key to the case. 159 00:05:39,991 --> 00:05:43,124 - Why would he want to now cooperate 160 00:05:43,168 --> 00:05:45,300 and bring in some information on this case? 161 00:05:45,344 --> 00:05:47,781 - Kaplan was in jail for trafficking marijuana, 162 00:05:47,825 --> 00:05:50,915 and he got a 27-year hit on a federal charge. 163 00:05:50,958 --> 00:05:53,178 He figures he's got 17 years left on his term. 164 00:05:53,221 --> 00:05:54,962 He's gonna be a grandfather. 165 00:05:55,006 --> 00:05:56,311 He's diagnosed with prostate cancer. 166 00:05:56,355 --> 00:05:57,487 And he's like, "You know what? 167 00:05:57,530 --> 00:05:58,705 "I'm gonna just give all this up. 168 00:05:58,749 --> 00:05:59,924 "I'm gonna cooperate. 169 00:05:59,967 --> 00:06:01,404 I'm gonna give them what they want," 170 00:06:01,447 --> 00:06:03,493 and that's Eppolito and Caracappa. 171 00:06:03,536 --> 00:06:04,885 - So there was a lot of victims 172 00:06:04,929 --> 00:06:08,019 that these NYPD detectives caused. 173 00:06:08,062 --> 00:06:09,150 - Without a doubt. 174 00:06:14,025 --> 00:06:16,680 The first murder was Israel Greenwald. 175 00:06:16,723 --> 00:06:18,377 He was killed in '86. - Wasn't he the jeweler? 176 00:06:18,421 --> 00:06:20,205 - So he was the jeweler. 177 00:06:20,248 --> 00:06:22,076 He was completely innocent. 178 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,991 Had nothing to do with the mob. 179 00:06:24,035 --> 00:06:25,471 He was approached by Burt Kaplan 180 00:06:25,515 --> 00:06:27,778 to negotiate a bond when he was overseas 181 00:06:27,821 --> 00:06:30,171 on a trip related to his jewelry business. 182 00:06:30,215 --> 00:06:32,130 - A cash bond. - Exactly. 183 00:06:32,173 --> 00:06:33,566 "Hey, listen, when you're over there, 184 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:35,568 can you just, you know, cash this bond?" 185 00:06:35,612 --> 00:06:38,484 Greenwald had no idea that this was a stolen bond, 186 00:06:38,528 --> 00:06:39,920 a government treasury bond 187 00:06:39,964 --> 00:06:42,226 that can only be cashed by the owner. 188 00:06:42,270 --> 00:06:45,099 He took his trip, tried to cash it, 189 00:06:45,143 --> 00:06:48,101 and it set off all sorts of alarms overseas. 190 00:06:48,146 --> 00:06:49,669 Comes back to JFK. 191 00:06:49,713 --> 00:06:52,193 He's approached by the FBI to cooperate. 192 00:06:52,237 --> 00:06:53,543 He says, "Let me think about it." 193 00:06:53,586 --> 00:06:55,196 He makes the mistake of telling Kaplan 194 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,850 that he was approached by the FBI, 195 00:06:56,894 --> 00:06:58,548 and then that was the end of him. 196 00:06:58,591 --> 00:07:00,680 Because think about it: if Greenwald talks, 197 00:07:00,724 --> 00:07:02,726 everyone--Burt Kaplan and the whole Lucchese family-- 198 00:07:02,769 --> 00:07:04,858 could be implicated. 199 00:07:04,902 --> 00:07:08,688 So Eppolito and Caracappa pull him over. 200 00:07:08,732 --> 00:07:10,211 They say they need him 201 00:07:10,255 --> 00:07:13,171 to identify somebody in a hit and run. 202 00:07:13,214 --> 00:07:14,477 Put him in the back of the squad car, 203 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,914 take him over to Nostrand Avenue. 204 00:07:18,481 --> 00:07:21,048 Three people walk in. 205 00:07:21,092 --> 00:07:23,355 [gunshot] Two people walk out. 206 00:07:23,398 --> 00:07:26,401 He's killed and buried in the garage. 207 00:07:32,843 --> 00:07:35,019 Eppolito and Caracappa were paid $25,000 208 00:07:35,062 --> 00:07:37,369 to kill Israel Greenwald, and that's the first murder. 209 00:07:38,936 --> 00:07:40,241 There were eight homicides 210 00:07:40,285 --> 00:07:42,287 spanning from the mid '80s 211 00:07:42,330 --> 00:07:45,899 till the early '90s. 212 00:07:45,943 --> 00:07:47,422 Something you can't even wrap your head around... 213 00:07:47,466 --> 00:07:48,772 - No. - That people would be capable 214 00:07:48,815 --> 00:07:49,947 of this. - Absolutely. 215 00:07:49,990 --> 00:07:51,296 And for such a long period of time. 216 00:07:51,339 --> 00:07:53,037 And got away with it, right? - Right. Right. 217 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,778 - That's what's amazing to me. 218 00:07:54,821 --> 00:07:56,954 - If it were not for Burt Kaplan coming forward, 219 00:07:56,997 --> 00:07:59,434 there would be no case against the mafia cops. 220 00:07:59,478 --> 00:08:00,697 But there was a problem. 221 00:08:00,740 --> 00:08:01,915 We couldn't arrest them for the murders 222 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:03,700 because it was more than five years 223 00:08:03,743 --> 00:08:05,179 after they allegedly took place. 224 00:08:07,181 --> 00:08:09,967 All of this happened in the mid- to late '80s. 225 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:12,360 And now we're in 2004, which is past 226 00:08:12,404 --> 00:08:15,799 the statute of limitations for federal prosecutions. 227 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:41,476 We have to see what these cops are doing. 228 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:42,695 They retired from the police department. 229 00:08:42,739 --> 00:08:43,653 They moved out to Las Vegas. 230 00:08:46,525 --> 00:08:48,005 Eppolito goes first. 231 00:08:48,048 --> 00:08:49,615 A few years later, Caracappa follows 232 00:08:49,659 --> 00:08:51,356 and buys a house right across the street. 233 00:08:53,663 --> 00:08:55,273 - But even though they moved to Vegas, 234 00:08:55,316 --> 00:08:57,449 they've probably been doing bad things all along. 235 00:08:57,492 --> 00:08:59,016 They're like, "Hey, we're in Vegas. 236 00:08:59,059 --> 00:09:00,365 Anything goes in Vegas," you know. 237 00:09:00,408 --> 00:09:01,540 - I think they thought, "Yeah, 238 00:09:01,584 --> 00:09:03,020 "this thing was a rumor years ago. 239 00:09:03,063 --> 00:09:05,413 We got away from it." 240 00:09:05,457 --> 00:09:07,067 And they were just living the life out there. 241 00:09:07,111 --> 00:09:08,634 So that was a lot of the work, really, 242 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:10,288 just kind of trying to figure that out, 243 00:09:10,331 --> 00:09:11,594 to really just see what they're doing. 244 00:09:11,637 --> 00:09:12,856 Caracappa was working in a women's prison. 245 00:09:16,033 --> 00:09:18,252 Eppolito, he was, you know, a wannabe actor. 246 00:09:18,296 --> 00:09:19,819 He was in "Goodfellas," believe it or not. 247 00:09:19,863 --> 00:09:21,604 - I remember that. - And then there was 248 00:09:21,647 --> 00:09:24,345 Mo Black's brother, Fat Andy. - How you doing, buddy? 249 00:09:24,389 --> 00:09:25,999 - Always had these visions of grandeur. 250 00:09:28,219 --> 00:09:31,178 - I think there's no such thing as a bad coincidence. 251 00:09:31,222 --> 00:09:33,354 - Eppolito really wanted to write a screenplay 252 00:09:33,398 --> 00:09:35,356 and become famous, connect with Hollywood. 253 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:36,619 And trying to sell them-- 254 00:09:36,662 --> 00:09:38,664 that's what he was really doing. 255 00:09:38,708 --> 00:09:42,015 He wrote a book called "Mafia Cop." 256 00:09:42,059 --> 00:09:43,669 And he goes on "Sally Jessy Raphael," 257 00:09:43,713 --> 00:09:45,540 a talk show, to promote his book. 258 00:09:47,194 --> 00:09:48,848 - What do you do now, Big Lou? 259 00:09:48,892 --> 00:09:50,981 - Well, I've acted in nine movies. 260 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:53,113 I've been in "Goodfellas," "State of Grace." 261 00:09:53,157 --> 00:09:54,637 I tried writing a screenplay. 262 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:56,508 Gene Hackman has been really great with me, 263 00:09:56,551 --> 00:09:58,336 and Mikhail Baryshnikov. 264 00:09:58,379 --> 00:10:00,686 And I did a movie with them called "Company Business." 265 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:02,122 And I wrote a screenplay, 266 00:10:02,166 --> 00:10:03,341 and it was bought by New Line Cinema. 267 00:10:03,384 --> 00:10:04,734 - Is this better than policing? 268 00:10:04,777 --> 00:10:07,214 - Oh, beats getting shot at any day, yeah. 269 00:10:07,258 --> 00:10:08,999 - It was just pretty shocking to see, 270 00:10:09,042 --> 00:10:10,827 because he just really can't keep his mouth shut. 271 00:10:10,870 --> 00:10:13,220 - He hurts himself, right? - Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 272 00:10:13,264 --> 00:10:14,395 So we were just trying to figure out, 273 00:10:14,439 --> 00:10:17,050 who can we get to get into these guys? 274 00:10:17,094 --> 00:10:19,966 Soon I got to pack my bags and go out to Vegas. 275 00:10:20,010 --> 00:10:22,708 I have to spend some significant time out there. 276 00:10:27,278 --> 00:10:28,888 - So how was that for you? 277 00:10:28,932 --> 00:10:31,848 How did you feel, you know, now taking on this big case? 278 00:10:31,891 --> 00:10:33,676 - You know, that was a lot of pressure. 279 00:10:33,719 --> 00:10:36,722 I had a daughter who, at the time of the mafia cop case, 280 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:38,855 was three. 281 00:10:38,898 --> 00:10:40,726 And then I had a little boy, so-- 282 00:10:40,770 --> 00:10:42,772 - Wow, that's tough. - Yeah, so it was a lot. 283 00:10:48,734 --> 00:10:51,345 So we worked together with both the FBI and the DEA 284 00:10:51,389 --> 00:10:54,131 out in Las Vegas. 285 00:10:54,174 --> 00:10:56,220 What we needed to do was to get a criminal act 286 00:10:56,263 --> 00:10:57,482 that was occurring in Las Vegas 287 00:10:57,525 --> 00:10:58,831 within the last five years 288 00:10:58,875 --> 00:11:00,267 to get within the RICO statute. 289 00:11:07,535 --> 00:11:09,624 So we have to prove that the conspiracy is continuing. 290 00:11:09,668 --> 00:11:10,800 - The conspiracy they're working together 291 00:11:10,843 --> 00:11:12,236 and they knew about it, yeah. - Right. 292 00:11:12,279 --> 00:11:13,628 That they're still engaged in a criminal enterprise 293 00:11:13,672 --> 00:11:16,893 that could be linked to the killings. 294 00:11:16,936 --> 00:11:18,416 Then Eppolito and Caracappa could be charged 295 00:11:18,459 --> 00:11:20,548 for the murders. 296 00:11:20,592 --> 00:11:21,680 So we were just trying to figure out, 297 00:11:21,724 --> 00:11:23,073 who can we get to flip? 298 00:11:23,116 --> 00:11:24,596 Who can we wire up, get them in there? 299 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:27,338 'Cause as you know, that's the best way to make a case. 300 00:11:27,381 --> 00:11:29,949 And then we come across this guy, Steve Corso. 301 00:11:29,993 --> 00:11:32,169 He was an accountant back in Connecticut 302 00:11:32,212 --> 00:11:35,563 who had swindled his clients out of millions of dollars. 303 00:11:35,607 --> 00:11:38,218 Corso was arrested, and then he went out to Vegas 304 00:11:38,262 --> 00:11:41,178 to try to work off his time with the Las Vegas FBI 305 00:11:41,221 --> 00:11:45,356 to find a case that's, you know, gonna help him out. 306 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:47,314 I knew he wanted to get out from under these charges 307 00:11:47,358 --> 00:11:49,229 that were weighing on him. 308 00:11:49,273 --> 00:11:51,754 So that kind of set off the bells: this could be our guy. 309 00:11:51,797 --> 00:11:53,320 This could be the guy who could meet 310 00:11:53,364 --> 00:11:54,582 with Eppolito and Caracappa 311 00:11:54,626 --> 00:11:56,889 and see what they're really up to. 312 00:11:56,933 --> 00:11:59,065 - When you spoke with him, though, 313 00:11:59,109 --> 00:12:00,980 did you play nice with him? 314 00:12:01,024 --> 00:12:03,287 - So just trying to really, you know, get him on board 315 00:12:03,330 --> 00:12:06,594 and get him to understand how this is gonna work, 316 00:12:06,638 --> 00:12:08,379 and, you know, trying to allay his fears, 317 00:12:08,422 --> 00:12:10,120 'cause Corso was getting very nervous. 318 00:12:10,163 --> 00:12:12,296 - He was almost saying, "Screw you, I'm not doing this." 319 00:12:12,339 --> 00:12:13,819 - Right. Like a lot of the witnesses 320 00:12:13,863 --> 00:12:16,779 that we've talked to and met with, they were terrified, 321 00:12:16,822 --> 00:12:19,694 not only because these guys were mobsters, they were cops. 322 00:12:19,738 --> 00:12:20,695 And I'm supposed to fool them? 323 00:12:20,739 --> 00:12:22,959 Corso was saying exactly that. 324 00:12:23,002 --> 00:12:24,308 "Hey, listen, you got me in with these guys 325 00:12:24,351 --> 00:12:27,093 who are organized crime, and they're detectives." 326 00:12:27,137 --> 00:12:28,355 - And they're cops too. - Yeah. 327 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:29,617 So you would think that they're gonna be 328 00:12:29,661 --> 00:12:31,837 a little more leery of somebody coming in. 329 00:12:31,881 --> 00:12:33,012 - Yeah. - "What if they're onto me?" 330 00:12:35,406 --> 00:12:36,799 - How did you convince him? 331 00:12:36,842 --> 00:12:38,365 - I knew he had young children, 332 00:12:38,409 --> 00:12:39,889 so just really trying to appeal to that piece of him. 333 00:12:39,932 --> 00:12:41,107 You know, "You can really do this. 334 00:12:41,151 --> 00:12:42,674 "You can do the right thing. 335 00:12:42,717 --> 00:12:44,197 "You can get this done, and this is gonna help you. 336 00:12:44,241 --> 00:12:45,677 Cooperate and get back to your family," basically. 337 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,461 - All right, so how do you get Corso 338 00:12:47,505 --> 00:12:49,724 to meet with Eppolito and Caracappa? 339 00:12:49,768 --> 00:12:53,163 I know when we worked a lot of the organized crime cases, 340 00:12:53,206 --> 00:12:54,817 you know, sometimes they were undercover. 341 00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:57,863 What techniques did you guys use? 342 00:12:57,907 --> 00:12:59,865 What were the next steps that you guys did? 343 00:13:01,824 --> 00:13:04,304 - So Corso now has to become what Eppolito wants, 344 00:13:04,348 --> 00:13:05,784 which is somebody who can help him 345 00:13:05,828 --> 00:13:07,394 connect with Hollywood, right? 346 00:13:07,438 --> 00:13:08,439 "You're that guy who can get the money 347 00:13:08,482 --> 00:13:09,875 "for these screenplays. 348 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:11,050 "You're the guy who can make the connections. 349 00:13:11,094 --> 00:13:12,312 "You have people coming in from Hollywood 350 00:13:12,356 --> 00:13:13,879 "all the time, meeting with you. 351 00:13:13,923 --> 00:13:16,708 So that's gonna be you now, to him," which wasn't easy. 352 00:13:16,751 --> 00:13:18,057 We're talking about two detectives, 353 00:13:18,101 --> 00:13:19,972 so they're smarter than the average person. 354 00:13:20,016 --> 00:13:22,279 And then he understood what he had to do. 355 00:13:24,542 --> 00:13:26,674 We took, you know, baby steps with these meetings, 356 00:13:26,718 --> 00:13:28,285 just trying to ingratiate himself-- 357 00:13:28,328 --> 00:13:30,461 getting him on the phone, getting the introductions. 358 00:13:30,504 --> 00:13:32,506 And then it kind of took off, 359 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:34,639 because Eppolito just couldn't get enough of it. 360 00:13:34,682 --> 00:13:36,641 He couldn't get enough of just somebody who could help him. 361 00:13:36,684 --> 00:13:39,208 And just could not get enough of the Hollywood lifestyle, 362 00:13:39,252 --> 00:13:40,863 being around people. - He couldn't help himself. 363 00:13:40,906 --> 00:13:42,647 - No, no. - He just wanted to talk, and-- 364 00:13:42,690 --> 00:13:44,518 - Yeah, just wanted somebody who can 365 00:13:44,562 --> 00:13:45,955 get him connected to Hollywood. 366 00:13:45,998 --> 00:13:48,000 Corso would get closer and closer to Eppolito-- 367 00:13:48,044 --> 00:13:49,828 meet his family, meet his children, 368 00:13:49,872 --> 00:13:51,699 you know, come over for dinner and come to the house. 369 00:13:51,743 --> 00:13:54,224 They were constantly at the casinos, 370 00:13:54,267 --> 00:13:56,530 at the nicer restaurants in the casinos. 371 00:13:56,574 --> 00:13:59,142 Most of the meetings would occur with Eppolito, 372 00:13:59,185 --> 00:14:03,320 and then we would try to get Caracappa into the picture. 373 00:14:03,363 --> 00:14:04,974 - Corso, he's probably scared shitless. 374 00:14:05,017 --> 00:14:06,018 - Yeah. - He's like, "Oh, my God." 375 00:14:06,062 --> 00:14:07,106 - "What am I doing?" - Yeah. 376 00:14:07,150 --> 00:14:08,368 "What have I gotten myself into? 377 00:14:08,412 --> 00:14:09,979 - Right. And I said, "You're almost there." 378 00:14:10,022 --> 00:14:11,545 "We're getting there. You're doing good work. 379 00:14:11,589 --> 00:14:12,851 "It's gonna come to an end soon. 380 00:14:12,895 --> 00:14:14,940 Just trust me. Stick with me." 381 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:18,161 And yeah, it was a lot. 382 00:14:22,992 --> 00:14:25,951 So in 2005, we get to the point where, you know, 383 00:14:25,995 --> 00:14:28,998 I feel that Corso has gained Eppolito's confidence. 384 00:14:29,041 --> 00:14:31,696 And the decision was made that Corso would ask Eppolito 385 00:14:31,739 --> 00:14:34,133 for drugs for Hollywood people that were coming in, 386 00:14:34,177 --> 00:14:35,613 and that they wanted to party. - Wow, OK. 387 00:14:35,656 --> 00:14:37,267 - And, "Can you get me drugs?" 388 00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:38,964 But Caracappa had to be at that meeting too. 389 00:14:39,008 --> 00:14:41,053 That's really the only way it would work to build a case, 390 00:14:41,097 --> 00:14:42,620 to build a significant case. 391 00:14:42,663 --> 00:14:44,448 - How does the meet even start? 392 00:14:46,580 --> 00:14:48,713 - Using the surveillance teams out in Vegas, 393 00:14:48,756 --> 00:14:52,412 we have to get Steve Corso to wire up and meet with them. 394 00:14:56,025 --> 00:14:57,722 The tensions were very high. 395 00:15:02,553 --> 00:15:05,904 - It was a meeting in a hotel in Las Vegas. 396 00:15:05,948 --> 00:15:07,036 They're sitting at a table, 397 00:15:07,079 --> 00:15:08,820 Steve Corso with two NYPD detectives, 398 00:15:08,863 --> 00:15:11,214 asking them for drugs. 399 00:15:11,257 --> 00:15:14,173 And he says, "I have friends that want to come in. 400 00:15:14,217 --> 00:15:16,219 "They want to party. I need some meth and ecstasy. 401 00:15:16,262 --> 00:15:19,483 Can you do that for me?" 402 00:15:19,526 --> 00:15:22,573 Kind of the pause in between that seems forever. 403 00:15:22,616 --> 00:15:25,315 If they said no, then that would have been the end of it. 404 00:15:25,358 --> 00:15:26,533 They could have told him, "Go pound sand. 405 00:15:26,577 --> 00:15:28,231 What are you talking about?" - Yeah. 406 00:15:28,274 --> 00:15:31,538 - And Eppolito says, "Yeah, my son can do that for you." 407 00:15:31,582 --> 00:15:33,583 So he offers up his son to do it. 408 00:15:33,627 --> 00:15:35,890 - That's shitty. That's shitty. - It's pretty shitty. 409 00:15:35,934 --> 00:15:38,458 - So here you've got a bad cop for years, 410 00:15:38,502 --> 00:15:40,025 and now he's gonna put his son in the mix. 411 00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:41,722 - So Corso pushes it. 412 00:15:41,766 --> 00:15:44,682 He's saying, "So you can do it? You can get the meth?" 413 00:15:44,725 --> 00:15:46,814 And then Caracappa chimes in and says, 414 00:15:46,858 --> 00:15:49,426 "Yeah, we can get that done for you." 415 00:15:49,469 --> 00:15:51,732 So they take the bait. 416 00:15:51,776 --> 00:15:53,430 - How long did they say it was gonna take them? 417 00:15:53,473 --> 00:15:54,997 - That occurs within about, 418 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:55,998 like, a week, a week and a half. 419 00:15:58,478 --> 00:16:00,915 Eppolito's son, Anthony, and his friend, Guido, 420 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:04,006 show up at Steve Corso's office. 421 00:16:06,269 --> 00:16:08,097 They deliver the drugs. 422 00:16:11,535 --> 00:16:13,189 And I knew we had it. - Yes. 423 00:16:13,232 --> 00:16:15,017 - We could bring it within the statute now, 424 00:16:15,060 --> 00:16:15,974 because we could show the conspiracy 425 00:16:16,018 --> 00:16:17,193 is continuing out in Vegas. 426 00:16:17,236 --> 00:16:19,282 Now we know we can make this case. 427 00:16:19,325 --> 00:16:20,500 It's go-time. 428 00:16:20,544 --> 00:16:21,893 It's time to prepare for the arrest. 429 00:16:25,331 --> 00:16:26,941 - How did you guys do the arrest, the takedown? 430 00:16:26,985 --> 00:16:28,769 - Again, it's Corso having 431 00:16:28,813 --> 00:16:31,120 Eppolito and Caracappa come to dinner and meet him. 432 00:16:31,163 --> 00:16:33,252 - To arrest the same time, Caracappa and Eppolito? 433 00:16:33,296 --> 00:16:35,341 - They both show up with Corso at the restaurant. 434 00:16:35,385 --> 00:16:36,516 - Yeah. - And they're sitting down 435 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,083 to dinner with Corso, like they have 436 00:16:38,127 --> 00:16:39,824 dozens of times before. - Sure. 437 00:16:39,867 --> 00:16:41,782 - And the takedown happens inside the restaurant. 438 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:44,046 And I can tell you from working cases involving the mob, 439 00:16:44,089 --> 00:16:46,352 that could be a scary proposition. 440 00:16:46,396 --> 00:16:48,224 Everybody was ratcheted up at the time. 441 00:16:48,267 --> 00:16:50,052 You know, really very tense investigators 442 00:16:50,095 --> 00:16:54,099 from the Brooklyn DA's office, the FBI Vegas, DEA Vegas, 443 00:16:54,143 --> 00:16:55,492 take them out in handcuffs. 444 00:16:58,147 --> 00:17:02,107 And, you know, it was a long time coming. 445 00:17:02,151 --> 00:17:04,718 - The government has arrested two alleged mafia hitmen 446 00:17:04,762 --> 00:17:08,286 who once served as New York City police detectives. 447 00:17:08,331 --> 00:17:11,377 - Caracappa and Eppolito were paid handsomely 448 00:17:11,420 --> 00:17:14,206 for selling out the files of the NYPD. 449 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:16,339 - Both men are being held without bail, 450 00:17:16,382 --> 00:17:19,429 accused of being killers for the mob. 451 00:17:19,472 --> 00:17:21,604 - The news coverage, Cindy, I cannot even explain 452 00:17:21,648 --> 00:17:23,433 how broad it was. 453 00:17:23,476 --> 00:17:24,434 - No, that's awesome. - Yeah. 454 00:17:24,477 --> 00:17:26,523 - So next steps. 455 00:17:26,565 --> 00:17:29,482 They're arrested, and you guys go out to Eppolito's house. 456 00:17:31,354 --> 00:17:33,834 - Yeah, so we execute a search warrant on the house. 457 00:17:33,878 --> 00:17:35,880 His wife is home. His kids are home. 458 00:17:35,923 --> 00:17:37,925 They're shocked, and they're emotional, 459 00:17:37,969 --> 00:17:39,318 as you can imagine. 460 00:17:39,362 --> 00:17:40,624 They're freaking out, basically. 461 00:17:40,667 --> 00:17:42,147 - What do you find? - I think he had 462 00:17:42,191 --> 00:17:44,018 an excess of 300 guns, if I remember. 463 00:17:44,062 --> 00:17:45,759 - What the heck? - Yeah, locked up in safes. 464 00:17:45,803 --> 00:17:47,283 So, you know, taking those out. 465 00:17:47,326 --> 00:17:49,111 And then, you know, Cindy, what we found in the garage, 466 00:17:49,154 --> 00:17:51,330 which was so strange, was an original case file 467 00:17:51,374 --> 00:17:52,897 of a homicide investigation. 468 00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:54,986 - Yeah, so he took a file from NYPD when he retired. 469 00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:56,161 - Takes a file with him, right. 470 00:17:56,205 --> 00:17:57,728 He had access to the Lucchese files 471 00:17:57,771 --> 00:17:58,990 in the police department. 472 00:17:59,033 --> 00:18:00,296 And Eppolito took that case out 473 00:18:00,339 --> 00:18:02,124 so that nobody would ever know what happened. 474 00:18:02,167 --> 00:18:03,908 - These guys were bad cops. 475 00:18:03,951 --> 00:18:05,649 - Yeah, they were bad guys. 476 00:18:08,608 --> 00:18:13,178 Caracappa, he was very much of the mindset that-- 477 00:18:13,222 --> 00:18:15,137 "I cannot go to jail" was what he kept saying. 478 00:18:18,183 --> 00:18:20,751 They were both bailed out, which is pretty shocking. 479 00:18:20,794 --> 00:18:23,362 [indistinct chatter] - It's ludicrous. 480 00:18:23,406 --> 00:18:28,411 Anybody that knows me knows I love the police department. 481 00:18:28,454 --> 00:18:30,543 I couldn't kill anybody. 482 00:18:30,587 --> 00:18:32,676 All I know is that I am here now, 483 00:18:32,719 --> 00:18:34,504 and I'm fighting for my life. 484 00:18:34,547 --> 00:18:38,029 I'm fighting for my reputation. 485 00:18:38,072 --> 00:18:40,249 I want to be vindicated of this. 486 00:18:40,292 --> 00:18:42,251 And I'm mad, and I'm angry. 487 00:18:42,294 --> 00:18:44,078 But we'll put up the evidence 488 00:18:44,122 --> 00:18:47,647 to show that we couldn't have done these crimes. 489 00:18:47,691 --> 00:18:49,258 We just couldn't have done them. 490 00:18:49,301 --> 00:18:52,217 - It was always just kind of, "No, we didn't do this." 491 00:18:52,261 --> 00:18:54,219 - I was a very highly-decorated cop. 492 00:18:54,263 --> 00:18:55,742 I worked very hard my whole life. 493 00:18:55,786 --> 00:18:58,180 And, um, I just want the people to know 494 00:18:58,223 --> 00:19:00,182 that I'm not the person that they're portraying me. 495 00:19:00,225 --> 00:19:01,618 - Louis, were you ever a bad cop? 496 00:19:01,661 --> 00:19:02,923 - Never in my life. 497 00:19:02,967 --> 00:19:05,099 - Never coming off that position. 498 00:19:05,143 --> 00:19:06,536 It was just pretty shocking to see. 499 00:19:06,579 --> 00:19:07,928 - Wow. - And I guess that's 500 00:19:07,972 --> 00:19:09,278 how you live with yourself in the end, right? 501 00:19:09,321 --> 00:19:10,583 And just to think about, you know, 502 00:19:10,627 --> 00:19:12,324 all the information that they gave up, 503 00:19:12,368 --> 00:19:16,241 all the sources who came in and trusted law enforcement 504 00:19:16,285 --> 00:19:17,677 and tried to provide information. 505 00:19:17,721 --> 00:19:19,244 And they were killed as a result of it, 506 00:19:19,288 --> 00:19:21,246 because of the information that these cops gave. 507 00:19:21,290 --> 00:19:23,074 All the good cops that I worked with on the task force 508 00:19:23,117 --> 00:19:25,163 throughout the years-- and I'm sure you have too-- 509 00:19:25,207 --> 00:19:27,426 all the investigations that agents and detectives 510 00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:29,907 put years in of their career, 511 00:19:29,950 --> 00:19:31,735 and they were just blown up because these guys 512 00:19:31,778 --> 00:19:34,651 were on the payroll for the Lucchese family. 513 00:19:34,694 --> 00:19:36,783 They wanted them taken down as much as anybody, you know? 514 00:19:36,827 --> 00:19:39,046 - No, 'cause it's a scar against the agency. 515 00:19:43,137 --> 00:19:45,270 Did you guys find any of the bodies? 516 00:19:45,314 --> 00:19:46,532 - So we did. 517 00:19:46,576 --> 00:19:48,534 We knew what happened to them, 518 00:19:48,578 --> 00:19:52,190 and we knew where the body of Israel Greenwald was buried. 519 00:19:58,588 --> 00:20:00,459 This is really compelling evidence that 520 00:20:00,503 --> 00:20:02,896 we can use against Eppolito and Caracappa in court. 521 00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:13,167 So now, it's time to prepare for the trial. 522 00:20:13,211 --> 00:20:14,995 So they were charged with eight murders, 523 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:17,128 two attempted murders, a murder conspiracy, 524 00:20:17,171 --> 00:20:19,565 obstruction of justice, drug distribution, 525 00:20:19,609 --> 00:20:21,045 and money laundering. 526 00:20:21,088 --> 00:20:22,307 I think it was 35 witnesses. 527 00:20:22,351 --> 00:20:24,440 It took over two weeks. 528 00:20:24,483 --> 00:20:25,963 Burt Kaplan was the star witness. 529 00:20:26,006 --> 00:20:27,747 Yeah, he was an amazing witness. 530 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:35,451 The jury was out for a very short time--a day and a half. 531 00:20:35,494 --> 00:20:37,714 And, you know, just kind of that solemn moment 532 00:20:37,757 --> 00:20:39,063 when they're reading the verdict, 533 00:20:39,106 --> 00:20:40,630 and how quiet it is in the courtroom. 534 00:20:40,673 --> 00:20:43,807 I'm sitting at the table with the prosecutor. 535 00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:46,026 And the forewoman in this case stands up, 536 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:47,854 and she's reading just count after count. 537 00:20:47,898 --> 00:20:49,769 Guilty, guilty, guilty. 538 00:20:49,813 --> 00:20:51,423 Guilty on all counts. - All counts. 539 00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:54,948 - Yeah, yeah. - Phenomenal. 540 00:20:54,992 --> 00:20:55,949 - You could hear a pin drop. 541 00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:57,473 The courtroom was packed 542 00:20:57,516 --> 00:20:59,301 with media, family, everybody. 543 00:20:59,344 --> 00:21:00,911 But you couldn't hear a sound. - Right. 544 00:21:00,954 --> 00:21:02,434 - And I just remember they were about halfway 545 00:21:02,478 --> 00:21:05,176 through reading the verdict, and I remember the marshals 546 00:21:05,219 --> 00:21:07,874 moving over towards Eppolito and Caracappa, 547 00:21:07,918 --> 00:21:09,354 telling them to stand up. 548 00:21:09,398 --> 00:21:11,269 And then you hear, "Take off your belt. 549 00:21:11,313 --> 00:21:13,315 Take off your shoelaces." - You knew. 550 00:21:13,358 --> 00:21:15,012 - That's it. They're going. 551 00:21:15,055 --> 00:21:17,014 And they're never coming back. And that was it. 552 00:21:17,057 --> 00:21:19,451 They took them. They brought them away. 553 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:22,889 Eppolito and Caracappa were sentenced to life in prison. 554 00:21:29,113 --> 00:21:31,768 - I still felt the pain. 555 00:21:31,811 --> 00:21:34,771 And I wish that all of that never happened. 556 00:21:34,814 --> 00:21:37,077 - Leah Greenwald never knew what happened to him. 557 00:21:37,121 --> 00:21:39,297 He went to work one day and never came back. 558 00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:41,473 I just remember so vividly, Cindy, 559 00:21:41,517 --> 00:21:44,737 going out to Manhattan to tell her in 2005 560 00:21:44,781 --> 00:21:46,913 that we had found her husband, Israel Greenwald, 561 00:21:46,957 --> 00:21:49,612 buried in that garage. 562 00:21:49,655 --> 00:21:51,570 I remember walking into her apartment 563 00:21:51,614 --> 00:21:53,485 and just seeing this big family portrait 564 00:21:53,529 --> 00:21:55,095 of her and her husband 565 00:21:55,139 --> 00:21:56,793 and these two beautiful young girls, 566 00:21:56,836 --> 00:21:58,708 who were about my children's age... 567 00:21:58,751 --> 00:22:00,753 - Shame. - And just thinking, wow. 568 00:22:00,797 --> 00:22:02,146 This whole life has turned upside down, 569 00:22:02,189 --> 00:22:03,365 this whole family. 570 00:22:03,408 --> 00:22:05,279 And, you know, telling her the news. 571 00:22:05,323 --> 00:22:08,413 And obviously, it wasn't news that she had hoped for, 572 00:22:08,457 --> 00:22:09,849 but just the kind of sense of closure 573 00:22:09,893 --> 00:22:12,199 that I could tell she was experiencing. 574 00:22:12,243 --> 00:22:13,331 And then just meeting her daughters, 575 00:22:13,375 --> 00:22:14,463 who were, you know, young ladies now 576 00:22:14,506 --> 00:22:16,421 and just wonderful people. 577 00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:18,641 And just seeing her kind of sense of relief 578 00:22:18,684 --> 00:22:20,643 and able then to release the remains to her. 579 00:22:20,686 --> 00:22:22,601 And that was so meaningful for the family. 580 00:22:46,712 --> 00:22:49,236 Never admitted anything, never expressed remorse. 581 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,674 Nothing. 582 00:22:51,717 --> 00:22:53,110 - They never admit. 583 00:22:53,153 --> 00:22:54,807 to the day they died. - To the day they died. 584 00:22:54,851 --> 00:22:55,678 - They're gonna take it to the grave. 585 00:22:55,721 --> 00:22:57,157 - Right. Right. 586 00:22:57,201 --> 00:22:58,245 - Wow. - Yeah. 587 00:23:05,514 --> 00:23:07,994 - Corso, do you know where he is today? 588 00:23:08,038 --> 00:23:10,910 Did he get in trouble again, or is he clean guy now? 589 00:23:10,954 --> 00:23:13,043 - [chuckles] You don't want to know. 590 00:23:22,095 --> 00:23:24,358 - So did you get an award for this? 591 00:23:24,402 --> 00:23:26,796 Because this type of case is one in a million. 592 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:28,101 - So the team did. The team got 593 00:23:28,145 --> 00:23:29,233 the Attorney General's Award 594 00:23:29,276 --> 00:23:30,539 for Excellence in Law Enforcement. 595 00:23:36,066 --> 00:23:37,981 We all traveled down to D.C. 596 00:23:38,024 --> 00:23:40,549 We got the award, you know, went out to dinner together, 597 00:23:40,592 --> 00:23:42,376 and kind of just, uh-- 598 00:23:42,420 --> 00:23:44,509 it was a nice closure for all of us together, yeah. 599 00:23:44,553 --> 00:23:46,642 - Congratulations. You know, it's well-deserved. 600 00:23:46,685 --> 00:23:48,034 - Oh, thank you. - Well-deserved, yeah. 601 00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:49,471 - It was a definite team effort, for sure. 602 00:23:49,514 --> 00:23:52,343 - You know, your dad was NYPD. 603 00:23:52,386 --> 00:23:54,650 And you couldn't tell him about the case at the time. 604 00:23:54,693 --> 00:23:56,652 - Right. - But when the case was over, 605 00:23:56,695 --> 00:23:58,480 did you say, "Dad, that was my case"? 606 00:23:58,523 --> 00:24:01,047 What was it like, telling your dad about this investigation? 607 00:24:01,091 --> 00:24:03,528 - Yeah, so after everything was finished in the verdict, 608 00:24:03,572 --> 00:24:05,530 I was able to kind of have that conversation with him. 609 00:24:05,574 --> 00:24:06,879 You know, "This is the case that I worked. 610 00:24:06,923 --> 00:24:08,881 This is why I was away so much." 611 00:24:08,925 --> 00:24:10,535 - He had to be proud. He had to be proud. 612 00:24:10,579 --> 00:24:11,971 "This was my daughter that did this case." 613 00:24:12,015 --> 00:24:13,233 - Yeah, you know how it is. 614 00:24:13,277 --> 00:24:14,974 They don't talk much about that. 615 00:24:15,018 --> 00:24:17,281 The Irish don't talk much about that. 616 00:24:17,324 --> 00:24:18,804 [laughter] But I knew he was. 617 00:24:18,848 --> 00:24:20,197 I knew he was, yeah. - Yeah, that's awesome. 618 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,067 - He was always great. - That's great. 619 00:24:24,723 --> 00:24:27,683 [tense music] 620 00:24:27,726 --> 00:24:34,603 ♪