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[tense music]
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[presenter] Good evening,
welcome to the BBC news at six.
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After days of intense pressure
and public anger
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over the phone hacking
scandal,
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the News of the World,
the country's biggest selling newspaper
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has said that
this Sunday's edition will be its last.
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[presenter 2] Police investigating
allegations of phone hacking
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said they were working through a list
of 4,000 potential victims.
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I feel so appalled by what has happened.
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Murder victims, terrorist victims
who've had their phones hacked
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is quite disgraceful.
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[reporter] Arrests followed,
with editors, executives and journalists
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all implicated in the scandal.
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Everybody came after us.
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Although we'd done great stuff
and put a lot of baddies away,
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we just became the villains of the piece.
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[Steve Coogan] It's morally bankrupt,
totally, and you are morally bankrupt.
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The whole notion of press freedom
is a smokescreen
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for selling newspapers with tittle-tattle,
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and you hide behind this whenever
it comes up, it's absolute B.S.
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[applause]
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[reporter] This was the scene
in Wapping last night
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as the staff bid goodbye
to their newspaper and their jobs.
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[Emma Morgan] I remember hearing that
the News of the World had closed down
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and I was so pleased, I was so pleased
to see the back of it.
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I actually visualised the
News of the World's news desks,
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the empty chairs and the vacated desks,
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and I just thought, brilliant.
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I thought that would be the end
of Mazher Mahmood,
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but it wasn't.
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[reporter] The trial of Mazher Mahmood,
the journalist known as the Fake Sheikh,
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has opened at the Old Bailey.
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{\an8}[Jodie Kidd] It was so unbelievable,
it was believable.
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You know, this can't be fake.
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{\an8}[reporter] For 30 years he has
revelled in hiding his identity.
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{\an8}[George Galloway] His anonymity,
his secrecy was the key to his entire act.
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{\an8}[reporter] The self-styled
King of the Sting,
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{\an8} turning up to court every day
beneath a balaclava.
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{\an8}[Jeremy Dein] I think he was ruthless,
dishonest, and a merciless individual.
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{\an8}[reporter] Mazher Mahmood has been behind
some huge tabloid scoops,
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things like uncovering match fixing
in Pakistani cricket,
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and a plan to kidnap Victoria Beckham.
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[Neil Wallis] Maz played
on this caricature
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that money literally could be no object
and if you got close,
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you could grab your share of it.
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{\an8}[Emma Morgan] I hate to say it, but he's
very, very, very good at what he does.
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[reporter] The Sun on Sunday will
publish for the first time next weekend.
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It follows the closure of the
News of the World last July,
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in the wake
of the phone hacking scandal.
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[Paul Connew] Rupert Murdoch didn't like
the idea that he wasn't going to have
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a Sunday newspaper
because he still believed
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there was a big market
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and that's how the idea of the Sun
on Sunday was born
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with the idea that it had to be untainted
by the News of the World
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The first edition of the Sunday Sun,
how about that.
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Mazher had the reputation of being
a journalistic born survivor,
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he was never charged with phone hacking,
or linked directly to phone hacking
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so he was given a birth
on the Sun on Sunday.
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[Aylia Fox] I think when
the News of the World closed,
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there was definitely a seismic shift
in terms of how people perceived the press
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{\an8}and there was less tolerance
for shenanigans
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and journalists had to be more careful,
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only I don't think Mazher Mahmood
got that memo.
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{\an8}In the Sun, he was trying
to re-establish himself
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{\an8}as the King of the Sting,
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He wanted to put his stamp on.
This is me, I'm back,
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look and weep.
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[Aylia Fox] When Mazher
joined the Sun on Sunday
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I think there would have been
a lot of pressure
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to secure a big story fast
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because he was constantly
on a mission to prove himself
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and you are only
as good as your last story
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and in his case, all his stories were big,
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so he had to come up
with a bigger one.
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♪ I'll make mistakes that I learn from ♪
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♪ 'Cause I'm young, yeah I'm young ♪
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♪ I'm sorry, I'm not even done ♪
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♪ 'Cause I'm young, yeah I'm young ♪
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[Aylia Fox] Tulisa was a popstar.
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[crowd cheering]
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She was a TV personality
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and people knew her because
she was a judge on the X Factor.
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She was on our screens
every Saturday night,
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prime time television.
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I thought she was great, and my daughter
did and still does like N-Dubz,
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as do I.
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[cheering and screaming]
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But show business can be cutthroat.
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[reporter] Tulisa confirmed
the wildly unexpected news
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that she is leaving the X Factor.
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[paparazzo] Morning, Tulisa.
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Sadly for Tulisa
she'd just left the X Factor,
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which almost certainly made her vulnerable
and an ideal sting target.
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{\an8} I was approached by these two
"film producers."
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They wanted me for this massive lead role
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in a Bollywood slash Hollywood production.
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All in all, I was offered
3 to 3.5 mil.
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I'm thinking "Wow this is
a dream come true."
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{\an8}Maz was a terrific newspaper
investigative reporter.
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What his skill was would be
to see a situation,
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work out how to get to it
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and quite quickly set up a path
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to then bring it all together.
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[Aylia Fox] His Fake Sheikh days were over
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because people did know about him,
they'd read about him,
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so he had to change who he was
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and he became a high-flying
Bollywood producer.
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When I saw the footage,
it was very clear to me
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that this was a typical sting.
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Everything was meticulously planned
even to the point where she was sitting
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was in exact view of where
his secret camera was set up.
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Ok the story outline very briefly
is that we want an English girl,
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- Kind of a... from humble...
-Are we talking posh British or...
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No.
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[Aylia Fox] To get what he wanted,
he had to reflect the desires
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of the person that's sitting
in front of him.
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He was incredibly convincing.
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He got her tipsy,
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he offered her the world,
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and the footage shows
that she was excited about it.
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-We want a kind of a...
-Oh I can do cockney.
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...someone who comes from
kind of a very low background
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-Perfect!
-Before that...
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{\an8}Ta-da!
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[Aylia Fox] Mazher Mahmood
was a little bit stuck
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because she'd not done anything illegal,
she'd not taken drugs
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but Mazher was a dog with a bone
and he would find a way
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to get the story by hook or by crook.
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[Neil Wallis] Nothing fazed him.
If a good story was a good story,
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he would go for it
and not be put off
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just because it seemed difficult
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and he was determined.
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[Aylia Fox] He left it a week or two,
contacted her
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and asked her if she knew anyone
who could supply him with drugs.
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Now she wanted to impress him,
she wanted the work.
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Tulisa said she'd reached out to a contact
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and told them to pretend
they were able to get Maz drugs
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so she would appear streetwise.
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But that person actually did
end up supplying Maz with cocaine
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and that was enough for the story.
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[sniffs]
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My life is ruined, it's over.
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I just want my life back.
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{\an8}[sobs] They've ruined me.
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This would never have happened
unless they created the situation.
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They made it happen.
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This would never have happened
unless they made it happen.
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They made it happen!
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[reporter] The singer and former
X-factor judge Tulisa Contostavlos
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has appeared in court
to face drug offence charges.
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[paparazzi shouting]
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[reporter] Tulisa had
to make her way past a crowd
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of photographers,
news crews and reporters,
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making her way to courtroom number one.
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She faces a charge of being concerned
in the supply of Class A drugs
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to an undercover reporter.
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We're going to make a short statement
on behalf of Tulisa.
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Tulisa's been charged
with a serious criminal offence,
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to which today, she's pleaded not guilty.
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As has been widely reported,
this entire case
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has been manufactured by Mazher Mahmood,
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sometimes known as the Fake Sheikh.
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Tulisa is the latest
in a long line of people
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who have been treated as fodder
by greedy newspapers.
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[Steve Grayson] I remember
reading the Tulisa story
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{\an8}and I thought,
this is exactly what we did.
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{\an8}There's no difference, it's exactly
the same as what Mahmood did
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to Emma Morgan.
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The story's the same.
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The splash was "Page 3 Girl's Drug Shame."
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[Emma Morgan] When I saw
the article about Tulisa,
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I knew exactly what had gone on,
I looked at the byline and of course,
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{\an8}there he was Mazher Mahmood,
up to his old tricks.
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{\an8}I wanted to shout out and say,
he's done that to me as well
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many many years before,
the details were slightly different,
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but the way in which he had gone about it
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was exactly the same.
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What I have noticed with Mazher's stings
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is that although his victims
can be very very different,
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he still used the same blueprint,
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he still sold them the dream,
he gave them what they wanted.
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He dangled the biggest carrot ever,
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knowing they were going
to reach for that carrot
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and that's how he brought them down.
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I fell for the Fake Sheikh's bullshit
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because I was offered
an opportunity of a lifetime.
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We flew to Lanzarote.
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It was a really,
really big calendar shoot.
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he said that I'd be getting paid far more
money than I had ever been paid
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on any job before.
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But he asked me
if I could get him some cocaine.
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I was duped, I was encouraged so much,
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I honestly thought if I had said no,
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it could have cost me the job.
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He asked me
if I could get some cocaine for him
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from this guy called Billy.
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[Steve Grayson] Billy is buying
the cocaine and we're paying him.
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Because Mazher Mahmood paid him
from the expenses.
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"What about if we put that in the paper?
What a joke!
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"Oh, it's okay.
We bought the coke for her!
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"Ah, that's a good idea."
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We bought the coke, we give it to her.
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Billy gets paid, everybody gets paid,
she gets ruined.
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He halted my career just as
it was about to blow up.
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I never recovered from it.
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And I just cried and cried and cried
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and I was just so scared about
what my mum and dad would think.
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[voice shaking] I remember... Sorry.
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I remember calling and I spoke to my dad
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and he just said, "Do you need help?"
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"Have you got a drugs problem?
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"because we'll get you sorted,
we'll get you to rehab."
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And he was really worried about me
and I said no.
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He said, you can tell me the truth,
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and I remember thinking,
even my dad believes it.
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And then after that everything just,
everything just went to shit.
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[Steve Grayson] In the end I got sacked
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over another story and fell out with Maz,
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but I felt bad for Emma.
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You know, I really did feel bad.
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It's OK feeling bad but I done it.
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But I did feel bad.
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[Emma Morgan] If my own dad
is wondering whether or not it's true,
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you know, how is my voice
ever going to be louder
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than the voice of
the News of the World?
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I can't shout as loud as the 6 million
people who are going to read about me.
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He would have had me
slung in jail if he could,
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just thankfully it was in Spain
so it was out of our jurisdiction.
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Had this been in London,
maybe I'd have been up in court as well.
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[reporter] A court in London has told
the singer Tulisa Contostavlos
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that she will go on trial in July
to face a charge of supplying drugs.
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{\an8}I'd become aware
of Tulisa Contostavlos being arrested,
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{\an8}and I'd followed that story.
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I was actually a fan of N-Dubz,
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and my children were young at the time,
we all used to watch the X Factor
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avidly on a Saturday night.
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And then, low and behold my clerk
got a call from Tulisa's manager.
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So, it was all a bit
intimidating for me,
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I was very nervous
about meeting her, actually.
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[Jeremy Dein] You were
set up and entrapped.
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Entrapment is not a defence
to a criminal charge.
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But a judge is entitled
to stop the proceedings,
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if he or she feels that this was crime
manufactured by Mahmood.
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Obviously we'll be drawing
from the facts of your case,
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the whole business of the carrot
of the 3.5 million,
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the carrot of the major part in the film,
that you were lured.
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[ominous music]
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{\an8}No matter what the size of the carrot,
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{\an8}you cannot entrap people
into committing these crimes,
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however the public perception is that's
because they've offered a huge carrot.
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That is resulting
in the crimes taking place.
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I wanted to do the case,
as any, you know, professional would.
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It was, you know, an exciting prospect.
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but it was also, you know,
incredibly worrying,
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because he did seem to be unstoppable.
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We researched Mahmood's old cases
before the Tulisa case
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and the view I formed is
that this was a journalist
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whose working practices
could not be trusted.
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The defendants had been lured in
by inducement
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by Mahmood and his cohorts.
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They're actually creating
and generating the crime
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that they would later be heard to say
was in the public interest to prosecute.
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{\an8}Public interest is, for me, is
moral wrongdoing, obviously criminal acts,
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{\an8} hypocrisy, you know,
the public being deceived.
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All 500 of my investigations
that I've done, all 500 of them,
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fulfil the criteria in my view
that they satisfy the public interest.
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When Maz landed those huge mega scoops
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then the papers would fly off the shelves.
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Maz delivered constantly,
he was hugely valued.
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But he needed someone to watch him,
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to stop him getting out of control
because he was so focused,
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he developed a kind of tunnel vision.
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And all that mattered was winning
that next great scoop.
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[Jeremy Dein] In Tulisa's case
we had a pre-trial hearing,
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arguing that the case should not
be permitted to proceed.
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So, we were arguing that the behaviour
of Mahmood was unconscionable,
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that evidence had been gathered
in a background of lies, deceits
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and falsity.
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Their justification for the sting
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was that they claimed
they had information
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that Tulisa Contostavlos
was a drugs dealer.
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We wanted to see the information
and/or be told
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who it was that provided
that information.
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And we got nothing.
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So, a lot of the Tulisa case was wrapped
up in alleged, journalistic privilege.
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It was definitely a case of
David and Goliath, for sure.
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And there were times when
it seemed overwhelming, yeah.
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One of the nights during, I actually slept
in my chair in my chambers.
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Worked until about 4 or 5 in the morning
and just went to sleep for an hour,
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I think I went out and bought
a new shirt actually and went to court.
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You know, we knew we were up against it
in the legal arguments hearing.
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[Paul Samrai] He would put in
more effort,
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and I know this
from first-hand experience,
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he'd put in more effort
into the preparation for a court case
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than he would into the original story.
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Because the conviction effectively
validated his journalism.
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[Jeremy Dein] Mahmood and his group,
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they were as uncooperative
as they could possibly be.
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We were desperately trying to take
a statement from a very important witness,
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Mahmood's driver Alan Smith,
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and they stood in our way.
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Just after the main meeting
between Tulisa and Mahmood,
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Tulisa was offered a chauffeur driven
car home with Alan Smith as the driver.
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And she was talking about family members
being affected by drugs
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and explaining that's why
she was so anti-drugs.
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Alan Smith clearly overheard
what she was saying.
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And then we, having so bitterly
complained about that,
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they obviously gave in
and just took a statement from him.
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In which Smith said
that Tulisa spoke against drugs,
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in the car, coming back
from the Metropolitan Hotel.
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So, obviously this was,
you know, an incredible moment.
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We've now got a statement
in which her case was supported.
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So I thought, this was gold dust.
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But within 24 hours, Alan Smith
changed that part of his statement.
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The judge was just told that Alan Smith
had made a mistake.
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Well obviously, we complained
even more bitterly about that,
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but the judge's standpoint on that was,
well, that's what the witness has said.
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These are all matters for the jury
to consider in due course.
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And it was left at that.
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I remember saying to myself,
how am I going to turn this around,
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I don't know how I'm going
to turn this around.
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I'm scared for myself,
I'm scared for myself.
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[Jeremy Dein] The whole experience
of arriving at court, the trial
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was ten out of ten anxiety, tension,
stress, you know, trauma.
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There's no question about that.
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[shutters clicking]
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This was a really difficult case to win.
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The prosecutor's key arguments
were very simply put.
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She'd been exposed as a drugs dealer.
She had spoken in very clear terms
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of her willingness to supply drugs
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and that she had set up a drugs deal
which went through
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and that Mazher Mahmood was a very
experienced investigative journalist
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who had exposed this and it was in the
public interest that this should happen.
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[Jeremy Dein] Tulisa was definitely
facing a prison sentence
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between 18 months and three years.
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And as we got into the trial,
things weren't looking good.
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We went into a room
at Southwark Crown Court,
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and it was the first time
where I saw her cracking up.
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She was crying, she was
very very distressed,
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and basically saying, "The judge
is against us, we're going to lose,
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I'm going to prison, we're not getting
anywhere, it's a waste of time."
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Here was someone whose whole life
was on the brink of collapsing.
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And, I remember thinking,
well actually I agree with you.
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I actually think we are going to lose.
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I didn't say that, but it was difficult
for me to pretend otherwise.
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[Jodie Kidd] When I heard about Tulisa,
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the pain, that I knew
that she would be going through,
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{\an8}the frustration, the betrayal,
all of those things
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{\an8}definitely kind of came back up again,
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of just another person that's,
that's a victim of this man.
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When I saw the article for the first time,
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it was like total, kind of panic
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that I could have been so stupid.
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That I fell into a trap.
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You know, of course, there is a point
where I made that phone call,
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but I know what they did, and I know how
they led me into these conversations.
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I know how they manipulated things.
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You know, I know the depths
of where they went.
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About 2007 I was a successful model
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and I was 26-27 years old.
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And my brother Jack,
he was a professional polo player
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and I remember him saying
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"I've been approached by
this very very wealthy Sheikh
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that lived in Dubai."
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They had months and months
of meetings with Jack.
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Jack then says "Look he wants
to put on this event,
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"and he wants to do a polo
and a fashion event,
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"and he would really love you
to come on and to be an advisor
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"on the fashion front,
maybe do a fashion show,
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"get some of your friends along
and designers."
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And he's like "please do it'
and I said "fine."
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So, I went up to London,
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got dropped off on Park Lane,
outside of this apartment building.
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We were greeted by
the Sheikh's right-hand man,
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you know, he'll be the one
that will be organising everything.
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And then, the Sheikh walked in
and, you know, looks very regal.
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And then they said "Right,
we'll have some food."
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So, through the meal
he is talking about that,
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you know, they're going to be putting
millions into this event,
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and let's talk about dates,
so it's really positive, kind of,
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really fun, like, oh my goodness
this is gonna be great.
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And another glass of wine comes,
and we start chatting,
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and it starts becoming
a much more relaxed chat.
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His right hand man starts going into,
the Sheikh, "He loves to party,
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"Do you guys know anything about drugs?"
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Which I thought was a bit weird,
but you don't ask too many questions,
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especially if you're
from a different country,
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they have different ways,
different manners,
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so you know all those
little kind of moments
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when you go "that's a bit odd" you think
it got lost in translation along the way.
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And they started asking
about getting them drugs.
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So I was like, oh God. You know this guy
is about to change, certainly Jack's life,
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but you know, create a nice new business,
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we're all going to make some money.
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I just felt incredible pressure.
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We were trying to rack our brains
for someone who knew someone
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that knew somebody.
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And so I made a phone call.
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That's all I did.
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But it was the biggest mistake of my life.
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The saddest thing is, you know
it destroyed our family.
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I still haven't got a relationship
with my brother because of it.
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Because for me, it's been too painful.
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I have anger, my trust
went completely out the window.
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I didn't trust anyone.
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So it's had huge, huge negative effects.
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I had the most awful phone calls with
the heads of these huge companies
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that I was the face for, going,
"We've got to rip up the contract."
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So, that was a very painful moment,
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and just seeing kind of your whole,
kind of career, just disappear.
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Sorry...
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Terrible.
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[exhales deeply]
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But you know, you'd worked so hard
to build these relationships
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and these careers, my career,
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just for, just for a stupid moment
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that you were completely kind of groomed
and manipulated to make.
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It took years and years
and years and years
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to recover my career.
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Emotionally, as you can see,
it still hasn't.
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But all of those years of tears and pain
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and anger because of this man.
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{\an8}If you are going to be a celebrity
in the public eye,
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{\an8}the public have a right
to expect certain morals from you,
427
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a certain standard,
certain codes from you.
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We don't ruin their lives,
they ruin their own lives.
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00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,600
I get that repeatedly,
"You've destroyed my life."
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00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,480
I tell people, look I've not
destroyed your life
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You've destroyed your own life.
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You made these choices.
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[Paul Samrai] He was very denigrating
of celebs.
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He didn't feel a lot of them deserved
to be where they were, in the public eye.
435
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The bigger they are the harder
they fall, that was his sort of belief
436
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when he was tackling these stories.
437
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,280
Let's go for the biggest
that we can get and there you see,
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royalty, big celebs, politicians,
439
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,240
you know, all fair game to him.
440
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,800
He revelled in that.
441
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,200
{\an8}I'm a journalist, that's what we do,
we publish stories, we sell newspapers,
442
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{\an8}that's what we do,
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I'm not a police officer,
I'm not a social worker, I'm a journalist.
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[sniffing] So...
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here I am again.
446
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,840
I actually just don't even know
what to say anymore.
447
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000
I'm filming this because
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I'm so sick of people not knowing
what is really going on.
449
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,160
I really just want it all to end.
450
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,320
I don't want to be this person anymore,
I don't want to be famous anymore
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[tense music]
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[Jeremy Dein] Focusing
on Mahmood's entry into court,
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normally a witness will come in
through the public entrance,
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whereas Mahmood came in
through the judge's door,
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where he was behind a screen
on the basis that he was at risk
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because of the public interest work
that he was doing.
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And that meant that he had a status
that no other witness ever had.
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00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,000
And it just consolidated this feeling
that he was something special.
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I knew that I was sort of going
into battle with someone
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who was case-hardened,
you know, had no fear,
461
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had no restraints,
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was capable of actually saying anything
about her or me at any time.
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00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,640
His behaviour towards me was arrogant,
combative and dismissive,
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like saying your ears are so big
you should be able to hear me,
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or something like that.
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It was definitely peppered
with references to Tulisa,
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along the lines of, "Look, what you're
asking me did I say this, did I say that?
468
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,160
"Why does that matter?
She's a cocaine dealer
469
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,200
that's what you should be worried about."
That was his style of giving evidence.
470
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,800
But what Mazher Mahmood didn't know
471
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,200
is that we had come across a bombshell
472
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,840
and we were waiting to hit him with it.
473
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,320
I was astonished,
474
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,560
on the day before the cross-examination,
475
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Mahmood's driver, Alan Smith contacted us,
476
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,080
and he said, I want to speak to you.
477
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,920
He told us that Mahmood had told him
to change his statement,
478
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,640
and that there'd been emails.
479
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,160
I knew we had hit the jackpot.
480
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,560
I had decided to leave the whole topic
481
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,840
of Alan Smith's statement
until the very end.
482
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,920
Then I asked Mahmood
483
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,120
whether he'd spoken to Alan Smith
about his statement,
484
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,960
to which Mahmood responded
something like, "I might have done,
485
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,640
what's it got to do with you?"
486
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,920
Which is an astonishingly inappropriate
and disrespectful answer
487
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,480
for a witness to give.
488
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,520
I'd asked Mahmood the same thing
at the legal arguments hearing
489
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,640
and Mahmood had said no.
490
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,120
The judge instantaneously intervened
491
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,320
and effectively said to Mahmood, "You
lied to me on the legal arguments hearing,
492
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,680
"you told me that you hadn't
spoken to him,
493
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,640
"now you're saying you might have done,
tell the truth!"
494
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,640
From that moment onwards,
Mahmood was done for.
495
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,080
In those few seconds, he was wiped out.
496
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,080
The judge then turned to the prosecutor
and said, "I'm throwing this out."
497
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,440
Mahmood, he disintegrated.
498
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,400
This rude, aggressive,
dismissive, confrontational,
499
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,640
you know, all-powerful individual,
was just reduced
500
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,080
to a quivering wreck and you could see
that he was saying to himself,
501
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,200
"It's over."
502
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,280
And, you know, Tulisa was ecstatic.
503
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,840
She had genuinely thought it was lost
504
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,440
and she couldn't believe it.
505
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,800
[paparazzi] Tulisa!
506
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,160
This whole case was a horrific
and disgusting entrapment
507
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,880
by Mazher Mahmood.
508
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,160
We have now succeeded
in exposing the real culprit,
509
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,480
and most importantly, the real liar.
510
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,840
As someone who has had my life ruined
for the past year,
511
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,280
I strongly believe
that this type of entrapment
512
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,880
should not be allowed to happen to anyone.
513
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,920
[Emma Morgan] I remember being at home
and putting the news on,
514
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,760
seeing Tulisa come outside of court.
515
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,520
I remember seeing how pleased she was
that the truth was out.
516
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,160
[reporter] Tulisa walked out of court
with her name cleared.
517
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,480
Her priority now
to rebuild a battered career.
518
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,920
I was really, really, immensely proud
of what she did
519
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,800
and she basically spoke for all of us.
520
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,280
I was so, so happy for her,
521
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,160
but a little part of me did think,
wish I could have had that.
522
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,400
Oh my God.
523
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,600
How do you feel?
524
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,640
I'm so happy.
525
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,640
Oh my God,
526
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,160
oh my God.
527
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,480
I can't actually believe it's over.
I can't believe it's over.
528
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,000
It was incredibly emotional because,
as often happens in criminal proceedings,
529
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,920
you know, you're thrown together with
people you don't know and you suddenly,
530
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,080
you share this experience which
once upon a time was irrelevant
531
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,800
to your life, and now is the whole,
you know, basis of your life,
532
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,040
so it was very emotional,
I felt really pleased for her.
533
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,040
But I was also, you know,
incredibly relieved
534
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,840
that it hadn't gone wrong.
535
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,080
[reporter] The Sun on Sunday said
they are disappointed with this outcome
536
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,000
but do believe the original investigation
537
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,640
was conducted within the bounds
of the law and the industry's code.
538
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,640
[reporter] The judge ruled
there were strong grounds
539
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,200
that the undercover reporter
from the Sun on Sunday
540
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,680
had lied and manipulated evidence.
541
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,640
The paper has now suspended the man
known as The Fake Sheikh.
542
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,960
It wasn't long after that
that he was charged, which was amazing.
543
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,640
It was about time, you know, he faced
some consequences for his actions.
544
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,040
[reporter] The trial of Mazher Mahmood,
the journalist known as the Fake Sheikh,
545
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,880
has opened at the Old Bailey.
546
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,440
He and his former driver,
Alan Smith are charged
547
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,400
with perverting the course of justice
548
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,080
in relation to the trial of
the singer, Tulisa Contostavlos.
549
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,040
[Neil Wallis] I was very sad
550
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:42,960
that Maz found himself in the situation
he did and ended up on trial.
551
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,960
[reporter] Has there been any reaction
from Mazher Mahmood, Danny?
552
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,040
[Danny] We have actually had a statement
from him, delivered through his lawyers,
553
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,200
in which he says he is deeply disappointed
554
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,680
with the Crown
Prosecution Services' decision.
555
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,800
He denies the offence
and will vigorously contest it in court.
556
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,520
I went to the Old Bailey to watch.
557
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,160
I remember him arriving to court.
558
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,040
A couple of big blokes
on either side of him.
559
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,520
With his little navy blue anorak,
and his hood down over his head.
560
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,600
[reporters shouting questions]
561
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,600
You know, people shouting at him,
and he was getting ushered in,
562
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,200
and I thought, yeah great
563
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,760
because he clearly didn't like that.
564
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,120
And I thought, now you know
how it feels,
565
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,640
Tulisa had the same thing
566
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,320
when she was dragged into court.
567
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,920
[Paul Connew] When I watched
Mazher going into court,
568
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,480
I just felt this was a man
whose whole image
569
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,360
was collapsing around him.
570
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,200
The wheel had turned full circle.
571
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,200
[Emma Morgan] When I saw Mazher
in court, at the Old Bailey,
572
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,160
he looked a little bit beaten,
his shoulders were a bit hunched,
573
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,480
his head was down.
574
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,280
But I still got the feeling
575
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,480
that it was just a cold,
emotionless human, standing there.
576
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,000
[Jeremy Dein] Mahmood didn't plead guilty.
He tried to evade responsibility.
577
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,680
So, no remorse.
578
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,560
But what does in my view,
speak very loudly,
579
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,760
is that he never opened his mouth.
580
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,320
Having run around,
seeking to entrap people,
581
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,080
when it came to explaining
his own criminal acts,
582
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,360
he had nothing to say, I mean,
it's quite a state of affairs, isn't it?
583
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,000
Incredible.
584
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,520
{\an8}Now some breaking news,
we've got a verdict
585
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,880
{\an8}in the trial of the
so-called Fake Sheikh.
586
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,760
{\an8}Mazher Mahmood, accused
of tampering with evidence
587
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,320
{\an8}in the collapsed drugs trial
of the pop star, Tulisa Contostavlos.
588
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,840
{\an8}Let's go to Richard Lister
at the Old Bailey.
589
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,760
{\an8}What is the verdict, Richard?
590
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,560
{\an8}The verdict, Joanna,
is that both Mazher Mahmood
591
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,800
{\an8}the so-called fake sheikh
and his former driver, Alan Smith,
592
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,640
{\an8}have both been found guilty of conspiring
to pervert the course of justice.
593
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,160
Yes! We've nailed the bastard.
594
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,240
[journalist] Mr Mahmood, what would
you like to say to Tulisa?
595
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,160
Why did you tamper the evidence?
Would you like to apologise for Tulisa?
596
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,440
Are you sorry? What do you say to that?
597
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,280
[Emma Morgan]
When the guilty verdict came in,
598
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,680
I did feel a real sense of relief.
599
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,800
[journalist] Did you lie to get
a front-page headline?
600
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,680
What do you say to that?
Mr Mahmood what's your reaction?
601
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,080
[Emma Morgan] I didn't quite realise
until that point
602
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,520
how much that would actually mean to me.
603
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,840
Him getting that guilty,
I almost felt like I'd been vindicated.
604
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,000
[reporter] Mazher Mahmood, the man
better known as The Fake Sheikh
605
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,000
is beginning a fifteen-month
jail sentence tonight.
606
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:41,960
{\an8}The way people turned against him
for me was probably the hardest thing.
607
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,280
[reporter] Mahmood has now been sacked
by his employer, News UK,
608
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,840
owned by Rupert Murdoch.
609
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,960
Everyone who built him up
to be who he was
610
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:56,440
let him fall.
611
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,440
For him, having to lose the status,
612
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,640
the reputation,
613
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,720
must have been very, very difficult.
614
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,360
In an instant,
615
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,600
you know, it was gone.
616
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:25,680
[Paul Samrai] He would hate for that
to be what he's remembered for most.
617
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,360
Is going to prison.
618
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,880
That's the killer,
the absolute killer for him
619
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,840
because it wipes away
Journalist of the Year,
620
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,120
Scoop of the Year you know,
it wipes away all of those awards.
621
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,400
And it's a shame
622
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,120
because there was good stuff that he did.
623
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,560
So much top-notch journalism
624
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,320
is forgotten
625
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,680
because of what happened
at the end of his career.
626
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,320
I wondered, if he'd been
more closely supervised
627
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,080
all the way through his career,
628
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,080
whether it would have happened?
629
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,440
Maybe Maz was failed to some extent.
630
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,160
Mazher Mahmood, for me,
during his 30-year career,
631
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,000
masqueraded as a good guy,
632
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:34,360
when in fact he was just an evil, evil,
life-wrecker, career-wrecker.
633
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,600
He just didn't care.
He would do whatever he had to do
634
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,600
to get the story,
and that's not journalism.
635
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600
[Paul Samrai] He used to go out
doing a story
636
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:53,520
intending it to be the front page.
637
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,840
The end justifies the means.
638
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,640
And that should be his motto.
639
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Even if it means destroying,
or attempting to destroy someone's life,
640
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,200
like Tulisa.
641
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,320
He has no sense of guilt, no conscience,
642
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,080
no morality.
643
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,120
[Paul Samrai] When he was
released from prison,
644
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,680
he disappeared.
645
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,400
There's enormous interest to find out
where he is and what he's doing.
646
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,120
And to expose him.
647
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,520
But nobody knows where he is.
648
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,040
He's clever.
649
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,040
He's clever. He would survive.
650
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,680
[Paul Samrai] There was some rumour that
he was freelancing under another name.
651
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Working at another newspaper.
652
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,360
But nobody really knows.
653
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,880
Again, clouded in secrecy.
654
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,440
And that, probably, is where
he feels most comfortable.
655
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,800
[Emily Maitlis] Are you very fond
of your Fake Sheikh robes?
656
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,880
[Mazher Mahmood] I am yeah,
I've had a lot of fun with it.
657
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,840
And all the trappings of the Sheikh,
it's such a polished performance.
658
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,200
You get away with it.
659
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,240
You use that phrase, we get away with it.
660
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,080
Do you ever feel a little bit
uncomfortable in your own skin
661
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,600
- that this is the way you operate?
- Not at all.
662
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,320
I'm proud of what I do,
I wouldn't do it otherwise.
663
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:01,600
[Emily Maitlis] Mazher Mahmood,
thanks very much indeed.
664
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,800
[Mazher Mahmood]
Pleasure.
665
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,800
[end credit music]