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Franklin County
Sheriff's Office.
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Can I help you?
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Hello?
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I was--
what is this with you?
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What's the address?
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Stygler and Agler
by the Speedway!
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Okay. Okay, I need you
to stop screaming
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so I can understand you.
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- What is the address?
- The address is
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Stygler and Agler in Gahanna
by the Speedway.
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What's going on?
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Okay, I'm gonna start
by asking you your name.
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Full name.
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Is it okay
if I call you Judy?
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Now, do you know a man
named Michael Slager?
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And did you begin dating him
in April 2015?
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I wanna talk to you about
Sunday, August 2nd, 2015.
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Do you recall that day?
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On that day,
were you with Mr. Slager?
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A guy just set a woman
on fire.
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Okay, stop screaming
'cause I can't understand you.
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- I got you--
- Are you serious?
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A guy just set
a woman on fire!
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A guy set what on fire?
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A guy just set
a woman on fire!
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- all: * Happy birthday to you
- Judith.
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all: * Happy birthday to you
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♪ Happy birthday, dear Judy
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♪ Happy birthday to you
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Now, blow out
all the candles.
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Keep going.
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No car.
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- Nobody gets the car, okay?
- I get the car!
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Those are trick candles.
I just know.
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I kept trying and trying
to have a baby,
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and trying and trying
and trying and trying.
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I wanted to be a mom,
wanted to be a mom.
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And finally...
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♪
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Judy was my firstborn.
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She made me a mom.
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I remember it
like it was yesterday.
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It was the happiest time
of my life.
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She was my easiest baby,
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and she was just
my best friend.
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Mama, did you get that?
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- She was just loud, happy.
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There was nobody
that Judy didn't love.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Oh. Oh, no!
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She always would say, "Mom,
I wanna have a simple life.
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"I wanna be a school teacher,
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"and I just wanna live
in a nice neighborhood
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with a husband that loves me,
and two kids."
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People can just say,
like, I love you and all,
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and, like, not always mean it,
but for my mom,
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like, I always knew that
she, like, actually loved me.
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And then, her back rubs?
The best.
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They really help you sleep.
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And Amber,
did you get your bag?
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When I was a little kid,
I would look at my mom,
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and I would just wanna grow up
and look exactly like her.
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Nice job!
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And then,
after the fire,
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I still wanna dig her up
and be like her.
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At Speedway!
A lady is on fire!
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- Somebody is on fire?
- We've already got a call.
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The fire department's
on the way.
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Can you tell me
who did this? Like--
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There's a guy
just out there.
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He's standing out there still.
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He sat next to her.
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He's in, like,
a blue or black truck.
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He has tattoos all over him.
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- He's still here.
- What did he do?
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What--like, gasoline?
What did he do?
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The girl was sitting
on the grass,
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and he--he threw something.
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And all of a sudden,
she's on fire.
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The police are there?
I think the police are here.
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Okay.
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- How are you doing?
- How are you?
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Lieutenant Cohagen,
with Gahanna,
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here to see Adams
from the Slager case.
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Okay.
Come on in.
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Thanks.
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I was at a barbecue
with my family
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when we got the 911 call.
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A lady had been set on fire
behind our Speedway station.
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♪
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There's businesses.
There's traffic.
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There's a restaurant.
It's a very busy gas station.
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It's a very busy--I mean,
it's an intersection
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of two very busy roads.
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Okay, this is the Speedway
at Agler and...
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Our officers are thinking
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there was a little fire
and someone got burned.
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Department's on the way.
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But when they get there,
they see clearly this instance
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was a lot more than what
they thought it was gonna be.
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- In here, those three boxes.
- Okay.
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Uh...
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Michael's story,
at that point,
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was that Judy had
filled the truck with gas
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and accidentally
got some gas on her.
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And when he went
to light a cigarette for her,
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that's when she caught fire.
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Clearly to our officers
and to everyone that was there,
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that story did not make sense
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because of the amount of damage
that was done to Judy.
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This first piece
is Judy's jeans.
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You can see how a lot
of the fire went down her back.
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You know, went everywhere--
80% to 90% of her body--
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but a lot of it
was dumped down her back,
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went down her--
went down her shirt,
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went down through
her buttocks area.
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So you'll see
how hot the fire was.
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It actually melted,
like, a backpack or a bag.
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But this is Judy's bra.
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You can see one half here,
and then another half here.
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And then, it--it cut this off
and actually burned off,
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or it melted.
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The lighter here
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and the fingerprint
taken from the lighter.
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I had sent detectives
to Heartland Bank
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to see if they had any footage
of the event.
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Honestly, we didn't think
there would be,
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but we knew we had to check.
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Those detectives went
and got the footage.
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They FaceTimed me.
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And while we were
in the hospital,
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we found some room--I think
there was, like, a closet--
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and we all watched the video
together for the first time.
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Everyone was silent.
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I think we're all
kind of taking it in.
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It looked--it looked
like a movie scene.
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Even through FaceTime,
it clearly showed
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that they had been--
they were arguing,
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and then
Michael dumped gas over her.
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So we knew right away
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that Michael's story--
he had lied to us.
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Them two--it looked
like they were arguing.
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She dropped her bags
on the ground.
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And then,
he pulled up
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and, like, walked up to her
with a lighter
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or something
to light a cigarette.
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And she, like--
I don't know what happened.
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Like, something
was all over her.
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She just ignited immediately.
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He is bad.
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For me, that scene
has played out in dreams
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more times than I can count.
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I had just talked to Judy,
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maybe 20 minutes beforehand,
maybe half hour.
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Not very long.
Not very long at all.
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And... I got that phone call.
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And I picked up the phone, and
someone on the other end said,
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"Are you
Judy Malinowski's mom?"
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And I remember thinking,
what a strange question.
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And I said,
"Yeah, I'm Judy's mom."
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And they said
this was the hospital,
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and "we have your daughter,"
and that I should come now.
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And...
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And they said
she had been hurt
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and that we need
to intubate her.
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My mom called me, frantic.
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She said that there was a fire
at the gas station
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and that's all she knew,
and that they were both burned.
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I remember
where I was on the highway,
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and it dawned on me:
they said "intubate her."
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And then, it hit me.
Oh, that's life support.
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I've seen plenty of burns
to her degree.
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I can't say we've--
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I've seen many of them
survive past a few days.
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And I got there.
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I am walking
through this maze.
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I went into--I was trying
to get to the trauma bay.
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There was some nurse
who took me the wrong way.
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I-I went past Michael's room.
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I went in
before anybody could stop me
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'cause I was looking
for my daughter.
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I was looking for my baby,
and I went in there,
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and I was like,
"Michael, where is Judy?
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Where is Judy?"
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And I'll never forget it.
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He looked at me,
and he said,
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"It was an accident.
It was an accident."
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And before I could
get my composure
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or continue
to ask him questions,
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they shuffled me
out of his room
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and said, "No, no, no,
you come with us.
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Judy's not here."
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And I didn't understand
why they--
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why are the policemen
and why are these people--
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you know, shuffled me
right out, away from him?
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The whole family
definitely has PTSD
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from, like,
that incident especially,
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so it's weird
how we all remember it
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a little bit differently.
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All I can remember is
I just started screaming,
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"Tell me there's hope.
Tell me there's hope.
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Tell me there's hope."
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I just--that's all I could say.
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And they wouldn't tell me
there was hope.
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They wouldn't say anything.
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They just said
they're working on her.
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Nothing could
possibly prepare you
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for the condition that--
that she was in.
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All I had seen was my child.
All I had seen was my baby.
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I did not see
what I see in pictures today.
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But I looked back
over my shoulder,
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and there was
my other daughter.
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She was in the middle of the
hallway, sitting on a chair,
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and I remember nurses were
running to attend to her.
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And I-I remember looking.
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She was throwing up
in the hallway, everywhere.
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And it was kind of
just slow-motion.
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She just didn't see
what I'd seen.
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I thought, like,
I could handle it,
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but I ended up, like,
starting to pass out.
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In the burn world,
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we have an equation
for mortality,
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which is based on the patient's
age and percent burn.
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And in Judy's case,
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she was 31 at the time
of the burn, I believe,
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and approximately
80-plus percent burned,
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so that made her,
like, 110% mortality.
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We were concerned
with Judy passing
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and us not getting anything
on the record.
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Whether or not the courts
could get it in,
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that wasn't my concern.
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I wanted something--
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I wanted Judy's voice to be
heard as quickly as possible.
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Doctors and nurses
are looking at you like,
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"Do you wanna bring this person
out of sedation?"
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Judy.
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And we knew that we had to.
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- She's lifting her arm.
- Judy, can you hear me?
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- Yeah, honey. My name is Ken--
- Mommy is here!
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- Hold one. One sec.
- Okay.
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My name is Kendra.
I'll be your nurse today, okay?
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We're taking good care of you.
You're in the hospital, okay?
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You have some burns,
so we're just gonna try
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to keep you comfortable here, okay?
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Are you hurting right now?
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Okay.
All righty.
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Would you mind if someone
asked you a couple questions
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about what happened?
252
00:15:10,829 --> 00:15:13,896
Stay calm, Jude.
Just stay calm, baby.
253
00:15:13,929 --> 00:15:16,097
I hadn't ever seen trauma
like that
254
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to a human body
that wasn't deceased.
255
00:15:23,129 --> 00:15:26,129
I remember leaning in
to talk to her,
256
00:15:26,162 --> 00:15:28,562
and she doesn't have any ears
to talk to,
257
00:15:28,596 --> 00:15:30,362
so, you know, I don't even
know if she can hear me.
258
00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:32,429
Judy, this is Detective Cohagen
with Gahanna.
259
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Can you hear me?
260
00:15:33,796 --> 00:15:35,596
- Yes.
- You can?
261
00:15:35,629 --> 00:15:38,862
Judy, did you spill gas
on yourself?
262
00:15:38,896 --> 00:15:40,729
- No?
- Mm-mm.
263
00:15:40,762 --> 00:15:44,462
Did Mike spill gas on you?
264
00:15:44,496 --> 00:15:47,929
Did Mike throw gas on you?
265
00:15:47,962 --> 00:15:49,096
Yes.
266
00:15:49,096 --> 00:15:52,096
Yes? Okay.
Thank you.
267
00:15:52,129 --> 00:15:53,796
She was clearly processing.
268
00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:56,962
She was clearly--
she understood--
269
00:15:56,996 --> 00:15:58,796
you know, she responded
to Bonnie's voice,
270
00:15:58,829 --> 00:16:01,762
she responded to my voice
and my two questions.
271
00:16:01,796 --> 00:16:04,096
Judy, you're gonna
get better, baby.
272
00:16:04,096 --> 00:16:06,829
She was able to give me
the information that we needed
273
00:16:06,862 --> 00:16:08,129
to pursue the investigation
at that point.
274
00:16:08,162 --> 00:16:10,996
This is Mommy.
You fight for Maddie, okay?
275
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And the police said that they
were going to arrest Michael,
276
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and I-I didn't understand why.
277
00:16:20,996 --> 00:16:23,496
No, that can't be.
278
00:16:23,529 --> 00:16:24,696
There must be a mistake,
279
00:16:24,729 --> 00:16:28,962
and maybe-maybe
she was confused.
280
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♪
281
00:16:35,962 --> 00:16:36,996
Hi.
282
00:16:37,096 --> 00:16:38,896
- Mike.
- Yep.
283
00:16:41,196 --> 00:16:44,762
All right.
284
00:16:44,796 --> 00:16:47,529
We need to talk to you
about what happened, okay?
285
00:16:47,562 --> 00:16:49,996
So what, there--am I
under arrest or something?
286
00:16:50,096 --> 00:16:51,996
Right now, yeah,
you are under arrest.
287
00:16:52,096 --> 00:16:53,096
And what am I
being charged with?
288
00:16:53,096 --> 00:16:54,829
You're gonna be charged
with felonious assault
289
00:16:54,862 --> 00:16:58,496
and aggravated arson.
290
00:16:58,529 --> 00:17:01,262
Okay. Let me just be direct
with you too, Mike, okay?
291
00:17:01,296 --> 00:17:03,562
Where you--where the--
what it happened at,
292
00:17:03,596 --> 00:17:05,896
there's an ATM
right there, okay?
293
00:17:05,929 --> 00:17:08,929
That ATM records all the time.
294
00:17:08,962 --> 00:17:10,762
When the detectives
go pull the footage,
295
00:17:10,796 --> 00:17:13,096
and they reviewed the footage--
we've all seen the footage--
296
00:17:13,129 --> 00:17:15,929
we know exactly
what happened, okay?
297
00:17:15,962 --> 00:17:17,696
So we saw
exactly what happened.
298
00:17:17,729 --> 00:17:20,662
We saw you pour gasoline
over top of her head.
299
00:17:20,696 --> 00:17:21,995
She stumbles to the ground.
300
00:17:22,096 --> 00:17:23,729
You lean over
and light her on fire.
301
00:17:23,762 --> 00:17:25,862
We saw what happened.
302
00:17:25,896 --> 00:17:28,562
We know what happened.
303
00:17:28,596 --> 00:17:30,196
That's not the way it looks,
304
00:17:30,229 --> 00:17:33,196
so I'm just ready
to talk to my attorney now.
305
00:17:33,229 --> 00:17:36,862
If it's not the way it looks,
I'd love to hear
306
00:17:36,896 --> 00:17:39,496
what--what more there is to it.
307
00:17:41,529 --> 00:17:43,662
Well...
308
00:17:45,696 --> 00:17:47,096
'Cause right now, Mike,
it looks like
309
00:17:47,129 --> 00:17:49,829
you poured gasoline on her
and you set her on fire.
310
00:17:49,862 --> 00:17:53,229
There's more to the story.
I need to know that.
311
00:17:53,262 --> 00:17:54,896
I care.
312
00:17:54,929 --> 00:17:56,096
We care about the truth,
313
00:17:56,129 --> 00:17:58,596
the entire truth
of the whole situation.
314
00:17:58,629 --> 00:18:03,229
We were arguing.
She-she threw pop on my face.
315
00:18:03,262 --> 00:18:04,995
And then, we was going
back and forth with it.
316
00:18:05,096 --> 00:18:06,562
Then, she come in
and spit in my face.
317
00:18:06,596 --> 00:18:07,929
And I said,
"Oh, we're here.
318
00:18:07,961 --> 00:18:09,562
You know, you wanna
ruin my stuff up,"
319
00:18:09,596 --> 00:18:10,961
'cause this is how I told her.
320
00:18:10,995 --> 00:18:12,995
I said, "Here. Boom,
I'm gonna ruin your clothes."
321
00:18:13,096 --> 00:18:15,662
It wasn't to-to start her
on fire or nothing.
322
00:18:15,696 --> 00:18:16,796
- You know what I mean?
- Okay.
323
00:18:16,829 --> 00:18:17,961
It was just
to ruin her clothes.
324
00:18:17,995 --> 00:18:19,129
- Right. Yeah.
- Okay?
325
00:18:19,162 --> 00:18:20,196
So, "You ruin my stuff,
I'm gonna ruin your stuff."
326
00:18:20,229 --> 00:18:24,229
So she--she didn't stumble.
She just sat down.
327
00:18:24,262 --> 00:18:25,729
She was sitting down.
328
00:18:25,762 --> 00:18:27,995
And then, she said, "Well..."
329
00:18:28,096 --> 00:18:30,196
You know, I was getting
ready to leave, you know?
330
00:18:30,229 --> 00:18:32,096
And she's like, "Well..."
331
00:18:32,129 --> 00:18:33,961
'Cause I was just gonna say,
fuck it, you know, leave.
332
00:18:33,995 --> 00:18:35,262
Yeah, take off.
333
00:18:35,296 --> 00:18:36,829
And she was like,
"Well, don't leave.
334
00:18:36,862 --> 00:18:38,629
Don't leave," you know?
335
00:18:38,662 --> 00:18:40,928
You know, "Can you bring me
a cigarette and stuff?"
336
00:18:40,961 --> 00:18:42,329
And she was getting ready
to change clothes,
337
00:18:42,362 --> 00:18:44,562
- 'cause she's got extra clothes.
- Mm-hmm.
338
00:18:44,596 --> 00:18:47,829
And she was like--
you know, I didn't think--
339
00:18:47,862 --> 00:18:50,262
I got--you know,
there--there was that--
340
00:18:50,296 --> 00:18:51,829
you know, really
it was gonna be that.
341
00:18:51,862 --> 00:18:53,129
- Sure.
- So she was--
342
00:18:53,162 --> 00:18:54,995
I walked over
to give her a light.
343
00:18:55,096 --> 00:18:56,629
- That was it.
- And then, she just--
344
00:18:56,662 --> 00:18:58,895
And she--when she went up,
I couldn't believe it.
345
00:18:58,928 --> 00:19:01,229
I just didn't think that
it was gonna be like that.
346
00:19:01,262 --> 00:19:02,961
Right.
You know, in our head,
347
00:19:02,995 --> 00:19:06,096
it never made sense
that he went from so angry
348
00:19:06,096 --> 00:19:08,196
that he's pouring gasoline
on somebody,
349
00:19:08,229 --> 00:19:09,895
to 33 seconds later,
350
00:19:09,928 --> 00:19:12,895
he's nice enough
and has peace of mind enough
351
00:19:12,928 --> 00:19:15,196
to go back
and light a cigarette for them.
352
00:19:15,229 --> 00:19:17,129
It didn't--it didn't
make any sense.
353
00:19:17,162 --> 00:19:18,796
It was an accident.
I didn't--
354
00:19:18,829 --> 00:19:21,396
- He's not going in for it.
- Right.
355
00:19:21,429 --> 00:19:23,729
You know, when you're
gonna see that thing,
356
00:19:23,762 --> 00:19:25,096
it just makes it
look all different.
357
00:19:25,096 --> 00:19:26,961
- You know what I mean?
- Oh, mm-hmm.
358
00:19:26,995 --> 00:19:30,196
- I'm coming in.
- It does.
359
00:19:30,229 --> 00:19:31,861
It makes it look
completely different.
360
00:19:31,895 --> 00:19:33,162
I just wanna turn--
361
00:19:33,196 --> 00:19:35,162
- Hi.
- How are you doing?
362
00:19:35,196 --> 00:19:38,296
You know, I'd heard
about the case briefly.
363
00:19:38,329 --> 00:19:39,861
I was kinda surprised.
364
00:19:39,895 --> 00:19:41,229
His picture, when I saw,
365
00:19:41,262 --> 00:19:43,995
it kind of looked like
he was kind of a big thug
366
00:19:44,096 --> 00:19:47,829
and one of these
dangerous physical types,
367
00:19:47,861 --> 00:19:49,362
but he really wasn't.
368
00:19:49,396 --> 00:19:54,096
He was--he was
very-very soft-spoken,
369
00:19:54,096 --> 00:19:55,895
more intelligent
than I would've guessed,
370
00:19:55,928 --> 00:19:58,196
a little more subdued.
371
00:19:58,229 --> 00:19:59,861
And he's a smart guy.
He's not an idiot.
372
00:19:59,895 --> 00:20:02,162
I--he really is a smart guy,
373
00:20:06,096 --> 00:20:08,362
But he had made
several statements
374
00:20:08,396 --> 00:20:11,861
about how the gasoline
got on Judy,
375
00:20:11,895 --> 00:20:15,662
and that, to me, was probably
the biggest detriment,
376
00:20:15,696 --> 00:20:19,396
the biggest problem
that we were facing.
377
00:20:19,429 --> 00:20:21,861
So, I mean, I knew the lie,
don't get me wrong,
378
00:20:21,895 --> 00:20:25,861
but that--the lie was
about how the gas got on her,
379
00:20:25,895 --> 00:20:28,362
and then he developed
from there.
380
00:20:28,396 --> 00:20:30,129
"Okay, I did.
I panicked.
381
00:20:30,162 --> 00:20:31,895
"I lied about that,
and I shouldn't have,
382
00:20:31,928 --> 00:20:34,329
"but she took
her sweatshirt off
383
00:20:34,362 --> 00:20:36,995
"and it didn't even occur
to me
384
00:20:37,028 --> 00:20:40,062
"that there would
still be gas there.
385
00:20:40,096 --> 00:20:41,995
"So when she calmed down
and sat down
386
00:20:42,028 --> 00:20:43,762
"and asked me to help her
with a light,
387
00:20:43,795 --> 00:20:48,096
I had no reason to think
that she would be in flames."
388
00:20:48,129 --> 00:20:52,861
♪
389
00:20:52,895 --> 00:20:56,196
In this case, where I thought
that there was some doubt,
390
00:20:56,229 --> 00:21:03,096
was to whether he knowingly
caused serious physical harm.
391
00:21:07,129 --> 00:21:10,129
I still have trouble understanding
392
00:21:10,162 --> 00:21:15,229
that someone could do that
to another human being.
393
00:21:15,262 --> 00:21:19,096
I ask myself,
over and over,
394
00:21:19,096 --> 00:21:21,429
"Are you sure she didn't
just get a cigarette out
395
00:21:21,462 --> 00:21:22,795
and light it?"
396
00:21:26,096 --> 00:21:28,262
I called Detective Cohagen
more than one time
397
00:21:28,296 --> 00:21:30,196
to come back
to the hospital
398
00:21:30,229 --> 00:21:34,429
and tell me again
what he said.
399
00:21:34,462 --> 00:21:37,795
"Tell me again.
Tell me again. Tell me again."
400
00:21:37,828 --> 00:21:40,928
I have a 9:00 meeting
with Detective Cohagen.
401
00:21:44,995 --> 00:21:47,696
My name is Bonnie Bowes.
402
00:21:49,096 --> 00:21:50,396
Okay.
Thank you.
403
00:21:50,429 --> 00:21:54,096
- So Judy's right here.
- Mm-hmm, I see her.
404
00:21:54,129 --> 00:21:57,696
Uh-huh.
405
00:21:57,728 --> 00:21:59,895
As you can see here,
she ran across to here
406
00:21:59,928 --> 00:22:01,196
and walked across to here.
407
00:22:01,229 --> 00:22:02,362
- And now--
- She's angry.
408
00:22:02,396 --> 00:22:03,162
- You can see her hands.
- You can tell.
409
00:22:03,196 --> 00:22:04,196
- She's very demonstrative.
- Yeah.
410
00:22:04,229 --> 00:22:06,096
- She's very--right.
- I just know my child.
411
00:22:06,096 --> 00:22:07,329
She's angry.
They see her.
412
00:22:07,362 --> 00:22:08,529
She's--she's
throwing her arms,
413
00:22:08,562 --> 00:22:09,961
so she's mad
about something there.
414
00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:12,795
Yeah.
415
00:22:12,828 --> 00:22:14,296
At one point,
she does pick up the drink,
416
00:22:14,329 --> 00:22:15,995
and she does throw the drink.
417
00:22:16,096 --> 00:22:19,462
She keeps backing up
further from him.
418
00:22:19,496 --> 00:22:21,795
And she clearly wants nothing
to do with him here,
419
00:22:21,828 --> 00:22:23,362
and she starts walking away.
420
00:22:26,329 --> 00:22:28,761
I'm gonna fast-forward this
a little bit.
421
00:22:32,329 --> 00:22:34,995
She'll come on into frame here.
422
00:22:35,096 --> 00:22:37,362
You can clearly see him
dumping a red can
423
00:22:37,396 --> 00:22:42,229
over top of her
and liquid spilling down.
424
00:22:42,262 --> 00:22:43,362
Oh, my gosh.
425
00:22:48,496 --> 00:22:50,262
So, she comes.
426
00:22:50,296 --> 00:22:52,496
And she'll go
to the ground here.
427
00:22:52,529 --> 00:22:53,961
Yeah.
428
00:23:07,429 --> 00:23:09,096
She's in frame here
for a little bit,
429
00:23:09,129 --> 00:23:12,262
but then you see her get up,
stagger off,
430
00:23:12,296 --> 00:23:13,961
and she's never back in frame.
431
00:23:13,995 --> 00:23:17,096
He bent down and literally
just lit her on fire?
432
00:23:17,129 --> 00:23:19,562
He did.
Yeah, absolutely.
433
00:23:25,861 --> 00:23:27,096
He dumped that on her
434
00:23:27,129 --> 00:23:29,462
and then immediately
lit her on fire?
435
00:23:29,496 --> 00:23:31,362
No, he walks off,
436
00:23:31,396 --> 00:23:33,462
goes back to the truck
like he's gonna drive away.
437
00:23:33,496 --> 00:23:34,928
Yeah.
438
00:23:34,961 --> 00:23:36,596
He starts
to get in the truck,
439
00:23:36,628 --> 00:23:39,928
and then decides, you know,
for whatever reason,
440
00:23:39,961 --> 00:23:41,895
"No, I'm not getting
in the truck."
441
00:23:41,928 --> 00:23:43,995
And according to the witnesses,
he stomps over to her
442
00:23:44,096 --> 00:23:46,362
like he's going to punch her,
443
00:23:46,396 --> 00:23:48,396
but then that's when he reaches
down and sets her on fire.
444
00:23:50,529 --> 00:23:54,096
- So he thought about it.
- Yeah.
445
00:23:56,928 --> 00:23:57,995
Yeah.
446
00:24:04,961 --> 00:24:06,496
And then, he went
and got a fire extinguisher?
447
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:10,162
He sat there
and watched her in flames,
448
00:24:10,196 --> 00:24:12,096
and then a witness ran over.
449
00:24:12,129 --> 00:24:13,496
And according to the witness,
450
00:24:13,529 --> 00:24:15,429
he felt like
his presence there
451
00:24:15,462 --> 00:24:18,162
is what prompted Michael
to run around
452
00:24:18,196 --> 00:24:20,529
and get a fire extinguisher.
453
00:24:20,562 --> 00:24:23,628
- Yeah. And just people came.
- Right.
454
00:24:36,096 --> 00:24:37,496
We talk in our system
455
00:24:37,529 --> 00:24:40,628
about how defendants
deserve zealous advocacy.
456
00:24:40,661 --> 00:24:43,595
I believe victims deserve
themselves advocates as well.
457
00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:51,162
I could probably prosecute
for another 20 years
458
00:24:51,196 --> 00:24:54,496
and not get a case that is so
right for the death penalty.
459
00:24:57,462 --> 00:25:02,329
And really, for the first
several months of this case,
460
00:25:02,362 --> 00:25:06,162
we were--we were playing
the delay game.
461
00:25:06,196 --> 00:25:07,561
It sounds terrible,
462
00:25:07,595 --> 00:25:10,096
but we were basically
waiting for Judy to die
463
00:25:10,096 --> 00:25:13,661
so that we could charge
Mr. Slager with the homicide.
464
00:25:18,695 --> 00:25:22,695
And we got a call one day
that she was awake,
465
00:25:22,728 --> 00:25:24,296
which is a call
I never expected to get.
466
00:25:27,129 --> 00:25:34,229
♪
467
00:25:34,262 --> 00:25:37,129
First homicide case
that I've handled
468
00:25:37,162 --> 00:25:39,096
where I got to meet the victim.
469
00:26:18,262 --> 00:26:20,461
So many surgeries
and failed grafts.
470
00:26:20,495 --> 00:26:23,362
- Dress from the front.
- Ow!
471
00:26:23,396 --> 00:26:29,561
And dressings were...
beyond excruciating.
472
00:26:29,595 --> 00:26:31,096
And I didn't--at that point,
I don't think
473
00:26:31,129 --> 00:26:34,561
she really understood
that there was a case.
474
00:26:34,595 --> 00:26:38,595
It had to be explained to her
that Mr. Slager was in jail.
475
00:26:38,628 --> 00:26:41,096
I remember her being emotional
about that.
476
00:26:41,096 --> 00:26:46,396
She--she actually felt bad
for Mike at that point.
477
00:26:48,761 --> 00:26:51,196
But at the same time,
there was a level of fear,
478
00:26:51,229 --> 00:26:52,795
so I reassured her
479
00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:54,129
that I would do everything
in my power
480
00:26:54,162 --> 00:26:57,461
to keep him locked up.
481
00:26:57,495 --> 00:27:01,096
That is probably
how I ended up being the one
482
00:27:01,129 --> 00:27:03,828
that had a bond with her.
483
00:27:03,861 --> 00:27:07,461
Do you know
how many surgeries you've had?
484
00:27:09,329 --> 00:27:13,595
And you're aware that
you have coded seven times.
485
00:27:15,795 --> 00:27:17,761
Can you tell me about
the pain that you live with?
486
00:27:54,329 --> 00:28:00,561
♪
487
00:28:00,595 --> 00:28:02,196
'Cause, like,
you know, like,
488
00:28:02,229 --> 00:28:04,928
if you get burnt
by a cigarette or something,
489
00:28:04,961 --> 00:28:06,329
and I thought it was
just gonna be like that
490
00:28:06,361 --> 00:28:09,928
on certain parts of her body.
491
00:28:09,961 --> 00:28:12,162
And when I walked in,
I definitely was like,
492
00:28:12,196 --> 00:28:15,329
that's not my mom.
493
00:28:15,361 --> 00:28:16,661
You just don't believe
that that's
494
00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:18,428
who they're telling you it is.
495
00:28:34,461 --> 00:28:36,395
I need you to stop
and come here.
496
00:28:36,428 --> 00:28:37,728
- Okay, I'm coming.
- All right.
497
00:28:37,761 --> 00:28:39,761
You're being a brat.
498
00:28:39,795 --> 00:28:43,761
One of my problem--
one of your problems is
499
00:28:43,795 --> 00:28:46,795
that you don't want
to deal with it,
500
00:28:46,828 --> 00:28:49,162
'cause I can't--you--you--
501
00:28:49,196 --> 00:28:51,595
I can't manage you
if you don't deal with it.
502
00:28:51,628 --> 00:28:52,928
And don't--I don't want you
to start crying.
503
00:28:52,961 --> 00:28:53,828
I don't want you to be upset.
I just want--
504
00:28:53,861 --> 00:28:55,428
I'm not.
505
00:28:55,461 --> 00:28:57,229
I just want you to know,
I get that you're angry.
506
00:28:57,262 --> 00:28:58,495
I get that you're mad.
507
00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:01,561
Nothing will ever be okay
for what he did,
508
00:29:01,595 --> 00:29:05,295
but if you ever wanna be happy,
509
00:29:05,328 --> 00:29:07,262
you have to promise me you'll
try to engage in therapy.
510
00:29:07,295 --> 00:29:09,561
Okay.
511
00:29:09,595 --> 00:29:11,495
- Is that fair?
- Yes.
512
00:29:21,428 --> 00:29:24,895
Judy's medical bills
were well into the millions.
513
00:29:24,928 --> 00:29:30,561
I've already--I'm gonna file
for victim's assistance.
514
00:29:30,595 --> 00:29:32,995
They sent me
a standard form letter,
515
00:29:33,096 --> 00:29:37,761
and it said they were sorry
to inform me that if you have
516
00:29:37,795 --> 00:29:43,428
any kind of illegal substance
in your system in Ohio,
517
00:29:43,461 --> 00:29:47,229
then you don't qualify
as a victim.
518
00:29:49,628 --> 00:29:51,261
They said the law is the law
519
00:29:51,295 --> 00:29:55,461
and they absolutely
would not give me a penny.
520
00:29:59,695 --> 00:30:02,828
She was not perfect,
but she was human.
521
00:30:02,861 --> 00:30:08,595
And she was on her way
to rehab when this happened.
522
00:30:10,495 --> 00:30:13,695
Did you have a diagnosis and
a--and a surgical procedure
523
00:30:13,728 --> 00:30:15,561
when you were 27 years old?
524
00:30:18,761 --> 00:30:21,795
Okay.
And you had some complications
525
00:30:21,828 --> 00:30:25,728
as a result of that surgery,
correct?
526
00:30:25,761 --> 00:30:27,228
Tell me what happened
as a result
527
00:30:27,261 --> 00:30:30,295
of those complications
from the surgery.
528
00:30:39,828 --> 00:30:41,795
She had told me,
"Mom, I'm getting addicted
529
00:30:41,828 --> 00:30:43,228
to this pain medicine."
530
00:30:43,261 --> 00:30:47,828
And I said to her...
531
00:30:50,695 --> 00:30:53,828
"Judy, it's fine."
I'll never forget it.
532
00:30:53,861 --> 00:30:56,795
I said, "Just take them
as the doctor prescribes them.
533
00:30:56,828 --> 00:30:58,695
"So it says four a day,
take four a day.
534
00:30:58,728 --> 00:31:00,328
It's fine."
535
00:31:13,096 --> 00:31:17,895
I didn't know what it was.
536
00:31:17,928 --> 00:31:21,528
So, like, I didn't know
it was heroin
537
00:31:21,561 --> 00:31:24,795
or I didn't--I had no idea
what exactly she was doing,
538
00:31:24,828 --> 00:31:30,395
but the sister that I knew
was deteriorating.
539
00:31:30,428 --> 00:31:33,795
I realized that
she was a binge user
540
00:31:33,828 --> 00:31:38,928
and she would go and use
541
00:31:38,961 --> 00:31:41,695
and self-medicate
whenever she needed.
542
00:31:41,728 --> 00:31:45,096
We knew my sister,
when she was in her addiction,
543
00:31:45,096 --> 00:31:49,495
couldn't care for the girls
the same way.
544
00:31:49,528 --> 00:31:52,728
And so,
I had helped with Maddie,
545
00:31:52,761 --> 00:31:56,096
and then my mom had Kaylyn
full-time.
546
00:32:32,095 --> 00:32:34,995
♪
547
00:32:43,961 --> 00:32:46,728
And we went to a place
called Parkside,
548
00:32:46,761 --> 00:32:50,095
and it was a private place.
549
00:32:50,128 --> 00:32:56,095
And it was a lot of money,
but she got sober.
550
00:32:56,095 --> 00:32:59,928
And she was going to meetings,
551
00:33:00,095 --> 00:33:02,761
like three, four,
five meetings a week.
552
00:33:02,795 --> 00:33:03,861
They got her
on the right track,
553
00:33:03,895 --> 00:33:05,661
and now she's living
with the girls.
554
00:33:05,695 --> 00:33:09,995
I think for the first time,
throughout her whole addiction,
555
00:33:10,095 --> 00:33:12,161
I felt like
I had my sister back.
556
00:33:24,095 --> 00:33:28,961
Well, one thing that
I feel like I should have known
557
00:33:28,995 --> 00:33:31,095
- before...
- Bring it on. What?
558
00:33:31,095 --> 00:33:33,861
Was about
the whole drug thing.
559
00:33:33,895 --> 00:33:36,528
Okay, let's talk about that.
You want to?
560
00:33:36,561 --> 00:33:37,761
Yeah, because I feel like
561
00:33:37,795 --> 00:33:39,861
there's a lot of secrets
that I didn't know.
562
00:33:39,895 --> 00:33:42,128
Well, nothing was
a secret, Maddie.
563
00:33:42,161 --> 00:33:43,495
You had the right to know
564
00:33:43,528 --> 00:33:46,195
when you were old enough
to understand.
565
00:33:46,228 --> 00:33:48,795
Kaylee, she still doesn't have
the coping skills.
566
00:33:48,828 --> 00:33:51,795
I mean, I understand
she made a slight mistake.
567
00:33:51,828 --> 00:33:53,495
Okay, so--but she--she--
568
00:33:53,528 --> 00:33:54,994
I know
she didn't wanna do them.
569
00:33:55,095 --> 00:33:57,528
Like, she just got
addicted somehow.
570
00:33:57,561 --> 00:33:59,095
Age-appropriate. You know
I'm always talking about,
571
00:33:59,128 --> 00:34:00,228
to you and to Kaylee,
572
00:34:00,261 --> 00:34:01,095
age-appropriate,
age-appropriate.
573
00:34:02,961 --> 00:34:04,095
When you were
age-appropriate.
574
00:34:04,128 --> 00:34:05,095
You could have been
mature enough at 12,
575
00:34:05,128 --> 00:34:07,261
or you could have been
matured enough at 16.
576
00:34:07,295 --> 00:34:09,095
Can't imagine being
as young as your mom--
577
00:34:09,128 --> 00:34:11,828
was in her 20s--
having two kids,
578
00:34:11,861 --> 00:34:14,095
and, you know--
you know, her--
579
00:34:14,128 --> 00:34:16,161
your dad left her
and--and cheated on her.
580
00:34:16,195 --> 00:34:19,095
She was very, very sick
with ovarian cancer.
581
00:34:19,128 --> 00:34:20,095
And then, you're too young
to understand
582
00:34:20,095 --> 00:34:24,095
what it's like to have
a big, big surgery
583
00:34:24,128 --> 00:34:25,661
and it throws your whole body
out of whack.
584
00:34:25,695 --> 00:34:26,695
She was in a lot of pain.
585
00:34:26,728 --> 00:34:27,728
They're giving her lots
and lots
586
00:34:27,761 --> 00:34:28,928
and lots of pain medicine.
587
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,595
I did not know how strong
588
00:34:31,628 --> 00:34:34,095
the-the opiate addiction
was gonna be.
589
00:34:34,095 --> 00:34:36,095
And you don't even know
what an opiate is, do you?
590
00:34:36,128 --> 00:34:37,994
- Mm-mm.
- Yeah, so that's pain pills.
591
00:34:38,095 --> 00:34:40,128
That's how she became addicted
to pain medicine.
592
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,928
When you can't get it
from a doctor,
593
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,828
you just go,
and there's a street value
594
00:34:43,861 --> 00:34:45,095
and you buy it on the street.
595
00:34:45,128 --> 00:34:46,828
And I'm sorry,
but you should have heard it
596
00:34:46,861 --> 00:34:47,928
when you were age-appropriate.
597
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,895
I'm fine;
I just wanna forget that
598
00:34:49,928 --> 00:34:51,761
until I am age-appropriate
to...
599
00:34:51,795 --> 00:34:52,895
- That's smart.
- Know that.
600
00:34:52,928 --> 00:34:54,128
Like, the fact
that we didn't know
601
00:34:54,161 --> 00:34:55,994
that she was on her way
to Parkside
602
00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:58,195
that morning
before seeing us.
603
00:34:58,228 --> 00:34:59,861
Isn't that a rehab center?
604
00:34:59,895 --> 00:35:01,095
It's rehab
for drugs, alcohol,
605
00:35:01,095 --> 00:35:02,927
and it is also
for mental health.
606
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,161
But you never told us
607
00:35:04,195 --> 00:35:06,728
that she was being taken
to Parkside.
608
00:35:06,761 --> 00:35:08,661
Maybe she didn't want you
to know.
609
00:35:08,695 --> 00:35:10,295
Afterwards,
you should have told us.
610
00:35:10,328 --> 00:35:11,561
Okay, afterwards they said
she was going
611
00:35:11,595 --> 00:35:13,595
to live seven hours.
612
00:35:13,628 --> 00:35:15,828
You could have mentioned
a little bit of it
613
00:35:15,861 --> 00:35:17,795
because I thought that
she was at her apartment
614
00:35:17,828 --> 00:35:18,994
coming over to talk to us,
615
00:35:19,095 --> 00:35:19,960
but that's not
what was happening.
616
00:35:19,994 --> 00:35:21,195
One reason I didn't tell you
617
00:35:21,228 --> 00:35:24,161
is exactly the way
you're acting now,
618
00:35:24,195 --> 00:35:27,161
'cause you still don't get
what your mom went through
619
00:35:27,195 --> 00:35:29,828
or how she even became addicted
to the opiates.
620
00:35:29,861 --> 00:35:31,828
And it was so long ago
621
00:35:31,861 --> 00:35:34,295
that when
she got addicted to it more,
622
00:35:34,328 --> 00:35:37,161
it was so full of people OD'ing
that they had to set up tents
623
00:35:37,195 --> 00:35:39,628
because so many people
were dying of overdoses,
624
00:35:39,661 --> 00:35:41,095
mothers just like yours.
625
00:35:41,128 --> 00:35:43,228
- Is that not true?
- Yeah.
626
00:35:43,261 --> 00:35:44,894
And I know you're angry
627
00:35:44,927 --> 00:35:46,095
and you don't know
how to process all this,
628
00:35:46,128 --> 00:35:48,695
and I'm trying
to have compassion,
629
00:35:48,728 --> 00:35:52,561
but this isn't about your mom,
so let's keep her off trial.
630
00:35:56,095 --> 00:36:00,828
Before she connected
with Michael,
631
00:36:00,861 --> 00:36:04,628
she was doing the best
she had ever done.
632
00:36:07,661 --> 00:36:14,361
♪
633
00:36:17,695 --> 00:36:20,894
Um, everything went downhill
634
00:36:20,927 --> 00:36:23,628
when Michael came
into the picture.
635
00:36:38,295 --> 00:36:43,328
So he began to,
I would say, dote her.
636
00:36:43,361 --> 00:36:46,095
like, just messaging her
637
00:36:46,095 --> 00:36:50,095
and just everything, I guess,
a girl wants to read,
638
00:36:50,095 --> 00:36:52,860
especially, you know,
where Judy was in her life,
639
00:36:52,894 --> 00:36:54,228
you know,
once they met.
640
00:36:59,661 --> 00:37:03,228
I was like, "He looks
like bad news, Judy."
641
00:37:03,261 --> 00:37:04,095
Judy said,
"You know, Mom,
642
00:37:04,128 --> 00:37:06,128
you can't judge a book
by their cover,"
643
00:37:06,161 --> 00:37:09,095
and so on and so forth.
and you know?
644
00:37:10,827 --> 00:37:12,395
I said, "Well, I don't
want the girls around him,
645
00:37:12,428 --> 00:37:14,095
"anywhere near him.
646
00:37:14,095 --> 00:37:15,794
"If you're gonna date him,
I don't want the girls
647
00:37:15,827 --> 00:37:16,761
anywhere near him."
648
00:37:22,461 --> 00:37:24,927
He came over to my home.
649
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,095
And he pulled in my driveway,
and he wanted to speak to me.
650
00:37:30,128 --> 00:37:32,860
He said,
"Just because I have tattoos
651
00:37:32,894 --> 00:37:34,261
"or I look the way I look,
652
00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:37,328
"that doesn't mean
I'm a bad person.
653
00:37:37,361 --> 00:37:40,295
"If you're a Christian
and you have love,
654
00:37:40,328 --> 00:37:45,095
why are you judging me
by my tattoos?"
655
00:37:45,095 --> 00:37:49,361
And I thought,
wow, he's probably right.
656
00:37:49,395 --> 00:37:52,395
You know, Jesus wouldn't
want me to do that.
657
00:37:52,428 --> 00:37:56,161
So I kind of fell in
from that moment on,
658
00:37:56,195 --> 00:38:00,461
like, okay,
back off, Bonnie.
659
00:38:00,495 --> 00:38:04,994
He knew just where to take me
660
00:38:05,095 --> 00:38:08,095
to earn his trust,
661
00:38:08,128 --> 00:38:11,361
and he knew
just where to take to Judy
662
00:38:11,395 --> 00:38:16,295
so that she would continue to
depend on him and to need him.
663
00:38:18,395 --> 00:38:21,328
That's when drugs and all that
came into play.
664
00:38:31,228 --> 00:38:33,827
This was a toxic relationship
665
00:38:33,860 --> 00:38:35,760
that was centered
around drug use
666
00:38:35,794 --> 00:38:40,461
and basically Michael
getting her addicted.
667
00:38:40,495 --> 00:38:46,195
I don't think that
Michael ever did drugs,
668
00:38:46,228 --> 00:38:50,095
and I think that's
an interesting portion
669
00:38:50,128 --> 00:38:54,827
of everything,
because he definitely preyed
670
00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:58,261
on women
that had addiction problems.
671
00:39:18,628 --> 00:39:20,361
I didn't notice
that she relapsed
672
00:39:20,395 --> 00:39:23,894
until probably
halfway through,
673
00:39:23,927 --> 00:39:28,960
and he starts to play me
against Judy.
674
00:39:28,994 --> 00:39:31,228
He honestly started to play me.
675
00:39:31,261 --> 00:39:33,095
"She's on drugs.
676
00:39:33,128 --> 00:39:34,428
"I don't think
I can wake her up.
677
00:39:34,461 --> 00:39:35,395
"I don't think
I can wake her up!
678
00:39:35,428 --> 00:39:37,328
You better call 911."
679
00:39:37,361 --> 00:39:39,595
As time went on, there was
more and more of this.
680
00:39:39,628 --> 00:39:42,927
She--you know,
he would call me and say,
681
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,395
"She didn't come home.
How dare her!"
682
00:39:45,428 --> 00:39:49,927
So, I started thinking,
bad Judy.
683
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,860
"Okay, Michael,
I'll give you $60,"
684
00:39:53,894 --> 00:39:55,095
pay the water bill,
685
00:39:55,128 --> 00:39:59,528
having no idea
that I was in this web.
686
00:39:59,561 --> 00:40:01,827
I was giving him money
to go buy her drugs.
687
00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:04,061
How stupid of me was that?
688
00:40:08,994 --> 00:40:10,595
♪
689
00:40:10,627 --> 00:40:14,395
The first mark I'd seen on her
was her face.
690
00:40:14,428 --> 00:40:17,095
He bought her drugs,
she relapsed,
691
00:40:17,128 --> 00:40:20,095
so he had complete control
over her.
692
00:40:20,128 --> 00:40:24,161
That was his way
of controlling her,
693
00:40:24,195 --> 00:40:26,328
so that he could abuse her
694
00:40:26,361 --> 00:40:29,061
and that
he felt power over her.
695
00:40:29,095 --> 00:40:32,361
If he was bringing the drugs,
he had the power over her.
696
00:40:32,395 --> 00:40:36,195
Judy had called me
when he had choked her before.
697
00:40:36,228 --> 00:40:38,361
He definitely
had choked her before.
698
00:40:38,395 --> 00:40:42,428
And I can remember her
being so scared of him.
699
00:40:45,128 --> 00:40:48,295
The police were called
multiple times.
700
00:40:48,328 --> 00:40:51,561
They never did make him leave.
701
00:40:51,594 --> 00:40:54,495
She hid in hotels,
left her own home.
702
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,428
So it was
a volatile relationship.
703
00:41:07,461 --> 00:41:09,295
I don't know to what extent,
or if at all,
704
00:41:09,328 --> 00:41:10,894
it actually ever got physical.
705
00:41:10,927 --> 00:41:13,295
They argued a lot,
706
00:41:13,328 --> 00:41:14,660
but I think
Michael's position is
707
00:41:14,694 --> 00:41:17,395
there was no domestic violence
between the two of them.
708
00:41:30,694 --> 00:41:36,128
...22, 23, 24, 25, 26,
27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32.
709
00:41:36,161 --> 00:41:40,560
So 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38.
710
00:41:40,594 --> 00:41:42,295
So, it looks like
the first instance
711
00:41:42,328 --> 00:41:47,627
we dealt with Michael and Judy
was in May of 2015.
712
00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:51,960
Michael and Judy got into
a fight and Judy took his car.
713
00:41:51,994 --> 00:41:54,994
Michael did not wanna
pursue charges at that point.
714
00:41:55,095 --> 00:41:56,594
The very next day,
715
00:41:56,627 --> 00:41:59,627
Michael called us
to report Judy missing,
716
00:41:59,660 --> 00:42:04,095
said he hadn't heard from her
in a couple days.
717
00:42:04,095 --> 00:42:07,994
So it appears to be
a run log of 13 or so calls
718
00:42:08,095 --> 00:42:10,560
between Michael and Judy.
719
00:42:10,594 --> 00:42:14,161
A lot of the calls,
Mike is the caller.
720
00:42:14,195 --> 00:42:15,660
I can tell you,
from my experience,
721
00:42:15,694 --> 00:42:18,328
this is just another
overt measure of control.
722
00:42:18,361 --> 00:42:20,095
He's using law enforcement,
723
00:42:20,095 --> 00:42:22,395
and moreover,
the threat of law enforcement,
724
00:42:22,428 --> 00:42:24,660
to-to maintain his power.
725
00:42:24,694 --> 00:42:27,161
He knows what he's doing.
726
00:42:27,195 --> 00:42:29,994
He's intelligent,
he's calculating,
727
00:42:30,095 --> 00:42:32,228
and he knows that
he is painting this picture
728
00:42:32,261 --> 00:42:34,295
that he is just
the concerned boyfriend.
729
00:42:38,095 --> 00:42:40,295
Near the end of May of 2015,
730
00:42:40,328 --> 00:42:42,594
I had a lengthy conversation
with Judy.
731
00:42:42,627 --> 00:42:44,361
She had been stopped
732
00:42:44,395 --> 00:42:46,527
driving one
of Michael Slager's vehicles.
733
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,095
She was convinced that, even
while we were on the phone,
734
00:42:50,095 --> 00:42:52,095
Mike had sent someone
to find her
735
00:42:52,095 --> 00:42:53,694
and that he was watching her.
736
00:42:53,727 --> 00:42:55,395
"Tell me about him, Judy.
What do you see?
737
00:42:55,428 --> 00:42:56,594
What cars do you see?"
"No, I gotta go.
738
00:42:56,627 --> 00:42:57,460
"I've gotta go.
739
00:42:57,494 --> 00:42:59,295
He's here.
He sent somebody for me."
740
00:43:02,395 --> 00:43:04,627
She flat out said
that if she left him
741
00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:06,395
or he found out
about this conversation,
742
00:43:06,428 --> 00:43:09,261
that he would kill her.
743
00:43:09,295 --> 00:43:11,794
And then, the call disconnected
after that.
744
00:43:11,827 --> 00:43:14,295
Called her back,
I can't count how many times,
745
00:43:14,328 --> 00:43:15,794
trying to get a hold of her.
746
00:43:15,827 --> 00:43:18,794
I tried to pass along
as much help to Bonnie,
747
00:43:18,827 --> 00:43:21,760
based on my experience, that
this is what she should do.
748
00:43:21,794 --> 00:43:25,594
You know, sometimes a person
just isn't ready.
749
00:43:25,627 --> 00:43:27,261
Bonnie, you know,
750
00:43:27,295 --> 00:43:29,560
probably more times
than I even know about,
751
00:43:29,594 --> 00:43:31,295
tried to get her out
of that relationship.
752
00:43:34,161 --> 00:43:37,760
♪
753
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,128
For whatever reason,
Judy just wasn't leaving.
754
00:43:50,161 --> 00:43:52,361
You know, call it lo--love,
I-I don't--I--you know,
755
00:43:52,395 --> 00:43:54,527
I wasn't--I'm not--
I wasn't in Judy's head.
756
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,261
Are you really asking me,
"Is there anything
757
00:43:56,295 --> 00:43:58,760
the police department
could have done better?"
758
00:43:58,794 --> 00:44:01,328
She told the detectives,
over and over,
759
00:44:01,361 --> 00:44:02,328
"He's going to kill me."
760
00:44:02,361 --> 00:44:09,128
Nobody would even
so much as pull him over,
761
00:44:09,161 --> 00:44:10,261
talk to him.
762
00:44:10,295 --> 00:44:11,427
They don't wanna listen.
763
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:12,660
"Oh, she's got
a prior drug possession."
764
00:44:12,694 --> 00:44:15,095
"Oh, she--you know what,
she's on drugs."
765
00:44:15,128 --> 00:44:16,660
She goes,
"I didn't do that."
766
00:44:16,694 --> 00:44:18,827
When police
wouldn't listen to her
767
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:20,594
and detectives
wouldn't listen to her,
768
00:44:20,627 --> 00:44:24,261
Judy knew the only way
to save her life from Michael--
769
00:44:24,295 --> 00:44:26,460
not the drugs--
was to find a rehab.
770
00:44:26,494 --> 00:44:30,161
That was the only safe place
from abuse.
771
00:44:30,195 --> 00:44:31,660
Sad, but true.
772
00:44:35,627 --> 00:44:39,261
Parkside called,
said they had a bed.
773
00:44:39,295 --> 00:44:44,195
Michael picked her up
and said, "I'll take you."
774
00:44:46,894 --> 00:44:52,694
I remember thinking, he was
never gonna take her there.
775
00:44:52,727 --> 00:44:55,195
I remember thinking it was
another one of his lies.
776
00:44:58,228 --> 00:45:01,360
♪
777
00:45:01,394 --> 00:45:02,760
And you know what?
778
00:45:07,295 --> 00:45:09,594
The freak that I am,
779
00:45:09,627 --> 00:45:12,161
I still can't go
to a gas station.
780
00:45:32,727 --> 00:45:37,228
I was interested
in getting to the bottom
781
00:45:37,261 --> 00:45:41,560
of, for one,
who Slager was as a person,
782
00:45:41,594 --> 00:45:43,760
to try to understand
783
00:45:43,794 --> 00:45:49,394
how or why he could have done
what he did to my sister.
784
00:45:49,427 --> 00:45:54,860
So, the first thing I did
was look at public record
785
00:45:54,894 --> 00:45:58,727
to look at, like, what he had
been charged with in the past.
786
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,560
This is Michael's career
criminal history.
787
00:46:01,594 --> 00:46:04,927
It's fairly in-depth
and lengthy.
788
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,760
He has theft,
domestic violence, menacing,
789
00:46:07,794 --> 00:46:11,827
carrying a concealed weapon,
aggravated menacing,
790
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:14,360
making a false police report,
domestic violence,
791
00:46:14,394 --> 00:46:17,660
aggravated menacing, assault,
aggravated menacing,
792
00:46:17,694 --> 00:46:19,394
inducing panic,
domestic violence,
793
00:46:19,427 --> 00:46:24,827
assault, domestic violence,
assault, domestic violence,
794
00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:27,827
rape--which was, I think,
pled down to a sexual battery--
795
00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:30,660
domestic violence,
resisting arrest.
796
00:46:30,694 --> 00:46:32,394
He had a sexual--he was
a registered sex offender
797
00:46:32,427 --> 00:46:33,860
at one point.
798
00:46:33,894 --> 00:46:35,927
Petty theft,
endangering children,
799
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,660
domestic violence,
endangering children,
800
00:46:38,694 --> 00:46:40,794
sexual battery, theft,
801
00:46:40,827 --> 00:46:45,394
menacing, disorderly conduct,
802
00:46:45,427 --> 00:46:49,227
aggravated menacing, stalking,
803
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:51,660
domestic violence, assault,
domestic violence,
804
00:46:51,694 --> 00:46:56,927
resisting arrest, sex
offender--failure to notify--
805
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,760
aggravated burglary,
806
00:46:58,794 --> 00:47:00,494
breaking and entering,
breaking and entering,
807
00:47:00,527 --> 00:47:02,960
theft, theft,
receiving stolen property,
808
00:47:02,994 --> 00:47:06,860
corrupt criminal activity,
theft, passing bad checks,
809
00:47:06,894 --> 00:47:09,994
obstructing official business,
obstructing official business,
810
00:47:10,095 --> 00:47:11,460
and then we get
to the aggravated arson
811
00:47:11,494 --> 00:47:12,660
and felonious assault.
812
00:47:12,694 --> 00:47:13,994
A lot of jurors,
I think, would say,
813
00:47:14,095 --> 00:47:16,327
"Well, he did it before.
He'll do it again,"
814
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,727
and we file a motion to keep
that kind of information out.
815
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,727
You know,
those admissibility rules
816
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,727
are-are designed
to protect the defendant.
817
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,694
If Michael had convictions
for assault
818
00:47:26,727 --> 00:47:28,560
or-or domestic violence,
819
00:47:28,594 --> 00:47:29,894
the jury
would never have known.
820
00:47:29,927 --> 00:47:32,560
We are frustrated
with domestic violence
821
00:47:32,594 --> 00:47:33,794
almost on a daily basis.
822
00:47:33,827 --> 00:47:35,527
We do the best job we can.
823
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,527
We give that--at our level,
we give them all the facts.
824
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,494
And then, what the courts do
with it, the courts do with it.
825
00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:50,394
♪
826
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,660
You can go home
and punch your wife
827
00:47:52,694 --> 00:47:54,327
in the face
as hard as you can,
828
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,794
and as long
as she didn't need surgery
829
00:47:56,827 --> 00:47:58,594
or any type
of permanent disfigurement,
830
00:47:58,627 --> 00:48:01,494
that's a misdemeanor.
831
00:48:01,527 --> 00:48:04,627
And in those cases, sentencing
is usually extremely light.
832
00:48:18,095 --> 00:48:20,794
We had a phone call
with Warren Edwards,
833
00:48:20,827 --> 00:48:24,727
and he explained to us
that if Judy lived,
834
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,694
that might Michael could get
11 years plus 2,
835
00:48:27,727 --> 00:48:29,095
and that was the maximum
836
00:48:29,095 --> 00:48:33,394
that he could get
under the state of Ohio,
837
00:48:33,427 --> 00:48:39,727
that he could cause that amount
of suffering to somebody
838
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,927
and be able to walk out
and see daylight again.
839
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,594
It was crazy to me.
840
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,394
Michael Slager appeared in
a Franklin County court today
841
00:48:57,427 --> 00:49:00,860
on charges of aggravated arson
and felonious assault.
842
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:15,994
This is 5CR3933
and 08CR3828,
843
00:49:16,094 --> 00:49:19,960
state of Ohio
versus Michael Slager.
844
00:49:19,994 --> 00:49:22,694
If the grand jury had
indicted on attempted murder,
845
00:49:22,727 --> 00:49:23,994
then the state would have
the burden
846
00:49:24,094 --> 00:49:26,094
of proving that
that was his intent,
847
00:49:26,127 --> 00:49:29,860
that was what he wanted to do,
was to make sure she was dead,
848
00:49:29,894 --> 00:49:31,760
and that's just harder
to prove.
849
00:49:31,794 --> 00:49:34,860
To the indictment
of aggravated arson, F1,
850
00:49:34,894 --> 00:49:37,160
during this incident--
or I'm sorry...
851
00:49:37,194 --> 00:49:38,794
He was taking her to rehab.
852
00:49:38,827 --> 00:49:41,094
He was taking her
to get inpatient help
853
00:49:41,094 --> 00:49:42,760
for her drug addiction.
854
00:49:42,794 --> 00:49:44,194
He meant
to ignite her cigarette.
855
00:49:44,227 --> 00:49:46,160
Whether he knowingly caused her
serious physical harm,
856
00:49:46,194 --> 00:49:49,694
like, that--you know, that
would be kind of the angle.
857
00:49:49,727 --> 00:49:52,994
And also, you know,
remember, he went
858
00:49:53,094 --> 00:49:56,460
and immediately got a fire
extinguisher and put her out.
859
00:49:56,494 --> 00:49:59,694
So if he's trying to hurt her,
why is he putting her out?
860
00:49:59,727 --> 00:50:01,560
This claim of Mr. Slager
861
00:50:01,594 --> 00:50:03,760
that this was somehow
an accidental ignition,
862
00:50:03,794 --> 00:50:06,494
that she produced
a-a-a cigarette
863
00:50:06,527 --> 00:50:09,994
and, in that 32 seconds
while he's off-frame,
864
00:50:10,026 --> 00:50:11,627
that they somehow made up
865
00:50:11,660 --> 00:50:15,127
and she asked for a light
to the cigarette...
866
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,694
I said, she can refute it.
867
00:50:19,727 --> 00:50:22,127
I said she can refute
his--his def--
868
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,460
he is locked into this defense,
and she is--she can refute it,
869
00:50:25,494 --> 00:50:28,527
and I can't think of
any other definitive evidence
870
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,827
that would do that.
871
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:33,927
The question then became,
872
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,760
was she gonna be available
as a witness in our case?
873
00:50:37,794 --> 00:50:39,094
We're preparing
for jury trial.
874
00:50:39,127 --> 00:50:41,026
We don't think
she's gonna testify.
875
00:50:41,060 --> 00:50:43,760
She was not in a condition that
would allow her to testify,
876
00:50:43,794 --> 00:50:47,194
and suddenly,
her-her condition improved.
877
00:50:47,227 --> 00:50:53,026
You know, she wanted
to tell her story.
878
00:50:54,727 --> 00:50:56,794
She--I think she--she fi--
879
00:50:56,827 --> 00:51:00,527
wanted somebody
to finally listen to her.
880
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,660
And we were actually prepared
for trial that morning.
881
00:51:03,694 --> 00:51:07,827
And at that time, Judy was
gonna testify via video, live.
882
00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:09,927
It's one thing,
seeing something on TV.
883
00:51:09,959 --> 00:51:11,660
And I know that
this was gonna be video,
884
00:51:11,694 --> 00:51:14,227
but the knowledge that that
was happening in real time,
885
00:51:14,260 --> 00:51:17,927
that there was this woman
just a few miles away
886
00:51:17,959 --> 00:51:20,227
on the other end
of this video feed
887
00:51:20,260 --> 00:51:22,627
that was going through
what you're watching,
888
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:27,760
that the jury is gonna want
somebody to answer for that--
889
00:51:27,794 --> 00:51:28,927
I had to go back to Michael
and say,
890
00:51:28,959 --> 00:51:32,094
"Michael, look,
she's gonna testify,
891
00:51:32,094 --> 00:51:34,560
"and this jury
is gonna hate you.
892
00:51:34,594 --> 00:51:35,827
They're absolutely
gonna hate you."
893
00:51:35,860 --> 00:51:37,194
It really was a bluff.
894
00:51:37,227 --> 00:51:38,993
We didn't know if she was
gonna be able to testify
895
00:51:39,094 --> 00:51:40,926
and we didn't know
if it was gonna kill her.
896
00:51:40,959 --> 00:51:42,594
And when I looked at Bob
and said, "You know,
897
00:51:42,627 --> 00:51:46,260
if he pled today,
I wouldn't have a testimony."
898
00:51:46,294 --> 00:51:50,227
And he said--he said, "Let me
see if he'll buy that."
899
00:51:50,260 --> 00:51:53,594
Michael understood
that if she testified
900
00:51:53,627 --> 00:51:55,094
and she was cross-examined--
901
00:51:55,094 --> 00:51:58,194
if she later died,
her testimony under oath
902
00:51:58,227 --> 00:52:00,694
would be admissible
in his murder trial.
903
00:52:00,727 --> 00:52:03,227
so he decided to enter a plea
of no contest,
904
00:52:03,260 --> 00:52:07,594
We will stipulate that there
is sufficient, factual basis
905
00:52:07,627 --> 00:52:09,294
for this plea at this time.
906
00:52:09,327 --> 00:52:11,294
And he doesn't have
to say the word "guilty."
907
00:52:11,327 --> 00:52:13,160
I mean--and that was
somewhat important to him,
908
00:52:13,194 --> 00:52:16,794
but more important was, you
know, keeping Judy's testimony
909
00:52:16,827 --> 00:52:20,993
out of a potential and very
probable future murder trial.
910
00:52:21,094 --> 00:52:23,959
In your previously-entered
not guilty plea,
911
00:52:23,993 --> 00:52:26,959
you're pleading a no contest
plea in this matter?
912
00:52:26,993 --> 00:52:29,294
- Correct, Your Honor.
- Slager changed his plea
913
00:52:29,327 --> 00:52:32,094
from not guilty to no contest.
914
00:52:32,094 --> 00:52:34,194
And that way,
he avoided a trial
915
00:52:34,227 --> 00:52:37,827
and she was not able
to testify.
916
00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:40,727
He silenced her again.
917
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:45,860
And there was nothing
we could do.
918
00:52:45,893 --> 00:52:47,294
What are you gonna do?
919
00:52:47,327 --> 00:52:50,893
Judy felt like,
"He's doing it again.
920
00:52:50,926 --> 00:52:55,094
"Look, he is manipulating me
and the system again.
921
00:52:55,094 --> 00:52:57,893
"He's controlling and pulling
everybody's strings, Mom.
922
00:52:57,926 --> 00:53:00,094
Everybody, right down
to the prosecutors."
923
00:53:00,094 --> 00:53:01,993
The Gahanna woman
doused with gasoline
924
00:53:02,094 --> 00:53:04,827
and set on fire
will never get the chance
925
00:53:04,859 --> 00:53:07,194
to testify against her ex
in court.
926
00:53:07,227 --> 00:53:07,893
But the truth
of the matter is,
927
00:53:07,926 --> 00:53:09,627
telling the story at that time
928
00:53:09,660 --> 00:53:12,360
was not optimal for the case,
929
00:53:12,394 --> 00:53:16,294
that having that testimony
for months or years
930
00:53:16,327 --> 00:53:19,260
before she passed would have
given them--the defense--
931
00:53:19,294 --> 00:53:22,959
an opportunity
to prepare a defense
932
00:53:22,993 --> 00:53:25,227
around Judy's testimony.
933
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:27,794
And the judge sentenced him
to 11 years in jail.
934
00:53:27,826 --> 00:53:29,993
Judy has a life sentence,
935
00:53:30,094 --> 00:53:32,694
and her children have
a life sentence.
936
00:53:32,727 --> 00:53:37,194
And with domestic violence,
it's ugly, it's cruel.
937
00:53:37,227 --> 00:53:40,360
Everybody has a life sentence
in this.
938
00:53:40,394 --> 00:53:43,660
Mrs. Bowes was correct
when she said
939
00:53:43,694 --> 00:53:47,327
this girl has a life sentence.
940
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,094
The pain inflicted by burns--
941
00:53:51,094 --> 00:53:55,127
there is no pain--
there's no pain like that.
942
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,660
And you've done it,
and you haven't been sorry.
943
00:53:58,694 --> 00:54:01,360
You've done all the things
that clearly show
944
00:54:01,394 --> 00:54:03,327
what a despicable individual
you are.
945
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,094
And I see your record,
946
00:54:05,094 --> 00:54:07,959
so I know you have
a history of domestic violence.
947
00:54:07,993 --> 00:54:10,260
You have a history of menacing.
948
00:54:10,294 --> 00:54:13,394
Judge Julie was
so distraught.
949
00:54:13,427 --> 00:54:18,127
And she looked over
at the prosecution
950
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,360
and said,
"I blame legislators.
951
00:54:20,394 --> 00:54:23,427
"I blame legislators
that I cannot sentence him
952
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:25,427
or do more with this."
953
00:54:25,460 --> 00:54:28,094
You really do seem like
one of those people
954
00:54:28,094 --> 00:54:29,793
that have no soul,
955
00:54:29,826 --> 00:54:31,793
and you need
to be incarcerated.
956
00:54:31,826 --> 00:54:33,759
And that's all I have to say.
957
00:54:33,793 --> 00:54:35,094
Take him out.
958
00:54:37,859 --> 00:54:44,959
♪
959
00:54:56,227 --> 00:54:57,094
Honey, sometimes
there are no answers--
960
00:55:01,394 --> 00:55:03,360
Both your girls need you,
and I need you,
961
00:55:03,394 --> 00:55:05,360
but sometimes
there are no answers, Judy.
962
00:55:40,494 --> 00:55:44,260
- How are you doing, my love?
- Loving it.
963
00:55:44,294 --> 00:55:45,859
Work it!
964
00:55:45,893 --> 00:55:47,959
Go, Judy!
965
00:55:47,993 --> 00:55:49,160
No, Judy.
Don't be doing that.
966
00:55:49,194 --> 00:55:50,227
No, no, no.
967
00:55:50,260 --> 00:55:52,427
both: "Everybody!"
968
00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:54,294
She was not happy,
and we were--we were informed
969
00:55:54,327 --> 00:55:55,993
she was not happy.
970
00:55:56,094 --> 00:55:57,194
You know,
Judy had a temper.
971
00:55:57,227 --> 00:56:00,194
She wasn't afraid
to tell me how she felt,
972
00:56:00,227 --> 00:56:02,993
and she was angry that day.
973
00:56:05,327 --> 00:56:07,094
I wasn't done,
974
00:56:07,127 --> 00:56:09,527
and I made that clear in court
975
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,094
that we'd be coming back
for more.
976
00:56:12,094 --> 00:56:13,527
There was
a strategic decision.
977
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,926
As far as I was concerned,
978
00:56:14,959 --> 00:56:16,394
the case was unfolding
to plan.
979
00:56:19,427 --> 00:56:22,826
♪
980
00:56:27,627 --> 00:56:30,227
No, Judy. No, no.
981
00:56:30,260 --> 00:56:32,993
- Come on.
- And you, dance!
982
00:56:33,094 --> 00:56:35,527
But there was
this part of her
983
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,826
that wanted to-to make it
and to live,
984
00:56:39,859 --> 00:56:42,327
to fight for every other woman
985
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,527
that had been
through something like that.
986
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:51,527
She definitely wanted the law
to change,
987
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,494
and she was willing to do
whatever she needed to do
988
00:56:54,527 --> 00:56:57,427
to help change the law.
989
00:56:57,460 --> 00:56:59,560
Judy's Law would increase
the maximum sentence
990
00:56:59,594 --> 00:57:02,626
for felonious assault
by 5 to 20 years
991
00:57:02,659 --> 00:57:05,594
for people who intentionally
maim or disfigure someone.
992
00:57:05,626 --> 00:57:07,659
The law would not
be retroactive,
993
00:57:07,693 --> 00:57:10,360
meaning it won't have
any impact on her case.
994
00:57:10,394 --> 00:57:12,659
Still, Judy continues to fight
995
00:57:12,693 --> 00:57:14,893
for other survivors
of domestic violence.
996
00:57:14,926 --> 00:57:17,160
You're the sister
that I never had.
997
00:57:37,094 --> 00:57:39,394
Doctors say they really have
no medical explanation
998
00:57:39,427 --> 00:57:42,993
as to how she is still alive,
but Judy's mom, Bonnie Bowes,
999
00:57:43,094 --> 00:57:44,993
says she believes
that Judy is fighting
1000
00:57:45,094 --> 00:57:47,626
to see Judy's Law through
to the very end.
1001
00:57:47,659 --> 00:57:51,626
This is a miracle,
that she survived that
1002
00:57:51,659 --> 00:57:55,593
with her spirit intact,
1003
00:57:55,626 --> 00:57:59,327
her will to wanna help
other people intact.
1004
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,527
Women are strong.
1005
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:03,559
Women are strong.
1006
00:58:03,593 --> 00:58:06,527
While we stand here today,
my mom lays in a hospital bed,
1007
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,327
where she has been
for 609 days.
1008
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,327
She has been in a lot of pain,
1009
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,127
and every day is another fight
to stay alive.
1010
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,094
Mike committed a horrible crime
1011
00:58:15,094 --> 00:58:16,626
and only received
an 11-year sentence.
1012
00:58:16,659 --> 00:58:18,959
Please pass my mom's law,
because together,
1013
00:58:18,993 --> 00:58:22,227
we can prevent this from
happening to other people.
1014
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:24,626
With the slamming
of the gavel,
1015
00:58:24,659 --> 00:58:26,726
Judy's Law moves on
to the Senate
1016
00:58:26,759 --> 00:58:29,194
after a unanimous vote
in the House.
1017
00:58:29,227 --> 00:58:31,959
Thank you, Senator Hughes.
1018
00:58:31,993 --> 00:58:33,227
Do you wanna say anything?
1019
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:36,693
Uh... uh...that's...
1020
00:58:36,726 --> 00:58:38,394
That's nice.
1021
00:58:38,427 --> 00:58:42,094
A person only has
so much resilience.
1022
00:58:42,127 --> 00:58:46,526
I just think her body was
giving out before her spirit.
1023
00:58:48,427 --> 00:58:51,094
Cases are
about will sometimes.
1024
00:58:51,127 --> 00:58:54,526
You've got to have
the willpower to keep moving
1025
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,360
to not be satisfied
with something
1026
00:58:56,394 --> 00:58:58,160
that doesn't feel like justice.
1027
00:58:58,194 --> 00:59:01,360
She wanted to be heard,
her mother wanted to be heard,
1028
00:59:01,394 --> 00:59:03,127
and I wasn't satisfied
with 11 years.
1029
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,626
♪
1030
00:59:05,659 --> 00:59:08,360
The prosecution explained
to Judy and I
1031
00:59:08,394 --> 00:59:10,094
that there would be nothing
1032
00:59:10,127 --> 00:59:14,526
but Michael's story
for a homicide trial.
1033
00:59:17,493 --> 00:59:19,227
And that's when
they approached Judy
1034
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:23,427
about testifying
to her own homicide.
1035
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:26,759
It was a long shot,
'cause it had never been done.
1036
00:59:26,793 --> 00:59:30,759
Nobody had ever testified
1037
00:59:30,793 --> 00:59:33,693
to their own homicide
in the United States.
1038
00:59:33,726 --> 00:59:35,793
In Ohio,
there isn't a criminal rule
1039
00:59:35,826 --> 00:59:39,726
with regard
to preserving the testimony
1040
00:59:39,759 --> 00:59:42,693
of someone that
we all knew was gonna pass
1041
00:59:42,726 --> 00:59:45,394
for future
criminal prosecution.
1042
00:59:45,427 --> 00:59:48,194
There is, however,
a civil rule, Rule 27,
1043
00:59:48,227 --> 00:59:52,593
used in preserving testimony
of people injured
1044
00:59:52,626 --> 00:59:56,227
in insurance claims
who later died,
1045
00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:59,759
things like asbestos claims
or fire-related claims.
1046
00:59:59,793 --> 01:00:02,793
We were denied her testimony
at the trial
1047
01:00:02,826 --> 01:00:05,693
when, at the last minute,
there was no contest plea,
1048
01:00:05,726 --> 01:00:07,294
and we didn't have
her testimony.
1049
01:00:07,327 --> 01:00:11,227
It was, at least I felt,
a stroke of genius
1050
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:13,459
to come up with the idea
taking her deposition,
1051
01:00:13,493 --> 01:00:16,294
where she could testify
from the grave,
1052
01:00:16,327 --> 01:00:18,160
at a subsequent
homicide trial.
1053
01:00:18,194 --> 01:00:20,759
For Ron to get up and stake
his professional reputation,
1054
01:00:20,793 --> 01:00:22,127
his career,
1055
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,227
saying that
we should be allowed
1056
01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:27,294
to set this precedent,
was huge.
1057
01:00:27,327 --> 01:00:30,160
The man is such a legend
in-in Franklin County
1058
01:00:30,194 --> 01:00:33,593
that when he gets up
and speaks, everybody listens.
1059
01:00:33,626 --> 01:00:36,726
A woman who was set on fire,
has been in the hospital now
1060
01:00:36,759 --> 01:00:38,459
for nearly 18 months,
1061
01:00:38,493 --> 01:00:40,459
will be able
to tell her story in court.
1062
01:00:40,493 --> 01:00:43,393
She said,
"Mom, I know
1063
01:00:43,426 --> 01:00:46,260
I haven't endured
this much pain in vain."
1064
01:00:46,294 --> 01:00:47,793
Today,
a Franklin County judge ruled
1065
01:00:47,826 --> 01:00:51,626
that Malinowski could
give a deposition via video.
1066
01:00:51,659 --> 01:00:54,593
The biggest concern for us,
as lawyers, was,
1067
01:00:54,626 --> 01:00:58,793
is she so under the influence
of these pain medications
1068
01:00:58,826 --> 01:01:00,793
that she doesn't understand
what's going on in court?
1069
01:01:00,826 --> 01:01:03,194
And again, this is
a competency issue.
1070
01:01:03,227 --> 01:01:05,127
Is she competent to testify?
1071
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,593
She had to come down off
of the amount of pain meds
1072
01:01:09,626 --> 01:01:10,659
that she was on
1073
01:01:10,693 --> 01:01:12,659
to be lucid enough
1074
01:01:12,693 --> 01:01:17,526
to where she could speak
under oath.
1075
01:01:27,127 --> 01:01:28,859
I know.
1076
01:01:28,893 --> 01:01:30,327
She was in horrible pain
with the best
1077
01:01:30,359 --> 01:01:32,160
of the pain medicine.
1078
01:01:32,194 --> 01:01:33,793
You're gonna get
five milligrams of gelatin.
1079
01:01:35,626 --> 01:01:37,526
I know.
1080
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:39,626
It was hard to wean
off her medication.
1081
01:01:39,659 --> 01:01:41,859
Most burn victims require
1082
01:01:41,893 --> 01:01:45,260
a really large amount
of medication.
1083
01:01:45,294 --> 01:01:47,726
She-she had a high tolerance
for it,
1084
01:01:47,759 --> 01:01:54,826
as common also
with narcotic addicts,
1085
01:01:54,859 --> 01:02:00,693
so it was--it was part
of her challenge too.
1086
01:02:07,826 --> 01:02:11,194
As a mother,
you know your child.
1087
01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:12,826
Where was her limitation?
1088
01:02:12,859 --> 01:02:15,726
Could she do this, even though
her intentions were good
1089
01:02:15,759 --> 01:02:17,559
to-to do this,
1090
01:02:17,593 --> 01:02:19,859
so that he would never
hurt another person?
1091
01:02:19,893 --> 01:02:25,826
I think it was extremely
courageous of her,
1092
01:02:25,859 --> 01:02:30,359
but I also--it doesn't
surprise me at all.
1093
01:02:30,393 --> 01:02:35,459
Um, I think that was always
the person that Judy was.
1094
01:02:35,493 --> 01:02:39,426
It was the night before her
deposition was to be taken.
1095
01:02:39,459 --> 01:02:40,893
I'd stopped down
to Ron's office,
1096
01:02:40,926 --> 01:02:43,160
and he was nervous.
1097
01:02:43,194 --> 01:02:46,359
He was thinking about
pulling the plug on it.
1098
01:02:46,393 --> 01:02:49,693
And I think
he was concerned that
1099
01:02:49,726 --> 01:02:50,726
if it wasn't gonna go well,
1100
01:02:50,759 --> 01:02:54,393
we didn't wanna embarrass her
or anybody else.
1101
01:02:54,426 --> 01:02:57,393
And so, it made me mad.
1102
01:02:57,426 --> 01:02:59,326
I got in the car,
went back to the hospital,
1103
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:00,993
and videotaped her.
1104
01:03:01,094 --> 01:03:03,326
Tell me your name and that
you're ready to testify.
1105
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:17,326
Tomorrow.
All right.
1106
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:20,493
And I showed it to Ron,
and I said, "She's ready.
1107
01:03:20,526 --> 01:03:21,859
"You know,
I know what I'm doing.
1108
01:03:21,893 --> 01:03:22,826
We got this."
1109
01:03:27,259 --> 01:03:29,826
There.
There you go.
1110
01:03:35,094 --> 01:03:37,459
Originally, they said,
"Well, we want Michael present
1111
01:03:37,493 --> 01:03:38,826
in the hospital room."
1112
01:03:38,859 --> 01:03:41,293
Actually, I took that
as an intimidation tactic.
1113
01:03:41,326 --> 01:03:42,659
Michael wanted to be there.
1114
01:03:42,693 --> 01:03:44,493
Michael said, "Look,
I've got a right to be there."
1115
01:03:44,526 --> 01:03:46,726
Right of confrontation.
1116
01:03:46,759 --> 01:03:50,326
He wanted to see her testify.
1117
01:03:50,359 --> 01:03:54,426
And more importantly, he wanted
her to see that he was there.
1118
01:03:54,459 --> 01:03:57,826
And he--his--his belief was,
"She won't lie if I'm there."
1119
01:03:57,859 --> 01:04:00,893
And in fact, at that point,
while we were arguing,
1120
01:04:00,926 --> 01:04:04,659
that Michael wanted
to cross-examine her himself.
1121
01:04:04,693 --> 01:04:06,893
The judge thankfully
overruled his motion,
1122
01:04:06,926 --> 01:04:09,593
and no one was allowed
to the hospital room
1123
01:04:09,626 --> 01:04:11,726
during the deposition.
1124
01:04:11,759 --> 01:04:14,359
All right.
Let's go on the record.
1125
01:04:14,393 --> 01:04:17,726
They sealed that door,
and, oh, my gosh, it was like
1126
01:04:17,759 --> 01:04:22,359
leaving my child to drown
in the middle of a--an ocean.
1127
01:04:22,393 --> 01:04:23,959
This is
Magistrate Elizabeth Waters.
1128
01:04:23,993 --> 01:04:25,693
I'm going to swear you in.
1129
01:04:25,726 --> 01:04:27,626
Could you please
raise your right hand
1130
01:04:27,659 --> 01:04:29,559
to the extent
that you possibly can?
1131
01:04:29,593 --> 01:04:31,393
Do you solemnly swear
or affirm
1132
01:04:31,426 --> 01:04:33,793
the testimony you're about
to give in this deposition
1133
01:04:33,826 --> 01:04:35,393
will be the truth,
the whole truth,
1134
01:04:35,426 --> 01:04:37,793
and nothing but the truth,
as you shall answer to God
1135
01:04:37,826 --> 01:04:41,359
or under penalty of perjury?
1136
01:04:41,393 --> 01:04:44,326
Thank you.
1137
01:04:44,359 --> 01:04:45,826
Thank you,
Your Honor.
1138
01:04:45,859 --> 01:04:48,893
Warren Edwards, Ron O'Brien,
Casey Chapter,
1139
01:04:48,926 --> 01:04:50,826
and Michael M. Bonnett
for the state of Ohio.
1140
01:04:50,859 --> 01:04:52,359
And counsel
for the respondent.
1141
01:04:52,393 --> 01:04:54,593
Bob Krapence
on behalf of Michael Slager.
1142
01:04:54,626 --> 01:04:57,094
Okay, you need to push the
button when you're talking.
1143
01:04:57,094 --> 01:04:59,359
Please note our ongoing
objection to this procedure,
1144
01:04:59,393 --> 01:05:02,094
including any objection
to any irregularities,
1145
01:05:02,094 --> 01:05:04,126
starting with swearing
the witness, saying,
1146
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:05,493
"All the way through the
conclusion of her testimony."
1147
01:05:05,526 --> 01:05:06,759
Thank you.
1148
01:05:06,793 --> 01:05:09,094
I don't think it was necessary.
1149
01:05:09,126 --> 01:05:11,094
I thought the evidence
that the state had was enough,
1150
01:05:11,094 --> 01:05:12,159
without putting her
through that.
1151
01:05:12,193 --> 01:05:16,626
Sunday, August 2nd, 2015.
Do you recall that day?
1152
01:05:21,759 --> 01:05:22,959
Okay.
1153
01:05:22,993 --> 01:05:27,793
And on that day,
were you with Mr. Slager?
1154
01:05:27,826 --> 01:05:29,426
When you were
with Mr. Slager,
1155
01:05:29,459 --> 01:05:31,693
you indicated that the two
of you stopped at Speedway.
1156
01:05:31,726 --> 01:05:33,793
What-what did you
stop there for?
1157
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:39,626
Your--your--
you smoke cigarettes, correct?
1158
01:05:39,659 --> 01:05:42,126
You used to do it?
1159
01:05:42,159 --> 01:05:45,559
What happened as you stood
behind that Speedway?
1160
01:05:58,759 --> 01:06:02,193
You threw a pop on him?
1161
01:06:02,226 --> 01:06:07,759
Did you splash it on him or
actually throw the pop at him?
1162
01:06:07,793 --> 01:06:10,093
Okay.
What was his reaction to this?
1163
01:06:13,859 --> 01:06:14,993
And what did he do?
1164
01:06:45,226 --> 01:06:48,859
The gasoline in your throat
burned really bad?
1165
01:06:48,893 --> 01:06:50,093
And what's his demeanor
1166
01:06:50,093 --> 01:06:51,959
as he's pouring the gasoline
on you?
1167
01:07:17,593 --> 01:07:18,826
And...
1168
01:07:18,859 --> 01:07:24,159
After he poured the gasoline
on you,
1169
01:07:24,193 --> 01:07:25,726
what happens next?
1170
01:07:52,093 --> 01:07:56,093
Did you make up with him in
any way during these 30 seconds
1171
01:07:56,093 --> 01:07:59,093
between him
pouring gasoline on you
1172
01:07:59,126 --> 01:08:02,726
and pulling out the lighter
and setting you on fire?
1173
01:08:02,759 --> 01:08:05,826
Did you have a cigarette?
1174
01:08:05,859 --> 01:08:08,659
Did you ask for a light?
1175
01:08:08,693 --> 01:08:11,826
Was his approaching you
with that lighter accidental,
1176
01:08:11,859 --> 01:08:14,193
that he tripped
or anything like that?
1177
01:08:14,226 --> 01:08:15,793
Okay.
1178
01:08:37,626 --> 01:08:39,593
Okay--
1179
01:08:39,626 --> 01:08:40,793
Okay.
1180
01:08:43,793 --> 01:08:45,126
♪
1181
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:47,992
Mike saw pictures
in the media of her
1182
01:08:48,093 --> 01:08:49,693
many years ago--
beautiful girl--
1183
01:08:49,726 --> 01:08:52,559
and then pictures of her
as she was after the incident
1184
01:08:52,593 --> 01:08:54,093
and those two juxtaposed.
1185
01:08:54,093 --> 01:08:55,593
And he said,
"Look, they don't know
1186
01:08:55,626 --> 01:08:56,892
"about the intervening thing.
1187
01:08:56,925 --> 01:08:58,793
"Do they understand
that she was doing drugs?
1188
01:08:58,826 --> 01:09:00,726
"Do they understand
she was addicted?
1189
01:09:00,759 --> 01:09:03,393
Does the media understand
I was trying to help her?"
1190
01:09:03,426 --> 01:09:05,359
I wanna tell the jury
in closing argument,
1191
01:09:05,393 --> 01:09:06,259
she lied or she was mistaken.
1192
01:09:09,326 --> 01:09:11,826
Now, I don't like
to call somebody a liar,
1193
01:09:11,859 --> 01:09:13,226
but whether you're lying
or mistaken,
1194
01:09:13,259 --> 01:09:14,126
you know what they have
in common?
1195
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,992
You can't rely on it.
It's unreliable.
1196
01:09:17,093 --> 01:09:18,326
Unfortunate, but it's true.
1197
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:20,126
We can't rely on it.
That type of thing.
1198
01:09:26,992 --> 01:09:30,193
Miss Malinowski,
can you see me?
1199
01:09:30,226 --> 01:09:32,226
Okay.
My name is Bob Krapence.
1200
01:09:32,259 --> 01:09:34,793
I don't--I believe we've never
met or talked before, correct?
1201
01:09:36,693 --> 01:09:38,093
I've organized
some questions,
1202
01:09:38,093 --> 01:09:40,626
and I hope to keep it
to the point, pretty quick,
1203
01:09:40,659 --> 01:09:43,093
but if I skip around
a little bit, I apologize.
1204
01:09:43,093 --> 01:09:44,726
I don't mean to.
1205
01:09:44,759 --> 01:09:46,293
If you have any questions
1206
01:09:46,326 --> 01:09:48,393
or you're not sure
what I'm asking you, okay,
1207
01:09:48,426 --> 01:09:50,359
please ask me to repeat it
or rephrase it.
1208
01:09:50,393 --> 01:09:52,259
Fair enough?
1209
01:09:52,293 --> 01:09:53,226
Okay.
1210
01:10:02,025 --> 01:10:03,626
Okay.
1211
01:10:03,659 --> 01:10:05,793
Did you start stealing money
from Mike?
1212
01:10:08,659 --> 01:10:09,892
Mike gave you money?
1213
01:10:16,426 --> 01:10:20,693
My question is, you stole
money from Mike, correct? Okay?
1214
01:10:20,726 --> 01:10:23,293
Did you steal property
or money from your mother?
1215
01:10:27,326 --> 01:10:29,626
When Michael called
the police in May--
1216
01:10:29,659 --> 01:10:33,193
I think May 29th, 2015--
because of your behavior...
1217
01:10:41,025 --> 01:10:41,992
Okay.
1218
01:10:49,426 --> 01:10:51,326
Can you--can you tell us
what you were wearing
1219
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:53,858
that morning of August 2nd?
1220
01:10:55,759 --> 01:10:57,359
All right.
1221
01:10:57,393 --> 01:10:59,626
Do you remember
getting dressed that morning?
1222
01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:07,193
Don't remember what--
where you went to do drugs,
1223
01:11:07,226 --> 01:11:09,426
but you knew it was a bathroom
of some kind, correct?
1224
01:11:16,493 --> 01:11:19,426
Okay. It would be fair to say
that the trauma you've suffered
1225
01:11:19,459 --> 01:11:20,958
has affected your memory?
1226
01:11:23,326 --> 01:11:25,126
Okay, that it has affected
your ability
1227
01:11:25,159 --> 01:11:27,193
to recall events accurately?
1228
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:34,958
Would you agree that,
1229
01:11:34,992 --> 01:11:37,892
because of the trauma
that you have suffered,
1230
01:11:37,925 --> 01:11:40,393
your ability
to recall events accurately
1231
01:11:40,426 --> 01:11:42,293
has been compromised?
1232
01:11:59,093 --> 01:12:00,093
Okay--
1233
01:12:06,326 --> 01:12:08,858
I understand. What--what
I'm trying to get to is--
1234
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:15,293
Okay--
1235
01:12:17,858 --> 01:12:19,426
I appreciate that.
Ma'am, I...
1236
01:12:19,459 --> 01:12:22,193
I just remember walking out,
thinking, that was awful.
1237
01:12:22,226 --> 01:12:24,393
That was horrible.
I didn't wanna do it.
1238
01:12:24,426 --> 01:12:25,825
Glad it was all over.
1239
01:12:25,858 --> 01:12:27,326
I felt bad for her
from day one.
1240
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:29,526
I mean, I absolutely
felt bad for her.
1241
01:12:29,559 --> 01:12:32,126
I don't know who didn't
feel bad for her.
1242
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:36,093
I'll-I'll talk to you later
about it, okay?
1243
01:12:36,093 --> 01:12:38,159
Yeah.
1244
01:12:38,193 --> 01:12:41,792
Three hours of questioning.
1245
01:12:41,825 --> 01:12:43,193
I couldn't interrupt.
1246
01:12:43,226 --> 01:12:45,459
I couldn't knock on the door
and see if anybody was--
1247
01:12:45,493 --> 01:12:47,825
if--if she was okay.
1248
01:12:47,858 --> 01:12:52,093
And when I went in there,
1249
01:12:52,093 --> 01:12:53,992
I walked around
the side of that bed, and I--
1250
01:12:54,093 --> 01:12:56,193
she just grabbed me
1251
01:12:56,226 --> 01:13:00,259
as best she could
with her physical limitations,
1252
01:13:00,293 --> 01:13:07,093
and her entire burned body
just shook.
1253
01:13:09,393 --> 01:13:13,226
And I remember, she just
cried and cried and cried,
1254
01:13:13,259 --> 01:13:14,426
and shook and cried.
1255
01:13:21,293 --> 01:13:24,393
I think Judy went back
down the path of,
1256
01:13:24,426 --> 01:13:26,925
"Did I deserve this?
1257
01:13:26,958 --> 01:13:29,825
Am I really a bad person?"
1258
01:13:34,493 --> 01:13:38,925
Medically, it set her back. Absolutely.
1259
01:13:38,958 --> 01:13:43,459
I think Judy expressed
1260
01:13:43,493 --> 01:13:47,359
being tired of fighting
and in pain.
1261
01:13:50,226 --> 01:13:53,259
But she would not say to me,
"Mom, I wanna give up.
1262
01:13:53,293 --> 01:13:57,293
I wanna stop,"
because she knew that--
1263
01:13:57,326 --> 01:13:59,592
she knew
what that would do to me.
1264
01:13:59,625 --> 01:14:05,925
At times,
I thought my mom was selfish
1265
01:14:05,958 --> 01:14:09,892
because I thought that
she just didn't want my sister
1266
01:14:09,925 --> 01:14:11,493
to pass away.
1267
01:14:11,526 --> 01:14:17,093
And to me, I felt that
enough was enough.
1268
01:14:17,126 --> 01:14:20,992
And I-I can remember
asking my mom and dad
1269
01:14:21,093 --> 01:14:23,259
why they don't put people
to sleep
1270
01:14:23,293 --> 01:14:27,658
like they put dogs to sleep
1271
01:14:27,692 --> 01:14:30,658
and why they couldn't just
up my sister's pain medicine
1272
01:14:30,692 --> 01:14:34,159
when we knew that
she was gonna pass away.
1273
01:14:34,193 --> 01:14:38,326
And they told me that she--
1274
01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:42,326
she can't basically die
from medicine
1275
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:44,359
because that could impact
his murder trial.
1276
01:14:47,658 --> 01:14:51,226
After nearly 60 surgeries
and two years in the hospital,
1277
01:14:51,259 --> 01:14:53,226
Judy has been moved
to a care facility
1278
01:14:53,259 --> 01:14:55,359
and is no longer
getting medical treatment.
1279
01:14:55,393 --> 01:14:57,658
♪
1280
01:14:57,692 --> 01:14:59,393
So they asked me
to sign these papers,
1281
01:14:59,426 --> 01:15:02,525
and I said, "No, I will not
sign these hospice papers."
1282
01:15:05,259 --> 01:15:08,558
So Judy, with one--
her arm was amputated
1283
01:15:08,592 --> 01:15:11,293
'cause it was burnt
at the bottom--
1284
01:15:11,326 --> 01:15:15,293
she said, "Mom, I will,"
and she put an X.
1285
01:15:15,326 --> 01:15:20,658
And I know Judy, because
Judy would have normally tried
1286
01:15:20,692 --> 01:15:24,293
to do her name,
and she just put an X
1287
01:15:24,326 --> 01:15:25,558
and handed it back.
1288
01:15:29,625 --> 01:15:31,958
Judy Malinowski's family
now says
1289
01:15:31,992 --> 01:15:34,093
they're coming
to a fork in the road.
1290
01:15:34,093 --> 01:15:37,226
Kind of slipped down
a spiral hill.
1291
01:15:37,259 --> 01:15:38,525
We're either gonna have
to make a choice
1292
01:15:38,558 --> 01:15:41,293
to let God and nature
take its choice,
1293
01:15:41,326 --> 01:15:45,093
or hopefully
she'll pull out of it
1294
01:15:45,093 --> 01:15:47,459
and we'll be able
to move forward.
1295
01:15:51,692 --> 01:15:55,093
I said,
"Okay, Judy.
1296
01:15:55,093 --> 01:15:58,658
I'll hold your hand and hope
Jesus takes the other."
1297
01:16:03,692 --> 01:16:05,725
And...
1298
01:16:05,758 --> 01:16:09,359
And I stood up,
and only for a second.
1299
01:16:09,393 --> 01:16:12,458
And I turned--
I let go of Judy's hand
1300
01:16:12,492 --> 01:16:14,758
and I turned--and Judy
was breathing in okay--
1301
01:16:14,792 --> 01:16:18,458
and I turned.
1302
01:16:18,492 --> 01:16:20,758
And I went and picked up
her hand, and I looked,
1303
01:16:20,792 --> 01:16:22,592
and Beth looked,
and--and--
1304
01:16:22,625 --> 01:16:26,658
I mean, I'm talking seconds, just...
1305
01:16:35,126 --> 01:16:37,658
She was gone.
1306
01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:47,592
♪
1307
01:16:59,792 --> 01:17:01,093
I don't--
1308
01:17:48,326 --> 01:17:50,792
You all right, Mads?
1309
01:17:50,825 --> 01:17:53,592
I love you.
1310
01:17:53,625 --> 01:17:55,758
Oh.
1311
01:18:02,858 --> 01:18:06,592
Mm, you're allowed to be sad.
1312
01:18:12,858 --> 01:18:14,592
Well, a new chapter
1313
01:18:14,625 --> 01:18:17,293
in one family's long fight
for justice
1314
01:18:17,326 --> 01:18:19,758
since the man accused
of burning a woman alive
1315
01:18:19,792 --> 01:18:22,592
faces a judge,
now charged with murder.
1316
01:18:22,625 --> 01:18:25,825
Michael Slager is facing
the death penalty.
1317
01:18:25,858 --> 01:18:30,425
Michael William Slager, 17CR5335.
1318
01:18:30,458 --> 01:18:32,425
Two counts of aggravated murder
1319
01:18:32,458 --> 01:18:34,592
with death specifications
and two counts of murder.
1320
01:18:34,625 --> 01:18:36,725
Michael was adamant
that he was innocent
1321
01:18:36,758 --> 01:18:38,892
and he wanted a trial.
1322
01:18:38,925 --> 01:18:43,425
So the state said,
1323
01:18:43,458 --> 01:18:46,358
"Okay we want
the death penalty."
1324
01:18:46,392 --> 01:18:49,159
And he didn't waver.
1325
01:18:49,193 --> 01:18:50,592
"I'm innocent.
I want a trial."
1326
01:18:50,625 --> 01:18:53,259
Can a person be able
to testify at the trial
1327
01:18:53,292 --> 01:18:55,692
of the suspect accused
of killing them?
1328
01:18:55,725 --> 01:18:57,525
A potential historic decision.
1329
01:18:57,558 --> 01:18:58,892
So we knew
how horrible this thing was,
1330
01:18:58,925 --> 01:19:00,692
and we knew that we don't want
a jury to see this.
1331
01:19:00,725 --> 01:19:02,392
The prosecutor,
Ron O'Brien,
1332
01:19:02,425 --> 01:19:04,958
calls this case
"unprecedented."
1333
01:19:04,992 --> 01:19:07,825
The defense attorneys
will fight like heck
1334
01:19:07,858 --> 01:19:11,558
to keep that testimony
of the victim excluded
1335
01:19:11,592 --> 01:19:14,592
from any jury trial.
1336
01:19:14,625 --> 01:19:16,558
I went
to every single hearing,
1337
01:19:16,592 --> 01:19:18,325
every single one,
right down to--
1338
01:19:18,358 --> 01:19:19,725
we had a hearing to see,
I think,
1339
01:19:19,758 --> 01:19:21,392
if he could wear a suit
or something
1340
01:19:21,425 --> 01:19:22,658
into the courtroom.
1341
01:19:22,692 --> 01:19:23,958
And he was at all those,
1342
01:19:23,992 --> 01:19:28,258
and so, I made it sure
that I was at all those,
1343
01:19:28,292 --> 01:19:30,992
because I felt like I needed
to be Judy, sitting there.
1344
01:19:31,093 --> 01:19:32,126
Your Honor,
this is what I will share.
1345
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:34,892
These kind of cases don't come
before this court, ever.
1346
01:19:34,925 --> 01:19:36,392
And in death penalty cases,
1347
01:19:36,425 --> 01:19:37,825
the Supreme Court
has recognized
1348
01:19:37,858 --> 01:19:41,592
that more of being processed,
more protection is due,
1349
01:19:41,625 --> 01:19:45,258
not less protection
be afforded to Mr. Slager.
1350
01:19:45,292 --> 01:19:49,258
The criminal defendant's
right to confrontation
1351
01:19:49,292 --> 01:19:52,458
is of paramount importance,
1352
01:19:52,492 --> 01:19:54,258
but the defendant,
in this case,
1353
01:19:54,292 --> 01:19:58,392
did have an opportunity
to confront the accuser,
1354
01:19:58,425 --> 01:20:02,358
to subject her
to cross-examination.
1355
01:20:02,392 --> 01:20:08,292
Two-thirds of the deposition
consist of cross-examination.
1356
01:20:08,325 --> 01:20:09,658
Thank you, God.
1357
01:20:09,692 --> 01:20:11,625
Now on "10,"
an emotional debate
1358
01:20:11,658 --> 01:20:13,892
leads to a groundbreaking
court ruling.
1359
01:20:13,925 --> 01:20:18,625
A jury will hear the testimony
of Judy Malinowski.
1360
01:20:18,658 --> 01:20:21,425
So you're aware right now
1361
01:20:21,458 --> 01:20:23,892
he's going
to plead no contest?
1362
01:20:23,925 --> 01:20:27,225
We've said, "No,
it has to be a guilty plea."
1363
01:20:27,258 --> 01:20:28,892
Right, I feel like
1364
01:20:28,925 --> 01:20:31,758
Michael has not taken
accountability for anything.
1365
01:20:31,792 --> 01:20:32,958
And Casey said
we'll make sure
1366
01:20:32,992 --> 01:20:34,725
the judge knows your position.
1367
01:20:34,758 --> 01:20:37,325
Once we're done,
once I have an update,
1368
01:20:37,358 --> 01:20:38,725
- I'll give you a call.
- Uh-huh.
1369
01:20:38,758 --> 01:20:39,692
And take care. I'll talk
to you in a little bit.
1370
01:20:39,725 --> 01:20:40,758
Okay, thanks.
1371
01:20:40,792 --> 01:20:41,858
Hey, little buddy.
1372
01:20:41,892 --> 01:20:44,925
Are you feeling sad?
1373
01:20:44,958 --> 01:20:47,458
Your heart is broke?
1374
01:20:47,492 --> 01:20:50,292
Why is your heart broke?
1375
01:20:50,325 --> 01:20:52,325
Because Judy?
1376
01:20:52,358 --> 01:20:54,425
You miss Judy?
1377
01:20:54,458 --> 01:20:57,325
I miss Judy too,
but you know what?
1378
01:20:57,358 --> 01:20:58,725
After Mommy goes to court
1379
01:20:58,758 --> 01:21:00,658
and the bad guys
get their punishment,
1380
01:21:00,692 --> 01:21:03,093
will you feel better, baby?
1381
01:21:03,093 --> 01:21:04,093
Uh-huh.
1382
01:21:09,825 --> 01:21:16,093
♪
1383
01:21:16,093 --> 01:21:18,358
When you're
representing somebody,
1384
01:21:18,392 --> 01:21:19,658
and the government says,
"We want to put this guy
1385
01:21:19,692 --> 01:21:21,525
to death,"
you know,
1386
01:21:21,558 --> 01:21:22,625
you go to bed thinking
about the case
1387
01:21:22,658 --> 01:21:24,093
and you wake up
thinking about the case.
1388
01:21:24,093 --> 01:21:27,525
I think if we went to trial,
there was a good chance
1389
01:21:27,558 --> 01:21:29,625
that a jury would return
a verdict for death.
1390
01:21:31,992 --> 01:21:34,692
We had been asking
the prosecutor early on,
1391
01:21:34,725 --> 01:21:37,093
you know, give us an offer,
make us an offer,
1392
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:38,725
but you know,
Mike said, "I'm not--
1393
01:21:38,758 --> 01:21:40,858
"I can't admit
I did this knowingly.
1394
01:21:40,892 --> 01:21:43,392
I didn't do this knowingly.
I--I'm not gonna say that."
1395
01:21:43,425 --> 01:21:47,525
And so, we kind of started
working hard on Michael
1396
01:21:47,558 --> 01:21:52,525
to swing his head around.
1397
01:21:52,558 --> 01:21:55,458
And he had a--he had a good
relationship with his daughter.
1398
01:21:55,492 --> 01:21:56,892
And so we--we brought her now,
1399
01:21:56,925 --> 01:21:58,525
and then we got permission
from the judge
1400
01:21:58,558 --> 01:22:00,858
and from the sheriffs
to bring her in
1401
01:22:00,892 --> 01:22:02,792
and have a conversation
with him
1402
01:22:02,825 --> 01:22:05,093
with the sole objective
of saying,
1403
01:22:05,093 --> 01:22:07,858
you know,
"Dad, don't die."
1404
01:22:07,892 --> 01:22:09,858
Here's a guy who did
this horrible thing,
1405
01:22:09,892 --> 01:22:11,692
making a decision
of life and death
1406
01:22:11,725 --> 01:22:13,758
and how it affects,
you know, his kids.
1407
01:22:13,792 --> 01:22:15,525
And that's--it's just hard.
1408
01:22:19,425 --> 01:22:21,458
I'm gonna call your grandpa.
1409
01:22:21,492 --> 01:22:23,992
I'm gonna put him on speaker.
1410
01:22:24,092 --> 01:22:25,525
- Hello?
- Hey.
1411
01:22:25,558 --> 01:22:27,792
I-I have not
told the girls anything,
1412
01:22:27,825 --> 01:22:30,958
and I thought I would tell you
at the same time.
1413
01:22:30,992 --> 01:22:33,392
Ron O'Brien has
reached out to me
1414
01:22:33,425 --> 01:22:38,692
and said that Michael
is willing to plead guilty,
1415
01:22:38,725 --> 01:22:41,925
says, You know what, I was
fighting for all along."
1416
01:22:41,958 --> 01:22:43,892
And he's willing
to do life in prison
1417
01:22:43,925 --> 01:22:45,892
with no chance of parole
1418
01:22:45,925 --> 01:22:48,958
in exchange for the death
penalty being off the table.
1419
01:22:48,992 --> 01:22:52,592
Her testimony will be unsealed
and given to the family.
1420
01:22:52,625 --> 01:22:55,758
I told Ron I would like it
played or shown when he pleas,
1421
01:22:55,792 --> 01:22:57,625
but will he really do that?
1422
01:22:57,658 --> 01:22:59,625
I don't know.
Do you?
1423
01:22:59,658 --> 01:23:01,092
Yeah, what he said before,
1424
01:23:01,092 --> 01:23:04,092
and he got
two different things, so...
1425
01:23:04,092 --> 01:23:07,792
You know, Mr. O'Brien is--
says there's a 50/50 shot
1426
01:23:07,825 --> 01:23:11,158
that he could back out
on this guilty plea, that--
1427
01:23:11,192 --> 01:23:12,958
Oh, for sure.
1428
01:23:12,992 --> 01:23:15,692
- I still have a question.
- Okay.
1429
01:23:15,725 --> 01:23:16,925
You know how, like,
1430
01:23:16,958 --> 01:23:18,925
he'll probably have life
with no parole?
1431
01:23:18,958 --> 01:23:20,692
Uh-huh.
1432
01:23:20,725 --> 01:23:22,625
Would it still be okay
if, like,
1433
01:23:22,658 --> 01:23:24,692
he wrote letters to his family?
1434
01:23:24,725 --> 01:23:25,792
- Mm-hmm.
- Is that still up?
1435
01:23:25,825 --> 01:23:27,158
I would think so, yeah.
1436
01:23:27,192 --> 01:23:29,925
Yeah, because not able
to see anybody or go out.
1437
01:23:29,958 --> 01:23:30,792
He can still
write letters and stuff.
1438
01:23:30,825 --> 01:23:32,958
- He can still see people too.
- David?
1439
01:23:32,992 --> 01:23:34,825
But it's life
with no parole.
1440
01:23:34,858 --> 01:23:36,425
Parole is, he can't get out.
1441
01:23:36,458 --> 01:23:38,858
He can't get out,
but his family can still go
1442
01:23:38,892 --> 01:23:40,925
- and visit him.
- Oh.
1443
01:23:40,958 --> 01:23:42,092
Yeah, that kind of stinks,
1444
01:23:42,125 --> 01:23:43,792
'cause you can't see
your mommy.
1445
01:23:43,825 --> 01:23:45,425
Yeah, that's the thing.
It's not fair.
1446
01:23:45,458 --> 01:23:48,492
If he--if we don't get
to see part of our family,
1447
01:23:48,525 --> 01:23:50,458
he shouldn't get
to see his family.
1448
01:23:50,492 --> 01:23:53,092
Yeah, but it doesn't
bring back our family either.
1449
01:23:53,092 --> 01:23:55,092
Yeah,
but it just makes it fair.
1450
01:23:55,092 --> 01:23:57,158
Life in prison
would mean nothing to him
1451
01:23:57,192 --> 01:24:00,092
because he's already been
in prison multiple times.
1452
01:24:00,125 --> 01:24:01,258
Just say you want
the death penalty
1453
01:24:01,292 --> 01:24:02,825
'cause you're mad
'cause your mom is gone.
1454
01:24:02,858 --> 01:24:04,758
No, he deserves
the death penalty.
1455
01:24:04,792 --> 01:24:07,925
So, do you believe
in the death penalty?
1456
01:24:07,958 --> 01:24:11,192
Not in all cases,
but in this case.
1457
01:24:11,225 --> 01:24:14,092
If he had the gut
to do that to somebody,
1458
01:24:14,125 --> 01:24:16,725
somebody should have the gut
to do it to him.
1459
01:24:16,758 --> 01:24:19,625
- Who told you that?
- No, I-I made that up.
1460
01:24:19,658 --> 01:24:20,991
I don't think we should
get all worked up about it
1461
01:24:21,092 --> 01:24:23,858
because who knows
what he'll do,
1462
01:24:23,892 --> 01:24:27,092
and whatever he does is
in God's hands anyway.
1463
01:24:27,092 --> 01:24:30,192
God--God's already
sorted this out.
1464
01:24:30,225 --> 01:24:32,758
Jury selection is set
to begin tomorrow
1465
01:24:32,792 --> 01:24:33,925
in the murder trial
of Michael Slager.
1466
01:24:33,957 --> 01:24:36,592
Judge Guy Reece sent out
a notice late last night
1467
01:24:36,625 --> 01:24:38,258
that there has been
an important development.
1468
01:24:38,292 --> 01:24:40,225
The hearing had suddenly
and unexpectedly
1469
01:24:40,258 --> 01:24:42,925
been scheduled
for tomorrow morning.
1470
01:24:42,957 --> 01:24:45,125
Heavenly Father,
and Son, and...
1471
01:24:45,158 --> 01:24:47,092
all: Holy spirit. Amen.
1472
01:24:47,125 --> 01:24:51,225
Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be Thy name.
1473
01:24:51,258 --> 01:24:52,991
Thy kingdom come.
1474
01:24:53,092 --> 01:24:56,758
Thy will be done on Earth
as it is in heaven.
1475
01:24:56,792 --> 01:24:58,957
Give us this day
our daily bread,
1476
01:24:58,991 --> 01:25:01,592
and forgive us our trespasses
1477
01:25:01,625 --> 01:25:05,225
as we forgive
those who trespass against us.
1478
01:25:05,258 --> 01:25:07,825
And lead us
not into temptation,
1479
01:25:07,858 --> 01:25:09,658
but deliver us from evil.
1480
01:25:09,692 --> 01:25:11,092
Amen.
1481
01:25:14,125 --> 01:25:21,092
♪
1482
01:25:27,658 --> 01:25:28,991
You may be seated.
1483
01:25:34,258 --> 01:25:37,924
The state of Ohio
versus Michael Slager,
1484
01:25:37,957 --> 01:25:41,957
case number 17CR5335.
1485
01:25:41,991 --> 01:25:46,158
If you would, I would ask you
to play the video.
1486
01:25:51,258 --> 01:25:55,758
Judy, can you tell me about
the pain that you live with?
1487
01:25:55,792 --> 01:25:56,991
Objection.
1488
01:25:59,325 --> 01:26:00,325
I...
1489
01:26:15,092 --> 01:26:16,358
And not...
1490
01:26:40,225 --> 01:26:43,225
I don't want
an eye for an eye.
1491
01:26:43,258 --> 01:26:47,125
I don't want malice.
I don't want harm on him.
1492
01:26:47,158 --> 01:26:51,358
I heard that he's not sorry.
1493
01:26:51,392 --> 01:26:54,092
I really want to understand
1494
01:26:54,125 --> 01:27:01,258
why and how he cannot be sorry.
1495
01:27:01,292 --> 01:27:02,425
I want him to be sorry.
1496
01:27:02,458 --> 01:27:03,792
I guess I want him to be sorry
1497
01:27:03,824 --> 01:27:06,258
because she was a human being.
1498
01:27:06,292 --> 01:27:10,092
Judy, I would just like you
to state here,
1499
01:27:10,092 --> 01:27:11,991
if you were to die
from your injuries
1500
01:27:12,092 --> 01:27:14,957
and Mr. Slager were to be
convicted of having done that,
1501
01:27:14,991 --> 01:27:17,725
I want you
to tell a future judge
1502
01:27:17,758 --> 01:27:20,891
what you want to see happen
to Mr. Slager.
1503
01:27:29,458 --> 01:27:31,158
Okay.
Thank you, Judy.
1504
01:27:31,192 --> 01:27:33,092
Yeah.
1505
01:27:33,092 --> 01:27:35,292
She didn't believe
in the death penalty.
1506
01:27:35,325 --> 01:27:38,092
And while I very much think
Michael Slager deserved to die
1507
01:27:38,092 --> 01:27:40,092
for what he did,
I think she had the right
1508
01:27:40,092 --> 01:27:42,258
to tell the judge,
who ultimately would impose
1509
01:27:42,292 --> 01:27:46,092
the sentence,
what penalty she wanted.
1510
01:27:46,092 --> 01:27:49,258
I think the best thing
for Michael, unfortunately,
1511
01:27:49,292 --> 01:27:50,791
was that
that deposition was taken,
1512
01:27:50,824 --> 01:27:52,325
that she said what she said.
1513
01:27:52,358 --> 01:27:54,425
And-and that ended up--
all those rulings
1514
01:27:54,458 --> 01:27:56,192
that we were fighting against
so hard
1515
01:27:56,225 --> 01:28:01,192
probably combined in some way
to save his life.
1516
01:28:01,225 --> 01:28:03,857
I think we're done here.
You can kill the feed.
1517
01:28:03,891 --> 01:28:06,092
Thank you.
1518
01:28:06,125 --> 01:28:08,092
Sir, what's your plea...
1519
01:28:08,092 --> 01:28:09,824
- Guilty.
- To one count
1520
01:28:09,857 --> 01:28:15,458
of aggravated murder
without capital specification?
1521
01:28:15,492 --> 01:28:16,458
- Guilty.
- You understand
1522
01:28:20,824 --> 01:28:22,492
- Yes, Your Honor.
- You will spend
1523
01:28:22,525 --> 01:28:25,192
the rest of your natural life incarcerated.
1524
01:28:25,225 --> 01:28:27,991
Life in prison
with no chance of parole
1525
01:28:28,092 --> 01:28:29,525
is the sentence
for the man convicted
1526
01:28:29,558 --> 01:28:31,425
in the murder
of Judy Malinowski.
1527
01:28:34,292 --> 01:28:36,924
My mom taught me that
you could stand up to anybody.
1528
01:28:39,092 --> 01:28:41,125
Malinowski gets her wish.
1529
01:28:41,158 --> 01:28:43,192
Slager avoids
the death penalty
1530
01:28:43,225 --> 01:28:45,292
but will go to prison
for life.
1531
01:28:51,824 --> 01:28:53,957
Do I think he's innocent?
1532
01:28:56,525 --> 01:28:58,791
Um...
1533
01:28:58,824 --> 01:29:00,991
Yeah, no.
1534
01:29:01,092 --> 01:29:02,924
No, I can't--
I-I find it hard to buy.
1535
01:29:02,957 --> 01:29:04,558
I find it hard to buy as--
1536
01:29:04,592 --> 01:29:07,525
as I would find it
hard to sell to a jury.
1537
01:29:07,558 --> 01:29:09,425
If that happened
to a loved one of mine,
1538
01:29:09,458 --> 01:29:11,092
that sentence
wouldn't be enough.
1539
01:29:11,125 --> 01:29:12,425
I mean,
it just wouldn't be enough.
1540
01:29:12,458 --> 01:29:15,092
I don't know what sentence
would be enough, though.
1541
01:29:15,125 --> 01:29:16,991
There are people
in the system,
1542
01:29:17,092 --> 01:29:18,358
and the system itself,
1543
01:29:18,392 --> 01:29:20,924
that will fight
for people like Judy--
1544
01:29:20,957 --> 01:29:22,558
people who aren't perfect,
1545
01:29:22,592 --> 01:29:25,092
who aren't saints,
who have baggage.
1546
01:29:25,092 --> 01:29:27,924
I'm proud of the fact that,
you know, whether we needed it
1547
01:29:27,957 --> 01:29:31,092
to prove the case or not,
that she got to tell her story
1548
01:29:31,092 --> 01:29:33,325
and that she got
what she felt was justice.
1549
01:29:33,358 --> 01:29:36,258
Yeah, hi.
Good afternoon.
1550
01:29:39,092 --> 01:29:41,258
Was this the right outcome?
1551
01:29:41,292 --> 01:29:43,292
Yeah, it's what--
it was the right outcome
1552
01:29:43,325 --> 01:29:46,558
because it was
what Judy wanted.
1553
01:29:46,592 --> 01:29:48,425
How important was it to you
1554
01:29:48,458 --> 01:29:51,092
to hear the word "guilty"
come out of his mouth?
1555
01:29:51,125 --> 01:29:53,392
You know, that held up
a lot in negotiations
1556
01:29:53,425 --> 01:29:58,092
because I could not accept
anything but a guilty plea.
1557
01:29:58,092 --> 01:30:00,158
It had to be guilty
or not guilty.
1558
01:30:00,192 --> 01:30:02,258
There's just no one in between.
1559
01:30:12,857 --> 01:30:15,292
* When I find in trouble
1560
01:30:15,325 --> 01:30:18,558
♪ Sister Judy comes to me
1561
01:30:20,392 --> 01:30:23,558
♪ Speaking words of wisdom,
let it be ♪
1562
01:30:25,225 --> 01:30:27,325
♪ In my hour of darkness
1563
01:30:27,358 --> 01:30:30,924
♪ She's standing
right in front of me ♪
1564
01:30:30,957 --> 01:30:33,325
♪ Whisper words of wisdom
1565
01:30:33,358 --> 01:30:35,857
♪ Oh, guess you let it be
1566
01:31:07,591 --> 01:31:14,492
♪
1567
01:31:43,657 --> 01:31:45,624
Oh, hey, everybody.
How's it going?
1568
01:31:45,657 --> 01:31:48,557
both: "Hi, everybody!"
1569
01:31:48,591 --> 01:31:50,458
"How's it going?"
both: "Everybody."
1570
01:31:59,425 --> 01:32:04,691
♪
1571
01:32:08,225 --> 01:32:10,192
- Mama, did you get that?
- No, I haven't.