1 00:00:02,043 --> 00:00:04,963 This programme contains some strong language 2 00:00:04,963 --> 00:00:08,963 I like to disappoint visitors. You know, they come in the house, they see a photoshopped, thinner, 3 00:00:08,963 --> 00:00:10,883 younger version of you. You're pregnant now, 4 00:00:10,883 --> 00:00:15,123 that's the only difference. Something happened to me. I swear. 5 00:00:15,123 --> 00:00:18,083 I looked like that just, like, a few years ago. Mmm. 6 00:00:18,083 --> 00:00:21,083 And all my, like, good-looking hormones moved to the front 7 00:00:21,083 --> 00:00:24,243 of the line. But as soon as I got married... I've been pregnant 8 00:00:24,243 --> 00:00:26,403 solidly since then, and I started looking like this. 9 00:00:26,403 --> 00:00:29,043 They were like, "Job done." Yeah. They're like, "Oh, forget it." 10 00:00:29,043 --> 00:00:33,083 And then everyone's like, "Well, Katherine's really done a number with plastic surgery." No. 11 00:00:33,083 --> 00:00:36,123 I've done absolutely nothing but get on the wrong side of 35. 12 00:00:36,123 --> 00:00:38,523 That's all that's happened. You look great, by the way. 13 00:00:38,523 --> 00:00:40,763 You look great, Louis. But what I've done is... Do I? 14 00:00:40,763 --> 00:00:43,043 You're not allowed to get Botox when you're pregnant. 15 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:46,923 So that's what's happened. Yeah, you do. I wish. 16 00:00:48,563 --> 00:00:52,963 Did you meet the dogs? I think I did, yeah. 17 00:00:52,963 --> 00:00:55,363 OK. Do we just sit down? 18 00:00:56,443 --> 00:01:00,563 Katherine Ryan is one of the most successful and outspoken comedians 19 00:01:00,563 --> 00:01:02,443 working in the UK. 20 00:01:03,443 --> 00:01:06,003 Here we go. This is going to be interesting. 21 00:01:06,003 --> 00:01:07,603 I mean, I'm fine with it. 22 00:01:07,603 --> 00:01:10,603 I can lock them up if you want but then they might cry. 23 00:01:10,603 --> 00:01:13,563 Who knew that I was so popular in the dog community? 24 00:01:13,563 --> 00:01:16,443 Sorry about this, but I really think it'll keep the animals 25 00:01:16,443 --> 00:01:18,963 out of your hair. Here you go. 26 00:01:18,963 --> 00:01:22,363 For a few days, she'd allowed me a glimpse of the private person 27 00:01:22,363 --> 00:01:25,003 behind her provocative material. 28 00:01:25,003 --> 00:01:28,523 So if they should come into frame, you want us to take them out? 29 00:01:28,523 --> 00:01:30,003 Take them out. 30 00:01:50,523 --> 00:01:55,363 On the Essex coast, I had an appointment to see some comedy. 31 00:01:55,363 --> 00:01:57,123 Here she is. 32 00:01:57,123 --> 00:02:00,963 Welcome... Hey! ..to Southend-on-Sea. 33 00:02:00,963 --> 00:02:04,043 Nice to see you. Hey. Nice to see you in civilian clothing. 34 00:02:04,043 --> 00:02:06,563 I know. It's so humanising. I didn't even cheat. 35 00:02:06,563 --> 00:02:08,203 I didn't even do, like, half make-up. 36 00:02:08,203 --> 00:02:11,923 Have you been to Southend before? Been to Southend loads. Have you? 37 00:02:11,923 --> 00:02:14,043 Hi! Look at that. 38 00:02:14,043 --> 00:02:16,923 Hi, girls. There we are, on camera. Jeez. 39 00:02:16,923 --> 00:02:18,883 Skewing very female. 40 00:02:19,963 --> 00:02:23,163 Katherine was doing one of the final dates of her latest tour 41 00:02:23,163 --> 00:02:25,443 around Europe and the UK. 42 00:02:25,443 --> 00:02:28,243 May I? Can we? Should we? Dare we? 43 00:02:28,243 --> 00:02:32,083 We see so many exciting dressing rooms in our travels. 44 00:02:32,083 --> 00:02:35,483 How does this rate on the dressing room-ometer? 45 00:02:35,483 --> 00:02:37,243 I mean, it's not bad. 46 00:02:37,243 --> 00:02:40,203 Ta-da! So glamorous. 47 00:02:40,203 --> 00:02:42,403 I always wear a headband. 48 00:02:42,403 --> 00:02:44,523 I feel like it completes the look. 49 00:02:44,523 --> 00:02:46,603 Here we go. How's it looking out there? It's good. 50 00:02:46,603 --> 00:02:49,403 They've just opened doors. What's the vibe? It's Friday night, 51 00:02:49,403 --> 00:02:51,683 it's Southend so anything cold happen. 52 00:02:51,683 --> 00:02:54,323 Anything can happen. I forgot it's Friday. 53 00:02:54,323 --> 00:02:56,723 Yeah. Friday. Apparently, David Essex last night. 54 00:02:56,723 --> 00:02:59,003 Are you serious? A few fisticuffs. 55 00:02:59,003 --> 00:03:01,483 Really? Oh, no! 56 00:03:01,483 --> 00:03:03,563 For real or are you just...? No, seriously. 57 00:03:03,563 --> 00:03:06,843 I was just talking to the venue. David or the fans? I think the fans. 58 00:03:14,563 --> 00:03:16,803 Ta-da. Hello. Wow. 59 00:03:16,803 --> 00:03:20,603 You look sensational. I look like the Statue of Liberty in drag, 60 00:03:20,603 --> 00:03:22,923 and I don't see how that's a bad thing. Pretty accurate. 61 00:03:22,923 --> 00:03:26,403 That's the look I'm going for, every day. What's the timer? 62 00:03:26,403 --> 00:03:29,683 Very unprofessionally I bring this on stage. 63 00:03:29,683 --> 00:03:33,523 To see how long you're on stage for? Yeah. It's already started. 64 00:03:33,523 --> 00:03:37,043 You've started the meter. Well, we're three minutes late. 65 00:03:38,363 --> 00:03:40,723 Time is money. 66 00:03:40,723 --> 00:03:42,563 I want to be more like British girls. 67 00:03:42,563 --> 00:03:44,963 I want to be more like you and less Canadian, barf. 68 00:03:44,963 --> 00:03:50,563 That's where I'm from. So I've stopped saying hi to strangers. 69 00:03:50,563 --> 00:03:53,923 I've started getting drunk and fucking them. 70 00:03:53,923 --> 00:03:57,883 Katherine arrived in the UK 15 years ago and has gone on to become 71 00:03:57,883 --> 00:04:02,563 one of the hardest-working and most bankable stand-ups in the country. 72 00:04:02,563 --> 00:04:04,123 I loved being pregnant, though. 73 00:04:04,123 --> 00:04:06,483 People ask you all those baby questions, don't they? 74 00:04:06,483 --> 00:04:09,083 "Oh, what's it going to be like? Who's it going to look like?" 75 00:04:09,083 --> 00:04:12,283 And you give a standard baby answer, right? "We don't care as long as it's..." 76 00:04:12,283 --> 00:04:15,763 Healthy. "..not gay." Exactly right. 77 00:04:15,763 --> 00:04:20,963 With two Netflix specials and a near ubiquitous TV presence, 78 00:04:20,963 --> 00:04:24,803 she brings a style, both glamorous and foul-mouthed... 79 00:04:24,803 --> 00:04:26,963 DROWNED OUT BY APPLAUSE 80 00:04:26,963 --> 00:04:32,083 ..speaking on issues like celebrity, female power and family. 81 00:04:32,083 --> 00:04:35,243 My sister's genuinely just had a baby and named him Dick. 82 00:04:35,243 --> 00:04:37,763 When I want to see pictures of him, I'll text my mom and be like, 83 00:04:37,763 --> 00:04:40,363 "Mom, you got any Dick pics for me?" 84 00:04:40,363 --> 00:04:43,323 LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 85 00:04:43,323 --> 00:04:46,003 Hello, Southend. Thank you so much for being here. 86 00:04:46,003 --> 00:04:47,203 CHEERING 87 00:04:47,203 --> 00:04:49,443 Her most recent show, titled Missus, 88 00:04:49,443 --> 00:04:53,563 describes how she found love and contentment with an old flame. 89 00:04:53,563 --> 00:04:56,923 Now, we can't stress this enough, guys. I was not looking. 90 00:04:56,923 --> 00:04:58,963 They say don't go food shopping hungry. 91 00:04:58,963 --> 00:05:01,443 Don't go man shopping thirsty. 92 00:05:01,443 --> 00:05:03,963 LAUGHTER 93 00:05:03,963 --> 00:05:06,763 He's only 5'11", which isn't even small. 94 00:05:06,763 --> 00:05:10,883 But guess what? He's seven feet standing on his dick, bitch, so. 95 00:05:10,883 --> 00:05:13,643 LAUGHTER 96 00:05:13,643 --> 00:05:14,883 So! 97 00:05:16,563 --> 00:05:19,483 But Katherine's journey hasn't all been easy. 98 00:05:19,483 --> 00:05:23,443 There have been personal challenges and controversy. 99 00:05:23,443 --> 00:05:25,163 At her home in far North London, 100 00:05:25,163 --> 00:05:29,323 I sat down with her to discuss her life and craft. 101 00:05:29,323 --> 00:05:33,043 Thank you for having me. You're not supposed to say that, I learned. 102 00:05:33,043 --> 00:05:37,363 Why not? It means we had sex. Oh. 103 00:05:37,363 --> 00:05:41,043 You must never say thank you for having me cos it means you had me. 104 00:05:41,043 --> 00:05:45,723 So I never say that. Thank you for letting me into your... 105 00:05:45,723 --> 00:05:47,363 ..home? 106 00:05:47,363 --> 00:05:49,643 Your ass? There we go. In some access. 107 00:05:49,643 --> 00:05:52,563 I'll try not to say anything like that. It doesn't sound right 108 00:05:52,563 --> 00:05:55,043 coming from me. So how's it all going? 109 00:05:55,043 --> 00:05:57,443 Like ,I have the feeling that you're really, really busy 110 00:05:57,443 --> 00:06:00,123 in a good way. You've got a lot going on personally, 111 00:06:00,123 --> 00:06:03,963 obviously, a baby on its way, but also professionally, 112 00:06:03,963 --> 00:06:05,563 like a million projects. 113 00:06:05,563 --> 00:06:08,803 What we were told was there's basically two days this month 114 00:06:08,803 --> 00:06:12,243 when Katherine's not working and that included weekends, I think. 115 00:06:12,243 --> 00:06:14,363 Yeah, I pretty much work every day. 116 00:06:14,363 --> 00:06:18,443 And certainly since Fred was born 15 months ago, 117 00:06:18,443 --> 00:06:20,443 I've worked almost every day. 118 00:06:20,443 --> 00:06:24,323 I started back at work when he was eight days old. Eight days old. 119 00:06:24,323 --> 00:06:28,643 It wasn't very long ago that I was on the poverty line 120 00:06:28,643 --> 00:06:31,643 in this country and I worked at an office job. 121 00:06:31,643 --> 00:06:35,363 And there was a time when people didn't ask me to go and do comedy 122 00:06:35,363 --> 00:06:38,283 for the day and earn a tonne of money that I didn't deserve. 123 00:06:38,283 --> 00:06:40,443 So now, if anyone is ever like, 124 00:06:40,443 --> 00:06:43,203 "There's a bunch of money over there, do you want to go get it?" 125 00:06:43,203 --> 00:06:46,883 I'll go, "Yeah." Mmm. Yeah. I feel like it's almost rude to say no. 126 00:06:46,883 --> 00:06:49,683 What about adverts? I like adverts. 127 00:06:49,683 --> 00:06:51,883 Have you done many? I've done some adverts. 128 00:06:51,883 --> 00:06:54,963 I've turned some down. Because of ethics or too busy 129 00:06:54,963 --> 00:06:58,043 or just... Never too busy because adverts pay loads of money. 130 00:06:58,043 --> 00:07:00,243 I'm never too busy for loads of money. 131 00:07:00,243 --> 00:07:02,763 There's the quote. 132 00:07:02,763 --> 00:07:06,643 I'm not. I'm not. 133 00:07:06,643 --> 00:07:10,003 You have a show at the moment called Missus that you're touring, 134 00:07:10,003 --> 00:07:13,203 which has had amazing reviews. Did you know that? 135 00:07:13,203 --> 00:07:17,483 People were enjoying a version of you on stage that felt maybe 136 00:07:17,483 --> 00:07:23,363 a little closer to the real you and was maybe in certain respects 137 00:07:23,363 --> 00:07:27,123 less provocative, less edgy, if that makes sense. 138 00:07:27,123 --> 00:07:30,843 Well, I didn't see that, but I saw a headline that said "Softer." 139 00:07:30,843 --> 00:07:33,003 Well, I was trying not to say softer. You can say it. 140 00:07:33,003 --> 00:07:35,883 But that jumped out to me because I am definitely aware 141 00:07:35,883 --> 00:07:40,043 that for a long time people would have this idea 142 00:07:40,043 --> 00:07:44,243 that I wasn't kind or I wasn't soft. 143 00:07:44,243 --> 00:07:46,443 The show's not softer at all. 144 00:07:46,443 --> 00:07:49,523 It just happens to be that the things that are significant 145 00:07:49,523 --> 00:07:52,403 in my life right now are things like I've had a baby 146 00:07:52,403 --> 00:07:55,283 and I really love this man all of a sudden, but it's spun 147 00:07:55,283 --> 00:07:59,003 on this axis of, like, hypocrisy. I go, I know I've let you down. 148 00:07:59,003 --> 00:08:01,123 I stomped around and I said, 149 00:08:01,123 --> 00:08:03,563 I got to empower a nation of young feminists and say, 150 00:08:03,563 --> 00:08:05,803 "You don't need a man." And then I cashed in those chips 151 00:08:05,803 --> 00:08:09,003 and got married like a stupid whore. So it's not terribly soft. 152 00:08:09,003 --> 00:08:13,003 It's still got me all over it. I was just wrong about myself 153 00:08:13,003 --> 00:08:15,763 and what I wanted and what I thought my life was going to be. 154 00:08:18,043 --> 00:08:22,683 In 2019, Katherine reunited with her Canadian high school sweetheart, 155 00:08:22,683 --> 00:08:24,563 Bobby Kootstra. 156 00:08:24,563 --> 00:08:27,963 He moved to London to live with her and her daughter Violet. 157 00:08:27,963 --> 00:08:31,643 Two years later, a son, Fred, came along. 158 00:08:31,643 --> 00:08:35,123 Here he is. Hello. Come on. Let's say hello to Bobby. 159 00:08:35,123 --> 00:08:37,683 How are you doing? Good. Nice to meet you. You too. Yeah, yeah. 160 00:08:37,683 --> 00:08:40,483 Thanks for coming by now. Thanks for having us. Where's baby? 161 00:08:40,483 --> 00:08:43,003 Baby's asleep, I'm just coming to get the screen... Oh! 162 00:08:43,003 --> 00:08:45,523 I'm going to get the camera hooked up. Yeah. Nice one. 163 00:08:45,523 --> 00:08:46,723 Nice to meet you, Bobby. 164 00:08:46,723 --> 00:08:49,203 We have some sliders because the grass a bit wet. 165 00:08:49,203 --> 00:08:51,763 Oh, well, that's a nice idea. Do they fit you? 166 00:08:51,763 --> 00:08:55,283 I could get you... Pretty much. Cute. Cute, cute. 167 00:08:55,283 --> 00:08:58,243 So we didn't have a pool when we first moved here. 168 00:08:58,243 --> 00:09:01,603 And then Bobby got together with this amazing company and dug a hole, 169 00:09:01,603 --> 00:09:03,723 and he loved the hole. He sat in the hole. 170 00:09:03,723 --> 00:09:06,243 He put a little lawn chair in the hole. Bobby did? Yeah. 171 00:09:06,243 --> 00:09:09,123 I couldn't find him sometimes. And he'd just be down that hole. 172 00:09:09,123 --> 00:09:12,803 So Bobby helped put this in? Yeah. So he's handy. 173 00:09:12,803 --> 00:09:14,923 Canadian men know how to do a lot of stuff. 174 00:09:14,923 --> 00:09:17,043 Course they do, they're real men. 175 00:09:19,443 --> 00:09:22,283 So Bobby was my high school boyfriend, and I loved him so much. 176 00:09:22,283 --> 00:09:30,243 Yeah. But then I saw him again very randomly, um, January 2019. 177 00:09:30,243 --> 00:09:32,723 And then... Was that when you were filming? 178 00:09:32,723 --> 00:09:35,083 When I was filming Who Do You Think You Are in Canada. 179 00:09:35,083 --> 00:09:37,363 Shagged him, cos I thought it'd be funny to do. 180 00:09:37,363 --> 00:09:40,003 And he thought it would be funny. And I was not... It was not in my 181 00:09:40,003 --> 00:09:42,963 personality to do, that as much as I let on, like, I'm loads of fun, 182 00:09:42,963 --> 00:09:45,443 I'd never had a one-night stand and I still haven't. 183 00:09:45,443 --> 00:09:47,683 In your whole life? My whole life. 184 00:09:47,683 --> 00:09:50,163 I just thought, oh, that will be funny. 185 00:09:50,163 --> 00:09:52,963 I'd been single for, like, almost a year. 186 00:09:52,963 --> 00:09:57,403 And then we got married, like, eight months later. Isn't that lovely? 187 00:09:57,403 --> 00:10:01,563 The story of reuniting with your long lost high school sweetheart 188 00:10:01,563 --> 00:10:06,043 20 years on, and finding out that he's the man of your dreams 189 00:10:06,043 --> 00:10:10,043 and that every part of it that you thought was a missed opportunity 190 00:10:10,043 --> 00:10:12,763 or maybe romanticised in hindsight... Yeah. 191 00:10:12,763 --> 00:10:16,403 ..in fact, it was all real. Well, it was. That's so lovely. 192 00:10:16,403 --> 00:10:19,603 So far. But I got a lot of people holding out for the divorce 193 00:10:19,603 --> 00:10:23,123 they want to see. They want to see this end badly for me. Like who? 194 00:10:23,123 --> 00:10:25,083 Just people... Trolls? Yeah. 195 00:10:25,083 --> 00:10:27,603 They're like, "You'll have egg on your face." Maybe. 196 00:10:27,603 --> 00:10:31,203 You have a joke in your new show, I think saying he fell in love 197 00:10:31,203 --> 00:10:33,843 with you when you when he saw your house. Yeah. 198 00:10:33,843 --> 00:10:36,963 And I say that because that's what people want me to say. 199 00:10:36,963 --> 00:10:41,923 They want me to be aware that he might be using me for money. 200 00:10:41,923 --> 00:10:44,883 But in reality, when he came to London, I hadn't bought the house. 201 00:10:44,883 --> 00:10:47,163 Really? I lived in a flat. 202 00:10:47,163 --> 00:10:50,163 So you played into the... whatever that is, the stereotype 203 00:10:50,163 --> 00:10:53,403 or the prejudice because it is funny. It's fun for people. 204 00:10:53,403 --> 00:10:55,683 Yeah. I don't want to spoil their fun. 205 00:10:55,683 --> 00:10:58,443 Like, if it's fun for people to think that Bobby's using me 206 00:10:58,443 --> 00:11:01,443 for money and they've had loads of plastic surgery and this and that, 207 00:11:01,443 --> 00:11:05,203 then that's great that I know that and then I use that cos my job 208 00:11:05,203 --> 00:11:08,483 is to make them laugh. I don't care if I'm the punch line at all, 209 00:11:08,483 --> 00:11:12,643 at all, cos I get to live here and I have the pool. 210 00:11:12,643 --> 00:11:15,483 Do you know what I mean? Like, what? I don't understand being precious 211 00:11:15,483 --> 00:11:18,043 about that stuff, but then that gets me in trouble sometimes 212 00:11:18,043 --> 00:11:21,083 cos I'll assume that everyone's that way. 213 00:11:21,083 --> 00:11:24,203 And then so when I do roast comedy or that type of thing, 214 00:11:24,203 --> 00:11:26,843 or sometimes I'll say something about a celebrity 215 00:11:26,843 --> 00:11:29,763 and it can be misconstrued, then I feel badly cos I don't actually 216 00:11:29,763 --> 00:11:32,563 want to hurt people's feelings. I forget that people have feelings 217 00:11:32,563 --> 00:11:35,723 that I don't have. What do you mean that you don't have? 218 00:11:35,723 --> 00:11:41,963 Like, if someone had a really good joke about me, I would love it. 219 00:11:41,963 --> 00:11:44,163 I don't care what most people think. 220 00:11:44,163 --> 00:11:48,963 To not care at all about what anyone thinks, you would... 221 00:11:48,963 --> 00:11:53,643 I would worry that it's almost like sort of slightly sociopathic. 222 00:11:53,643 --> 00:11:55,843 I've worried about that, too. Do you know what I mean? 223 00:11:55,843 --> 00:11:58,043 Because actually isn't part of our morality 224 00:11:58,043 --> 00:12:01,323 created by a sense of feeling ashamed when... 225 00:12:01,323 --> 00:12:03,043 ..when there's a shame... You know, 226 00:12:03,043 --> 00:12:05,003 when there's a shame attached to something. 227 00:12:05,003 --> 00:12:07,283 It's my preference that people like me. 228 00:12:07,283 --> 00:12:10,643 But if they don't like, I just don't mind. I don't. 229 00:12:10,643 --> 00:12:14,723 But I have questioned that, I've gone, why don't I mind at all? 230 00:12:14,723 --> 00:12:20,363 And you know how everyone has some varying degree of neuro diversion 231 00:12:20,363 --> 00:12:23,643 now that they're self diagnosing with? Of course, yeah. 232 00:12:23,643 --> 00:12:25,883 I'm like, maybe I have, like, a version of autism 233 00:12:25,883 --> 00:12:28,843 where I don't care about that. And then I went, probably not. 234 00:12:28,843 --> 00:12:32,243 Cos we're on the subject, you have told jokes over the years 235 00:12:32,243 --> 00:12:35,643 that came in for criticism. One in particular, you've mentioned 236 00:12:35,643 --> 00:12:39,603 where it was a joke the Filipino community took amiss. Yeah. 237 00:12:39,603 --> 00:12:42,043 And you had death threats. 238 00:12:42,043 --> 00:12:45,203 The way it sounded was that an entire nation, basically, 239 00:12:45,203 --> 00:12:48,203 was up in arms about what they saw as a racist joke. 240 00:12:48,203 --> 00:12:51,123 The joke was on a show where you had to play a game 241 00:12:51,123 --> 00:12:54,083 and fill in a blank. And the game was, 242 00:12:54,083 --> 00:12:58,523 "Name something that's unlikely to hear from a cosmetics company." 243 00:12:58,523 --> 00:13:01,803 So I said, "We don't test our products on animals. 244 00:13:01,803 --> 00:13:03,643 "We use Filipino children instead." 245 00:13:03,643 --> 00:13:06,243 So it's a pull back and reveal joke about like, "We're so great, 246 00:13:06,243 --> 00:13:09,243 "we're so biased, but we're actually doing something much worse." 247 00:13:09,243 --> 00:13:15,923 And that is a joke at the expense of big industries and, you know, 248 00:13:15,923 --> 00:13:18,763 labour laws and stuff. It's not a joke about Filipino children, 249 00:13:18,763 --> 00:13:21,723 but I knew what I was doing. I think if you can stand behind what you say 250 00:13:21,723 --> 00:13:24,683 and you know what it means... Cos you'll be misunderstood 251 00:13:24,683 --> 00:13:27,923 or you be wilfully misunderstood, I wasn't that upset about it, 252 00:13:27,923 --> 00:13:31,083 all things considered, I wasn't, even though I was young, 253 00:13:31,083 --> 00:13:34,443 cos I knew...I knew what I was trying to say. 254 00:13:39,243 --> 00:13:43,043 Did Bobby put this up as well? Yeah, but don't go from too far. 255 00:13:43,043 --> 00:13:45,523 Is this good? Really slams at the end. 256 00:13:45,523 --> 00:13:48,163 So you'll go up and you have to hold on. And then this is your legal 257 00:13:48,163 --> 00:13:50,323 disclaimer. This is my legal disclaimer. 258 00:13:50,323 --> 00:13:52,243 I didn't hear any of what you just said. 259 00:13:52,243 --> 00:13:55,123 I heard you say it's fine and it's perfectly safe. Just hold on. 260 00:13:55,123 --> 00:13:58,323 "The nation goes into mourning tonight 261 00:13:58,323 --> 00:14:00,203 "with news the documentary legend 262 00:14:00,203 --> 00:14:02,883 "Louis Theroux has died in a bizarre..." You've had all the kids 263 00:14:02,883 --> 00:14:06,963 you want to have, right? "..at the house of comedian Katherine Ryan." 264 00:14:06,963 --> 00:14:08,483 Just hold on. 265 00:14:08,483 --> 00:14:12,363 Yep, yep. Good, good. 266 00:14:17,003 --> 00:14:21,123 Do you think you can be cancelled? Like, is that a real thing? 267 00:14:21,123 --> 00:14:24,363 Or if you decide, like, "I don't really care what you say. 268 00:14:24,363 --> 00:14:28,803 "And if a few of my gigs dry up, I'll just find some other gigs"? 269 00:14:28,803 --> 00:14:30,563 Hmm. I don't know. 270 00:14:30,563 --> 00:14:35,243 I think you can be cancelled, like, if you... 271 00:14:35,243 --> 00:14:38,043 ..accuse too many men of sexual assault. 272 00:14:38,043 --> 00:14:40,203 And then you're labelled a troublemaker... Right. 273 00:14:40,203 --> 00:14:41,723 ..people won't book you any more. 274 00:14:41,723 --> 00:14:44,443 I think it's more quiet disappearing than cancellation. 275 00:14:44,443 --> 00:14:48,483 You were in the papers recently for saying that there was a predator. 276 00:14:48,483 --> 00:14:51,363 Was that the term that you had worked with? 277 00:14:51,363 --> 00:14:55,963 And that you'd informed the employers that he was a predator, 278 00:14:55,963 --> 00:14:57,523 right? I didn't inform employers. 279 00:14:57,523 --> 00:15:00,723 I informed him to his face... Oh, him. ..that he was a predator. 280 00:15:00,723 --> 00:15:04,443 When we say predator, what do you mean? 281 00:15:04,443 --> 00:15:05,923 I mean... 282 00:15:05,923 --> 00:15:10,163 I think I mean a perpetrator of sexual assault. 283 00:15:12,523 --> 00:15:17,363 But it is very dangerous for us to have this conversation. 284 00:15:17,363 --> 00:15:21,243 I'm happy to have it... Why? ..but it is a litigious minefield. 285 00:15:22,723 --> 00:15:26,643 Cos lots of people have tried to nail this person down 286 00:15:26,643 --> 00:15:29,843 for their alleged crimes. 287 00:15:29,843 --> 00:15:32,043 And this person has very good lawyers. 288 00:15:32,043 --> 00:15:37,163 So am I going to put my mortgage on the line by saying who this person 289 00:15:37,163 --> 00:15:40,963 is or, like, entering into any conversations like that? 290 00:15:40,963 --> 00:15:47,123 We've seen what happens to people who talk about alleged predators. 291 00:15:47,123 --> 00:15:51,883 I mean, it's not really my story to tell. 292 00:15:51,883 --> 00:15:55,123 No-one has perpetrated any sexual assaults against me. 293 00:15:55,123 --> 00:16:01,763 But this person, I believe very strongly - so do a lot of people 294 00:16:01,763 --> 00:16:06,243 believe very strongly, it's an open secret - is a perpetrator 295 00:16:06,243 --> 00:16:12,403 of sexual assault. And I in front of loads of people in the format of the 296 00:16:12,403 --> 00:16:16,323 show said to this person's face that they were a predator. 297 00:16:16,323 --> 00:16:18,723 You said on the show? Loads of times. 298 00:16:18,723 --> 00:16:21,403 Not backstage? No. 299 00:16:21,403 --> 00:16:23,123 Again and again. 300 00:16:23,123 --> 00:16:26,683 But... Did they... Did they keep that in the episode? 301 00:16:26,683 --> 00:16:28,963 No. 302 00:16:28,963 --> 00:16:31,843 No. Which is fine. 303 00:16:31,843 --> 00:16:34,883 It's fine. I still got paid and I still did my job, 304 00:16:34,883 --> 00:16:38,763 but I did it in my way that I felt was fair. 305 00:16:38,763 --> 00:16:40,203 This is what we talk about. 306 00:16:40,203 --> 00:16:44,203 This is what female comics and probably actresses and women 307 00:16:44,203 --> 00:16:47,403 in my industry talk about all the time, because that's the safest 308 00:16:47,403 --> 00:16:48,723 way for us to talk about it. 309 00:16:48,723 --> 00:16:52,443 I didn't tell any employer or blow a whistle or do anything at all. 310 00:16:52,443 --> 00:16:55,643 I handled it, for lack of a better term, like a man. Mm-hm. 311 00:16:55,643 --> 00:16:59,723 And said it to his face. Did you get some criticism for that? 312 00:16:59,723 --> 00:17:02,643 I got criticism for not naming who it was after the fact 313 00:17:02,643 --> 00:17:05,083 when I spoke about the original show, yes. 314 00:17:05,083 --> 00:17:09,243 Is there a chance that the allegations are not well sourced 315 00:17:09,243 --> 00:17:12,403 and that it would be irresponsible on that level? 316 00:17:12,403 --> 00:17:15,363 No. Because they're too credible? 317 00:17:15,363 --> 00:17:17,763 Yeah, they're really credible. 318 00:17:17,763 --> 00:17:20,083 But also... 319 00:17:20,083 --> 00:17:21,403 SHE SIGHS 320 00:17:21,403 --> 00:17:26,283 ..every time these things are eventually proven 321 00:17:26,283 --> 00:17:28,763 and you look at Bill Cosby and you look at Harvey Weinstein 322 00:17:28,763 --> 00:17:33,803 and you look at the unmentionable British personality, 323 00:17:33,803 --> 00:17:36,843 everybody knew. And they go, "Well, everybody knew." 324 00:17:36,843 --> 00:17:39,323 I'll say Jimmy Savile. 325 00:17:39,323 --> 00:17:42,443 I'll be the one who says it. Yeah, you know him best. Mm-hm. 326 00:17:42,443 --> 00:17:46,843 But, yeah. So, I mean, I didn't mean to cause, like, a stir about it. 327 00:17:46,843 --> 00:17:49,683 No. I just do... I say things as they are. 328 00:17:52,163 --> 00:17:53,203 Come on, then. 329 00:17:55,403 --> 00:17:56,963 What's this one called, Katherine? 330 00:17:56,963 --> 00:17:58,363 Manny. 331 00:17:58,363 --> 00:18:00,123 Don't be afraid. 332 00:18:00,123 --> 00:18:01,963 There's nothing to be afraid of. 333 00:18:11,643 --> 00:18:12,963 Hello. Hello! 334 00:18:12,963 --> 00:18:15,203 I love it - matching outfits. 335 00:18:15,203 --> 00:18:17,803 If you'd told me, I would have worn pink too! 336 00:18:17,803 --> 00:18:19,923 Nice to see you. How are you? 337 00:18:19,923 --> 00:18:23,203 Before Bobby's arrival, two years ago, the significant other 338 00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:27,363 in Katherine's life was her daughter, Violet, now aged 13. 339 00:18:29,403 --> 00:18:31,683 At a spa on the outskirts of London, 340 00:18:31,683 --> 00:18:34,563 I was joining them for some high-end pampering. 341 00:18:34,563 --> 00:18:36,723 So I'm just going to pop the sheet mask on. 342 00:18:36,723 --> 00:18:38,523 It's going to feel slightly cold. 343 00:18:40,163 --> 00:18:42,483 Ooh, there's something inside it! 344 00:18:42,483 --> 00:18:44,163 VIOLET CHUCKLES 345 00:18:44,163 --> 00:18:46,803 It feels a bit like I'm delivering a calf. 346 00:18:46,803 --> 00:18:48,683 LAUGHTER 347 00:18:50,563 --> 00:18:54,163 I was aware, given Katherine and Violet's closeness, that Bobby's 348 00:18:54,163 --> 00:18:58,723 entering the scene had caused ripples. I was curious to know more. 349 00:18:58,723 --> 00:19:01,923 So what happened at the wedding? 350 00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:05,043 The night before, Mum was like, "Violet, wear something nice." 351 00:19:05,043 --> 00:19:06,843 I was like, "No." 352 00:19:06,843 --> 00:19:10,803 I wore bicycle shorts and an oversized T-shirt. 353 00:19:10,803 --> 00:19:12,683 Didn't brush my hair. 354 00:19:12,683 --> 00:19:14,643 She sartorially objected. 355 00:19:14,643 --> 00:19:17,403 It's like your version of a dirty protest. Yeah! 356 00:19:17,403 --> 00:19:21,843 So it wasn't like you were in nappies and rubbing poo everywhere, 357 00:19:21,843 --> 00:19:23,603 but the next best thing. 358 00:19:23,603 --> 00:19:27,363 Because you didn't think the event should be happening. Mm-hm. 359 00:19:27,363 --> 00:19:30,763 You weren't happy about it. I wasn't, but I did object. 360 00:19:30,763 --> 00:19:32,603 I'd just start crying 361 00:19:32,603 --> 00:19:36,763 and I'd go, "I object!" And then I'd just keep crying. 362 00:19:36,763 --> 00:19:40,923 But then they did a lovely synchronised swim 363 00:19:40,923 --> 00:19:46,323 in the rooftop pool, kind of two hours after the ceremony. 364 00:19:46,323 --> 00:19:49,563 Violet directed Bobby in the choreography of this swim, 365 00:19:49,563 --> 00:19:51,443 and then she wasn't mad at him by that point. 366 00:19:51,443 --> 00:19:53,803 Still mad at you, though. You were still mad at me. Yeah. 367 00:19:53,803 --> 00:19:55,323 For how long? 368 00:19:55,323 --> 00:19:57,843 Like, a day and a half. OK. Yeah. 369 00:19:57,843 --> 00:20:01,643 I could take it. A day and a half for the rest of our lives. 370 00:20:01,643 --> 00:20:04,443 Well, I had promised you that I wasn't going 371 00:20:04,443 --> 00:20:07,763 to have another boyfriend. Yeah. And I had... 372 00:20:07,763 --> 00:20:09,243 What a promise to make, though. 373 00:20:09,243 --> 00:20:12,083 Like, it's one thing to be in the moment and not have one, 374 00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:14,923 but to say that won't happen ever again, 375 00:20:14,923 --> 00:20:16,603 what would lead you to do that? 376 00:20:16,603 --> 00:20:21,043 I had reached this point of realisation. 377 00:20:21,043 --> 00:20:23,683 This epiphany came over me where I went, 378 00:20:23,683 --> 00:20:29,203 "I have had an amazing eight to ten months without any men in our lives. 379 00:20:29,203 --> 00:20:30,963 "We are happy on our own." 380 00:20:30,963 --> 00:20:34,443 So I purchased sperm, frozen sperm online 381 00:20:34,443 --> 00:20:38,443 and we decorated our house just for us, exactly the way we liked it, 382 00:20:38,443 --> 00:20:40,843 and I went, "This is it, jackpot. 383 00:20:40,843 --> 00:20:45,963 "We've reached, like, the pinnacle of how happy I can be as a mom 384 00:20:45,963 --> 00:20:47,603 "to you, and this is our family." 385 00:20:47,603 --> 00:20:49,843 So I said, "I will never have another new boyfriend." 386 00:20:49,843 --> 00:20:51,283 And Violet was like, "Great!" 387 00:20:51,283 --> 00:20:55,563 And I genuinely was not looking at all. 388 00:20:55,563 --> 00:20:57,403 I was blissfully happy. 389 00:20:57,403 --> 00:21:02,123 But I think the universe knew that Violet was soon going to slowly 390 00:21:02,123 --> 00:21:04,363 move away from me into teenagehood, 391 00:21:04,363 --> 00:21:07,363 and they'd better send me someone for us both. 392 00:21:10,323 --> 00:21:12,043 Here he is. 393 00:21:12,043 --> 00:21:14,043 A little later, Bobby showed up. 394 00:21:15,523 --> 00:21:18,083 A stroll in the grounds of the spa was an opportunity 395 00:21:18,083 --> 00:21:20,683 to hear his version of the romance. 396 00:21:20,683 --> 00:21:23,083 Would you say you're a fan of Katherine's comedy, Bobby? 397 00:21:23,083 --> 00:21:25,803 Absolutely. I've always been. Even teenager, like, 398 00:21:25,803 --> 00:21:27,603 that's what kind of drew me to her. 399 00:21:27,603 --> 00:21:30,283 We had so much fun and laughed. She was funny in high school? 400 00:21:30,283 --> 00:21:32,243 Absolutely. Yeah. No-one else thought that. 401 00:21:32,243 --> 00:21:34,283 No-one else thought so. I did. 402 00:21:34,283 --> 00:21:39,603 So I kind of followed her comedy a little bit throughout the years, 403 00:21:39,603 --> 00:21:41,683 and then certainly a big fan. Always have been. 404 00:21:41,683 --> 00:21:44,443 That's kind of part of how we got back together, because we didn't 405 00:21:44,443 --> 00:21:46,003 interact on social media a lot. 406 00:21:46,003 --> 00:21:50,243 I knew Bobby's sisters, but he posted a clip of my stand-up 407 00:21:50,243 --> 00:21:53,643 and I saw that, and I was like... Which bit was it? 408 00:21:53,643 --> 00:21:55,843 It was on James Corden. 409 00:21:55,843 --> 00:21:58,723 It was about never wanting a boyfriend. Yeah. 410 00:21:58,723 --> 00:22:01,843 And I just said, like, "Congrats." Yeah. 411 00:22:01,843 --> 00:22:04,523 And some other... Whatever. I forget what else I said. Something. 412 00:22:04,523 --> 00:22:06,763 Something cute, it was a little bit. It wasn't flirty. 413 00:22:06,763 --> 00:22:10,363 It was, like, oblique enough. He just said, "Oh, my celebrity crush, 414 00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,523 "same as my first crush. Congratulations." 415 00:22:12,523 --> 00:22:14,803 Cos I was on like a US chat show or something. 416 00:22:14,803 --> 00:22:18,283 And I was like... That's flirty. How is that not flirty? 417 00:22:18,283 --> 00:22:20,723 Well, we hadn't chatted really, you know? 418 00:22:20,723 --> 00:22:23,283 It was just like... You put, "My celebrity crush, 419 00:22:23,283 --> 00:22:24,923 "Same as my first crush." 420 00:22:24,923 --> 00:22:27,603 But it's a laugh. That is literally... Yeah, I can see how... 421 00:22:27,603 --> 00:22:29,803 That is literally putting it on the menu. 422 00:22:29,803 --> 00:22:32,043 But then it got me... It got him on my radar. 423 00:22:32,043 --> 00:22:35,803 I was like, "Hmm." Course it did, which is exactly what he wanted. 424 00:22:35,803 --> 00:22:37,203 I always loved Bobby. 425 00:22:37,203 --> 00:22:39,923 I feel like part of the magic of our relationship now 426 00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:42,483 is that I find myself, like, still having a teenage 427 00:22:42,483 --> 00:22:45,683 infatuation with him. Like, I love him like... 428 00:22:45,683 --> 00:22:48,883 ..like a, like a teenager, like a Romeo and Juliet. 429 00:22:48,883 --> 00:22:52,323 Like, I'm obsessed with him like a teenager. Really? 430 00:22:52,323 --> 00:22:54,083 Can you feel it in your heart? 431 00:22:55,363 --> 00:22:57,323 Lower. Lower? 432 00:22:57,323 --> 00:22:58,363 Yeah! 433 00:22:58,363 --> 00:22:59,803 THEY LAUGH 434 00:22:59,803 --> 00:23:02,083 Yeah. I love him. 435 00:23:03,123 --> 00:23:05,843 Right? We're out of that. We don't want to hear about that, do we? 436 00:23:05,843 --> 00:23:08,483 No, I do feel it in my heart. Yes, I love Bobby. 437 00:23:08,483 --> 00:23:10,203 TMI! Sorry, guys. 438 00:23:10,203 --> 00:23:12,323 This is for a family audience. Sorry, guys. Please! 439 00:23:12,323 --> 00:23:14,043 Keep it clean, guys. I'm just kidding. 440 00:23:18,203 --> 00:23:20,883 SPEAKS IN FRENCH 441 00:23:22,643 --> 00:23:26,723 Katherine was raised in Sarnia, a small town in Canada, speaking 442 00:23:26,723 --> 00:23:30,043 French at school and at least one early performance. 443 00:23:32,003 --> 00:23:34,603 Her dad, an Irish immigrant, was an engineer. 444 00:23:34,603 --> 00:23:36,523 Her mum, a computer programmer. 445 00:23:39,923 --> 00:23:44,683 Later came university in Toronto and a job as a waitress. 446 00:23:44,683 --> 00:23:49,043 From the beginning, there was a sense of not quite fitting in. 447 00:23:49,043 --> 00:23:53,763 Were you always funny, growing up? I was always odd, growing up. 448 00:23:53,763 --> 00:23:56,723 I would come up against people who really were confused by me. 449 00:23:56,723 --> 00:24:00,563 They found me either offensive or just strange or unpalatable. 450 00:24:00,563 --> 00:24:04,403 You know, there was a beginning high school period where I had, you know, 451 00:24:04,403 --> 00:24:08,123 a gap between my teeth and I didn't dress the way I was meant to 452 00:24:08,123 --> 00:24:10,483 and I just was unattractive. I don't know what. 453 00:24:10,483 --> 00:24:13,283 Eventually, I changed the things I could, 454 00:24:13,283 --> 00:24:18,323 and puberty helped me to just become visually more appealing 455 00:24:18,323 --> 00:24:22,763 to these people. But then my group in the later part 456 00:24:22,763 --> 00:24:24,403 of high school were the cool girls. 457 00:24:24,403 --> 00:24:27,203 But at that time, it was very like nineties movies. Mm-hm. 458 00:24:27,203 --> 00:24:30,043 Do you remember those movies where it was cool to be mean? Mm-hm. 459 00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:33,443 It was really, like, cool to be the popular girls who were nasty, 460 00:24:33,443 --> 00:24:34,883 so we acted like that. 461 00:24:34,883 --> 00:24:39,323 You talk about a kid doing a very earnest 462 00:24:39,323 --> 00:24:41,323 guitar recital in class. 463 00:24:41,323 --> 00:24:43,123 How cool is this? 464 00:24:43,123 --> 00:24:45,123 This guy is doing the guitar solo. 465 00:24:45,123 --> 00:24:47,163 He's, you know, been mean to us before 466 00:24:47,163 --> 00:24:49,603 because he's like what we would call a skid. 467 00:24:49,603 --> 00:24:52,563 Like, a skater boy. But I turned around and I went... 468 00:24:53,723 --> 00:24:55,563 Probably like this. 469 00:24:55,563 --> 00:24:58,283 "Well, at least I'll have a hobby in prison." 470 00:24:58,283 --> 00:25:00,203 It was cool. It was funny. Was that your line? 471 00:25:00,203 --> 00:25:02,243 And all my friends laughed. Yes, it was my line. 472 00:25:02,243 --> 00:25:04,683 It wasn't the meanest thing I'd said. 473 00:25:04,683 --> 00:25:08,243 I'd said... I had lots of one liners. But I was just very good 474 00:25:08,243 --> 00:25:10,763 at being a bitch if someone pushed me the wrong way. 475 00:25:10,763 --> 00:25:12,123 Yeah, I get it. 476 00:25:12,123 --> 00:25:16,163 I feel like Hooters was quite important for you. 477 00:25:16,163 --> 00:25:19,403 Yeah. When people talk about their school friends, 478 00:25:19,403 --> 00:25:20,963 that was Hooters for me. 479 00:25:20,963 --> 00:25:23,483 Like, I went to university and I worked at Hooters. 480 00:25:23,483 --> 00:25:26,323 Hooters is a bar and grill chain. Mm-hm. 481 00:25:26,323 --> 00:25:31,043 The Hooters, it refers to owls but also breasts. Right. 482 00:25:31,043 --> 00:25:33,723 And so that's the concept, and it's all... I'm assuming 483 00:25:33,723 --> 00:25:35,963 it's all female waitstaff, is it? Mm-hm. 484 00:25:35,963 --> 00:25:39,563 Wearing short shorts... Tight tops? Yes. 485 00:25:39,563 --> 00:25:41,843 But you don't... Anyway. Yeah. 486 00:25:41,843 --> 00:25:44,763 You don't show your nipples. No. 487 00:25:47,363 --> 00:25:49,643 No. You definitely don't do that. 488 00:25:49,643 --> 00:25:52,763 Selling point! You don't show your nipples! 489 00:25:52,763 --> 00:25:54,443 That's always the rule. 490 00:25:54,443 --> 00:25:55,683 What did it do for you? 491 00:25:55,683 --> 00:25:59,323 I felt like it validated that I was doing the role 492 00:25:59,323 --> 00:26:03,203 that I wanted to do, being pretty and being kind. 493 00:26:03,203 --> 00:26:06,163 And, you know, if you're a Hooters girl, then you're presumably, 494 00:26:06,163 --> 00:26:10,483 like, for decoration. And I wanted to be for decoration. 495 00:26:10,483 --> 00:26:13,203 At that time, it was very Britney Spears, 496 00:26:13,203 --> 00:26:17,243 Christina Aguilera, early noughties vibe. 497 00:26:17,243 --> 00:26:21,083 I could see the type of woman that the world wanted me 498 00:26:21,083 --> 00:26:23,723 to be, and the type of woman that was rewarded. 499 00:26:23,723 --> 00:26:27,483 All the messaging in my life from pop culture and everything else, 500 00:26:27,483 --> 00:26:29,283 and even my mom - she wouldn't say it. 501 00:26:29,283 --> 00:26:32,003 My mom would say, "You're very smart and you're very interesting." 502 00:26:32,003 --> 00:26:34,683 You know, my mom said all the right things, but lived 503 00:26:34,683 --> 00:26:37,363 all the wrong body dysmorphia. 504 00:26:37,363 --> 00:26:39,923 My mom was very glamorous and very body conscious 505 00:26:39,923 --> 00:26:42,963 and very eating-conscious and everything else. 506 00:26:42,963 --> 00:26:46,243 And so I knew that it was advantageous for a young women 507 00:26:46,243 --> 00:26:49,003 to be really pretty, and I wanted to be that. 508 00:26:49,003 --> 00:26:50,563 And I'd be lying if I said I didn't. 509 00:26:50,563 --> 00:26:53,203 And so I worked at Hooters, and I got more tanned 510 00:26:53,203 --> 00:26:54,643 and I had white blonde hair. 511 00:26:54,643 --> 00:26:57,603 And I said, "I'll never get breast implants working here, though. 512 00:26:57,603 --> 00:26:59,523 "That's the line. I just won't do that." 513 00:26:59,523 --> 00:27:02,003 And then one of my friends got amazing breast implants 514 00:27:02,003 --> 00:27:04,923 and I was like, "Oh, I'll get breast implants. But only from that doctor. 515 00:27:04,923 --> 00:27:07,323 "Yeah, I'll go get breast implants next week." And I did. 516 00:27:07,323 --> 00:27:09,523 And I could afford them because I worked at Hooters. 517 00:27:09,523 --> 00:27:10,723 You made a good income? Yeah. 518 00:27:10,723 --> 00:27:13,883 And you were getting into stand-up around the same time? 519 00:27:13,883 --> 00:27:15,883 You're meant to have some chat at Hooters. 520 00:27:15,883 --> 00:27:18,163 You're meant to be fun, and you're meant to engage 521 00:27:18,163 --> 00:27:19,603 the customer and talk to them a lot. 522 00:27:19,603 --> 00:27:23,363 And then we had bikini pageants, and I did one bikini pageant and I won, 523 00:27:23,363 --> 00:27:25,523 and I was excited about that. Congratulations. 524 00:27:25,523 --> 00:27:28,683 Thank you. It was a long, long time ago. 525 00:27:28,683 --> 00:27:31,963 And then the second bikini pageant, I just plucked up the courage 526 00:27:31,963 --> 00:27:34,123 to be like, "I want to host the bikini pageant." 527 00:27:34,123 --> 00:27:36,403 And I didn't think about it more than that, really. 528 00:27:36,403 --> 00:27:38,763 I just went, "I want to hold a microphone and wear a dress. 529 00:27:38,763 --> 00:27:40,083 "I don't want to do the bikini." 530 00:27:40,083 --> 00:27:43,883 And the manager said yes. Maybe because I was sleeping with him. 531 00:27:43,883 --> 00:27:46,763 And so then I got to host the pageant, and I was funny 532 00:27:46,763 --> 00:27:49,683 when I hosted the pageant. Well, let's pause there, because you said 533 00:27:49,683 --> 00:27:52,163 you were sleeping with your boss, right? 534 00:27:52,163 --> 00:27:54,683 You actually said to him... Yeah. 535 00:27:54,683 --> 00:27:56,283 What did you say? 536 00:27:56,283 --> 00:27:57,563 I think I said... 537 00:27:58,643 --> 00:28:02,003 I think I said to him, "If I suck your dick, can I leave early?" 538 00:28:02,003 --> 00:28:05,843 Something like that. You really said that? Yeah. 539 00:28:05,843 --> 00:28:07,763 But I liked him. 540 00:28:07,763 --> 00:28:09,443 That's key. 541 00:28:09,443 --> 00:28:11,603 He wasn't just some guy. And what did he say? 542 00:28:11,603 --> 00:28:13,203 He said, "Yes, you can." 543 00:28:14,163 --> 00:28:16,083 "Course you can." 544 00:28:16,083 --> 00:28:20,003 So then I sucked his dick, and then I left early. In the office? Yeah. 545 00:28:20,003 --> 00:28:21,603 And all the girls were... 546 00:28:21,603 --> 00:28:24,323 Not ALL the girls, but several of the girls had the same 547 00:28:24,323 --> 00:28:26,683 arrangement, I think. But think about it. Like, I'm going 548 00:28:26,683 --> 00:28:28,763 to sound really pious now, but... No, go ahead. 549 00:28:28,763 --> 00:28:32,483 Someone who wants to leave early but doesn't want to do that 550 00:28:32,483 --> 00:28:35,403 isn't going to leave early. Right. 551 00:28:35,403 --> 00:28:38,683 And so they're being, in a way, they're the losers 552 00:28:38,683 --> 00:28:41,643 in the transaction. Am I missing the point? 553 00:28:41,643 --> 00:28:45,003 Who's the loser? The one who can't leave early because she's like, 554 00:28:45,003 --> 00:28:48,243 "Well, I'm not going to give you a blow job, but I still want 555 00:28:48,243 --> 00:28:51,163 "to leave early." And he's like, "Uh-uh, it doesn't work like that. 556 00:28:51,163 --> 00:28:53,003 "You've got to tickle the pickle." 557 00:28:53,003 --> 00:28:55,563 No, he would never say to someone, though, like, 558 00:28:55,563 --> 00:28:57,803 "You have to do this if you want to leave early." 559 00:28:57,803 --> 00:29:01,203 Looking back on it, do you have the same view of it now 560 00:29:01,203 --> 00:29:03,483 or do you feel maybe he should have said, 561 00:29:03,483 --> 00:29:06,043 "No, that's totally inappropriate"? 562 00:29:06,043 --> 00:29:08,563 It's tricky because we were all very close friends 563 00:29:08,563 --> 00:29:11,163 and I really did like him. I had a crush on him. 564 00:29:11,163 --> 00:29:14,323 I have never sucked the dick of anyone I didn't like 565 00:29:14,323 --> 00:29:17,563 at the time, ever. I think, erm... 566 00:29:17,563 --> 00:29:20,003 If, um... OK, I was just worried if you... If my husband 567 00:29:20,003 --> 00:29:22,843 or the baby come in, they both know the story already, so don't worry. 568 00:29:22,843 --> 00:29:26,883 Thank you. What, you told the baby young? Told it in front of him, and he was listening. 569 00:29:26,883 --> 00:29:29,563 He's 15 months. Mm-hm. 570 00:29:29,563 --> 00:29:31,523 LOUIS SNORTS We don't censor ourselves. 571 00:29:31,523 --> 00:29:33,603 I don't think he would have understood that much. 572 00:29:33,603 --> 00:29:35,963 Just in case, though. I'd be worried... Yeah. 573 00:29:35,963 --> 00:29:39,163 ..if the baby was like, "You sucked off who?" 574 00:29:39,163 --> 00:29:40,963 CHUCKLING Yeah. 575 00:29:40,963 --> 00:29:45,403 If we zoom out, it kind of goes to the heart of, I suppose, 576 00:29:45,403 --> 00:29:49,843 a big question within feminism, right? About female power 577 00:29:49,843 --> 00:29:56,883 and to what extent using sexuality is powerful or not powerful, right? 578 00:29:56,883 --> 00:29:58,283 It's so tricky. 579 00:29:58,283 --> 00:30:02,123 And I feel like the journey for feminism in general 580 00:30:02,123 --> 00:30:04,683 and for each feminist is not a linear one. 581 00:30:04,683 --> 00:30:07,963 And we all deserve, like, grace for being young 582 00:30:07,963 --> 00:30:13,003 and for being, like... Trying to figure it out and receiving messages 583 00:30:13,003 --> 00:30:16,163 and how to translate those messages into positive behaviour. 584 00:30:16,163 --> 00:30:20,963 And I mean, I would be lying if I said I didn't feel happy 585 00:30:20,963 --> 00:30:24,803 and cared for and empowered, working at Hooters. 586 00:30:24,803 --> 00:30:28,043 But I think you've said that you get a lot of criticism 587 00:30:28,043 --> 00:30:30,203 from within the feminist community. 588 00:30:30,203 --> 00:30:34,843 People say that I can't be a feminist 589 00:30:34,843 --> 00:30:38,443 because I get plastic surgery, or I worked at Hooters, 590 00:30:38,443 --> 00:30:43,643 or because I present very, like, feminine sometimes. 591 00:30:43,643 --> 00:30:47,003 But I mean, I just don't... I don't really mind. 592 00:30:47,003 --> 00:30:48,523 CHILD GURGLES Hi, Fred! Look out. 593 00:30:48,523 --> 00:30:49,723 He can come. 594 00:30:49,723 --> 00:30:51,643 Trouble's coming. Mama. 595 00:30:51,643 --> 00:30:53,603 Fred, you want a cuddle? Wow. 596 00:30:53,603 --> 00:30:55,803 Hi! What a cutie. 597 00:30:55,803 --> 00:30:59,923 Hi. You want to say hello? Oh! What a cutie. 598 00:30:59,923 --> 00:31:01,803 Oh! This is Louis. 599 00:31:01,803 --> 00:31:03,763 Can you say "Hi, Louis"? How are you doing? 600 00:31:03,763 --> 00:31:08,003 I was talking about a place I worked called Hooters. 601 00:31:08,003 --> 00:31:10,963 You can come here if you want. Uh-oh! Uh-oh! I know. 602 00:31:10,963 --> 00:31:12,603 Isn't it crazy? Look at all this stuff. 603 00:31:12,603 --> 00:31:14,923 Go find your digger. Where is it? 604 00:31:14,923 --> 00:31:16,523 Where's the digger? 605 00:31:16,523 --> 00:31:19,123 Where's the dig-dig-digger? Digger. 606 00:31:19,123 --> 00:31:20,963 Aaah! 607 00:31:23,083 --> 00:31:24,683 He's so sweet. 608 00:31:26,043 --> 00:31:28,603 Katherine Ryan is someone special from Canada. 609 00:31:28,603 --> 00:31:31,843 APPLAUSE Thank you. 610 00:31:31,843 --> 00:31:33,603 I am from Canada. 611 00:31:33,603 --> 00:31:36,883 Are you all... Yeah! Are you from Canada? 612 00:31:36,883 --> 00:31:39,283 You just like Canadians? 613 00:31:39,283 --> 00:31:41,163 I'll change that. 614 00:31:41,163 --> 00:31:43,523 Katherine pursued comedy as a profession 615 00:31:43,523 --> 00:31:45,363 only once she'd moved to London. 616 00:31:45,363 --> 00:31:46,963 I am pregnant. Yay! 617 00:31:46,963 --> 00:31:50,123 Thank you. That's the same reaction my parents had. 618 00:31:51,723 --> 00:31:55,283 Combining gigging with life as a single mum to Violet, 619 00:31:55,283 --> 00:31:58,043 she found her voice on stage. 620 00:31:58,043 --> 00:32:02,123 But it was also around this time that she ran into problems 621 00:32:02,123 --> 00:32:04,123 in her private life. 622 00:32:04,123 --> 00:32:09,203 One of the most striking things about your journey is how, at a time 623 00:32:09,203 --> 00:32:13,643 when you were speaking out from a place of power, on stage, 624 00:32:13,643 --> 00:32:18,323 in your own life, you began seeing a guy who, by the sounds of it, 625 00:32:18,323 --> 00:32:20,123 was extremely toxic. 626 00:32:20,123 --> 00:32:21,683 I know. 627 00:32:21,683 --> 00:32:26,403 And I found it quite disturbing and extraordinary 628 00:32:26,403 --> 00:32:28,243 to read about, if I'm honest. 629 00:32:28,243 --> 00:32:31,763 Yeah, it is kind of disturbing now, but it surprised me, 630 00:32:31,763 --> 00:32:34,523 because at the time, I really normalised all of it. 631 00:32:34,523 --> 00:32:37,523 He's called, in the book, The Overlap. 632 00:32:37,523 --> 00:32:41,203 The Overlap. And he was someone you began seeing while you were 633 00:32:41,203 --> 00:32:45,043 kind of fizzling out with the relationship with the father 634 00:32:45,043 --> 00:32:48,123 of your daughter. Which is another... Hence "The Overlap". 635 00:32:48,123 --> 00:32:50,363 ..reason it's a bad time to make a decision. 636 00:32:50,363 --> 00:32:53,243 Any time you're in a vulnerable position, it's a really bad time 637 00:32:53,243 --> 00:32:54,963 to get into a new relationship. 638 00:32:54,963 --> 00:32:58,083 I had lots of anxiety back then, lots of feelings of inadequacy. 639 00:32:58,083 --> 00:33:01,283 I'd moved to a different country, far away from my family, 640 00:33:01,283 --> 00:33:04,283 had a grandchild that they never got to see. 641 00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:06,923 And I was going to have to go back home to my small town with my tail 642 00:33:06,923 --> 00:33:10,163 between my legs when everyone expected a lot from me. 643 00:33:10,163 --> 00:33:13,483 My parents always expected a lot from me. 644 00:33:13,483 --> 00:33:18,483 I felt so low about myself and I let myself meet this random dude 645 00:33:18,483 --> 00:33:22,763 on a train who insisted that I take my headphones out. 646 00:33:22,763 --> 00:33:26,683 And my initial reaction upon meeting this Overlap was like, 647 00:33:26,683 --> 00:33:28,843 what an asshole! Fuck off! 648 00:33:28,843 --> 00:33:30,923 Was he very good looking? 649 00:33:30,923 --> 00:33:32,043 No. 650 00:33:33,843 --> 00:33:35,083 I just... 651 00:33:35,083 --> 00:33:38,483 All of a sudden, someone was very interested in me. 652 00:33:38,483 --> 00:33:41,163 Very, very interested in me. 653 00:33:41,163 --> 00:33:46,523 Really romantic and kind of made me feel like, oh, you know, 654 00:33:46,523 --> 00:33:49,843 maybe this isn't the end of my romantic life, 655 00:33:49,843 --> 00:33:52,283 and I'm not damaged goods for being a single mum, 656 00:33:52,283 --> 00:33:54,843 and I can date this exciting musician guy. 657 00:33:54,843 --> 00:33:57,643 And then, he started treating me quite badly 658 00:33:57,643 --> 00:34:00,243 and being very controlling and getting really upset 659 00:34:00,243 --> 00:34:03,843 when I had any success, which I incidentally started to have. 660 00:34:03,843 --> 00:34:09,163 He was also openly pursuing other physical relationships, right? 661 00:34:09,163 --> 00:34:11,243 He invented a character, 662 00:34:11,243 --> 00:34:13,683 which he didn't signpost as a character. 663 00:34:13,683 --> 00:34:15,443 Called? Adam Diablo. 664 00:34:15,443 --> 00:34:17,003 So every time he went out, 665 00:34:17,003 --> 00:34:18,923 "Oh, Adam Diablo shagged this girl in the loos. 666 00:34:18,923 --> 00:34:20,563 "Oh, Adam Diablo was there again." 667 00:34:20,563 --> 00:34:23,083 Like, why have I never met this Adam Diablo? 668 00:34:23,083 --> 00:34:25,763 But then I learned through time. You didn't... 669 00:34:25,763 --> 00:34:29,083 Your spider senses didn't tingle at that point? 670 00:34:29,083 --> 00:34:32,603 What's great about dating a working single mother 671 00:34:32,603 --> 00:34:37,523 is they don't have loads of time to concentrate on what you are doing 672 00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:39,923 or if you're lying or check your phone. 673 00:34:39,923 --> 00:34:43,363 He could be really lovely. We'd have really lovely moments. 674 00:34:43,363 --> 00:34:46,443 Those moments became fewer and far between, but I thought, 675 00:34:46,443 --> 00:34:48,323 he's treated me badly and he's humiliated me 676 00:34:48,323 --> 00:34:49,523 in all of these ways, 677 00:34:49,523 --> 00:34:54,443 but if we can be a family and I can turn it all around, 678 00:34:54,443 --> 00:34:56,963 it's like none of that ever happened. 679 00:34:56,963 --> 00:34:59,083 And everyone will say, "Wow, Katherine!" 680 00:34:59,083 --> 00:35:03,643 It's almost a form of narcissism for me to be like, "I can change him." 681 00:35:03,643 --> 00:35:07,123 Like... And then one time, you woke up... 682 00:35:07,123 --> 00:35:08,923 Yeah. ..and what happened? 683 00:35:08,923 --> 00:35:10,363 It's quite extreme. 684 00:35:10,363 --> 00:35:12,163 But I just woke up.... 685 00:35:12,163 --> 00:35:14,203 Is this on the BBC? Really? 686 00:35:14,203 --> 00:35:17,843 OK. BBC Two. Oh, BBC Two. 687 00:35:17,843 --> 00:35:22,123 Then I woke up with cum all over me and I said, "What is this?" 688 00:35:22,123 --> 00:35:26,723 And he said, "Oh, I thought it would be sexy to masturbate 689 00:35:26,723 --> 00:35:29,523 "on you in the night. I took all these photos as well." 690 00:35:29,523 --> 00:35:33,323 He took so many, like, very explicit photos of himself. 691 00:35:33,323 --> 00:35:35,483 He always wanted, like, adoration and praise, 692 00:35:35,483 --> 00:35:37,163 constantly, constantly, constantly. 693 00:35:37,163 --> 00:35:42,963 And if I ever questioned him or, like, God forbid, ignored him, 694 00:35:42,963 --> 00:35:44,283 then he was really upset. 695 00:35:44,283 --> 00:35:46,003 How did it come to an end? 696 00:35:46,003 --> 00:35:50,003 It was just like an epiphany at some point that I went, 697 00:35:50,003 --> 00:35:54,003 "Oh, this guy just is horrible and I just don't want to be with him any more." 698 00:35:54,003 --> 00:35:55,683 I don't know. I think it was about 699 00:35:55,683 --> 00:35:59,483 hearing myself say enough times on stage 700 00:35:59,483 --> 00:36:04,083 that I knew his behaviour was wrong because even when I didn't live out 701 00:36:04,083 --> 00:36:07,163 this strength in my real life, I was able to take situations 702 00:36:07,163 --> 00:36:09,443 from my real life and talk about them on stage 703 00:36:09,443 --> 00:36:11,083 with a different ending. 704 00:36:11,083 --> 00:36:14,643 And I would say, "Oh, my God, this guy did this and this, 705 00:36:14,643 --> 00:36:16,803 "and here's what I said," but I never actually said 706 00:36:16,803 --> 00:36:18,043 that I was still with this guy. 707 00:36:18,043 --> 00:36:21,923 But I heard myself say it on stage enough times and it convinced me, 708 00:36:21,923 --> 00:36:26,043 like, "Wait, you know what to do, you're just not doing it." 709 00:36:26,043 --> 00:36:29,763 So in a way, your comedy brain was smarter 710 00:36:29,763 --> 00:36:32,203 than your normal brain, right? 711 00:36:32,203 --> 00:36:35,203 Oh, my comedy... Or more emotionally intuitive. 712 00:36:35,203 --> 00:36:38,443 My comedy brain is more smart and emotionally intuitive 713 00:36:38,443 --> 00:36:39,803 than my normal brain, for sure. 714 00:36:46,643 --> 00:36:48,163 All right. 715 00:36:48,163 --> 00:36:52,403 In a small comedy club in London's Covent Garden, Katherine was doing 716 00:36:52,403 --> 00:36:54,563 a short unannounced spot. 717 00:36:54,563 --> 00:36:57,043 Everyone's performed here, is what I'm getting. 718 00:36:57,043 --> 00:36:58,923 Yeah! Right? 719 00:36:58,923 --> 00:37:01,043 Is this like a holy space of comedy? 720 00:37:01,043 --> 00:37:03,083 It's a good one. 721 00:37:03,083 --> 00:37:07,403 It's got a very quintessential stand-up comedy club vibe, 722 00:37:07,403 --> 00:37:08,683 doesn't it? 723 00:37:08,683 --> 00:37:11,003 Tiny, tiny stage. Yeah. 724 00:37:11,003 --> 00:37:12,563 Tiny. 725 00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:14,643 One, two, one, two. 726 00:37:14,643 --> 00:37:18,123 Is this part of the process of generating new material? 727 00:37:18,123 --> 00:37:21,803 Going to open mic nights certainly is part of the process 728 00:37:21,803 --> 00:37:23,283 of generating new material. 729 00:37:23,283 --> 00:37:26,923 Ideally, you would write some ideas long before you arrive, 730 00:37:26,923 --> 00:37:29,603 and I don't have anything - like, I've just written this now. 731 00:37:29,603 --> 00:37:32,483 It sounds like you're underprepared. I'm totally underprepared. 732 00:37:32,483 --> 00:37:35,643 But, like, this is what you have to do also, I think, is make yourself 733 00:37:35,643 --> 00:37:38,523 uncomfortable and bomb - like, I'm prepared to bomb. 734 00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:40,043 I don't mind. 735 00:37:40,043 --> 00:37:43,643 For me, it was a chance to see Katherine in workshop mode. 736 00:37:43,643 --> 00:37:47,523 I'd come along for an insight into her creative process. 737 00:37:47,523 --> 00:37:54,163 I haven't done an open mic gig in three years. 738 00:37:54,163 --> 00:37:56,643 SHE EXHALES And it's not that I'm nervous. 739 00:37:56,643 --> 00:37:59,763 I'm just, like, bewildered, like, what am I going to say to these kids? 740 00:37:59,763 --> 00:38:03,683 What I'm hearing from you more and more is a kind of 741 00:38:03,683 --> 00:38:06,723 domestic happiness and a generosity of spirit and a real love 742 00:38:06,723 --> 00:38:08,403 that you and your husband have. 743 00:38:08,403 --> 00:38:12,123 Yeah. I don't know where to go from here. 744 00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:14,643 I just don't know what's next. 745 00:38:14,643 --> 00:38:16,283 But I really do love my husband. 746 00:38:16,283 --> 00:38:18,643 He could do no wrong in my life. Like, I just love him. 747 00:38:18,643 --> 00:38:20,443 Weird! Don't say that on stage. 748 00:38:20,443 --> 00:38:21,763 Why? Not funny. 749 00:38:21,763 --> 00:38:23,123 No, it's not. 750 00:38:23,123 --> 00:38:25,603 But like I'm just telling you, this is why I'm not funny! 751 00:38:25,603 --> 00:38:28,323 I need him to cheat on me. 752 00:38:28,323 --> 00:38:30,083 This has got to go bad. 753 00:38:30,083 --> 00:38:32,603 This has got to go bad if I'm ever going to be funny again. 754 00:38:33,923 --> 00:38:39,443 I mean, I had some material about my horse was a sex offender. 755 00:38:39,443 --> 00:38:41,083 Have you done this in a bit before? 756 00:38:41,083 --> 00:38:42,803 No, but it's just true about my life. 757 00:38:42,803 --> 00:38:44,243 That's quite good, I think. 758 00:38:44,243 --> 00:38:48,163 Louis, I don't think that I can come into a comedy club 759 00:38:48,163 --> 00:38:53,683 where 20-year-olds facing an energy crisis are gathering on a Wednesday 760 00:38:53,683 --> 00:38:56,043 and talk to them about the stables 761 00:38:56,043 --> 00:38:58,563 and my problems with my sex offender son, who's a horse. 762 00:39:00,283 --> 00:39:03,523 INDISTINCT CHATTER 763 00:39:06,803 --> 00:39:10,243 Scream and shout, please, for Katherine Ryan! 764 00:39:10,243 --> 00:39:12,723 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 765 00:39:19,723 --> 00:39:22,883 Oh, my God! Thank you so much. 766 00:39:22,883 --> 00:39:25,963 It's so nice to see you here. Gosh! What is, like, the normal age...? 767 00:39:25,963 --> 00:39:27,963 Like, give me a cheer if you're in your twenties. 768 00:39:27,963 --> 00:39:30,043 CHEERING 769 00:39:30,043 --> 00:39:31,923 We have nothing in common any more. 770 00:39:31,923 --> 00:39:34,283 LAUGHTER Oh, no! 771 00:39:34,283 --> 00:39:36,243 I don't know how I can relate to you guys. 772 00:39:36,243 --> 00:39:38,683 Like, I'm married and I'm really old now. 773 00:39:38,683 --> 00:39:40,403 I feel like I'm almost 40. 774 00:39:40,403 --> 00:39:43,523 Also, I have a heated swimming pool and no real problems. 775 00:39:43,523 --> 00:39:45,443 LAUGHTER 776 00:39:46,923 --> 00:39:49,723 I was trying to think about material that you would identify with, 777 00:39:49,723 --> 00:39:51,923 and I was like, "Oh, well, I had a problem with a horse 778 00:39:51,923 --> 00:39:53,563 "down at the stables." 779 00:39:53,563 --> 00:39:55,563 LAUGHTER 780 00:39:57,803 --> 00:39:59,483 Let me just try it. 781 00:39:59,483 --> 00:40:00,923 When your horse is misbehaving 782 00:40:00,923 --> 00:40:03,083 and you get a call from the stables. Am I right? 783 00:40:04,843 --> 00:40:07,963 I'd been concerned Katherine was going on without much to work with, 784 00:40:07,963 --> 00:40:10,083 but I needn't have been. 785 00:40:10,083 --> 00:40:13,403 I don't worry about being cancelled at all, because if I'm cancelled, 786 00:40:13,403 --> 00:40:15,243 it'll be for a joke I told a long time ago. 787 00:40:15,243 --> 00:40:16,363 Like, ten years ago. 788 00:40:16,363 --> 00:40:17,643 And when they print the story, 789 00:40:17,643 --> 00:40:20,203 they'll have to use a photo of me from ten years ago. 790 00:40:20,203 --> 00:40:21,723 LAUGHTER 791 00:40:21,723 --> 00:40:24,603 Seasoned over many hours of stage time, Katherine's ability 792 00:40:24,603 --> 00:40:28,283 to work a crowd was never in doubt. 793 00:40:29,483 --> 00:40:31,203 I don't know if I'm having a boy or a girl. 794 00:40:31,203 --> 00:40:34,003 Why don't you grow up and be more woke? 795 00:40:36,963 --> 00:40:38,843 You don't know if you're a boy or a girl. 796 00:40:38,843 --> 00:40:40,563 I don't know if I'm a boy or a girl. 797 00:40:42,323 --> 00:40:44,603 I don't see gender. Just race. 798 00:40:44,603 --> 00:40:46,283 No... LAUGHTER 799 00:40:46,283 --> 00:40:51,123 Her natural presence and quick wit keeping total control over the room. 800 00:40:51,123 --> 00:40:52,443 Thank you so much for having me. 801 00:40:52,443 --> 00:40:54,923 I'll see you soon. Please look after yourselves. 802 00:40:54,923 --> 00:40:57,003 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 803 00:41:00,723 --> 00:41:04,203 I think what's distinctive about your comedy is, 804 00:41:04,203 --> 00:41:08,763 among other things, is the sense of just owning your power. 805 00:41:08,763 --> 00:41:12,883 You just look like you belong there on stage. 806 00:41:12,883 --> 00:41:16,003 I feel like it's really relaxing being on stage. 807 00:41:16,003 --> 00:41:17,683 It's exciting, I like it. 808 00:41:17,683 --> 00:41:20,483 And, um... Now my life is busy, 809 00:41:20,483 --> 00:41:23,443 my, like, home life is always really busy. 810 00:41:23,443 --> 00:41:27,403 And when you're on stage, I just find it a place where, like... 811 00:41:27,403 --> 00:41:28,683 I don't know. 812 00:41:28,683 --> 00:41:30,523 I don't know if I go into, like, a trance. 813 00:41:30,523 --> 00:41:32,203 I just like it. I think it's relaxing. 814 00:41:32,203 --> 00:41:35,563 It feels like you're maybe slightly in a trance? 815 00:41:35,563 --> 00:41:38,443 Like a fugue state, almost? Maybe... What's fugue? 816 00:41:38,443 --> 00:41:43,123 It's that feeling of no... sort of no future, no past. 817 00:41:43,123 --> 00:41:45,363 Yes! Oh, that's called fugue? 818 00:41:45,363 --> 00:41:49,123 Well, fugue state is technically when you're in almost, like, 819 00:41:49,123 --> 00:41:50,923 a moment of amnesia. 820 00:41:50,923 --> 00:41:53,443 Right? I think. I like that. 821 00:41:53,443 --> 00:41:55,363 This is what it is. 822 00:41:55,363 --> 00:41:58,803 As much as my stand-up is dick jokes and everything else, I really want 823 00:41:58,803 --> 00:42:05,003 people to feel, like, infected by my genuine, like, peace... 824 00:42:06,083 --> 00:42:07,763 ..contentment with life, 825 00:42:07,763 --> 00:42:12,803 and I think that I've had different lives where I made 826 00:42:12,803 --> 00:42:15,323 really bad choices and I was really vulnerable, 827 00:42:15,323 --> 00:42:18,243 and I was a terrible example of a feminist, 828 00:42:18,243 --> 00:42:20,083 and then, just through... 829 00:42:21,483 --> 00:42:25,803 ..sheer, like, luck and gratitude and changing the way 830 00:42:25,803 --> 00:42:27,523 I thought about things, 831 00:42:27,523 --> 00:42:29,963 I started to have a wonderful life. 832 00:42:29,963 --> 00:42:33,283 And I do have a wonderful, peaceful life. 833 00:42:33,283 --> 00:42:36,363 I think a lot of comedy has been about 834 00:42:36,363 --> 00:42:39,363 advertising your failures, your failings. 835 00:42:39,363 --> 00:42:40,923 It seems to me yours isn't about that. 836 00:42:40,923 --> 00:42:43,603 And it's something maybe more interesting. 837 00:42:43,603 --> 00:42:45,603 There's no cringing, there's no apology. 838 00:42:45,603 --> 00:42:48,083 Even your face... It's not expressionless, 839 00:42:48,083 --> 00:42:51,883 but there's a certain aloofness, would you say? 840 00:42:51,883 --> 00:42:54,283 Sure. I feel like I'm talking too much. 841 00:42:54,283 --> 00:42:55,643 No. Am I mansplaining? 842 00:42:55,643 --> 00:42:58,603 Not at all, because you just taught me fugue. 843 00:42:58,603 --> 00:43:00,203 You might teach me something else. 844 00:43:00,203 --> 00:43:01,763 Do you know about feminism? 845 00:43:01,763 --> 00:43:03,323 It's very exciting. 846 00:43:03,323 --> 00:43:05,443 I don't think I do know about feminism, 847 00:43:05,443 --> 00:43:07,323 because I keep changing it every day. 848 00:43:07,323 --> 00:43:08,803 And that was me being ironic. 849 00:43:08,803 --> 00:43:10,723 That could get me in trouble. 850 00:43:14,003 --> 00:43:16,083 Thank you so much for coming today. 851 00:43:16,083 --> 00:43:17,563 Let's get Fred in. 852 00:43:17,563 --> 00:43:20,403 Eeh-oh! 853 00:43:20,403 --> 00:43:21,683 Yeah! Is he a good sleeper? 854 00:43:21,683 --> 00:43:23,843 Are you a good sleeper? He's getting better. 855 00:43:23,843 --> 00:43:26,123 FRED GURGLES 856 00:43:26,123 --> 00:43:27,843 That's not the answer I was expecting. 857 00:43:28,843 --> 00:43:30,403 Is he in your bed? 858 00:43:30,403 --> 00:43:32,683 He is in bed with me, yeah, and Bobby. 859 00:43:32,683 --> 00:43:35,083 In preparation for having TWO of them in bed with us! 860 00:43:35,083 --> 00:43:38,763 Nice. So that's how you'll work it? There'll be four of you in the bed. 861 00:43:38,763 --> 00:43:40,003 He's huge, too. 862 00:43:40,003 --> 00:43:41,883 He weighs as much as a cocker spaniel. 863 00:43:41,883 --> 00:43:44,683 To quote Jaws, "We're going to need a bigger bed." 864 00:43:44,683 --> 00:43:46,843 FRED SHOUTS