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This program me
contains very strong language.
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Can I see your hands?
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Are those little marks from boxing?
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Well, this one is.
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What about on your knuckles?
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You know, funny enough,
I'm not a troublesome person,
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I'll be honest with you.
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Far from troublesome.
But I used to get into fights a lot.
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Back in the day? Yeah,
and my skin doesn't heal too well.
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So this knuckle, I was going
to get chicken one evening,
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and I ended up fighting
six guys on my own.
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And that was just, like, massive.
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Really good scrap.
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And I think this is from
the same time I had that,
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and I'm here to tell the tale today.
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Were you putting people in hospital,
do you think? No, no, no, no, no.
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Probably. In a coffin.
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No, I'm joking!
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In a gym in far north London,
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| was with Anthony Joshua,
known to his friends as A).
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Step round...
Do you think you could take me?
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Yeah. Seriously?
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Yeah. What makes you so sure?
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Because it's not questioning
your strength,
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but what I'm questioning
is your boxing I1Q.
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I can't believe you're taking
that question seriously.
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That was a ridiculous question.
Thought I'd answer it honestly.
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Why you stepping forward?
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He's stepping forward, looking like,
"Yeah, let me size him up.”
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Come on.
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Oh, my goodness.
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The two-time heavyweight
world champion
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and global celebrity
had agreed to sit down
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and talk about life at the top of
the most punishing of all sports.
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I could actually get you a fight
and it would do well.
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Me? Yeah. For real? Definitely.
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Yeah, because you will bring viewers
to my broadcasting platform.
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Who would you put me in against?
um...
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Maybe someone...
I think like a Kugan Cassius.
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He's a... Boxing journalist?
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Yeah, but then...
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I thought you were going to say,
like, Phil Schofield.
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What did someone say?
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Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan.
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That's a perfect match-up.
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Number one, he's very famous. Yeah.
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And I think I could take him.
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In Greenwich, south-east London,
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fans were streaming into
the 02 Arena for Fight Night.
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At the top of the card
was what was being hyped
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as a comeback fight for A
following two consecutive losses.
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Joshua for the win!
Anthony Joshua for the win!
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Anthony Joshua for the win!
Second round knockout! Bang!
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In pre-fight mode, AJ was surrounded
only by his closest circle...
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...50 not me.
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All right, Ben?
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How's it going in there?
How's the mood? Yeah, good. Yeah.
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How's he feeling? Relaxed, yeah.
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He looks well.
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Up for it. Yeah.
Just got to relax now.
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AJ's boxing career
took off in 2012...
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Representing Great Britain,
Anthony Joshua!
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...when he won gold
at the London Olympics,
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then teamed up
with promoter Eddie Hearn,
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using his explosive strength...
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Oh, nailed him.
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...to become a reliable
knockout machine.
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Britain has a new
World Heavyweight Champion.
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In 2017, in a career high,
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he defeated the Ukrainian
Wladimir Klitschko...
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Down goes Klitschko!
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...in front of
a record-breaking crowd.
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Always there's been the dream
of a match-up
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with his fellow British heavyweight,
Tyson Fury.
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But defeat in his last two fights
and a meltdown in the ring
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took some of the shine
off AJ's crown.
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A year on,
and tonight was being viewed
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as a way to get A
back to his winning ways
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against a relative unknown
from Saginaw, Michigan,
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called Jermaine Franklin.
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Everybody knows that AJ's
been around a long time.
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He's accomplished a lot,
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so we do respect him for that.
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But, you know,
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it's a new kid on the block now,
and he come here to take over.
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COMMENTATOR: Well, here we go.
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It's looking absolutely splendid,
isn't it?
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A sold-out 02 Arena,
19,000 tickets.
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There are a lot of people saying
if he loses, it's career over.
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Listen, it wouldn't be ideal,
but ultimately, I expect him to win.
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Are you a friend of AJ's?
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I've known him for a long time.
What's your...?
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I mean, what observations would you
make about him and his personality?
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His personality? Observations?
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We've got a big hard case here,
haven't we? One more time, soft lad.
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I want to be famous like Tony.
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Just to zoom out for a second,
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because obviously
for the non-boxing fans,
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what they're mainly thinking about
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is, why would you go in there
and get hurt, or hurt someone else?
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That's what we do.
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It has to mean more than anything
in the world to you,
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and that's the only way you will get
the ultimate success in this sport.
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That's for you, bro.
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Me, I'm like, always, I'm like,
every time I get in the ring now
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and I'L be like, "Oh, for
fuck's sake, what am I doing here?
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"I need to stop." I'm like, "Can I
come out of the ring and go home?"
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I'm like, "If I do that,
then I become a pussy," so I fight.
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And when I've finished, I'm like,
"You know what? I want to go again."
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If you want to succeed
in this business,
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in this horrible, brutal sport,
it has to be your life.
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ANNOUNCER: And now entering
the arena,
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A}, Anthony Joshua!
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And then it was showtime.
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BELL RINGS
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Joshua, back at London's 02 Arena!
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Fans had been hoping for a knockout,
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but Franklin proved tougher
than many had expected,
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soaking up punishment
and counter punching.
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And once again, Franklin shows
more than creditable resistance
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in taking that clean shot.
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Oh, a big right hand from Joshua.
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Last few moments of the contest.
BELL RINGS
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The bell sounds.
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When the decision came,
a win on points after 12 rounds...
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Anthony Joshua!
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CHEERING
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...A) seemed not overly thrilled.
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A week later, at the gym
where A) had taken his first lessons
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in boxing as a teenager, we sat down
for a gloves-off conversation.
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Anthony Joshua, two-time world
champion, an incredible fighter.
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You won on Saturday night,
but before that,
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there'd been three losses
in five fights. Yes.
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And questions were being asked.
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To some extent, questions, I think,
are still being asked, right? Yes.
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About whether
you will be the fighter...
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...that everyone
dreamed of you being.
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Well, let me ask you a question.
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Are you the same person
you was ten years ago?
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No. Neither am I.
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I'm better.
Yeah, but is better...?
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When people say...
That was a joke, by the way.
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But maybe not.
I don't know that I'm much worse.
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Exactly. AllL I mean is that, in
the ring, you looked quite worried.
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Huh?!
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Believe it or not.
What did you see?
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Concern on your face.
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I've seen you happy after fights,
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and after that fight, you did not
look happy. Certain fights.
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Why should I be ecstatic
and over the moon
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of beating a guy
that I should be beating?
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When I beat the champions
of the division,
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then you'll see me excited.
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If you beat Tyson Fury?
I'd be over the moon.
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Would you? Yeah, of course.
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Would you like to? Yeah, of course.
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Are you friendly with him?
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Not really.
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But I respect what he's done.
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I think he called you a dosser.
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Yeah, but...
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That's his standard term of abuse.
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Yeah. "You big dosser."
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Yeah.
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"He's a body-builder." Yeah.
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"He is a businessman.
I am a Spartan."” Yeah.
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Have you got one of those putty
Tyson Fury dolls or something?
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No, I'm joking.
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You must like him, though.
What makes you say that?
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Cos you can memorise
every quote of his.
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Ah, he's very quotable, isn't he?
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He is, to be fair.
And he's got that distinctive...
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Like he's eaten a frog voice?
Yeah. Yeah.
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Do you think you could beat him?
Yeah.
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Wouldn't be easy, though. No.
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The bookies, I think,
would favour him. Yeah.
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Do you agree? Yeah.
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But it's good.
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Gives me a bit more...
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You know? Yeah.
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It's a challenge,
but one I'll be up for.
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What do you think is the secret
to your success in the ring?
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In the simplest form? Mm-hm.
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God.
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That's not the answer
I was looking for.
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OK, putting God to one side...
OK.
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God doesn't like
being put to one side.
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But in this case... Doesn't mind.
..he doesn't mind.
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Is it natural ability?
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So you have a natural...
Instinctive ability.
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Yeah, you have a natural instinctive
skill that can be developed. Mm-hm.
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But then I fell in love
with the fitness regime,
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because when I was a young lad,
I was on the gange, on the haze,
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the lemon. And if you can't get
these distractions out of your life,
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you can't put your full focus
and attention
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on improvement as an athlete.
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So for me, when I stopped smoking,
I was able to progress.
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How much were you smoking
when you smoked?
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Maybe, like, six spliffs a day.
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Starting at what time?
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Wake and bake. Wake and bake?
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Wake and bake, baby.
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Wake and bake, baby?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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How old were you when you started?
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My mum's not going to be happy
about this, right?
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Go on. Probably about 13.
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Mm-hm. Would you smoke a spliff
before you went to school?
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Yeah, or we'd bunk off school.
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Do you recommend that?
A} LAUGHS
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I can't really...
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For me, if you're listening to me,
kids, don't do it.
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Don't do it? It's not good.
Yeah, it's not good.
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Did you find it helped
with your schoolwork? Not at all.
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Kids, don't do drugs.
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Shall we say that?
Don't drink and drive.
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Definitely. Smoke a spliff and fly.
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Don't do... Oh!
A) LAUGHS
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Yeah. But do what you like.
Do what you like.
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You've used that line before.
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Yeah, of course. Sorry, officer.
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Yeah. So the thing is, it wasn't
meant for me to be a champion.
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Well, you've said that before,
but what do you mean by that?
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Well, I was in Reading jail in 2009.
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Mm-hm. And then...
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For reasons that are not disclosed
at this point in the interview.
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In 2011, I got kicked off the
Olympics team for carrying drugs.
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You had 70z or 80z?
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Something like that.
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Which is half a pound, which is more
than you'd think for personal use.
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Right? Take a while
to get through that.
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I started smoking more
as time went on.
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How much...? What does that
look like physically, 70z or 80z?
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It looks like a whole heap of cash.
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It's said that you were
literally in your Team GB tracksuit
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when you got pulled over...
That was my disguise.
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...speeding in
Colindale, north London.
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Grahame Park. Yeah.
Like, it's so basic -
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you don't speed when you're carrying
huge amounts of drugs.
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When you're a big and black guy,
you could be doing 20mph,
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and, "Oi, you're speeding!
Pull over!”
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You know what I mean?
It is what it is. Right.
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You know, wrong complexion
and wrong connection.
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It's part of the game.
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They see you in a Team GB tracksuit,
which you've got on,
245
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suggesting like, "I'm just,
not only am I a regular civilian,
246
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“I'm actually an athlete.”
"Excuse me, sir, I represent you."
247
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Did you say that?
Yeah, like, "Sir, I represent you."
248
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You said that?
Yeah, like, "Come on, me?"
249
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The sheer gall of saying that...
"I represent you, sir."
250
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Shameless. Honestly.
251
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It's been characterised
as a Sliding Doors moment
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that it could have derailed
your Olympic debut.
253
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So this is a great question...
2012, right? London.
254
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I mean, is there a chance
that you would have not been allowed
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to go to the Olympics
because of that?
256
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So the Olympic Committee, they...
I really honour them,
257
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because I got kicked off the
Olympic Committee at the time...
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Because of the case?
Because of the case.
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I started smoking again.
260
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And then Sean from this gym
called my mum...
261
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Sean Murphy, who'd been with you...
262
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well...
"Get your son back in the gym.
263
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"Stop messing about. Get him back
in the gym. He's got talent.”
264
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And then about six months later
to a year,
265
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Rob McCracken backed me and said...
266
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He was your trainer.
Yeah. He stuck by me, and said,
267
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"Let him on the squad,
he'll sort his life out, trust me."
268
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What do you think Eddie's...?
269
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You know, when Eddie Hearn
signed you up early on,
270
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what do you think he saw in you?
271
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Potential. You already had
a degree of fame,
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based on being part of Team GB.
It was the London Olympics, so...
273
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I had a story. It was constantly,
274
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"This is a lad who's used boxing
to turn his life around.
275
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"He could have been..."
276
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Yeah. I was thinking, "Cor, dear, I
never signed up to be a role model!
277
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"I just want to fight." Really?
278
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Yeah. But he's a salesman.
279
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But in the sense
that I was just someone
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who wanted to better my life.
That's all it was with me. Mm-hm.
281
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And it's as simple as that.
282
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But what...?
What would I be as a promoter
283
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if I only just sold
that part of the story?
284
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"Just a kid,
he just wants to better his life.
285
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"Yeah, don't worry
about anything else.”
286
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I'm going to sell you every part,
nook and cranny of this kid's story
287
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to make you believe
that this kid is a changed man.
288
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"He's the best thing
since sliced bread.
289
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"He came from here, and he's
heading to the championship.
290
00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,775
"Follow this kid on this journey.
Come and watch him.
291
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"If you don't watch him now,
you're going to miss out.”
292
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Goes in there, knocks a kid out.
293
00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,295
" Told you!
You missed out the first one.
294
00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,615
"The next one..."
Three months later, he's out there.
295
00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,735
"Tickets, get them now
while they're cheap,
296
00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,335
"cos in a year, you won't be
able to afford to see this kid."
297
00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,975
Oh, prices rise. "I told you
they were going to go up.”
298
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,215
The gravy train, baby.
That's what it's about.
299
00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,575
And what will happen?
I sit in this hot seat now,
300
00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,975
in the next ten years,
someone else will sit here,
301
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,935
so I've got to make the most
of this opportunity while I can.
302
00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,495
In the run-up to AJ's big
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comeback fight at the 02,
304
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I'd been present for an afternoon
of press at a west London hotel.
305
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Well, welcome back to London,
306
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ahead of perhaps one of the most
important fights of his career.
307
00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,375
Anthony Joshua takes on Jermaine
Franklin, live and exclusive...
308
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It was my first experience
of the jamboree of pre-publicity
309
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for a big boxing event.
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Branded as a new dawn,
311
00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,615
for A}, the pressure was on
o build excitement for a fight
312
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which, truthfully,
he should easily win.
313
00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,215
Hey, Louis. How you doing? How you
doing, mate? Good to see you, mate.
314
00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,535
All right? How's it going?
All good, mate. Fantastic.
315
00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,215
You've been working with AJ
for how long?
316
00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,335
This is my tenth year.
317
00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,695
Tenth year, and he's only been pro
for ten years. Yeah.
318
00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,455
So the whole time
he's been professional.
319
00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,655
How do you explain the impact
that AJ's had on boxing?
320
00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:28,135
So the first time that a fighter
is looked at as a hero,
321
00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,575
as a role model, he started bringing
boxing as a stadium attraction.
322
00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,575
You know, Wembley Stadium, 80,000.
323
00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,535
Sold out Madison Square Garden.
324
00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,215
How much has he made, do you think?
325
00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:40,375
A lot.
326
00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:41,575
Tens of millions?
327
00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,015
Hundreds of millions, hopefully.
You know.
328
00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,815
Don't you have a deal with him
to do a number of fights?
329
00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,495
For the rest of his career. Yeah.
330
00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,055
For the next, like, three fights
a year for how many years?
331
00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,535
However long he continues.
332
00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,415
So he's not legally obliged
to do that? No, no.
333
00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,175
I want him to stop
when the hunger's gone,
334
00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,495
because when the hunger goes
in this sport, you have to get out.
335
00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,575
Anthony, just talk to me
a little bit
336
00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,455
about why you think this opponent
at this stage in your career
337
00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,935
is the right opponent
at this particular time.
338
00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,295
I've got to respect
every opponent I face.
339
00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,055
I would love to be fighting
for a championship belt, of course,
340
00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,575
but that's not the reality.
341
00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,655
Do you need to make a statement
on Saturday night,
342
00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,815
just to let people know
that you're still here? 100%.
343
00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,055
Maybe they do need to see
the old Anthony Joshua.
344
00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,615
It was a long afternoon
of interviews...
345
00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,615
...many of them focused
on AJ's recent challenges.
346
00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,095
I don't really look for credibility
from outside sources.
347
00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,055
Like, people accuse you of not
giving me the respect I deserve.
348
00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,375
That's not true, though.
No, no. We're just talking.
349
00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,335
I'm not saying that you do.
I'm just saying...
350
00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,735
I tell you it is how it is.
351
00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,015
I want you to be
the best you can possibly be...
352
00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,015
Did you feel you learned anything
from the interviews?
353
00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,655
A whole load of questions
they asked me,
354
00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,895
I'm just like,
"Why are you asking me that?"
355
00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,655
Just baffles me.
I thought you were very patient.
356
00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,575
You think so? Yeah, I think
I would have got a bit tetchy.
357
00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,375
Yeah! Honestly.
358
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,375
I feel like you can get lost
in your own words
359
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,455
if you're not just straight up. And
hunger. Hunger came up quite a lot.
360
00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,375
Yeah, like, "Are you still hungry?"
361
00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,975
I want to do it! Yeah.
362
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,015
That's all this stuff's about,
is competing with yourself.
363
00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,535
Am I hungry to compete with myself?
Yeah.
364
00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,375
AJ's boxing camp
had been in Dallas, Texas,
365
00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,695
with a new trainer,
the American Derrick James.
366
00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,575
But for his last week
before the fight,
367
00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,055
he was based in a gym
in Chessington, south-west London.
368
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,415
Ten, yeah? What one?
369
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,575
Up and down.
370
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,575
Oh, shit.
371
00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,815
The conventional wisdom,
for what it's worth, is...
372
00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,575
Well, this was the most-liked
comment under a recent post
373
00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,815
that you put on Instagram was...
You read the comments?
374
00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,735
I read them.
Don't you read the comments?
375
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,775
No way! The most-liked comment
was... Not any more. I never did.
376
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,135
..."You need to put the streets
back in your fight game."
377
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,375
Tell them to shut up. Ask them
how many fights they've had before.
378
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,735
Do you know what I mean?
379
00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,015
Got some geezer on Instagram
telling me what I need to do.
380
00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,015
It's actually Floyd Mayweather.
381
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,335
That's Louis' comment.
382
00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:39,655
Was that your comment?!
Get out of here!
383
00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:45,335
I fought, like, 12 to 13 consecutive
back-to-back world title fights.
384
00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:47,055
Like, you have to adapt,
385
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,295
and you have to change your game
throughout your career.
386
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,575
Oh, this one.
"I'm a great fan of yours,
387
00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,215
"but unless you put the streets
back into your fight..."
388
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,415
That one? Calm down!
I wish I hadn't mentioned it now.
389
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,455
I'm like, "Louis, come on!"
390
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,775
Do you have any other comments?
391
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,055
Yeah, I won't mention
the other comments.
392
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,135
They're even worse.
That was the nicest one.
393
00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,295
"You need to fight like your
opponent is trying to kill you
394
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,975
"and have no fear of getting
knocked out and just get in there
395
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,615
"like you used to do
in the beginning,
396
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,255
"and rip him apart
with bad intentions.”
397
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,255
So I've put, "Frankie, fuck you..."
398
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,295
THEY LAUGH
399
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,575
I'm joking!
400
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,135
Do you enjoy boxing?
401
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,735
Do you know what? I really do.
402
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,255
Do you? Yeah.
403
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,215
But can I be bothered with all
the bullshit that comes with it?
404
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,215
Sometimes it just
turns me off massively. Yeah.
405
00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,975
What's that about?
406
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,055
Like unnecessary pressure,
407
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,655
and people putting their fantasies
on me. Yeah.
408
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,775
I don't live in people's ideologies.
409
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,575
I have my own standards
that I set for myself.
410
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,095
And just because I don't adhere
to what their standards are
411
00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:17,495
doesn't mean I'm wrong,
or they're wrong.
412
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,455
I just believe in what I believe in,
and I'll stick to that.
413
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,335
Why is it so annoying?
414
00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:23,975
Because they don't ask me like you.
415
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,895
They don't sit down
and have a conversation.
416
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,855
It's like,
"I'm going to label Louis as this,
417
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,175
"and I'm just going to keep on
saying that Louis is this."
418
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,775
And it's like, why? If you know me,
and you're from my industry,
419
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,175
why don't you just sit down with me
and have a conversation?
420
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,775
They'll say, you must have heard it,
they'll say, "He's gun shy.
421
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,975
"He hasn't been quite the same
since the Andy Ruiz fight."
422
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,775
How long are we going to hold on
to this Andy Ruiz fight?
423
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,655
It's like, OK, the guy beat me.
I fought him four months later.
424
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,935
AJ's run of successes met
its first real setback in 2019,
425
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,255
when he fought
the Californian Andy Ruiz.
426
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,495
Joshua patiently sizing him up.
427
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,535
Ruiz had stepped in at late notice,
visibly heavy,
428
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,375
and apparently out of shape.
429
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,335
A) had been expected to cruise
to an easy victory,
430
00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,295
but appearances were deceptive.
431
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,255
Somehow staying on his feet.
432
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,255
No idea how.
433
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,735
A clip to the back of the head
in the third round
434
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,415
seemed to disorientate A).
435
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,695
Joshua's down!
436
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,055
The ref eventually ended it
in round seven.
437
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,335
That's it! That is it!
438
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,775
The rematch went to A
after the full 12 rounds.
439
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,295
A year later, he lost to
the Ukrainian Oleksandr Usyk.
440
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,175
The champ is in real trouble here
in round three.
441
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,575
Eight months after that,
the rematch also went against A}.
442
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:52,255
Oleksandr Usyk!
443
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,335
A) did not take the loss well,
dropping the belts out of the ring.
444
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,535
You're a very strong guy.
Very strong.
445
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,095
I don't care about strong.
I have to have skills.
446
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,695
You're not strong.
How did you beat me? How?
447
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,895
At the press conference afterwards,
he became emotional.
448
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:17,495
Well, I'm upset, really, like,
deep down in my heart, and...
449
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,415
Right, OK.
450
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,735
Oh!
451
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,455
His behaviour was widely criticised.
452
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,935
Unfortunately, I came up short.
453
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,015
My opponent was better than me
on the night.
454
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,415
You took the belts
and dropped them over the side...
455
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,895
Oh, yeah. That part...
It was like that,
456
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,575
even though they don't even mean
anything anyway.
457
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,855
Yeah. What? I ain't got them,
so cos I ain't got them,
458
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,415
they don't mean anything now.
That was ego and pride coming out.
459
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,975
Right, your pride, right. Yeah.
460
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,695
Like, I brought this
heavyweight division back.
461
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,855
That's like that was in me,
right or wrong.
462
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,615
But you asked me a question...
Probably wrong, I think.
463
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,855
I don't think anyone says
it was the right thing to do.
464
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,815
You asked me a question,
and I'm answering it.
465
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,935
So I thrown them
because that's what I felt like.
466
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,775
And, yeah, and I grabbed the mic,
I addressed the crowd.
467
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,095
Could I have done it better?
Of course I could have.
468
00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:14,535
But I've just finished
a 12-round fight
469
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,095
and I felt frustrated, annoyed.
470
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,135
I knew I was
out of the title race.
471
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,775
And then the questions started,
472
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,775
"What is he like?
Where's his head at?"
473
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,695
All this, like, "Can he be
three-time champion of the world?"
474
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,975
People now create this narrative
and put pressure on me.
475
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,855
It's, like, too much.
476
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,015
Gone are the days
when it was for the fun,
477
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,055
when you're just doing it for
the passion, you're a prospect.
478
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,495
Let's have a cup of tea. Yeah?
479
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,615
Are you all right?
Yeah, I'm feeling good.
480
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,695
Oh, good, good, good.
Come to the kitchen.
481
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,415
What shall I do, like, one heaped,
like that?
482
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,015
Yes, sir. And then a bit more?
483
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,535
Nah, that's enough.
That's enough? Yeah.
484
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,735
"Former Finchley amateur Joshua
485
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,695
"joins exclusive list
of world heavyweight champs."
486
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,895
But do you know what
I always find interesting?
487
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:15,615
We can't name hardly any
of the previous heavyweights.
488
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,135
World heavyweights, you mean?
Yeah. Champions. Mike Tyson?
489
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,095
But these are...
That's what I was going to say.
490
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,935
We're talking about
the creme de la creme. OK.
491
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,655
And that's what I just realised,
that it's not all so important.
492
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,415
You put so much pressure on yourself
to come and be this big star
493
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,175
and be perfect. I'm telling you,
they'll pull you down.
494
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,895
And the higher you are,
the bigger the drop. Of course.
495
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,535
So that's why I try not to put
too much pressure on myself,
496
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,935
because that big status,
I feel like it drives you away
497
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,855
from some of your core values.
Sounds like you're worried about it.
498
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,255
That's what I get from that.
499
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,855
Because I feel like there's
this inner voice that's telling you,
500
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,575
"It doesn't matter that much.
It doesn't matter that much."”
501
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,255
And I feel like that must mean
that there's another part
502
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,175
that you're not acknowledging that's
saying it does matter that much.
503
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,975
Yeah. Yeah.
I just want to be normal. Yeah?
504
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,375
I just want to be normal,
I don't want to put myself in...
505
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,015
You want to put your feet up,
smoke a bit of gange.
506
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,015
It's just how it is out here.
We get some fly...
507
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,935
What was the term, fly chicks?
508
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,895
Fly chicks and chill.
509
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,375
You rap a little bit.
510
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,895
Yeah, I do, I do like rapping.
511
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,935
I do like rapping.
Have you got any bars?
512
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,975
More freestyle,
but I've got tracks...
513
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,535
Do a freestyle.
Do a freestyle? All right.
514
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,495
# Me and Louis in the kitchen,
having coffee and tea
515
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,895
# Back in the day,
you know that I'll be whippin'
516
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,095
# Big pimpin', Range Rover dippin'
517
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:33,215
# Me and my ninjas never slippin'
518
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,575
# Trigger finger,
you know it stays itchin'
519
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,335
# I just put the clip in. #
520
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,935
What did you say?
521
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,735
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on.
522
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,215
OK, um...
523
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,815
# Here I am with my man, A
524
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,855
# I'm asking questions,
getting all cra-zay
525
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,495
# In a minute, we'll get in the ring
526
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,615
# Watch me, cos I can sting
527
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,775
# I can throw a left,
I can throw a right,
528
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,175
# Put you down all right all night
529
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,535
# You'll be with your feet
laying out, no doubt
530
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,855
# No doubt. #
531
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,735
No doubt. Yeah, no doubt.
532
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,695
Fire in the booth.
Fire in the booth.
533
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,695
Oh, my God. So you've either got it
or you haven't.
534
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,855
That's what these people
don't understand.
535
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,375
That's what I'm saying.
536
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,775
So this is all about your timing.
537
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,455
Yeah. I can't do this one.
It's difficult.
538
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,175
You see what I mean? Yeah.
539
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,815
All about your timing.
It's moving around. I...
540
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,015
That's not happening.
541
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,535
And what's good about this is that,
542
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,495
see how many
punches you're attempting to throw?
543
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,935
Continuous repetition.
Repetition. Repetition. There it is.
544
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,655
Oh, I got it. Told you.
545
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,855
For a minute, I got it.
You versus Kugan.
546
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,535
I'm hurting my knuckles.
If it all goes to pot...
547
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,855
Yeah. You see that?
548
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,375
Yeah. I'm zero for zero.
549
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,215
Never fought. Never lost.
Never won.
550
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,575
Undefeated. I am undefeated!
551
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,455
How many times have you been knocked
down in your professional career?
552
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,695
I mean, in the Andy Ruiz fight,
you were knocked down five times.
553
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,335
Five times, and then once
against Wladimir Klitschko.
554
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,975
What was the worst punch
you ever took, do you think?
555
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,175
To be fair, they're all bad.
556
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,935
Really? They're all bad.
557
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,015
You see in fights sometimes,
where if you come back, like here,
558
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,495
let's say I've landed
a good uppercut, and you're there.
559
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,055
And then you might be out,
or as good as,
560
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,375
but you're being propped up.
And then I can keep punching...
561
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,575
Correct.
..dishing out more punishment,
562
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,535
and that's always the bit
that worries me.
563
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,535
For who, though, who does it worry?
On behalf of the victim.
564
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,255
Why?
Because I'm thinking, "He's gone,
565
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,615
"and the only thing keeping him up
is a rope." Is a rope.
566
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,735
And those punches.
And the punches. Yeah.
567
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,495
And obviously is the ref's job
to step in,
568
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,775
but it's also the idea
of the repeated concussive effect
569
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,935
of the blows dishing out
long-term damage.
570
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,615
Well, I would advise most boxers,
please think of your career after.
571
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,895
You put yourself first
and you look after your health,
572
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,415
because that is the most important
thing in life.
573
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,375
How would you know
if you were beginning
574
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,015
to suffer the effects
of traumatic brain injury?
575
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,255
OK, the medicals,
you do your yearly brain check.
576
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,135
But the thing is...
They can only check so much.
577
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,655
That's what I was going to say.
578
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,295
There's no MRI scan that can show
concussive bruising to the brain.
579
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,975
They can only show... They open up,
sometimes after they're dead,
580
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,975
they open up the brain...
And then they find out.
581
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,855
...and it looks like Swiss cheese.
Yeah.
582
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,215
So you don't know
until it's too late.
583
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,535
Headaches, memory loss. Yeah.
584
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,135
Dementia. Alzheimer's. Parkinson's.
585
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,935
Erratic behaviour.
586
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,775
Mood swings. Depression.
Depression. Yeah.
587
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,695
You know, there's this stigma
that A} can't take a punch.
588
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,935
Al is afraid to get hit.
Who said that? Well, people.
589
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,095
My critics, who are sometimes
the loudest ones in the room.
590
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,815
My goal is to not get knocked out.
591
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,815
My goal is to knock out
my opponents.
592
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,575
Because I'llL never shut my brain
down for the love of the sport.
593
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,655
No way. Cos I know the sport
don't love you back.
594
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,455
It's been reported that you've got
a son called Joseph, is it? Yeah.
595
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,375
JJ, they call him, you call him.
Yeah. He's seven, I believe. Yes.
596
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,775
His mum is someone
you knew for years,
597
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,215
or maybe even a school sweetheart,
called Nicole Osbourne.
598
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,535
Amazing woman, you know.
599
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,855
What year would you have
got together with her, then?
600
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,335
Probably 200...57 Right.
601
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,055
So you would have been about 167
15, 16, yeah. Wow.
602
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,575
But you're not together
with her now? No. No.
603
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,015
But you're friends with her.
Yeah. So much respect.
604
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,615
Do you have a girlfriend?
No, I don't.
605
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,655
Would you say if you did?
Yeah, definitely.
606
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,015
Would you? Yeah. Yeah.
607
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,375
Imagine me going home to my missus
now. She'd be like,
608
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,575
"You denied me," this, that.
That's a good point.
609
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,655
Yeah, I don't want that stress,
I be honest.
610
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,095
I ain't got no missus, no.
611
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,055
Yeah. You've been linked
to Cara Delevingne. Yeah.
612
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,855
Bella Hadid. Yeah.
613
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,295
I haven't actually been
with any of those girls, by the way.
614
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,775
Have you had a lot of girlfriends?
Well...
615
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,135
You don't have to...
I feel slightly vulgar even asking,
616
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,815
but you can answer it if you want.
Yeah, I've had girlfriends.
617
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,055
Do you keep it all on the down low?
No.
618
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,335
How would you meet women if you
were? OK. If you're Anthony Joshua?
619
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,695
Yeah. Well, could be in the local
supermarket, at the petrol station.
620
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,815
Really? Yeah. Could be anywhere.
621
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,935
And then they'd come over
and hang and watch some...?
622
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,135
Whatever is best for her.
However she feels comfortable.
623
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,975
“I'm hungry."
624
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,815
Deliveroo, or we eat out.
How do you feel?
625
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,495
"I'd love to eat out."
No problem.
626
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,775
"You sure won't get
too much attention?"
627
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,935
Nah, nah, I don't mind.
I'm a people's person.
628
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,895
"Where should we go?" You decide.
629
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,455
"Pizza Hut?"
I love a pizza.
630
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,375
Sure, Pizza Hut we go.
631
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,175
How easy is that?
632
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,015
Really? Yeah!
633
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,215
Easy going. Easy going.
634
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,855
But then when they catch feels?
635
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,295
That's when it's like, "Scoot!"
636
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,775
A} LAUGHS
637
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,015
That's when it's like... Really?
638
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,695
Because, OK, the feels is good.
639
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,815
It must mean that we have got
an emotional connection.
640
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,815
Or they're incredibly excited
641
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,335
about being with world-famous
Anthony Joshua.
642
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,975
But when you meet Anthony Joshua,
you'll realise that,
643
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,495
"Oh, he's just one of us."
644
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,375
Without being too specific,
so you don't get stalkers,
645
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,415
but where is your place?
646
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,455
My place is in London. Right.
I still live with my mum.
647
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,895
In our culture, it's like,
you grow up with your family...
648
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,415
You mean in Nigerian culture?
649
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,335
Yeah, like, we grew up in our own
family homes for a long time.
650
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,695
We support our parents.
651
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,975
Like, why am I going to move out
and leave my mum by herself
652
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,175
for some girl?
653
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,375
They say when a woman marries a man,
the man divorces his mum.
654
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,935
Hell no.
655
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,375
No way.
656
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,055
When a man marries,
she becomes a child of the mum.
657
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,455
Wow. Quite traditional.
658
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,855
Yeah, I feel so. Are you?
Yeah, I feel so. Yeah.
659
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,575
Family is the most important thing.
660
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,775
When a girl gets with me,
she ain't just marrying me.
661
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,975
She's marrying my family. Wow.
662
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,335
AJ's family values were instilled
in Watford's Meriden Estate,
663
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,495
north-west of London.
664
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,495
Born to a Nigerian mum, Yeta,
a social worker,
665
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,335
and an Irish Nigerian dad
who wasn't always around.
666
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,415
So this was my gaff down here.
667
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,375
A) remains fiercely loyal
to the area.
668
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,175
Which one were you in?
669
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,255
My house was here. Right.
670
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,455
It's got all the trophies
in the window.
671
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,735
Are those are your trophies?
672
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,615
A) LAUGHS
Nah, nah, nah.
673
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,735
Someone just pulled up.
674
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,495
It might be the owner of the house.
675
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,335
We're the police.
Is this your house?
676
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,495
Yeah. Really?
677
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,855
Do you know who this is?
Yeah. Who is it?
678
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,375
Anthony Joshua.
My G. Give me a spud.
679
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,575
Girls, do you know what
this man is famous for?
680
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,375
Boxing! Jabbing! Jabbing!
681
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,015
How much are you worth now?
I'm broke.
682
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,575
80 mil? I'm broke.
683
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,815
Are you not going to say?
I don't like...
684
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,495
Listen, imagine I said
I was worth this much,
685
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,215
I'd have more people
wanting more money from me.
686
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,295
Do you get people
hitting you up for money?
687
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,055
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
688
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,215
Old people, like, from the manor?
689
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,895
New, old. But it's all love.
690
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,295
I want them to hit me up.
691
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,655
Don't you think they should
stand on their own two feet?
692
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,415
This is the thing. This is where
it's nice to have the conversation
693
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,695
with them, like, some people can't.
694
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,895
Not everyone can be a businessman
or businesswoman. No.
695
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,495
Don't just stand on
your own two feet.
696
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,855
I'm going to give you a leg up.
It's up to you to climb, though.
697
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,495
Imagine me
being in a position I'm like,
698
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,575
"Ah, I've got what I've got
and none of you can get any.”
699
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,375
No, that person's a word
that I don't want to use on camera,
700
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,815
but that's not a good person, man.
701
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,495
You've got to... You should really
try and help others if you can.
702
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,895
It goes a long way. People are
really struggling out here.
703
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,255
Really struggling.
704
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,775
Thank you so much. Oh, my God!
705
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,655
Where do you play football?
He's Luton.
706
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,015
Watch out for him, watch out
for him. Is it? Do your thing,
707
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,135
I wish you well, yeah?
Stay focused.
708
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,255
Oh! Look who it is.
709
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,535
Big man. Oh, my God!
710
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,535
All good?
711
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,055
Is this your aunt's spot, AJ?
Yeah.
712
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,015
Oh, my God, it's open.
713
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,735
You can't just walk in, can you?
Hello.
714
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,975
I'm Louis, nice to meet you.
I'm Louis. I've seen you on TV.
715
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,615
That's right. What's your name?
You do the documentaries.
716
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,015
Wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait.
717
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,255
Louis. Nice to meet you.
What's your name?
718
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,215
I'm Deji.
Deji, nice to meet you.
719
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,415
You've known A} since he was really
small, like basically from a baby.
720
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,535
Since he was born. Really?
721
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,495
What was he like
when he was little? A handful?
722
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,695
No, he was a good boy.
He's always been a good boy.
723
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:30,815
His teenage was even better.
A} LAUGHS
724
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,575
It was after he left here, though,
that he discovered boxing.
725
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,655
Is that right?
726
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,735
Yeah, it was very quick.
It was just like a hobby
727
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,415
or something to keep him out
of trouble initially, wasn't it...
728
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,495
Yeah, yeah.
..you going to the boxing club.
729
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,975
And then next minute, it's like,
"Oh, this is Anthony Joshua."
730
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,855
And everyone knows me as Femi.
Yeah.
731
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,815
Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua.
732
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,495
We've always called you Femi.
But everyone called me Femi
733
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,695
We need to get the word out. Yeah.
734
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:00,135
When I'm talking to you,
I'll say, "How is Femi?"
735
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,575
And I'll say, "OK,
Femi's all right. How is Anthony?"
736
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,895
Yeah. Really?
Cos we can separate the two.
737
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,055
What do you mean by that?
738
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,175
Femi is Femi,
my nephew, my son, family.
739
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,935
But people in the world,
it's Anthony, as a boxer,
740
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,575
so I want to see
how he's feeling in that life,
741
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,175
in that part of his world.
742
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,415
Femi comes first.
Femi comes first.
743
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,655
Would you like to see him
get the belts back?
744
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,175
Yes, of course. He will get...
You will get the belts back.
745
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,735
You will. God willing. Three times
winner. What you call it?
746
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,975
Three times winner.
Yeah, you will.
747
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,335
Three times winner. You will.
748
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,775
God willing. God willing.
749
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,655
Oh, my gosh.
A} LAUGHS
750
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,055
That's Yemi. Is that Yemi?
I haven't got my glasses.
751
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,815
Yeah, that's Yemi.
That's his sister. Yeah.
752
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,375
Rah, Deji, that's jokes, bruv.
That's how I remember Deji.
753
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,095
Are you in this one?
Yeah. In the yellow shirt.
754
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,655
That's you? Yeah.
755
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,375
I was always tall, though.
756
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,895
Yeah, looking at it now...
757
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,975
Like a foot taller than Deji. Yeah.
758
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,015
There's only a month
between you guys, exactly a month.
759
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,215
You remember when you got lost?
760
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,055
Yeah, I remember that as well.
761
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,495
I was at the back, yeah.
762
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,175
Is this you at the back?
763
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,735
When you wore this Adidas shirt,
you always got lost,
764
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,255
so we said, "Don't wear this shirt
when we're going out."
765
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,935
Yeah. The curse of the Adidas shirt.
Yeah. Good times, man.
766
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,775
It was said that you made 20 million
for the fight at the weekend.
767
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,495
No. No?
768
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,575
30. No, I'm joking.
769
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,815
And that you got, what was it,
35 for the Usyk rematch?
770
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,895
Do you know what it is with the...
with the figures and stats?
771
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,695
I think it's...
772
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:51,015
What benefit does it do,
773
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,055
putting those figures and stats
out there for me?
774
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,935
Might make you...feel important.
775
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,935
A} LAUGHS
776
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,695
I mean, you jokingly referred
to Eddie Hearn
777
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,615
and said that you were his cash cow,
right? Yeah.
778
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,455
But I remember I said...
You said jokingly.
779
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,575
Yeah. Would you say it was jokingly?
Yeah, yeah.
780
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,215
There's an element of truth.
781
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,135
There's an element of truth. Mm.
782
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,695
Yes, I am a businessman.
I'm a prize-fighter, yes.
783
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,215
But I've only said once
it's about the money.
784
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,135
Once, at my last press conference.
And the only reason...
785
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,695
No, you also said it when you were
interviewed at the Oxford Union.
786
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,535
They said, "Who are you
at your core?" A businessman.
787
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,935
And you said something like,
“I'm about the money."
788
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,295
Do you know why?
789
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,175
When I watched, like, Holyfield,
Riddick Bowe, and Mike Tyson,
790
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,695
these guys lost so much money.
And what it is...
791
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,535
Yeah, Holyfield,
legendary American heavyweight.
792
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,775
Lost everything.
Must have made tens of millions.
793
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,135
Tens! They could...
They could be billionaires now.
794
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,495
Yeah, and he went bankrupt.
He had nothing.
795
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,055
Tyson went bankrupt as well.
796
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,255
All these things
I was thinking to myself,
797
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,175
"I just don't want to make the same
mistakes," because as a businessman,
798
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,295
you could lose it all
and you can make a comeback.
799
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,935
But as an athlete, you can't go back
and relive your youth,
800
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,135
so everything you do today,
you have to be...
801
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:05,375
...aware that this is
the only chance you have at it.
802
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,975
That's why I said, like,
it's not just about the money,
803
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,215
but I just understand that
this is the only chance I have
804
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,375
at making the money.
805
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,855
With all its hype and myth-making,
806
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,535
it's easy to forget that,
for the fighters,
807
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,495
boxing is mainly
just a way to earn a living...
808
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,055
...though one with
the ever-present possibility
809
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,055
of serious physical harm.
810
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,895
After AJ's fight, I thought
I noticed a muted atmosphere.
811
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,695
How you doing, Louis? How are you
feeling? I feel all right.
812
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,175
You happy? Er...
813
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,775
...I have no emotion.
814
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,935
Really? Yeah, not right now.
Not right now.
815
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,095
Do you know what?
OK, the emotion I feel, right, is,
816
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,135
if I'm going to be
completely honest,
817
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,695
is that I let a lot of people down.
Really? Yeah, in a way.
818
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,295
I'm happy that
I could go the distance,
819
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,095
but in terms of how I feel,
I feel like I let people down
820
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,695
because I'll be honest, no-one
wants to see 12 rounds of boxing.
821
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,495
It's crazy. Mm. And the negative
is we didn't knock him out,
822
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,535
and that's what champs should do.
823
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,815
Going into the ring tonight,
did it feel do or die for you?
824
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,735
I'm a very realistic person, yeah?
825
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,895
Like, life is short.
826
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,855
Don't put that pressure on yourself.
827
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,775
A) seemed to feel conflicted
about the path he was on.
828
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,135
It's a fight, don't get me wrong,
829
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,215
and it's a sport
where you take people out.
830
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:58,895
But I'll be honest with you,
831
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,095
Mike Tyson went 12 rounds
with people like Pinklon Thomas
832
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,815
and I think it was Tony Tubbs?
833
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,535
Tony Tucker.
Tony Tucker, yeah, he went 12.
834
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,775
What's wrong with me
going 12 rounds?
835
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,095
A consummate athlete
beloved by millions
836
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,295
who also risked his health
every time he fought,
837
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,015
he embodied the painful tensions
inherent to boxing,
838
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,215
the heroism and the foolhardiness,
839
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,295
along with the question
of when it's time to stop.
840
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,255
One or two commentators
of some credibility, ex-boxers,
841
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,815
have said,
“I don't know why he doesn't retire.
842
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,455
"His heart's not in it. He says
he's just doing it for money.
843
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,335
"Money is not a reason.
844
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,535
“If he doesn't really want to do it,
he shouldn't be doing it."
845
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,655
Sometimes it leaves me speechless,
because everything I say,
846
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,775
are we going to dissect every little
thing that comes out of my mouth
847
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,615
and use it as a narrative
to create a story?
848
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,655
That's why sometimes
I just keep myself to myself.
849
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,215
If we take the money part out...
850
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,575
No, but the money thing's
a massive issue, right?
851
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,055
Well, I think... What I'm trying
to explain here... OK, go on.
852
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,135
...is that people
are living in their own head.
853
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,295
They put their own thoughts
and make it my reality.
854
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,175
They don't ask me the question.
855
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,215
If it is about the money,
yeah, it plays a part,
856
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,055
but I'm passionate.
This is all I know.
857
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,695
This is what I dedicate my life to.
858
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,655
Do I want to get myself to
the championship? I would love to.
859
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,855
Am I going to be smart
in how I get there? Yeah.
860
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,815
Do I know a lot more about boxing
than I used to? 100%.
861
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,535
Am I still trying to improve
as a boxer? Yeah.
862
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,975
How come he doesn't fight with
the same passion he used to?
863
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,975
Because I'm a better boxer
than I was then.
864
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,935
From where I began to going on
to achieving, it's never enough.
865
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,295
Will he ever be three-time champ
in the world?
866
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,935
It's just too much.
867
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,615
Maybe I should stop
if I can't deal with it.
868
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,135
Innit.
869
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,775
Whether my head's
in a good or a bad place,
870
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,295
it's better than where I started.
871
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,775
So I'm going to keep on
marching through hell
872
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,575
like I own this motherfucker, and
I'm going to keep on raising hell.
873
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,375
And then when I'm done,
I know I would have conquered,
874
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,735
conquered my own self, conquered
everything that I wanted to conquer,
875
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,535
and I'll move on to
a different transition of my life.
876
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,055
I'm glad we spoke.
877
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,415
I learned that you can rap. Yes.
878
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,695
All these type of things.
I think you were better.
879
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,655
I would say you were better,
to be fair. No. Honestly.
880
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,055
Yeah?
I think you were really good.
881
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,255
Let's stop there. Thank you.
882
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,015
Louis is like, "Thank God for that!
883
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,775
"Never get them hours back.”
884
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,535
Oh, my goodness.
885
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,095
He's like, "My God, I tried to
knock him out in round one.
886
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,895
"He kept on coming back."
Louis, fire Louis.
887
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,135
A} LAUGHS
888
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,975
Brilliant.