1 00:00:05,701 --> 00:00:07,964 [tense music] 2 00:00:08,007 --> 00:00:10,880 - The marshals were there to arrest Randall Weaver 3 00:00:10,923 --> 00:00:13,013 for failure to appear warrant. 4 00:00:14,492 --> 00:00:18,105 - This guy is in like this isolated cabin up 5 00:00:18,148 --> 00:00:21,630 on a mountaintop in the panhandle of Idaho. 6 00:00:22,761 --> 00:00:25,068 - You know, he's putting suppressive fire down 7 00:00:25,112 --> 00:00:28,028 and ends up killing Sammy. 8 00:00:28,071 --> 00:00:29,725 [tense music] 9 00:00:31,466 --> 00:00:33,772 - The intensity of the protests 10 00:00:33,816 --> 00:00:36,166 at the bottom of the hill are getting worse. 11 00:00:36,210 --> 00:00:38,734 - Are you proud of yourselves?! 12 00:00:40,257 --> 00:00:43,043 - It's beginning to get more and more aggressive. 13 00:00:45,001 --> 00:00:47,264 - One of the most intense situations 14 00:00:47,308 --> 00:00:50,180 you ever had to put yourself in. This is one of them. 15 00:00:50,224 --> 00:00:52,400 - He was going to surrender. - Mm-hmm. 16 00:00:52,443 --> 00:00:54,750 - But his daughter's talked him out of it. 17 00:00:56,099 --> 00:00:58,449 - I've got my rifle over this rock 18 00:00:58,493 --> 00:01:00,060 and I'm praying to God, I don't want to kill 19 00:01:00,103 --> 00:01:02,323 this teenage kid. Please don't make me do this. 20 00:01:03,976 --> 00:01:06,979 - So if that little girl is standing there 21 00:01:07,023 --> 00:01:09,547 with a long weapon pointed at me, 22 00:01:09,591 --> 00:01:11,854 I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do. 23 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:19,992 [narrator]: In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 24 00:01:23,518 --> 00:01:26,390 Drug busts, mob stings. 25 00:01:26,999 --> 00:01:28,958 Terrorist takedowns. 26 00:01:29,524 --> 00:01:30,873 [indistinct shouting] 27 00:01:30,916 --> 00:01:32,222 We understand why people 28 00:01:32,265 --> 00:01:34,006 want to tell stories about us. 29 00:01:34,050 --> 00:01:35,660 - Mark it. - Freeze! 30 00:01:35,704 --> 00:01:36,618 - FBI. - FBI. 31 00:01:36,661 --> 00:01:38,054 - Action! 32 00:01:38,098 --> 00:01:40,143 [narrator]: But they don't know the half of it. 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,712 What really goes down? 34 00:01:43,755 --> 00:01:46,018 We save that for each other, 35 00:01:46,062 --> 00:01:48,108 when we're talking agent to agent. 36 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:54,157 This is FBI True. 37 00:01:57,204 --> 00:01:59,509 [tense music] 38 00:02:05,429 --> 00:02:08,084 - I think we all were struck with how the situation 39 00:02:08,127 --> 00:02:12,175 was ratcheting up considerably with this discovery. 40 00:02:12,219 --> 00:02:14,090 I just didn't know who had actually shot him. 41 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:16,266 But I assumed it was the marshals. 42 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:18,529 - Right. - And he was armed that day 43 00:02:18,573 --> 00:02:19,965 with a high-powered rifle. 44 00:02:20,009 --> 00:02:21,837 And I thought, well, maybe he's the one that killed 45 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,013 Marshal Degan. 46 00:02:24,056 --> 00:02:26,407 I didn't know. I did not know. 47 00:02:28,191 --> 00:02:30,454 - What happened there was the marshals 48 00:02:30,498 --> 00:02:32,456 were actually leaving for the day, 49 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:34,763 when Stryker found them. - Charlie. Who's Stryker? 50 00:02:34,805 --> 00:02:38,158 - Stryker is Sammy's little dog. A yellow lab. 51 00:02:38,201 --> 00:02:40,334 - And he was chasing... - The marshals. 52 00:02:40,377 --> 00:02:41,770 Sara even said in later statements 53 00:02:41,813 --> 00:02:44,033 that they saw Stryker go initially, 54 00:02:44,076 --> 00:02:45,600 and Sammy and Kevin went after him, 55 00:02:45,643 --> 00:02:49,081 and they all thought that Stryker had perhaps 56 00:02:49,125 --> 00:02:51,040 hit on a bear or a cougar. 57 00:02:51,606 --> 00:02:54,261 - And the dog's catching up to them. 58 00:02:54,304 --> 00:02:56,480 And so, the marshals turn around, 59 00:02:56,524 --> 00:02:58,613 one of them anyway, shoots the dog 60 00:02:58,656 --> 00:03:00,267 because it's almost on them. 61 00:03:00,310 --> 00:03:04,053 Well, Sammy, hears the shot. 62 00:03:07,056 --> 00:03:10,015 And he starts shooting at the marshals 63 00:03:10,059 --> 00:03:11,408 in their direction. 64 00:03:11,452 --> 00:03:15,673 Now, Marshal Degan comes into contact 65 00:03:15,717 --> 00:03:19,242 with Kevin Harris, and he gets shot. 66 00:03:22,941 --> 00:03:24,682 And when Deputy Cooper... 67 00:03:24,726 --> 00:03:27,555 You know, he's putting suppressive fire down 68 00:03:27,598 --> 00:03:32,255 and ends up, unbeknownst to him, killing Sammy. 69 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:35,692 None of them knew they had done that. 70 00:03:35,737 --> 00:03:39,088 - When you get to the base camp, 71 00:03:39,131 --> 00:03:41,003 are you learning about giving an update to the press 72 00:03:41,046 --> 00:03:43,266 that Sammy was passed? 73 00:03:43,310 --> 00:03:44,833 - They had to tell people. 74 00:03:44,876 --> 00:03:46,791 [reporter]: Federal officials have just announced 75 00:03:46,835 --> 00:03:48,837 Randy Weaver's 13-year-old son 76 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,666 died during the initial shootout Friday. 77 00:03:51,709 --> 00:03:53,406 - The intensity of the protests 78 00:03:53,450 --> 00:03:56,410 at the bottom of the hill are getting worse. 79 00:03:56,453 --> 00:04:00,283 - Shame on you! Shame on you! 80 00:04:00,327 --> 00:04:02,067 Shame on you! 81 00:04:02,111 --> 00:04:04,809 - It's beginning to get more and more aggressive. 82 00:04:04,853 --> 00:04:06,463 More and more people are showing up 83 00:04:06,507 --> 00:04:08,204 from different groups 84 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,032 [reporter]: Protesters and neighbors are apparently 85 00:04:10,075 --> 00:04:12,252 not taking the news well. 86 00:04:12,295 --> 00:04:17,213 - Bastards! Are you proud of yourselves? 87 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:19,171 - It was some white supremacist groups. 88 00:04:19,214 --> 00:04:21,130 - You're a disgrace to the white race! 89 00:04:21,173 --> 00:04:22,827 Disgrace to the race! 90 00:04:22,871 --> 00:04:24,351 - It was also sovereign citizens. 91 00:04:24,394 --> 00:04:25,787 Some of these constitutionalists. 92 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:27,571 Some people I think, they were probably 93 00:04:27,615 --> 00:04:29,399 genuinely concerned, maybe neighbors, 94 00:04:29,443 --> 00:04:32,054 but others were not. They were there to start trouble. 95 00:04:35,753 --> 00:04:37,102 - The people that were down there, 96 00:04:37,146 --> 00:04:39,453 ATF, marshals, controlling the perimeter. 97 00:04:39,496 --> 00:04:41,716 They were getting nervous. - Baby killer! 98 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:43,718 You're a baby killer! 99 00:04:43,761 --> 00:04:47,025 - You're a traitor to your race and your country! 100 00:04:47,765 --> 00:04:49,071 - Everybody has guns. 101 00:04:50,725 --> 00:04:52,553 Now you have not only a threat from within, 102 00:04:52,596 --> 00:04:54,163 but you have an outer perimeter threat. 103 00:04:54,206 --> 00:04:57,340 And it's really a perimeter that you cannot contain, 104 00:04:57,384 --> 00:04:59,603 even if you wanted to, because it's so vast around you. 105 00:04:59,647 --> 00:05:01,083 They could have come in from any direction. 106 00:05:01,126 --> 00:05:03,346 If they were hellbent on coming in and getting us, 107 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:04,347 they could have. 108 00:05:04,391 --> 00:05:05,305 [reporter]: Five neo-Nazis 109 00:05:05,348 --> 00:05:07,219 were arrested nearby, 110 00:05:07,263 --> 00:05:09,221 and charged with carrying in a small arsenal 111 00:05:09,265 --> 00:05:10,484 of concealed weapons 112 00:05:10,527 --> 00:05:12,312 [Rasner]: We need to get a resolution urgently. 113 00:05:12,355 --> 00:05:14,314 - What is the FBI planning at this point? 114 00:05:14,357 --> 00:05:16,141 - Everything stopped and we went straight 115 00:05:16,185 --> 00:05:21,277 to a negotiation strategy. 100%. 116 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:23,888 - We've got to find out why they're not talking to us. 117 00:05:23,932 --> 00:05:26,282 We've got to find another alternative 118 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:28,284 because what we're doing now is not working. 119 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:30,765 - At any point, have we communicated 120 00:05:30,808 --> 00:05:33,158 into the cabin like, "This is the FBI, 121 00:05:33,202 --> 00:05:35,335 you need to come out with your hands up? 122 00:05:35,378 --> 00:05:36,771 Or you need to surrender"? 123 00:05:36,814 --> 00:05:38,294 [soft music] 124 00:05:40,209 --> 00:05:42,211 - Oh, yeah. On a bullhorn. 125 00:05:42,254 --> 00:05:44,300 The negotiators are talking on a bullhorn. 126 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:45,736 - They don't have phones, right, in the cabin? 127 00:05:45,780 --> 00:05:46,955 [Rasner]: Nothing. [McGee]: No. 128 00:05:46,998 --> 00:05:48,304 [Kottis]: Do we give them a device 129 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:49,784 so that they can communicate back? 130 00:05:49,827 --> 00:05:51,394 - We put a throw phone on a robot 131 00:05:51,438 --> 00:05:53,308 and took it up there, and we told them 132 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:54,919 what it was and, we asked them to come out 133 00:05:54,963 --> 00:05:56,791 and take the phone. [McGee]: But there's really 134 00:05:56,834 --> 00:06:01,796 no movement from the cabin and there's no communication. 135 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,450 - What are the commands that they're saying 136 00:06:03,493 --> 00:06:05,452 to the Weaver family at this point? 137 00:06:05,495 --> 00:06:06,975 - They're just asking them to come out. 138 00:06:07,018 --> 00:06:08,672 They're offering them breakfast. 139 00:06:10,239 --> 00:06:12,328 They're saying, "Come on outside. 140 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:13,808 We have breakfast out here. 141 00:06:13,851 --> 00:06:15,331 We can work this out peacefully." 142 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:19,422 - We are taking every step we possibly can 143 00:06:19,466 --> 00:06:23,774 to, through the use of a phone, 144 00:06:23,818 --> 00:06:25,776 affect a surrender. 145 00:06:25,820 --> 00:06:28,039 - No response? - Nothing. Crickets. 146 00:06:28,082 --> 00:06:31,216 - Jim, so all of our attempts to negotiate, 147 00:06:31,260 --> 00:06:33,654 talk to, reach out to, have been negative. 148 00:06:33,697 --> 00:06:35,307 What does the FBI do at this point? 149 00:06:35,351 --> 00:06:37,440 - The negotiators decide to go with a third party 150 00:06:37,484 --> 00:06:41,226 intermediary. They bring in Bo Gritz, a Colonel. 151 00:06:45,230 --> 00:06:47,145 - Bo Gritz he was running for president, right? 152 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:49,321 - That's right. - I'm Bo Gritz, 153 00:06:49,365 --> 00:06:52,542 and I'm your candidate for president in 1992. 154 00:06:52,586 --> 00:06:54,283 - He's a former Green Beret. 155 00:06:54,326 --> 00:06:55,806 Highly decorated. 156 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:58,243 And they think that Randy Weaver, 157 00:06:58,287 --> 00:07:00,463 he's going to have respect for Bo Gritz. 158 00:07:00,507 --> 00:07:01,899 And Bo had a good reputation 159 00:07:01,943 --> 00:07:04,075 within the Aryan Nation community as well. 160 00:07:07,427 --> 00:07:10,386 He was considered sympathetic to their cause. 161 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:12,997 - Don't tell me that together, 162 00:07:13,041 --> 00:07:15,870 with an army of 11,000 patriots, 163 00:07:15,913 --> 00:07:18,568 that we can't take Capitol Hill 164 00:07:18,612 --> 00:07:20,831 back from District of Criminals 165 00:07:20,875 --> 00:07:23,486 and restore our government 166 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:26,924 where now "the" government exists. 167 00:07:26,968 --> 00:07:29,753 - In my experience, when they start to bring in 168 00:07:29,797 --> 00:07:31,581 a third party intermediary, 169 00:07:31,625 --> 00:07:34,105 they're losing control of negotiations, 170 00:07:34,149 --> 00:07:35,846 because they're not going to really be able to control 171 00:07:35,890 --> 00:07:40,329 what that person says or does during the negotiation process. 172 00:07:40,372 --> 00:07:43,550 - We, as citizens of the United States, 173 00:07:43,593 --> 00:07:47,031 and under the Constitution of the United States, 174 00:07:47,075 --> 00:07:51,296 do hereby present this citizen's arrest warrant 175 00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:53,081 for Gene Glenn. 176 00:07:55,562 --> 00:07:57,955 - We are entering the realm of a three-ring circus 177 00:07:57,999 --> 00:07:59,217 at this point, in my mind. 178 00:07:59,261 --> 00:08:01,089 - So we're going to do a TPI. 179 00:08:01,132 --> 00:08:03,483 He doesn't hike up. - No, no, no, no... 180 00:08:03,526 --> 00:08:05,136 - So, he gets driven up. 181 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:06,790 [tense music] 182 00:08:08,313 --> 00:08:10,272 He gets out of the APC? Does he yell out, 183 00:08:10,315 --> 00:08:12,535 Randy, it's Bo Gritz here. 184 00:08:12,579 --> 00:08:13,667 - I mean, pretty much, yeah. 185 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:15,930 - Weaver! This is Bo Gritz! 186 00:08:15,973 --> 00:08:19,194 - How'd that go? - They started to pick up communications. 187 00:08:19,237 --> 00:08:20,804 - What are some of the things that we're hearing 188 00:08:20,848 --> 00:08:23,111 coming from the cabin? - We found out 189 00:08:23,154 --> 00:08:27,115 that his wife Vicki had been shot. 190 00:08:39,126 --> 00:08:40,563 [Kottis]: What are some of the things we're hearing 191 00:08:40,607 --> 00:08:41,695 coming from the cabin? 192 00:08:41,738 --> 00:08:43,304 [McGee]: We found out 193 00:08:43,347 --> 00:08:46,656 that his wife Vicki had been shot. 194 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:48,310 [ominous music] 195 00:08:49,659 --> 00:08:54,751 - And that was the first words uttered by Randy Weaver. 196 00:08:54,795 --> 00:08:57,841 That was the first time anybody had said anything. 197 00:08:57,885 --> 00:09:00,365 - When he said it, the negotiator said, 198 00:09:00,409 --> 00:09:02,411 "Did you just say your bride is dead?" 199 00:09:05,632 --> 00:09:08,243 And that was the first indication 200 00:09:08,286 --> 00:09:10,071 that I had that she was dead. 201 00:09:10,114 --> 00:09:11,376 - Did you believe him? 202 00:09:12,203 --> 00:09:14,162 - We didn't have a choice. Why would you lie about that? 203 00:09:14,205 --> 00:09:16,077 - And the way he said it? Yes. He was.... 204 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,905 - Emotional. - We now have been told 205 00:09:17,948 --> 00:09:21,212 that Vicki Weaver was shot at some point 206 00:09:21,256 --> 00:09:23,345 and was deceased inside the cabin. 207 00:09:25,216 --> 00:09:28,785 And Kevin Harris is wounded severely. 208 00:09:30,352 --> 00:09:33,573 With a round in his chest that's probably fatal 209 00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:36,401 if it doesn't receive medical attention at some point. 210 00:09:36,445 --> 00:09:38,752 And then Randy Weaver, of course, has been shot. 211 00:09:42,407 --> 00:09:43,844 - Kevin... 212 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:48,065 is alright, 213 00:09:48,109 --> 00:09:50,328 but he did suffer a wound. 214 00:09:50,372 --> 00:09:52,374 Unfortunately, 215 00:09:52,417 --> 00:09:53,636 Vicki is dead. 216 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,029 [gasping] 217 00:09:55,551 --> 00:09:57,205 - He apparently has a radio that operates, 218 00:09:57,248 --> 00:09:59,642 he says, I want to hear, tonight, 219 00:09:59,686 --> 00:10:01,992 that you have made the announcement 220 00:10:02,036 --> 00:10:04,952 that my bride was killed on Saturday. 221 00:10:04,995 --> 00:10:07,128 [man]: We're going to war!! 222 00:10:07,737 --> 00:10:09,783 You're nothing! 223 00:10:10,914 --> 00:10:12,612 Don't touch me! 224 00:10:12,655 --> 00:10:14,048 [shouting] 225 00:10:15,179 --> 00:10:19,836 - Never will you take another woman down! 226 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,098 Never! 227 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:28,497 - My partner Lon was asked to come down 228 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:30,238 to the base camp. 229 00:10:30,281 --> 00:10:31,718 [Kottis]: Do you go with him? [Monroe]: No. 230 00:10:31,761 --> 00:10:33,023 - And does he ever come back up? 231 00:10:33,067 --> 00:10:35,635 - Oh, yeah. He came up and... 232 00:10:35,678 --> 00:10:37,462 he wasn't the same guy that went down. 233 00:10:37,506 --> 00:10:39,290 - Yeah. He was shook up. - He was. 234 00:10:39,334 --> 00:10:42,119 He's just ashen. 235 00:10:42,163 --> 00:10:43,991 And then when he came over, he told me 236 00:10:44,034 --> 00:10:46,167 what they suspect happened. 237 00:10:46,210 --> 00:10:47,647 - What does he say to you? 238 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:50,127 - Well, that, you know, Vicki was dead, 239 00:10:50,171 --> 00:10:53,522 and it looks like it was an accidental shooting. 240 00:10:53,565 --> 00:10:55,437 - Now you're going back to the Day One 241 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:56,830 when you guys went up to the perimeter 242 00:10:56,873 --> 00:10:58,179 and two shots were fired? 243 00:11:00,268 --> 00:11:03,750 [Monroe]: Yeah, because the door opened as the second round 244 00:11:03,793 --> 00:11:07,579 was fired. It ended up going through the plexiglass window, 245 00:11:07,623 --> 00:11:10,365 which I never saw that. I thought it was a solid door. 246 00:11:11,018 --> 00:11:13,760 - What you're saying is that Lon comes back, 247 00:11:13,803 --> 00:11:18,025 and what he shares is that the shot was fired, 248 00:11:18,068 --> 00:11:20,288 went through the plexiglass, 249 00:11:20,331 --> 00:11:23,813 went through Vicki Weaver's skull, 250 00:11:23,857 --> 00:11:27,425 exited and hit Harris. 251 00:11:27,469 --> 00:11:29,210 - Yes, the intended target. 252 00:11:29,253 --> 00:11:31,125 - This is such a big moment. 253 00:11:31,168 --> 00:11:32,474 Dale, what are you thinking? 254 00:11:32,517 --> 00:11:36,086 - Well, I have no idea. No clue. 255 00:11:36,130 --> 00:11:38,698 How could that happen? I mean, I saw one round 256 00:11:38,741 --> 00:11:41,701 go into Randy, and I was pretty sure 257 00:11:41,744 --> 00:11:45,617 I saw the round go into Harris. That's all I saw. 258 00:11:45,661 --> 00:11:48,272 - So now, we've got the three adults 259 00:11:48,316 --> 00:11:50,492 inside the cabin, one deceased, 260 00:11:50,535 --> 00:11:54,757 and two possibly, you know, critically wounded. 261 00:11:54,801 --> 00:11:56,803 This can't go on much longer. 262 00:11:56,846 --> 00:11:59,022 So the plan was made for Bo Gritz 263 00:11:59,066 --> 00:12:02,765 to enter the cabin and have face-to-face communications 264 00:12:02,809 --> 00:12:06,508 with Randy Weaver. And that's what happened. 265 00:12:06,551 --> 00:12:10,294 They were expecting him and he made entry into the cabin 266 00:12:10,338 --> 00:12:12,993 and now he's out of sight. And so we're going to have 267 00:12:13,036 --> 00:12:15,778 to set up some sort of emergency assault option 268 00:12:15,822 --> 00:12:19,564 in case things start to get bad inside. 269 00:12:19,608 --> 00:12:23,525 So, Bo Gritz is briefed that if things 270 00:12:23,568 --> 00:12:25,440 start to get really bad 271 00:12:25,483 --> 00:12:28,138 and you feel like your life is in danger, 272 00:12:28,182 --> 00:12:31,141 you need to say the word "Alaska". 273 00:12:31,881 --> 00:12:34,623 - And when someone says the code word... 274 00:12:34,665 --> 00:12:36,277 - That's when the emergency assault team 275 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,542 is going to make entry and rescue the TPI. 276 00:12:40,585 --> 00:12:43,675 Later, throughout my career, people ask me what... 277 00:12:43,719 --> 00:12:47,201 what is one of the most intense situations 278 00:12:47,244 --> 00:12:48,768 you ever had to put yourself in? 279 00:12:48,811 --> 00:12:50,857 This is one of them. Because I said 280 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:52,902 to the guy behind me, look, I was a fullback, 281 00:12:52,946 --> 00:12:55,818 you know, Division one. I said, I'm wearing my helmet 282 00:12:55,862 --> 00:12:57,951 and I'm going through the door. 283 00:12:57,994 --> 00:13:00,649 It's a goal line stand. 284 00:13:00,692 --> 00:13:03,173 When I get through that door, I'm not stopping 285 00:13:03,217 --> 00:13:04,784 until I get to the opposite wall. 286 00:13:04,827 --> 00:13:07,917 You make sure you're my tailback right behind me. 287 00:13:07,961 --> 00:13:10,311 So you take care of any business that I don't. 288 00:13:10,354 --> 00:13:12,835 Once I make entry into that room 289 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:16,012 and Randy, Kevin, and then these three girls, 290 00:13:16,056 --> 00:13:18,928 at least one of them who's a teenager 291 00:13:18,972 --> 00:13:21,539 and who has been participating in these ready action drills 292 00:13:21,583 --> 00:13:24,194 and has been trained with a long weapon, 293 00:13:24,238 --> 00:13:28,285 I don't want to have to defend myself and kill her. 294 00:13:29,591 --> 00:13:31,767 - You have kids. How many? 295 00:13:33,377 --> 00:13:34,552 - Four girls. 296 00:13:34,596 --> 00:13:36,076 - Yeah, I... You know... 297 00:13:36,119 --> 00:13:37,294 And so now you're gonna... 298 00:13:37,338 --> 00:13:39,514 - Yeah. And I just thought, you know, 299 00:13:39,557 --> 00:13:41,124 I've got to get my mind right here 300 00:13:41,168 --> 00:13:44,301 because I'm going home when this is over with. 301 00:13:44,345 --> 00:13:46,869 And so, if that little girl 302 00:13:46,913 --> 00:13:50,612 is standing there with a long weapon pointed at me, 303 00:13:50,655 --> 00:13:52,092 I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do. 304 00:13:52,135 --> 00:13:53,397 [Kottis]: Yes 305 00:13:56,270 --> 00:13:59,229 - Unbelievably, Bo Gritz is inside, 306 00:13:59,273 --> 00:14:00,796 we're in the line of march, 307 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,756 and here comes "Alaska." He says the word. 308 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,541 [ominous music] 309 00:14:08,848 --> 00:14:11,067 Behind me, my number two guy is kind of 310 00:14:11,111 --> 00:14:13,330 giving me the squeeze on the countdown. 311 00:14:13,374 --> 00:14:16,072 Five, four, three. 312 00:14:16,116 --> 00:14:17,769 I'm like, you know, getting ready to run 313 00:14:17,813 --> 00:14:20,163 the hundred meter, in the blocks, 314 00:14:20,207 --> 00:14:23,340 ready to take off. At one, it's... 315 00:14:23,384 --> 00:14:25,516 "Abort, abort, abort!" - Oh! 316 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,301 - And I'm like... [sighs] 317 00:14:27,344 --> 00:14:29,129 You know, beads of sweat coming down your forehead 318 00:14:29,172 --> 00:14:31,044 and thinking, okay, thank goodness that's over. 319 00:14:31,087 --> 00:14:34,438 And sure enough, he says it again. 320 00:14:37,659 --> 00:14:39,226 Alaska. 321 00:14:39,269 --> 00:14:40,880 [tense music] 322 00:14:43,099 --> 00:14:46,320 Again, they count it down all the way to one, 323 00:14:46,363 --> 00:14:47,712 and, "Abort, abort, abort!" 324 00:14:49,192 --> 00:14:51,325 And we stand down again. [sighs] 325 00:14:51,368 --> 00:14:53,936 And I wonder if Bo Gritz understands that, 326 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:55,677 you know, there's eight guys out there willing to risk 327 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,158 their lives to save him. 328 00:14:58,201 --> 00:15:00,595 - Why did we abort after the TPI 329 00:15:00,638 --> 00:15:03,293 said twice, the code red word? 330 00:15:04,599 --> 00:15:08,559 - I never heard an explanation. 331 00:15:08,603 --> 00:15:10,474 There's a lot of speculation. 332 00:15:10,518 --> 00:15:12,737 - Possibly, Bo Gritz... 333 00:15:12,781 --> 00:15:16,828 wanted to use this team 334 00:15:16,872 --> 00:15:18,830 to make him... 335 00:15:18,874 --> 00:15:21,485 "Look what I did. I ended the whole thing," 336 00:15:21,529 --> 00:15:23,357 because it would have ended the whole thing, 337 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,186 but, you know, not the way anybody wanted. 338 00:15:26,229 --> 00:15:28,797 And so, that's why the next time he went in, 339 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,670 it was Jack McLamb that took over and established rapport. 340 00:15:32,714 --> 00:15:34,498 - Who's this guy? - He was a retired 341 00:15:34,542 --> 00:15:35,978 Phoenix police officer. 342 00:15:36,022 --> 00:15:39,939 But he certainly established a good rapport 343 00:15:39,982 --> 00:15:42,724 with Randy that Gritz couldn't. 344 00:15:42,767 --> 00:15:44,595 - Who goes in? - Gritz an McLamb. 345 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:45,727 - Go back in. 346 00:15:48,034 --> 00:15:50,384 - Jack kept telling them 347 00:15:50,427 --> 00:15:53,735 you know, that their friend Kevin Harris 348 00:15:53,778 --> 00:15:56,042 needs some help there. Gangrene sets in 349 00:15:56,085 --> 00:15:58,174 and he's going to die. 350 00:15:58,218 --> 00:15:59,828 [ominous music] 351 00:16:01,830 --> 00:16:04,398 And so, Kevin was the first one to surrender. 352 00:16:13,537 --> 00:16:18,064 He came out and he was taken into custody 353 00:16:22,068 --> 00:16:25,419 - And then, right after that, they carried out Vicki's body. 354 00:16:34,254 --> 00:16:36,778 - So Jimmy, at this point, Kevin Harris is gone. 355 00:16:36,821 --> 00:16:38,388 They've taken Vicki Weaver's body. 356 00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:39,824 What happens next? 357 00:16:40,608 --> 00:16:42,958 - Well, now we're trying to get Randy Weaver 358 00:16:43,002 --> 00:16:44,655 to surrender along with his daughters 359 00:16:44,699 --> 00:16:46,962 and to bring his infant child out. 360 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:48,877 The negotiations were continuing. 361 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,924 - I'll just say this. Negotiations concerning 362 00:16:52,968 --> 00:16:55,971 the final resolution to this matter are still ongoing. 363 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:58,626 - We thought this is going to be a good day for it, 364 00:16:58,669 --> 00:17:02,847 'cause his buddy's gone, his wife's, you know, out now. 365 00:17:02,891 --> 00:17:06,502 It's just him and the girls and he was going to surrender, 366 00:17:06,547 --> 00:17:08,896 but his daughter's talked him out of it. 367 00:17:08,940 --> 00:17:11,030 - How does a 16-year-old tell the adult? 368 00:17:11,073 --> 00:17:13,118 - He said he was going to surrender and then he said, 369 00:17:13,162 --> 00:17:16,818 "Nah, my daughter said... said not to surrender. 370 00:17:16,861 --> 00:17:18,559 So I'm not surrendering." 371 00:17:23,781 --> 00:17:26,219 - Vicki wore the pants in that family. 372 00:17:30,005 --> 00:17:31,485 Vicki's gone. Sara, their daughter, 373 00:17:31,528 --> 00:17:35,184 assumes that role. Sara had long guns. 374 00:17:35,228 --> 00:17:37,882 She had been on video carrying a long gun. 375 00:17:38,753 --> 00:17:40,581 She was a very strong-willed young woman. 376 00:17:40,624 --> 00:17:43,062 She'd lost her brother, she'd lost her mother. 377 00:17:43,105 --> 00:17:45,803 She'd just seen this family friend leave. 378 00:17:45,847 --> 00:17:48,371 You know, she sees her mother carried out in a body bag. 379 00:17:48,415 --> 00:17:50,330 Her state of mind is not stable. 380 00:17:50,373 --> 00:17:53,811 So she was my biggest concern at that point. 381 00:17:57,424 --> 00:18:00,470 - But the next day, the door opens. 382 00:18:00,514 --> 00:18:04,083 Randy Weaver was carrying his baby in his arms. And 383 00:18:04,126 --> 00:18:06,389 he had Rachel on one side of him 384 00:18:06,433 --> 00:18:08,261 and Sara on the other side of him. 385 00:18:08,304 --> 00:18:11,177 - And I was, like I said, concerned about Sara 386 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:13,701 because she was the one that didn't want to come out. 387 00:18:13,744 --> 00:18:17,008 She was the last holdout. And so I'm zeroed in on her. 388 00:18:17,052 --> 00:18:19,576 I've got my rifle over this rock 389 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,187 and I'm praying to God, I don't want to kill 390 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:23,276 this teenage kid. Please don't make me do this. 391 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:24,407 And I just, like, squeeze it. 392 00:18:24,451 --> 00:18:26,409 And then suddenly, she just... 393 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:27,758 they just gave up. 394 00:18:32,981 --> 00:18:34,461 And it was... - Yep. 395 00:18:34,504 --> 00:18:35,766 - Then it was over. 396 00:18:42,991 --> 00:18:44,645 - It ended the way we wanted it to end. 397 00:18:44,688 --> 00:18:45,776 - Right. - From the beginning. 398 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:48,170 But it didn't happen for ten days 399 00:18:48,214 --> 00:18:50,999 - A white supremacist who held off scores of police 400 00:18:51,042 --> 00:18:53,523 and federal agents is being held this morning 401 00:18:53,567 --> 00:18:55,351 at a lockup in Boise, Idaho. 402 00:18:55,395 --> 00:18:58,224 44-year-old Randy Weaver surrendered yesterday, 403 00:18:58,267 --> 00:19:00,835 with his three surviving children. 404 00:19:00,878 --> 00:19:02,706 - Tell me about the flight home back to Quantico. 405 00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:04,317 What does that feel like? 406 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:06,188 - The aftermath of it initially for us 407 00:19:06,232 --> 00:19:09,191 and the team was nothing. We went on to the next mission. 408 00:19:09,235 --> 00:19:12,107 - The mission was handled. Yeah. At the end of the day, 409 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:15,197 we got on the C-141, headed back to Quantico. 410 00:19:15,241 --> 00:19:16,764 Job done. 411 00:19:16,807 --> 00:19:19,070 [ominous music] 412 00:19:25,773 --> 00:19:27,383 [reporter]: It all started with a bloody shootout 413 00:19:27,427 --> 00:19:29,472 at the Idaho mountain top cabin 414 00:19:29,516 --> 00:19:32,562 of radical white separatist Randy Weaver. 415 00:19:32,606 --> 00:19:36,305 Today, a federal jury found Weaver and co-defendant, 416 00:19:36,349 --> 00:19:39,917 Kevin Harris, not guilty in the death of the marshal. 417 00:19:39,961 --> 00:19:43,312 Their attorneys called it a "clear case of self defense." 418 00:19:43,356 --> 00:19:46,402 Critics say the government botched the case. 419 00:19:46,446 --> 00:19:48,926 - When people started digging into his true background 420 00:19:48,970 --> 00:19:50,711 that he was actually just a truck driver, 421 00:19:50,754 --> 00:19:53,801 not SF, Special Forces, not the Rambo. 422 00:19:53,844 --> 00:19:57,500 - In 1994, when all this came up, 423 00:19:57,544 --> 00:20:00,503 All of a sudden, it's being looked upon 424 00:20:00,547 --> 00:20:04,246 like we are overreaching law enforcement 425 00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:07,597 and we're... What's the term that...? 426 00:20:07,641 --> 00:20:09,251 - Jackbooted. - Jackbooted thugs, 427 00:20:09,295 --> 00:20:11,688 et cetera, et cetera. And then it brings in 428 00:20:11,732 --> 00:20:14,213 investigation after investigation 429 00:20:14,256 --> 00:20:15,736 after investigation. 430 00:20:15,779 --> 00:20:17,999 - Congressional oversight hearings, 431 00:20:18,042 --> 00:20:20,567 DOJ, inspector general, FBI. 432 00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:22,917 What is it like to testify before Congress? 433 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,528 - Well, that was one of the worst days of my life. 434 00:20:25,572 --> 00:20:28,052 [Spence]: Mr. Monroe, if you would proceed... 435 00:20:28,096 --> 00:20:30,054 - I would like to correct something said last week 436 00:20:30,098 --> 00:20:32,535 in this hearing. 437 00:20:32,579 --> 00:20:36,191 Mr. Spence said we were trained killers. 438 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,975 We are not. 439 00:20:38,019 --> 00:20:39,803 We are trained to save lives. 440 00:20:39,847 --> 00:20:41,414 In my 10 years as an agent, 441 00:20:41,457 --> 00:20:44,243 I've never shot nor killed anyone, 442 00:20:44,286 --> 00:20:47,855 and in the 12 years of HRT's existence, 443 00:20:47,898 --> 00:20:52,207 and the dozens of operations responding to violent crises, 444 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,602 a firearm was discharged on only four occasions. 445 00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:58,866 The trained killer accusation is unfair 446 00:20:58,909 --> 00:21:01,303 to all dedicated agents 447 00:21:01,347 --> 00:21:03,697 and to the widow of United States Marshal 448 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:05,394 William Deegan. 449 00:21:09,833 --> 00:21:10,921 Thank you. 450 00:21:10,965 --> 00:21:13,141 - Wasn't this case investigated for, 451 00:21:13,184 --> 00:21:15,143 I believe, almost ten years? 452 00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:17,450 - Oh, forever. - Yeah. But my partner, 453 00:21:17,493 --> 00:21:20,801 Lon, also received... 454 00:21:21,845 --> 00:21:23,847 a multitude of death threats. 455 00:21:23,891 --> 00:21:27,764 And as a result of that, he had to go on the run. 456 00:21:27,808 --> 00:21:29,810 He couldn't stay here. 457 00:21:29,853 --> 00:21:32,029 And he did go on the run for about a year. 458 00:21:32,073 --> 00:21:34,684 - Who are some of the people that were targeting Lon? 459 00:21:35,381 --> 00:21:37,296 - Well, Timothy McVeigh had his photo, 460 00:21:37,339 --> 00:21:38,949 you know, with him. 461 00:21:40,864 --> 00:21:42,866 - I understood, you know, based on information 462 00:21:42,910 --> 00:21:44,912 that I obtained, that he was taking the picture to gun shows 463 00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:48,350 and rallies and things of that nature 464 00:21:48,394 --> 00:21:51,266 and passing out Lon's home address, 465 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:53,224 everywhere he went, anywhere we went. 466 00:21:53,268 --> 00:21:56,532 - The worst outcome was the Weaver family 467 00:21:56,576 --> 00:21:59,361 getting 3.1 million dollars. 468 00:21:59,405 --> 00:22:01,363 - The Justice Department says it has agreed 469 00:22:01,407 --> 00:22:04,061 to pay more than three million dollars 470 00:22:04,105 --> 00:22:07,413 to a white separatist, Randy Weaver, and his family. 471 00:22:07,456 --> 00:22:11,591 - I think for me personally, 472 00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:14,158 my sympathy was then and remains 473 00:22:14,202 --> 00:22:15,986 with Marshal Degan's family. 474 00:22:24,081 --> 00:22:27,302 Because no one was ever held accountable for his murder. 475 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:30,000 - It's true. If Weaver had done the right thing 476 00:22:30,044 --> 00:22:33,047 from the get-go, wouldn't have had to call us, 477 00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:36,224 wouldn't have lost his son, wouldn't have lost his wife, 478 00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:38,792 but at the end of the day, we accomplished the mission 479 00:22:38,835 --> 00:22:44,014 and the perpetrator was brought to justice by us. 480 00:22:45,842 --> 00:22:47,409 We did our job. 481 00:22:47,453 --> 00:22:50,847 We were sent to resolve 482 00:22:50,891 --> 00:22:52,980 an assault on a federal officer case... 483 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:56,113 and we did. 484 00:22:56,157 --> 00:22:57,767 - There's a tendency to sensationalize 485 00:22:57,811 --> 00:22:59,508 these stories, especially if they have 486 00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:03,164 that potential to be a political football, 487 00:23:03,207 --> 00:23:05,949 if you will, for, you know, whichever side. 488 00:23:05,993 --> 00:23:08,212 We're apolitical. I mean, 489 00:23:08,256 --> 00:23:09,823 we have a job. We have a mission. 490 00:23:09,866 --> 00:23:11,825 In this case, 491 00:23:11,868 --> 00:23:14,393 it was... a United States deputy marshal 492 00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:18,135 had been murdered, and in the course 493 00:23:18,179 --> 00:23:21,182 of performing his legal duties. So we're going to respond 494 00:23:21,225 --> 00:23:23,097 to that and try to take into custody 495 00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:25,012 the people that are suspected of doing it. 496 00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:27,318 I mean, that's where it begins and ends. 497 00:23:27,362 --> 00:23:28,711 - Yup. 498 00:23:28,755 --> 00:23:30,670 [soft music] 499 00:23:33,977 --> 00:23:36,502 [tense music] 500 00:23:36,545 --> 00:23:39,243 Subtitling: difuze