1 00:00:01,827 --> 00:00:05,178 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:05,222 --> 00:00:06,397 - The Alfred P. Murrah building 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,268 in downtown Oklahoma City 4 00:00:08,312 --> 00:00:11,445 ripped apart by, as far as we could tell, 5 00:00:11,489 --> 00:00:13,012 a single explosion. 6 00:00:13,056 --> 00:00:15,362 [sirens wailing] 7 00:00:15,406 --> 00:00:19,453 - It comes back to a Ryder truck with explosives in it. 8 00:00:19,497 --> 00:00:21,064 - Where did the vehicle come from? 9 00:00:21,107 --> 00:00:25,111 - The truck was rented by a Robert "Bob" Kling. 10 00:00:25,155 --> 00:00:27,113 Is Timothy McVeigh Robert Kling, 11 00:00:27,157 --> 00:00:30,116 or is there a second person involved? 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,465 [crowd screaming] 13 00:00:31,509 --> 00:00:33,902 [siren wailing] 14 00:00:33,946 --> 00:00:35,556 - About 90 minutes after the bombing, 15 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,647 an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper had stopped McVeigh. 16 00:00:39,691 --> 00:00:43,216 - We have no doubt that Timothy McVeigh 17 00:00:43,260 --> 00:00:45,262 is involved with the bombing. 18 00:00:45,305 --> 00:00:47,133 ♪ 19 00:00:47,177 --> 00:00:49,788 - You murderer! 20 00:00:49,831 --> 00:00:52,095 ♪ 21 00:00:52,138 --> 00:00:54,009 - Now, with one suspect in jail, 22 00:00:54,053 --> 00:00:56,795 the FBI says another remains on the loose. 23 00:00:56,838 --> 00:00:58,797 - When Timothy McVeigh was booked, 24 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,060 he gave an address in Decker, Michigan. 25 00:01:01,104 --> 00:01:03,454 We immediately dispatch agents. 26 00:01:03,497 --> 00:01:05,020 - All right, they're going into the house. 27 00:01:05,064 --> 00:01:06,587 They are walking into the house. 28 00:01:06,631 --> 00:01:10,113 - The basic tenants of hatred, hatred for the government, 29 00:01:10,156 --> 00:01:11,549 are alive and well. 30 00:01:11,592 --> 00:01:13,159 ♪ 31 00:01:13,203 --> 00:01:15,379 McVeigh tried to recruit Fortier. 32 00:01:15,422 --> 00:01:19,338 - We actually put wiretaps on Fortier's residence. 33 00:01:19,383 --> 00:01:21,385 We have him under constant surveillance. 34 00:01:21,428 --> 00:01:24,562 ♪ 35 00:01:24,605 --> 00:01:26,738 - We had 4,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate. 36 00:01:26,781 --> 00:01:30,176 ♪ 37 00:01:30,219 --> 00:01:32,177 - Literally, he was trying to start a war 38 00:01:32,222 --> 00:01:34,180 against the United States. 39 00:01:36,790 --> 00:01:38,314 [dramatic music] 40 00:01:38,358 --> 00:01:41,534 - In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 41 00:01:41,579 --> 00:01:44,538 ♪ 42 00:01:44,582 --> 00:01:46,061 Drug busts, 43 00:01:46,105 --> 00:01:48,890 mob stings, 44 00:01:48,933 --> 00:01:50,675 terrorist takedowns. 45 00:01:50,718 --> 00:01:52,807 - Get down! Get down! 46 00:01:52,851 --> 00:01:55,201 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 47 00:01:55,245 --> 00:01:56,201 - Mark it. 48 00:01:56,246 --> 00:01:57,725 - Freeze! - FBI. 49 00:01:57,769 --> 00:01:59,379 - FBI! - Action! 50 00:01:59,423 --> 00:02:01,425 - But they don't know the half of it. 51 00:02:01,468 --> 00:02:02,991 [indistinct radio chatter] 52 00:02:03,035 --> 00:02:05,168 What really goes down, 53 00:02:05,211 --> 00:02:07,387 we save that for each other 54 00:02:07,431 --> 00:02:09,520 when we're talking agent-to-agent. 55 00:02:09,563 --> 00:02:12,479 ♪ 56 00:02:12,523 --> 00:02:15,743 This is "FBI True." 57 00:02:19,573 --> 00:02:22,533 [dramatic music] 58 00:02:22,576 --> 00:02:24,012 ♪ 59 00:02:24,056 --> 00:02:25,622 - It's very chaotic. 60 00:02:25,666 --> 00:02:28,103 We don't know exactly what caused the explosion. 61 00:02:28,146 --> 00:02:29,583 Police reports have said that 62 00:02:29,627 --> 00:02:31,759 it is in the federal courthouse building. 63 00:02:31,803 --> 00:02:33,761 - The fear generated by the Oklahoma explosion 64 00:02:33,805 --> 00:02:35,154 is rippling across the country. 65 00:02:35,198 --> 00:02:37,287 - Now, with one suspect in jail, 66 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:40,072 the FBI says another remains on the loose. 67 00:02:40,115 --> 00:02:43,162 - We have Timothy McVeigh in custody. 68 00:02:43,206 --> 00:02:46,818 ♪ 69 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:48,559 - He was actually sitting in jail 70 00:02:48,602 --> 00:02:50,473 in a small town called Perry. 71 00:02:50,517 --> 00:02:53,651 - You're in charge of this ginormous event. 72 00:02:53,694 --> 00:02:55,043 What are you thinking, Bob? 73 00:02:55,086 --> 00:02:56,741 - Did he deliver the bomb? 74 00:02:56,784 --> 00:02:59,265 Did he participate in building the bomb? 75 00:02:59,309 --> 00:03:01,267 Was he just a co-conspirator? 76 00:03:01,311 --> 00:03:02,703 None of these questions 77 00:03:02,747 --> 00:03:04,836 we have fully answered at this stage, 78 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,230 but we have no doubt 79 00:03:07,273 --> 00:03:09,841 that Timothy McVeigh is involved 80 00:03:09,884 --> 00:03:13,148 with the bombing in Oklahoma City. 81 00:03:13,192 --> 00:03:15,629 - You murderer! 82 00:03:15,673 --> 00:03:19,807 ♪ 83 00:03:19,851 --> 00:03:21,287 - What happens next? 84 00:03:21,331 --> 00:03:22,984 - Troopers had stayed with McVeigh's car 85 00:03:23,028 --> 00:03:24,464 to make sure nothing happened to it. 86 00:03:24,508 --> 00:03:26,205 I accompanied the vehicle with a trooper 87 00:03:26,249 --> 00:03:28,338 to this remote location, 88 00:03:28,381 --> 00:03:31,819 and we relocated that to a secure off-site, 89 00:03:31,863 --> 00:03:36,084 where our evidence response team could process it. 90 00:03:36,128 --> 00:03:38,435 And inside were a lot of documents, 91 00:03:38,478 --> 00:03:40,263 references to "The Turner Diaries," 92 00:03:40,306 --> 00:03:42,047 some of McVeigh's handwritten notes. 93 00:03:42,090 --> 00:03:43,657 - What is "The Turner Diaries"? 94 00:03:43,701 --> 00:03:47,313 - Turner Diaries is a novel, a fictional work 95 00:03:47,357 --> 00:03:50,142 where a group of right-wing extremists, 96 00:03:50,185 --> 00:03:52,275 they destroy a federal building in DC 97 00:03:52,318 --> 00:03:53,624 and kill hundreds of people. 98 00:03:53,667 --> 00:03:54,886 - The FBI buildings. - Yes. 99 00:03:54,929 --> 00:03:59,151 ♪ 100 00:03:59,194 --> 00:04:00,370 - Wow. 101 00:04:00,413 --> 00:04:02,285 And that was in the car? 102 00:04:02,328 --> 00:04:04,156 - Pages from it, excerpts from it. 103 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:06,332 There were statements from McVeigh, 104 00:04:06,376 --> 00:04:07,986 some of McVeigh's handwritten notes, 105 00:04:08,029 --> 00:04:10,815 anti-government sentiments that showed some intent. 106 00:04:10,858 --> 00:04:14,340 ♪ 107 00:04:14,384 --> 00:04:17,561 - Deep down in my heart, I felt more than likely 108 00:04:17,603 --> 00:04:19,780 that the Oklahoma City bombing 109 00:04:19,824 --> 00:04:21,781 was connected to the events that had occurred 110 00:04:21,826 --> 00:04:23,871 in Waco two years before. 111 00:04:23,915 --> 00:04:26,439 - Tragedy tonight in Waco, Texas. 112 00:04:26,483 --> 00:04:29,224 At least four federal agents and a member of a cult group 113 00:04:29,268 --> 00:04:31,314 are dead after an hour-long gun battle 114 00:04:31,357 --> 00:04:32,880 at the cult's ranch. 115 00:04:32,924 --> 00:04:35,448 - We know he was at the Branch Davidian standoff, 116 00:04:35,492 --> 00:04:37,232 made numerous trips to Waco. 117 00:04:43,891 --> 00:04:46,503 - And ultimately, the attack on April 19, 118 00:04:46,546 --> 00:04:48,940 the second anniversary of the fire. 119 00:04:48,983 --> 00:04:50,375 That date was so important to him, 120 00:04:50,420 --> 00:04:52,204 he used that date as his date of birth 121 00:04:52,247 --> 00:04:55,903 on the false identification, the Robert Kling ID. 122 00:04:55,947 --> 00:04:57,601 - We learned that the truck was rented 123 00:04:57,644 --> 00:05:00,386 by a Robert "Bob" Kling, 124 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:02,867 a pseudonym of Timothy McVeigh. 125 00:05:02,910 --> 00:05:07,828 ♪ 126 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:11,876 - What happens then? 127 00:05:11,919 --> 00:05:13,138 - When Timothy McVeigh was booked 128 00:05:13,181 --> 00:05:15,532 in the Noble County Jail, 129 00:05:15,575 --> 00:05:17,838 he gave an address in Decker, Michigan. 130 00:05:21,059 --> 00:05:23,714 So we immediately dispatch agents 131 00:05:23,757 --> 00:05:26,543 to Decker, Michigan, which is now the next step 132 00:05:26,586 --> 00:05:29,676 in the investigation. 133 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,288 - Just as the media descended on the Noble County Courthouse 134 00:05:33,332 --> 00:05:35,813 in Perry, Oklahoma, federal agents 135 00:05:35,856 --> 00:05:39,250 began swarming around a farmhouse in Decker, Michigan. 136 00:05:41,819 --> 00:05:44,212 - The authorities have been looking, throughout the day, 137 00:05:44,256 --> 00:05:45,823 at four buildings in particular-- 138 00:05:45,866 --> 00:05:47,564 the farmhouse, a shed, 139 00:05:47,607 --> 00:05:49,566 a metal building, and a red barn. 140 00:05:49,609 --> 00:05:51,916 - It turns out that the property 141 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:55,485 was owned by two brothers, James and Terry Nichols. 142 00:05:59,097 --> 00:06:01,708 - Neighbors were still trying to sort out today 143 00:06:01,752 --> 00:06:04,494 how the Nichols family fits into all of this. 144 00:06:04,537 --> 00:06:07,453 Some describe James Nichols as a quiet farmer. 145 00:06:07,497 --> 00:06:09,716 Another told of seeing Terry Nichols detonate 146 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,283 a bomb several years ago. 147 00:06:14,286 --> 00:06:15,940 - All right, they're going into the house. 148 00:06:15,983 --> 00:06:17,420 They are walking into the house. 149 00:06:18,290 --> 00:06:21,162 - So what do you say about the bombing? 150 00:06:21,206 --> 00:06:24,078 - Terry Nichols had actually-- had left the property, 151 00:06:24,122 --> 00:06:25,471 but we learned that Terry Nichols 152 00:06:25,515 --> 00:06:27,212 and Tim McVeigh are best friends. 153 00:06:27,255 --> 00:06:28,866 - Wow. - Both of them expressed 154 00:06:28,909 --> 00:06:33,697 the need to take reprisal against the federal government. 155 00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:36,787 - Timothy McVeigh was a close friend of the Nichols brothers 156 00:06:36,830 --> 00:06:39,137 and a frequent visitor to the farm. 157 00:06:39,180 --> 00:06:42,662 He lived here in the Nichols house for eight months 158 00:06:42,706 --> 00:06:44,055 until about a year ago. 159 00:06:44,098 --> 00:06:46,187 - Terry Nichols now lived in Kansas. 160 00:06:48,886 --> 00:06:50,452 We had Terry Nichols under surveillance, 161 00:06:50,496 --> 00:06:54,065 but we weren't trying to be secretive about it. 162 00:06:54,108 --> 00:06:55,980 We wanted him to know that we were there. 163 00:06:56,023 --> 00:06:59,331 ♪ 164 00:06:59,374 --> 00:07:01,072 - So we have Timothy McVeigh in custody. 165 00:07:01,115 --> 00:07:02,508 You were watching Terry Nichols. 166 00:07:02,552 --> 00:07:04,205 Now what? 167 00:07:04,249 --> 00:07:07,078 - Well, now we're trying to see, who is Timothy McVeigh? 168 00:07:07,121 --> 00:07:08,949 What is his role in the bombing? 169 00:07:08,993 --> 00:07:10,777 We do not have the whole picture. 170 00:07:13,301 --> 00:07:15,434 Not only are we trying to prove a criminal case, 171 00:07:15,478 --> 00:07:16,914 we want to know why. 172 00:07:16,957 --> 00:07:18,350 Why did this happen? - Yeah. 173 00:07:18,393 --> 00:07:21,092 - What could cause somebody to do this? 174 00:07:21,135 --> 00:07:23,268 And the only way to really do that 175 00:07:23,311 --> 00:07:25,226 was to examine his entire life. 176 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:28,142 What was the contributing factor that caused someone 177 00:07:28,186 --> 00:07:30,971 like Timothy McVeigh to carry out a bombing 178 00:07:31,015 --> 00:07:33,017 against innocent people? 179 00:07:33,060 --> 00:07:36,150 I brought Timothy McVeigh's dad to Oklahoma City. 180 00:07:39,197 --> 00:07:42,679 - Suspect Tim McVeigh was escorted from the courthouse. 181 00:07:42,722 --> 00:07:44,681 As McVeigh was being moved, 182 00:07:44,724 --> 00:07:47,248 his father was taken in for questioning. 183 00:07:47,292 --> 00:07:50,469 - He's living in a suburb of Buffalo, New York. 184 00:07:50,513 --> 00:07:52,253 - OK. 185 00:07:52,297 --> 00:07:54,560 - He's a blue collar worker and worked for one company 186 00:07:54,604 --> 00:07:56,257 for most of his life. 187 00:07:56,301 --> 00:07:58,476 Good fellow. You know, salt of the Earth. 188 00:07:58,521 --> 00:07:59,913 - How do you handle things? 189 00:07:59,957 --> 00:08:01,480 How do you get through this? 190 00:08:01,524 --> 00:08:03,047 - A day at a time. 191 00:08:03,090 --> 00:08:04,222 - And of course, he doesn't believe 192 00:08:04,265 --> 00:08:06,093 his son could possibly do this. 193 00:08:06,137 --> 00:08:07,530 But he is very cooperative, 194 00:08:07,573 --> 00:08:09,619 wants to help, do whatever he can. 195 00:08:09,662 --> 00:08:13,840 What he relays is a description of a young man that 196 00:08:13,884 --> 00:08:15,973 was troubled in many ways. 197 00:08:16,016 --> 00:08:20,368 The divorce that his parents had gone through 198 00:08:20,412 --> 00:08:22,370 affected him greatly. 199 00:08:22,414 --> 00:08:25,852 - His mother and father's frequent marital battles 200 00:08:25,896 --> 00:08:28,725 left him feeling angry and isolated. 201 00:08:28,768 --> 00:08:31,423 - He also was one that was bullied. 202 00:08:31,466 --> 00:08:33,599 He was picked on, made fun of. 203 00:08:33,643 --> 00:08:36,036 Actually was a bright young man 204 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,778 that scored around 120 IQ, 205 00:08:38,822 --> 00:08:41,085 but not very successful. 206 00:08:41,128 --> 00:08:42,652 Mediocre. 207 00:08:42,695 --> 00:08:45,742 He loved his granddad, who taught him how to shoot. 208 00:08:45,785 --> 00:08:48,266 He loved to go out and hunt, 209 00:08:48,309 --> 00:08:50,616 and that was something that he was good at. 210 00:08:50,660 --> 00:08:52,879 And then eventually, joins the military. 211 00:08:58,668 --> 00:09:00,844 - He was fairly successful in the military. 212 00:09:00,887 --> 00:09:02,846 He won a Bronze Star. 213 00:09:02,889 --> 00:09:07,590 He killed an Iraqi in combat in Desert Storm. 214 00:09:07,633 --> 00:09:12,159 Timothy McVeigh's dad says that he had two best friends, 215 00:09:12,203 --> 00:09:14,727 Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier. 216 00:09:14,771 --> 00:09:17,121 They had joined the military at the same time, 217 00:09:17,164 --> 00:09:19,645 had gone to boot camp together. 218 00:09:21,647 --> 00:09:24,432 And if anything had happened, 219 00:09:24,476 --> 00:09:26,957 he believed that both of those would have been involved. 220 00:09:35,748 --> 00:09:37,054 - So the dad was suggesting, 221 00:09:37,097 --> 00:09:39,273 hey, you may want to talk to Michael Fortier. 222 00:09:39,317 --> 00:09:40,797 - Right. 223 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,843 So that's when we decide now to dispatch another crew 224 00:09:43,887 --> 00:09:45,976 to Kingman, Arizona, 225 00:09:46,019 --> 00:09:47,804 where Michael Fortier lives 226 00:09:47,847 --> 00:09:50,415 with his wife, Lori, and a young baby. 227 00:09:50,458 --> 00:09:53,636 So that's now a new focus of the investigation. 228 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,640 So we have now the primary locations 229 00:09:57,683 --> 00:10:00,686 are obviously Oklahoma City, Decker, Michigan, 230 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:03,210 Terry Nichols's house in Kansas, 231 00:10:03,254 --> 00:10:06,518 and Kingman, Arizona. 232 00:10:06,561 --> 00:10:10,130 We actually put wiretaps on Fortier's residence, 233 00:10:10,174 --> 00:10:12,176 and he's very circumspect. 234 00:10:12,219 --> 00:10:15,266 He doesn't reveal anything at all 235 00:10:15,309 --> 00:10:17,703 with regard to the bombing. 236 00:10:17,747 --> 00:10:20,663 We approach him, but he's not cooperative initially. 237 00:10:20,706 --> 00:10:21,881 - Are you doing OK? 238 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:26,146 - But we keep the pressure up. 239 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:28,192 We have him under constant surveillance. 240 00:10:28,235 --> 00:10:30,585 Finally, we have subpoenas that are issued 241 00:10:30,629 --> 00:10:32,457 for his appearance in Oklahoma City. 242 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:35,852 - How do we get to him? And what happens with him? 243 00:10:35,895 --> 00:10:37,549 - They knew it was going to happen. 244 00:10:37,592 --> 00:10:38,811 They knew when it was going to happen. 245 00:10:38,855 --> 00:10:40,333 They knew where it was going to happen, 246 00:10:40,378 --> 00:10:42,119 and they knew how it was going to happen. 247 00:10:42,162 --> 00:10:45,252 It really got down to wanting to protect his wife. 248 00:10:45,296 --> 00:10:47,341 They just had a new baby. - OK. 249 00:10:47,385 --> 00:10:49,517 - He was concerned that 250 00:10:49,561 --> 00:10:50,736 if we learned the entire plot... 251 00:10:50,780 --> 00:10:52,564 - Right. 252 00:10:52,607 --> 00:10:54,261 - That she was going to go away for a substantial time. 253 00:10:54,305 --> 00:10:55,698 And she would because 254 00:10:55,741 --> 00:10:58,048 she was as much involved as her husband. 255 00:10:58,091 --> 00:11:00,267 - McVeigh was Fortier's army buddy, 256 00:11:00,311 --> 00:11:02,705 the best man at his wedding, and now Fortier 257 00:11:02,748 --> 00:11:04,707 is McVeigh's most damning accuser. 258 00:11:04,750 --> 00:11:06,665 They both hated the federal government. 259 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:08,711 When Waco went up in flames, 260 00:11:08,754 --> 00:11:11,104 both blamed federal agents for causing the fire. 261 00:11:11,148 --> 00:11:12,889 Fortier testified McVeigh started 262 00:11:12,932 --> 00:11:15,282 to talk about blowing up a government building 263 00:11:15,326 --> 00:11:17,415 on Waco's anniversary. 264 00:11:17,458 --> 00:11:18,895 Fortier-- "He wanted to cause 265 00:11:18,938 --> 00:11:20,853 a general uprising in America." 266 00:11:20,897 --> 00:11:22,463 - While McVeigh was living with him, 267 00:11:22,507 --> 00:11:24,857 he took soup cans from their cupboard 268 00:11:24,901 --> 00:11:28,121 and used them to show how he was going to array the barrels 269 00:11:28,165 --> 00:11:29,819 in the back of the truck to maximize 270 00:11:29,862 --> 00:11:31,646 the damage to the building. 271 00:11:31,690 --> 00:11:35,085 He told Michael Fortier that he and Nichols 272 00:11:35,128 --> 00:11:36,913 had stolen some of the explosives. 273 00:11:36,956 --> 00:11:39,002 It filled in the blanks. 274 00:11:39,045 --> 00:11:41,091 - When it got down to it, 275 00:11:41,134 --> 00:11:43,658 Michael Fortier struck a deal with the government 276 00:11:43,702 --> 00:11:47,053 that he would testify as long as his wife, Lori, 277 00:11:47,097 --> 00:11:49,534 did not go to prison. 278 00:11:49,577 --> 00:11:51,405 - What happened to Terry Nichols? 279 00:11:51,449 --> 00:11:54,669 - Terry Nichols surrendered himself to the local police 280 00:11:54,713 --> 00:11:56,802 once he saw McVeigh was in custody. 281 00:11:56,846 --> 00:11:58,456 - Oh, wow. 282 00:11:58,499 --> 00:11:59,674 - The second suspect, now identified 283 00:11:59,718 --> 00:12:01,720 as Terry Nichols of Decker, Michigan, 284 00:12:01,764 --> 00:12:03,374 surrendered in Herington, Kansas, 285 00:12:03,417 --> 00:12:05,680 without a fight after coming under police surveillance. 286 00:12:05,724 --> 00:12:09,772 - But he did not exercise his Miranda rights. 287 00:12:14,646 --> 00:12:16,387 He was willing to talk with us. - Oh. 288 00:12:16,430 --> 00:12:19,129 - Terry Nichols said that in the fall of '94, 289 00:12:19,172 --> 00:12:22,436 they rented storage sheds to store the components 290 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,134 because we're talking about thousands of pounds 291 00:12:24,177 --> 00:12:26,963 of ammonium nitrate, hundreds of pounds of fuel. 292 00:12:27,006 --> 00:12:28,747 - Ammonium nitrate and fuel oil 293 00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:31,706 were the principal ingredients in the Oklahoma City bomb. 294 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:34,013 - So he facilitated the rental of those. 295 00:12:34,057 --> 00:12:36,059 He purchased the ammonium nitrate 296 00:12:36,102 --> 00:12:38,539 and then actually helped him assemble the bomb out of the-- 297 00:12:38,583 --> 00:12:39,932 - Oh, wow. 298 00:12:39,976 --> 00:12:41,804 - It's called Geary Lake State Park. 299 00:12:41,847 --> 00:12:45,372 - He was directly involved in mixing the bomb, 300 00:12:45,416 --> 00:12:47,026 putting the bomb together. 301 00:12:47,070 --> 00:12:50,464 The weekend before, he went to Oklahoma City 302 00:12:50,508 --> 00:12:53,293 and helped Timothy McVeigh stash the car-- 303 00:12:53,337 --> 00:12:55,513 the getaway car, the Mercury. - OK. 304 00:12:55,556 --> 00:12:58,255 - Picked him up and took him back to Kansas. 305 00:12:58,298 --> 00:12:59,996 He wanted to talk his way out of it, 306 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:02,085 but he also, you know, lied through his teeth. 307 00:13:02,128 --> 00:13:04,304 So it was difficult to know when he was telling the truth 308 00:13:04,348 --> 00:13:05,479 and when he was not. 309 00:13:05,523 --> 00:13:07,394 Most of the time, he was lying, 310 00:13:07,438 --> 00:13:09,962 but he actually gave us some helpful information. 311 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:15,750 - And then the following day, we executed a search warrant 312 00:13:15,794 --> 00:13:17,448 at Terry Nichols' home in Kansas. 313 00:13:17,491 --> 00:13:20,886 [dog barking] 314 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:22,627 - Timothy McVeigh, 315 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:25,369 the man charged in the crime yesterday, remains in custody. 316 00:13:25,412 --> 00:13:27,893 The two Nichols brothers questioned yesterday 317 00:13:27,937 --> 00:13:29,808 are being held as material witnesses, 318 00:13:29,852 --> 00:13:31,375 but have not been charged. 319 00:13:31,418 --> 00:13:33,681 - It was really invaluable, some of the things 320 00:13:33,725 --> 00:13:35,118 that we obtained there. 321 00:13:35,161 --> 00:13:38,730 We recovered 29 or 39 weapons 322 00:13:38,773 --> 00:13:40,645 that had been taken in a burglary, 323 00:13:40,688 --> 00:13:42,734 armed robbery situation. - Oh, wow. 324 00:13:42,777 --> 00:13:46,390 - There were still coins, jade jewelry, 325 00:13:46,433 --> 00:13:48,479 that was taken from a robbery of a guy 326 00:13:48,522 --> 00:13:50,960 named Moore in Arkansas. 327 00:13:51,003 --> 00:13:55,051 This guy dealt and sold a lot of armaments. 328 00:13:55,094 --> 00:13:57,880 - To finance the bombing, McVeigh told Fortier 329 00:13:57,923 --> 00:14:00,534 that they were going to rob Roger Moore. 330 00:14:00,578 --> 00:14:04,625 We found a receipt for 40 50-pound bags 331 00:14:04,669 --> 00:14:06,323 of ammonium nitrate. 332 00:14:06,366 --> 00:14:08,978 It was wrapped around a roll of gold coins, 333 00:14:09,021 --> 00:14:10,414 which were similar to those that were stolen 334 00:14:10,457 --> 00:14:12,764 at the Roger Moore burglary, 335 00:14:12,807 --> 00:14:15,636 but it had Tim McVeigh's fingerprint on it. 336 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:17,769 So that's 2,000 pounds. 337 00:14:17,812 --> 00:14:20,598 We had a general idea about the size of the bomb 338 00:14:20,641 --> 00:14:22,817 based on the damage that we saw, 339 00:14:22,861 --> 00:14:25,168 so we sent agents to the co-op 340 00:14:25,211 --> 00:14:27,692 to see if any other purchases had been made. 341 00:14:27,735 --> 00:14:30,347 In fact, there was one in October and one in September, 342 00:14:30,390 --> 00:14:32,697 both for 2,000 pounds. - Wow. 343 00:14:32,740 --> 00:14:33,872 - That's a lot of fertilizer. 344 00:14:33,916 --> 00:14:39,399 ♪ 345 00:14:39,443 --> 00:14:41,793 - Plus we found out that Terry Nichols, 346 00:14:41,836 --> 00:14:45,231 when he learned that we might be coming for his house, 347 00:14:45,275 --> 00:14:48,060 had taken the ammonium nitrate 348 00:14:48,104 --> 00:14:49,583 and had spread it out over his yard-- 349 00:14:49,627 --> 00:14:51,542 his porch and portions of his yard. 350 00:14:53,848 --> 00:14:55,067 - What are you thinking at this point? 351 00:14:55,111 --> 00:14:56,764 - This was starting to make sense. 352 00:14:56,808 --> 00:14:58,984 We had 4,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate, 353 00:14:59,028 --> 00:15:01,160 which is starting to approximate the estimate 354 00:15:01,204 --> 00:15:02,640 for the size of the device. 355 00:15:02,683 --> 00:15:08,211 ♪ 356 00:15:08,254 --> 00:15:09,777 - There was one key piece of evidence 357 00:15:09,821 --> 00:15:11,431 that we haven't talked about. - Oh. 358 00:15:11,475 --> 00:15:13,085 - There was a calling card 359 00:15:13,129 --> 00:15:15,044 that we recovered during the search warrant 360 00:15:15,087 --> 00:15:17,307 of Terry Nichols' house. 361 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:18,961 But Bridges was a name that they 362 00:15:19,004 --> 00:15:20,658 had used for the calling card. 363 00:15:20,701 --> 00:15:22,442 It was one of the key things that 364 00:15:22,486 --> 00:15:25,663 enable us to tie the entire conspiracy together. 365 00:15:25,706 --> 00:15:27,186 - Oh, wow. 366 00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:29,058 - They thought that they were secretive, 367 00:15:29,101 --> 00:15:31,321 and they would use that to make 368 00:15:31,364 --> 00:15:32,931 their confidential phone calls. 369 00:15:32,975 --> 00:15:36,979 So we really were able to put together and link 370 00:15:37,022 --> 00:15:39,372 where they were at different times. 371 00:15:39,416 --> 00:15:43,072 - I think there was a total of 604 calls made... 372 00:15:43,115 --> 00:15:45,335 - Wow. - Using the calling card. 373 00:15:45,378 --> 00:15:47,641 We were able to match, literally, 374 00:15:47,685 --> 00:15:50,905 the Yellow Pages for chemical companies. 375 00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:53,299 He had told Fortier that the explosives 376 00:15:53,343 --> 00:15:54,779 were going to be in barrels. 377 00:15:54,822 --> 00:15:56,302 We saw calls to barrel companies. 378 00:15:56,346 --> 00:15:58,783 And then when we executed the warrant at Nichols' home, 379 00:15:58,826 --> 00:16:00,828 we found barrels there. 380 00:16:00,872 --> 00:16:02,395 They were chemically identical-- 381 00:16:02,439 --> 00:16:04,310 same color, same size. 382 00:16:04,354 --> 00:16:07,922 The calling card had calls to racetracks 383 00:16:07,966 --> 00:16:10,186 where you sell nitromethane, which is a good fuel 384 00:16:10,229 --> 00:16:12,536 for the other side of that explosive equation. 385 00:16:12,579 --> 00:16:15,060 - We also found a drill, a cordless drill, 386 00:16:15,104 --> 00:16:18,629 that was used to burglarize an explosives quarry 387 00:16:18,672 --> 00:16:21,545 where some of the explosive materials were stolen 388 00:16:21,588 --> 00:16:23,677 that were used in the bomb. - Wow. 389 00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:25,418 - That tied Terry Nichols directly to it. 390 00:16:25,462 --> 00:16:26,898 - Yes. 391 00:16:26,941 --> 00:16:28,247 - And with the testimonial evidence 392 00:16:28,291 --> 00:16:30,510 Fortier was able to provide, Fortier said 393 00:16:30,554 --> 00:16:33,165 McVeigh told him that we stole explosives from a quarry. 394 00:16:33,208 --> 00:16:35,254 Well, we've got that testimony, 395 00:16:35,298 --> 00:16:36,734 and we've got the lock. 396 00:16:36,777 --> 00:16:38,649 And we've got the drill and the drill bit 397 00:16:38,692 --> 00:16:40,303 in Terry Nichols' home. 398 00:16:40,346 --> 00:16:43,088 We also recovered explosives that match the same type 399 00:16:43,132 --> 00:16:44,742 that were stolen. 400 00:16:44,785 --> 00:16:46,657 We also took McVeigh's clothes, and the clothing 401 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:50,095 had explosive residue in it. 402 00:16:50,139 --> 00:16:52,489 Each explosive has a chemical signature. 403 00:16:52,532 --> 00:16:54,186 Those were the components of the device 404 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:55,883 that we're able to track through evidence 405 00:16:55,927 --> 00:16:57,581 recovered at Nichols' home. 406 00:16:57,624 --> 00:17:00,758 We showed that McVeigh made a call to Nichols' home, 407 00:17:00,801 --> 00:17:03,413 and then, magically, five hours later, 408 00:17:03,456 --> 00:17:04,762 they show up in Oklahoma City together, 409 00:17:04,805 --> 00:17:06,503 which is the travel time. 410 00:17:06,545 --> 00:17:08,112 When Nichols was interviewed, 411 00:17:08,157 --> 00:17:11,420 he said that he hadn't seen McVeigh for months 412 00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:13,510 until that Sunday. 413 00:17:13,553 --> 00:17:15,902 But we were able to show, through forensic evidence, 414 00:17:15,947 --> 00:17:19,994 that he was not being truthful, so it tied it all together. 415 00:17:20,037 --> 00:17:21,822 - Wow. Amazing. 416 00:17:23,302 --> 00:17:25,130 - McVeigh tried to recruit Fortier, 417 00:17:25,174 --> 00:17:28,306 and Lori and Michael said, you know, not going to do it. 418 00:17:28,351 --> 00:17:32,050 So McVeigh was living with them up until early April. 419 00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:34,008 When he realized they weren't going to, 420 00:17:34,052 --> 00:17:35,445 he left and went to a motel. 421 00:17:35,488 --> 00:17:37,534 - Sources say Fortier knew of the plot, 422 00:17:37,577 --> 00:17:39,971 but did not take part in the attack. 423 00:17:40,014 --> 00:17:43,235 - Terry Nichols was more of a witting accomplice. 424 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,019 - He had a significant, active role. 425 00:17:45,063 --> 00:17:46,543 - Oh, sure. 426 00:17:46,586 --> 00:17:48,197 - It could not have happened except for the actions 427 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,198 of Terry Nichols. 428 00:17:49,241 --> 00:17:51,069 He was talkative. 429 00:17:51,113 --> 00:17:53,027 He kept thinking he could talk his way out of the deal. 430 00:17:53,071 --> 00:17:55,552 But when he was finally done through talking, 431 00:17:55,595 --> 00:17:57,380 he was arrested and brought into custody. 432 00:17:57,423 --> 00:18:03,647 ♪ 433 00:18:03,690 --> 00:18:05,083 - The results of this investigation-- 434 00:18:05,127 --> 00:18:06,432 what did you learn the plot was? 435 00:18:06,476 --> 00:18:08,521 - Some newspapers wrote that it was 436 00:18:08,565 --> 00:18:12,308 directed against me because I was the spokesperson for Waco. 437 00:18:12,351 --> 00:18:14,223 - OK. 438 00:18:14,266 --> 00:18:17,356 - It was not our intention that this compound be burned down. 439 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,359 I can't tell you the shock and the horror that all of us 440 00:18:20,403 --> 00:18:23,841 felt when we saw those flames coming out there. 441 00:18:23,884 --> 00:18:26,191 - Timothy McVeigh was asked, was that the case? 442 00:18:26,235 --> 00:18:28,062 By one of his attorneys. He said, no. 443 00:18:28,106 --> 00:18:31,718 Said he knew I worked in Oklahoma City, 444 00:18:31,762 --> 00:18:35,722 but his primary goal was to attack the ATF, 445 00:18:35,766 --> 00:18:38,769 whom he believed had agents at Waco, 446 00:18:38,812 --> 00:18:41,815 and also other federal agencies. 447 00:18:41,859 --> 00:18:43,948 He had said, if he would have gotten me, 448 00:18:43,991 --> 00:18:45,950 it would have been a bonus. 449 00:18:45,993 --> 00:18:50,433 The end goal was to cause an uprising in the United States 450 00:18:50,476 --> 00:18:52,957 that would ultimately cause a revolution. 451 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,743 [dramatic music] 452 00:18:56,787 --> 00:18:58,310 - That's chilling on so many levels... 453 00:18:58,354 --> 00:19:00,399 - Mm-hmm. - For so many reasons. 454 00:19:00,443 --> 00:19:02,575 - We tried to determine if he was involved 455 00:19:02,619 --> 00:19:04,795 with any militia groups and so forth. 456 00:19:04,838 --> 00:19:06,318 - Soldiers on training maneuvers, 457 00:19:06,362 --> 00:19:08,190 but they're not the US Army. 458 00:19:08,233 --> 00:19:09,713 [gunshots] 459 00:19:09,756 --> 00:19:11,149 They are the Michigan Citizens Militia, 460 00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:13,586 which claims 15,000 members. 461 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:16,372 It is part of a growing nationwide phenomenon 462 00:19:16,415 --> 00:19:18,678 whose enemy is the US government. 463 00:19:18,722 --> 00:19:21,115 - If they hurt our Constitution anymore, 464 00:19:21,159 --> 00:19:23,292 they are going to have to answer to us. 465 00:19:23,335 --> 00:19:25,903 - And I promise you, we're not going to give up our guns. 466 00:19:25,946 --> 00:19:27,339 [men cheer] 467 00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:29,559 - But Timothy McVeigh belonged to no group. 468 00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:34,172 ♪ 469 00:19:34,216 --> 00:19:36,609 - As early as tomorrow, a federal grand jury 470 00:19:36,653 --> 00:19:38,611 is expected to indict three men 471 00:19:38,655 --> 00:19:40,396 in the Oklahoma terror bombing. 472 00:19:40,439 --> 00:19:42,398 The indictments will allege the mass murder 473 00:19:42,441 --> 00:19:44,443 was motivated by a hatred of government 474 00:19:44,487 --> 00:19:47,359 and financed with the sale of stolen weapons. 475 00:19:47,403 --> 00:19:49,274 - What are you feeling as this is all unwinding, 476 00:19:49,318 --> 00:19:51,189 as you're watching the news? 477 00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:55,280 - What could cause a young man to turn against his country? 478 00:19:55,324 --> 00:19:57,978 What could drive a person to that extent? 479 00:19:58,022 --> 00:20:01,286 We learned that he was a very troubled young man 480 00:20:01,330 --> 00:20:04,550 and ultimately ended up blaming the US government 481 00:20:04,594 --> 00:20:06,248 for his own failures. 482 00:20:06,291 --> 00:20:08,989 - Prime suspects Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols 483 00:20:09,033 --> 00:20:10,991 will be charged in the bombing itself 484 00:20:11,035 --> 00:20:12,993 and will face the death penalty. 485 00:20:13,037 --> 00:20:15,692 Also to be indicted, Michael Fortier, 486 00:20:15,735 --> 00:20:18,216 an army buddy of the suspects who will plead guilty 487 00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:22,394 to relatively minor charges in return for his testimony. 488 00:20:22,438 --> 00:20:24,614 - What did McVeigh get? What was his conviction? 489 00:20:24,657 --> 00:20:26,703 - He was convicted under what was then 490 00:20:26,746 --> 00:20:28,879 a new weapons of mass destruction statute, 491 00:20:28,922 --> 00:20:30,272 which carries the death penalty. 492 00:20:54,644 --> 00:20:56,428 - Everybody knew almost somebody 493 00:20:56,472 --> 00:20:57,864 inside that federal building. 494 00:20:57,908 --> 00:20:59,126 - Right. 495 00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:01,781 - We knew people, Secret Service, DEA, 496 00:21:01,825 --> 00:21:04,131 the ladies at the credit union. 497 00:21:04,175 --> 00:21:06,960 It's a relatively small community. 498 00:21:07,004 --> 00:21:09,267 It's difficult when you know people. 499 00:21:09,311 --> 00:21:12,357 [somber music] 500 00:21:12,401 --> 00:21:18,363 ♪ 501 00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:23,803 - It took me about 10 years to go to the memorial. 502 00:21:23,847 --> 00:21:26,676 People say, why? Because, uh... 503 00:21:26,719 --> 00:21:29,243 [stammers] [knocks on table] 504 00:21:29,287 --> 00:21:31,158 - That's--I understand. 505 00:21:31,202 --> 00:21:32,856 - The, uh... 506 00:21:32,899 --> 00:21:36,294 ♪ 507 00:21:36,338 --> 00:21:38,470 You're not able to express those emotions. 508 00:21:38,514 --> 00:21:40,037 - Right. 509 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,343 - But they're there. 510 00:21:41,386 --> 00:21:43,214 - Yeah. 511 00:21:43,257 --> 00:21:46,478 - And it took me a long time to say, 512 00:21:46,522 --> 00:21:50,221 "I can go and see this, 513 00:21:50,264 --> 00:21:53,137 and touch it, feel it." - Yeah. 514 00:21:53,180 --> 00:21:57,402 - And you almost depersonalize it to the point 515 00:21:57,446 --> 00:22:00,100 where you can't trust it as being real. 516 00:22:00,144 --> 00:22:02,929 - Yeah. - But you have to be objective. 517 00:22:02,973 --> 00:22:04,322 - Yeah. 518 00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:07,238 - And so it was difficult for me. 519 00:22:07,281 --> 00:22:08,457 It still is. 520 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:14,941 ♪ 521 00:22:14,985 --> 00:22:18,423 These were individuals, people I knew, people I worked with. 522 00:22:18,467 --> 00:22:21,557 And their life was snuffed out in seconds 523 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,561 for no real good cause, no reason. 524 00:22:25,604 --> 00:22:27,780 And we had to do everything in our power 525 00:22:27,824 --> 00:22:30,087 to see that they obtained justice, 526 00:22:30,130 --> 00:22:32,132 or that would have been a thing 527 00:22:32,176 --> 00:22:33,917 that would been hard to have lived with, 528 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,398 if we did not find justice for them. 529 00:22:47,713 --> 00:22:52,544 ♪