1 00:00:36,041 --> 00:00:38,166 - Do you need bottles? - I have bottles. 2 00:00:46,791 --> 00:00:48,791 Does anyone need... You need bottles? 3 00:00:49,833 --> 00:00:51,416 What time? 4:15? 4 00:00:51,666 --> 00:00:53,416 The timekeepers are going to give a signal. 5 00:00:53,416 --> 00:00:54,458 Okay. 6 00:01:00,291 --> 00:01:02,541 Everyone has bottles? Okay. 7 00:01:02,666 --> 00:01:04,458 - You ready to go in? - Let's go. 8 00:01:18,833 --> 00:01:21,083 There's a guard walking around looking puzzled. 9 00:01:21,458 --> 00:01:24,083 I think he's trying to count the number of people. 10 00:01:30,416 --> 00:01:32,166 I'm really nervous, man. 11 00:01:33,791 --> 00:01:36,750 - Let's start. - Let's go, let's do it, go. 12 00:01:37,208 --> 00:01:39,166 - Mic check. - Mic check! 13 00:01:39,416 --> 00:01:41,000 - Mic check. - Mic check! 14 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:45,291 - 100,000 dead. - 100,000 dead! 15 00:01:45,541 --> 00:01:47,125 100,000 dead! 16 00:01:47,375 --> 00:01:49,166 - 100,000 dead! - Don't do anything. 17 00:01:49,416 --> 00:01:51,416 You can't do anything as far as... 18 00:01:51,666 --> 00:01:54,333 - Temple of death. - Temple of death! 19 00:01:54,583 --> 00:01:57,541 - Temple of money. - Temple of money! 20 00:01:57,791 --> 00:02:00,541 - Temple of greed. - Temple of greed! 21 00:02:00,791 --> 00:02:03,916 - Temple of Oxy. - Temple of Oxy! 22 00:02:04,166 --> 00:02:07,500 - Sacklers lie. - Sacklers lie! 23 00:02:07,750 --> 00:02:10,958 - Thousands die. - Thousands die! 24 00:02:11,333 --> 00:02:14,750 - The Sacklers knew... - The Sacklers knew... 25 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,375 - Their pills would kill. - Their pills would kill! 26 00:02:18,958 --> 00:02:20,500 They built this wing! 27 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:23,083 - They killed this wing... - Take this outside... 28 00:02:23,083 --> 00:02:25,000 Excuse me. No, excuse me... 29 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:42,708 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 30 00:02:42,958 --> 00:02:45,333 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 31 00:02:45,583 --> 00:02:48,166 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 32 00:04:02,666 --> 00:04:05,916 It's easy to make your life into stories. 33 00:04:07,208 --> 00:04:12,916 But it's harder to... sustain real memories. 34 00:04:16,083 --> 00:04:17,750 What do you mean? 35 00:04:20,458 --> 00:04:23,500 Well, the difference between the story and the real memory. 36 00:04:26,958 --> 00:04:30,541 The real experience has a smell and is dirty, 37 00:04:30,791 --> 00:04:34,666 and is not wrapped up in simple endings. 38 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:46,500 The real memories are what affects me now. 39 00:04:49,708 --> 00:04:52,958 Things can appear that you didn't want to see, 40 00:04:53,416 --> 00:04:55,750 where you're not safe. 41 00:04:57,041 --> 00:05:00,833 And even if you don't actually unleash the memories, 42 00:05:01,083 --> 00:05:04,958 the effect is there. It's in your body. 43 00:05:30,250 --> 00:05:31,625 All right. 44 00:06:37,958 --> 00:06:43,208 It was a claustrophobic suburb. "Don't let the neighbors know." 45 00:06:43,458 --> 00:06:47,708 My mother used to say that all the time. It wasn't just an attitude. 46 00:06:47,958 --> 00:06:50,708 Actually, the neighbors did know, we found out years later 47 00:06:50,833 --> 00:06:53,666 'cause there was so much screaming in the house. 48 00:06:55,625 --> 00:06:57,625 Tell me about your sister. 49 00:07:01,166 --> 00:07:08,000 My mother insisted that Barbara speak in full sentences at the age of one. 50 00:07:08,916 --> 00:07:14,125 And so she stopped talking for at least a year and a half. 51 00:07:15,583 --> 00:07:19,500 Yeah, that was the first act of rebellion by my sister. 52 00:07:25,916 --> 00:07:29,375 She would just wash my hair or hold me, 53 00:07:29,625 --> 00:07:33,166 or these kind of things that you need when you're a kid. 54 00:07:34,333 --> 00:07:37,041 And she knew how to do that, even though 55 00:07:37,291 --> 00:07:40,083 she hadn't been mothered in that way. 56 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:46,333 She made me aware at a very young age 57 00:07:46,583 --> 00:07:51,375 about the banality and deadening grip of suburbia. 58 00:07:58,708 --> 00:08:01,333 She had a wildness to her. 59 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:09,291 She played the piano constantly. 60 00:08:09,791 --> 00:08:14,416 Chopin... Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky... 61 00:08:14,666 --> 00:08:18,875 And you could tell how she was feeling by how she was playing. 62 00:08:22,166 --> 00:08:26,500 The parakeets would sit on her shoulders while she played. 63 00:08:28,833 --> 00:08:32,166 She trusted me with all her secrets. 64 00:08:36,166 --> 00:08:40,958 She went on Saturday nights to the movies to make out with boys. 65 00:08:43,208 --> 00:08:47,416 That was when she stood up for herself and yelled back. 66 00:08:49,833 --> 00:08:53,791 And she talked to me about feelings for other girls. 67 00:08:56,708 --> 00:09:02,000 It was a period of sexual repression, and she was made to fear her sexuality. 68 00:09:05,125 --> 00:09:08,333 And a lot of it was her need to be held. 69 00:09:13,250 --> 00:09:17,583 She had a saying: "Lean cat, savage cat." 70 00:09:19,583 --> 00:09:21,833 I felt very close to her, 71 00:09:22,083 --> 00:09:26,541 but she was in and out of institutions for most of my childhood. 72 00:09:29,791 --> 00:09:34,166 Once they started sending her away, they kept sending her away. 73 00:09:37,833 --> 00:09:41,208 My parents took away her credibility and... 74 00:09:41,958 --> 00:09:45,875 silenced her by calling her "mentally ill." 75 00:09:52,708 --> 00:09:55,208 The police came into the house. 76 00:09:55,708 --> 00:10:00,125 My father started wailing on the front lawn, wailing. 77 00:10:01,083 --> 00:10:03,750 They were talking to my mother, saying that 78 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,750 "We found your daughter, and she committed suicide." 79 00:10:08,875 --> 00:10:13,958 And I heard my mother say, "Tell the children it was an accident." 80 00:10:15,250 --> 00:10:20,833 My interpretation from that minute was... denial. 81 00:10:21,250 --> 00:10:24,000 She didn't want us to know the truth. 82 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:28,083 That's when it clicked. 83 00:10:47,458 --> 00:10:50,833 Okay, let's try it towards the left. 84 00:11:01,166 --> 00:11:03,166 - Yeah. - Or like in the middle? 85 00:11:03,416 --> 00:11:07,166 I don't know. Can you move over to the right? 86 00:11:07,416 --> 00:11:08,791 Keep going, okay, 87 00:11:09,041 --> 00:11:12,875 I can't really see because your body... Thank you. 88 00:11:13,125 --> 00:11:13,833 Wow. 89 00:11:15,541 --> 00:11:16,875 Do you like it? 90 00:11:17,125 --> 00:11:21,041 Okay, I just want to see one more thing. Can you switch these two? 91 00:11:21,875 --> 00:11:26,208 Okay, and one more idea. A couple more ideas. 92 00:11:26,916 --> 00:11:29,666 I could do this all night. Watch out. 93 00:11:30,916 --> 00:11:31,958 Yeah... 94 00:11:37,041 --> 00:11:40,000 I was thinking about this last night that... 95 00:11:40,250 --> 00:11:43,958 People talk about all kinds of relationships, with their partner, 96 00:11:44,208 --> 00:11:46,916 their children, their parents and... 97 00:11:47,458 --> 00:11:49,750 The relationships that have mattered most to me, 98 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,375 probably my whole life, are my friends. 99 00:11:53,458 --> 00:11:56,083 I only escaped because of my friends. 100 00:11:56,958 --> 00:11:58,041 Right. 101 00:12:02,041 --> 00:12:04,458 Yeah, that's better. That's perfect. 102 00:12:16,416 --> 00:12:19,125 "I survived the opioid crisis. 103 00:12:20,375 --> 00:12:22,000 "I narrowly escaped. 104 00:12:24,333 --> 00:12:29,250 "My relationship to OxyContin began several years ago in Berlin. 105 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:33,333 "It was originally prescribed for surgery. 106 00:12:34,916 --> 00:12:38,708 "Though I took it as directed, I got addicted overnight. 107 00:12:39,875 --> 00:12:43,041 "In the beginning, 40 milligrams was too strong. 108 00:12:43,333 --> 00:12:46,375 "But as my habit grew, there was never enough. 109 00:12:48,208 --> 00:12:52,708 "I went from 3 pills a day, as prescribed, to 18. 110 00:12:53,958 --> 00:12:57,041 "The drug, like all drugs, lost its effect. 111 00:12:57,333 --> 00:12:59,583 "So I picked up the straw. 112 00:13:01,125 --> 00:13:05,000 "My life revolved entirely around getting and using Oxy, 113 00:13:05,250 --> 00:13:10,375 "counting and recounting, crushing and snorting was my full-time job. 114 00:13:13,791 --> 00:13:17,083 "When I got out of treatment, I learned that the Sackler family, 115 00:13:17,333 --> 00:13:19,791 "whose name I knew from museums and galleries, 116 00:13:20,208 --> 00:13:22,750 "were responsible for the epidemic. 117 00:13:24,375 --> 00:13:27,750 "The Sackler family and their private company, Purdue Pharma, 118 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,708 "advertised and distributed their medication, knowing all the dangers. 119 00:13:34,875 --> 00:13:38,958 "I've started a group, P.A.I.N., to hold them accountable. 120 00:13:40,666 --> 00:13:43,833 "To get their ear, we will target their philanthropy. 121 00:13:44,083 --> 00:13:45,958 "They have washed their blood money through the halls 122 00:13:46,208 --> 00:13:49,916 "of museums and universities around the world." 123 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,958 I had no idea that it was going to actually have the traction that it did. 124 00:14:00,208 --> 00:14:03,958 It's definitely among the, if not the most, 125 00:14:04,458 --> 00:14:08,041 proud moments of my tenure as editor of the magazine. 126 00:14:09,208 --> 00:14:11,125 She knew how to use her power. 127 00:14:11,375 --> 00:14:13,791 She's a figure that these museums also wanted to work with. 128 00:14:14,041 --> 00:14:18,416 They want in their collections. She's a major name in the art world. 129 00:14:18,666 --> 00:14:20,583 When she published the portfolio 130 00:14:20,833 --> 00:14:22,833 it was the fact that she was doing it that mattered. 131 00:14:23,083 --> 00:14:27,000 I knew this would put her on the line in a real serious way and... 132 00:14:27,291 --> 00:14:31,416 I was concerned for her safety. I was concerned for... 133 00:14:31,875 --> 00:14:35,750 whether she would be drummed out of the art world. 134 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,666 I think that... 135 00:14:38,625 --> 00:14:43,083 She was taking on a very powerful family, one of the most powerful families. 136 00:14:47,416 --> 00:14:51,083 I mean, if anyone belongs in jail, it's these people. 137 00:14:51,541 --> 00:14:54,166 And as long as there's a jail, they should be in it... 138 00:14:55,250 --> 00:14:57,958 until the whole prison system is dismantled. 139 00:14:58,208 --> 00:15:00,208 They should be the last to leave. 140 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,625 - Last one, lights out. - Last one. 141 00:15:04,458 --> 00:15:09,041 After I met Nan and we connected on levels of... 142 00:15:09,458 --> 00:15:14,166 having experience with addiction and stuff like that... 143 00:15:14,583 --> 00:15:18,041 She said, "Why don't you come to one of our P.A.I.N. meetings?" 144 00:15:19,166 --> 00:15:23,250 Most members of P.A.I.N. have a direct experience with addiction, 145 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:25,333 or loss of a loved one. 146 00:15:25,583 --> 00:15:29,291 We have members who lost their children... 147 00:15:30,541 --> 00:15:34,416 to overdose, that have family members who are struggling, 148 00:15:34,666 --> 00:15:36,666 or that they themselves have struggled. 149 00:15:37,125 --> 00:15:39,916 Yeah, but death is the bottom line of this, 150 00:15:40,166 --> 00:15:43,458 and that should be reminded, we should do a die-in of some sort. 151 00:15:43,708 --> 00:15:45,333 Do we want to marshal numbers? 152 00:15:45,458 --> 00:15:48,083 - But each of us will be then responsible... - Trusted friends... 153 00:15:48,333 --> 00:15:50,000 The focus on the family, 154 00:15:50,375 --> 00:15:53,416 I would say there was a little bit of fear in the group about 155 00:15:53,666 --> 00:15:55,916 going straight for them, although we felt that we should. 156 00:15:56,708 --> 00:15:59,208 Yeah, this is the decisive one. 157 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:03,333 Nan actually said, "Do you think my career will implode?" 158 00:16:03,583 --> 00:16:05,208 And I said, "Probably." 159 00:16:05,583 --> 00:16:10,000 I said, "Yes, these are very scary, powerful people. 160 00:16:10,375 --> 00:16:13,000 "But then again, what else can you do?" 161 00:16:13,250 --> 00:16:16,708 And she said, "I think we should take these people down." 162 00:16:16,958 --> 00:16:19,500 And I said, "Well, I'm with you." 163 00:16:20,291 --> 00:16:24,333 And then we started meeting and we would sit in Nan's house 164 00:16:24,625 --> 00:16:27,500 and dream up of things we wanted to do. 165 00:16:32,166 --> 00:16:33,791 He's really sweet. 166 00:16:34,541 --> 00:16:36,666 He's sweet on Alex, man. 167 00:16:37,583 --> 00:16:38,916 Go on. 168 00:16:47,041 --> 00:16:51,000 Let's see where it all starts here. 169 00:16:51,541 --> 00:16:56,333 I mean, there's literally so many of these that it's hard for me to find... 170 00:16:56,791 --> 00:17:02,541 Yeah, this is September 2019... I get this legal hold notice. 171 00:17:02,958 --> 00:17:04,958 "Dear Mr. Keefe, I write on behalf of my clients, 172 00:17:05,208 --> 00:17:06,625 "members of the Raymond Sackler family. 173 00:17:06,875 --> 00:17:11,875 "You are hereby directed to preserve and not to destroy, conceal or alter 174 00:17:12,125 --> 00:17:14,958 "any and all documents and communications in your possession 175 00:17:15,125 --> 00:17:18,250 "that relate in any way to any members of the Sackler family, 176 00:17:18,375 --> 00:17:21,458 "the article, Purdue Pharma, and/or OxyContin..." 177 00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:23,291 And on and on and on. 178 00:17:24,583 --> 00:17:28,458 One of the things that's so strange about the Sackler family is that 179 00:17:28,708 --> 00:17:30,666 we talk about them in monolithic terms, 180 00:17:30,916 --> 00:17:33,375 but really it's three families and... 181 00:17:33,625 --> 00:17:37,875 they spring from these three original brothers, Arthur, Mortimer and Raymond. 182 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:40,000 His name is Arthur Sackler. 183 00:17:40,250 --> 00:17:44,583 For 40 years, he has brought energy, goodwill and intelligence to art. 184 00:17:45,333 --> 00:17:46,833 He owns thousands of works, 185 00:17:47,083 --> 00:17:49,750 presently displayed not only at the Metropolitan Museum, 186 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,833 but in university collections as well. 187 00:17:55,041 --> 00:17:59,958 Knowing that the goal of peace is engraved in your hearts, 188 00:18:00,208 --> 00:18:03,750 Mrs. Sackler and I present to you this verse... 189 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,250 Arthur died before the introduction of OxyContin. 190 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:13,208 And yet so much of what's happened is, in part, a function of Arthur's legacy. 191 00:18:14,750 --> 00:18:19,583 His contemporaries knew him as this great art collector and this philanthropist. 192 00:18:19,875 --> 00:18:21,833 And the dirty secret was that 193 00:18:22,083 --> 00:18:24,958 he had come to this position of prominence and great wealth 194 00:18:25,208 --> 00:18:28,416 through the marketing of this drug, which also happened to be quite addictive. 195 00:18:29,833 --> 00:18:36,666 He creates a whole means of selling Valium in which you're targeting doctors. 196 00:18:37,208 --> 00:18:40,500 He devised a compensation scheme in which 197 00:18:40,750 --> 00:18:43,583 he would get paid a series of escalating bonuses 198 00:18:43,833 --> 00:18:45,708 based on how much Valium they sold. 199 00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:47,916 Well, Valium becomes the best-selling drug 200 00:18:48,291 --> 00:18:51,083 in the history of the pharmaceutical industry. 201 00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:52,583 From his personal collection, 202 00:18:52,833 --> 00:18:56,958 Sackler gave the Smithsonian carte blanche to select a thousand pieces, 203 00:18:57,208 --> 00:18:59,250 the best from a lifetime of collecting. 204 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,791 The whole Sackler enterprise has been about marketing, 205 00:19:05,041 --> 00:19:09,000 the marketing of OxyContin, but also the marketing of the family name. 206 00:19:09,708 --> 00:19:13,208 There's the family of the art world and the museum world and philanthropy. 207 00:19:13,458 --> 00:19:19,291 And then there's the kind of grubby, unpleasant story of... 208 00:19:20,166 --> 00:19:23,500 big pharma marketing and addiction and death. 209 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,541 Don't be afraid to take what they give you. 210 00:19:26,791 --> 00:19:29,541 Often it will be an opioid medication. 211 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,125 Some patients may be afraid of taking opioids 212 00:19:33,375 --> 00:19:37,166 because they're perceived as too strong, or addictive. 213 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:39,833 But that is far from actual fact. 214 00:19:40,875 --> 00:19:45,750 The Sacklers owned Purdue, this company that set out very deliberately 215 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,833 to change the way in which these strong opioids were prescribed 216 00:19:49,083 --> 00:19:52,375 and to do so, by claiming that they weren't addictive. 217 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:55,875 A week or two after my article came out, 218 00:19:56,125 --> 00:19:58,958 I got this email, this kind of cryptic email 219 00:19:59,416 --> 00:20:01,416 from the studio of Nan Goldin that said, 220 00:20:01,666 --> 00:20:04,458 "The photographer Nan Goldin would like to meet with you." 221 00:20:04,708 --> 00:20:06,916 And I was a little mystified, didn't know what it was about. 222 00:20:07,166 --> 00:20:09,000 But we set up a meeting. 223 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:10,916 She had this kind of "roll up your sleeves, 224 00:20:11,166 --> 00:20:12,666 "We gotta do something! We gotta organize! 225 00:20:12,916 --> 00:20:18,125 "We gotta get out there!" And I probably was... 226 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:22,958 I blush to think, but I probably was gently patronizing and said, 227 00:20:23,208 --> 00:20:26,750 "Well, good for you, glad to hear it. You keep me posted on that." 228 00:20:37,083 --> 00:20:39,625 I love working in a material I know. 229 00:20:39,875 --> 00:20:41,916 Blue valium bottles. 230 00:20:43,833 --> 00:20:48,083 My anger at the Sackler family, it's personal. 231 00:20:48,333 --> 00:20:54,250 I hate these people, but it's not about my own addiction. 232 00:20:55,250 --> 00:20:59,208 I mean, when you think of the profit off people's pain. 233 00:20:59,541 --> 00:21:02,666 You can only be furious about it. 234 00:21:03,083 --> 00:21:06,750 Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 235 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,458 Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 236 00:21:10,708 --> 00:21:14,583 Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 237 00:21:14,791 --> 00:21:18,750 Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 238 00:21:23,916 --> 00:21:29,875 We consciously talked about Act Up and what Act Up had done. 239 00:21:30,125 --> 00:21:35,958 And how we wanted for these actions to make an impact. 240 00:21:37,125 --> 00:21:41,500 This idea of a bottle was the first object we created. 241 00:21:41,916 --> 00:21:48,166 All the museums, institutions need to stop taking money 242 00:21:48,416 --> 00:21:51,625 from these corrupt, evil bastards. 243 00:22:06,291 --> 00:22:10,875 I got thrown out of every school and every house that I lived. 244 00:22:12,541 --> 00:22:17,625 I got thrown out of my parents' home. I got thrown out of my foster family. 245 00:22:17,875 --> 00:22:20,875 I got thrown out of the communal foster family. 246 00:22:21,125 --> 00:22:22,291 - Seriously? - Yeah. 247 00:22:22,541 --> 00:22:25,250 There's not one I can think of that... 248 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:30,416 Yeah, I made an art of it. 249 00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:35,875 Okay, but why were you with foster parents? 250 00:22:36,333 --> 00:22:41,458 A psychiatrist told my father that if I stayed in the house, 251 00:22:41,708 --> 00:22:44,750 the same thing would happen as what happened with Barbara. 252 00:22:45,333 --> 00:22:48,791 So my parents sent me to a foster agency. 253 00:22:50,583 --> 00:22:55,083 It was the Jewish adoption agency on Beacon Hill. 254 00:22:56,333 --> 00:23:00,000 Yeah. I must have been 14. 255 00:23:01,541 --> 00:23:04,041 The woman of the house straightened my hair. 256 00:23:04,291 --> 00:23:07,416 She wanted me to be a WASP basically. 257 00:23:10,250 --> 00:23:16,500 I remember when I first went there, I projectile vomited all over my room. 258 00:23:16,958 --> 00:23:19,208 I must have been terrified. 259 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,083 I didn't remember that till now. 260 00:23:29,333 --> 00:23:33,541 I landed in a hippie free school that couldn't throw me out. 261 00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:39,208 Satya school saved my life. 262 00:23:42,583 --> 00:23:49,125 I was shy beyond social phobia, like crippling shyness. 263 00:23:51,583 --> 00:23:54,791 There were like six months that I didn't speak at all. 264 00:23:55,833 --> 00:23:59,916 I think my sister's suicide had silenced me. 265 00:24:03,041 --> 00:24:05,291 Until I met David. 266 00:24:07,083 --> 00:24:10,291 He said I was still speaking in a whisper. 267 00:24:12,958 --> 00:24:15,500 I was 15. He was 14. 268 00:24:21,708 --> 00:24:24,208 He was a vision to me. 269 00:24:36,791 --> 00:24:39,916 We met each other, both stealing steaks. 270 00:24:42,125 --> 00:24:43,625 We were shoplifting. 271 00:24:43,875 --> 00:24:47,541 Both of us converged in the steak department. 272 00:24:47,791 --> 00:24:49,500 - Are you serious? - Yes. 273 00:24:49,875 --> 00:24:53,916 Oh, I was a great shoplifter, pretty much all my life. 274 00:24:54,333 --> 00:24:59,750 I'm not sure how good I am anymore, but that's how we became friends. 275 00:25:02,416 --> 00:25:08,041 David was a great wit, very ironic, very precise. 276 00:25:08,916 --> 00:25:12,250 And that was the coin of the realm. 277 00:25:12,791 --> 00:25:16,666 He taught me to use humor as a survival mechanism. 278 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,875 He had this elegance and he was very androgynous, 279 00:25:23,125 --> 00:25:26,208 which was something I was really attracted to. 280 00:25:30,083 --> 00:25:33,500 And one night, we hitchhiked to my brother's dorm, 281 00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:35,625 'cause I was between homes, 282 00:25:35,875 --> 00:25:39,250 and he laid down on the bed and I laid down next to him. 283 00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:42,791 And he got up and laid down on the floor. 284 00:25:44,916 --> 00:25:47,166 And I said, "Are you gay?" 285 00:25:48,458 --> 00:25:50,375 And a light came on for him. 286 00:25:54,375 --> 00:25:58,458 He always said that it was the first time somebody recognized him. 287 00:26:02,708 --> 00:26:04,916 Then he named me Nan. 288 00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:07,833 So I brought him out and he named me Nan. 289 00:26:10,541 --> 00:26:12,916 So we liberated each other. 290 00:26:17,458 --> 00:26:20,791 David was the eye of my storm. 291 00:26:23,083 --> 00:26:29,291 David and Tommy in a sandpit. That's one of my first photographs. 292 00:26:37,041 --> 00:26:40,083 We all got cameras from Polaroid. 293 00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:44,875 I attached to it more than anybody else at the school. 294 00:26:46,875 --> 00:26:50,291 It was the only language I spoke at the time. 295 00:26:52,958 --> 00:26:57,958 Suddenly I had, you know, a personality, and it gave me a voice. 296 00:27:02,875 --> 00:27:06,458 Photography was always a way to walk through fear. 297 00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:09,875 Taking a picture is kind of protective. 298 00:27:12,875 --> 00:27:15,666 It gave me a reason to be there. 299 00:27:39,291 --> 00:27:44,125 David was living with this most beautiful queen in Cambridge. 300 00:27:45,416 --> 00:27:48,708 Very quickly, I moved in with them. 301 00:27:48,958 --> 00:27:51,083 ♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪ 302 00:27:54,541 --> 00:27:56,000 ♪ Oh, baby ♪ 303 00:27:56,291 --> 00:27:59,750 We went to Goodwill pretty much every day. 304 00:28:00,625 --> 00:28:03,458 All the rich women were giving their clothes to Goodwill, 305 00:28:03,708 --> 00:28:06,458 and they were exquisite clothes. 306 00:28:06,666 --> 00:28:08,333 ♪ I love you ♪ 307 00:28:08,625 --> 00:28:11,083 Like Fortuny gowns. 308 00:28:12,708 --> 00:28:14,458 ♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪ 309 00:28:18,666 --> 00:28:21,416 And we went to The Other Side every night. 310 00:28:21,666 --> 00:28:24,583 Right away, I felt at home there. 311 00:28:27,708 --> 00:28:31,166 I remember being really excited to take pictures at that time. 312 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:41,500 It was like a flash of euphoria. I know when a picture works. 313 00:28:43,708 --> 00:28:45,291 I get a rush. 314 00:28:49,208 --> 00:28:54,541 I would have the film developed in a pharmacy, and each of them would make 315 00:28:54,791 --> 00:28:59,625 a pile of the pictures of themselves and compete to see who had the biggest pile. 316 00:28:59,875 --> 00:29:03,291 If they didn't like one of the pictures, they tore them up, 317 00:29:03,541 --> 00:29:06,000 and that was okay with me. 318 00:29:07,208 --> 00:29:12,875 I've always wanted the people in the pictures to be proud of being in the work. 319 00:29:15,666 --> 00:29:19,125 People have said, "Oh I didn't know I was that beautiful." 320 00:29:19,416 --> 00:29:22,958 Which is, you know, what I want them to feel. 321 00:29:27,916 --> 00:29:33,041 My roommates, they were running away from America, 322 00:29:33,916 --> 00:29:37,333 and they found each other. 323 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:45,708 They didn't think, "We're pioneers. We're rebels." They just were. 324 00:29:46,875 --> 00:29:49,791 It was about living out what they needed to live out 325 00:29:50,041 --> 00:29:54,000 in spite of the reaction from the outside world. 326 00:29:57,791 --> 00:30:01,333 ♪ There's always those who spoil our games by finding fault and calling names ♪ 327 00:30:02,041 --> 00:30:05,666 ♪ Always accusing ♪ 328 00:30:06,291 --> 00:30:08,625 ♪ We love each other but it seems ♪ 329 00:30:08,916 --> 00:30:12,541 ♪ The love lives only in my dreams ♪ 330 00:30:12,833 --> 00:30:15,958 ♪ It's so one-sided ♪ 331 00:30:16,666 --> 00:30:19,083 ♪ But in this life, I must confess ♪ 332 00:30:19,375 --> 00:30:22,000 ♪ The search for love and happiness ♪ 333 00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:26,541 ♪ Is unrequited ♪ 334 00:30:26,833 --> 00:30:29,166 ♪ I ask myself what have I got ♪ 335 00:30:29,458 --> 00:30:32,375 ♪ And what I am and what I'm not ♪ 336 00:30:33,125 --> 00:30:37,041 ♪ What have I given? ♪ 337 00:30:37,333 --> 00:30:39,916 ♪ Then answers come from those who make ♪ 338 00:30:40,208 --> 00:30:42,625 ♪ The rules that some of us must break ♪ 339 00:30:43,583 --> 00:30:47,416 ♪ Just to keep living ♪ 340 00:30:47,916 --> 00:30:50,416 ♪ I know my life is not a crime ♪ 341 00:30:50,708 --> 00:30:53,791 ♪ I'm just a victim of my time ♪ 342 00:30:54,083 --> 00:30:57,875 ♪ I stand defenseless ♪ 343 00:30:58,541 --> 00:31:00,791 ♪ Nobody has the right to be ♪ 344 00:31:01,083 --> 00:31:03,583 ♪ The judge of what is right for me ♪ 345 00:31:03,875 --> 00:31:05,000 ♪ Tell me if you can ♪ 346 00:31:05,291 --> 00:31:12,041 ♪ What makes a man a man ♪ 347 00:31:13,916 --> 00:31:15,291 While I was living with the queens, 348 00:31:15,541 --> 00:31:18,958 I started going to art school for photography. 349 00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:23,583 Said I wanted the queens to be on the cover of Vogue. 350 00:31:24,375 --> 00:31:27,541 But in those days, that was so far. 351 00:31:34,583 --> 00:31:37,791 It was a time that was really scary for them. 352 00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:42,750 You could get arrested walking down the street in Boston. 353 00:31:43,791 --> 00:31:48,250 My roommates stayed home basically, and they went out at night. 354 00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:53,708 And... survival was an art. 355 00:32:02,375 --> 00:32:06,375 David and I started going to Provincetown in '75. 356 00:32:07,291 --> 00:32:10,875 It was the gay mecca. 357 00:32:12,250 --> 00:32:14,666 I worked in a Portuguese hot dog stand. 358 00:32:14,916 --> 00:32:20,958 And then later, I got a job as a bartender at the Pied Piper, the lesbian bar. 359 00:32:23,375 --> 00:32:27,083 I was living in this separatist lesbian community. 360 00:32:29,458 --> 00:32:34,208 You know, it was sort of like flannel shirts and tea. 361 00:32:34,458 --> 00:32:38,541 And I'd come from taffeta gowns and Quaaludes. 362 00:32:38,791 --> 00:32:40,833 And so I was kind of the oddball 363 00:32:40,958 --> 00:32:44,083 'cause I would wear pearls and lipstick to the beach. 364 00:32:47,375 --> 00:32:52,208 I fell in love with this beautiful woman. We were lovers, briefly. 365 00:32:53,166 --> 00:32:55,458 She had lots of other lovers. 366 00:32:58,416 --> 00:33:00,500 I was obsessed with her. 367 00:33:02,375 --> 00:33:05,208 So I photographed her constantly. 368 00:33:06,750 --> 00:33:09,958 I have often used photography as a sublimation for sex. 369 00:33:10,666 --> 00:33:13,083 It's generally better than sex. 370 00:33:16,791 --> 00:33:18,666 I had a button machine. 371 00:33:18,916 --> 00:33:21,166 You know, you take a picture and put it on a button. 372 00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:23,416 - You had a button machine? - Yeah... 373 00:33:23,666 --> 00:33:26,458 That was my way of making a living. 374 00:33:26,958 --> 00:33:31,791 Walking up and down Commercial Street in my high heels with my button machine, 375 00:33:32,291 --> 00:33:36,291 and Cookie and Sharon and Divine and John Waters 376 00:33:36,541 --> 00:33:39,250 came by and had buttons made. 377 00:33:40,833 --> 00:33:47,000 I knew Cookie from John Waters' films, and I already idolized her. 378 00:33:49,833 --> 00:33:51,833 ♪ I got a lot of problems ♪ 379 00:33:54,291 --> 00:33:56,666 ♪ Female trouble ♪ 380 00:33:59,375 --> 00:34:01,958 ♪ Maybe I'm twisted ♪ 381 00:34:02,875 --> 00:34:05,291 I'd like to set fire to this dump. 382 00:34:05,541 --> 00:34:08,208 Just cause we're pretty everybody's jealous. 383 00:34:08,458 --> 00:34:11,958 It's like a prison here, even at Christmas it's like a prison. 384 00:34:17,541 --> 00:34:21,166 ♪ Sunday morning ♪ 385 00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:25,625 ♪ Brings the dawning ♪ 386 00:34:26,583 --> 00:34:29,708 Cookie was all about finding what was funny in life. 387 00:34:31,541 --> 00:34:34,333 ♪ By my side ♪ 388 00:34:34,625 --> 00:34:38,208 Cookie and Sharon were together for many years. 389 00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:46,375 Sharon was working at a pizza place, and Cookie came by one night 390 00:34:46,625 --> 00:34:49,083 with her bicycle and her son, Max. 391 00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:55,666 And he had long hair with gum and popsicle sticks and leaves in it. 392 00:34:57,625 --> 00:35:00,750 And Cookie had on these little Springolator pumps, 393 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,916 but they were held together with safety pins. 394 00:35:06,666 --> 00:35:11,416 And Sharon thought, "I'm gonna take care of these people." 395 00:35:12,416 --> 00:35:15,791 ♪ Sunday morning ♪ 396 00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:20,291 And then Cookie said to her, "I believe in timing." 397 00:35:21,541 --> 00:35:23,833 ♪ I've got a feeling ♪ 398 00:35:24,083 --> 00:35:30,250 Cookie took Sharon home with her through a swamp with big pussy willows. 399 00:35:32,125 --> 00:35:35,791 And that was the beginning of Cookie and Sharon. 400 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:42,541 It was a time of freedom and possibility. 401 00:35:43,666 --> 00:35:46,708 That's when I did my first slideshows. 402 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,041 You ready? Does everyone have their chant? 403 00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:02,750 That's bullshit, get off it, they made addicts just for profit. 404 00:36:03,125 --> 00:36:05,750 We were flying last night! 405 00:36:09,791 --> 00:36:12,291 We were ready to do another New York action 406 00:36:12,541 --> 00:36:15,166 and the Met and the Guggenheim to us are like 407 00:36:15,416 --> 00:36:17,541 two of the most important museums. 408 00:36:18,041 --> 00:36:22,958 And we knew that the Guggenheim had the Sackler Education Center. 409 00:36:23,333 --> 00:36:26,291 So they were like a big target for us. 410 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:31,000 An important part of the museums we choose is 411 00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:34,250 Nan is typically in the permanent collection. 412 00:36:34,666 --> 00:36:38,875 It's much stronger when the message is coming from inside the house. 413 00:36:39,291 --> 00:36:41,750 I'm not worried. What if they recognize me? 414 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,625 By the time we did the Guggenheim, our name was out there. 415 00:36:45,875 --> 00:36:48,833 Other museums were alerted that we might be coming. 416 00:36:49,083 --> 00:36:53,083 I'm supposed to wear it so that no one knows who I am. 417 00:36:53,583 --> 00:36:58,708 - That's not drawing attention. - Very subtle disguise. 418 00:36:58,958 --> 00:37:03,750 It calls a little attention, doesn't it? It's kind of horrible. 419 00:37:04,125 --> 00:37:09,750 The attorney general in Massachusetts had just released internal emails 420 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,625 and documents of the Sacklers, which were vast, and had really damning quotes. 421 00:37:17,083 --> 00:37:21,625 One of them was the quote from Richard Sackler, saying that 422 00:37:21,875 --> 00:37:24,416 upon the launch of OxyContin in 1996, 423 00:37:24,666 --> 00:37:30,291 that OxyContin would cover the country in a "blizzard of prescriptions." 424 00:37:30,708 --> 00:37:34,916 I was like, "What if we made a bunch of prescriptions 425 00:37:35,291 --> 00:37:37,041 "and throw that back in their faces?" 426 00:37:41,208 --> 00:37:44,041 We're trying to align the banners with 427 00:37:44,291 --> 00:37:46,125 the fountain right at the bottom of the spiral? 428 00:37:46,375 --> 00:37:47,333 - Yes. - Okay. 429 00:37:47,708 --> 00:37:51,083 - Okay, "Shame on Sacklers," right? - Yeah. 430 00:37:51,291 --> 00:37:54,125 The goal is to get the names off the walls. 431 00:37:54,375 --> 00:37:56,250 As long as the names are there, 432 00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:59,875 they still maintain their hold on their reputation. 433 00:38:00,541 --> 00:38:02,500 They're still whitewashing their reputation. 434 00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:04,708 The museums are still complicit in that. 435 00:38:10,041 --> 00:38:12,458 The energy was definitely right. 436 00:38:12,833 --> 00:38:15,916 The whole museum was already buzzing when we went in. 437 00:38:16,166 --> 00:38:17,583 It was a packed Saturday night. 438 00:38:20,208 --> 00:38:23,333 - Nan, are you ready? - No, where is everyone? 439 00:38:25,291 --> 00:38:27,125 We had a Signal thread, but it was really like, 440 00:38:27,375 --> 00:38:31,708 "Go at this time. If you see prescriptions falling, it's starting." 441 00:38:31,958 --> 00:38:33,416 - Are we ready? - Yeah. 442 00:38:49,208 --> 00:38:53,291 I was at the bottom looking up, and I checked out for a minute 443 00:38:53,583 --> 00:38:55,583 because I was looking up at the prescription slips 444 00:38:55,833 --> 00:39:00,166 and just like in awe of the visual that it created. 445 00:39:05,541 --> 00:39:09,916 Say it loud, say it clear, Sackler name not welcome here! 446 00:39:10,166 --> 00:39:15,125 Say it loud, say it clear, Sackler name does not come here! 447 00:39:15,791 --> 00:39:20,708 Say it loud, say it clear, OxyContin got them here! 448 00:39:22,208 --> 00:39:24,625 I was holding one of the banners. 449 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,208 We looked like we're hundreds and hundreds of activists. 450 00:39:27,458 --> 00:39:29,708 Right? We were not hundreds and hundreds. 451 00:39:30,833 --> 00:39:34,791 People are shouting with us. They're agreeing with us. 452 00:39:39,416 --> 00:39:40,958 - No longer! - No longer! 453 00:39:41,166 --> 00:39:45,208 - The Sackler family must go! - The Sackler family must go! 454 00:39:45,541 --> 00:39:49,375 - The Sackler family must pay! - The Sackler family must pay! 455 00:39:49,666 --> 00:39:52,208 - People die! - Sacklers lie! 456 00:39:52,375 --> 00:39:54,750 - People die! - Sacklers lie! 457 00:40:09,666 --> 00:40:14,166 Say it loud, say it clear, Sacklers are not welcome here! 458 00:40:14,458 --> 00:40:19,333 Say it loud, say it clear, Sacklers are not welcome here! 459 00:40:20,708 --> 00:40:25,250 We have journeyed from the Guggenheim down to the Met 460 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,916 to send a message, a message of life and death. 461 00:40:30,958 --> 00:40:36,583 My son was prescribed OxyContin for a knee surgery in high school. 462 00:40:36,833 --> 00:40:40,958 The doctors told him: "Take the pills every four hours. 463 00:40:41,416 --> 00:40:45,083 "Take them before the pain starts. Take them on schedule." 464 00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:50,208 When my son talked of his pain, I said, "Did you take your pill?" 465 00:40:50,958 --> 00:40:54,416 I became an accomplice to my son's demise. 466 00:40:55,208 --> 00:40:57,541 - That's not right. - That ain't right! 467 00:40:57,791 --> 00:41:01,875 My son became addicted to OxyContin. It progressed to heroin. 468 00:41:01,875 --> 00:41:05,000 It took 11 years. But it fucking killed him! 469 00:41:05,250 --> 00:41:09,583 It killed him. It took his life. He died alone in a bathroom. 470 00:41:09,833 --> 00:41:12,541 I don't expect the Sacklers to care about my son. 471 00:41:12,791 --> 00:41:13,625 We care! 472 00:41:14,041 --> 00:41:18,958 But 400,000 lives, right? Somebody should care about that! 473 00:41:19,125 --> 00:41:20,375 Yes! 474 00:41:29,083 --> 00:41:30,666 And how did the Guggenheim respond? 475 00:41:30,916 --> 00:41:32,833 They didn't say anything. 476 00:41:33,583 --> 00:41:36,083 The museums were keeping quiet. 477 00:41:36,791 --> 00:41:41,166 The first year, it's like 25 museums were supportive of the Sacklers. 478 00:41:41,416 --> 00:41:43,750 Either said nothing or were supportive. 479 00:41:44,666 --> 00:41:47,166 They know the Sacklers are a bad look... 480 00:41:47,416 --> 00:41:49,916 - For their PR. - Right. 481 00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:54,666 But they're terrified of what will be found out about them. 482 00:41:56,958 --> 00:41:59,916 The rich people are scared that we're going to dig into 483 00:42:00,166 --> 00:42:02,458 the evil way they made money. 484 00:42:16,958 --> 00:42:20,666 ♪ Hoping you might fall into it ♪ 485 00:42:21,083 --> 00:42:23,875 ♪ Love hit me like a sudden slap ♪ 486 00:42:25,208 --> 00:42:28,625 ♪ One kiss and then I knew it ♪ 487 00:42:29,166 --> 00:42:32,875 ♪ What's this whole world comin' to ♪ 488 00:42:33,375 --> 00:42:36,583 ♪ Things just ain't the same ♪ 489 00:42:37,625 --> 00:42:40,791 ♪ Any time the hunter ♪ 490 00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:45,916 ♪ Gets captured by the game ♪ 491 00:42:48,333 --> 00:42:50,791 I moved to the Bowery in '78. 492 00:42:51,583 --> 00:42:55,416 This place that should have become a museum. 493 00:42:56,875 --> 00:43:00,541 So many people lived there, and it was one of the big addresses 494 00:43:00,791 --> 00:43:03,458 in lower New York at the time. 495 00:43:05,458 --> 00:43:08,416 It was a shithole loft because there was no light. 496 00:43:08,666 --> 00:43:11,458 It didn't have any walls for a while. 497 00:43:11,708 --> 00:43:15,333 Kind of dysfunctional, but managed to function. 498 00:43:17,625 --> 00:43:21,250 We used to fuck in the elevator. There was a lot of drugs. 499 00:43:21,583 --> 00:43:25,208 Always a lot of drugs, a lot of coke, a lot of speed. 500 00:43:25,875 --> 00:43:27,416 The Bowery was the Ballad. 501 00:43:27,666 --> 00:43:30,875 The Bowery was the Goldin headquarters. 502 00:43:31,875 --> 00:43:36,541 And that's where I was situated in the universe, was the Bowery. 503 00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:46,125 When I got to New York, this guy gave me some names of galleries. 504 00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:49,833 In those days, you went to galleries with your portfolio. 505 00:43:50,083 --> 00:43:52,166 So I called some galleries, they weren't interested. 506 00:43:52,416 --> 00:43:54,875 And then I went up to see Marvin. 507 00:43:55,125 --> 00:43:59,750 I walked in and showed these photos that no one had ever seen before. 508 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,333 Totally bad prints and torn. 509 00:44:02,791 --> 00:44:05,833 And immediately, we understood each other. 510 00:44:07,416 --> 00:44:10,833 She showed up one day with a box of pictures, 511 00:44:11,083 --> 00:44:14,166 showed up in this party dress, a polka dot party dress 512 00:44:14,416 --> 00:44:18,791 with a lot of crinolines, and kind of weird makeup and... 513 00:44:19,166 --> 00:44:24,208 walked up the very fancy stairs of this gallery and... had this box of pictures. 514 00:44:24,458 --> 00:44:28,125 And I opened up this box of pictures and about 20 of them in it and... 515 00:44:28,375 --> 00:44:30,375 I had never seen pictures like that in my life. 516 00:44:30,625 --> 00:44:33,625 These portraits and pictures of people living their lives 517 00:44:33,875 --> 00:44:37,208 that really were unlike anything anybody else was doing. 518 00:44:38,416 --> 00:44:43,708 He asked me to bring more stuff, and I brought up a crate. 519 00:44:45,583 --> 00:44:50,458 And I got the cab driver to bring me up by giving him a blow job. 520 00:44:50,708 --> 00:44:53,625 So that's how I entered the art world. 521 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,000 This was 1979. 522 00:45:10,583 --> 00:45:13,333 The first week we were there, the Mudd Club opened. 523 00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:16,458 And I met Vivienne Dick. 524 00:45:19,125 --> 00:45:21,375 Vivienne was curious about everything, 525 00:45:21,625 --> 00:45:24,500 and a lot of stuff that happened, she took me to. 526 00:45:24,791 --> 00:45:25,666 ♪ Talk, talk, talk ♪ 527 00:45:25,958 --> 00:45:27,666 ♪ Well, the walls are so thin ♪ 528 00:45:27,958 --> 00:45:32,333 I mean, there were different worlds in New York that I was moving between, 529 00:45:32,833 --> 00:45:35,125 and they didn't necessarily like each other. 530 00:45:39,208 --> 00:45:43,791 The world of Vivienne and this woman I lived with named Suzanne... 531 00:45:44,666 --> 00:45:47,708 ♪ Yours eyes are shallow and your glance is cold ♪ 532 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,458 And Greer... 533 00:45:51,041 --> 00:45:54,500 She was making her dolls all the time, working constantly. 534 00:45:54,791 --> 00:45:57,666 ♪ You can't be funky, you can't be funky ♪ 535 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,458 ♪ You can't be funky if you haven't got a soul ♪ 536 00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:05,958 And then there was the world of Bruce. 537 00:46:09,291 --> 00:46:11,166 And David. 538 00:46:12,625 --> 00:46:15,666 ♪ Well, I lock you up tighter every place that you go ♪ 539 00:46:15,958 --> 00:46:17,416 And Cookie. 540 00:46:20,791 --> 00:46:25,000 She was the center of New York downtown life. 541 00:46:27,375 --> 00:46:28,333 ♪ Fire ♪ 542 00:46:30,083 --> 00:46:31,583 ♪ I bid you to burn ♪ 543 00:46:34,625 --> 00:46:35,541 ♪ Fire ♪ 544 00:46:35,833 --> 00:46:38,625 People used to say we were marginalized. 545 00:46:39,625 --> 00:46:41,208 And we didn't care. 546 00:46:43,083 --> 00:46:45,375 Normal people were marginalized to us. 547 00:46:45,666 --> 00:46:47,583 ♪ You fought hard and you saved ♪ 548 00:46:48,416 --> 00:46:50,166 ♪ But it's all going to burn ♪ 549 00:46:50,458 --> 00:46:53,458 Cookie was in films, she was in plays. 550 00:46:54,375 --> 00:46:57,125 And then she was writing art criticism. 551 00:47:00,125 --> 00:47:04,833 Cookie used to say, "I don't know why people think I'm wild, I'm not wild, 552 00:47:05,166 --> 00:47:09,041 "wildness just appears on the road in front of me." 553 00:47:10,166 --> 00:47:13,541 You have to hear her voice. And that tells you everything. 554 00:47:14,833 --> 00:47:18,291 This kind of irony and humor. 555 00:47:19,291 --> 00:47:21,291 "'You should really wait for Charlie to come back from the store. 556 00:47:21,541 --> 00:47:22,750 "'He's the one to talk to. 557 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,125 "'He's right in there buying oranges for us.' 558 00:47:25,375 --> 00:47:27,833 "She pointed to the Haight Street Chinese fruit store, 559 00:47:28,083 --> 00:47:30,875 "but I'd had enough and thanked them and left looking for more action. 560 00:47:31,125 --> 00:47:34,500 "These girls were Susan Atkins and Squeaky Fromme and Mary Brunner and others. 561 00:47:34,666 --> 00:47:38,833 "And I missed meeting Charlie Manson by 5 minutes." 562 00:47:40,041 --> 00:47:42,958 Cookie was working as a go-go dancer. 563 00:47:44,083 --> 00:47:46,333 I was dancing in New Jersey because 564 00:47:46,583 --> 00:47:49,958 you didn't have to take your top off in New Jersey. 565 00:47:50,208 --> 00:47:52,958 New York was topless. New Jersey wasn't. 566 00:47:56,791 --> 00:47:59,416 So we'd take the bus out to Paterson, 567 00:47:59,666 --> 00:48:03,958 and go to these low life bars, and wiggle our asses, 568 00:48:04,208 --> 00:48:07,916 and then get on the bus and come back to New York. 569 00:48:08,916 --> 00:48:11,750 ♪ If you're thinking you're too cool ♪ 570 00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:14,625 I was dancing to have money to buy film. 571 00:48:17,041 --> 00:48:21,500 ♪ Boy, oh boy, have I got news for you ♪ 572 00:48:23,125 --> 00:48:26,166 Then I started in the whorehouse. 573 00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:29,083 Yeah, that got pretty ugly. 574 00:48:32,208 --> 00:48:34,791 I haven't kept many secrets in my life. 575 00:48:36,416 --> 00:48:39,125 But I never did talk about it before. 576 00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:48,291 But I think at this point in my life, I should talk about it 577 00:48:48,583 --> 00:48:51,666 because of the incredible stigma around sex work. 578 00:48:57,458 --> 00:49:02,375 Vivienne got really interested in the fact that I had worked in a house, 579 00:49:02,708 --> 00:49:06,833 and decided she wanted to make a film about it. 580 00:49:07,833 --> 00:49:09,583 It's a fiction film. 581 00:49:09,833 --> 00:49:14,916 I'm playing the madam of the house where I worked... who was a monster. 582 00:49:15,083 --> 00:49:18,166 Hi. How are you? Have you been with us before? 583 00:49:18,416 --> 00:49:20,333 She would have us on our backs all day, 584 00:49:20,583 --> 00:49:24,708 and then she'd come home from Bloomingdales, showing off her lingerie. 585 00:49:26,916 --> 00:49:30,708 I mean sex work isn't negative in itself, but it's no party. 586 00:49:30,958 --> 00:49:33,500 It's one of the hardest jobs you could have. 587 00:49:42,333 --> 00:49:45,166 And so that's how Tin Pan Alley came. 588 00:49:48,958 --> 00:49:52,416 Somebody said, "You should go meet Maggie." 589 00:49:52,666 --> 00:49:56,000 She was hiring women who had been sex workers, 590 00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:59,083 and helped people get out of it. 591 00:49:59,375 --> 00:50:04,583 She was an incredible force. She was a community organizer. 592 00:50:04,833 --> 00:50:09,583 She was a great cook. She was a radical. 593 00:50:10,750 --> 00:50:13,000 And she was a ballet dancer. 594 00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:17,166 So she hired me pretty quickly. Like immediately. 595 00:50:18,291 --> 00:50:22,208 The bar was a safe space for prostitutes and also a way 596 00:50:22,458 --> 00:50:26,291 to work their way out of prostitution if they wished to do so. 597 00:50:26,458 --> 00:50:29,958 And it was a center for those on the left, 598 00:50:30,125 --> 00:50:32,416 the squatters movement, the anarchist movement, 599 00:50:32,666 --> 00:50:33,791 the Black movement, 600 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,625 people who were interested in supporting political prisoners from the Latin left. 601 00:50:37,791 --> 00:50:41,250 And so it was really a polyglot place. 602 00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:46,041 It had hustlers, it had artists, Reuters journalists. 603 00:50:46,416 --> 00:50:52,291 It had people from NBC who were on strike. And it had the IRS. 604 00:50:53,166 --> 00:50:55,708 When the IRS would come in the afternoon to get drunk, 605 00:50:56,250 --> 00:50:59,291 they were as hard to handle as the bikers. 606 00:50:59,875 --> 00:51:03,166 But the bar was controlled by women. 607 00:51:04,083 --> 00:51:06,416 It was very important to me that we not have bouncers, 608 00:51:06,666 --> 00:51:09,791 and not depend on male strength for keeping the peace. 609 00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:13,708 And so when people behind the bar, including Nan, 610 00:51:14,125 --> 00:51:18,750 decided that it was time for someone to go, that person would go. 611 00:51:20,833 --> 00:51:23,041 - It's on the house. - Oh, thanks, Nan. 612 00:51:32,125 --> 00:51:34,625 Tin Pan was very integrated. 613 00:51:35,041 --> 00:51:39,208 The New Wave was not a very integrated scene at all. 614 00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:44,500 And also it cut across class lines, which New Wave also didn't do. 615 00:51:44,875 --> 00:51:48,041 I spent a lot of time at Tin Pan but I can't say... 616 00:51:48,208 --> 00:51:51,583 Talk about repetitive nights, you know? 617 00:51:54,125 --> 00:51:58,208 When I first started, I loved it there. The first two years... 618 00:51:59,125 --> 00:52:03,541 I listened to people. Really listened. 619 00:52:05,250 --> 00:52:07,583 And they weren't used to that. 620 00:52:09,166 --> 00:52:12,791 I was sort of the dominatrix of the bar and I got tips 621 00:52:13,041 --> 00:52:17,250 because people wanted to impress me, win me back... 622 00:52:18,416 --> 00:52:23,666 And I would work till four in the morning and then we'd go to The After Hours. 623 00:52:30,333 --> 00:52:34,833 Tin Pan Alley became a major kind of staging point 624 00:52:35,083 --> 00:52:38,750 as people were planning for the Times Square Show. 625 00:52:39,833 --> 00:52:44,208 It was multi-floor. It was collaborative. 626 00:52:44,708 --> 00:52:51,708 There was graffiti, sculpture, there were painters, lots of video work. 627 00:52:52,291 --> 00:52:53,708 There was music... 628 00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:09,458 The first floor is where most of the performances were. 629 00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:12,875 So Nan invited everyone in the bar. 630 00:53:13,125 --> 00:53:15,375 So, yes, I was anxious to see her work and... 631 00:53:15,833 --> 00:53:21,291 I was sitting on the floor and this music starts and the slides start. 632 00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:32,833 ♪ I put a spell on you ♪ 633 00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:41,625 ♪ Because you're mine ♪ 634 00:53:47,708 --> 00:53:50,083 ♪ Stop the things you do ♪ 635 00:53:55,166 --> 00:53:56,166 ♪ Watch out! ♪ 636 00:53:56,875 --> 00:53:59,375 ♪ I ain't lyin' ♪ 637 00:54:02,708 --> 00:54:05,125 ♪ Yeah ♪ 638 00:54:05,291 --> 00:54:06,583 ♪ I can't stand ♪ 639 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:07,958 ♪ Ooh! ♪ 640 00:54:08,583 --> 00:54:10,791 ♪ No running around ♪ 641 00:54:12,583 --> 00:54:14,875 ♪ I can't stand ♪ 642 00:54:17,166 --> 00:54:19,750 The work was incredibly political. 643 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,958 It was about power, 644 00:54:22,208 --> 00:54:25,958 and particularly about the power that men have over women, 645 00:54:26,208 --> 00:54:30,333 and how that power is translated up in society. 646 00:54:31,666 --> 00:54:35,791 The very first time I saw Nan's slideshow, it was extremely raucous. 647 00:54:36,041 --> 00:54:38,791 What I remember mostly is the noise, 648 00:54:38,958 --> 00:54:41,916 not just of the music or of the equipment, 649 00:54:42,166 --> 00:54:47,125 but of people talking to the screen... Commenting. 650 00:54:48,458 --> 00:54:51,166 At the beginning, the audience would be made up 651 00:54:51,416 --> 00:54:53,750 exclusively of the people in the show, 652 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,583 so they would scream at me if they didn't like something, 653 00:54:56,833 --> 00:54:59,333 and scream if they loved something. 654 00:54:59,583 --> 00:55:03,250 So I edited according to that to some extent. 655 00:55:05,250 --> 00:55:09,166 Then I had those pictures of my friend having sex with her boyfriend 656 00:55:09,416 --> 00:55:12,333 and she demanded I take them out at some point. 657 00:55:12,583 --> 00:55:16,250 And so that's when I started photographing myself having sex. 658 00:55:16,541 --> 00:55:21,333 I figured if I was showing her having sex, I had to show myself having sex. 659 00:55:25,666 --> 00:55:28,208 ♪ Double shot of my baby's love ♪ 660 00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:30,791 I was doing it at underground clubs and 661 00:55:31,041 --> 00:55:34,291 my boyfriend at the time was spinning records. 662 00:55:36,416 --> 00:55:38,583 So that's when the music started. 663 00:55:38,833 --> 00:55:40,791 I would start with songs that I knew and then 664 00:55:41,083 --> 00:55:43,916 people would send me music, literally. 665 00:55:44,166 --> 00:55:46,833 But I changed them every single time. 666 00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:52,541 It was fun, it was really fun. People would be dancing. 667 00:55:52,875 --> 00:55:55,333 You know, it was fabulous. 668 00:55:59,041 --> 00:56:01,375 ♪ Scream it out and say yo, hit it! ♪ 669 00:56:02,166 --> 00:56:03,333 ♪ Ya don't stop ♪ 670 00:56:03,666 --> 00:56:08,208 I was always late for everything. I didn't sleep. 671 00:56:08,458 --> 00:56:11,000 I mean, I was up all night editing. 672 00:56:14,833 --> 00:56:16,750 You never saw the same thing twice. 673 00:56:17,041 --> 00:56:19,166 She changed the music, she changed the slides, 674 00:56:19,375 --> 00:56:21,166 she changed the order of them. 675 00:56:21,166 --> 00:56:27,000 Sometimes her own changed feelings changed the meanings of them 676 00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:31,250 because her photographs don't hold just one meaning. 677 00:56:31,875 --> 00:56:37,125 You know, a lot is going on in a Nan Goldin photograph. 678 00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:44,125 And I guess that's what made people think it was so cinematic 679 00:56:44,375 --> 00:56:46,958 because to most people, they seem like characters, 680 00:56:47,208 --> 00:56:51,000 whereas to the people being photographed, they seem like themselves. 681 00:56:53,083 --> 00:56:55,750 She photographs from our side. 682 00:56:58,833 --> 00:57:01,916 The mid-80s was when I was closest to Cookie. 683 00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:10,083 She wasn't doing very well so this friend of hers told her to spin a globe 684 00:57:10,541 --> 00:57:13,875 and wherever she put her finger, to go there. 685 00:57:14,416 --> 00:57:18,666 So she went to Italy and she met Vittorio. 686 00:57:21,666 --> 00:57:24,208 It was the greatest love of her life. 687 00:57:27,166 --> 00:57:31,875 It was a huge wedding. Everyone in lower New York was there. 688 00:57:32,291 --> 00:57:37,583 Rene Ricard, Greer, David Armstrong, 689 00:57:39,041 --> 00:57:42,916 Francesco Clemente, Teri Toye... 690 00:57:44,291 --> 00:57:46,250 Peter Hujar was there. 691 00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:50,375 And we were standing next to each other taking pictures. 692 00:57:51,666 --> 00:57:54,041 It was a beautiful wedding, 693 00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:58,208 and a wild party. 694 00:57:59,708 --> 00:58:00,833 Yeah. 695 00:58:07,208 --> 00:58:10,833 ♪ He charges forth while others are debatin' ♪ 696 00:58:11,125 --> 00:58:14,750 ♪ Conniving, cocky knave with all the trimmin' ♪ 697 00:58:15,041 --> 00:58:18,166 ♪ I know one thing can trim him down ♪ 698 00:58:18,875 --> 00:58:20,166 ♪ Women ♪ 699 00:58:20,708 --> 00:58:25,083 ♪ In women he meets deep authority ♪ 700 00:58:25,333 --> 00:58:32,333 ♪ On them he feels his old dependency ♪ 701 00:58:35,416 --> 00:58:40,125 Once I started sharing the work, I got a lot of shit. 702 00:58:41,833 --> 00:58:47,083 "There's no such thing as a good woman artist," was said to me in the mid-80s. 703 00:58:48,083 --> 00:58:50,833 It was really heavy resistance... 704 00:58:51,666 --> 00:58:55,708 especially from male artists and gallerists who said, 705 00:58:56,041 --> 00:59:01,458 "This isn't photography. Nobody photographs their own life." 706 00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:06,250 It was still a kind of outlier act. 707 00:59:06,625 --> 00:59:11,625 It was basically a time of black and white, vertical photographs. 708 00:59:13,458 --> 00:59:18,500 So it's hard to understand that that could have ever been radical. 709 00:59:23,291 --> 00:59:27,958 I thought the art world was bullshit and that Times Square was real life. 710 00:59:28,958 --> 00:59:30,916 That's where I met Brian. 711 00:59:33,666 --> 00:59:40,458 Our first date, we went to see The Clash right around the corner from the bar. 712 00:59:40,958 --> 00:59:44,000 And then we went up to Harlem and copped. 713 00:59:45,958 --> 00:59:51,625 And then he just stayed. And he stayed from '81 to '84. 714 00:59:56,083 --> 00:59:59,416 He was beautiful at the time, and I fell in love with him. 715 01:00:01,958 --> 01:00:03,875 He was very tender. 716 01:00:05,208 --> 01:00:07,583 You can see it in Brian's eyes. 717 01:00:13,458 --> 01:00:18,875 We had very good sex, and that can keep people together for a long time. 718 01:00:23,291 --> 01:00:25,916 And then we started fighting a lot. 719 01:00:27,333 --> 01:00:29,583 And I was good at fighting. 720 01:00:34,625 --> 01:00:37,541 He wanted to break up and I didn't want him to. 721 01:00:37,791 --> 01:00:41,875 And then we went through that a lot, trying to break up. 722 01:00:43,125 --> 01:00:46,125 And then when I went to Berlin, we'd broken up. 723 01:00:46,375 --> 01:00:51,458 And then he came to Berlin and... And that story. 724 01:00:55,041 --> 01:01:01,291 I did a slideshow at some loft, and we went to a bar, 725 01:01:02,791 --> 01:01:08,458 and then he realized I'd been with this girl, and he became jealous. 726 01:01:09,125 --> 01:01:11,500 And that's what set it off. 727 01:01:14,833 --> 01:01:18,125 We were so intertwined, we didn't know how to break up. 728 01:01:19,375 --> 01:01:22,875 So this was his way of breaking up. 729 01:01:25,625 --> 01:01:31,708 He punched me in the face repeatedly, like boom, boom, boom. 730 01:01:31,958 --> 01:01:34,500 And he went after my eyes. 731 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,083 I was bleeding and there was this girl, Sylvie, from Paris. 732 01:01:39,416 --> 01:01:44,416 Sylvie came in and dragged me out. She saved my life. 733 01:01:47,458 --> 01:01:52,791 He trashed the room and he wrote in lipstick all over the room: 734 01:01:53,041 --> 01:01:55,166 "Bitch," "Cunt"... 735 01:01:56,041 --> 01:01:57,833 He burned my diaries. 736 01:01:59,416 --> 01:02:03,625 The greatest luck of my life is that I left the slideshow 737 01:02:03,875 --> 01:02:07,166 at the loft where I'd shown it because... 738 01:02:07,333 --> 01:02:10,291 - He would have destroyed it. - He would have destroyed it. 739 01:02:10,541 --> 01:02:11,833 Yeah. 740 01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:22,500 All the bones in the orbital floor of my eye were broken. 741 01:02:23,708 --> 01:02:25,666 - And... - To go for your eyes. 742 01:02:25,791 --> 01:02:28,291 Maggie said he wanted to blind me. 743 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,791 My pictures of myself battered were what kept me from going back. 744 01:02:43,125 --> 01:02:46,208 Women who've been battered have come to me and told me 745 01:02:46,458 --> 01:02:50,208 that they were able to talk about it because of those pictures. 746 01:02:54,333 --> 01:02:58,541 The struggle between autonomy and dependency is 747 01:02:58,791 --> 01:03:01,791 the core of "The Ballad of Sexual Dependency." 748 01:03:07,583 --> 01:03:11,958 My father tried to get it stopped from being published. 749 01:03:13,833 --> 01:03:19,541 The pictures were one thing, but they were so afraid of the text... 750 01:03:19,916 --> 01:03:23,791 'cause he said that I was trying to prove that they killed my sister. 751 01:03:24,708 --> 01:03:26,583 That's how he put it. 752 01:03:28,750 --> 01:03:31,375 Brian was trying to get it stopped. 753 01:03:32,416 --> 01:03:36,875 It makes it even more radical: all these men trying to stop it. 754 01:03:41,416 --> 01:03:45,583 When I got back to New York, I went to Tin Pan. 755 01:03:45,958 --> 01:03:48,875 I was terrified because there were all those men, 756 01:03:49,125 --> 01:03:52,000 and I couldn't be in a crowd with men. 757 01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:57,958 Maggie thought I was shooting dope and I wasn't, but I was snorting it. 758 01:03:59,541 --> 01:04:02,291 And I remembered when I quit Tin Pan, I thought, 759 01:04:02,541 --> 01:04:07,625 "Oh, now I'm going to get really strung out because there's nothing to stop me." 760 01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:11,041 And I did. 761 01:04:18,958 --> 01:04:21,250 It's a little scary around here. 762 01:04:22,375 --> 01:04:26,458 A New York Post reporter called me cold without being introduced. 763 01:04:26,708 --> 01:04:30,333 He called me on my cell phone. He said he got it on the internet. 764 01:04:30,583 --> 01:04:32,208 We have to really have the facts 765 01:04:32,458 --> 01:04:34,541 if we're going to go up against this family. 766 01:04:34,791 --> 01:04:36,833 They could sue us, right? 767 01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:43,000 After a few of our actions, Purdue Pharma started taking out full page ads 768 01:04:43,250 --> 01:04:48,416 in The New York Times, saying, "Of course we care about the opioid crisis. 769 01:04:48,416 --> 01:04:51,166 "We're in the market of opioids." 770 01:04:52,541 --> 01:04:56,166 People are still accepting Sackler donations. 771 01:04:57,708 --> 01:05:00,000 What's happening with the National Portrait Gallery? 772 01:05:00,250 --> 01:05:04,166 I don't know what's going on with my work being in the show or not. 773 01:05:04,416 --> 01:05:06,208 What do people think? 774 01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:11,833 It would be a serious blow if Nan Goldin refuses to show her work there 775 01:05:12,083 --> 01:05:14,625 - because of Sackler money. - So... 776 01:05:14,833 --> 01:05:18,041 Nan was set to have a retrospective 777 01:05:18,458 --> 01:05:21,416 at the National Portrait Gallery in the UK, 778 01:05:21,666 --> 01:05:28,583 but they're in the middle of accepting a $1.3 million grant from the Sacklers. 779 01:05:29,166 --> 01:05:33,375 So Nan told them that she would not do her retrospective with them 780 01:05:33,625 --> 01:05:35,125 if they were to accept it. 781 01:05:43,250 --> 01:05:44,791 Unbelievable! 782 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,083 Oh man, it's working, right? It's working. 783 01:05:49,333 --> 01:05:51,125 I can't believe it! 784 01:05:51,375 --> 01:05:54,416 When the National Portrait Gallery refused the donation from the Sacklers, 785 01:05:54,666 --> 01:05:56,083 I thought this is a watershed moment. 786 01:05:56,250 --> 01:06:00,041 This is an incredible rush to think that 787 01:06:00,291 --> 01:06:04,416 people are actually beginning to rethink how we do things. 788 01:06:06,666 --> 01:06:09,291 Let's go over what happened in one week. 789 01:06:09,541 --> 01:06:13,666 I think it doesn't happen to activist groups very often. 790 01:06:13,666 --> 01:06:19,750 On Tuesday, the National Portrait Gallery was the first to refuse money. 791 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,375 Yeah! 792 01:06:21,875 --> 01:06:24,041 On Thursday, the Tate crumbled. 793 01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:29,000 On Friday, surprisingly, the Guggenheim. 794 01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:32,125 - Yeah... - And that was shocking. 795 01:06:33,666 --> 01:06:39,375 Okay, and then those dirty deep bottom feeders, the hedge fund, 796 01:06:39,625 --> 01:06:43,791 refusing to take the Sackler money, which is unprecedented. 797 01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:50,791 The domino effect was huge. 798 01:06:51,041 --> 01:06:55,208 The fact that this is happening by all these major museums 799 01:06:55,458 --> 01:06:58,250 and also Nan has her hand in every single one, 800 01:06:58,541 --> 01:07:03,083 including the Tate, is major, and then the Met followed. 801 01:07:03,375 --> 01:07:06,041 But it was not good enough for us. 802 01:07:06,333 --> 01:07:10,375 We had a very clear demand: no longer accept Sackler money. 803 01:07:10,625 --> 01:07:13,458 Then the next part obviously is take down the name. 804 01:07:19,833 --> 01:07:24,083 Subsequently, we then saw this WhatsApp log 805 01:07:24,333 --> 01:07:27,791 that came out from the Mortimer Sackler family members, 806 01:07:28,041 --> 01:07:31,375 and you actually see them start to talk about Nan Goldin. 807 01:07:31,625 --> 01:07:37,125 They talk about it solely as a matter of public relations management. 808 01:07:37,375 --> 01:07:42,125 You don't have a single person who says, "Well, wait a second, 809 01:07:42,375 --> 01:07:44,250 "maybe there's some substance to this critique. 810 01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:49,000 "We should look hard at what we've done. Is there some way we can make amends? 811 01:07:49,250 --> 01:07:51,166 "Are there questions we should be asking?" 812 01:07:51,333 --> 01:07:57,041 Instead, it's just entirely, "How do we manage this PR problem?" 813 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,833 When did you know you were being followed? 814 01:08:08,458 --> 01:08:14,625 I was leaving Nan's by myself on a Friday night. 815 01:08:15,541 --> 01:08:16,750 And... 816 01:08:18,833 --> 01:08:20,500 I noticed a car. 817 01:08:21,750 --> 01:08:27,416 I noticed that the person sitting in it is obscuring his face. 818 01:08:27,791 --> 01:08:34,250 And the second I'm directly across from him, he kind of looks at me. 819 01:08:37,375 --> 01:08:42,750 The next week, as I'm crossing my direct street, 820 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,333 up to the stop sign, pulls this car. 821 01:08:48,125 --> 01:08:51,583 And I looked at him. 822 01:08:53,250 --> 01:08:55,791 And I just kept walking. 823 01:08:56,041 --> 01:08:59,541 I walked for like 15 feet or so, and when I looked back, 824 01:08:59,791 --> 01:09:02,333 he was just taking my photo from his car. 825 01:09:05,416 --> 01:09:10,958 And like I'm just having a memory of that moment because it's like... 826 01:09:11,208 --> 01:09:12,083 There is no... 827 01:09:12,291 --> 01:09:15,583 I don't think I've experienced a greater fear than that moment 828 01:09:15,833 --> 01:09:18,250 'cause I don't know who the fuck this guy is. 829 01:09:19,708 --> 01:09:22,791 But I know it's the same guy from the week before. 830 01:09:26,166 --> 01:09:29,166 So I think I even yelled at him, but I don't even know if he knew. 831 01:09:29,416 --> 01:09:33,750 He peeled out, and I was terrified. 832 01:09:34,833 --> 01:09:38,500 And then, imagine my shock 833 01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:42,291 when the next week, exactly a week later, 834 01:09:42,541 --> 01:09:45,291 this guy is outside of Nan's. 835 01:09:52,708 --> 01:09:55,708 We just walked out of Nan's house. 836 01:09:55,958 --> 01:09:58,875 The same car is in front of the house again. 837 01:10:07,458 --> 01:10:09,791 And the guy is... 838 01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:16,083 right there... watching me film him right now. 839 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,125 He's pulling out right now. 840 01:10:26,625 --> 01:10:30,833 I went out with my wife and two children. I have two small boys. 841 01:10:31,083 --> 01:10:34,375 We walked out one day to run an errand, and we're getting into the car, 842 01:10:34,625 --> 01:10:37,333 and a neighbor came over and she said, 843 01:10:37,583 --> 01:10:41,250 "Hey, I don't want to freak you out, but just up there, 844 01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:43,875 "there's a guy who's parked across the street from my house 845 01:10:44,125 --> 01:10:46,375 "in an SUV, and he's been there all day, 846 01:10:46,625 --> 01:10:48,666 "and I think he's watching your house." 847 01:10:48,875 --> 01:10:50,083 So the first thing I thought, of course, 848 01:10:50,291 --> 01:10:52,333 was that I knew that Nan had had this experience 849 01:10:52,541 --> 01:10:54,750 and Megan had had this experience. 850 01:10:57,250 --> 01:11:02,166 And so it felt of a piece in terms of the M.O. 851 01:11:04,125 --> 01:11:09,125 When I was fact-checking my book, I asked Purdue if they knew anything about 852 01:11:09,458 --> 01:11:13,291 these people who've been following Nan, and Megan and me and... 853 01:11:13,541 --> 01:11:16,291 Purdue came back and said, 854 01:11:16,541 --> 01:11:18,583 "Absolutely not. Of course, we would never do such a thing. 855 01:11:18,833 --> 01:11:22,500 "That's outrageous." Really strenuously denying it and... 856 01:11:22,750 --> 01:11:26,833 in my queries to the Sacklers, I asked the same thing and... 857 01:11:27,083 --> 01:11:30,833 There were some of the things I asked about that they came back and denied. 858 01:11:31,083 --> 01:11:33,041 And this was not one of them. 859 01:11:42,833 --> 01:11:45,291 Bob is one of our board members. 860 01:11:47,041 --> 01:11:50,208 - Hi, how are you? - Now, admittedly... 861 01:11:50,458 --> 01:11:52,000 It's a little crazy here. 862 01:11:54,375 --> 01:11:59,041 So has anybody had a Narcan kit before or have been through a Narcan training? 863 01:11:59,291 --> 01:12:01,666 Yeah, I got a kit a couple of weeks ago. 864 01:12:01,916 --> 01:12:04,666 I have a kit in my house, but I haven't been trained. 865 01:12:05,166 --> 01:12:08,083 So I'm just going to go over a couple of the essentials, 866 01:12:08,291 --> 01:12:11,500 signs and symptoms of an opiate overdose, and how to use Narcan 867 01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:13,666 to reverse an opiate overdose, okay? 868 01:12:14,416 --> 01:12:17,958 So if you see somebody who you think could be experiencing an opiate overdose, 869 01:12:18,208 --> 01:12:20,500 you say, "Are you okay?" They don't respond. 870 01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:23,208 You do the sternal rub, they still don't respond. 871 01:12:23,458 --> 01:12:24,416 You may shake them. 872 01:12:24,625 --> 01:12:27,166 If they still don't respond, that's when you're gonna give Narcan. 873 01:12:27,541 --> 01:12:29,916 So you're going to give Narcan and call 911. 874 01:12:30,166 --> 01:12:32,833 You can do whichever you want to do first, but do both. 875 01:12:33,250 --> 01:12:36,291 Open it up, hold it. Spray it up their nose, okay? 876 01:12:36,708 --> 01:12:39,208 If it's not an overdose, it's not going to hurt them and it won't work. 877 01:12:39,375 --> 01:12:42,000 But if it is an overdose, it's gonna save their life. 878 01:12:42,250 --> 01:12:43,291 Okay? 879 01:12:43,541 --> 01:12:48,166 Focusing on harm reduction is what's going to bring people out of this crisis. 880 01:12:48,416 --> 01:12:52,125 Safe consumption sites, reducing stigma and helping drug users 881 01:12:52,375 --> 01:12:54,833 is the long goal, so... 882 01:13:04,375 --> 01:13:08,000 Okay, we're going to start the hearing. Good morning. 883 01:13:08,166 --> 01:13:10,875 I'd like to welcome you to today's hearing 884 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,416 on the adequacy of funding for substance use disorder services. 885 01:13:15,666 --> 01:13:17,916 Our next witness is Nan Goldin, 886 01:13:18,083 --> 01:13:22,250 founder of Prescription Addiction Intervention Now. 887 01:13:22,666 --> 01:13:26,208 I'm gonna speak, by and large, from the personal experience. 888 01:13:26,458 --> 01:13:29,916 That maybe will help inform you of what it means, 889 01:13:30,166 --> 01:13:32,833 some of these bills that you're trying to pass, 890 01:13:33,083 --> 01:13:35,458 what it actually impacts on a human being. 891 01:13:36,291 --> 01:13:41,041 I wouldn't have gotten off Oxy without buprenorphine. 892 01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:45,750 On a small dose of buprenorphine, cravings for opioids are reduced. 893 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,708 At larger doses, you can't even feel the effects of opioids if you try. 894 01:13:50,916 --> 01:13:54,916 I was one of the lucky ones who was able to access MAT immediately 895 01:13:55,166 --> 01:13:56,375 and afford good treatment. 896 01:13:56,875 --> 01:13:59,666 Doctors need to pay to train and receive a waiver 897 01:13:59,916 --> 01:14:01,541 to prescribe buprenorphine, 898 01:14:01,791 --> 01:14:05,708 when no such certificate is required to prescribe OxyContin. 899 01:14:06,125 --> 01:14:10,708 Again, this is a policy that increases the stigma in the medical community 900 01:14:10,958 --> 01:14:13,541 about treating people addicted to drugs. 901 01:14:13,791 --> 01:14:15,791 People need to be kept alive. 902 01:14:16,041 --> 01:14:20,083 Addiction is not a moral issue. It is not a criminal issue. 903 01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:22,458 Harm reduction means not only 904 01:14:22,708 --> 01:14:25,833 recovering the harm caused by the disease of addiction, 905 01:14:26,083 --> 01:14:30,000 but also the harm caused by the social and moral assault 906 01:14:30,250 --> 01:14:33,083 on people with substance use disorder. 907 01:14:35,083 --> 01:14:36,375 Thank you very much. 908 01:14:36,625 --> 01:14:40,416 It's important to hear from people who take Medication-Assisted Treatment. 909 01:14:40,666 --> 01:14:42,458 - But I'm not ashamed of it. - No. 910 01:14:42,625 --> 01:14:44,958 And it's not my road to recovery. 911 01:14:45,208 --> 01:14:47,875 - It is my recovery. - That's important to share. 912 01:14:48,125 --> 01:14:52,250 People think you have to be off everything in order to be in recovery, 913 01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:54,333 and that's certainly not true. 914 01:14:54,583 --> 01:14:58,625 - Yeah, the stigma is terrible. - Okay. Thank you so much. 915 01:15:16,833 --> 01:15:18,166 Lock arms? 916 01:15:22,208 --> 01:15:27,291 We joined with Housing Works and Vocal New York, 917 01:15:27,541 --> 01:15:29,708 who really wanted to do an action... 918 01:15:29,958 --> 01:15:31,916 - We are here... - We are here... 919 01:15:32,291 --> 01:15:35,333 - to draw attention to... - to draw attention to... 920 01:15:35,583 --> 01:15:39,708 - Overdose Awareness Day! - Overdose Awareness Day! 921 01:15:40,083 --> 01:15:41,958 - No stigma! - No shame! 922 01:15:42,166 --> 01:15:43,958 - No stigma! - No shame! 923 01:15:44,125 --> 01:15:45,916 - No stigma! - No shame! 924 01:15:46,083 --> 01:15:47,958 - No stigma! - No shame! 925 01:15:49,333 --> 01:15:51,166 In order to do the harm reduction, 926 01:15:51,416 --> 01:15:54,875 the safe consumption sites invite people in and say, 927 01:15:55,125 --> 01:16:01,000 "Look... whatever you're dependent on is not what we question right now. 928 01:16:01,250 --> 01:16:04,041 "We just want you to be able to do it in a safe way. 929 01:16:04,291 --> 01:16:05,583 "Not put anybody at risk." 930 01:16:07,041 --> 01:16:09,791 "Here's how to shoot up in a clean way." 931 01:16:10,458 --> 01:16:13,208 "You don't know what you bought, we'll test it for you." 932 01:16:14,541 --> 01:16:18,250 - Hey Cuomo, what do you say? - How many people died today? 933 01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:30,666 No more deaths! No more deaths! No more deaths! 934 01:16:50,208 --> 01:16:54,875 I went to rehab for the first time in 1988. 935 01:16:58,958 --> 01:17:02,291 I had been kind of isolated from my friends. 936 01:17:04,875 --> 01:17:07,875 I thought I was going back to my community... 937 01:17:09,125 --> 01:17:12,958 And then I realized most of the people were dead or dying. 938 01:17:13,541 --> 01:17:15,416 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 939 01:17:15,666 --> 01:17:17,958 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 940 01:17:25,166 --> 01:17:27,958 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 941 01:17:28,208 --> 01:17:31,166 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 942 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,041 It was like World War II. 943 01:17:45,291 --> 01:17:49,416 We watched everybody get wiped out, and there was nothing we could do. 944 01:17:57,375 --> 01:18:02,125 I got a call from Artists Space, and they asked me to curate a show. 945 01:18:04,958 --> 01:18:08,000 I wanted the subject of it to be AIDS. 946 01:18:08,416 --> 01:18:12,291 And I was told there hadn't been any shows about AIDS. 947 01:18:17,041 --> 01:18:21,375 I asked all my friends to contribute something 948 01:18:21,625 --> 01:18:24,125 because I wanted it to be a community. 949 01:18:24,916 --> 01:18:27,208 It was the first show I curated. 950 01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:33,208 Mortality no longer feels like some abstraction 951 01:18:33,458 --> 01:18:36,458 that I could push away to the age of 80 or 90 or... 952 01:18:36,708 --> 01:18:42,916 There's no longer a luxury of pushing the idea of mortality away. 953 01:18:46,291 --> 01:18:52,333 David Wojnarowicz was my spiritual guide. He was my political guide. 954 01:18:58,083 --> 01:18:59,875 "If you want to stop AIDS, shoot the queers," 955 01:19:00,125 --> 01:19:01,791 says the governor of Texas on the radio. 956 01:19:02,083 --> 01:19:05,250 And his press secretary later claims the governor was only joking, 957 01:19:05,500 --> 01:19:07,458 and didn't know the microphone was turned on. 958 01:19:07,708 --> 01:19:10,958 And besides, he didn't think it would hurt his chances for re-election anyways. 959 01:19:11,208 --> 01:19:12,541 And I wake up every morning. 960 01:19:12,750 --> 01:19:15,708 I wake up every morning in this killing machine called America, 961 01:19:15,958 --> 01:19:18,250 and I'm carrying this rage like a blood-filled egg. 962 01:19:18,500 --> 01:19:22,250 And there's a thin line, a thin line between the inside and outside, 963 01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:24,833 a thin line between thought and action. 964 01:19:25,083 --> 01:19:28,541 And that line is simply made up of blood and muscle and bone. 965 01:19:28,791 --> 01:19:31,125 I've been looking all my life at the signs surrounding us, 966 01:19:31,375 --> 01:19:33,000 in the media, or on people's lips, 967 01:19:33,250 --> 01:19:35,875 the religious types outside St Patrick's Cathedral, 968 01:19:36,125 --> 01:19:38,208 shouting to the men and women in the gay parade: 969 01:19:38,458 --> 01:19:41,666 "You won't be here next year. You'll get AIDS and die! Ha ha!" 970 01:19:48,250 --> 01:19:52,083 Nan Goldin curated this show with the idea of 971 01:19:52,375 --> 01:19:58,083 choosing the work of people that she knew who were affected by AIDS, 972 01:19:58,333 --> 01:20:00,583 who were living with AIDS. 973 01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:06,041 She wanted to dispel the notion of AIDS victim. 974 01:20:07,791 --> 01:20:10,291 Now, I'm hardly a victim if I can resist. 975 01:20:10,541 --> 01:20:14,416 What I see is institutionalized ignorance about this epidemic. 976 01:20:17,791 --> 01:20:21,166 She also wanted to deal with issues of sexuality 977 01:20:21,416 --> 01:20:23,958 in the midst of this epidemic. 978 01:20:26,583 --> 01:20:29,625 That there was sexuality, there was safe sexuality, 979 01:20:30,083 --> 01:20:33,708 and that this was going to continue to occur, 980 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:38,458 despite the silencing of that information by a church or government. 981 01:20:41,416 --> 01:20:44,083 There is really important work in the show. 982 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,916 Like David's. Like Peter Hujar's. 983 01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:53,750 Philip-Lorca diCorcia. 984 01:20:54,958 --> 01:20:56,750 Mark Morrisroe. 985 01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:59,666 Greer Lankton. 986 01:21:00,750 --> 01:21:02,291 Darrel Ellis. 987 01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:06,875 People both really well-known and people unknown. 988 01:21:09,125 --> 01:21:12,875 It was about the loss of a community. 989 01:21:13,833 --> 01:21:17,458 And trying to keep people's legacy alive. 990 01:21:23,333 --> 01:21:26,625 I called David and asked him to write for my catalogue. 991 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:32,541 I sent him pictures of some of the work that was in it, 992 01:21:32,791 --> 01:21:35,500 and I said, "You can write whatever you want. 993 01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:37,916 "I'll support whatever you write." 994 01:21:38,333 --> 01:21:41,208 I was asked to write a catalogue essay 995 01:21:41,458 --> 01:21:45,458 pertaining to a show dealing with AIDS and a community of people. 996 01:21:45,833 --> 01:21:50,375 So I started talking about what I was experiencing right there in my life and 997 01:21:50,625 --> 01:21:54,625 dealing with image and representation and everything seen through the framework 998 01:21:54,875 --> 01:21:58,583 of having a taboo disease in this society. 999 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,333 I love that this tiny, little, skinny catalogue 1000 01:22:03,583 --> 01:22:07,083 with thumbnail reproductions in black and white 1001 01:22:07,416 --> 01:22:11,208 could cause a major political shake-up. 1002 01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:15,666 At the Artists Space Gallery in Tribeca, 1003 01:22:15,916 --> 01:22:18,583 preparations are still underway for next week's exhibit, 1004 01:22:18,833 --> 01:22:22,166 but the National Endowment of the Arts has canceled its grant. 1005 01:22:22,416 --> 01:22:24,625 The National Endowment for the Arts refuses to sponsor 1006 01:22:24,875 --> 01:22:26,750 an art show here in New York City 1007 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,333 because it deals with AIDS and homosexuality 1008 01:22:29,583 --> 01:22:31,916 and also offends some political sensibilities. 1009 01:22:32,166 --> 01:22:34,541 One thing I want to point out is that it's artist-organized. 1010 01:22:34,791 --> 01:22:37,708 It's organized by a photographer named Nan Goldin... 1011 01:22:37,958 --> 01:22:42,208 Susan Wyatt, the director, got nervous about David's writing, 1012 01:22:42,458 --> 01:22:45,208 and so she took it to the NEA. 1013 01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:49,250 The catalogue reportedly criticizes Senator Jesse Helms 1014 01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:52,000 for his position on homosexuality and art, 1015 01:22:52,333 --> 01:22:57,250 and calls New York Cardinal O'Connor "a fat cannibal in a black skirt." 1016 01:22:59,291 --> 01:23:02,166 - You think the phone is gonna ring again? - Any minute. 1017 01:23:02,375 --> 01:23:03,875 About what? What do you think it's gonna be? 1018 01:23:04,083 --> 01:23:06,250 It's probably Cardinal O'Connor, 1019 01:23:06,500 --> 01:23:09,916 expressing his direct support of my statements. 1020 01:23:10,291 --> 01:23:16,458 And admitting that since he does feast on the body of Christ, that he is a cannibal, 1021 01:23:16,708 --> 01:23:19,875 and that, yes, he does have a penchant for black skirts. 1022 01:23:20,083 --> 01:23:24,541 He is fat, translucent and immoral. 1023 01:23:29,583 --> 01:23:33,833 After the news first broke, David called, really upset, 1024 01:23:34,083 --> 01:23:38,125 and told me that they were trying to make him take out 1025 01:23:38,375 --> 01:23:41,208 "fat fucking cannibal in black skirts." 1026 01:23:43,125 --> 01:23:45,291 I think it's very dangerous and very scary. 1027 01:23:45,541 --> 01:23:49,375 I see an outbreak of McCarthyism and a blacklisting of artists... 1028 01:23:49,625 --> 01:23:51,833 if this is continued to allow to happen. 1029 01:23:54,750 --> 01:23:59,041 What happened is that the artistic focus of the show really was lost. 1030 01:23:59,333 --> 01:24:03,875 And what turned out to be the show in its present form, 1031 01:24:04,125 --> 01:24:07,125 was not and is not sound artistically. 1032 01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:12,166 Composer Leonard Bernstein managed to become embroiled in the controversy. 1033 01:24:12,375 --> 01:24:15,291 This after declining the National Medal of Arts 1034 01:24:15,541 --> 01:24:18,791 because of the NEA action taking away the grant. 1035 01:24:19,958 --> 01:24:23,666 And the thing that makes me laugh is, if at this point in time, 1036 01:24:23,916 --> 01:24:28,125 images and words that can be made by an individual have such power 1037 01:24:28,375 --> 01:24:33,000 to create this storm of controversy... Isn't that great? 1038 01:24:33,166 --> 01:24:36,708 It means that the control of information has a crack in its wall. 1039 01:24:41,875 --> 01:24:44,333 Hello. Yeah. 1040 01:24:45,250 --> 01:24:46,416 Hi... 1041 01:24:48,333 --> 01:24:49,666 Well, it's just been a zoo. 1042 01:24:49,916 --> 01:24:53,041 Senator Alfonse D'Amato tore up an art catalogue on the Senate floor... 1043 01:24:53,333 --> 01:24:56,333 How can they ignore the political aspect of AIDS? 1044 01:24:56,541 --> 01:25:00,416 Is the fact that I may be dying of AIDS in 1989, is that not political? 1045 01:25:00,666 --> 01:25:02,416 Is the fact that I don't have health insurance 1046 01:25:02,583 --> 01:25:04,666 and I don't have access to adequate health care? 1047 01:25:04,916 --> 01:25:07,083 Is that not political? 1048 01:25:20,291 --> 01:25:25,666 Vittorio was given three months to live and he started drawing cartoons. 1049 01:25:33,916 --> 01:25:36,791 He was still alive a year and a half later. 1050 01:25:39,958 --> 01:25:43,291 That's the wake of Vittorio. 1051 01:25:50,208 --> 01:25:52,625 Cookie had already lost her voice. 1052 01:25:53,500 --> 01:25:58,750 She was constantly writing so people could see what she needed and wanted. 1053 01:26:00,750 --> 01:26:04,208 Then Sharon came back to take care of Cookie. 1054 01:26:08,458 --> 01:26:11,250 The picture of Sharon nursing Cookie... 1055 01:26:11,958 --> 01:26:14,458 To me, this is the meaning of love. 1056 01:26:20,666 --> 01:26:22,208 I was raging. 1057 01:26:22,458 --> 01:26:27,125 "Call this doctor. Call that doctor. Someone's gonna be able to help her. 1058 01:26:27,250 --> 01:26:30,875 "There's got to be something. There's a treatment out there somewhere." 1059 01:26:31,375 --> 01:26:33,833 And then to realize there was no doctor to call. 1060 01:26:34,083 --> 01:26:36,625 It was just... I didn't get it. 1061 01:26:54,125 --> 01:26:57,166 We had Cookie's memorial at St Mark's Church, 1062 01:26:57,416 --> 01:27:00,208 and the next day, "Witnesses" opened. 1063 01:27:03,333 --> 01:27:05,375 My name is David Wojnarowicz. 1064 01:27:05,625 --> 01:27:07,583 I'd like to read this in memory of Peter Hujar, 1065 01:27:07,833 --> 01:27:12,708 Keith Davis, Bebe Smith, Cookie Mueller, Vittorio. 1066 01:27:13,666 --> 01:27:16,708 One of the first steps in making the private grief public 1067 01:27:16,958 --> 01:27:19,000 is the ritual of memorials, 1068 01:27:19,250 --> 01:27:22,250 and I've attended a number of memorials in the last five years, 1069 01:27:22,500 --> 01:27:23,625 and at the last one I attended, 1070 01:27:23,875 --> 01:27:27,250 I suddenly found myself experiencing something akin to rage. 1071 01:27:27,583 --> 01:27:28,875 What made me angry, 1072 01:27:29,125 --> 01:27:32,333 what made me angry was realizing that the memorial had little reverberation 1073 01:27:32,583 --> 01:27:33,833 outside the room it was held in, 1074 01:27:34,291 --> 01:27:35,666 and at the same time, worry that friends 1075 01:27:35,916 --> 01:27:37,708 will solely become professional pallbearers, 1076 01:27:37,958 --> 01:27:40,666 waiting for each death of their lovers, friends and neighbors, 1077 01:27:40,916 --> 01:27:42,791 and polishing their funereal speeches, 1078 01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:47,208 perfecting their rituals of death rather than a relatively simple ritual of life, 1079 01:27:47,458 --> 01:27:49,625 such as screaming in the streets. 1080 01:27:50,875 --> 01:27:54,958 Not the church! Not the state! We decide what art is great! 1081 01:28:01,041 --> 01:28:02,708 Step on the sidewalk, can't stay in the street. 1082 01:28:02,958 --> 01:28:05,916 And I imagine what it would be like if friends had a demonstration 1083 01:28:06,166 --> 01:28:09,000 each time a lover or a friend or a stranger died of AIDS. 1084 01:28:09,250 --> 01:28:10,666 And I imagine what it would be like, 1085 01:28:10,916 --> 01:28:13,416 each time a lover or friend or stranger died of AIDS, 1086 01:28:13,666 --> 01:28:14,791 or of this disease, 1087 01:28:15,041 --> 01:28:17,416 their friends, lovers or neighbors would take their dead body 1088 01:28:17,583 --> 01:28:21,250 and drive with it in a car 100 mph to Washington, D.C., 1089 01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:23,166 and blast through the gates of the White House 1090 01:28:23,375 --> 01:28:25,166 and come to a screeching halt before the entrance, 1091 01:28:25,416 --> 01:28:28,833 and then dump their lifeless forms on the front steps. 1092 01:28:30,041 --> 01:28:32,666 But bottom line, even a tiny charcoal scratch 1093 01:28:32,916 --> 01:28:35,791 done as a gesture to mark a person's response to this epidemic, 1094 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,291 means whole worlds to me, if it's hung in public. 1095 01:28:39,666 --> 01:28:43,666 And bottom line, we have to find our own forms of gesture and communication. 1096 01:28:43,916 --> 01:28:46,875 You can never depend on the mass media to reflect us 1097 01:28:47,125 --> 01:28:49,958 or our needs or our states of mind. 1098 01:28:52,416 --> 01:28:56,541 NEA, stop your tricks! Art is sex and politics! 1099 01:28:59,375 --> 01:29:03,833 Mark Morrisroe died soon after it opened. 1100 01:29:08,666 --> 01:29:12,250 David Wojnarowicz died in 1992. 1101 01:29:16,333 --> 01:29:19,625 People don't really understand the anger, and frustration, 1102 01:29:19,875 --> 01:29:22,541 and pain of those years. 1103 01:29:26,708 --> 01:29:29,833 They don't understand what we went through. 1104 01:29:35,708 --> 01:29:37,458 It's still killing people. 1105 01:29:39,166 --> 01:29:41,416 It never went away. 1106 01:29:45,125 --> 01:29:48,708 David Armstrong died in 2014. 1107 01:29:52,541 --> 01:29:56,125 You know, we spent a lot of our life together. 1108 01:30:00,583 --> 01:30:03,083 Decades of friendship. 1109 01:30:42,875 --> 01:30:46,958 Many people have started to refuse donations from the Sacklers, 1110 01:30:47,208 --> 01:30:51,250 including the Guggenheim Museum, the Met Museum, the Tate, 1111 01:30:51,500 --> 01:30:56,291 and the National Portrait Gallery, as well as medical institutions worldwide. 1112 01:30:56,583 --> 01:31:00,791 We need to demand that the Louvre stand by and hear us, 1113 01:31:01,125 --> 01:31:03,166 and be the first to take down their name. 1114 01:31:52,208 --> 01:31:56,041 - Can I ask you a question? - What? 1115 01:31:56,333 --> 01:32:00,083 - When you overdosed, were you alone? - Yeah. 1116 01:32:02,083 --> 01:32:03,583 Totally. 1117 01:32:07,625 --> 01:32:12,000 I thought it was dope, so I snorted it and it was fentanyl. 1118 01:32:13,666 --> 01:32:18,666 And a lot of people want fentanyl, but I was not prepared for fentanyl. 1119 01:32:18,916 --> 01:32:24,333 And I just went out like that. I just went out. 1120 01:32:26,250 --> 01:32:30,416 And then I came back. And then I went out again. 1121 01:32:31,625 --> 01:32:33,958 Nobody brought me back. I just came back. 1122 01:32:35,458 --> 01:32:39,291 I'm so lucky that I came back by myself. 1123 01:32:45,416 --> 01:32:50,583 I mean, all the judgment of people who are addicted to drugs 1124 01:32:50,833 --> 01:32:52,666 are stigmatized without understanding 1125 01:32:52,916 --> 01:32:57,166 what the experience of not having these drugs is. 1126 01:33:00,625 --> 01:33:03,208 To have to go through withdrawal. 1127 01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:07,375 Your brain is stripped of its opioid receptors, 1128 01:33:07,625 --> 01:33:11,500 so you have no protection from any kind of pain. 1129 01:33:13,833 --> 01:33:16,125 It's not just the physical part. 1130 01:33:17,291 --> 01:33:20,625 It's like... the darkest... 1131 01:33:22,291 --> 01:33:26,083 you can go. It's a darkness of the soul. 1132 01:33:28,708 --> 01:33:30,625 It's unbearable. 1133 01:33:51,500 --> 01:33:53,208 Okay. I am here. 1134 01:33:53,458 --> 01:33:55,833 You can come by whenever you want. 1135 01:33:56,291 --> 01:33:57,250 - Hello - Hi. 1136 01:33:57,500 --> 01:34:00,583 - What did you say? - I'm here at the restaurant. 1137 01:34:00,833 --> 01:34:02,250 You can come here whenever you want. 1138 01:34:02,500 --> 01:34:05,458 - Great. How many did you get? - All that you wanted. 1139 01:34:21,708 --> 01:34:23,041 - Yeah. - Hi. 1140 01:34:23,583 --> 01:34:25,541 - Who is it? - You still in the bed? 1141 01:34:25,791 --> 01:34:28,166 Oh, no, I never went to sleep. 1142 01:34:28,958 --> 01:34:32,625 You know what really hit me as peculiar? 1143 01:34:32,958 --> 01:34:35,583 And I've been thinking about it all morning. 1144 01:34:36,166 --> 01:34:42,041 Misery does not love company. Misery loves attention... in this case. 1145 01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:30,500 The supply has become very dirty. Basically lethal. 1146 01:35:35,291 --> 01:35:37,208 Fentanyl is in everything now. 1147 01:35:38,583 --> 01:35:40,250 Isn't this fentanyl here? 1148 01:35:40,500 --> 01:35:44,541 So fentanyl has like one big peak, coke has two peaks right here. 1149 01:35:44,791 --> 01:35:46,375 And they're at slightly different numbers. 1150 01:35:46,625 --> 01:35:50,708 - Okay. - Here you can see this deviates. 1151 01:35:59,333 --> 01:36:02,083 You want to show them the bloody ones you did? 1152 01:36:02,916 --> 01:36:06,416 No, but it's good 'cause then it will be obvious it's not real. 1153 01:36:12,125 --> 01:36:14,750 - What is our messaging? - Our messaging is... 1154 01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,666 "Purdue is bankrupt, but the Sacklers aren't. 1155 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,000 "Their personal wealth has all been made from OxyContin 1156 01:36:21,250 --> 01:36:23,083 "and it needs to be taken from them." 1157 01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:27,458 I think the messaging is the Sacklers are getting away with murder. 1158 01:36:27,833 --> 01:36:30,958 We want their money and where we want to spend it. 1159 01:36:32,791 --> 01:36:36,208 The company ends up declaring bankruptcy. 1160 01:36:36,208 --> 01:36:40,250 That's this kind of amazing escape hatch because 1161 01:36:41,458 --> 01:36:44,500 what happens is that Purdue, the company, says, 1162 01:36:44,750 --> 01:36:46,291 "Listen, we realize there's all these lawsuits, 1163 01:36:46,541 --> 01:36:51,541 "but we don't have the resources to fight or settle them all, 1164 01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:53,625 "and so instead we're gonna declare bankruptcy 1165 01:36:53,833 --> 01:36:55,875 "because our coffers are almost empty." 1166 01:36:56,625 --> 01:36:59,416 But the reason that the coffers are almost empty, we now know, 1167 01:36:59,666 --> 01:37:04,291 is that behind the scenes for a decade leading up to this bankruptcy plea, 1168 01:37:04,583 --> 01:37:08,291 the Sacklers have been quietly siphoning money out of the company. 1169 01:37:08,541 --> 01:37:14,916 So they took more than $10 billion out of the company before it declares bankruptcy. 1170 01:37:15,166 --> 01:37:17,416 - Whose money? - Our money! 1171 01:37:17,708 --> 01:37:20,458 - Whose blood? - Our blood! 1172 01:37:32,375 --> 01:37:37,000 - You think they could get away with this? - Of course. Yes. 1173 01:37:37,125 --> 01:37:39,666 I never expected that they'd be held accountable. 1174 01:37:39,958 --> 01:37:44,083 I don't think that much money can be taken away from a billionaire family. 1175 01:37:49,458 --> 01:37:55,750 The fact that a bankruptcy court is deciding a public crisis issue is crazy. 1176 01:37:57,083 --> 01:37:58,125 That's the problem. 1177 01:37:58,416 --> 01:38:00,458 So I've been involved since the beginning basically. 1178 01:38:00,583 --> 01:38:02,208 At some point, a lightbulb went on and I was like: 1179 01:38:02,333 --> 01:38:05,208 "Let's bring the activism into the courtroom," 1180 01:38:05,333 --> 01:38:10,041 and ever since then, we've been fighting in the court. 1181 01:38:10,291 --> 01:38:13,458 And we weren't exactly welcome the first time. 1182 01:38:14,583 --> 01:38:20,000 You know, we're like little assassins, we go in and get out. 1183 01:38:20,916 --> 01:38:25,291 I told the lawyer for Purdue that I'm doing it pro-bono. 1184 01:38:25,541 --> 01:38:27,541 He was like, "What?" 1185 01:38:31,333 --> 01:38:33,375 He was like, "What? Wait, what?" 1186 01:38:33,958 --> 01:38:36,541 You know, because they spend $30 million a month 1187 01:38:36,791 --> 01:38:40,250 on legal fees and professional fees in this case. 1188 01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:46,583 There's like 80-something attorneys and people on this call. 1189 01:38:46,833 --> 01:38:48,375 That's a lot. 1190 01:38:49,083 --> 01:38:54,666 Good morning, this is Judge Drain. This is a completely telephonic hearing. 1191 01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,791 We're here today in re: Purdue Pharma L.P. 1192 01:39:01,791 --> 01:39:04,166 Your Honor, we think there's a huge mistake here. 1193 01:39:04,416 --> 01:39:07,708 We think the process that the DOJ went through was wrong. 1194 01:39:07,958 --> 01:39:11,875 We think that the results, which are completely vague and baffling 1195 01:39:12,125 --> 01:39:13,833 to me and my clients, is wrong. 1196 01:39:15,041 --> 01:39:18,250 The DOJ neither invited input from Purdue's victims, 1197 01:39:18,500 --> 01:39:22,250 nor the public, nor apparently any members of the House and Senate. 1198 01:39:22,666 --> 01:39:27,916 The negotiation between these two parties, the DOJ and Purdue/The Sacklers alone, 1199 01:39:28,166 --> 01:39:31,541 is not sufficient to make this kind of policy decision. 1200 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,500 My clients are like the Ghost of Christmas Past, 1201 01:39:34,750 --> 01:39:36,458 they're here to tell you in 2007, 1202 01:39:36,708 --> 01:39:40,208 they saw there was a problem, the problem got worse, 1203 01:39:40,458 --> 01:39:43,416 and this is our moment, their moment, to tell you 1204 01:39:43,666 --> 01:39:47,041 we gotta make sure that the future is safer. 1205 01:39:48,041 --> 01:39:52,125 Okay, well... All right, thank you. 1206 01:39:52,708 --> 01:39:56,500 Good morning, Your Honor, and good morning to everyone who is on the line. 1207 01:39:56,666 --> 01:39:59,083 Your Honor, Mr. Quinn many times used the phrase 1208 01:39:59,333 --> 01:40:00,916 "Purdue/The Sacklers," 1209 01:40:01,166 --> 01:40:05,291 the kind of suggestion that Purdue and the Sacklers are in this together 1210 01:40:05,541 --> 01:40:07,166 is really not helpful. 1211 01:40:07,416 --> 01:40:09,458 And it's just, it's not fair. 1212 01:40:13,541 --> 01:40:15,500 This is so depressing. 1213 01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:20,083 Thank you so much, Mike, thank you so much for going out there and battling. 1214 01:40:20,333 --> 01:40:24,250 I feel proud to be doing it, and, whatever, we're in it. 1215 01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:27,500 The fact that our group is in the bankruptcy, 1216 01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:30,500 at the front of the bankruptcy, fighting every single thing, tooth and nail, 1217 01:40:30,625 --> 01:40:32,958 - is pretty amazing. - Yeah, it's pretty funny. 1218 01:40:32,958 --> 01:40:34,291 It's fucking crazy. 1219 01:40:34,625 --> 01:40:37,041 Is there any chance of criminal charges? 1220 01:40:37,166 --> 01:40:38,000 No. 1221 01:40:38,125 --> 01:40:41,750 The way the plan's structured, if the DOJ filed 1222 01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,291 criminal charges against the Sacklers now, 1223 01:40:44,541 --> 01:40:46,916 it would blow up the whole bankruptcy. 1224 01:40:47,166 --> 01:40:50,625 So effectively, they just dodged criminal liability. 1225 01:41:08,125 --> 01:41:10,750 We followed these people into bankruptcy court 1226 01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,416 and we're watching them completely manipulate the justice system. 1227 01:41:15,666 --> 01:41:18,833 There's no justice for us, only for billionaires. 1228 01:41:19,041 --> 01:41:22,333 So all we can hope is that the money in the settlement 1229 01:41:22,666 --> 01:41:26,458 that goes to the states, goes to the right places, 1230 01:41:26,708 --> 01:41:30,000 that it goes to harm reduction, and not policing. 1231 01:41:32,250 --> 01:41:35,458 That it goes to groups like you that are saving lives. 1232 01:41:42,666 --> 01:41:44,916 This is a proceeding in federal court. 1233 01:41:45,166 --> 01:41:47,041 It is being held remotely, 1234 01:41:47,916 --> 01:41:51,875 but the rules and decorum of a federal court apply. 1235 01:41:54,833 --> 01:41:55,916 Yeah. 1236 01:41:58,333 --> 01:42:03,541 So let me confirm, I see David Sackler on the screen, 1237 01:42:03,791 --> 01:42:06,458 and I see Theresa Sackler. 1238 01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:10,708 Richard Sackler is on the phone 1239 01:42:10,958 --> 01:42:14,166 and will stay on the phone throughout this proceeding. 1240 01:42:14,666 --> 01:42:17,458 Dr. Sackler, can you confirm that for me? 1241 01:42:18,208 --> 01:42:23,333 Yes, Your Honor, I am here on the phone and I'm listening. 1242 01:42:23,625 --> 01:42:27,708 Before we start, there's one clarification I wanted to make: 1243 01:42:27,958 --> 01:42:31,000 I believe Richard said that he is listening. 1244 01:42:31,333 --> 01:42:34,416 I believe that he's also supposed to say that he is watching, 1245 01:42:34,541 --> 01:42:37,208 he's supposed to be watching the video but not seen. 1246 01:42:37,208 --> 01:42:39,166 Can he confirm that? 1247 01:42:40,458 --> 01:42:44,875 I can confirm that, I saw... I've seen everything. 1248 01:42:45,208 --> 01:42:49,500 Okay, that's important, and thank you for raising that, Mr. Price. 1249 01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:53,791 All right, the first person who will speak today is Tiffinee Scott. 1250 01:42:57,125 --> 01:43:02,500 Richard. David. Theresa. 1251 01:43:02,958 --> 01:43:04,250 We have never met, 1252 01:43:04,625 --> 01:43:09,208 but I feel like I already have a relationship with you due to OxyContin. 1253 01:43:10,208 --> 01:43:13,333 Have you ever provided Narcan to one of your children? 1254 01:43:13,583 --> 01:43:16,291 Have you revived one of your children from an overdose? 1255 01:43:16,541 --> 01:43:17,375 I have. 1256 01:43:17,583 --> 01:43:20,041 There are no words to describe my pain. 1257 01:43:20,208 --> 01:43:24,375 In May of 2020, she was found unresponsive, lifeless... 1258 01:43:24,625 --> 01:43:28,083 lifeless in bed by me, her mother. 1259 01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:32,166 The deceit and horror you all caused, shame on you. 1260 01:43:32,625 --> 01:43:35,791 I remember the day Trent told me he was addicted to OxyContin. 1261 01:43:36,041 --> 01:43:38,708 He called me from the campus of the University of Alabama. 1262 01:43:38,958 --> 01:43:41,500 I could tell in his voice, there was great fear. 1263 01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:45,458 I drove the three hours, he met me in tears, we wept together. 1264 01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:49,708 "Dad, I can't stop taking Oxy. Dad, I'm afraid I'm going to die." 1265 01:43:49,958 --> 01:43:51,833 - And he did. - This is so hard. 1266 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:56,833 I encountered opioids for the first time shortly after you launched OxyContin. 1267 01:43:57,083 --> 01:44:01,583 And I am one of the living survivors of your monumental greed. 1268 01:44:02,041 --> 01:44:03,791 I hope that every face, 1269 01:44:04,041 --> 01:44:08,750 every single victim's face haunts your every waking moment... 1270 01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,541 - It won't. - ...and your sleeping ones, too. 1271 01:44:11,833 --> 01:44:12,916 Thank you. 1272 01:44:13,208 --> 01:44:16,083 The next person to speak is Nan Goldin. 1273 01:44:16,583 --> 01:44:20,208 It's nice to finally see the Sacklers, face-to-face. 1274 01:44:20,666 --> 01:44:25,416 The Sacklers' so-called apology, which was mandated by this settlement, 1275 01:44:25,708 --> 01:44:29,333 is insulting to all of us who have been damaged by them. 1276 01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:35,375 One family is largely responsible for the onset of this crisis 1277 01:44:35,666 --> 01:44:39,708 that has led to the deaths of over half a million Americans, 1278 01:44:40,291 --> 01:44:44,166 and caused irreparable damage for generations to come. 1279 01:44:44,666 --> 01:44:49,625 Yet their settlement grants them immunity, not just for themselves, 1280 01:44:49,875 --> 01:44:52,833 but for generations of Sacklers to come. 1281 01:44:53,375 --> 01:44:56,416 Purdue has been found guilty of federal crimes, 1282 01:44:56,666 --> 01:44:59,750 but its private owners have never been prosecuted. 1283 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,208 We hope the Justice Department will pursue criminal charges. 1284 01:45:04,458 --> 01:45:05,375 Thank you. 1285 01:45:07,083 --> 01:45:08,583 Okay, thank you. 1286 01:45:17,916 --> 01:45:20,000 They're already on the way, they've already been dispatched. 1287 01:45:20,250 --> 01:45:21,416 Has he taken anything? 1288 01:45:21,666 --> 01:45:24,041 I just don't know. He has in the past. 1289 01:45:27,791 --> 01:45:29,041 Oh, my God. 1290 01:45:32,500 --> 01:45:35,000 - You said he's 20 years old? - Yes. 1291 01:45:35,250 --> 01:45:37,083 - What's his name? - Pardon me? 1292 01:45:37,333 --> 01:45:39,708 - What's his name? - Bryan... 1293 01:45:40,375 --> 01:45:43,041 - We're on the way, okay? - Thank you, sir. 1294 01:45:45,125 --> 01:45:47,791 4,804 days. 1295 01:45:48,041 --> 01:45:50,083 Richard, if you're still listening, 1296 01:45:50,333 --> 01:45:54,250 that's how many days since I made that horrifying call. 1297 01:45:54,541 --> 01:45:56,500 I have lived with the pain and heartache 1298 01:45:56,750 --> 01:46:01,958 as a result of the loss of my only child, a pain you will never understand. 1299 01:46:02,208 --> 01:46:06,458 I can only echo the pain and suffering 1300 01:46:07,458 --> 01:46:11,750 that Kristy feels and that all of us that are here today feel. 1301 01:46:12,833 --> 01:46:17,791 I want to point out to the Sacklers that by the time this two-hour hearing is over, 1302 01:46:17,958 --> 01:46:22,625 you can add 16 more people to your death list. 1303 01:46:37,291 --> 01:46:43,041 I asked my father for records from the hospitals she'd been in. 1304 01:46:45,208 --> 01:46:49,125 And he gave them to me without reading them himself. 1305 01:46:55,125 --> 01:46:57,375 So this box came... 1306 01:46:57,625 --> 01:47:01,833 "The Box," I think of it as, with the primary documents. 1307 01:47:07,416 --> 01:47:13,750 There was the history of Barbara for me to read and I was terrified. 1308 01:47:14,375 --> 01:47:17,291 I wanted to know, but I didn't want to know. 1309 01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:34,458 I didn't understand that the first place she was sent was actually an orphanage. 1310 01:47:38,416 --> 01:47:42,083 And then she burned down the curtains and ran away. 1311 01:47:45,041 --> 01:47:48,500 She's described as a "rebellious adolescent." 1312 01:47:58,666 --> 01:48:03,083 It says in the interviews that the psychiatrist thought that 1313 01:48:03,333 --> 01:48:06,875 Mrs. Goldin should be in the hospital, not Miss Goldin. 1314 01:48:07,125 --> 01:48:10,750 And that's actually written in the hospital record. 1315 01:48:17,166 --> 01:48:22,833 My mother had been sexually abused for years by a family member. 1316 01:48:25,625 --> 01:48:30,541 And when my sister hit puberty, my mother couldn't cope with it. 1317 01:48:38,291 --> 01:48:42,291 My sister didn't have any outlet. She didn't have any context. 1318 01:48:42,541 --> 01:48:44,625 It was not mental illness. 1319 01:48:51,500 --> 01:48:55,250 I just knew how hard it was for her to be alive. 1320 01:48:58,625 --> 01:49:01,083 She wanted a home so badly. 1321 01:49:02,833 --> 01:49:07,541 If she had found people, if she'd been loved, 1322 01:49:08,791 --> 01:49:10,916 she would have survived. 1323 01:49:37,875 --> 01:49:40,583 Persons in the area told police they had seen Miss Goldin 1324 01:49:40,833 --> 01:49:42,000 a short time before 1325 01:49:42,208 --> 01:49:45,250 when she asked when the next train was due to pass. 1326 01:49:45,500 --> 01:49:50,041 Shortly before 5:30 p.m., persons said, Miss Goldin put her pocketbook 1327 01:49:50,291 --> 01:49:54,333 on the ground next to the tracks, then lay down across the tracks 1328 01:49:54,583 --> 01:49:57,166 as the Capitol Limited approached. 1329 01:49:57,416 --> 01:50:02,166 The train's engineer told police they saw her and nailed the brakes, 1330 01:50:02,416 --> 01:50:05,000 but were unable to stop the train. 1331 01:50:05,250 --> 01:50:09,333 Pathological examiner ruled her death as a suicide. 1332 01:50:09,583 --> 01:50:15,458 Other significant conditions contributing to death: severe mental depression. 1333 01:50:28,125 --> 01:50:31,416 I mean, that's the problem, you grow up being told, 1334 01:50:31,666 --> 01:50:34,375 "That didn't happen. You didn't see that. 1335 01:50:34,625 --> 01:50:38,333 "You didn't hear that." And what do you do? 1336 01:50:38,583 --> 01:50:41,750 How do you believe yourself? How do you trust yourself? 1337 01:50:41,958 --> 01:50:44,625 How do you continue to trust yourself? 1338 01:50:44,750 --> 01:50:47,625 And then how do you show the world 1339 01:50:47,791 --> 01:50:51,875 that you did experience that, that you did hear that? 1340 01:50:52,125 --> 01:50:55,333 So that's the reason I take pictures. 1341 01:51:04,958 --> 01:51:07,958 - Nan, what are you...? - Beautiful, you look beautiful. 1342 01:51:08,208 --> 01:51:10,375 - Nan, does that have sound? - Yeah. 1343 01:51:10,625 --> 01:51:11,791 Oh, my dear! 1344 01:51:12,333 --> 01:51:13,750 Let's go, honey. 1345 01:51:18,291 --> 01:51:21,375 My mom's a dance fanatic. 1346 01:51:23,583 --> 01:51:26,666 And she's gonna teach her old husband how to move it. 1347 01:51:27,541 --> 01:51:29,500 I like to do this... 1348 01:51:30,583 --> 01:51:33,250 - Go, Mom! - Go for it. 1349 01:51:39,500 --> 01:51:43,208 My father and mother were not equipped to be parents. 1350 01:51:45,291 --> 01:51:49,000 They had children because it was expected, 1351 01:51:49,250 --> 01:51:52,791 more than it was about nurturing other human beings. 1352 01:51:54,875 --> 01:51:56,458 That looks good! 1353 01:52:01,208 --> 01:52:04,500 - Yeah, but hold it up more. - Is that high enough? 1354 01:52:05,250 --> 01:52:06,833 - Yeah, that's beautiful. - You can see it? 1355 01:52:07,083 --> 01:52:10,875 Barbara loved Nan very much. They were very, very close. 1356 01:52:14,333 --> 01:52:20,166 When she died, she had in her pocketbook a very beautiful, small book of Psalms. 1357 01:52:21,250 --> 01:52:24,000 And she had this wonderful quotation from... 1358 01:52:24,333 --> 01:52:27,458 - Conrad... - The Heart of Darkness. 1359 01:52:27,958 --> 01:52:32,958 Joseph Conrad. She was also, like Nan, a very wide reader. 1360 01:52:34,166 --> 01:52:40,666 And I have the quotation upstairs, but it had in it something about... 1361 01:52:48,333 --> 01:52:49,500 - Can you stop? - Yeah... 1362 01:52:49,750 --> 01:52:52,083 - You should get the quotation. - Stop. 1363 01:52:52,625 --> 01:52:56,791 - Something about regrets. - Yeah. Infinite regrets. 1364 01:53:03,458 --> 01:53:05,208 Is it on now? 1365 01:53:05,458 --> 01:53:07,833 Quotation from Heart of Darkness... 1366 01:53:08,083 --> 01:53:10,416 And it was just written on a piece of paper? 1367 01:53:11,500 --> 01:53:15,708 "It's a droll thing life is, that mysterious arrangement 1368 01:53:15,958 --> 01:53:19,625 "of merciless logic for a futile purpose. 1369 01:53:20,458 --> 01:53:25,000 "The most you can hope for is some knowledge of yourself... 1370 01:53:35,333 --> 01:53:37,416 "that comes too late... 1371 01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:41,833 "A crop of unextinguishable regrets." 1372 01:54:04,541 --> 01:54:11,541 I think this story is an important story, not just for me, but for society... 1373 01:54:15,166 --> 01:54:18,791 About conformity and denial. 1374 01:54:20,666 --> 01:54:22,875 And also about stigma. 1375 01:54:24,666 --> 01:54:29,375 The wrong things are kept secret and that destroys people. 1376 01:54:32,666 --> 01:54:37,250 My sister was a victim of all that, but she knew how to fight back. 1377 01:54:40,208 --> 01:54:45,500 Her rebellion was the starting point for my own. 1378 01:54:47,666 --> 01:54:49,875 She showed me the way. 1379 01:54:54,333 --> 01:54:56,916 - Let's turn off for a minute. - Yeah. 1380 01:55:26,291 --> 01:55:27,500 Oh, wow. 1381 01:55:44,416 --> 01:55:45,375 Wow. 1382 01:55:54,166 --> 01:55:55,958 We did it, baby. 1383 01:56:01,083 --> 01:56:04,458 Four years of work. Congress didn't do anything. 1384 01:56:04,666 --> 01:56:06,958 Justice Department hasn't done anything. 1385 01:56:07,208 --> 01:56:13,375 Bankruptcy court, you know, completely left them better than ever. 1386 01:56:13,625 --> 01:56:18,041 You know, they're completely vindicated by bankruptcy court. 1387 01:56:18,291 --> 01:56:22,125 And so this is the only place they're being held accountable, the only place. 1388 01:56:22,291 --> 01:56:23,208 And we did it. 1389 01:56:29,666 --> 01:56:30,666 Wow... 1390 01:56:32,958 --> 01:56:35,083 Oh, my goodness. What a feeling. 1391 01:56:36,708 --> 01:56:38,666 - Incredible. - It's amazing. 1392 01:56:40,208 --> 01:56:45,541 - The Sacklers are now "private sources." - Here, stay there. 1393 01:56:45,791 --> 01:56:48,666 It doesn't say what private sources. 1394 01:56:51,083 --> 01:56:52,458 Beautiful! 1395 01:56:52,750 --> 01:56:54,958 - Oh, man! - It's so good! 1396 01:56:55,541 --> 01:56:57,625 It's hard to believe. 1397 01:59:33,625 --> 01:59:36,291 ♪ Unlock my love ♪ 1398 01:59:37,583 --> 01:59:40,625 ♪ And set me free ♪ 1399 01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:44,583 ♪ Come fill me up ♪ 1400 01:59:45,833 --> 01:59:48,583 ♪ With ecstasy ♪ 1401 01:59:49,916 --> 01:59:54,000 ♪ Surround my heartbeat with your fingertips ♪ 1402 01:59:54,208 --> 01:59:57,875 ♪ Unbound my feet, untie my wrists ♪ 1403 01:59:58,083 --> 02:00:02,125 ♪ Come in to my world of loneliness ♪ 1404 02:00:02,375 --> 02:00:04,000 ♪ And wickedness ♪ 1405 02:00:04,250 --> 02:00:06,125 ♪ And bitterness ♪ 1406 02:00:06,416 --> 02:00:09,333 ♪ Unlock my love ♪ 1407 02:00:39,166 --> 02:00:42,083 ♪ Unsuffer me ♪ 1408 02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:46,000 ♪ Take away the pain ♪ 1409 02:00:47,166 --> 02:00:50,375 ♪ Unbruise, unbloody ♪ 1410 02:00:51,250 --> 02:00:54,250 ♪ Wash away the stain ♪ 1411 02:00:55,416 --> 02:00:57,416 ♪ Anoint my head ♪ 1412 02:00:57,541 --> 02:00:59,291 ♪ With your sweet kiss ♪ 1413 02:00:59,416 --> 02:01:01,458 ♪ My joy is dead ♪ 1414 02:01:01,583 --> 02:01:03,500 ♪ I long for bliss ♪ 1415 02:01:03,625 --> 02:01:05,541 ♪ I long for knowledge ♪ 1416 02:01:05,666 --> 02:01:07,500 ♪ Whisper in my ear ♪ 1417 02:01:07,708 --> 02:01:11,541 ♪ Undo my logic, undo my fear ♪ 1418 02:01:11,750 --> 02:01:15,708 ♪ Unsuffer me ♪