1 00:00:29,781 --> 00:00:31,157 - [Director] Three, two. 2 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:35,411 - Thank you so much for watching "Barney and Friends" 3 00:00:35,453 --> 00:00:36,496 on PBS. 4 00:00:36,537 --> 00:00:37,914 And as Barney says, 5 00:00:37,955 --> 00:00:40,833 anything is possible when you use your imagination. 6 00:00:40,875 --> 00:00:42,794 So thank you very much for your support. 7 00:00:42,835 --> 00:00:44,504 We believe in public broadcasting 8 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:45,838 and we believe in you. 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:46,631 Thank you. 10 00:00:48,674 --> 00:00:49,634 Is that too corny? 11 00:00:50,301 --> 00:00:51,135 (eerie music) - [Director] Five, 12 00:00:51,177 --> 00:00:52,720 four, 13 00:00:52,762 --> 00:00:54,389 three. 14 00:00:54,430 --> 00:00:56,599 - The message to love, to love everyone. 15 00:00:56,641 --> 00:00:57,475 - Barney! 16 00:00:58,726 --> 00:00:59,936 - That "I love you, you love me" no matter what, 17 00:00:59,977 --> 00:01:01,437 no matter who you are, 18 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:02,772 just resonates. 19 00:01:02,814 --> 00:01:04,774 - [Bob] We were a great big family, 20 00:01:04,816 --> 00:01:07,902 and Sheryl Leach was just everybody's mom. 21 00:01:07,944 --> 00:01:09,821 Especially Barney's mom. 22 00:01:09,862 --> 00:01:12,865 - Sheryl created Barney for her son, Patrick. 23 00:01:12,907 --> 00:01:15,326 - Patrick, the reason we're all here. 24 00:01:16,702 --> 00:01:19,497 - I don't think that they could have predicted 25 00:01:19,539 --> 00:01:22,792 the success and how it was going to impact their family. 26 00:01:23,793 --> 00:01:27,255 - We had absolutely no clue what was coming. 27 00:01:27,296 --> 00:01:28,798 - Die, you commie (bleeps). 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,258 (gun fires) 29 00:01:30,299 --> 00:01:32,343 - Kids love him, a lot of adults, eh. 30 00:01:34,637 --> 00:01:37,348 - He is intensely irritating. 31 00:01:37,390 --> 00:01:38,850 - You're all very special. 32 00:01:38,891 --> 00:01:40,810 - I hate him, I hate him with a passion. 33 00:01:40,852 --> 00:01:41,978 - I don't know of any other show 34 00:01:42,019 --> 00:01:44,814 that has inspired Jihadists. 35 00:01:44,856 --> 00:01:48,317 - To the people who own Barney the Dinosaur, 36 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:49,402 y'all can go to hell. 37 00:01:50,611 --> 00:01:53,364 - Things started just going insane. 38 00:01:53,406 --> 00:01:54,782 - I'm not gonna take this. 39 00:01:54,824 --> 00:01:56,033 This is my show. 40 00:01:56,075 --> 00:01:59,912 - I don't understand why people get so worked up. 41 00:01:59,954 --> 00:02:02,832 It's a children's show! 42 00:02:02,874 --> 00:02:06,002 - Three boys attacked a man dressed up as Barney. 43 00:02:06,044 --> 00:02:10,339 - They said, "Is it true Barney molested y'all?" 44 00:02:10,381 --> 00:02:12,967 - Something that doesn't have any cracks or flaws, 45 00:02:13,009 --> 00:02:14,969 we can't trust that. 46 00:02:15,011 --> 00:02:17,430 - Barney is purple, and soft, 47 00:02:17,472 --> 00:02:18,389 and is vulnerable. 48 00:02:21,517 --> 00:02:23,895 And there's like, homophobia that goes along with that. 49 00:02:23,936 --> 00:02:27,732 - I got dismemberment of my family emails 50 00:02:27,774 --> 00:02:29,776 because of my music. 51 00:02:29,817 --> 00:02:30,860 - [News Anchor] It's believed the Pentagon 52 00:02:30,902 --> 00:02:32,070 forced prisoners at Gitmo 53 00:02:32,111 --> 00:02:34,864 to listen to Barney for 24 straight hours. 54 00:02:34,906 --> 00:02:37,700 * I love you * 55 00:02:37,742 --> 00:02:39,494 - [News Anchor] After playing Barney for 10 years, 56 00:02:39,535 --> 00:02:43,706 he's working as a tantric sex guru. 57 00:02:43,748 --> 00:02:45,374 (David breathes heavily) 58 00:02:45,416 --> 00:02:46,834 - Hey, it's supposed to be fun, you guys. 59 00:02:46,876 --> 00:02:48,544 It's children's television. 60 00:02:49,545 --> 00:02:51,506 - Did we hit a nerve 61 00:02:51,547 --> 00:02:53,925 at the dawn of the social media era? 62 00:02:55,551 --> 00:02:58,930 Where the world learned to love the hate? 63 00:02:59,931 --> 00:03:01,808 - There was laser focus on her. 64 00:03:01,849 --> 00:03:03,684 Everybody was dissecting everything she did. 65 00:03:03,726 --> 00:03:05,937 - Have you and your husband ever looked at each other 66 00:03:05,978 --> 00:03:07,605 and said, "Honey, can we survive?" 67 00:03:09,023 --> 00:03:11,484 - The phrase "every mother's nightmare" comes to mind. 68 00:03:12,944 --> 00:03:15,405 - [News Anchor] In a Malibu neighborhood known for wealth, 69 00:03:15,446 --> 00:03:18,950 a dispute between neighbors gets down and dirty. 70 00:03:20,368 --> 00:03:23,371 - The bullet went through his chest and out his shoulder. 71 00:03:23,413 --> 00:03:25,665 - The defendant's connection was ironic 72 00:03:25,706 --> 00:03:28,876 given that Barney is this children's character. 73 00:03:32,130 --> 00:03:32,964 - Yeah. 74 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:35,883 I don't know if you were talking about that or not, 75 00:03:35,925 --> 00:03:36,759 but I do. 76 00:03:43,766 --> 00:03:44,642 - It's feeding. 77 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:46,728 - [Trent] It's feeding. 78 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:48,896 - You're good, Trent. 79 00:03:48,938 --> 00:03:49,939 It's set. 80 00:03:49,981 --> 00:03:50,982 - [Trent] Go for it! 81 00:03:52,066 --> 00:03:53,735 One, common mark. 82 00:04:04,078 --> 00:04:05,788 - This is gonna give some people nightmares 83 00:04:05,830 --> 00:04:06,998 when they hear this on piano. 84 00:04:09,167 --> 00:04:11,794 (plays note) 85 00:04:13,671 --> 00:04:14,672 - [Interviewer] I got one thing for you. 86 00:04:14,714 --> 00:04:16,007 - Yes, sir. 87 00:04:16,049 --> 00:04:17,383 - [Interviewer] Can I have you stand right here 88 00:04:17,425 --> 00:04:17,925 and sing "I Love You, You Love Me"? 89 00:04:17,967 --> 00:04:19,093 - No. 90 00:04:19,135 --> 00:04:20,094 (interviewer laughs) 91 00:04:20,136 --> 00:04:21,471 (plays "I Love You, You Love Me") 92 00:04:21,512 --> 00:04:22,930 - There's no way I'm doing that. 93 00:04:22,972 --> 00:04:24,640 Are you kidding me? 94 00:04:24,682 --> 00:04:27,101 - I would absolutely not care to sing that song. 95 00:04:27,143 --> 00:04:27,977 - No. 96 00:04:29,395 --> 00:04:31,522 - Okay, I'll give it a try. 97 00:04:31,564 --> 00:04:35,485 (Lauren clears throat) 98 00:04:35,526 --> 00:04:37,153 * I love you * 99 00:04:37,195 --> 00:04:40,615 * You love me * 100 00:04:40,656 --> 00:04:42,784 * We're a happy * 101 00:04:42,825 --> 00:04:44,702 * Family * 102 00:04:44,744 --> 00:04:46,037 - That's all I know. 103 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:47,413 (crew laughs) 104 00:04:47,455 --> 00:04:49,665 * With a great big hug * 105 00:04:49,707 --> 00:04:52,001 * And a kiss from me to you * 106 00:04:52,043 --> 00:04:53,127 (blows kiss) 107 00:04:53,169 --> 00:04:54,462 * Won't you say * 108 00:04:54,504 --> 00:04:57,131 * You love me too * 109 00:05:02,053 --> 00:05:04,389 - [Interviewer] How does it feel to play that song? 110 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:07,141 - On this piano, it's like death. 111 00:05:07,183 --> 00:05:10,395 (interviewer laughs) 112 00:05:10,436 --> 00:05:12,522 * I love you * 113 00:05:12,563 --> 00:05:14,065 * You love me * 114 00:05:14,107 --> 00:05:15,983 - Barney really was 115 00:05:17,068 --> 00:05:21,114 dramatically and remarkably kid focused. 116 00:05:21,155 --> 00:05:22,740 With a preschool kid, 117 00:05:22,782 --> 00:05:25,701 repetition represents safety. 118 00:05:25,743 --> 00:05:26,994 They wanna hear the same song, 119 00:05:27,036 --> 00:05:28,913 they wanna hear the same story. 120 00:05:28,955 --> 00:05:31,040 - Our fun and learning never ends! 121 00:05:31,082 --> 00:05:32,041 Never ends! 122 00:05:32,083 --> 00:05:33,126 Never ends! 123 00:05:33,167 --> 00:05:35,044 - That's safe to them 124 00:05:35,086 --> 00:05:36,671 and it reaches kids. 125 00:05:36,713 --> 00:05:37,797 Grownups, 126 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,173 not so much. 127 00:05:39,215 --> 00:05:41,050 The stuff that's for a three year old 128 00:05:41,092 --> 00:05:43,594 will drive a grownup crazy. 129 00:05:44,929 --> 00:05:48,599 - [Andrew] Barney transports me back into a time 130 00:05:48,641 --> 00:05:51,811 when I didn't have any worries or cares in the world. 131 00:05:51,853 --> 00:05:52,854 And, 132 00:05:54,105 --> 00:05:55,606 I love it, I love Barney. 133 00:05:56,941 --> 00:05:58,151 My name is Andrew Olsen 134 00:05:58,192 --> 00:06:01,112 and I run the "Barney History Fans" website. 135 00:06:01,154 --> 00:06:04,198 There's a lot of misconception around Barney fandom. 136 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,200 You know, we're all weird, we're all freaks. 137 00:06:06,242 --> 00:06:08,494 Anything that's just, you know, a stereotype. 138 00:06:08,536 --> 00:06:10,037 We all grew up watching Barney 139 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:14,041 and there's no problem with letting him be 140 00:06:14,083 --> 00:06:15,793 your friend through life. 141 00:06:16,961 --> 00:06:18,921 I'm friends with a lot of Barney fans, 142 00:06:18,963 --> 00:06:21,007 and even a lot of crew and cast members, 143 00:06:21,049 --> 00:06:24,135 and I've even talked to the creator of Barney. 144 00:06:24,177 --> 00:06:27,055 And that's really where the story begins. 145 00:06:27,096 --> 00:06:28,806 Sheryl Leach. 146 00:06:28,848 --> 00:06:32,185 (soft orchestral music) 147 00:06:36,314 --> 00:06:38,858 - Can you imagine what the odds were 148 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:42,111 that not from New York, and not from LA, 149 00:06:42,153 --> 00:06:45,156 but from a little town called Allen, Texas, 150 00:06:46,324 --> 00:06:48,993 a group of people came up with an idea 151 00:06:49,035 --> 00:06:52,246 that now is the number one most watched 152 00:06:52,288 --> 00:06:54,165 children's television program. 153 00:06:55,666 --> 00:06:58,169 - I went to high school with Sheryl Leach. 154 00:06:58,211 --> 00:07:00,922 I'm from a Christian background 155 00:07:00,963 --> 00:07:04,217 and we kept the same moral code. 156 00:07:06,219 --> 00:07:10,640 Sheryl had just a wild, crazy sense of humor. 157 00:07:10,681 --> 00:07:11,808 - [News Anchor 3] And here is Sheryl Leach. 158 00:07:11,849 --> 00:07:12,683 Hi, Sheryl. 159 00:07:13,601 --> 00:07:14,852 How are you? 160 00:07:14,894 --> 00:07:17,230 - That's what drew me to her, I guess. 161 00:07:18,898 --> 00:07:21,192 - [Andrew] Sheryl had taught school for seven years 162 00:07:21,234 --> 00:07:24,112 before accepting a job for a company 163 00:07:24,153 --> 00:07:26,114 called Developmental Learning Materials, 164 00:07:26,155 --> 00:07:27,657 or DLM. 165 00:07:27,698 --> 00:07:29,075 It was a family-run business 166 00:07:29,117 --> 00:07:30,660 run by the Leach family. 167 00:07:30,701 --> 00:07:33,079 It was during this time that she ran into Jim Leach. 168 00:07:33,121 --> 00:07:35,039 Jim and Sheryl dated, 169 00:07:35,081 --> 00:07:36,916 and they eventually got married. 170 00:07:38,292 --> 00:07:39,836 By 1986, 171 00:07:39,877 --> 00:07:41,671 Sheryl's son, Patrick was born 172 00:07:41,713 --> 00:07:45,258 and she decided that she wanted to be a stay at home mom. 173 00:07:45,299 --> 00:07:47,176 - She's been called Barney's mom 174 00:07:47,218 --> 00:07:50,555 and I think she'd be proud to be identified as such. 175 00:07:50,596 --> 00:07:54,726 Come in here, Mrs. Leach. (audience applauds) 176 00:07:56,102 --> 00:07:58,312 - [Shelley] I don't feel like she was a career woman. 177 00:07:58,354 --> 00:08:00,189 I don't think that was her goal in life. 178 00:08:00,231 --> 00:08:01,274 - Well, here you are, 179 00:08:01,315 --> 00:08:03,776 suburban mother of how many? 180 00:08:03,818 --> 00:08:05,153 - Mother of one. - [Phil] Mother of one. 181 00:08:05,194 --> 00:08:06,195 - And Barney, of course. 182 00:08:06,237 --> 00:08:07,321 - Yes. (Sheryl chuckles) 183 00:08:07,363 --> 00:08:09,157 - She was a mom 184 00:08:09,198 --> 00:08:11,784 and she loved being a mom. 185 00:08:11,826 --> 00:08:13,202 - Well, the first logical question, 186 00:08:13,244 --> 00:08:15,580 how exactly did you come up with Barney? 187 00:08:15,621 --> 00:08:17,707 - Well, that's an easy one to answer. 188 00:08:17,749 --> 00:08:21,377 I was a mom at home with a very active two year old, 189 00:08:21,419 --> 00:08:24,047 always looking for things that would keep him busy, 190 00:08:24,088 --> 00:08:26,924 but would also give me time to do things. 191 00:08:26,966 --> 00:08:29,218 - I babysat for Patrick Leach. 192 00:08:29,260 --> 00:08:32,055 He was always just super high energy, 193 00:08:32,096 --> 00:08:34,724 wanting to go from one activity to the next. 194 00:08:34,766 --> 00:08:37,602 A precocious, curious, 195 00:08:37,643 --> 00:08:38,895 active little boy. 196 00:08:40,229 --> 00:08:41,898 - And the more I searched, 197 00:08:41,939 --> 00:08:43,900 the more I realized that there were not many things 198 00:08:43,941 --> 00:08:46,277 on the market that held the attention of a two year old. 199 00:08:46,319 --> 00:08:47,987 - In the world today, 200 00:08:48,029 --> 00:08:50,907 there's so much content for preschoolers. 201 00:08:50,948 --> 00:08:52,325 In the late '80s, 202 00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:55,411 it was a very different media landscape. 203 00:08:55,453 --> 00:08:57,038 - [Announcer] Bright and early weekday mornings 204 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:57,955 on Nick Jr. 205 00:08:57,997 --> 00:09:01,167 - Back then, there was Nick Jr., 206 00:09:01,209 --> 00:09:02,377 PBS, 207 00:09:02,418 --> 00:09:06,631 and the major networks' kids blocks. 208 00:09:07,256 --> 00:09:09,092 That was it. 209 00:09:09,133 --> 00:09:10,426 There were very, very few hits 210 00:09:10,468 --> 00:09:13,262 and very, very little content 211 00:09:13,304 --> 00:09:16,140 that was developmentally appropriate for that age. 212 00:09:17,767 --> 00:09:20,311 - Cobra just went bust. 213 00:09:20,353 --> 00:09:22,688 - Sheryl went to the video store, 214 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:24,857 tried to find something that 215 00:09:24,899 --> 00:09:26,401 would capture Patrick's attention. 216 00:09:30,446 --> 00:09:32,031 - [Sheryl] I found a video out on the market 217 00:09:32,073 --> 00:09:34,784 called "Wee Sing Together." 218 00:09:34,826 --> 00:09:37,203 * The more we sing together * 219 00:09:37,245 --> 00:09:38,413 * Together * 220 00:09:38,454 --> 00:09:40,206 * Together * 221 00:09:40,248 --> 00:09:42,083 - [Sheryl] And Patrick just loved it. 222 00:09:43,042 --> 00:09:44,419 * The happier we'll be * 223 00:09:44,460 --> 00:09:47,338 - [Andrew] You know, the premise was this stuffed mouse 224 00:09:47,380 --> 00:09:49,340 and this stuffed bear. 225 00:09:49,382 --> 00:09:51,426 At night, they come to life. 226 00:09:53,928 --> 00:09:55,304 It's terrifying. 227 00:09:55,346 --> 00:09:57,682 * The more we sing together * 228 00:09:57,724 --> 00:09:59,016 - [Andrew] Patrick was, you know, 229 00:09:59,058 --> 00:10:01,060 a typical two year old and, you know, 230 00:10:01,102 --> 00:10:03,187 Patrick would play it over and over and over again, 231 00:10:03,229 --> 00:10:04,105 watching this. 232 00:10:04,981 --> 00:10:08,067 - Round and round we swing. 233 00:10:08,109 --> 00:10:10,278 - I started thinking wouldn't it be great 234 00:10:10,319 --> 00:10:12,822 if there was a video that was strong enough 235 00:10:12,864 --> 00:10:16,367 or tailor-made for the preschool audience 236 00:10:16,409 --> 00:10:19,162 that would hold his attention. 237 00:10:19,203 --> 00:10:22,039 - Sheryl is not a passive thinker. 238 00:10:23,374 --> 00:10:27,211 Sheryl goes, why don't I create my own television show? 239 00:10:28,046 --> 00:10:29,797 I'll put the aspects that worked 240 00:10:29,839 --> 00:10:31,174 in "Wee Sing Together" 241 00:10:31,215 --> 00:10:33,176 and add in some educational elements 242 00:10:33,217 --> 00:10:34,469 from my own training. 243 00:10:34,510 --> 00:10:38,014 - I didn't have a background in video at all, 244 00:10:38,056 --> 00:10:40,349 but I thought, you know, how hard can it be? 245 00:10:40,391 --> 00:10:42,393 I'll try to learn what I need to do 246 00:10:42,435 --> 00:10:43,895 to be able to do the video. 247 00:10:47,231 --> 00:10:49,275 - [Pat] Sheryl's father-in-law, Dick Leach, 248 00:10:49,317 --> 00:10:52,195 he had the video production studio, 249 00:10:52,236 --> 00:10:55,239 and he hired me as the head writer for that. 250 00:10:55,281 --> 00:10:58,201 My lifelong dream had been to write for David Letterman. 251 00:10:58,242 --> 00:11:00,912 But both of my parents developed cancer 252 00:11:00,953 --> 00:11:02,497 and I had to come back to Texas, 253 00:11:02,538 --> 00:11:06,876 so I had to find other ways to write comedy from here. 254 00:11:06,918 --> 00:11:09,087 Dick Leach called me into his office 255 00:11:09,128 --> 00:11:12,298 and he had the treatments that Sheryl had given him. 256 00:11:12,340 --> 00:11:13,174 He said, 257 00:11:14,384 --> 00:11:16,844 "Take these and make something filmable." 258 00:11:16,886 --> 00:11:18,054 So... 259 00:11:18,096 --> 00:11:19,472 - When Sheryl came to me with the idea, 260 00:11:19,514 --> 00:11:21,349 I said, "Bingo!" 261 00:11:21,391 --> 00:11:25,103 I just said, Sheryl, I have a crew ready to help you. 262 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:28,523 - [Pat] The original treatments that I saw, 263 00:11:28,564 --> 00:11:29,690 they were very rough. 264 00:11:29,732 --> 00:11:32,068 It wasn't even Barney the Dinosaur yet. 265 00:11:32,110 --> 00:11:35,446 If I recall, it had different toys coming to life. 266 00:11:35,488 --> 00:11:37,031 One was a bear, I think, 267 00:11:37,073 --> 00:11:38,908 one was a clown doll. 268 00:11:38,950 --> 00:11:41,244 (eerie music) 269 00:11:41,285 --> 00:11:43,246 I didn't want to do the clown doll. 270 00:11:43,287 --> 00:11:45,081 (Pat laughs) 271 00:11:45,123 --> 00:11:45,957 - Well, in the beginning, 272 00:11:45,998 --> 00:11:46,833 in the first scripts, 273 00:11:46,874 --> 00:11:48,418 Barney was a teddy bear. 274 00:11:48,459 --> 00:11:52,547 And then the Traveling Dinosaur Exhibit was touring Dallas. 275 00:11:54,298 --> 00:11:56,551 My little boy, Patrick, loved dinosaurs. 276 00:11:56,592 --> 00:11:58,052 I remember him saying, 277 00:11:58,094 --> 00:12:00,513 "How about a dinosaur instead of a teddy bear?" 278 00:12:01,973 --> 00:12:04,517 - [Bill] Kids of all ages are fascinated with dinosaurs. 279 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,269 Of course. 280 00:12:06,310 --> 00:12:07,270 They're monsters. 281 00:12:08,229 --> 00:12:09,939 They're vicious. 282 00:12:09,981 --> 00:12:11,441 High stakes lifestyle. 283 00:12:12,525 --> 00:12:15,319 (dinosaur roars) 284 00:12:17,321 --> 00:12:21,033 - Sheryl knew if this is gonna work, 285 00:12:21,075 --> 00:12:22,827 no sharp teeth, 286 00:12:22,869 --> 00:12:23,536 no claws, 287 00:12:23,578 --> 00:12:25,496 no spikes, no talons. 288 00:12:25,538 --> 00:12:27,582 You know, this has to be a friendly, inviting, 289 00:12:27,623 --> 00:12:29,292 soft, cuddly dinosaur. 290 00:12:30,501 --> 00:12:33,087 - [Pat] They were going to make three videos 291 00:12:33,129 --> 00:12:35,590 and when I was working on my versions of the scripts, 292 00:12:36,507 --> 00:12:38,176 I was envisioning Barney 293 00:12:38,217 --> 00:12:39,927 really inspired by the character, 294 00:12:39,969 --> 00:12:42,472 you're gonna hang to your hat for this, 295 00:12:42,513 --> 00:12:44,557 Bruce Willis in "Moonlighting." 296 00:12:44,599 --> 00:12:46,100 (Bruce singing) 297 00:12:46,142 --> 00:12:47,977 Kind of a fun, wise-cracking kind of guy. 298 00:12:48,019 --> 00:12:49,228 - Whoops. 299 00:12:49,270 --> 00:12:50,146 - [Pat] Who lit up the room. 300 00:12:50,188 --> 00:12:51,439 - I like to look at naked women. 301 00:12:51,481 --> 00:12:52,899 You know what they say, 302 00:12:52,940 --> 00:12:54,150 the bigger the cushion... - Stop it! 303 00:12:55,359 --> 00:12:57,945 - That didn't really survive the rewrites. 304 00:12:57,987 --> 00:12:59,447 I got a letter firing me. 305 00:12:59,489 --> 00:13:03,284 It said, "We have decided that you have a creative spirit 306 00:13:03,326 --> 00:13:05,536 that cannot be contained." 307 00:13:05,578 --> 00:13:07,580 (Pat laughs) 308 00:13:07,622 --> 00:13:08,623 You know, you don't want your head writer 309 00:13:08,664 --> 00:13:09,624 to be too creative. 310 00:13:10,792 --> 00:13:12,585 - Instead, Sheryl worked with her friend 311 00:13:12,627 --> 00:13:14,670 and fellow educator, Kathy Parker, 312 00:13:14,712 --> 00:13:18,424 along with a producer at DLM, Dennis DeShazer, 313 00:13:18,466 --> 00:13:20,676 in order to bring her vision to life. 314 00:13:20,718 --> 00:13:23,513 - Barney was written to really connect 315 00:13:23,554 --> 00:13:25,515 right to children. 316 00:13:25,556 --> 00:13:28,976 We want adults to approve of what we do, 317 00:13:29,018 --> 00:13:30,436 but it's really not for adults, 318 00:13:30,478 --> 00:13:31,896 it's just for kids. - Right. 319 00:13:33,106 --> 00:13:34,524 - They took out the humor 320 00:13:34,565 --> 00:13:37,151 and made it much more oriented towards small children, 321 00:13:37,193 --> 00:13:40,071 not something adults can watch without going crazy. 322 00:13:41,239 --> 00:13:42,615 They had a thing they wanted to do, 323 00:13:42,657 --> 00:13:44,117 and they did it. 324 00:13:44,158 --> 00:13:46,494 - Barney gives an unconditional type of love 325 00:13:46,536 --> 00:13:49,247 that children seem to realize 326 00:13:49,288 --> 00:13:50,665 when they see him 327 00:13:50,706 --> 00:13:52,583 and think that not only children need this, 328 00:13:52,625 --> 00:13:54,252 but adults need it as well. 329 00:13:55,628 --> 00:13:57,672 - I think that having positive feelings about ourselves 330 00:13:57,714 --> 00:14:00,216 is the whole jam 331 00:14:00,258 --> 00:14:03,553 and I think that's what the best of kids' TV 332 00:14:03,594 --> 00:14:04,595 tries to help us do. 333 00:14:05,805 --> 00:14:08,516 That is the point of something like Barney. 334 00:14:08,558 --> 00:14:10,560 - Well, hopefully the world will be a better place someday 335 00:14:10,601 --> 00:14:11,561 because of Barney. 336 00:14:12,812 --> 00:14:15,398 - Sheryl created Barney with all of her heart. 337 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,483 And it took off really, really fast. 338 00:14:21,404 --> 00:14:23,030 - Is this really happening? 339 00:14:23,781 --> 00:14:25,533 (crowd cheers) 340 00:14:25,575 --> 00:14:28,578 - [Lori] But I think that definitely impacted their family. 341 00:14:28,619 --> 00:14:29,704 In a negative way. 342 00:14:48,806 --> 00:14:50,641 - I'm just tensing up here. 343 00:14:53,311 --> 00:14:56,272 I'm Bob West and I was the original voice of Barney 344 00:14:56,314 --> 00:14:59,650 from 1988 to about 2000. 345 00:14:59,692 --> 00:15:02,278 (whimsical music) 346 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,154 Growing up, 347 00:15:03,821 --> 00:15:05,615 I was a weird kid. 348 00:15:05,656 --> 00:15:07,700 I was a really weird kid. 349 00:15:07,742 --> 00:15:08,618 Sorry. 350 00:15:08,659 --> 00:15:11,579 Just a total, outright nerd. 351 00:15:12,789 --> 00:15:16,542 I did a lot of noises and voices and stuff. 352 00:15:16,584 --> 00:15:20,129 I did lots of accents and dialogues. 353 00:15:20,171 --> 00:15:21,381 And so, I thought, well, you know, 354 00:15:21,422 --> 00:15:23,508 maybe I can get paid for this. 355 00:15:23,549 --> 00:15:25,760 (cheerful rock music) 356 00:15:25,802 --> 00:15:28,763 I started in voiceover really doing commercials mostly. 357 00:15:29,806 --> 00:15:31,349 It was, you know, 358 00:15:31,391 --> 00:15:34,268 "Now at McDonald's, come on in for a deal on such and such!" 359 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:35,812 You know, that sort of thing. 360 00:15:35,853 --> 00:15:38,439 Then I did "Chuck-E-Cheese." 361 00:15:38,481 --> 00:15:41,442 I ended up getting cast as Jasper and Pasqually. 362 00:15:42,276 --> 00:15:43,486 Jasper T. Jowls, 363 00:15:43,528 --> 00:15:45,780 he's the dog that plays the banjo. 364 00:15:46,864 --> 00:15:48,157 Pasqually, the Italian tenor, 365 00:15:48,199 --> 00:15:49,742 he's sings, ah! 366 00:15:49,784 --> 00:15:51,202 You know, that sort of thing. 367 00:15:53,788 --> 00:15:56,749 Getting the role of the voice of Barney, 368 00:15:56,791 --> 00:15:59,252 it started out as just another audition. 369 00:15:59,293 --> 00:16:01,254 - [Woman] And sign in over here as well. 370 00:16:01,295 --> 00:16:02,714 - [Bob] It was 1988 371 00:16:02,755 --> 00:16:06,634 and I came up with a voice, 372 00:16:06,676 --> 00:16:08,636 just, like, right off the top of my head. 373 00:16:09,887 --> 00:16:12,765 This is Barney and this is what he sounded like. 374 00:16:12,807 --> 00:16:13,725 (Bob laughs) 375 00:16:13,766 --> 00:16:15,560 Oh, what a workout! 376 00:16:17,270 --> 00:16:20,606 That was kind of the placement of the voice at the time. 377 00:16:20,648 --> 00:16:21,899 Hi, everybody! 378 00:16:21,941 --> 00:16:23,234 - [Kids] Hi, Barney! 379 00:16:23,276 --> 00:16:24,444 - They said, 380 00:16:24,485 --> 00:16:26,362 "We really like your voice a lot, 381 00:16:26,404 --> 00:16:29,741 but we've already started building this costume." 382 00:16:29,782 --> 00:16:32,326 So they decided to try to find somebody shorter 383 00:16:32,368 --> 00:16:34,287 to do the costume work, 384 00:16:34,328 --> 00:16:35,830 and then I would do the voice. 385 00:16:39,792 --> 00:16:41,127 - My name's David Voss, 386 00:16:41,169 --> 00:16:43,921 I was the original first body of Barney the Dinosaur. 387 00:16:45,339 --> 00:16:48,551 When I got the audition for Barney, 388 00:16:49,427 --> 00:16:50,845 I was part of a mime troupe. 389 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:55,808 So when I did my audition, 390 00:16:55,850 --> 00:16:57,393 I auditioned as a mime. 391 00:17:01,898 --> 00:17:04,609 And that's how they could see that I could move 392 00:17:05,818 --> 00:17:07,361 as well as act at the same time. 393 00:17:11,532 --> 00:17:13,326 - Here we go, gang. 394 00:17:13,367 --> 00:17:14,243 In five, 395 00:17:14,285 --> 00:17:14,869 four, 396 00:17:14,911 --> 00:17:16,329 three, 397 00:17:16,370 --> 00:17:17,622 two. 398 00:17:17,663 --> 00:17:18,456 * If you're happy and you know it * 399 00:17:18,498 --> 00:17:20,583 * Stamp your feet * 400 00:17:20,625 --> 00:17:21,501 Action. 401 00:17:21,542 --> 00:17:22,960 - [Bob] Like a lot of projects, 402 00:17:23,002 --> 00:17:24,629 it started out very small, 403 00:17:24,670 --> 00:17:26,339 had a low budget. 404 00:17:26,381 --> 00:17:28,800 That was the phase where Barney was very blue. 405 00:17:28,841 --> 00:17:30,885 - Oh, look at that, Barney! 406 00:17:30,927 --> 00:17:33,471 - Barney actually wasn't blue, 407 00:17:33,513 --> 00:17:35,848 it just looked blue on camera. 408 00:17:35,890 --> 00:17:37,350 But yeah, it was heavy. 409 00:17:38,935 --> 00:17:39,977 Lot of bruises at first. 410 00:17:40,019 --> 00:17:41,938 But bruises I love to get, so... 411 00:17:41,979 --> 00:17:42,897 (David laughs) 412 00:17:42,939 --> 00:17:43,981 So it's cool. 413 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,859 - [Bob] And 'cause it was the kind of thing 414 00:17:46,901 --> 00:17:48,945 that they had never produced before, 415 00:17:48,986 --> 00:17:50,738 we all worked together, you know, 416 00:17:50,780 --> 00:17:51,572 we really did. 417 00:17:51,614 --> 00:17:52,448 - Barney! 418 00:17:54,325 --> 00:17:56,869 - Talk about a ma and pa operation. 419 00:17:56,911 --> 00:17:58,538 Man, oh, man. 420 00:17:58,579 --> 00:18:01,332 "The Science Guy" show was a little bit the same way. 421 00:18:01,374 --> 00:18:03,376 This kind of television 422 00:18:03,418 --> 00:18:05,878 where it's just a few people in a warehouse 423 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,463 making a show. 424 00:18:07,505 --> 00:18:09,757 I was just trying to write jokes 425 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:12,468 and trying to perform on camera 426 00:18:12,510 --> 00:18:14,971 and trying to stay solvent. 427 00:18:17,598 --> 00:18:21,269 - [Bob] There were so many really talented people involved. 428 00:18:21,310 --> 00:18:22,937 - I think I was nine when I started. 429 00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:25,940 I remember being around nine. 430 00:18:27,442 --> 00:18:29,902 - They just asked me, "Do you wanna play with Barney?" 431 00:18:29,944 --> 00:18:31,821 And I said, "Yeah! 432 00:18:31,863 --> 00:18:33,698 Yeah, that'd be awesome!" 433 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:35,992 - I started in '88. 434 00:18:36,033 --> 00:18:37,910 You know how many girls that I got? 435 00:18:37,952 --> 00:18:39,662 Oh, my god. 436 00:18:39,704 --> 00:18:41,914 - I asked Sheryl, "Out of all those writers, 437 00:18:41,956 --> 00:18:44,292 why did you only pick me?" 438 00:18:44,333 --> 00:18:46,044 And she said, "Because you're the only one 439 00:18:46,085 --> 00:18:48,296 who didn't ask what it was paying." 440 00:18:49,047 --> 00:18:51,632 - We just laughed and had fun the entire time. 441 00:18:51,674 --> 00:18:52,967 Hello, Mr. Saget, 442 00:18:53,009 --> 00:18:54,886 and welcome to "America's Funniest Home Videos." 443 00:18:54,927 --> 00:18:56,220 (cameraman laughs) 444 00:18:56,262 --> 00:18:58,347 - I was gone from my house from seven until seven 445 00:18:58,389 --> 00:18:59,891 every day. 446 00:18:59,932 --> 00:19:03,561 So there wasn't really time for too many other friends. 447 00:19:03,603 --> 00:19:05,980 So they were the friends and family. 448 00:19:06,022 --> 00:19:07,440 - We were a great big family. 449 00:19:07,482 --> 00:19:08,691 We really were. 450 00:19:08,733 --> 00:19:11,319 And that was because of Sheryl Leach. 451 00:19:12,653 --> 00:19:13,821 Everybody loved her. 452 00:19:13,863 --> 00:19:15,615 I mean, this just all sounds so trite, 453 00:19:15,656 --> 00:19:17,408 but it's really true! 454 00:19:17,450 --> 00:19:19,327 She was just everybody's mom, 455 00:19:19,368 --> 00:19:20,661 especially Barney's mom. 456 00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:25,083 - Sheryl Leach was awesome. 457 00:19:25,124 --> 00:19:27,502 She opened her home to us. 458 00:19:27,543 --> 00:19:28,336 So once a week, 459 00:19:28,378 --> 00:19:30,046 we were over there. 460 00:19:30,088 --> 00:19:32,090 Patrick was a young kid. 461 00:19:32,131 --> 00:19:33,549 I thought he was precious, 462 00:19:33,591 --> 00:19:35,593 I loved spending time with him. 463 00:19:35,635 --> 00:19:36,969 - [Lori] Sheryl was very protective, 464 00:19:37,011 --> 00:19:38,971 she wanted him around people 465 00:19:39,013 --> 00:19:40,515 that were gonna be the best for him, 466 00:19:40,556 --> 00:19:43,017 and I think just felt like she was 467 00:19:43,059 --> 00:19:45,353 making a difference in Patrick's life. 468 00:19:45,395 --> 00:19:46,854 That was her top priority. 469 00:19:47,939 --> 00:19:49,941 (cheerful music) 470 00:19:49,982 --> 00:19:51,651 - [Shelley] In the beginning, 471 00:19:51,692 --> 00:19:54,153 Sheryl's son, Patrick, had a love relationship with Barney 472 00:19:54,195 --> 00:19:56,489 because he was the reason 473 00:19:56,531 --> 00:19:58,741 that Barney even existed. 474 00:20:00,034 --> 00:20:02,078 - [Andrew] The first Barney tape came out 475 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:03,496 at the end of 1988. 476 00:20:03,538 --> 00:20:05,915 And the problem was 477 00:20:05,957 --> 00:20:07,583 there's really no marketing budget. 478 00:20:07,625 --> 00:20:08,835 - In the early days, 479 00:20:08,876 --> 00:20:12,004 we didn't have enough money to make the videos 480 00:20:12,046 --> 00:20:14,590 and spend money on marketing. 481 00:20:14,632 --> 00:20:17,009 So we decided to hire 482 00:20:17,051 --> 00:20:20,012 a group of our neighborhood mom friends, 483 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:24,559 and we called those moms The Mom Blitzers. 484 00:20:25,435 --> 00:20:26,686 - [Andrew] These Mom Blitzers 485 00:20:26,728 --> 00:20:28,563 started making phone calls to other moms 486 00:20:28,604 --> 00:20:31,858 and they went around to local daycares and preschools 487 00:20:31,899 --> 00:20:32,859 to sell tapes. 488 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:34,235 - Parents, 489 00:20:34,277 --> 00:20:37,071 The Backyard Gang is always looking for new members. 490 00:20:41,826 --> 00:20:45,121 - [Sloan] I had a very active two year old son. 491 00:20:45,163 --> 00:20:47,915 And a girlfriend of mine said, 492 00:20:47,957 --> 00:20:50,752 "You need to rent this videotape 493 00:20:50,793 --> 00:20:52,754 called Barney the Dinosaur." 494 00:20:54,172 --> 00:20:55,798 And I was like, "Oh, okay." 495 00:21:01,262 --> 00:21:04,140 (cheerful music) 496 00:21:08,227 --> 00:21:12,023 And my son fell in love with it. 497 00:21:12,065 --> 00:21:13,983 So then I'm renting the second one. 498 00:21:15,651 --> 00:21:20,656 And I rented the third one. 499 00:21:21,115 --> 00:21:22,116 And I went, "Oh! 500 00:21:23,076 --> 00:21:24,452 That's it. 501 00:21:24,494 --> 00:21:27,121 I'm gonna do Barney birthday parties. 502 00:21:27,163 --> 00:21:30,458 And I am gonna market this dinosaur 503 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:33,461 because this is the best thing I've ever seen." 504 00:21:35,046 --> 00:21:38,716 So I called Sheryl Leach's office, 505 00:21:38,758 --> 00:21:42,178 and then I get a phone call from Sheryl 506 00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:44,472 about an hour later. 507 00:21:44,514 --> 00:21:47,558 She goes, "I understand you want to market our dinosaur." 508 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,935 I said, "Yeah, I do!" 509 00:21:51,145 --> 00:21:54,816 And I became the senior vice president 510 00:21:54,857 --> 00:21:58,236 of live events and stage show productions. 511 00:21:59,821 --> 00:22:01,864 So I was employee number six. 512 00:22:03,282 --> 00:22:04,742 That's when the journey began. 513 00:22:07,161 --> 00:22:08,788 - [Andrew] In 1990, 514 00:22:08,830 --> 00:22:12,208 these tapes were now selling like crazy. 515 00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:15,586 - And the first Barney in concert 516 00:22:15,628 --> 00:22:20,133 was scheduled on November 19th, 1990 517 00:22:20,174 --> 00:22:23,010 at the Majestic Theater here in Dallas, Texas. 518 00:22:24,011 --> 00:22:25,263 - And it sold out. 519 00:22:25,304 --> 00:22:30,518 (exciting music) (audience cheers) 520 00:22:33,020 --> 00:22:36,983 - [Sloan] I was sitting there, just mouth dropped. 521 00:22:37,024 --> 00:22:38,735 I mean, I was like, "Oh, my gosh, 522 00:22:38,776 --> 00:22:40,570 we've got something here." 523 00:22:40,611 --> 00:22:43,197 (audience applauds) 524 00:22:43,239 --> 00:22:46,659 - [Andrew] But there's a huge issue because 525 00:22:47,326 --> 00:22:48,870 they had to recast Barney. 526 00:22:49,996 --> 00:22:51,205 - Yeah. 527 00:22:51,247 --> 00:22:52,540 So what happened was 528 00:22:54,125 --> 00:22:57,003 I'd got a calling to join the military. 529 00:22:59,714 --> 00:23:01,549 My grandpa had been in the military, 530 00:23:01,591 --> 00:23:03,301 a lot of family members had been in the military, 531 00:23:03,342 --> 00:23:05,261 so I decided to go in. 532 00:23:05,303 --> 00:23:07,180 It just kind of clicked, I guess, 533 00:23:07,221 --> 00:23:09,766 that this was something that I was meant to do. 534 00:23:10,683 --> 00:23:11,309 So. 535 00:23:14,228 --> 00:23:17,190 - [Bob] And so they needed to find someone 536 00:23:17,231 --> 00:23:19,192 to be the new body of Barney. 537 00:23:22,779 --> 00:23:24,030 - [Interviewer] When we talked to other people 538 00:23:24,072 --> 00:23:25,364 in this documentary, 539 00:23:25,406 --> 00:23:28,201 they always go, "Is David Joyner a part of it?" 540 00:23:28,242 --> 00:23:32,622 (David breathes heavily) 541 00:23:32,663 --> 00:23:34,749 Why do you think sometimes people are nervous 542 00:23:34,791 --> 00:23:36,209 that we would be talking to you? 543 00:23:50,723 --> 00:23:52,683 Why do you think sometimes people are nervous 544 00:23:52,725 --> 00:23:54,727 that we would be talking to you? 545 00:23:56,604 --> 00:24:00,858 - A lot of people are nervous now about me and Barney, 546 00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:02,193 it's basically because of that article 547 00:24:02,235 --> 00:24:03,903 that came out in 2018. 548 00:24:06,155 --> 00:24:08,491 - [Sloan] When I heard something about this, 549 00:24:08,533 --> 00:24:10,827 what's it, I can't remember what it's called again. 550 00:24:10,868 --> 00:24:11,869 - [Interviewer] Tantric. 551 00:24:11,911 --> 00:24:13,079 - Tantra? - [Interviewer] Yeah. 552 00:24:13,121 --> 00:24:14,539 - Okay. 553 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:15,248 I don't even know what it's all about, 554 00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:16,207 to be honest with you. 555 00:24:16,249 --> 00:24:17,875 Don't care to know about it, 556 00:24:17,917 --> 00:24:19,877 from what I've kind of heard about it. 557 00:24:21,921 --> 00:24:24,048 - When people hear tantra, 558 00:24:24,090 --> 00:24:26,217 they think it's about sex. 559 00:24:26,259 --> 00:24:29,429 Now, tantra is much more than that. 560 00:24:29,470 --> 00:24:30,096 Feel the love. 561 00:24:33,141 --> 00:24:36,602 I am a tantric energy healer. 562 00:24:40,773 --> 00:24:42,859 Around April of 1990, 563 00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:45,737 I was studying tantra and... 564 00:24:45,778 --> 00:24:47,947 (dance music) 565 00:24:47,989 --> 00:24:50,450 I was dancing, I was modeling, 566 00:24:50,491 --> 00:24:54,078 I was standing in store windows as a live mannequin. 567 00:24:55,246 --> 00:24:58,666 They were looking for someone to play Barney, 568 00:24:58,708 --> 00:25:00,126 to be inside of the costume. 569 00:25:01,210 --> 00:25:02,670 So I get a call 570 00:25:02,712 --> 00:25:04,756 and they told me, "Learn the choreography. 571 00:25:04,797 --> 00:25:07,175 We want to send you to do a live performance." 572 00:25:11,012 --> 00:25:13,014 And they said, "On the first song, 573 00:25:13,056 --> 00:25:15,099 Barney just comes out, he's greeting everyone, 574 00:25:15,141 --> 00:25:17,226 so pretty much do whatever you want." 575 00:25:19,103 --> 00:25:20,730 And so, the music starts, 576 00:25:22,273 --> 00:25:24,567 and I just leaped! 577 00:25:24,609 --> 00:25:29,614 (audience cheers) (upbeat rock music) 578 00:25:30,281 --> 00:25:31,199 Started doing these bell kicks, 579 00:25:32,992 --> 00:25:35,036 I'm running from one side of the stage, 580 00:25:35,078 --> 00:25:37,121 doing these spins. 581 00:25:37,163 --> 00:25:39,582 And so, I'm dancing and I'm moving, 582 00:25:39,624 --> 00:25:41,209 I'm like, I'm gonna do a 360, 583 00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:42,168 I'm gonna do a 360. 584 00:25:42,210 --> 00:25:43,127 So I jump. 585 00:25:46,672 --> 00:25:48,091 And I do this 360. 586 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,844 They're like, "Yeah!" 587 00:25:53,221 --> 00:25:56,057 (audience cheers) 588 00:25:57,225 --> 00:25:59,185 - [Sloan] Once David Joyner hit that stage, 589 00:26:00,186 --> 00:26:02,855 oh, my goodness. 590 00:26:05,024 --> 00:26:09,987 - David Joyner is just tremendously physically capable. 591 00:26:11,197 --> 00:26:12,949 I mean, you've got this 60 pound costume on him 592 00:26:14,575 --> 00:26:17,036 and he could just move it like, you know. 593 00:26:17,078 --> 00:26:19,831 (exciting music) 594 00:26:24,127 --> 00:26:27,839 - [Sloan] He made Barney 595 00:26:29,006 --> 00:26:31,759 the athletic Barney that is he today. 596 00:26:34,637 --> 00:26:37,306 (David breathes deeply) 597 00:26:37,348 --> 00:26:39,809 - [David] As a tantric energy healer... 598 00:26:39,851 --> 00:26:41,185 I own my goddess power. 599 00:26:43,146 --> 00:26:46,899 I help goddesses reconnect 600 00:26:46,941 --> 00:26:49,902 with their sexual energy 601 00:26:49,944 --> 00:26:52,071 on a spiritual level. 602 00:26:52,113 --> 00:26:55,199 I am filled with loving energy. 603 00:26:55,241 --> 00:26:57,076 - I am filled with loving energy. 604 00:26:58,953 --> 00:27:00,455 - When you study white lotus tantra, 605 00:27:00,496 --> 00:27:05,209 you learn sexual energy is not for physical gratification, 606 00:27:05,251 --> 00:27:08,171 it's for spiritual elevation. 607 00:27:08,212 --> 00:27:10,339 The fee for my services 608 00:27:10,381 --> 00:27:13,342 are basically for the energy work, 609 00:27:13,384 --> 00:27:14,594 and the massage, 610 00:27:15,219 --> 00:27:17,180 and the meditation. 611 00:27:17,221 --> 00:27:19,098 Anything beyond that, 612 00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:20,266 there's no extra fee. 613 00:27:21,893 --> 00:27:23,352 - [Interviewer] So, 614 00:27:23,394 --> 00:27:25,229 you do have sex with the women? 615 00:27:25,271 --> 00:27:26,731 - Not necessarily. 616 00:27:28,441 --> 00:27:31,903 Not all the clients have a full session, 617 00:27:31,944 --> 00:27:34,238 which what you consider sex. 618 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,826 But in tantra, we consider it spiritual intimacy. 619 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:42,413 Before I got in costume, 620 00:27:42,455 --> 00:27:44,373 I'd pull up my Kundalini energy. 621 00:27:44,415 --> 00:27:48,711 Just imagine love, love, love, love, 622 00:27:48,753 --> 00:27:50,713 love, love, love. 623 00:27:50,755 --> 00:27:51,381 So. 624 00:27:53,424 --> 00:27:54,425 Oh, wow. 625 00:27:54,467 --> 00:27:56,052 (David laughs) 626 00:27:56,094 --> 00:27:57,178 - I think it'd be fair to say 627 00:27:57,220 --> 00:27:59,222 that David's a different kind of guy 628 00:27:59,263 --> 00:28:01,891 and maybe we're not all supposed to be understood 629 00:28:03,142 --> 00:28:04,310 by everybody. 630 00:28:06,396 --> 00:28:08,773 - Whether I believe in what he's doing or not, 631 00:28:08,815 --> 00:28:10,691 I can see where he's coming from, 632 00:28:10,733 --> 00:28:11,859 knowing him. 633 00:28:11,901 --> 00:28:13,027 He's a very driven, 634 00:28:13,069 --> 00:28:15,780 very intense person. 635 00:28:15,822 --> 00:28:16,948 - So I didn't know what it was, 636 00:28:16,989 --> 00:28:18,282 I have no idea what it is. 637 00:28:18,324 --> 00:28:21,411 But I know that David has the biggest heart. 638 00:28:21,452 --> 00:28:23,871 (David breathes deeply) 639 00:28:23,913 --> 00:28:28,292 And the love of his heart went through that costume 640 00:28:29,168 --> 00:28:31,421 and straight to these kids. 641 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,007 - I was asked to sign an agreement 642 00:28:36,175 --> 00:28:38,428 that said I couldn't talk about tantra, 643 00:28:38,469 --> 00:28:39,637 or teach tantra, 644 00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:42,724 or practice tantra while I was being Barney. 645 00:28:42,765 --> 00:28:44,767 They're like, well, it's Barney and sex. 646 00:28:44,809 --> 00:28:47,437 Barney and sex, that doesn't go together. 647 00:28:47,478 --> 00:28:48,855 As the attorney said, 648 00:28:48,896 --> 00:28:50,440 that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. 649 00:28:52,358 --> 00:28:55,361 - [Interviewer] He couldn't talk about tantra at the time. 650 00:28:55,403 --> 00:28:56,237 - Yeah. 651 00:28:57,864 --> 00:29:00,491 They couldn't risk making any mistakes. 652 00:29:00,533 --> 00:29:02,326 Barney was finally finding an audience 653 00:29:02,368 --> 00:29:04,704 and not just in Texas. 654 00:29:04,746 --> 00:29:06,956 (exciting music) 655 00:29:06,998 --> 00:29:10,460 - [Larry] It was Superbowl Sunday, 1991. 656 00:29:10,501 --> 00:29:13,713 But that wasn't first and foremost on my mind. 657 00:29:14,338 --> 00:29:15,757 Our daughter, Leora, 658 00:29:15,798 --> 00:29:19,052 really wanted to go and get a home video for that day. 659 00:29:20,261 --> 00:29:21,095 - Okay. 660 00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:26,184 I remember the tape was on the lowest shelf. 661 00:29:26,225 --> 00:29:30,188 The colors and kind of the image of Barney 662 00:29:30,229 --> 00:29:32,190 kind of drew me right in. 663 00:29:35,026 --> 00:29:37,487 * Oh Barney is a dinosaur * 664 00:29:37,528 --> 00:29:38,988 * A dinosaur * 665 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:40,990 * A dinosaur * 666 00:29:41,032 --> 00:29:42,158 - [Larry] She wanted to watch it 667 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,328 over and over and over. 668 00:29:45,369 --> 00:29:47,330 So I sat down and I said, 669 00:29:47,371 --> 00:29:51,751 "What is this that is so captivating my young daughter?" 670 00:29:56,464 --> 00:29:57,882 - [Leora] Watching the show, 671 00:29:57,924 --> 00:29:59,842 it imprints something on you 672 00:29:59,884 --> 00:30:01,302 that was fun, 673 00:30:01,344 --> 00:30:04,806 it was like, oh, I wanna do whatever Barney's doing. 674 00:30:04,847 --> 00:30:06,891 - What you'll see is a desire 675 00:30:06,933 --> 00:30:09,102 to get a child off a couch 676 00:30:10,269 --> 00:30:11,896 so that that experience, 677 00:30:11,938 --> 00:30:14,315 which otherwise could be passive, 678 00:30:14,357 --> 00:30:15,525 really became active. 679 00:30:17,443 --> 00:30:18,945 - [Barney] Ooh, that's funny. 680 00:30:18,986 --> 00:30:21,406 - [Leora] What Barney hits on is that 681 00:30:21,447 --> 00:30:24,409 every person has the ability to love 682 00:30:24,450 --> 00:30:26,160 and to be loved. 683 00:30:26,202 --> 00:30:29,080 Unless you're a sociopath. 684 00:30:29,122 --> 00:30:30,498 - In my mind, 685 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:34,836 Barney was Fred Rogers going electric. 686 00:30:34,877 --> 00:30:37,505 - Yay! 687 00:30:37,547 --> 00:30:38,339 - [Interviewer] If you could, 688 00:30:38,381 --> 00:30:40,550 just introduce yourself? 689 00:30:40,591 --> 00:30:41,384 - Okay. 690 00:30:41,426 --> 00:30:42,385 I'm Larry Rifkin 691 00:30:42,427 --> 00:30:44,470 and I was the head of programming 692 00:30:44,512 --> 00:30:46,556 at Connecticut Public Television. 693 00:30:48,015 --> 00:30:51,269 - [Sloan] Larry Rifkin with PBS called Sheryl 694 00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:53,938 and said, "We're airing it." 695 00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:55,440 (Larry laughs) 696 00:30:55,481 --> 00:30:56,441 Get ready. 697 00:30:56,482 --> 00:30:58,568 (exciting music) 698 00:30:58,609 --> 00:31:00,069 * Barney is a dinosaur * 699 00:31:00,111 --> 00:31:02,405 * From our imagination * 700 00:31:02,447 --> 00:31:03,448 * And when he's tall * 701 00:31:03,489 --> 00:31:04,407 * He's what we call * 702 00:31:04,449 --> 00:31:05,533 * A dinosaur sensation * 703 00:31:05,575 --> 00:31:08,327 - And from that point on, 704 00:31:08,369 --> 00:31:10,037 it just exploded. 705 00:31:12,582 --> 00:31:13,666 - [News Anchor] Barney and friends attract 706 00:31:13,708 --> 00:31:16,002 nearly two million toddlers every day. 707 00:31:16,044 --> 00:31:17,462 - Every time I see him, 708 00:31:17,503 --> 00:31:19,464 I could give him a big hug. 709 00:31:19,505 --> 00:31:21,466 - [News Anchor] The highest watched children's show 710 00:31:21,507 --> 00:31:22,592 on public television. 711 00:31:23,843 --> 00:31:26,304 - Barney became an icon in the entire culture. 712 00:31:26,345 --> 00:31:27,472 - Hi, Barney! 713 00:31:27,513 --> 00:31:29,098 - Barney's like part of our family. 714 00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:29,974 - Kids love it, 715 00:31:30,016 --> 00:31:31,601 they learn from it, 716 00:31:31,642 --> 00:31:33,269 and they have the music that they love, 717 00:31:33,311 --> 00:31:34,896 they dance and sing to it. 718 00:31:34,937 --> 00:31:37,899 - Each day now we still find ourselves saying, 719 00:31:39,025 --> 00:31:41,319 is this really happening? 720 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,447 (soft music) 721 00:31:44,489 --> 00:31:47,033 - [Ria] Barney really means so much to me. 722 00:31:56,084 --> 00:31:58,294 Seeing all the diversity, 723 00:31:59,504 --> 00:32:02,173 every different race represented, 724 00:32:03,049 --> 00:32:05,218 and when they cast me, 725 00:32:05,259 --> 00:32:07,345 they cast me as a Filipina. 726 00:32:07,387 --> 00:32:10,014 - My family came from a country called the Philippines. 727 00:32:10,056 --> 00:32:12,308 That's a long, long way from here. 728 00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:14,268 - [Ria] And they gave me a storyline 729 00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:16,020 with my Filipino heritage, 730 00:32:16,062 --> 00:32:17,939 which was awesome. 731 00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:20,483 You know, I got to sing happy birthday in Tagalog. 732 00:32:20,525 --> 00:32:23,569 (singing in Tagalog) 733 00:32:28,574 --> 00:32:29,617 I'm sorry. 734 00:32:30,868 --> 00:32:34,372 I think that sometimes being Asian-American, 735 00:32:35,748 --> 00:32:38,501 there's not always a place for us. 736 00:32:39,627 --> 00:32:40,628 And so, it was a really special thing 737 00:32:40,670 --> 00:32:42,380 and I think it's still special now. 738 00:32:43,589 --> 00:32:45,383 - I have a new friend I want you to meet. 739 00:32:45,425 --> 00:32:47,176 This is Tasha. 740 00:32:47,218 --> 00:32:49,637 Today was her first day at school. 741 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:50,847 - [Hope] For me, 742 00:32:50,888 --> 00:32:54,559 Barney was a huge source of light in my life. 743 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,478 I feel like without Barney, 744 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,440 my childhood wouldn't have been as joyous 745 00:33:00,481 --> 00:33:02,483 and free as it was. 746 00:33:05,403 --> 00:33:08,114 I was abused as a child, before Barney. 747 00:33:08,156 --> 00:33:09,323 It was very painful. 748 00:33:09,365 --> 00:33:10,533 It was very hard. 749 00:33:10,575 --> 00:33:12,118 But Barney came along 750 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,456 and I got to get introduced to warmth and love. 751 00:33:18,249 --> 00:33:21,502 - The whole experience is very personal to me. 752 00:33:21,544 --> 00:33:24,005 I tried to portray him as the father 753 00:33:24,047 --> 00:33:26,632 I wanted to be for my own daughter. 754 00:33:26,674 --> 00:33:29,677 And we had a good long run 755 00:33:29,719 --> 00:33:31,971 in which everything was going well. 756 00:33:32,013 --> 00:33:33,389 - [Photographer] All right, everyone, on two, please! 757 00:33:33,431 --> 00:33:34,640 Here we go. 758 00:33:34,682 --> 00:33:36,559 (all laugh) 759 00:33:36,601 --> 00:33:38,061 - [Lori] Over time, 760 00:33:38,102 --> 00:33:41,731 I think Patrick's relationship with Barney was changing. 761 00:33:43,191 --> 00:33:46,652 - Sometimes I'm introduced as the creator of Barney, 762 00:33:46,694 --> 00:33:50,698 but I really feel most that I'm Barney's mom. 763 00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:52,658 - [Lori] Barney was bigger than life, 764 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:56,996 it was something that was not actually a sibling, 765 00:33:57,038 --> 00:34:00,541 yet shared a lot of characteristics of a sibling. 766 00:34:00,583 --> 00:34:02,085 - [Man] Ms. Leach, how old is your son now? 767 00:34:02,126 --> 00:34:04,462 The one you originally created Barney for? 768 00:34:04,504 --> 00:34:06,214 - [Sheryl] He is now seven. 769 00:34:06,255 --> 00:34:08,508 - [Man] Does he know what's inside Barney? 770 00:34:08,549 --> 00:34:10,134 - [Sheryl] Yes, he does. 771 00:34:10,176 --> 00:34:14,639 But Barney has been around since he was two 772 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,642 and to him Barney is a sibling 773 00:34:17,683 --> 00:34:20,311 and he has kind of a love-hate relationship 774 00:34:20,353 --> 00:34:22,688 just like all siblings do. 775 00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:23,731 - Their family was changing, 776 00:34:23,773 --> 00:34:25,149 he was growing up, 777 00:34:25,191 --> 00:34:26,734 but I know at the end of the day, 778 00:34:26,776 --> 00:34:31,697 Sheryl put him first and would have done anything for him. 779 00:34:34,659 --> 00:34:36,035 (soft music) 780 00:34:36,077 --> 00:34:40,331 - [Sloan] Sheryl wanted Barney to be in 200 countries 781 00:34:40,373 --> 00:34:42,708 and I think he ended up being in, like, 225, 782 00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:44,752 or something like that, countries. 783 00:34:44,794 --> 00:34:46,462 But it was her vision 784 00:34:46,504 --> 00:34:48,172 and she did it. 785 00:34:48,214 --> 00:34:52,135 - I saw Barney as already a success 786 00:34:52,176 --> 00:34:56,764 and that my role wasn't so much to create it, 787 00:34:56,806 --> 00:34:59,434 my role was to clear the way for it, 788 00:34:59,475 --> 00:35:01,811 and I was just the person running out front, 789 00:35:01,853 --> 00:35:04,772 saying, "Get out of the way, he's coming through!" 790 00:35:06,232 --> 00:35:08,276 - [Sloan] You know, there were not easy times, 791 00:35:08,317 --> 00:35:10,778 because Sheryl and I were traveling all over the world 792 00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:13,114 for months at a time. 793 00:35:13,156 --> 00:35:16,784 When you are focusing so much of your time 794 00:35:16,826 --> 00:35:19,704 on something else and not on your family, 795 00:35:19,746 --> 00:35:21,664 your family will get a little jealous. 796 00:35:21,706 --> 00:35:23,750 Same thing happened at my house, you know, 797 00:35:23,791 --> 00:35:25,460 my husband had a full-time job 798 00:35:25,501 --> 00:35:27,837 while I'm off all over the world. 799 00:35:27,879 --> 00:35:31,132 It's a very delicate balance. 800 00:35:31,174 --> 00:35:32,759 - I think the amount of time 801 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,470 that Sheryl had to be away from home 802 00:35:35,511 --> 00:35:38,556 had to have been rough on her marriage with Jim. 803 00:35:38,598 --> 00:35:40,433 And they're trying to keep things 804 00:35:40,475 --> 00:35:42,518 as normal as possible at home, 805 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,687 but there's nothing normal about 806 00:35:44,729 --> 00:35:47,190 what's about to happen from here on out. 807 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,610 - I want to make it clear that 808 00:35:50,651 --> 00:35:51,861 I think Barney was a brilliant show. 809 00:35:51,903 --> 00:35:52,737 You know? 810 00:35:52,779 --> 00:35:54,697 I really do. 811 00:35:54,739 --> 00:35:56,240 (Steve laughs) 812 00:35:56,282 --> 00:35:58,576 (soft piano music) 813 00:35:58,618 --> 00:36:02,830 But when something is so implausibly happy all of the time, 814 00:36:04,624 --> 00:36:06,000 unfortunately, 815 00:36:06,042 --> 00:36:09,754 in kind of the darker corners of all of our spirits, 816 00:36:09,796 --> 00:36:13,674 there is a desire to find joy 817 00:36:13,716 --> 00:36:15,676 in sort of tearing that down. 818 00:36:15,718 --> 00:36:18,763 - It was hard for many grownups to watch 819 00:36:18,805 --> 00:36:21,724 because it was continually upbeat, 820 00:36:21,766 --> 00:36:23,851 it was, in a sense, unrealistic. 821 00:36:25,478 --> 00:36:27,438 - [Brittany] In the early '90s when Barney was exploding, 822 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,856 it was completely at odds with 823 00:36:28,898 --> 00:36:32,151 a lot of the general sentiment for Gen Xers. 824 00:36:33,528 --> 00:36:35,780 (rock music) 825 00:36:37,323 --> 00:36:39,784 - The actual, like, popular culture is Nirvana, 826 00:36:39,826 --> 00:36:41,369 it's Pulp Fiction, 827 00:36:42,495 --> 00:36:45,456 it's irony, and it's sometimes blood-soaked. 828 00:36:45,498 --> 00:36:49,293 And Barney could not be more different than that. 829 00:36:49,335 --> 00:36:50,795 Doesn't bode well for Barney. 830 00:36:52,505 --> 00:36:54,924 (Butt-Head laughs) 831 00:36:54,966 --> 00:36:59,887 - That was cool. 832 00:36:59,929 --> 00:37:01,431 who are you waiting for? 833 00:37:01,472 --> 00:37:02,306 - [Kids] Barney! 834 00:37:03,766 --> 00:37:05,935 - Can I hear his name a little bit louder? 835 00:37:06,853 --> 00:37:08,938 - [Kids] Barney! - Barney! 836 00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:10,440 Barney, Barney, 837 00:37:11,941 --> 00:37:12,984 Barney, Barney, 838 00:37:14,694 --> 00:37:16,654 Barney, Barney! 839 00:37:16,696 --> 00:37:18,156 - [Announcer] Can I ask you to welcome 840 00:37:18,197 --> 00:37:19,907 the man, the host, Mr. Jerry Springer, right over there! 841 00:37:19,949 --> 00:37:22,952 (audience cheers) 842 00:37:24,537 --> 00:37:25,329 - Oh, can I stand up? 843 00:37:25,371 --> 00:37:26,038 - [Interviewer] Yeah. 844 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,998 - 'Cause I'm going to. 845 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:28,499 (interviewer laughs) 846 00:37:28,541 --> 00:37:29,792 'Cause you're trying to do me 847 00:37:29,834 --> 00:37:31,586 what I used to do on Springer, by the way. 848 00:37:31,627 --> 00:37:32,754 - [Interviewer] Oh, I know you did. 849 00:37:32,795 --> 00:37:33,921 - Yeah. 850 00:37:33,963 --> 00:37:34,714 And I love that. - [Interviewer] Yeah. 851 00:37:34,756 --> 00:37:35,923 (interviewer laughs) 852 00:37:35,965 --> 00:37:36,883 - "Would it be okay if you said so-and-so?" 853 00:37:36,924 --> 00:37:37,800 How about shut the (bleep) up, 854 00:37:37,842 --> 00:37:38,718 no, I'm not gonna do that. 855 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,762 (interviewer laughs) 856 00:37:40,803 --> 00:37:42,096 My name is Burt Dubrow 857 00:37:42,138 --> 00:37:44,932 and at the time Barney was getting huge, 858 00:37:44,974 --> 00:37:46,642 I was living the talk show world. 859 00:37:47,977 --> 00:37:50,063 I was producing "The Sally Jessy Raphael Show" 860 00:37:50,104 --> 00:37:50,980 and "Jerry Springer." 861 00:37:53,107 --> 00:37:54,442 - Where in the Bible does it say 862 00:37:54,484 --> 00:37:55,943 we're supposed to start shooting each other? 863 00:37:55,985 --> 00:37:57,987 - Read Revelations. 864 00:37:58,029 --> 00:37:59,697 - Jerry Springer originally tried to be 865 00:37:59,739 --> 00:38:03,493 more of a serious political social based talk show. 866 00:38:03,534 --> 00:38:05,995 - [Burt] And one day, out of nowhere, 867 00:38:06,871 --> 00:38:08,873 we were doing a show on race 868 00:38:08,915 --> 00:38:11,626 and the first fight broke out. 869 00:38:11,667 --> 00:38:12,585 Boom. 870 00:38:12,627 --> 00:38:13,586 - One more time. - I didn't... 871 00:38:13,628 --> 00:38:14,462 - You will... 872 00:38:15,755 --> 00:38:17,131 (audience gasps) 873 00:38:17,173 --> 00:38:18,674 - [Burt] Chairs went down. 874 00:38:20,051 --> 00:38:21,803 Everything you sort of thing of the Springer show as 875 00:38:21,844 --> 00:38:23,012 happened. 876 00:38:23,054 --> 00:38:24,722 Everybody sit down, down! 877 00:38:26,849 --> 00:38:27,850 We stopped the tape. 878 00:38:28,976 --> 00:38:29,977 We were freaked out, 879 00:38:30,019 --> 00:38:31,979 we didn't really know what to do. 880 00:38:32,021 --> 00:38:34,982 - [Jerry] Let me first apologize for the disruption. 881 00:38:35,024 --> 00:38:36,192 I don't want to be a part of anything 882 00:38:36,234 --> 00:38:38,945 which brings violence into anybody's home. 883 00:38:38,986 --> 00:38:39,987 - The next day, 884 00:38:40,029 --> 00:38:41,823 I looked at the overnight ratings 885 00:38:41,864 --> 00:38:43,866 and saw that we went from here to here. 886 00:38:45,034 --> 00:38:46,869 We clearly saw a spike. 887 00:38:47,745 --> 00:38:50,540 (exciting music) 888 00:38:53,167 --> 00:38:54,961 - After the ratings success of this, 889 00:38:55,002 --> 00:38:58,548 we realized that this is what audiences want. 890 00:38:58,589 --> 00:38:59,716 - Okay. 891 00:38:59,757 --> 00:39:02,009 - [Audience] Jerry, Jerry, Jerry! 892 00:39:03,136 --> 00:39:05,763 - We saw that a little bit of anger, 893 00:39:05,805 --> 00:39:07,056 a little bit of pain, 894 00:39:07,098 --> 00:39:09,100 isn't necessarily a bad thing. 895 00:39:09,142 --> 00:39:10,143 For television. 896 00:39:11,769 --> 00:39:14,480 - My sister is one of the most scandalous bitches 897 00:39:14,522 --> 00:39:15,523 in North. 898 00:39:15,565 --> 00:39:17,066 - I puked on you! 899 00:39:17,108 --> 00:39:18,401 - At the same time, 900 00:39:18,443 --> 00:39:20,695 we're starting to see culture shift as a whole. 901 00:39:20,737 --> 00:39:22,155 - [News Anchor] A generation on the cutting edge 902 00:39:22,196 --> 00:39:24,031 or over the edge? 903 00:39:24,073 --> 00:39:25,616 (rock music) 904 00:39:25,658 --> 00:39:27,744 - I think kids these days, 905 00:39:27,785 --> 00:39:29,746 they like vulgarness. 906 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:34,208 - The government says the drugs are getting stronger 907 00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:36,502 and the users are getting younger. 908 00:39:36,544 --> 00:39:38,171 - And seeing what buttons we can push, 909 00:39:38,212 --> 00:39:40,089 what boundaries we can go against. 910 00:39:41,591 --> 00:39:43,926 - [Gavin] Films like "Slacker" and "Reality Bites," 911 00:39:43,968 --> 00:39:45,678 people are trying to make sense of, like, 912 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,806 what does it mean to be a young person in the 1990s? 913 00:39:48,848 --> 00:39:50,016 - It's irony, uh. 914 00:39:50,058 --> 00:39:52,894 It's, well, I can't really 915 00:39:52,935 --> 00:39:53,853 define it, 916 00:39:53,895 --> 00:39:55,146 but I'll know when I see it! 917 00:39:55,188 --> 00:39:55,980 - For Gen X, 918 00:39:56,022 --> 00:39:57,565 being apathetic was cool 919 00:39:57,607 --> 00:39:59,192 and being cool was everything. 920 00:40:01,611 --> 00:40:04,906 - It was a time where people were suspicious 921 00:40:04,947 --> 00:40:08,451 of anything that wasn't snarky. 922 00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:11,245 - Suddenly edginess became the thing to do. 923 00:40:11,287 --> 00:40:13,122 - He's ugly, he stinks, he has no talent, 924 00:40:13,164 --> 00:40:14,791 his clothes suck. 925 00:40:14,832 --> 00:40:16,918 - [David] David Letterman was one of the leaders 926 00:40:16,959 --> 00:40:18,503 in ushering in this age of irony. 927 00:40:18,544 --> 00:40:21,547 - "The David Letterman Show" is like garbage. 928 00:40:22,298 --> 00:40:23,674 Dot, dot, dot. 929 00:40:23,716 --> 00:40:24,634 It stinks! 930 00:40:25,968 --> 00:40:27,720 - And if there's one show in the history of TV 931 00:40:27,762 --> 00:40:29,138 that's not ironic, 932 00:40:30,807 --> 00:40:31,724 it's Barney. 933 00:40:35,812 --> 00:40:36,938 - [Steve] Barney, 934 00:40:36,979 --> 00:40:40,274 it lacked irony, cynicism, and grit. 935 00:40:40,316 --> 00:40:42,610 All things that I, as an adult, 936 00:40:42,652 --> 00:40:45,780 came to understand the world was about. 937 00:40:45,822 --> 00:40:47,073 It's not just about Barney 938 00:40:47,115 --> 00:40:49,700 being on a children's television show 939 00:40:49,742 --> 00:40:52,120 that makes him bashable. 940 00:40:52,161 --> 00:40:55,540 I suspect maybe that it's because 941 00:40:55,581 --> 00:40:57,583 in children's television, like "Sesame Street," 942 00:40:57,625 --> 00:41:00,795 there's something broken about Grover, 943 00:41:00,837 --> 00:41:04,090 and there's something broken about Bert, 944 00:41:04,132 --> 00:41:05,133 and there's something broken about 945 00:41:05,174 --> 00:41:07,218 absolutely every single one of us, 946 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:08,928 but there's nothing broken about Barney. 947 00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:09,887 - I love you, Barney. 948 00:41:11,013 --> 00:41:12,181 - We love you too. 949 00:41:13,182 --> 00:41:16,185 - Watch out, the lovable lug is now under attack. 950 00:41:18,229 --> 00:41:19,647 - [Brittany] There's this urge to just hate it 951 00:41:19,689 --> 00:41:20,940 because you don't understand it 952 00:41:20,982 --> 00:41:23,109 and that's the basis for hating anything, 953 00:41:23,151 --> 00:41:24,736 that's the basis of, you know, 954 00:41:24,777 --> 00:41:27,989 greater concepts like homophobia and racism. 955 00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:29,115 - Barney is purple, 956 00:41:29,157 --> 00:41:29,949 and he's soft, 957 00:41:29,991 --> 00:41:31,659 and he's vulnerable, 958 00:41:31,701 --> 00:41:34,120 and there's, like, homophobia that goes along with that. 959 00:41:34,162 --> 00:41:35,788 - [Jon Stewart] Barney, the singing dinosaur 960 00:41:35,830 --> 00:41:37,790 who also happens to be purple, 961 00:41:37,832 --> 00:41:39,250 and allegedly likes to hang out 962 00:41:39,292 --> 00:41:41,669 with his pals, Tyrannosaurus Rex, 963 00:41:41,711 --> 00:41:42,712 Tyrannosaurus Lance, 964 00:41:42,754 --> 00:41:44,297 and Tyrannosaurus Bruce. 965 00:41:44,338 --> 00:41:46,090 - Barney is coming out at the time that 966 00:41:46,132 --> 00:41:48,217 the AIDS epidemic is at its peak 967 00:41:48,259 --> 00:41:53,097 and of course there's a lot of very misdirected anger 968 00:41:53,139 --> 00:41:55,308 towards the gay community. 969 00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:57,560 Of course this made Barney a huge target. 970 00:41:58,936 --> 00:42:01,731 - We're just not used to, in our culture, 971 00:42:01,773 --> 00:42:03,900 seeing men that are kind, 972 00:42:03,941 --> 00:42:06,277 and vulnerable, and sweet, 973 00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:08,279 and if we do see that, 974 00:42:08,321 --> 00:42:10,073 they're penalized. 975 00:42:16,329 --> 00:42:18,039 - [News Anchor] Sheryl Leach now reports for work 976 00:42:18,081 --> 00:42:20,333 in a gleaming Dallas skyscraper. 977 00:42:20,374 --> 00:42:22,377 Her office quarters are so new, 978 00:42:22,418 --> 00:42:24,587 that workers haven't finished perfecting 979 00:42:24,629 --> 00:42:26,255 the purple carpeting. 980 00:42:26,297 --> 00:42:29,008 But one of Leach's most valuable staff members 981 00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:30,259 stays home. 982 00:42:30,301 --> 00:42:32,220 - Well, so what are you gonna do today, sweetie? 983 00:42:32,261 --> 00:42:36,099 - Well, my plans are to support the Barney enterprise. 984 00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:37,975 (Sheryl laughs) In any way I can. 985 00:42:38,017 --> 00:42:40,645 - [News Anchor] Jim Leach quit a top executive position 986 00:42:40,686 --> 00:42:42,730 to help take up the slack at home 987 00:42:42,772 --> 00:42:45,691 when Sheryl's persistence paid off. 988 00:42:45,733 --> 00:42:49,779 - [Andrew] I think Baby Boomers were much more traditional. 989 00:42:49,821 --> 00:42:51,948 You know, a father is the bread winner, 990 00:42:51,989 --> 00:42:54,117 the mother stays at home with the kids. 991 00:42:54,158 --> 00:42:56,869 And when Barney began taking off, 992 00:42:56,911 --> 00:42:59,080 Jim went from being this provider 993 00:42:59,122 --> 00:43:01,791 to stay at home dad with Patrick 994 00:43:01,833 --> 00:43:03,376 and they kind of reverse roles, 995 00:43:03,418 --> 00:43:06,671 you know, Sheryl became the bread winner of the family. 996 00:43:06,713 --> 00:43:08,172 - [Lori] They could never have predicted 997 00:43:08,214 --> 00:43:10,675 what was going to happen with Barney. 998 00:43:10,717 --> 00:43:14,887 But I do think that Barney changed their lifestyle. 999 00:43:16,681 --> 00:43:19,142 - [Stephen] And I think Sheryl and her family 1000 00:43:19,183 --> 00:43:22,186 found that they had a lot to cope with 1001 00:43:22,228 --> 00:43:26,315 besides what people would consider upsides of fame. 1002 00:43:26,357 --> 00:43:29,235 They had to pay a price for the other side too. 1003 00:43:31,362 --> 00:43:32,697 - [Lori] But I think that Sheryl 1004 00:43:32,739 --> 00:43:34,365 was so passionate about what she did 1005 00:43:34,407 --> 00:43:35,658 and I think just felt like 1006 00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:38,411 she was making a difference in Patrick's life 1007 00:43:38,453 --> 00:43:41,706 and making a difference in the lives of so many other kids, 1008 00:43:41,748 --> 00:43:43,958 despite all the haters. 1009 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,461 - I went as Barney the purple dinosaur. 1010 00:43:46,502 --> 00:43:48,171 (audience laughs) 1011 00:43:48,212 --> 00:43:49,964 I got my ass kicked. 1012 00:43:50,006 --> 00:43:51,257 (audience laughs) 1013 00:43:51,299 --> 00:43:52,967 - He's been put into power 1014 00:43:53,009 --> 00:43:55,261 by the most heinous and evil force of the 20th century. 1015 00:43:55,303 --> 00:43:56,137 - Barney? 1016 00:43:57,638 --> 00:43:59,265 - [Stephen] At first, Sheryl didn't really care that much 1017 00:43:59,307 --> 00:44:00,349 about Barney bashing. 1018 00:44:00,391 --> 00:44:03,227 The idea was if we just ignore it, 1019 00:44:03,269 --> 00:44:04,604 it will go away. 1020 00:44:04,645 --> 00:44:08,357 - We can laugh, and cuddle, and sing happy songs! 1021 00:44:08,399 --> 00:44:09,734 (Animaniacs scream) 1022 00:44:09,776 --> 00:44:11,402 - Which it pretty much didn't. 1023 00:44:11,444 --> 00:44:14,322 (intense music) 1024 00:44:32,423 --> 00:44:34,550 - My name is Rob Curran 1025 00:44:34,592 --> 00:44:38,346 and my daughter, she loved Barney. 1026 00:44:38,388 --> 00:44:39,847 (cheerful acoustic music) 1027 00:44:39,889 --> 00:44:43,226 Michelle Christine loved singing the Barney songs, 1028 00:44:43,267 --> 00:44:45,395 she loved singing the "I Love You" song. 1029 00:44:45,436 --> 00:44:48,398 - I love you, 1030 00:44:48,439 --> 00:44:49,440 you love me. 1031 00:44:52,944 --> 00:44:54,570 - I went away on a business trip 1032 00:44:54,612 --> 00:44:56,489 and when I came back, 1033 00:44:56,531 --> 00:45:00,451 I was expecting my daughter to run to me 1034 00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:03,246 and say, "Oh, daddy, daddy, I'm so glad you're home! 1035 00:45:03,287 --> 00:45:04,831 You're home." 1036 00:45:04,872 --> 00:45:06,958 And that didn't happen. 1037 00:45:08,126 --> 00:45:11,129 She was basically glued to the TV set, 1038 00:45:11,170 --> 00:45:12,422 enraptured by Barney, 1039 00:45:12,463 --> 00:45:13,798 transfixed by Barney. 1040 00:45:14,507 --> 00:45:16,384 - Oh, goodie! (Barney laughs) 1041 00:45:16,426 --> 00:45:20,346 - And I felt a bit hurt. 1042 00:45:20,388 --> 00:45:22,557 (soft music) 1043 00:45:22,598 --> 00:45:24,434 So it was at that point 1044 00:45:24,475 --> 00:45:26,436 where I started to think about, 1045 00:45:26,477 --> 00:45:28,438 you know, all these things about Barney 1046 00:45:28,479 --> 00:45:30,815 that were really, really bothering me. 1047 00:45:32,942 --> 00:45:34,485 Barney only appeals to, like, 1048 00:45:34,527 --> 00:45:36,404 a three year old mentality. 1049 00:45:36,446 --> 00:45:39,073 Parents couldn't share Barney with their kids. 1050 00:45:39,115 --> 00:45:41,367 Barney just drove all the parents crazy. 1051 00:45:42,285 --> 00:45:47,290 - You love me. 1052 00:45:48,458 --> 00:45:49,500 - But I realized I had to do something. 1053 00:45:52,628 --> 00:45:53,504 - [News Anchor] You're watching the Channel Four 1054 00:45:53,546 --> 00:45:54,922 News Nightcast, 1055 00:45:54,964 --> 00:45:56,215 number one at 11. 1056 00:45:57,175 --> 00:45:58,092 - [Female News Anchor] He's big, 1057 00:45:58,134 --> 00:45:59,427 he's purple, and he's lovable, 1058 00:45:59,469 --> 00:46:03,306 but some non-fans would rather see him extinct. 1059 00:46:03,347 --> 00:46:05,475 The report of a club founded by a South Florida man 1060 00:46:05,516 --> 00:46:09,479 who thinks Barney is a prehistoric pain the neck. 1061 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,189 - [News Anchor] Robert Kern, an advertising man, 1062 00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:13,149 spends his free time cranking out 1063 00:46:13,191 --> 00:46:15,234 the "I Hate Barney" newsletter. 1064 00:46:15,276 --> 00:46:17,028 - [Robert] We're not really a hate group. 1065 00:46:17,070 --> 00:46:19,530 What we are is we're a support group 1066 00:46:19,572 --> 00:46:22,909 for parents who have Barney addicts in the family. 1067 00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:24,911 - With "The I Hate Barney Secret Society," 1068 00:46:24,952 --> 00:46:27,955 I just gave waste to all the fears 1069 00:46:27,997 --> 00:46:30,374 of all the parents. 1070 00:46:30,416 --> 00:46:31,501 - [Man] My daughter's two and a half 1071 00:46:31,542 --> 00:46:33,211 and she's a Barney fanatic. 1072 00:46:34,587 --> 00:46:37,048 - [Robert] Who were having problems with Barney. 1073 00:46:38,549 --> 00:46:40,343 - [News Anchor] Barney haters rejoiced. 1074 00:46:40,385 --> 00:46:43,221 They'd found an outlet for their frustration. 1075 00:46:43,262 --> 00:46:46,599 If your kids will let you join the Barney bashers, 1076 00:46:46,641 --> 00:46:48,559 all you have to do is send 50 cents 1077 00:46:48,601 --> 00:46:51,437 to "The I Hate Barney Secret Society." 1078 00:46:54,065 --> 00:46:56,651 - [Robert] Over a period of probably about six weeks, 1079 00:46:56,692 --> 00:47:01,197 we got 7,000 requests for the newsletter. 1080 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,573 "I am sick of Barney. 1081 00:47:02,615 --> 00:47:05,034 We've had to suffer through a Barney birthday party 1082 00:47:05,076 --> 00:47:06,911 and I thought I was gonna puke." 1083 00:47:07,703 --> 00:47:10,289 It seemed like the whole world was rising up to, 1084 00:47:10,331 --> 00:47:11,541 you know, bash Barney. 1085 00:47:11,582 --> 00:47:13,209 - Unlike anything that ever happened 1086 00:47:13,251 --> 00:47:15,962 to Captain Kangaroo or Big Bird, 1087 00:47:16,003 --> 00:47:18,548 Barney is coming under vicious attacks 1088 00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:21,634 in what amounts to a Barney backlash. 1089 00:47:21,676 --> 00:47:24,429 - It's completely bland and toothless. 1090 00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:25,972 - My husband doesn't love Barney, 1091 00:47:26,013 --> 00:47:28,057 I'll tell you that much. 1092 00:47:28,099 --> 00:47:31,602 - [Man] There must be some ultra-high frequency message 1093 00:47:31,644 --> 00:47:32,770 being sent out 1094 00:47:32,812 --> 00:47:35,231 or something that just grabbed the brain 1095 00:47:35,273 --> 00:47:38,484 in a way that adults couldn't recognize. 1096 00:47:38,526 --> 00:47:41,612 - [Man] "Purple dinosaurs must die." 1097 00:47:43,656 --> 00:47:45,241 - [News Anchor] Now, what did lovable Barney do 1098 00:47:45,283 --> 00:47:46,409 to deserve this? 1099 00:47:47,452 --> 00:47:49,537 It's called Barney Bashing 1100 00:47:49,579 --> 00:47:51,581 and it's become a favorite pastime 1101 00:47:51,622 --> 00:47:53,708 amongst the college crowd. 1102 00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:56,294 (crowd cheers) 1103 00:47:58,713 --> 00:48:00,673 - My name is Travis Fox 1104 00:48:00,715 --> 00:48:04,302 and I was the originator of the Barney Bashing event 1105 00:48:04,343 --> 00:48:06,637 at University of Nebraska, Lincoln in 1993. 1106 00:48:09,265 --> 00:48:10,058 - Are you guys ready? 1107 00:48:10,099 --> 00:48:11,225 - We're ready! 1108 00:48:11,267 --> 00:48:13,561 (rock music) 1109 00:48:13,603 --> 00:48:15,313 - I was born in 1970. 1110 00:48:16,314 --> 00:48:18,649 So my character was Big Bird. 1111 00:48:18,691 --> 00:48:22,028 I think the reason that we specifically went after Barney 1112 00:48:22,070 --> 00:48:26,616 was he was the replacement to our "Sesame Street." 1113 00:48:26,657 --> 00:48:28,409 - I hate Barney. 1114 00:48:28,451 --> 00:48:30,161 Barney is the bane of my existence. 1115 00:48:32,246 --> 00:48:34,415 - [Travis] He was encroaching on our childhood. 1116 00:48:34,457 --> 00:48:36,667 So we decided that we had to push back. 1117 00:48:37,627 --> 00:48:39,545 We did a Barney pinata. 1118 00:48:41,672 --> 00:48:43,674 We did the stuffed animal beatings. 1119 00:48:45,593 --> 00:48:46,761 This one doesn't have any eyes left, 1120 00:48:46,803 --> 00:48:48,429 I actually watched somebody eat the eyes 1121 00:48:48,471 --> 00:48:50,348 right off of this doll. 1122 00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:53,309 And then the finale was Big Bird versus Barney 1123 00:48:53,351 --> 00:48:54,560 wrestling match. 1124 00:48:54,602 --> 00:48:55,770 - [News Anchor] With a right wing hook, 1125 00:48:55,812 --> 00:48:57,397 Barney hits the floor. 1126 00:48:57,438 --> 00:49:00,191 No more purple dinosaur. 1127 00:49:00,233 --> 00:49:01,734 (crowd cheers) 1128 00:49:01,776 --> 00:49:03,569 - You know, the sad thing is 1129 00:49:03,611 --> 00:49:06,656 those students are the future of our country. 1130 00:49:06,697 --> 00:49:08,157 - Yes. 1131 00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:09,700 - [Travis] We submitted the story of what we were doing 1132 00:49:09,742 --> 00:49:11,411 to the news. 1133 00:49:11,452 --> 00:49:12,829 That's when the phones started to ring, 1134 00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:14,622 the calls started to come in. 1135 00:49:14,664 --> 00:49:16,707 - [Rob] I had interviews with just about 1136 00:49:16,749 --> 00:49:18,459 everybody you can imagine. 1137 00:49:19,544 --> 00:49:20,753 It's just kind of crazy. 1138 00:49:22,171 --> 00:49:25,216 You know, even Jerry Springer called out of the blue. 1139 00:49:25,258 --> 00:49:27,176 - Barney was a phenomenon. 1140 00:49:27,218 --> 00:49:29,345 And talk shows dealt with phenomena. 1141 00:49:29,387 --> 00:49:32,306 So if there's an "I Hate Barney" fan club, 1142 00:49:33,558 --> 00:49:36,352 and an "I Love Barney" fan club, 1143 00:49:36,394 --> 00:49:37,729 bring them together, 1144 00:49:37,770 --> 00:49:40,857 and have two adults arguing about Barney. 1145 00:49:40,898 --> 00:49:42,567 There's a perfect show. 1146 00:49:42,608 --> 00:49:44,444 - And with the guy from Nebraska, 1147 00:49:44,485 --> 00:49:45,653 there's punching bags, 1148 00:49:45,695 --> 00:49:46,738 there's other bashing things. 1149 00:49:46,779 --> 00:49:48,614 You can go and run the track 1150 00:49:48,656 --> 00:49:50,700 or do something more constructive. 1151 00:49:50,742 --> 00:49:51,784 You know? 1152 00:49:51,826 --> 00:49:54,704 (Travis laughs) 1153 00:49:55,872 --> 00:49:58,207 - What is it that Barney says that upsets you? 1154 00:49:59,459 --> 00:50:01,127 What is the message that's so bad? 1155 00:50:01,169 --> 00:50:03,337 - There's massive, you know, resentment 1156 00:50:03,379 --> 00:50:06,340 in all of these families being held hostage 1157 00:50:07,341 --> 00:50:09,844 by an imaginary purple dinosaur. 1158 00:50:09,886 --> 00:50:10,762 - Call it what you want, 1159 00:50:10,803 --> 00:50:12,805 Barney Bashing was a protest. 1160 00:50:13,765 --> 00:50:16,225 - I was on to something here as, 1161 00:50:16,267 --> 00:50:17,518 like, an opinion leader. 1162 00:50:19,812 --> 00:50:21,773 - [Lori] Sheryl had a hard time understanding 1163 00:50:21,814 --> 00:50:23,816 why someone could be so angry and hateful 1164 00:50:23,858 --> 00:50:27,236 towards something that was made with such good intentions, 1165 00:50:27,278 --> 00:50:28,738 with such a good, pure heart. 1166 00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:33,117 - Somehow there's a kind of a faction 1167 00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:35,244 that finds all of that 1168 00:50:35,286 --> 00:50:37,872 almost as if that's not okay. 1169 00:50:40,458 --> 00:50:41,584 - Why do I hate Barney? 1170 00:50:41,626 --> 00:50:43,252 I don't, he's here to beat. 1171 00:50:43,294 --> 00:50:44,295 Let's beat somebody. 1172 00:50:45,546 --> 00:50:47,924 - [Stefania] Oh, we see Barney as a friendly, 1173 00:50:47,965 --> 00:50:50,760 dopey-ish, soft dinosaur, right? 1174 00:50:50,802 --> 00:50:52,762 So this goes against what we think 1175 00:50:52,804 --> 00:50:54,430 males should be like. 1176 00:50:54,472 --> 00:50:57,892 So there's a fear that if boys, especially, 1177 00:50:57,934 --> 00:50:59,811 are watching that type of programs, 1178 00:50:59,852 --> 00:51:01,312 it'll make them soft. 1179 00:51:03,648 --> 00:51:05,691 - "Barney Salutes the Alphabet"? 1180 00:51:05,733 --> 00:51:08,778 - There is probably resentment 1181 00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:10,488 that is very unexpressed, like, 1182 00:51:10,530 --> 00:51:13,157 we're so lousy as a culture 1183 00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,827 talking about our emotions, 1184 00:51:15,868 --> 00:51:17,912 even, like, naming our emotions. 1185 00:51:17,954 --> 00:51:20,456 There's so much divorce 1186 00:51:20,498 --> 00:51:24,919 from the experience of childhood that Barney depicts. 1187 00:51:24,961 --> 00:51:26,796 - You're all different in your very own ways. 1188 00:51:26,838 --> 00:51:28,297 - [Shannon] So many of us are just like, 1189 00:51:28,339 --> 00:51:29,966 "My childhood wasn't like that, 1190 00:51:30,007 --> 00:51:32,552 and I'm pissed, and I'm so angry." 1191 00:51:32,593 --> 00:51:36,889 I think that this is particularly true for males 1192 00:51:36,931 --> 00:51:38,683 in our society. 1193 00:51:38,725 --> 00:51:42,395 So many people don't even have the words to express that. 1194 00:51:42,437 --> 00:51:45,565 - We are not part of a family. 1195 00:51:45,606 --> 00:51:47,358 - [Shannon] That is why, like, 1196 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,986 this violence feels so satisfying. 1197 00:51:50,027 --> 00:51:52,697 (gun fires) 1198 00:51:52,739 --> 00:51:53,531 - [Man] I hate you, Barney. 1199 00:51:53,573 --> 00:51:54,907 - It's America. 1200 00:51:54,949 --> 00:51:58,536 It's a culture of individualism, 1201 00:51:58,578 --> 00:51:59,996 and going it alone, 1202 00:52:00,037 --> 00:52:01,539 and machoism. 1203 00:52:01,581 --> 00:52:04,375 You know, Barney was symbolic of much more. 1204 00:52:06,586 --> 00:52:08,880 - I have a prepared statement, 1205 00:52:08,921 --> 00:52:11,340 and one of the big questions I wanna ask is 1206 00:52:11,382 --> 00:52:12,800 did I hit a nerve 1207 00:52:13,926 --> 00:52:16,888 with this "I Hate Barney Secret Society"? 1208 00:52:16,929 --> 00:52:19,390 Is this the first time 1209 00:52:19,432 --> 00:52:22,477 at the dawn of the social media era 1210 00:52:22,518 --> 00:52:24,395 where the world learned 1211 00:52:26,606 --> 00:52:27,940 to love the hate? 1212 00:52:29,484 --> 00:52:31,861 Really, nothing feels more stimulating 1213 00:52:31,903 --> 00:52:34,739 than nursing a giant grudge. 1214 00:52:34,781 --> 00:52:36,657 Nothing feels more stimulating 1215 00:52:36,699 --> 00:52:39,410 than nursing our angry temper. 1216 00:52:39,452 --> 00:52:41,537 And in 1993, 1217 00:52:41,579 --> 00:52:43,873 we put a name and a color 1218 00:52:43,915 --> 00:52:45,958 to our collective pet grudge. 1219 00:52:47,585 --> 00:52:50,421 And that name was Barney the purple (bleeps) dinosaur. 1220 00:52:52,507 --> 00:52:58,012 (gun fires) (man laughs) 1221 00:52:58,054 --> 00:53:01,391 (soft orchestral music) 1222 00:53:02,975 --> 00:53:04,394 - [Sloan] In '94, 1223 00:53:04,435 --> 00:53:07,063 everybody was up at Radio City Music Hall 1224 00:53:07,105 --> 00:53:10,400 for "Barney's Live Show." 1225 00:53:13,945 --> 00:53:17,115 Sheryl had really been working hard on that show. 1226 00:53:17,156 --> 00:53:19,700 (kids singing) 1227 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:22,453 - At the time, 1228 00:53:22,495 --> 00:53:24,705 I was a features writer for the Dallas Morning News. 1229 00:53:24,747 --> 00:53:26,874 I was assigned a story on Sheryl Leach. 1230 00:53:27,834 --> 00:53:31,379 I decided to center the piece 1231 00:53:31,421 --> 00:53:35,007 around this Radio City musical event. 1232 00:53:35,049 --> 00:53:39,011 I was really trying to get a look at 1233 00:53:39,053 --> 00:53:40,847 how Sheryl's life had been affected, 1234 00:53:40,888 --> 00:53:42,140 and then by extension, 1235 00:53:42,181 --> 00:53:44,100 her, you know, her husband too, and her family. 1236 00:53:45,601 --> 00:53:46,227 Let's see. 1237 00:53:47,895 --> 00:53:49,313 It's hard knowing what I know, 1238 00:53:49,355 --> 00:53:52,066 I don't wanna sound like I somehow saw darkness coming, 1239 00:53:52,108 --> 00:53:53,025 'cause I didn't. 1240 00:53:57,697 --> 00:54:00,032 Sheryl and I had part of our interview 1241 00:54:00,074 --> 00:54:02,618 at a restaurant, Tavern on the Green. 1242 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,874 And I think I got my first glimpse 1243 00:54:07,915 --> 00:54:10,543 of the pressure she was under 1244 00:54:10,585 --> 00:54:14,714 when she noticed that she had forgotten her wedding band 1245 00:54:14,756 --> 00:54:16,174 in Dallas. 1246 00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:19,177 You know, here she is, 1247 00:54:19,218 --> 00:54:20,094 the mother of Barney, 1248 00:54:20,136 --> 00:54:21,971 and she's going to, you know, 1249 00:54:22,013 --> 00:54:24,432 there was laser focus on her. 1250 00:54:25,933 --> 00:54:28,186 You know, everybody was dissecting everything she did. 1251 00:54:28,227 --> 00:54:30,938 I think there was just a whole lot going on. 1252 00:54:30,980 --> 00:54:33,149 - What has this done to your life? 1253 00:54:33,191 --> 00:54:34,567 Boy, this is kaboom. 1254 00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:36,861 Have you and your husband ever looked at each other 1255 00:54:36,903 --> 00:54:39,489 and said, "Honey, can we survive this?" 1256 00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:40,281 (Sheryl laughs) 1257 00:54:40,323 --> 00:54:41,032 - Yes, we have said that, 1258 00:54:41,074 --> 00:54:42,492 and we have survived it. 1259 00:54:42,533 --> 00:54:43,910 And we just feel very honored 1260 00:54:43,951 --> 00:54:45,119 to be working with something 1261 00:54:45,161 --> 00:54:47,455 that's making such an impact on the world. 1262 00:54:48,873 --> 00:54:51,125 - [Sloan] I remember Jim and Sheryl's son, Patrick, 1263 00:54:51,167 --> 00:54:54,754 wasn't at the premiere at Radio City Musical 1264 00:54:54,796 --> 00:54:56,089 and I remember they were saying 1265 00:54:56,130 --> 00:54:58,132 that he didn't want to come to the show. 1266 00:55:00,176 --> 00:55:03,554 - [Stephen] Barney was like another entity in the family 1267 00:55:03,596 --> 00:55:05,098 competing for attention. 1268 00:55:05,139 --> 00:55:08,935 I can imagine that Patrick wouldn't be crazy about that 1269 00:55:08,976 --> 00:55:09,811 comparison. 1270 00:55:11,062 --> 00:55:13,106 - It's really hard to be the child of an adult 1271 00:55:13,147 --> 00:55:16,067 who seems to have, like, a more popular fictional child. 1272 00:55:16,109 --> 00:55:19,028 Candice Bergen was the daughter of Edgar Bergen 1273 00:55:19,070 --> 00:55:22,156 who was, you know, like, a very successful ventriloquist. 1274 00:55:23,699 --> 00:55:25,576 - [Candice] You knew he wasn't real 1275 00:55:25,618 --> 00:55:30,623 and yet he was treated so much better than most humans. 1276 00:55:31,833 --> 00:55:34,085 I still don't, you know, think of him as a doll. 1277 00:55:35,294 --> 00:55:36,254 - [Charlie McCarthy] She had to compete with a puppet 1278 00:55:36,295 --> 00:55:37,630 for her father's love 1279 00:55:37,672 --> 00:55:38,715 and she resented it. 1280 00:55:40,091 --> 00:55:42,844 - One of Fred Rogers' children said 1281 00:55:42,885 --> 00:55:44,971 it's really hard growing up 1282 00:55:45,012 --> 00:55:47,849 having, you know, sort of a second messiah as your dad. 1283 00:55:48,933 --> 00:55:50,309 Christopher Robin Milne, 1284 00:55:50,351 --> 00:55:51,978 the child of A.A. Milne, 1285 00:55:52,019 --> 00:55:54,772 who did, like, all the "Winnie the Pooh" stories, 1286 00:55:54,814 --> 00:55:56,607 he had the name Christopher Robin. 1287 00:55:57,734 --> 00:56:00,194 It was this big weight on his life, 1288 00:56:01,195 --> 00:56:03,114 and made him profoundly unhappy. 1289 00:56:04,699 --> 00:56:07,994 When you have an adult who has given so much care to, 1290 00:56:08,035 --> 00:56:09,787 like, the children of the nation 1291 00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:12,749 and it not necessarily focused on you, 1292 00:56:12,790 --> 00:56:15,168 I think that's, like, a hard and complicated situation. 1293 00:56:15,209 --> 00:56:17,003 - He mentioned having a sibling rivalry 1294 00:56:17,045 --> 00:56:19,964 with a large purple dinosaur. 1295 00:56:20,006 --> 00:56:22,133 (soft music) 1296 00:56:22,175 --> 00:56:24,010 - [Lori] When Barney started to get big, 1297 00:56:24,052 --> 00:56:29,057 I just think that their family was changing, 1298 00:56:30,224 --> 00:56:31,350 you know, because Barney was changing. 1299 00:56:31,392 --> 00:56:34,020 And so, that's all that I observed. 1300 00:56:38,066 --> 00:56:41,069 - [Interviewer] What happened to Patrick? 1301 00:56:41,110 --> 00:56:42,904 - How he ended up the way he did? 1302 00:56:44,113 --> 00:56:46,574 I don't know, I think it could happen to anybody. 1303 00:56:47,867 --> 00:56:50,203 - So, I can't answer that. 1304 00:56:50,244 --> 00:56:52,163 - I really can't answer that question. 1305 00:56:52,997 --> 00:56:53,831 - I don't know. 1306 00:56:53,873 --> 00:56:55,083 I can't speak to that. 1307 00:56:55,124 --> 00:56:57,210 - I don't think it's my place to talk about it. 1308 00:56:58,252 --> 00:56:59,295 - [Lori] He never stood out, 1309 00:56:59,337 --> 00:57:00,713 in the years that I was around him, 1310 00:57:00,755 --> 00:57:02,715 as just a troubled little boy. 1311 00:57:04,175 --> 00:57:05,218 - [Interviewer] You say he never stood out like that? 1312 00:57:05,259 --> 00:57:06,844 - He did not, no. 1313 00:57:23,236 --> 00:57:25,154 - [Director] Two cameras, A, B, mark. 1314 00:57:28,282 --> 00:57:30,743 - [Interviewer] So tell us why we're here today. 1315 00:57:32,787 --> 00:57:37,291 - Well, I had said that I would give some background 1316 00:57:37,333 --> 00:57:40,336 on Sheryl and Patrick and when I babysat. 1317 00:57:40,378 --> 00:57:42,839 My conscience bothered me for 1318 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,757 how I felt like I was dishonest to you 1319 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:46,384 and I felt like I needed to fix that. 1320 00:57:46,426 --> 00:57:48,803 - [Interviewer] So there's more to say about Patrick? 1321 00:57:48,845 --> 00:57:51,347 (tense music)