1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,735 LADY SPEAKING FRENCH 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,455 This program me contains strong language 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,375 That sounded quite good. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:13,815 Yeah, some good stuff, actually. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,895 Was that an audio book? No, it wasn't. 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,335 It's just a bit of music, but it was just too, maybe too relaxing. 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,615 It's put me in a nirvana-like state. 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,575 Just be on the ball, right? Yeah. 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,975 How you feeling this morning? 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,775 Rudely looked in your bag. 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,135 You brought some of the good stuff. 12 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:33,415 We're going to dip into that. 13 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,815 What actually is that? 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,815 That is blackcurrant juice. Yeah. 15 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,935 But, like, kind of like alcohol Ribena? 16 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,375 No. Taste it. Have a swig. 17 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,775 Are you serious? Yeah, get it down you, Louis. 18 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,295 That's not... That's... That's got something... 19 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,815 That's...erm... 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,615 That's got some kind of alcohol content. 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,575 No of fence. What is it? 22 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,295 None taken. It's rum. 23 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,015 That's rum? 24 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,335 Come on, then. 25 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,615 In a quiet corner of northern France, 26 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,535 I was with the rock star Pete Doherty. 27 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,655 What a mess, huh? 28 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,815 What a dump! 29 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,775 That's the line, isn't it? 30 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,735 A one-time hell-raiser with an extensive list of hits 31 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,935 and criminal convictions, 32 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:29,855 Pete had invited me for a dip into his new, more sedentary life. 33 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,575 Oh, that's quite comfy. 34 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,375 Tres comfortable. Oui, c'est Mage. 35 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,695 Are you fluent? 36 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,935 I probably should be more fluent than I am. 37 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:39,575 Shall we do it in French or English? 38 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,615 Let's try it in English. 39 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,095 Could be a short interview in French. 40 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,135 Yeah. Ca va? 41 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,775 Tres bien. Ooh la la. 42 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,415 Yeah, come on. Fuck it. we'll do it in French. 43 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:09,215 In Normandy is a seaside town of not many more than 1,000 souls. 44 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,735 For the last three years, since moving from Margate, 45 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,655 one of them has been Pete. 46 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,295 Do you come down here of a day? Yeah. 47 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,415 Sometimes I come down with a paper and sit. Yeah. 48 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,335 Do you ever perform in the bars? 49 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,215 I play here a lot, yeah. Do you? 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,935 I get a free meal and that, yeah. Seriously? 51 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,575 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 52 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,495 Though he still travels for occasional gigs 53 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,815 and live appearances, most of the time he lives here, 54 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,375 trying to stay out of trouble, maintaining his longest stretch 55 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,135 of semi-sobriety since he first came to fame 20 years ago. 56 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:47,415 It feels like we're on holiday. 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,495 Just you and me. Look at that. 58 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,815 Yeah, it's bonkers, isn't it? That's proper old. 59 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,455 That's lovely. 60 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,455 They don't make them like that any more. 61 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,495 I owe him money, though. Don't want to go in there. 62 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,295 No, you don't! For what? Yeah, I do. 63 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,335 Just for a meal. I said I'd pop back and pay. 64 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,815 I didn't. You'll get a reputation. 65 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,935 We're very excited to welcome a marvellous new band to the show, 66 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,455 The Libertines. 67 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,855 Pete is the poster boy for rock and roll excess. 68 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,095 Coming to fame with the group The Libertines, 69 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,855 where in partnership with Carl Barat in the early 2000s, 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,415 his literate indie rock revived the UK music scene. 71 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,575 The winners are The Libertines! 72 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,255 Kicked out of the group, he formed Babyshambles. 73 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,455 # Fuck forever 74 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,415 # If you don't mind... # 75 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,255 But more than his records, 76 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,775 Pete has been known for his run-ins with the law... 77 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,495 Are you worried about today? 78 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,135 I'm bricking it a little bit. 79 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,095 ...a high-profile relationship with Kate Moss... 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,375 Pete, Pete, how are you feeling tonight? 81 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,775 ...and his long, damaging love affair with heroin. 82 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,375 # Fuck forever 83 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,415 # If you don't mind... # 84 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,735 I was curious to get to know the recently tamed rock beast 85 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,935 and to reflect on his past and his future. 86 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,935 Tell me where we are. 87 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,135 We are in my atelier, a fancy French word for studio, yeah, 88 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,735 which is becoming more of a makeshift storage space 89 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,055 for all my bits. Al the artefacts of the shipwreck of my life. 90 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,735 Yeah. 91 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,095 That caught my eye. 92 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,535 Oh, my God, I know. And mine. 93 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,455 I saw that, I didn't... What's that all about? 94 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,935 I don't know. It's just an old suitcase, had loads of stuff in, 95 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,295 hadn't opened it for ages, and then, bang, when I opened it, 96 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,535 "Do not touch." 97 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,615 It is quite a strange thing to have on your suitcase. 98 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,735 Especially inside the suitcase. 99 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,575 By the time you've got it open, it's too late. Mmm. 100 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,335 This is fun. 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,135 The young Pete Doherty. 102 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,455 At the National Portrait Gallery. 103 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,175 You know, you're starting to make me look like I've just got, like, 104 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,935 this locker room full of Kate Moss memories or something. 105 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,775 That's complete chance. 106 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,975 I saw her actually on a Diet Coke advert the other day. 107 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,255 "Coca Cola." 108 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,535 That's what she'd say in the morning to her assistant, like, "Coca Cola." 109 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,175 And then I learned Donald Trump does the same thing. 110 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,495 It put me off a bit. Drinking Coke? 111 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,975 Well, ordering it from her assistant all the time. Really? 112 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,255 "Coca Cola." 113 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:44,335 Pete's studio was a testament to the years he spent writing, 114 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,615 making music, creating art. 115 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,695 When the time came to talk, however, 116 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,655 we've started unavoidably on the subject of drugs. 117 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,215 OK, ready? Here we go. 118 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,975 So I was, um... 119 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,335 I've been watching videos online, old and new, Libertines 120 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,735 and Babyshambles. 121 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,695 And under one of them, one of the comments was, 122 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,775 "Pete Doherty, a talented and brilliant young drug addict 123 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,375 "whose life was tragically derailed by writing and performing music." 124 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,175 Oh, I see. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. 125 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,335 Yeah, was that just some random comment? 126 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,735 It was the most liked. Yeah. 127 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,495 we'll have to try and get in touch with them. 128 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:26,775 Get them working with PR. 129 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,655 But do you think there's anything in... Not... 130 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,095 Obviously, that's a joke, right? 131 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,575 But the idea that, that the two are sort of intertwined and part of 132 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,735 what drugs gave you was a sense of raising the stakes on everything. 133 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,255 It gave it a life or death intensity, 134 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:44,455 the sort of sense that you're dancing on the rim of a volcano? 135 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,095 I think so, yeah. 136 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,775 I think I definitely fancied myself as this, this rim dancer. 137 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,575 We wanted to die for something. 138 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,375 We felt like... Did you? Yeah. 139 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,655 Do you mean literally? Yeah, I think so. 140 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,775 For? For something worth dying for, basically. 141 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,255 And in your case, it was? 142 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,335 This crackpot vision of England that I had. 143 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,015 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, just being able to enjoy, appreciate, 144 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,935 be moved by, be consumed by poetry. 145 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,695 The poetry and history of England. 146 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,735 When you won your NME Band of the Year award in 2004, 147 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,855 you did Siegfried Sassoon's Suicide in the Trenches. Yeah. 148 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,415 Shall I get that on YouTube? 149 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,015 Yeah, no, I don't want to see that. 150 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,615 I don't want to see that. The... 151 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,375 Why don't you want to see that? 152 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,455 I don't know. Just, I don't like to see myself on screen. 153 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,695 Go on. Ready? 154 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,735 'Listen, though, just give us two seconds, right? Calm.' 155 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,055 Yeah, no. 156 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,855 Yeah, I do look like I'm about to drop dead any second, though. 157 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,175 Look at the state of me. 158 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,815 He slept soundly through the lonesome dark... 159 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,295 And whistled early with the lark. 160 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,775 'You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye 161 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,175 'who cheer as soldier boys march by, 162 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,215 'Sneak home and pray' 163 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,615 you'll never know 164 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,255 The hell where youth and laughter go. 165 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,975 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 166 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,175 Carl looks like he's, he looks like he's a bit embarrassed. 167 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,015 Had you prepped it or not? 168 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,695 I don't think so, no. 169 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,415 But he had... one of the first things... 170 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,095 He happened to know it by heart as well. 171 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,495 It's quite striking. Well, he'd set that to music. 172 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,015 # I knew a simple soldier boy... # 173 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,695 Hank Williams skiffly guitar riff 174 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,815 with Siegfried Sassoon poetry over it, yeah. 175 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,135 What's not to like? Know what I mean? Like... 176 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,415 How important to your musical journey was meeting Carl? 177 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,415 I had this big... I had this big dream 178 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,695 that I was going to get to London 179 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,535 and just get a band together, 180 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:00,175 and I was going to find a guitarist 181 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,975 that was going to put this magical music to all my amazing lyrics. 182 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,815 And then I met Carl and he was like, 183 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,175 "No, no, no. If we're going to do this, I'm singing too. 184 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,575 "You're going to have to learn to play the guitar properly.” 185 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,495 But meeting Carl and, like, getting Carl to, 186 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,615 trying to get some momentum behind our songwriting, 187 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,335 which I was inspired by from the start, 188 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:30,975 was probably the most transformative thing in my life, really. 189 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,535 HE EXHALES 190 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,175 Free with the Observer, imagine that. 191 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,575 Free with the Observer. They were giving them away! 192 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,775 Narcissist. That was a good song, that. 193 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,215 Can't Stand Me Now. Yeah. 194 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,455 How does that one go? 195 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,775 # It was an ending fitting for the start 196 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,695 # How you twisted and tore our love apart 197 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,295 # Your light fingers through the dark 198 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,055 # Shattered the lamp into darkness 199 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,735 # You've caused us... # 200 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,735 That's Carl's line and then I say, 201 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,335 # No, mate, you've got it the wrong way round 202 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,535 # You shut me out, you tried to blame it on the brown 203 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:28,815 # Cornered the boy, kicks out at the world 204 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,855 # The world kicks back a lot fucking harder now 205 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:38,735 # You can't stand me, no, you can't stand me now... # 206 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,855 It's a love song of sorts... 207 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,055 Yeah, it is, yeah. 208 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,255 ...about friendship gone wrong. Yeah. 209 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,775 Was your relationship on the rocks at the time? 210 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,375 Yeah, I think we wrote it and recorded it really, 211 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,575 really quickly, just as it was falling apart. 212 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,855 20047 Yeah. 213 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,655 You OK? Yeah. 214 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:11,935 Yeah. 215 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,975 In the background to Pete's rehabilitation 216 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,575 is his relationship with his wife of two years 217 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,615 and partner of more than ten, Katia de Vidas, 218 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,455 a musician and film-maker. 219 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,775 DOG BARKS LOUDLY Oh, jeez. 220 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,335 He's called the dogs on us. 221 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,455 Hello? What about the weather? 222 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:41,135 Flipping heck! 223 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,215 Two months ago, the two of them were joined by a baby girl. 224 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,215 As the family get settled, they've been staying in a large, 225 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,855 rambling house belonging to Katia's parents. 226 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,255 How do you do? I'm Louis. 227 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,895 I'm Katia. Nice to meet you. 228 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,815 Thank you for having us. Welcome. 229 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:00,975 And this must be... 230 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,535 This is Billie-May. Billie-May. 231 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:05,895 So cute. Wow! She's brand-new. 232 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,135 She's a month and a half. 233 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,735 She looks like you, Pete. 234 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,015 Do you think so? The poor thing. 235 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,815 Le pauvre enfant! 236 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,815 Is she a good sleeper? She's a good sleeper. 237 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,415 It's the days that are difficult. 238 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,095 How are you finding it, Pete? Er... 239 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,655 Yeah, no, I'm all right. 240 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:25,175 Yeah, I mean, Katia is doing wonders, you know? 241 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,695 So, we're all right, ain't we? Yeah. 242 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,095 Yeah. I mean, it's all so new, you know? Mmm. 243 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,295 This is your third tour of duty, though, isn't it, 244 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,855 with a little 'un? well, yeah, 245 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,815 technically, I do have two other children, 246 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,695 but I wasn't really part of their... Their upbringing? 247 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,655 ...their daily, their daily upbringing, no. 248 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:43,975 Be a bit different this time around? Hope so, for her sake. 249 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,095 Yeah, different times. 250 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,215 Oh, thank you! Say hello to uncle Louis. 251 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,655 Here we go. 252 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:51,815 Got to support their heads, don't you? 253 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,215 Because they're very... they're very precious. 254 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,935 They're very precious. 255 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,735 What is it? Are you OK? 256 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,975 Are you OK? What is it? 257 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,415 How about this? 258 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,535 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. 259 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:10,055 Oh, oh, oh, oh. 260 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,735 Oh, oh... 261 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,655 How long have you been together? 262 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:15,375 Ten, 12 years. 263 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,055 And may I ask how you met? 264 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,175 I'd been hired to film a Babyshamble gig. 265 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,775 Then we had a great friendship for years before we got together. 266 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,375 And then we got together. 267 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,415 When you fell in love with Pete, what did you fall in love with? 268 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,935 I guess a life a bit less ordinary. 269 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,215 And he was hilarious and charming and intelligent. All right! 270 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,095 KATIA LAUGHS Aww, 271 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,175 You know, Katia, you would have known Pete 272 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,215 when he was active in his addiction. 273 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,175 That must have been difficult at times. 274 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,015 Well, it's a roller-coaster, active addiction. 275 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,095 But as bad as it sounds, he was manageable for a while. 276 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,335 He was all right. 277 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,735 Are you having to hide it, or are you doing it openly? 278 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,735 That was the thing. Yeah, I'd never hide it. 279 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,855 Katia was never, ever interested in drugs herself. 280 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,335 And so around Katia, I probably used to be, 281 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,655 not under manners, 282 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:08,775 but there wasn't that frantic need to score 283 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,975 like when you hang around with other addicts. 284 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,575 Was there ever a time when it felt like, it's either me or the drugs? 285 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,895 Yeah. The last two years of active addiction. 286 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,935 We were back in England and, you know, that was too much for me. 287 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,535 Yeah, well, that's why I'm clean, really, now. 288 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,495 That was in Margate, was it? Yeah. 289 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,575 I wouldn't have stopped, I don't think, 290 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,975 if Katia hadn't given me the ultimatum. 291 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,335 You know, especially because she wanted a child. 292 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,495 She's like, you can't just have a child while you're like this. 293 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,935 In Margate, you were like a magnet to jerks. 294 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,615 They came to get money, drugs. 295 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,775 They were like old school Margate boys 296 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,255 and had been using for many years 297 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,495 and trying to do creative things but not really getting anywhere. 298 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,095 And then all of a sudden, it was sort of dum, dum, dum. 299 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,415 There were just those six months where everyone died. Like... 300 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,135 And you were going to be next. 301 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,695 That's why we like, 302 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,415 "Allez, let's go, let's leave, let's stop this.” 303 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,895 And then I ended up really close to going to jail in France. 304 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,255 And so I was put on probation and we used this address. 305 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,535 So that was December 2019. 306 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,935 And then the pandemic happened. 307 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,575 It was like, fuck, all these forces are conspiring 308 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,295 against my drug use. 309 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,375 And that was like a big... some sort of message from God. 310 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,335 So I kind of just went, phew, and just sat, sat here, really. 311 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,175 So I got off the gear, yeah, about that time. 312 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,695 PETE SINGS IN FRENCH 313 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,095 # Le chanson du... # 314 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,855 Do you remember that, The London Paper? Dimly. 315 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,695 "Doherty banned from London." 316 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,855 I think you quite liked that, didn't you? Absolutely. 317 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,415 Yeah, well proud of it. 318 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,375 What was going through your head, do you think, at that time? 319 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,255 “I've got to change my life"? "This is fun"? 320 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,095 “I need to get some drugs quick because I'm jonesing"? 321 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,335 All of the above? 322 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,295 No, I think I would probably have been prepared. 323 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,655 If I was going into court, I probably would've had 324 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,775 a little something bold. What? Had a wee nip on the way in? 325 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,575 Well, no, I would have had something stuffed up my arse, 326 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,855 in readiness for if they sent me down. 327 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,655 Seriously? Yeah. 328 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,815 Wrapped in a condom or something? 329 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,815 Wrapped in a bit of clingfilm and then a little bit of... 330 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,815 Vaseline? Butter. New Zealand butter. 331 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,095 This was before I tasted Normandy butter, 332 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,255 which is definitely the creamiest. 333 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,055 Yeah, it was, I suppose seems a little bit grotty and... 334 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,495 But you're just... 335 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,895 What, putting drugs up your bum? What's grotty about that? 336 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,575 And then taking it out and then... Yeah! 337 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,055 But at the time it's... 338 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,295 It's just your main focus and concern. 339 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,895 Nothing else really matters because you could be doing that, 340 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,095 you know, you could be doing that in a cell or, you know, 341 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:14,415 you could be doing it in a suite at the Ritz. 342 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,175 It didn't really matter to me. 343 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,175 What about this bit? 344 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,375 "He then sped away in a car, blowing kisses 345 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,055 "and flicking V-signs at fans and press." 346 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,375 That's hard to do at the same time as well! 347 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,255 There was more than ten years after this 348 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,615 in which the ups and downs continued. 349 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,895 It makes you think, I must have, 350 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,775 must have thought it was all worth it, to go through that. 351 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,175 Worth it, or you were in the grips of something you couldn't control? 352 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,055 Pete's chronic drug use has, over the years, led inevitably 353 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,295 to chaos, not least his more than 15 criminal convictions 354 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,975 and several stints in jail. 355 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:04,175 The singer Pete Doherty has been arrested again just hours 356 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,655 after appearing in court on drugs charges. 357 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,375 He's being held on suspicion of possessing Class A drugs 358 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,255 with intent to supply. 359 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,415 Through the 2000s, Pete was the most visible member 360 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,735 of a circle of heroin-using bohemians 361 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,455 who seemed to attract trouble. 362 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,975 In 2006, at a party thrown by one of Pete's friends, 363 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,695 the young actor Mark Blanco lost his life 364 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,255 in circumstances that are still disputed. 365 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,655 I wondered about Pete's attitude to the mayhem 366 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,495 and tragedy that had followed him. 367 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:39,735 Hang on. 368 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,135 One of the allegations over the years 369 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,455 made by people in your orbit, or formerly in your orbit, 370 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:52,095 is that you've enabled other people, that you've brought people down. 371 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:55,855 Do you think you've ever been guilty of glamorising heroin use? 372 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,215 Whether it was intentional or not is a different subject matter, 373 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,455 but probably, yeah. 374 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,055 Because at the time everything was so vivid 375 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,535 and really, it was magical to me. 376 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,695 It's just, I was so enamoured by it all, you know? 377 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,895 But what has hurt is when... 378 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,975 I think it was my mum actually showed me an article. 379 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,655 Don't know why she showed me it. Frigging... it destroyed me, 380 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,655 about a mother whose son had died from drugs, 381 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,935 and she insisted that the only reason he'd done drugs 382 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,935 was because I'd, you know... 383 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,735 So was it someone you knew? No. 384 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,375 But that hurt and made me, made me think. 385 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,095 I mean, I probably, if I thought about it fully, 386 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,375 I'd refuse to accept that responsibility. 387 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,535 But it did touch a nerve. 388 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,975 So we should talk about Mark Blanco, who was a young man, 389 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,375 a young actor, amateur actor, who died in circumstances 390 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,775 that are still disputed, from head injuries sustained 391 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,175 after either falling off or being thrown off 392 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,935 a first-floor balcony in East London. 393 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,735 It was at a party you were at, at the house of, 394 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,335 was it Paul Roundhill? Mmm. 395 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,655 Mark Blanco's mum, Sheila, had led a campaign ever since 396 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,575 trying to establish what exactly happened. Yeah. 397 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,255 You can't, you couldn't blame her for that either. No. 398 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,655 Her son fell to his death, and some people, I think, 399 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,255 genuinely believe was thrown to his death. 400 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,935 And then I'm on camera running away. 401 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,415 Past his dying body. Yeah. 402 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,855 I never met Sheila Blanco, you know, but... 403 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,655 I can understand, like, you know what I mean, her anger, and... 404 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,135 I think her anger at me is... well, it is misplaced, 405 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,935 although it's also shady and, like... 406 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:46,975 ...fucked up. 407 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,575 He'd been happy for me to know about this play he was doing called 408 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,215 Accidental Death of an Anarchist, 409 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,735 about a guy who falls to his death 410 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,095 from a balcony. From police custody, yeah. 411 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,215 And so I was really... I was quite excited. 412 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,375 But then when I met him, there was a bit of a friction between us. 413 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,975 On the night in question? 414 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,055 On the night in question, it's, that's all... 415 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,135 That's just all there lurking in the past, really. 416 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,655 Yeah. 417 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,735 No-one knows really what happened, because no-one saw it. 418 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,735 I certainly didn't see it. 419 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,215 He was being... I think it's widely acknowledged, 420 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,535 he was being a bit drunk and maybe in your face. 421 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,615 I couldn't connect with him at all. Something weird was going on. 422 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,215 Like, that girl I was with at the time, I can't remember her name, 423 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,295 but it was her 18th birthday, I think, as well. 424 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,975 And she was barefoot. 425 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,855 And there was something fucked up happening, the place we were at. 426 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,935 Some party had got well out of control. 427 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,095 So we went to Paul's, 428 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:47,695 and it turned out not to be a place of refuge, because Mark was there 429 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,855 and he was drunk and there was a scene and he was... 430 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,495 I'm giving you, I'm giving you all this background information. 431 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,575 I don't know why. Probably shouldn't really be talking about it, 432 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,095 but I'm trying to set up for you... 433 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,375 I think it's helpful to understand what happened. 434 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,935 Well, I was mentioning that girl only because that's why we ran, 435 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,495 basically, because this poor girl was in the midst of all this. 436 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,335 Aside from the fact that I had drugs on me 437 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:13,375 and I was being arrested left, right and centre then. 438 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,775 You know, there was murder enquiries about this. 439 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,335 I just remember feeling so much fucking relief 440 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:23,855 when I told the police what I knew 441 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,535 and they believed me. 442 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,895 I have never expressed myself well on this 443 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,895 because I'll never feel that... 444 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,455 you can't comment on someone else's grief like that, 445 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,775 you know what I mean? You can't. 446 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,615 And so everything I say about it... 447 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,615 ...I just feel like I just tie myself in knots about it, because... 448 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,415 because of how I really remember it 449 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:51,215 is that he was being an arsehole that night. He was out of his nut. 450 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,135 The other key detail in the case is that someone then went and said 451 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,175 that they pushed him off the balcony, and that was 452 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,095 an associate of yours called Johnny Headlock, 453 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,255 who on the night did have an altercation, 454 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,975 that's established, with Mark Blanco... Yes. 455 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,695 There was an altercation with Mark Blanco. 456 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,735 We all had an altercation with Mark Blanco. 457 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,495 There was pushing and shoving. 458 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,615 And so it's this childish playground thing going on. 459 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,815 And then the next thing is, like, he's on the floor 460 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,735 and his skull's cracked open. 461 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:23,975 And then... 462 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,615 No, I probably didn't take it seriously enough at that moment. 463 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,295 Maybe I should have just stood my ground, 464 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,855 take a deep breath, 465 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,975 you know, and had the fucking balls just to like, you know, 466 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,335 flush everything down the toilet and be there when the police came. 467 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,135 But I didn't want to see the police. I didn't want to. 468 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,375 It was a fucking inconvenience to me. 469 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,935 And that's an awful thing to say, you know what I mean? 470 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,335 Because he's lying there dead on the street 471 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:54,895 and I was more concerned about getting nicked for possession. 472 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,335 And this... 473 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,095 This poor girl is like, what the... 474 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,335 And I saw her again in Paris a couple of years later, 475 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:05,815 and I was in a bar in Paris, and she was there with her then boyfriend. 476 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,335 And then the barman had been a friend. 477 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:10,975 I keep bumping into friends of Mark Blanco's all over the world. 478 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,415 And this guy refused to serve me. 479 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,415 He said, "I know you, Doherty." 480 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,935 And this girl was there. 481 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,295 And she was you like, "He didn't kill anyone."” 482 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,895 So that was enough for me for a long time, 483 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,295 to know I didn't kill him. 484 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,215 But actually, that's not really what it's about, is it? 485 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,255 Shall we take a break? 486 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,695 Yeah, OK, yeah. Yeah. 487 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,655 You can gather yourself. Yeah, thanks. Take five. 488 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,855 The questions around Mark Blanco's death remain unresolved. 489 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,215 The man known as Johnny Headlock retracted his confession, 490 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,015 claiming he was out of his mind on cocaine when he made it. 491 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,255 Police say the case is still open. 492 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,095 Back in England, 493 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:22,255 and Pete had been given a weekend pass from his French exile 494 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,055 to join The Libertines for a gig at a festival 495 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,455 called Secret Garden Party. 496 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,695 I was joining them, hoping it might be a chance to meet the rest 497 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,615 of the band, and in particular, 498 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,415 Pete's friend and creative partner, Carl. 499 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,415 Their fractious relationship and its many ups and downs 500 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,175 is part of Libertines lore. 501 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,815 They were staying at a hotel a short drive from the festival. 502 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,615 Room service. Hello, Louis. 503 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,095 How you doing? You all right? 504 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,055 Look at you. That looks comfortable. 505 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,255 Come in. Can I? 506 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,215 This feels a bit... it's a bit Hugh Hefner, isn't it? 507 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,615 Ooh! 508 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,255 You looking forward to the show? I suppose so, yeah. 509 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,655 And I know, as we get closer to the show, 510 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,415 things get a little bit twitchy. A bit twitchy? 511 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,855 I'm not worried about the people, it's not nerves about that 512 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,815 or the show. It's more... 513 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,895 being onstage with The Libertines itself for me 514 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,295 is more challenging than the crowd, you know. 515 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,535 It's more thinking about Carl and what sort of mood's he in. 516 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,055 Yeah, although I wonder what he's like onstage before his... 517 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,135 Do you know what we should do? What room's he in? 518 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,855 Normally he checks if I've got a bigger suite than him or not. 519 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,695 No, he doesn't. He does. 520 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,975 Here we are, this is Gary, our drummer. 521 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,815 Oh, hi, Gary. That's Louis. How you doing? 522 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,615 Nice to meet you, Gary. Good to meet you. 523 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,255 I'll leave you guys to it. Do a good show. 524 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,935 See you in a second. See you in a sec, cool. 525 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,495 Well, well, well, the pig man, what you doing? 526 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,215 I'm good, man. Good, yeah. 527 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,255 This is my new friend, Louis. 528 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,375 This was Pete's idea. He wanted to ambush you. 529 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,215 How you doing? Louis. Nice to meet you, Carl. 530 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,935 Nice to meet you. A pleasure. 531 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,135 There was a famous incident when Pete, and forgive me 532 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,095 if this is painful to bring up, that you broke into Carl's flat. 533 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:15,415 What had happened? 534 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,095 They were doing these gigs without me. 535 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,655 He did Glastonbury... We did a bunch of gigs without you. 536 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,095 So I'd gone around to speak to Carl and beg him and say, 537 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,255 "Look, I know you're worried about the drugs, 538 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,615 "but please don't carry on without me." 539 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,535 Basically what happened was that it was very difficult for Peter 540 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,415 to arrive at the same time at places 541 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,135 and do the same things that was MO of the band. 542 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,855 I was in my honeymoon period with crack and heroin, 543 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,175 basically, thinking that I could handle everything and do this stuff. 544 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,855 And so I'd gone around to speak to him, 545 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,815 kicked the door in, realised he's not there, 546 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,935 and then, yeah, I've done, like, you know, very, really stupidly, 547 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,015 I've taken some video, things like that. 548 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,695 And then so I was in Japan doing the most painful tour of my life, 549 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,615 just like the guilt tour, thinking I was doing the right thing 550 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,335 for my friend and his addiction, 551 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,455 having my own addiction issues myself. With what? Anything. 552 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,815 Powder, and, well, not anything. 553 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,855 You know, I'd constantly have people telling me, 554 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,935 "Your friend's gone off the rails, you've got to do something. 555 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,575 "You've got to sort it out, you've got to look after him. 556 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,575 "Can't let him do this, you can't let him do that.” 557 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,815 And you know, you've seen the man, he's a rule unto himself. 558 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,535 And I knew that I had to keep the band together. 559 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,215 And I knew we had these commitments and I knew that Pete was 560 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,975 running around with the crew, who weren't my crew, and it wasn't me. 561 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,495 So I felt he was, he was getting away from me. 562 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,135 And so, and going on this tour, 563 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,495 and it felt like, it felt like I was breaking our bond, 564 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,495 our pact and everything that we'd sworn in blood together. 565 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,815 And so, although Peter says he got kicked out the band, 566 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,935 it was never... that was never the case, but of course, 567 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,695 he didn't see it that way. 568 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,895 But, yeah, it was a tough time and I didn't, 569 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,615 I didn't get any pleasure from doing that whatsoever. 570 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,295 Wow, it's still quite real for you, isn't it? Yeah. 571 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,655 Yeah. It was... it was quite heartbreaking, really. 572 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,935 We're both romantics, we both believed in it all so much 573 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,695 and you know when there's just fuck all you can do about something. 574 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,895 It's just... 575 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,095 That's all right, I accept your apology. It's fine. 576 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,135 Oh, what? Do you apologise? Oh, no, no, no. 577 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,695 You're all right, man. I forgave you ages ago. You're all right. 578 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,375 Did you forgive yourself? Come here. 579 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,975 Come! Come on. 580 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,575 Good session, guys. I think we had a breakthrough today. 581 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,215 Same time next week? 582 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,935 After you. Thank you. 583 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,215 No way. Shake your hand. 584 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,295 Because I'm a mate of Louis Theroux? 585 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,935 Wicked! Fancy it later? Are you staying here? 586 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,575 Yeah, I'll be around, yeah. 587 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,815 Teetotal? Or are you still? 588 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,135 Yeah, I'm trying to, like... I've stopped the hard stuff, 589 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,375 you know what I mean? Yeah. 590 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,255 But it's hard, the teetotal thing, especially on a gig day. 591 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,695 But I'll go a week without having a drink. 592 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,695 Are you going to be partying tonight? 593 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,455 Yeah, why not? Why, you offering? What you got? 594 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,895 Absolutely nothing. No, I was joking... 595 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,055 No, I can tell, this one's got the good stuff, man. 596 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,295 What you doing, Louis? Don't back off! What you doing? 597 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,935 All right. Catch you up. 598 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,735 With show time approaching, we made our way to the festival, 599 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,775 linking up with fourth band member John, the bassist. 600 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,215 I wasn't sure what the pre-show routine might entail. 601 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,295 I just know I hadn't expected an ice bath. 602 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,975 The bath was followed by some fortifying shots of tequila 603 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,535 and then it was time to hit the stage. 604 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,615 # Now don't look back into the sun 605 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,335 # Now you know the time is come 606 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,455 # And they said that it would never come for you 607 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,215 # Oh, oh, oh... # 608 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,735 The Libertines were never known for their disciplined live shows, 609 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,135 but what they lacked in tightness was more than made up for 610 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,055 with a sense of unruly authenticity and band chemistry. 611 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,215 It was oddly heartening to see the rock and roll romance 612 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,415 of the two front men still alive. 613 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,255 We are The Libertines. 614 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,815 Goodnight, campers! 615 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,615 After the show, the merrymaking continued. 616 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,575 When I left, the party was still in full flow. 617 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,895 THEY SING RAUCOUSLY 618 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,175 Back in France, and by now, Pete had by told me the details 619 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,575 of the incident in 2019 which had led to his coming to Etretat. 620 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,615 High on a cocktail of drugs and alcohol in Paris, 621 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,775 he'd attacked a man on a scooter, 622 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,615 been arrested raging at the police, 623 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,175 then urinated on the counter of the police station. 624 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,455 At court, he'd been convicted, 625 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,415 but unexpectedly released on police recognisance. 626 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,255 Lovely, merci. 627 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,655 What were you doing in Paris? 628 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,415 It was the middle of the Libertines tour. 629 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,135 I was a bit all over the place on that Libertines tour. 630 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,015 I think of it now, though, I think I was screaming out to be arrested. 631 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,775 I didn't run or anything, I just sat there. 632 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,495 And he's like, "I'm calling the police.” 633 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,295 I went, "Call the fucking police, I'll knock them out too." 634 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,775 That's not a good look for someone in their 40s. 635 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,135 Absolutely not. It was... Yeah. 636 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,335 It was hard to square the story with the mild-mannered man before me. 637 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,895 Does the French countryside speak to you? Yeah. 638 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,175 What does it say? 639 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,295 Trouve ton chemin. Find your way. 640 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,575 Really? Yeah. 641 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,695 “I will heal you." Yeah. 642 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:26,375 Do you think we're safe here? 643 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,215 We should be all right sneaking past them cows, it's just sometimes 644 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:31,455 if they got their young ones, they get overprotective. 645 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,575 Every 14th July, Bastille Day, the cows go crazy with the fireworks 646 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,415 and just charge off the cliffs like... 647 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,655 Does that really happen? Yeah. How many? 648 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,935 I don't know. 649 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,335 Well, they've got the fences up now, but before, you know? 650 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,055 And they're not doing it with joy? 651 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,375 Oh. That's an angle I never looked at, actually. 652 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,215 Cow joy. 653 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,255 Sounds like a Japanese thing, doesn't it? 654 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,095 The cow joy meditation! 655 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:04,255 # One lone cowboy came riding out one dark and stormy day 656 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,855 # Yippee-ay-ay... # 657 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,055 Shit! Run! They're coming. 658 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,615 Louis, duck and roll! 659 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,015 There you are, you didn't expect that, did you? No. 660 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,495 On the outskirts of town, we arrived at the cottage 661 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,375 Pete and Katia had recently bought and renovated, 662 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,775 which they would soon be moving into full time. 663 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,455 So, come on in. 664 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,175 If it seems strangely clean, it's because we got it spruced up 665 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,775 especially because we knew there'd be people coming, obviously. 666 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,455 Oh, really? Yeah. It's got nice flow, though, hasn't it? 667 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,055 You think? Yeah. It's not really partitioned. 668 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,935 It's all just sort of, it's got a nice feel of... 669 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,895 This is your love nest. Yeah. May |17 670 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,095 Yeah, yeah. You sure? Yeah, of course. Yeah, just... 671 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,535 It's not an invitation to intimacy. 672 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,135 It's a relaxation. 673 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,535 It's quite relaxing, that. 674 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,055 It's big Stinky. 675 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,615 Uh-oh. 676 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,495 Yeah, so me and Katia gonna plot up here, basically. 677 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,095 Yeah, I love my boo-boo. 678 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,055 Who's that? My wife. 679 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,895 Katia. 680 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,375 Katia de Vidas Doherty. 681 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,095 What made you decide to actually get married? 682 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,095 I don't want to, can we stop, can we stop the camera? 683 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,015 Is that all right? Can you stop filming? 684 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,055 You don't have to answer. OK. All right. I won't answer, then. 685 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,095 Because I love her. 686 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,055 But maybe I needed to show her that, to prove that... 687 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,175 To prove, to prove that I loved her. 688 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,415 I didn't know how to prove it, 689 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,895 to make her trust me completely, 690 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,135 to show that I was committed to her and not interested in anybody else. 691 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,695 Do you see what I mean? 692 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,775 I feel like I needed to show her... 693 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,015 .that I loved her 694 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,095 and I was worthy of her trust, you know? 695 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,895 And that she was the one for you. 696 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,015 That your ship had found its port. Yeah, definitely. 697 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,735 Am I right in thinking that you've recorded a new Libertines album? 698 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,095 Yeah, we have. 699 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,015 The songs are as good as anything we've done. 700 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,455 Where did you record it? 701 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,375 So we started recording it in... 702 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,775 Colombia? No! Oh, no. 703 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,335 We did the demos in Jamaica. That's right. 704 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,575 Yeah. 705 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,455 Me and Carl went off to... I think you've been there, that place. 706 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,295 What's it called? Jeff Def Jam, or... 707 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,975 Where's that, in Jamaica? I haven't been there. 708 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,695 Yeah, you told me. 709 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,495 You told me. You OK? Yeah, yeah. 710 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,975 You told me you'd been there. 711 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,935 Why has your voice gone like that? 712 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,615 It's a human, human thighbone. 713 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,695 What's happening? I don't know. 714 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:11,935 Are you OK? Yeah, yeah. Are you all right, Pete? 715 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,455 Yeah, I'm good. 716 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,775 Just... 717 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,775 Did it go down the wrong way? Are you OK? 718 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,095 I'm good. What's happening? 719 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,415 Nothing, it's all good, it's all good. Look at me. Aargh! 720 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,855 No, no, I'm very relaxed. I'm glad we could get together. 721 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,495 Look at me. Are you all right? Yeah, I'm fine. What just happened? 722 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,335 Did it go down the wrong way? Yeah, it's fine. 723 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,655 It's fine. 724 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,015 How is your health in general? 725 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,895 Erm... you are looking at a very sick man. 726 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,575 Come on. Yeah. 727 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,655 I've battered it, haven't I? I've fucking caned it. 728 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,575 So they came for the heroin 729 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,335 and the crack, and I surrendered to that. 730 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,535 And then it was cocaine and the smoking and the alcohol. 731 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,375 And now it's like cheese and saucisson and the sugar in the tea. 732 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,695 It's all got to go. 733 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,335 I mean, they told me a little while ago as well, if you don't 734 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,855 change your diet and stop drinking, then you're going to have 735 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,055 diabetes and cholesterol problems, you know, death is lurking. 736 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,295 You know what I mean? Come on. What? You can feel it? Yeah. 737 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,855 That's why I carry that stick. 738 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,535 How's the stick going to help? 739 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,255 We'll find out, won't we, when push comes to shove. 740 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,295 I'd love to hear Billie-May talk. 741 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,255 Maybe watch Billie-May grow up and start a family of her own. 742 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,975 No, but that's beyond... 743 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,895 Yeah. That's 25 years. Yeah. 744 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,335 So that's... That's a stretch, isn't it? 745 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,055 If a young person came to you and said, 746 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,855 “I'm thinking of doing heroin"... 747 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,295 What sort of question is that, Louis? Come on. 748 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,615 I thought it was a tee-up. 749 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,975 I thought it was an absolute tee-up. 750 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,935 You could say, like, "Don't do it, son." 751 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,615 Yeah, but what sort of question's that? 752 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,095 It's an absolute gift. 753 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,975 Of course I'm going to say "No, don't do it." Yeah. 754 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,575 My life in using was so chaotic and the consequences of my using 755 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,815 have been so... you put it in and you fuck your body up 756 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,735 and you'll be skint and you'll lose your family 757 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,335 and you'll lose everything you love. 758 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,215 Is it really that good? Is that really, you know... 759 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,695 That's beyond curiosity, isn't it? That's a right mess. 760 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,495 You know, I'm not going to lie, I still get tingles 761 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,655 thinking about it, but I'm not... you know, I'm able to sit down 762 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,815 and talk to you, you know, rather than running off and scoring. 763 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,015 I mean, I still have to take a blocker. 764 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,455 Now it's just a straight injection, buprenorphine. 765 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,615 And it means if I take heroin, it has no effect. 766 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,935 Well, that's handy. 767 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,815 Well, it is for Katia, yeah, you know. And you? 768 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,175 I like to think that I could do without it. You know what I mean? 769 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,935 But they're not, that level of trust has to be earned, doesn't it? 770 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,935 Do you feel like you're being kept on a leash? 771 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,415 A leash of life, I think. 772 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,615 Yeah, the way things are going. 773 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,135 Definitely. A whole new leash of life. Yeah. 774 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,335 But at the moment, I think I'm still reeling a little bit from, 775 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,575 almost like I'm in shock from having got clean still, you know? 776 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,495 HE EXHALES 777 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,735 Yeah. I mean, maybe in ten years, 778 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,615 I'll be able to talk with pride about getting clean. 779 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,095 In recovery, they'd say that everything that you've been through 780 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,535 has brought you here. 781 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,775 And so your being clean now is success. 782 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,735 Yeah. 783 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,015 It's not really made for pleasure seeking! 784 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,815 Get away! You know, you want to come here first thing in the morning, 785 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,975 man, when you're all alone with your dog, 786 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,335 just you against the elements. 787 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,775 Oh, man. We caught it just at the right time as well, huh? 788 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,855 Did we? I'd hate to see it at the wrong time! 789 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,775 Something very scenic about the radioactive waste sign on that buoy! 790 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,855 PETE LAUGHS WHEEZILY 791 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,495 This is going to be tricky. 792 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,975 The last one in the water is a crap interviewer. Hang on. 793 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,255 What a nightmare! 794 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,695 Come on. Come on, Louis! Come on! Jeez! 795 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,775 Come on, Louis! Come on now, you fucker! 796 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,655 In the restorative waters of the English Channel, 797 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,255 I had a moment to reflect on the mysterious qualities 798 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,615 of Pete Doherty. 799 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,935 His undeniable charm, his fragility, his talent, 800 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,895 and his troubling attraction to chaos and derangement. 801 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,055 It was hard to know what the future held, 802 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,855 but with a past so full of misadventure, 803 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,015 it seemed almost a waste to look ahead too much. 804 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,815 It wasn't a nightmare, it was a dream. 805 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,495 What did I say?