1 00:00:06,841 --> 00:00:08,384 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 2 00:00:08,426 --> 00:00:10,178 -Casey Anthony held her head high 3 00:00:10,219 --> 00:00:11,888 after being arrested yesterday, 4 00:00:11,929 --> 00:00:15,058 charged with child neglect and lying to the authorities. 5 00:00:15,099 --> 00:00:18,478 -We all believed that we arrested the right person. 6 00:00:19,604 --> 00:00:21,481 -What?! 7 00:00:21,522 --> 00:00:23,649 -She has completely removed herself 8 00:00:23,691 --> 00:00:27,320 from any normal emotion of a mother missing a child. 9 00:00:27,361 --> 00:00:29,572 And that is the most disturbing part for me. 10 00:00:29,614 --> 00:00:30,782 [ Horn honks ] 11 00:00:30,823 --> 00:00:32,784 -There was a lot of anger at Casey Anthony. 12 00:00:32,825 --> 00:00:35,578 How could she not call the police for 30 days? 13 00:00:35,620 --> 00:00:37,747 -Soft sticks. 14 00:00:37,789 --> 00:00:39,123 -Why talk to me now? 15 00:00:39,165 --> 00:00:42,168 -I just need someone to be willing to listen. 16 00:00:42,210 --> 00:00:43,753 Growing up...telling the truth 17 00:00:43,795 --> 00:00:46,089 to anyone in the outside world didn't happen. 18 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:47,465 When I was 8 years old, 19 00:00:47,507 --> 00:00:49,717 my father started to come into my room at night. 20 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:51,010 I can't tell Mommy. 21 00:00:51,052 --> 00:00:53,262 She'll get mad at me. That's what I was told. 22 00:00:53,304 --> 00:00:55,306 Protecting the family at all costs. 23 00:00:55,348 --> 00:00:57,892 That was the only goal. 24 00:00:57,934 --> 00:01:00,228 I admitted that I lied. 25 00:01:00,269 --> 00:01:02,271 But no one asked why. 26 00:01:02,313 --> 00:01:04,107 -Why were you lying to the cops? 27 00:01:04,148 --> 00:01:06,025 -I was doing what I was told. 28 00:01:06,067 --> 00:01:08,194 -By? -My father. 29 00:01:12,615 --> 00:01:21,124 ** 30 00:01:21,165 --> 00:01:29,799 ** 31 00:01:29,841 --> 00:01:36,639 ** 32 00:01:46,899 --> 00:01:48,359 [ Exhales forcefully ] 33 00:02:01,998 --> 00:02:09,714 ** 34 00:02:09,756 --> 00:02:17,263 ** 35 00:02:17,305 --> 00:02:25,021 ** 36 00:02:25,063 --> 00:02:32,570 ** 37 00:02:32,612 --> 00:02:33,946 -Despite intense searches, 38 00:02:33,988 --> 00:02:36,574 there's been no sign of Caylee since June. 39 00:02:36,616 --> 00:02:38,743 Officials have said they believe the girl is dead, 40 00:02:38,785 --> 00:02:41,704 although, the child's body hasn't been found. 41 00:02:41,746 --> 00:02:44,373 Her mother faces charges, including first-degree murder 42 00:02:44,415 --> 00:02:46,125 and lying to investigators. 43 00:02:46,167 --> 00:02:48,252 -The young woman remains behind bars. 44 00:02:48,294 --> 00:02:49,879 Casey Anthony's attorney says 45 00:02:49,921 --> 00:02:52,548 the mother believes Caylee is still alive. 46 00:02:52,590 --> 00:02:53,925 -The whole United States 47 00:02:53,966 --> 00:02:55,426 is looking for our Caylee. 48 00:02:55,468 --> 00:02:58,012 Are we going to be able to find her, do you think? 49 00:02:58,054 --> 00:03:00,390 -I hope we can, Mom. 50 00:03:00,431 --> 00:03:02,975 [ Crying ] I believed that she was still okay. 51 00:03:06,104 --> 00:03:09,065 So, I know you want to ask me about the last day she was here, 52 00:03:09,107 --> 00:03:12,402 the last day that I saw her, the day she disappeared. 53 00:03:12,443 --> 00:03:14,987 [ Sniffles ] 54 00:03:15,029 --> 00:03:17,698 I know that's what it's all leading up to. 55 00:03:19,826 --> 00:03:21,661 [ Crying ] 56 00:03:30,628 --> 00:03:32,338 [ Sniffles ] I can tell you about what 57 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:33,965 I remember from the morning. 58 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:37,218 It's not much. 59 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:42,140 ** 60 00:03:42,181 --> 00:03:46,853 ** 61 00:03:46,894 --> 00:03:50,273 The night before was a normal night. 62 00:03:50,314 --> 00:03:52,775 Got Caylee to bed. 63 00:03:52,817 --> 00:03:55,862 Woke up the next morning, got her breakfast. 64 00:03:56,821 --> 00:04:00,616 I wasn't feeling that great and I wanted to lay down. 65 00:04:02,285 --> 00:04:05,121 Put on the TV. The door was closed. 66 00:04:05,163 --> 00:04:06,372 [ Sniffles ] 67 00:04:06,414 --> 00:04:08,040 And I had her lay in bed with me. 68 00:04:08,082 --> 00:04:11,335 I've been a light sleeper my entire life. 69 00:04:11,377 --> 00:04:12,587 Because I'm used to someone 70 00:04:12,628 --> 00:04:14,630 opening the door while I'm asleep. 71 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:19,302 I'm used to being on alert, 72 00:04:19,343 --> 00:04:22,096 especially with my child next to me. 73 00:04:22,972 --> 00:04:25,975 It's part of the reason she slept in bed with me so much, 74 00:04:26,017 --> 00:04:29,020 in my bed, with pillows stuffed against the wall, 75 00:04:29,062 --> 00:04:31,064 with the bed up against it so she couldn't fall, 76 00:04:31,105 --> 00:04:32,607 so the bed couldn't move. 77 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:36,486 -Were the doors unlocked to your bedroom? 78 00:04:36,527 --> 00:04:39,072 -I thought that I had locked it, but maybe not. 79 00:04:39,113 --> 00:04:41,407 It's possible that the door was unlocked. 80 00:04:42,617 --> 00:04:44,368 I know my dad was at home. 81 00:04:49,499 --> 00:04:51,375 But I fell asleep. 82 00:04:52,460 --> 00:04:54,087 And was asleep for a while. 83 00:04:56,047 --> 00:04:59,884 And I was awoken by him shaking me... 84 00:05:00,968 --> 00:05:03,471 ...and asking me where Caylee was, which didn't make sense 85 00:05:03,513 --> 00:05:06,140 because I look next to me and that's where she was. 86 00:05:06,182 --> 00:05:07,850 TV was still on. 87 00:05:10,144 --> 00:05:12,939 She would never even leave my room without telling me, 88 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:14,941 even if she had to go to the bathroom. 89 00:05:16,484 --> 00:05:18,778 She'd never just leave me there. 90 00:05:20,238 --> 00:05:21,489 She knew she wasn't allowed 91 00:05:21,531 --> 00:05:24,075 to just be in the house by herself. 92 00:05:24,117 --> 00:05:27,120 And I immediately start looking around the house -- 93 00:05:27,161 --> 00:05:29,747 her room, what used to be my brother's room, 94 00:05:29,789 --> 00:05:32,959 in the bathroom, my parents' room, the garage. 95 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,547 I go outside and I'm looking to see where she could be. 96 00:05:37,588 --> 00:05:38,965 She's not in her playhouse. 97 00:05:39,006 --> 00:05:41,134 Where is she? Why is she not here? 98 00:05:41,175 --> 00:05:44,053 Didn't make sense. Still doesn't make sense. 99 00:05:44,095 --> 00:05:47,098 She'd never done that before. Why that day? 100 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:50,768 -Did you look inside the pool? 101 00:05:51,602 --> 00:05:53,229 -Didn't have to. 102 00:05:53,271 --> 00:05:54,772 By the time I came back around 103 00:05:54,814 --> 00:05:56,733 from the left side of the house, 104 00:05:56,774 --> 00:05:58,526 I came back around towards the front porch, 105 00:05:58,568 --> 00:06:00,528 he's standing there with her. 106 00:06:03,281 --> 00:06:04,449 She's soaking wet. 107 00:06:04,490 --> 00:06:12,498 ** 108 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:13,958 [ Sighs ] 109 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:18,963 I can see him standing there with her in his arms. 110 00:06:20,798 --> 00:06:22,925 And hand her to me. 111 00:06:22,967 --> 00:06:26,262 And telling me that it's my fault, 112 00:06:26,304 --> 00:06:27,889 that I did that. 113 00:06:29,807 --> 00:06:31,225 That I caused that. 114 00:06:34,645 --> 00:06:37,523 And I just collapsed with her in my arms. 115 00:06:41,235 --> 00:06:42,820 -What did she feel like? 116 00:06:44,072 --> 00:06:45,323 -She was heavy. 117 00:06:45,364 --> 00:06:46,532 She was cold. 118 00:06:46,574 --> 00:06:50,411 ** 119 00:06:50,453 --> 00:06:52,080 [ Sighs ] 120 00:06:52,121 --> 00:06:56,292 As I'm sitting there with her on my lap, 121 00:06:56,334 --> 00:06:57,835 I was hysterical. 122 00:06:59,921 --> 00:07:02,507 Just staring at her, not knowing what to do. 123 00:07:03,966 --> 00:07:07,053 He takes her from me and he immediately softens his tone 124 00:07:07,095 --> 00:07:08,888 and tells me it's going to be okay. 125 00:07:10,890 --> 00:07:12,934 That she was going to be okay. 126 00:07:15,978 --> 00:07:17,814 That's what he said to me. 127 00:07:19,732 --> 00:07:22,860 [ Sniffles ] I wanted to believe him. 128 00:07:23,736 --> 00:07:25,530 Because I wanted her to be okay. 129 00:07:25,571 --> 00:07:33,371 ** 130 00:07:33,413 --> 00:07:36,582 ** 131 00:07:36,624 --> 00:07:38,543 And I don't know how long I sat outside. 132 00:07:38,584 --> 00:07:40,253 I don't know where he went. 133 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:44,132 He took her from me and he walked away. 134 00:07:45,049 --> 00:07:46,926 I know he went back in through the screen doors 135 00:07:46,968 --> 00:07:48,845 and he went back into the house. 136 00:07:51,055 --> 00:07:55,226 But I don't know where she went and I don't know what he did. 137 00:07:57,729 --> 00:08:00,356 I just want her back. 138 00:08:00,398 --> 00:08:03,484 [ Sniffles ] 139 00:08:03,526 --> 00:08:06,028 It's all I've wanted this entire time. 140 00:08:06,070 --> 00:08:13,411 ** 141 00:08:13,453 --> 00:08:16,038 ** 142 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,207 I can tell you about how numb I felt 143 00:08:18,249 --> 00:08:21,044 and how broken I felt, and confused, 144 00:08:21,085 --> 00:08:22,253 but also hopeful 145 00:08:22,295 --> 00:08:24,881 because I believed that she was still okay. 146 00:08:26,049 --> 00:08:27,592 And I know people are going to question, 147 00:08:27,633 --> 00:08:28,885 well, why didn't I make a phone call, 148 00:08:28,926 --> 00:08:31,971 why didn't I call 911, 149 00:08:32,013 --> 00:08:35,641 why did I even wait to tell my mom anything? 150 00:08:35,683 --> 00:08:37,602 But I didn't tell her anything. 151 00:08:37,643 --> 00:08:39,896 Why lie? 152 00:08:39,937 --> 00:08:43,649 Why not do a hundred things, a hundred different ways? 153 00:08:45,526 --> 00:08:48,196 I have to live with that, 154 00:08:48,237 --> 00:08:50,948 knowing that I failed to protect my child. 155 00:08:52,909 --> 00:08:55,411 And that I kept failing her, even after that. 156 00:08:56,454 --> 00:08:59,916 I failed her again and again and again 157 00:08:59,957 --> 00:09:04,754 because I still protected the person who hurt me. 158 00:09:04,796 --> 00:09:10,802 ** 159 00:09:10,843 --> 00:09:13,638 It was like I was brainwashed. 160 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,099 And it wasn't until much later 161 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:19,227 that I started to really realize why. 162 00:09:19,268 --> 00:09:25,525 ** 163 00:09:25,566 --> 00:09:32,448 ** 164 00:09:32,490 --> 00:09:35,243 This is a living embodiment of hell for me. 165 00:09:36,077 --> 00:09:38,413 Yeah, this is not entirely one of those places I'd like 166 00:09:38,454 --> 00:09:41,958 to go back and try to walk back through memory lane. 167 00:09:43,209 --> 00:09:45,545 -How long were you in the Orange County Jail? 168 00:09:45,586 --> 00:09:46,838 -Three years. 169 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:50,133 I was indicted on October 14th of 2008 170 00:09:50,174 --> 00:09:53,970 and I was released after the verdict, 171 00:09:54,011 --> 00:09:57,682 a few days after the verdict, in July of 2011. 172 00:09:58,725 --> 00:10:00,435 -What did you hear in the cell? 173 00:10:01,936 --> 00:10:03,771 -Screaming, yelling. 174 00:10:03,813 --> 00:10:05,523 It's never quiet. 175 00:10:05,565 --> 00:10:08,818 The doors are metal and they clink and they're loud. 176 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:10,361 -What do you smell? 177 00:10:10,403 --> 00:10:12,780 -Feces. 178 00:10:12,822 --> 00:10:14,157 Other people's body odor 179 00:10:14,198 --> 00:10:17,493 because it's a recycled air system. 180 00:10:17,535 --> 00:10:18,870 Pepper spray, if they had 181 00:10:18,911 --> 00:10:20,747 to pepper spray someone inside of the unit 182 00:10:20,788 --> 00:10:22,999 or sometimes even from the neighboring unit. 183 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,252 I was waiting in jail, 184 00:10:26,294 --> 00:10:28,880 being accused of a crime that it didn't commit. 185 00:10:32,467 --> 00:10:36,220 [ Crying ] I'm remembering feeling alone 186 00:10:36,262 --> 00:10:37,513 and helpless 187 00:10:37,555 --> 00:10:40,767 and having literally no one in my corner. 188 00:10:40,808 --> 00:10:47,148 ** 189 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:51,152 During that period of time, I needed someone to talk to. 190 00:10:51,194 --> 00:10:59,619 ** 191 00:10:59,660 --> 00:11:08,419 ** 192 00:11:08,461 --> 00:11:16,386 ** 193 00:11:16,427 --> 00:11:20,890 -Both of these boxes are from when I was in jail. 194 00:11:20,932 --> 00:11:23,142 I've never -- 195 00:11:23,184 --> 00:11:24,936 I've never gone through them. 196 00:11:28,064 --> 00:11:29,816 So, let's have a look-see. 197 00:11:33,486 --> 00:11:36,239 My name is Robyn McDonnell. 198 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,283 I was indicted under the name Robyn Adams. 199 00:11:40,243 --> 00:11:44,247 I came to meet Casey Anthony in the Orange County Jail 200 00:11:44,288 --> 00:11:47,875 after I was arrested for conspiracy 201 00:11:47,917 --> 00:11:50,002 to drug trafficking marijuana. 202 00:11:53,381 --> 00:11:56,259 When I was transported to Orange County Jail, 203 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:58,386 I went into solitary confinement. 204 00:12:00,263 --> 00:12:04,225 You're locked down for 23 hours a day. 205 00:12:04,267 --> 00:12:07,603 It's a box. It's a shoe box. It's Tupperware. 206 00:12:07,645 --> 00:12:10,273 The lid only comes off when they take it off. 207 00:12:13,317 --> 00:12:17,155 Casey was put into solitary confinement as well. 208 00:12:20,158 --> 00:12:21,451 I kept seeing this young girl, 209 00:12:21,492 --> 00:12:24,454 short black hair, just really petite 210 00:12:24,495 --> 00:12:25,663 and, um... 211 00:12:25,705 --> 00:12:30,752 ** 212 00:12:30,793 --> 00:12:32,336 ...one time, I just waved to her. 213 00:12:32,378 --> 00:12:34,464 [ Laughs ] 214 00:12:34,505 --> 00:12:36,507 Just a little wave. 215 00:12:38,009 --> 00:12:40,344 Looks like these are pictures. Wow. 216 00:12:43,056 --> 00:12:44,640 These are all letters. 217 00:12:45,224 --> 00:12:47,185 I saved everyone's letters. 218 00:12:49,353 --> 00:12:53,107 One day, Casey used sign language 219 00:12:53,149 --> 00:12:58,196 to tell me that she wrote to me and put it in a book 220 00:12:58,237 --> 00:13:00,448 and we started writing back and forth. 221 00:13:00,490 --> 00:13:04,660 We started to get to know each other through letters. 222 00:13:04,702 --> 00:13:06,204 [ Chuckles ] 223 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,665 It's her handwriting. [ Laughs ] 224 00:13:09,707 --> 00:13:11,167 It says, "Cookie." 225 00:13:12,168 --> 00:13:14,712 She called me Cookie. 226 00:13:14,754 --> 00:13:16,339 "I'm an emotional wreck. 227 00:13:16,381 --> 00:13:19,509 I've gotten good at hiding how I feel with most people, 228 00:13:19,550 --> 00:13:22,011 but I can't with you. 229 00:13:22,053 --> 00:13:24,972 We have so very much in common, 230 00:13:25,014 --> 00:13:26,641 both the good and the bad. 231 00:13:26,682 --> 00:13:29,894 I know how it feels to be physically, emotionally, 232 00:13:29,936 --> 00:13:31,437 and mentally abused, 233 00:13:31,479 --> 00:13:34,774 and I also know how it feels to be sexually abused." 234 00:13:34,816 --> 00:13:40,196 ** 235 00:13:40,238 --> 00:13:43,366 -I think that I wrote to Robyn Adams 236 00:13:43,408 --> 00:13:45,576 and told her what had happened to me 237 00:13:45,618 --> 00:13:47,036 because I was really just starting 238 00:13:47,078 --> 00:13:50,206 to come to grips with what had happened. 239 00:13:50,248 --> 00:13:52,375 -"My own brother walking into my room at night 240 00:13:52,417 --> 00:13:54,544 and feeling my breasts while I slept." 241 00:13:54,585 --> 00:13:58,923 ** 242 00:13:58,965 --> 00:14:00,591 [ Sighs ] 243 00:14:02,927 --> 00:14:08,433 -I don't really remember Robyn's response to anything, but... 244 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,228 ...it felt like there was actually someone who understood. 245 00:14:16,232 --> 00:14:17,442 -"Over the past few months, 246 00:14:17,483 --> 00:14:19,902 I've been really having vivid dreams 247 00:14:19,944 --> 00:14:21,904 and it's obvious that they are dreams 248 00:14:21,946 --> 00:14:23,781 of things that have already happened. 249 00:14:23,823 --> 00:14:26,909 I think my dad used to do the same thing to me, 250 00:14:26,951 --> 00:14:28,494 but when I was much younger. 251 00:14:31,164 --> 00:14:34,667 I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was 252 00:14:34,709 --> 00:14:36,753 when I was in elementary school. 253 00:14:36,794 --> 00:14:38,629 And everything gets fuzzy. 254 00:14:38,671 --> 00:14:42,258 But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, 255 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:46,054 the way I used to feel growing up." 256 00:14:46,095 --> 00:14:49,223 -Long before I had ever been arrested, 257 00:14:49,265 --> 00:14:52,310 I had memories of the abuse... 258 00:14:52,977 --> 00:14:57,565 ...but it wasn't until I was isolated from my family in jail 259 00:14:57,607 --> 00:15:00,359 that I started to remember more of the details. 260 00:15:00,401 --> 00:15:03,780 I started to have very clear images and flashbacks, 261 00:15:03,821 --> 00:15:06,699 nightmares and seizures, 262 00:15:06,741 --> 00:15:09,160 all because of things that I was reliving 263 00:15:09,202 --> 00:15:10,703 from what happened with my father. 264 00:15:10,745 --> 00:15:17,377 ** 265 00:15:17,418 --> 00:15:19,837 Even with trying to suppress those feelings 266 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:21,464 and those memories, 267 00:15:21,506 --> 00:15:24,175 I was remembering very specific details. 268 00:15:25,802 --> 00:15:27,804 It wouldn't take much for me to close my eyes 269 00:15:27,845 --> 00:15:31,015 and to hear the sound of my door opening 270 00:15:31,057 --> 00:15:33,476 in the middle of the night. 271 00:15:33,518 --> 00:15:35,186 I'm just a kid laying in my bed 272 00:15:35,228 --> 00:15:37,814 and it was a white daybed with white eyelet bedding. 273 00:15:37,855 --> 00:15:40,233 Everything was white. 274 00:15:44,278 --> 00:15:46,406 And I could smell my father's cologne 275 00:15:46,447 --> 00:15:48,866 before I even opened my eyes. 276 00:15:48,908 --> 00:15:50,993 That cologne. Halston Z-14. 277 00:15:51,035 --> 00:15:56,124 ** 278 00:15:56,165 --> 00:15:58,334 And I could feel him as he 279 00:15:58,376 --> 00:16:00,670 kind of slid me over in my daybed. 280 00:16:03,381 --> 00:16:06,134 And slid himself underneath the covers. 281 00:16:07,468 --> 00:16:11,222 I'm still laying there, acting like I'm asleep. 282 00:16:14,183 --> 00:16:15,685 And he starts to touch me. 283 00:16:16,602 --> 00:16:19,355 Slowly move my hair off of my neck. 284 00:16:21,190 --> 00:16:22,358 [ Exhales forcefully ] 285 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,068 Run his hands down my back... 286 00:16:24,861 --> 00:16:26,279 ...underneath my shirt. 287 00:16:28,030 --> 00:16:30,575 I remember the first time he put his hands down my pants. 288 00:16:31,909 --> 00:16:35,371 Slid from the back, first, and then went around the front. 289 00:16:38,624 --> 00:16:42,211 I was being told that I was safe, that I was okay. 290 00:16:43,171 --> 00:16:44,922 So hard when you're being told, you know, 291 00:16:44,964 --> 00:16:46,215 "This is that special time. 292 00:16:46,257 --> 00:16:47,842 You're Daddy's special little girl." 293 00:16:50,011 --> 00:16:51,596 And talking to you so gently 294 00:16:51,637 --> 00:16:54,807 and starting off being so kind and so nice. 295 00:16:54,849 --> 00:16:56,184 God forbid I fought back. 296 00:16:56,225 --> 00:16:58,144 A few times I do remember trying to fight back. 297 00:16:58,186 --> 00:16:59,937 I was never able to push him off of me. 298 00:16:59,979 --> 00:17:01,439 Pillow goes over my face. 299 00:17:03,024 --> 00:17:05,151 -What do you mean by "pillow goes over my face"? 300 00:17:05,193 --> 00:17:07,195 -He smothered me several times. 301 00:17:07,236 --> 00:17:10,364 -Smothered you so you would pass out? 302 00:17:10,406 --> 00:17:12,241 -Several times. 303 00:17:12,283 --> 00:17:14,660 If I asked for it not to happen. 304 00:17:15,453 --> 00:17:17,914 "Not tonight, please. Not tonight. 305 00:17:17,955 --> 00:17:19,457 I just want to go to sleep." 306 00:17:20,291 --> 00:17:24,545 Wake up the next morning, or even hours later, 307 00:17:24,587 --> 00:17:28,716 knowing that it had happened again. 308 00:17:30,510 --> 00:17:33,930 I was forced to grow up so quickly. 309 00:17:33,971 --> 00:17:36,057 I was no longer allowed to be a little girl. 310 00:17:36,849 --> 00:17:38,643 Could be a little girl sometimes. 311 00:17:39,977 --> 00:17:43,189 But at night, I had to be Daddy's special little girl. 312 00:17:48,111 --> 00:17:49,904 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 313 00:17:49,946 --> 00:17:51,489 -So, at that time, you're talking 314 00:17:51,531 --> 00:17:53,408 to Robyn Adams in the jail? 315 00:17:53,449 --> 00:17:56,035 -Yes. -Had you told your defense team 316 00:17:56,077 --> 00:17:57,870 about the abuse? -No. 317 00:18:00,206 --> 00:18:02,375 It was still really hard to talk about the abuse. 318 00:18:03,209 --> 00:18:07,880 There was so much anger and grief and sadness and shame. 319 00:18:08,965 --> 00:18:12,260 So, I hadn't talked to my team about it yet. 320 00:18:12,301 --> 00:18:14,637 I hadn't said anything to them. 321 00:18:17,140 --> 00:18:22,103 -The media was portraying Casey as this young mother 322 00:18:22,145 --> 00:18:26,524 who was out partying for 30 days while her daughter was missing. 323 00:18:26,566 --> 00:18:28,526 How could that possibly happen? 324 00:18:29,861 --> 00:18:32,655 -Not once has she showed any remorse for her child. 325 00:18:32,697 --> 00:18:35,700 -To go to the nightclubs and dirty dance 326 00:18:35,742 --> 00:18:39,036 with anybody and everybody and then just lies, 327 00:18:39,078 --> 00:18:40,288 just mind-boggling. 328 00:18:40,329 --> 00:18:43,875 -It is the burden of Jose Baez on the defense 329 00:18:43,916 --> 00:18:47,587 to come up with some logical, reasonable explanation, 330 00:18:47,628 --> 00:18:49,714 you know, for her bizarre behavior. 331 00:18:49,756 --> 00:18:51,758 Why did she wait 31 days? 332 00:18:53,217 --> 00:18:55,720 -Part of my role was putting together the puzzle 333 00:18:55,762 --> 00:18:58,765 to bring understanding to Casey's life. 334 00:19:03,019 --> 00:19:07,190 I started working with Casey in July of 2009. 335 00:19:08,775 --> 00:19:12,695 At minimum, we would spend two hours together each visit 336 00:19:12,737 --> 00:19:16,449 and we are, and were, unpacking a lot. 337 00:19:17,158 --> 00:19:18,868 -During the time that I was in jail, 338 00:19:18,910 --> 00:19:21,746 I remember talking to Jeanene about a lot of things. 339 00:19:23,122 --> 00:19:28,628 It was a very slow process because my guard had been up. 340 00:19:30,421 --> 00:19:33,132 But Jeanene was so disarming. 341 00:19:33,174 --> 00:19:37,845 She allowed me to see her and it made it easier for me 342 00:19:37,887 --> 00:19:42,600 to at least start to open up a little bit more 343 00:19:42,642 --> 00:19:44,143 and let my guard down a little bit. 344 00:19:46,729 --> 00:19:48,648 -In one of the interviews, 345 00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:52,568 Casey shared with me that her dad had abused her. 346 00:19:54,487 --> 00:19:57,365 Everything made sense. 347 00:19:57,407 --> 00:19:59,325 I mean, 348 00:19:59,367 --> 00:20:04,205 I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse as well, so. 349 00:20:05,540 --> 00:20:08,501 In that moment, I understood her. 350 00:20:10,044 --> 00:20:13,464 When you've been a victim of sexual abuse, 351 00:20:13,506 --> 00:20:17,135 you pretend that nothing is wrong. 352 00:20:18,344 --> 00:20:22,014 It's the separation of the mind from the actions, right? 353 00:20:22,890 --> 00:20:25,101 That's how Casey can show up, 354 00:20:25,143 --> 00:20:27,895 as if she had no troubles in the world, 355 00:20:27,937 --> 00:20:33,359 during the 31 days where she's lost her baby, Caylee. 356 00:20:33,401 --> 00:20:39,991 ** 357 00:20:40,032 --> 00:20:41,367 Finding evidence, 358 00:20:41,409 --> 00:20:45,121 which is part of my job, as a mitigation specialist, 359 00:20:45,163 --> 00:20:48,416 any evidence of abuse is very difficult, 360 00:20:48,458 --> 00:20:50,293 especially with the passing of time. 361 00:20:51,335 --> 00:20:57,008 But Casey did tell people about being abused, 362 00:20:57,050 --> 00:20:58,760 even before any of this happened. 363 00:20:58,801 --> 00:21:00,178 -Good afternoon, Mr. Grund. 364 00:21:00,219 --> 00:21:01,512 -Good afternoon. 365 00:21:01,554 --> 00:21:03,514 -Jesse was her fiancé. 366 00:21:03,556 --> 00:21:06,350 She trusted Jesse and so 367 00:21:06,392 --> 00:21:08,853 she did disclose to him 368 00:21:08,895 --> 00:21:11,397 about being abused by her brother. 369 00:21:11,439 --> 00:21:13,524 It's something that was shared, 370 00:21:13,566 --> 00:21:17,695 even before Caylee passed in 2008. 371 00:21:18,905 --> 00:21:21,991 -She told me, at one point in recent years, 372 00:21:22,033 --> 00:21:23,659 that she woke up one night 373 00:21:23,701 --> 00:21:25,411 with Lee standing over her in bed, 374 00:21:25,453 --> 00:21:26,704 staring at her sleeping. 375 00:21:26,746 --> 00:21:29,040 And, in another instance, 376 00:21:29,082 --> 00:21:31,292 was groping her in the middle of the night. 377 00:21:32,293 --> 00:21:36,047 -Casey telling Jesse about being abused by her brother, 378 00:21:36,089 --> 00:21:39,300 it doesn't mean that she wasn't abused by her father. 379 00:21:39,342 --> 00:21:42,595 It wouldn't be surprising that she would test the waters. 380 00:21:42,637 --> 00:21:44,055 It's, for whatever reason, 381 00:21:44,097 --> 00:21:46,933 a little bit easier to say, "Oh, my brother." 382 00:21:46,974 --> 00:21:49,852 I think the abuse by her father was a much bigger deal. 383 00:21:51,437 --> 00:21:54,065 -It was always easier to talk about the abuse with my brother. 384 00:21:54,107 --> 00:21:55,733 Because I had already forgiven him 385 00:21:55,775 --> 00:21:58,027 and moved past so much of it, 386 00:21:58,069 --> 00:22:00,113 it made it easier for me to talk about. 387 00:22:03,533 --> 00:22:07,203 Years later, I had told my mom, 388 00:22:07,245 --> 00:22:09,080 while we're sitting on the floor in Caylee's room 389 00:22:09,122 --> 00:22:10,915 and Caylee is just an infant. 390 00:22:12,041 --> 00:22:15,628 And I finally gained the courage to tell her. 391 00:22:16,671 --> 00:22:18,589 -About your brother? What did she say? 392 00:22:18,631 --> 00:22:20,174 -She called me a whore. 393 00:22:20,216 --> 00:22:22,635 Her exact words were, "So that's why you're a whore." 394 00:22:23,636 --> 00:22:25,054 -You feel angry about that? 395 00:22:25,096 --> 00:22:28,015 -I feel hurt. Disgusted. 396 00:22:29,475 --> 00:22:31,310 And, yeah, ashamed. 397 00:22:31,352 --> 00:22:32,895 Still. 398 00:22:33,771 --> 00:22:35,398 How was I going to tell her about... 399 00:22:36,441 --> 00:22:38,234 ...the things that were a thousand times worse 400 00:22:38,276 --> 00:22:39,652 that my father did? 401 00:22:39,694 --> 00:22:43,656 I had never told anyone about my father touching me. 402 00:22:45,658 --> 00:22:48,161 Of course I couldn't tell her. 403 00:22:49,495 --> 00:22:52,623 I didn't want anyone to know that I had been abused, 404 00:22:52,665 --> 00:22:54,292 but I had no choice. 405 00:22:54,792 --> 00:22:56,335 -We have been digging all day 406 00:22:56,377 --> 00:23:01,132 and News 13 continues to uncover new, explosive details 407 00:23:01,174 --> 00:23:03,885 in the hundreds of letters written between Casey Anthony 408 00:23:03,926 --> 00:23:06,179 and another inmate at the Orange County Jail. 409 00:23:08,264 --> 00:23:09,682 -In Florida law, 410 00:23:09,724 --> 00:23:12,977 any bit of evidence that had been collected in the case 411 00:23:13,019 --> 00:23:15,229 was released to the public. 412 00:23:15,271 --> 00:23:18,399 One of the times there was a document dump. 413 00:23:18,441 --> 00:23:19,776 -From a letter right here. 414 00:23:19,817 --> 00:23:21,861 -They were letters that Casey had written 415 00:23:21,903 --> 00:23:24,489 to another inmate in jail. 416 00:23:24,530 --> 00:23:26,240 And it was news for days. 417 00:23:26,282 --> 00:23:30,411 -She says her brother, Lee, began sexually abusing her 418 00:23:30,453 --> 00:23:31,996 when she was 12 years old. 419 00:23:32,038 --> 00:23:34,499 She also writes she thinks her dad 420 00:23:34,540 --> 00:23:36,876 also "used to do the same thing." 421 00:23:38,795 --> 00:23:41,172 -The trauma that she experienced, 422 00:23:41,214 --> 00:23:43,091 I feel like it was sort of glossed over. 423 00:23:43,132 --> 00:23:47,011 We didn't look at trauma the way we do now, 424 00:23:47,053 --> 00:23:48,888 so, it felt like it was a lie. 425 00:23:48,930 --> 00:23:50,640 -Where's Caylee?! 426 00:23:50,681 --> 00:23:51,849 [ Indistinct conversation ] 427 00:23:51,891 --> 00:23:53,476 -Yeah, where's Caylee at?! 428 00:23:53,518 --> 00:23:54,894 -Like my sign? 429 00:23:54,936 --> 00:23:57,522 -Everything was against her. 430 00:23:57,563 --> 00:23:59,190 The world was against her. 431 00:23:59,232 --> 00:24:01,317 The way she was being portrayed in the media. 432 00:24:02,735 --> 00:24:04,737 -At that point, Casey had not 433 00:24:04,779 --> 00:24:06,739 told anyone working on the team 434 00:24:06,781 --> 00:24:09,909 about the abuse, except for me. 435 00:24:09,951 --> 00:24:12,412 She had not told Jose. 436 00:24:12,453 --> 00:24:14,455 And so I said to Casey, 437 00:24:14,497 --> 00:24:17,291 "Be open and transparent, Casey," right? 438 00:24:18,292 --> 00:24:21,838 I helped the team identify psychologists 439 00:24:21,879 --> 00:24:26,259 who speak to grief, who would speak to PTSD. 440 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:30,054 ** 441 00:24:30,096 --> 00:24:31,848 -Of all the doctors, 442 00:24:31,889 --> 00:24:34,809 Harry was the the easiest to talk to, Dr. Krop. 443 00:24:34,851 --> 00:24:37,478 He was the most disarming, I think. 444 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,063 He the easiest delivery. 445 00:24:39,105 --> 00:24:41,315 There was no pressure of anything. 446 00:24:41,357 --> 00:24:43,025 -I'm Harry Krop. 447 00:24:43,067 --> 00:24:45,987 I saw Casey four times 448 00:24:46,028 --> 00:24:49,115 at the request of the attorneys on the case. 449 00:24:49,782 --> 00:24:51,701 Initially, I evaluated her 450 00:24:51,743 --> 00:24:55,121 to assess her psychological status. 451 00:24:57,123 --> 00:24:59,417 Because of her pattern of deception, 452 00:24:59,459 --> 00:25:02,920 I had to ask myself, in this case, 453 00:25:02,962 --> 00:25:05,048 whether she was telling me the truth. 454 00:25:05,089 --> 00:25:06,924 The media portrayed her 455 00:25:06,966 --> 00:25:10,386 as a psychopath, a psychopathic liar. 456 00:25:10,428 --> 00:25:13,598 -I could see, with my experience, into her mind 457 00:25:13,639 --> 00:25:17,393 and I found her to be very narcissistic and a sociopath. 458 00:25:17,435 --> 00:25:20,313 -You said that you think she's a psychopath, right? 459 00:25:20,354 --> 00:25:22,774 -Absolutely. 460 00:25:22,815 --> 00:25:28,279 -The second appointment I had with Casey, I gave her the MMPI, 461 00:25:28,321 --> 00:25:30,990 which is a commonly used psychological test. 462 00:25:31,699 --> 00:25:35,119 There's actually scales for psychopathy on the MMPI. 463 00:25:36,162 --> 00:25:40,124 There was no diagnosable psychiatric disorder 464 00:25:40,166 --> 00:25:43,628 or any diagnosable personality disorder, 465 00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:47,090 including being a psychopath, 466 00:25:47,131 --> 00:25:49,133 which I think the other psychologists 467 00:25:49,175 --> 00:25:51,928 and mental health professionals who evaluated her 468 00:25:51,969 --> 00:25:54,013 certainly also discovered. 469 00:25:58,309 --> 00:26:01,062 -There was no sign of psychosis. 470 00:26:01,104 --> 00:26:02,355 I mean, we could go down the list. 471 00:26:02,397 --> 00:26:05,024 There just wasn't any sign of anything. 472 00:26:05,066 --> 00:26:06,651 -Not a sociopath? 473 00:26:06,692 --> 00:26:08,945 -Not remotely. 474 00:26:08,986 --> 00:26:10,780 -I'm joined by Harry Krop. 475 00:26:10,822 --> 00:26:13,116 He is a forensic psychologist. 476 00:26:13,157 --> 00:26:14,992 Does she have what we call 477 00:26:15,034 --> 00:26:17,703 borderline traits or sociopathic traits? 478 00:26:17,745 --> 00:26:19,997 -No, she doesn't have those traits, either. 479 00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:21,666 -That's impossible! I can't believe that! 480 00:26:21,707 --> 00:26:23,042 Wait a minute, Doctor. I can't believe it. 481 00:26:23,084 --> 00:26:24,627 She's created a vortex. 482 00:26:24,669 --> 00:26:25,878 She's a chronic liar. 483 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,171 She's engaging in criminal behavior. 484 00:26:27,213 --> 00:26:28,673 How is that possible? 485 00:26:28,715 --> 00:26:31,843 -We had a little bit of a combative back-and-forth 486 00:26:31,884 --> 00:26:33,511 when I was on that show. 487 00:26:33,553 --> 00:26:37,390 But bottom line, she didn't have those type of disorders. 488 00:26:38,725 --> 00:26:43,187 She indicated that her father sexually abused her 489 00:26:43,229 --> 00:26:45,231 extensively as a child. 490 00:26:45,898 --> 00:26:51,070 And I did believe that Casey was sexually abused, 491 00:26:51,112 --> 00:26:53,990 which is what the other psychologists heard. 492 00:26:54,031 --> 00:26:59,370 ** 493 00:26:59,412 --> 00:27:03,207 The testing shows these intrusive images 494 00:27:03,249 --> 00:27:05,293 that she has under stress 495 00:27:05,334 --> 00:27:07,837 or when she talks about the sexual abuse. 496 00:27:07,879 --> 00:27:09,297 She was fairly detailed. 497 00:27:09,338 --> 00:27:14,302 ** 498 00:27:15,970 --> 00:27:18,723 -And what about this allegation that George molested Casey? 499 00:27:18,765 --> 00:27:19,891 What did you think of that? 500 00:27:19,932 --> 00:27:22,393 -I don't think that's true. 501 00:27:22,435 --> 00:27:24,604 I think there have been a lot of things, you know, said 502 00:27:24,645 --> 00:27:27,398 that were just made up for whatever reason. 503 00:27:28,191 --> 00:27:30,818 We never found any evidence of that. 504 00:27:30,860 --> 00:27:32,070 There was never anything to suggest that, 505 00:27:32,111 --> 00:27:34,530 other than these letters from Casey. 506 00:27:34,572 --> 00:27:36,449 [ Scoffs ] Would you believe her, 507 00:27:36,491 --> 00:27:38,701 I mean, given the story that she's told? 508 00:27:38,743 --> 00:27:40,536 [ Birds chirping ] 509 00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:45,374 -Thirty-one days, no Caylee. 510 00:27:45,416 --> 00:27:48,669 No report to law enforcement that, "My daughter's missing." 511 00:27:48,711 --> 00:27:50,213 Like what the hell? 512 00:27:50,254 --> 00:27:51,506 I was like, "Where was Casey? 513 00:27:51,547 --> 00:27:53,341 Where was the mother of this child?" 514 00:27:55,802 --> 00:27:58,471 -What are you looking at there? 515 00:27:58,513 --> 00:28:00,515 -I guess to some, this would be 516 00:28:00,556 --> 00:28:03,184 a photograph of a grieving mother trying 517 00:28:03,226 --> 00:28:04,685 to find her missing daughter. 518 00:28:06,104 --> 00:28:07,522 [ Laughs ] 519 00:28:15,071 --> 00:28:16,364 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 520 00:28:16,406 --> 00:28:18,658 -Tell me about your behavior -- 521 00:28:18,699 --> 00:28:21,202 leaving the house and then the 31 days. 522 00:28:21,953 --> 00:28:25,581 The media and the public have used this, 523 00:28:25,623 --> 00:28:28,710 again and again, as a hammer to hammer you with. 524 00:28:28,751 --> 00:28:30,294 -Yeah. 525 00:28:30,336 --> 00:28:38,469 ** 526 00:28:38,511 --> 00:28:41,347 ** 527 00:28:41,389 --> 00:28:42,849 [ Emergency brake cranks ] 528 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,689 This is the building where Tony Lazzaro, Clint House, 529 00:28:49,731 --> 00:28:53,109 and his other roommates used to live. 530 00:28:53,151 --> 00:28:55,903 Tony and I had been seeing each other a couple of months. 531 00:28:55,945 --> 00:28:58,239 The day my father took Caylee away, 532 00:28:58,281 --> 00:29:02,952 this is where I came after I left my house that afternoon. 533 00:29:02,994 --> 00:29:07,039 I think I stayed here about three weeks out of the 31 days. 534 00:29:11,127 --> 00:29:12,795 I just tried to... 535 00:29:14,047 --> 00:29:15,590 [ Sighs ] 536 00:29:15,631 --> 00:29:17,592 ...be as normal as I could around him 537 00:29:17,633 --> 00:29:19,135 and even around his roommates. 538 00:29:21,721 --> 00:29:25,725 That was part of the main instruction from my dad 539 00:29:25,767 --> 00:29:28,811 was just to be as normal as possible. 540 00:29:28,853 --> 00:29:32,565 -Nothing was out of the ordinary during the 31 days. 541 00:29:32,607 --> 00:29:35,610 She just seemed like her totally normal self. 542 00:29:39,906 --> 00:29:42,950 -I couldn't show that there was anything going on 543 00:29:42,992 --> 00:29:44,869 to anyone else. 544 00:29:44,911 --> 00:29:46,871 All of the photos that people see of me out 545 00:29:46,913 --> 00:29:48,873 during those 31 days, I wasn't out partying. 546 00:29:48,915 --> 00:29:51,417 You don't see drinks in my hand. 547 00:29:51,459 --> 00:29:53,378 I was there actually working. 548 00:29:53,419 --> 00:29:56,839 I was there helping Tony promote. 549 00:29:56,881 --> 00:29:59,384 -But you weren't going through the cycles of grief. 550 00:29:59,425 --> 00:30:01,886 -No. During the 31 days, 551 00:30:01,928 --> 00:30:04,722 I genuinely believed that Caylee was still alive. 552 00:30:04,764 --> 00:30:06,974 My father kept telling me she was okay. 553 00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:12,021 I just had to keep following his instructions. 554 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,110 There were no threats. 555 00:30:17,151 --> 00:30:19,612 I just knew that I had to do what he wanted me to do, 556 00:30:19,654 --> 00:30:21,656 in the same reason that I knew that since the time 557 00:30:21,697 --> 00:30:24,242 I was 8 years old. 558 00:30:24,283 --> 00:30:26,285 Just do what he wants. 559 00:30:26,327 --> 00:30:28,079 It worked before. Do it now. 560 00:30:28,121 --> 00:30:30,415 -So when you shut down, you became robotic. 561 00:30:30,456 --> 00:30:33,084 -I did what I needed to do to survive. 562 00:30:33,126 --> 00:30:34,669 People also don't know when you're crying 563 00:30:34,711 --> 00:30:37,463 in a bathroom alone, 564 00:30:37,505 --> 00:30:39,132 trying to pull yourself together. 565 00:30:41,634 --> 00:30:43,010 You can never see behind closed doors 566 00:30:43,052 --> 00:30:44,846 unless someone chooses to let you in. 567 00:30:44,887 --> 00:30:50,143 ** 568 00:30:50,184 --> 00:30:54,021 I was in contact with my father daily, 569 00:30:54,063 --> 00:30:56,816 but whether or not I saw him at the house 570 00:30:56,858 --> 00:30:58,568 or we talked on the phone... 571 00:30:58,609 --> 00:31:00,111 Check my cellphone records. 572 00:31:00,153 --> 00:31:01,362 The phone records -- 573 00:31:01,404 --> 00:31:04,157 my phone pings had me calling Hopespring Drive 574 00:31:04,198 --> 00:31:07,535 again and again and again when my mom was at work. 575 00:31:08,911 --> 00:31:11,247 -And what were you saying to him? 576 00:31:11,289 --> 00:31:13,708 -I just wanted answers. When am I going to see her? 577 00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:15,460 How much longer are we going to keep doing this? 578 00:31:15,501 --> 00:31:17,545 Is she okay? 579 00:31:17,587 --> 00:31:20,256 That I remember. 580 00:31:20,298 --> 00:31:23,259 -And what would he say? -He would tell me she was fine. 581 00:31:23,301 --> 00:31:26,345 "Just keep doing what I'm telling you to do. 582 00:31:26,387 --> 00:31:28,431 You guys will be reunited soon." 583 00:31:28,473 --> 00:31:29,849 That's what sticks with me. 584 00:31:29,891 --> 00:31:33,102 He told me at one point, we would be reunited soon. 585 00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:38,733 -Did he describe where Caylee was or what she was doing? 586 00:31:38,775 --> 00:31:41,736 -No. Wouldn't tell me anything. 587 00:31:41,778 --> 00:31:43,863 I would ask if he knew where she was, 588 00:31:43,905 --> 00:31:46,532 and he would just tell me she was safe. 589 00:31:48,785 --> 00:31:53,456 When you're physically afraid of another human being 590 00:31:53,498 --> 00:31:57,251 and you were conditioned to say and do 591 00:31:57,293 --> 00:32:01,881 what they wanted you to say and do, even as an adult, 592 00:32:01,923 --> 00:32:05,885 you're still going to revert right back to it. 593 00:32:05,927 --> 00:32:08,304 -So you really believed he would have kidnapped her from you 594 00:32:08,346 --> 00:32:09,722 and put you through all of that? 595 00:32:09,764 --> 00:32:11,391 That made sense to you that he would do that? 596 00:32:11,432 --> 00:32:13,184 -At the time it did. 597 00:32:13,226 --> 00:32:14,685 -It just seems incredible. 598 00:32:14,727 --> 00:32:17,313 For 31 days, you're still in that space of... 599 00:32:17,355 --> 00:32:19,399 -I was still in that space even a couple of weeks later 600 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,402 when I was in jail. 601 00:32:22,443 --> 00:32:23,903 Hopeful. 602 00:32:25,863 --> 00:32:28,699 -What's your gut telling you right now? 603 00:32:28,741 --> 00:32:31,869 -My gut's telling me that she's okay. 604 00:32:31,911 --> 00:32:35,706 -Okay. And your gut tells you that she's close or some-- 605 00:32:35,748 --> 00:32:37,750 She's -- She's hiding. 606 00:32:37,792 --> 00:32:39,210 -She's not far. 607 00:32:39,252 --> 00:32:41,421 I know in my heart, she's not far. 608 00:32:41,462 --> 00:32:43,798 I can feel it. -Okay. 609 00:32:46,426 --> 00:32:48,720 Okay. 610 00:32:48,761 --> 00:32:51,639 Alright. -Oh, God. 611 00:32:51,681 --> 00:32:54,058 My mom is asking me if I think Caylee's okay, 612 00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:57,770 and I tell her yes, but I'm looking at my father... 613 00:32:59,063 --> 00:33:02,525 ...because I wanted to believe it so bad. 614 00:33:02,567 --> 00:33:05,403 [ Crying ] 615 00:33:05,445 --> 00:33:07,405 I really wanted to believe him. 616 00:33:07,447 --> 00:33:09,574 Maybe that's the disassociation. 617 00:33:09,615 --> 00:33:12,160 Maybe that's the... 618 00:33:12,201 --> 00:33:15,288 trying to protect myself from the pain 619 00:33:15,329 --> 00:33:19,917 of having known deep down [sniffles] all along 620 00:33:19,959 --> 00:33:22,420 that something happened and I didn't want to confront it. 621 00:33:22,462 --> 00:33:23,921 I don't know. 622 00:33:23,963 --> 00:33:26,215 I regret every day 623 00:33:26,257 --> 00:33:28,968 that I didn't come forward about what he did to me. 624 00:33:29,010 --> 00:33:31,596 I regret every day that I lied to my mom during that time 625 00:33:31,637 --> 00:33:34,682 because I didn't know what to say, too. 626 00:33:36,934 --> 00:33:41,314 I wish it were a simple answer and a simple explanation. 627 00:33:41,355 --> 00:33:44,901 Nothing about trauma or abuse is ever simple 628 00:33:44,942 --> 00:33:48,029 because you're just trying to survive. 629 00:33:48,071 --> 00:33:51,491 I was convinced that she was okay... 630 00:33:51,532 --> 00:33:53,993 until December of 2008. 631 00:33:57,789 --> 00:34:00,083 -This morning at approximately 9:30 a.m., 632 00:34:00,124 --> 00:34:02,126 we had a call to the sheriff's office regarding a discovery 633 00:34:02,168 --> 00:34:04,337 that was made by an Orange County meter employee 634 00:34:04,379 --> 00:34:06,464 who had gone into the woods. 635 00:34:06,506 --> 00:34:07,924 A bag was found there. 636 00:34:07,965 --> 00:34:09,801 -We recovered this human skull. 637 00:34:09,842 --> 00:34:12,345 It appears to be that of a small child. 638 00:34:12,387 --> 00:34:14,097 Now the investigation continues. 639 00:34:14,138 --> 00:34:17,475 -Skeletal remains discovered 15 houses away 640 00:34:17,517 --> 00:34:18,935 from the Anthony home. 641 00:34:22,021 --> 00:34:25,983 -They sent a couple officers to come into the room 642 00:34:26,025 --> 00:34:27,610 that I was staying in. 643 00:34:27,652 --> 00:34:31,406 So they walk me down the hall, I walk into the nurse's station. 644 00:34:31,447 --> 00:34:33,741 Still have me handcuffed. 645 00:34:33,783 --> 00:34:36,869 And set me down in the waiting area. 646 00:34:39,163 --> 00:34:43,000 They have a TV on, though, in the far corner, 647 00:34:43,042 --> 00:34:47,630 and it's the live footage. 648 00:34:47,672 --> 00:34:52,218 And all you see across the bottom is "Body found." 649 00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:55,888 And I'm listening to them start to say... 650 00:35:02,895 --> 00:35:06,357 And I lose it. 651 00:35:06,399 --> 00:35:07,900 Couldn't breathe. 652 00:35:10,445 --> 00:35:13,364 That was the confirmation that she wasn't coming home. 653 00:35:16,242 --> 00:35:18,453 Because all of that time, I still held on 654 00:35:18,494 --> 00:35:20,538 to that shred of hope that she'd be okay. 655 00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:27,879 ** 656 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:35,219 ** 657 00:35:35,261 --> 00:35:38,806 -The officer let me talk to her. 658 00:35:38,848 --> 00:35:41,476 It was the first time we held hands. 659 00:35:44,145 --> 00:35:46,105 And we just cried together. 660 00:35:49,901 --> 00:35:53,738 Her eyes were just bloodshot. Her face was red. 661 00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:59,327 ** 662 00:35:59,368 --> 00:36:02,330 It was horrible. 663 00:36:02,371 --> 00:36:05,041 At that point, all hope was gone. 664 00:36:07,877 --> 00:36:10,713 -Sheriff Beary, Joyce Dawley, 665 00:36:10,755 --> 00:36:14,258 Dr. Jan Garavaglia. 666 00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:16,511 -With regret, I'm here to inform you 667 00:36:16,552 --> 00:36:20,098 that the skeletal remains found on December 11th 668 00:36:20,139 --> 00:36:23,559 are those of the missing toddler, Caylee Anthony. 669 00:36:26,896 --> 00:36:30,233 This identification was made by nuclear DNA 670 00:36:30,274 --> 00:36:32,527 taken from a portion of the remains 671 00:36:32,568 --> 00:36:37,115 and compared to a known profile of Caylee Anthony. 672 00:36:37,156 --> 00:36:40,034 -We're told that a jail chaplain informed Casey Anthony 673 00:36:40,076 --> 00:36:42,787 that her daughter's remains have been identified. 674 00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:45,081 -She is behind bars right now at the Orange County Jail. 675 00:36:45,123 --> 00:36:46,749 She is charged with murder. 676 00:36:46,791 --> 00:36:52,922 ** 677 00:36:52,964 --> 00:36:56,884 -[ Sniffling ] 678 00:36:56,926 --> 00:37:00,096 Yes, I was naive. Yes, I was dumb. 679 00:37:00,138 --> 00:37:04,183 Clearly, no matter how smart I was, I was dumb. 680 00:37:04,225 --> 00:37:06,602 This whole time leading up to that, 681 00:37:06,644 --> 00:37:08,146 I thought that there was a chance 682 00:37:08,187 --> 00:37:10,565 she could still be alive. 683 00:37:10,606 --> 00:37:13,151 I was telling the truth about... 684 00:37:13,192 --> 00:37:15,194 I thought there was still a chance. 685 00:37:18,531 --> 00:37:21,117 It's an instinct you're supposed to have as a parent to know 686 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:22,952 something is wrong with your child. 687 00:37:22,994 --> 00:37:24,871 I should've known. 688 00:37:24,912 --> 00:37:32,420 ** 689 00:37:32,462 --> 00:37:34,922 [ Sobbing ] 690 00:37:44,015 --> 00:37:49,062 ** 691 00:37:49,103 --> 00:37:52,023 -This is a major, major development. 692 00:37:52,065 --> 00:37:56,027 Now the test will be, do the forensics match 693 00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:57,570 the circumstantial evidence? 694 00:37:57,612 --> 00:38:00,907 -They know where the child was, how she was disposed of. 695 00:38:00,948 --> 00:38:02,241 Hopefully, there is a lot 696 00:38:02,283 --> 00:38:03,701 of forensic evidence they can use here. 697 00:38:03,743 --> 00:38:07,080 -This is completely a forensic story now. 698 00:38:07,121 --> 00:38:12,794 ** 699 00:38:12,835 --> 00:38:18,132 ** 700 00:38:18,174 --> 00:38:23,596 -So down here on Suburban Drive is where the recovery was made, 701 00:38:23,638 --> 00:38:26,391 just down around the corner from the Anthony home. 702 00:38:26,432 --> 00:38:31,938 ** 703 00:38:31,979 --> 00:38:35,858 Looks much different than it did on the day of the discovery. 704 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:42,824 ** 705 00:38:42,865 --> 00:38:49,789 ** 706 00:38:49,831 --> 00:38:52,959 Eric. -John, how are you? 707 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,752 -Good. You? -Good. Thanks. 708 00:38:54,794 --> 00:39:00,466 ** 709 00:39:00,508 --> 00:39:03,970 Definitely in the ballpark location where when we came out, 710 00:39:04,011 --> 00:39:07,598 you know, we made our first entry to go down there. 711 00:39:11,018 --> 00:39:13,521 She would have been right down in here in the flagged area. 712 00:39:13,563 --> 00:39:16,566 We're not very far from that location right here. 713 00:39:16,607 --> 00:39:21,237 -Kind of standing about where -- where it was. 714 00:39:21,279 --> 00:39:24,282 When Caylee's body was found, 715 00:39:24,323 --> 00:39:27,994 there was duct tape wrapped around her head. 716 00:39:28,035 --> 00:39:30,830 I remember seeing the duct tape. 717 00:39:30,872 --> 00:39:32,582 -Yeah, the duct tape. 718 00:39:32,623 --> 00:39:36,002 I remember how her hair kind of rolled around 719 00:39:36,044 --> 00:39:37,378 and made almost like she was resting 720 00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:39,380 in a bird's nest of hair. 721 00:39:39,422 --> 00:39:42,675 She would have been in two black plastic bags 722 00:39:42,717 --> 00:39:45,303 and a large laundry bag, 723 00:39:45,344 --> 00:39:48,723 and there was a Winnie the Pooh blanket with the remains. 724 00:39:48,765 --> 00:39:50,016 -Right. 725 00:39:50,058 --> 00:39:53,478 -Those are items that jumped out at me. 726 00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:55,855 -There was a big effort on the part of law enforcement 727 00:39:55,897 --> 00:39:58,357 to try to trace items found at the crime scene 728 00:39:58,399 --> 00:40:00,193 there where Caylee's body was found back 729 00:40:00,234 --> 00:40:04,030 to items recovered at the Anthony home. 730 00:40:04,072 --> 00:40:05,281 -The bag that she was in, 731 00:40:05,323 --> 00:40:07,533 the laundry bag was part of a set. 732 00:40:07,575 --> 00:40:11,329 And we found the other part of the set at the house. 733 00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:13,706 The duct tape wrapped around her head 734 00:40:13,748 --> 00:40:16,501 was a specific brand of duct tape. 735 00:40:16,542 --> 00:40:19,837 That same duct tape was found at the Anthony home. 736 00:40:19,879 --> 00:40:24,050 -The Winnie the Pooh blanket matched the bed sheet 737 00:40:24,092 --> 00:40:26,636 from the child's bedroom. 738 00:40:26,677 --> 00:40:28,721 -It turned out there were a lot of things at the scene 739 00:40:28,763 --> 00:40:32,266 that linked to the home. 740 00:40:32,308 --> 00:40:35,895 -So what happened? 741 00:40:35,937 --> 00:40:39,482 -It appeared that a person from the Anthony home 742 00:40:39,524 --> 00:40:41,401 taped her face up with duct tape, 743 00:40:41,442 --> 00:40:43,986 stuffed her in a trash bag, 744 00:40:44,028 --> 00:40:48,825 dumped her in the woods down the street from the house. 745 00:40:48,866 --> 00:40:51,160 -Based on available information, 746 00:40:51,202 --> 00:40:53,996 including examination of the body, 747 00:40:54,038 --> 00:40:55,873 information from the scene, 748 00:40:55,915 --> 00:40:58,793 the manner of death in this case is homicide. 749 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,342 -There was, in fact, some tape on the mouth of Caylee Anthony. 750 00:41:06,384 --> 00:41:08,469 That changes the game. -Well, sure, it does. 751 00:41:08,511 --> 00:41:10,722 I think it shows that the child incurred suffering 752 00:41:10,763 --> 00:41:13,307 and they'll go after her for the death penalty now, 753 00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:15,518 mother or no mother. 754 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,353 -There was no question in their minds 755 00:41:17,395 --> 00:41:20,356 about whether or not I did anything. 756 00:41:20,398 --> 00:41:22,275 I wasn't the only one living at home. 757 00:41:22,316 --> 00:41:25,194 But they didn't go and ask anyone in the family 758 00:41:25,236 --> 00:41:28,406 about garbage bags and duct tape. 759 00:41:28,448 --> 00:41:29,907 -Tonight, a big breaker, 760 00:41:29,949 --> 00:41:33,119 a shocker in the case against Casey Anthony. 761 00:41:33,161 --> 00:41:35,246 Prosecutors announced they will -- 762 00:41:35,288 --> 00:41:37,498 Yes, they will seek the death penalty 763 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:39,459 against the 23-year-old for the murder 764 00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:41,836 of her precious 2-year-old daughter, Caylee. 765 00:41:41,878 --> 00:41:45,173 ** 766 00:41:45,214 --> 00:41:49,844 -One thing that those of us who do death-penalty work, 767 00:41:49,886 --> 00:41:54,515 what we know is, even though our clients might be innocent, 768 00:41:54,557 --> 00:41:57,060 there is a very high likelihood 769 00:41:57,101 --> 00:41:59,812 that there can be a guilty verdict. 770 00:41:59,854 --> 00:42:02,065 I had those conversations with Casey. 771 00:42:02,106 --> 00:42:05,109 "We have to really be able to tell your story." 772 00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:08,988 -Can you talk to me about the process of deciding 773 00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:12,742 to tell your defense team about what happened with Caylee? 774 00:42:14,202 --> 00:42:16,996 -It's still not a conversation I've really had in depth 775 00:42:17,038 --> 00:42:19,499 with any of them to this day. 776 00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:24,670 And the desire was to never again open those boxes 777 00:42:24,712 --> 00:42:28,841 to never have to relive those things that happened. 778 00:42:28,883 --> 00:42:37,517 ** 779 00:42:37,558 --> 00:42:40,353 -I got involved in the Casey Anthony case 780 00:42:40,395 --> 00:42:43,815 on the day Caylee's remains were found. 781 00:42:43,856 --> 00:42:45,483 She was facing the death penalty. 782 00:42:45,525 --> 00:42:48,611 So I was going to start an investigation. 783 00:42:48,653 --> 00:42:53,199 We're trying to find out what happened here. 784 00:42:53,241 --> 00:42:56,536 The second day I was in Orlando, 785 00:42:56,577 --> 00:43:00,498 I was brought over to Hopespring to meet the family, 786 00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:04,669 and Cindy was on the phone as I'm being introduced, 787 00:43:04,711 --> 00:43:06,671 telling George, the husband, 788 00:43:06,713 --> 00:43:09,757 "Geraldo's on the phone, wants us at 9:00, 789 00:43:09,799 --> 00:43:12,635 but we're already booked for the 'Today' show." 790 00:43:12,677 --> 00:43:15,555 They had a guy on the floor with a computer saying, 791 00:43:15,596 --> 00:43:18,641 "Well, we raised $27,000 for our foundation 792 00:43:18,683 --> 00:43:21,978 to help other parents find their children when they go missing." 793 00:43:22,019 --> 00:43:26,524 It hit me like, "Wow, that's not how I would be acting." 794 00:43:26,566 --> 00:43:30,278 The dynamics of what's happening that day and, you know, 795 00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:33,448 this is after the remains have been found. 796 00:43:33,489 --> 00:43:35,408 Caylee's gone. I'd have been a mess. 797 00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:38,286 It just was kind of crazy to me. 798 00:43:39,996 --> 00:43:46,461 I went to Casey's room and saw this monument to Caylee. 799 00:43:46,502 --> 00:43:48,337 These pictures all over the wall 800 00:43:48,379 --> 00:43:50,923 told me a story of a very loving mother. 801 00:43:50,965 --> 00:43:54,886 Casey took 20 a day of her daughter. 802 00:43:57,972 --> 00:43:59,807 The next weekend, I had to come back. 803 00:43:59,849 --> 00:44:03,686 I said, "I'll be back, and I'd like to talk to Cindy." 804 00:44:03,728 --> 00:44:06,773 She showed up late Sunday night with George 805 00:44:06,814 --> 00:44:11,736 and...they were towing a -- like, a bass boat 806 00:44:11,778 --> 00:44:14,655 that was totally tricked out, freshly painted, 807 00:44:14,697 --> 00:44:19,452 "Call 1-800 missing children" on the side of it. 808 00:44:19,494 --> 00:44:21,871 -It's the SS Caylee Marie. 809 00:44:21,913 --> 00:44:24,457 That's my granddaughter. In honor of my granddaughter. 810 00:44:24,499 --> 00:44:27,335 -They get out. Cindy's sunburnt. 811 00:44:27,377 --> 00:44:30,838 They've been out on this boat all day long. 812 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,841 They said, "We want to do a sea trial for this boat" 813 00:44:33,883 --> 00:44:35,968 that they must have got through their foundation. 814 00:44:36,010 --> 00:44:39,764 And I'm again thinking, "Well, if I was in their shoes, 815 00:44:39,806 --> 00:44:41,307 it was my daughter, my granddaughter, 816 00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:43,393 I doubt if I'd be go getting a boat 817 00:44:43,434 --> 00:44:47,146 to go look for other missing children on a frickin' lake." 818 00:44:47,188 --> 00:44:48,314 It made no sense. 819 00:44:48,356 --> 00:44:50,400 It just was more of that insanity 820 00:44:50,441 --> 00:44:52,026 pulling me into the case. 821 00:44:52,068 --> 00:44:55,738 And I remember coming out and Jose Baez, Casey's attorney, 822 00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:58,658 and he says, "What did you think, Pat?" 823 00:44:58,699 --> 00:45:02,620 I said, "You know, I still don't have enough information 824 00:45:02,662 --> 00:45:06,374 because I can't connect that girl killing that baby. 825 00:45:06,416 --> 00:45:10,753 But there's something really fucked up about this family." 826 00:45:10,795 --> 00:45:19,637 ** 827 00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:22,640 -Pat McKenna was part of my defense team. 828 00:45:22,682 --> 00:45:27,353 After everything was done with my case, after the trial, 829 00:45:27,395 --> 00:45:33,443 long after July of 2011, my defense team, 830 00:45:33,484 --> 00:45:35,695 they truly became my family. 831 00:45:35,737 --> 00:45:41,492 And we've chosen to still stay banded because 832 00:45:41,534 --> 00:45:45,455 we truly do look at one another as -- 833 00:45:45,496 --> 00:45:47,707 as not just colleagues and war buddies, 834 00:45:47,749 --> 00:45:51,878 but as -- as family and friends. 835 00:45:51,919 --> 00:45:55,381 And I love these people so much -- 836 00:45:55,423 --> 00:45:59,385 Liz, Pat, Dorothy, Cheney. 837 00:45:59,427 --> 00:46:03,431 So we are on our way now to Liz's house. 838 00:46:06,768 --> 00:46:09,353 It just gives me so much peace seeing them. 839 00:46:09,395 --> 00:46:14,400 ** 840 00:46:14,442 --> 00:46:16,819 Hi! 841 00:46:16,861 --> 00:46:18,362 [ Laughs ] 842 00:46:18,404 --> 00:46:21,616 -Hi, honey. How are you? 843 00:46:27,288 --> 00:46:29,749 -Hi. -Hi. 844 00:46:29,791 --> 00:46:32,418 -[ Sighs ] I've been crying all day. 845 00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:35,671 [ Sniffles ] -Oh, my God. 846 00:46:35,713 --> 00:46:37,465 -Oh, I'm tired. 847 00:46:39,884 --> 00:46:42,595 -When I first met Casey Anthony, 848 00:46:42,637 --> 00:46:46,641 I was struck by how small she is. 849 00:46:46,682 --> 00:46:51,104 This small, very young woman is brought into a room 850 00:46:51,145 --> 00:46:53,314 to meet her attorneys. 851 00:46:53,356 --> 00:46:55,608 And as she's sitting there, 852 00:46:55,650 --> 00:47:00,154 you realize she's in a cage alone all day 853 00:47:00,196 --> 00:47:03,449 in solitary confinement at the Orange County Jail. 854 00:47:03,491 --> 00:47:09,122 I think what struck me is she's got a sense of strength. 855 00:47:09,163 --> 00:47:11,249 There's just such a survivor in her. 856 00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:14,043 -I'm okay. 857 00:47:14,085 --> 00:47:15,378 You know me. 858 00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:17,088 It'll be alright. 859 00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:22,260 -Casey, at the time, wasn't one to really share every aspect 860 00:47:22,301 --> 00:47:24,762 of her difficulties and pain. 861 00:47:24,804 --> 00:47:27,557 She's become much more comfortable with that over time. 862 00:47:27,598 --> 00:47:35,022 ** 863 00:47:35,064 --> 00:47:37,775 At the beginning of the Casey Anthony case, 864 00:47:37,817 --> 00:47:40,820 I was really behind the scenes reviewing evidence 865 00:47:40,862 --> 00:47:44,991 and doing motion work for Cheney Mason. 866 00:47:45,032 --> 00:47:49,495 Jose Baez had been her attorney for an extended period of time, 867 00:47:49,537 --> 00:47:51,080 and he was required 868 00:47:51,122 --> 00:47:54,500 to get a death-qualified attorney on that. 869 00:47:54,542 --> 00:47:56,294 And that's where Cheney came in. 870 00:47:59,130 --> 00:48:00,506 Do you want to sit up at the counter 871 00:48:00,548 --> 00:48:01,966 and I'll get you a drink? 872 00:48:02,008 --> 00:48:04,260 -It's too early to start drinking. 873 00:48:04,302 --> 00:48:07,805 [ Laughter ] 874 00:48:07,847 --> 00:48:11,726 Mr. Baez started calling my office 875 00:48:11,768 --> 00:48:14,062 and I went to meet Casey. 876 00:48:14,103 --> 00:48:19,317 And after I met her in the jail, whatever, 877 00:48:19,358 --> 00:48:23,905 my instincts or intuition are, from being an old man 878 00:48:23,946 --> 00:48:25,865 and a long-term lawyer, 879 00:48:25,907 --> 00:48:31,537 I decided that I would step in and help her. 880 00:48:31,579 --> 00:48:35,041 I took some pictures. 881 00:48:35,083 --> 00:48:38,378 There's a mama deer and a baby deer. 882 00:48:38,419 --> 00:48:40,630 -Oh, there they are. 883 00:48:40,671 --> 00:48:42,632 Right up against your screened-in porch. 884 00:48:42,673 --> 00:48:44,050 -Yeah. 885 00:48:44,092 --> 00:48:45,927 -Wow. 886 00:48:45,968 --> 00:48:49,806 -Casey -- her phone number is on my phone. 887 00:48:49,847 --> 00:48:52,558 She can call me any time she wants to. 888 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:58,898 I have tried something in excess of 350 jury trials. 889 00:48:58,940 --> 00:49:04,153 Of all of the people that I have defended of serious crimes, 890 00:49:04,195 --> 00:49:09,992 I can't think of any other that I've invited into my home. 891 00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:13,371 I've spent well over 2,000 hours on this case, 892 00:49:13,413 --> 00:49:15,123 well over $1,000,000. 893 00:49:15,164 --> 00:49:17,792 But once we were in it, we were in it. 894 00:49:17,834 --> 00:49:20,336 There wasn't -- There was no quitting. 895 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,260 -We really didn't know what we were stepping into. 896 00:49:27,301 --> 00:49:32,098 I had no idea about the enormity of the case. 897 00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:34,350 -The sources close to the case say investigators now 898 00:49:34,392 --> 00:49:37,854 have overwhelming evidence that there is no question 899 00:49:37,895 --> 00:49:43,067 Casey killed her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee. 900 00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:46,612 -There was so much public outcry. 901 00:49:46,654 --> 00:49:48,531 -Justice for Caylee. 902 00:49:48,573 --> 00:49:53,119 -There are people that are fully in favor of eye for an eye 903 00:49:53,161 --> 00:49:56,664 because there's a greatly intensified seriousness 904 00:49:56,706 --> 00:49:57,915 about the case. 905 00:49:57,957 --> 00:50:00,626 We, on more than one occasion, 906 00:50:00,668 --> 00:50:04,047 as we are required to do by federal law, 907 00:50:04,088 --> 00:50:07,008 discussed with Casey the possibility 908 00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:10,053 of engaging in a plea bargain. 909 00:50:10,094 --> 00:50:12,138 -I'm a catastrophizer about these things, 910 00:50:12,180 --> 00:50:16,601 so I think you at least have to have a conversation about offers 911 00:50:16,642 --> 00:50:21,481 and what that's gonna look like and can we keep you alive? 912 00:50:21,522 --> 00:50:22,982 The deal on the table 913 00:50:23,024 --> 00:50:27,070 was 20 years in the Department of Correction, 914 00:50:27,111 --> 00:50:31,741 and she would have to accept guilt and responsibility 915 00:50:31,783 --> 00:50:33,201 for her daughter's death. 916 00:50:37,705 --> 00:50:39,665 -Anything you want to tell us? 917 00:50:39,707 --> 00:50:42,210 -I'll talk afterwards. -Okay. Thanks. 918 00:50:44,337 --> 00:50:46,714 -I laughed Jose Baez out of the room that we were meeting in, 919 00:50:46,756 --> 00:50:50,051 telling him there was no fucking way. 920 00:50:50,093 --> 00:50:54,305 -She was not having it. 921 00:50:54,347 --> 00:50:59,018 The last thing that she would even entertain is the idea 922 00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:03,523 that she would take credit for hurting the only one pure, 923 00:51:03,564 --> 00:51:06,317 true thing she ever had. 924 00:51:06,359 --> 00:51:09,070 -It takes a lot of courage and belief in some way 925 00:51:09,112 --> 00:51:11,572 to, you know, be facing the death penalty, 926 00:51:11,614 --> 00:51:14,867 turn down an offer. 927 00:51:14,909 --> 00:51:17,203 Casey would have nothing to do with it. 928 00:51:17,245 --> 00:51:20,706 -I would rather have been found guilty and spent my life -- 929 00:51:20,748 --> 00:51:22,375 the rest of my life on death row, 930 00:51:22,417 --> 00:51:24,544 fighting for my life and my innocence 931 00:51:24,585 --> 00:51:27,255 than to have ever pled to something I didn't do. 932 00:51:27,296 --> 00:51:30,258 I lied to the cops. I wrote those checks. 933 00:51:30,299 --> 00:51:32,385 I admitted guilt on each of those. 934 00:51:32,427 --> 00:51:33,886 That was it. 935 00:51:47,316 --> 00:51:48,568 -The national spotlight is now focused on Orlando. 936 00:51:51,529 --> 00:51:53,489 The satellite trucks are hooked up to feed, 937 00:51:53,531 --> 00:51:55,658 the generators are topped off with fuel, 938 00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:58,828 and the 70-foot risers are ready for reporters. 939 00:51:58,870 --> 00:52:01,330 -It's happening -- the most closely watched case 940 00:52:01,372 --> 00:52:04,459 maybe ever or certainly since O.J. Simpson. 941 00:52:08,296 --> 00:52:10,173 -I will never forget what happened 942 00:52:10,214 --> 00:52:12,508 inside of those courtrooms. 943 00:52:12,550 --> 00:52:16,471 I will never forget the anxiety 944 00:52:16,512 --> 00:52:19,932 and the dread going to walk through those doors, 945 00:52:19,974 --> 00:52:21,851 to get off of those elevators. 946 00:52:21,893 --> 00:52:28,316 ** 947 00:52:28,357 --> 00:52:31,069 -It's taken almost three years to get to today. 948 00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:33,946 We are now just minutes away from opening statements 949 00:52:33,988 --> 00:52:37,867 in the murder case of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony. 950 00:52:37,909 --> 00:52:40,703 -Does the state care to make an opening statement at this time? 951 00:52:40,745 --> 00:52:44,582 -Yes, Your Honor. -You may proceed. 952 00:52:44,624 --> 00:52:48,836 -Linda Drane Burdick is a very skilled prosecutor. 953 00:52:50,004 --> 00:52:52,590 -Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 954 00:52:52,632 --> 00:52:55,301 Welcome to Orange County. 955 00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:02,266 As difficult as it may be for anyone to accept 956 00:53:02,308 --> 00:53:03,726 that a mother 957 00:53:03,768 --> 00:53:07,647 would intentionally kill her own child, 958 00:53:07,688 --> 00:53:10,483 from the evidence that you will hear in this case, 959 00:53:10,525 --> 00:53:15,822 there is no other conclusion that could be drawn. 960 00:53:15,863 --> 00:53:22,412 -This case was full of purported evidence against Casey. 961 00:53:22,453 --> 00:53:26,416 -Duct tape covered the nose and mouth area 962 00:53:26,457 --> 00:53:28,835 of that tiny human skull. 963 00:53:28,876 --> 00:53:30,962 -Evidence of duct tape found over the mouth 964 00:53:31,003 --> 00:53:32,630 of the child's skull, 965 00:53:32,672 --> 00:53:36,008 high levels of chloroform found in the trunk of Casey's car. 966 00:53:36,050 --> 00:53:39,387 -But a lot of it was really this junk science 967 00:53:39,429 --> 00:53:41,806 that was used to pad over 968 00:53:41,848 --> 00:53:44,100 the lack of actual facts in the case. 969 00:53:44,142 --> 00:53:46,769 I don't think anyone's better than Dorothy Clay Sims 970 00:53:46,811 --> 00:53:49,564 at being able to get to the bottom of that. 971 00:53:49,605 --> 00:53:53,109 -I was in charge of the forensics with the defense team. 972 00:53:53,151 --> 00:53:57,905 I do a lot of work with motions to exclude unreliable science, 973 00:53:57,947 --> 00:54:00,366 and I was very concerned about some of the science 974 00:54:00,408 --> 00:54:03,077 that the state was producing. 975 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:06,914 For example, they took a position that Casey somehow 976 00:54:06,956 --> 00:54:08,958 was going to try to make chloroform 977 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,586 and murder her child with chloroform. 978 00:54:11,627 --> 00:54:13,921 -Dr. Ross will also tell you 979 00:54:13,963 --> 00:54:16,591 that he found something unexpected. 980 00:54:18,134 --> 00:54:20,470 His instrumental analysis 981 00:54:20,511 --> 00:54:25,058 found the highest concentration of chloroform 982 00:54:25,099 --> 00:54:28,019 that he's ever seen. 983 00:54:28,061 --> 00:54:29,979 -They've got the chloroform. 984 00:54:30,021 --> 00:54:32,148 They've got the tape over the mouth. 985 00:54:32,190 --> 00:54:34,025 Those are major problems. 986 00:54:34,067 --> 00:54:37,111 -But when they did some testing on the remains, 987 00:54:37,153 --> 00:54:41,657 no chloroform was found in the hair, no drugs. 988 00:54:41,699 --> 00:54:43,868 And then the duct tape. 989 00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:47,038 What everybody saw on the news was, "Oh, the child's remains 990 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,832 were found with duct tape over the mouth." 991 00:54:49,874 --> 00:54:53,753 -No child deserves to die with duct tape around their face. 992 00:54:53,795 --> 00:54:55,630 Well, there was no evidence 993 00:54:55,671 --> 00:55:00,176 that that's the way that Caylee died either. 994 00:55:00,218 --> 00:55:05,098 There was duct tape, some part attached to her hair 995 00:55:05,139 --> 00:55:07,558 hanging down on the left side 996 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,687 and the lower mandible on the right side. 997 00:55:11,729 --> 00:55:15,775 -There was no DNA at all on the duct tape. 998 00:55:15,817 --> 00:55:17,610 How did it end up that way? 999 00:55:17,652 --> 00:55:19,529 Do I think that the duct tape could've come 1000 00:55:19,570 --> 00:55:21,239 from the exterior of the bag? Absolutely. 1001 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,700 In fact, there were witnesses that talked about 1002 00:55:24,742 --> 00:55:27,537 how it could've slid down from the bag. 1003 00:55:27,578 --> 00:55:30,331 To me, it was pretty clear that the duct tape 1004 00:55:30,373 --> 00:55:33,918 had never, ever been on Caylee's skin. 1005 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,380 That duct tape was not ever around her face 1006 00:55:37,422 --> 00:55:40,133 when she was still alive. 1007 00:55:40,174 --> 00:55:43,094 I was concerned about the hair banding. 1008 00:55:45,054 --> 00:55:49,934 -When I examined that trunk, I found 15 hairs. 1009 00:55:49,976 --> 00:55:53,229 And this one, this hair, it's a long hair... 1010 00:55:53,271 --> 00:55:54,689 right here. 1011 00:55:54,731 --> 00:55:57,900 They sent it to the FBI. 1012 00:55:57,942 --> 00:56:03,114 They found the dark band near to the root area of the hair, 1013 00:56:03,156 --> 00:56:04,657 which is an indication 1014 00:56:04,699 --> 00:56:08,202 that that hair came from a decomposed body. 1015 00:56:09,287 --> 00:56:16,461 This hair is identify with the DNA from the mother's side. 1016 00:56:16,502 --> 00:56:21,716 So we have Cindy, we have Casey both alive. 1017 00:56:21,758 --> 00:56:25,595 The only person that is missing is Caylee. 1018 00:56:25,636 --> 00:56:32,560 ** 1019 00:56:32,602 --> 00:56:35,938 -There are other causes for hair banding. 1020 00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:39,442 Not just that it came from a body 1021 00:56:39,484 --> 00:56:40,943 that was already deceased. 1022 00:56:40,985 --> 00:56:44,113 You can have hair banding even on people who are alive. 1023 00:56:44,155 --> 00:56:46,741 Things like moisture and dirt, et cetera, 1024 00:56:46,783 --> 00:56:48,284 can cause hair banding. 1025 00:56:48,326 --> 00:56:51,621 And then there's a problem with the cadaver dogs. 1026 00:56:51,662 --> 00:56:53,706 -The first pass he started indicating in the -- 1027 00:56:53,748 --> 00:56:55,750 in the rear of the vehicle. 1028 00:56:55,792 --> 00:56:57,293 I could tell he was working something, 1029 00:56:57,335 --> 00:57:02,006 looking, um, to the back-seat, trunk area. 1030 00:57:02,048 --> 00:57:05,134 -The cadaver dogs came back and didn't alert a second time. 1031 00:57:05,176 --> 00:57:08,137 That is a symptom of the whole problem with the case 1032 00:57:08,179 --> 00:57:12,308 because people would latch on to a cadaver dog alerting 1033 00:57:12,350 --> 00:57:16,062 but completely ignore evidence of a cadaver dog 1034 00:57:16,104 --> 00:57:17,230 that doesn't alert. 1035 00:57:17,271 --> 00:57:20,566 You can cause a cadaver dog to alert. 1036 00:57:20,608 --> 00:57:23,736 And if you can rely on a cadaver dog, 1037 00:57:23,778 --> 00:57:25,613 which are you gonna rely on? 1038 00:57:25,655 --> 00:57:27,824 That's the problem. It's inexact. 1039 00:57:27,865 --> 00:57:30,535 It's inexact science. 1040 00:57:30,576 --> 00:57:33,246 And then the decompositional odors. 1041 00:57:33,287 --> 00:57:36,207 The state said that their expert 1042 00:57:36,249 --> 00:57:37,834 could quantify the molecules 1043 00:57:37,875 --> 00:57:40,044 that were in the air in the trunk 1044 00:57:40,086 --> 00:57:42,672 and determine if they were consistent 1045 00:57:42,714 --> 00:57:44,424 with decompositional odors. 1046 00:57:44,465 --> 00:57:45,717 -And what that does is 1047 00:57:45,758 --> 00:57:47,343 essentially condenses and freezes 1048 00:57:47,385 --> 00:57:51,013 all the odor molecules into a small, little pellet. 1049 00:57:51,055 --> 00:57:55,518 -I'm not aware of any trial that this methodology 1050 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,311 had ever been accepted in. 1051 00:57:57,353 --> 00:57:59,772 It's very questionable. 1052 00:57:59,814 --> 00:58:03,234 The lack of true, reproducible science is shocking. 1053 00:58:03,276 --> 00:58:04,736 It's really shocking. 1054 00:58:09,157 --> 00:58:13,035 -There wasn't any evidence that Casey ever hurt her child, 1055 00:58:13,077 --> 00:58:15,955 let alone that she was responsible for her death. 1056 00:58:15,997 --> 00:58:19,041 This child that she loved so much, by all accounts, 1057 00:58:19,083 --> 00:58:21,753 by all the witnesses that knew her. 1058 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,222 The crux of this case and the anger was 1059 00:58:33,264 --> 00:58:37,060 it appeared to be that she was behaving incorrectly. 1060 00:58:37,101 --> 00:58:41,647 The type of discovery, the evidence 1061 00:58:41,689 --> 00:58:43,941 that the state was sharing with the defense 1062 00:58:43,983 --> 00:58:46,110 really was more about painting her 1063 00:58:46,152 --> 00:58:50,615 as a young, scandalous woman without a care in the world. 1064 00:58:51,824 --> 00:58:54,202 And according to their theory, 1065 00:58:54,243 --> 00:58:58,498 only a murderer would be able to compartmentalize 1066 00:58:58,539 --> 00:59:03,169 and enjoy themselves when their child was missing. 1067 00:59:04,295 --> 00:59:08,716 I really realized the gravity of the situation we were in. 1068 00:59:08,758 --> 00:59:11,844 You never know what a jury is gonna do. 1069 00:59:11,886 --> 00:59:15,056 Casey was in for the fight of her life 1070 00:59:24,941 --> 00:59:26,025 -News 13's Jacqueline Fell has information 1071 00:59:26,818 --> 00:59:28,152 on today's deposition. 1072 00:59:28,194 --> 00:59:31,739 -We were covering the case every day. 1073 00:59:31,781 --> 00:59:33,533 While there's an enormous amount of evidence 1074 00:59:33,574 --> 00:59:35,201 for the 12 jurors to process, 1075 00:59:35,243 --> 00:59:37,620 they're also trying to process this -- 1076 00:59:37,662 --> 00:59:39,914 Just what to make of the 25-year-old 1077 00:59:39,956 --> 00:59:42,375 accused of killing her daughter. 1078 00:59:42,417 --> 00:59:44,627 They say she went to clubs, got her nails done, 1079 00:59:44,669 --> 00:59:46,421 got a tattoo that said "Good life." 1080 00:59:46,462 --> 00:59:50,133 And according to one friend was giddy about her new boyfriend. 1081 00:59:50,174 --> 00:59:52,844 -This really was sort of like the first big case 1082 00:59:52,885 --> 00:59:54,303 playing out on social media. 1083 00:59:54,345 --> 00:59:57,557 The news station had a Twitter account 1084 00:59:57,598 --> 01:00:00,017 created for this case. 1085 01:00:00,059 --> 01:00:04,272 People just were constantly talking about it online. 1086 01:00:04,313 --> 01:00:08,317 In the court of public opinion, Casey was already guilty. 1087 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,155 -It was the first trial by social media. 1088 01:00:12,196 --> 01:00:14,407 The public was weighing in on this, 1089 01:00:14,449 --> 01:00:15,992 and I'm sure the prosecutors 1090 01:00:16,033 --> 01:00:18,661 had to be reading what they were saying 1091 01:00:18,703 --> 01:00:20,872 and tailoring what they were doing 1092 01:00:20,913 --> 01:00:22,248 to what was coming in. 1093 01:00:22,290 --> 01:00:25,501 -Caylee's death allowed Casey Anthony 1094 01:00:25,543 --> 01:00:27,712 to live the good life, 1095 01:00:27,754 --> 01:00:31,549 at least for those 31 days. 1096 01:00:31,591 --> 01:00:34,594 -Shot girls, music, dancing. 1097 01:00:34,635 --> 01:00:38,514 Young people doing what young people are supposed to do, 1098 01:00:38,556 --> 01:00:40,558 and I want to say that clearly. 1099 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,186 There's nothing wrong with young people being young people. 1100 01:00:43,227 --> 01:00:45,521 There's nothing with young people drinking 1101 01:00:45,563 --> 01:00:47,899 and dancing and having fun. 1102 01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:50,985 There's nothing wrong with that. 1103 01:00:51,027 --> 01:00:55,865 But that's not the life that Casey has, 1104 01:00:55,907 --> 01:00:58,201 because Casey is a mom. 1105 01:00:58,242 --> 01:01:00,703 -That's in the entire prosecution as, 1106 01:01:00,745 --> 01:01:02,705 "Well, explain yourself. 1107 01:01:02,747 --> 01:01:04,207 I mean, that's not the way 1108 01:01:04,248 --> 01:01:06,542 a grieving mother is allowed to act." 1109 01:01:06,584 --> 01:01:11,923 -I think that the best way to explain Casey's behavior 1110 01:01:11,964 --> 01:01:15,968 is through the words of Dr. Sally Karioth. 1111 01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:18,721 Sally Karioth was the grief specialist 1112 01:01:18,763 --> 01:01:23,309 that came in and talked about what it's like for young people 1113 01:01:23,351 --> 01:01:24,894 when they have a traumatic event. 1114 01:01:24,936 --> 01:01:28,940 She had over 30 years' experience in the field. 1115 01:01:28,981 --> 01:01:31,067 -They are reluctant grievers. 1116 01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:32,652 Young adults are reluctant grievers, 1117 01:01:32,693 --> 01:01:37,782 and they will often say nothing has happened. 1118 01:01:37,824 --> 01:01:39,909 They will demonstrate risky behavior. 1119 01:01:39,951 --> 01:01:41,911 -The behavior that Casey engaged in 1120 01:01:41,953 --> 01:01:44,872 was absolutely consistent with grief. 1121 01:01:44,914 --> 01:01:49,001 It just wasn't what we typically understand grief to look like. 1122 01:01:50,712 --> 01:01:54,090 -I read psychological experts, their depositions, 1123 01:01:54,132 --> 01:01:57,051 and I conferenced with them. 1124 01:01:57,093 --> 01:01:59,095 The lying that Casey was engaging in 1125 01:01:59,137 --> 01:02:02,807 wasn't for manipulation or self-gain. 1126 01:02:02,849 --> 01:02:05,184 -Pathological lying is not a diagnosis. 1127 01:02:05,226 --> 01:02:09,605 It's a pattern of behavior often shown to occur 1128 01:02:09,647 --> 01:02:13,776 as a result of developmental issues, family issues. 1129 01:02:13,818 --> 01:02:16,112 -People react differently to trauma. 1130 01:02:16,154 --> 01:02:18,948 It depends on their background, how they're raised. 1131 01:02:18,990 --> 01:02:22,785 Casey's behavior was a behavior of someone 1132 01:02:22,827 --> 01:02:26,831 that is not inconsistent with abuse. 1133 01:02:26,873 --> 01:02:28,374 -Based on my experience in working 1134 01:02:28,416 --> 01:02:33,254 in the sexual-abuse area, after the sexual abuse stops, 1135 01:02:33,296 --> 01:02:37,633 there's still this dynamic of feeling like the father, 1136 01:02:37,675 --> 01:02:41,054 the perpetrator, has control. 1137 01:02:41,095 --> 01:02:43,639 She told me what happened to Caylee. 1138 01:02:43,681 --> 01:02:47,143 It helped me understand why she would go along 1139 01:02:47,185 --> 01:02:49,979 with what he told her to do 1140 01:02:50,021 --> 01:02:53,524 and not disclose what happened to Caylee. 1141 01:02:56,027 --> 01:03:00,239 -That was so important for our understanding. 1142 01:03:00,281 --> 01:03:01,991 I mean, not just the defense teams, 1143 01:03:02,033 --> 01:03:03,618 but the jury as well, 1144 01:03:03,659 --> 01:03:07,246 that Casey has been through significant trauma. 1145 01:03:11,250 --> 01:03:13,836 -Good afternoon, members of the jury. 1146 01:03:13,878 --> 01:03:16,506 Mr. Baez, you may proceed. 1147 01:03:16,547 --> 01:03:21,010 -Come with me to 4937 Hopespring Drive. 1148 01:03:21,052 --> 01:03:23,513 It looks like the all-American home. 1149 01:03:23,554 --> 01:03:26,808 In fact, you can drive by any home in the United States 1150 01:03:26,849 --> 01:03:31,354 and never know what goes on behind closed doors. 1151 01:03:31,396 --> 01:03:33,981 You never know what secrets lie within. 1152 01:03:37,652 --> 01:03:43,449 You see, this family must keep its secrets quiet. 1153 01:03:44,409 --> 01:03:47,537 And it all began when Casey was 8 years old 1154 01:03:47,578 --> 01:03:49,914 and her father came into her room 1155 01:03:49,956 --> 01:03:53,584 and began to touch her inappropriately. 1156 01:03:53,626 --> 01:03:55,211 And it escalated. 1157 01:03:55,253 --> 01:03:58,423 -[ Sighs ] -And it escalated. 1158 01:04:03,052 --> 01:04:05,513 -Did you know what he was gonna say? 1159 01:04:05,555 --> 01:04:07,140 -No. 1160 01:04:07,181 --> 01:04:09,392 -Did you know he was gonna bring up the abuse? 1161 01:04:09,434 --> 01:04:10,601 -No. 1162 01:04:10,643 --> 01:04:12,729 -You didn't know? -He didn't tell me. 1163 01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:18,401 He did not even come to see me before we went into court. 1164 01:04:18,443 --> 01:04:21,529 He didn't tell me anything. 1165 01:04:21,571 --> 01:04:25,283 He wanted to make sure my reaction and my response 1166 01:04:25,324 --> 01:04:27,410 was as real and raw as possible. 1167 01:04:27,452 --> 01:04:31,289 So he didn't want me to be prepped for this. 1168 01:04:31,330 --> 01:04:37,211 ** 1169 01:04:37,253 --> 01:04:40,089 What I'm feeling in that moment 1170 01:04:40,131 --> 01:04:43,634 listening to Jose Baez tell the world... 1171 01:04:45,178 --> 01:04:49,223 ...about the abuse that I suffered... 1172 01:04:49,265 --> 01:04:51,559 it was absolute shame. 1173 01:04:54,771 --> 01:04:59,650 I remember that feeling like it was yesterday. 1174 01:05:01,736 --> 01:05:04,989 There's always going to be that part of me that's... 1175 01:05:05,031 --> 01:05:09,535 going to feel like I'm not enough because of what happened. 1176 01:05:09,577 --> 01:05:11,412 Not good enough 1177 01:05:11,454 --> 01:05:13,831 because of all of the things that have happened to me. 1178 01:05:13,873 --> 01:05:16,667 -Not good enough for what? 1179 01:05:16,709 --> 01:05:18,878 -Just not good enough, 1180 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:23,466 that I'm...tarnished... 1181 01:05:23,508 --> 01:05:25,551 tainted. 1182 01:05:26,719 --> 01:05:31,849 That's a really, really, really hard moment. 1183 01:05:33,017 --> 01:05:36,312 -It was the deepest, darkest secrets that she held, 1184 01:05:36,354 --> 01:05:39,982 laid out bare in front of the public. 1185 01:05:40,024 --> 01:05:42,318 Her chin started to shiver. 1186 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,779 I could see the tears coming. 1187 01:05:44,821 --> 01:05:48,825 And it was the first time I saw that whatever defense mechanism 1188 01:05:48,866 --> 01:05:50,118 she had built over the years 1189 01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:53,621 were not gonna be working for her anymore. 1190 01:05:53,663 --> 01:05:56,833 -The jury understood the relevance 1191 01:05:56,874 --> 01:05:59,711 of the innocent until proven guilty standards 1192 01:05:59,752 --> 01:06:02,839 and that Caylee's death was shocking. 1193 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,924 Casey was -- was stunned. 1194 01:06:04,966 --> 01:06:07,844 Young people who are not trained on how to deal with trauma 1195 01:06:07,885 --> 01:06:10,722 simply shut down and pretend it didn't occur. 1196 01:06:10,763 --> 01:06:13,182 If someone can't deal with a trauma like that 1197 01:06:13,224 --> 01:06:15,059 because they are so close to their child 1198 01:06:15,101 --> 01:06:18,646 and they love their child so very much, 1199 01:06:18,688 --> 01:06:20,523 that says that they are a good mother, 1200 01:06:20,565 --> 01:06:22,108 not a bad mother. 1201 01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:32,577 -It just resonated with me 1202 01:06:32,618 --> 01:06:35,455 that this was a very loving mother. 1203 01:06:37,123 --> 01:06:39,917 We don't think that girl killed that baby. 1204 01:06:39,959 --> 01:06:42,086 So what happened? 1205 01:06:42,128 --> 01:06:44,338 I think that an accident could have happened. 1206 01:06:44,380 --> 01:06:47,008 And I just want to see the facts, the evidence, 1207 01:06:47,050 --> 01:06:48,676 talk to witnesses. 1208 01:06:48,718 --> 01:06:50,470 I want to find out more. 1209 01:06:50,511 --> 01:06:54,432 -Pat McKenna did the hard work of showing up, 1210 01:06:54,474 --> 01:06:57,018 talking to people who don't want to get involved, 1211 01:06:57,060 --> 01:07:00,188 seeing what their stories are and what their truth is, 1212 01:07:00,229 --> 01:07:01,731 and figuring out if there's evidence 1213 01:07:01,773 --> 01:07:03,399 that supports this case. 1214 01:07:03,441 --> 01:07:06,486 He located Krystal Holloway. 1215 01:07:06,527 --> 01:07:08,613 -What do we know about this woman? 1216 01:07:08,654 --> 01:07:11,199 They claim she had an affair with George Anthony. 1217 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,950 -During this whole fiasco, 1218 01:07:12,992 --> 01:07:16,370 George has an affair with this woman, Krystal Holloway. 1219 01:07:16,412 --> 01:07:19,123 -I'm told that he visited her many times 1220 01:07:19,165 --> 01:07:20,541 at her gated community. 1221 01:07:20,583 --> 01:07:22,585 -He's unburdening himself to this woman, 1222 01:07:22,627 --> 01:07:25,797 figuring this will never come out anywhere. 1223 01:07:25,838 --> 01:07:27,590 So when I go to talk to her, 1224 01:07:27,632 --> 01:07:31,386 I learn from Krystal what really happened to Caylee. 1225 01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:35,264 -She had information that was important. 1226 01:07:35,306 --> 01:07:36,974 She said George told her 1227 01:07:37,016 --> 01:07:40,103 that this was an accident that spiraled out of control. 1228 01:07:40,144 --> 01:07:43,314 -When Krystal Holloway took the stand 1229 01:07:43,356 --> 01:07:45,233 and told her story, 1230 01:07:45,274 --> 01:07:49,904 it was really clear that she was doing her level best 1231 01:07:49,946 --> 01:07:51,280 to tell her truth, 1232 01:07:51,322 --> 01:07:53,574 even though it was so far outside of anything 1233 01:07:53,616 --> 01:07:56,327 she was actually comfortable with. 1234 01:07:56,369 --> 01:07:58,454 Without Krystal Holloway coming in, 1235 01:07:58,496 --> 01:08:01,833 I'm not sure where we would have ultimately landed. 1236 01:08:01,874 --> 01:08:05,920 Casey has never told me what happened with Caylee, 1237 01:08:05,962 --> 01:08:09,465 but I think the evidence and the science support 1238 01:08:09,507 --> 01:08:14,512 that it was most likely an accidental drowning 1239 01:08:14,554 --> 01:08:18,933 that really did snowball out of control, where no one acted 1240 01:08:18,975 --> 01:08:22,478 like you're supposed to act when an accident happens. 1241 01:08:26,357 --> 01:08:27,567 -I mean, look at the facts. 1242 01:08:27,608 --> 01:08:30,445 This child was found without shoes. 1243 01:08:30,486 --> 01:08:32,155 The remains had no shoes. 1244 01:08:32,196 --> 01:08:35,158 She could clearly open the door to get out to the pool. 1245 01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:39,120 We have the photograph. She can open the door to go outside. 1246 01:08:39,162 --> 01:08:42,582 Cindy mentioned something like that to the people at work 1247 01:08:42,623 --> 01:08:44,667 and to the police a few days later. 1248 01:08:55,595 --> 01:08:59,557 I believe the most likely thing that happened in this case 1249 01:08:59,599 --> 01:09:03,144 is that the child accidentally drowned. 1250 01:09:03,186 --> 01:09:04,645 That's what I believe. 1251 01:09:07,190 --> 01:09:09,358 -Mr. Baez, you may proceed. 1252 01:09:11,778 --> 01:09:14,822 -Caylee Anthony died on June 16, 2008, 1253 01:09:14,864 --> 01:09:18,201 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool. 1254 01:09:18,242 --> 01:09:19,660 Unfortunately, it's far too common. 1255 01:09:19,702 --> 01:09:21,746 In fact, in the state of Florida, 1256 01:09:21,788 --> 01:09:25,124 it is the number-one way that children die, 1257 01:09:25,166 --> 01:09:28,961 is drowning in swimming pools. 1258 01:09:29,003 --> 01:09:31,005 We hear about it every day. 1259 01:09:31,047 --> 01:09:34,509 We hear of a story on the news or we'll see a little blurb 1260 01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:37,929 on the newspaper about some poor child 1261 01:09:37,970 --> 01:09:41,224 who accidentally drowned in the family swimming pool. 1262 01:09:41,265 --> 01:09:46,521 -A bombshell revelation from Casey Anthony's lead attorney, 1263 01:09:46,562 --> 01:09:48,856 who now claims 2-year-old Caylee Anthony 1264 01:09:48,898 --> 01:09:53,611 drowned in her family's swimming pool in June of 2008. 1265 01:09:53,653 --> 01:09:55,113 -You know, the defense made the argument 1266 01:09:55,154 --> 01:09:57,782 that she drowned in a pool, which is interesting, 1267 01:09:57,824 --> 01:09:59,909 because we gave her that as an option. 1268 01:10:13,047 --> 01:10:15,383 But she was adamant that that didn't occur. 1269 01:10:17,093 --> 01:10:20,430 Look, I'm not a psychologist, but you're gonna tell me 1270 01:10:20,471 --> 01:10:23,349 that what really happened was, 1271 01:10:23,391 --> 01:10:25,560 after my child drowned in the pool, 1272 01:10:25,601 --> 01:10:28,479 I stuck her in a laundry bag and dumped her in the woods 1273 01:10:28,521 --> 01:10:30,565 and spent the next month partying? 1274 01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:35,528 -There are too many scenarios of what could have happened 1275 01:10:35,570 --> 01:10:37,989 but her drowning in the pool is not one. 1276 01:10:38,030 --> 01:10:39,449 It's not possible. 1277 01:10:41,868 --> 01:10:44,454 In most scenarios, it would be plausible. 1278 01:10:44,495 --> 01:10:45,663 Not in this one. 1279 01:10:45,705 --> 01:10:47,415 The ladder wasn't on the pool. 1280 01:10:47,457 --> 01:10:50,418 It's the only way in or out for her or for me. 1281 01:10:50,460 --> 01:10:53,796 -So why let Jose Baez and your defense team 1282 01:10:53,838 --> 01:10:56,007 make that argument again and again? 1283 01:10:56,049 --> 01:10:57,967 -My mom was the first one that floated the theory 1284 01:10:58,009 --> 01:10:59,510 that she could have drowned in the pool. 1285 01:10:59,552 --> 01:11:01,095 He went with what my mom said. 1286 01:11:01,137 --> 01:11:04,098 He had to explain something. 1287 01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:07,643 You can't just tell the jury, "She doesn't know." 1288 01:11:07,685 --> 01:11:10,938 -So what was your thought on why she was wet? 1289 01:11:10,980 --> 01:11:15,735 -It's something I still can't piece together. 1290 01:11:15,777 --> 01:11:17,487 I wasn't the only one home. 1291 01:11:17,528 --> 01:11:18,988 I'm not outright accusing him of murder, 1292 01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:22,366 but it wasn't an accident in the pool. 1293 01:11:22,408 --> 01:11:24,702 ** 1294 01:11:29,874 --> 01:11:32,460 -I don't believe my daughter could hurt anyone. 1295 01:11:32,502 --> 01:11:34,003 I really don't believe that. 1296 01:11:34,045 --> 01:11:35,380 -In this interview, 1297 01:11:35,421 --> 01:11:36,881 my father's telling the truth of my innocence, 1298 01:11:36,923 --> 01:11:39,133 that law enforcement went after me. 1299 01:11:39,175 --> 01:11:41,594 But yet, he testified in front of the grand jury 1300 01:11:41,636 --> 01:11:43,554 almost two months before this. 1301 01:11:43,596 --> 01:11:45,890 He was the state of Florida's first witness against me. 1302 01:11:45,932 --> 01:11:47,683 -He's telling the media that Casey's innocent, 1303 01:11:47,725 --> 01:11:48,976 but then he's going to the police 1304 01:11:49,018 --> 01:11:50,561 and telling them that Casey's guilty. 1305 01:11:50,603 --> 01:11:52,980 This is something that nobody ever noticed. 1306 01:11:53,022 --> 01:11:56,359 -George Anthony was the first witness on the stand. 1307 01:11:56,401 --> 01:12:00,113 -George testified a handful of times. 1308 01:12:00,154 --> 01:12:02,949 Why didn't the media notice the differences? 1309 01:12:02,990 --> 01:12:05,493 -I'm sitting there staring daggers at this man 1310 01:12:05,535 --> 01:12:07,161 'cause I'm one of the only people 1311 01:12:07,203 --> 01:12:09,664 who knows the truth about who and what he is. 1312 01:12:09,705 --> 01:12:13,501 It took so long for me to get to that point. 1313 01:12:13,543 --> 01:12:16,170 It's like you have Stockholm Syndrome. 1314 01:12:16,212 --> 01:12:17,672 Why didn't he call 911? 1315 01:12:17,714 --> 01:12:20,383 I wasn't the only one that was home. 1316 01:12:20,425 --> 01:12:22,009 And why after all this time, 1317 01:12:22,051 --> 01:12:25,054 keep blaming me for something I didn't do? 1318 01:12:27,432 --> 01:12:29,517 Why? 1319 01:12:31,894 --> 01:12:34,480 [ Crying ]