1 00:00:02,043 --> 00:00:03,628 [TV static drones] 2 00:00:03,712 --> 00:00:06,131 [bright tone] 3 00:00:19,352 --> 00:00:21,271 [ball bounces] 4 00:00:21,354 --> 00:00:24,232 [soft music] 5 00:00:24,315 --> 00:00:27,986 - It's the ultimate teamwork game. 6 00:00:28,069 --> 00:00:30,739 Some teams are beautiful to watch... 7 00:00:30,822 --> 00:00:32,240 so well coordinated. 8 00:00:32,323 --> 00:00:36,035 Everyone seems to be on the same page. 9 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:37,912 Some guy can just throw a pass, 10 00:00:37,996 --> 00:00:41,249 and you know the other guy is gonna be there. 11 00:00:41,332 --> 00:00:44,085 And it's like a melding of the minds. 12 00:00:44,169 --> 00:00:46,963 ♪ ♪ 13 00:00:47,046 --> 00:00:48,465 A lot of it has to do 14 00:00:48,548 --> 00:00:52,719 with respective players on the team. 15 00:00:52,802 --> 00:00:56,681 A lot of it has to do with an offense. 16 00:00:56,765 --> 00:00:58,308 But most of the time, 17 00:00:58,391 --> 00:01:00,518 it's some special player 18 00:01:00,602 --> 00:01:03,897 that makes that all work. 19 00:01:03,980 --> 00:01:07,692 ♪ ♪ 20 00:01:07,776 --> 00:01:11,905 Almost seem like a ballet, to be honest with you. 21 00:01:11,988 --> 00:01:13,615 The coordination, 22 00:01:13,698 --> 00:01:16,785 the beauty of these incredible athletes 23 00:01:16,868 --> 00:01:19,078 flying through the air, 24 00:01:19,162 --> 00:01:21,164 doing things that people... 25 00:01:21,247 --> 00:01:23,666 How did he do that? 26 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:26,169 And people think they see plays like that 27 00:01:26,252 --> 00:01:28,296 every once in a while, 28 00:01:28,379 --> 00:01:30,965 something that they haven't seen before. 29 00:01:31,049 --> 00:01:33,009 ♪ ♪ 30 00:01:33,092 --> 00:01:35,887 Those kind of players do it all the time. 31 00:01:35,970 --> 00:01:38,640 [clicks tongue] My goodness, I get excited 32 00:01:38,723 --> 00:01:40,225 just sitting here and talking about it. 33 00:01:40,308 --> 00:01:47,232 ♪ ♪ 34 00:02:02,205 --> 00:02:03,998 - When you talk about the best in basketball, 35 00:02:04,082 --> 00:02:06,292 it's 50 names that you can say. 36 00:02:06,376 --> 00:02:08,336 Really, 50 names you can say. 37 00:02:08,419 --> 00:02:10,630 From your father's era to your grandfather's era 38 00:02:10,713 --> 00:02:12,298 to my era to my kids' era. 39 00:02:12,382 --> 00:02:14,259 But when you talk about the most dominant, 40 00:02:14,342 --> 00:02:17,220 there's only two in all these eras-- 41 00:02:17,303 --> 00:02:19,055 Wilt Chamberlain and Shaquille O'Neal. 42 00:02:19,138 --> 00:02:20,723 And that's what people never understood about me. 43 00:02:20,807 --> 00:02:23,393 I don't want to be the best. Forget all that best. 44 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:25,979 I want you to fear me. I want you to be scared. 45 00:02:26,062 --> 00:02:28,565 I want you to be so scared, other 28 teams, 46 00:02:28,648 --> 00:02:31,943 that you go to the commissioner and you get the rules changed. 47 00:02:32,026 --> 00:02:34,195 I always thought it was quite interesting 48 00:02:34,279 --> 00:02:36,698 that in the summertime, you get 27 teams 49 00:02:36,781 --> 00:02:39,033 trying to figure out how to stop one man. 50 00:02:39,117 --> 00:02:42,036 - You know the new rules. The zone is no longer banned. 51 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,747 - So, before, you had to be in a certain area, 52 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:46,291 and then when the ball was passed, 53 00:02:46,374 --> 00:02:47,834 then a double could come. 54 00:02:47,917 --> 00:02:49,252 But now with the new rules, 55 00:02:49,335 --> 00:02:51,045 you can just put two guys on you. 56 00:02:51,129 --> 00:02:53,131 Put a guy in front. You can put a guy in back. 57 00:02:53,214 --> 00:02:55,300 You can put a guy on the side of me. 58 00:02:55,383 --> 00:02:57,218 When I want to do something, I'm gonna get it done, 59 00:02:57,302 --> 00:02:59,679 'cause I know I had to dominate to win. 60 00:02:59,762 --> 00:03:01,222 I don't want to be the guy that goes, 61 00:03:01,306 --> 00:03:02,932 "Oh, he went to LSU, the first pick, 62 00:03:03,016 --> 00:03:04,559 but he didn't do nothing"-- I don't want that. 63 00:03:04,642 --> 00:03:07,604 I want, "Went to LSU, first pick, 64 00:03:07,687 --> 00:03:09,731 NBA champion, Hall of Fame." 65 00:03:09,814 --> 00:03:11,733 That's dominance. 66 00:03:11,816 --> 00:03:15,737 - He was so good, it was almost boring to him, 67 00:03:15,820 --> 00:03:19,407 and when Shaq wanted to play, it was over. 68 00:03:19,490 --> 00:03:20,658 We were gonna win. 69 00:03:20,742 --> 00:03:22,869 But he didn't always want to play. 70 00:03:22,952 --> 00:03:24,787 - No. Shaq didn't like to practice, 71 00:03:24,871 --> 00:03:27,624 but I made exceptions for Shaq. 72 00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:29,959 Shaq, I kind of told, you know, "Really take it easy. 73 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:31,336 "This has been a long season. 74 00:03:31,419 --> 00:03:33,004 "You put a lot of minutes on the floor. 75 00:03:33,087 --> 00:03:34,589 "Your body needs to really heal 76 00:03:34,672 --> 00:03:35,798 "and come back in September 77 00:03:35,882 --> 00:03:37,216 and start getting ready for the year." 78 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:39,469 And he did--he came back about September 28the 79 00:03:39,552 --> 00:03:41,012 and started getting ready for the year 80 00:03:41,095 --> 00:03:42,305 instead of September 1st. 81 00:03:42,388 --> 00:03:44,474 - Since I'm playing against these bums in the NBA, 82 00:03:44,557 --> 00:03:45,808 I'm not working out in the summer. 83 00:03:45,892 --> 00:03:47,268 For what? For who? 84 00:03:47,352 --> 00:03:48,937 I'll get in shape when I get in shape. 85 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:51,981 It's impossible for me to Hack-A-Shaq, 86 00:03:52,065 --> 00:03:55,360 double team, triple team, play 38 minutes a game, 87 00:03:55,443 --> 00:03:56,819 and then work out in the summer. 88 00:03:56,903 --> 00:04:00,281 I'm gonna wear myself out. You need to recoup and rest. 89 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:02,617 So I will rest. 90 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:05,161 The good thing about having the weight when I play, 91 00:04:05,244 --> 00:04:08,373 it was extra meat, extra cushion 92 00:04:08,456 --> 00:04:10,959 for the brutality that I was getting ready to face. 93 00:04:11,042 --> 00:04:12,043 I got 395. 94 00:04:12,126 --> 00:04:15,296 When you little fleas would fly, man, 95 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:16,756 I didn't even feel it. 96 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,049 Get off of me, little flea. 97 00:04:18,132 --> 00:04:21,886 ♪ ♪ 98 00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:24,138 - There had been friction before I got there, 99 00:04:24,222 --> 00:04:25,890 so it had to be remedied. 100 00:04:25,974 --> 00:04:27,850 Shaq wanted to be his big brother, 101 00:04:27,934 --> 00:04:29,686 and Kobe said, "I don't need a brother." 102 00:04:29,769 --> 00:04:32,647 They were gonna be separate and different 103 00:04:32,730 --> 00:04:33,982 right off the start. 104 00:04:34,065 --> 00:04:37,652 Kobe said, "I'm not interested in spinner hubcaps or girls 105 00:04:37,735 --> 00:04:38,945 "or whatever's going on there. 106 00:04:39,028 --> 00:04:40,780 I'm interested in basketball." 107 00:04:40,863 --> 00:04:43,366 ♪ ♪ 108 00:04:43,449 --> 00:04:45,576 - Kobe wanted to play at times from the outside in. 109 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:47,537 Shaq always felt inside out. 110 00:04:47,620 --> 00:04:51,374 - I think that Kobe felt like Shaq's mere presence 111 00:04:51,457 --> 00:04:53,918 and dominance by default 112 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:56,921 slowed down his presence and dominance. 113 00:04:57,005 --> 00:04:59,882 So, in 2001, I think you started to see 114 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:03,553 where Kobe wanted more. 115 00:05:03,636 --> 00:05:09,183 And Shaq had to be real, like, taking a step back from 2000. 116 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:10,893 He wasn't in the same condition, 117 00:05:10,977 --> 00:05:12,395 trying to manage his body. 118 00:05:12,478 --> 00:05:14,188 He had knickknacks and bumps and bruises 119 00:05:14,272 --> 00:05:15,565 as far as injuries, 120 00:05:15,648 --> 00:05:17,525 so he couldn't be that same guy. 121 00:05:17,608 --> 00:05:20,695 - The Shaq in Orlando, he's 285, 290. 122 00:05:20,778 --> 00:05:22,989 The Shaq with the Lakers was plus-300. 123 00:05:23,072 --> 00:05:24,032 We all knew that. 124 00:05:24,115 --> 00:05:26,868 So, when Shaq had an injury, 125 00:05:26,951 --> 00:05:29,037 we know it had something to do with his weight. 126 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,539 That's when Kobe would get frustrated and said, 127 00:05:31,622 --> 00:05:34,417 "Big Fella, I need you. You no help to us hurt. 128 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:36,252 Come into camp in shape." 129 00:05:36,335 --> 00:05:38,046 And that's where the bickering. 130 00:05:38,129 --> 00:05:41,257 Never about money. Never about shots. 131 00:05:41,340 --> 00:05:43,051 It was about him being in shape 132 00:05:43,134 --> 00:05:44,761 and being available for the team. 133 00:05:44,844 --> 00:05:48,431 - Kobe never did anything on the down-low. 134 00:05:48,514 --> 00:05:52,810 Everything he said, he said publicly and took claim for it. 135 00:05:52,894 --> 00:05:56,064 And his frustration, he'd talk about it on the record 136 00:05:56,147 --> 00:05:58,775 and say, "If I think he's out of shape, 137 00:05:58,858 --> 00:06:00,401 I'm gonna say he's out of shape." 138 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:02,070 - You got to have thick skin, 139 00:06:02,153 --> 00:06:03,571 'cause when you grow up with a drill sergeant, 140 00:06:03,654 --> 00:06:05,031 you have thick skin. 141 00:06:05,114 --> 00:06:06,783 That's why every day I try to look up 142 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:08,284 and say, "Thank you, Sarge." 143 00:06:08,367 --> 00:06:09,410 You can't hurt my feelings 144 00:06:09,494 --> 00:06:10,745 with what you say and what you write. 145 00:06:10,828 --> 00:06:13,748 But I am human--I'm gonna get pissed off about it. 146 00:06:13,831 --> 00:06:15,416 - You can compartmentalize those things, 147 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:18,127 which people that are great almost at anything 148 00:06:18,211 --> 00:06:20,338 have an ability to compartmentalize 149 00:06:20,421 --> 00:06:22,465 what they're feeling at a certain time 150 00:06:22,548 --> 00:06:24,801 in order to complete this project. 151 00:06:24,884 --> 00:06:26,427 - I've learned from an early age 152 00:06:26,511 --> 00:06:28,262 to take criticism during the motivation. 153 00:06:28,346 --> 00:06:29,722 And I had to develop that method 154 00:06:29,806 --> 00:06:31,307 'cause I wasn't allowed to fight all the time. 155 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:34,811 So I had to develop ways of just compart-- 156 00:06:34,894 --> 00:06:36,312 compart--what's the word? 157 00:06:36,395 --> 00:06:37,647 - Compartmentalize. - Yes. 158 00:06:37,730 --> 00:06:40,775 I had to develop ways of compartmentalizing things. 159 00:06:40,858 --> 00:06:44,946 - And we had some master compartmentalizers. 160 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:46,239 - Even with the Kobe thing, 161 00:06:46,322 --> 00:06:48,282 I would say stuff, and he would say stuff. 162 00:06:48,366 --> 00:06:49,909 And it was perfect, 'cause everything-- 163 00:06:49,992 --> 00:06:51,786 every time you watch the game, 164 00:06:51,869 --> 00:06:54,038 you worry about what's going on between us, 165 00:06:54,122 --> 00:06:56,499 but you didn't even know what we was doing on the inside, 166 00:06:56,582 --> 00:06:58,251 and that's why we we're able to... 167 00:06:58,334 --> 00:06:59,836 [snapping fingers] 168 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:01,003 - The defending champs 169 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:03,506 playing their best basketball of the season. 170 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:04,507 They won their last eight. 171 00:07:04,590 --> 00:07:07,802 - The success that the team had continued 172 00:07:07,885 --> 00:07:11,681 regardless of what's going on between Shaq and Kobe. 173 00:07:11,764 --> 00:07:14,225 - And the Lakers cannot play better than this. 174 00:07:14,308 --> 00:07:16,686 - We were just on a mission. Like, we were just hot. 175 00:07:16,769 --> 00:07:18,729 Everybody was healthy. We was playing well. 176 00:07:18,813 --> 00:07:20,898 And everybody knew their role. 177 00:07:20,982 --> 00:07:22,608 Throw it in to Shaq, 178 00:07:22,692 --> 00:07:23,901 Kobe going to get his shots, 179 00:07:23,985 --> 00:07:26,112 and when we kick it to y'all, y'all do what y'all do. 180 00:07:26,195 --> 00:07:28,990 But, like, everyone was just great, and that was our goal. 181 00:07:29,073 --> 00:07:32,326 - Winning one is difficult. 182 00:07:32,410 --> 00:07:34,203 Then to win back-to-back, 183 00:07:34,287 --> 00:07:37,039 that's even harder 184 00:07:37,123 --> 00:07:39,375 because everybody is gunning for you. 185 00:07:39,458 --> 00:07:42,837 Everybody made trades that summer to beat you, 186 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,715 to beat the champ. 187 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:48,718 [triumphant music] 188 00:07:48,801 --> 00:07:50,720 ♪ ♪ 189 00:07:50,803 --> 00:07:53,556 - Shaq with the rebound. Oh! 190 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:55,057 - And the Lakers have swept 191 00:07:55,141 --> 00:07:57,518 the Portland Trail Blazers in the first round. 192 00:07:57,602 --> 00:08:00,521 ♪ ♪ 193 00:08:00,605 --> 00:08:02,398 - O'Neal gets it deep again. 194 00:08:02,481 --> 00:08:04,358 O'Neal powering in. 195 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:07,612 A dominating performance from Shaquille O'Neal. 196 00:08:07,695 --> 00:08:09,655 - Isolated by his side, elevates, shoots. 197 00:08:09,739 --> 00:08:11,699 Count the bucket, and he's fouled. 198 00:08:11,782 --> 00:08:13,743 And he tells the crowd to hush. 199 00:08:13,826 --> 00:08:16,120 ♪ ♪ 200 00:08:16,204 --> 00:08:17,997 - And a rebound battle on the floor. 201 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,875 Finally grabbed by O'Neal, and he slammed it in. 202 00:08:20,958 --> 00:08:23,377 - Los Angeles Lakers running the table 203 00:08:23,461 --> 00:08:26,255 through the first three rounds. 204 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:28,591 Their third-consecutive sweep, 205 00:08:28,674 --> 00:08:30,134 as they defeat the Spurs... 206 00:08:30,218 --> 00:08:31,260 - I love titles. 207 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:33,930 I would love to be the first team to go undefeated. 208 00:08:34,013 --> 00:08:36,182 Wilt didn't do that. Kareem didn't do that. 209 00:08:36,265 --> 00:08:37,725 I just love titles. 210 00:08:37,808 --> 00:08:40,102 - And so here we were having handled everybody 211 00:08:40,186 --> 00:08:41,938 in the playoffs so quickly, 212 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:46,359 we had this two-week window of being off. 213 00:08:46,442 --> 00:08:48,361 When you know that a championship 214 00:08:48,444 --> 00:08:50,321 is only four games away, 215 00:08:50,404 --> 00:08:53,241 it's time to plan for being a back-to-back champion. 216 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:54,909 We had way too much time off. 217 00:08:54,992 --> 00:08:56,577 We got a little stale, 218 00:08:56,661 --> 00:08:58,454 but it wasn't anybody that was gonna beat us, 219 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:00,748 not that year. 220 00:09:00,831 --> 00:09:03,251 - Too much to say. - Shot clock turned off. 221 00:09:03,334 --> 00:09:05,294 Final seconds, third quarter, 222 00:09:05,378 --> 00:09:06,796 Iverson double-teamed, 223 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:08,798 hoists up the three. [buzzer sounds] 224 00:09:08,881 --> 00:09:10,466 Good! At the buzzer! 225 00:09:10,549 --> 00:09:12,260 For the first time in 18 years, 226 00:09:12,343 --> 00:09:14,720 the Sixers are going back to the NBA Finals. 227 00:09:14,804 --> 00:09:17,473 - Hey, man, Philadelphia. 228 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:24,522 ♪ ♪ 229 00:09:37,994 --> 00:09:39,287 - Final seconds. 230 00:09:39,370 --> 00:09:41,831 Here's Snow, fired one. [buzzer sounds] 231 00:09:41,914 --> 00:09:45,251 And it won't got down. 232 00:09:45,334 --> 00:09:47,295 - We knew we can win before we came here. 233 00:09:47,378 --> 00:09:49,380 That's the way we are. You know, we play hard. 234 00:09:49,463 --> 00:09:51,340 We came in here expecting to win, you know? 235 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:53,342 Everybody already counted us out. 236 00:09:53,426 --> 00:09:55,344 We're not gonna act like won it all right now 237 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:58,055 'cause we still have some more business ahead of us. 238 00:09:58,139 --> 00:09:59,557 You know, we just gonna keep playing hard 239 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,684 and whatever happens happens. 240 00:10:01,767 --> 00:10:03,894 - They win. 241 00:10:03,978 --> 00:10:05,479 They win. 242 00:10:05,563 --> 00:10:06,981 - We were rusty. 243 00:10:07,064 --> 00:10:09,525 AI goes--he goes AI. 244 00:10:09,608 --> 00:10:11,319 And they had their rhythm 245 00:10:11,402 --> 00:10:13,487 from consistently playing in the playoffs. 246 00:10:13,571 --> 00:10:15,823 - We get in the locker room, Phil Jackson tells us, 247 00:10:15,906 --> 00:10:18,492 "Shut the fuck up and listen." 248 00:10:18,576 --> 00:10:20,661 So it was our locker room, another locker room, 249 00:10:20,745 --> 00:10:21,996 and then you could hear their locker room. 250 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:23,539 And they're down there partying. 251 00:10:23,622 --> 00:10:25,166 He said, "Y'all out there bullshitting. 252 00:10:25,249 --> 00:10:26,834 "We could've went 16-0, 253 00:10:26,917 --> 00:10:29,503 and y'all out there fucking around today." 254 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:31,839 We had to get refocused. 255 00:10:31,922 --> 00:10:34,717 - And I remember being asked, like, "Are you guys concerned?" 256 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,260 It was like, "Yeah, nah. 257 00:10:36,344 --> 00:10:37,511 We're gonna win the next four games." 258 00:10:37,595 --> 00:10:38,804 [chuckles] 'Cause you just knew. 259 00:10:38,888 --> 00:10:41,265 They're playing over their heads right now, 260 00:10:41,349 --> 00:10:43,934 and that's the worst you're gonna see from us. 261 00:10:45,353 --> 00:10:47,063 Yeah, this is just a matter of time. 262 00:10:47,146 --> 00:10:49,357 - Dikembe, you were in an unbelievable battle down low. 263 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,359 How tough was it against Shaq tonight? 264 00:10:51,442 --> 00:10:52,526 - I think it was great. 265 00:10:52,610 --> 00:10:54,528 I think I did a great job all game. 266 00:10:54,612 --> 00:10:57,531 I knew that my presence on the floor was very important. 267 00:10:57,615 --> 00:10:59,533 I'm glad that I was able to stay there 268 00:10:59,617 --> 00:11:02,703 and help my team win this ball game. 269 00:11:02,787 --> 00:11:05,039 - When I get mad, it's over. 270 00:11:05,122 --> 00:11:07,041 I like Dikembe. I like AI. 271 00:11:07,124 --> 00:11:09,043 I don't really have any animosity towards them, 272 00:11:09,126 --> 00:11:11,670 so I don't have a source of anger that I can play from. 273 00:11:11,754 --> 00:11:13,756 Then Jerome comes in early in the morning 274 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:14,924 before shootaround. 275 00:11:15,007 --> 00:11:17,093 "Did you hear what Dikembe said?" 276 00:11:17,176 --> 00:11:18,886 I'm eating cereal, Frosted Flakes. 277 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:21,639 No, what'd he say? 278 00:11:21,722 --> 00:11:23,808 - Hey, listen, Mutombo said he gonna play you one-on-one. 279 00:11:23,891 --> 00:11:28,437 - That... that is a sign of disrespect. 280 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:29,772 - They disrespecting you. 281 00:11:29,855 --> 00:11:31,023 - I'm like, "He didn't say that." 282 00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:33,109 - This the report he gave to the paper. 283 00:11:33,192 --> 00:11:34,735 - So now I read it. 284 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:36,737 [imitating Dikembe] "I'm the defensive player of the year. 285 00:11:36,821 --> 00:11:37,947 "We don't double-team. 286 00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:39,615 "I'm going to play him one-on-one. 287 00:11:39,698 --> 00:11:40,991 He's an okay player." 288 00:11:43,202 --> 00:11:44,703 [normal voice] Now I'm pissed off. 289 00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:48,082 [crunching] I'm busting your ass tonight. 290 00:11:48,165 --> 00:11:50,084 [announcer speaks indistinctly] 291 00:11:50,167 --> 00:11:54,463 ♪ ♪ 292 00:11:54,547 --> 00:11:56,298 - Big ovation for the Lakers. 293 00:11:56,382 --> 00:12:00,594 ♪ ♪ 294 00:12:00,678 --> 00:12:03,222 - Pretty well here in this first period. 295 00:12:03,305 --> 00:12:05,808 - Able to get terrific position. 296 00:12:05,891 --> 00:12:07,977 - And he just powers himself through Mutombo 297 00:12:08,060 --> 00:12:09,687 for his sixth foul. 298 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:12,690 - Well, it is a pressure game for the Philadelphia 76ers. 299 00:12:12,773 --> 00:12:13,816 - Rebound down to O'Neal. 300 00:12:13,899 --> 00:12:15,568 O'Neal going up, and he slams the ball. 301 00:12:15,651 --> 00:12:18,946 - A facial served up on Mutombo. 302 00:12:19,029 --> 00:12:22,158 - That series was a difficult series for Dikembe, 303 00:12:22,241 --> 00:12:24,285 but I admire his attempt. 304 00:12:24,368 --> 00:12:28,289 - Wow, Shaquille O'Neal with a ferocious right-hand jam. 305 00:12:28,372 --> 00:12:30,291 - Shaq underneath, another slam dunk! 306 00:12:30,374 --> 00:12:31,792 - Shaq... [whistle blows] 307 00:12:31,876 --> 00:12:33,335 Moves, baseline, shoots. 308 00:12:33,419 --> 00:12:36,464 Score it, O'Neal makes a power move. 309 00:12:36,547 --> 00:12:43,512 ♪ ♪ 310 00:12:59,987 --> 00:13:02,531 - Whole lot of Shaquille O'Neal. 311 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:06,076 That's all it was-- whole lot of Shaquille O'Neal. 312 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,329 - Two consecutive MVPs. 313 00:13:08,412 --> 00:13:11,373 Congratulations, Shaquille O'Neal, 314 00:13:11,457 --> 00:13:13,542 the 2001 Finals. 315 00:13:13,626 --> 00:13:20,633 ♪ ♪ 316 00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:30,059 - Only thing that was going through my mind 317 00:13:30,142 --> 00:13:32,061 was the method that my father always taught. 318 00:13:32,144 --> 00:13:34,063 - I love you, boy. I love you. 319 00:13:34,146 --> 00:13:37,983 - He told me to look at it while the moment is here 320 00:13:38,067 --> 00:13:40,861 and then take it off and start focusing on the next moment. 321 00:13:40,945 --> 00:13:42,029 In this world we live in, 322 00:13:42,112 --> 00:13:44,031 nobody cares about what you did yesterday. 323 00:13:44,114 --> 00:13:46,075 They only care about what you do tomorrow. 324 00:13:46,158 --> 00:13:53,040 ♪ ♪ 325 00:13:53,123 --> 00:13:55,042 - Understanding Phil over the years, 326 00:13:55,125 --> 00:13:56,794 you could tell that the Sarge 327 00:13:56,877 --> 00:13:59,713 ran the house with a pretty firm arm. 328 00:13:59,797 --> 00:14:02,424 - One thing I will always have is discipline. 329 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:05,261 Got the military discipline from Sergeant Phillip Harrison, 330 00:14:05,344 --> 00:14:08,722 and I got the law enforcement discipline from Michael Parish 331 00:14:08,806 --> 00:14:10,015 and Jerome Crawford. 332 00:14:10,099 --> 00:14:11,642 And when you put those two together, 333 00:14:11,725 --> 00:14:13,561 nothing can go wrong. 334 00:14:13,644 --> 00:14:14,979 As a kid, I used to... 335 00:14:15,062 --> 00:14:16,355 "What do you want to do when you grow up?" 336 00:14:16,438 --> 00:14:19,942 A basketball player, a rapper, a cop. 337 00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:23,112 - Yeah, he has a passion for law enforcement. 338 00:14:23,195 --> 00:14:25,447 - When I was coming up, we had neighborhood policing. 339 00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:27,366 Put certain cops in certain neighborhoods, 340 00:14:27,449 --> 00:14:29,201 and they would know everybody. 341 00:14:29,285 --> 00:14:31,120 The thing about Uncle Mike and Jerome, 342 00:14:31,203 --> 00:14:34,456 they used to go in the projects, no guns, no nothing, 343 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:35,958 and get ultimate respect. 344 00:14:36,041 --> 00:14:39,795 Now that I exhibit certain leadership qualities 345 00:14:39,878 --> 00:14:43,090 within the community, I relate to people. 346 00:14:43,173 --> 00:14:44,592 I know what to do. 347 00:14:44,675 --> 00:14:47,511 I'm gonna go to the police academy. 348 00:14:47,595 --> 00:14:49,805 - You know, I was on the street for a long time 349 00:14:49,888 --> 00:14:50,931 out there in Newark, 350 00:14:51,015 --> 00:14:53,976 and I know what the streets bring, you know? 351 00:14:54,059 --> 00:14:56,645 I never encouraged him to do it. 352 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:58,731 I wouldn't encourage him to do it, 353 00:14:58,814 --> 00:15:00,149 but that's the passion he has. 354 00:15:00,232 --> 00:15:02,776 You know, he wants to be involved. 355 00:15:02,860 --> 00:15:04,278 - I'm gonna show them that, 356 00:15:04,361 --> 00:15:06,822 hey, I'm serious about this law-enforcement thing. 357 00:15:06,905 --> 00:15:09,783 And I was working for the Los Angeles Port Police. 358 00:15:09,867 --> 00:15:11,744 I did what all the guys did. 359 00:15:11,827 --> 00:15:13,787 I did patrol, became a detective, 360 00:15:13,871 --> 00:15:17,207 made arrests, did interviews, all that stuff. 361 00:15:17,291 --> 00:15:19,251 - She he's going into the police academy. 362 00:15:19,335 --> 00:15:21,003 He's making believe he's a cop, 363 00:15:21,086 --> 00:15:23,172 and he came in one morning, 364 00:15:23,255 --> 00:15:26,634 and he started frisking me like I was a criminal. 365 00:15:26,717 --> 00:15:28,260 - And Shaq was always around there 366 00:15:28,344 --> 00:15:30,471 trying to play police with Gary Vitti. 367 00:15:30,554 --> 00:15:31,639 You know, "Get up against the wall." 368 00:15:31,722 --> 00:15:35,017 - Okay, it was cute. It was funny. 369 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:39,438 Everybody got a kick out of it, but now he continued to do it. 370 00:15:39,521 --> 00:15:41,857 So, like, every morning now I'm getting beat up. 371 00:15:41,940 --> 00:15:43,317 - You know, and then for a while, you know, 372 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,444 it was funny to Vitti, but after a while, you know, 373 00:15:45,527 --> 00:15:48,155 man, come on, man, you know, enough's enough. 374 00:15:48,238 --> 00:15:49,156 - And did he tell you 375 00:15:49,239 --> 00:15:51,033 about the little boxing match we had one time? 376 00:15:51,116 --> 00:15:54,328 - And there was one morning, I'd kind of had it. 377 00:15:54,411 --> 00:15:55,996 It's not funny anymore. 378 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,581 I was busy, and I told him, I said, 379 00:15:57,665 --> 00:16:00,167 "Don't start with me today. I'm busy, okay?" 380 00:16:00,250 --> 00:16:02,419 "What? Get up against the wall." 381 00:16:02,503 --> 00:16:04,630 I said, "I'm not kidding. I'm busy, all right?" 382 00:16:04,713 --> 00:16:06,590 And I started walking away, and he grabbed me 383 00:16:06,674 --> 00:16:08,467 and shoved me up against the wall. 384 00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:11,720 And he reached around the front of me, 385 00:16:11,804 --> 00:16:13,305 and so I bit him. 386 00:16:13,389 --> 00:16:14,890 And he turned around and looked at everybody 387 00:16:14,973 --> 00:16:16,225 in the training room, and he yelled, 388 00:16:16,308 --> 00:16:17,893 "He's resisting arrest." 389 00:16:17,976 --> 00:16:20,270 - He put his hands up like he wanted to fight. 390 00:16:20,354 --> 00:16:24,191 - And he went to wind up to punch me, 391 00:16:24,274 --> 00:16:26,902 and I saw it coming, so I turned. 392 00:16:26,985 --> 00:16:30,531 And he hit me right in the back of my pelvis. 393 00:16:30,614 --> 00:16:33,409 - Boom! So he falls. [imitates groaning] 394 00:16:33,492 --> 00:16:35,703 - Yeah, I thought he killed the guy. 395 00:16:35,786 --> 00:16:37,579 I'm like, "Come on, man." 396 00:16:37,663 --> 00:16:41,208 Vitti in there, he moaning and groaning and grabbing his side. 397 00:16:41,291 --> 00:16:43,794 I'm like, "Oh, Lord, we in trouble." 398 00:16:43,877 --> 00:16:45,754 - [imitates groaning, chuckles] 399 00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:48,048 So Uncle Jerome didn't want me to get in trouble. 400 00:16:48,132 --> 00:16:49,758 Uncle Jerome closed the door. 401 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,552 "Man, what'd I tell you about putting your hands on--" 402 00:16:51,635 --> 00:16:52,553 So we... [laughs] 403 00:16:52,636 --> 00:16:54,096 So we in there trying to console Gary 404 00:16:54,179 --> 00:16:55,431 so he don't tell on us. 405 00:16:55,514 --> 00:16:57,641 Gary's on the table... [panting] 406 00:16:57,725 --> 00:17:00,811 - I had to get two injections from Dr. Lombardo, 407 00:17:00,894 --> 00:17:02,563 our team physician, to walk. 408 00:17:02,646 --> 00:17:04,857 - [panting] He's, like, in tears. 409 00:17:04,940 --> 00:17:06,233 So, like, me and Jerome are, "Okay, okay." 410 00:17:06,316 --> 00:17:09,278 But one thing about Gary, he never ratted me out. 411 00:17:09,361 --> 00:17:11,905 - He was colorful. He was playful. 412 00:17:11,989 --> 00:17:15,701 You wanted him to love you 'cause he's full of love. 413 00:17:15,784 --> 00:17:17,411 He's full of it. 414 00:17:17,494 --> 00:17:19,038 Yeah, until he's not. 415 00:17:19,121 --> 00:17:22,916 ♪ ♪ 416 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,087 - The motivation to stay on top is to prove legacy. 417 00:17:27,171 --> 00:17:28,589 You wanted to be legendary. 418 00:17:28,672 --> 00:17:30,299 You want to be remembered as a dynasty. 419 00:17:30,382 --> 00:17:31,341 You want to be remembered 420 00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:34,470 as someone that dominated for an era, 421 00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:38,891 and that was the drive in season three for us. 422 00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:40,809 Now we're being hunted. 423 00:17:40,893 --> 00:17:42,352 Now people want to take us out. 424 00:17:42,436 --> 00:17:49,401 ♪ ♪ 425 00:18:10,589 --> 00:18:12,674 - The two-time defending NBA champions 426 00:18:12,758 --> 00:18:14,176 are headed once again 427 00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:17,471 for the Western Conference Final series. 428 00:18:17,554 --> 00:18:20,015 Standing ovation for the Lakers. 429 00:18:20,098 --> 00:18:24,520 ♪ ♪ 430 00:18:27,898 --> 00:18:30,651 - The battles against the Sacramento Kings 431 00:18:30,734 --> 00:18:32,611 were probably the toughest battles of my career, 432 00:18:32,694 --> 00:18:33,987 and I don't even know why. 433 00:18:34,071 --> 00:18:35,614 - But we had this up-and-coming team 434 00:18:35,697 --> 00:18:37,157 from Northern California. 435 00:18:37,241 --> 00:18:39,451 You had the Lakers down in Southern California. 436 00:18:39,535 --> 00:18:41,537 One team that had no tradition at all. 437 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:43,205 One team that had all the tradition. 438 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:46,834 Phil Jackson kind of inciting their fans, 439 00:18:46,917 --> 00:18:48,377 calling them farmers 440 00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:51,380 and just talking about them bringing cowbells to the game. 441 00:18:51,463 --> 00:18:54,383 Shaq calling them... both: The Sacramento Queens. 442 00:18:54,466 --> 00:18:57,427 - So there was this rivalry brewing. 443 00:18:57,511 --> 00:18:59,888 [indistinct chanting] 444 00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:01,056 - They were together. 445 00:19:01,139 --> 00:19:04,226 They had C Webb. They had Vlade. 446 00:19:04,309 --> 00:19:06,979 They had Stojakovic. They had a couple tough guys. 447 00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:08,897 And they had the belief. 448 00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:11,024 And they really believed they can beat us. 449 00:19:11,108 --> 00:19:12,693 ♪ ♪ 450 00:19:12,776 --> 00:19:15,863 - Know thy self. Know thy enemy. 451 00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:20,367 1,000 battles, 1,000 victories. 452 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:21,910 - It's the dream matchup. 453 00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:25,581 Western Conference Final game one, best of seven. 454 00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,959 - Defender, shake and bake. - O'Neal just dumps it in. 455 00:19:29,042 --> 00:19:31,253 A little extra pushing and shoving and talking. 456 00:19:31,336 --> 00:19:33,589 - Offensive foul, mental breakdown. 457 00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:36,008 - O'Neal gets his own rebound. [whistle blows] 458 00:19:36,091 --> 00:19:37,676 - And one. Shaquille O'Neal. 459 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:40,095 [buzzer sounds] - And they take game one. 460 00:19:40,178 --> 00:19:44,099 - Your Sacramento Kings! 461 00:19:44,182 --> 00:19:46,268 At center, number 21, 462 00:19:46,351 --> 00:19:49,897 Vlade Divac! 463 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:51,732 At forward, number four, 464 00:19:51,815 --> 00:19:55,152 Chris Webber! 465 00:19:55,235 --> 00:19:58,030 - They game by four. 466 00:19:58,113 --> 00:19:59,281 Webber... 467 00:19:59,364 --> 00:20:02,075 Christie, wide open for three. 468 00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:04,786 That's it. The Kings have won. 469 00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:07,247 - Give to Shaq, slam. 470 00:20:07,331 --> 00:20:09,416 - Here's Bibby on a quick release. 471 00:20:09,499 --> 00:20:11,793 - Christie does a 360 turn, 472 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:13,962 throws it up, no, slam dunk. 473 00:20:14,046 --> 00:20:16,590 - Final seconds. Here's George. 474 00:20:16,673 --> 00:20:17,841 [buzzer sounds] 475 00:20:17,925 --> 00:20:21,637 And the Kings win it, 103-90. 476 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,223 - Engage people with what they expect. 477 00:20:25,307 --> 00:20:28,644 It settles them into predictable patterns 478 00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:31,939 while you wait for the extraordinary moment... 479 00:20:32,022 --> 00:20:35,442 that which they cannot anticipate. 480 00:20:35,525 --> 00:20:37,819 - Horry for the win. Yes! 481 00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:39,404 ♪ ♪ 482 00:20:39,488 --> 00:20:41,615 - It's just lucky shot. That's all. 483 00:20:41,698 --> 00:20:43,992 You don't need to have a skills, you know, 484 00:20:44,076 --> 00:20:44,952 in that kind of situation. 485 00:20:45,035 --> 00:20:47,913 - Final seconds... 486 00:20:47,996 --> 00:20:52,084 - Just throw it, and if it goes in, it goes in. 487 00:20:52,167 --> 00:20:56,421 [cheers and applause] 488 00:20:56,505 --> 00:20:58,215 - In the midst of chaos, 489 00:20:58,298 --> 00:21:00,342 there is also opportunity. 490 00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:02,844 - In six-- Lakers hoping to take it back 491 00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:04,680 to Sacramento for a game seven. 492 00:21:04,763 --> 00:21:06,056 [whistle blows] And a foul. 493 00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:08,976 Webber's called for the offensive foul. 494 00:21:09,059 --> 00:21:11,603 That's number five on Webber. 495 00:21:11,687 --> 00:21:13,230 - 88-85. [whistle blows] 496 00:21:13,313 --> 00:21:15,565 Laker foul. - That was clearly a foul 497 00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:17,693 against Fisher that did not get called 498 00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:19,194 - Vlade Divac and a foul. 499 00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:20,570 - That's not a foul. I'm sorry. 500 00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:21,822 - What is happening here? 501 00:21:21,905 --> 00:21:24,074 An elbow right in the chops. 502 00:21:24,157 --> 00:21:25,492 - Could've been an offensive foul. 503 00:21:25,575 --> 00:21:27,786 A big break for the Lakers. 504 00:21:27,869 --> 00:21:29,079 - The worst officiated game. 505 00:21:29,162 --> 00:21:30,372 - There were so many blown calls. 506 00:21:30,455 --> 00:21:32,666 - The worst officiated contest in professional basketball. 507 00:21:32,749 --> 00:21:34,376 - That game got a lot of attention. 508 00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:35,711 [whistle blows] 509 00:21:35,794 --> 00:21:37,921 There's some plays in there that you'd like to have back, 510 00:21:38,005 --> 00:21:40,716 but that's every game that I've every refereed. 511 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:42,843 - There's good calls. There's bad calls. 512 00:21:42,926 --> 00:21:43,927 They go both ways. 513 00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:46,930 And usually in a seven-game series, 514 00:21:47,014 --> 00:21:49,224 the best team wins. 515 00:21:49,307 --> 00:21:51,101 - It will be game number seven 516 00:21:51,184 --> 00:21:53,687 of this Western Conference Final series. 517 00:21:53,770 --> 00:21:56,857 The winner advances to the NBA Final. 518 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:58,317 Five seconds... 519 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,695 O'Neal putting it over Webber. 520 00:22:01,778 --> 00:22:04,239 Not able to hit. The tip is missed. 521 00:22:04,322 --> 00:22:07,951 ♪ ♪ 522 00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:11,455 - O'Neal ties it at 106. 523 00:22:11,538 --> 00:22:15,500 Shaq, and he is fouled by Webber. 524 00:22:15,584 --> 00:22:20,088 Lakers recapture the lead with 1:20 left in overtime. 525 00:22:20,172 --> 00:22:22,466 Gets it out to Christie for three. 526 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:24,259 Way off! 527 00:22:24,342 --> 00:22:26,428 And Rick Adelman and the Sacramento Kings 528 00:22:26,511 --> 00:22:30,807 are headed in the direction of a heartbreaking defeat. 529 00:22:30,891 --> 00:22:33,226 - You know, we were fortunate that we were able 530 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,437 to flip a switch at times 531 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,023 and get to a level that other teams just couldn't get to, 532 00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:41,526 but the Kings almost ended that run. 533 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:43,236 - ♪ Vlade said that we don't have ♪ 534 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,280 ♪ Home court advantage, we won't win ♪ 535 00:22:45,363 --> 00:22:46,406 - What? 536 00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:47,908 - ♪ Vlade, are you stupid? ♪ 537 00:22:47,991 --> 00:22:49,659 ♪ I'll tell you time again ♪ 538 00:22:49,743 --> 00:22:52,746 ♪ You need to go where they know your name ♪ 539 00:22:52,829 --> 00:22:54,664 [laughter] 540 00:23:00,253 --> 00:23:02,047 - You know, that's the type of effort 541 00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:03,924 and commitment I was looking for. 542 00:23:04,007 --> 00:23:05,675 Our guys, I thought, played extremely hard. 543 00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:06,968 You know, we competed. 544 00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:09,471 You guys were treated to seeing three of the best players 545 00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:10,806 in the world play tonight. 546 00:23:10,889 --> 00:23:12,140 You know, unfortunately, 547 00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:13,850 they had two of them. 548 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:17,979 You know, Shaq was being Shaq. 549 00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:19,356 He's so strong, and he's so big, 550 00:23:19,439 --> 00:23:21,441 and he just pushes guys under the basket. 551 00:23:21,525 --> 00:23:22,734 You know, you're throwing it into him, 552 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:25,320 and it's not even a dribble-- it's just a dunk. 553 00:23:25,403 --> 00:23:28,073 ♪ ♪ 554 00:23:28,156 --> 00:23:29,074 He's that strong. 555 00:23:29,157 --> 00:23:30,450 We don't have anybody like that. 556 00:23:30,534 --> 00:23:31,660 You know, not only us. 557 00:23:31,743 --> 00:23:34,454 It's 28 other teams that don't have anybody like that. 558 00:23:34,538 --> 00:23:36,832 You know, anybody we put on him is a mismatch. 559 00:23:36,915 --> 00:23:38,792 ♪ ♪ 560 00:23:38,875 --> 00:23:40,877 Whatever you do, you change the rules to try to stop him, 561 00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:42,170 it's not gonna stop him. 562 00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:44,339 You know, when he wants to take over a basketball game, 563 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:45,674 with his strength and his size 564 00:23:45,757 --> 00:23:49,344 and his athleticism and as agile as he is for that big, 565 00:23:49,427 --> 00:23:51,513 there's nothing you can do. 566 00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:54,141 - This series has reached the point 567 00:23:54,224 --> 00:23:57,185 where the outcome is not even in the discussion. 568 00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:59,312 - Shaq tells me, you had very poignant message 569 00:23:59,396 --> 00:24:01,398 to him before the game-- what was it you said? 570 00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:02,816 - That this is where it all started. 571 00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:04,985 We began here in New Jersey, Newark, New Jersey, 572 00:24:05,068 --> 00:24:06,736 and all our family and friends are here. 573 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:09,948 It'd be a great honor to end it all right here, right now. 574 00:24:10,031 --> 00:24:11,950 - Did you tell him this was the most important game 575 00:24:12,033 --> 00:24:13,368 that he would ever play because of that? 576 00:24:13,451 --> 00:24:15,162 - He already know that. He already know-- 577 00:24:15,245 --> 00:24:16,788 He told me that, the most important game. 578 00:24:16,872 --> 00:24:18,081 Everybody understand 579 00:24:18,165 --> 00:24:19,791 that this is for Newark, New Jersey, 580 00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:21,459 all our family and friends. 581 00:24:21,543 --> 00:24:23,545 - Fisher, picked up on the switch. 582 00:24:23,628 --> 00:24:25,046 Bryant. Oh! 583 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:27,174 Kobe Bryant soaring! 584 00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:30,093 ♪ ♪ 585 00:24:30,177 --> 00:24:32,095 - O'Neal. 586 00:24:32,179 --> 00:24:33,597 A facial! 587 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,433 - Shaq is very agile. He's athletic. 588 00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:39,853 He's the most dominant guy in the league. 589 00:24:39,936 --> 00:24:41,521 Thank you. 590 00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:43,982 - The Los Angeles Lakers have made it 591 00:24:44,065 --> 00:24:47,277 three-straight NBA championships. 592 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,822 In the four-game sweep... 593 00:24:50,906 --> 00:24:57,871 ♪ ♪ 594 00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:06,213 - I love you, boy. I love you. 595 00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:09,341 - I love you. - [indistinct speech] 596 00:25:09,424 --> 00:25:12,636 - Shaq, to win the MVP for the third time, 597 00:25:12,719 --> 00:25:14,179 becoming only the third man in history 598 00:25:14,262 --> 00:25:16,723 and only the second to win it three-straight years-- 599 00:25:16,806 --> 00:25:18,683 what does that accomplishment represent to you? 600 00:25:18,767 --> 00:25:21,019 - Well, I'd like to thank my teammates for looking for me, 601 00:25:21,102 --> 00:25:23,063 having faith in me, having confidence in me, 602 00:25:23,146 --> 00:25:24,731 and just getting me the ball. 603 00:25:24,814 --> 00:25:26,900 I told them once playoffs start, 604 00:25:26,983 --> 00:25:28,693 I was gonna pick my game up-- I told them, 605 00:25:28,777 --> 00:25:31,071 if we make it to the Finals, I wasn't gonna let them down. 606 00:25:31,154 --> 00:25:32,572 And I just told them to get me the ball. 607 00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:34,115 I just want to thank Phil Jackson 608 00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:36,618 for bringing the best out of me. 609 00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:38,578 - Man, it was weird 610 00:25:38,662 --> 00:25:42,249 to watch him go to L.A. and to win championships. 611 00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:44,793 I really felt like we had that same talent, 612 00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:45,835 and we would've been able 613 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,755 to mold the team around Shaq and myself. 614 00:25:48,838 --> 00:25:50,548 I was happy for him, but I was like, 615 00:25:50,632 --> 00:25:52,300 "Man, it should've been me." 616 00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:56,304 But the business always gets in the way of loyalty 617 00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:58,807 and chemistry, 618 00:25:58,890 --> 00:26:01,559 'cause they'll say you're gonna do what's best for you. 619 00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:04,104 I have to do what's best for me. 620 00:26:04,187 --> 00:26:11,069 ♪ ♪ 621 00:26:11,152 --> 00:26:15,782 - You know, Shaq was a big-bone guy. 622 00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:17,617 His skeleton was big. 623 00:26:17,701 --> 00:26:21,121 It could handle a lot of that weight... 624 00:26:21,204 --> 00:26:23,456 to a point. 625 00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:26,209 And the more weight that you have on your body, 626 00:26:26,293 --> 00:26:30,505 the harder it is, because in terms of ground force, 627 00:26:30,588 --> 00:26:32,841 it's about four times body weight. 628 00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:36,344 So, if Shaq is 300 pounds-- 629 00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:38,305 and he was more than 300 pounds-- 630 00:26:38,388 --> 00:26:41,182 every step that he's hitting the floor 631 00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:43,226 is about 1,200 pounds of force 632 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:44,352 on his frame. 633 00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:45,854 And it hurt, 634 00:26:45,937 --> 00:26:47,897 and I know it hurt. 635 00:26:47,981 --> 00:26:49,482 - All my injuries are freak injuries. 636 00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:51,276 I never pulled a hamstring 637 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,654 or never had knee, an ACL, MCL, none of that. 638 00:26:54,738 --> 00:26:57,991 In Orlando, boom, breaks this thumb. 639 00:26:58,074 --> 00:27:01,661 In LA, I bust a capsule in my knee--out six weeks. 640 00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:02,996 The hand again, turf toe, 641 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:04,873 couple finger injuries, hip arthritis. 642 00:27:04,956 --> 00:27:06,833 Oh, and one time, in the game, I scored, 643 00:27:06,916 --> 00:27:08,543 and I did the Merton Hanks. 644 00:27:08,626 --> 00:27:11,087 [vocalizes] And I tore a stomach muscle. 645 00:27:11,171 --> 00:27:12,672 I was out for eight weeks. 646 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:16,051 But I had a solution-- pain killers. 647 00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:19,679 I just like to feel loose before the game. 648 00:27:19,763 --> 00:27:22,057 So, one time, I was having pains, and I took it. 649 00:27:22,140 --> 00:27:24,768 And I was like, "Oh," and I had a good game, 650 00:27:24,851 --> 00:27:27,228 so that was my ritual. 651 00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,272 Like, I wasn't even thinking anything about it. 652 00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:31,358 They say take one, but I'm a big guy. 653 00:27:31,441 --> 00:27:33,526 My mentality is, well, two will be good. 654 00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:35,612 It would always mess my stomach up if I didn't eat, 655 00:27:35,695 --> 00:27:37,530 so I'd have to eat a big meal. 656 00:27:37,614 --> 00:27:39,491 And then take them, and when I wake up, 657 00:27:39,574 --> 00:27:41,868 boy, I'd be looser than a mug. 658 00:27:41,951 --> 00:27:43,745 What I mean by messing my stomach up-- 659 00:27:43,828 --> 00:27:47,207 I'd have to take a shit. - [laughs] 660 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:49,918 - [laughs] - [laughs] 661 00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:51,920 - That's Uncle Jerome, in case y'all... 662 00:27:52,003 --> 00:27:53,630 No, seriously, I would have to shit. 663 00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:56,883 - I'm glad he couldn't fit in the bathrooms in the buses 664 00:27:56,966 --> 00:27:59,302 or, really, on planes... [laughs] 665 00:27:59,386 --> 00:28:02,639 'Cause had he been able to fit in those places, 666 00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:04,599 those would've been different rides. 667 00:28:04,682 --> 00:28:07,102 He did what he had to do to be on the court. 668 00:28:07,185 --> 00:28:08,728 And if he wasn't out on the court, 669 00:28:08,812 --> 00:28:12,065 it's because whatever it would take for him to be out there 670 00:28:12,148 --> 00:28:14,901 would've crossed a line that he wasn't prepared to cross. 671 00:28:14,984 --> 00:28:17,654 I know he could've stopped on many occasions 672 00:28:17,737 --> 00:28:20,365 to have gotten many more surgeries than he did, 673 00:28:20,448 --> 00:28:23,243 and I know he played through injury. 674 00:28:23,326 --> 00:28:25,745 - Listen, I was under the most pressure, 675 00:28:25,829 --> 00:28:27,247 but I can't let you see that. 676 00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:28,998 But I'm still dealing with it. 677 00:28:29,082 --> 00:28:32,127 So I'll always play hurt. Always played hurt. 678 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:33,628 - 'Cause he's Superman. 679 00:28:33,711 --> 00:28:35,296 That's the level of vulnerability 680 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:37,257 that you don't want to share with everybody, right? 681 00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:39,634 'Cause he's expected to be Superman 682 00:28:39,717 --> 00:28:40,969 on the outside, right? 683 00:28:41,052 --> 00:28:42,720 He's expected to be superhuman. 684 00:28:42,804 --> 00:28:45,557 And yet when he shows the vulnerability 685 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,143 or he isn't at his best, 686 00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,019 the only thing that gets heaped on him 687 00:28:50,103 --> 00:28:51,688 is the criticism. 688 00:28:51,771 --> 00:28:55,275 ♪ ♪ 689 00:28:55,358 --> 00:28:56,985 - So I'm playing. I'm working out. 690 00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:58,945 I got some pounds on me 'cause I'm eating-- 691 00:28:59,028 --> 00:29:00,780 chicken tenders and pizza and burger, 692 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,740 but I can work that off. 693 00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:04,284 My toe is messing up. I'm like-- 694 00:29:04,367 --> 00:29:07,120 I always had bad toes anyway. I'm like, but this-- 695 00:29:07,203 --> 00:29:08,788 I can't bend it. 696 00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:12,417 So now I go to the doctor, and he said, "You need surgery." 697 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,210 So I call the Lakers. 698 00:29:14,294 --> 00:29:16,838 I say, "Hey, I need to get surgery." 699 00:29:16,921 --> 00:29:20,175 - There's a reason why the big toe is big. 700 00:29:20,258 --> 00:29:24,387 That's the site that's handling most of the load. 701 00:29:24,471 --> 00:29:29,392 He did have a significant big-toe issue. 702 00:29:29,476 --> 00:29:33,021 Now, that doesn't sound like a big deal, but it is. 703 00:29:33,104 --> 00:29:35,815 - So, if I say I'm gonna get toe surgery 704 00:29:35,899 --> 00:29:36,941 at the beginning of the season-- 705 00:29:37,025 --> 00:29:37,984 We got 80 games. 706 00:29:38,067 --> 00:29:41,446 I'm only gonna miss 10, 12 games, relax. 707 00:29:41,529 --> 00:29:43,156 Y'all should be able to hold it down, 708 00:29:43,239 --> 00:29:45,492 but they didn't, and people started talking. 709 00:29:45,575 --> 00:29:47,702 But you know what's gonna happen when you talk? 710 00:29:47,785 --> 00:29:48,828 What's gonna happen when you talk? 711 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,663 You're just gonna feed the beast. 712 00:29:50,747 --> 00:29:52,248 - When looking for someone to blame 713 00:29:52,332 --> 00:29:54,000 for the Lakers' slow start this season, 714 00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:55,585 September toe surgery has made 715 00:29:55,668 --> 00:29:57,337 Shaquille O'Neal the popular choice. 716 00:29:57,420 --> 00:29:59,214 All-Star Weekend, the Lakers big man 717 00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:01,841 defended the timing of his operation. 718 00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:04,052 Shaq told the "Chicago Sun-Times"... 719 00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:06,429 "Since I suffered the injury on company time, 720 00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:08,223 "why should I also be able to get surgery 721 00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:10,892 and do recovery on company time?" 722 00:30:10,975 --> 00:30:13,770 - When Shaq had had the operation on his toe, 723 00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:18,191 that put him back until... playing until December. 724 00:30:18,274 --> 00:30:20,485 Kobe wanted to win four in a row. 725 00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:22,862 The Bulls had won three in a row twice. 726 00:30:22,946 --> 00:30:25,198 Celtics had won three in a row one time. 727 00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:27,200 And Kobe wanted to be part of history, 728 00:30:27,283 --> 00:30:28,868 and he held it against Shaq 729 00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:30,745 that Shaq was not wanting to compete. 730 00:30:30,828 --> 00:30:34,749 - That didn't sit well with Phil, 731 00:30:34,832 --> 00:30:37,919 with my dad, with Kobe. 732 00:30:38,002 --> 00:30:41,130 It just put us behind the eight ball 733 00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:44,092 when, you know, the Lakers were at the top of the heap 734 00:30:44,175 --> 00:30:46,594 and everybody wanted to beat us. 735 00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:51,182 And we needed everybody on deck ready to go. 736 00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:53,685 It didn't feel right. 737 00:30:53,768 --> 00:30:55,895 - [laughs] 738 00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:57,647 I'm sorry. [laughs] 739 00:30:57,730 --> 00:30:59,482 Um... 740 00:30:59,566 --> 00:31:01,568 I found out--I found out in the moment. 741 00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:03,903 I thought it was super hilarious... 742 00:31:03,987 --> 00:31:07,574 in the moment, although I was super mad, 743 00:31:07,657 --> 00:31:09,075 'cause it impacted all of us, 744 00:31:09,158 --> 00:31:12,370 but I thought it was actually accurate. 745 00:31:12,453 --> 00:31:16,583 What he was communicating was a request for feedback. 746 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:18,543 Do you value me? 747 00:31:18,626 --> 00:31:23,298 Do you respect what I've done so far to this point? 748 00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:27,719 You're speaking to a player. 749 00:31:27,802 --> 00:31:29,846 I'm gonna ride or die with Shaq 750 00:31:29,929 --> 00:31:31,639 on any team at any point in time, 751 00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:34,976 If I can get Shaq for ten games before the playoffs start, 752 00:31:35,059 --> 00:31:36,477 I'm happy. 753 00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:38,187 Won three championships. 754 00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,858 The man needed to take a break and get his toe fixed. 755 00:31:41,941 --> 00:31:44,319 - Phil Jackson's got to call a time-out. 756 00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:46,362 This has completely fallen apart. 757 00:31:46,446 --> 00:31:47,947 But the three-time world champions-- 758 00:31:48,031 --> 00:31:50,742 how are they ever gonna dig themselves out of this hole? 759 00:31:50,825 --> 00:31:52,744 - Six minutes. 760 00:31:52,827 --> 00:31:55,121 Tony Parker takes a three, and Willis slams it home! 761 00:31:55,204 --> 00:31:56,122 - Look at that. 762 00:31:56,205 --> 00:31:57,624 They're taking Shaq out of this game. 763 00:31:57,707 --> 00:31:58,708 - Oh, this thing's over. 764 00:31:58,791 --> 00:32:00,168 - Now, do you see all the banners? 765 00:32:00,251 --> 00:32:02,462 There won't be a fourth one hanging underneath that one. 766 00:32:02,545 --> 00:32:05,006 ♪ ♪ 767 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:07,842 - Now, the decision to not 768 00:32:07,925 --> 00:32:10,678 take care of it in the off-season-- 769 00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:13,222 okay, bad decision, 770 00:32:13,306 --> 00:32:16,184 but... 771 00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:18,853 you know, he played with injuries. 772 00:32:18,936 --> 00:32:20,980 And maybe... 773 00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:24,275 just maybe, I... 774 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,654 should've made a bigger deal about that 775 00:32:27,737 --> 00:32:30,114 in the press, in the media, 776 00:32:30,198 --> 00:32:32,367 you know, go to bat for him, cover him. 777 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,870 Guy's playing injured, give him a break. 778 00:32:35,953 --> 00:32:37,372 I didn't do that, 779 00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:40,500 and so that's why there's sort of this... 780 00:32:40,583 --> 00:32:44,003 dichotomy of love... 781 00:32:44,087 --> 00:32:45,213 [sniffles] 782 00:32:45,296 --> 00:32:47,215 ♪ ♪ 783 00:32:47,298 --> 00:32:48,383 Sorry. 784 00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:51,719 [voice breaking] That I have for him... 785 00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:54,681 because it wasn't easy for him 786 00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:57,725 and he got blamed for a lot of stuff. 787 00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:00,019 Now, granted, there were things 788 00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:02,271 that I think he could've done differently. 789 00:33:02,355 --> 00:33:04,399 But he got blamed for a lot of stuff. 790 00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:07,402 And Kobe got blamed for a lot of stuff. 791 00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:09,195 But what about all the rest of us? 792 00:33:09,278 --> 00:33:10,571 It was a team. 793 00:33:10,655 --> 00:33:13,074 It wasn't just two guys. 794 00:33:13,157 --> 00:33:18,246 - I can say that Kobe and I were the most enigmatic, 795 00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:20,248 most controversial, 796 00:33:20,331 --> 00:33:23,668 most dominant, one-two punch ever created 797 00:33:23,751 --> 00:33:25,586 in all of the game. 798 00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:27,922 20 years ago, that happened 20 years ago, 799 00:33:28,005 --> 00:33:29,298 and you're still talking. 800 00:33:29,382 --> 00:33:31,092 You know, a lot of people like to talk about, 801 00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:32,260 oh, this and that. 802 00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:33,594 You don't know what was going on. 803 00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:35,596 I know what was going on 'cause I controlled it. 804 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,056 I knew exactly what I was doing 805 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:39,267 when I would leak stories and this and that. 806 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:40,852 I knew exactly what I was doing, 807 00:33:40,935 --> 00:33:41,936 'cause that's what I do, 808 00:33:42,019 --> 00:33:44,230 'cause you're screaming two names--Kobe and Shaq. 809 00:33:44,313 --> 00:33:46,399 ♪ ♪ 810 00:33:46,482 --> 00:33:48,568 - They can't win a championship with just Shaq, 811 00:33:48,651 --> 00:33:50,611 and they're not gonna win it without getting together. 812 00:33:50,695 --> 00:33:51,571 - One really can't win 813 00:33:51,654 --> 00:33:52,947 a championship without the other. 814 00:33:53,030 --> 00:33:54,282 - Doesn't a situation like this 815 00:33:54,365 --> 00:33:55,742 divide a team in the locker room? 816 00:33:55,825 --> 00:33:58,578 - Are these irreconcilable differences between these two? 817 00:33:58,661 --> 00:34:01,914 - You know, sometimes when you look out at the landscape 818 00:34:01,998 --> 00:34:04,208 in Los Angeles, the sports landscape, 819 00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:07,253 if the teams are really good and really playing well, 820 00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:10,214 it's almost like sometimes you need something else 821 00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:12,633 to drive the storyline out there. 822 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:14,427 - They don't talk about the game. 823 00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:16,471 They talk about the outcome of the game, 824 00:34:16,554 --> 00:34:19,223 and then they become critics of the game. 825 00:34:19,307 --> 00:34:20,933 They don't know if it's true or not. 826 00:34:21,017 --> 00:34:22,518 They do it for conversation, 827 00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:25,480 for people to come in and listen. 828 00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:28,441 - There started to be this kind of cycle 829 00:34:28,524 --> 00:34:30,443 of sports talk shows 830 00:34:30,526 --> 00:34:32,445 and everybody had an angle 831 00:34:32,528 --> 00:34:33,905 and a, you know, my sources 832 00:34:33,988 --> 00:34:35,782 say this is what's going on. 833 00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:37,992 - And while it's clear they can play with each other, 834 00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:40,661 it's also clear they're not the best of friends. 835 00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:43,289 - The media is complicit 836 00:34:43,372 --> 00:34:45,792 in creating the divide. 837 00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:47,668 They fed it. 838 00:34:47,752 --> 00:34:49,337 It became something 839 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:52,965 that you had to hear about constantly. 840 00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:54,842 - I don't think the media fueled it. 841 00:34:54,926 --> 00:34:57,011 They each had their hand in it. 842 00:34:57,094 --> 00:34:58,679 Shaq, he was very media savvy. 843 00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:00,848 He knew that if you get on the good side of the press, 844 00:35:00,932 --> 00:35:02,683 that can go a long way. 845 00:35:02,767 --> 00:35:04,811 And Kobe never had a lack of people 846 00:35:04,894 --> 00:35:06,896 that would enable him to get his story out. 847 00:35:06,979 --> 00:35:08,606 - Are you and Kobe totally cool now? 848 00:35:08,689 --> 00:35:10,858 - Is there coolness between you guys? 849 00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:12,985 - Kobe, Shaq-- how much still lingers? 850 00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:14,654 - No. - And speaking of fighting, 851 00:35:14,737 --> 00:35:16,531 Shaq and Kobe are feuding again. 852 00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:17,615 Yeah, I guess you heard about that. 853 00:35:17,698 --> 00:35:18,866 Well, Phil Jackson said he wanted 854 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:20,159 the team to get back to normal. 855 00:35:20,243 --> 00:35:21,369 Now they are. 856 00:35:23,371 --> 00:35:25,873 - We have this statement-- "For the Want of a Nail." 857 00:35:25,957 --> 00:35:28,543 "A shoe was lost, and for the want of a shoe, 858 00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:29,919 "a horse was lost. 859 00:35:30,002 --> 00:35:33,381 "And for want of that horse, a messenger was lost. 860 00:35:33,464 --> 00:35:35,383 "And for the loss of the messenger, 861 00:35:35,466 --> 00:35:37,552 a war was lost." 862 00:35:37,635 --> 00:35:40,471 - That season in '03, '04 was 863 00:35:40,555 --> 00:35:43,766 about so much more than basketball 864 00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:47,270 and what we were gonna be able to accomplish on the court. 865 00:35:47,353 --> 00:35:50,523 - And Shaq was in a preseason game 866 00:35:50,606 --> 00:35:52,233 against Golden State Warriors. 867 00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:55,194 - Early in the game, Shaq dunks on Erick Dampier. 868 00:35:55,278 --> 00:35:56,445 - Slam dunk. 869 00:35:56,529 --> 00:35:58,531 - Dr. Buss is sitting courtside, 870 00:35:58,614 --> 00:36:00,533 and Shaq runs by 871 00:36:00,616 --> 00:36:02,535 and looks at him directly and says, 872 00:36:02,618 --> 00:36:04,662 "You better pay me." 873 00:36:04,745 --> 00:36:08,457 That kind of showed up Dr. Buss. 874 00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:10,793 - When it comes to that money, I didn't grow up with money. 875 00:36:10,877 --> 00:36:13,129 This is my only way to get money. 876 00:36:13,212 --> 00:36:15,590 You can only be young once, so I'm taking advantage 877 00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:17,425 of all those money opportunities 878 00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:19,093 that they giving away. 879 00:36:19,176 --> 00:36:22,555 - The dynamics between Shaquille and Kobe 880 00:36:22,638 --> 00:36:24,515 were starting to be exacerbated 881 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,101 and had been exacerbated that year. 882 00:36:27,184 --> 00:36:28,811 - People on the team picked sides. 883 00:36:28,895 --> 00:36:30,605 Management picked sides. 884 00:36:30,688 --> 00:36:32,398 The fans picked sides. 885 00:36:32,481 --> 00:36:34,275 Everybody picked sides. 886 00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:36,861 If Kobe liked you, there's a good chance 887 00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:40,156 that Shaq was not gonna like you. 888 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,824 And if you were Shaq's guy, 889 00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:44,035 then Kobe didn't want to have anything to do with you. 890 00:36:44,118 --> 00:36:47,246 - Shaq looked at Phil as somebody who was on his side. 891 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:50,416 We all were, but it wasn't working. 892 00:36:50,499 --> 00:36:55,004 - The split between the two of them was greater than ever 893 00:36:55,087 --> 00:36:57,840 due to multiple things-- 894 00:36:57,924 --> 00:37:00,009 one of them being Kobe's deposition. 895 00:37:00,092 --> 00:37:01,844 - Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant 896 00:37:01,928 --> 00:37:04,138 has been accused of sexual assault. 897 00:37:04,221 --> 00:37:06,724 - At times, we'd have, like, you know, heated conversations, 898 00:37:06,807 --> 00:37:08,976 but... just a lot of arguing, 899 00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:11,520 but, again, this is stuff you do in real life. 900 00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:13,898 But it's the R-word that will never be dropped. 901 00:37:13,981 --> 00:37:16,150 You can never--he ain't gonna disrespect me, 902 00:37:16,233 --> 00:37:19,111 and I'm sure damn well ain't gonna disrespect him. 903 00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:22,031 One time he did, but I don't need to talk about that. 904 00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:25,785 I'll let you retrieve that information from someone else. 905 00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:29,288 It was only one incident, but I don't want to talk about it. 906 00:37:29,372 --> 00:37:33,125 - Kobe proposed that Shaq had had incidents in his past 907 00:37:33,209 --> 00:37:34,543 and had avoided them. 908 00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:37,338 Kind of exposed Shaquille, and Shaquille took offense. 909 00:37:37,421 --> 00:37:40,174 - Part of the problems, Kobe, go back to your court case, 910 00:37:40,257 --> 00:37:42,510 where it was revealed that you had suggested 911 00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:43,719 that Shaquille O'Neal maybe 912 00:37:43,803 --> 00:37:45,888 has paid off women in the past. 913 00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:49,392 - He was a little hurt by that statement made by Kobe. 914 00:37:49,475 --> 00:37:53,270 Some things you got to just keep in your memory bank. 915 00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:55,106 Just remember that. 916 00:37:55,189 --> 00:37:58,359 Even though you may want to go out there and ring his neck, 917 00:37:58,442 --> 00:38:00,403 you can't do that. 918 00:38:00,486 --> 00:38:02,697 It just won't go across right. 919 00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:03,823 - Earlier in the program, 920 00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:06,158 we told you about the latest round of verbal sparring 921 00:38:06,242 --> 00:38:07,910 between Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant. 922 00:38:07,994 --> 00:38:10,288 Our Jim Gray just got off the phone with Kobe. 923 00:38:10,371 --> 00:38:13,124 - As far as Shaquille O'Neal saying that this was his team, 924 00:38:13,207 --> 00:38:14,709 Kobe said, "It doesn't matter whose team it is, 925 00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:17,378 "nobody cares, but since it is his team, 926 00:38:17,461 --> 00:38:19,922 "no more coming into camp fat and out of shape. 927 00:38:20,006 --> 00:38:22,550 "And when your team is relying on you for leadership 928 00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:23,551 "on and off the court, 929 00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:25,886 "no more blaming others for the team's failure. 930 00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:28,431 "Leaders don't beg for a contract extension 931 00:38:28,514 --> 00:38:31,851 "and negotiate some $30-million-plus-per-year deal 932 00:38:31,934 --> 00:38:34,395 "in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers 933 00:38:34,478 --> 00:38:37,023 "playing pretty much here for free. 934 00:38:37,106 --> 00:38:39,191 "I don't need Shaq's advice on how to play hurt. 935 00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:42,236 "I don't miss 15 games because of toe injury 936 00:38:42,319 --> 00:38:43,571 "that everybody knows 937 00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:45,698 "is not that serious in the first place. 938 00:38:45,781 --> 00:38:48,034 "If leaving the Lakers at the end of the season 939 00:38:48,117 --> 00:38:51,037 "is what I decide to do, a major reason for that 940 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,956 "will be Shaq's childlike selfishness and jealousy. 941 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,792 "He is not my 'big brother.' 942 00:38:56,876 --> 00:38:59,420 "A big brother would've called to lend support this summer. 943 00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:01,589 "I heard absolutely nothing from him. 944 00:39:01,672 --> 00:39:03,591 "I spoke to Devean, Rick, Mitch, Phil, 945 00:39:03,674 --> 00:39:05,926 "and our owner, Jerry Buss, and Shaq's own uncle. 946 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:08,763 "Uncle Jerome called and left me a message three times, 947 00:39:08,846 --> 00:39:10,264 "but yet nothing, 948 00:39:10,347 --> 00:39:12,850 nothing at all from my so-called big brother." 949 00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:16,645 - Coming out of the All-Star break, 950 00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:17,980 I'll never forget Jim Gray 951 00:39:18,064 --> 00:39:20,066 did an interview with Dr. Buss in Phoenix. 952 00:39:20,149 --> 00:39:22,068 - What do you make of this ongoing soap opera? 953 00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:24,570 This basically dominates the sports pages, 954 00:39:24,653 --> 00:39:26,572 not only in Los Angeles but across the country. 955 00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:28,741 - Well, I think that's only fitting and proper. 956 00:39:28,824 --> 00:39:31,744 I mean, the way I look at it, there are no other sports 957 00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:33,454 and no other franchises, you know, 958 00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:35,915 so we might as well ride it out. 959 00:39:35,998 --> 00:39:39,085 - He asked him, "What's the future of the Lakers?" 960 00:39:39,168 --> 00:39:40,961 He said, "Let's take them one by one. 961 00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,963 Let me ask you about Shaq, Dr. Buss." 962 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:44,090 - During the off-season, 963 00:39:44,173 --> 00:39:46,550 we have to talk and see if he wants to stay here. 964 00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:49,470 You know, we've got an open offer on the table. 965 00:39:49,553 --> 00:39:51,305 - From Shaq's point of view, undervalued, 966 00:39:51,388 --> 00:39:53,933 not what he wanted, disrespectful for him. 967 00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:55,476 What about Phil Jackson? 968 00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:57,645 - There are times where I feel 969 00:39:57,728 --> 00:39:59,980 that he definitely wants to coach, 970 00:40:00,064 --> 00:40:02,233 and there are times when he seems 971 00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:03,609 like he doesn't want to coach. 972 00:40:03,692 --> 00:40:04,777 - What about Kobe Bryant? 973 00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:07,822 - I believe he will be a Laker for life. 974 00:40:07,905 --> 00:40:11,283 - And in that moment, I knew... 975 00:40:13,077 --> 00:40:14,745 That we were done. 976 00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:17,123 - If Kobe Bryant called you on your cell phone right now, 977 00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:19,959 What would you say to him? - I don't have a cell phone. 978 00:40:20,042 --> 00:40:21,335 Because people that I'm connected with, 979 00:40:21,418 --> 00:40:22,336 I'm connected with them. 980 00:40:22,419 --> 00:40:25,381 All you got to do is think, and I'll call you. 981 00:40:25,464 --> 00:40:27,424 I don't have a cell phone. 982 00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:30,678 - Now, granted, we got a second half of the season to go, 983 00:40:30,761 --> 00:40:32,847 and yet... 984 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:34,723 we still kind of fumbled our way 985 00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:38,477 to the NBA Finals against the Detroit Pistons. 986 00:40:38,561 --> 00:40:41,856 - When you're at the top for so long, 987 00:40:41,939 --> 00:40:43,274 those little flaws 988 00:40:43,357 --> 00:40:46,485 and chinks in your armor that are underneath, 989 00:40:46,569 --> 00:40:49,405 everybody gets to look up at those for longer. 990 00:40:49,488 --> 00:40:51,866 And so they start figuring out ways 991 00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:55,286 to tear you down and break you a part. 992 00:40:55,369 --> 00:40:58,497 - Gets inside, hits Shaq-- a beautiful pass! 993 00:40:58,581 --> 00:41:01,709 - And here comes Kobe. Way outside... 994 00:41:01,792 --> 00:41:05,045 ♪ ♪ 995 00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:08,591 - The scene now shifts east to the Palace for three games. 996 00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:10,926 - The Lakers look discombobulated. 997 00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:13,888 - Rock the house and loving it here! 998 00:41:13,971 --> 00:41:17,725 - The Palace is rocking. The Lakers are reeling. 999 00:41:17,808 --> 00:41:19,935 - Bro, they put a beating on us in game three 1000 00:41:20,019 --> 00:41:22,271 that shook us to our core, man. 1001 00:41:22,354 --> 00:41:25,399 - The Detroit Pistons hold the Los Angeles Lakers 1002 00:41:25,482 --> 00:41:28,527 to under 70 points for the first time 1003 00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:30,863 in NBA playoff history. 1004 00:41:30,946 --> 00:41:33,199 - And I remember thinking that 1005 00:41:33,282 --> 00:41:35,409 there was no way we were gonna win that series. 1006 00:41:35,492 --> 00:41:37,411 ♪ ♪ 1007 00:41:37,494 --> 00:41:39,496 And we got embarrassed... 1008 00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:41,415 like, embarrassed 1009 00:41:41,498 --> 00:41:45,461 for being so fragmented and dysfunctional. 1010 00:41:45,544 --> 00:41:47,796 ♪ ♪ 1011 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,424 - We lost to Detroit, the last game. 1012 00:41:50,507 --> 00:41:52,676 We had, like, a team dinner, 1013 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,096 and the owner wasn't talking to me. 1014 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,098 He was talking to the other side. 1015 00:41:58,182 --> 00:41:59,600 He didn't say anything to me. 1016 00:41:59,683 --> 00:42:01,435 And I looked at my wife, Shaunie, 1017 00:42:01,518 --> 00:42:03,938 and I looked at Uncle Jerome, and I was like, "Uh-oh." 1018 00:42:04,021 --> 00:42:05,522 And the very next day... 1019 00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:09,777 - You can't replace a Shaquille O'Neal... 1020 00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:10,903 period. 1021 00:42:10,986 --> 00:42:12,863 And that was never our intention. 1022 00:42:12,947 --> 00:42:15,741 You know, we knew what we had to do 1023 00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:19,411 to hopefully set this franchise up for the next ten years, 1024 00:42:19,495 --> 00:42:22,414 and this move, as bold as it was, was necessary. 1025 00:42:22,498 --> 00:42:25,668 We made what we considered a very fair offer 1026 00:42:25,751 --> 00:42:27,002 that would continue to make him 1027 00:42:27,086 --> 00:42:29,296 the highest-paid player in the NBA, 1028 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:32,174 and we just couldn't reach an agreement. 1029 00:42:32,258 --> 00:42:35,344 And the understanding was, if we can't reach an agreement, 1030 00:42:35,427 --> 00:42:37,346 then that there'll be a trade during the off-season. 1031 00:42:37,429 --> 00:42:40,307 - Phil said to my dad, 1032 00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:42,643 "Jerry, you can't trade Shaq. 1033 00:42:42,726 --> 00:42:45,187 "He's the most dominant player in the league. 1034 00:42:45,271 --> 00:42:47,606 Like, you can't give up on him now." 1035 00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:50,317 - I've never seen this trade work, 1036 00:42:50,401 --> 00:42:52,945 and I've been around for Wilt Chamberlain's trade, 1037 00:42:53,028 --> 00:42:54,780 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's trade, 1038 00:42:54,863 --> 00:42:57,741 and the teams that lose these players don't recover. 1039 00:42:57,825 --> 00:43:00,953 It's an impossibility to match the talent that's left. 1040 00:43:01,036 --> 00:43:04,665 - And my dad said, "Well, I'm gonna trade him, 1041 00:43:04,748 --> 00:43:07,209 "and it shouldn't make a difference to you 1042 00:43:07,293 --> 00:43:09,712 because you're not coming back." 1043 00:43:09,795 --> 00:43:10,838 - Kobe's a free agent. 1044 00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:12,631 We don't have the right to move him 1045 00:43:12,715 --> 00:43:14,508 and get something back in return, 1046 00:43:14,591 --> 00:43:16,719 so there exists the possibility that we'll get nothing. 1047 00:43:16,802 --> 00:43:18,846 There's no doubt it's a bold move. 1048 00:43:18,929 --> 00:43:20,514 I mean, to say anything else, 1049 00:43:20,597 --> 00:43:22,516 you know, would not be telling the truth. 1050 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:24,685 But I can say with no uncertainty 1051 00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:26,312 that it was a bold move. 1052 00:43:26,395 --> 00:43:27,938 - But now I'm pissed, because I'm thinking, 1053 00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:29,773 "You can give me enough respect to call me." 1054 00:43:29,857 --> 00:43:31,025 I'm a military child. 1055 00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:33,068 I'm used to moving every four years. 1056 00:43:33,152 --> 00:43:34,194 So now I'm super pissed. 1057 00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:37,114 You got rid of my guy, Now you want to get rid of me. 1058 00:43:37,197 --> 00:43:38,782 I'm not gonna even argue with you. 1059 00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:40,075 Fuck it. I'm out. 1060 00:43:43,078 --> 00:43:45,831 - An 82-game season is a grind. 1061 00:43:45,914 --> 00:43:49,043 And when I walk on a bus or I walk on a plane 1062 00:43:49,126 --> 00:43:51,879 and I see my teammate and it's Shaq, 1063 00:43:51,962 --> 00:43:53,797 my day is better. 1064 00:43:53,881 --> 00:43:55,758 You can't go from playing with Shaq 1065 00:43:55,841 --> 00:43:57,176 to not playing with Shaq. 1066 00:43:57,259 --> 00:44:00,179 And so, when he left-- and I knew he was leaving, 1067 00:44:00,262 --> 00:44:03,974 he told me he was leaving-- I was just like, "I'm done." 1068 00:44:04,058 --> 00:44:07,102 - He knew he was the baddest man on the planet. 1069 00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:09,271 He knew that. Shaq knew that. 1070 00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:12,149 Shaq knew he was gonna go somewhere and get paid. 1071 00:44:12,232 --> 00:44:15,194 I mean... that's easy. 1072 00:44:15,277 --> 00:44:17,029 [laughs] 1073 00:44:17,112 --> 00:44:19,782 That's easy to know, right? 1074 00:44:19,865 --> 00:44:22,910 But sometimes in getting paid, 1075 00:44:22,993 --> 00:44:25,537 you actually lose. 1076 00:44:25,621 --> 00:44:27,373 - Well, he really didn't see that coming. 1077 00:44:27,456 --> 00:44:31,377 I mean, he wanted to be in LA. 1078 00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:33,587 You know, Shaq, he had been there eight years. 1079 00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:36,215 He really wanted to be there. 1080 00:44:36,298 --> 00:44:37,716 It kind of, like, crushed him. 1081 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,219 He wasn't too happy about that. 1082 00:44:40,302 --> 00:44:43,013 - They both was rising at the same time 1083 00:44:43,097 --> 00:44:45,349 because they were winning these championships. 1084 00:44:45,432 --> 00:44:48,227 They probably became distanced... 1085 00:44:48,310 --> 00:44:51,772 even playing on the same team. 1086 00:44:51,855 --> 00:44:54,316 You know, you seen it happen. It can happen. 1087 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,068 Success... 1088 00:44:56,151 --> 00:44:59,196 success... 1089 00:44:59,279 --> 00:45:02,157 it--it--it--it can get you. 1090 00:45:02,241 --> 00:45:03,909 Success can get you. 1091 00:45:03,992 --> 00:45:07,079 [soft music] 1092 00:45:07,162 --> 00:45:09,039 And you don't even know. 1093 00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:12,751 ♪ ♪ 1094 00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:59,858 [bright tone]