1
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I'd like to explain
my actions to him...

2
00:00:41,633 --> 00:00:45,323
...because when I killed Marc,
I wasn't in my normal state.

3
00:00:47,208 --> 00:00:48,404
In what way?

4
00:00:48,575 --> 00:00:50,943
Sorry...
Please go on.

5
00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,717
I don't remember
what I was saying.

6
00:00:54,021 --> 00:00:56,693
You said you were
in the grip of something.

7
00:00:56,787 --> 00:00:58,625
Yeah, I was drunk.

8
00:00:59,575 --> 00:01:01,242
He'd also been drinking.

9
00:01:02,250 --> 00:01:05,139
Dis you both have a problem
with alcohol?

10
00:01:07,489 --> 00:01:08,489
Yes.

11
00:01:08,945 --> 00:01:10,466
It happens.

12
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And as we never saw each other
again, I couldn't tell him...

13
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...sincerely, with a clear head...

14
00:01:24,148 --> 00:01:25,490
...what had happened.

15
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And that I apologise.

16
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We've both lost a lot.

17
00:01:33,542 --> 00:01:37,381
You feel that you lost
as much as her?

18
00:01:37,775 --> 00:01:39,684
No, no, of course not. Sorry.

19
00:01:39,834 --> 00:01:42,904
She lost her son because of me.
I'll never forgive myself.

20
00:01:43,375 --> 00:01:44,935
But I lost as well.

21
00:01:45,334 --> 00:01:48,170
I lost my partner.
My daughter lost her father.

22
00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,242
I don't even know
if I'll ever get my daughter back.

23
00:01:51,417 --> 00:01:52,881
It's not easy.

24
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Of course, I understand.

25
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So... you understand...

26
00:01:58,190 --> 00:01:59,231
Really?

27
00:02:00,250 --> 00:02:02,005
Sorry, I interrupted you.

28
00:02:02,174 --> 00:02:04,107
But it's not terrible.

29
00:02:04,988 --> 00:02:08,372
Michel, you don't understand
what she experienced.

30
00:02:08,542 --> 00:02:12,462
Nobody can. You can try
to imagine it, that's all.

31
00:02:12,486 --> 00:02:16,966
Yes I know. She looked so down,
I wanted to support her.

32
00:02:17,075 --> 00:02:19,786
Do it by listening to her...
That's what will work best.

33
00:02:25,012 --> 00:02:27,247
- Oh, it was hard.
- Yeah?

34
00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:28,692
I did something stupid.

35
00:02:28,717 --> 00:02:31,880
I had trouble listening.
I was too stressed.

36
00:02:31,958 --> 00:02:34,125
It wasn't smooth,
it was cut off.

37
00:02:34,292 --> 00:02:36,840
You interrupted her. Yes.

38
00:02:37,283 --> 00:02:39,458
Her silences were not respected.

39
00:02:39,559 --> 00:02:41,512
Too many comments, Michel.

40
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Many closed questions.
Too many suggestions, Fanny.

41
00:02:45,305 --> 00:02:46,805
Too much judgment.

42
00:02:46,844 --> 00:02:49,500
I didn't think I was being judged.

43
00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:52,875
I tried to goad her...
to get her to open up.

44
00:02:53,042 --> 00:02:55,122
You have to stop doing that.

45
00:02:55,242 --> 00:02:57,083
Goading is not your job.

46
00:02:57,250 --> 00:02:59,292
You're not a lawyer,
you're not a cop.

47
00:02:59,458 --> 00:03:01,453
You're not a probation counsellor here.

48
00:03:01,501 --> 00:03:03,393
You have to get out of
your usual posture.

49
00:03:03,417 --> 00:03:04,789
You must be yourself.

50
00:03:05,417 --> 00:03:09,430
What you propose to these people,
is the opposite of what is usual.

51
00:03:09,765 --> 00:03:11,335
We don't speak for them.

52
00:03:11,417 --> 00:03:14,417
We're not suggesting anything,
we don't try to transform them.

53
00:03:14,583 --> 00:03:17,813
We listen, we welcome,
unconditionally.

54
00:03:18,070 --> 00:03:21,516
You don't know what they are,
nor what they should do... Right?

55
00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:23,976
Convince yourself or look elsewhere.

56
00:03:24,375 --> 00:03:27,167
If you allow them to think,
they will.

57
00:03:27,333 --> 00:03:29,958
Otherwise they'll say
what they always said.

58
00:03:30,125 --> 00:03:32,032
And not say
what they've always not said...

59
00:03:32,321 --> 00:03:33,946
"You take up too much room."

60
00:03:34,403 --> 00:03:35,725
Give them room.

61
00:03:35,835 --> 00:03:37,585
You don't know this person.

62
00:03:37,667 --> 00:03:38,792
Let her teach you.

63
00:03:38,950 --> 00:03:41,367
Follow her without judgment,
without diagnosis.

64
00:03:41,550 --> 00:03:43,637
Air-plane mode!

65
00:03:43,836 --> 00:03:45,625
Did you feel well listened-to?

66
00:03:45,917 --> 00:03:46,867
Er... Yes.

67
00:03:46,908 --> 00:03:48,038
Er... No.

68
00:03:48,625 --> 00:03:52,719
You felt welcomed, respected,
considered... it's already good...

69
00:03:53,004 --> 00:03:55,235
But you didn't feel listened-to.

70
00:03:55,542 --> 00:03:58,917
Forgive me for being harsh,
but it's too important.

71
00:03:59,083 --> 00:04:00,664
You have to understand that.

72
00:04:00,792 --> 00:04:02,833
Absolutely understand it.

73
00:04:03,144 --> 00:04:06,828
"Restorative justice"
is a combat sport.

74
00:04:12,282 --> 00:04:15,188
I shall always see your faces

75
00:04:28,284 --> 00:04:30,688
- Hi. - You OK?
[A year later]

76
00:04:30,735 --> 00:04:31,821
Come on...

77
00:04:31,968 --> 00:04:33,640
Off we go!

78
00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,363
Have you cut your hair?

79
00:04:36,562 --> 00:04:39,628
Yes, Martine made me
get a new look.

80
00:04:39,653 --> 00:04:40,946
Looks good.

81
00:04:41,148 --> 00:04:43,148
A little longer,
It suits you too.

82
00:04:44,596 --> 00:04:46,271
You always look good.

83
00:04:55,676 --> 00:04:57,638
We're going to be fair
with the next appointment.

84
00:04:58,007 --> 00:05:00,060
I thought I’d be late, but...

85
00:05:00,247 --> 00:05:02,482
We have to allow
more time in prison.

86
00:05:09,125 --> 00:05:10,786
- Good morning.
- Good morning.

87
00:05:10,942 --> 00:05:11,942
Good morning.

88
00:05:18,789 --> 00:05:19,831
Well...

89
00:05:20,083 --> 00:05:22,529
We're going to introduce ourselves.
I am Fanny.

90
00:05:22,691 --> 00:05:24,234
I'm a probation counsellor...

91
00:05:24,321 --> 00:05:26,511
...and trained facilitator
for restorative justice.

92
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,375
I'm Michel.

93
00:05:28,542 --> 00:05:31,458
I'm a retired state-school teacher.

94
00:05:31,625 --> 00:05:33,512
I'm a victim-assistance volunteer

95
00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:36,708
...and trained facilitator
for restorative justice.

96
00:05:38,304 --> 00:05:39,387
How's it with you?

97
00:05:39,458 --> 00:05:41,411
How's it going at the moment?

98
00:05:41,973 --> 00:05:43,153
Stupendous.

99
00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,075
It'd be great if you could tell us
a few things about yourself.

100
00:05:53,583 --> 00:05:54,917
My name is Nassim.

101
00:05:56,093 --> 00:05:57,301
I'm 29.

102
00:06:00,750 --> 00:06:01,895
All right...

103
00:06:03,546 --> 00:06:05,546
Thank you, Nassim, and...

104
00:06:07,042 --> 00:06:09,917
Could you explain to us how...

105
00:06:10,083 --> 00:06:12,147
...you knew about
restorative justice?

106
00:06:12,325 --> 00:06:14,075
My counsellor told me about it.

107
00:06:14,604 --> 00:06:16,374
What did you understand
about it?

108
00:06:16,781 --> 00:06:18,211
What do you know?

109
00:06:18,656 --> 00:06:20,796
Victims meet inmates?

110
00:06:21,125 --> 00:06:22,499
Yes, that's it.

111
00:06:22,833 --> 00:06:26,625
It's a setup that offers
the possibility of a meeting

112
00:06:26,792 --> 00:06:29,417
...between persons
committing offences...

113
00:06:30,042 --> 00:06:33,292
and victims of the same
type of crimes...

114
00:06:33,458 --> 00:06:35,893
...in this case, here,
robbery with violence.

115
00:06:36,059 --> 00:06:37,315
The judge knows?

116
00:06:37,340 --> 00:06:39,756
He knows who is signing up
in this process...

117
00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,776
...but what is said there,
remains confidential.

118
00:06:43,182 --> 00:06:44,792
It feels good to do that,
doesn’t it?

119
00:06:45,669 --> 00:06:47,018
The judge likes it.

120
00:06:47,377 --> 00:06:49,049
There's my audience.

121
00:06:49,776 --> 00:06:51,440
We can't tell you too much.

122
00:06:51,551 --> 00:06:54,221
It's based on volunteering.

123
00:06:54,458 --> 00:06:57,708
And it's free.
It cost's you nothing.

124
00:06:57,836 --> 00:06:59,917
But there's no compensation, either.

125
00:07:00,137 --> 00:07:02,674
It doesn't lead to sentence reduction
or anything else.

126
00:07:04,833 --> 00:07:06,792
- What's the point, then?
- To trade.

127
00:07:07,994 --> 00:07:10,353
You can ask questions.

128
00:07:10,750 --> 00:07:14,000
Tell what you experienced,
how you experienced it.

129
00:07:15,708 --> 00:07:17,861
I've told what I've done,
many times.

130
00:07:18,301 --> 00:07:20,301
I don't want to go back
over it again.

131
00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:22,830
I want to go to the future.

132
00:07:23,513 --> 00:07:24,627
The future?

133
00:07:25,573 --> 00:07:26,739
How do you see it?

134
00:07:29,559 --> 00:07:33,447
<i>I had the impression
that thanks to this uncle...</i>

135
00:07:34,175 --> 00:07:36,050
<i>...I was getting back on track.</i>

136
00:07:36,208 --> 00:07:39,236
<i>I was on the right path.</i>

137
00:07:39,617 --> 00:07:42,470
<i>And indeed, it continued...</i>

138
00:07:42,588 --> 00:07:43,671
Hello?

139
00:07:43,956 --> 00:07:45,275
Hi.

140
00:07:45,781 --> 00:07:47,509
Yeah, it's been forever.

141
00:07:48,119 --> 00:07:49,634
It's nice to hear from you.

142
00:07:52,333 --> 00:07:55,292
No, I'm making a pie.
I have a party tonight.

143
00:07:55,973 --> 00:07:56,973
And you?

144
00:09:05,042 --> 00:09:08,259
Hello, I'm Michel,
of the victims' assistance association.

145
00:09:11,221 --> 00:09:13,931
I'm calling you,
because you're in our records.

146
00:09:15,417 --> 00:09:18,259
Yes, 5 years ago,
following a robbery.

147
00:09:18,463 --> 00:09:20,129
You asked for help.

148
00:09:20,179 --> 00:09:21,931
I'd like to see my brother again.

149
00:09:22,542 --> 00:09:25,142
But I don't want to see him again
in a coffee shop...

150
00:09:25,458 --> 00:09:28,667
I do not know where he is,
but he came back to live here.

151
00:09:28,755 --> 00:09:30,298
My cousin told me.

152
00:09:30,917 --> 00:09:32,208
And I want...

153
00:09:32,878 --> 00:09:34,878
I don't want to run into him
by chance.

154
00:09:35,481 --> 00:09:38,231
I want to arrange to meet him
so as not to meet him by chance.

155
00:09:39,250 --> 00:09:41,031
He had a restraining order.

156
00:09:41,261 --> 00:09:42,925
Now this is no longer the case.

157
00:09:43,208 --> 00:09:45,083
And I can't stop him...

158
00:09:45,250 --> 00:09:46,708
...from coming back
and living here.

159
00:09:46,875 --> 00:09:48,956
Nor from frequenting
certain places.

160
00:09:49,167 --> 00:09:52,050
That's it...
We need to agree on things.

161
00:09:52,792 --> 00:09:54,988
- Things?
- Well...

162
00:09:55,167 --> 00:09:57,480
When does he go
to the cemetery?

163
00:09:57,789 --> 00:09:59,247
To the cinema.

164
00:09:59,421 --> 00:10:00,713
To the swimming pool.

165
00:10:00,864 --> 00:10:02,277
That's the least of it.

166
00:10:02,479 --> 00:10:04,229
And some cafes, maybe.

167
00:10:04,458 --> 00:10:05,875
Some restaurants.

168
00:10:06,333 --> 00:10:08,125
What days, what times.

169
00:10:08,950 --> 00:10:11,492
I don't know how you organise...

170
00:10:12,971 --> 00:10:13,808
..that.

171
00:10:13,972 --> 00:10:16,625
To begin with, we'll clarify
your expectations.

172
00:10:17,183 --> 00:10:19,917
Afterwards, I'll take your request to...

173
00:10:21,333 --> 00:10:22,949
What do we call him?

174
00:10:24,875 --> 00:10:25,917
I don't know.

175
00:10:27,166 --> 00:10:28,253
As you wish.

176
00:10:28,294 --> 00:10:30,199
- What's his name?
- Benjamin.

177
00:10:30,690 --> 00:10:31,731
Delarme.

178
00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,230
Mr Delarme?

179
00:10:33,895 --> 00:10:34,895
OK.

180
00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,808
So I'll take your request
to Mr Delarme.

181
00:10:38,073 --> 00:10:41,114
If he agrees to
the mediation process...

182
00:10:41,445 --> 00:10:43,320
...I'll see each of you, alone...

183
00:10:43,542 --> 00:10:45,917
...every two weeks
for six months.

184
00:10:46,750 --> 00:10:50,417
We can add other interviews,
depending on necessity.

185
00:10:51,667 --> 00:10:53,530
How will you contact him?

186
00:10:53,738 --> 00:10:56,988
I can contact the probation office,
who had to supervise him.

187
00:10:57,625 --> 00:11:01,261
Unless you have a number
or an address.

188
00:11:01,542 --> 00:11:02,833
I've nothing.

189
00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,050
But I know someone
who has his number.

190
00:11:05,833 --> 00:11:06,933
I can ask.

191
00:11:07,034 --> 00:11:11,355
If you know who has his number,
we can go through this person...

192
00:11:11,917 --> 00:11:14,800
...for the first contact
with Mr Delarme...

193
00:11:15,182 --> 00:11:17,214
...so that it's not too sudden.

194
00:11:17,422 --> 00:11:18,172
Yeah.

195
00:11:18,417 --> 00:11:20,061
But it can't be her.

196
00:11:20,573 --> 00:11:21,830
I don't trust her.

197
00:11:22,033 --> 00:11:23,033
All right.

198
00:11:30,784 --> 00:11:32,424
So, how do we start?

199
00:11:32,972 --> 00:11:34,093
How you want to.

200
00:11:34,589 --> 00:11:37,458
Do you need to know
all the facts?

201
00:11:37,625 --> 00:11:40,515
Tell me what you think
I need to hear...

202
00:11:40,539 --> 00:11:42,799
...to support you
in your approach.

203
00:11:43,875 --> 00:11:46,917
Okay, well, I'll get started.

204
00:11:47,833 --> 00:11:49,534
It's going to be quite long.

205
00:11:49,833 --> 00:11:51,208
Take your time.

206
00:11:53,179 --> 00:11:56,804
I was sexually assaulted
and raped by my older brother.

207
00:11:57,042 --> 00:11:59,557
From the age of 7.
He was 13 years old.

208
00:12:00,083 --> 00:12:02,346
He tried to sodomise me
when I was 12.

209
00:12:03,333 --> 00:12:05,167
It hurt me, I screamed.

210
00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:07,253
He didn't manage to get back in.

211
00:12:07,583 --> 00:12:09,167
And then he stopped.

212
00:12:10,583 --> 00:12:12,135
I didn't tell anyone.

213
00:12:12,583 --> 00:12:15,833
My parents are divorced.
I wanted to live with my father.

214
00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,581
My mother stayed with my brother.
My half-brother.

215
00:12:19,354 --> 00:12:20,581
I grew up.

216
00:12:21,339 --> 00:12:24,542
I started having friends.
It was a bit complicated.

217
00:12:25,625 --> 00:12:29,208
When I was 17, I told everything
to my boyfriend at the time.

218
00:12:29,375 --> 00:12:30,479
And to my family.

219
00:12:30,886 --> 00:12:33,089
Apart from my maternal grandmother,
they believed me.

220
00:12:33,455 --> 00:12:35,757
She wanted to convince me
not to file a complaint.

221
00:12:35,971 --> 00:12:37,163
But I did it.

222
00:12:37,792 --> 00:12:39,932
There was a trial,
he admitted the facts.

223
00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:44,608
But he said he didn't know
that I didn't want to do it.

224
00:12:45,375 --> 00:12:48,221
That he wasn't mature enough
to understand what he was doing.

225
00:12:49,792 --> 00:12:53,948
I still don't know if he said that
to save himself or if he thought so.

226
00:12:56,083 --> 00:12:59,737
In short, he was convicted of rape,
attempted rape, etc.

227
00:13:00,208 --> 00:13:04,026
He served 3 years in prison
and then he went to live elsewhere.

228
00:13:04,674 --> 00:13:06,581
And we never saw each other again.

229
00:13:07,417 --> 00:13:09,174
That was 12 years ago.

230
00:13:17,875 --> 00:13:19,708
- Judith...
- I'm not available,

231
00:13:19,844 --> 00:13:22,050
I did an interview,
I have to notate it.

232
00:13:27,104 --> 00:13:29,104
At my first trial,
I got 15 years.

233
00:13:29,715 --> 00:13:31,924
At my second trial, on appeal,
another 15 years.

234
00:13:32,497 --> 00:13:33,997
And at the last, 10 years.

235
00:13:34,156 --> 00:13:35,589
I started to think.

236
00:13:35,832 --> 00:13:37,753
The judge saw I wasn't
the same anymore.

237
00:13:38,128 --> 00:13:40,198
I didn't understand why
I got hit with so much.

238
00:13:40,354 --> 00:13:42,958
There was no death,
or injury or stuff involved.

239
00:13:43,533 --> 00:13:45,519
The victims said any old thing.

240
00:13:45,625 --> 00:13:48,575
They confused everyone.
Said I did this and that.

241
00:13:49,762 --> 00:13:51,700
They actually couldn't recognise me.

242
00:13:54,041 --> 00:13:57,223
How do you think the victims
experienced the events?

243
00:13:58,117 --> 00:13:59,159
I don't know.

244
00:14:00,036 --> 00:14:01,384
I wanted to say to them...

245
00:14:01,754 --> 00:14:05,379
"So... I did something stupid,
I'm going to prison. Alright."

246
00:14:06,667 --> 00:14:08,590
“And you, well, it’s over."

247
00:14:09,458 --> 00:14:11,340
"Take your money and go, enjoy!"

248
00:14:11,791 --> 00:14:14,175
“You’re frozen. Gotta move.”

249
00:14:15,292 --> 00:14:17,926
I don't understand why
they can't get over it...

250
00:14:18,402 --> 00:14:19,811
...and that's the truth.

251
00:14:21,632 --> 00:14:23,382
I just don't understand.

252
00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:26,500
Good morning.

253
00:14:27,125 --> 00:14:28,125
Come in.

254
00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:32,042
- I brought you some macaroons.
- No thanks.

255
00:14:32,114 --> 00:14:33,708
They're too sweet for me.

256
00:14:33,866 --> 00:14:35,366
Would you like a coffee?

257
00:14:35,542 --> 00:14:36,667
Perfect.

258
00:14:41,667 --> 00:14:43,273
What do you want from him?

259
00:14:44,361 --> 00:14:46,257
Didn't he have enough problems?

260
00:14:46,917 --> 00:14:50,250
The trial was so hard for him.
He lost everything.

261
00:14:50,651 --> 00:14:53,054
His job, his fiancee, his friends.

262
00:14:54,833 --> 00:14:56,125
He didn't get over it.

263
00:14:56,168 --> 00:14:57,668
I'm not going to bother him.

264
00:14:58,458 --> 00:15:01,000
It's far away now, it's...
It's the past.

265
00:15:27,908 --> 00:15:30,850
The new kitchen tiles
are attractive.

266
00:15:30,917 --> 00:15:32,296
They're not new at all.

267
00:15:33,022 --> 00:15:34,671
At least 10 years old.

268
00:15:35,338 --> 00:15:36,338
Here.

269
00:15:40,464 --> 00:15:41,570
Bitch!

270
00:15:42,937 --> 00:15:44,354
Damned bitch!

271
00:15:45,075 --> 00:15:47,585
What a fucking bitch!

272
00:15:48,468 --> 00:15:49,679
What a damned slut!

273
00:15:49,784 --> 00:15:52,460
Those shitty macaroons
I should have given her.

274
00:15:53,167 --> 00:15:56,042
"Don't worry.
They're not sweet, they're crap."

275
00:15:57,637 --> 00:15:59,140
Are you going to see him?

276
00:15:59,254 --> 00:16:00,921
If he accepts, yes.

277
00:16:01,041 --> 00:16:04,007
- You'll tell him what?
- I'll carry your request...

278
00:16:04,291 --> 00:16:06,780
...stated precisely,
in your own words.

279
00:16:07,338 --> 00:16:08,912
Ah, I've got macaroons.

280
00:16:09,054 --> 00:16:10,451
- Like some?
- No thanks.

281
00:16:12,583 --> 00:16:14,014
They're not sweet.

282
00:16:14,362 --> 00:16:15,584
Well, with pleasure.

283
00:16:15,825 --> 00:16:16,867
After.

284
00:16:17,862 --> 00:16:20,987
Submitting a request means
coming back with an answer.

285
00:16:21,387 --> 00:16:24,069
For you to receive an answer.

286
00:16:24,768 --> 00:16:27,326
If he accepts,
how will you react?

287
00:16:28,765 --> 00:16:30,640
I'll be relieved, I imagine.

288
00:16:30,917 --> 00:16:33,272
Because then
we can sort it all out.

289
00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:36,201
I'll be less afraid all the time,
of running in to him.

290
00:16:37,057 --> 00:16:38,390
But maybe not.

291
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,975
Maybe I'll be very afraid.

292
00:16:41,692 --> 00:16:45,819
I'll become totally insomniac.
Even more than usual.

293
00:16:48,633 --> 00:16:51,920
But if he refuses, it'll be worse,
I think, in terms of stress.

294
00:16:52,314 --> 00:16:54,105
I won't get any sleep.

295
00:16:55,041 --> 00:16:57,166
You won't be able to sleep?

296
00:16:57,411 --> 00:16:58,248
Yeah.

297
00:16:59,605 --> 00:17:03,467
When he stopped, it took me a year
before sleeping again for a full night.

298
00:17:04,042 --> 00:17:06,116
I didn't know
that it stopped for good.

299
00:17:07,708 --> 00:17:09,182
I was waiting for it
to start again.

300
00:17:09,756 --> 00:17:11,280
It had always started again.

301
00:17:12,589 --> 00:17:16,475
When you talk about fear,
what exactly do you mean?

302
00:17:16,627 --> 00:17:19,670
I'm not afraid to see him,
in the sense that he'd attack me.

303
00:17:20,498 --> 00:17:22,201
I'm not afraid of him, actually.

304
00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:24,792
I'm just afraid of...

305
00:17:29,926 --> 00:17:30,926
I don't know.

306
00:17:31,346 --> 00:17:34,569
This dialogue you want
to open with Mr Delarme...

307
00:17:34,631 --> 00:17:37,083
...doesn't have to be
a face-to-face meeting.

308
00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:41,625
There are other ways of dialoguing.
Telephone, exchange of letters...

309
00:17:41,686 --> 00:17:42,991
...videoconferencing...

310
00:17:43,083 --> 00:17:44,542
No, but I want to see him.

311
00:17:44,797 --> 00:17:45,850
It's important.

312
00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:48,905
Why is that important to you?

313
00:17:49,581 --> 00:17:50,701
I don't know.

314
00:17:51,917 --> 00:17:53,444
I feel like I have to.

315
00:17:54,510 --> 00:17:56,576
Yes, hello, my name is Judith.

316
00:17:56,917 --> 00:18:00,045
I'm a lawyer at the Assistance
to Victims Association.

317
00:18:00,648 --> 00:18:03,731
And a trained mediator
for restorative justice.

318
00:18:03,875 --> 00:18:06,764
Am I bothering you?
Is this a good time to talk?

319
00:18:08,875 --> 00:18:11,123
Well, Ms Chloe Delarme
contacted us.

320
00:18:12,258 --> 00:18:16,326
She launched a restorative
mediation initiative on October 8.

321
00:18:17,958 --> 00:18:21,850
She would like to have the opportunity
for an exchange with you...

322
00:18:22,278 --> 00:18:25,237
...in order to agree
on organisational points...

323
00:18:25,420 --> 00:18:28,875
...to make both your daily lives easier
within the same city...

324
00:18:29,018 --> 00:18:30,849
...without crossing paths with you.

325
00:18:33,575 --> 00:18:34,742
Sir?

326
00:18:37,512 --> 00:18:39,435
Sorry, I couldn't hear you anymore.

327
00:18:39,667 --> 00:18:41,295
Why do victims want this?

328
00:18:41,550 --> 00:18:43,084
What do you think about it?

329
00:18:43,339 --> 00:18:45,380
Why do you think they come?

330
00:18:46,515 --> 00:18:47,964
To see if we're sorry...

331
00:18:49,083 --> 00:18:50,159
By...

332
00:18:50,841 --> 00:18:52,591
...not accusing us, but...

333
00:18:53,410 --> 00:18:55,369
...telling us we're guilty.

334
00:18:56,718 --> 00:18:58,675
How would it feel to hear that?

335
00:18:59,191 --> 00:19:00,534
That I'm guilty?

336
00:19:01,893 --> 00:19:03,059
Well, it's true.

337
00:19:03,084 --> 00:19:05,308
There are victims
who are angry.

338
00:19:06,333 --> 00:19:08,437
If they speak to you
a little harshly...

339
00:19:08,972 --> 00:19:10,824
...how do you think
you'd react?

340
00:19:11,668 --> 00:19:13,019
If they say to you...

341
00:19:13,125 --> 00:19:17,113
"Yes, what you did was...

342
00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:20,125
"it's not...
It's just not done!"

343
00:19:20,292 --> 00:19:23,816
You've no respect
for others, or human life.

344
00:19:24,090 --> 00:19:25,562
You are selfish, cowardly.

345
00:19:25,714 --> 00:19:27,541
You play it cool,
but you're not even a man.

346
00:19:27,613 --> 00:19:28,675
That's it.

347
00:19:28,745 --> 00:19:31,458
You... You don't give
enough attention to others.

348
00:19:31,625 --> 00:19:33,073
It's a shame, though.

349
00:19:33,104 --> 00:19:34,831
You didn't pay enough.

350
00:19:35,011 --> 00:19:37,089
You had the choice, not me.

351
00:19:37,832 --> 00:19:40,166
You're going out,
I got a life sentence.

352
00:19:40,325 --> 00:19:42,075
My whole life.

353
00:19:42,674 --> 00:19:45,018
They can. I've no answer.

354
00:19:45,058 --> 00:19:46,958
Maybe you won't hear that.

355
00:19:47,198 --> 00:19:48,979
- No, of course.
- But it can happen.

356
00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:51,120
We want you to be prepared for it.

357
00:19:55,867 --> 00:19:57,432
Thursday, will you have the energy

358
00:19:57,515 --> 00:19:59,307
for an interview after your salsa?

359
00:19:59,590 --> 00:20:02,465
There's a possible niche
for Mrs Benoit

360
00:20:02,648 --> 00:20:04,273
between 7.30 and 8.30pm.

361
00:20:04,417 --> 00:20:07,458
So I'll drop you off at salsa,
I'll wait for you...

362
00:20:07,635 --> 00:20:08,992
..and away you go.

363
00:20:09,167 --> 00:20:11,870
You make life hard.
My boyfriend will kill me.

364
00:20:12,416 --> 00:20:14,141
Does Martine say anything?

365
00:20:14,167 --> 00:20:15,573
He's fed up with me.

366
00:20:38,738 --> 00:20:40,182
- Mr Delarme?
- Yes.

367
00:20:40,775 --> 00:20:41,775
Judith.

368
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,340
<i>- Can you hear me well?</i>
- Fine.

369
00:20:47,492 --> 00:20:50,909
<i>I met Benjamin,
the big brother of my victim, Chloe.</i>

370
00:20:51,012 --> 00:20:52,127
And?

371
00:20:52,292 --> 00:20:54,667
<i>He agrees to enter
into the process.</i>

372
00:20:54,833 --> 00:20:57,667
<i>Even if it's a shock that she
doesn't want to meet him anymore.</i>

373
00:20:57,833 --> 00:20:59,354
He wants to understand why.

374
00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,215
And also why she filed a complaint.

375
00:21:02,406 --> 00:21:03,698
It hurt him.

376
00:21:04,292 --> 00:21:07,917
He didn't know she didn't want to.
She never said no.

377
00:21:08,708 --> 00:21:12,000
He says he never forced her
and that he too was

378
00:21:12,167 --> 00:21:14,542
<i>a child at the time.
He hadn't realised</i>

379
00:21:14,708 --> 00:21:16,167
<i>that it could be serious.</i>

380
00:21:16,333 --> 00:21:20,458
<i>Today, he lives with his girlfriend,
a young woman from the West Indies.</i>

381
00:21:20,833 --> 00:21:22,208
They want a child.

382
00:21:22,375 --> 00:21:24,706
They have a professional project
together.

383
00:21:31,375 --> 00:21:32,135
I continue.

384
00:21:32,167 --> 00:21:33,667
Uh... overwhelming.

385
00:21:33,785 --> 00:21:34,869
Shrivelled.

386
00:21:35,433 --> 00:21:36,600
Anything.

387
00:21:36,925 --> 00:21:40,175
Shrunken? No, but not only
doesn't it fit...

388
00:21:40,333 --> 00:21:42,463
...but we are looking
for a present participle.

389
00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:44,580
Do you understand the principle
of crosswords?

390
00:21:44,708 --> 00:21:46,583
Yes, it fits.

391
00:21:46,758 --> 00:21:48,925
- Ra-ta...
- Tin.

392
00:21:50,457 --> 00:21:52,041
It doesn't fit!

393
00:21:53,958 --> 00:21:57,385
It's unbelievable...
These popcorns are a scourge.

394
00:22:01,958 --> 00:22:03,104
Michel...

395
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:05,901
You are truly an exceptional being.

396
00:22:06,333 --> 00:22:08,526
- Are you aware of it?
- Totally.

397
00:22:08,883 --> 00:22:11,307
Do you think
that you make love well?

398
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:14,768
You have to ask Martine.
But I think I can defend myself.

399
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:15,767
I'm sure.

400
00:22:15,792 --> 00:22:16,792
May I?

401
00:22:16,875 --> 00:22:18,206
- Judith!
- Sit down.

402
00:22:18,250 --> 00:22:19,625
What are you drinking?

403
00:22:19,650 --> 00:22:20,983
A glass of wine.

404
00:22:21,538 --> 00:22:22,538
White.

405
00:22:22,781 --> 00:22:25,502
A glass... sorry... 2 white wines,
please.

406
00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:30,370
It's my guy...
I told him not to wait for me.

407
00:22:30,458 --> 00:22:31,713
Are you still okay?

408
00:22:32,901 --> 00:22:34,002
He pisses us off.

409
00:22:34,127 --> 00:22:38,543
Even without that, I can't
go straight back, I need a screen.

410
00:22:38,625 --> 00:22:39,535
Thank you sir.

411
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:41,142
Have you seen the brother?

412
00:22:41,167 --> 00:22:42,254
I have. So?

413
00:22:42,333 --> 00:22:43,777
Listen, it's okay.

414
00:22:44,297 --> 00:22:45,949
It was tricky, but it happened.

415
00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:48,458
You weren't on tenterhooks?

416
00:22:48,625 --> 00:22:50,042
I don’t think so, why?

417
00:22:50,208 --> 00:22:53,125
I have trouble
with sexual attackers.

418
00:22:53,292 --> 00:22:55,583
Thieves and murderers are fine.

419
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:58,000
I manage, I can get along with them.

420
00:22:58,167 --> 00:22:59,723
But with rapists...

421
00:23:00,051 --> 00:23:02,816
I don't know if I could do
restorative justice with them.

422
00:23:03,015 --> 00:23:05,182
I'll be careful next time.

423
00:23:05,544 --> 00:23:06,475
Cheers.

424
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:07,917
- Cheers.
- Chin.

425
00:23:07,958 --> 00:23:09,625
Here's to friends!

426
00:23:25,375 --> 00:23:26,792
Good morning.

427
00:23:26,958 --> 00:23:29,500
Judith.
Restorative justice.

428
00:23:29,667 --> 00:23:31,250
Gregoire...
Pleased to meet you.

429
00:23:31,417 --> 00:23:32,583
Good morning.

430
00:23:58,417 --> 00:23:59,417
Hello, Judith.

431
00:23:59,550 --> 00:24:02,508
This is Nawelle.
Judith, who works with us.

432
00:24:02,667 --> 00:24:03,827
- Hello, Sabine.
- Gregoire.

433
00:24:03,958 --> 00:24:04,758
Sabine.

434
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,240
- Nice to meet you, Nawelle.
- Nawelle.

435
00:24:06,333 --> 00:24:07,583
Hello, Gregoire. How are you?

436
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:08,992
- Thanks very much.
- Sabine.

437
00:25:01,856 --> 00:25:05,387
Here, let me introduce you
to Yvette and Cyril.

438
00:25:05,676 --> 00:25:08,667
As explained, they will be
present at the meetings.

439
00:25:08,833 --> 00:25:12,083
This is where things will happen.
plenary meetings...

440
00:25:12,171 --> 00:25:14,012
...starting next week.

441
00:25:14,625 --> 00:25:15,558
Some water?

442
00:25:15,606 --> 00:25:16,948
There's coffee too.

443
00:25:17,098 --> 00:25:18,317
I'd like a coffee.

444
00:25:18,436 --> 00:25:19,436
Well, me too.

445
00:25:19,625 --> 00:25:20,458
A coffee.

446
00:25:20,577 --> 00:25:21,577
Sabine?

447
00:25:21,667 --> 00:25:23,418
- You want something?
- No, no, thank you.

448
00:25:25,417 --> 00:25:27,270
- I'm going to have a glass of water.
- Yes.

449
00:25:34,583 --> 00:25:35,981
Your coffee is good.

450
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,830
Thank you, but I didn't...

451
00:25:38,051 --> 00:25:40,343
I'm not used to
something big like that.

452
00:25:40,542 --> 00:25:42,645
It must be better
than that of the office.

453
00:25:43,169 --> 00:25:46,153
I saw a psychologist for a year.
And it did me good.

454
00:25:47,125 --> 00:25:48,981
I sleep better, for example.

455
00:25:50,473 --> 00:25:51,473
But...

456
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,612
this pain, this wound,
that I have deep inside me...

457
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:58,122
It can't heal.

458
00:25:58,379 --> 00:25:59,723
Nobody understands it.

459
00:26:00,508 --> 00:26:02,716
I won't talk about
what it did to me.

460
00:26:02,917 --> 00:26:04,042
Me neither.

461
00:26:04,208 --> 00:26:06,875
I don't talk about it anymore either.
Even to my husband.

462
00:26:07,042 --> 00:26:08,708
And yet, he's great.

463
00:26:09,250 --> 00:26:11,417
My children don't understand
my approach.

464
00:26:11,583 --> 00:26:13,917
They're afraid that I'll relapse!

465
00:26:14,083 --> 00:26:15,083
Yeah.

466
00:26:15,161 --> 00:26:16,887
It never left!

467
00:26:16,958 --> 00:26:17,793
No.

468
00:26:18,875 --> 00:26:20,247
I'm going there,
like to a fight.

469
00:26:20,417 --> 00:26:22,000
With respect, but...

470
00:26:22,167 --> 00:26:23,801
For me, these people
are heartless.

471
00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:28,965
They do terrible things and they say...
“Had no choice, it was the poverty.”

472
00:26:29,208 --> 00:26:31,372
They shouldn't say
that kind of thing.

473
00:26:31,625 --> 00:26:34,500
I shan't let it happen.
I refuse to hear it.

474
00:26:35,062 --> 00:26:36,120
Are you angry?

475
00:26:36,198 --> 00:26:37,198
Of course.

476
00:26:37,583 --> 00:26:38,870
Aren't you?

477
00:26:40,206 --> 00:26:41,247
I don't know.

478
00:26:44,945 --> 00:26:46,182
I'm going to get some coffee.

479
00:26:46,223 --> 00:26:47,390
- Want some?
- No.

480
00:26:47,542 --> 00:26:49,002
I wouldn't mind one.

481
00:26:49,219 --> 00:26:50,511
I wanted to tell you.

482
00:26:51,098 --> 00:26:53,473
When I saw you in the car,

483
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:55,792
I thought you were
one of the criminals.

484
00:26:57,992 --> 00:26:59,575
I was scared, sorry.

485
00:26:59,656 --> 00:27:00,656
It doesn't matter.

486
00:27:00,841 --> 00:27:03,792
I'd imagined that there'd be
only women, I don't know why.

487
00:27:04,856 --> 00:27:06,523
It's good that there's a man.

488
00:27:07,167 --> 00:27:08,596
You'll protect us.

489
00:27:09,034 --> 00:27:11,690
How will you dress?
I'm worried.

490
00:27:11,791 --> 00:27:12,807
- Yes, so am I.
- You are?

491
00:27:12,885 --> 00:27:15,397
It's serious. But why do we
torture ourselves?

492
00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:26,549
Want to go outside?

493
00:27:26,739 --> 00:27:27,737
No.

494
00:27:28,333 --> 00:27:29,924
Don't you want to go
to a restaurant?

495
00:27:30,042 --> 00:27:31,362
No, I brought soup.

496
00:27:33,223 --> 00:27:34,518
You go.

497
00:27:36,971 --> 00:27:38,081
Is your back okay?

498
00:27:38,385 --> 00:27:40,072
Yeah, at the moment.

499
00:27:41,714 --> 00:27:43,229
Are you tired or something?

500
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,174
I am a bit. But it's alright.

501
00:27:47,291 --> 00:27:49,207
I'm going to leave early today.

502
00:27:51,583 --> 00:27:53,940
Mr Delarme has accepted your request.

503
00:27:54,667 --> 00:27:57,690
He agrees to engage
a dialogue in any form.

504
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,909
He wants to talk with you.

505
00:28:00,465 --> 00:28:02,315
He has questions to ask you.

506
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:05,112
- He has questions?
- Yes.

507
00:28:10,375 --> 00:28:11,500
All right.

508
00:28:12,542 --> 00:28:14,674
What does it do to you,
to receive this response?

509
00:28:15,167 --> 00:28:16,542
I'm thinking back...

510
00:28:16,956 --> 00:28:18,635
The last time we communicated,

511
00:28:18,667 --> 00:28:21,002
It was via a notary,
when our mother died.

512
00:28:21,292 --> 00:28:23,557
We agreed to refuse
the inheritance.

513
00:28:24,273 --> 00:28:25,815
Will you tell me more?

514
00:28:26,012 --> 00:28:27,487
About the inheritance?

515
00:28:27,583 --> 00:28:30,237
Well, there wasn't any, exactly.

516
00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:31,846
Only debts.

517
00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:34,346
She was so lost,
my mother, poor thing.

518
00:28:36,223 --> 00:28:39,620
She had Benjamin very young.
The father left.

519
00:28:40,125 --> 00:28:41,502
My father raised him.

520
00:28:41,708 --> 00:28:43,042
It wasn't easy.

521
00:28:43,278 --> 00:28:46,292
He wasn't there often.
He's a salesman, my father.

522
00:28:46,838 --> 00:28:50,487
With Benjamin, it was tense.
There was screaming.

523
00:28:51,315 --> 00:28:52,737
Except when we did it.

524
00:28:53,746 --> 00:28:55,038
I realised it.

525
00:28:55,292 --> 00:28:57,604
When we did it,
afterwards, it was cool at home.

526
00:28:58,339 --> 00:29:00,255
Benjamin was nice to my mother.

527
00:29:01,831 --> 00:29:03,247
But otherwise...

528
00:29:04,674 --> 00:29:06,382
She didn't know how to cope.

529
00:29:06,596 --> 00:29:08,010
She was taking medication.

530
00:29:08,042 --> 00:29:10,917
When my father left,
she remained in her bed.

531
00:29:12,801 --> 00:29:14,596
Sometimes, fortunately,
my brother was there...

532
00:29:14,651 --> 00:29:17,206
...otherwise, it would have been
chocolate biscuits at every meal.

533
00:29:18,042 --> 00:29:19,566
She didn't come to the trial.

534
00:29:20,343 --> 00:29:22,500
She didn't know where to sit.

535
00:29:24,445 --> 00:29:26,195
I'll never know
what she knew...

536
00:29:27,965 --> 00:29:30,340
...If she understood
what was happening to us.

537
00:29:31,593 --> 00:29:33,488
In the adjacent room.

538
00:29:35,012 --> 00:29:36,488
Did she see something?

539
00:29:38,268 --> 00:29:39,551
What do you think?

540
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:47,605
One night my brother went out
from my bedroom.

541
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,863
He walked quietly towards his.
I heard my mother.

542
00:29:53,511 --> 00:29:54,761
"What are you doing?"

543
00:29:55,375 --> 00:29:57,762
He's answered...
“She couldn’t sleep.”

544
00:29:58,292 --> 00:30:00,458
The day after,
I heard them in the kitchen.

545
00:30:00,577 --> 00:30:02,792
As I entered,
the conversation stopped.

546
00:30:04,312 --> 00:30:07,354
Who knows about this approach
of yours, amongst those close to you?

547
00:30:07,629 --> 00:30:09,698
No one. I don't talk about it.

548
00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,371
I don't want to worry them.

549
00:30:11,981 --> 00:30:14,168
My father could have another attack.

550
00:30:15,081 --> 00:30:17,308
Do you ever use a paid friend?

551
00:30:17,612 --> 00:30:19,097
A friend you pay?

552
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:20,333
Er yes.

553
00:30:20,366 --> 00:30:21,824
It's a term we use.

554
00:30:22,617 --> 00:30:24,825
I'm not supposed to say that.
A psychologist.

555
00:30:26,565 --> 00:30:27,648
A psychologist.
- Yeah.

556
00:30:27,877 --> 00:30:29,793
No, no, I don't have a psychologist.

557
00:30:30,542 --> 00:30:31,667
- A paid friend?
- Yes.

558
00:30:31,833 --> 00:30:32,637
Not bad.

559
00:30:32,662 --> 00:30:33,703
Yes not bad.

560
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,472
Mr Delarme says he's been
very unwell for two weeks.

561
00:30:41,958 --> 00:30:44,958
Things have come up
since our first interview.

562
00:30:45,125 --> 00:30:47,708
The trial, the prison.

563
00:30:48,208 --> 00:30:49,910
“I was treated like a rapist."

564
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,777
“I was called a paedophile.”

565
00:30:54,677 --> 00:30:56,719
He says he has normal sexuality.

566
00:30:57,042 --> 00:30:59,113
He says he never forced her.

567
00:30:59,708 --> 00:31:03,879
He's sorry if his sister suffered,
but he too suffered a lot.

568
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:06,051
They both suffered.

569
00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:34,754
There are two doors.

570
00:31:35,333 --> 00:31:38,894
One goes to detention
and the other to outside.

571
00:31:39,099 --> 00:31:41,566
You will enter through
the detention door...

572
00:31:41,924 --> 00:31:44,285
...and you will sit down
on these chairs.

573
00:31:44,583 --> 00:31:46,285
Which chair do you want?

574
00:31:47,002 --> 00:31:48,472
I don't know. There?

575
00:31:49,090 --> 00:31:51,583
When you enter,
the victims will be seated.

576
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:52,750
There.

577
00:31:52,864 --> 00:31:54,739
How would you like to greet them?

578
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,926
I don't know.

579
00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:58,041
Some people don't want
to shake hands.

580
00:31:58,208 --> 00:31:59,583
I don't want to either.

581
00:31:59,750 --> 00:32:01,847
I'll just nod at them.

582
00:32:02,298 --> 00:32:04,199
I made a chocolate log.

583
00:32:04,554 --> 00:32:05,840
Everyone likes it.

584
00:32:05,958 --> 00:32:07,519
Mm, it looks good.

585
00:32:07,894 --> 00:32:09,394
I'll say everything right away.

586
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,980
At the first meeting,
I will be free, at peace.

587
00:32:36,567 --> 00:32:37,441
Hello.

588
00:32:41,242 --> 00:32:42,582
Hello everyone.

589
00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:44,042
Welcome.

590
00:32:44,199 --> 00:32:46,160
Thank you very much
for being here.

591
00:32:46,375 --> 00:32:50,958
This is where we will meet,
every Tuesday, for 5 weeks...

592
00:32:51,125 --> 00:32:53,324
...for 3-hour meetings.

593
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:57,725
Then, 2 months later,
for a review meeting.

594
00:32:58,625 --> 00:33:00,607
Here is the speaking stick.

595
00:33:00,958 --> 00:33:03,792
Each person wishing to speak...

596
00:33:03,958 --> 00:33:06,458
...must do it
while holding this stick.

597
00:33:06,625 --> 00:33:10,625
Your speech ends
when you put it back in the centre...

598
00:33:10,713 --> 00:33:12,338
...or give it to another participant.

599
00:33:13,721 --> 00:33:15,767
We are moved and very happy...

600
00:33:15,792 --> 00:33:18,083
...to find you
and start in these meetings.

601
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,447
It was great for us
to be with you all these months.

602
00:33:23,114 --> 00:33:25,926
We already wanted
to thank you for your trust.

603
00:33:28,132 --> 00:33:29,676
You already know us.

604
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:33,114
But you don't know well
the community members,

605
00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:35,542
...who will introduce
themselves to you.

606
00:33:36,917 --> 00:33:41,067
Hello everyone...
My name is Yvette, I'm 62.

607
00:33:41,667 --> 00:33:45,622
I worked for a long time
in personnel in a large firm.

608
00:33:46,292 --> 00:33:48,489
I'm also a prison visitor.

609
00:33:49,208 --> 00:33:51,958
As a member
of the volunteer community...

610
00:33:52,125 --> 00:33:54,924
...I'm here to listen to you,
hear you...

611
00:33:55,192 --> 00:33:57,651
...accompany you, support you...

612
00:33:57,833 --> 00:33:59,667
...unconditionally.

613
00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:01,279
Thank you, Yvette.

614
00:34:01,358 --> 00:34:02,310
Cyril?

615
00:34:02,458 --> 00:34:04,000
Hello, I'm Cyril.

616
00:34:04,167 --> 00:34:07,208
I'm 41.
I'm a film-production props specialist.

617
00:34:07,503 --> 00:34:09,201
I am a volunteer, like Yvette.

618
00:34:09,287 --> 00:34:12,912
I come like her to support you
during these meetings.

619
00:34:13,208 --> 00:34:15,333
And tell you, by my presence...

620
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:17,830
...that the company
has an interest in you.

621
00:34:18,375 --> 00:34:20,000
It's interested in you.

622
00:34:20,932 --> 00:34:22,750
I don't quite have the words,
but...

623
00:34:22,877 --> 00:34:23,830
That's it.

624
00:34:24,129 --> 00:34:25,379
That's all.

625
00:34:25,468 --> 00:34:29,551
We'll start by going around a ring,
so you can introduce yourself...

626
00:34:29,875 --> 00:34:34,830
and explain why you're participating
in this restorative justice system.

627
00:34:35,515 --> 00:34:37,307
What your motivations are.

628
00:34:37,567 --> 00:34:39,174
And also, your expectations.

629
00:34:40,317 --> 00:34:41,932
Who wants to get us started?

630
00:34:51,721 --> 00:34:53,137
My name is Nawelle.

631
00:34:53,898 --> 00:34:55,084
I am 39

632
00:34:55,201 --> 00:34:57,830
I was attacked at the supermarket
where I work, 5 years ago.

633
00:34:59,458 --> 00:35:01,229
I don't expect anything from you.

634
00:35:01,752 --> 00:35:04,853
I come to tell you what happens
to the victims of your crimes.

635
00:35:05,625 --> 00:35:07,877
So that you understand
the damage.

636
00:35:08,226 --> 00:35:09,799
How you destroy lives.

637
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:12,916
For money, for...
To make you laugh.

638
00:35:13,531 --> 00:35:14,752
I don't know what.

639
00:35:15,071 --> 00:35:18,596
When you attack someone,
there are other victims.

640
00:35:19,035 --> 00:35:21,440
Families, partner, children.

641
00:35:21,716 --> 00:35:23,815
I want for you to understood that.

642
00:35:24,338 --> 00:35:26,268
I want to hear from other victims.

643
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:27,635
Already...

644
00:35:28,042 --> 00:35:31,093
...just our last meeting
did me good.

645
00:35:31,526 --> 00:35:33,281
To be able to exchange with you.

646
00:35:33,667 --> 00:35:35,648
With people who understand me.

647
00:35:36,963 --> 00:35:38,921
I'm tired of being
a burden on my family.

648
00:35:39,105 --> 00:35:40,730
They did what they could.

649
00:35:41,214 --> 00:35:43,070
They were very nice, but...

650
00:35:44,723 --> 00:35:47,397
It's more of an effort for them.
It's...

651
00:35:48,458 --> 00:35:50,218
It's up to me to get out of this.

652
00:35:50,419 --> 00:35:51,921
That's why I'm here.

653
00:35:58,624 --> 00:36:02,265
I'm Gregoire, I'm 46.
I'm a bodybuilder.

654
00:36:04,503 --> 00:36:07,625
I got robbed at my house,
with my daughter, 3 years ago.

655
00:36:08,841 --> 00:36:11,328
I am here to understand
why the perpetrators do it.

656
00:36:12,916 --> 00:36:14,937
And to help them not re-offend.

657
00:36:17,458 --> 00:36:20,664
I don't like prison...
I find it useless.

658
00:36:21,125 --> 00:36:25,578
I find it horrible to see people
come out of prison even more broken down.

659
00:36:25,938 --> 00:36:27,632
It's not a solution.

660
00:36:28,375 --> 00:36:29,708
Apart from that...

661
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:31,953
Me too, I'm fed up...

662
00:36:32,395 --> 00:36:34,319
.. with not recovering
from what happened to me.

663
00:36:35,348 --> 00:36:36,773
I've tried everything.

664
00:36:37,261 --> 00:36:38,970
Really a lot of things...

665
00:36:39,945 --> 00:36:41,507
...to turn over a new leaf.

666
00:36:42,754 --> 00:36:44,023
But I can't do it.

667
00:36:46,002 --> 00:36:47,543
I'm not like before.

668
00:36:50,012 --> 00:36:51,976
My life is no longer the same as before.

669
00:36:54,176 --> 00:36:56,426
In short, it was better before.

670
00:37:10,246 --> 00:37:11,246
Thanks.

671
00:37:12,207 --> 00:37:15,024
My name's Issa, I'm 25.

672
00:37:15,425 --> 00:37:17,183
I robbed a convenience store.

673
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,785
I have been in prison
for 4 years.

674
00:37:19,882 --> 00:37:22,769
I am here because
I want to clean up my life.

675
00:37:23,708 --> 00:37:25,840
I want to go out
and provide for my wife.

676
00:37:26,250 --> 00:37:27,301
She is pregnant.

677
00:37:28,125 --> 00:37:30,000
I don't want to go back
to violence.

678
00:37:30,167 --> 00:37:33,582
If I can respond to the victims,
maybe it can help them.

679
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:49,418
My name's Sabine.

680
00:37:49,966 --> 00:37:53,598
I was the victim of a bag-snatching
in the street, I was 64 years old.

681
00:37:54,113 --> 00:37:55,780
It was 7 years ago.

682
00:37:56,575 --> 00:38:00,284
A scooter passed by,
They tried to snatch my bag.

683
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,575
I was dragged to the footpath.

684
00:38:03,083 --> 00:38:05,293
It unbalanced the scooter,

685
00:38:05,708 --> 00:38:08,410
The thief fell,
and he was very angry.

686
00:38:09,292 --> 00:38:12,223
He kicked my hands and arms.

687
00:38:12,494 --> 00:38:13,864
He insulted me.

688
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:16,660
After that, I had a lot
of health problems.

689
00:38:17,046 --> 00:38:19,088
I was in hospital for 2 months.

690
00:38:19,333 --> 00:38:21,792
There were a lot of complications.

691
00:38:22,625 --> 00:38:25,395
I'm here because I want
to understand this violence.

692
00:38:26,315 --> 00:38:27,690
I don't understand...

693
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:31,312
I don't understand this violence.

694
00:38:31,831 --> 00:38:33,289
I understand youth more.

695
00:38:33,542 --> 00:38:36,250
Violence, everywhere,
in the words.

696
00:38:36,417 --> 00:38:38,395
I feel like I'm coming
from another planet.

697
00:38:38,942 --> 00:38:40,653
I don't want to be afraid anymore.

698
00:38:42,004 --> 00:38:43,588
I want this to be behind me.

699
00:38:44,978 --> 00:38:46,019
That's all.

700
00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:48,250
I stop here.

701
00:38:59,333 --> 00:39:01,167
My name is Thomas.

702
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:03,792
I did a lot of stupid things,
for years.

703
00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:09,215
I'm 44.
I've spent 19 years in prison...

704
00:39:09,538 --> 00:39:10,538
...all up.

705
00:39:11,708 --> 00:39:14,458
On the whole,
my personal assessment is...

706
00:39:14,954 --> 00:39:16,245
I'm bad.

707
00:39:18,369 --> 00:39:20,285
I always destroyed everything.

708
00:39:21,794 --> 00:39:24,481
Today I want to participate.

709
00:39:25,942 --> 00:39:27,660
Because, for the first time...

710
00:39:27,753 --> 00:39:29,481
...I want to try
to not come back here.

711
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:35,356
I want to try to do something
positive, for once in my life.

712
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,957
I'd like to answer your questions
and if it helps you...

713
00:39:42,363 --> 00:39:43,807
...that'll be a start for me.

714
00:39:57,458 --> 00:40:00,495
I've been in prison for 9 years.
I'm due to get out soon.

715
00:40:01,041 --> 00:40:02,667
I did a home-jacking.

716
00:40:03,417 --> 00:40:06,292
I come to meet victims
to understand them better.

717
00:40:06,773 --> 00:40:08,702
Come out of my shell.

718
00:40:12,208 --> 00:40:15,921
Thank you very much to each of you.

719
00:40:16,363 --> 00:40:19,322
Someone wishes to speak first...

720
00:40:19,887 --> 00:40:21,484
...to tell his story?

721
00:40:34,507 --> 00:40:36,799
I was a cashier
in a small supermarket.

722
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,840
One day...

723
00:40:42,875 --> 00:40:44,917
It was almost closing time...

724
00:40:45,507 --> 00:40:47,424
A man walked in, all in black.

725
00:40:48,242 --> 00:40:51,409
Balaclava, gloves...
He wore aviator goggles.

726
00:40:51,583 --> 00:40:53,484
Lens that look like mirrors.

727
00:40:55,333 --> 00:40:58,167
You could see nothing of him,
not even the colour of his skin.

728
00:40:59,917 --> 00:41:02,632
He had his gun out. He said...
“This is a robbery.”

729
00:41:03,007 --> 00:41:04,632
I was very surprised.

730
00:41:05,375 --> 00:41:06,789
I said, “What do you mean?”

731
00:41:07,508 --> 00:41:11,175
I didn't realise
that I'd said it out loud.

732
00:41:11,333 --> 00:41:13,312
It just came out
without me wanting it to.

733
00:41:15,010 --> 00:41:16,625
He walked towards me.

734
00:41:18,187 --> 00:41:20,437
He put his gun between my eyes there.

735
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:22,851
He said, “Don’t you understand?”

736
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:25,039
I saw myself in his goggles.

737
00:41:25,708 --> 00:41:29,125
My own face,
with the gun resting between my eyes.

738
00:41:29,617 --> 00:41:31,105
I thought he was going
to kill me...

739
00:41:31,596 --> 00:41:33,189
...that my time had come.

740
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,877
He put his hand on my shoulder.

741
00:41:36,958 --> 00:41:38,807
He gently pushed me
towards the floor.

742
00:41:39,875 --> 00:41:41,291
He looked at my colleague.

743
00:41:41,792 --> 00:41:43,833
He aimed at her, he said: "Down."

744
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,583
The manager arrived.
The man aimed his gun at him.

745
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:50,000
He asked for the money.
They went behind.

746
00:41:50,128 --> 00:41:51,705
I could see underneath
my cash register.

747
00:41:52,583 --> 00:41:53,588
The dust.

748
00:41:54,085 --> 00:41:55,432
A brown elastic band.

749
00:41:55,846 --> 00:41:57,304
A 20 cent coin.

750
00:41:58,093 --> 00:42:00,260
I don't know how long after,

751
00:42:00,875 --> 00:42:03,417
I don't know if it was one
or ten minutes,

752
00:42:03,799 --> 00:42:05,791
It felt like an hour...

753
00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:09,542
One hour, the brown elastic band...

754
00:42:09,708 --> 00:42:11,877
...the dust, the coin...

755
00:42:12,557 --> 00:42:14,265
The manager came to me.

756
00:42:14,471 --> 00:42:16,939
He said, "He's gone."
He was white as a sheet.

757
00:42:17,747 --> 00:42:21,456
We stood up, with my colleague.
She was crying, I couldn't.

758
00:42:22,106 --> 00:42:25,398
Sometimes I tell myself
that if I'd cried at the time...

759
00:42:25,581 --> 00:42:27,494
...I wouldn't have collapsed afterwards.

760
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:29,596
My colleague had nightmares.

761
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:30,842
She got scared.

762
00:42:31,214 --> 00:42:33,561
Two weeks later, she was
back behind the cash register.

763
00:42:33,956 --> 00:42:35,289
Life resumed.

764
00:42:36,557 --> 00:42:38,098
But I went downhill.

765
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,158
I don't do anything anymore.

766
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:45,537
I developed phobias outside.

767
00:42:46,078 --> 00:42:47,078
In the...

768
00:42:47,924 --> 00:42:51,118
In the street, in transport,
shops.

769
00:42:52,176 --> 00:42:53,635
I don't leave home anymore.

770
00:42:54,156 --> 00:42:57,127
I'm not working.
I'm not taking my kids out.

771
00:42:57,917 --> 00:43:00,369
I watch TV.
I'm putting on weight.

772
00:43:00,833 --> 00:43:03,708
To sleep, pills.
To go out, sedatives.

773
00:43:03,875 --> 00:43:06,250
To go at my daughter's
dance performance...

774
00:43:06,742 --> 00:43:08,617
Otherwise, I have panic attacks.

775
00:43:10,083 --> 00:43:11,642
I do less housework.

776
00:43:12,167 --> 00:43:14,869
I'm bad-tempered with my children,
with my husband.

777
00:43:15,537 --> 00:43:17,671
They want for me to go back
to the way I was before.

778
00:43:18,471 --> 00:43:20,304
I used to be smiling.

779
00:43:20,573 --> 00:43:22,494
I was... I was happy.

780
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:25,920
Now I get angry about nothing.

781
00:43:26,487 --> 00:43:27,745
I'm angry all the time.

782
00:43:32,542 --> 00:43:34,208
I'm a bad mother.

783
00:43:44,583 --> 00:43:46,385
My attacker hasn't been found.

784
00:43:47,739 --> 00:43:49,198
He has no face, no name.

785
00:43:51,007 --> 00:43:52,862
I tell myself he will come back.

786
00:43:53,127 --> 00:43:54,377
But it's forced.

787
00:43:55,042 --> 00:43:56,502
He knows me,
he's seen me.

788
00:43:56,854 --> 00:43:58,752
He'll finish the job,
and me too.

789
00:43:59,190 --> 00:44:01,856
We filed a complaint,
he might be angry.

790
00:44:02,125 --> 00:44:03,721
Maybe he lives nearby.

791
00:44:04,879 --> 00:44:06,338
I think about that
all the time.

792
00:44:06,898 --> 00:44:07,932
All the time.

793
00:44:14,632 --> 00:44:15,932
So that's it.

794
00:44:17,833 --> 00:44:20,276
The robbery lasted 10 minutes,
5 years ago.

795
00:44:20,792 --> 00:44:24,471
It was just 10 minutes of my life,
and my previous life is over.

796
00:44:25,481 --> 00:44:26,981
10 minutes for nothing.

797
00:44:27,473 --> 00:44:28,557
For nothing!

798
00:44:28,867 --> 00:44:30,409
For money, for...

799
00:44:41,708 --> 00:44:44,557
Would anyone like to speak?

800
00:44:58,875 --> 00:44:59,698
Cigarettes?

801
00:44:59,750 --> 00:45:01,518
No, thank you...
I've stopped.

802
00:45:02,401 --> 00:45:03,442
Well done.

803
00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:18,737
One went into
my daughter's room.

804
00:45:18,830 --> 00:45:20,674
Two others took me
down to the living room.

805
00:45:21,708 --> 00:45:24,909
They wanted the code to my safe.
I often have cash in it.

806
00:45:25,731 --> 00:45:29,643
I said I didn't know it.
It was true, I'd changed it.

807
00:45:30,391 --> 00:45:31,675
He wasn't buying it.

808
00:45:31,994 --> 00:45:35,291
I said it was on a piece of paper
in my bedside table.

809
00:45:35,958 --> 00:45:38,002
The nervous guy
came up to my bedroom.

810
00:45:38,075 --> 00:45:40,242
He couldn't find it.
He made a mess.

811
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,667
The one who was with me
was calm.

812
00:45:43,090 --> 00:45:44,882
I asked where my daughter was.

813
00:45:45,939 --> 00:45:47,296
He said “In her room.”

814
00:45:47,369 --> 00:45:49,760
I said “Get her,
I want her with me.”

815
00:45:51,127 --> 00:45:54,768
It upsets him that the other one
didn't find the code. He gets angry.

816
00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:56,522
He said, “Are you sure
it’s there?”

817
00:45:57,456 --> 00:45:58,760
I said, “I swear.”

818
00:45:59,414 --> 00:46:01,195
The nervous one
came back down and said...

819
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,338
"There's no piece of paper,
only clothes."

820
00:46:04,596 --> 00:46:07,206
I said, "No, not the dresser,
the bedside table."

821
00:46:07,424 --> 00:46:08,757
The calm one said...

822
00:46:08,845 --> 00:46:11,165
“The bedside table,
you cretin.”

823
00:46:11,417 --> 00:46:12,417
He left again.

824
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:14,542
He quickly came back
with the code.

825
00:46:15,991 --> 00:46:17,275
I said it was it.

826
00:46:17,866 --> 00:46:19,283
They went to the safe.

827
00:46:20,765 --> 00:46:23,473
And then I heard...
“This is it”

828
00:46:24,534 --> 00:46:27,198
The 3rd one, in my daughter's room,
went down.

829
00:46:28,167 --> 00:46:30,750
I said...
"Where is my daughter? Untie me!"

830
00:46:32,031 --> 00:46:33,239
They left.

831
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:36,229
I called my daughter,
she didn't answer.

832
00:46:37,664 --> 00:46:39,706
I screamed her name
a dozen times.

833
00:46:40,997 --> 00:46:42,497
I had a...

834
00:46:42,901 --> 00:46:44,734
...the taste of iron
in my mouth.

835
00:46:45,583 --> 00:46:50,167
Because I was afraid.
Just talking about it, I still feel it.

836
00:46:51,781 --> 00:46:53,823
I was scared, it was horrible.

837
00:46:54,828 --> 00:46:58,578
I dragged myself on the ground
to the front door.

838
00:46:58,792 --> 00:47:02,737
I screamed outside for 5 minutes,
I woke up the neighbours...

839
00:47:03,208 --> 00:47:05,083
...who arrived, and untied me.

840
00:47:05,708 --> 00:47:08,438
I rushed into my daughter's room.
She was...

841
00:47:09,424 --> 00:47:10,751
...bound and gagged.

842
00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:13,532
I looked to see if she was hurt.
“Are you alright?”

843
00:47:13,815 --> 00:47:14,981
No harm.

844
00:47:17,083 --> 00:47:20,345
The guy who was with her
had a bladed weapon, a knife.

845
00:47:22,708 --> 00:47:25,417
At trial he denied it,
but my daughter saw it.

846
00:47:27,376 --> 00:47:29,767
The defence lawyer said
that she had perhaps seen wrongly.

847
00:47:32,958 --> 00:47:35,792
It was very hard for her,
not being believed.

848
00:47:37,098 --> 00:47:39,307
At the trial, I could've killed them
with my hands.

849
00:47:39,481 --> 00:47:41,481
Except my hands were shaking.

850
00:47:42,425 --> 00:47:43,813
Like a derelict.

851
00:47:46,666 --> 00:47:49,874
I blame myself for not having
heard them entering my house.

852
00:47:50,458 --> 00:47:53,845
They went through the door.
It squeaks, I know the noise well.

853
00:47:55,367 --> 00:47:58,325
They went up,
they took the stairs.

854
00:47:58,742 --> 00:47:59,993
It's still the same.

855
00:48:00,332 --> 00:48:02,415
I know those noises very well.

856
00:48:03,371 --> 00:48:04,938
The creaking of the steps.

857
00:48:08,042 --> 00:48:10,083
But I didn't hear a thing.

858
00:48:12,633 --> 00:48:14,050
And I didn't do anything.

859
00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:20,274
After that,
I had very severe depression.

860
00:48:21,526 --> 00:48:22,859
We divorced.

861
00:48:23,417 --> 00:48:25,876
I had money problems,
my firm collapsed.

862
00:48:26,187 --> 00:48:28,187
I slept in my truck.

863
00:48:29,171 --> 00:48:30,546
I was knocked out.

864
00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:39,259
My father said... “To succeed in life,

865
00:48:40,042 --> 00:48:43,250
“It’s about being
a good father and a good husband.”

866
00:48:49,135 --> 00:48:52,532
I know my accomplice well,
we are from the same neighbourhood.

867
00:48:52,792 --> 00:48:55,032
He's very tall, 6 foot 7...

868
00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:58,298
...with a body that is so weird,
long arms and everything.

869
00:48:58,958 --> 00:49:02,251
I'd sworn to myself
never to make any moves with him.

870
00:49:02,770 --> 00:49:04,360
He's easy to find.

871
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:07,181
There, I was in a hurry.
I said, OK, come on. And There you go.

872
00:49:07,765 --> 00:49:09,352
They found him straight off.

873
00:49:09,632 --> 00:49:11,933
The cops soon realised
he was retarded.

874
00:49:12,063 --> 00:49:14,532
So I must have been the brains.
And it was true.

875
00:49:15,142 --> 00:49:16,720
Normally, it's not me.

876
00:49:16,875 --> 00:49:18,415
I don't normally organise.

877
00:49:19,375 --> 00:49:21,411
I never decided anything.

878
00:49:21,899 --> 00:49:23,110
I was offered things.

879
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,962
I'd say okay and that was it.

880
00:49:25,246 --> 00:49:26,621
It happens fast.

881
00:49:26,788 --> 00:49:29,317
Nothing is planned locally
when you've dropped out of school.

882
00:49:29,515 --> 00:49:30,807
And then, it's too easy.

883
00:49:31,208 --> 00:49:34,958
To find weapons,
friends to do jobs with.

884
00:49:35,125 --> 00:49:38,250
Robberies, like you said,
can take 3 minutes.

885
00:49:38,417 --> 00:49:39,806
And you get a lot of money.

886
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,165
Nobody gives you a job
when you look for one.

887
00:49:42,583 --> 00:49:45,517
I needed money,
so I did that robbery.

888
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:48,056
But first, I did others.

889
00:49:49,458 --> 00:49:51,977
Then... I did lots
of other stuff.

890
00:49:52,210 --> 00:49:54,220
But now I regret it,
'coz it got out of hand.

891
00:49:54,706 --> 00:49:57,376
It's gone too far,
and I didn't want that.

892
00:49:58,511 --> 00:50:02,386
I've listened to your stories.
There are things I never imagined.

893
00:50:02,927 --> 00:50:04,360
The truth.

894
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:06,415
I ask forgiveness.

895
00:50:06,590 --> 00:50:07,924
Sincerely...

896
00:50:08,215 --> 00:50:09,549
...I apologize.

897
00:50:18,609 --> 00:50:20,437
Sorry, I can't listen to that.

898
00:50:20,656 --> 00:50:22,437
I lacked everything
when I was young.

899
00:50:22,583 --> 00:50:26,218
I was in a foster home, I was placed.
I didn't make those choices.

900
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:28,679
And don't tell me
that you looked for a job.

901
00:50:29,213 --> 00:50:30,835
Did you do it once?

902
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,739
Did you send a CV?

903
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,835
You had a job interview?

904
00:50:40,627 --> 00:50:42,710
No, I'm telling you the truth.

905
00:50:43,348 --> 00:50:45,976
But my sisters,
my cousins struggled.

906
00:50:46,333 --> 00:50:48,708
Job Centre, it seems,
it's very poorly organised.

907
00:50:52,917 --> 00:50:55,203
All right.
Is it Job Centre's fault?

908
00:50:55,323 --> 00:50:57,054
No, I'm not saying that.

909
00:50:57,233 --> 00:51:00,373
It's not nobody's fault.
It's your fault.

910
00:51:00,687 --> 00:51:02,335
You had a choice, you chose.

911
00:51:02,469 --> 00:51:04,510
I didn't make the right choices.
That's true.

912
00:51:06,667 --> 00:51:09,367
I... I didn't have your intelligence.

913
00:51:10,333 --> 00:51:12,265
True, I'm a Nobel Prize winner.

914
00:51:19,526 --> 00:51:20,617
Go ahead.

915
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:30,804
Excuse me...

916
00:51:31,917 --> 00:51:34,046
What you said at the beginning, Nawelle.

917
00:51:35,057 --> 00:51:37,093
You said, you're scared
and everything.

918
00:51:37,917 --> 00:51:39,250
I wanted to say...

919
00:51:42,875 --> 00:51:44,265
You're wrong.

920
00:51:45,222 --> 00:51:47,320
We don't see the victims.

921
00:51:48,125 --> 00:51:49,359
They don't exist.

922
00:51:50,567 --> 00:51:52,019
We don't come for them.

923
00:51:52,098 --> 00:51:54,195
For the checkout,
or the credit card.

924
00:51:54,523 --> 00:51:56,069
Not for the victims.

925
00:51:56,167 --> 00:51:57,570
We've nothing against you.

926
00:51:57,636 --> 00:52:01,242
We've so much stress, adrenaline
going on... we see nothing.

927
00:52:01,708 --> 00:52:04,851
If he meets you, he won't do anything.
He won't recognise you.

928
00:52:05,292 --> 00:52:08,333
And even if I robbed you
and I recognise you...

929
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:12,257
...I lower my head,
turn and run.

930
00:52:12,699 --> 00:52:15,408
I'm afraid you'll see me
and call the police.

931
00:52:16,215 --> 00:52:18,374
Especially if I hadn't been caught.

932
00:52:19,809 --> 00:52:22,031
We are afraid all the time,
after a robbery.

933
00:52:24,617 --> 00:52:26,367
Honestly, you've nothing to fear.

934
00:52:27,590 --> 00:52:28,590
I swear.

935
00:53:13,651 --> 00:53:15,578
- Damn, I'm in a hurry.
- She is waiting for you.

936
00:53:21,292 --> 00:53:23,031
Sorry I'm late.

937
00:53:24,773 --> 00:53:26,101
It doesn't matter.

938
00:53:38,875 --> 00:53:40,140
I don't know anymore.

939
00:53:41,463 --> 00:53:43,669
- You know no more?
- Why am I doing this?

940
00:53:44,667 --> 00:53:46,994
Did he understand that
we're not getting back together?

941
00:53:47,042 --> 00:53:49,388
That we won't see each other again?
What does he say?

942
00:53:50,429 --> 00:53:52,262
I can't tell you.

943
00:53:53,625 --> 00:53:55,667
But I took your request to him...

944
00:53:55,793 --> 00:53:57,934
...in the precise terms agreed.

945
00:54:00,948 --> 00:54:04,029
I didn't think that bringing it up
would stir me up so much.

946
00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:07,396
It pisses me off.

947
00:54:10,088 --> 00:54:12,379
It pisses me off
that I'm still suffering.

948
00:54:15,515 --> 00:54:17,521
I haven't cut myself in a long time.

949
00:54:18,765 --> 00:54:20,182
That was finished.

950
00:54:20,752 --> 00:54:22,060
It was behind me.

951
00:54:24,817 --> 00:54:27,052
My brother saw
when I started cutting myself.

952
00:54:27,937 --> 00:54:30,904
He said I was crazy,
that it was disgusting.

953
00:54:31,667 --> 00:54:32,833
It's not true.

954
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:34,974
I disinfected, it was clean.

955
00:54:38,086 --> 00:54:39,818
You want to drink something?

956
00:54:40,838 --> 00:54:42,732
Something hot, a coffee.

957
00:55:04,299 --> 00:55:08,221
We can suspend or stop
the process, at any time.

958
00:55:08,401 --> 00:55:09,620
I don't want to.

959
00:55:11,708 --> 00:55:13,471
I'm worried about you.

960
00:55:14,292 --> 00:55:17,081
- Sorry, didn't mean to "toi" you.
- It's fine.

961
00:55:17,496 --> 00:55:18,682
I prefer it.

962
00:55:18,792 --> 00:55:21,823
I must know that when
you're not with me, you're safe.

963
00:55:22,444 --> 00:55:25,314
That you can speak,
that you are not alone...

964
00:55:25,393 --> 00:55:27,104
...in the face of all you stir up.

965
00:55:27,705 --> 00:55:30,784
It is necessary to resolve this
self-mutilation concern, to continue.

966
00:55:31,557 --> 00:55:33,223
But it's not a problem.

967
00:55:33,539 --> 00:55:35,122
In reality, it's nothing.

968
00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:37,901
I know how to stop.
I won't do it again.

969
00:55:37,926 --> 00:55:39,831
That’s not enough for me, Chloé.

970
00:55:47,273 --> 00:55:48,682
Shouldn't.

971
00:55:51,442 --> 00:55:53,018
Thank you for welcoming me.

972
00:55:53,088 --> 00:55:56,284
We'll put you in Flora's old room.

973
00:55:56,534 --> 00:55:59,580
- It doesn't bother you?
- We're happy to have you.

974
00:55:59,947 --> 00:56:01,434
I won't be here all the time.

975
00:56:01,459 --> 00:56:04,186
We'll take turns with the children,
at home.

976
00:56:04,213 --> 00:56:05,203
Yeah.

977
00:56:06,042 --> 00:56:07,042
It's pretty.

978
00:56:07,075 --> 00:56:10,290
We have grandchildren.
It's a children's menu for everyone.

979
00:56:10,377 --> 00:56:12,414
Fried nuggets.
We like it.

980
00:56:12,542 --> 00:56:13,958
- Does that suit you?
- Perfect.

981
00:56:14,125 --> 00:56:17,243
- You wouldn't prefer a small salad?
- No, it's perfect.

982
00:56:17,833 --> 00:56:19,021
So long as you have ketchup.

983
00:56:19,468 --> 00:56:20,898
Well, naturally.

984
00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:28,101
We have a little problem.

985
00:56:29,143 --> 00:56:31,429
Issa won't be with us today.

986
00:56:31,659 --> 00:56:33,062
He doesn't have...

987
00:56:33,699 --> 00:56:35,585
He can't join us, that's it.

988
00:56:36,117 --> 00:56:37,968
- We're sorry.
- Why?

989
00:56:38,099 --> 00:56:41,031
We don't know.
He's in a disciplinary cell.

990
00:56:41,583 --> 00:56:44,000
The question we want
to ask you...

991
00:56:44,175 --> 00:56:46,703
...is do we do the session
without him?

992
00:56:47,002 --> 00:56:49,281
Why is he in such a cell?

993
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,058
Are we stopping him from participating?
Did he do something stupid?

994
00:56:52,083 --> 00:56:55,976
I don't believe that the prison
is obstructive.

995
00:56:56,255 --> 00:56:58,304
We don't know what happened.

996
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,937
I'm sorry,
but I fail to understand.

997
00:57:04,417 --> 00:57:06,117
These meetings are important?

998
00:57:06,142 --> 00:57:09,364
- Of course.
- We committed to being here.

999
00:57:09,418 --> 00:57:10,707
Sure.

1000
00:57:10,839 --> 00:57:15,574
It seems that Issa doesn't have
easy relationships with warders, so...

1001
00:57:15,742 --> 00:57:19,042
All it takes is friction...
or a bad cell-search.

1002
00:57:19,145 --> 00:57:20,386
What do you think?

1003
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:23,917
Don't you want this meeting
to take place...

1004
00:57:24,083 --> 00:57:25,645
...with an incomplete circle?

1005
00:57:27,435 --> 00:57:28,755
I don't mind.

1006
00:57:29,648 --> 00:57:30,957
The same.

1007
00:57:31,667 --> 00:57:32,667
Gregoire?

1008
00:57:32,708 --> 00:57:33,750
Yes, OK.

1009
00:57:34,758 --> 00:57:36,293
I'd like to thank you.

1010
00:57:37,554 --> 00:57:39,887
What you said last time,
it made me...

1011
00:57:42,372 --> 00:57:45,637
It's as if a 50 kilo weight
had fallen off my shoulders.

1012
00:57:46,641 --> 00:57:47,766
At once.

1013
00:57:50,542 --> 00:57:53,934
I've been seeing a psychologist
for 3 years, and in three hours...

1014
00:57:55,057 --> 00:57:56,222
...you unblocked me.

1015
00:57:57,481 --> 00:57:59,207
It feels weird to tell you this.

1016
00:58:00,465 --> 00:58:01,632
It's the truth.

1017
00:58:19,417 --> 00:58:22,221
I should tell you the reason
for my last incarceration.

1018
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:25,081
I've had so many others that...

1019
00:58:25,875 --> 00:58:29,354
I'm classified as an habitual offender.

1020
00:58:30,737 --> 00:58:33,362
I spent my whole life
in the world of narcotics.

1021
00:58:34,356 --> 00:58:36,606
I did everything to pay for my drugs.

1022
00:58:37,292 --> 00:58:40,292
Deal, scam, small traffic.

1023
00:58:40,754 --> 00:58:41,754
Theft.

1024
00:58:42,715 --> 00:58:44,007
Burglary.

1025
00:58:44,706 --> 00:58:46,526
Receiving, robbery.

1026
00:58:46,875 --> 00:58:50,065
I've gone back and forth
between prison and outside for 25 years.

1027
00:58:50,708 --> 00:58:52,000
Prison and the street.

1028
00:58:52,737 --> 00:58:54,237
Or at my godmother's house.

1029
00:58:54,292 --> 00:58:58,167
The other family, like my parents,
dropped me during my second term.

1030
00:58:59,317 --> 00:59:02,635
My last sentence was the longest.
I got 13 years.

1031
00:59:03,338 --> 00:59:06,745
It was a period when I was
passing myself off as a meter-reader.

1032
00:59:09,042 --> 00:59:11,854
I had the full outfit.
I looked the part.

1033
00:59:13,245 --> 00:59:15,448
I went to old people's places,
I scared them.

1034
00:59:16,129 --> 00:59:17,431
I took everything.

1035
00:59:17,872 --> 00:59:19,286
Often, not much.

1036
00:59:21,406 --> 00:59:22,950
Well, on this particular day...

1037
00:59:23,499 --> 00:59:25,168
...the old man wasn't alone.

1038
00:59:26,792 --> 00:59:29,051
There was a guy
that I knew from before.

1039
00:59:30,250 --> 00:59:31,747
A guy I hated.

1040
00:59:33,101 --> 00:59:34,762
I recognized him immediately.

1041
00:59:35,667 --> 00:59:37,090
It went badly.

1042
00:59:38,011 --> 00:59:40,699
I put him out of action.
I completely lost it.

1043
00:59:43,583 --> 00:59:46,458
They took several weeks
to find me.

1044
00:59:47,625 --> 00:59:49,817
I was very relieved to be found.

1045
00:59:50,583 --> 00:59:52,622
I had clearly reached a milestone there.

1046
00:59:53,424 --> 00:59:55,472
I got 13 years
and I had nothing to say.

1047
00:59:55,958 --> 00:59:57,208
It was justice...

1048
00:59:57,262 --> 00:59:59,723
...for all the other stuff
where I hadn't been caught.

1049
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:02,918
I don't know how I did it
so as not to be caught.

1050
01:00:03,333 --> 01:00:05,458
I was furious with myself.

1051
01:00:09,375 --> 01:00:11,500
I was immediately hooked on drugs.

1052
01:00:12,059 --> 01:00:13,843
Sometimes I say to myself
that it’s stupid.

1053
01:00:14,315 --> 01:00:17,882
I could have liked music or painting
as much as drugs.

1054
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:20,335
I could've been Picasso, really.

1055
01:00:21,463 --> 01:00:23,046
Full of passion.

1056
01:00:23,844 --> 01:00:25,492
Everything was about
getting them.

1057
01:00:25,667 --> 01:00:27,601
Finding drugs
so as to consume them.

1058
01:00:28,245 --> 01:00:30,250
Find people
to help me get them.

1059
01:00:30,867 --> 01:00:32,898
Places to take the drugs in.

1060
01:00:33,838 --> 01:00:35,617
Finding drugs in prison.

1061
01:00:36,023 --> 01:00:37,898
Finding drugs when I got out.

1062
01:00:38,263 --> 01:00:39,343
No life.

1063
01:00:41,028 --> 01:00:42,148
No future.

1064
01:00:45,125 --> 01:00:46,250
Actually...

1065
01:00:47,117 --> 01:00:49,343
I thought about committing suicide
for some time.

1066
01:00:49,958 --> 01:00:52,921
I'd prepared myself,
I'd got some medication.

1067
01:00:53,122 --> 01:00:54,125
I was ready.

1068
01:00:56,380 --> 01:00:59,755
And on the exact day that
I'd decided, that very day...

1069
01:01:02,445 --> 01:01:04,390
...someone asks for me
in the visitors room.

1070
01:01:04,762 --> 01:01:06,453
He's my godmother's son.

1071
01:01:06,917 --> 01:01:09,617
I don't like him very much,
but I adored her.

1072
01:01:10,926 --> 01:01:14,796
He tells me that my godmother
died a few weeks earlier.

1073
01:01:17,234 --> 01:01:19,164
That she left me
a small inheritance.

1074
01:01:20,145 --> 01:01:21,437
6,000 euros.

1075
01:01:22,750 --> 01:01:24,625
I don't really know
what it did to me.

1076
01:01:27,292 --> 01:01:28,476
But I'm here, so...

1077
01:01:38,255 --> 01:01:39,523
Who's next?

1078
01:01:40,333 --> 01:01:41,333
Sabine?

1079
01:01:42,996 --> 01:01:44,080
Nasim?

1080
01:01:44,976 --> 01:01:47,406
These are physical problems...
that can be treated.

1081
01:01:47,898 --> 01:01:49,606
And it's getting better, in fact.

1082
01:01:50,335 --> 01:01:52,789
But I'm very afraid
to leave my house.

1083
01:01:54,125 --> 01:01:56,583
I'm afraid of the street,
of the footpaths.

1084
01:01:57,347 --> 01:02:00,500
I have huge stupid anxieties
that it can start again.

1085
01:02:02,083 --> 01:02:05,117
I haven't changed...
It's still easy to attack me.

1086
01:02:05,989 --> 01:02:08,448
Even more so, as I'm older.

1087
01:02:09,457 --> 01:02:11,582
At first I tried to get out.

1088
01:02:11,875 --> 01:02:13,671
No bag, hands in pockets.

1089
01:02:14,125 --> 01:02:16,250
But it was worse.
I said to myself...

1090
01:02:16,528 --> 01:02:18,320
If they want my money...

1091
01:02:18,542 --> 01:02:20,718
...they'll come and get it
out of my pockets.

1092
01:02:21,241 --> 01:02:22,905
They'll have to shake me.

1093
01:02:23,083 --> 01:02:24,625
Take off my coat.

1094
01:02:25,979 --> 01:02:28,890
So, basically, for seven years,
I've stayed at home.

1095
01:02:30,304 --> 01:02:32,100
At home, things aren't going well.

1096
01:02:32,125 --> 01:02:34,203
My apartment faces the street.

1097
01:02:34,512 --> 01:02:36,780
I have a lot of trouble
with the street noises.

1098
01:02:37,340 --> 01:02:39,468
Scooters, people yelling.

1099
01:02:41,526 --> 01:02:44,549
I stay on the courtyard side,
in my room.

1100
01:02:47,457 --> 01:02:48,987
Well, that’s how it is.

1101
01:02:50,575 --> 01:02:52,450
And it's my fault too.

1102
01:02:52,765 --> 01:02:57,049
I shouldn't have gone out at that time.
I never went out at that time.

1103
01:02:58,690 --> 01:03:02,330
I hung out at home,
instead of going out early like usual.

1104
01:03:03,125 --> 01:03:05,583
I should've dropped the bag
right away.

1105
01:03:05,648 --> 01:03:07,728
I don't know why
I didn't let go.

1106
01:03:08,473 --> 01:03:09,869
As what was in it was...

1107
01:03:10,413 --> 01:03:12,538
And when I hear your stories...

1108
01:03:12,667 --> 01:03:16,158
I clearly see that I'm not
as badly off as you.

1109
01:03:16,458 --> 01:03:18,917
I should be fine...
It wasn't serious.

1110
01:03:19,083 --> 01:03:22,375
People tell me...
“A bag-snatch is no big deal.”

1111
01:03:22,542 --> 01:03:24,853
And I know it!
It's true.

1112
01:03:25,556 --> 01:03:26,830
I can't get over it.

1113
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:28,126
Yes, it’s serious.

1114
01:03:28,814 --> 01:03:31,001
Sorry, you weren't finished, Sabine.

1115
01:03:31,458 --> 01:03:33,080
But it's very serious.

1116
01:03:33,708 --> 01:03:34,558
I don't know.

1117
01:03:34,583 --> 01:03:35,583
Yes it is.

1118
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:38,830
He dragged you, hit you.
You've been in hospital.

1119
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:40,758
This son of a bitch
broke your bones.

1120
01:03:41,807 --> 01:03:42,611
Yes.

1121
01:03:43,298 --> 01:03:45,525
I'd kill anyone who did that
to my mother.

1122
01:03:52,288 --> 01:03:53,517
Are you okay, Sabine?

1123
01:03:53,992 --> 01:03:56,173
- Yes. - I scared you?
- No no.

1124
01:03:56,293 --> 01:03:57,954
- Serve yourself.
- Want something?

1125
01:03:58,189 --> 01:04:00,298
There's cakes,
with lemon and hazelnut.

1126
01:04:00,549 --> 01:04:01,720
Did you make them?

1127
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,392
Yes, with my son.
We like making cakes.

1128
01:04:05,542 --> 01:04:07,001
- How old is he?
- 11.

1129
01:04:07,244 --> 01:04:10,041
- You cook?
- Not anymore, I live alone.

1130
01:04:10,417 --> 01:04:12,205
I don't cook for myself.

1131
01:04:13,660 --> 01:04:15,455
Like with every time
I do a job...

1132
01:04:15,687 --> 01:04:18,020
...I'm clean-shaven.

1133
01:04:19,125 --> 01:04:22,517
I buy the gloves, the hoods,
50 km from home.

1134
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:24,190
For everyone.

1135
01:04:24,729 --> 01:04:26,312
I choose all the clothes.

1136
01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:28,048
Very simple stuff.

1137
01:04:28,542 --> 01:04:30,634
All in black,
no recognisable stuff.

1138
01:04:32,356 --> 01:04:33,814
I find the weapons.

1139
01:04:36,175 --> 01:04:38,377
That evening, four of us go
to this rich guy's place.

1140
01:04:39,833 --> 01:04:43,167
We were tipped off.
They have several debit cards.

1141
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:44,556
At least six in all.

1142
01:04:44,932 --> 01:04:46,473
We arrive around 11pm

1143
01:04:46,750 --> 01:04:49,000
We wait in the garden,
near the pool.

1144
01:04:49,167 --> 01:04:52,095
We see the husband and wife
going in.

1145
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:53,793
Not the children.

1146
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,885
I was told, no dog,
but I'm wary.

1147
01:04:57,484 --> 01:04:58,627
I don't like dogs.

1148
01:04:59,372 --> 01:05:00,497
I watch.

1149
01:05:01,496 --> 01:05:03,135
The lights go out.

1150
01:05:03,612 --> 01:05:05,221
We wait two more hours.

1151
01:05:05,883 --> 01:05:08,385
Around 3.30am we go in
through a French window.

1152
01:05:08,625 --> 01:05:10,510
We don't need
to break down the door...

1153
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,948
...it’s open, it’s easy.

1154
01:05:13,984 --> 01:05:15,567
We go in slowly.

1155
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,971
But then,
there's a loud weird noise.

1156
01:05:18,791 --> 01:05:20,346
At first, I don't know
what it is.

1157
01:05:21,785 --> 01:05:25,315
It's a guitar on a chair.
My accomplice hit it.

1158
01:05:28,542 --> 01:05:30,260
It makes us feel bad, right away.

1159
01:05:31,526 --> 01:05:32,745
We don't move.

1160
01:05:33,624 --> 01:05:35,010
We are like statues.

1161
01:05:37,862 --> 01:05:39,070
But nothing happens.

1162
01:05:39,846 --> 01:05:41,382
A family with two children.

1163
01:05:41,660 --> 01:05:42,863
We are four.

1164
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,535
There are four of them,
supposedly.

1165
01:05:44,833 --> 01:05:47,792
But once again, I'm wary...
You never know.

1166
01:05:47,958 --> 01:05:50,973
It's possible there are more of them,
if they have guests or something.

1167
01:05:51,393 --> 01:05:52,683
We wake everyone up.

1168
01:05:53,090 --> 01:05:55,035
They are tied up
in the dining room.

1169
01:05:55,562 --> 01:05:58,519
We find two of the husband's cards,
nothing in the woman's bag.

1170
01:06:00,356 --> 01:06:02,315
We ask where
the other cards are.

1171
01:06:02,708 --> 01:06:05,457
The woman says...
“There are no other cards.”

1172
01:06:06,667 --> 01:06:08,715
I say...
“How do you shop?”

1173
01:06:09,541 --> 01:06:12,190
“My husband gives me some cash.”

1174
01:06:12,708 --> 01:06:14,816
Obviously, she's resisting.

1175
01:06:16,098 --> 01:06:17,535
There is always someone
who resists.

1176
01:06:18,427 --> 01:06:19,636
Often women.

1177
01:06:21,458 --> 01:06:23,144
The husband knows
we came for money.

1178
01:06:23,368 --> 01:06:24,708
It goes quickly.

1179
01:06:25,083 --> 01:06:27,750
We search the woman's bags.
She has a lot of them.

1180
01:06:27,917 --> 01:06:31,199
In the bedroom drawers,
we find some cards.

1181
01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:34,746
She won't give us the codes.

1182
01:06:35,792 --> 01:06:39,590
As a result, the husband also resists.
He doesn't want to be seen as weak.

1183
01:06:40,885 --> 01:06:42,730
We're starting to lose our patience.

1184
01:06:43,292 --> 01:06:45,082
We put pressure on the husband.

1185
01:06:45,723 --> 01:06:46,910
We push him around.

1186
01:06:47,567 --> 01:06:49,035
We scare them with guns.

1187
01:06:51,167 --> 01:06:52,605
They give us the codes.

1188
01:06:53,417 --> 01:06:55,777
Then we leave, we separate.

1189
01:06:56,148 --> 01:07:00,523
I put the pressure on others,
we are discreet, we buy nothing.

1190
01:07:00,713 --> 01:07:01,963
We don't gamble.

1191
01:07:02,566 --> 01:07:04,777
If anyone steps out of line,
I smash him.

1192
01:07:06,346 --> 01:07:08,039
There was one,
who didn't listen to me.

1193
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:13,208
He got the hots for a motorcycle,
and there you go.

1194
01:07:14,305 --> 01:07:15,496
He got caught.

1195
01:07:16,206 --> 01:07:17,238
He fingered us.

1196
01:07:18,785 --> 01:07:20,128
There was nothing we could do.

1197
01:07:34,125 --> 01:07:35,738
It's brave to say that.

1198
01:07:37,526 --> 01:07:38,730
I thank you.

1199
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:41,340
I'm sorry for what happened
to you.

1200
01:07:43,075 --> 01:07:44,519
I apologise.

1201
01:07:44,583 --> 01:07:46,668
You don't have to apologise,
it's not your style.

1202
01:07:48,596 --> 01:07:50,554
I'll never forgive them.

1203
01:08:07,414 --> 01:08:09,723
Good morning.
Are we good?

1204
01:08:21,042 --> 01:08:23,269
What if he says that you lied?

1205
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:26,635
About what?

1206
01:08:26,816 --> 01:08:28,150
I don't know.

1207
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:30,133
How will you react?

1208
01:08:30,488 --> 01:08:32,535
At first, I didn't lie
to the police.

1209
01:08:33,583 --> 01:08:36,500
But after, yes,
I lied, of course.

1210
01:08:37,242 --> 01:08:38,332
I had to.

1211
01:08:38,721 --> 01:08:41,971
They ask irrelevant questions
about unimportant things.

1212
01:08:42,958 --> 01:08:46,167
What day, what time?
How long, how many times?

1213
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:48,394
How many fingers?
How many centimetres?

1214
01:08:49,675 --> 01:08:51,426
The most important thing,
I didn't mention.

1215
01:08:51,649 --> 01:08:52,996
They weren't interested.

1216
01:08:55,375 --> 01:08:57,707
I'm asked how many fingers...

1217
01:08:58,003 --> 01:08:59,652
...but not the outcome.
My fingers hurt.

1218
01:09:00,958 --> 01:09:03,825
I didn't say the worst,
Those were the nights he didn't come.

1219
01:09:04,374 --> 01:09:07,824
I was falling asleep in class.
I was scared to death, for nothing.

1220
01:09:12,327 --> 01:09:13,744
I remember everything.

1221
01:09:14,012 --> 01:09:15,153
I don't have amnesia.

1222
01:09:15,542 --> 01:09:18,512
I haven't repressed or buried anything,
I don't know how they say it.

1223
01:09:19,932 --> 01:09:21,390
Yes, I know how to lie.

1224
01:09:21,918 --> 01:09:23,355
I'm good at lying.

1225
01:09:23,629 --> 01:09:25,262
He taught me.

1226
01:09:28,042 --> 01:09:30,458
What's he like physically?
Has he put on weight?

1227
01:09:31,125 --> 01:09:32,739
I couldn't tell you.

1228
01:09:33,917 --> 01:09:36,848
Shall I ask his permission
to send you a photo of him?

1229
01:09:38,059 --> 01:09:39,489
My brother was handsome.

1230
01:09:40,325 --> 01:09:43,617
My mother said... "You're lucky,
he takes good care of you...

1231
01:09:43,792 --> 01:09:45,750
“My brothers didn’t care about me.”

1232
01:09:46,312 --> 01:09:48,598
I lost my brother
when I filed a complaint.

1233
01:09:50,312 --> 01:09:51,731
I don't have any more brothers.

1234
01:09:54,906 --> 01:09:57,817
And it pains me.
Because I loved my brother.

1235
01:09:59,942 --> 01:10:01,484
He was my big brother.

1236
01:10:02,945 --> 01:10:04,028
Dad, are you okay?

1237
01:10:04,468 --> 01:10:05,843
Yeah, it's okay.

1238
01:10:06,112 --> 01:10:09,293
What's with Nour's cell phone?
Is that his number anymore?

1239
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:13,208
Can you give it to me?

1240
01:10:14,716 --> 01:10:16,739
No, give it to me now.
Go and get it.

1241
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:19,854
It doesn't matter, I'll wait.

1242
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:24,606
Warder...
Do you have a pen, please?

1243
01:10:30,885 --> 01:10:31,941
You have it?

1244
01:10:34,083 --> 01:10:35,222
14 or 94?

1245
01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:36,917
Why couldn't you come?

1246
01:10:43,215 --> 01:10:45,340
Well, I had to see someone.

1247
01:10:45,625 --> 01:10:48,667
An inmate, about ciggies.
He screwed me.

1248
01:10:49,132 --> 01:10:51,171
We had a fight.
I was late.

1249
01:10:51,625 --> 01:10:54,207
The supervisors didn't want to know,
they blocked me.

1250
01:10:54,624 --> 01:10:55,421
Why?

1251
01:10:55,446 --> 01:10:56,789
They're mad at me.

1252
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:00,218
I don't know, I didn't do anything,
they block me.

1253
01:11:00,410 --> 01:11:02,000
It's not the first time.

1254
01:11:09,583 --> 01:11:12,945
You said you had to
see another inmate.

1255
01:11:13,775 --> 01:11:17,225
But you were supposed to be
at our meetings.

1256
01:11:17,417 --> 01:11:18,257
No?

1257
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:21,902
You were committed to us
with the facilitators...

1258
01:11:21,926 --> 01:11:23,542
...to come to the five meetings.

1259
01:11:23,699 --> 01:11:26,447
- You signed up.
- Yeah, and I was disgusted.

1260
01:11:26,726 --> 01:11:29,726
I said it wasn't my fault.
That changes nothing.

1261
01:11:29,815 --> 01:11:32,792
- They blocked me.
- How is it not your fault?

1262
01:11:33,651 --> 01:11:34,987
You're trying to fool us.

1263
01:11:35,096 --> 01:11:36,994
It's you who's doing the screwing.

1264
01:11:37,362 --> 01:11:40,208
You did something
that made you late. Full stop.

1265
01:11:40,833 --> 01:11:42,583
We waited for you, like idiots.

1266
01:11:42,687 --> 01:11:44,518
We were on time, like idiots.

1267
01:11:44,792 --> 01:11:47,917
Sabine told her story,
Thomas and Nassim too.

1268
01:11:48,075 --> 01:11:51,700
In front, was an empty chair
saying “I don’t give a damn.”

1269
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,017
It's simple!

1270
01:11:53,050 --> 01:11:54,883
I don't think, you understand.

1271
01:11:55,042 --> 01:11:56,417
No no no...

1272
01:11:56,504 --> 01:11:58,010
I understood very well.

1273
01:11:59,291 --> 01:12:00,377
It's not your fault.

1274
01:12:01,049 --> 01:12:04,342
It's Job Centre, the supervisors.
You never did anything.

1275
01:12:04,917 --> 01:12:06,875
You do things without consequence.

1276
01:12:07,625 --> 01:12:10,509
You think you have better things to do
than being with us here?

1277
01:12:11,192 --> 01:12:12,517
But that's possible.

1278
01:12:12,921 --> 01:12:14,576
I'm not judging you,
honestly, I swear.

1279
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,955
It's your life...
Do what you want.

1280
01:12:17,856 --> 01:12:19,845
But take responsibility, at least.

1281
01:12:20,208 --> 01:12:22,500
Just say it like that.
Take responsibility!

1282
01:12:23,132 --> 01:12:24,888
We're not making
stupid excuses.

1283
01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:27,178
I also wonder
what I'm doing here.

1284
01:12:27,326 --> 01:12:30,561
I could be with my daughter,
with a friend, drinking a beer.

1285
01:12:31,125 --> 01:12:34,208
Why am I coming to spend 3 hours
with characters...

1286
01:12:34,992 --> 01:12:37,700
...who ruin lives
and take no responsibility?

1287
01:12:37,875 --> 01:12:39,944
You lie! You're a liar!

1288
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:41,487
At the trial, the same.

1289
01:12:41,639 --> 01:12:43,758
"The guns were not loaded.
It was a clean shot."

1290
01:12:43,783 --> 01:12:45,309
"I haven’t decided anything.”

1291
01:12:45,375 --> 01:12:47,475
There was one who said
that he wasn't there.

1292
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:49,975
His DNA was found at my house.

1293
01:12:50,481 --> 01:12:52,983
Not one looked at me during the trial,
not one!

1294
01:12:53,125 --> 01:12:55,170
Not one gave a hint
of regard for my daughter!

1295
01:12:55,957 --> 01:12:57,787
No one said sorry to her.

1296
01:12:58,065 --> 01:12:59,685
Fucking shits!

1297
01:13:20,167 --> 01:13:21,733
I wanted to listen to you.

1298
01:13:24,809 --> 01:13:25,801
I apologise.

1299
01:13:26,741 --> 01:13:28,553
There's no problem, it's...

1300
01:13:32,591 --> 01:13:34,225
Want to take a break?

1301
01:13:34,979 --> 01:13:36,201
No, it's okay.

1302
01:13:38,848 --> 01:13:39,890
Issa?

1303
01:13:43,580 --> 01:13:45,545
I wanted to ask a question.

1304
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:53,708
I wanted to ask a question
regarding your stories and everything.

1305
01:13:54,667 --> 01:13:56,447
Why don't you do burglaries?

1306
01:13:57,377 --> 01:14:01,197
Steal materials from warehouses.
It'd be easier, right?

1307
01:14:01,833 --> 01:14:04,720
Handling people, families,
is not easy.

1308
01:14:05,187 --> 01:14:07,572
Wouldn't you prefer
that there's no one there?

1309
01:14:13,833 --> 01:14:18,205
It's not that easy to steal
from stores or warehouses.

1310
01:14:19,042 --> 01:14:21,135
There are alarms, cameras.

1311
01:14:21,344 --> 01:14:23,302
They're better guarded than houses.

1312
01:14:23,445 --> 01:14:24,862
Well, not all, but...

1313
01:14:28,542 --> 01:14:31,875
If we commit a burglary,
we don't want anyone there.

1314
01:14:32,042 --> 01:14:34,375
For a home-jacking,
we want people.

1315
01:14:35,703 --> 01:14:37,049
You want people?

1316
01:14:38,041 --> 01:14:41,624
You want to wake people
and tie them up?

1317
01:14:41,917 --> 01:14:43,542
- Smash up their house?
- No.

1318
01:14:43,708 --> 01:14:45,333
But we need the codes.

1319
01:14:47,708 --> 01:14:50,174
- No choice.
- But you take guns.

1320
01:14:50,539 --> 01:14:52,191
Guns are dangerous.

1321
01:14:52,833 --> 01:14:54,605
You can kill with a gun.

1322
01:14:54,820 --> 01:14:56,597
Otherwise, people give nothing.

1323
01:14:57,867 --> 01:15:01,492
We're not going to say...“The code,
or I’ll push you to the ground.”

1324
01:15:01,667 --> 01:15:03,089
- We have to.
- You have to?

1325
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:04,800
It's not just the money.

1326
01:15:05,152 --> 01:15:08,792
You need money, OK.
Why take it out on others?

1327
01:15:09,125 --> 01:15:10,750
Maybe you need this.

1328
01:15:10,917 --> 01:15:13,535
No it's not that.
Give me the stick.

1329
01:15:13,713 --> 01:15:16,011
Can we stop with the stick?

1330
01:15:16,624 --> 01:15:18,730
If others agree.

1331
01:15:19,059 --> 01:15:20,893
I think we figured it out.

1332
01:15:21,090 --> 01:15:23,222
If we cut each other off,
we take it back.

1333
01:15:23,247 --> 01:15:24,669
Everyone is in agreement?

1334
01:15:26,167 --> 01:15:27,167
Hmm?

1335
01:15:29,542 --> 01:15:30,542
Shall I go on?

1336
01:15:31,917 --> 01:15:33,394
When we do these robberies...

1337
01:15:33,909 --> 01:15:37,285
Okay, we're hooded, we're armed,
but we're afraid.

1338
01:15:38,307 --> 01:15:40,347
We don't know how it will go.

1339
01:15:40,667 --> 01:15:45,167
Just when we're about to enter the house
through a door or window...

1340
01:15:46,208 --> 01:15:47,636
The fear we have is...

1341
01:15:48,792 --> 01:15:51,667
...it's even stronger
than the the victims fear, I believe.

1342
01:15:52,292 --> 01:15:55,566
We don't know, maybe they're waiting
for us with a gun.

1343
01:15:55,958 --> 01:15:57,125
Once inside...

1344
01:15:57,359 --> 01:15:58,776
I'm less afraid.

1345
01:15:59,348 --> 01:16:02,027
A bit calmer...
but still stressed.

1346
01:16:02,417 --> 01:16:04,019
There you go, we have hoods...

1347
01:16:04,083 --> 01:16:05,855
We slap faces to impress.

1348
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:08,500
So that the victims
remain quiet.

1349
01:16:09,745 --> 01:16:10,894
They aren't hard.

1350
01:16:11,042 --> 01:16:13,691
Slaps, not blows.
To say: “Don’t move.”

1351
01:16:13,833 --> 01:16:15,750
- Slaps are blows.
- Yes.

1352
01:16:15,862 --> 01:16:16,886
No.

1353
01:16:17,355 --> 01:16:20,870
Blows are with weapons,
feet, fists.

1354
01:16:21,208 --> 01:16:22,417
It's like...

1355
01:16:23,125 --> 01:16:25,714
My mother slapped.
My father beat.

1356
01:16:25,739 --> 01:16:26,785
That's it.

1357
01:16:26,933 --> 01:16:30,277
With me, my father slapped.
My uncle beat.

1358
01:16:30,573 --> 01:16:32,058
Like with you, Sabine.

1359
01:16:32,333 --> 01:16:34,519
The guy hit you.
It's assault.

1360
01:16:35,042 --> 01:16:36,785
Sorry, I'm coming back
to something.

1361
01:16:37,292 --> 01:16:39,042
When you say "push around"...

1362
01:16:39,625 --> 01:16:41,000
"Make an impression."

1363
01:16:41,667 --> 01:16:44,208
I hadn't noticed,
but what does that mean?

1364
01:16:44,674 --> 01:16:47,080
- The husband was slapped.
- Why “was slapped”?

1365
01:16:47,667 --> 01:16:48,875
Why not “I slapped”?

1366
01:16:49,413 --> 01:16:50,580
Are you a gang?

1367
01:16:51,292 --> 01:16:54,625
Are there several of you inside?
Who slapped?

1368
01:16:55,984 --> 01:16:56,829
Me.

1369
01:16:56,854 --> 01:16:58,104
And then?

1370
01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:00,721
I was slapping the husband
while looking at his wife.

1371
01:17:01,035 --> 01:17:02,815
I glared at her.

1372
01:17:03,333 --> 01:17:05,182
She didn't want
to give her codes.

1373
01:17:05,710 --> 01:17:07,168
Even if she was scared.

1374
01:17:07,414 --> 01:17:09,159
Like she didn't care
about her family.

1375
01:17:09,625 --> 01:17:12,135
She put them in danger,
she was going too far.

1376
01:17:12,792 --> 01:17:15,995
I looked into her eyes
and pointed my gun at her son.

1377
01:17:17,125 --> 01:17:18,542
That unlocked everything.

1378
01:17:18,917 --> 01:17:20,620
She gave her codes right away.

1379
01:17:21,211 --> 01:17:22,753
One of the guys left.

1380
01:17:23,215 --> 01:17:25,284
He went to withdraw money
from the ATM.

1381
01:17:26,167 --> 01:17:28,065
He called us
to tell us it was good.

1382
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:30,238
And we left.

1383
01:17:34,143 --> 01:17:35,510
I was in control.

1384
01:17:36,424 --> 01:17:37,776
Was your gun loaded?

1385
01:17:38,083 --> 01:17:39,083
Yeah.

1386
01:17:39,167 --> 01:17:40,401
But it was the only one.

1387
01:17:40,553 --> 01:17:41,924
It was just me with one.

1388
01:17:42,458 --> 01:17:45,143
The others are too jumpy.
They're nuts.

1389
01:17:46,042 --> 01:17:47,917
I don't know why, I'm...

1390
01:17:48,629 --> 01:17:49,932
I am like this.

1391
01:17:50,135 --> 01:17:51,593
I never shout.

1392
01:17:53,214 --> 01:17:54,573
I never cry.

1393
01:17:55,497 --> 01:17:57,206
At the trial, I didn't cry.

1394
01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:59,315
When my mother died,
I didn't cry.

1395
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:01,659
I'd never have shot it.

1396
01:18:02,417 --> 01:18:04,518
I've never killed anyone,
I never will.

1397
01:18:05,515 --> 01:18:07,223
I'll never take it out
on a child.

1398
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:09,588
You pointed a loaded gun
at a child's head.

1399
01:18:10,667 --> 01:18:13,456
It's not a need for money...
This is something else.

1400
01:18:14,182 --> 01:18:16,487
If you don't question yourself,
you won't change.

1401
01:18:17,417 --> 01:18:19,042
Don't you think we're normal?

1402
01:18:19,317 --> 01:18:21,026
You're the one
who's not normal.

1403
01:18:21,833 --> 01:18:23,750
It's not normal to never cry.

1404
01:18:24,542 --> 01:18:25,833
Never shout.

1405
01:18:26,417 --> 01:18:28,000
Not to cry for your mother.

1406
01:18:36,333 --> 01:18:39,000
That's a nice shirt colour.

1407
01:18:39,542 --> 01:18:40,526
Thanks.

1408
01:18:40,648 --> 01:18:42,606
I like wine-coloured.

1409
01:18:43,441 --> 01:18:44,608
Yeah, purple.

1410
01:18:46,542 --> 01:18:47,862
Burgundy, rather.

1411
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:49,687
This is dark pink.

1412
01:18:50,958 --> 01:18:52,875
Yes, pink, almost.

1413
01:18:53,500 --> 01:18:55,963
Colours are weird.

1414
01:18:56,167 --> 01:18:58,792
Honestly, it's great.
Thank you, Cyril.

1415
01:18:59,031 --> 01:19:03,081
And Sabine. Who made the madeleines?
Next time I'll make them...

1416
01:19:03,250 --> 01:19:05,042
- and she'll make a quiche.
- OK.

1417
01:19:05,208 --> 01:19:07,362
- Very good.
- Thanks.

1418
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,393
My husband drops me off,
normally.

1419
01:19:09,679 --> 01:19:11,167
Next week, he can't.

1420
01:19:11,258 --> 01:19:13,341
We'll find a driver.

1421
01:19:13,393 --> 01:19:15,838
There are buses
that serve the centre.

1422
01:19:16,425 --> 01:19:19,159
Well, yes, I'll take the bus.
That's simple.

1423
01:19:19,484 --> 01:19:21,026
Don't worry, it's cool.

1424
01:19:21,114 --> 01:19:22,114
It depends.

1425
01:19:22,292 --> 01:19:23,750
It's not always cool.

1426
01:19:23,917 --> 01:19:26,104
My friends like to prowl in them.

1427
01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:30,135
But it's still okay.

1428
01:19:31,026 --> 01:19:32,987
I'll be your driver.
I'll come pick you up.

1429
01:19:33,216 --> 01:19:35,651
He wasn't found.
I didn't get any compensation.

1430
01:19:36,625 --> 01:19:38,792
I wouldn't have wanted his money.

1431
01:19:39,065 --> 01:19:40,315
I would have refused.

1432
01:19:41,020 --> 01:19:42,549
Money doesn't fix anything.

1433
01:19:43,208 --> 01:19:45,124
A trial, on the other hand,
I would've liked.

1434
01:19:45,377 --> 01:19:46,901
Let him be sentenced.

1435
01:19:47,325 --> 01:19:49,003
Knowing that he's suffering.

1436
01:19:49,239 --> 01:19:51,135
That he's locked away
from his family.

1437
01:19:51,323 --> 01:19:54,406
I thought it would do me good.
But I regretted going to the trial.

1438
01:19:54,674 --> 01:19:56,924
I shouldn't have been there,
it would have been the same.

1439
01:19:57,192 --> 01:20:00,067
I felt like a statue,
a piece of furniture.

1440
01:20:00,917 --> 01:20:03,417
As they say, in the cinema,
for passers-by?

1441
01:20:03,836 --> 01:20:04,940
An extra.

1442
01:20:05,292 --> 01:20:08,081
An extra... that's it.

1443
01:20:08,315 --> 01:20:10,057
Money doesn't fix anything?

1444
01:20:10,206 --> 01:20:12,229
I worked my guts out
to compensate my victim.

1445
01:20:12,555 --> 01:20:13,776
We were bled.

1446
01:20:13,872 --> 01:20:15,956
My family, my sisters, my wife.

1447
01:20:16,208 --> 01:20:17,491
It damaged my heart.

1448
01:20:17,971 --> 01:20:20,729
My victims were fine.
They didn't need it.

1449
01:20:21,250 --> 01:20:23,042
There's one who gave the blows.

1450
01:20:23,208 --> 01:20:25,674
He took a bike chain-lock.
It's a weapon.

1451
01:20:26,370 --> 01:20:29,424
- So...
- So what? He defended himself.

1452
01:20:29,682 --> 01:20:33,392
Yeah. But if he hadn't done it,
we wouldn't have hit him...

1453
01:20:33,458 --> 01:20:34,995
His eye would be fine.

1454
01:20:36,458 --> 01:20:38,500
For me, he's a victim, yes.

1455
01:20:38,856 --> 01:20:42,799
I blame myself, it went too far.
But it wasn't like you.

1456
01:20:42,835 --> 01:20:44,651
No, but Issa,
do you hear me?

1457
01:20:45,593 --> 01:20:48,088
Someone lost an eye
because of you.

1458
01:20:48,604 --> 01:20:50,625
You know what it's like,
to live with one eye?

1459
01:20:51,458 --> 01:20:54,000
Do you understand
the sufferings we tell about...

1460
01:20:54,167 --> 01:20:55,667
...are those of your victims?

1461
01:20:55,825 --> 01:20:58,119
It's true,
you say you're sorry, but...

1462
01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:00,487
Don't you understand
what you did?

1463
01:21:00,787 --> 01:21:02,870
Yes. I know, I'm guilty.

1464
01:21:02,992 --> 01:21:05,526
Yes, but...
it's not straightforward.

1465
01:21:05,604 --> 01:21:07,820
Maybe... Issa.

1466
01:21:08,042 --> 01:21:10,221
Maybe you know
you are guilty...

1467
01:21:10,674 --> 01:21:12,791
...but you don't feel responsible.

1468
01:21:13,458 --> 01:21:16,299
It's exactly that.
Thank you, Yvette.

1469
01:21:17,208 --> 01:21:18,432
I don't understand.

1470
01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:19,745
Well, think about it.

1471
01:21:20,458 --> 01:21:21,458
You are smart.

1472
01:21:22,176 --> 01:21:23,176
Really.

1473
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:25,192
You need to think about it.

1474
01:21:36,958 --> 01:21:39,125
No no no. No!

1475
01:21:39,292 --> 01:21:40,320
No, damn it!

1476
01:21:40,750 --> 01:21:42,417
No no!

1477
01:21:42,583 --> 01:21:44,187
Come on! Come on!

1478
01:21:44,417 --> 01:21:45,793
Yes! Yes!

1479
01:21:45,958 --> 01:21:50,059
Yeah! Yeah! Damn, 7 minutes 20!

1480
01:21:50,223 --> 01:21:52,265
7-20, holy shit!

1481
01:21:53,026 --> 01:21:54,598
Holy shit!

1482
01:21:56,882 --> 01:21:58,285
Why are you yelling?

1483
01:21:59,726 --> 01:22:01,700
How can you bring them together?

1484
01:22:01,856 --> 01:22:04,950
- It's not me who's considering it.
- Are you putting her back in there?

1485
01:22:05,117 --> 01:22:07,784
You know how long
it took for her to get out?

1486
01:22:08,612 --> 01:22:10,474
How she was when I met her?

1487
01:22:10,949 --> 01:22:12,783
She tells you everything,
so I can tell you.

1488
01:22:12,958 --> 01:22:15,129
She was 15 years old,
she was doing porn.

1489
01:22:15,433 --> 01:22:17,254
She did everything,
without any pleasure.

1490
01:22:17,449 --> 01:22:20,121
She was crazy,
she was scary.

1491
01:22:20,667 --> 01:22:22,738
I held on, I was in love.

1492
01:22:23,375 --> 01:22:27,113
We started everything from the beginning.
Slowly, like teenagers.

1493
01:22:27,667 --> 01:22:31,458
She got out of it because
she's intelligent, courageous.

1494
01:22:32,335 --> 01:22:33,785
But she's fragile, too.

1495
01:22:34,833 --> 01:22:36,965
I don't know Chloe like you do.

1496
01:22:37,453 --> 01:22:41,075
But if I hear it right,
she wants to see her brother again.

1497
01:22:41,417 --> 01:22:45,012
I'm not here to judge
if she's doing well.

1498
01:22:45,375 --> 01:22:48,292
I'm here to create
the right conditions.

1499
01:22:48,559 --> 01:22:50,893
If I remove myself
from this equation...

1500
01:22:51,208 --> 01:22:54,708
...the need for dialogue will remain,
without a secure framework.

1501
01:22:54,797 --> 01:22:57,528
They'll see each other...
and things will go badly.

1502
01:22:58,625 --> 01:23:01,293
Mehdi, I have confidence
in this process.

1503
01:23:02,458 --> 01:23:04,417
I trust Chloé, above all.

1504
01:23:04,465 --> 01:23:06,340
She's not a child anymore...
She'll manage.

1505
01:23:06,465 --> 01:23:07,911
That's what we're working on.

1506
01:23:07,936 --> 01:23:09,723
Thanks. He'll manage too.

1507
01:23:10,366 --> 01:23:12,449
He'll manipulate her
as he manipulates you.

1508
01:23:12,625 --> 01:23:16,567
He's a crook. He made her believe
that it was what a brother was... Love.

1509
01:23:16,792 --> 01:23:19,625
Like all sexual attackers,
he's nothing but a crook.

1510
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,292
Gotta do the other one!

1511
01:23:35,833 --> 01:23:37,000
Be careful, artichokes.

1512
01:23:38,833 --> 01:23:41,333
My boots are full of water!

1513
01:23:43,458 --> 01:23:45,625
- What a deluge!
- Can it keep up?

1514
01:23:46,125 --> 01:23:47,375
Excuse me, sorry.

1515
01:23:47,542 --> 01:23:48,750
No problem.

1516
01:23:48,917 --> 01:23:49,729
All OK?

1517
01:23:49,858 --> 01:23:51,979
Yes, I started late.
Stupid of me.

1518
01:23:52,583 --> 01:23:53,808
How are you?

1519
01:23:53,833 --> 01:23:55,456
Okay, thanks.

1520
01:23:58,333 --> 01:24:01,002
- Do you know that Mehdi came to see me?
- Yeah.

1521
01:24:01,417 --> 01:24:03,307
- He didn't scare you?
- No.

1522
01:24:03,917 --> 01:24:06,500
- You want to talk about it?
- No.

1523
01:24:06,580 --> 01:24:08,268
He's worried, I understand.

1524
01:24:08,495 --> 01:24:10,026
But that's his problem.

1525
01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:11,575
I'm not worried.

1526
01:24:12,117 --> 01:24:15,242
Sorry for insisting,
but if Mehdi knows...

1527
01:24:15,370 --> 01:24:17,111
...can this change the situation?

1528
01:24:17,167 --> 01:24:19,620
In any case,
your stability in the process?

1529
01:24:20,612 --> 01:24:21,807
I don't think so.

1530
01:24:22,262 --> 01:24:23,635
I don't feel like that.

1531
01:24:23,972 --> 01:24:25,261
You know best...

1532
01:24:25,630 --> 01:24:29,151
...if despite his worry,
there remains support for you.

1533
01:24:29,176 --> 01:24:30,079
Mehdi?

1534
01:24:30,393 --> 01:24:32,183
There's always support.

1535
01:24:32,208 --> 01:24:36,112
If I get kidnapped in the jungle,
no police. Tell Mehdi.

1536
01:24:38,835 --> 01:24:40,415
I've been thinking.

1537
01:24:41,294 --> 01:24:42,586
And me too,

1538
01:24:43,109 --> 01:24:45,260
I have some questions
to ask Benjamin.

1539
01:24:50,083 --> 01:24:51,948
It's only about details.

1540
01:24:52,351 --> 01:24:54,674
I've been waiting for answers
for a long time.

1541
01:24:55,011 --> 01:24:56,127
All right.

1542
01:24:56,254 --> 01:24:58,671
We're going to work
on all these questions.

1543
01:24:58,908 --> 01:25:01,206
Give them to him
before the meeting.

1544
01:25:01,667 --> 01:25:03,542
Why? Is it important for you?

1545
01:25:03,653 --> 01:25:05,903
I want him to be able
to prepare.

1546
01:25:06,226 --> 01:25:08,284
What if he can't answer it?

1547
01:25:08,875 --> 01:25:10,198
How will you react?

1548
01:25:10,301 --> 01:25:11,987
It'll be because
he doesn't want to.

1549
01:25:13,417 --> 01:25:15,104
How would that make you feel?

1550
01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:16,458
Well...

1551
01:25:16,917 --> 01:25:18,737
It wouldn't change much, actually.

1552
01:25:19,676 --> 01:25:21,760
I'd think he didn't
understand anything.

1553
01:25:22,083 --> 01:25:24,346
That he didn't move,
that he can't change.

1554
01:25:25,171 --> 01:25:28,620
I'd tell myself that it was necessary
that I do all this to see him.

1555
01:25:29,500 --> 01:25:32,081
Or maybe I'd wonder
what the hell I'm doing here.

1556
01:25:32,667 --> 01:25:35,346
Once again waiting
for something from this arsehole.

1557
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:40,174
Chloe, anything can happen
during this meeting, if it takes place.

1558
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,690
Except physical
and verbal violence.

1559
01:25:43,292 --> 01:25:45,375
But I don't know
what is violent for you.

1560
01:25:45,534 --> 01:25:50,854
We need to decide what you absolutely
won't want to hear or experience.

1561
01:25:51,667 --> 01:25:55,073
Your limits.
The worst thing he could say to you.

1562
01:25:55,683 --> 01:25:57,557
What wouldn't he have
the right to do.

1563
01:25:59,699 --> 01:26:02,033
Myself, today,
I don't feel very...

1564
01:26:04,958 --> 01:26:06,862
I don't know if I can continue.

1565
01:26:08,742 --> 01:26:11,534
I think it makes me feel good
to see you.

1566
01:26:12,583 --> 01:26:14,307
But I think it's too late.

1567
01:26:16,356 --> 01:26:18,362
I should have done it before.

1568
01:26:24,379 --> 01:26:27,073
I've wasted so much time,
these seven years.

1569
01:26:28,518 --> 01:26:29,729
I've messed up everything.

1570
01:26:32,961 --> 01:26:36,086
I let the link with my children
fray.

1571
01:26:36,292 --> 01:26:37,875
Become very weak.

1572
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,792
I don't see my grandson anymore.

1573
01:26:42,917 --> 01:26:46,534
I didn't even go to see
his little sister when she was born.

1574
01:26:49,023 --> 01:26:50,393
I don't even know her.

1575
01:26:55,292 --> 01:26:57,870
So, my son is disappointed,
well, he...

1576
01:27:00,083 --> 01:27:04,135
He's mad at me, he doesn't understand.
But I'm afraid to go to the station.

1577
01:27:05,625 --> 01:27:07,620
I'm afraid of the train, I...

1578
01:27:07,906 --> 01:27:10,010
I'm even afraid in the car.

1579
01:27:10,542 --> 01:27:12,659
Me who was a driving school teacher.

1580
01:27:15,292 --> 01:27:18,018
I'm not saying that's why
my life is nothing.

1581
01:27:18,534 --> 01:27:20,299
It's just me.

1582
01:27:21,250 --> 01:27:23,292
I invent things, I...

1583
01:27:23,317 --> 01:27:25,651
I am a liar,
I lie to everyone.

1584
01:27:25,893 --> 01:27:28,370
I say I'm fine,
that I'm busy.

1585
01:27:29,250 --> 01:27:31,417
I stay at home, watching TV.

1586
01:27:31,442 --> 01:27:33,651
I talk to myself,
like a crazy person.

1587
01:27:35,208 --> 01:27:37,792
I have an internet connection,
I don't use it.

1588
01:27:39,526 --> 01:27:40,823
I'm wasting time.

1589
01:27:42,445 --> 01:27:44,237
I've wasted all my time.

1590
01:27:48,833 --> 01:27:50,542
I was waiting for retirement.

1591
01:27:51,208 --> 01:27:52,792
I said to myself, I...

1592
01:27:52,958 --> 01:27:54,409
I would do lots of things.

1593
01:27:54,856 --> 01:27:56,049
Trips.

1594
01:27:57,833 --> 01:28:00,034
Interesting things, like you.

1595
01:28:01,804 --> 01:28:03,471
And then, I don't do anything.

1596
01:28:04,358 --> 01:28:05,691
I am useless.

1597
01:28:12,083 --> 01:28:13,401
My life stopped.

1598
01:28:13,983 --> 01:28:15,244
Passed out.

1599
01:28:16,663 --> 01:28:18,104
It's too late now.

1600
01:28:22,163 --> 01:28:23,163
Oh no.

1601
01:28:24,465 --> 01:28:25,507
It's alright.

1602
01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:27,292
It's not too late.

1603
01:28:27,395 --> 01:28:29,520
I'm also excited to come here.

1604
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:32,517
- Why didn't I do it before?
- Exactly.

1605
01:28:32,542 --> 01:28:34,308
- It's not too late.
- No way.

1606
01:28:34,340 --> 01:28:36,353
I talk to myself.
You're not crazy.

1607
01:28:36,542 --> 01:28:39,315
You weren't afraid to come
face to face with 3 arseholes

1608
01:28:39,385 --> 01:28:40,195
I was afraid.

1609
01:28:40,292 --> 01:28:41,963
Even more worthy.

1610
01:28:42,018 --> 01:28:43,208
That's true.

1611
01:28:43,422 --> 01:28:44,647
You're brave.

1612
01:28:44,686 --> 01:28:47,682
It's a matter of catching up...
the connection with children.

1613
01:28:47,833 --> 01:28:49,958
Explain to your son,
he'll understand.

1614
01:28:50,117 --> 01:28:52,575
Yes....
There's still time left.

1615
01:28:52,958 --> 01:28:55,112
10 years, 15 years,
they're just days.

1616
01:28:55,213 --> 01:28:57,083
- It's long.
- Yeah, it's long.

1617
01:28:57,108 --> 01:28:58,733
Even a year is a long time.

1618
01:28:59,625 --> 01:29:01,708
So many hours, so many days.

1619
01:29:01,875 --> 01:29:05,417
And then, a good internet
connection can help.

1620
01:29:10,833 --> 01:29:12,307
Why are you laughing?

1621
01:29:14,867 --> 01:29:17,523
When we're on a job,
we don't think of anyone.

1622
01:29:17,593 --> 01:29:18,806
Not even your parents?

1623
01:29:18,831 --> 01:29:21,893
Oh, no. You know that you're not
going to kill anyone.

1624
01:29:22,135 --> 01:29:24,075
You think of the stuff
you're stealing.

1625
01:29:24,213 --> 01:29:25,788
Besides, my mother was gone.

1626
01:29:25,812 --> 01:29:29,583
And my father...
He was a big son-of-a-bitch.

1627
01:29:29,695 --> 01:29:31,028
Yeah, OK, your dad.

1628
01:29:31,148 --> 01:29:33,062
But you said your mother suffered.

1629
01:29:33,174 --> 01:29:37,595
You haven't thought to make a success
of your life, so as to not spoil hers?

1630
01:29:38,123 --> 01:29:41,030
Tell her to do something like this.
It would do her good.

1631
01:29:41,674 --> 01:29:43,514
Is there something
for domestic violence?

1632
01:29:43,583 --> 01:29:46,917
Of course.
For all types of crimes.

1633
01:29:47,083 --> 01:29:49,229
Child abuse too.

1634
01:29:49,459 --> 01:29:51,717
No, but I wasn't mistreated.

1635
01:29:51,777 --> 01:29:55,235
Belting and spanking
are mistreatment.

1636
01:29:55,333 --> 01:29:57,000
- Yes.
- Yes and no.

1637
01:29:57,142 --> 01:29:58,750
- Actually...
- Yes they are!

1638
01:29:59,354 --> 01:30:01,782
But your mother never
filed a complaint?

1639
01:30:02,458 --> 01:30:04,204
The bastard should pay.

1640
01:30:04,542 --> 01:30:06,806
Would the brother like
to ask for forgiveness?

1641
01:30:07,086 --> 01:30:09,503
But it's more complicated than that.

1642
01:30:10,369 --> 01:30:12,235
He wants her to ask him
for forgiveness...

1643
01:30:12,736 --> 01:30:15,744
...for having filed a complaint,
and not resolving it as a family.

1644
01:30:16,073 --> 01:30:17,915
He wants that they
forgive each other.

1645
01:30:18,356 --> 01:30:19,611
It's important to him.

1646
01:30:20,042 --> 01:30:22,064
And that won't happen with her.

1647
01:30:22,401 --> 01:30:23,915
She won't do it.

1648
01:30:24,038 --> 01:30:26,212
The meeting won't take place.

1649
01:30:26,885 --> 01:30:28,843
Like most encounters.

1650
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,625
Never mind. The dialogue was
open between them, all the same.

1651
01:30:33,682 --> 01:30:36,015
Yes, yes, I know, but...

1652
01:30:38,015 --> 01:30:39,525
...they've come so far.

1653
01:30:40,429 --> 01:30:42,845
It's important to them
to let them meet.

1654
01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:47,189
Not at any cost. We're here
to promote their repair...

1655
01:30:47,427 --> 01:30:49,177
...not to cause more harm.

1656
01:30:50,883 --> 01:30:54,072
We can't screw up.
We have to preserve our reputation.

1657
01:30:54,292 --> 01:30:56,439
If we re-victimise a victim...

1658
01:30:56,825 --> 01:31:00,034
...it could kill
restorative justice in France.

1659
01:31:00,137 --> 01:31:01,887
Wait, what are you doing to me?

1660
01:31:02,117 --> 01:31:05,509
I don't care about restorative justice.
It's not my problem.

1661
01:31:05,619 --> 01:31:11,041
If this meeting can hurt Chloe,
of course it won't take place.

1662
01:31:12,833 --> 01:31:17,580
But I'm sure her healing depends
on this meeting taking place.

1663
01:31:18,413 --> 01:31:19,746
The same with him.

1664
01:31:20,208 --> 01:31:23,167
Look at it...
He was tried and convicted.

1665
01:31:23,333 --> 01:31:27,955
Despite prison and suffering,
he hasn't accepted the bad he did.

1666
01:31:28,237 --> 01:31:29,820
He's going to be a dad, too.

1667
01:31:30,750 --> 01:31:34,814
Only Chloe can make him admit it
and overcome his status as an aggressor.

1668
01:31:35,911 --> 01:31:38,595
OK, prison stinks...
It's no fun, you're locked up.

1669
01:31:38,875 --> 01:31:41,375
But frankly,
you are fed and housed.

1670
01:31:41,683 --> 01:31:43,020
You have activities.

1671
01:31:43,291 --> 01:31:46,017
When I see a homeless person,
I say to myself: "What are you doing?"

1672
01:31:46,198 --> 01:31:47,799
“Go assault someone.”

1673
01:31:48,398 --> 01:31:50,470
You'll be warm, relaxed.

1674
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:51,958
You will have a TV...

1675
01:31:52,125 --> 01:31:54,533
...a psychologist,
social assistance, yoga.

1676
01:31:54,986 --> 01:31:56,244
We don't have that.

1677
01:31:58,081 --> 01:31:59,872
I understand
what you're saying.

1678
01:32:01,371 --> 01:32:02,985
I can't explain...

1679
01:32:03,917 --> 01:32:05,611
It's not what you think.

1680
01:32:06,573 --> 01:32:08,463
We had a lot of fun
during the confinement.

1681
01:32:09,023 --> 01:32:11,900
People were going crazy
after a week.

1682
01:32:12,911 --> 01:32:15,661
One says:
“I got 5 years, it’s nothing.

1683
01:32:15,875 --> 01:32:16,642
"10 years.

1684
01:32:16,708 --> 01:32:17,838
"It's nothing."

1685
01:32:18,364 --> 01:32:19,614
But don't worry.

1686
01:32:20,417 --> 01:32:21,500
We pay.

1687
01:32:22,450 --> 01:32:23,541
We suffer.

1688
01:32:24,125 --> 01:32:25,375
We're locked up.

1689
01:32:25,723 --> 01:32:27,821
We've no right to anything.

1690
01:32:30,497 --> 01:32:31,963
What does it smell like?

1691
01:32:32,755 --> 01:32:33,970
It makes me hungry.

1692
01:32:34,083 --> 01:32:35,463
It's West Indian stuff.

1693
01:32:35,648 --> 01:32:37,642
Acras, samosas.

1694
01:32:37,736 --> 01:32:38,734
But I love it!

1695
01:32:38,909 --> 01:32:40,700
Here, go ahead, let’s taste it.

1696
01:32:40,882 --> 01:32:44,134
My mediator's brother
brought them.

1697
01:32:45,158 --> 01:32:46,377
Samosas.

1698
01:32:49,208 --> 01:32:50,208
Michael.

1699
01:32:51,347 --> 01:32:52,525
That's the acras.

1700
01:32:53,392 --> 01:32:54,970
It’s crazy good!

1701
01:32:55,184 --> 01:32:57,963
Yes it's good.
Even lukewarm, it's good.

1702
01:32:58,750 --> 01:33:00,542
A little acra? Michael?
Yeah!

1703
01:33:00,653 --> 01:33:01,634
Yeah.

1704
01:33:03,792 --> 01:33:05,375
- Not too much.
- Come on!

1705
01:33:05,580 --> 01:33:07,469
Martine prepared a great meal.

1706
01:33:07,543 --> 01:33:09,228
I have some rum-mix.

1707
01:33:09,377 --> 01:33:11,049
Ginger, turmeric.

1708
01:33:11,833 --> 01:33:13,431
Do you want to taste?
Oh, no, no.

1709
01:33:16,284 --> 01:33:17,408
It stings.

1710
01:33:19,875 --> 01:33:20,875
What is it?

1711
01:33:20,900 --> 01:33:21,900
Pineapple.

1712
01:33:22,417 --> 01:33:24,291
Take it easy, anyway.

1713
01:33:27,542 --> 01:33:28,814
It feels good.

1714
01:33:35,866 --> 01:33:37,719
I'll be quite open.

1715
01:33:38,292 --> 01:33:41,322
I've seen you each nine times
these last eight months.

1716
01:33:41,625 --> 01:33:45,625
I noticed that your expectations
are not really consistent.

1717
01:33:46,792 --> 01:33:50,595
Put in direct contact, two people
with different expectations...

1718
01:33:50,708 --> 01:33:52,333
...can put them in danger.

1719
01:33:52,500 --> 01:33:54,833
And my role
is to ensure your safety.

1720
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:56,250
As is...

1721
01:33:56,417 --> 01:33:59,361
...I don't think your safety
is assured.

1722
01:34:01,167 --> 01:34:02,845
Can you tell me any more?

1723
01:34:03,042 --> 01:34:05,213
Oh dear, I sound like you.

1724
01:34:07,291 --> 01:34:11,102
What makes you say that?
What "expectations" do you mean?

1725
01:34:11,401 --> 01:34:14,109
You have very specific expectations.

1726
01:34:14,549 --> 01:34:16,340
That we worked on together.

1727
01:34:16,554 --> 01:34:18,096
Mr. Delarme too.

1728
01:34:18,270 --> 01:34:21,799
This plan of action may not
be able to satisfy them.

1729
01:34:23,070 --> 01:34:24,291
Why not?

1730
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:30,330
Firstly, he said that he wants
to answer your questions...

1731
01:34:30,500 --> 01:34:32,720
...but not to have them
in advance.

1732
01:34:33,706 --> 01:34:35,122
What does that mean?

1733
01:34:35,875 --> 01:34:38,250
He prefers that you
put them to him directly.

1734
01:34:38,417 --> 01:34:40,744
So you see that his responses
are spontaneous.

1735
01:34:41,159 --> 01:34:43,534
- It'd be better for you.
- No.

1736
01:34:44,929 --> 01:34:47,080
He doesn't want me
to give you the rules.

1737
01:34:47,549 --> 01:34:50,588
If I hadn't proposed,
he would have asked.

1738
01:34:50,792 --> 01:34:52,658
He always has to lead.

1739
01:34:53,258 --> 01:34:56,033
Or he wants a way out,
so as not to respond.

1740
01:34:56,500 --> 01:34:58,588
To be able to say...
"I don't remember."

1741
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,877
OK, I don't care, I'll ask him
my questions face to face.

1742
01:35:06,583 --> 01:35:08,049
I think he'll answer me.

1743
01:35:08,906 --> 01:35:10,845
I already know the answers.

1744
01:35:11,458 --> 01:35:13,322
I just want to hear them
from him.

1745
01:35:13,708 --> 01:35:16,072
- And if that's not the case?
- I'll do without.

1746
01:35:16,292 --> 01:35:18,400
I'm ready for that,
we've already talked about it.

1747
01:35:19,391 --> 01:35:20,595
What else?

1748
01:35:21,542 --> 01:35:24,708
We must question ourselves together
on the notion of forgiveness.

1749
01:35:26,708 --> 01:35:27,917
Forgiveness?

1750
01:35:28,254 --> 01:35:29,900
He wants to ask me
for forgiveness?

1751
01:35:30,417 --> 01:35:32,002
How would you feel?

1752
01:35:33,450 --> 01:35:36,075
He can always try.
We'll see.

1753
01:35:36,770 --> 01:35:38,127
But forgive him for what?

1754
01:35:38,583 --> 01:35:41,875
Even if he admits his wrongs
and he knew what he was doing...

1755
01:35:42,283 --> 01:35:44,245
...I don't know
if I want to forgive him.

1756
01:35:45,375 --> 01:35:46,792
Ask yourself the question.

1757
01:35:46,989 --> 01:35:47,916
OK.

1758
01:35:48,268 --> 01:35:51,143
Ask yourself about the notion
of forgiveness in general.

1759
01:35:52,242 --> 01:35:53,784
Granting forgiveness.

1760
01:35:54,324 --> 01:35:55,908
Asking for forgiveness.

1761
01:36:04,932 --> 01:36:07,090
He wants me to ask him
for forgiveness?

1762
01:36:07,963 --> 01:36:09,106
That's it?

1763
01:36:10,417 --> 01:36:12,270
That I ask him for forgiveness?

1764
01:36:13,932 --> 01:36:15,535
What do you think about it?

1765
01:36:15,708 --> 01:36:18,996
You understand?
What do you say when he says that?

1766
01:36:19,708 --> 01:36:22,477
You see my brother for months
and he says that?

1767
01:36:22,540 --> 01:36:23,997
But what do you do?

1768
01:36:24,125 --> 01:36:26,403
You don't work on him.
You work on me!

1769
01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:29,292
For months I've exposed
all that had happened.

1770
01:36:29,458 --> 01:36:32,559
I've had to relive all that haunted me...
I'll never ask for forgiveness.

1771
01:36:32,875 --> 01:36:35,153
He's sick! Did you tell him that?

1772
01:36:35,534 --> 01:36:37,208
It's of course your right.

1773
01:36:37,309 --> 01:36:40,325
I have to prepare your brother
for the possibility you don't do it.

1774
01:36:40,917 --> 01:36:43,059
But you, even if you say no...

1775
01:36:43,125 --> 01:36:45,106
Will you be able to take it?

1776
01:36:45,458 --> 01:36:49,293
Can you bear him asking you
to ask him for forgiveness?

1777
01:36:51,708 --> 01:36:54,083
You don't have to answer today.

1778
01:36:54,378 --> 01:36:56,707
- But give it some time.
- Yes.

1779
01:36:56,732 --> 01:36:58,365
I know what
you're going to say.

1780
01:36:58,458 --> 01:37:01,000
Think about it...
talk to my therapist about it.

1781
01:37:01,167 --> 01:37:03,500
This is very important, Chloe.

1782
01:37:06,184 --> 01:37:08,268
You know...
I understood the rules.

1783
01:37:09,467 --> 01:37:13,235
But it really pisses me off that you
protect my brother as much as me.

1784
01:37:15,058 --> 01:37:16,409
I understand.

1785
01:37:25,307 --> 01:37:26,751
What's this?

1786
01:37:34,304 --> 01:37:35,906
Drop dead, damn you!

1787
01:37:35,971 --> 01:37:37,093
Bloody hell!

1788
01:38:07,333 --> 01:38:08,625
Good morning.

1789
01:38:09,875 --> 01:38:11,167
Hello how are you?
Nasim.

1790
01:38:14,929 --> 01:38:16,142
My apologies.

1791
01:38:16,167 --> 01:38:18,726
- Hello, Nassim, we were worried.
- I got lost.

1792
01:38:19,333 --> 01:38:20,333
How are you?

1793
01:38:20,500 --> 01:38:21,851
It's good you're here.

1794
01:38:22,098 --> 01:38:23,807
I had a hard time coming.

1795
01:38:24,833 --> 01:38:26,042
Everything changed.

1796
01:38:26,208 --> 01:38:29,000
The roads, the ramps.
I didn't recognise anything.

1797
01:38:29,167 --> 01:38:31,798
When I was released,
my sister said to me...

1798
01:38:31,974 --> 01:38:33,942
“You’re not going back
to the neighbourhood.”

1799
01:38:34,125 --> 01:38:36,499
I'm at her place.
30 km away.

1800
01:38:36,524 --> 01:38:39,759
You're released, you return to prison.
You didn't understand anything.

1801
01:38:40,574 --> 01:38:43,174
The supervisors believed
you were attacking the prison?

1802
01:38:43,208 --> 01:38:44,708
They wouldn't let me in.

1803
01:38:44,732 --> 01:38:46,292
Admit it, you were afraid
of Gregoire.

1804
01:38:46,458 --> 01:38:48,329
"If I don't come, he'll find me."

1805
01:38:48,417 --> 01:38:50,352
"He'll make me miserable."

1806
01:38:51,042 --> 01:38:53,375
- Your sister, is that your big sister?
- Yeah.

1807
01:38:53,532 --> 01:38:55,860
I called her.
She came to see me.

1808
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:59,578
We hadn't seen each other
for at least 7 years.

1809
01:38:59,917 --> 01:39:01,774
- You called her?
- Yeah.

1810
01:39:02,023 --> 01:39:04,065
I said that I met victims.

1811
01:39:04,458 --> 01:39:06,196
That one reminded me of her.

1812
01:39:09,767 --> 01:39:10,571
Me?

1813
01:39:10,626 --> 01:39:12,492
Well yeah.
Too much.

1814
01:39:12,735 --> 01:39:16,540
I wanted to tell her that I understood
why she didn't see me anymore.

1815
01:39:16,917 --> 01:39:19,532
I understood things
she'd said 10 years ago.

1816
01:39:21,198 --> 01:39:22,506
I understood them then.

1817
01:39:22,634 --> 01:39:24,227
Have you patched things up?

1818
01:39:24,414 --> 01:39:25,956
What's that?

1819
01:39:26,292 --> 01:39:29,204
I don't know...
Reconciled.

1820
01:39:29,594 --> 01:39:30,799
Well, yeah.

1821
01:39:30,832 --> 01:39:32,485
"Patched things up".

1822
01:39:32,580 --> 01:39:33,898
Cute expression.

1823
01:39:35,044 --> 01:39:37,253
I told my lawyer
that it wasn't me.

1824
01:39:37,583 --> 01:39:40,376
She insisted on knowing.
I said it wasn't me.

1825
01:39:40,846 --> 01:39:45,179
During the robbery, I didn't know,
a customer started filming.

1826
01:39:45,542 --> 01:39:48,083
You saw nothing,
but my voice was heard.

1827
01:39:48,250 --> 01:39:50,274
She said...
“Tell me if it’s you.”

1828
01:39:50,667 --> 01:39:51,833
If it's not you...

1829
01:39:51,977 --> 01:39:54,579
...I'll request vocal expertise,
this will be proof.

1830
01:39:55,083 --> 01:39:57,829
If it's you, on the other hand,
I won't ask for one.

1831
01:39:58,375 --> 01:40:00,852
I said again... “No. It’s not me!”

1832
01:40:01,250 --> 01:40:03,845
She requested vocal expertise,
so, there you go.

1833
01:40:05,515 --> 01:40:06,515
It was me.

1834
01:40:06,829 --> 01:40:07,958
You're crazy.

1835
01:40:08,125 --> 01:40:10,048
- What a pity.
- Why? Because you lied?

1836
01:40:10,151 --> 01:40:12,126
I didn't think I'd be recognised.

1837
01:40:12,258 --> 01:40:14,313
Even the lawyer told me...
“You're stupid."

1838
01:40:14,692 --> 01:40:17,985
“You managed to screw yourself
all on your own."

1839
01:40:18,432 --> 01:40:21,024
You don't understand
lawyers' principles.

1840
01:40:21,111 --> 01:40:22,101
Not at all.

1841
01:40:22,125 --> 01:40:23,469
I said to myself...

1842
01:40:23,531 --> 01:40:26,750
"If she thinks I'm innocent,
She will defend me better.”

1843
01:40:26,877 --> 01:40:29,312
As I said, you don't understand.

1844
01:40:29,583 --> 01:40:31,555
I did a lot of stupid things.

1845
01:40:32,426 --> 01:40:34,258
I'm not a very good offender.

1846
01:40:35,344 --> 01:40:36,602
I should stop.

1847
01:40:36,627 --> 01:40:38,426
Are you going to be able
to not re-offend?

1848
01:40:38,450 --> 01:40:39,344
I think so.

1849
01:40:39,596 --> 01:40:41,673
For my woman, my son,
I have to hang on.

1850
01:40:42,324 --> 01:40:45,350
My wife believes in me.
She works to send me money.

1851
01:40:45,500 --> 01:40:48,187
She sweats for me.
I owe her.

1852
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:49,856
Nasim?

1853
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:51,703
I don't think I'll re-offend.

1854
01:40:52,494 --> 01:40:54,187
I'd always be seeing your faces.

1855
01:40:54,516 --> 01:40:56,000
We're good, outside.

1856
01:40:56,362 --> 01:40:58,391
It's been 4 days,
but already...

1857
01:40:58,458 --> 01:40:59,703
What will you do?

1858
01:40:59,772 --> 01:41:03,781
I did an upgrade and training
as a storeman.

1859
01:41:04,375 --> 01:41:07,094
- I have an interview.
- Fingers crossed.

1860
01:41:07,203 --> 01:41:08,367
Thanks.

1861
01:41:08,450 --> 01:41:10,187
- And you?
- Me?

1862
01:41:11,417 --> 01:41:13,281
I don't know
if I won't re-offend.

1863
01:41:13,625 --> 01:41:17,164
Honestly, to get a job
after prison, is impossible.

1864
01:41:17,448 --> 01:41:18,739
Sorry, Nassim.

1865
01:41:19,208 --> 01:41:21,039
I've already tried, I know.

1866
01:41:21,503 --> 01:41:24,586
Outside, things move at full speed.
It's complicated.

1867
01:41:24,875 --> 01:41:28,500
Files, requests for stuff.
I don't know how to do anything.

1868
01:41:29,042 --> 01:41:31,500
I know myself...
I'm going to get angry.

1869
01:41:31,667 --> 01:41:34,141
- Here, I'm calm, but sometimes...
- It's scary.

1870
01:41:34,833 --> 01:41:37,833
We can get robbed again,
and maybe by you.

1871
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,000
I'm not going to rob you.

1872
01:41:40,073 --> 01:41:41,227
Why not?

1873
01:41:42,125 --> 01:41:43,542
I won't attack you.

1874
01:41:43,708 --> 01:41:44,680
Why not?

1875
01:41:44,734 --> 01:41:45,937
We know each other.

1876
01:41:46,020 --> 01:41:47,020
So what?

1877
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:50,500
No reason. That's how it is,
that's all.

1878
01:41:50,596 --> 01:41:52,562
What are you talking about,
actually?

1879
01:41:52,918 --> 01:41:55,124
Is handling files hard?

1880
01:41:55,292 --> 01:41:57,461
But living here is hard.
I don't understand.

1881
01:41:57,516 --> 01:42:00,312
Sleeping in shitty beds...
that's hard.

1882
01:42:00,788 --> 01:42:02,281
What are you talking about?

1883
01:42:02,832 --> 01:42:05,305
I'll do your filing,
it's nothing.

1884
01:42:05,817 --> 01:42:08,066
Seriously, you call me,
I'll help you.

1885
01:42:09,202 --> 01:42:11,058
You go back to prison,
I'll thump you.

1886
01:42:11,597 --> 01:42:13,847
You want something to drink?
It looks good.

1887
01:42:14,208 --> 01:42:16,168
You want some water?

1888
01:42:23,218 --> 01:42:24,792
I left school in 3rd grade.

1889
01:42:25,214 --> 01:42:28,402
Me too...
I didn't do any special studies.

1890
01:42:28,605 --> 01:42:29,750
I was terrible at school.

1891
01:42:30,109 --> 01:42:32,191
- It's you who put the smiley?
- No.

1892
01:42:32,418 --> 01:42:34,058
I'll do your buttons.

1893
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,896
I have my equipment.

1894
01:42:37,064 --> 01:42:37,943
Yes.

1895
01:42:38,058 --> 01:42:39,058
Not bad.

1896
01:42:39,198 --> 01:42:40,497
For the pocket...

1897
01:42:40,958 --> 01:42:42,591
It's closer, all the same.

1898
01:42:43,484 --> 01:42:45,708
A little lively.
Pretty, but a little lively.

1899
01:42:45,865 --> 01:42:47,388
- You're right.
- Thank you, Sabine.

1900
01:42:47,474 --> 01:42:49,583
How nice. My favourite shirt.

1901
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:51,625
I do it during the meeting.

1902
01:42:51,792 --> 01:42:53,958
I bought a replacement shirt.

1903
01:42:54,307 --> 01:42:55,932
I went to look for it.

1904
01:42:55,974 --> 01:42:56,816
Thanks.

1905
01:42:56,841 --> 01:42:58,875
It means that you went out?

1906
01:42:58,956 --> 01:43:00,591
Yes, I went out yesterday.

1907
01:43:01,518 --> 01:43:02,513
It was sunny.

1908
01:43:11,768 --> 01:43:12,794
It’s Michael.

1909
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:14,000
What did he say?

1910
01:43:14,583 --> 01:43:15,583
"Shit."

1911
01:43:42,917 --> 01:43:44,357
You can settle in here.

1912
01:44:03,476 --> 01:44:04,872
Comfortable?

1913
01:44:06,172 --> 01:44:08,130
Want something to drink?

1914
01:44:09,918 --> 01:44:11,293
Welcome to both of you.

1915
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:15,419
If you need a break,
don't hesitate to say so.

1916
01:44:17,875 --> 01:44:18,875
Good.

1917
01:44:19,784 --> 01:44:23,849
We agreed together
that Ms Delarme would speak first.

1918
01:44:25,050 --> 01:44:26,482
Chloe, please.

1919
01:44:29,371 --> 01:44:32,205
We live in the same city,
but I don't want to see you.

1920
01:44:32,617 --> 01:44:34,284
I don't want us to cross paths.

1921
01:44:35,449 --> 01:44:37,801
I want us to agree on things
and that we...

1922
01:44:38,426 --> 01:44:39,833
...stick to it.

1923
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:41,716
Let's commit to it.

1924
01:44:45,515 --> 01:44:47,888
You plan to go to the cemetery,
to see Mum?

1925
01:44:48,456 --> 01:44:49,456
Yes.

1926
01:44:49,630 --> 01:44:51,333
What day will you go?

1927
01:44:52,708 --> 01:44:54,240
The weekend.

1928
01:44:54,471 --> 01:44:55,755
The weekend, okay.

1929
01:44:55,937 --> 01:44:57,443
I'll never go
during the weekend.

1930
01:44:57,708 --> 01:45:01,208
I'll only go during the week,
you, never during the week, okay?

1931
01:45:02,488 --> 01:45:03,568
All right.

1932
01:45:03,667 --> 01:45:05,333
Which cinema do you go to?

1933
01:45:05,833 --> 01:45:07,333
The multiplex.

1934
01:45:07,687 --> 01:45:09,232
Friday or Saturday...

1935
01:45:09,755 --> 01:45:11,982
I will never go on Friday and Saturday.

1936
01:45:12,356 --> 01:45:15,193
- Not on Sunday either, if you want.
- All right.

1937
01:45:15,421 --> 01:45:16,841
The central cinema?

1938
01:45:16,983 --> 01:45:18,294
You want to go there?

1939
01:45:18,947 --> 01:45:20,122
I don't know.

1940
01:45:22,708 --> 01:45:24,625
You want that I write
all this down?

1941
01:45:24,698 --> 01:45:25,823
I don't mind.

1942
01:45:29,616 --> 01:45:31,677
- The swimming pool, do you go there?
- No.

1943
01:45:32,733 --> 01:45:35,257
I'll leave you Saturday and Monday,
if you want to go there.

1944
01:45:36,458 --> 01:45:38,875
Restaurants in the commercial area...
I'm not going there.

1945
01:45:38,942 --> 01:45:41,555
Those in the centre...
I'll leave them to you every other day.

1946
01:45:41,644 --> 01:45:43,727
Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

1947
01:45:45,244 --> 01:45:46,660
- Does that suit you?
- OK.

1948
01:45:49,632 --> 01:45:51,247
You look like Mum.

1949
01:45:55,096 --> 01:45:56,396
You're beautiful.

1950
01:45:58,424 --> 01:46:00,091
I'm asking my questions.

1951
01:46:03,833 --> 01:46:06,544
It was you who broke
the bathroom lock?

1952
01:46:18,387 --> 01:46:19,471
You?

1953
01:46:21,515 --> 01:46:22,630
Yes.

1954
01:46:25,156 --> 01:46:27,427
Was it you who hurt Pillou?

1955
01:46:33,088 --> 01:46:34,171
Yes.

1956
01:46:34,583 --> 01:46:36,661
Did you throw away my boxes?

1957
01:46:37,671 --> 01:46:39,707
From the cupboard in my room?

1958
01:46:42,789 --> 01:46:43,789
Yes.

1959
01:46:44,583 --> 01:46:46,118
The first time you made waffles...

1960
01:46:46,476 --> 01:46:49,500
..at Rue Merlin...
...after Christmas, remember?

1961
01:46:50,667 --> 01:46:53,671
You were in the kitchen with Mum,
it was morning.

1962
01:46:53,934 --> 01:46:56,393
Her wrist was broken...
she'd fallen.

1963
01:46:56,856 --> 01:46:59,664
I walked in and suddenly
you stopped talking.

1964
01:47:01,042 --> 01:47:02,957
Did she tell you
anything about me?

1965
01:47:07,667 --> 01:47:09,855
Did Mum try
to tell you to stop?

1966
01:47:18,328 --> 01:47:19,661
- Yes?
- Yes.

1967
01:47:24,708 --> 01:47:27,167
- Were there other victims?
- No.

1968
01:47:27,785 --> 01:47:29,090
Not even Heloise?

1969
01:47:29,125 --> 01:47:30,621
No, I swear.

1970
01:47:34,018 --> 01:47:35,652
Why me, then?

1971
01:47:41,221 --> 01:47:42,378
I don't know.

1972
01:47:46,792 --> 01:47:48,957
I don't know, it happened like that.

1973
01:47:55,744 --> 01:47:56,933
Benjamin...

1974
01:48:00,125 --> 01:48:02,082
Didn't you know
I didn't want to?

1975
01:48:20,874 --> 01:48:23,488
I thank you
for answering my questions.

1976
01:48:24,542 --> 01:48:26,083
If we meet elsewhere...

1977
01:48:26,250 --> 01:48:29,355
...in the street, in the supermarket,
I won't say hello to you.

1978
01:48:29,648 --> 01:48:31,605
I'd rather you didn't, either.

1979
01:48:40,721 --> 01:48:41,886
Chloe.

1980
01:48:42,441 --> 01:48:46,925
If you feel that you've covered
the topics you wanted to address...

1981
01:48:50,699 --> 01:48:51,800
Benjamin?

1982
01:48:53,028 --> 01:48:54,903
Do you want to ask
your questions now?

1983
01:48:55,179 --> 01:48:56,550
No, it's okay.

1984
01:48:58,694 --> 01:48:59,824
Are you sure?

1985
01:49:01,781 --> 01:49:06,433
I can help you formulate some
of your initial requests, if you like.

1986
01:49:06,875 --> 01:49:07,875
No.

1987
01:49:08,557 --> 01:49:11,347
We can take a break
and resume afterwards...

1988
01:49:12,143 --> 01:49:14,479
...if you want to put
your ideas back in place.

1989
01:49:15,167 --> 01:49:16,254
No it's OK.

1990
01:49:18,405 --> 01:49:20,159
Do you have any more questions?

1991
01:49:22,625 --> 01:49:24,605
- Do you have more requests?
- No.

1992
01:49:26,502 --> 01:49:27,620
It's fine.

1993
01:49:32,458 --> 01:49:34,472
I want to thank you both...

1994
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,520
...for your confidence
throughout this process.

1995
01:49:38,875 --> 01:49:39,730
Thanks.

1996
01:49:39,792 --> 01:49:41,043
Thanks to you.

1997
01:49:47,417 --> 01:49:48,750
She takes her things.

1998
01:49:51,667 --> 01:49:52,667
Chloe.

1999
01:49:56,620 --> 01:49:59,096
I want to tell you...
I don't want you anymore.

2000
01:50:03,213 --> 01:50:04,504
Good luck.

2001
01:50:28,085 --> 01:50:31,752
I'm a probation counsellor,
like some of you here.

2002
01:50:32,667 --> 01:50:35,625
I know how alone we can feel...

2003
01:50:35,792 --> 01:50:38,307
...and sometimes useless,
powerless in our jobs...

2004
01:50:38,393 --> 01:50:40,448
...even when we do our best.

2005
01:50:41,377 --> 01:50:44,502
At many times, we tell ourselves
that it’s not enough.

2006
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:47,479
I understand what
you're looking for here.

2007
01:50:47,504 --> 01:50:52,729
We're not going to lie to each other,
restorative justice is a combat sport.

2008
01:50:53,417 --> 01:50:55,971
It's everything this day and age hates.

2009
01:50:56,417 --> 01:50:59,682
This is the end
of our fifth meeting.

2010
01:51:00,500 --> 01:51:01,500
Thanks again.

2011
01:51:02,328 --> 01:51:03,911
It takes a lot of time.

2012
01:51:04,125 --> 01:51:05,250
Many people.

2013
01:51:05,417 --> 01:51:08,713
It's uncertain,
It doesn't suit everyone.

2014
01:51:09,083 --> 01:51:12,708
We can't always say
how many times or until when.

2015
01:51:12,875 --> 01:51:16,221
And when you have completed
your first action plans...

2016
01:51:16,458 --> 01:51:20,250
...and you could tell your colleagues,
and your loved ones...

2017
01:51:20,417 --> 01:51:21,929
...that at the end
of the meetings...

2018
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:25,542
...the victims took selfies
with the perpetrators...

2019
01:51:26,292 --> 01:51:29,208
...some will call you naive.

2020
01:51:30,250 --> 01:51:33,250
Others will tell you
that what you do is magical.

2021
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:38,000
But you will know that what
you've done, wasn't magic...

2022
01:51:38,745 --> 01:51:40,411
It was just your job.

2023
01:51:59,875 --> 01:52:02,726
Judith, I am writing to thank you...

2024
01:52:03,250 --> 01:52:04,917
...and tell you that I'm fine.

2025
01:52:05,417 --> 01:52:08,333
I felt immense grief
and anger rising...

2026
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:10,167
...the months before the meeting.

2027
01:52:10,333 --> 01:52:11,882
Hatred, too.

2028
01:52:12,331 --> 01:52:14,179
It's now behind me.

2029
01:52:14,481 --> 01:52:17,539
I had to break the connection
between him and others.

2030
01:52:17,851 --> 01:52:19,468
Between him and men.

2031
01:52:20,292 --> 01:52:22,968
I met the wolf...
it was my brother.

2032
01:52:23,237 --> 01:52:24,867
And I didn't die from it.

2033
01:52:25,323 --> 01:52:27,171
And it won't occupy
the rest of my life.

2034
01:52:28,500 --> 01:52:30,765
In the end, when I turn around...

2035
01:52:31,167 --> 01:52:34,359
...I want to be able to say
it happened and it was terrible.

2036
01:52:35,167 --> 01:52:37,984
But less serious than the death
of my father, who will die one day.

2037
01:52:38,351 --> 01:52:40,679
Or a friend's cancer...
who I might lose.

2038
01:52:41,284 --> 01:52:43,450
I'm happy to have succeeded
in hating him...

2039
01:52:43,778 --> 01:52:45,737
...because I'm starting
to feel ready to love.