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[tape recorder clicks]

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[Epstein]
<i>Look, if there's something we can do</i>

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<i>to minimize Ghislaine's involvement,
I'd appreciate it because there's nothing...</i>

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<i>It's... it's just unfair because she...
she really plays no role.</i>

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<i>And Ghislaine was never...
never ever a part of any of this stuff.</i>

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<i>It turned out not to be,
you know, truthful</i>

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<i>that she was involved in procuring women.
The whole thing's ridiculous.</i>

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<i>I... I'm willing to take the heat</i>

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<i>for, you know, the situation
I've been involved in.</i>

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<i>She's already fragile.</i>

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<i>You know, to bring innocent people in
simply because she's well-known,</i>

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<i>I... I just think is unfair,
and I'm telling you, it's defamatory.</i>

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<i>And it's bullshit.</i>

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[suspenseful music playing]

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Speculation has abounded for several days

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as to the whereabouts
of Ghislaine Maxwell.

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[man 1] After Jeffrey Epstein's death,

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the inevitable question was,
"When is Ghislaine gonna be arrested?"

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[reporter 1] <i>Maxwell has been accused
of recruiting underage girls</i>

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<i>to act as sex slaves
for Epstein and other men.</i>

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[woman 1] She's accused
of being not only a coconspirator

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but also an abuser herself.

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[man 2] All our friends
who'd known her at the time were like,

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"Where the hell is Ghislaine?"

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[airplane engine roaring]

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Maxwell, who is allegedly now under
a new FBI investigation, is in hiding.

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[woman 2] Ghislaine Maxwell
has multiple citizenships.

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She could flee to a country
where we could no longer prosecute her.

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[reporter 2] <i>It's been nearly
half a year since Epstein's death,</i>

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<i>and Ghislaine Maxwell
is still nowhere to be found.</i>

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[woman 3] I was thinking in my head,
"Well, she better stay hidden,

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because they are gonna just destroy her."

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[man 3] Ghislaine Maxwell
was hiding from the public.

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She was hiding from the press.
She was hiding from authorities.

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She was hoping
that everybody would forget about it.

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Clearly, that didn't work.

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[suspenseful music fading]

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[reporter 3] <i>Authorities have been
searching for Ghislaine Maxwell.</i>

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<i>At 8:30 this morning,
they found her here, in New Hampshire.</i>

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[woman 4] It was an aggressive raid.
And she ran into the other room.

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They found that she was trying
to hide her location

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by putting tinfoil on her cell phone.

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She clearly did not want to be found.

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[woman 5] Today, we announce charges
against Ghislaine Maxwell

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for helping Jeffrey Epstein

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sexually exploit and abuse
multiple minor girls.

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I firmly believe that she didn't think
she was doing anything wrong.

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[unsettling music playing]

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Now the question is, was it fate?

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Was it always going to happen?

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Or was there that point where
she could've gone down a different road?

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[reporter 4] <i>If convicted on all counts,</i>

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<i>the 58-year-old Maxwell
could face up to 35 years in prison.</i>

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[woman 6] And now that Ghislaine
has been arrested,

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the more important question is,

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will power and money stand in the way
of justice once again,

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the way it has so many times before
in this twisted story?

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[tranquil music playing]

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[woman] I'm a survivor of the abuse
at the hands of Maxwell and Epstein.

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And I'm going to be testifying
in her upcoming trial.

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I met Maxwell and Epstein
when I was just 16 years old

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through my sister, Maria Farmer.

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We were both abused by Maxwell and Epstein
in separate instances in the '90s.

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We reported it to the authorities,
and nothing was done.

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My sister went to the FBI in 1996
and told them.

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We both talked to reporters in 2002.

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Come on.

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Then, we talked to the FBI in 2006,

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but still, nothing was done.

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And then in 2019, I was so hopeful
that we would finally get accountability.

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Fox News has learned
that billionaire Jeffrey Epstein

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has been charged by federal prosecutors
with sex trafficking.

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[man] Epstein is charged
in a two-count indictment.

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First, conspiracy to commit
sex trafficking and second,

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the substantive crime
of sex trafficking of underage girls.

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[Annie Farmer]
We were finally hoping to get justice,

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but then my husband
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with the news of what happened.

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And I felt sick to my stomach.

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[reporter] <i>We do want to start here
with breaking news right now.</i>

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<i>Sources telling ABC News</i>

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<i>that accused sex trafficker
Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide.</i>

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[male anchor]
<i>Epstein's accusers are furious tonight,</i>

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<i>saying he won't have to face justice</i>

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<i>while they have to live with their scars
for the rest of their lives.</i>

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[birds chirping]

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[Annie Farmer] It was the summer of 2020,

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and it had been some time
since Epstein had... had died.

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I woke up the morning of my birthday
to a phone call very early

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that I was not expecting,
and I saw that it was Sigrid calling me.

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Sigrid McCawley and David Boies
are my attorneys<i>,</i>

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and I've worked with them
for several years to pursue justice

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against Epstein and Maxwell.

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When I answered the phone,

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Sigrid told me that Maxwell
had just been arrested

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and that I was one of the women
that had been included

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in the charges against her.

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[McCawley] I've been working with victims
of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell

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for about seven years now.

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What's so incredible about Annie's story

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is that she started telling it
decades ago,

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and finally, now, Ghislaine Maxwell
is being tried for those crimes.

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- Hi, David.
- Hi.

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[Boies] The Maxwell and Epstein
sex-trafficking enterprise

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is a good illustration

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of how slow society moves
and how slow the justice system moves.

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This is, finally, an opportunity
for vindication for the survivors.

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The current criminal case
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all underage victims.

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[McCawley] Two of whom are not public,
and one of whom is Annie Farmer.

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[Annie Farmer]
I chose to use my name at the trial

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because I had been working already
to bring attention

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to what had happened in this case.

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And I was just highlighting
the indictment...

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[Annie Farmer] David and Sigrid
are helping me to know what's coming

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and to help me think
about how to clearly present my story.

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I think we see, you know,
the indictment, there's a lot in here

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that's, uh, really critical to her story.

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I think what I was taken by
was the focus on grooming.

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- [Boies] Yeah.
- The grooming was such a big piece

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of what she went through
and how they lured her into this.

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Annie presents incredibly well.

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She has a degree in psychology,
a doctorate.

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And frankly, the consistency
of her story over many, many years.

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At the trial, I expect that
they're gonna get into the details

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of what happened to her.

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I think they're gonna pick it apart
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And I think being put on the stand
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by these really ferocious lawyers
is gonna be hard.

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[Boies] She's a wonderfully strong,
articulate young woman,

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but she's not an experienced witness.

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And we're gonna have to be sure
that she knows the kind of questions

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that Maxwell's attorneys are gonna ask
on cross-examination.

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[Annie Farmer] This process of waiting
to get to trial is hard,

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because on the one hand,
I'm dreading testifying...

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Come on.

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...and on the other hand, I'm really ready
to close this chapter of my life

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and move on to other things.

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Yeah, your sister's nervous.

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[pensive music playing]

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[man] I've been fighting for justice
on behalf of now more than 65

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of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein's
victims for over 13 years.

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I represent one of three victims
that is going to be called to testify

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in the Maxwell trial.

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My client is gonna proceed
under the pseudonym "Kate,"

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as this case has international attention,

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and she has a young daughter.

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She wants to be protective of her.

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She wants to be protective
of her own privacy.

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And she feels that it's very important
to bring Ghislaine Maxwell to justice,

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as do I.

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[somber music playing]

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[Edwards] After accumulating
100 banker's boxes of material,

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this is just a small fraction

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of the information that we compiled
regarding Ghislaine Maxwell's whereabouts

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at certain times.

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Photographs, witness statements,
police reports, timelines,

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spiderwebs of victims,

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all of the evidence

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that showed direct interaction
between the victims and Ghislaine Maxwell.

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The identical evidence that
the prosecutors are gonna show the jury

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in the upcoming trial
against Ghislaine Maxwell.

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My best guesstimate,
just based on everything that I know,

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is that Jeffrey Epstein accumulated
more than 500 victims.

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At this point,
I think Jeffrey Epstein is the undisputed,

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most prolific sexual predator of all time.

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But without Ghislaine's help,

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he could never have pulled off
such an elaborate scheme

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and abused so many.

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She fed a monster.
You have to kind of be a monster to do it.

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Jeffrey Epstein is molesting
hundreds and hundreds of girls

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from the time that Ghislaine meets him
until he's arrested.

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And yet, the only trial
that's going to happen

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related to the sex trafficking
is against Ghislaine.

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My law partner, Brittany Henderson,
David Boies, Sigrid McCawley,

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and I have worked for years
to put this puzzle together.

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Even though we represent
different clients,

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we have a united front
and are now helping the prosecutors

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to make sure they put
the strongest case forward.

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Four sex-trafficking charges.

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And now there's a lot of work to be done.

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The victims and witnesses
are gonna be ready.

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They've always been ready.

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I think the strongest arguments
for the prosecution are really the voices

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of these young women.

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I think the biggest challenge
is that Ghislaine Maxwell

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is very effective
at presenting herself incredibly well.

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She is well-educated.

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She comes across
as a very sophisticated woman,

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which gives people comfort

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because they assume
that somebody of that stature

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is, of course, not going to be somebody

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that they would envision
as being an abuser.

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[upbeat synth music playing]

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[car horns blaring]

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[upbeat synth music continues]

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[man 1] I met Ghislaine in November 1989.

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At the time, she was visiting from London.

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I was going to a nightclub
and having dinner with some friends,

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who had been at Oxford with Ghislaine.

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She was the life of every party,

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knew absolutely everyone,

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extremely popular, vivacious personality.

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I remember Ghislaine told
a lot of very funny, dirty jokes.

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That night, I went home
and wrote in my diary,

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"Met Ghislaine Maxwell,
hilarious sense of humor,

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incredibly good fun,

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and she's just a really live wire,

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and I hope I get to see her again."

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[camera shutter clicks]

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[man 2] I met Ghislaine in New York,

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and we had a fair number
of friends in common.

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A couple of people I knew had dated her.

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And she was a connector.

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She was gregarious and quite glamorous

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and a bit raunchy and quite wild.

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And made more interesting
by the fact that her father

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was this rather notorious business figure,
Robert Maxwell.

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[Robert Maxwell] Captain, you might come
and take this bag from my secretary.

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[Mason] Robert Maxwell
was this larger-than-life character.

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Notorious press baron,

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a wheeler-dealer,

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and just a monstrous ego,

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a kind of successful scoundrel.

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[Rellie] Her father had set her up
in this life

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which allowed her to be, you know,
at the fulcrum of New York society.

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She was, you know, like
the sparkling debutante or something.

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So, the bottom picture, uh,
we were at an event in, um, Los Angeles.

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And I'm in, like, my early twenties.

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And yeah, we were having,
like, a lot of fun back then.

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Yeah, she was definitely, like,
a kind of flirtatious character, for sure.

234
00:13:41,862 --> 00:13:44,490
She exuded this mysterious air about her.

235
00:13:44,573 --> 00:13:48,035
Like, you never knew,
like, which tropical location

236
00:13:48,118 --> 00:13:50,120
she'd just jetted in from.

237
00:13:50,204 --> 00:13:52,665
She was like a... a Bond character.

238
00:13:52,748 --> 00:13:55,125
She never stayed in one place very long.

239
00:13:55,626 --> 00:13:57,920
She didn't really even need
to be a social climber,

240
00:13:58,003 --> 00:14:01,590
because she already was
at the top because of her father.

241
00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:03,759
She knew everyone.

242
00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:06,637
And these people
were, like, running countries

243
00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,848
or were, like, famous musicians, or...

244
00:14:08,931 --> 00:14:14,353
You know, she... she knew, like,
the very top percentage of the people

245
00:14:14,436 --> 00:14:16,689
that basically rule the world.

246
00:14:19,024 --> 00:14:21,652
Could she read a room?
Yeah, for sure, definitely.

247
00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:24,947
She knew exactly, like,
if she was going to an event,

248
00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:27,491
who was gonna be there.
And she would've scoped it out,

249
00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:31,453
and she would know all about them
and who she's gonna spend time on.

250
00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:35,040
On the scale of shark,
she'd probably be a great white shark.

251
00:14:35,124 --> 00:14:37,126
[somber music playing]

252
00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:42,631
[woman 1] She's never been
really sensitive

253
00:14:42,715 --> 00:14:44,425
to the feelings of others.

254
00:14:45,009 --> 00:14:47,970
She had no boundaries.

255
00:14:48,053 --> 00:14:51,181
She was overtly sexual

256
00:14:51,265 --> 00:14:55,978
but more as an arranger and a teacher.

257
00:14:56,896 --> 00:14:59,815
And I remember one party,

258
00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:03,903
Ghislaine, who I hadn't seen for a while,
sort of appears from nowhere,

259
00:15:03,986 --> 00:15:06,530
grabs my hand,

260
00:15:07,323 --> 00:15:10,576
and suddenly suggests
that she gives me a lesson

261
00:15:10,659 --> 00:15:14,413
in the art of performing oral sex.

262
00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,080
Um...

263
00:15:16,999 --> 00:15:18,876
I was absolutely flabbergasted.

264
00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:27,718
She would encourage girls at parties
to flirt with the men there

265
00:15:28,302 --> 00:15:32,139
and do even more than flirt.
I mean, literally, to go to bed with them.

266
00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:37,329
[woman 2] I remember meeting Ghislaine
for the first time

267
00:15:37,353 --> 00:15:40,940
at Headington Hill Hall,
the family home of the Maxwells,

268
00:15:41,023 --> 00:15:44,985
and being very struck
by how beautiful she was.

269
00:15:45,069 --> 00:15:47,071
Um, she was just delightful.

270
00:15:47,154 --> 00:15:48,514
[Mozart's "Turkish March" playing]

271
00:15:48,572 --> 00:15:50,824
I was there for a dinner party,

272
00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:54,244
and I don't remember anybody else
in the family being there.

273
00:15:55,037 --> 00:15:56,830
Ghislaine was 29 at the time,

274
00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:59,875
and most of the people there
seemed to be around that age

275
00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:01,877
or slightly older, in their mid-thirties.

276
00:16:03,253 --> 00:16:06,548
We had a very nice meal.
There was a lot of laughter.

277
00:16:07,091 --> 00:16:08,759
Then Ghislaine stood up and disappeared.

278
00:16:11,053 --> 00:16:13,389
She came back with a handful of scarves

279
00:16:13,472 --> 00:16:16,892
and then sort of, you know,
demanded everybody's attention

280
00:16:18,185 --> 00:16:20,604
and then described the game.

281
00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:26,151
And the game involved
blindfolding the men with these scarves.

282
00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:30,155
And then she explained the women
would take off their tops and bras

283
00:16:30,239 --> 00:16:31,782
and would parade before the men,

284
00:16:31,865 --> 00:16:34,952
and the men would then
be able to fondle the breasts

285
00:16:36,537 --> 00:16:41,166
and would then attempt to identify
to whom the breasts belonged,

286
00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:43,252
relative to the other women in the room.

287
00:16:44,586 --> 00:16:48,215
This was my idea of, uh...
the... the ultimate nightmare.

288
00:16:48,298 --> 00:16:49,466
[people laughing]

289
00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:52,261
[Glucksmann]
I just remember feeling incredibly shocked

290
00:16:53,303 --> 00:16:56,724
and immediately started working
on my escape plan.

291
00:16:58,726 --> 00:17:00,686
But it's haunted me ever since.

292
00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:02,771
The women had no power,

293
00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:07,568
and the men were being invited
by a woman to be assaulted.

294
00:17:07,651 --> 00:17:09,653
[despondent music playing]

295
00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:13,949
[camera shutter clicking]

296
00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:18,871
[Wyatt] Ghislaine Maxwell
grew up with sexism.

297
00:17:18,954 --> 00:17:22,207
Her father believed
that women were basically there

298
00:17:22,291 --> 00:17:24,209
for men's pleasure and convenience.

299
00:17:25,210 --> 00:17:29,423
He really did view women as objects.

300
00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:32,885
I met Robert Maxwell for the first time

301
00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:35,137
at my father's house,

302
00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:41,268
and I remember noticing that his wife,
Betty, was like a sort of poor dormouse.

303
00:17:42,644 --> 00:17:44,480
She hardly said a word.

304
00:17:45,105 --> 00:17:48,025
Maxwell immediately started
to flirt with my mother

305
00:17:48,108 --> 00:17:51,028
and then flirt with me,
which is something he did a lot.

306
00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:56,450
He treated his wife badly.
He was unfaithful to his wife.

307
00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:01,830
[Hervey] I think the fact
that her mother stayed with her father,

308
00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:04,500
even though he had,
like, multiple affairs,

309
00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:08,253
I think that probably
did have an effect on her.

310
00:18:08,337 --> 00:18:11,465
She probably, like, in her head
thought that that was normal.

311
00:18:13,550 --> 00:18:18,013
[Rellie] But still, she was
desperately, desperately fond of her dad.

312
00:18:20,182 --> 00:18:22,059
Ghislaine doted on her father

313
00:18:23,018 --> 00:18:24,018
and vice versa.

314
00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,105
[indistinct chatter]

315
00:18:26,730 --> 00:18:29,608
[Wyatt] Robert Maxwell used
to go around with Ghislaine

316
00:18:29,691 --> 00:18:31,610
as a kind of mascot.

317
00:18:31,693 --> 00:18:33,195
It... it was an odd relationship

318
00:18:33,278 --> 00:18:38,951
because it was more like
a kind of man-and-his-lover relationship.

319
00:18:39,034 --> 00:18:40,828
I don't mean in a physical sense,

320
00:18:40,911 --> 00:18:44,498
but he was very proud of her figure

321
00:18:44,581 --> 00:18:47,292
and the fact that she was attractive
and glamorous,

322
00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:49,628
and he liked having her on his arm.

323
00:18:50,963 --> 00:18:54,716
In a rather unhealthy way,
he was her anchor and ballast.

324
00:19:01,473 --> 00:19:03,100
[foreboding music playing]

325
00:19:03,183 --> 00:19:05,185
[waves crashing]

326
00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:10,566
[board member] The board of Mirror Group
Newspapers announces with deep regret

327
00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:14,820
that Robert Maxwell,
chairman of Mirror Group Newspapers, PLC

328
00:19:14,903 --> 00:19:18,323
and Maxwell Communication Corporation,
is missing at sea.

329
00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:20,993
[Dan Rather]
<i>Maxwell was last seen before dawn</i>

330
00:19:21,076 --> 00:19:23,203
<i>off the Canary Islands in the Atlantic.</i>

331
00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:26,540
<i>Hours later, searchers found his body.</i>

332
00:19:28,542 --> 00:19:31,545
[Mason] His death was big news.

333
00:19:31,628 --> 00:19:34,173
And it was this big mystery.

334
00:19:34,256 --> 00:19:36,008
Had he been murdered?

335
00:19:36,675 --> 00:19:39,094
Had he just fallen off his yacht?

336
00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:41,263
- [reporters clamoring]
- [cameras clicking]

337
00:19:43,765 --> 00:19:48,896
[Mason] Ghislaine seemed
utterly devastated by her father's death.

338
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,860
[Ghislaine Maxwell]
I want to take this opportunity

339
00:19:55,986 --> 00:20:00,324
to thank all the many hundreds of people

340
00:20:02,117 --> 00:20:07,080
who have sent messages of support to us

341
00:20:07,956 --> 00:20:10,375
at this very, very sad time.

342
00:20:14,755 --> 00:20:16,715
[Wyatt] I think without him,

343
00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:18,967
she was like somebody

344
00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:23,013
who'd been chucked into the sea
without a life belt.

345
00:20:26,350 --> 00:20:29,603
[Mason] The news of his death
was followed very shortly thereafter

346
00:20:29,686 --> 00:20:35,609
by these revelations that he had plundered
the pension plans of his workers.

347
00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,654
[man] The scandal was so big

348
00:20:39,154 --> 00:20:42,908
that it would have been very difficult
for her to continue existing in London.

349
00:20:43,408 --> 00:20:45,869
And I think that she really had
to move away.

350
00:20:45,953 --> 00:20:47,955
[tense music playing]

351
00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:54,503
[Mason] I remember visiting her
in her apartment on the Upper East Side,

352
00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:57,381
and she was suddenly out of money.

353
00:20:57,881 --> 00:21:01,009
Robert Maxwell had left his family
in the lurch.

354
00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:06,098
It was as if she was sort of
bravely weathering this challenge

355
00:21:06,181 --> 00:21:09,977
of, you know, the mysterious death
of her beloved father.

356
00:21:13,647 --> 00:21:16,608
[Ghislaine Maxwell] I'm extremely sad
that my father is no longer here,

357
00:21:16,692 --> 00:21:22,197
but I don't feel in any way smaller
or lesser than what I was before.

358
00:21:22,781 --> 00:21:26,159
The future is the future. You just get on
and do whatever you can do.

359
00:21:26,743 --> 00:21:28,412
If I have a wish for myself,

360
00:21:28,495 --> 00:21:30,789
it's to do something positive
with my life.

361
00:21:33,041 --> 00:21:38,130
And she veered towards
a replacement Robert Maxwell,

362
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,594
a bombastic man
who was also very, very rich

363
00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:49,099
and had many of the traits of her father,
and he was called Jeffrey Epstein.

364
00:21:53,562 --> 00:21:55,647
[unsettling music playing]

365
00:21:58,317 --> 00:21:59,568
[car horns blaring]

366
00:22:00,068 --> 00:22:02,422
[reporter 1] <i>Ghislaine Maxwell
is facing new federal charges</i>

367
00:22:02,446 --> 00:22:03,989
<i>of child sex trafficking.</i>

368
00:22:04,072 --> 00:22:06,366
<i>The new indictment adds
a fourth alleged victim.</i>

369
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:10,996
<i>Prosecutors accusing her of trafficking
a 14-year-old girl in the early 2000s.</i>

370
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:14,333
[reporter 2] <i>This is on top of six charges
Maxwell was already facing</i>

371
00:22:14,416 --> 00:22:17,002
<i>tied to Epstein's alleged
sex-trafficking network.</i>

372
00:22:17,085 --> 00:22:19,713
[reporter 3] <i>It could be
effectively a life sentence for her</i>

373
00:22:19,796 --> 00:22:22,424
<i>if she's convicted
and given the maximum here.</i>

374
00:22:23,633 --> 00:22:27,304
[Boies] The newest victim that's been
added to the criminal indictment

375
00:22:27,387 --> 00:22:33,894
lays out how Maxwell got her
to try to solicit other people to join

376
00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,480
the sex-trafficking, uh, enterprise.

377
00:22:36,563 --> 00:22:39,316
So this takes the indictment
to another level.

378
00:22:39,399 --> 00:22:41,693
- [cameras clicking]
- [man chatter indistinctly]

379
00:22:41,777 --> 00:22:44,505
[McCawley] I always say, in this case,
truth is stranger than fiction.

380
00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:46,948
So, I think it's really hard
for people to understand

381
00:22:47,032 --> 00:22:51,036
the vast depth
of the trafficking that occurred,

382
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,622
and that's so unnatural to so many people.

383
00:22:53,705 --> 00:22:57,209
So, I think people are fascinated with it
for those reasons.

384
00:22:58,085 --> 00:23:00,087
[somber music playing]

385
00:23:02,672 --> 00:23:05,300
After the hearing was over,
Ghislaine stood up,

386
00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:07,177
she stood around her attorneys,

387
00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:11,181
and I saw her look over to her sister
who was waiting in the gallery,

388
00:23:11,264 --> 00:23:16,144
and, um, she tapped her eye,
and she also waved at her,

389
00:23:16,228 --> 00:23:19,606
and that was the first time
we've seen one of Ghislaine's relatives

390
00:23:19,689 --> 00:23:22,192
appear before the court in support of her.

391
00:23:22,275 --> 00:23:24,277
[woman] Does she look okay to you?

392
00:23:25,028 --> 00:23:28,615
[man] Ghislaine is in very,
very, very difficult conditions,

393
00:23:28,698 --> 00:23:32,619
conditions none of us would wish
on our worst enemies.

394
00:23:32,702 --> 00:23:36,415
I've never seen anything like it,
how she's being treated.

395
00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:37,707
It's the "Epstein Effect."

396
00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:40,669
[somber music playing]

397
00:23:44,589 --> 00:23:46,591
[brooding music playing]

398
00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:53,890
[Mason] The first time I remember
hearing about Jeffrey Epstein

399
00:23:53,974 --> 00:23:58,937
was, Ghislaine invited me
to a party she was giving for her mother

400
00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:00,730
in New York,

401
00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:05,152
and she explained that it was
at the house of this guy she was dating,

402
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:06,944
Jeffrey Epstein.

403
00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:08,738
[pensive music playing]

404
00:24:09,239 --> 00:24:11,575
[Rellie] When I first met Jeffrey Epstein,

405
00:24:11,658 --> 00:24:17,539
I thought he was a wildly successful
investment banker-turned-money manager,

406
00:24:17,622 --> 00:24:21,626
for whom everything in the world,
you know, had fallen into his lap.

407
00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:24,504
[Mason] The story Ghislaine told
over and over again

408
00:24:24,588 --> 00:24:29,509
was that you didn't have a chance
of Jeffrey taking you on as a client

409
00:24:29,593 --> 00:24:32,304
if you had
less than a billion dollars to invest.

410
00:24:33,346 --> 00:24:36,016
That was part of the mystique

411
00:24:36,099 --> 00:24:38,351
of the man that Ghislaine was dating.

412
00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:44,232
[Rellie] So, I remember thinking,
"He's clearly talented, successful,

413
00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,776
well-dressed, handsome,

414
00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:51,907
but he made extraordinarily little effort,
frankly, as a host."

415
00:24:52,949 --> 00:24:55,994
It was an odd dichotomy
between the two of them,

416
00:24:56,077 --> 00:25:00,832
with Ghislaine flitting around,
making everybody comfortable,

417
00:25:00,916 --> 00:25:02,792
getting drinks, champagne,
whatever you wanted.

418
00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:07,047
Ghislaine, kind of, orchestrating
the waiters bringing people snacks

419
00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:08,130
and so on.

420
00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:10,467
[indistinct chatter]

421
00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:13,887
Have you got drinks?

422
00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:18,975
[Wyatt] She knew how to be a hostess
in a grand, old-fashioned way,

423
00:25:19,059 --> 00:25:22,854
and I think somebody like Epstein,
um, who was very much new money,

424
00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:24,940
was attracted to this,

425
00:25:25,023 --> 00:25:28,109
'cause he probably saw her
as upper-class English accent,

426
00:25:28,193 --> 00:25:31,947
been to Oxford,
you know, wears designer clothes,

427
00:25:32,614 --> 00:25:35,158
has lots of well-known friends.

428
00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:36,659
[pops]

429
00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:41,498
Suddenly, they were seen together
at all these smart parties,

430
00:25:41,581 --> 00:25:45,752
all the expensive parties,
seemingly as a couple.

431
00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:48,880
She seemed genuinely deeply
in love with him.

432
00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:52,467
[Rellie] She would be
quite touchy-feely with him.

433
00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:54,511
She'd touch his elbow
or touch his shoulder.

434
00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:56,555
And they seemed intimate.

435
00:25:57,180 --> 00:26:00,392
Whenever you saw Ghislaine,
it was, "Jeffrey this and Jeffrey that,"

436
00:26:00,475 --> 00:26:02,477
and all she spoke about was him.

437
00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:07,148
You got this feeling
that she was just, like, so loyal to him.

438
00:26:12,571 --> 00:26:17,325
I met Ghislaine Maxwell
in the fall of 1994

439
00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:21,037
while I was a senior
at the Fashion Institute of Technology.

440
00:26:21,663 --> 00:26:23,373
At the time, I was 21.

441
00:26:26,167 --> 00:26:27,419
I worked at Henri Bendel.

442
00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:29,963
One day, while I was working,

443
00:26:30,922 --> 00:26:32,799
Ghislaine came into the store.

444
00:26:33,883 --> 00:26:35,427
When she told me her name,

445
00:26:36,136 --> 00:26:37,512
I remember I was...

446
00:26:38,179 --> 00:26:40,932
I couldn't figure out
how you would spell that.

447
00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:44,644
And I said, "That sounds like
a French spelling of 'gasoline.'"

448
00:26:44,728 --> 00:26:46,605
And she laughed at me, and she said,

449
00:26:46,688 --> 00:26:49,524
"My boyfriend thinks
I'm a lot like gasoline."

450
00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,568
"He's a match, and I'm gasoline."

451
00:26:51,651 --> 00:26:53,903
And we laughed over that.

452
00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:55,905
And I helped her shop.

453
00:26:55,989 --> 00:27:00,035
And she picked out things,
and we continued the conversation.

454
00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:03,872
It was... easy to talk to her.

455
00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:08,752
I felt like I had met a friend
in Ghislaine that I could trust.

456
00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:11,254
I felt safe.

457
00:27:11,338 --> 00:27:15,342
So when we wrapped up the transaction,

458
00:27:15,425 --> 00:27:19,471
she let me know that she wanted me
to deliver her packages that evening

459
00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:22,390
at a hotel that was close by.

460
00:27:24,392 --> 00:27:25,685
When I arrived,

461
00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:29,272
the concierge escorted me into the bar,

462
00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:33,652
where I met Ghislaine
and, ultimately, Jeffrey Epstein.

463
00:27:33,735 --> 00:27:36,446
If I thought Ghislaine was electrifying,

464
00:27:36,529 --> 00:27:39,282
Jeffrey was... on fire.

465
00:27:41,451 --> 00:27:46,623
They explained to me that the residence
was undergoing renovations at that time,

466
00:27:46,706 --> 00:27:51,002
and they asked me
if I would come up to their room

467
00:27:51,086 --> 00:27:52,504
to deliver the packages.

468
00:27:52,587 --> 00:27:54,089
[elevator dings]

469
00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:58,385
We went up to the room,

470
00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:02,972
and we were just having
normal conversation.

471
00:28:03,056 --> 00:28:04,182
At one point,

472
00:28:05,058 --> 00:28:06,351
Jeffrey got up

473
00:28:06,434 --> 00:28:08,687
and went into the bathroom,

474
00:28:09,437 --> 00:28:11,064
and Ghislaine followed him.

475
00:28:12,482 --> 00:28:15,860
Jeffrey and Ghislaine
both came out in bathrobes.

476
00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:19,823
For the most part,
it was pretty light-hearted,

477
00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:22,075
until it wasn't.

478
00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:25,995
The tone of everything changed
in a moment.

479
00:28:27,789 --> 00:28:32,043
They started talking about relationships
between men and women,

480
00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:36,715
and they started
to kiss each other in front of me.

481
00:28:38,466 --> 00:28:43,263
As Ghislaine and Jeffrey started
to become increasingly intimate,

482
00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:45,765
I was sitting across from them, watching,

483
00:28:45,849 --> 00:28:50,145
and I was in shock.
I was completely taken aback.

484
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:53,815
I thought I was there
in a professional capacity,

485
00:28:53,898 --> 00:28:56,401
and I really didn't know how to react.

486
00:28:57,694 --> 00:29:01,573
Ghislaine encouraged me to join,

487
00:29:03,283 --> 00:29:07,120
and Ghislaine started to instruct me,

488
00:29:07,996 --> 00:29:09,956
kind of as a big sister,

489
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:13,334
about what he liked
and how she pleased him,

490
00:29:14,169 --> 00:29:18,214
and the alarm bells in me were going off.

491
00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:21,968
Ghislaine was insistent
that I participate,

492
00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:25,764
and I was scared that

493
00:29:25,847 --> 00:29:31,102
this was going to potentially turn
into an assault.

494
00:29:31,728 --> 00:29:33,688
And it did turn into an assault.

495
00:29:34,814 --> 00:29:39,235
I was visibly freaked out
and not wanting to participate.

496
00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:44,073
And, as soon as I could, I backed away.

497
00:29:44,157 --> 00:29:48,203
I reminded Ghislaine that my boyfriend
was coming in for the weekend,

498
00:29:48,828 --> 00:29:51,873
and that's how I got out
of the hotel room that evening.

499
00:29:51,956 --> 00:29:54,036
- [grim music playing]
- [footsteps receding rapidly]

500
00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:01,800
[indistinct chatter]

501
00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:06,429
[Rellie] We used to gossip
about Jeffrey and Ghislaine

502
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:09,307
to try and make sense
of this slightly odd relationship.

503
00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:12,936
It was a rather strange mixture of facets.

504
00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:16,731
[Wyatt] I mean, it wasn't
a normal relationship,

505
00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:20,151
but it was the kind of relationship
she obviously needed.

506
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:23,696
She couldn't feel secure without money.

507
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:27,742
And he was a good catch
for her financially.

508
00:30:28,743 --> 00:30:32,455
They became totally dependent
on each other in a weird way.

509
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,961
[Couturier] As far as Jeffrey Epstein
was concerned,

510
00:30:38,044 --> 00:30:42,590
there was something
that... that sort of reeked of vice.

511
00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:44,676
[somber music playing]

512
00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:47,971
I mean, it's not that we were all saints.

513
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:50,431
You know, we all did things
that we shouldn't have done.

514
00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:56,354
But there was something
that was... charged in negativity in him,

515
00:30:56,437 --> 00:30:59,607
which few people that I met had.

516
00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:04,654
[Rellie] He could be quite dismissive
towards Ghislaine.

517
00:31:04,737 --> 00:31:07,156
There was a darkness
about the whole thing.

518
00:31:08,324 --> 00:31:11,536
[Couturier] And actually,
the funny thing is, is that he owed her

519
00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:15,582
all these entries into society
that he might not have had otherwise.

520
00:31:16,457 --> 00:31:18,001
You know, like royalty.

521
00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:24,173
[woman] Ghislaine's connection
to the Royal Family

522
00:31:24,257 --> 00:31:27,051
really dates back to her father,
Robert Maxwell,

523
00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:28,636
who knew the Queen of England.

524
00:31:29,512 --> 00:31:32,807
Ghislaine Maxwell met Prince Andrew
while she was studying at Oxford.

525
00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:35,810
And because of her father's business ties,

526
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:39,314
she was already running around
in circles with Royals.

527
00:31:39,898 --> 00:31:41,900
- [faint laughter]
- [indistinct chatter]

528
00:31:44,986 --> 00:31:46,821
[Rellie] Sometime in the late '90s,

529
00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:49,866
Ghislaine said,
"My old friend Andrew's in town."

530
00:31:49,949 --> 00:31:51,451
"Will you come for dinner?"

531
00:31:51,534 --> 00:31:53,254
I said, "Of course.
I'd love to. Thank you."

532
00:31:54,370 --> 00:32:00,877
And I remember Prince Andrew
being distinctly bored by the whole thing.

533
00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:06,341
And it was almost, sort of, competitive
between, uh, Epstein and Prince Andrew

534
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:11,763
as to who could seem more haughty
and bored and... and disdainful

535
00:32:11,846 --> 00:32:13,014
of the whole event.

536
00:32:15,058 --> 00:32:17,518
I remember Andrew cheering up a tiny bit

537
00:32:17,602 --> 00:32:20,688
when there was a younger female
sitting and talking to him

538
00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:23,816
and otherwise having
practically no interest

539
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:25,818
in anything else or anyone else.

540
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:29,072
It was a sort of unhealthy scene.

541
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:32,951
[grim music playing]

542
00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:36,120
[Mason] The story I started hearing was

543
00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:41,542
that apparently... Jeffrey Epstein
kind of likes younger women

544
00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:46,381
and that he kind of likes,
um... schoolgirls,

545
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,800
um, uh... and that

546
00:32:49,884 --> 00:32:53,179
Ghislaine introduces him to girls

547
00:32:53,262 --> 00:32:55,807
because that's... He... That's his thing.

548
00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:57,892
[somber music playing]

549
00:33:01,354 --> 00:33:04,607
And people were speculating that Ghislaine

550
00:33:04,691 --> 00:33:08,653
was hanging out with seniors

551
00:33:08,736 --> 00:33:13,282
at a very fancy private girls school
on the Upper East Side

552
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:15,952
and that

553
00:33:17,328 --> 00:33:20,289
she was introducing these girls
to Jeffrey.

554
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:26,504
Just seemed deeply weird.

555
00:33:26,587 --> 00:33:30,550
Why would Ghislaine be dating a guy
who liked younger women?

556
00:33:31,968 --> 00:33:35,763
[Rellie] Girls I knew
had talked about being invited for tea,

557
00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:39,434
and they didn't always want
to talk more than that.

558
00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:41,728
So, I got the sense, at the time,

559
00:33:41,811 --> 00:33:46,816
that there was something... a bit strange.

560
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:52,363
[Mason] In retrospect,
it seems so horrific

561
00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,949
to think that we were hearing about this,

562
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:58,911
and we weren't outraged.

563
00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:02,248
But honestly, it just seemed like...

564
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:05,376
flirtation.

565
00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:10,214
But what the hell was I thinking?
What were we all thinking?

566
00:34:15,094 --> 00:34:16,094
[cars honking]

567
00:34:16,804 --> 00:34:23,144
In 1997, Ghislaine had contacted me
and asked me to meet her at her apartment.

568
00:34:23,227 --> 00:34:25,229
[grim music playing]

569
00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:29,692
[elevator dings]

570
00:34:29,776 --> 00:34:35,490
[Oxenberg] She started off very confident,
saying, "I'm going to change your life."

571
00:34:35,573 --> 00:34:39,327
"I'm gonna give you a lot of money,
and you're gonna meet everyone."

572
00:34:40,244 --> 00:34:43,748
And then she asked me
to help her write her book.

573
00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:48,711
She says, "I want you
to live with me for a full year

574
00:34:48,795 --> 00:34:51,172
so you can learn everything about me."

575
00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:55,510
She's staring out the window
somewhat dramatically.

576
00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,679
She says, "You have to write
this book for me."

577
00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:02,642
She says, "Because I want Jeffrey
to marry me."

578
00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:09,816
And she says, "I need for Jeffrey
to see me in a more elevated light,

579
00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:14,362
and I believe that with this book,
that will be achieved."

580
00:35:15,655 --> 00:35:18,241
And then she starts to tell me

581
00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:24,789
that Jeffrey has been medically diagnosed
by the best doctors in the world,

582
00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:27,959
and he needs three orgasms a day.

583
00:35:29,168 --> 00:35:31,045
At this point, I realize... [chuckling]

584
00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:33,381
Um... I...

585
00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:37,343
"Am I on drugs?
Is she on drugs? What is going on?"

586
00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:40,054
I'm also thinking to myself,

587
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:44,642
"Which chapter does she want me
to put that in? I mean, is this for real?"

588
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:48,521
Then she says she picks up

589
00:35:48,604 --> 00:35:50,982
three girls a day for Jeffrey.

590
00:35:51,899 --> 00:35:56,654
And the phrase that she used,
which she thought explained it all was,

591
00:35:56,737 --> 00:35:59,657
"I cannot keep up with his needs."

592
00:36:00,783 --> 00:36:06,289
"I drive around. I search for a girl
that looks like Jeffrey's type."

593
00:36:06,372 --> 00:36:07,957
"And then I go and make a deal

594
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,837
and ask them if they'd like to give him
a massage for a couple of hundred bucks."

595
00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:18,092
And I say, "Who are these girls?
Who are you talking about?"

596
00:36:18,926 --> 00:36:22,054
And she says... And this is such a reveal.

597
00:36:22,138 --> 00:36:24,182
She says, "They are nothing."

598
00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:25,516
"They are trash."

599
00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:28,436
And it tells you everything.

600
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:32,732
It tells you everything about
how she compartmentalized people.

601
00:36:33,399 --> 00:36:37,612
I mean, she's not even acknowledging them
as human beings.

602
00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:41,574
And of course, I didn't know
we were talking about children.

603
00:36:41,657 --> 00:36:44,243
Had I, I would've called the police then.

604
00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:45,953
[cars honking]

605
00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:54,128
[Couturier] I think that society people
are quite protective of their own.

606
00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:58,424
You know, if somebody you know
has secrets that...

607
00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:00,718
Secrets ought not to be talked about.

608
00:37:01,344 --> 00:37:03,221
People would tend to be silent.

609
00:37:03,304 --> 00:37:04,347
[indistinct chatter]

610
00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:09,727
[foreboding music playing]

611
00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:14,690
[security alarm ringing]

612
00:37:14,774 --> 00:37:15,942
[metal doors clanging]

613
00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:22,698
[reporter 1] <i>Ghislaine Maxwell
has been in a Brooklyn jail cell</i>

614
00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:24,992
<i>since her arrest in July of last year.</i>

615
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:28,621
[reporter 2] <i>And as the world
awaits her fate, we're all wondering,</i>

616
00:37:28,704 --> 00:37:34,710
<i>will this formally missing puzzle piece
sing like a bird or suffer in silence?</i>

617
00:37:36,045 --> 00:37:39,632
There are those who say Ghislaine
might have "other dirt"

618
00:37:39,715 --> 00:37:41,300
on other powerful men.

619
00:37:41,384 --> 00:37:42,260
Thoughts on that?

620
00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:46,639
No question about it. Uh, Maxwell knows
where a lot of the bodies are buried.

621
00:37:46,722 --> 00:37:52,311
If I was somebody who had participated
in their sex trafficking,

622
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:55,439
um, I would not be sleeping
easily tonight.

623
00:37:57,441 --> 00:38:00,194
Now, she's at the top of the pyramid,

624
00:38:00,903 --> 00:38:03,072
and if she doesn't do a plea deal,

625
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:08,160
uh... she is facing
maybe the rest of her life in jail.

626
00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:11,372
Unattractive though it may be,

627
00:38:11,455 --> 00:38:14,250
at some point, you have to face reality.

628
00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:18,754
There is going to come a point in time,
if it hasn't happened already,

629
00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:20,298
and I'd be shocked if it hasn't,

630
00:38:20,381 --> 00:38:25,344
when the prosecutors are going to offer
Ghislaine Maxwell some plea deal.

631
00:38:25,428 --> 00:38:29,515
Uh, it's going to consist
of many, many years in prison.

632
00:38:31,017 --> 00:38:34,228
I don't know what
Ghislaine Maxwell's pain threshold is,

633
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:36,647
if she's gonna roll the dice
and go to trial.

634
00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:41,110
But if it seems like
something that's tolerable to her

635
00:38:41,193 --> 00:38:46,198
and less than what she would likely get
if she goes to trial and loses,

636
00:38:46,282 --> 00:38:49,952
I'd imagine that Ghislaine Maxwell
is going to consider taking it,

637
00:38:50,036 --> 00:38:55,082
because the credibility of the victims
testifying against her is very high.

638
00:38:58,044 --> 00:39:00,046
[foreboding music playing]

639
00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:06,486
[Annie Farmer] I knew of Epstein
and Maxwell before I met them,

640
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:09,347
because my sister, Maria,
was working for Epstein,

641
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:14,769
and she had described him
as a very generous patron of the arts

642
00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:17,521
and someone who was interested
in supporting people

643
00:39:17,605 --> 00:39:19,690
who were pursuing higher education.

644
00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:24,195
One of the things Epstein brought up
was that it might be beneficial for me

645
00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:28,032
to do something to make
my college application stand out.

646
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,204
And so he talked about
taking a trip abroad.

647
00:39:33,287 --> 00:39:37,333
He said he would financially help me
with a trip like that.

648
00:39:37,416 --> 00:39:41,170
And I was really excited
about that possibility.

649
00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:46,634
And so arrangements were made
for me to fly to New Mexico

650
00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:50,304
to meet with Epstein
and Maxwell on Epstein's ranch.

651
00:39:51,806 --> 00:39:56,602
They were both really warm
and excited for me to be there

652
00:39:56,685 --> 00:39:59,522
and immediately started
giving me a tour of the property.

653
00:40:00,481 --> 00:40:02,983
It was very impressive, and right away,

654
00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:06,195
I felt like I was sort of swept
into this world of theirs.

655
00:40:07,613 --> 00:40:09,281
But I soon realized

656
00:40:09,365 --> 00:40:13,160
that I was the only other person
staying at the ranch with them

657
00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:16,872
and tried to just, you know,
convince myself that this was normal,

658
00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:19,083
and this would still be a good experience.

659
00:40:20,793 --> 00:40:24,213
They took me into town to a Western store

660
00:40:24,296 --> 00:40:26,924
where they had me pick out
some cowboy boots.

661
00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:31,554
So they really made a lot of effort
to make me feel special.

662
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:35,599
But once we returned from shopping,

663
00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:38,894
there were moments
when things were very uncomfortable.

664
00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:43,315
One was when Maxwell said
that it was important

665
00:40:43,399 --> 00:40:45,860
that I learn how to rub Epstein's feet.

666
00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:48,946
So, she took one foot
and had me take his other foot

667
00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:51,532
and showed me how to massage them.

668
00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:55,578
And I, uh... you know,
was not... was not wanting to do this,

669
00:40:55,661 --> 00:40:58,456
but it seemed like this was just expected.

670
00:41:00,124 --> 00:41:04,253
Maxwell talked quite a bit
about massage, generally.

671
00:41:05,379 --> 00:41:10,468
And she said that
she would be happy to give me a massage.

672
00:41:10,551 --> 00:41:12,219
Eventually, I said, "Okay."

673
00:41:12,303 --> 00:41:17,099
And so, she got out her massage table
and set it up in my bedroom

674
00:41:17,808 --> 00:41:21,687
and asked me to undress
and lay on the table.

675
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:24,773
Once I was on my back
and she had pulled the sheet down,

676
00:41:24,857 --> 00:41:26,734
she touched my breasts.

677
00:41:26,817 --> 00:41:30,112
And I felt very uncomfortable

678
00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:34,742
and was, you know, just thinking about
wanting to get off of that massage table

679
00:41:34,825 --> 00:41:36,160
and have this be done.

680
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:41,081
The next morning,
Epstein came into the bedroom

681
00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:45,044
and, uh, said that he wanted
to cuddle with me.

682
00:41:45,127 --> 00:41:48,172
And so he, you know, got into bed with me

683
00:41:48,756 --> 00:41:51,717
and held me from behind.

684
00:41:52,593 --> 00:41:57,264
This was now a situation that I knew
in the pit of my stomach was not right.

685
00:41:58,349 --> 00:42:02,394
That was very scary, because I realized
that I was very isolated.

686
00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:04,647
I didn't know what else might happen next.

687
00:42:05,231 --> 00:42:08,317
I just wanted to try
to get away as soon as possible.

688
00:42:10,778 --> 00:42:14,865
This incident, of course, did affect me.

689
00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:16,659
It was over 25 years ago,

690
00:42:16,742 --> 00:42:19,342
and it's heartbreaking to think
how things could've been different

691
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:20,704
if someone had listened

692
00:42:20,788 --> 00:42:24,166
when my sister reported
Epstein and Maxwell.

693
00:42:29,046 --> 00:42:31,048
[foreboding music playing]

694
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:34,552
[wind gusting]

695
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:37,555
[somber music playing]

696
00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:47,064
[woman] This is the victim file. I wanna...

697
00:42:47,147 --> 00:42:51,068
I began working with survivors
of Jeffrey Epstein in 2007.

698
00:42:51,151 --> 00:42:54,655
I had two survivors
referred to me by the FBI.

699
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,285
And then, I had the opportunity of getting
to know some of the attorneys in the area

700
00:42:59,368 --> 00:43:02,955
who were working with victims,
who referred more victims to me.

701
00:43:03,038 --> 00:43:07,626
I have treated survivors
who have been manipulated by Ghislaine.

702
00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:11,630
With the upcoming trial
being only months away,

703
00:43:11,714 --> 00:43:14,008
I'm really concerned about how significant

704
00:43:14,091 --> 00:43:17,595
the triggers are going to be
for the survivors.

705
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:22,308
When Jeffrey Epstein
was arrested again in 2019,

706
00:43:22,391 --> 00:43:25,311
a number of the survivors
returned to therapy,

707
00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:28,814
because many of their memories
were triggered.

708
00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:33,527
Many were experiencing a number
of trauma reactions and flashbacks,

709
00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:37,323
and it brought them back to the abuse that
they endured by Jeffrey and Ghislaine.

710
00:43:38,699 --> 00:43:43,412
Hearing Ghislaine Maxwell's name
on the news can produce memories.

711
00:43:43,495 --> 00:43:47,166
These triggers can have
all of these symptoms to resurface.

712
00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:50,669
When somebody has been sexually abused,

713
00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:53,297
it doesn't matter
if it was 20 years ago or 50 years ago.

714
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,342
This is something
that will never be forgotten.

715
00:43:59,428 --> 00:44:01,513
[foreboding music playing]

716
00:44:04,975 --> 00:44:07,519
[Stein] After the assault
in that hotel room,

717
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:12,524
I wanted to completely forget
Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

718
00:44:13,442 --> 00:44:16,862
So, I went to another high-end retailer
in Manhattan.

719
00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:20,449
And I wasn't there for very long

720
00:44:20,532 --> 00:44:24,370
when Ghislaine Maxwell
came into the store one day.

721
00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:28,165
And I asked her,
"How did you find me here?"

722
00:44:28,248 --> 00:44:32,002
And she said that some of the people
that I worked with had told her

723
00:44:32,086 --> 00:44:33,086
that I had moved on.

724
00:44:34,004 --> 00:44:36,840
She again encouraged the friendship.

725
00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:39,551
Uh, we started talking again.

726
00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:42,262
And she began to invite me out socially.

727
00:44:42,888 --> 00:44:45,891
And I tried to stave off her advances.

728
00:44:45,974 --> 00:44:49,144
I tried to make excuses
for why I couldn't do things.

729
00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:51,980
But she knew everyone in fashion,

730
00:44:52,064 --> 00:44:55,567
and I understood how important it was

731
00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:58,612
for my future to not upset them.

732
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,115
[cars honking]

733
00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:03,325
One minute, I was Ghislaine's best friend,

734
00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:05,327
and the next minute,
I was her worst enemy.

735
00:45:05,411 --> 00:45:08,664
She was making me question myself

736
00:45:09,248 --> 00:45:13,419
so that she and Jeffrey
could use me for their purposes.

737
00:45:14,962 --> 00:45:18,590
But I knew what was happening
between us was not right.

738
00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:24,888
Every time I tried to get away from them,
they found me.

739
00:45:26,014 --> 00:45:28,434
I would change phone numbers,

740
00:45:29,309 --> 00:45:30,561
locations.

741
00:45:31,311 --> 00:45:35,107
There was nothing that I could do
to get away from them.

742
00:45:36,275 --> 00:45:38,527
So, there was a lot of fear,

743
00:45:39,153 --> 00:45:40,320
and they were connected

744
00:45:40,404 --> 00:45:42,823
to some of the most powerful people
in the world.

745
00:45:43,365 --> 00:45:47,202
I knew that if I told anyone,
my life was in danger.

746
00:45:50,789 --> 00:45:55,544
I think the pursuit of me was definitely
a game to Ghislaine and Jeffrey.

747
00:45:56,378 --> 00:45:59,173
And finally after three years
of harassment,

748
00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:02,259
Ghislaine and Jeffrey stopped pursuing me.

749
00:46:06,472 --> 00:46:09,516
[Rellie] Ghislaine was in love
with Jeffrey.

750
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,436
She was so spellbound by him.

751
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:17,024
And my impression was Ghislaine
would have done anything for... for Jeffrey.

752
00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:21,612
I always, like, thought it was
really weird that they never ended up,

753
00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:23,238
you know, getting married.

754
00:46:23,322 --> 00:46:25,073
I did think that was strange, like...

755
00:46:25,824 --> 00:46:28,577
You know, it's like,
"What is going on in this relationship?"

756
00:46:29,495 --> 00:46:33,415
[Rellie] But Ghislaine also played
this kind of hybrid role

757
00:46:33,499 --> 00:46:35,793
as social fixer,

758
00:46:35,876 --> 00:46:37,169
social secretary.

759
00:46:37,753 --> 00:46:40,088
And the notion was that they had dated,

760
00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:42,841
and sometime in the late '90s,
they stopped.

761
00:46:43,467 --> 00:46:45,344
But now they were best friends.

762
00:46:46,011 --> 00:46:50,724
The way that it felt
that she was doing the job of a wife

763
00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:54,728
without, you know, having
an intimate relationship with him anymore.

764
00:46:56,855 --> 00:46:59,983
[Wyatt] I think she was too old
for Jeffrey Epstein.

765
00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:02,694
He really liked much younger girls.

766
00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:06,949
But there was this bond between them,

767
00:47:07,032 --> 00:47:09,326
and she needed money.

768
00:47:09,409 --> 00:47:12,996
She couldn't feel secure
without Epstein's money.

769
00:47:13,872 --> 00:47:17,125
It felt that she was entrapped
in that whole thing.

770
00:47:17,209 --> 00:47:19,503
It was the price that she had to pay.

771
00:47:20,462 --> 00:47:23,006
She basically played a role of a madame.

772
00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:27,177
[somber music playing]

773
00:47:31,098 --> 00:47:33,100
[wind gusting]

774
00:47:34,893 --> 00:47:37,271
[Kogan] Ghislaine didn't only groom
underage girls.

775
00:47:37,354 --> 00:47:40,023
Many, many victims
were just barely the age of consent

776
00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:41,483
yet considered adults legally,

777
00:47:41,567 --> 00:47:44,778
so they can't testify
in Ghislaine's upcoming trial.

778
00:47:46,488 --> 00:47:48,407
A victim who is over the age of 21,

779
00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:51,493
they feel it's their responsibility,
and they made the decision.

780
00:47:51,577 --> 00:47:52,995
They blame themselves.

781
00:47:53,954 --> 00:47:56,957
And these women often have
a harder time coming forward to get help

782
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,709
or talk about what happened.

783
00:48:01,169 --> 00:48:03,505
[woman] It is the first time
I'm speaking out.

784
00:48:04,172 --> 00:48:05,507
I wanted to tell my story,

785
00:48:05,591 --> 00:48:10,345
but I'm just not ready
to completely expose myself.

786
00:48:10,429 --> 00:48:13,181
I have gone through therapy,

787
00:48:13,265 --> 00:48:18,353
and I wanted people to know
that it's okay to talk about it.

788
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:25,569
In my twenties,
I was a licensed massage therapist,

789
00:48:25,652 --> 00:48:29,865
and that's when
I first met Jeffrey and Ghislaine.

790
00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:35,454
Ghislaine asked me to do things
while I was massaging Jeffrey.

791
00:48:35,537 --> 00:48:40,125
And I said I didn't feel comfortable,

792
00:48:40,208 --> 00:48:44,713
and she's like, "Well, why wouldn't you?
It's... it's just part of the body."

793
00:48:45,297 --> 00:48:49,551
"This is what a man needs
in order to have a complete massage."

794
00:48:50,469 --> 00:48:53,639
And I just felt as though
I couldn't say no

795
00:48:54,306 --> 00:48:57,684
because I was abused when I was younger.

796
00:48:58,644 --> 00:49:01,647
So when the abuse started,

797
00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:04,399
I did exactly what I did
when I was a little girl.

798
00:49:04,483 --> 00:49:06,985
I just detached, and I became numb,

799
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:08,820
and I just did it.

800
00:49:09,404 --> 00:49:12,574
When you've been abused younger,

801
00:49:12,658 --> 00:49:17,579
you don't have the ability
to just say, "No."

802
00:49:20,207 --> 00:49:25,212
There were times when I was exposed
to someone other than Jeffrey.

803
00:49:25,712 --> 00:49:32,260
Some were CEOs and founders
of large, well-known brand companies.

804
00:49:32,344 --> 00:49:34,179
Some of them were politicians.

805
00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:36,556
And the expectations were

806
00:49:37,474 --> 00:49:41,144
do what you do for Jeffrey.

807
00:49:41,728 --> 00:49:45,649
Ghislaine got off on this.
She empowered herself with that.

808
00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:47,025
And she knew

809
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:53,740
that she was also going to make
these high-powered men happy.

810
00:49:53,824 --> 00:49:56,576
She was being validated.

811
00:49:57,703 --> 00:50:00,956
Felt as though
Ghislaine was worse than Jeffrey.

812
00:50:03,917 --> 00:50:08,130
One time, I was finished
giving Jeffrey a massage,

813
00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:13,301
and Ghislaine came in,
and I was not expecting her.

814
00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:15,762
She handed me the $200,

815
00:50:16,263 --> 00:50:20,434
and then she started
taking off my clothes.

816
00:50:21,143 --> 00:50:27,065
Then she proceeded to... start things

817
00:50:27,149 --> 00:50:29,443
I didn't want to happen.

818
00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:31,236
And...

819
00:50:33,238 --> 00:50:34,531
I was just numb.

820
00:50:34,614 --> 00:50:36,700
I didn't have any words. [voice breaks]

821
00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:39,536
And that's why...

822
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:44,166
That's why, when all of this came out,

823
00:50:44,249 --> 00:50:45,292
I remember,

824
00:50:46,084 --> 00:50:50,088
it's not so much Jeffrey
as it was Ghislaine

825
00:50:50,172 --> 00:50:53,175
because she was just the one
that was guiding it all

826
00:50:53,258 --> 00:50:54,634
and leading it all.

827
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:58,930
And I just kept on talking
to myself through this

828
00:51:00,474 --> 00:51:02,392
and holding back the tears.

829
00:51:03,602 --> 00:51:05,771
The whole thing just sucks.

830
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:11,026
[sobs, sniffles]

831
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:13,111
[somber music playing]

832
00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:20,577
Female abusers comprise about 5%
of the sexual crimes that are reported.

833
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:21,953
Um, so it's a low number.

834
00:51:23,163 --> 00:51:28,043
Ghislaine Maxwell doesn't necessarily
fit the mold of a female abuser.

835
00:51:28,126 --> 00:51:30,587
You know, class can cloud reality.

836
00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:35,634
So, somebody who looks like Ghislaine,
well-dressed, beautifully put-together,

837
00:51:35,717 --> 00:51:41,056
it will give more victims the opportunity
to relax and let their guard down.

838
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,809
This one is good. That's ready.

839
00:51:43,892 --> 00:51:46,603
So, it was very easy for Ghislaine,

840
00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:49,064
because of how she presents herself,

841
00:51:49,147 --> 00:51:55,028
to take advantage of these victims
and groom them so successfully.

842
00:51:56,613 --> 00:51:59,324
Based on the survivors that I treat

843
00:51:59,407 --> 00:52:02,035
and with everything
that I have read about Ghislaine,

844
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:06,498
Ghislaine exhibits characteristics
of that of a psychopath.

845
00:52:07,082 --> 00:52:10,919
Characteristics like inability
to maintain healthy relationships,

846
00:52:11,002 --> 00:52:14,756
uh, manipulation, deception, bullying.

847
00:52:15,465 --> 00:52:17,759
She also exhibits signs of a narcissist.

848
00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:19,427
That sense of entitlement,

849
00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:23,723
the sense of, "I want power
and control at any cost."

850
00:52:28,895 --> 00:52:32,065
[reporter] <i>A judge has denied bail
for Ghislaine Maxwell</i>

851
00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:34,943
<i>with the concern
that she is a flight risk.</i>

852
00:52:35,026 --> 00:52:37,612
<i>The judge in Maxwell's case
recently determined</i>

853
00:52:37,696 --> 00:52:40,532
<i>that Maxwell still has
international connections,</i>

854
00:52:40,615 --> 00:52:43,660
<i>funding, and experience evading detection.</i>

855
00:52:44,619 --> 00:52:46,454
[McCawley] Six times thus far,

856
00:52:46,538 --> 00:52:49,291
bail has been denied
in Ghislaine Maxwell's case.

857
00:52:49,374 --> 00:52:52,335
And the basis for that
is a number of things.

858
00:52:52,419 --> 00:52:55,338
She is charged with crimes against minors,

859
00:52:55,422 --> 00:52:59,551
and that does have a much higher
standard with respect to getting bail.

860
00:53:00,385 --> 00:53:03,513
[Briquelet] In the eyes of the public,
Ghislaine is a monster.

861
00:53:03,597 --> 00:53:07,392
And so, Ghislaine's family
needed a way to counteract this narrative.

862
00:53:07,976 --> 00:53:11,521
And they built a website
called Realghislaine.com.

863
00:53:12,814 --> 00:53:16,776
Imagine yourself arrested
and imprisoned in solitary confinement,

864
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,321
deprived of bail for nine months.

865
00:53:19,404 --> 00:53:21,948
Whatever your feelings
about the allegations,

866
00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:24,743
she's entitled to a fair trial,

867
00:53:24,826 --> 00:53:27,787
to due process
and to the presumption of innocence.

868
00:53:28,663 --> 00:53:32,167
My brothers and sisters and I
will never stop fighting for Ghislaine.

869
00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:37,672
[Boies] We've got what looks like
a new development.

870
00:53:37,756 --> 00:53:39,549
Uh, you may have seen this already.

871
00:53:39,633 --> 00:53:43,303
Maxwell's lawyers are asking
for all of our files.

872
00:53:43,386 --> 00:53:45,805
A lot of discovery that
they're not ever entitled to get.

873
00:53:45,889 --> 00:53:47,140
It looks incredibly broad.

874
00:53:47,224 --> 00:53:48,934
I mean, they're seeking all of our files

875
00:53:49,017 --> 00:53:51,144
for all of the victims
that we ever represented.

876
00:53:51,228 --> 00:53:53,772
That would be, you know,
giving over records

877
00:53:53,855 --> 00:53:56,274
of individuals
who weren't even ever public.

878
00:53:56,358 --> 00:53:59,527
[Boies] They don't have a right
to pore through our files

879
00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:02,906
and just see what they can find
to embarrass some of our clients.

880
00:54:02,989 --> 00:54:04,407
It's a fishing expedition.

881
00:54:04,491 --> 00:54:06,576
They don't know
whether there's anything there.

882
00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:10,455
They just figure the more stuff they get,
maybe they'll find something they can use.

883
00:54:10,538 --> 00:54:12,832
And I... And I...
And I think to some extent,

884
00:54:12,916 --> 00:54:15,877
it... it shows the Court
how desperate they are.

885
00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:18,588
[pensive music playing]

886
00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:23,134
[Annie Farmer]
I hope that Maxwell is held accountable

887
00:54:23,218 --> 00:54:26,680
and that she sees jail time
for what she's done.

888
00:54:26,763 --> 00:54:32,018
But we know that she has a history
of evading, uh... evading justice.

889
00:54:33,186 --> 00:54:38,817
[man] Annie first told me
about Epstein and Maxwell in 2004.

890
00:54:39,317 --> 00:54:41,695
So Epstein and Maxwell have...

891
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,657
have been a big part
of our lives for years.

892
00:54:46,741 --> 00:54:49,244
I've been married to Annie for 14 years.

893
00:54:49,911 --> 00:54:54,124
We met 18 years ago in Bethel, Alaska,

894
00:54:54,624 --> 00:54:57,127
where she was a children's advocate.

895
00:54:57,919 --> 00:55:00,672
And it took me, kind of, years
to... to get to a... a point

896
00:55:00,755 --> 00:55:04,217
where I kind of understand
how best to support Annie.

897
00:55:05,468 --> 00:55:08,221
I'm definitely nervous. As it gets closer,

898
00:55:08,305 --> 00:55:10,015
I'm a little more nervous.

899
00:55:10,098 --> 00:55:11,641
I did talk to Sigrid,

900
00:55:11,725 --> 00:55:14,060
and I think we're gonna have
a conversation

901
00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:16,271
with the government attorneys
sometime soon.

902
00:55:16,354 --> 00:55:18,356
It's hard not to feel some pressure

903
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:23,611
just 'cause I know so many people,
uh, want to see justice.

904
00:55:24,195 --> 00:55:26,781
Is there any, like, feedback
they've given you

905
00:55:26,865 --> 00:55:30,368
or... or, like, advice
in terms of being on the stand?

906
00:55:30,452 --> 00:55:33,621
I think mostly to slow down.

907
00:55:33,705 --> 00:55:35,790
Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

908
00:55:35,874 --> 00:55:39,044
And just to really listen to the questions

909
00:55:39,127 --> 00:55:41,796
because... especially
during cross-examination, right?

910
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:47,010
They try and confuse you or ask you things
that, um... you know, might throw you off.

911
00:55:47,093 --> 00:55:51,222
I want to do as good a job as I can
in telling my story clearly

912
00:55:51,306 --> 00:55:53,725
so that the jury understands

913
00:55:53,808 --> 00:55:57,937
this predatory behavior
and that she's held accountable.

914
00:55:58,772 --> 00:55:59,981
I think you'll do great.

915
00:56:02,817 --> 00:56:04,819
[somber music playing]

916
00:56:06,154 --> 00:56:08,073
[foreboding music playing]

917
00:56:09,616 --> 00:56:11,576
[seagulls squawking]

918
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:15,872
[Edwards] Jeffrey Epstein
had a very precise system

919
00:56:15,955 --> 00:56:19,334
for grooming and abusing young girls,

920
00:56:19,417 --> 00:56:23,129
and that was a system that was established

921
00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:24,923
through Ghislaine Maxwell.

922
00:56:25,757 --> 00:56:28,968
And for a time period in Florida,

923
00:56:29,052 --> 00:56:31,930
Ghislaine was able
to introduce Jeffrey Epstein

924
00:56:32,430 --> 00:56:34,015
to young females,

925
00:56:34,516 --> 00:56:39,104
and these people
start being abused by Jeffrey Epstein,

926
00:56:39,187 --> 00:56:41,439
and the pyramid begins.

927
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:45,193
Those females were instructed
to go get other females,

928
00:56:45,276 --> 00:56:50,073
and it began growing
into this sex-trafficking operation.

929
00:56:51,991 --> 00:56:53,660
[Palmeri] Starting in the early 2000s,

930
00:56:53,743 --> 00:56:57,080
the local police in Palm Beach
became aware of Jeffrey Epstein.

931
00:56:57,664 --> 00:56:59,374
There was suspicious activity.

932
00:56:59,457 --> 00:57:02,460
There were young girls in taxis,

933
00:57:02,544 --> 00:57:07,382
crossing the bridge from West Palm Beach
to the very wealthy Palm Beach.

934
00:57:08,466 --> 00:57:13,054
He had actually created
a sex-trafficking pyramid scheme

935
00:57:13,138 --> 00:57:15,974
in a local high school,
and it was starting to get out.

936
00:57:17,183 --> 00:57:19,583
[reporter 1] A New York billionaire
with a home in Palm Beach

937
00:57:19,644 --> 00:57:21,020
is at the center of a scandal.

938
00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:23,022
He's charged with soliciting a prostitute.

939
00:57:23,106 --> 00:57:26,317
[reporter 2] <i>The voluminous
22-page probable-cause affidavit</i>

940
00:57:26,401 --> 00:57:29,070
<i>details in graphic language
alleged sexual encounters</i>

941
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,449
<i>between billionaire Jeffrey Epstein
and several under-18 girls</i>

942
00:57:32,532 --> 00:57:36,494
<i>at his seven-million-dollar
358 El Brillo Way home in Palm Beach.</i>

943
00:57:37,328 --> 00:57:38,928
[Boies] When Epstein was first arrested,

944
00:57:39,539 --> 00:57:44,085
it's hard to know why Maxwell
was not arrested at the same time.

945
00:57:45,003 --> 00:57:48,756
[Edwards]
One of the detectives that I deposed

946
00:57:49,257 --> 00:57:53,094
testified that he attempted

947
00:57:53,178 --> 00:57:56,097
to contact and interview Ghislaine Maxwell

948
00:57:56,181 --> 00:57:58,057
and got no cooperation.

949
00:57:58,975 --> 00:58:01,936
[McCawley] But her name
is listed in the police materials.

950
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:04,314
She's on bank accounts
with that house in Florida.

951
00:58:04,397 --> 00:58:07,192
She's in message pads,
going back and forth

952
00:58:07,275 --> 00:58:10,528
showing that she's at the location,
even though she says she wasn't.

953
00:58:10,612 --> 00:58:13,373
And that's why investigators
were interested in trying to talk to her.

954
00:58:13,948 --> 00:58:16,284
How she evaded it is another story.

955
00:58:18,703 --> 00:58:22,373
[Boies] Epstein himself got
essentially a slap on the wrist.

956
00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:25,502
He spent only a year in jail.

957
00:58:26,002 --> 00:58:30,465
This was one of the worst miscarriages
of justice that I've seen.

958
00:58:31,049 --> 00:58:33,176
[reporter 3]
A secret non-prosecution agreement

959
00:58:33,259 --> 00:58:36,763
kept Epstein and his coconspirators
from being charged

960
00:58:36,846 --> 00:58:39,766
with federal sex crimes
in the Southern District of Florida.

961
00:58:40,266 --> 00:58:43,353
[McCawley] And that's the story here
that we've seen go on for so long

962
00:58:43,436 --> 00:58:44,729
of power and privilege.

963
00:58:44,812 --> 00:58:48,900
That the powerful and the privileged
were able to avoid being held accountable

964
00:58:48,983 --> 00:58:50,068
in this circumstance.

965
00:58:50,985 --> 00:58:54,113
[Edwards] The person Jeffrey Epstein
wanted to protect the most

966
00:58:54,197 --> 00:58:56,115
was Ghislaine Maxwell.

967
00:58:56,199 --> 00:59:00,828
He had to know that
if Ghislaine Maxwell ever flipped on him,

968
00:59:00,912 --> 00:59:01,912
then he was cooked.

969
00:59:02,622 --> 00:59:05,083
She essentially stopped coming to Florida

970
00:59:05,166 --> 00:59:11,422
and began to create significant buffers
between her and Epstein.

971
00:59:11,506 --> 00:59:14,092
But we know that
there was still a relationship

972
00:59:14,175 --> 00:59:16,261
between Ghislaine and Jeffrey

973
00:59:16,344 --> 00:59:19,931
because we have pictures of them
in 2006 and 2007.

974
00:59:22,267 --> 00:59:26,813
I was 22 years old
when I first met Ghislaine in 2006.

975
00:59:27,689 --> 00:59:33,069
These are the photos that were taken
during the time that Ghislaine had said

976
00:59:33,152 --> 00:59:35,405
that she was slowly phasing out
of Jeffrey's life.

977
00:59:35,488 --> 00:59:38,950
And my photos clearly indicate

978
00:59:39,033 --> 00:59:41,869
that that was not the case.

979
00:59:41,953 --> 00:59:44,831
Ghislaine was very much
a part of Jeffrey's life.

980
00:59:46,708 --> 00:59:49,794
Ghislaine was always on her phone,
always organizing.

981
00:59:50,336 --> 00:59:53,756
At this stage,
Ghislaine didn't need to go on the prowl

982
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,675
for new victims for Jeffrey,

983
00:59:56,175 --> 01:00:00,513
because Ghislaine effectively started
training and recruiting other girls,

984
01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:03,141
and then they would train
and recruit other girls.

985
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:08,021
I was in a nightclub

986
01:00:08,104 --> 01:00:13,526
when I was targeted
and befriended by a girl my age.

987
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:18,489
A couple days later,
my new friend invited me to join her

988
01:00:18,573 --> 01:00:21,784
and another group of girls
to go to the Virgin Islands.

989
01:00:22,452 --> 01:00:26,456
And the island was owned
by Jeffrey Epstein.

990
01:00:28,041 --> 01:00:30,752
I remember Ghislaine
getting off the helicopter,

991
01:00:30,835 --> 01:00:33,630
and I said to her, "Hi, I'm... I'm Sarah."

992
01:00:33,713 --> 01:00:37,675
And she looked me up and down
as if I was invisible,

993
01:00:38,926 --> 01:00:40,803
as if I didn't even exist.

994
01:00:42,972 --> 01:00:46,017
I had been on the island for a few days.

995
01:00:47,018 --> 01:00:48,645
I was sitting on the patio,

996
01:00:48,728 --> 01:00:53,066
and Ghislaine marched over
and grabbed my arm

997
01:00:53,608 --> 01:00:57,612
and forced me into Jeffrey's room,

998
01:00:57,695 --> 01:00:58,863
where I was raped.

999
01:01:00,990 --> 01:01:05,078
She knew exactly
what was going to happen to me.

1000
01:01:05,161 --> 01:01:09,499
She is as guilty as Jeffrey, if not more.

1001
01:01:12,085 --> 01:01:16,339
So many young girls were abused
during that period of time.

1002
01:01:17,632 --> 01:01:20,927
There was an arrogance there.
They just thought they were above the law.

1003
01:01:21,010 --> 01:01:23,805
They'd gotten away with it so long,
for years and years,

1004
01:01:23,888 --> 01:01:27,266
hiding in plain sight
the sex trafficking that was going on.

1005
01:01:28,476 --> 01:01:32,689
[Palmeri] But life changes dramatically
for Ghislaine Maxwell in 2011,

1006
01:01:32,772 --> 01:01:35,525
when an underaged victim
named Virginia Roberts

1007
01:01:35,608 --> 01:01:38,820
decides to come out publicly
and name Ghislaine Maxwell

1008
01:01:38,903 --> 01:01:40,530
as Epstein's partner in crime.

1009
01:01:40,613 --> 01:01:42,240
[tense music playing]

1010
01:01:42,323 --> 01:01:44,701
[McCawley]
In 2000, my client, Virginia Giuffre,

1011
01:01:44,784 --> 01:01:48,454
was recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell
at Trump's Mar-a-Lago

1012
01:01:48,538 --> 01:01:52,208
and brought to Jeffrey Epstein
for purposes of sexual abuse.

1013
01:01:53,084 --> 01:01:54,919
And in 2001,

1014
01:01:55,002 --> 01:01:59,132
Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein
flew Virginia over to London,

1015
01:01:59,215 --> 01:02:02,635
and they introduced her
to Ghislaine Maxwell's good friend,

1016
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:03,720
Prince Andrew.

1017
01:02:03,803 --> 01:02:05,483
[reporter 1] <i>I wanna begin
with the scandal</i>

1018
01:02:05,555 --> 01:02:07,140
<i>that has the Royal Family in an uproar,</i>

1019
01:02:07,223 --> 01:02:11,352
<i>allegations that Prince Andrew
had sex with an underage girl.</i>

1020
01:02:11,978 --> 01:02:14,897
[McCawley] There is a photograph
that has been widely circulated,

1021
01:02:14,981 --> 01:02:16,983
that was taken of her and Prince Andrew.

1022
01:02:17,066 --> 01:02:19,193
And you can see her standing
with Prince Andrew

1023
01:02:19,277 --> 01:02:21,279
and then Ghislaine Maxwell
in the background.

1024
01:02:21,362 --> 01:02:24,699
And that's when the focus
also shifted to Ghislaine Maxwell.

1025
01:02:26,784 --> 01:02:30,079
[reporter 2] Can I ask you about all the
allegations that have come out, Ghislaine?

1026
01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:31,247
Happy New Year.

1027
01:02:31,330 --> 01:02:33,916
[reporter 2] Can...
Obviously, they're very damning,

1028
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,626
involving British royalty.

1029
01:02:36,627 --> 01:02:38,254
Have you got no comment at all?

1030
01:02:38,337 --> 01:02:40,417
[Ghislaine Maxwell]
I've made a statement, thank you.

1031
01:02:40,965 --> 01:02:42,341
[reporter 2] Do you know Virginia?

1032
01:02:44,343 --> 01:02:46,763
Can you at least say
if she's been in your house?

1033
01:02:50,516 --> 01:02:53,102
[Rellie] Ghislaine's reputation
was in tatters.

1034
01:02:53,853 --> 01:02:55,438
She was a broken woman,

1035
01:02:56,230 --> 01:03:01,819
and she seemed to be desperately trying
to repair her reputation.

1036
01:03:02,403 --> 01:03:03,529
[car honking]

1037
01:03:04,530 --> 01:03:07,742
[Mason] She invited me over
to her townhouse on the Upper East Side.

1038
01:03:07,825 --> 01:03:12,246
And she was talking
in this very fevered, passionate way

1039
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:14,290
about saving the world's oceans.

1040
01:03:14,373 --> 01:03:17,293
[audience applauding]

1041
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,632
I'm passionate about the ocean,

1042
01:03:22,715 --> 01:03:25,510
the deep sea,
and the wild animals that live there.

1043
01:03:25,593 --> 01:03:28,304
The ocean is essential to life on Earth,

1044
01:03:28,387 --> 01:03:31,808
yet despite the ocean's importance to us,

1045
01:03:31,891 --> 01:03:34,018
we know so little about it.

1046
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,105
In 2012, I founded the TerraMar Project.

1047
01:03:39,816 --> 01:03:42,819
[Mason]
So this was a new topic for Ghislaine.

1048
01:03:42,902 --> 01:03:45,822
TerraMar was her great cause.

1049
01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:50,076
This was something she was doing
for the planet, for humanity.

1050
01:03:51,202 --> 01:03:53,788
[Palmeri] So while Ghislaine
was still welcome in high society,

1051
01:03:53,871 --> 01:03:55,456
and she had her charities,

1052
01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:58,209
and she's speaking on these panels
about saving the ocean,

1053
01:03:58,876 --> 01:04:03,130
she appears to be repairing her image.

1054
01:04:03,214 --> 01:04:06,425
Your Excellencies, presidents,
lords, ladies, and gentlemen, um,

1055
01:04:06,926 --> 01:04:10,054
I just would like to thank you so much.
It's such an honor to be here.

1056
01:04:11,013 --> 01:04:16,811
TerraMar was linking herself to a cause
that was much greater than herself.

1057
01:04:16,894 --> 01:04:20,314
It seemed a whole lot more respectable

1058
01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:23,025
than being the former girlfriend
of Jeffrey Epstein.

1059
01:04:23,901 --> 01:04:25,903
[wind gusting]

1060
01:04:30,491 --> 01:04:33,578
[man] I met Ghislaine Maxwell
at a conference.

1061
01:04:33,661 --> 01:04:36,122
Uh, it was at Kiawah Island,

1062
01:04:36,205 --> 01:04:38,499
outside Charleston, South Carolina,

1063
01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:42,003
in February 2014.

1064
01:04:43,004 --> 01:04:45,006
She was very elegant, very put-together.

1065
01:04:45,089 --> 01:04:46,674
She was very confident.

1066
01:04:46,757 --> 01:04:48,676
She just told me all about TerraMar.

1067
01:04:48,759 --> 01:04:52,471
And everything she said, to me,
was completely convincing.

1068
01:04:53,431 --> 01:04:56,809
I'm a media producer, uh,
and a marketing professional.

1069
01:04:56,893 --> 01:05:01,522
And Ghislaine floated this idea,
like, "We really need a one-minute promo

1070
01:05:01,606 --> 01:05:03,858
to get people to sign this pledge
to save the ocean."

1071
01:05:04,817 --> 01:05:08,195
I was like, "Just shoot something,
like, while I'm here."

1072
01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:13,451
So, after we had come up
with the idea for her one-minute promo,

1073
01:05:13,534 --> 01:05:15,661
we're like, "Great.
Let's go have a drink."

1074
01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:17,580
Now, we're at the hotel bar.

1075
01:05:18,372 --> 01:05:20,416
That's when things got a little weird.

1076
01:05:23,294 --> 01:05:25,796
I think I said, you know,
"What are you wearing tomorrow

1077
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,175
when we shoot you
down by the beach for this promo?"

1078
01:05:29,258 --> 01:05:33,054
And she said, "Well, I've got my TerraMar
T-shirt that I'm presenting in.

1079
01:05:33,137 --> 01:05:35,890
You know, like, 'I heart the ocean.'"
I was like, "That's perfect."

1080
01:05:36,515 --> 01:05:37,675
And then she goes... [laughs]

1081
01:05:38,267 --> 01:05:41,395
..."You know, you should see me
in my full-length leather outfit,

1082
01:05:41,479 --> 01:05:42,897
you know, with my weapons."

1083
01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:47,610
And I just kind of dumbly stared at her,
like, "What is she talking about?"

1084
01:05:48,903 --> 01:05:53,783
She had an incredibly electric,
sexual energy about her.

1085
01:05:55,534 --> 01:05:59,664
She turned to me, and she said, uh,
"You know Lara Croft from <i>Tomb Raider?"</i>

1086
01:05:59,747 --> 01:06:01,624
She's like,
"Well, I'm the real-life version."

1087
01:06:01,707 --> 01:06:03,334
And then she gave me this look, right?

1088
01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:05,753
I was really taken aback.

1089
01:06:06,712 --> 01:06:10,549
There was something just a little... creepy.

1090
01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:12,593
Something just a little off.

1091
01:06:14,095 --> 01:06:16,097
[indistinct chatter]

1092
01:06:21,435 --> 01:06:23,688
So we met in the lobby the next morning.

1093
01:06:23,771 --> 01:06:25,648
And she was wearing stilettos, right?

1094
01:06:25,731 --> 01:06:27,900
She's wearing stiletto heels.

1095
01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:32,405
And I don't know what she thought
about us shooting down on a beach

1096
01:06:32,488 --> 01:06:37,368
or what it was gonna be, but she ended up,
like, walking down to the ocean and back

1097
01:06:37,994 --> 01:06:39,328
in these stiletto heels.

1098
01:06:40,579 --> 01:06:43,916
I was trying to have a vision of,
like, "Show me your love of the ocean."

1099
01:06:44,709 --> 01:06:45,918
Show your love.

1100
01:06:46,002 --> 01:06:47,420
Sign the pledge.

1101
01:06:47,503 --> 01:06:48,503
Thank you.

1102
01:06:49,296 --> 01:06:50,840
- Again?
- [Hons] Let's do three.

1103
01:06:50,923 --> 01:06:52,675
- There's a rule of threes.
- All right.

1104
01:06:52,758 --> 01:06:56,345
Show your love.
Sign the pledge. Thank you.

1105
01:06:56,887 --> 01:06:59,348
[Hons] But it ended up kind of absurd.

1106
01:06:59,432 --> 01:07:01,684
There was almost like a glamour shoot.

1107
01:07:01,767 --> 01:07:03,769
[camera shutter clicking]

1108
01:07:08,941 --> 01:07:11,902
The irony of her trying
to reinvent herself with the ocean

1109
01:07:11,986 --> 01:07:13,571
and then just being the same...

1110
01:07:15,156 --> 01:07:16,240
the same person.

1111
01:07:16,824 --> 01:07:19,744
You know, none of us can run away
from ourselves, you know?

1112
01:07:19,827 --> 01:07:21,954
None of us can run away from our past.

1113
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:25,041
None of us can run away from our actions.

1114
01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:32,048
[foreboding music playing]

1115
01:07:39,805 --> 01:07:42,016
[reporter 1]
Victims of sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein

1116
01:07:42,099 --> 01:07:44,018
are finally getting their day in court.

1117
01:07:44,101 --> 01:07:47,104
Opening statements in a trial
that is expected to last six weeks

1118
01:07:47,188 --> 01:07:48,272
begins today.

1119
01:07:49,023 --> 01:07:54,153
And it is one of the most eagerly
anticipated criminal trials in years.

1120
01:07:57,448 --> 01:07:59,033
[Sternheim] Morning, everybody.

1121
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:01,744
It's gonna be a great day.

1122
01:08:03,788 --> 01:08:05,956
[male protester]
We, the people, deserve to know.

1123
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,585
We deserve honest
and fair and ample coverage

1124
01:08:09,668 --> 01:08:11,921
of the trial of the century.

1125
01:08:12,004 --> 01:08:14,507
[woman reporting in Italian]

1126
01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:17,468
[Briquelet] This is a case
that has international attention.

1127
01:08:17,551 --> 01:08:19,970
[reporting in French]

1128
01:08:20,054 --> 01:08:22,139
[reporting in Danish]

1129
01:08:22,223 --> 01:08:24,517
People all over the world
are going to be watching.

1130
01:08:27,394 --> 01:08:30,564
[Ransome] I hardly slept a wink
last night. I was up every hour.

1131
01:08:31,690 --> 01:08:33,859
It was important for me to be here,

1132
01:08:33,943 --> 01:08:38,948
to show solidarity
to the survivors that are testifying.

1133
01:08:39,448 --> 01:08:42,368
They are so brave and courageous,

1134
01:08:42,451 --> 01:08:45,663
and they are standing in their truth,
and they are not backing down.

1135
01:08:47,581 --> 01:08:51,252
[reporter 2] If she's convicted
of all six charges leveled against her,

1136
01:08:51,335 --> 01:08:54,797
she'll likely die in an American prison.

1137
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,509
So it's an incredibly high-stakes trial
clearly for Ghislaine Maxwell.

1138
01:08:59,176 --> 01:09:02,263
[Mason] It has been one hell of a saga,
leading up to this moment.

1139
01:09:02,763 --> 01:09:05,266
The charges seem so utterly devastating.

1140
01:09:07,601 --> 01:09:09,603
[reporters clamoring]

1141
01:09:14,191 --> 01:09:16,193
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
<i>Ladies and gentlemen,</i>

1142
01:09:16,277 --> 01:09:17,695
<i>members of the jury,</i>

1143
01:09:19,530 --> 01:09:21,240
<i>during the course of the trial,</i>

1144
01:09:21,323 --> 01:09:24,285
<i>you will learn
that the defendant and Epstein</i>

1145
01:09:24,368 --> 01:09:28,330
<i>lured their victims
with the promise of a brighter future,</i>

1146
01:09:28,414 --> 01:09:31,167
<i>only to sexually exploit them</i>

1147
01:09:31,250 --> 01:09:33,294
<i>and forever change their lives.</i>

1148
01:09:34,837 --> 01:09:37,798
<i>She knew exactly what she was doing.</i>

1149
01:09:37,882 --> 01:09:39,717
<i>She was dangerous.</i>

1150
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,679
<i>She was setting young girls up
to be molested by a predator.</i>

1151
01:09:47,683 --> 01:09:50,811
[voice actor for Sternheim] <i>Ever since Eve
was tempting Adam with the apple,</i>

1152
01:09:50,895 --> 01:09:54,064
<i>women have been blamed
for the bad behavior of men.</i>

1153
01:09:55,316 --> 01:09:59,653
<i>The charges against Ghislaine Maxwell
are for things that Jeffrey Epstein did.</i>

1154
01:09:59,737 --> 01:10:01,864
<i>But she is not Jeffrey Epstein.</i>

1155
01:10:01,947 --> 01:10:03,991
<i>She is not like Jeffrey Epstein.</i>

1156
01:10:06,368 --> 01:10:07,786
[McCawley] In opening statements,

1157
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:10,873
the defense lawyers
used biblical references,

1158
01:10:10,956 --> 01:10:12,917
talking about Adam and Eve

1159
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,544
and trying to paint
Ghislaine Maxwell as a scapegoat

1160
01:10:15,628 --> 01:10:16,670
because she's a woman.

1161
01:10:16,754 --> 01:10:19,006
That was really offensive to hear,

1162
01:10:19,673 --> 01:10:23,427
trying to allow Ghislaine Maxwell a pass
because she's a woman

1163
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:25,638
was really something below the belt.

1164
01:10:26,931 --> 01:10:28,891
[reporter 1] <i>An accuser
of Ghislaine Maxwell,</i>

1165
01:10:28,974 --> 01:10:31,977
<i>a woman known as "Jane,"
began testifying today.</i>

1166
01:10:33,103 --> 01:10:34,939
[Edwards] Jane was chosen

1167
01:10:35,022 --> 01:10:38,150
as one of the testifying victims
for many reasons.

1168
01:10:38,234 --> 01:10:39,902
She was extraordinarily young

1169
01:10:39,985 --> 01:10:42,780
when she was recruited
by Ghislaine Maxwell.

1170
01:10:42,863 --> 01:10:46,325
There was direct abuse, not just grooming,

1171
01:10:46,408 --> 01:10:49,662
but direct abuse by Ghislaine Maxwell.

1172
01:10:50,955 --> 01:10:53,707
[reporter 2] <i>Jane claiming
her first sexual contact with Epstein</i>

1173
01:10:53,791 --> 01:10:58,504
<i>was at his Palm Beach house in 1994,
when she was just 14.</i>

1174
01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:01,131
[McCawley]
Her story was really hard to hear,

1175
01:11:01,215 --> 01:11:04,843
'cause it included multiple offenses
over many years,

1176
01:11:04,927 --> 01:11:08,055
with not only Ghislaine Maxwell
but with others.

1177
01:11:08,138 --> 01:11:10,140
[unsettling music playing]

1178
01:11:16,188 --> 01:11:18,983
And then, the defense was relentless
in their attack of her,

1179
01:11:19,066 --> 01:11:21,694
because her background
is that she is an actress,

1180
01:11:21,777 --> 01:11:24,488
and so they tried to use that against her.

1181
01:11:25,614 --> 01:11:27,895
[voice actor for Menninger]
<i>You're able to cry on command?</i>

1182
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:30,077
[voice actor for "Jane"] <i>No, not always.</i>

1183
01:11:30,577 --> 01:11:32,579
<i>It's not really how it works.</i>

1184
01:11:32,663 --> 01:11:34,766
[voice actor for Menninger]
<i>Are you acting here today?</i>

1185
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:35,910
[voice actor for "Jane"] <i>No.</i>

1186
01:11:36,542 --> 01:11:41,463
[McCawley] The defense's strategy
is memory, manipulation, and money.

1187
01:11:42,089 --> 01:11:46,719
They're trying to say that these witnesses
are only trying to manipulate people

1188
01:11:46,802 --> 01:11:48,012
and are after money,

1189
01:11:48,095 --> 01:11:50,347
and they really pressed
some of the details.

1190
01:11:51,557 --> 01:11:53,058
[Edwards] When Jeffrey Epstein died,

1191
01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:56,478
there was a victim compensation
program set up.

1192
01:11:57,521 --> 01:12:01,734
During the testimony, it was revealed
for the first time publicly

1193
01:12:02,234 --> 01:12:05,487
that some of the determinations
through the program

1194
01:12:05,571 --> 01:12:09,158
were in the millions of dollars
for victims.

1195
01:12:10,242 --> 01:12:12,842
[voice actor for Menninger]
<i>How much money did the fund award you?</i>

1196
01:12:13,746 --> 01:12:15,266
[voice actor for "Jane"] <i>Five million.</i>

1197
01:12:17,082 --> 01:12:18,625
[cars honking]

1198
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:20,919
[reporters clamoring]

1199
01:12:23,380 --> 01:12:24,548
[cameras clicking]

1200
01:12:28,177 --> 01:12:30,304
[Ransome] The defense
made me really angry.

1201
01:12:30,846 --> 01:12:33,891
I found the defense, uh,
incredibly victim-shaming,

1202
01:12:33,974 --> 01:12:36,226
and I think we're in the era

1203
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:41,482
where victim-shaming
and victim-blaming really needs to stop.

1204
01:12:45,277 --> 01:12:47,237
[Mason] It's kind of a night and day,

1205
01:12:47,321 --> 01:12:49,656
or in this case
"day and night" difference,

1206
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:54,370
because in the morning, I've...
I entered the courtroom pretty convinced

1207
01:12:54,453 --> 01:12:57,122
that she was going away
for a long, long time.

1208
01:12:58,165 --> 01:13:00,667
But when the defense began,

1209
01:13:00,751 --> 01:13:03,087
I have to say I was astonished.

1210
01:13:03,670 --> 01:13:06,548
Trying to imagine
how the jury was reacting

1211
01:13:06,632 --> 01:13:10,552
to hearing these... huge amounts of money.

1212
01:13:10,636 --> 01:13:14,765
It has to be feeling like sunshine
for Ghislaine Maxwell at this point.

1213
01:13:16,433 --> 01:13:18,727
[man] Hey, guys.
Move out of his way, please.

1214
01:13:19,895 --> 01:13:24,024
I am very pleased to have attended,
uh, today in court, in person,

1215
01:13:24,108 --> 01:13:25,275
together with Isabel,

1216
01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:28,445
and in support of our sister, Ghislaine.

1217
01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:30,948
Um, on a personal note,

1218
01:13:31,031 --> 01:13:34,993
it was a tremen... gave me
a tremendous sense of relief,

1219
01:13:35,536 --> 01:13:37,079
uh, to be close to her,

1220
01:13:37,663 --> 01:13:40,624
uh, to be able
to actually see her in the flesh.

1221
01:13:41,291 --> 01:13:43,043
Uh, even to be able to speak with her.

1222
01:13:43,127 --> 01:13:46,755
And that's the first time
that I've spoken to her personally

1223
01:13:47,256 --> 01:13:49,675
in over 500 days,

1224
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:53,512
uh, since her pretrial detention started.

1225
01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:55,639
[reporter 1] How is Ghislaine
holding up, Kevin?

1226
01:13:55,722 --> 01:13:57,349
[reporter 2] What did she say to you?

1227
01:13:59,184 --> 01:14:01,562
I understand why
her brothers can't recognize

1228
01:14:01,645 --> 01:14:03,981
that something evil ever happened.

1229
01:14:04,064 --> 01:14:06,191
How could you recognize
something like that?

1230
01:14:06,275 --> 01:14:09,445
And I think you have to protect your own,
especially your own family.

1231
01:14:10,612 --> 01:14:14,324
It's not that you want to find excuses
for the evil that people have done,

1232
01:14:14,408 --> 01:14:17,035
but you try to understand
where they come from.

1233
01:14:24,168 --> 01:14:26,170
[foreboding music playing]

1234
01:14:29,381 --> 01:14:32,759
[male narrator] <i>Once upon a Christmastime,
in a big house on a hill,</i>

1235
01:14:32,843 --> 01:14:36,263
<i>there lived a man,
his wife, and their eight children.</i>

1236
01:14:36,346 --> 01:14:39,183
When Father Christmas came last year,

1237
01:14:39,266 --> 01:14:41,101
I was fast asleep, and he put...

1238
01:14:41,185 --> 01:14:43,687
I took my daddy's stocking away
from his bedroom,

1239
01:14:43,770 --> 01:14:46,190
then I hung it up on my bed,

1240
01:14:46,273 --> 01:14:51,320
then Father Christmas put some toys
in my daddy's... in my daddy's stocking.

1241
01:14:53,197 --> 01:14:56,033
[Palmeri] A really big part of the image
of Robert Maxwell

1242
01:14:56,116 --> 01:14:58,202
was that he had the perfect family.

1243
01:14:58,911 --> 01:15:01,079
[indistinct chatter]

1244
01:15:01,997 --> 01:15:04,124
But no one really knew
that behind closed doors,

1245
01:15:04,208 --> 01:15:05,959
it was actually very dysfunctional.

1246
01:15:07,377 --> 01:15:09,213
[man 1] His wife, Betty, told me

1247
01:15:09,296 --> 01:15:13,842
that the children had to stand up
at the dinner table

1248
01:15:13,926 --> 01:15:18,889
and tell their father what they'd done
during the course of that year

1249
01:15:18,972 --> 01:15:21,099
and what they were hoping to achieve.

1250
01:15:21,183 --> 01:15:24,895
And then if he didn't like something
that somebody had said,

1251
01:15:24,978 --> 01:15:27,147
he'd whip them with a belt.

1252
01:15:28,315 --> 01:15:33,070
And then, after giving them
a good sound bashing with the belt,

1253
01:15:33,612 --> 01:15:38,492
they had to write a letter
to their father of apology.

1254
01:15:40,035 --> 01:15:44,581
[man 2] I remember well... I met Ghislaine
for the first time in September 1984.

1255
01:15:45,082 --> 01:15:47,000
She was about 22 at the time.

1256
01:15:47,084 --> 01:15:51,380
It was at a regular Sunday lunch
at Headington Hill Hall

1257
01:15:51,463 --> 01:15:54,091
with business executives
that Robert invited.

1258
01:15:54,591 --> 01:15:56,552
And Maxwell was presiding,

1259
01:15:57,261 --> 01:16:03,100
that rather as... as a Roman emperor
or Henry VIII, this sort of large figure.

1260
01:16:03,684 --> 01:16:06,019
But kneeling at his knee was Ghislaine.

1261
01:16:06,895 --> 01:16:08,772
And she was sobbing,

1262
01:16:09,356 --> 01:16:11,900
um, very, very profusely and dramatically.

1263
01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:13,193
There was snot.

1264
01:16:13,277 --> 01:16:15,779
I mean, this girl was crying her eyes out,

1265
01:16:16,363 --> 01:16:18,699
trying to persuade her father
to agree to something.

1266
01:16:18,782 --> 01:16:20,284
And he was ignoring this.

1267
01:16:20,993 --> 01:16:24,788
And this went on, to the embarrassment
of everyone else who was there,

1268
01:16:24,871 --> 01:16:28,667
but everyone was just completely ignoring
this bizarre sight.

1269
01:16:31,336 --> 01:16:34,840
I think with Ghislaine that her affection
for her father was unconditional

1270
01:16:34,923 --> 01:16:40,429
and that the urge to please him
was probably a huge driving force.

1271
01:16:41,013 --> 01:16:44,683
And, you know, perhaps she devoted
the same sort of acclaim

1272
01:16:44,766 --> 01:16:47,853
that she had to her father
to Epstein instead.

1273
01:16:51,982 --> 01:16:53,984
[foreboding music playing]

1274
01:16:57,779 --> 01:17:00,449
[reporter] <i>And now, to week two
of Ghislaine Maxwell trial,</i>

1275
01:17:00,532 --> 01:17:01,408
<i>here in Manhattan.</i>

1276
01:17:01,491 --> 01:17:03,452
<i>Today, another woman is going to testify</i>

1277
01:17:03,535 --> 01:17:07,039
<i>about her decades-long interactions
with Maxwell and the late Jeffrey Epstein.</i>

1278
01:17:08,999 --> 01:17:11,043
[Edwards] My client Kate is protected,

1279
01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:14,046
and she is able to proceed
under a pseudonym.

1280
01:17:14,129 --> 01:17:18,842
And Kate was first abused
by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 17.

1281
01:17:18,925 --> 01:17:22,596
And she was abused
for many, many, many years.

1282
01:17:25,641 --> 01:17:27,934
Kate was a teenager,

1283
01:17:28,018 --> 01:17:30,437
an aspiring British model,

1284
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,565
a talented musician,

1285
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:35,233
just a brilliant person.

1286
01:17:35,317 --> 01:17:36,777
In fact, she was accepted to Oxford.

1287
01:17:36,860 --> 01:17:38,737
Ghislaine had gone to Oxford.

1288
01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:43,867
So Ghislaine, in a lot of ways,
was everything Kate wanted to be.

1289
01:17:44,409 --> 01:17:47,204
And one of the first things
that Ghislaine told her was that

1290
01:17:47,287 --> 01:17:51,166
she had this very powerful boyfriend
who was a philanthropist,

1291
01:17:51,249 --> 01:17:54,169
who could assist Kate
in getting her foot in the door

1292
01:17:54,252 --> 01:17:56,213
in basically any industry she wanted.

1293
01:17:57,422 --> 01:17:59,716
What was originally
an innocuous introduction

1294
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,426
to Jeffrey Epstein

1295
01:18:02,052 --> 01:18:06,348
had her in the devil's den,
being abused in no time,

1296
01:18:06,431 --> 01:18:09,976
and then,
with literally no realistic way out.

1297
01:18:11,978 --> 01:18:14,290
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
<i>Did Epstein engage in a sex act</i>

1298
01:18:14,314 --> 01:18:15,774
<i>with you during the massage?</i>

1299
01:18:16,441 --> 01:18:17,601
[voice actor for "Kate"] <i>Yes.</i>

1300
01:18:18,443 --> 01:18:20,843
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
<i>After it ended, where did you go?</i>

1301
01:18:21,822 --> 01:18:25,033
[voice actor for "Kate"] <i>I left the room
and started walking down the stairs.</i>

1302
01:18:25,992 --> 01:18:28,346
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
<i>And who, if anyone, did you see?</i>

1303
01:18:28,370 --> 01:18:30,290
[voice actor for "Kate"]
<i>I saw Ghislaine Maxwell.</i>

1304
01:18:31,581 --> 01:18:34,209
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
<i>What, if anything, did Maxwell say?</i>

1305
01:18:34,292 --> 01:18:36,294
[voice actor for "Kate"]
<i>She said, "How did it go?"</i>

1306
01:18:36,378 --> 01:18:38,380
<i>"Did you have fun? Was it good?"</i>

1307
01:18:38,463 --> 01:18:42,092
<i>She seemed very excited and happy.
She thanked me again.</i>

1308
01:18:43,301 --> 01:18:46,304
My strategy for preparing Kate for trial
was pretty simple.

1309
01:18:46,388 --> 01:18:47,431
Just tell the truth

1310
01:18:47,514 --> 01:18:51,893
and don't worry about
all of the other nonsense

1311
01:18:51,977 --> 01:18:54,187
that Ghislaine Maxwell
is gonna throw your way

1312
01:18:54,271 --> 01:18:56,314
to try to discredit you.
It's not gonna work.

1313
01:18:57,733 --> 01:19:00,336
[voice actor for Sternheim]
<i>Now, you've testified there was a time,</i>

1314
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:04,030
<i>I think upwards of ten years,
that you used drugs. Correct?</i>

1315
01:19:05,115 --> 01:19:06,275
[voice actor for "Kate"] <i>Yes.</i>

1316
01:19:06,825 --> 01:19:09,887
[voice actor for Sternheim] <i>Fair to say
that using and abusing those substances</i>

1317
01:19:09,911 --> 01:19:13,540
<i>over a ten-year period
has had an impact on memory. Correct?</i>

1318
01:19:14,249 --> 01:19:16,809
[voice actor for "Kate"] <i>It has not had
an impact on the memories</i>

1319
01:19:16,835 --> 01:19:18,086
<i>that I have always had.</i>

1320
01:19:22,883 --> 01:19:24,217
I'm very proud of Kate

1321
01:19:24,301 --> 01:19:28,555
and... and many of the other, uh, clients
and victims and survivors

1322
01:19:28,638 --> 01:19:31,516
that were willing to come forward
and many who did, so...

1323
01:19:32,017 --> 01:19:36,521
She... she... she was what she always is,
just a completely honest person.

1324
01:19:38,315 --> 01:19:41,193
I think that
the most significant contribution

1325
01:19:41,276 --> 01:19:43,695
that Kate made to the trial

1326
01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:46,990
was explaining how Ghislaine Maxwell

1327
01:19:47,073 --> 01:19:50,285
specifically invoked the grooming process

1328
01:19:50,368 --> 01:19:53,497
in a way that facilitated Jeffrey Epstein,

1329
01:19:53,580 --> 01:19:56,792
that particular perpetrator's ability
to abuse little girls.

1330
01:19:57,459 --> 01:19:59,836
I would believe that the jury
had a light bulb go off

1331
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:03,340
and appreciate, "Oh, wait.
Now I understand how this happened."

1332
01:20:05,967 --> 01:20:08,011
[Stein] They finally caught up
with Ghislaine,

1333
01:20:08,094 --> 01:20:12,641
and that's something
I never thought I'd live to see happen.

1334
01:20:13,975 --> 01:20:18,396
And so, I wake up at 4:00 a.m.
every morning to be at the trial.

1335
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:23,693
I take the two-hour journey
from Philadelphia to New York.

1336
01:20:24,778 --> 01:20:28,281
And every day,
I wear a pair of Gucci loafers

1337
01:20:28,365 --> 01:20:31,076
that were given to me
by Jeffrey and Ghislaine.

1338
01:20:32,452 --> 01:20:35,205
And I think
that it's important symbolically

1339
01:20:35,288 --> 01:20:38,250
that I'm taking my journey every day,

1340
01:20:38,333 --> 01:20:40,001
walking in these shoes.

1341
01:20:41,419 --> 01:20:43,421
[somber music playing]

1342
01:20:45,549 --> 01:20:49,803
These are gifts
that Ghislaine and Jeffrey gave me

1343
01:20:49,886 --> 01:20:52,848
over the three years
that I was involved with them.

1344
01:20:53,515 --> 01:20:58,520
This is a gown that I wore
to a New Year's Eve party with them.

1345
01:20:59,563 --> 01:21:01,398
Ghislaine picked it out for me.

1346
01:21:02,691 --> 01:21:05,485
I realize that some people
might not understand

1347
01:21:05,569 --> 01:21:08,822
why I held onto all of these things
for so many years,

1348
01:21:09,447 --> 01:21:13,493
but it's validating my experience.

1349
01:21:13,577 --> 01:21:18,999
Having those items really helped me
to understand what happened to me

1350
01:21:20,166 --> 01:21:22,794
and were an integral part of my healing.

1351
01:21:24,546 --> 01:21:29,676
It's grueling physically,
traveling for hours to the trial.

1352
01:21:29,759 --> 01:21:33,305
But there is nothing in the world
that can stop me

1353
01:21:33,388 --> 01:21:34,806
from going there every day.

1354
01:21:36,641 --> 01:21:38,226
[reporter] <i>It is a new day of testimony</i>

1355
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:40,562
<i>in the sex-trafficking trial
of Ghislaine Maxwell,</i>

1356
01:21:40,645 --> 01:21:43,523
<i>and a third accuser,
who's going by the name </i>"<i>Carolyn,"</i>

1357
01:21:43,607 --> 01:21:44,441
<i>taking the stand.</i>

1358
01:21:44,524 --> 01:21:48,153
<i>Carolyn was 14
when Maxwell allegedly set her up</i>

1359
01:21:48,236 --> 01:21:51,072
<i>for Epstein's abuse
that went on for years.</i>

1360
01:21:52,866 --> 01:21:55,136
[voice actor for Comey]
<i>What's the last grade you attended</i>

1361
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,287
<i>before dropping out in middle school?</i>

1362
01:21:57,996 --> 01:22:00,933
- [voice actor for "Carolyn"] <i>Seventh.
- </i>[voice actor for Comey] <i>Why is that?</i>

1363
01:22:00,957 --> 01:22:04,461
[voice actor for "Carolyn"] <i>Because my mom
was an alcoholic and a drug addict.</i>

1364
01:22:05,712 --> 01:22:08,357
[voice actor for Comey] <i>When you were
between the ages of 14 and 16,</i>

1365
01:22:08,381 --> 01:22:09,591
<i>how did you make money?</i>

1366
01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:12,427
[voice actor for "Carolyn"]
<i>I went to Mr. Epstein's house</i>

1367
01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:14,179
<i>and got money that way.</i>

1368
01:22:16,473 --> 01:22:19,017
Whether it was an apartment

1369
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:21,061
or a car or a phone,

1370
01:22:21,645 --> 01:22:24,314
they will dangle that carrot
in front of them

1371
01:22:24,397 --> 01:22:26,441
in order to string them along

1372
01:22:26,524 --> 01:22:30,236
and make them succumb to sexual abuse.

1373
01:22:31,696 --> 01:22:33,698
[voice actor for Comey]
<i>What, if any, conversations</i>

1374
01:22:33,782 --> 01:22:37,744
<i>do you remember having with Maxwell
about your bra and hip size?</i>

1375
01:22:38,995 --> 01:22:41,957
[voice actor for "Carolyn"] <i>I was upstairs
setting up the massage table.</i>

1376
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,043
<i>And she came in and felt my boobs</i>

1377
01:22:45,126 --> 01:22:47,420
<i>and my hips and my buttocks</i>

1378
01:22:47,504 --> 01:22:51,883
<i>and said that I had a great body
for Mr. Epstein and his friends.</i>

1379
01:22:54,094 --> 01:22:56,721
[reporter 1] <i>Carolyn becoming emotional
several times</i>

1380
01:22:56,805 --> 01:23:00,600
<i>over the course of her testimony,
as she detailed the abuse,</i>

1381
01:23:00,684 --> 01:23:04,062
<i>saying she ultimately went
to Epstein's Palm Beach mansion</i>

1382
01:23:04,145 --> 01:23:06,147
<i>over 100 times.</i>

1383
01:23:06,231 --> 01:23:09,234
<i>The experience, Carolyn said,
contributed to mental health issues</i>

1384
01:23:09,317 --> 01:23:11,736
<i>and addiction issues
that continue to today.</i>

1385
01:23:12,612 --> 01:23:15,615
[McCawley] Carolyn's story
was particularly hard to hear.

1386
01:23:16,116 --> 01:23:18,493
But I think the jury connected with her.

1387
01:23:18,576 --> 01:23:20,537
She was powerful on the stand.

1388
01:23:20,620 --> 01:23:23,748
She didn't back down,
even when challenged by the defense.

1389
01:23:25,709 --> 01:23:27,544
The defense's strategy has been

1390
01:23:27,627 --> 01:23:30,505
to really try to attack
the victims' credibility,

1391
01:23:31,006 --> 01:23:33,174
but I think that was going to backfire
for them.

1392
01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:37,303
[reporter 2] This morning,
we're expecting to hear

1393
01:23:37,387 --> 01:23:42,142
from perhaps the most powerful
and compelling witness of all.

1394
01:23:42,225 --> 01:23:44,936
She's an American woman
named Annie Farmer,

1395
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:49,733
who claims she was sexually abused
by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell

1396
01:23:49,816 --> 01:23:53,319
at Epstein's, um, ranch in New Mexico.

1397
01:23:54,738 --> 01:23:58,658
I was outside of the courtroom
with my husband and my attorney, Sigrid,

1398
01:23:58,742 --> 01:24:00,076
and my heart was pounding.

1399
01:24:02,162 --> 01:24:05,540
Once the door opened,
one of the FBI agents led the way,

1400
01:24:05,623 --> 01:24:08,043
and I walked into the courtroom.

1401
01:24:08,126 --> 01:24:11,254
I wanted to make eye contact with Maxwell

1402
01:24:11,337 --> 01:24:15,842
to communicate that I'm not afraid
and that I'm there for a purpose.

1403
01:24:16,426 --> 01:24:19,679
So, I start to walk past the table
where she's sitting.

1404
01:24:19,763 --> 01:24:21,931
I did make a point
to look in her direction.

1405
01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:27,103
And I think that she looked like
she was trying to kind of busy herself

1406
01:24:27,187 --> 01:24:31,733
by looking down and looking at notes,
and she didn't want to make eye contact.

1407
01:24:33,568 --> 01:24:35,945
Sitting up there on the witness stand,

1408
01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:38,865
I feel... very nervous.

1409
01:24:38,948 --> 01:24:41,826
Physiologically, very nervous.

1410
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:44,662
My feet are sweating profusely.

1411
01:24:44,746 --> 01:24:46,372
My hands were shaking.

1412
01:24:47,123 --> 01:24:49,876
I made eye contact with Sigrid,
and, you know, she gestured,

1413
01:24:49,959 --> 01:24:51,461
putting her hand on her heart,

1414
01:24:51,544 --> 01:24:55,173
um, and I knew, you know,
that she was... she was there with me.

1415
01:24:56,132 --> 01:24:58,843
[McCawley] Annie kept a journal
at the time that she was abused

1416
01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:01,262
by Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.

1417
01:25:01,346 --> 01:25:05,016
And as part of the case,
that became evidence at the trial.

1418
01:25:06,935 --> 01:25:10,021
[Annie Farmer] Maxwell's defense attorneys
had me read a portion of my journal

1419
01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:14,359
in the courtroom, in particular
where I was going back and forth

1420
01:25:14,442 --> 01:25:16,611
about how to interpret Epstein's behavior.

1421
01:25:17,529 --> 01:25:20,198
"One night, we went
to the movies with Jeffrey Epstein."

1422
01:25:20,281 --> 01:25:21,366
"It was a little weird,

1423
01:25:21,449 --> 01:25:23,576
one of those things
that is hard to explain."

1424
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,997
"We were sitting next to each other,
and he put out his hand for me to hold."

1425
01:25:28,081 --> 01:25:32,252
"Then he kind of caressed,
rubbed my arm and shoe/foot."

1426
01:25:33,044 --> 01:25:35,171
"Overall, I decided it was no big deal."

1427
01:25:35,255 --> 01:25:37,966
"It just made me mad,
because he is being so amazing."

1428
01:25:38,466 --> 01:25:41,803
"Paying for a summer program for me.
Helping me with college."

1429
01:25:42,762 --> 01:25:45,557
As a 16-year-old,
I was trying to make excuses,

1430
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,352
because in my mind, it didn't fit
that he was being so generous and nice

1431
01:25:49,435 --> 01:25:51,580
and then doing these things
to make me so uncomfortable

1432
01:25:51,604 --> 01:25:53,189
and violate my boundaries.

1433
01:25:54,524 --> 01:25:57,652
[McCawley] The defense's strategy
is to use the nuance that,

1434
01:25:57,735 --> 01:26:00,446
when she was trying
to explain to herself in the journal

1435
01:26:00,530 --> 01:26:02,240
and say that it wasn't that bad,

1436
01:26:02,323 --> 01:26:05,243
the defense tried to use that to say,
"Well, it wasn't that bad."

1437
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,455
[Annie Farmer]
Then, as a part of the cross-examination,

1438
01:26:09,539 --> 01:26:12,959
they bring up a brown paper bag
with these cowboy boots in them,

1439
01:26:13,042 --> 01:26:16,421
the boots that Maxwell and Epstein
had purchased for me in New Mexico

1440
01:26:16,504 --> 01:26:20,633
back in 1996 and asked me
to... to show them.

1441
01:26:21,384 --> 01:26:25,388
And I started to realize
that what they were insinuating here

1442
01:26:25,471 --> 01:26:27,849
is that because they were well-worn,

1443
01:26:27,932 --> 01:26:30,894
it hadn't, in fact,
been such a bothersome memory to me.

1444
01:26:32,228 --> 01:26:34,105
I actually had worn the boots

1445
01:26:34,189 --> 01:26:36,691
in order to, you know,
reclaim this part of my history

1446
01:26:36,774 --> 01:26:41,738
and not just avoid it or feel stressed
when I saw these in the back of my closet.

1447
01:26:43,615 --> 01:26:46,576
I think what was
most really disgusting to me

1448
01:26:46,659 --> 01:26:49,662
was the way that her defense attorneys

1449
01:26:49,746 --> 01:26:55,376
tried to minimize and downplay
what my experience was.

1450
01:26:57,587 --> 01:27:01,007
Her defense attorneys asked me
about this incident

1451
01:27:01,090 --> 01:27:03,593
when Maxwell gave me this massage,

1452
01:27:04,093 --> 01:27:06,095
and she had touched my breasts.

1453
01:27:07,138 --> 01:27:12,268
They tried to... challenge
the language that I used.

1454
01:27:13,061 --> 01:27:15,581
[McCawley] They tried to get her to admit
it wasn't the nipples.

1455
01:27:15,605 --> 01:27:18,608
It was really, sort of,
the outside portions of the breast.

1456
01:27:18,691 --> 01:27:22,111
But what we're talking about here
is a 16-year-old child

1457
01:27:22,195 --> 01:27:24,864
being rubbed by an adult woman
on her breasts.

1458
01:27:24,948 --> 01:27:27,825
Regardless of which part
of the breast it is.

1459
01:27:27,909 --> 01:27:31,871
It just infuriates me
to see someone equating those two

1460
01:27:31,955 --> 01:27:35,959
and trying to confuse
the public about what sexual abuse is.

1461
01:27:36,834 --> 01:27:38,836
[somber music playing]

1462
01:27:39,420 --> 01:27:41,690
[McCawley] I think that was just
a really powerful moment,

1463
01:27:41,714 --> 01:27:45,551
to see her on the stand,
saying that and speaking her truth.

1464
01:27:47,553 --> 01:27:50,032
[Annie Farmer] I was just barely
making it out of the courtroom

1465
01:27:50,056 --> 01:27:51,349
before I started crying.

1466
01:27:51,432 --> 01:27:53,977
It took a little while to get composure.

1467
01:27:54,727 --> 01:27:58,106
My husband came, telling me
I'd done a good job and that it was over.

1468
01:27:58,189 --> 01:27:59,899
And that was really...

1469
01:28:00,733 --> 01:28:03,653
[sighs] It just was such a huge relief.

1470
01:28:07,282 --> 01:28:09,284
[somber music playing]

1471
01:28:16,833 --> 01:28:17,959
[siren wails in distance]

1472
01:28:18,042 --> 01:28:19,919
[indistinct chatter]

1473
01:28:21,796 --> 01:28:23,881
You can't ever predict
what a jury's gonna do.

1474
01:28:23,965 --> 01:28:28,052
But they have all the evidence now.
So, hopefully, they do the right thing.

1475
01:28:28,136 --> 01:28:30,513
No matter what happens,
I don't think there's anything more

1476
01:28:30,596 --> 01:28:32,974
that any of our clients
or any of the women could've done,

1477
01:28:33,057 --> 01:28:35,768
and we're really, really,
really proud of them.

1478
01:28:37,478 --> 01:28:38,813
I agree with that.

1479
01:28:39,981 --> 01:28:42,400
[reporter 1] <i>The case is now
in the hands of the jury,</i>

1480
01:28:42,483 --> 01:28:45,194
<i>and a verdict is possible
before Christmas Day,</i>

1481
01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:48,448
<i>which will be
Ghislaine Maxwell's 60th birthday.</i>

1482
01:28:50,825 --> 01:28:52,744
[reporter 2]
Just before 10:30 this morning,

1483
01:28:52,827 --> 01:28:57,665
the jury asked for office supplies,
including Post-its, a whiteboard.

1484
01:28:57,749 --> 01:29:00,335
Also asked for the definition
of the word "enticement."

1485
01:29:01,252 --> 01:29:04,339
[Briquelet] I know people are impatient
that there hasn't been a verdict.

1486
01:29:04,422 --> 01:29:07,675
They're really putting thought into this
and consideration,

1487
01:29:07,759 --> 01:29:10,636
and I think if you were Ghislaine Maxwell,
you'd be happy about that.

1488
01:29:11,346 --> 01:29:14,640
[McCawley] We were hoping, of course,
that there would be a very quick verdict,

1489
01:29:14,724 --> 01:29:17,560
but as the days go on,
certainly it becomes concerning

1490
01:29:17,643 --> 01:29:19,354
that there could be a hung jury.

1491
01:29:21,731 --> 01:29:24,411
[reporter 3] We're standing by,
and we may have a verdict any moment

1492
01:29:24,484 --> 01:29:26,819
or not today. Who knows?

1493
01:29:26,903 --> 01:29:28,905
[tense music playing]

1494
01:29:33,576 --> 01:29:38,039
[Annie Farmer] I was at home,
and I had been trying to distract myself.

1495
01:29:38,122 --> 01:29:41,667
And so my mom and I decided
that we would go thrift shopping.

1496
01:29:41,751 --> 01:29:44,587
And I didn't realize my ringer was off,

1497
01:29:44,670 --> 01:29:47,840
and so I looked at my phone,
and I had a missed call from my husband,

1498
01:29:47,924 --> 01:29:51,219
and I had a text message
from another Epstein survivor.

1499
01:29:51,803 --> 01:29:56,474
I've just rushed out of the courtroom now.
To give you a sense of the picture

1500
01:29:56,557 --> 01:29:58,017
inside that courtroom,

1501
01:29:58,101 --> 01:30:01,854
Ghislaine Maxwell is sat
behind the defense table,

1502
01:30:01,938 --> 01:30:03,898
as she has been throughout this trial.

1503
01:30:03,981 --> 01:30:06,567
She's wearing a...
a maroon turtleneck jumper.

1504
01:30:06,651 --> 01:30:11,114
Judge Alison Nathan took her seat
in the courtroom and said,

1505
01:30:11,197 --> 01:30:12,949
"I have a verdict."

1506
01:30:13,616 --> 01:30:16,285
So, I ran into the parking lot
and called my husband,

1507
01:30:16,369 --> 01:30:18,329
and he was on the computer

1508
01:30:18,413 --> 01:30:22,750
and read to me as the verdict came out.

1509
01:30:23,835 --> 01:30:26,754
[reporter 3] Ghislaine Maxwell
has been found guilty

1510
01:30:26,838 --> 01:30:28,840
of five of the six charges,

1511
01:30:28,923 --> 01:30:33,010
including that most serious
sex-trafficking charge.

1512
01:30:33,094 --> 01:30:37,849
She faces, for that charge alone,
a maximum of 40 years in prison.

1513
01:30:39,308 --> 01:30:42,437
I started crying in the parking lot
and jumping up and down,

1514
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,021
and Sigrid called on the other line.

1515
01:30:44,981 --> 01:30:47,567
[McCawley] Of course,
the very first thing, I called Annie,

1516
01:30:47,650 --> 01:30:50,361
and we just had an incredible moment.

1517
01:30:50,445 --> 01:30:52,238
I think we both cried together.

1518
01:30:52,321 --> 01:30:54,949
It was... It was very emotional.

1519
01:30:56,534 --> 01:30:58,953
- [woman] Kevin, will you be speaking?
- [man 1] Mr. Maxwell?

1520
01:30:59,036 --> 01:31:00,329
[man 2] What's your reaction?

1521
01:31:00,413 --> 01:31:04,083
[reporter 1] Tonight marks the final fall
from grace for Ghislaine Maxwell.

1522
01:31:04,167 --> 01:31:07,253
A jury has decided
that she wasn't just a bystander

1523
01:31:07,336 --> 01:31:09,922
to the sexual offenses by Jeffrey Epstein.

1524
01:31:10,548 --> 01:31:13,009
They decided that she was,
herself, a predator.

1525
01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:16,554
[reporter 2] What was her...
What was her reaction backstage?

1526
01:31:16,637 --> 01:31:17,889
Was it emotional?

1527
01:31:18,848 --> 01:31:21,684
[Briquelet]
Ghislaine's reaction to the guilty verdict

1528
01:31:21,767 --> 01:31:23,311
was a little bit surprising.

1529
01:31:23,394 --> 01:31:26,898
She didn't break down.
She didn't cry or say anything.

1530
01:31:26,981 --> 01:31:30,318
It just seemed like
she took a sip of water and sat down,

1531
01:31:30,401 --> 01:31:31,401
and that was it.

1532
01:31:31,903 --> 01:31:36,532
Ghislaine is going to go down in history
as one of those rare female predators.

1533
01:31:36,616 --> 01:31:37,950
And that's highly unusual.

1534
01:31:38,034 --> 01:31:41,120
What is her legacy now?
Um, it's one of disgrace.

1535
01:31:42,246 --> 01:31:45,208
[reporter 3] <i>The charges that Maxwell
has been convicted of include</i>

1536
01:31:45,291 --> 01:31:46,959
<i>sex trafficking of a minor,</i>

1537
01:31:47,043 --> 01:31:49,879
<i>transporting a minor
to engage in criminal sexual activity,</i>

1538
01:31:49,962 --> 01:31:53,799
<i>and three conspiracy charges
related to sex trafficking.</i>

1539
01:31:53,883 --> 01:31:56,177
[reporters]
Miss Menninger! Miss Menninger!

1540
01:31:56,260 --> 01:31:58,304
You have to make way, please.
One way or the other.

1541
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,724
Will there be an appeals process?

1542
01:32:02,558 --> 01:32:04,435
Do you intend to appeal this verdict?

1543
01:32:08,147 --> 01:32:11,067
[Sternheim] We firmly believe
in Ghislaine's innocence.

1544
01:32:11,150 --> 01:32:14,695
Obviously, we are very disappointed
with the verdict.

1545
01:32:14,779 --> 01:32:17,615
We have already started working
on the appeal,

1546
01:32:17,698 --> 01:32:20,451
and we are confident
that she will be vindicated.

1547
01:32:20,535 --> 01:32:23,329
Everyone, be healthy.
Have a happy New Year.

1548
01:32:23,412 --> 01:32:25,081
[reporter 4] How is Ghislaine doing?

1549
01:32:25,164 --> 01:32:27,166
[reporters clamoring]

1550
01:32:27,875 --> 01:32:30,753
[McCawley] With the counts that
Ghislaine Maxwell has been convicted on,

1551
01:32:30,836 --> 01:32:33,506
she could be in prison for up to 65 years.

1552
01:32:33,589 --> 01:32:36,551
So, this is really
a tremendous verdict for the survivors.

1553
01:32:36,634 --> 01:32:38,427
[reporter 5] Ghislaine Maxwell
was charged...

1554
01:32:38,511 --> 01:32:41,264
[McCawley] It really shows
that the jury heard them,

1555
01:32:41,347 --> 01:32:42,640
believed them,

1556
01:32:42,723 --> 01:32:45,935
and did the right thing
by convicting Ghislaine Maxwell.

1557
01:32:47,061 --> 01:32:49,021
For a few minutes, I cried uncontrollably.

1558
01:32:49,105 --> 01:32:51,566
I never thought I'd ever see the day...

1559
01:32:53,859 --> 01:32:55,361
where she was convicted.

1560
01:32:56,946 --> 01:33:00,449
[Ransome] It's very much been
a group effort to bring her down.

1561
01:33:00,533 --> 01:33:04,829
And it's taken many, many years
to finally get justice.

1562
01:33:05,663 --> 01:33:08,332
It's one of the happiest days of my life.

1563
01:33:10,001 --> 01:33:14,213
[Edwards] I think I've spoken to over 50
of my clients about this verdict.

1564
01:33:14,297 --> 01:33:18,676
And one of them put it, I thought, best.

1565
01:33:18,759 --> 01:33:22,513
She said, "I feel like
we've finally been heard."

1566
01:33:26,726 --> 01:33:27,726
[car honking]

1567
01:33:28,144 --> 01:33:30,184
[reporter 1] <i>Breaking news
out of Buckingham Palace,</i>

1568
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:32,398
<i>just weeks after
the Ghislaine Maxwell verdict,</i>

1569
01:33:32,481 --> 01:33:36,193
<i>the fallout continues for a man
associated with Maxwell</i>

1570
01:33:36,277 --> 01:33:37,570
<i>and Jeffrey Epstein.</i>

1571
01:33:37,653 --> 01:33:41,699
Britain's Prince Andrew has reached
a settlement with his accuser

1572
01:33:41,782 --> 01:33:44,076
in a sexual assault lawsuit.

1573
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,760
[anchor] Miss Giuffre had, of course,
been suing the Duke of York,

1574
01:33:46,787 --> 01:33:50,625
claiming that he sexually assaulted her
on three occasions when she was 17.

1575
01:33:50,708 --> 01:33:52,960
The figure that's been touted widely
this morning

1576
01:33:53,044 --> 01:33:56,339
in all the newspapers and outlets
is about £12 million.

1577
01:33:56,839 --> 01:33:59,884
[Palmeri] Prince Andrew settled
with Virginia Roberts Giuffre,

1578
01:33:59,967 --> 01:34:02,553
and the Queen stripped him
of his royal title.

1579
01:34:02,637 --> 01:34:03,763
[crowd shouting]

1580
01:34:03,846 --> 01:34:06,974
[reporter 2] <i>An unprecedented situation,
this, for the Royal Family.</i>

1581
01:34:07,558 --> 01:34:10,144
[Boies] This is the Queen's favorite son.

1582
01:34:10,227 --> 01:34:14,315
That has been his persona
for his entire life.

1583
01:34:14,398 --> 01:34:17,276
He has been His Royal Highness,
Prince of England,

1584
01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:22,865
and Virginia's lawsuit is important
<i>because </i>of that.

1585
01:34:25,034 --> 01:34:27,953
[Annie Farmer] I was so proud of Virginia

1586
01:34:28,037 --> 01:34:33,084
for fighting to have
Prince Andrew held accountable.

1587
01:34:33,167 --> 01:34:34,960
I mean, I could not have imagined

1588
01:34:35,044 --> 01:34:38,589
that she would, you know,
be able to accomplish this.

1589
01:34:39,632 --> 01:34:41,634
[somber music playing]

1590
01:34:50,101 --> 01:34:53,145
[Annie Farmer]
I think it is really important to me

1591
01:34:53,229 --> 01:34:56,774
to make a statement
about how I've stood up for myself

1592
01:34:56,857 --> 01:34:59,944
and for other women and girls.

1593
01:35:02,029 --> 01:35:04,407
- Thank you so much for meeting me here.
- Of course.

1594
01:35:04,490 --> 01:35:05,490
[Annie Farmer sighs]

1595
01:35:05,950 --> 01:35:08,661
And not being afraid any longer

1596
01:35:08,744 --> 01:35:11,580
of Maxwell or Epstein
and their powerful friends.

1597
01:35:12,081 --> 01:35:15,543
I think I told you, they kept my boots,
uh, after the trial.

1598
01:35:15,626 --> 01:35:17,146
I don't know if I'm getting them back.

1599
01:35:17,211 --> 01:35:20,631
So I would like to buy
a pair of nice boots for myself.

1600
01:35:22,258 --> 01:35:25,261
I think that this experience
has made me more aware

1601
01:35:25,344 --> 01:35:29,807
of how it's not uncommon
that people who are predators

1602
01:35:29,890 --> 01:35:33,936
have come to occupy positions
with a lot of prestige

1603
01:35:34,019 --> 01:35:36,105
or, uh, power in some way.

1604
01:35:36,188 --> 01:35:39,650
I didn't recognize this
as the systemic issue that it was.

1605
01:35:40,234 --> 01:35:43,487
I actually was looking on your website
and saw you had a boot called "The Annie."

1606
01:35:43,571 --> 01:35:45,740
- We do. We do.
- Ooh. Could I try some on?

1607
01:35:45,823 --> 01:35:46,823
Yeah, sure.

1608
01:35:48,909 --> 01:35:54,457
[McCawley] This whole story has been about
how money and power overcome justice.

1609
01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:57,418
And what we're seeing now
is something vastly different.

1610
01:35:58,252 --> 01:36:01,297
And I think that shows you,
regardless of stature,

1611
01:36:01,380 --> 01:36:02,840
you will be held accountable.

1612
01:36:04,175 --> 01:36:07,470
[Edwards] All of the time and energy
and effort and sleepless nights

1613
01:36:07,553 --> 01:36:09,472
and fighting was worth it.

1614
01:36:09,555 --> 01:36:11,140
The justice system worked.

1615
01:36:11,724 --> 01:36:13,164
[Annie Farmer] These are good boots.

1616
01:36:13,225 --> 01:36:15,519
[Temple] They should rename them
"The Annie Farmer Boots."

1617
01:36:15,603 --> 01:36:16,771
[Annie Farmer laughs]

1618
01:36:16,854 --> 01:36:21,192
It's a real lesson to people
about the need to pay attention

1619
01:36:21,859 --> 01:36:22,943
to what's going on

1620
01:36:23,027 --> 01:36:26,697
and the need to protect
the vulnerable people in our society.

1621
01:36:28,741 --> 01:36:31,827
- I got 'em. Are you ready?
- [Temple] You got 'em. Yeah. You?

1622
01:36:32,661 --> 01:36:35,021
- Good night. See you. Bye.
- Good night. I'll see you. Bye.

1623
01:36:35,372 --> 01:36:39,502
[Annie Farmer] My new boots mean to me
stepping into a new phase of my life.

1624
01:36:40,211 --> 01:36:41,587
There was a lot of darkness

1625
01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:44,298
around what happened
with Epstein and Maxwell,

1626
01:36:44,381 --> 01:36:46,383
and I'm leaving that behind.

1627
01:36:46,467 --> 01:36:48,761
And I'm hoping to be able to do more

1628
01:36:48,844 --> 01:36:51,847
to share what I've learned
and to connect with other people.

1629
01:36:51,931 --> 01:36:55,851
And I think that, in a way, these boots
just feel like a powerful symbol

1630
01:36:55,935 --> 01:36:58,229
of me stepping into that new future.

1631
01:36:58,312 --> 01:37:00,314
[somber music playing]

1632
01:37:24,797 --> 01:37:26,799
[somber music continues]