1 00:00:02,698 --> 00:00:04,395 - A sailboat with four Americans 2 00:00:04,482 --> 00:00:06,528 was pirated off of Africa. 3 00:00:06,615 --> 00:00:08,269 They thought, well, that's American. 4 00:00:08,356 --> 00:00:10,749 We'll get that money. 5 00:00:10,836 --> 00:00:12,925 But there was just a ton of Navy ships there. 6 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:14,710 Then it gets a little dicey, 7 00:00:14,797 --> 00:00:15,580 and then these bursts of gunfire. 8 00:00:15,667 --> 00:00:17,626 [gunfire] 9 00:00:17,713 --> 00:00:19,236 The SEALs get on board, 10 00:00:19,323 --> 00:00:21,586 and you can hear the medic say, "Urgent, surgical," 11 00:00:21,673 --> 00:00:23,719 and then you see guys starting to do CPR. 12 00:00:23,806 --> 00:00:25,851 - We're just hoping for their safe return. 13 00:00:25,938 --> 00:00:27,070 - So it turns out the pirates 14 00:00:27,157 --> 00:00:28,724 have a negotiator that's on land. 15 00:00:28,811 --> 00:00:31,596 They work out the ransom, 16 00:00:31,683 --> 00:00:34,425 and now we have to go into Somalia to arrest the guy. 17 00:00:34,512 --> 00:00:36,297 - To me, this is, like, a precedent-- 18 00:00:36,384 --> 00:00:39,691 a piracy case where it was on land. 19 00:00:39,778 --> 00:00:41,389 You're chasing this guy around Africa. 20 00:00:41,476 --> 00:00:43,695 The local law enforcement's not gonna help you. 21 00:00:43,782 --> 00:00:45,741 - At the time, it was literally lawless, 22 00:00:45,828 --> 00:00:47,743 and we're like, there's no way we're chasing this guy around 23 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:49,919 and not bringing him back. 24 00:00:50,006 --> 00:00:53,836 [dramatic music] 25 00:00:53,923 --> 00:00:57,013 - In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 26 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:59,972 ♪ ♪ 27 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:01,757 Drug busts, 28 00:01:01,844 --> 00:01:04,367 mob stings, 29 00:01:04,455 --> 00:01:06,153 terrorist takedowns. 30 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,329 - Get down! Get down! 31 00:01:08,416 --> 00:01:10,635 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 32 00:01:10,722 --> 00:01:11,984 - Mark it. 33 00:01:12,072 --> 00:01:13,203 - Freeze! - FBI. 34 00:01:13,289 --> 00:01:14,900 - FBI! - Action! 35 00:01:14,987 --> 00:01:17,207 - But they don't know the half of it. 36 00:01:17,294 --> 00:01:18,513 [indistinct radio chatter] 37 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,645 What really goes down, 38 00:01:20,732 --> 00:01:22,952 we save that for each other 39 00:01:23,039 --> 00:01:24,997 when we're talking agent to agent. 40 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:28,000 ♪ ♪ 41 00:01:28,088 --> 00:01:31,221 This is "FBI True." 42 00:01:35,485 --> 00:01:38,228 [tense music] 43 00:01:38,315 --> 00:01:39,925 ♪ ♪ 44 00:01:40,012 --> 00:01:42,972 - Cindy Coppola is a 23-year veteran of the FBI. 45 00:01:43,059 --> 00:01:44,713 She worked on cases that included 46 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,889 organized crime and terrorism 47 00:01:46,976 --> 00:01:49,544 and took part in multinational investigations 48 00:01:49,631 --> 00:01:52,199 into drug trafficking and money laundering. 49 00:01:52,286 --> 00:01:54,331 Coppola finished her career with the Los Angeles division, 50 00:01:54,418 --> 00:01:57,160 running two offices, supervising investigations, 51 00:01:57,247 --> 00:01:59,640 and providing undercover security for special events. 52 00:02:02,296 --> 00:02:03,297 - My wife was kind of bugging me. 53 00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:04,776 I was gone a lot, 54 00:02:04,863 --> 00:02:06,604 like, Monday to Friday almost every week. 55 00:02:06,691 --> 00:02:09,085 She was telling me, "Hey, you haven't spent a lot of time 56 00:02:09,172 --> 00:02:11,043 with your son lately," like, you know. 57 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:14,656 So I'm like, "All right, I'm gonna take off early on Friday. 58 00:02:14,743 --> 00:02:15,961 "I'll pick him up from school. 59 00:02:16,048 --> 00:02:18,181 go up and we'll get some pizza." 60 00:02:18,268 --> 00:02:21,315 - Rob D'Amico served in the U.S. Marines for 30 years 61 00:02:21,402 --> 00:02:23,143 on active duty and reserves. 62 00:02:23,230 --> 00:02:26,668 He was a member of the FBI's elite Hostage Rescue Team. 63 00:02:26,755 --> 00:02:28,452 D'Amico became a key link 64 00:02:28,539 --> 00:02:31,151 between the Bureau and the U.S. Military. 65 00:02:31,238 --> 00:02:34,589 He was deployed to Iraq, Africa, and Afghanistan 66 00:02:34,676 --> 00:02:37,244 on missions to counter piracy and terrorism. 67 00:02:39,420 --> 00:02:42,031 - Literally, I order the pizza. 68 00:02:42,118 --> 00:02:43,424 My phone rings. 69 00:02:43,511 --> 00:02:45,643 It's restricted call, which you know is coming 70 00:02:45,730 --> 00:02:46,644 from a government office, 71 00:02:46,731 --> 00:02:48,211 and she told me, like, 72 00:02:48,298 --> 00:02:50,735 "Hey, we're hearing about a pirate thing. 73 00:02:50,822 --> 00:02:54,609 "A sailboat with four Americans was pirated off of Africa, 74 00:02:54,696 --> 00:02:57,567 and I need you to be ready to go overseas," 75 00:02:57,655 --> 00:02:59,831 and I'm like, "You gotta be fucking kidding me." 76 00:02:59,918 --> 00:03:03,618 So I drove home, and then go code blue 77 00:03:03,705 --> 00:03:06,273 all the way up from North Carolina 78 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,276 to the Navy Command in Virginia to get on a plane or something. 79 00:03:09,363 --> 00:03:11,191 - Yeah, you can't miss that flight 80 00:03:11,278 --> 00:03:13,584 because you now have four Americans in danger, 81 00:03:13,671 --> 00:03:16,239 being held hostage on that yacht. 82 00:03:16,326 --> 00:03:18,372 - That's a four-hour drive, 83 00:03:18,459 --> 00:03:20,548 and I'm gonna get there in three hours. 84 00:03:22,724 --> 00:03:24,116 So I'm going blue lights. 85 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:26,162 I would see traffic, I would hit the siren. 86 00:03:26,249 --> 00:03:28,860 I'm up by the North Carolina/ Virginia border. 87 00:03:28,947 --> 00:03:30,993 I pass by a cop in the median, 88 00:03:31,079 --> 00:03:33,038 and I'm doing about 95. 89 00:03:33,125 --> 00:03:35,040 [sirens wailing] 90 00:03:35,127 --> 00:03:36,564 I see him pull out, and all of a sudden 91 00:03:36,651 --> 00:03:38,174 he starts catching me. 92 00:03:38,261 --> 00:03:40,132 I'm like, "Holy shit"-- - He's gonna pull you over. 93 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:41,786 - And I'm like, "You gotta be kidding me." 94 00:03:41,873 --> 00:03:43,353 So I pull over, and I'm pissed. 95 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,573 I jump out of the car with my creds. 96 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:48,010 And I'm like, "FBI! What the fuck are you doing?" 97 00:03:48,097 --> 00:03:50,795 So I said, "I gotta go--can't explain." 98 00:03:50,882 --> 00:03:54,277 I screech into the parking lot in this compound, 99 00:03:54,364 --> 00:03:57,498 and I literally park, and it was three hours... 100 00:03:57,585 --> 00:03:58,890 - On the dot. - On the dot, 101 00:03:58,977 --> 00:04:00,588 and I run up to the command center, 102 00:04:00,675 --> 00:04:03,286 and they're talking to the SEAL commander who's on scene. 103 00:04:03,373 --> 00:04:04,983 This was a true blended 104 00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:07,856 military/law enforcement operation. 105 00:04:07,943 --> 00:04:10,119 You had the Navy 'cause it was at sea. 106 00:04:10,206 --> 00:04:12,469 You got the SEALs there, because it's an assault team, 107 00:04:12,556 --> 00:04:15,516 and then, you got us, the FBI, 'cause piracy's a crime 108 00:04:15,603 --> 00:04:18,301 that's gonna be prosecuted back in a U.S. court. 109 00:04:18,387 --> 00:04:20,390 This sailboat, this U.S. flag sailboat, 110 00:04:20,476 --> 00:04:22,871 The Quest, was pirated by, 111 00:04:22,957 --> 00:04:26,091 they were saying, like, 19 pirates from Somalia. 112 00:04:26,178 --> 00:04:28,137 - So since you're working counterterrorism at the time, 113 00:04:28,224 --> 00:04:29,965 what did you know about piracy? 114 00:04:30,052 --> 00:04:31,575 - Absolutely, at that point, nothing. 115 00:04:31,662 --> 00:04:33,142 - Nothing? - Like, piracy started, 116 00:04:33,229 --> 00:04:35,536 like, for the Somalis defending 117 00:04:35,623 --> 00:04:38,147 their territorial waters with fishing, 118 00:04:38,234 --> 00:04:40,628 and then they started seeing these big freighters going by, 119 00:04:40,715 --> 00:04:42,282 grabbing them. 120 00:04:42,369 --> 00:04:44,893 - I think I remember news reports at the time. 121 00:04:44,980 --> 00:04:47,808 There was a couple from Seattle and someone from California. 122 00:04:47,896 --> 00:04:51,682 - Ignoring explicit warnings about pirates, two couples, 123 00:04:51,769 --> 00:04:54,903 Jean and Scott Adam and Phyllis Macay and Bob Riggle, 124 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:57,253 sailed alone across the Indian Ocean 125 00:04:57,340 --> 00:04:59,429 in their 58-foot yacht, The Quest. 126 00:04:59,516 --> 00:05:02,563 - They had been sailing with the Blue Water Rally, 127 00:05:02,650 --> 00:05:05,479 which planned to stay together for safety reasons 128 00:05:05,566 --> 00:05:08,308 as it headed from Mumbai to the Gulf of Aden 129 00:05:08,395 --> 00:05:10,919 on its way to the Suez Canal. 130 00:05:11,006 --> 00:05:13,182 Prayers were said for the hostages captured 131 00:05:13,269 --> 00:05:15,184 by the Somali pirates. 132 00:05:15,271 --> 00:05:18,361 Jean and Scott Adam had been distributing Bibles 133 00:05:18,448 --> 00:05:20,189 on their 'round-the-world sail. 134 00:05:20,276 --> 00:05:22,931 The couple are members of this Santa Monica church. 135 00:05:23,018 --> 00:05:25,063 - We're just hoping for their safe return. 136 00:05:25,150 --> 00:05:26,761 - Can you imagine their friends and family 137 00:05:26,848 --> 00:05:28,240 just worried sick about them? 138 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:29,981 ♪ ♪ 139 00:05:30,068 --> 00:05:31,896 The yacht's off the coast of Oman, 140 00:05:31,983 --> 00:05:33,420 and there's an aircraft carrier 141 00:05:33,507 --> 00:05:36,336 and some other ships sailing towards it. 142 00:05:36,423 --> 00:05:38,425 So we get on a plane. 143 00:05:38,512 --> 00:05:45,475 ♪ ♪ 144 00:05:45,562 --> 00:05:47,259 We get to Oman. 145 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:49,218 They start talking about getting us out 146 00:05:49,305 --> 00:05:51,002 to the aircraft carrier, 147 00:05:51,089 --> 00:05:54,049 and there was, like, one last flight out of Oman. 148 00:05:54,136 --> 00:05:56,878 The three of us get left off. 149 00:05:56,965 --> 00:05:59,533 So I call the Navy Command. 150 00:05:59,620 --> 00:06:01,273 I said, "Hey, Pete, it's Rob. 151 00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:03,319 "I'm in Oman. 152 00:06:03,406 --> 00:06:06,888 "We just got kicked off the last flight going to the ship. 153 00:06:06,975 --> 00:06:11,936 "You need to call the ship and have them call the pilots, 154 00:06:12,023 --> 00:06:13,416 "'cause literally, the plane's about 155 00:06:13,503 --> 00:06:15,287 to start turning propellers," 156 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:17,246 and all of a sudden, sure enough, 157 00:06:17,332 --> 00:06:20,510 we're standing there, and this crew chief comes running out. 158 00:06:20,597 --> 00:06:21,729 The back of the ramp opens up, 159 00:06:21,816 --> 00:06:24,471 and he's like, "You guys off, you guys on." 160 00:06:24,558 --> 00:06:25,646 - Outstanding. 161 00:06:25,733 --> 00:06:32,566 ♪ ♪ 162 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:37,135 - We land on the aircraft carrier. 163 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:43,620 But there was just a ton of Navy ships there. 164 00:06:45,056 --> 00:06:46,971 Admiral McRaven, the JSOC commander, 165 00:06:47,058 --> 00:06:48,538 had made a call saying, "Hey, look, 166 00:06:48,625 --> 00:06:51,106 do not let that sailboat get to Somalia," 167 00:06:51,193 --> 00:06:53,064 because once they get to Somalia, 168 00:06:53,151 --> 00:06:56,111 then the chances of us doing any interdiction 169 00:06:56,198 --> 00:06:58,635 or--it drags on for years. 170 00:06:58,722 --> 00:07:00,681 - The local law enforcement's not gonna help you. 171 00:07:00,768 --> 00:07:02,683 - At the time, it was literally lawless. 172 00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:04,902 - Nearly 100 vessels have been hijacked 173 00:07:04,989 --> 00:07:07,644 off the east coast of Africa so far this year. 174 00:07:07,731 --> 00:07:09,994 - In three years, the pirates have netted 175 00:07:10,081 --> 00:07:12,606 an estimated $30 million. 176 00:07:12,693 --> 00:07:14,521 - In all, Somali pirates are believed 177 00:07:14,608 --> 00:07:16,871 to be holding 17 different ships 178 00:07:16,957 --> 00:07:19,482 and up to 270 crew members hostage 179 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:21,092 across the Indian Ocean. 180 00:07:21,179 --> 00:07:23,094 - They were kind of like mules in the drug world. 181 00:07:23,181 --> 00:07:26,663 It was like the warlords that would then get 182 00:07:26,750 --> 00:07:28,491 these crews to go out and do their dirty work. 183 00:07:30,537 --> 00:07:31,973 We're brought from the aircraft carrier 184 00:07:32,060 --> 00:07:33,582 over to the destroyer 185 00:07:33,670 --> 00:07:36,281 that's literally right next to The Quest. 186 00:07:38,370 --> 00:07:40,590 - Has anybody made contact with the Americans yet? 187 00:07:40,677 --> 00:07:43,463 Like, do the Americans know that there's U.S. Military 188 00:07:43,550 --> 00:07:45,508 or FBI or anybody nearby? 189 00:07:45,595 --> 00:07:46,901 - Yeah, they're above deck. 190 00:07:46,988 --> 00:07:48,642 They can see that this is going on. 191 00:07:48,729 --> 00:07:51,514 Matter of fact, I think the gentleman who owned the boat, 192 00:07:51,601 --> 00:07:54,038 Scott Adam, there were some fuel issues, 193 00:07:54,125 --> 00:07:55,997 and he was helping fix it. 194 00:07:56,084 --> 00:07:57,955 He was doing the thing, trying to ingratiate himself 195 00:07:58,042 --> 00:08:01,132 with the pirates, again, which is a tactic-- 196 00:08:01,219 --> 00:08:02,351 make yourself human to them... 197 00:08:02,438 --> 00:08:03,657 - Sure. - And be useful. 198 00:08:03,744 --> 00:08:05,920 So that was going on, 199 00:08:06,007 --> 00:08:07,922 but we're not trying to board them or do anything like that. 200 00:08:08,009 --> 00:08:11,752 Our ship's negotiator is talking on this loudspeaker, 201 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:13,754 and then it gets a little dicey. 202 00:08:13,841 --> 00:08:15,712 We can hear some yelling down there. 203 00:08:15,799 --> 00:08:16,844 The snipers are reporting like, 204 00:08:16,931 --> 00:08:18,846 "Hey, some things are going on," 205 00:08:18,933 --> 00:08:21,109 and then all sudden, 206 00:08:21,196 --> 00:08:22,806 we look at the back of the ship, 207 00:08:22,893 --> 00:08:25,548 and the guy grabs the RPG-- - It's like, "Holy shit." 208 00:08:25,635 --> 00:08:26,941 [chuckles] - And he fires it. 209 00:08:28,595 --> 00:08:30,901 And, like, it goes over us 210 00:08:30,988 --> 00:08:33,469 while we were looking at it like, "Damn, well"... 211 00:08:33,556 --> 00:08:35,078 - "They're not messing around now." 212 00:08:35,165 --> 00:08:37,299 - And then all sudden, I remember, like, looking down 213 00:08:37,385 --> 00:08:40,998 at The Quest, and just these bursts of gunfire. 214 00:08:41,085 --> 00:08:44,087 [gunshots firing] 215 00:08:44,174 --> 00:08:46,569 The SEAL commander basically gave the go 216 00:08:46,656 --> 00:08:47,527 for emergency assault. 217 00:08:47,614 --> 00:08:52,619 ♪ ♪ 218 00:08:52,706 --> 00:08:54,359 The SEALS get on board, and then all sudden, 219 00:08:54,446 --> 00:08:55,578 the front of the sailboat, 220 00:08:55,665 --> 00:08:57,406 you see there's a hatch that 221 00:08:57,493 --> 00:08:58,538 goes down into the state rooms, 222 00:08:58,625 --> 00:09:00,017 and--and pirates just start 223 00:09:00,104 --> 00:09:01,715 flowing out with their hands up, 224 00:09:01,802 --> 00:09:03,194 and while we're arresting them, 225 00:09:03,281 --> 00:09:05,414 all sudden, you could hear the medics start to say, 226 00:09:05,501 --> 00:09:07,547 "Urgent, surgical." We've been overseas enough 227 00:09:07,634 --> 00:09:10,419 that "Urgent, surgical" is not good to hear in that, 228 00:09:10,506 --> 00:09:12,769 and then you see some guys starting to do CPR, 229 00:09:12,856 --> 00:09:14,902 and we heard one "Urgent, surgical," 230 00:09:14,989 --> 00:09:16,947 and you heard two, you heard three, 231 00:09:17,034 --> 00:09:18,122 and you heard four. - That's a shame. 232 00:09:18,209 --> 00:09:19,646 - And I'm like-- [sighs] 233 00:09:19,733 --> 00:09:22,344 - They were four Americans sailing around the world. 234 00:09:22,431 --> 00:09:24,128 It was the dream of their lives, 235 00:09:24,215 --> 00:09:26,261 but it came to a deadly end today-- 236 00:09:26,348 --> 00:09:27,958 killed by the Somali pirates, 237 00:09:28,045 --> 00:09:29,873 who seized their yacht last Friday, 238 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,309 south of Oman. 239 00:09:31,396 --> 00:09:35,966 ♪ ♪ 240 00:09:40,667 --> 00:09:42,059 - I mean, did they just panic? 241 00:09:42,146 --> 00:09:43,408 Do you think, like, the pirates just panicked? 242 00:09:43,495 --> 00:09:44,496 'Cause what were they gonna benefit then 243 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:46,411 from killing them, right? 244 00:09:46,498 --> 00:09:47,456 They're not getting any money. - Yeah, I don't wanna get-- 245 00:09:47,543 --> 00:09:49,414 th--th--there was, I think, 246 00:09:49,501 --> 00:09:51,025 two that did the shooting, 247 00:09:51,112 --> 00:09:53,810 and they actually shot their own people. 248 00:09:53,897 --> 00:09:56,639 Like, they had two pirates and killed four Americans 249 00:09:56,726 --> 00:09:58,598 and two of their own. 250 00:09:58,685 --> 00:10:00,512 Like, how does that even make sense? 251 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,211 What it was was the pirates thought, 252 00:10:03,298 --> 00:10:07,128 "Well, all these ships here want the Americans. 253 00:10:07,215 --> 00:10:08,346 "So if we get rid of the Americans, 254 00:10:08,433 --> 00:10:09,391 they'll go away." 255 00:10:09,478 --> 00:10:10,697 But here I am in the middle 256 00:10:10,784 --> 00:10:12,220 of the freakin' Indian Ocean, 257 00:10:12,307 --> 00:10:14,962 now with the sailboat, two FBI guys on it, 258 00:10:15,049 --> 00:10:16,616 and a crime scene. 259 00:10:16,703 --> 00:10:18,966 - A crime scene with four dead Americans 260 00:10:19,053 --> 00:10:21,316 that has to be processed and protected. 261 00:10:22,970 --> 00:10:24,624 - So the Navy brings us over on a RHIB. 262 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:27,888 [dramatic music] 263 00:10:27,975 --> 00:10:30,368 ♪ ♪ 264 00:10:30,455 --> 00:10:31,239 And we board this thing. 265 00:10:31,326 --> 00:10:33,502 It was horrific. 266 00:10:33,589 --> 00:10:35,460 So here we are in this sailboat. 267 00:10:35,547 --> 00:10:37,332 Now, we're trying to process 268 00:10:37,419 --> 00:10:39,160 the dead bodies' photograph, 269 00:10:39,247 --> 00:10:40,640 because a couple of 'em are actually laying on weapons 270 00:10:40,727 --> 00:10:42,206 that we wanted to capture, 271 00:10:42,293 --> 00:10:43,468 and we gotta get 'em in body bags 272 00:10:43,555 --> 00:10:45,253 and over to the other boat. 273 00:10:45,340 --> 00:10:47,734 "If something is about to fall off that sailboat, 274 00:10:47,821 --> 00:10:49,257 "take a picture of it, and then move it 275 00:10:49,344 --> 00:10:50,475 "to where it's safe, but leave 276 00:10:50,562 --> 00:10:52,608 everything you can in place." 277 00:10:52,695 --> 00:10:54,262 So we--we process it, 278 00:10:54,349 --> 00:10:56,003 and it's just one of those-- 279 00:10:56,090 --> 00:10:58,483 it is a wreck. We have the pirates in custody 280 00:10:58,570 --> 00:11:00,529 up on the aircraft carrier, 281 00:11:00,616 --> 00:11:03,227 and I'm like, "We need to tow this back to Djibouti. 282 00:11:03,314 --> 00:11:04,968 This is the crime scene. I wanna take it with me." 283 00:11:05,055 --> 00:11:06,927 - Yeah, you can't just let it float off to sea. 284 00:11:07,014 --> 00:11:08,972 - 'Cause I got 15 guys that I know that are gonna 285 00:11:09,059 --> 00:11:10,278 probably go to trial over this. 286 00:11:10,365 --> 00:11:11,801 - You can't make this shit up. - No. 287 00:11:11,888 --> 00:11:13,020 - [laughs] - And two days ago, 288 00:11:13,107 --> 00:11:15,022 I was trying to get pizza with my son. 289 00:11:17,415 --> 00:11:19,679 We're coming into the port of Djibouti. 290 00:11:19,766 --> 00:11:22,638 They're sending a team of investigators from New York. 291 00:11:22,725 --> 00:11:24,727 Kevin Coughlin's the case agent, 292 00:11:24,814 --> 00:11:26,773 and, uh, he's bringing a team out 293 00:11:26,860 --> 00:11:27,904 to go to that aircraft carrier. 294 00:11:27,991 --> 00:11:29,384 They're getting all the statements. 295 00:11:29,471 --> 00:11:31,647 Kevin's team's doing the interviews and stuff. 296 00:11:31,734 --> 00:11:34,345 They have to process 15 pirates 297 00:11:34,432 --> 00:11:35,912 that are gonna go back to the States, so... 298 00:11:35,999 --> 00:11:37,697 - It's like a big takedown, 299 00:11:37,784 --> 00:11:39,133 but it just happened overseas, 300 00:11:39,220 --> 00:11:40,787 and you gotta bring all those subjects back 301 00:11:40,874 --> 00:11:41,962 and process them here in the U.S. 302 00:11:42,049 --> 00:11:42,876 and end it all. - Yep. 303 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:48,620 All sudden, now, I--I get this in the classified radio room 304 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:51,667 that there's a guy looking for me 305 00:11:51,754 --> 00:11:53,190 that has some info for me. 306 00:11:53,277 --> 00:11:54,670 We got the phone number 307 00:11:54,757 --> 00:11:57,978 from the pirates for who to negotiate with. 308 00:11:58,065 --> 00:12:00,415 This guy, Rich, he's with the special mission unit, 309 00:12:00,502 --> 00:12:02,156 working with some partners, 310 00:12:02,243 --> 00:12:05,550 and those partners go and basically 311 00:12:05,637 --> 00:12:07,552 knock on a hotel room door 312 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:08,553 in Galkayo, Somalia, 313 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,121 and this guy answers, 314 00:12:11,208 --> 00:12:12,732 and his name was Mohammad Shibin. 315 00:12:14,995 --> 00:12:16,736 These military folks that we're working with 316 00:12:16,823 --> 00:12:18,999 are counterterrorism forces. 317 00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:22,306 So they basically accuse him of being Al-Shabaab. 318 00:12:22,393 --> 00:12:24,265 - Al-Shabaab is an Islamist militant group 319 00:12:24,352 --> 00:12:27,355 that's fighting the UN government in Somalia. 320 00:12:27,442 --> 00:12:30,314 For a long time, it controlled Southern Somalia, 321 00:12:30,401 --> 00:12:32,186 including the capital, Mogadishu. 322 00:12:32,273 --> 00:12:33,709 - And then, he goes, "I'm not Al-Shabaab." 323 00:12:33,796 --> 00:12:35,145 He goes--and he knows--he goes, 324 00:12:35,232 --> 00:12:36,756 "Look, here's my phone," 325 00:12:36,843 --> 00:12:38,018 and it proves I'm not Al-Shabaab. 326 00:12:38,105 --> 00:12:39,367 - Hands over the phone like that? 327 00:12:39,454 --> 00:12:40,803 - He just hands it over. 328 00:12:40,890 --> 00:12:42,979 Rich is, like, looking at this phone now. 329 00:12:43,066 --> 00:12:44,589 He doesn't have no techno equipment to do, 330 00:12:44,676 --> 00:12:46,374 like, a real download of it, 331 00:12:46,461 --> 00:12:47,592 and he starts seeing, like, 332 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,290 Google searches about The Quest. 333 00:12:49,377 --> 00:12:51,553 They start seeing, "How much is The Quest worth?" 334 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,860 Like, he starts real--like, uh, 335 00:12:53,947 --> 00:12:54,599 "This is, like, evidence." 336 00:12:54,686 --> 00:12:55,992 So he literally takes, 337 00:12:56,079 --> 00:12:57,907 I think it was, 350 pictures 338 00:12:57,994 --> 00:12:59,561 of every screenshot, 339 00:12:59,648 --> 00:13:00,954 every contact. 340 00:13:01,041 --> 00:13:02,390 The pirates have a negotiator 341 00:13:02,477 --> 00:13:04,131 that's on land 342 00:13:04,218 --> 00:13:05,915 that basically, they work out the ransom 343 00:13:06,002 --> 00:13:07,874 for the yacht and the hostages-- 344 00:13:07,961 --> 00:13:10,920 who, we find out, Mr. Shibin is this negotiator. 345 00:13:11,007 --> 00:13:11,834 - He's the mastermind. 346 00:13:14,445 --> 00:13:16,360 - Like, they gave him his phone back. 347 00:13:16,447 --> 00:13:17,144 He didn't keep the phone. - They were like-- 348 00:13:17,231 --> 00:13:18,406 they went back to him and said, 349 00:13:18,493 --> 00:13:20,408 "Okay, yeah, you're not Al-Shabaab," 350 00:13:20,495 --> 00:13:21,757 and--and whatever. 351 00:13:21,844 --> 00:13:23,759 So Rich, he's got this CD 352 00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:26,240 of, like, 350 pictures 353 00:13:26,327 --> 00:13:28,633 of everything that was on this guy's phone. 354 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,549 I'm like, "Holy shit." 355 00:13:31,636 --> 00:13:33,116 Like, this, like, 356 00:13:33,203 --> 00:13:34,814 this is evidence. - "We got a case." 357 00:13:34,901 --> 00:13:36,163 - Of this guy, like-- 358 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:37,599 - Really being involved. - Really being involved. 359 00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:39,470 But we can't just grab him. 360 00:13:39,557 --> 00:13:41,690 For evidence and what we looked at the trial, 361 00:13:41,777 --> 00:13:44,345 every single thing had to be by the letter of the law. 362 00:13:44,432 --> 00:13:47,000 The assistant U.S. attorneys in Norfolk, 363 00:13:47,087 --> 00:13:48,262 they want me to testify in court 364 00:13:48,349 --> 00:13:50,220 that that phone was on that person, 365 00:13:50,307 --> 00:13:51,831 and we need that phone for evidence. 366 00:13:51,918 --> 00:13:54,094 I'm like, "There's no way 367 00:13:54,181 --> 00:13:56,096 "we're gonna be able to get out of a car in Somalia 368 00:13:56,183 --> 00:13:58,794 and go do a search of a hotel room." 369 00:13:58,881 --> 00:14:01,318 So I said, "Okay, hey, look. 370 00:14:01,405 --> 00:14:03,233 "If the Somalis go up to this hotel room, 371 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,105 "and they've walked Mr. Shibin out, 372 00:14:05,192 --> 00:14:06,846 "and take his phone out of his pocket 373 00:14:06,933 --> 00:14:08,543 "and they walk directly to me, 374 00:14:08,630 --> 00:14:11,067 "and hand me that phone through the window, 375 00:14:11,154 --> 00:14:12,590 "is that good enough for me 376 00:14:12,677 --> 00:14:13,983 "to testify that that phone 377 00:14:14,070 --> 00:14:15,071 came from Mr. Shibin?" - Yeah, exactly. 378 00:14:15,158 --> 00:14:16,899 It's chain of custody, and yeah. 379 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:18,858 - So they thought about it, 380 00:14:18,945 --> 00:14:20,468 and they're like, "Yeah, we can do that." 381 00:14:20,555 --> 00:14:23,384 - So I mean, I get what you guys did and everything, 382 00:14:23,471 --> 00:14:27,257 but you know, most people won't even know why you're following, 383 00:14:27,344 --> 00:14:28,606 you know, the letter of the law, right? 384 00:14:28,693 --> 00:14:31,174 - Even the military folks, they just didn't understand 385 00:14:31,261 --> 00:14:33,046 the other--like, getting there and getting back 386 00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:34,482 and all that crazy stuff-- 387 00:14:34,569 --> 00:14:36,049 we broke all kinds of, like, 388 00:14:36,136 --> 00:14:37,789 precedents of how to do it. - Sure. 389 00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:40,140 - But the law and the court-- 390 00:14:40,227 --> 00:14:43,186 because when you testify, you gotta tell a juror 391 00:14:43,273 --> 00:14:45,885 that this phone was with this person at this time. 392 00:14:45,972 --> 00:14:47,887 [rock music] 393 00:14:47,974 --> 00:14:52,021 So they approved this plan for us to fly into Somalia 394 00:14:52,108 --> 00:14:53,762 drive down to Galkayo, 395 00:14:53,849 --> 00:14:55,111 and then do this. 396 00:14:56,939 --> 00:14:58,201 Four Americans are dead. 397 00:14:58,288 --> 00:15:00,116 We've gone from the piracy at sea 398 00:15:00,203 --> 00:15:01,509 to investigation of the guy 399 00:15:01,596 --> 00:15:02,771 arranging the ransom 400 00:15:02,858 --> 00:15:04,338 to a mission to arrest him. 401 00:15:04,425 --> 00:15:06,296 We thought, "Hey, this is gonna be--" 402 00:15:06,383 --> 00:15:09,212 - Quick and done. - Quick and done and go home, 403 00:15:09,299 --> 00:15:10,561 and then all sudden, they come in, 404 00:15:10,648 --> 00:15:12,128 and they're like, 405 00:15:12,215 --> 00:15:14,261 "We think he's in Zambia." 406 00:15:14,348 --> 00:15:15,610 Like, what? 407 00:15:15,697 --> 00:15:18,004 ♪ ♪ 408 00:15:18,091 --> 00:15:19,483 I'm like, "I gotta look at the map, 409 00:15:19,570 --> 00:15:20,789 figure out where Zambia is, you know?" 410 00:15:20,876 --> 00:15:22,356 - Yeah. - So, like--and we gotta 411 00:15:22,443 --> 00:15:23,923 get there. - Why'd he go there? 412 00:15:24,010 --> 00:15:25,533 - Well, there's a big Somali population. 413 00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:29,493 We think, because of The Quest made the news, 414 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:31,321 and it was getting, like-- - He wanted to get out 415 00:15:31,408 --> 00:15:32,888 of there. - He knew the heat was on. 416 00:15:32,975 --> 00:15:34,150 We get on a commercial flight 417 00:15:34,237 --> 00:15:36,500 over to Zambia, set up a meeting 418 00:15:36,587 --> 00:15:38,067 with the Zambian intelligence service 419 00:15:38,154 --> 00:15:40,069 who, kind of, like, knows where this guy's at. 420 00:15:40,156 --> 00:15:41,941 There was two areas in Zambia 421 00:15:42,028 --> 00:15:43,768 where the Somali's population were. 422 00:15:43,855 --> 00:15:45,509 They finally zeroed in. 423 00:15:45,596 --> 00:15:47,685 So right in the middle of that meeting, though, 424 00:15:47,772 --> 00:15:51,733 we basically get word that he's left Zambia. 425 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:55,171 [dramatic beat] 426 00:15:55,258 --> 00:15:56,129 We don't know exactly where he went, 427 00:15:56,216 --> 00:15:57,565 but we know he's not here. 428 00:15:57,652 --> 00:15:59,393 The plane that we flew in on, 429 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,961 we found out later, he was on the flight 430 00:16:02,048 --> 00:16:03,136 going out. - So you went all the way 431 00:16:03,223 --> 00:16:04,572 out of your way-- - Yeah. 432 00:16:04,659 --> 00:16:06,008 - You're chasing this guy around Africa. 433 00:16:06,095 --> 00:16:07,053 - Oh, this is "Catch Me If You Can" 434 00:16:07,140 --> 00:16:07,705 across Africa. - Africa. 435 00:16:07,792 --> 00:16:09,969 [dramatic music] 436 00:16:10,056 --> 00:16:12,972 - So we get to the airport. We jump on the plane. 437 00:16:13,059 --> 00:16:15,626 We fly back to Djibouti. 438 00:16:15,713 --> 00:16:18,716 That's the hub of all U.S. government operations 439 00:16:18,803 --> 00:16:20,414 in Northeast Africa. 440 00:16:20,501 --> 00:16:21,981 Now, a bunch of people in D.C. are like, 441 00:16:22,068 --> 00:16:23,069 "Hey, you guys need to come home"-- 442 00:16:23,156 --> 00:16:24,984 both FBI, state department, 443 00:16:25,071 --> 00:16:26,159 and we're like, "No. There's no way 444 00:16:26,246 --> 00:16:27,203 "we're chasing this guy around 445 00:16:27,290 --> 00:16:28,596 and not bringing him back." 446 00:16:28,683 --> 00:16:30,467 I even forget how many weeks we were gone. 447 00:16:30,554 --> 00:16:33,209 At this point, it was just kind of a blur. 448 00:16:33,296 --> 00:16:36,691 By now, we got feelers out all over Africa 449 00:16:36,778 --> 00:16:39,389 looking for this guy. And at one point, like, 450 00:16:39,476 --> 00:16:41,652 I get this call, like the "Urgent." 451 00:16:41,739 --> 00:16:44,568 I go down, and it's one of the Special Forces guys 452 00:16:44,655 --> 00:16:46,483 in Boosaaso, Somalia. 453 00:16:46,570 --> 00:16:49,008 He drives by and looks at this corner tea shop 454 00:16:49,095 --> 00:16:51,140 and says, "Isn't that our guy?" 455 00:16:51,227 --> 00:16:53,012 - [laughs] - So they radio back 456 00:16:53,099 --> 00:16:54,491 to the Somalis in the follow vehicle. 457 00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:56,450 - That's awesome. - Like, "Hey, is that Shib?" 458 00:16:56,537 --> 00:16:57,929 - And they're like, "Yeah, that's him." 459 00:17:00,758 --> 00:17:02,543 So they literally went around the corner, 460 00:17:02,630 --> 00:17:04,196 pulled over, 461 00:17:04,284 --> 00:17:06,373 and radioed back to the-- to the, you know, 462 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:08,636 the JOC and said, "Hey, we found him. 463 00:17:08,723 --> 00:17:10,159 What do you want us to do?" - So you guys just jumped up-- 464 00:17:10,246 --> 00:17:11,551 - Well, I just made the decision. 465 00:17:11,638 --> 00:17:13,380 I'm like, "You know what? 466 00:17:13,467 --> 00:17:15,469 "Go get him. Like, just grab him now. 467 00:17:15,556 --> 00:17:17,645 "We lost him for, like, God knows how long. 468 00:17:17,732 --> 00:17:19,167 "I don't know if we're gonna get him. 469 00:17:19,255 --> 00:17:20,691 Just grab him. We'll figure it out later." 470 00:17:20,778 --> 00:17:27,523 ♪ ♪ 471 00:17:27,611 --> 00:17:29,091 So we get brought in. 472 00:17:31,702 --> 00:17:32,660 We're driving through these streets, 473 00:17:32,747 --> 00:17:34,749 just hustling people out of the way. 474 00:17:34,836 --> 00:17:37,926 ♪ ♪ 475 00:17:38,013 --> 00:17:39,971 And we get to the compound, 476 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:41,712 and there's Mr. Shib, 477 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:44,280 and I'm like, "Finally." 478 00:17:44,367 --> 00:17:46,239 He's sitting on a bunch of ammo, 479 00:17:46,326 --> 00:17:48,676 chewing khat, and he's high as a kite, 480 00:17:48,763 --> 00:17:50,504 so we're like--obviously, we can't interview him. 481 00:17:50,591 --> 00:17:53,333 So in the morning, we find out we only have 482 00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:54,464 so many hour-- we're gonna turn him over 483 00:17:54,551 --> 00:17:56,423 to Boosaaso PD, 484 00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:58,207 and they're gonna bring him to an airfield, 485 00:17:58,294 --> 00:17:59,208 and we're gonna fly him out. 486 00:17:59,295 --> 00:18:00,862 We read him his rights. 487 00:18:00,949 --> 00:18:02,037 We had him in Somali. 488 00:18:02,124 --> 00:18:04,126 He goes, "My English is perfect," 489 00:18:04,213 --> 00:18:05,867 and he signed Waiver of Rights, 490 00:18:05,954 --> 00:18:07,477 um, in English, 491 00:18:07,564 --> 00:18:09,044 and he--he actually spoke very well. 492 00:18:09,131 --> 00:18:10,872 So after all that, 493 00:18:10,959 --> 00:18:12,917 four murdered Americans, 494 00:18:13,004 --> 00:18:14,223 SEAL team assault, 495 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:16,051 chase this guy all over Africa, 496 00:18:16,138 --> 00:18:17,531 we pick him up in a tea shop, 497 00:18:17,618 --> 00:18:20,055 and he agrees to be interviewed. 498 00:18:20,142 --> 00:18:22,231 We want the phone to connect him to the crime 499 00:18:22,318 --> 00:18:23,711 and make the case, but it turns out 500 00:18:23,798 --> 00:18:25,278 the phone was not on him. 501 00:18:25,365 --> 00:18:28,107 - Okay. - Now, before we left Somalia, 502 00:18:28,194 --> 00:18:29,064 we did a photo lineup. 503 00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:31,022 His phone, we had pictures 504 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:32,720 of it from--from Rich, 505 00:18:32,807 --> 00:18:35,505 and then we took all the incriminating messages 506 00:18:35,592 --> 00:18:37,551 he had sent or searches on Google. 507 00:18:37,638 --> 00:18:40,597 We had him contacting his bosses 508 00:18:40,684 --> 00:18:42,817 and doing searches on Americans for ransom. 509 00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:46,690 So we had those with us. 510 00:18:46,777 --> 00:18:49,476 We knew that we had to get that into evidence. 511 00:18:49,563 --> 00:18:51,304 - Sure. - That he did those searches, 512 00:18:51,391 --> 00:18:53,175 and that was his phone. We basically say, 513 00:18:53,262 --> 00:18:54,742 "Hey, Mr. Shibin, is this your phone?" 514 00:18:54,829 --> 00:18:57,266 He says, "Yes." We say, "If that's your phone, 515 00:18:57,353 --> 00:18:58,920 go ahead and sign those papers saying it is," 516 00:18:59,007 --> 00:19:00,313 and he does, and then we said, 517 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,619 "With that phone, did you do these searches?" 518 00:19:02,706 --> 00:19:05,100 And he signs all those documents saying, "I did that." 519 00:19:05,187 --> 00:19:07,058 So-- - So you mean to tell me 520 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:08,843 had he never handed his phone over 521 00:19:08,930 --> 00:19:10,366 in Galkayo, 522 00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:12,020 he never would've been arrested? 523 00:19:12,107 --> 00:19:13,413 - No. - I mean, that's crazy. 524 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,502 How stupid! - Well, I mean--well, I mean, 525 00:19:15,589 --> 00:19:17,373 as you know, criminals do some dumb things. 526 00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:18,766 - Yeah. - He just didn't-- 527 00:19:18,853 --> 00:19:19,419 - He was clueless. 528 00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:23,945 - And then word in the town got out 529 00:19:24,032 --> 00:19:27,035 that we had taken Mr. Shibin. 530 00:19:27,122 --> 00:19:28,384 So there's starting to be 531 00:19:28,471 --> 00:19:30,343 some noise outside the compound. 532 00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:32,040 - Right. - So the whole handoff 533 00:19:32,127 --> 00:19:34,390 now started going out the window. 534 00:19:34,477 --> 00:19:36,697 - Yeah, like, you gotta get him out. 535 00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:38,829 - We go out at midnight, blackened out airfield. 536 00:19:38,916 --> 00:19:40,309 It's a dirt trip. 537 00:19:40,396 --> 00:19:43,573 There's a plane all blacked out sitting there, 538 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:45,488 and they start bringing Mr. Shibin out. 539 00:19:45,575 --> 00:19:47,403 We're like, "Holy cow." He shows up. 540 00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:49,710 They had a hood on him, and we take the hood off, 541 00:19:49,797 --> 00:19:51,233 and he sees me, 542 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,452 and I said, "Mr. Shibin, you're under arrest 543 00:19:52,539 --> 00:19:54,105 for murder of four Americans, 544 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:56,107 and he looks at me, 545 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:58,849 and he says, "Are you gonna kill me?" 546 00:19:58,936 --> 00:20:00,068 I said, "No, Mr. Shibin, 547 00:20:00,155 --> 00:20:01,374 "I'm gonna take you back to the U.S., 548 00:20:01,461 --> 00:20:03,506 "and you're gonna stand trial 549 00:20:03,593 --> 00:20:04,899 for the murder of those Americans," 550 00:20:04,986 --> 00:20:07,206 and he kind of looked at me, I think, thinking, like, 551 00:20:07,293 --> 00:20:08,772 in his country or somewhere else, 552 00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:09,425 they would just put a bullet in his head, 553 00:20:09,512 --> 00:20:10,687 I get on the plane and leave. 554 00:20:10,774 --> 00:20:12,515 - Yeah. - But that's not what we do. 555 00:20:14,343 --> 00:20:16,171 - So you got Shibin in custody. 556 00:20:16,258 --> 00:20:17,390 He gets into the U.S. 557 00:20:17,477 --> 00:20:18,739 - Yeah. - The case agents 558 00:20:18,826 --> 00:20:21,437 then take it from there. They go to trial. 559 00:20:21,524 --> 00:20:22,612 - Yeah. - They follow all the process 560 00:20:22,699 --> 00:20:23,657 with the U.S. Attorney's office, 561 00:20:23,744 --> 00:20:25,224 and I mean, to me, 562 00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:26,660 this is, like, a precedent. 563 00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:27,878 Like, this is a precedent 564 00:20:27,965 --> 00:20:30,272 for, you know, a piracy case 565 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,579 where the po--it was on land. 566 00:20:32,666 --> 00:20:34,058 Like, he wasn't even on sea, right? 567 00:20:34,145 --> 00:20:35,321 He was captured on land. 568 00:20:35,408 --> 00:20:36,844 - Yeah, so when they charged him, 569 00:20:36,931 --> 00:20:38,715 they charged him with piracy on the high seas, 570 00:20:38,802 --> 00:20:41,283 and the big thing was they had to prove 571 00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:43,416 that he knew the pirates were going out 572 00:20:43,503 --> 00:20:45,679 to pirate a ship before they left, 573 00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:47,811 and the interviews with Mr. Shibin, 574 00:20:47,898 --> 00:20:48,812 we got that out of him. 575 00:20:48,899 --> 00:20:56,037 ♪ ♪ 576 00:20:57,821 --> 00:20:59,301 So when I testified, 577 00:20:59,388 --> 00:21:01,564 the family of the victims 578 00:21:01,651 --> 00:21:03,610 never knew the story of what we went through 579 00:21:03,697 --> 00:21:05,438 to get him. It never really got out there, 580 00:21:05,525 --> 00:21:07,701 and after I testified, I get off the stand, 581 00:21:07,788 --> 00:21:09,268 the daughter comes up to me, and she's like, 582 00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:11,879 "Oh, my God, I never knew," 583 00:21:11,966 --> 00:21:14,795 and I'm like, "Yeah, it was really a crazy thing," 584 00:21:14,882 --> 00:21:16,231 and she goes, 585 00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:18,929 "I would love to thank the SEALs," 586 00:21:19,016 --> 00:21:20,235 and I'm say--I looked at her. 587 00:21:20,322 --> 00:21:21,845 I said, "I'm sorry, you can't." 588 00:21:21,932 --> 00:21:23,282 She goes, "I understand the secrecy thing." 589 00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:24,587 I said, "No, actually, 590 00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:28,548 "unfortunately, six months after that op, 591 00:21:28,635 --> 00:21:33,422 "that SEAL troop that did the boarding, 592 00:21:33,509 --> 00:21:35,946 they all died in Afghanistan." 593 00:21:36,033 --> 00:21:38,862 - Afghan officials say a NATO Chinook helicopter 594 00:21:38,949 --> 00:21:41,604 crashed during anti-Taliban mission 595 00:21:41,691 --> 00:21:44,128 overnight in a region west of Kabul. 596 00:21:44,215 --> 00:21:47,958 - The majority of those killed in this incident 597 00:21:48,045 --> 00:21:51,179 are believed to be U.S. Navy SEALs. 598 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:52,876 This may, in fact, become, 599 00:21:52,963 --> 00:21:55,314 sadly, a historic loss 600 00:21:55,401 --> 00:21:57,925 for U.S. Navy SEALs... 601 00:21:58,012 --> 00:21:59,405 - How do you feel, 602 00:21:59,492 --> 00:22:01,711 um, now, you know, being retired and-- 603 00:22:01,798 --> 00:22:02,973 about this case? 604 00:22:03,060 --> 00:22:05,541 - Looking back on it, it--it--loo-- 605 00:22:05,628 --> 00:22:07,674 one, it was the unbelievable team effort 606 00:22:07,761 --> 00:22:11,330 to bring this guy to justice in the right way-- 607 00:22:11,417 --> 00:22:12,766 - Yeah. - Preserving all his rights. 608 00:22:12,853 --> 00:22:14,463 Truly, that's what I'm most proud of-- 609 00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:16,726 to bring this one person back 610 00:22:16,813 --> 00:22:18,946 and then to have him sit in a court of law 611 00:22:19,033 --> 00:22:19,990 just like anyone else 612 00:22:20,077 --> 00:22:21,252 and get convicted by a jury. 613 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:28,477 ♪ ♪ 614 00:22:33,482 --> 00:22:35,615 - So on a personal level, 615 00:22:35,702 --> 00:22:37,704 you were sitting there, having pizza with your son, 616 00:22:37,791 --> 00:22:39,836 and you get called, and then you're gone. 617 00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:41,098 So how did that impact 618 00:22:41,185 --> 00:22:43,362 your family and you-- - Well, this one, 619 00:22:43,449 --> 00:22:44,624 I actually got a medal for. 620 00:22:44,711 --> 00:22:46,365 I got the Meritorious Achievement Medal, 621 00:22:46,452 --> 00:22:47,888 and at first, I was embarrassed. 622 00:22:47,975 --> 00:22:49,411 I'm like, "I don't want it," and I forget 623 00:22:49,498 --> 00:22:51,065 who in the Bureau told me-- he said, "Hey, the medal's 624 00:22:51,152 --> 00:22:52,371 not for you. It's for your family. 625 00:22:52,458 --> 00:22:54,024 So when my family went up to D.C., 626 00:22:54,111 --> 00:22:55,678 to get the medal, 627 00:22:55,765 --> 00:22:58,855 it, to them, I think, explained, 628 00:22:58,942 --> 00:23:00,161 like, what I was doing 629 00:23:00,248 --> 00:23:01,423 and how it was worth it 630 00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:02,424 and why Dad was gone so much.