1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:07,882 [upbeat music playing] 2 00:00:07,966 --> 00:00:09,426 [woman directing indistinctly] 3 00:00:10,176 --> 00:00:12,512 In three, two… 4 00:00:12,595 --> 00:00:13,805 ♪Let's go ♪ 5 00:00:13,888 --> 00:00:18,560 Welcome to The Ultimatum: Queer Love Season 2 Reunion. 6 00:00:18,643 --> 00:00:20,311 I'm JoAnna Garcia Swisher. 7 00:00:20,395 --> 00:00:22,981 It has been one year since the Ultimatum came to term. 8 00:00:23,064 --> 00:00:26,484 And today, we are diving in to find out what has unfolded 9 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:27,861 since the big decision. 10 00:00:27,944 --> 00:00:30,155 Have any of the couples tied the knot? 11 00:00:30,238 --> 00:00:33,491 Had a change of heart? Faced any regrets? 12 00:00:33,575 --> 00:00:36,745 Everyone is back, and nothing is off the table. 13 00:00:36,828 --> 00:00:38,913 ♪ Boom, I'm shaking up ♪ 14 00:00:38,997 --> 00:00:40,999 ♪ Shake, shake, shake ♪ 15 00:00:41,082 --> 00:00:43,168 ♪ For the win, win Twist and shout ♪ 16 00:00:43,251 --> 00:00:44,711 ♪ Time to shake it up ♪ 17 00:00:44,794 --> 00:00:46,838 ♪ Boom, I'm shaking up ♪ 18 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:49,007 ♪ Shake, shake, shake ♪ 19 00:00:49,966 --> 00:00:53,011 ♪ Watch me shake it Ice in my cup, shake it up ♪ 20 00:00:55,013 --> 00:00:55,930 ♪ Wildfire! ♪ 21 00:00:56,431 --> 00:00:57,557 [Britney] Hi! 22 00:00:58,391 --> 00:01:00,060 ♪ Can you feel the power? ♪ 23 00:01:00,143 --> 00:01:02,604 -[JoAnna] You're like a mermaid. -[Marita giggles] 24 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:04,230 [Mel] Hey, Ashley. 25 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:07,692 ♪ Ice in my cup Shake it up ♪ 26 00:01:08,651 --> 00:01:09,819 [JoAnna] You all look amazing. 27 00:01:10,403 --> 00:01:12,530 -[woman] You too. -[JoAnna] Thank you. 28 00:01:12,614 --> 00:01:16,618 This season ended in an unprecedented five out of six couples 29 00:01:16,701 --> 00:01:18,578 taking the leap and getting engaged. 30 00:01:18,661 --> 00:01:20,330 I can't wait to hear how things are going. 31 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:23,249 You have to remember, it has been a year. 32 00:01:23,333 --> 00:01:27,212 [Magan] We're looking back at it, and it's just like, a lot did happen. 33 00:01:27,295 --> 00:01:28,379 We leaned into it. 34 00:01:28,463 --> 00:01:30,340 We all had deep, meaningful connections. 35 00:01:30,423 --> 00:01:31,257 Absolutely. 36 00:01:31,341 --> 00:01:32,467 We really appreciate 37 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:34,803 -the growth that we had with one another. -[Dayna] Yeah. 38 00:01:34,886 --> 00:01:37,722 I went into this thinking nothing could break us up, 39 00:01:37,806 --> 00:01:41,184 and I almost left not knowing who Haley was. 40 00:01:41,267 --> 00:01:43,728 And now I'm like, that was a year ago. That was crazy. 41 00:01:43,812 --> 00:01:46,481 We were all in a crazy situation. Like, shit. 42 00:01:46,564 --> 00:01:48,900 But now I'm like, truly am rooting for everyone. 43 00:01:48,983 --> 00:01:52,070 And like, maybe we won't all be best friends from this experience, 44 00:01:52,153 --> 00:01:55,198 but I'm not in a place where I need to cut you or cut this, 45 00:01:55,281 --> 00:01:58,618 like what happened, because that's just not where we're at. 46 00:01:58,701 --> 00:01:59,536 [women] Yeah. 47 00:01:59,619 --> 00:02:01,079 Okay. Let's get into it. 48 00:02:01,162 --> 00:02:02,413 Britney and AJ. 49 00:02:02,497 --> 00:02:03,790 -[AJ] Hey. -[Britney] Hi. 50 00:02:03,873 --> 00:02:06,209 [JoAnna] Last we saw you, you were celebrating an engagement. 51 00:02:06,292 --> 00:02:08,711 How does it feel to be an engaged couple? 52 00:02:08,795 --> 00:02:10,171 It's been awesome. 53 00:02:10,255 --> 00:02:13,508 I think we grew stronger in our love, which was amazing. 54 00:02:13,591 --> 00:02:18,138 You know, we gained a stronger fellowship with God for ourselves. 55 00:02:18,221 --> 00:02:19,472 And then… 56 00:02:19,556 --> 00:02:21,182 Does it feel different? 57 00:02:21,266 --> 00:02:22,642 [Britney] I feel like, a bit, yeah. 58 00:02:22,725 --> 00:02:26,855 I feel like we've developed a sense where we're just more in tune with each other, 59 00:02:26,938 --> 00:02:28,481 more attentive to each other, 60 00:02:28,565 --> 00:02:33,027 and everything that we both learned during our Ultimatum experience, 61 00:02:33,111 --> 00:02:35,071 we've been applying it to our real lives. 62 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:37,115 -Yes. -I've learned work-life balance. 63 00:02:37,198 --> 00:02:39,742 -[JoAnna] Okay. -[Britney] And being attentive to my baby. 64 00:02:39,826 --> 00:02:41,744 -[JoAnna] I love that. -[Britney] It's been great. 65 00:02:41,828 --> 00:02:47,167 Watching your love story just grow, I felt like it was really heartwarming, 66 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:51,087 especially because it felt like you guys had these incredible realizations 67 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:54,090 and you really met each other in such a great place. 68 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:57,135 If I'm being real honest and frank here, 69 00:02:57,218 --> 00:03:00,597 I think some of that I have to attest to Marita, 70 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,684 because Marita actually let me know, "If it would be the business or you, 71 00:03:04,767 --> 00:03:06,436 she would choose you every time." 72 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:08,646 And Marita opened my eyes 73 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:12,442 to understand that Britney is doing this business for us… 74 00:03:12,525 --> 00:03:14,110 -[JoAnna] Yes. -…to build a future for us. 75 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:16,946 And Marita, you know I always tell you I'm so grateful for you 76 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:20,700 because I don't think I'd be sitting here together on this couch 77 00:03:20,783 --> 00:03:23,870 with the love of my life if it wasn't for you. 78 00:03:23,953 --> 00:03:25,705 [Marita] I appreciate you saying that. 79 00:03:25,788 --> 00:03:29,083 I would also say it was more than just us being friends. 80 00:03:29,167 --> 00:03:32,587 We emotionally connected on such a deep level 81 00:03:32,670 --> 00:03:34,881 that helped us both grow. 82 00:03:34,964 --> 00:03:37,091 And I think that that's part of the experience. 83 00:03:37,175 --> 00:03:40,803 I love hearing that it is about building together and dreaming together. 84 00:03:40,887 --> 00:03:43,139 That's what creates that unbreakable bond. 85 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:44,057 Absolutely. 86 00:03:44,140 --> 00:03:47,310 I had to make sure she got right because the ring I got her before 87 00:03:47,393 --> 00:03:49,270 wasn't what it needed to be. 88 00:03:49,354 --> 00:03:51,439 I definitely upgraded because I appreciate it. 89 00:03:51,522 --> 00:03:54,067 Let me see it. Oh, my Lord. Okay. Yes. 90 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:54,984 [laughing] 91 00:03:55,068 --> 00:03:57,487 -[AJ] Definitely had to give an upgrade. -Yes, you did. 92 00:03:58,446 --> 00:04:01,115 AJ, we learned a lot about you through this experience. 93 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:03,409 And oftentimes, it was narrated by you. 94 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:05,536 -So let's take a look. -[AJ] Oh God. 95 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:07,538 Just ready to put single AJ to the test 96 00:04:07,622 --> 00:04:10,041 and see what kind of AJ we're going to get. 97 00:04:10,124 --> 00:04:11,251 [laughing] 98 00:04:11,334 --> 00:04:13,753 Everybody has something to give AJ. 99 00:04:13,836 --> 00:04:15,838 And I don't know what it is that AJ may need. 100 00:04:17,006 --> 00:04:19,342 People got a little piece of AJ and liked it. 101 00:04:19,425 --> 00:04:22,136 -[Marie laughs] She's so cute. -[AJ] I don't know who this AJ is. 102 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:24,806 We could be talking to a whole different AJ right now. 103 00:04:24,889 --> 00:04:26,391 [exaggerated gasp] 104 00:04:26,474 --> 00:04:28,685 She knows she wants to marry AJ. 105 00:04:28,768 --> 00:04:30,103 Where does that leave AJ? 106 00:04:30,186 --> 00:04:33,314 -[Bridget laughs] -Honesty about what AJ's doing, 107 00:04:33,398 --> 00:04:35,149 and when AJ's talking 108 00:04:35,233 --> 00:04:37,277 and when AJ's asking. 109 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,072 There's a lot AJ needs to work on before maybe even thinking about marriage. 110 00:04:41,155 --> 00:04:41,990 Still. 111 00:04:42,073 --> 00:04:45,576 There's no days off for AJ. Like, it's all the time. 112 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:47,495 That's what makes AJ, AJ. 113 00:04:47,578 --> 00:04:49,580 -[all laughing] -[AJ] Oh my God. 114 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:52,375 -That was funny. -I love that. That was hilarious. 115 00:04:52,458 --> 00:04:55,628 [JoAnna] I have a question for you. Now that you've watched everything back, 116 00:04:55,712 --> 00:04:59,299 do you feel that AJ was a little too forward during dating week? 117 00:04:59,382 --> 00:05:01,217 Yes. Ten out of ten. 118 00:05:01,718 --> 00:05:03,261 -[JoAnna] Ten out of ten? Okay. -Yeah. 119 00:05:03,344 --> 00:05:04,804 Would you like to expand? 120 00:05:04,887 --> 00:05:08,349 [Ashley] Marita warned me beforehand. "You're not gonna like our conversations." 121 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:11,269 And then seeing how she was speaking that way with everybody, 122 00:05:11,352 --> 00:05:13,396 like, yeah, it's a little odd to me, 123 00:05:13,479 --> 00:05:16,482 but that's just like my own mind where I don't understand it 124 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:19,360 'cause, like, that's not specifically what I was here for. 125 00:05:19,444 --> 00:05:23,406 It's just like every conversation AJ had with everybody was just, 126 00:05:23,489 --> 00:05:24,991 it was very, like, sexual. 127 00:05:26,242 --> 00:05:29,495 AJ as a person just connects with everybody she meets. 128 00:05:29,579 --> 00:05:32,540 She's going to find the heart in somebody that she's talking to. 129 00:05:32,623 --> 00:05:35,084 She's going to get to know them on a personal level, 130 00:05:35,168 --> 00:05:38,254 but it's not like it was malicious. 131 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,340 I feel like AJ was being AJ. 132 00:05:40,423 --> 00:05:41,257 Right. 133 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:45,762 I was like, even from my perspective, I feel like AJ was just being… you. 134 00:05:45,845 --> 00:05:49,932 I know who I am and what I bring to the table and what I can bring, 135 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:52,727 um, especially, and I know what I lack. 136 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:54,145 I think during dating week, 137 00:05:54,228 --> 00:05:57,815 I was just trying to figure out what it was that I needed in those times. 138 00:05:57,899 --> 00:06:01,486 There was a lot that was talked about, a lot of deep conversations, 139 00:06:01,569 --> 00:06:03,988 a lot of romantic conversations. There was a lot. 140 00:06:04,072 --> 00:06:06,866 And I was trying to navigate that the best way AJ knew how. 141 00:06:06,949 --> 00:06:09,744 -And the best way I knew how. -[all laughing] 142 00:06:09,827 --> 00:06:11,788 -Again, here we go. -[AJ] Again, right? 143 00:06:11,871 --> 00:06:13,331 I got to work on that. 144 00:06:13,414 --> 00:06:14,749 Um, but yeah. 145 00:06:15,917 --> 00:06:17,877 Marie, during your trial marriage, 146 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,421 you said that you had never felt more alone. 147 00:06:20,505 --> 00:06:23,883 Do you think that AJ could have done more for you as a trial wife? 148 00:06:26,969 --> 00:06:28,971 AJ did the best that AJ could. 149 00:06:30,098 --> 00:06:32,016 [JoAnna] There's nothing more to that? 150 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:32,934 No. 151 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:39,190 Have you stayed close with AJ after this experience? 152 00:06:39,273 --> 00:06:40,316 No. 153 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,235 I did not stay close. 154 00:06:42,819 --> 00:06:44,320 I'm sad a little bit though. 155 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:46,114 [Marie] You don't need to be. Do not. 156 00:06:46,197 --> 00:06:49,117 I'm sad we still don't have some type of relationship outside 157 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,702 because I think I was trying to give you space. 158 00:06:51,786 --> 00:06:53,955 Is that what you want, a relationship outside? 159 00:06:54,038 --> 00:06:55,748 -We live down the street. -Be my friend? 160 00:06:55,832 --> 00:06:57,166 Whoa, what's that face, Brit? 161 00:06:57,250 --> 00:06:58,668 No, I'm just like, yeah. 162 00:06:58,751 --> 00:07:01,129 -I said that to you when I saw you last. -[AJ] Mm-hmm. 163 00:07:01,754 --> 00:07:03,798 [JoAnna] Britney, do you have anything to say to Marie 164 00:07:03,881 --> 00:07:05,466 after watching back their trial marriage? 165 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:08,094 Your trial marriage started off beautifully. 166 00:07:08,177 --> 00:07:10,638 I totally understand why you guys chose each other. 167 00:07:10,721 --> 00:07:13,349 I can see where the switch flipped for you. 168 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:15,143 When AJ shared that she saw me 169 00:07:15,226 --> 00:07:17,687 when I was literally losing my freaking mind. 170 00:07:17,770 --> 00:07:21,566 So I think after that, that's where things went downhill for you. 171 00:07:21,649 --> 00:07:24,444 What you shared with me also at some of the cocktail parties is, 172 00:07:24,527 --> 00:07:27,947 like, that you felt like AJ wasn't there for you. Um… 173 00:07:28,489 --> 00:07:31,868 And even when I dug a little deeper and tried to figure out why, 174 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:34,328 it did seem like it was just something that 175 00:07:34,412 --> 00:07:38,541 you maybe were blaming AJ for, when it didn't necessarily stem from her. 176 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:43,421 Britney, watching episodes one to nine 177 00:07:43,504 --> 00:07:50,470 and seeing how much you felt towards the situation 178 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:53,848 that was not nearly as romantic 179 00:07:54,474 --> 00:07:56,726 truly, like, struck something with me 180 00:07:56,809 --> 00:07:59,479 because you were struggling on your own accord 181 00:07:59,562 --> 00:08:02,607 and you had a best friend to get through it. 182 00:08:04,108 --> 00:08:07,612 As you guys saw, me and Marita ended up with each other untraditionally, 183 00:08:07,695 --> 00:08:10,448 what we mentally prepared for, and what the show calls for. 184 00:08:10,531 --> 00:08:13,493 -[Marie] Which I'm so happy worked out. -But are you blaming me for that? 185 00:08:13,576 --> 00:08:16,162 -Of course not. Not at all. -[Britney] That's what it sounds like. 186 00:08:16,245 --> 00:08:17,788 If me and Marita ended up together 187 00:08:17,872 --> 00:08:19,957 and we made the best out of our trial marriage, 188 00:08:20,041 --> 00:08:22,752 what does that have to do with your trial marriage? 189 00:08:22,835 --> 00:08:25,796 [Marie] I'm speaking on the fact that it was a very different experience. 190 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,967 Whereas I saw Mel with Dayna versus AJ seeing you with Marita, 191 00:08:30,051 --> 00:08:31,969 you can't actually see that was different? 192 00:08:32,053 --> 00:08:34,055 -[Britney] I see that it's different. -Okay. 193 00:08:34,138 --> 00:08:34,972 We see that. 194 00:08:35,056 --> 00:08:37,141 The fact that it's different, I will never… 195 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:38,935 Let's say everything was reversed. 196 00:08:39,018 --> 00:08:41,145 I wouldn't be mad at someone else. 197 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:43,898 -Nobody's mad. -[Britney] Then why's it being brought up? 198 00:08:43,981 --> 00:08:47,485 Because it's a conversation. It's a reunion. That's what this is, right? 199 00:08:47,568 --> 00:08:49,904 I was taking my dog out all the time, obviously, 200 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:53,533 and she probably felt abandoned and stuff, and didn't have someone to talk to 201 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:56,619 'cause you two were always together, sneaking around. 202 00:08:56,702 --> 00:08:59,622 -Like, you two were always outside. -Whoa, time out. 203 00:08:59,705 --> 00:09:01,958 -[Ashley] Not being… -[Bridget] You guys owned up to it. 204 00:09:02,041 --> 00:09:05,253 I think what Marie's trying to say, and correct me if I'm wrong. 205 00:09:05,336 --> 00:09:07,880 -I don't want to speak for you. -I'd love to correct you. 206 00:09:07,964 --> 00:09:11,884 I think you're trying to get at the fact that you were continuing to see each other 207 00:09:11,968 --> 00:09:16,055 and so you had each other, in some way, as a support system. 208 00:09:16,138 --> 00:09:19,559 I was very transparent with Marie about everything, 209 00:09:19,642 --> 00:09:22,478 about what was going on and what me and Britney were doing 210 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:24,522 as far as us seeing each other. 211 00:09:24,605 --> 00:09:27,775 Because right now she's my priority as my trial marriage wife, 212 00:09:27,858 --> 00:09:30,111 and I asked and I said, "Are you okay with this?" 213 00:09:30,194 --> 00:09:31,487 Respect is above all. 214 00:09:31,571 --> 00:09:34,991 And if you can truly empathize on that notion, both of you, 215 00:09:35,074 --> 00:09:37,577 as a couple, as a unit, as a Mrs. and Mrs., 216 00:09:37,660 --> 00:09:39,870 if you can truly empathize on that notion, 217 00:09:39,954 --> 00:09:43,207 you will fully, 100% see where I'm coming from. 218 00:09:43,708 --> 00:09:46,752 I think you're holding a grudge or some type of anger or animosity, 219 00:09:46,836 --> 00:09:48,754 whatever that word is, towards us 220 00:09:48,838 --> 00:09:52,925 just because AJ saw me at a time that I was vulnerable and needed her. 221 00:09:53,009 --> 00:09:55,303 When I'm sure you saw Mel. 222 00:09:57,555 --> 00:10:01,517 -Yeah, and she didn't say hi to me. -But that isn't our issue. 223 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:05,271 I understand, but do you empathize as a human to human? 224 00:10:05,354 --> 00:10:06,188 [Britney] Absolutely. 225 00:10:06,272 --> 00:10:08,482 And I'm not holding animosity to it. 226 00:10:08,566 --> 00:10:09,817 [AJ] I hated that for you. 227 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:11,944 Like, truly. Like, that wasn't okay. 228 00:10:12,028 --> 00:10:13,863 I even told Mel that wasn't okay. 229 00:10:13,946 --> 00:10:18,034 I'm just speaking on the fact that it was a very different experience. 230 00:10:18,117 --> 00:10:21,996 I'm not attacking anyone. I'm speaking as clear, concise, 231 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:23,497 empathetic as possible. 232 00:10:23,581 --> 00:10:25,625 I'm trying to be so soft with everybody 233 00:10:25,708 --> 00:10:27,835 because there's a lot in me right now, 234 00:10:27,918 --> 00:10:30,880 which anybody who watched episodes one to nine will understand. 235 00:10:30,963 --> 00:10:32,256 [AJ] Yes. 236 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:35,468 I think what you went through was extremely hard. 237 00:10:35,551 --> 00:10:38,596 If there's anything I could've done, I pray you let me know that 238 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,848 because that's the only way I could truly grow. 239 00:10:40,931 --> 00:10:43,351 No, you did what… like, no. 240 00:10:44,352 --> 00:10:46,437 I'm grateful for what it was. 241 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,525 I learned a lot… throughout that period of time. 242 00:10:51,609 --> 00:10:55,196 But truly, wholeheartedly, I'm happy you guys are happy. 243 00:10:56,113 --> 00:10:57,406 [JoAnna] Okay, well. 244 00:10:58,074 --> 00:10:59,825 So do you guys have a wedding date? 245 00:11:00,493 --> 00:11:02,370 -Not yet. No wedding date. -[JoAnna laughs] 246 00:11:03,954 --> 00:11:06,082 -We think we have a city in mind. -Yes. 247 00:11:06,165 --> 00:11:08,000 -[JoAnna] Destination. Okay. -Yeah. 248 00:11:08,084 --> 00:11:09,502 Got to fly to be out there. 249 00:11:09,585 --> 00:11:11,879 Do they serve oxtail wherever you're going? 250 00:11:11,962 --> 00:11:13,130 -[Britney] Oh, boy. [AJ groans] 251 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:15,132 Probably not. 252 00:11:15,216 --> 00:11:16,967 We've been kind of planning ideas, 253 00:11:17,051 --> 00:11:19,178 but haven't actually made plans. 254 00:11:19,261 --> 00:11:23,057 Well, enjoy that because it is a really magical time in a relationship. 255 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:25,184 -It's fun. I wish you the best. -Thank you. 256 00:11:25,851 --> 00:11:29,146 Okay, let's move on to a couple who decided to go their separate ways. 257 00:11:29,230 --> 00:11:31,148 In a unique twist of events, 258 00:11:31,232 --> 00:11:35,528 the one that issued the Ultimatum ended up not wanting to get engaged in the end. 259 00:11:35,611 --> 00:11:37,279 Ashley and Marita. 260 00:11:37,863 --> 00:11:39,699 Marita, catch us up. 261 00:11:39,782 --> 00:11:42,410 Have you spoken to Ashley since the experience? 262 00:11:42,493 --> 00:11:43,494 [Marita] Yeah. 263 00:11:43,577 --> 00:11:47,248 On decision day when Ashley and I split, 264 00:11:47,957 --> 00:11:51,001 I was heartbroken, and I didn't know what to think. 265 00:11:51,085 --> 00:11:52,753 I didn't know how to feel. 266 00:11:52,837 --> 00:11:58,801 And then when we went back, she was still kind of just using me, 267 00:11:58,884 --> 00:12:03,097 and I kicked her out, and I told her to go back to Indiana. 268 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:06,809 And I did break up with her, and that was in May. 269 00:12:07,393 --> 00:12:10,855 [Ashley] Okay, for context, we never got back together after the show. 270 00:12:10,938 --> 00:12:13,023 She was upset 'cause we didn't leave engaged. 271 00:12:13,774 --> 00:12:16,736 And we went to Key West after that. We had a great time. 272 00:12:16,819 --> 00:12:18,195 Want to know what happened? 273 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,031 -The day after… -I can't even finish my sentences. 274 00:12:21,115 --> 00:12:24,869 …I asked the producers to get me a hotel room because I was heartbroken. 275 00:12:24,952 --> 00:12:29,665 You asked my dad for his blessing, and then the next time I saw you, 276 00:12:29,749 --> 00:12:30,833 you didn't propose to me. 277 00:12:30,916 --> 00:12:33,127 I was heartbroken, Ashley. I was in love with you. 278 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:34,420 Yeah, I mean, same. 279 00:12:34,503 --> 00:12:39,091 -I begged you the past year to be with me. -You packed my car… to go to the Keys. 280 00:12:39,175 --> 00:12:41,427 "Because none of the show mattered." 281 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:42,928 "All of that was for show." 282 00:12:43,012 --> 00:12:45,055 "None of that matters. I still love you." 283 00:12:45,139 --> 00:12:46,932 You know what? That's called gaslighting. 284 00:12:47,016 --> 00:12:49,935 Actually, no. I just didn't let myself be completely myself 285 00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:51,729 because there were cameras around. 286 00:12:51,812 --> 00:12:53,147 And, like, that's just me. 287 00:12:53,230 --> 00:12:56,358 -I don't have this personality to-- -I know the truth behind you. 288 00:12:57,526 --> 00:13:01,614 Let's talk about the fact that my grandfather… was dying. 289 00:13:01,697 --> 00:13:02,990 [Ashley sighs] 290 00:13:03,073 --> 00:13:04,867 I was home in California, 291 00:13:06,368 --> 00:13:07,745 and this one 292 00:13:08,412 --> 00:13:09,622 was cheating on me. 293 00:13:09,705 --> 00:13:11,248 -You guys were together? -No. 294 00:13:11,332 --> 00:13:13,334 -[Marita] Yes, we were. -But she's allowed to date. 295 00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:14,376 If you aren't together… 296 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:16,420 -Let Marita talk. -…she'll do what she wants. 297 00:13:16,504 --> 00:13:17,630 You saying you were together? 298 00:13:17,713 --> 00:13:20,883 You know what? I'm just gonna sit here until you let me talk. 299 00:13:20,966 --> 00:13:23,886 I don't know why you're facilitating this conversation. 300 00:13:23,969 --> 00:13:25,346 It has nothing to do with you. 301 00:13:25,429 --> 00:13:27,598 Were you together with Ashley or no? 302 00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:29,016 Yes. 303 00:13:29,099 --> 00:13:32,269 Do you want to count the times you cheated? I can name five right now. 304 00:13:32,353 --> 00:13:33,187 I've done nothing… 305 00:13:33,270 --> 00:13:35,022 I actually fucking hate you. 306 00:13:35,105 --> 00:13:37,024 -I hope you know that. -[women murmuring] 307 00:13:37,107 --> 00:13:38,943 -I definitely can't. -[woman] Time out. 308 00:13:39,026 --> 00:13:41,695 Yeah, just so you know, my grandma is dying right now. 309 00:13:41,779 --> 00:13:44,740 Yeah, I don't care. Guess what? You didn't care either. 310 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:46,659 -You cheated on me. -[woman] You don't mean that. 311 00:13:46,742 --> 00:13:48,702 All right. Let's settle down, everyone. 312 00:13:48,786 --> 00:13:50,079 -Sorry. -I'm sorry. 313 00:13:50,162 --> 00:13:51,247 Yeah, get out. 314 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:53,123 -[AJ] Marita. -[Ashley] Just rude… 315 00:13:55,709 --> 00:13:58,754 [Ashley sobbing] 316 00:14:00,714 --> 00:14:01,799 [Mel] Come on, let's go. 317 00:14:02,633 --> 00:14:07,471 [Ashley crying] Like, she's literally… I won't even get to say bye to her. 318 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:08,681 [Britney] Check on my baby. 319 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:12,059 -Listen, can I give you a hug, my love? -Yes. 320 00:14:12,142 --> 00:14:14,228 -Thank you. -I love you so much. 321 00:14:15,646 --> 00:14:16,480 I love you. 322 00:14:16,564 --> 00:14:18,858 It's a pressure cooker. You guys are very raw. 323 00:14:18,941 --> 00:14:21,652 I know that things are heated, and everybody has their perspectives. 324 00:14:21,735 --> 00:14:25,197 Even if you don't agree, I really would like to give you 325 00:14:25,281 --> 00:14:27,449 an opportunity to speak your truth, 326 00:14:27,533 --> 00:14:30,369 and I would love to offer Ashley the same thing 327 00:14:30,452 --> 00:14:32,705 when she comes back and when she feels ready. 328 00:14:34,164 --> 00:14:35,332 [Mel whispers] You're not bad. 329 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:36,625 [Ashley sobs] 330 00:14:36,709 --> 00:14:39,295 -I loved her so much. -I know. 331 00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:41,797 I know. You're going through so much right now. 332 00:14:42,298 --> 00:14:43,799 You're going through so much. 333 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:47,094 I'm very sorry about your grandma, grandpa. 334 00:14:47,177 --> 00:14:48,012 Both. 335 00:14:48,095 --> 00:14:49,096 Thanks. 336 00:14:49,179 --> 00:14:53,183 But I'm also sorry about her parents too, and that wasn't nice. 337 00:14:53,267 --> 00:14:54,393 [scoffs] 338 00:14:54,476 --> 00:14:57,062 Sorry I didn't cheat on someone while her grandfather was killed. 339 00:14:57,146 --> 00:14:59,398 [Marie] I'm sorry I didn't cheat on someone either, babe. 340 00:14:59,481 --> 00:15:01,233 I see you. I'm right here. 341 00:15:02,318 --> 00:15:03,319 Let's simmer. 342 00:15:03,986 --> 00:15:05,112 Okay. 343 00:15:11,452 --> 00:15:13,495 -[Mel] You didn't deserve it. -Bro, like… 344 00:15:14,163 --> 00:15:16,040 She literally was so… 345 00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:17,416 [Mel] I know. 346 00:15:17,499 --> 00:15:20,294 I knew she was going to do this, and I didn't do that. 347 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:24,673 [JoAnna] This is a really emotional, intense moment, 348 00:15:24,757 --> 00:15:28,594 and my only hope is that I can just be of service to you all here, 349 00:15:28,677 --> 00:15:31,055 and I do really care about what all of you feel and think. 350 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:37,519 [Marita] I apologize. 351 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:42,358 That was not how I expected everything to go down, and I apologize. 352 00:15:44,026 --> 00:15:47,363 I'm glad you guys are back. Ashley, how are you doing? 353 00:15:47,446 --> 00:15:48,405 Uh… 354 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:50,950 Yeah, I mean, not good. Um… 355 00:15:53,786 --> 00:15:57,206 It hurts to hear Marita scream that 356 00:15:57,289 --> 00:16:00,167 because, like, her and I talked and, like, 357 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:05,297 you know, I owned up on accountability of, like, 358 00:16:05,381 --> 00:16:08,300 where I handled situations wrong in that time, 359 00:16:08,384 --> 00:16:12,012 and it's just, like, crazy to me because I could never, like, 360 00:16:12,096 --> 00:16:13,764 scream that I hate her. 361 00:16:16,141 --> 00:16:18,602 Um… 'Cause I don't. 362 00:16:19,853 --> 00:16:23,065 During those months of not speaking to her and she blocked me, 363 00:16:23,148 --> 00:16:26,652 I was sitting there bawling my eyes about her, but I got to a point 364 00:16:26,735 --> 00:16:29,488 where I started healing, and I started realizing my worth. 365 00:16:29,571 --> 00:16:31,657 And that's why, sitting here right now, 366 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:34,827 yeah, I was nervous this was going to happen because, like, 367 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:37,246 we haven't communicated like adults about it. 368 00:16:38,789 --> 00:16:40,749 [JoAnna] I understand there's a lot of emotions, 369 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:44,461 but let's just take it back to the time in Miami. 370 00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:50,217 And, Marita, I'm just interested to hear what your thoughts were when you heard 371 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:53,679 that Ashley was reversing on giving the Ultimatum. 372 00:16:53,762 --> 00:16:55,806 Like, what did that make you feel? 373 00:16:56,348 --> 00:17:00,227 I didn't know that Bridget, Ashley, and Kyle had that conversation. 374 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:01,228 It did hurt. 375 00:17:01,311 --> 00:17:06,525 I didn't know that you were convincing Ashley to reverse the Ultimatum on me, 376 00:17:07,568 --> 00:17:09,236 and I didn't appreciate that. 377 00:17:09,737 --> 00:17:12,573 And, yeah, I mean, throughout the episodes, 378 00:17:12,656 --> 00:17:16,035 it just kind of seems like you didn't really put in much effort… 379 00:17:18,537 --> 00:17:20,164 and you even said that. 380 00:17:22,207 --> 00:17:23,751 There was no lack of love. 381 00:17:23,834 --> 00:17:26,295 Like, Ashley loved you so much, 382 00:17:26,378 --> 00:17:29,214 and I'm sure she still does, like she's saying now. 383 00:17:29,298 --> 00:17:32,760 And there was no convincing her to reverse an ultimatum. 384 00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:35,846 That was never the case. We talked so often about 385 00:17:35,929 --> 00:17:39,016 where Ashley needed to grow, and where she wanted to grow, 386 00:17:39,099 --> 00:17:40,851 and, like, what she was working on. 387 00:17:40,934 --> 00:17:43,645 The way that I said about reversing the Ultimatum 388 00:17:43,729 --> 00:17:46,023 was because we kind of had a rough first week, 389 00:17:46,106 --> 00:17:47,566 and, like, we were arguing. 390 00:17:47,649 --> 00:17:50,778 There's so many times I cried about, like, the thought of losing you. 391 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:52,696 We had a great relationship. 392 00:17:53,822 --> 00:17:55,324 I still get emotional. 393 00:17:56,909 --> 00:17:58,660 Because it's tough, you know. 394 00:17:59,161 --> 00:18:01,080 It's like I lost my best friend. 395 00:18:04,666 --> 00:18:05,793 I'm sorry. 396 00:18:06,293 --> 00:18:08,087 How does it feel hearing that? 397 00:18:08,837 --> 00:18:10,714 [Marita] I mean, I agree. 398 00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:13,967 I'll never forget the relationship that we had. 399 00:18:14,051 --> 00:18:18,347 I think that… there are a lot of highlights, 400 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:23,102 and I was absolutely fully in love with you. 401 00:18:25,145 --> 00:18:25,979 [sniffles] 402 00:18:27,314 --> 00:18:31,193 Do you think there's any chance of a reconciliation? 403 00:18:31,902 --> 00:18:36,240 I mean, I eventually, like, hope so and, like, hope, like, we could talk. 404 00:18:38,158 --> 00:18:40,661 I'll be honest. Like, I do think about her a lot. 405 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:45,791 She is someone that, like, you know, I'm always going to care for. 406 00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:50,420 I mean, I think for me, like, it's going to take time, 407 00:18:50,504 --> 00:18:53,215 given, like, how we ended, 408 00:18:54,216 --> 00:18:56,969 'cause truly, what you did to me, 409 00:18:57,052 --> 00:18:59,513 it's heart… It's heartbreaking. 410 00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:02,558 [JoAnna] Well, thank you so much for sharing. 411 00:19:02,641 --> 00:19:05,686 I'm glad that you at least got to say some things today that 412 00:19:05,769 --> 00:19:08,730 hopefully led to some healing… 413 00:19:09,439 --> 00:19:11,733 -Yeah. -…or understanding each other better. 414 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:13,944 Okay. 415 00:19:14,945 --> 00:19:17,406 Let's move on to Mel and Marie. 416 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,534 I can't help but state the obvious. 417 00:19:20,617 --> 00:19:23,495 You guys are on different sides of the room. 418 00:19:23,579 --> 00:19:24,872 You're not sitting together, 419 00:19:24,955 --> 00:19:27,457 and that's a really big shift from where we left you. 420 00:19:27,541 --> 00:19:30,836 So, Mel, can you share the status of your relationship with Marie? 421 00:19:31,336 --> 00:19:33,380 "With Marie" is nonexistent. 422 00:19:35,883 --> 00:19:36,717 Period. 423 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:37,885 [JoAnna] What happened? 424 00:19:38,468 --> 00:19:40,554 Before we get into that, I have a question. 425 00:19:41,138 --> 00:19:41,972 Dayna. 426 00:19:43,849 --> 00:19:45,934 We had very full-length conversations 427 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:48,270 about how you thought Mel was invaluable to you. 428 00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:51,273 -[Dayna] Yeah. -Did you and Mel hook up 429 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:55,360 before sitting next to me and talking to me? 430 00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:01,033 Yeah, we had kissed by the time that we had a cocktail party. 431 00:20:01,116 --> 00:20:02,242 And more than that? 432 00:20:02,743 --> 00:20:06,163 After the first cocktail party would've been where something more happened. 433 00:20:06,246 --> 00:20:07,456 After the cocktail party. 434 00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:09,708 It was hard to even watch myself. 435 00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:14,755 Like, seeing your pain was really, like, genuinely so hard to see, 436 00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:18,926 and, like, the guilt that… I feel 437 00:20:19,009 --> 00:20:22,137 just, like, not sharing that with you… 438 00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:24,973 I guess, in that moment, I justified. 439 00:20:26,016 --> 00:20:29,228 I guess I justified that it wasn't my place, 440 00:20:29,311 --> 00:20:33,065 and I think that it was delusional at the time to think that 441 00:20:33,148 --> 00:20:35,025 with everything that had happened, 442 00:20:35,108 --> 00:20:40,197 that there was an appropriate point of having a friendship, 443 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,823 and it wasn't fair to you. 444 00:20:41,907 --> 00:20:43,700 I'm so sorry. 445 00:20:44,284 --> 00:20:45,118 Okay. 446 00:20:46,161 --> 00:20:47,412 Please, continue. 447 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,082 I don't know what we were talking about. 448 00:20:50,165 --> 00:20:52,292 [Marie] The question was what happened with us. 449 00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:54,419 -You don't want to be with me anymore. -Mm. 450 00:20:56,171 --> 00:20:57,047 [JoAnna] Is that true? 451 00:20:58,215 --> 00:20:59,925 [Marie] I mean, I broke up with her. 452 00:21:00,008 --> 00:21:02,844 Ironically enough, before the episodes aired. 453 00:21:04,012 --> 00:21:06,056 How embarrassing would that have been? 454 00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:07,391 [JoAnna] When did you break up? 455 00:21:07,474 --> 00:21:11,311 A couple months after… we came back home. 456 00:21:11,979 --> 00:21:15,691 I started trying to do things a little bit more individual. 457 00:21:15,774 --> 00:21:18,402 Just, I kind of set boundaries a little bit more. 458 00:21:18,485 --> 00:21:24,032 I didn't want to do food truck as much as I needed to. 459 00:21:25,325 --> 00:21:28,495 I know the person who I had said yes to 460 00:21:28,578 --> 00:21:30,414 was very hesitant on many different reasons. 461 00:21:30,497 --> 00:21:32,916 Did you really think I didn't know that you couldn't have kids? 462 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,042 Mm-hmm. 463 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:35,794 Like, really? 464 00:21:35,877 --> 00:21:37,087 Okay. 465 00:21:37,754 --> 00:21:40,507 [Marie] I've known you for, like, your whole life. [laughs] 466 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:41,425 [Mel] What else? 467 00:21:41,508 --> 00:21:45,470 When you found out that you had lupus, you think I didn't do deep-dive research? 468 00:21:45,554 --> 00:21:47,764 -Where did all the lupus books go? -[Mel] Give me more. 469 00:21:47,848 --> 00:21:49,474 What else did you know? 470 00:21:50,267 --> 00:21:52,311 This isn't a jab, Mel. It's a conversation. 471 00:21:52,394 --> 00:21:53,520 [Mel] I'm speaking. 472 00:21:54,187 --> 00:21:56,231 Really? Because it sounds like you're jabbing. 473 00:21:56,815 --> 00:21:58,233 This is how I speak. Did you forget? 474 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:00,152 [Marie] Can't answer a question with a question. 475 00:22:00,235 --> 00:22:01,153 [Mel] Okay. 476 00:22:01,236 --> 00:22:02,612 [Marie] Now that I'm triggered, 477 00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:06,116 what is up with those Brussels sprouts? Why would you make those? 478 00:22:06,199 --> 00:22:08,327 Why are you so triggered about that? 479 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:10,871 -Dayna, did you like the Brussels sprouts? -[Mel sighs] 480 00:22:10,954 --> 00:22:13,874 [Dayna] Marie, I promise I don't understand the relevance. 481 00:22:13,957 --> 00:22:15,834 -[Marie] Did you watch the episodes? -Yeah, but-- 482 00:22:15,917 --> 00:22:17,961 She made you Brussels sprouts. You remember them? 483 00:22:18,045 --> 00:22:19,880 -Yeah, but I don't-- -I know you don't. 484 00:22:19,963 --> 00:22:21,965 I'm gonna explain it to you. Did you like them? 485 00:22:22,049 --> 00:22:23,050 Yeah. 486 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,219 Marie, come on. Like, stop doing this. 487 00:22:26,303 --> 00:22:29,056 [Mel] It's the most asinine things that you're like… 488 00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:30,265 [Marie] It's not asinine. 489 00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:33,226 -It's asinine? Are you serious? -Brussels sprouts, bro. 490 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,020 Who taught you how to make those? 491 00:22:35,103 --> 00:22:37,481 -You didn't teach me anything. -[Marie] Crazy. 492 00:22:37,564 --> 00:22:39,483 -[Mel] So that's funny. -That's cute. 493 00:22:41,735 --> 00:22:43,779 Who's running the food truck business now? 494 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:46,281 This guy. 495 00:22:47,657 --> 00:22:49,534 Which will do well. 496 00:22:50,869 --> 00:22:52,371 -Thanks. -[Marie] You don't need me. 497 00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:54,664 But I do want to touch a little bit on Haley. 498 00:22:54,748 --> 00:22:58,710 At one of the cocktail parties, you had a conversation with Marie, 499 00:22:58,794 --> 00:23:02,089 um, sharing with her that Dayna and Mel 500 00:23:02,172 --> 00:23:04,466 were a little bit more romantically inclined, 501 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:06,259 and that you had some receipts. 502 00:23:06,343 --> 00:23:10,555 So I'm wondering, is the Spotify playlist the receipt? 503 00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:11,681 [Haley] Yes. Yeah. 504 00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:12,599 [JoAnna] Okay. 505 00:23:12,682 --> 00:23:16,645 Let's take a look at the investigation behind the alleged proof. 506 00:23:18,897 --> 00:23:23,026 Both of your accounts opened up, and all there's been was sex playlists. 507 00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:25,404 [Bridget] Like a sex playlist? 508 00:23:25,487 --> 00:23:30,158 -I don't know what kind of proof that is. -How did their Spotify end up on their TV? 509 00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:35,580 It's a shared private playlist only shared between Mel and Dayna 510 00:23:35,664 --> 00:23:41,336 called "Three Weeks" with a rainbow emoji and a ring emoji. 511 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:44,714 I don't think that's proof. Like, there's probably good songs on there. 512 00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:46,800 Maybe they just wanted to listen to them. 513 00:23:46,883 --> 00:23:51,388 The playlist does have some horny songs, and they are being played 514 00:23:51,471 --> 00:23:54,182 at suspicious times of the night. 515 00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:57,894 There's no way you're cleaning your house listening to some boom-boom music. 516 00:23:57,978 --> 00:24:00,480 [Dayna] Why is this relevant? It's a playlist. Be for real. 517 00:24:00,564 --> 00:24:05,277 You're talking about a goddamn playlist. Please just simmer down. Honestly. 518 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:06,820 Do you have a sex playlist? 519 00:24:08,488 --> 00:24:11,241 -So you have one? -Absolutely. You need a sex playlist. 520 00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:14,661 Dayna was like, "Magan's wanted me to get Spotify for so long 521 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:17,080 and I'm not gonna," but then she got it for me. 522 00:24:17,164 --> 00:24:19,082 -So I was kind of like, sorry. -Damn. 523 00:24:19,624 --> 00:24:20,459 [laughs] 524 00:24:21,418 --> 00:24:23,086 -It's all good. -Jesus Christ. 525 00:24:23,628 --> 00:24:27,424 -[woman] I wanna know about this playlist. -I'm glad I'm single. I'm gonna say that. 526 00:24:27,507 --> 00:24:30,552 -[woman] I want to hear it. -There was not one sex song. 527 00:24:30,635 --> 00:24:33,221 Yeah, that would be a very sad sex playlist. 528 00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:34,473 [Dayna] It was the saddest… 529 00:24:34,556 --> 00:24:36,516 If that's a sex playlist, it was the saddest ever, 530 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,977 because they were all heartbreak songs, love songs. 531 00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:40,520 Like, it was not… 532 00:24:40,604 --> 00:24:43,523 There was not one song of that nature on there. 533 00:24:43,607 --> 00:24:46,151 [Dayna] I think to go to the extent to say a playlist is proof 534 00:24:46,234 --> 00:24:48,320 that people are doing things… 535 00:24:48,403 --> 00:24:50,989 One, wasn't your place. Two, is insane. 536 00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:54,117 Like, you should have just minded your business that pays you. 537 00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:57,037 Were you or were you not doing things though? 538 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,623 Magan was the one that called it proof initially. 539 00:24:59,706 --> 00:25:01,374 It was probably the wrong word for it. 540 00:25:01,458 --> 00:25:05,837 And I should not have reiterated the words "proof," "receipts," whatever. 541 00:25:05,921 --> 00:25:07,964 Doesn't… it… That's not what it was. 542 00:25:08,048 --> 00:25:11,218 You didn't say a word at the party about what was going on between you. 543 00:25:11,301 --> 00:25:13,678 Even though everyone knew, you didn't say anything. 544 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:15,805 -I know you didn't either. -I did tell Pilar. 545 00:25:15,889 --> 00:25:18,975 Well, good for you, but that wouldn't have been anyone else's place. 546 00:25:19,059 --> 00:25:21,811 -So-- -But I think if I have suspicions of it, 547 00:25:21,895 --> 00:25:24,564 I think that it is my place to tell my friend… 548 00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:26,274 -Agree. -…my suspicions. 549 00:25:26,983 --> 00:25:29,110 [Marie] I don't think it's fair for Haley. 550 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,154 Because whatever the case may be, 551 00:25:32,322 --> 00:25:33,573 something did happen. 552 00:25:33,657 --> 00:25:34,658 -Fair. -[Marie] Period. 553 00:25:36,326 --> 00:25:38,703 Okay, seeing that cocktail party back, 554 00:25:38,787 --> 00:25:42,332 Haley didn't blankly say that Mel and Dayna had sex. 555 00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:46,753 I know that we can all define sex differently. 556 00:25:46,836 --> 00:25:51,424 So, let's take a look at what some of you consider sex to be. 557 00:25:51,508 --> 00:25:52,717 -Oh, God. -Oh, Jesus. 558 00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:57,013 People define sex between couples differently. 559 00:25:57,097 --> 00:25:59,349 Sexual cuddling. 560 00:25:59,432 --> 00:26:00,600 That might be sex. 561 00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:04,688 If you ask like a hetero couple, it's like, well, you know, like, you know? 562 00:26:04,771 --> 00:26:05,897 That's it. 563 00:26:07,607 --> 00:26:12,362 But with lesbians and queer people, there's just such a broad way to say sex. 564 00:26:12,445 --> 00:26:14,322 -Let me tell you. -[laughing] 565 00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:17,701 If you twiddle her pussy, guess what, that might be sex to one group, right? 566 00:26:18,493 --> 00:26:20,161 You eat me, I eat you. 567 00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:21,955 Done. Good night. 568 00:26:22,455 --> 00:26:24,249 Penetration of any sorts. 569 00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:28,086 If you shove, like, any object in her, that might be sex. 570 00:26:28,169 --> 00:26:30,547 You like a five-dollar Footlong or a ten-inch dick? 571 00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:31,840 -I don't know. -[Marie] Stop it. 572 00:26:32,465 --> 00:26:34,593 You have to use your mouth, your fingers. 573 00:26:34,676 --> 00:26:38,138 It has to be every part that you can use. 574 00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:40,557 I'm trying not to be too, like, graphic. 575 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,020 I define sex as, like, oral pleasure. 576 00:26:45,937 --> 00:26:46,980 [laughing] 577 00:26:48,064 --> 00:26:50,817 Me and Mel, we did not have sex in that way. 578 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,069 We didn't finger each other. Anything like that. 579 00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:55,780 [both laughing] 580 00:26:55,864 --> 00:26:58,283 Sex looks different for everybody. So… 581 00:26:58,825 --> 00:27:01,494 What you deem as sex, I might not deem as sex. 582 00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:03,788 Oh, God, don't say that. 583 00:27:04,497 --> 00:27:05,332 Touching. 584 00:27:05,415 --> 00:27:06,541 That's intimacy. 585 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:07,626 Period. 586 00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:12,005 Next thing you know, she lied off of a technicality on what sex means. 587 00:27:15,050 --> 00:27:16,593 [laughing] 588 00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:20,555 So, Mel, by definition, did you have sex with Dayna? 589 00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:25,143 By whose definition? 590 00:27:25,226 --> 00:27:26,519 Your definition. 591 00:27:26,603 --> 00:27:27,520 [Mel laughs] 592 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:32,525 It's honestly no one's business. 593 00:27:32,609 --> 00:27:36,738 And I'm tired of, like, people thinking it's their business. 594 00:27:36,821 --> 00:27:38,114 This is between me and Mel 595 00:27:38,198 --> 00:27:41,409 and whoever we share our personal lives with. 596 00:27:41,493 --> 00:27:43,286 We did not have sex. I will leave it at that. 597 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:44,663 Things happened between us. 598 00:27:44,746 --> 00:27:47,040 If they would like to get into it, they're welcome. 599 00:27:47,123 --> 00:27:49,167 Me and Magan have had our own conversations. 600 00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:51,044 Everyone else, mind your fucking business. 601 00:27:52,629 --> 00:27:53,463 [JoAnna] Okay. 602 00:27:53,963 --> 00:27:56,216 Mel, during your trial marriage with Dayna, 603 00:27:56,299 --> 00:28:00,595 Marie did confront you in the car asking you if you had sex with Dayna. 604 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:02,389 So let's clear the air here. 605 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,642 Do you feel like you lied to her in that moment? 606 00:28:06,643 --> 00:28:10,939 Um, I felt like by not telling her anything intimate at all happened, 607 00:28:11,022 --> 00:28:12,023 yes, I lied. 608 00:28:12,607 --> 00:28:16,152 But I think that if we're going off of, you know, 609 00:28:16,236 --> 00:28:20,198 exactly what we just spoke about and technicality of all this and all that, 610 00:28:20,281 --> 00:28:21,157 then no. 611 00:28:21,241 --> 00:28:25,036 So I was using, like, I'm not going to say a loophole, 612 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:29,374 but, like, no, we didn't have sex because we hadn't gone to that extent. 613 00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:34,713 But to not say that anything other than, like, you know, whatever happened, 614 00:28:34,796 --> 00:28:35,714 then yes. 615 00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:40,510 Magan, we saw that you had a hard time processing 616 00:28:40,593 --> 00:28:43,722 what was going on during Dayna and Mel's trial marriage. 617 00:28:43,805 --> 00:28:45,598 -[Magan] Yeah. -Watching everything back now, 618 00:28:45,682 --> 00:28:46,766 how are you feeling? 619 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:50,228 I mean, if I'm being completely honest, 620 00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:52,439 like, when Dayna and I come together, 621 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:55,483 we have, like, a certain type of energy together. 622 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:58,778 And when her and Mel came together, 623 00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:00,697 they had their own type of energy. 624 00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:03,742 I also exhibited a different energy 625 00:29:03,825 --> 00:29:05,994 than what Dayna and I have with Haley. 626 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:08,621 And we both leaned into it. 627 00:29:09,122 --> 00:29:11,416 Now we're just understanding how to be better partners 628 00:29:11,499 --> 00:29:14,586 and really just understand what we need individually. 629 00:29:14,669 --> 00:29:15,920 Yeah, I love that. 630 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:21,634 Okay, Mel, have you reached out to Dayna since Ultimatum Day? 631 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:24,763 I have not. 632 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,682 She had reached out to me. 633 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,518 Dayna, what did you reach out to Mel about? 634 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:33,229 I actually tried to FaceTime her because I'm a FaceTimer. 635 00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,482 So I tried to FaceTime her, she didn't answer. 636 00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:37,734 So I just sent her a message instead. 637 00:29:37,817 --> 00:29:39,861 She ghosted me for, like, two months. [laughs] 638 00:29:40,987 --> 00:29:43,281 I think about two months later, she reached out like, 639 00:29:43,364 --> 00:29:45,909 "Hey, got your message, appreciate it." 640 00:29:45,992 --> 00:29:46,868 "We're cool." 641 00:29:46,951 --> 00:29:50,288 And that was that, really. Yeah. 642 00:29:50,371 --> 00:29:52,791 You guys got matching tattoos during the process. 643 00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:53,708 Yeah. 644 00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:56,419 What do those mean to you now? 645 00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:58,963 [Dayna] The thought behind it when we got the tattoos 646 00:29:59,047 --> 00:30:02,592 was, like, there's potentially going to be a big chance 647 00:30:02,675 --> 00:30:04,928 we aren't going to be in each other's lives after this. 648 00:30:05,011 --> 00:30:08,556 So I think when it came to the tattoo, it was like, 649 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,809 well, at least we'll have this thing. 650 00:30:10,892 --> 00:30:12,852 Anyone who was in here and had a connection 651 00:30:12,936 --> 00:30:16,523 with their trial partner can understand. It is a very deep connection. 652 00:30:17,357 --> 00:30:20,151 So for me, that's where, like, the value stood in the tattoo. 653 00:30:20,735 --> 00:30:23,363 I didn't need to get a tattoo. We could have got a henna. 654 00:30:23,446 --> 00:30:24,531 [woman] Yeah. [laughing] 655 00:30:24,614 --> 00:30:27,116 But I think the intention behind it, I don't regret. 656 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,870 And I don't, like, take back the idea 657 00:30:30,954 --> 00:30:35,959 of having, like, a meaningful, symbolic representation. 658 00:30:36,042 --> 00:30:38,795 I felt like at points, like, with Dayna, it would be like, 659 00:30:38,878 --> 00:30:40,255 well, who can be stupider? 660 00:30:40,338 --> 00:30:42,090 Like, who can make the worst decision? 661 00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:44,968 Then we're both just kind of like, "Okay, let's go with it." 662 00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:48,972 There was a point where we were like, we'll make dumb decisions and regret it. 663 00:30:49,055 --> 00:30:52,350 And it was just like, why would we think that's, like, a good idea? 664 00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:53,810 So, I don't know. 665 00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:55,770 We constantly said we were very similar. 666 00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:59,148 And I think that that was, like, the epitome of, like, 667 00:30:59,232 --> 00:31:01,901 not the bad sides of us, but just the irresponsible sides of us 668 00:31:01,985 --> 00:31:04,612 that were just, like, hyping each other up all the time. 669 00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:08,700 [JoAnna] Marie, is there anything left that you want to say to Mel? 670 00:31:08,783 --> 00:31:09,659 No. 671 00:31:11,995 --> 00:31:14,080 Mel, anything to Marie? 672 00:31:16,291 --> 00:31:17,333 No. 673 00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:18,376 [JoAnna] Okay. 674 00:31:18,459 --> 00:31:21,546 Thank you both for sharing with us today. 675 00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:25,383 The Ultimatum is no doubt a real test. 676 00:31:25,466 --> 00:31:28,303 And this season, as each of you faced its challenges, 677 00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:33,016 there seemed to be one common place for comfort that you all had. [giggles] 678 00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:36,769 And that was the love that you had for your fur babies. 679 00:31:37,353 --> 00:31:38,771 Let's take a look. 680 00:31:38,855 --> 00:31:40,732 -[Bridget] Is Bentley gay? -I think he is. 681 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:43,902 -[Bridget] Like mother, like son. -[both laughing] 682 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:48,990 Whoever I end up with is going to have to accept him basically as my child. 683 00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:51,576 [Marita] She just, like, gives him more attention. 684 00:31:51,659 --> 00:31:53,494 I'm like, "I'm here too." 685 00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:57,123 If she's taking away, like, my blanket and giving it to him, 686 00:31:57,707 --> 00:31:59,125 that means I'm cold. 687 00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:02,962 My son, Bello, my bunny. 688 00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:04,422 Bello! 689 00:32:04,505 --> 00:32:05,715 We are a package deal. 690 00:32:05,798 --> 00:32:08,092 You're getting a little manicure. 691 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,720 He's definitely a certified lover bunny. 692 00:32:11,846 --> 00:32:13,681 My cats are very important to me. 693 00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:14,807 Beth! 694 00:32:15,808 --> 00:32:17,769 [Dayna] I hate when you say it like that. 695 00:32:17,852 --> 00:32:19,771 She's very obsessed with her cats. 696 00:32:19,854 --> 00:32:21,981 But, like, honestly, it's very cute. 697 00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:23,900 Don't get jealous of our love. 698 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:25,860 Duke, give me a pound. 699 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:27,612 Besides my dad and my brother, 700 00:32:27,695 --> 00:32:30,490 like, he's like the third man I've ever loved in my life. 701 00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:32,742 Doesn't he look handsome? 702 00:32:32,825 --> 00:32:33,952 Hello. 703 00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:37,664 I have cats, which I know maybe doesn't mean anything to many people, 704 00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:39,123 but I have a family. 705 00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:42,585 Maybe it's not the same thing, but family really is what you make of it. 706 00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:45,129 [AJ] Having Duke here, it'll be an interesting dynamic 707 00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:46,923 to see him live with cats. 708 00:32:47,006 --> 00:32:48,216 [Marie] Hi! 709 00:32:48,758 --> 00:32:50,176 -[cat yowls] -Whoa, whoa, whoa! 710 00:32:50,259 --> 00:32:51,844 -[dog whimpers] -Okay, stop. 711 00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:53,388 [AJ] What was you thinking? 712 00:32:53,471 --> 00:32:57,558 The number one gay rule in life is pussy always wins. 713 00:32:57,642 --> 00:32:59,268 [all laughing] 714 00:32:59,894 --> 00:33:03,022 [JoAnna] Okay, let's move on to a couple that brings their own distinct flavor 715 00:33:03,106 --> 00:33:06,025 to everything they do, and their love story is no exception. 716 00:33:06,109 --> 00:33:08,444 Kyle and Bridget. Give us an update. 717 00:33:08,528 --> 00:33:09,654 How are you guys doing? 718 00:33:09,737 --> 00:33:10,655 I'm pregnant. 719 00:33:10,738 --> 00:33:11,906 [all laughing] 720 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:13,992 Just kidding. We can't afford that. 721 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:15,827 -We're good. -We're engaged. 722 00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:17,286 We're living together. 723 00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:18,663 How has that been? 724 00:33:18,746 --> 00:33:19,664 [Bridget] It's great. 725 00:33:19,747 --> 00:33:24,460 I mean, I think I was hesitant just because, like, things were so good, 726 00:33:24,544 --> 00:33:26,504 and I didn't want to mess up a good thing. 727 00:33:26,587 --> 00:33:32,468 And I think I've moved fast in the past, and so with our relationship, I mean… 728 00:33:32,552 --> 00:33:34,595 We got together quickly, but, like, 729 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:38,016 I felt like we waited until we were desperate to live together. 730 00:33:38,099 --> 00:33:39,976 -I think that's how it should be. -Yeah. 731 00:33:40,059 --> 00:33:42,311 What are some things you learned about each other 732 00:33:42,395 --> 00:33:45,523 now that you're living together that you love, maybe don't love? 733 00:33:45,606 --> 00:33:46,899 Like, what is it? 734 00:33:46,983 --> 00:33:49,652 I think we're both pretty type B. 735 00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:51,195 Yeah, we're very similar. 736 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:52,864 Yeah, and, like… 737 00:33:52,947 --> 00:33:54,741 -Kind of a mess. -It could be a mess. 738 00:33:54,824 --> 00:33:56,451 Bridget's, like, really not… 739 00:33:56,534 --> 00:33:58,453 She leaves things out a lot, so it's just… 740 00:33:58,536 --> 00:34:01,539 It's hard when, like, no one is, like, the one that's like, 741 00:34:01,622 --> 00:34:02,498 "We need to clean." 742 00:34:02,582 --> 00:34:04,876 We, like, plan cleaning, and then we, like, don't, 743 00:34:04,959 --> 00:34:07,837 and it's just, like, I'll find Bridget, like, laying on the bed. 744 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,922 "You're supposed to be putting clothes away." 745 00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:11,299 I'm supposed to be cleaning. 746 00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:12,925 -Yeah. -Um… 747 00:34:13,009 --> 00:34:16,012 -[Kyle] I'm cooking for her. -There you go. We talked about that. 748 00:34:16,095 --> 00:34:18,431 -Pilar talked about that. -[Bridget] Sharing a life together. 749 00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:20,475 -Yeah. -Like, every Sunday, we switch off. 750 00:34:20,558 --> 00:34:23,603 Like, one of us cooks, reconnect, talk about the week. 751 00:34:23,686 --> 00:34:26,856 But it's just made me love and appreciate Bridget more. 752 00:34:26,939 --> 00:34:29,233 She's just, like, such a bizarre person. 753 00:34:29,317 --> 00:34:30,943 -She's, like… -[all laughing] 754 00:34:31,027 --> 00:34:32,320 We have crows that come, 755 00:34:32,403 --> 00:34:35,198 so she's trying to entice them onto our patio. 756 00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:36,783 They like cashews better than peanuts. 757 00:34:36,866 --> 00:34:39,994 And I'll just watch her outside, just, like, looking for the birds. 758 00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:41,204 The crow lady. 759 00:34:41,287 --> 00:34:43,748 This might be one of my favorite things about you. 760 00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:45,958 Yeah, I had the best time living with Bridget. 761 00:34:46,042 --> 00:34:47,376 Like, Bridget's hilarious. 762 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:48,628 She's so funny. 763 00:34:48,711 --> 00:34:51,422 -There's no boredom, so that's good. -[JoAnna] That's huge. 764 00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:55,134 So you mentioned that you didn't think that it was going to feel any different. 765 00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:57,720 Does it feel different being engaged? 766 00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:01,140 Our relationship is different, just after going through the show. 767 00:35:01,224 --> 00:35:04,310 -Yeah. -I think our love is deeper in a way 768 00:35:04,393 --> 00:35:07,730 because we've had to, like, navigate new challenges. 769 00:35:07,814 --> 00:35:08,815 Yeah. 770 00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:13,820 What was the turning point for you to make you want to take the next step? 771 00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:16,280 My whole thing is that marriage, to me, 772 00:35:16,364 --> 00:35:18,783 I didn't really understand what the big deal was 773 00:35:18,866 --> 00:35:21,160 or, like, why anybody needs to do it. 774 00:35:21,244 --> 00:35:22,745 That's why I wanted my trial marriage 775 00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:25,331 to be about learning how people feel about marriage. 776 00:35:25,414 --> 00:35:27,083 And maybe then I can understand it. 777 00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:29,585 And it did help, but I think, ultimately, 778 00:35:30,169 --> 00:35:33,297 this is a thing that matters a lot to the person that I love 779 00:35:33,381 --> 00:35:35,758 that I want to spend my life with. 780 00:35:35,842 --> 00:35:40,096 So, like, why am I… not embracing that? 781 00:35:40,179 --> 00:35:43,432 Do you have any regrets about pushing Pilar towards Kyle? 782 00:35:45,601 --> 00:35:49,981 I don't. I think Kyle is such a special person, 783 00:35:50,064 --> 00:35:53,734 and I really wanted her to have a trial marriage with somebody 784 00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:58,322 that I thought understood who she was and valued who she was. 785 00:35:58,406 --> 00:36:02,326 And this being our first secure relationship, 786 00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:05,371 I wanted Kyle to experience that with somebody else 787 00:36:05,454 --> 00:36:07,957 so that I could have the confidence that it was me. 788 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,710 I wasn't setting anything up. They were going to choose each other. 789 00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,587 We were just talking about it. 790 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:16,257 -You didn't have to choose someone for me. -Yeah, that's not what was happening. 791 00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:19,594 Kyle, your parents, especially your mom, they were such a joy to watch, 792 00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:22,263 and, um, they radiated so much warmth and love. 793 00:36:22,346 --> 00:36:26,517 And in what ways has your mom shaped your view of love and marriage? 794 00:36:26,601 --> 00:36:29,979 My parents, they, like, respect each other so much. 795 00:36:30,062 --> 00:36:32,648 My mom is obviously, like, the one that shines, 796 00:36:32,732 --> 00:36:34,901 but my dad… is, like… 797 00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:36,777 I can tell he's so proud of her, 798 00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:39,238 and just, like, so happy to be with her. 799 00:36:39,322 --> 00:36:40,615 And they're both funny. 800 00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:43,492 Yeah, they're both funny, and they have fun together 801 00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:47,121 and just, like, don't take things too seriously. 802 00:36:47,747 --> 00:36:50,791 Well, let's actually take a look at some additional words of wisdom 803 00:36:50,875 --> 00:36:52,668 from Kyle's mom. 804 00:36:52,752 --> 00:36:56,505 I have constantly been thankful for Bridget 805 00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:59,133 to be in Kyle's life. 806 00:36:59,759 --> 00:37:05,348 We know that they are better than if they were apart. 807 00:37:11,687 --> 00:37:14,273 Just like the Wicked song, 808 00:37:15,024 --> 00:37:20,071 "Because I knew you, I have been changed for good." 809 00:37:21,864 --> 00:37:23,407 Love each other. 810 00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:28,454 Notice the fantastic things about each other. 811 00:37:28,537 --> 00:37:29,997 Have grace for each other. 812 00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:34,335 And make this world a better place. 813 00:37:34,418 --> 00:37:36,045 [laughs] 814 00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:38,005 That was cliché. 815 00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:41,509 And that is my major advice. 816 00:37:41,592 --> 00:37:43,844 -[woman] She's so cute. -Go, Mom. 817 00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:45,596 What a sweetheart. So sweet. 818 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,847 Stealing our hearts. 819 00:37:46,931 --> 00:37:50,184 [Pilar] The conversation that we had, I'll always hold that in my heart. 820 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:53,437 With my parents, I feel like I was always picturing a certain, like, 821 00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:57,775 a conversation, a realization, like a big, like, apology, like a cry. 822 00:37:57,858 --> 00:38:01,195 And I realized I can only control me. 823 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:03,572 Maybe that'll never come, or maybe it will come, 824 00:38:03,656 --> 00:38:05,616 but, like, I can also forgive and move on. 825 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,703 I was like, "Damn, that's so simple when you say it like that." 826 00:38:08,786 --> 00:38:11,622 That was a really, like, turning and pivotal point for me. 827 00:38:11,706 --> 00:38:15,376 Just watching what you went through, it's really an inspiration. 828 00:38:15,459 --> 00:38:16,752 I know it wasn't easy, 829 00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:18,754 but it's incredible to see where you are now. 830 00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:20,214 And I see that ring. 831 00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:21,841 [laughs] Yes, it's so beautiful. 832 00:38:21,924 --> 00:38:23,134 But give us an update. 833 00:38:23,217 --> 00:38:26,595 -Where do things stand between you two? -It's been really good. 834 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:31,058 I told Pilar once we left… She was dying to get a ring on her finger also. 835 00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:33,561 And so I told her within the next year, 836 00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:36,981 I would make sure that I made it a priority to get down on one knee. 837 00:38:37,064 --> 00:38:38,774 And I did it less than a month later. 838 00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:40,067 [women] Aw. 839 00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:41,777 Do we have a wedding date? 840 00:38:41,861 --> 00:38:43,904 So we don't have a wedding date. 841 00:38:43,988 --> 00:38:47,408 But one thing that we have started is planning for an elopement. 842 00:38:47,491 --> 00:38:51,120 And that just kind of comes down to, like, the place and the world 843 00:38:51,203 --> 00:38:53,664 that we're living in right now. Um… 844 00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:57,084 I just kind of can't wait to have that kind of security. 845 00:38:57,168 --> 00:39:00,004 Wherever we go, hopefully, I guess not everywhere, 846 00:39:00,087 --> 00:39:03,007 -but you and your partner are safe. -[JoAnna] Yeah. 847 00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:06,427 We started our guest wedding list. We got stressed out. We're like, 848 00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:09,180 "We're gonna put a pause on this." But yeah, we're really excited. 849 00:39:09,263 --> 00:39:10,723 I better be on it. 850 00:39:10,806 --> 00:39:12,224 -Of course. -Of course. 851 00:39:12,308 --> 00:39:15,061 So I know family is a big thing for you, Pilar. 852 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:18,105 Have you been able to share your engagement with them? 853 00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:19,148 Yeah. 854 00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:20,358 It was definitely hard, 855 00:39:20,441 --> 00:39:23,611 but I think the biggest thing through this experience 856 00:39:23,694 --> 00:39:26,655 was really me letting go of, like, my attachment 857 00:39:26,739 --> 00:39:29,200 of my self-worth to their acceptance. 858 00:39:29,283 --> 00:39:32,161 Although it's not exactly the happy ending 859 00:39:32,244 --> 00:39:34,830 or full-circle moment that I was hoping to give, 860 00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:40,086 I feel like, in standing up for myself and having hard conversations with my parents, 861 00:39:40,169 --> 00:39:44,131 it's led to doors being opened that I never thought would be opened. 862 00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:46,634 I don't know what the wedding is going to look like exactly, 863 00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:49,845 but for the first time, I feel so free and happy and just, like, 864 00:39:49,929 --> 00:39:54,058 us and our love is, like, enough, and I don't need anything more than that. 865 00:39:54,141 --> 00:39:57,186 I totally understand where you're coming from with your family. 866 00:39:57,269 --> 00:39:59,980 Like, even though my family is coming around now, 867 00:40:00,064 --> 00:40:03,401 it took so many years for them to even, like… 868 00:40:05,027 --> 00:40:08,364 like, keep in their brain that, like, I was gay 869 00:40:08,447 --> 00:40:10,032 and I wanted to be with a woman. 870 00:40:10,116 --> 00:40:13,244 And, like, it was so push-and-pull for years, 871 00:40:13,327 --> 00:40:15,121 and I felt rejected for years. 872 00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:18,916 But I kept choosing myself, and I kept, like, living authentically. 873 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,335 Keep having faith, keep being yourself, 874 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:24,839 and anybody would be, like, blessed to be around you. 875 00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:26,590 Thank you, I appreciate you saying that. 876 00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:28,050 I feel like there is a big element 877 00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:30,511 of applying what we learned through this experience. 878 00:40:30,594 --> 00:40:32,304 Like you said, living authentically… 879 00:40:32,388 --> 00:40:35,516 How can other people respect you if we don't respect ourselves? 880 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,518 We went to my cousin's wedding, 881 00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:40,938 and that was the first time I've brought Haley around my extended family. 882 00:40:41,021 --> 00:40:43,774 And I remember being like, "This is Haley." 883 00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:46,819 And I did that, and I did that two more times, 884 00:40:46,902 --> 00:40:49,113 and I was like, no, like, it feels wrong. 885 00:40:49,196 --> 00:40:52,324 This is going against everything that I thought I was growing. 886 00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:53,742 I don't want to go backwards. 887 00:40:53,826 --> 00:40:56,203 And I started, like, no, "This is my fiancée, Haley." 888 00:40:56,287 --> 00:40:59,748 The more I said that and looked people in their eyes, they were like… 889 00:41:00,332 --> 00:41:01,834 If I said, "This is Haley," 890 00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:04,420 they'd be sheepish, then just kind of walk away. 891 00:41:04,503 --> 00:41:06,672 Then I was like, "This is my fiancée, Haley." 892 00:41:06,755 --> 00:41:10,509 They had to look me in the eye, like, "Nice to meet you. You look so beautiful." 893 00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:14,346 And when I demanded that space… people can't back down. 894 00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:17,516 That was a big turning point in me. This is all that it's about. 895 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,769 If you have something to say or don't respect me, fine. Like… 896 00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:22,480 That's your problem, not mine. 897 00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:24,273 -That's growth. -That's exactly what it is. 898 00:41:24,356 --> 00:41:26,025 It's their problem and not yours. 899 00:41:26,108 --> 00:41:26,942 -Yeah. -Yeah. 900 00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:27,860 [JoAnna] I love it. 901 00:41:28,402 --> 00:41:30,529 So, Pilar, from your point of view, 902 00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:33,616 what exactly did happen between you and Kyle 903 00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:35,159 that night at the club? 904 00:41:35,659 --> 00:41:36,660 [sighs] 905 00:41:36,744 --> 00:41:38,287 [all laughing] 906 00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:40,581 [Pilar] I feel like we kissed at the club, 907 00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:44,001 and what I felt in that time was so real. 908 00:41:44,084 --> 00:41:47,588 And I still feel that. How we saw each other, how you made me feel, 909 00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:49,632 and the growth we had, I feel like… 910 00:41:49,715 --> 00:41:53,677 This one incident that we had clouded that entire experience and it took away. 911 00:41:53,761 --> 00:41:55,804 I feel like we would've been really good friends. 912 00:41:55,888 --> 00:41:59,266 I wish that I had just been better 913 00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:01,852 at communicating with you how I was feeling, 914 00:42:01,936 --> 00:42:04,355 because I did feel so close to you, like… 915 00:42:04,438 --> 00:42:08,442 And I'm so glad we got over that and did have great moments, but… 916 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:12,196 I think I was just so confused with the connection that we had, 917 00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:16,742 and I was selfish, and I don't know what I was thinking, honestly, 918 00:42:16,825 --> 00:42:19,036 and I lost sight of the reason I was there. 919 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,539 Like, I really wish we could have just been, like, 920 00:42:21,622 --> 00:42:23,123 there's clearly chemistry here, 921 00:42:23,207 --> 00:42:26,252 but we want to be here to better ourselves for our partner. 922 00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:29,880 If you'd just exactly said what you said, I would have been like, "Girl, yeah!" 923 00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:31,090 That's what I wanted, 924 00:42:31,173 --> 00:42:33,926 and I feel like that's what I was trying to get out of you. 925 00:42:34,009 --> 00:42:36,929 And when we had that… that was a deep conversation with us. 926 00:42:37,012 --> 00:42:39,515 I was like, yes, this is exactly why we're here also, 927 00:42:39,598 --> 00:42:42,393 is we have so much to grow from this. 928 00:42:43,143 --> 00:42:45,646 I just feel like I'm sad that this one thing took away. 929 00:42:45,729 --> 00:42:47,481 [Bridget] When you first start dating somebody, 930 00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:50,276 it would make a lot of sense for what happened to happen, 931 00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:54,446 but there's this added layer of, "But I came here to leave with somebody 932 00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:56,407 that I love and care about." 933 00:42:56,490 --> 00:42:59,451 That aspect of, "There's a little bit of, like, chemistry here," 934 00:42:59,535 --> 00:43:03,747 and, like, interest and, like, "I've never been with anyone like you," 935 00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:08,335 it challenged us to show up… "How do we deal with this, 936 00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:11,964 what does it mean for us, our partners, and how can we learn?" 937 00:43:12,047 --> 00:43:15,301 -And I feel like that's why we came here. -Yeah, absolutely. 938 00:43:15,384 --> 00:43:17,928 I was honestly taken aback when we… 939 00:43:18,012 --> 00:43:20,806 After we took some time, and after pickleball… 940 00:43:20,889 --> 00:43:24,143 And just how you were still, like, there. 941 00:43:24,226 --> 00:43:26,979 Like, I know I was, like, crying in the episode, 942 00:43:27,062 --> 00:43:29,648 but, like, I just wasn't used to that, 943 00:43:29,732 --> 00:43:32,860 and, like, having that blow up and then having you be like, 944 00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:35,321 "No, we're going to work through this." It really did… Sorry. 945 00:43:35,404 --> 00:43:36,405 [women] Aw. 946 00:43:36,488 --> 00:43:38,073 -[woman] Kyle. -[Pilar] Can I hug you? 947 00:43:39,658 --> 00:43:40,618 [Kyle] Yeah, me too. 948 00:43:44,496 --> 00:43:45,456 Me too. 949 00:43:45,539 --> 00:43:48,584 And I'm… sorry that, like, things… 950 00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:51,337 I feel like everyone, like, we ended our trial marriages 951 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:53,922 on such a good note, and by the end of the experience, 952 00:43:54,006 --> 00:43:56,800 like, no one was talking, um, 953 00:43:57,384 --> 00:43:58,636 which is too bad, but… 954 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,430 [JoAnna] Pilar, you expressed coming into this that your worst fear 955 00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:03,682 was that Haley would fall in love with someone else. 956 00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:07,603 What was the hardest part of watching everything unfold 957 00:44:07,686 --> 00:44:09,021 with Haley and Magan? 958 00:44:09,104 --> 00:44:12,524 It was just confusing, everything that was happening. 959 00:44:12,608 --> 00:44:14,777 It's not exactly that they fell in love, 960 00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:16,862 because that's always a possibility. 961 00:44:16,945 --> 00:44:20,157 But I was like, if you're going to pursue Magan 962 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,201 or if things that you guys have developed 963 00:44:22,284 --> 00:44:24,912 were stronger than our relationship, I want you to do that. 964 00:44:24,995 --> 00:44:27,539 Please do that. Just don't make me look stupid. 965 00:44:27,623 --> 00:44:30,084 But she was always avid that it was always us, 966 00:44:30,167 --> 00:44:32,795 and I was like, okay, so I just took it as an opportunity 967 00:44:32,878 --> 00:44:37,132 that there was something I wasn't doing or a void that I clearly created. 968 00:44:37,216 --> 00:44:39,843 I just didn't prioritize Haley, and I realized how much 969 00:44:39,927 --> 00:44:42,721 I had pushed her to the side in, like, our relationship. 970 00:44:42,805 --> 00:44:45,224 And I just wanted to take that to be better for her 971 00:44:45,307 --> 00:44:46,934 and understand where she was coming from, 972 00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:49,603 and what Magan was providing that I clearly wasn't. 973 00:44:49,687 --> 00:44:52,690 Like, the work-life balance and, like, prioritizing us, 974 00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:55,317 yeah, that's a big learning point for us 975 00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:57,194 in our relationship and our growth. 976 00:44:57,277 --> 00:44:59,405 Okay. Well, I have to ask. 977 00:44:59,988 --> 00:45:02,658 Haley, what was it like to be in love with two people at one time? 978 00:45:02,741 --> 00:45:04,702 I know you described your love in a different way, 979 00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:07,037 but you were at a crossroads. 980 00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:11,041 [Haley] I mean, you kind of feel bad on both sides, 981 00:45:11,125 --> 00:45:13,252 because on the one hand, like, 982 00:45:13,335 --> 00:45:16,171 I'm having to tell my partner of ten years, 983 00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:19,550 like, "Yes, I could have feelings for this other person." 984 00:45:19,633 --> 00:45:21,677 But how do you fully articulate 985 00:45:22,261 --> 00:45:24,555 how different those feelings are? 986 00:45:24,638 --> 00:45:28,267 I think that the physical component is, like, what makes it a lot harder. 987 00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:29,226 Mm-hmm. 988 00:45:29,309 --> 00:45:32,980 The combination of the two, that, like, it was unnecessary, 989 00:45:33,063 --> 00:45:36,525 and… you know, you can't take it back. 990 00:45:36,608 --> 00:45:39,778 So I'm not even gonna go into, like, regret versus not regret. 991 00:45:39,862 --> 00:45:41,572 That part doesn't matter. 992 00:45:41,655 --> 00:45:43,782 But what mattered more to me was just, like, 993 00:45:43,866 --> 00:45:48,036 making Pilar feel really secure after that moment, because… 994 00:45:49,246 --> 00:45:53,625 really the future that I really wanted, as long as she would have it, 995 00:45:53,709 --> 00:45:54,668 was with Pilar. 996 00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:55,753 [JoAnna] Yeah. 997 00:45:55,836 --> 00:45:59,423 It's sad, because there was just a profound effect on a lot of people. 998 00:45:59,506 --> 00:46:00,799 I'm not a bridge burner, 999 00:46:00,883 --> 00:46:03,469 but it's kind of hard to, like, leave things, like… 1000 00:46:03,552 --> 00:46:04,470 It's just like, "Damn, 1001 00:46:04,553 --> 00:46:06,805 -this was so important at one point." -What was it all for? 1002 00:46:06,889 --> 00:46:08,223 Yeah, now it's, like, gone. 1003 00:46:08,307 --> 00:46:09,641 Now we're back a year later. 1004 00:46:10,684 --> 00:46:13,228 All right. Dayna and Magan. 1005 00:46:13,312 --> 00:46:16,648 Last we saw you, Magan, you got on one knee, 1006 00:46:16,732 --> 00:46:19,943 and Dayna surprised us all with a double proposal. 1007 00:46:20,027 --> 00:46:21,612 Girl, that dress would have busted. 1008 00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:24,490 -I would've got down on that knee. -She didn't have to. 1009 00:46:24,573 --> 00:46:27,034 They had to sew that shit up right before I got there. 1010 00:46:27,117 --> 00:46:28,577 All right, let's have some fun. 1011 00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:30,496 Why don't we take a look at how Dayna and Magan 1012 00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:32,873 have been building their life over the past year 1013 00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:34,458 as a newly engaged couple. 1014 00:46:34,541 --> 00:46:35,375 I'm scared. 1015 00:46:35,459 --> 00:46:36,794 -Let's see. -This is a good one. 1016 00:46:36,877 --> 00:46:38,378 -It's a good one? -Yes. 1017 00:46:38,462 --> 00:46:42,841 ♪ I wanna fly with you Every day and every night ♪ 1018 00:46:42,925 --> 00:46:47,596 ♪ I wanna hold you Every day and all my life ♪ 1019 00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:49,848 Pressing against my face. 1020 00:46:51,558 --> 00:46:55,979 -Shake it. Shake it. Shake it. Shake it. -Hey! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! 1021 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:59,107 Happy birthday! Happy birthday! [laughs] 1022 00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:03,320 ♪ Fell so hard I fell so deep ♪ 1023 00:47:03,403 --> 00:47:05,280 ♪ I wanna love you ♪ 1024 00:47:05,364 --> 00:47:08,158 -[Dayna chuckling] -♪ Every day and every night ♪ 1025 00:47:08,242 --> 00:47:09,159 [Magan groans] 1026 00:47:10,410 --> 00:47:12,246 [laughs] Damn. 1027 00:47:12,329 --> 00:47:14,790 [JoAnna] Well, are you still on track to getting married? 1028 00:47:14,873 --> 00:47:17,167 Yeah, we just don't really know when yet. 1029 00:47:17,251 --> 00:47:19,962 Yeah, I think we still also just, like, wanna make sure 1030 00:47:20,045 --> 00:47:22,005 everyone in our lives are comfortable. 1031 00:47:22,089 --> 00:47:23,048 So how's that going? 1032 00:47:23,131 --> 00:47:25,384 Because I know that that was a big thing for you. 1033 00:47:25,467 --> 00:47:29,596 Yeah, so, um, when I was in Miami, it was a lot. 1034 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,890 I was on the phone with my mom and dad 1035 00:47:31,974 --> 00:47:33,809 like… majority of the week 1036 00:47:33,892 --> 00:47:36,520 just kind of like telling them, "I need you." 1037 00:47:36,603 --> 00:47:37,980 And they were both there for me. 1038 00:47:38,063 --> 00:47:41,149 And when we came back, we knew things had to change. 1039 00:47:41,233 --> 00:47:42,776 We knew things were gonna change. 1040 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:45,779 My mom… like, it kind of took a few tries 1041 00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:49,199 for Dayna and my mom to really, like, understand each other. 1042 00:47:49,283 --> 00:47:50,200 But it happened. 1043 00:47:50,784 --> 00:47:53,287 We're actually planning for both of our parents to meet soon. 1044 00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:54,663 Aw. 1045 00:47:54,746 --> 00:47:58,250 You realize when you're not serious, people aren't gonna take you serious. 1046 00:47:58,333 --> 00:47:59,710 Or if you're not certain, 1047 00:47:59,793 --> 00:48:02,212 people aren't gonna think you're certain about certain things. 1048 00:48:02,296 --> 00:48:05,340 And considering, like, what Dayna and I went through on the show, 1049 00:48:06,258 --> 00:48:08,468 I just presented it to them in a serious way. 1050 00:48:08,552 --> 00:48:11,179 Like, "Hey, like, you know, I really love this person." 1051 00:48:11,263 --> 00:48:15,183 And like, "There's no reason why you shouldn't give them a chance." 1052 00:48:15,267 --> 00:48:18,437 She actually came around for, uh… for Thanksgiving last year, 1053 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,105 which was really nice, yeah. 1054 00:48:20,188 --> 00:48:23,317 I never, uh… I never brought anybody for Thanksgiving before. 1055 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,318 So it was nice. 1056 00:48:24,401 --> 00:48:26,069 It was really cool. [laughs] 1057 00:48:26,153 --> 00:48:27,070 Are you okay? 1058 00:48:27,154 --> 00:48:29,072 -Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. -Um… 1059 00:48:30,157 --> 00:48:32,993 It's like… Now I'm gonna cry. 1060 00:48:33,076 --> 00:48:34,369 No, you're good, you're good. 1061 00:48:35,454 --> 00:48:36,872 Um, it's just… 1062 00:48:37,623 --> 00:48:42,628 It's like seeing her, like… believe in herself is, like, 1063 00:48:43,545 --> 00:48:47,049 really all I've ever wanted for her. Um… 1064 00:48:47,591 --> 00:48:51,053 And, like, she found that times ten. 1065 00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:56,850 And then I realized… on top of that, you know, suddenly she was so… 1066 00:48:56,934 --> 00:48:58,310 She's so gung-ho, like, 1067 00:48:58,393 --> 00:49:00,687 "Come to my mom's house." I'm like, "Shit." 1068 00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:04,191 Now I have to, like… I have to… I have to be the brave one. 1069 00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:07,194 Like, oh my gosh, like, I'm scared now. 1070 00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:10,364 Like, you know, this is hard, to go somewhere where you're not wanted 1071 00:49:10,447 --> 00:49:11,949 or maybe you're gonna be rejected. 1072 00:49:12,032 --> 00:49:14,159 -[JoAnna] Or misunderstood. -I mean, all of it. 1073 00:49:14,242 --> 00:49:17,579 Now I know what it's like to experience what it must be like to her. 1074 00:49:17,663 --> 00:49:19,331 And that was hard, you know. 1075 00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:22,501 That was something I also didn't comprehend, was like… 1076 00:49:22,584 --> 00:49:25,003 They had to be brave. That was bravery for them. 1077 00:49:25,087 --> 00:49:28,215 They were uncomfortable. They were scared. They were nervous. 1078 00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:29,758 They didn't know what to do. 1079 00:49:29,841 --> 00:49:32,678 It's uncomfortable for everyone, but everyone was being brave. 1080 00:49:32,761 --> 00:49:34,262 Them really trying. 1081 00:49:34,346 --> 00:49:37,140 I know how hard it must be for them to shake those beliefs 1082 00:49:37,224 --> 00:49:39,851 and just try to even just have an open mind. 1083 00:49:39,935 --> 00:49:42,270 And, like, now we're in a great place. 1084 00:49:42,771 --> 00:49:45,774 I think watching the show back was a little bit, like, daunting 1085 00:49:45,857 --> 00:49:48,819 because it was like, wow, this was kind of supposed to be for us 1086 00:49:48,902 --> 00:49:52,572 to, like, have something to show, like, "Be proud of us." 1087 00:49:52,656 --> 00:49:54,241 Like, "See, we're normal." 1088 00:49:54,783 --> 00:49:58,328 And to not have that to show for now, I think, made me sad for her, 1089 00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:01,790 because it was to show them, "See, you can be gay and be normal, 1090 00:50:01,873 --> 00:50:05,043 or you can have a good relationship, but we do love each other." 1091 00:50:05,127 --> 00:50:08,797 We didn't expect our situations to be as dramatic as they were. 1092 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,885 We just kind of wanted to also show, like, give them a little platform 1093 00:50:13,969 --> 00:50:17,431 to see us in a different light that they don't get to see us. 1094 00:50:17,514 --> 00:50:21,476 So it's sad that now they're gonna have to deal with the opposite of that, 1095 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,229 which is, like, repercussions of my behavior. 1096 00:50:24,312 --> 00:50:25,230 [Magan] It'll be okay. 1097 00:50:25,313 --> 00:50:29,317 I get it wasn't the "fairy tale" that you wanted them to see, 1098 00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:33,321 but it actually shows that you guys have what it takes to make it. 1099 00:50:33,405 --> 00:50:34,990 -Yeah. -[JoAnna] Magan. 1100 00:50:35,073 --> 00:50:40,954 What role did Haley play in you finding this sort of confidence 1101 00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:43,540 -and drawing those boundaries? -[Magan] Yeah. 1102 00:50:43,623 --> 00:50:48,587 I never created the space for myself to, like, initiate things. 1103 00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:53,133 And I think, like… being with Haley, like, she was a really good listener, 1104 00:50:53,216 --> 00:50:55,677 and she gave me the space, and she heard me out, 1105 00:50:55,761 --> 00:50:57,804 and, like, she helped me process things 1106 00:50:57,888 --> 00:51:00,766 because, like, her and I operated the same way. 1107 00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:03,769 I found a lot of clarity talking to her. 1108 00:51:03,852 --> 00:51:06,104 I think like where things got misconstrued 1109 00:51:06,188 --> 00:51:09,316 is like, I would tell Haley all the time that I loved her, 1110 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:14,279 and I wanted Haley to be in my life at some sort of capacity. 1111 00:51:14,362 --> 00:51:17,616 And honestly, like, I really wish that we didn't take things so far 1112 00:51:17,699 --> 00:51:22,370 because Haley would have been an amazing friend to me, you know? 1113 00:51:22,454 --> 00:51:25,624 And I think, like, it's unfortunate, you know, but it is what it is. 1114 00:51:25,707 --> 00:51:27,125 And you can't change the past. 1115 00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:29,711 Just because I said I wasn't in love with you, 1116 00:51:29,795 --> 00:51:34,174 I didn't want to take away all of the, like, love that was there. 1117 00:51:34,966 --> 00:51:37,302 And I'm sorry. I'm sorry for that. 1118 00:51:38,386 --> 00:51:41,598 The feelings were very confused, but looking back, it's like… 1119 00:51:41,681 --> 00:51:42,891 You seemed really hurt. 1120 00:51:42,974 --> 00:51:44,518 [Haley] And of course I was hurt, 1121 00:51:44,601 --> 00:51:47,979 because we thought we were gonna be able to be friends after this. 1122 00:51:48,063 --> 00:51:50,565 -Yeah. -And that's not how it was. 1123 00:51:50,649 --> 00:51:53,944 The whole thing just got twisted around into something ugly 1124 00:51:54,027 --> 00:51:56,321 that I don't think either of us recognized. 1125 00:51:56,822 --> 00:51:59,157 What happened, happened. And it's unfortunate. 1126 00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:00,951 I was really anxious coming into this 1127 00:52:01,034 --> 00:52:04,579 because I feel like there could have been so much animosity and mud. 1128 00:52:04,663 --> 00:52:07,999 I was like, I'm not proud of everything, but I'm proud of how we came back together 1129 00:52:08,083 --> 00:52:11,586 and how we showed up for each other, and what we are and the work we've done. 1130 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:14,714 And not to say that year, and this past year, was easy… 1131 00:52:14,798 --> 00:52:17,008 because it had trials and tribulations. 1132 00:52:17,092 --> 00:52:21,847 But now I can confidently say how strong Haley and I, and happy we are, and like… 1133 00:52:23,014 --> 00:52:25,559 Yeah, I'm just really happy with the result. 1134 00:52:25,642 --> 00:52:27,310 It was so hard to watch that back. 1135 00:52:27,394 --> 00:52:32,732 And anyone here has every right to be furious for at least one reason. 1136 00:52:32,816 --> 00:52:36,027 Every person that's in this room has at least one reason to be furious. 1137 00:52:36,111 --> 00:52:39,656 And like, I'm grateful that, like, we can speak in this way, 1138 00:52:39,739 --> 00:52:42,492 and, like, be able to openly talk about these things 1139 00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:44,828 -without it being, like, animosity. -I agree. 1140 00:52:44,911 --> 00:52:47,706 For me and Britney, it was hard because we love both of you. 1141 00:52:47,789 --> 00:52:49,875 We love the shit out of you guys. 1142 00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:52,627 And we both want you guys to come to our wedding. 1143 00:52:52,711 --> 00:52:55,005 And we were like, well, where would they sit? 1144 00:52:55,088 --> 00:52:57,674 Yeah, that was so hard. Honestly, it's so hard for you guys. 1145 00:52:57,757 --> 00:53:00,844 -I hate that we had to put you… -You didn't put us in any position. 1146 00:53:00,927 --> 00:53:02,971 [Dayna] But you guys handled it amazingly. 1147 00:53:03,054 --> 00:53:05,432 You guys have been such great friends. 1148 00:53:05,515 --> 00:53:07,517 We never felt like you guys took sides. 1149 00:53:07,601 --> 00:53:09,686 We never felt like you took our side either. 1150 00:53:09,769 --> 00:53:12,397 Like, we felt like we were just friends with you. 1151 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,525 And like you had your own relationship with other people. 1152 00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:17,944 I almost, like, was like getting giddy. 1153 00:53:18,028 --> 00:53:20,280 Like, "Oh my God, can we all be cool?" 1154 00:53:20,947 --> 00:53:22,657 Like, are we going out later? 1155 00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:25,076 Are we all going out after this? 1156 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,954 Like, you guys texted me, I think a couple days ago. 1157 00:53:28,038 --> 00:53:29,456 "What are you doing after?" 1158 00:53:29,539 --> 00:53:33,960 And I was like, "I hope we can all just hold hands together." 1159 00:53:34,044 --> 00:53:36,838 The way this is going, it's sounding more and more like that. 1160 00:53:36,922 --> 00:53:37,964 I'm with you, Marita. 1161 00:53:38,048 --> 00:53:39,090 JoAnna, are you coming? 1162 00:53:39,174 --> 00:53:40,884 -Yeah, JoAnna. -[Magan] You coming too? 1163 00:53:40,967 --> 00:53:41,801 Hold my hand. 1164 00:53:42,677 --> 00:53:43,678 Shots on me. 1165 00:53:43,762 --> 00:53:45,639 [all laughing] 1166 00:53:45,722 --> 00:53:46,640 [JoAnna] All right. 1167 00:53:46,723 --> 00:53:50,018 So it seems like you are all in a really great place. 1168 00:53:50,101 --> 00:53:53,104 Who do you think grew most in this experience? 1169 00:53:53,188 --> 00:53:56,191 And who do you think has more work to do? 1170 00:53:56,775 --> 00:54:00,612 I'll nominate myself for, like, has a lot of work to do. 1171 00:54:00,695 --> 00:54:03,323 I think, like, watching myself back was painful. 1172 00:54:04,157 --> 00:54:07,077 And I thought I was a very self-aware person, 1173 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,287 and realized how un-self-aware I was. 1174 00:54:09,371 --> 00:54:11,248 Actually, I'm thankful for the point of reference 1175 00:54:11,331 --> 00:54:13,083 to like, okay, here's what I see. 1176 00:54:13,166 --> 00:54:14,542 And here's what I can now do. 1177 00:54:14,626 --> 00:54:17,837 You don't ever get to experience looking at yourself like that. 1178 00:54:17,921 --> 00:54:19,965 I would say that you improved the most. 1179 00:54:20,048 --> 00:54:24,261 I mean, like, you know, looking at the video, like, you are so different. 1180 00:54:24,344 --> 00:54:25,845 You're kind of overlooking that. 1181 00:54:25,929 --> 00:54:27,806 -I think that's so important. -I appreciate you. 1182 00:54:27,889 --> 00:54:29,891 I think you should be so proud of yourself. 1183 00:54:29,975 --> 00:54:31,268 -I love you. -I'm proud of you. 1184 00:54:31,351 --> 00:54:34,271 I think everybody can keep growing and keep evolving. 1185 00:54:34,354 --> 00:54:39,317 You know, I don't think it's necessarily like who did and who didn't. 1186 00:54:39,401 --> 00:54:42,737 For the part that matters the most, like, who can? 1187 00:54:42,821 --> 00:54:43,655 Everybody. 1188 00:54:44,447 --> 00:54:47,701 Well, a huge thank you to all of you for being here today. 1189 00:54:47,784 --> 00:54:49,995 It's been so great to hear from everyone 1190 00:54:50,078 --> 00:54:52,789 and see how far you all have come since we first met. 1191 00:54:52,872 --> 00:54:54,541 -Whoo! -[Pilar] Let's go. 1192 00:54:54,624 --> 00:54:58,211 I have to say, JoAnna, before we go, I don't think you get enough credit. 1193 00:54:58,295 --> 00:55:01,047 And I think everybody here can either speak to this. 1194 00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:04,426 Like, I don't think you get enough credit of how an amazing host you are, 1195 00:55:04,509 --> 00:55:05,927 how you show up for us. 1196 00:55:06,011 --> 00:55:09,597 And even though you are a straight-presenting woman, 1197 00:55:09,681 --> 00:55:13,518 it's bridging the gap between what we experience 1198 00:55:13,601 --> 00:55:16,688 from other people that may not see us how you see us. 1199 00:55:17,272 --> 00:55:21,151 Your love and your compassion towards us makes us feel so seen. 1200 00:55:21,234 --> 00:55:24,195 I will never forget what you said to Pilar that first night 1201 00:55:24,279 --> 00:55:25,488 -about family. -It meant a lot. 1202 00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:27,240 It meant so much to her, so much to me. 1203 00:55:27,324 --> 00:55:32,162 It brought a lot of light to my parents where they were like, "She's straight." 1204 00:55:32,245 --> 00:55:33,580 And I was like, yeah. 1205 00:55:33,663 --> 00:55:36,791 And if she can stand up here and accept all of us, 1206 00:55:36,875 --> 00:55:39,210 and we don't need the acceptance or understanding, 1207 00:55:39,294 --> 00:55:42,339 but if you can stand here and be that person, 1208 00:55:42,422 --> 00:55:47,218 like, I truly believe that it is the gap that needs that bridge. 1209 00:55:47,302 --> 00:55:49,679 And you are that bridge for us, so thank you. 1210 00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:52,515 Well, that means a lot to me. 1211 00:55:53,433 --> 00:55:57,354 I really feel like such an ally, and I believe so much in love. 1212 00:55:57,437 --> 00:56:01,566 And I believe that it's so important to celebrate love in all forms. 1213 00:56:01,649 --> 00:56:02,484 So thank you so much. 1214 00:56:02,567 --> 00:56:05,737 I don't think you understand how much that means to me. 1215 00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:07,489 -[women] Aw! -We love you, Jo. 1216 00:56:07,572 --> 00:56:10,742 At the end of the day, what matters is your experience. 1217 00:56:10,825 --> 00:56:14,162 I know it hasn't been a perfect one, and I know there's a lot of feelings. 1218 00:56:14,245 --> 00:56:18,458 But just surround yourself with the people that are celebrating you, 1219 00:56:18,541 --> 00:56:20,752 because I will be celebrating all of you. 1220 00:56:21,544 --> 00:56:24,714 -And officiating our wedding. -[JoAnna] I will officiate your wedding! 1221 00:56:25,298 --> 00:56:28,385 And we've also got something super exciting to share with you 1222 00:56:28,468 --> 00:56:29,761 and everyone else at home. 1223 00:56:29,844 --> 00:56:31,805 ♪ Can't stop the heat right now ♪ 1224 00:56:31,888 --> 00:56:35,266 You can now experience the same high-stake decisions and drama 1225 00:56:35,350 --> 00:56:37,185 that will put your love to the test. 1226 00:56:37,268 --> 00:56:43,400 Now only on Netflix Games for iOS and Android, play The Ultimatum: Choices. 1227 00:56:45,443 --> 00:56:49,489 For now, thank you for your trust in The Ultimatum, and here's to love. 1228 00:56:49,572 --> 00:56:50,740 [cheers and applause] 1229 00:56:50,824 --> 00:56:52,158 [JoAnna] Who wants to hug me? 1230 00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:53,743 Yeah! 1231 00:56:53,827 --> 00:56:56,830 [indistinct chatter and laughter] 1232 00:56:56,913 --> 00:56:59,207 -Oh, we're hugging everybody. -I'm hugging you. 1233 00:56:59,290 --> 00:57:00,667 I am, like, not a toucher. 1234 00:57:00,750 --> 00:57:01,876 [Magan] Kyle, give me a hug. 1235 00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:04,421 You guys are so incredible. 1236 00:57:04,504 --> 00:57:06,506 ♪ Can't stop the beat right now ♪ 1237 00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:08,800 ♪ Can't stop the heat right now ♪ 1238 00:57:08,883 --> 00:57:11,010 ♪ Feel it all over me right now ♪ 1239 00:57:11,094 --> 00:57:13,304 ♪ Yeah, I'm feeling so hot, hot, hot ♪ 1240 00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:24,691 ♪ Uh-huh ♪ 1241 00:57:26,359 --> 00:57:27,193 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1242 00:57:27,277 --> 00:57:29,195 ♪ I've been working all week for this ♪ 1243 00:57:30,655 --> 00:57:31,489 ♪ Uh-huh ♪ 1244 00:57:31,573 --> 00:57:33,908 ♪ Yeah, I'm feeling so hot, hot, hot ♪ 1245 00:57:33,992 --> 00:57:35,785 [song ends]