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{\an8}[dogs barking]
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{\an8}[reporter] Have you heard about Kai,
the hitchhiking hatchet hero?
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{\an8}If you haven't, you will.
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{\an8}It's the hottest video
on the Internet right now.
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{\an8}- What do you wanna talk about?
- What happened?
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{\an8}[reporter] This was not
a typical news story.
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{\an8}It may have started out as one,
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{\an8}but it very quickly progressed
into a heck of a lot more.
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{\an8}I mean, there's no doubt
that day Kai was a hero.
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{\an8}Everyone around the world
wanted a piece of this kid.
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{\an8}He could have had anything he wanted.
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{\an8}I mean, he could have had
the money, the fame.
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{\an8}But this dude
that I introduced the world to
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{\an8}went, in the matter of three months,
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{\an8}from this amazing,
heroic, beautiful person
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{\an8}to wanted by authorities for murder.
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{\an8}- So it's a really fucked-up story.
- [phone vibrating]
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{\an8}He's calling right now.
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{\an8}- [woman] Who is?
- Kai.
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{\an8}- Hello?
- [robotic voice] You have a prepaid call.
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{\an8}You will not be charged for this call.
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{\an8}This call is from an inmate
at the New Jersey State Prison.
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{\an8}This call will be monitored and recorded.
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[train clacking on tracks]
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[train horn blares]
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[reporter 2] When we began to hear
about this next story in the newsroom
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a little after 2:00 p.m. this afternoon,
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it sounded very strange.
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And, as KMPH news anchor
Jessob Reisbeck shows us,
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it only got crazier.
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[Jessob] It's February 1st 2013.
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{\an8}I had been tabbed to report news that day.
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And over the scanner came,
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"There's been a car accident.
It looks pretty bad."
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"There's someone pinned between the car
and a utility vehicle."
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"The driver's yelling crazy things."
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"'I'm Jesus Christ."
"All Black people deserve to die.'"
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Racist things. Terrible things.
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{\an8}An absolute bizarre scene
here in West Fresno
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{\an8}at the corner of McKinley and Marks.
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I was a sports anchor and reporter,
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and, for whatever reason,
we were short on news reporters.
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So this was literally
my first day covering news,
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and it turned out to be,
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man, something else.
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A man plows his car into a PG&E worker,
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pinning him against his truck,
because the worker was Black.
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And innocent bystanders
come to the rescue.
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He must have done this on purpose.
Like, he tried to kill this dude.
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My mom ran to the driver
to make sure he was okay
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'cause we thought
maybe it was just an accident.
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He just kept saying he was Jesus Christ
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and he's gonna save all of us and that,
but we have to get…
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He used the N word,
meaning the Black people and that.
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He said we need
to get them off of the earth.
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[Jessob] The driver ends up being
this 6'4", 300-pound huge guy.
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Then he turns to this woman
that tried to come and help
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and starts to physically hurt her,
got her in a bear hug,
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is choking her.
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[barking]
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[Jessob]
All of a sudden, she said the passenger,
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who looked like a hitchhiker,
a homeless guy,
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comes and attacks the driver
and saves her.
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And, as I'm doing this interview,
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I look across this two-lane farm road
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and down walking
on the other side of the road
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was a guy with long hair,
a bandana, a really big backpack,
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and not to stereotype,
but looked like a homeless hitchhiker.
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- Can we talk to you? Do you mind?
- What do you wanna talk about?
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What happened today?
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Well, went straight outta Dogtown.
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Skateboarding, surfing it up…
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The first thing he wanted to do
was send a loving message
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to whoever sees this interview.
It's powerful. It gives me goosebumps.
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He'd been through this crazy,
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what to most people would be
a traumatic situation,
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and he looked right in the camera…
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Before I say anything else, I wanna say
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no matter what you've done,
you deserve respect.
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Even if you make mistakes, you're lovable,
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and it doesn't matter your looks,
skills, or age, size, or anything,
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you're worthwhile. No one can ever
take that away from you. Now…
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He just had such a different perspective
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of what he was supposed
to do in that moment.
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[hitchhiker]
I look over. The guy's pinned there.
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Buddy gets out.
These two women are trying to help him.
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He runs up, and he grabs one of them, man.
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A guy that big can snap a woman's neck
like a pencil stick.
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So I fucking ran up behind him
with a hatchet.
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Smash! Smash! Smash!
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Yeah.
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Who would expect
a hatchet-wielding hitchhiker
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to be coming to save the day?
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I was blown away. Absolutely blown away,
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{\an8}'cause you looked at him
and he's rough around the edges,
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{\an8}and then you see
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the treasure he truly was.
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That woman was in danger.
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He just finished, what looked like
at the time, killing somebody.
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If I hadn't done that,
he would've killed more people.
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[woman] Did it strike you as odd
that he had a hatchet?
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Did it-- Not really. I mean, I just--
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You know, I figured being
kind of a homeless transient,
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a hatchet would be a good thing to have,
you know.
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He saw a woman that was in danger.
"I'm gonna help her."
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But how willing and able he was
to use it on another person's skull,
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maybe, yeah. That's kinda shocking.
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[Jessob] How'd you get in his car?
I was… I was hitchhiking.
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Well, good thing I was hitchhiking.
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Yeah, people say, "Don't hitchhike.
This is what happens."
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- Yeah, well, at least I was here.
- [Jessob] Can I get your name?
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- I'm Kai.
- [Jessob] Can I get the spelling for it?
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- Straight outta Dogtown. K-A-I.
- [Jessob] Do you have a last name?
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No, bro. I don't have anything.
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As crazy as things got here,
the best news is,
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somehow, luckily, none of the injuries
suffered are life-threatening,
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and the guy driving that car is
right where he belongs, in police custody.
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In West Fresno,
Jessob Reisbeck, KMPH News.
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After I finished the interview, reporters
from other stations came up to him.
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and said, of course, "Can we talk to you?"
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This guy was
the most charismatic dude ever.
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He's gonna talk to everyone.
He wants everyone to see him.
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For whatever reason, he said, "Nope.
I'm not talking to anyone else," and left.
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And when that happened, I knew.
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Holy shit.
We got something really special now,
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because we're gonna be
the only one with this interview.
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[laughs]
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When you look at a story, any story,
if you're going to tell a story,
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you need a villain,
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you need an unlikely hero,
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you need an amazing scenario,
and you need someone in distress,
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and this had all of that.
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Yeah, it was fucking gnarly, man.
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Holy shit. It was like the biggest wave
I've ever ridden in my life.
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We knew we had gold on our hands.
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That night I decided I wanted the world
to see the entire interview,
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the six-plus minutes of interview,
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because, up until this point,
people had only been able to see
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the minute-and-a-half piece
that I'd put on the news.
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So I put it on YouTube,
I clicked "upload,"
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and then I went to bed.
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I woke up the next morning,
and my world was different.
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It was a game changer in my life,
for sure, just uploading that video.
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I had my own YouTube channel,
and I had about 20 followers.
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And I put it up when I got home,
and I looked at it that night,
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and it's like,
"Oh, it's gotten about 20 hits."
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"That's nice. That's average. Cool."
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Jessob called me the next day.
He's all, "Terry, dude!"
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Just like, "Yeah, Jessob? What?"
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He's like, "Have you seen your video?"
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It's like, "Oh yeah, it was doing good.
I think it was about at 20 or 30 people."
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I thought it was good. He's like,
"Dude, it's at, like, half a million."
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I knew that day
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that Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker
was born.
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Now, this stuff right here, I was driving…
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- Smash! Smash! Smash!
- [laughs]
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- Smash!
- Smash!
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He literally has a hatchet in his hand.
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I'm absolutely obsessed with this guy.
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This guy's my fucking hero!
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Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker.
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Fuck yeah.
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Every time you would refresh,
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someone else had taken the video
and reposted it,
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and that had tens
or hundreds of thousands of views.
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So it was just literally like a snowball
that rolled and rolled,
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and the Internet just fed into it.
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{\an8}♪ I'm Kai ♪
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{\an8}[Jessob] There's dozens and dozens
of different autotunes and different songs.
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{\an8}It was insane.
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{\an8}♪ Smash, smash, smash! ♪
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I mean, the memes? Gimme a break, dude.
That guy is a walking meme.
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He might have started memes.
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♪ People say, "Don't hitchhike" ♪
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♪ Well, good thing I was hitchhiking ♪
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♪ That woman was in danger ♪
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♪ So I ran up behind him with a hatchet ♪
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♪ Smash, smash, smash! ♪
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♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
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♪ If he'd started driving that car again ♪
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♪ There'd be a hell of a lot
Of bodies around here ♪
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♪ Dude, that guy was fucking kooked ♪
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♪ He can snap a woman's neck
Like a pencil stick ♪
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♪ So I started smashing him in the head ♪
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♪ Smash, smash, smash! ♪
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Axe-wielding hitchhikers.
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[audience laughs]
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I can't tell you how many times
I've rolled up my windows
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and sped past a hobo sharpening a hatchet.
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When I saw Stephen Colbert do his skit,
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I mean, I didn't watch Colbert
that much until then,
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and then I became
an instant fan of his show. [chuckles]
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For the first time in human history,
people are saying,
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"Boy, we sure are lucky
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that homeless hitchhiker
was carrying a hatchet."
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Kai equalled ratings. It equalled ratings
because he was fresh and interesting.
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People liked him, and ratings equal money.
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So everyone was wanting a piece of him,
to jump on the Kai train, as it were.
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My name is Brad Mulcahy.
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In 2013, I was
the human interest researcher
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for the late-night television show
Jimmy Kimmel Live.
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{\an8}[announcer]
Ready or not, here's Jimmy Kimmel!
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{\an8}[Brad]
My job is to find interesting stories
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or interesting clips and bring them
to rehearsal or email them to Jimmy
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or to track down what Jimmy likes.
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Then I try to find that person
to get them on within 36 hours.
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We tend to air things that are funny.
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Leave Britney alone!
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We especially like people who are genuine
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and whose reaction
to something unexpected is genuine.
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And the best example that I can think of
at the moment is Paul Vasquez,
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who was the double rainbow guy.
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So this gentleman is in Yosemite Park,
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and one day in the park,
he's filming a rainbow,
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and as he's filming it,
a second rainbow begins.
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[Paul] Whoa! My God! Oh my God!
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[laughs] Oh my God! Whoo!
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And at that point,
it only had tens of thousands of views.
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And then once we get him on the show,
it went up over 45 million.
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Were you or were you not ingesting
or inhaling some sort of illegal substance
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when you made that--
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Absolutely not.
I was completely sober. In that video.
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The first time I saw the video of Kai,
it was intoxicating,
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not to mention that he did genuinely help
two human beings who were in peril.
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And it was brilliant.
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I went to rehearsal, and I believe
I was told almost immediately,
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"We'd like to see
if you can find that gentleman."
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Hey, buddy! Good boy.
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Who's a good boy, baby?
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Of course everybody wants to be famous,
but who has that "it factor"?
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{\an8}What is that thing
that is just so mesmerizing
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{\an8}that you can't take
your eyes off somebody,
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that is, like…
"What are they gonna do next?"
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{\an8}One of the biggest shows
that I had the privilege of working on
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{\an8}was Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
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{\an8}[announcer] Don't miss the season premiere
of The Kardashians.
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And I think the appeal with Kai was,
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most people that are heroes
are not homeless people.
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This was somebody
that came from a different walk of life
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that could just open up new audiences
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and expose people to a different world
that they had never seen.
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And there was something funny about him
and kinda cute and sweet and innocent.
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If anyone's watching this and they got
a Mini Mal that they could lend a guy
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with a wetsuit,
I'd love to test out Mavericks.
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He has that "it factor."
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So I wanna find him.
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Except how do you find
someone that's homeless?
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[gentle guitar music playing]
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[Lisa] Where to start, right?
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I mean, wow!
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My first move was going onto Facebook,
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and Kai had a profile, so I added him
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and sent him a message
that, you know, I wanted to find him
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and I was at this production company.
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What's step one?
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I don't know.
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And that's when I called
the Fresno affiliate that aired the clip.
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I speak to Jessob. It's like,
"How do I get in touch with this guy?"
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And Jessob, you know, "You can't."
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Jessob was the gatekeeper.
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Everyone around the world
wanted a piece of this kid.
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At one point,
I remember deleting my emails.
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Six minutes later,
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six minutes, I had, like, 124 emails
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from people in Japan, Australia,
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East Coast, West Coast,
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all the different talk shows
you can imagine.
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I knew they wanted to talk to him,
to be the first person to tell his story.
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But I also knew
I was the only one with his email.
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So I sent him a message,
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and I just told him,
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look, there's all these people that
wanna literally make him rich and famous,
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but I wanted to be the first one
before all these opportunities.
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I wanted to tell him
about these opportunities
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in an honest, fair way.
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Subject, "Blowing Up."
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{\an8}"Hey bro, we'd love to do
an interview with you
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{\an8}about all the craziness going on around
the Internet and the world about you."
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{\an8}"The people wanna hear from you."
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{\an8}"We'd love to be
the one that brings it to them."
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{\an8}"Hope all is good."
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{\an8}"Stay safe."
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Everybody was trying to get a hold of him.
I mean, this was a manhunt.
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As this thing is getting bigger
and bigger and bigger,
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I knew that I had to talk to him again.
I had to figure out more about him.
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I had to tell his story.
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Finally, he used someone's phone
at a gas station and called me.
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I was super stoked.
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And then I said, "Where are you,
and when can we come and talk to you?"
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And he said something like,
"Oh, well, you know, I'm up in Stockton."
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Um, and even my boss said,
"Do whatever you have to do."
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"Get the kid a hotel room.
Keep him somewhere so we can talk to him."
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[man] Anytime you're on the road
getting ready to interview somebody,
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you get excited. But I think this was
a little bit more excitement
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because this is a guy that has gone viral,
that everybody wants a piece of.
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But nobody could get a hold of him
except for one person in the entire world.
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And that was Jessob.
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[Jessob] The entire drive there,
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I was talking to different people,
doing different interviews.
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It's nonstop. They're trying to get him.
"I'm going to talk to him."
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They wanna know where.
I'm not telling them.
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We were driving up to the hotel,
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and I'm turning the corner,
and I turn to Jessob. I was like,
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"Isn't that Kai?" Jessob's like…
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"There he is. Turn around.
Let's go. We're getting him."
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Uh, yeah, let's do this, in three...
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Look who it is!
We finally caught up with him.
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It is the world sensation,
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everybody's friend,
and pretty much a world hero,
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it's Kai.
Kai, let me tell you this real quick.
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You're like Batman,
except for you don't have the Bat-Signal.
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You know,
Batman obviously has the spotlight--
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And I'm not a filthy rich, spoiled fuck
who looks down on everyone.
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[Alex] I think the biggest difference
between seeing him in the viral video
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and being around him in person
was that he was a loose cannon.
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I felt like his energy was
just a little bit crazy, you know?
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He just had some weird energy around him
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that was, like, you didn't know
what he was gonna do next.
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- You can bleep that, right?
- That was awesome.
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The first one-- Okay…
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- [beatboxing]
- [laughing]
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He had such an endearing quality.
There's so much charisma.
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I don't know if I've met someone
that has as much charisma as this guy.
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This right here is one of my friends.
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Her name's Joan Sewitt.
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Now, on Saturday here,
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some of these, uh… some
of these policy enforcers up on over in…
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This is Stockton.
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They came on up with her with a gun.
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Like, they pulled a gun on her.
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That, to me, is fucking ridiculous.
That is a vulgar display of power,
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and not in a way that
I think Phil Anselmo would appreciate.
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He would fill a cart from a local store
with goods and steal it.
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But he would go outside and give it
all away to people that needed it.
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So it's like, "Well, shit.
I don't even know how to look at that."
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How did it make you feel, though,
being this viral sensation,
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being everyone's hero right now, Kai?
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I'm not a virus. You kidding me?
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Shit, I'm a sensation. I'm Kai.
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We did the interview first,
and then we need what's called B-roll.
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"So what do you think
would be a good shot of you?"
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And he said,
"There's a music shop over here."
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"I can grab one of the guitars
and play a song." We're like, "Sweet."
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So here's one I wrote.
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[Jessob]
He plays this song, and it was phenomenal.
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♪ I've never seen a beauty
Like you before ♪
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♪ Breathless kisses through the door ♪
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♪ You got that shiny light
Of fight in your eyes ♪
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♪ You're the sunset
That brings the twilight ♪
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♪ Soft, orange kisses, forlorn misses ♪
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♪ When you leave ♪
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♪ Soft, orange kisses, well-worn dresses ♪
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♪ That you leave ♪
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[Jessob] Performed well, sung well.
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The guitar playing was great.
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You know,
he even, like, performs it, you know?
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At one point,
the song says something like, you know,
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"Take back your hood,"
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and he, like, throws his bandana off
at the perfect time.
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♪ Pull back my hood
And kiss me real good ♪
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♪ And just move
Get a little bit closer ♪
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♪ And pull back, and pull back, you do ♪
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♪ And just move ♪
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♪ We'll feel this groove
With the loving that we do ♪
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♪ We'll feel this groove
With the loving that we do, uh ♪
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He's a great performer,
and he's talented as heck.
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Wow, this is another, you know, aspect
of this guy that's pretty incredible.
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He's willing to be a hero
in a dangerous situation.
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And he's also a really good musician.
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- [Jessob] How do you know this guy?
- The Internet, man.
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He, uh… he hit some guy
with an axe in the head.
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He didn't know
the scope of it at that point,
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about how, you know,
big his story had become.
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He was starting to see it
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because, I mean, people were
already recognizing him
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and asking him for pictures
and autographs and stuff like that.
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How'd you get up here?
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Uh, hitchhiked. [chuckles]
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- Sweet.
- Yeah, bro.
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- Hope you still have the hatchet.
- No, I don't. They took it from me.
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Oh, we need to get you a new hatchet, sir.
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[Jessob] So we finished up filming,
and then I said,
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"Do you wanna eat?"
He says, "I'll come and eat."
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I just started laying out
the options that he had,
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everyone from East Coast to West Coast,
then Jimmy Kimmel,
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and the fricking Kardashian producers
wanna give him his own show.
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"Kai, he's trying to say
you're famous now."
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And you could see the lights
kinda click on in Kai's head,
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like, "Whoa, like, I'm famous.
Like, what?"
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00:19:45,352 --> 00:19:47,938
I mean, there is no bigger brand
than the Kardashians.
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I could turn around
and throw a dart and approach anybody
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and entice them
to wanna be a reality star.
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He could be rich and famous
and do anything he wants
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if he wants it.
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00:20:04,454 --> 00:20:06,706
There were these comment cards
on the table,
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and they had, like,
a little golf pencil with them.
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And he's kind of playing with the pencil
as I'm talking to him.
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I'm like, "Kai, are you listening to me?"
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"Listen to all these things
I'm telling you."
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00:20:15,757 --> 00:20:18,635
"This is unbelievable.
You could be an overnight millionaire."
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00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:21,304
He just continues
to play with this pencil.
402
00:20:21,388 --> 00:20:25,308
He's like, "I kinda just want to go
to the Bay Area and smoke weed."
403
00:20:25,392 --> 00:20:28,311
All of the things in the world
on one side,
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00:20:28,395 --> 00:20:29,896
smoke weed on the other side.
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00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:32,440
This is the fork in the road
we've come to with Kai.
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And all of a sudden,
he picks it up, throws it,
407
00:20:34,651 --> 00:20:37,028
and it spins around and it falls,
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00:20:37,112 --> 00:20:38,780
and he looks at me, and he goes,
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"I'm gonna go to the Bay Area
and smoke weed."
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00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:44,869
"Are you… kidding me right now?
Wait a second."
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00:20:44,953 --> 00:20:47,497
"You're telling me
that he is not gonna meet with us
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because he spun some pencil?"
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00:20:52,127 --> 00:20:54,296
I mean, you have to think
if you're Kai, like,
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"What do I have to lose?"
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00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:59,217
"This has to change my life somehow.
Why not?"
416
00:21:00,552 --> 00:21:02,846
"Hey, just go back to him and say
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00:21:02,929 --> 00:21:06,141
we'll send him
a whole limo filled with weed."
418
00:21:07,976 --> 00:21:10,145
"Look, dude, here's their counter-offer."
419
00:21:11,313 --> 00:21:12,480
Kai said, "Okay."
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00:21:13,732 --> 00:21:15,608
Alex and I jump in our news vehicle,
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00:21:15,692 --> 00:21:19,029
and we head back to Fresno
with the story that we got.
422
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{\an8}KMPH is still the only TV station
in the world to talk to Kai,
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00:21:22,907 --> 00:21:25,410
{\an8}but he is getting offers
for new television adventures,
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{\an8}like, well, you wouldn't believe.
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{\an8}So chances are you will be seeing him
somewhere new very soon.
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00:21:32,083 --> 00:21:34,210
At this point,
everybody wants to get a hold of Kai,
427
00:21:34,294 --> 00:21:38,673
so Jessob says, "Hey, listen.
Kai's willing to do something with you,
428
00:21:38,757 --> 00:21:40,759
but also The Kimmel Show wants him."
429
00:21:40,842 --> 00:21:44,637
"So, hey, that's gotta be good for us.
Like, we're really onto something."
430
00:21:44,721 --> 00:21:48,516
"If the guy that we wanna make a show with
is then gonna be on Kimmel,
431
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,644
it can only make him more popular,
so that's gotta be good for us."
432
00:21:51,728 --> 00:21:53,271
We couldn't put him on the train,
433
00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:55,857
we couldn't put him on a plane
because he has no ID.
434
00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:59,694
So somebody has to put hands on this guy
435
00:21:59,778 --> 00:22:01,696
and then drive him 500 miles.
436
00:22:01,780 --> 00:22:04,616
So we're bringing him to the show,
437
00:22:04,699 --> 00:22:07,786
and my boss said,
"We're sending JR with you."
438
00:22:07,869 --> 00:22:09,579
"He knows Northern California."
439
00:22:13,416 --> 00:22:15,960
[JR] I had no idea who this Kai guy was.
440
00:22:16,044 --> 00:22:18,630
So I watched the viral YouTube video,
441
00:22:18,713 --> 00:22:21,966
and I realized, gosh,
I guess he's got some endearing qualities,
442
00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:23,968
{\an8}but he also just made the news
443
00:22:24,052 --> 00:22:27,764
{\an8}for bludgeoning somebody
over the head with a deadly weapon.
444
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,808
This is gonna be interesting.
445
00:22:32,644 --> 00:22:34,562
It seems most reality production companies
446
00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:38,817
are looking for the next big
pop-culture icon to emerge,
447
00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:41,528
and after Simple Life with Paris Hilton
went away,
448
00:22:41,611 --> 00:22:44,948
they needed a new Paris Hilton,
and Kim Kardashian became that.
449
00:22:45,490 --> 00:22:48,201
So it's a constant look
for the next big thing.
450
00:22:52,038 --> 00:22:54,040
Kai had communicated with Jessob
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00:22:54,124 --> 00:22:57,043
that he had hitchhiked his way
down to Santa Rosa.
452
00:22:58,628 --> 00:23:01,256
And, uh, here we go. Giddy up.
453
00:23:01,339 --> 00:23:03,341
400,000 more of me.
454
00:23:03,425 --> 00:23:06,469
And then there's all the ones
who are just struggling to get up,
455
00:23:06,553 --> 00:23:07,595
but we're helping them.
456
00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:10,682
My initial impression is,
oh my God, he smelled of alcohol.
457
00:23:10,765 --> 00:23:14,352
This guy is in-tox-i-cated.
458
00:23:15,353 --> 00:23:21,568
First thing he does is he sees some guy
who looked like he "had less than he did."
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00:23:21,651 --> 00:23:23,820
He takes the backpack off his back,
460
00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:25,822
and he gave him the backpack.
461
00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:30,702
You know, I thought, like, wow.
Okay, that's pretty good.
462
00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:34,372
[JR] Kimmel's gonna do his thing.
That'll just be a one-off.
463
00:23:34,456 --> 00:23:36,958
What we need to make sure that we do,
464
00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:40,920
before anybody else in Hollywood
can get their grubby hands on him,
465
00:23:41,004 --> 00:23:42,839
"Here's the contract. Sign here."
466
00:23:42,922 --> 00:23:46,759
And I remember
that he signed it in hieroglyphics.
467
00:23:46,843 --> 00:23:50,305
It took him ten minutes to sign his name,
and it was just gibberish.
468
00:23:50,388 --> 00:23:53,308
I don't know how else to describe it.
It was like a cave drawing.
469
00:23:53,391 --> 00:23:55,894
That was his "signature"
agreeing to be on the show.
470
00:23:55,977 --> 00:23:58,771
So theoretically I guess
we had our "deal."
471
00:23:58,855 --> 00:24:00,273
Mission accomplished.
472
00:24:00,356 --> 00:24:03,276
[Lisa] We weren't really sure
exactly what this show was gonna be,
473
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,737
but I think what people saw at my company
474
00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:12,327
was that Kai could be a gateway
into a world that we never saw.
475
00:24:12,410 --> 00:24:16,998
Homeless people living happily
on the streets.
476
00:24:17,081 --> 00:24:19,334
The show would be batshit crazy,
I know that!
477
00:24:19,417 --> 00:24:22,587
If Kai is, like, the lead man,
it's gonna be nuts.
478
00:24:22,670 --> 00:24:23,880
[rhythmic tapping]
479
00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:26,466
[Jessob]
I remember telling her, "Look, get ready."
480
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:28,092
"This is not easy."
481
00:24:28,176 --> 00:24:30,303
"He's a great guy, and he's a crazy guy,
482
00:24:30,386 --> 00:24:33,223
but it's not unicorns and rainbows
when you hang out with this guy."
483
00:24:33,306 --> 00:24:36,142
"It is exhausting.
It's hard. So just be ready."
484
00:24:36,226 --> 00:24:38,478
"And if you need me, call me.
Whatever I can do…"
485
00:24:38,561 --> 00:24:40,980
"Give me the phone. I'll talk to him
if anything's going on."
486
00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,204
[Brad] It's eight o'clock,
and I'm standing outside
487
00:24:56,287 --> 00:24:58,581
the Roosevelt Hotel
on Hollywood Boulevard.
488
00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:00,542
Lisa pulls up with Kai,
489
00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:02,835
and I see Lisa for the first time,
490
00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:05,088
and I see Kai for the first time.
491
00:25:05,171 --> 00:25:07,173
And Lisa looks down, and she says,
492
00:25:07,257 --> 00:25:10,802
"Can you watch him for a minute?
I'm gonna go valet the car,"
493
00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:14,097
which is just straight around the corner,
and I say, "No problem."
494
00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:18,184
And Kai, he gets out of the car.
It's me and him on Hollywood Boulevard,
495
00:25:18,268 --> 00:25:21,271
and people are recognizing him
almost immediately.
496
00:25:21,354 --> 00:25:24,607
People are driving by,
and they're saying, "Smash! Smash! Smash!"
497
00:25:24,691 --> 00:25:27,485
So I'm just standing there.
I'm not watching him. He's an adult.
498
00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,571
Lisa comes back around the corner,
499
00:25:29,654 --> 00:25:32,490
and I could see her,
and she looks at me and she stops.
500
00:25:32,574 --> 00:25:35,785
Kai has his pants pulled down…
501
00:25:35,868 --> 00:25:39,205
And he's urinating
on Julio Iglesias's star
502
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:41,207
directly in front of this hotel.
503
00:25:41,291 --> 00:25:45,128
And I was like, "I fucking told you
to keep an eye on him."
504
00:25:45,211 --> 00:25:48,339
And her face was like,
"I was just with this guy for 26 hours."
505
00:25:48,423 --> 00:25:49,841
"You couldn't do five minutes?"
506
00:25:50,967 --> 00:25:55,555
We were walking into the Roosevelt Hotel,
where Marilyn Monroe used to live,
507
00:25:55,638 --> 00:25:58,725
where they used to hold the Oscars,
and up comes Kai.
508
00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:03,146
[JR] We got into the room,
509
00:26:03,229 --> 00:26:07,150
and he immediately was overjoyed
to see a minibar.
510
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:10,361
You know, these were not
airplane-sized bottles of liquor.
511
00:26:10,445 --> 00:26:12,447
They were enormous bottles of liquor.
512
00:26:12,530 --> 00:26:14,741
Immediately, he cracked open
a Jack Daniels
513
00:26:14,824 --> 00:26:16,367
and just started gulping it down.
514
00:26:16,451 --> 00:26:18,202
Gulp. Gulp. Gulp. Gulp.
515
00:26:18,286 --> 00:26:24,292
We're not talking pouring it into a glass.
We're talking, like, lunatic style.
516
00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:25,793
He was out of control.
517
00:26:25,877 --> 00:26:28,296
I've been around a lot of celebrities,
518
00:26:28,379 --> 00:26:31,090
and I've seen some of them
act a little crazy.
519
00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:32,717
But nothing like this.
520
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,637
So our next move is, I think
we're gonna get something to eat.
521
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,766
He takes his skateboard.
We go down to the lobby of this hotel,
522
00:26:39,849 --> 00:26:42,810
and the lobby of this hotel, it's fancy.
523
00:26:42,894 --> 00:26:46,022
There's fancy people here. It's
Saturday night on Hollywood Boulevard.
524
00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:48,775
And it's, like, cobblestone.
525
00:26:48,858 --> 00:26:52,195
So he takes his skateboard,
rides across, and he goes,
526
00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:54,280
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
527
00:26:54,364 --> 00:26:56,240
all the way across. We get outside.
528
00:26:56,324 --> 00:26:58,910
Three seconds later,
the security comes out
529
00:26:58,993 --> 00:27:01,079
and says, "He can't come back in."
530
00:27:01,162 --> 00:27:03,831
"You're all out." And I'm thinking,
531
00:27:03,915 --> 00:27:06,501
"They don't even know about him
peeing in front of the building."
532
00:27:06,584 --> 00:27:09,045
They meant business.
"Sir, you are outta here."
533
00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:12,006
And before I know it,
we are out on the sidewalk.
534
00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:18,179
And then he took off running ahead of us
and pulled out a huge knife
535
00:27:18,763 --> 00:27:20,932
and tried to throw it into the ground.
536
00:27:21,891 --> 00:27:24,394
Okay, like, this is a little scary.
537
00:27:24,477 --> 00:27:29,524
At first, we were intrigued by Kai
and finding him and all that stuff,
538
00:27:29,607 --> 00:27:33,194
and… and we were excited
about what we were doing.
539
00:27:33,277 --> 00:27:36,739
And now we're kinda like, "Are we okay?"
540
00:27:38,366 --> 00:27:41,202
[JR] If what they were after,
my production company,
541
00:27:41,285 --> 00:27:44,747
was this carefree,
happy, home-free hitchhiker,
542
00:27:44,831 --> 00:27:49,043
who's looking out for the underdog,
that was not what this guy was projecting.
543
00:27:49,127 --> 00:27:51,546
They kicked me out for skateboarding
in the middle of the thing
544
00:27:51,629 --> 00:27:54,173
- and drinking a bottle of JD.
- [woman] This was-- When was this?
545
00:27:54,257 --> 00:27:56,134
And I peed on the Walk of Fame,
546
00:27:56,217 --> 00:28:00,513
and all these publicity agents
are like, "No! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop!"
547
00:28:00,596 --> 00:28:02,890
I was like… [imitates peeing sound]
548
00:28:02,974 --> 00:28:04,642
I'm kickin' it legit.
549
00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:08,604
[JR] I was texting, "You are not gonna
wanna do a reality show with this guy,"
550
00:28:08,688 --> 00:28:10,440
but I guess from their perspective,
551
00:28:10,523 --> 00:28:13,484
it was more just like,
"How bad can this guy really be?"
552
00:28:13,568 --> 00:28:14,652
"Just get him down here."
553
00:28:14,736 --> 00:28:17,447
"We can talk to him ourselves
and form our own opinion."
554
00:28:20,616 --> 00:28:22,994
I don't know why
I took it upon myself to think,
555
00:28:23,077 --> 00:28:25,496
"I'm responsible for him.
I'm his babysitter,
556
00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:27,999
and I need to make sure
that he gets on The Kimmel Show."
557
00:28:28,082 --> 00:28:31,919
Shouldn't it just be his responsibility
or Brad's responsibility?
558
00:28:32,003 --> 00:28:33,838
But all of a sudden, I'm, like, huh,
559
00:28:33,921 --> 00:28:37,508
I don't know
if it's a wild or stupid idea.
560
00:28:37,592 --> 00:28:39,051
I had him stay at my house.
561
00:28:41,262 --> 00:28:42,805
It's just the two of us.
562
00:28:42,889 --> 00:28:44,348
He was polite.
563
00:28:45,266 --> 00:28:46,434
Played the guitar.
564
00:28:46,517 --> 00:28:48,686
[singing]
565
00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:51,773
[Lisa] But there was
something kinda dangerous about him,
566
00:28:51,856 --> 00:28:53,399
now we're starting to think.
567
00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:09,332
Monday, I'm done. Brad can have him,
do what he wants with him.
568
00:29:09,415 --> 00:29:13,711
I'm not even thinking about our TV show,
if we're gonna do anything with it or not.
569
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:18,341
He didn't seem particularly, uh, excited
that he was gonna be on The Kimmel Show.
570
00:29:18,424 --> 00:29:22,512
At least he was not letting on
that he was overly excited about it.
571
00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:28,601
Lisa and her production team
take Kai to the studio.
572
00:29:28,684 --> 00:29:30,770
They pull up and in the back parking lot,
573
00:29:30,853 --> 00:29:33,773
there's this really big
Jimmy Kimmel Live! sign
574
00:29:33,856 --> 00:29:37,151
stretched across this chain-link fence.
They get out of the car.
575
00:29:37,235 --> 00:29:40,738
First thing Kai does, walks up to the sign
and pisses on the sign.
576
00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:43,491
'Course, everyone's like,
"What the fuck are you…" [laughs]
577
00:29:43,574 --> 00:29:46,369
"What are you doing?"
Security guard comes over.
578
00:29:46,452 --> 00:29:48,371
"What are you doing, bro?
You can't do that,"
579
00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:51,207
all this stuff that, yes, of course,
you can't do that, Kai.
580
00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:54,752
You can't do that. They get him,
you know, wrangle him, stop him.
581
00:29:54,836 --> 00:29:57,672
He goes inside. Uh, Jimmy's waiting there.
582
00:29:57,755 --> 00:29:59,882
They take their pictures,
do whatever they gotta do,
583
00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:02,677
and then Jimmy hands Kai an envelope.
584
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,887
Inside, there was, like, $500 in it.
585
00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:08,307
Kai takes it
and gives it to the security guard
586
00:30:08,391 --> 00:30:10,726
and says, "I'm sorry
for pissing on the sign."
587
00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:12,687
I remember just thinking,
"There's no way in hell
588
00:30:12,770 --> 00:30:15,022
he's actually gonna be
on The Jimmy Kimmel Show."
589
00:30:15,106 --> 00:30:18,401
They're gonna see that he's crazy.
They're gonna see that he's unstable.
590
00:30:18,484 --> 00:30:21,779
They're gonna see that he's bad news,
and the idea's gonna be jettisoned,
591
00:30:21,863 --> 00:30:24,949
and there's no way
he's actually gonna be on the show.
592
00:30:25,616 --> 00:30:27,243
So we're in the green room,
593
00:30:27,326 --> 00:30:30,872
and we're 90 minutes away from the show,
594
00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:32,331
and the police show up.
595
00:30:34,125 --> 00:30:37,086
{\an8}Hello.
There's no picture-taking in here, okay?
596
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:39,922
{\an8}Thank you very much.
All right, unless you wanna go…
597
00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:42,216
{\an8}All right, now go on your way.
Thanks a lot.
598
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:45,386
No question, when the police walked in,
I knew who they were there for.
599
00:30:45,469 --> 00:30:47,930
And they came, and they grabbed him,
and they took him.
600
00:30:48,014 --> 00:30:51,267
And I… I've never been more crestfallen.
601
00:31:01,736 --> 00:31:05,364
My name is Jeff Stricker,
and in February 2013,
602
00:31:05,448 --> 00:31:09,285
I was a homicide detective
with the Fresno County Sheriff's Office.
603
00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:11,996
Jett McBride,
who was the driver of the vehicle
604
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:16,292
that smashed into Rayshawn Neely,
the PG&E worker, was in custody,
605
00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:18,544
and Kai was our key witness.
606
00:31:18,628 --> 00:31:21,797
The district attorney investigators
didn't know where Kai was,
607
00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:25,217
but social media
being what it is these days,
608
00:31:25,301 --> 00:31:26,510
{\an8}Jimmy Kimmel tweeted,
609
00:31:26,594 --> 00:31:29,347
"Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker
will be on the show."
610
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:34,018
So they left Fresno
and headed on over to LA to meet with Kai.
611
00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:37,480
Some people weren't disappointed
that the police came and got him.
612
00:31:37,563 --> 00:31:40,316
Some people were like,
"Well, that figures," and--
613
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:41,400
But not me. Not me.
614
00:31:41,484 --> 00:31:45,112
I was wrong about this the whole time.
I was like, "We gotta get him back."
615
00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:48,532
{\an8}[reporter] The Fresno County
District Attorney's Office enlisted
616
00:31:48,616 --> 00:31:51,077
{\an8}the help of the Los Angeles County
Sheriff's Department
617
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,621
{\an8}to track Kai down
at the Jimmy Kimmel studio
618
00:31:53,704 --> 00:31:55,081
{\an8}and take him into custody.
619
00:31:55,164 --> 00:31:57,166
{\an8}The DA's office served him with a subpoena
620
00:31:57,249 --> 00:32:00,628
{\an8}and says it needed to get a statement
about the attempted murder hate crime
621
00:32:00,711 --> 00:32:03,923
{\an8}that started this whole thing
because he is the key witness.
622
00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:07,134
{\an8}We're all sweating bullets, you know,
probably especially Brad.
623
00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:11,722
Kai's social media is
blowing up at this point.
624
00:32:11,806 --> 00:32:14,016
I can't even tell you
how many hits he's getting.
625
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,434
It's, like, millions.
626
00:32:17,728 --> 00:32:20,564
[Brad] Eventually,
about 30 minutes before the show,
627
00:32:20,648 --> 00:32:23,693
the police brought him back.
But here's the thing.
628
00:32:23,776 --> 00:32:25,695
Everything I do,
the lead-up, the build-up,
629
00:32:25,778 --> 00:32:27,488
the calling, getting people to agree,
630
00:32:27,571 --> 00:32:31,283
the only thing I don't have control of
is what everybody sees.
631
00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:34,787
What's on the air. That's the only part
I have no control of, what gets on TV.
632
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:36,455
And that's only what everybody remembers.
633
00:32:37,707 --> 00:32:38,958
{\an8}Jessob's in the front row.
634
00:32:39,542 --> 00:32:41,544
I'm pacing in the green room.
635
00:32:42,628 --> 00:32:45,715
We both know, more than other people know,
636
00:32:46,424 --> 00:32:48,551
how sideways this can go.
637
00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:51,137
I'm about to pick up
a very special hitchhiker.
638
00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:53,639
Ladies and gentlemen,
please say hi to Kai.
639
00:32:53,723 --> 00:32:55,141
Kai, jump in the car.
640
00:33:00,438 --> 00:33:03,399
Kai! Not on the car, in the car.
641
00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:06,485
I don't know if the car can hold
your weight. All right, there we go.
642
00:33:07,445 --> 00:33:09,405
- [Kai] Keep your eye on the road, man.
- [laughing]
643
00:33:09,488 --> 00:33:10,364
Holy [bleep].
644
00:33:10,448 --> 00:33:12,783
Well, welcome, Kai. Welcome.
How are you?
645
00:33:12,867 --> 00:33:15,077
- Excellent. How about yourself?
- I'm doing good.
646
00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:17,913
I had very little confidence
it would go well for him.
647
00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:21,000
But, man, I was rooting for him.
I was rooting for him.
648
00:33:21,083 --> 00:33:23,627
They described you in the video
as "homeless hitchhiker,"
649
00:33:23,711 --> 00:33:25,379
but you don't like the word "homeless."
650
00:33:25,463 --> 00:33:26,714
- Home-free.
- Home-free.
651
00:33:26,797 --> 00:33:29,300
It's the land of the free
and the home of the brave.
652
00:33:29,383 --> 00:33:31,761
You don't want to have a home, correct?
653
00:33:31,844 --> 00:33:34,138
What the hell are you talking about?
I am home.
654
00:33:34,221 --> 00:33:36,390
- [laughs] Yeah, I see.
- [bleep]
655
00:33:36,474 --> 00:33:39,018
So anywhere you are is your home.
That's your philosophy.
656
00:33:39,101 --> 00:33:41,604
Jimmy handled it so well
'cause Kai had, you know,
657
00:33:41,687 --> 00:33:44,398
in typical Kai fashion,
he had some very bizarre answers
658
00:33:44,482 --> 00:33:48,110
and said some very bizarre things,
but Jimmy just rolled with it.
659
00:33:48,194 --> 00:33:51,280
A lot of people are calling you a hero
because you did.
660
00:33:51,363 --> 00:33:54,450
You thwarted that crazy guy, right?
661
00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:58,704
There's not so much difference between him
and who they sell as Jesus anyways.
662
00:33:58,788 --> 00:34:01,540
Well, I don't know. I haven't met him.
663
00:34:01,624 --> 00:34:02,833
Did he have a beard?
664
00:34:03,793 --> 00:34:05,002
- No.
- [laughs]
665
00:34:05,086 --> 00:34:07,963
No, no, he was…
he was a fat, rich, white guy.
666
00:34:08,047 --> 00:34:12,259
Now, um, you, uh…
Obviously, millions of people have seen--
667
00:34:12,343 --> 00:34:14,637
Nothing against fat, rich people.
668
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,722
No, fat, white people, yeah.
669
00:34:16,806 --> 00:34:19,183
Yeah, you're sitting next to one. Um…
670
00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:23,312
It's great by Jimmy. I've seen him
do this hundreds, hundreds of times,
671
00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:27,191
where the… That is an example
of Kai trying to be funny,
672
00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:29,068
and Jimmy knowing how to stop it,
673
00:34:29,151 --> 00:34:32,446
say something self-deprecating
and move on to the next point.
674
00:34:32,947 --> 00:34:33,948
God, he's good.
675
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:35,991
Let's step outside the car for one second,
676
00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:39,370
because I don't know if you're gonna
give this away immediately,
677
00:34:39,453 --> 00:34:41,038
but we have something for you.
678
00:34:46,252 --> 00:34:49,797
There you go.
A Mini Mal surfboard and a wetsuit.
679
00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:54,635
Do with it as you will. If you choose
to give it away, then so be it.
680
00:34:54,718 --> 00:34:58,639
[laughing] I can't tell you
how many people got a hold of me
681
00:34:59,473 --> 00:35:02,393
trying to get him
a surfboard and a wetsuit
682
00:35:02,476 --> 00:35:04,812
and all those things he wanted.
Just from that line,
683
00:35:04,895 --> 00:35:07,898
he had hundreds and hundreds of offers.
Shit, Jimmy Kimmel gave it to him.
684
00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:09,733
You all right, Kai?
685
00:35:09,817 --> 00:35:11,652
- [cheering and applause]
- [Jimmy laughs]
686
00:35:11,735 --> 00:35:14,655
All right. Kai the Hitchhiker, everybody.
687
00:35:14,738 --> 00:35:15,573
Thanks, Kai.
688
00:35:16,615 --> 00:35:18,617
And thanks for not killing me
with a hatchet.
689
00:35:20,327 --> 00:35:22,955
Hey, everybody,
we got a great show tonight.
690
00:35:23,038 --> 00:35:27,543
Carl Reiner is here.
We'll be right back with Mindy Kaling.
691
00:35:31,255 --> 00:35:34,842
The whole world was open to him
at this point. It really, really was.
692
00:35:35,342 --> 00:35:38,888
So we ask him back the next day
to do, like, movie reviews.
693
00:35:38,971 --> 00:35:42,558
[exhaling rhythmically]
694
00:35:42,641 --> 00:35:44,185
Yeah, okay. Let's watch movies.
695
00:35:44,268 --> 00:35:46,562
{\an8}[Brad] The next day,
we saw a different side of Kai.
696
00:35:46,645 --> 00:35:50,649
He had no possibility
of concentrating on anything.
697
00:35:50,733 --> 00:35:51,859
{\an8}Zero Dark Thirty
698
00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:58,324
{\an8}is about how we're being told
to keep our bodies alkaline
699
00:35:58,407 --> 00:36:01,076
{\an8}and being fed fluoride in the water.
700
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,245
"Kai, just… just… just watch the movie."
701
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:06,040
I think at some point,
we're like, "Just watch the trailer."
702
00:36:06,123 --> 00:36:08,667
It's two minutes and 32 seconds.
He couldn't get through it.
703
00:36:08,751 --> 00:36:11,337
So if they laid a chemtrail
over the side of your house
704
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:12,463
with scopolamine,
705
00:36:12,546 --> 00:36:15,633
and try to get y'all
to act like [bleep] zombies
706
00:36:15,716 --> 00:36:17,927
so they could slay y'all
and take your houses,
707
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:20,763
then that'd be
a good [bleep] way of doing it.
708
00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:24,350
We were barely able to corral him
for those eight minutes on that one night.
709
00:36:24,433 --> 00:36:27,353
Him doing a reality TV show
would never have worked.
710
00:36:27,436 --> 00:36:29,104
Osama bin Laden was a sheikh.
711
00:36:29,188 --> 00:36:32,107
{\an8}He never would've done it.
So he's gonna show up at 3:45
712
00:36:32,191 --> 00:36:35,569
at some doughnut shop
and fake some scene that they wrote?
713
00:36:36,195 --> 00:36:38,822
There's no chance.
There's no chance he's doing that.
714
00:36:38,906 --> 00:36:40,699
I mean, no chance.
715
00:36:41,367 --> 00:36:43,994
What a bizarre thing.
That would've never worked.
716
00:36:47,164 --> 00:36:51,001
After Kimmel, Jimmy promised him
he would take him wherever he'd wanna go.
717
00:36:51,085 --> 00:36:54,338
He said he wanted to go back north
and Jimmy lived up to his word.
718
00:36:54,421 --> 00:36:57,174
♪ Got my temperature rising ♪
719
00:36:58,968 --> 00:37:01,679
{\an8}♪ Yeah, they turning up the heat ♪
720
00:37:02,805 --> 00:37:06,558
{\an8}From being in a world
where nobody is listening to you,
721
00:37:06,642 --> 00:37:11,355
now he's in this echo chamber
of everything he says,
722
00:37:11,438 --> 00:37:14,775
there's at least a thousand people saying,
"That's a great idea."
723
00:37:14,858 --> 00:37:16,318
{\an8}[woman] I wanna hand hug with you.
724
00:37:16,402 --> 00:37:17,653
{\an8}- Hand hug?
- [woman] Hand hug.
725
00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:19,154
{\an8}- Thank you so much.
- You're welcome.
726
00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:22,408
{\an8}[man] This notoriety you've developed,
is this helping you with women?
727
00:37:22,491 --> 00:37:24,368
Are you dating these days?
728
00:37:24,451 --> 00:37:25,327
[Kai] Am I dating?
729
00:37:25,411 --> 00:37:27,913
[man] Are women coming up to you
in a way they haven't before?
730
00:37:27,997 --> 00:37:32,001
[Kai] Uh, yeah, this one girl
was trying to see if it was me,
731
00:37:32,084 --> 00:37:33,919
and she walked into a stop sign
the other day.
732
00:37:34,003 --> 00:37:35,629
She was kinda mortified.
733
00:37:35,713 --> 00:37:38,424
I gave her a big hug,
and she was like, "You are Kai!"
734
00:37:38,507 --> 00:37:42,011
He was not hard to keep track of
because he was living the dream.
735
00:37:42,094 --> 00:37:46,140
He was pretty damn famous. He'd pop up
on different videos of surfing.
736
00:37:46,223 --> 00:37:47,599
Let's go catch a wave.
737
00:37:47,683 --> 00:37:50,894
People wanted him to come perform,
playing gigs. At one point,
738
00:37:50,978 --> 00:37:54,315
one of Justin Bieber's people called
and asked about him.
739
00:37:54,398 --> 00:37:57,234
It takes one little collab
with Justin Bieber
740
00:37:57,318 --> 00:37:58,569
to make a career, I'm sure.
741
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:03,407
[Brad] People were happy to see him
at that point.
742
00:38:04,867 --> 00:38:08,871
If he rolled into your town and he
just posted, "Went to the local library"
743
00:38:08,954 --> 00:38:13,417
and it's on Facebook
and you were 17 to 23 years old,
744
00:38:14,126 --> 00:38:16,086
you're like,
"I'll come pick you up. Why not?"
745
00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:19,048
You just saw him save somebody.
You just saw him on TV.
746
00:38:19,923 --> 00:38:24,720
There wasn't anything about him at that
point that would caution you against it.
747
00:38:25,721 --> 00:38:28,807
[reporter]
This made Kai an Internet sensation.
748
00:38:28,891 --> 00:38:30,309
He became a huge hit.
749
00:38:30,392 --> 00:38:32,728
- Or you should say "a huge smash."
- Oh yeah!
750
00:38:33,687 --> 00:38:35,689
[harmonica music playing]
751
00:38:44,406 --> 00:38:48,285
So here's the car that Jett McBride
and Kai were traveling in
752
00:38:48,369 --> 00:38:49,953
on the day of the incident.
753
00:38:50,621 --> 00:38:51,955
There's still blood on it.
754
00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:55,709
Surprised that anyone
would even survive this.
755
00:38:57,753 --> 00:39:00,714
I didn't really keep track
of where Kai was going,
756
00:39:00,798 --> 00:39:04,218
what he was doing,
all the attention he was getting,
757
00:39:04,301 --> 00:39:05,677
the talk shows.
758
00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:08,847
I didn't care. I just wanted to make sure
that he was back
759
00:39:08,931 --> 00:39:11,642
for the pretrial hearing for Jett McBride.
760
00:39:11,725 --> 00:39:13,477
Kai was our key witness.
761
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,897
He was in the car when they crashed
and injured Rayshawn Neely.
762
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:20,734
He knows what they were talking about.
He had all the information.
763
00:39:20,818 --> 00:39:23,153
You couldn't ask for a better witness
being in that spot.
764
00:39:23,237 --> 00:39:25,114
- Hey, Tanya.
- [Tanya chuckles]
765
00:39:25,197 --> 00:39:26,824
Hey, peeps, how's it going?
766
00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:31,912
In court, details started to emerge.
767
00:39:31,995 --> 00:39:35,082
The picture started to come into focus.
768
00:39:35,582 --> 00:39:38,168
[reporter] Tanya Baker testified
that McBride attacked her
769
00:39:38,252 --> 00:39:40,170
while she tried to rescue Neely.
770
00:39:40,254 --> 00:39:43,465
He put me into a bear hug
and was hitting me on the back.
771
00:39:43,549 --> 00:39:46,051
[reporter]
Then Kai stepped in with his hatchet,
772
00:39:46,135 --> 00:39:50,848
hitting McBride over the head
not once, not twice, but three times.
773
00:39:51,515 --> 00:39:53,767
[Alex] Knowing who Kai was,
774
00:39:53,851 --> 00:39:56,687
part of me wondered
what actually happened that day in Fresno.
775
00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:58,981
Was that actually him saving the day?
776
00:39:59,064 --> 00:40:02,067
Was this him being the hero or not?
777
00:40:02,151 --> 00:40:04,528
With no hatchet in hand this time,
778
00:40:04,611 --> 00:40:06,780
the man known as Kai took the stand,
779
00:40:06,864 --> 00:40:09,616
not before causing
a few observers to chuckle.
780
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:15,372
Just a moment. Listen to the clerk
as she states the oath to you
781
00:40:15,456 --> 00:40:18,917
so that you can respond to it.
You only need one hand up, the right hand.
782
00:40:19,001 --> 00:40:23,630
Kai was asked
if he rolled a joint with Jett McBride.
783
00:40:23,714 --> 00:40:27,468
Kai said he did,
and in my interview with Jett,
784
00:40:27,551 --> 00:40:30,220
he was suggesting
that Kai made the assumption
785
00:40:30,304 --> 00:40:33,724
that they were both ghosts
after they were smoking their marijuana,
786
00:40:33,807 --> 00:40:37,352
and Kai said, "I bet we could drive
right through that truck right now
787
00:40:37,436 --> 00:40:39,271
and nobody would even see us."
788
00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:43,609
He's not perfectly clean in this incident.
He's been made out to be a hero.
789
00:40:43,692 --> 00:40:47,905
Um, what he did to stop him
from attacking Tanya is commendable,
790
00:40:47,988 --> 00:40:52,117
but he does have some culpability in this.
791
00:40:52,201 --> 00:40:54,578
[reporter] Kai then testified
that just before the crash,
792
00:40:54,661 --> 00:40:58,248
McBride proudly told him
about raping a 14-year-old girl.
793
00:40:58,332 --> 00:41:01,585
He's like, "Well, I've come to realize
I'm Jesus Christ,
794
00:41:01,668 --> 00:41:03,670
and I get away with anything I want to.
Watch this."
795
00:41:03,754 --> 00:41:09,843
And I look up, and there's a whole crew
of construction people in front of me.
796
00:41:09,927 --> 00:41:13,055
Most of them jumped aside.
One dude got pinned underneath.
797
00:41:13,138 --> 00:41:17,184
Kai says McBride then turned on
several people who tried to help.
798
00:41:17,267 --> 00:41:20,187
He's still holding onto her,
so I smashed him again.
799
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:24,274
And he's still holding onto her hair.
I was like [bleep].
800
00:41:24,358 --> 00:41:26,568
I smashed him real good and hard.
801
00:41:26,652 --> 00:41:29,029
Initially, when Kai was hitting him,
802
00:41:29,112 --> 00:41:31,782
he was using the dull part,
the back of the hatchet.
803
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:36,453
And a third strike, he turned it around
and used the sharp edge of it.
804
00:41:37,287 --> 00:41:39,748
[Brad] Hitting someone in the head
with a hatchet three times,
805
00:41:39,831 --> 00:41:41,375
blunt side or not,
806
00:41:41,458 --> 00:41:42,417
is violent.
807
00:41:42,501 --> 00:41:44,628
And yet because of his demeanor,
808
00:41:45,212 --> 00:41:47,381
for me, it got clouded.
809
00:41:48,048 --> 00:41:51,677
And all I saw was the kind Kai.
810
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,305
The violent Kai,
who showed himself to me right there,
811
00:41:56,431 --> 00:41:57,516
I didn't see it.
812
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,685
In the original interview,
when I first talked to him,
813
00:41:59,768 --> 00:42:03,939
I asked him at one point, "Have you ever
been a part of something like this?"
814
00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:06,525
Well, this one time, I was in an orchard,
815
00:42:06,608 --> 00:42:10,404
and this fucking guy starts beating
on this woman who he calls "his."
816
00:42:10,487 --> 00:42:13,448
So I walked on over,
and I started smashing him in the head.
817
00:42:13,532 --> 00:42:16,785
You see all these teeth marks right here,
for the camera?
818
00:42:16,868 --> 00:42:20,539
Yeah, I started smashing him in the head
and the teeth, busted out all his teeth.
819
00:42:20,622 --> 00:42:23,750
Yeah, he saved a woman.
At the same time, it's a little extreme,
820
00:42:23,834 --> 00:42:26,837
bragging about your knuckles
still being scarred
821
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,507
and not just stopping the assault,
but beating the dude, you know?
822
00:42:30,591 --> 00:42:34,261
It's the same thing when I asked him
about hitting the driver with the hatchet.
823
00:42:34,344 --> 00:42:35,846
It's like, "Yeah, I cleaved him."
824
00:42:35,929 --> 00:42:38,890
He was like,
"Yes, I'm proud of it, and it felt good."
825
00:42:38,974 --> 00:42:42,894
It was almost kind of a relief to him,
and that's a scary thought.
826
00:42:50,068 --> 00:42:52,988
[Jessob] What are you planning on doing
now that the attention is on you?
827
00:42:53,071 --> 00:42:57,200
Because these things do have a shelf life.
It's gonna start to fade away.
828
00:42:57,284 --> 00:42:59,995
{\an8}[Kai] This badass mother[bleep]
doesn't come with a shelf life.
829
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:03,915
I don't fit on a shelf. Yeah, yeah,
I don't fit inside time limits either.
830
00:43:03,999 --> 00:43:06,918
People are actually
interested in not just the fact
831
00:43:07,002 --> 00:43:11,465
{\an8}that I smashed a dude with a hatchet
who was trying to mass murder some people,
832
00:43:11,548 --> 00:43:14,551
but also in that I play some legit music.
833
00:43:14,635 --> 00:43:16,887
I play punk. I play grind.
834
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:20,641
I play, like, serious metal. I can play,
like, six different instruments.
835
00:43:21,683 --> 00:43:25,812
There's been recording offers for me
from places like Greenhouse Records
836
00:43:25,896 --> 00:43:27,898
and, uh, Universal.
837
00:43:32,653 --> 00:43:34,154
{\an8}My name is Gabriel Francisco.
838
00:43:34,237 --> 00:43:36,865
{\an8}I'm the lead singer
of a band called the Redcoats.
839
00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:38,241
♪ Hello ♪
840
00:43:38,742 --> 00:43:40,243
♪ Who are you? ♪
841
00:43:40,327 --> 00:43:43,705
♪ Where am I
And where you going to? ♪
842
00:43:43,789 --> 00:43:46,083
♪ I said hello… ♪
843
00:43:46,166 --> 00:43:48,418
[Gabriel] I was asked,
"Do you wanna do a show with Kai?"
844
00:43:48,502 --> 00:43:52,130
I thought,
"Like Kai Kai? Like, the hatchet guy?"
845
00:43:52,214 --> 00:43:55,008
I thought, "This guy is ridiculous."
[chuckles]
846
00:43:55,092 --> 00:43:57,552
{\an8}But then I saw a video of him
playing the acoustic guitar…
847
00:44:04,768 --> 00:44:06,144
{\an8}and I thought, "It's not bad."
848
00:44:06,228 --> 00:44:08,480
{\an8}♪ I've never seen
A beauty like you before ♪
849
00:44:08,563 --> 00:44:10,440
{\an8}♪ Breathless kisses through the door… ♪
850
00:44:10,524 --> 00:44:15,445
He has a nice voice and just sounds like
a campfire guy with an acoustic guitar.
851
00:44:15,529 --> 00:44:19,074
We said yes because we wanted Kai's crowd.
[chuckles]
852
00:44:19,157 --> 00:44:21,326
We wanted who was gonna come out
to see Kai,
853
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:24,204
and then we wanted to kill it
and win them over.
854
00:44:24,287 --> 00:44:26,289
I mean, that's what you do.
It's like Rock Band.
855
00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:29,126
"You made 20 fans tonight."
"You made 50 fans."
856
00:44:30,627 --> 00:44:35,090
[man] Kai came in to Fresno
like a big ball of fire.
857
00:44:35,173 --> 00:44:37,592
He comes in for soundcheck,
858
00:44:37,676 --> 00:44:42,639
{\an8}and I feel I'm a good judge of character.
I just was put off by him pretty quickly
859
00:44:42,723 --> 00:44:46,810
just the way he talked,
interacted, and treated my staff.
860
00:44:48,061 --> 00:44:51,648
He'd walk up to the bar
almost demanding, like, a free beer
861
00:44:51,732 --> 00:44:55,736
because of who he was, and it's like,
"Yeah, you know, we don't do that here."
862
00:44:55,819 --> 00:44:59,114
But then he would go out and get somebody
to buy his drinks for him.
863
00:45:00,449 --> 00:45:03,827
[Gabriel] We do soundcheck,
and he was talking about that day,
864
00:45:04,453 --> 00:45:07,080
the day that he hit the man
on the head with a hatchet.
865
00:45:07,164 --> 00:45:09,291
And in Kai's words, he's bragging,
866
00:45:09,374 --> 00:45:11,501
he says, "Oh man, you know,
this guy picks me up,
867
00:45:11,585 --> 00:45:14,880
and I offer him a joint,
and he can't even handle his shit, man,
868
00:45:14,963 --> 00:45:16,798
because, like, I hand him a joint,
869
00:45:16,882 --> 00:45:20,677
but what he didn't know was
it was laced, man. And it was…"
870
00:45:20,761 --> 00:45:23,263
He starts listing drugs.
I don't know what they are.
871
00:45:23,346 --> 00:45:29,186
But what Kai explicitly told me
was that he handed this man a laced joint,
872
00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:31,313
and then Kai proceeds to tell me,
873
00:45:31,396 --> 00:45:35,233
"Then he starts flipping out over nothing
'cause he can't handle his shit,"
874
00:45:35,317 --> 00:45:36,526
and he's laughing.
875
00:45:36,610 --> 00:45:39,613
And I'm horrified,
and he's telling a group of people,
876
00:45:39,696 --> 00:45:43,408
and they're all laughing.
No one's listening to what he's saying,
877
00:45:43,492 --> 00:45:45,952
and I'm standing there,
and I'm thinking, "Oh my God."
878
00:45:46,578 --> 00:45:48,830
"Kai just confessed something huge."
879
00:45:48,914 --> 00:45:50,373
"He drugged this guy?"
880
00:45:51,166 --> 00:45:52,834
That's like starting a fire,
881
00:45:52,918 --> 00:45:56,046
and then putting the fire out
and being called a hero.
882
00:46:00,634 --> 00:46:03,386
So I understand that
the police have tested the marijuana
883
00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:06,014
and they did toxicology on the driver.
884
00:46:06,556 --> 00:46:08,058
But, honestly, if you think about this,
885
00:46:08,141 --> 00:46:11,394
what if there's something
that just didn't show up on the test?
886
00:46:14,314 --> 00:46:19,611
And then he was talking about life
and having a positive attitude.
887
00:46:19,694 --> 00:46:22,197
"You just gotta go through, man,"
and it's very hippie,
888
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,824
and then, out of nowhere, he said,
889
00:46:23,907 --> 00:46:26,535
"Unless some old man fucks you in the ass,
890
00:46:26,618 --> 00:46:29,663
and you have to keep it real
and take him out."
891
00:46:29,746 --> 00:46:31,373
And it was so bizarre.
892
00:46:32,374 --> 00:46:35,669
And then he, like a switch, went back to,
893
00:46:36,837 --> 00:46:39,840
"Everything's fine,"
and everybody kinda just accepted that.
894
00:46:39,923 --> 00:46:44,719
And that was another one of those things
where I thought, "What just happened?"
895
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:47,347
And I went inside,
and I was kind of shaken
896
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:50,225
and going, "I have to play this show now
with this knowledge,"
897
00:46:50,308 --> 00:46:52,269
and our drummer's mom,
who's a photographer,
898
00:46:52,352 --> 00:46:55,856
says, "Gabe, get next to Kai.
Come take a picture."
899
00:46:55,939 --> 00:46:58,108
And I thought, "Oh my God."
900
00:46:58,191 --> 00:47:01,570
"I don't wanna be seen with this man
when all of this comes out,"
901
00:47:01,653 --> 00:47:04,447
'cause I was thinking,
"This is gonna come out."
902
00:47:04,531 --> 00:47:05,991
"This is gonna be huge."
903
00:47:06,616 --> 00:47:07,617
And it never did.
904
00:47:07,701 --> 00:47:10,453
♪ Step it up
You gotta jump away first ♪
905
00:47:10,537 --> 00:47:13,331
[Gabriel] I honestly don't even remember
staying for Kai's show.
906
00:47:13,415 --> 00:47:16,918
I was kinda shaken up that night
by how he behaved.
907
00:47:17,002 --> 00:47:20,297
♪ If you wake up dead
Bullets in your head ♪
908
00:47:20,380 --> 00:47:23,133
♪ I'm killing you, one by fucking one ♪
909
00:47:23,216 --> 00:47:26,261
♪ Not regretting a thing
Of what I've done ♪
910
00:47:26,344 --> 00:47:28,972
[Tony] I ended up kicking him out
after his performance
911
00:47:29,055 --> 00:47:31,725
for urinating on one of our bushes.
912
00:47:31,808 --> 00:47:35,186
It's like, "Yeah, you don't come
and disrespect our place like this."
913
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:36,813
He burned bridges.
914
00:47:36,897 --> 00:47:40,275
It's a big city,
but it has a small-town feel.
915
00:47:40,358 --> 00:47:43,361
If you get burned in this town,
word spreads.
916
00:47:43,445 --> 00:47:45,488
My last words were,
"Get the fuck outta here."
917
00:47:47,949 --> 00:47:51,036
When I look at Kai,
I don't know what his headspace is.
918
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,622
I don't know how healthy his headspace is.
919
00:47:56,082 --> 00:48:01,254
But I think that living carefree
and lawlessly for so long,
920
00:48:01,963 --> 00:48:04,132
he didn't have a sense of consequences.
921
00:48:07,302 --> 00:48:09,429
People gave him a lot of opportunity,
922
00:48:09,512 --> 00:48:11,473
and I think he got in that mindset, like,
923
00:48:11,556 --> 00:48:13,433
"This is Kai's world now," you know?
924
00:48:13,516 --> 00:48:15,685
Because there was
a lot of people filling his head
925
00:48:15,769 --> 00:48:19,481
with things he can do and get away with,
and maybe that backfired a little bit.
926
00:48:20,065 --> 00:48:21,107
[man] So I'm sure you know
927
00:48:21,191 --> 00:48:23,693
{\an8}who Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker
is by now.
928
00:48:23,777 --> 00:48:25,403
{\an8}He is all over YouTube.
929
00:48:25,487 --> 00:48:28,448
He's everybody's favorite hero right now,
but, uh, I actually met him.
930
00:48:30,283 --> 00:48:31,701
Are you his agent?
931
00:48:31,785 --> 00:48:35,163
Am I his agent? No, I don't have,
nor am I had by anybody.
932
00:48:36,206 --> 00:48:38,708
But no matter what you've done,
you deserve respect.
933
00:48:38,792 --> 00:48:41,294
No matter your looks or your skills,
you're worthwhile.
934
00:48:41,378 --> 00:48:42,545
No, this is for everyone.
935
00:48:42,629 --> 00:48:46,049
{\an8}And it doesn't matter,
like, if you make mistakes,
936
00:48:46,132 --> 00:48:48,760
{\an8}you're still lovable.
There's four different types of love.
937
00:48:48,843 --> 00:48:51,805
{\an8}There's putting up with somebody.
There's liking somebody.
938
00:48:52,305 --> 00:48:55,183
{\an8}There's, then, like,
romantically liking somebody,
939
00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:59,312
{\an8}and there's, like, actually be willing
to kill somebody else for somebody.
940
00:48:59,396 --> 00:49:00,939
{\an8}Like, sacrificial love.
941
00:49:02,357 --> 00:49:06,236
{\an8}[Jessob]
The Kimmel Show was 100% the peak.
942
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:09,197
{\an8}The viral fame started,
and it just snowballed and snowballed,
943
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,907
{\an8}so the fame was growing.
It was more fun.
944
00:49:10,991 --> 00:49:13,785
{\an8}More things were happening for Kai,
and things were getting more amazing.
945
00:49:13,868 --> 00:49:17,622
Then all of a sudden, Jimmy Kimmel's here,
'cause it was the best, and then…
946
00:49:19,457 --> 00:49:20,667
slowly just came down and…
947
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,715
[Brad] For most people, what they know
of him is something maybe we wanna be.
948
00:49:27,215 --> 00:49:30,844
Maybe many of us don't want
the responsibilities we have,
949
00:49:30,927 --> 00:49:33,888
the bills and the cars
and the insurance and the property taxes,
950
00:49:33,972 --> 00:49:37,267
and this guy was living that life
without those responsibilities,
951
00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:39,102
and it was going well.
952
00:49:39,853 --> 00:49:41,646
And then… then it didn't.
953
00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:43,273
It's a much more sad existence
954
00:49:43,356 --> 00:49:47,944
than maybe the exhilarating
or free experience people think.
955
00:50:00,123 --> 00:50:01,833
[siren blares]
956
00:50:04,294 --> 00:50:06,838
Friday, May 10th, 2013,
957
00:50:06,921 --> 00:50:09,591
a little over three months
after, uh, the incident
958
00:50:09,674 --> 00:50:12,052
that started
this whole incredible journey,
959
00:50:12,135 --> 00:50:14,429
he shows up in New York City
960
00:50:14,512 --> 00:50:20,518
and posted this disturbing
and, um, ominous Facebook post.
961
00:50:20,602 --> 00:50:23,646
He talked about this being
his Mother's Day message,
962
00:50:23,730 --> 00:50:26,566
and it's not what you would expect
from a Mother's Day message.
963
00:50:26,649 --> 00:50:27,484
It reads,
964
00:50:28,026 --> 00:50:32,280
"First memories I was in a crib
and 'family' was fussin over me."
965
00:50:32,363 --> 00:50:35,825
"But I kept getting told
that 'I had a demon.'"
966
00:50:36,951 --> 00:50:39,329
"I would get locked in a room
for 20 hours a day
967
00:50:39,412 --> 00:50:42,332
with a little porta potty camp toilet
in the corner of the room."
968
00:50:43,333 --> 00:50:45,960
"Then after that my mouth
filled with hot pepper and soap
969
00:50:46,044 --> 00:50:48,379
for yelling fuck you
at the top of my lungs."
970
00:50:48,463 --> 00:50:51,007
Signing off, "happy Mother's Day."
971
00:50:51,508 --> 00:50:52,383
Huh.
972
00:50:53,009 --> 00:50:55,929
And, of course, you know,
I remember when I met him
973
00:50:56,012 --> 00:50:58,640
for the first time
after the original incident in Stockton,
974
00:50:58,723 --> 00:51:00,850
and we sat down
for that lengthy interview,
975
00:51:00,934 --> 00:51:02,977
he definitely disclosed
976
00:51:03,061 --> 00:51:06,981
some really, really terrible things
that happened to him.
977
00:51:07,065 --> 00:51:11,111
And, you know, obviously in the medium
I was working in, local news,
978
00:51:11,194 --> 00:51:13,404
you can't put a lot of that stuff on TV.
979
00:51:13,488 --> 00:51:15,448
I just turned 17 on the road.
980
00:51:15,532 --> 00:51:18,618
{\an8}There was this guy, and he held me down,
981
00:51:18,701 --> 00:51:22,539
and then he, like, hit me a couple times,
and he started choking me.
982
00:51:22,622 --> 00:51:28,086
Uh, he turned me over and he pulled
my pants down and started raping me.
983
00:51:28,169 --> 00:51:30,630
As this was happening
and Kai was laying on the ground,
984
00:51:30,713 --> 00:51:33,550
that's when he said, you know,
he looked up to the sky
985
00:51:33,633 --> 00:51:37,512
and, uh, saw this crow
fly over in that moment
986
00:51:37,595 --> 00:51:40,849
and told him,
"Get up, fight for yourself, and run."
987
00:51:40,932 --> 00:51:43,977
And that's what he did,
and he got away from the guy.
988
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:48,148
Um, and, you know, I don't know
if he saw that guy again
989
00:51:48,231 --> 00:51:50,233
or if that guy ever got in trouble for it,
990
00:51:50,316 --> 00:51:54,070
but, um, you know, a lot of it
seems hard to believe,
991
00:51:54,154 --> 00:51:57,115
but, you know, I'm in no place
to tell him it didn't happen.
992
00:51:57,615 --> 00:52:00,577
So all I'm left to believe
is that it happened.
993
00:52:00,660 --> 00:52:02,287
Tell me more.
994
00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:05,415
Oh, bro. Okay, you want me
to start from when I was a kid?
995
00:52:05,498 --> 00:52:07,667
I was locked in a cage
for fucking four years
996
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:09,169
and treated like an animal.
997
00:52:09,252 --> 00:52:12,755
Uh, they installed a lock on the door
that went from the outside in
998
00:52:12,839 --> 00:52:16,634
so that they could sit
and watch TV and fuck and shit.
999
00:52:17,218 --> 00:52:19,053
You get kinda jaded with interviews,
1000
00:52:19,137 --> 00:52:24,517
and you kinda have, like, a truth meter
on if what they're saying is accurate,
1001
00:52:24,601 --> 00:52:28,563
and I didn't know if it was 100% true.
1002
00:52:29,772 --> 00:52:33,526
But even if, like,
50% of what he was saying was true,
1003
00:52:33,610 --> 00:52:35,987
he had a horrible, horrible childhood.
1004
00:52:49,751 --> 00:52:53,671
My name's Jeremy McGillivary Wolfe,
and I'm Kai's first cousin.
1005
00:52:54,297 --> 00:52:56,132
He was my brother, basically.
1006
00:52:57,258 --> 00:53:02,305
{\an8}Seeing him on Kimmel and that,
just wow. This guy's going viral big-time,
1007
00:53:02,388 --> 00:53:05,225
{\an8}and I was in shock, like, the whole time.
1008
00:53:05,308 --> 00:53:08,228
I'm still in shock to this day,
to tell you the truth.
1009
00:53:08,770 --> 00:53:12,565
This was someone I grew up with
giving this outrageous interview.
1010
00:53:13,233 --> 00:53:18,154
But I never knew him as Kai, not once.
I just knew him as Caleb.
1011
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,200
I heard Kai for the first time
during the YouTube video.
1012
00:53:22,283 --> 00:53:23,743
I don't have any family.
1013
00:53:24,577 --> 00:53:29,207
Like, as far as anybody I grew up with
is concerned, I'm already dead.
1014
00:53:29,290 --> 00:53:30,875
So, whatever.
1015
00:53:31,876 --> 00:53:36,965
I felt bad after he said that,
and, like, we care about you, you know?
1016
00:53:37,048 --> 00:53:40,093
You shouldn't feel that way.
We always did.
1017
00:53:40,176 --> 00:53:43,930
Like, no matter if we have an argument,
the love doesn't stop there.
1018
00:53:47,558 --> 00:53:50,353
Caleb's parents had split up
when he was four.
1019
00:53:51,354 --> 00:53:52,855
Growing up, he was loud.
1020
00:53:52,939 --> 00:53:54,732
He was funny and mischievous.
1021
00:53:55,233 --> 00:53:56,317
Very mischievous.
1022
00:53:57,694 --> 00:53:59,862
I was able to act like a boy,
1023
00:53:59,946 --> 00:54:02,865
and I was able to go outside and play.
1024
00:54:02,949 --> 00:54:04,951
Caleb wasn't given that privilege.
1025
00:54:05,034 --> 00:54:07,036
He was kept at home.
1026
00:54:07,912 --> 00:54:10,873
His mom locked him in a room
for quite some time,
1027
00:54:11,374 --> 00:54:14,085
and when…
She tried to lock me in a room as well.
1028
00:54:14,168 --> 00:54:16,587
We had just finished supper.
It was summertime,
1029
00:54:16,671 --> 00:54:18,589
and the window was open,
1030
00:54:18,673 --> 00:54:21,050
so you could hear
kids still playing outside.
1031
00:54:21,134 --> 00:54:23,094
But there was dark blankets on the window,
1032
00:54:23,177 --> 00:54:26,180
so it was completely blacked out
to make it look like it was night.
1033
00:54:26,264 --> 00:54:28,349
So we knew he had it difficult.
1034
00:54:29,475 --> 00:54:32,186
This one time,
he tried to start a fire in his house,
1035
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:36,983
and then, not long after, his mom decided
that she couldn't cope with him anymore.
1036
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:40,570
He was 13 when he went to Bosco Homes,
1037
00:54:40,653 --> 00:54:43,573
which is a place
where they take troubled teens, I guess,
1038
00:54:43,656 --> 00:54:47,618
that, um, got in trouble in their youth
and had no home
1039
00:54:48,202 --> 00:54:50,997
or just come from families
that didn't want them, I guess.
1040
00:54:51,748 --> 00:54:53,541
Um, if you're still watching this,
1041
00:54:53,624 --> 00:54:56,085
that means that you obviously
like what you see,
1042
00:54:56,169 --> 00:54:58,504
so that's very nice and very pretty.
1043
00:54:59,339 --> 00:55:01,841
You may notice
that my eyes seem very dark.
1044
00:55:02,717 --> 00:55:05,511
In fact, maybe the whole picture
seems dark right now.
1045
00:55:06,804 --> 00:55:10,058
Something I think Madame Guyon called
"the dark night of the soul."
1046
00:55:10,141 --> 00:55:12,018
[Jeremy]
The littlest thing would trigger him.
1047
00:55:12,101 --> 00:55:14,771
Caleb didn't realize
whether you were laughing with him
1048
00:55:14,854 --> 00:55:16,606
or you were laughing at him,
1049
00:55:16,689 --> 00:55:21,069
and he would get so angry if he thought
you were teasing him or making fun of him.
1050
00:55:21,152 --> 00:55:23,488
He would go into these little rages,
1051
00:55:23,571 --> 00:55:25,114
and then snap outta them.
1052
00:55:30,286 --> 00:55:32,080
♪ When I was four ♪
1053
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:34,540
♪ I had a lighter ♪
1054
00:55:35,625 --> 00:55:40,254
♪ Tried to burn my parent's house
Right to the ground… ♪
1055
00:55:40,338 --> 00:55:44,092
I honestly believe
Caleb has, like, mental… mental issues
1056
00:55:44,175 --> 00:55:46,969
because he seems well,
1057
00:55:47,053 --> 00:55:50,139
but when it comes to
a certain situation of pressure,
1058
00:55:50,223 --> 00:55:53,267
you either become a diamond
or you get crushed.
1059
00:55:53,351 --> 00:55:57,021
And in this case, Caleb gets crushed.
1060
00:55:57,105 --> 00:55:58,272
♪ I mean, it's like ♪
1061
00:55:58,356 --> 00:55:59,190
[chuckles]
1062
00:55:59,273 --> 00:56:01,401
♪ We all wild and feral inside ♪
1063
00:56:01,484 --> 00:56:03,486
♪ Ain't nothin'
That you gotta try and hide ♪
1064
00:56:09,534 --> 00:56:11,786
I'm Shirley. I'm Caleb's mother.
1065
00:56:11,869 --> 00:56:15,331
He's also known as Kai,
and I go by the given name
1066
00:56:15,415 --> 00:56:18,459
because of what it means.
Bold and courageous.
1067
00:56:19,127 --> 00:56:20,795
I didn't ever lock him in a room.
1068
00:56:20,878 --> 00:56:22,463
Like, "lock him in a room."
1069
00:56:22,547 --> 00:56:27,260
Um, I had to put, uh,
for a short period of time,
1070
00:56:27,343 --> 00:56:31,889
uh, the ability… stop the ability of him
getting out of the room too early
1071
00:56:31,973 --> 00:56:34,183
because he was a free spirit
1072
00:56:34,267 --> 00:56:38,604
and would get up earlier than I did
and get into stuff that could harm him
1073
00:56:38,688 --> 00:56:42,233
and, being a responsible parent,
needed to not allow that to happen.
1074
00:56:42,316 --> 00:56:44,193
And it was for a short period of time.
1075
00:56:44,277 --> 00:56:48,865
For his best interest and the, you know,
safety, you know, of a little guy.
1076
00:56:49,991 --> 00:56:52,160
Not really understanding what's going on,
1077
00:56:52,243 --> 00:56:57,373
the medical field wondered if he,
you know, had ADHD and things like that.
1078
00:56:57,457 --> 00:57:00,334
But kind of in the end,
1079
00:57:00,418 --> 00:57:03,254
there wasn't actually one diagnosis
that was anything.
1080
00:57:03,337 --> 00:57:06,799
It was kind of their grasp at,
"How do we… How do we help?"
1081
00:57:06,883 --> 00:57:09,051
"How do we do this?
How do we navigate this?"
1082
00:57:09,135 --> 00:57:10,511
And… And time…
1083
00:57:11,387 --> 00:57:12,513
Time did it.
1084
00:57:12,597 --> 00:57:14,682
Smash! Smash!
1085
00:57:14,765 --> 00:57:16,642
- Smash!
- Is that really you?
1086
00:57:16,726 --> 00:57:18,853
- Oh yeah.
- Dude, come here, please. Please.
1087
00:57:18,936 --> 00:57:20,146
Hey, smash!
1088
00:57:20,229 --> 00:57:24,275
Can you buy me a bottle
if you can take 17 pictures of me?
1089
00:57:24,358 --> 00:57:26,819
- This is a video. We'll give you a beer.
- Smash guy!
1090
00:57:26,903 --> 00:57:29,071
- Smash!
- Smash!
1091
00:57:29,155 --> 00:57:30,698
- Smash!
- Oh shit!
1092
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,617
Smash! Smash!
1093
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,328
- Smash!
- Fucking hero right here.
1094
00:57:35,411 --> 00:57:36,996
- Smash!
- [man] Oh!
1095
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:39,290
[indistinct chatter]
1096
00:57:39,373 --> 00:57:42,251
I didn't realize
he had become very famous,
1097
00:57:42,335 --> 00:57:46,255
and there's real, genuine people out there
who wanted to reach out
1098
00:57:46,339 --> 00:57:49,133
and say, "Way to go, buddy,"
and, "Hey, we're here for you."
1099
00:57:49,217 --> 00:57:51,844
And I don't think
that part was necessarily bad.
1100
00:57:51,928 --> 00:57:54,805
Loves people.
Very much an outgoing person.
1101
00:57:55,890 --> 00:57:59,519
But I was a bit concerned
because he's a very trusting person,
1102
00:57:59,602 --> 00:58:01,854
and I know
that not everybody should be trusted.
1103
00:58:01,938 --> 00:58:06,943
"Are you the real Kai? Are you
the real Kai? Is that really you?"
1104
00:58:07,026 --> 00:58:08,486
"Did that really happen?"
1105
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:12,365
And it's, like,
if you was a lot bigger than you are,
1106
00:58:12,448 --> 00:58:14,450
I'd just reach out,
and I'd be like, "Smack!"
1107
00:58:14,534 --> 00:58:15,743
"Does that feel real?"
1108
00:58:15,826 --> 00:58:18,913
Caleb is a person
who's always led with his heart.
1109
00:58:19,705 --> 00:58:21,916
And because of that, he's very trusting.
1110
00:58:22,583 --> 00:58:25,211
I'm not sure
that's always healthy for people,
1111
00:58:25,294 --> 00:58:27,922
and I certainly see
in the situation with my son
1112
00:58:28,005 --> 00:58:31,926
where I'm not sure it was the best, um,
1113
00:58:32,009 --> 00:58:37,098
in that it… I think it put him
in a situation that possibly set him up.
1114
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:38,975
[woman] What do you mean?
1115
00:58:39,475 --> 00:58:41,894
As in that he
was trusting the wrong people.
1116
00:58:53,614 --> 00:58:56,534
[reporter] Concerns this morning
in a New Jersey neighborhood
1117
00:58:56,617 --> 00:58:59,912
{\an8}as police try to solve
the killing of a well-known attorney.
1118
00:58:59,996 --> 00:59:02,873
The 73-year-old victim
was discovered inside his home
1119
00:59:02,957 --> 00:59:05,376
on Starlite Drive in Clark.
1120
00:59:05,459 --> 00:59:09,547
That's where Joseph Galfy lived
for the past 15 years.
1121
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:14,260
Friends knew something was wrong
when Galfy didn't show up for work Monday.
1122
00:59:14,343 --> 00:59:19,890
They called 911, and police found him
inside his home beaten to death.
1123
00:59:23,019 --> 00:59:27,064
I'm Bob Ellenport, friend of Joe Galfy,
my backyard neighbor.
1124
00:59:27,148 --> 00:59:31,444
I received a phone call
from Joe Galfy's secretary,
1125
00:59:31,527 --> 00:59:35,114
and it said
that Joe was scheduled to be in court,
1126
00:59:35,197 --> 00:59:36,824
and he didn't show up,
1127
00:59:36,907 --> 00:59:39,785
and she couldn't reach him
on his, uh, cell phone.
1128
00:59:39,869 --> 00:59:43,414
Could I check and see if anyone was home?
1129
00:59:43,497 --> 00:59:45,916
And so I walked over
1130
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,003
and saw that the Sunday newspaper
1131
00:59:49,086 --> 00:59:52,465
and the Monday newspaper
were still on Joe's front stoop.
1132
00:59:53,966 --> 00:59:56,636
[man] Joseph Galfy's New York Times
was still on the front porch.
1133
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:59,680
That was kind of odd because he was
a guy who stuck to his schedule.
1134
00:59:59,764 --> 01:00:02,266
{\an8}He was, uh, somebody
who picked up his paper every morning.
1135
01:00:02,350 --> 01:00:05,019
{\an8}So the fact that it was there
was concerning enough
1136
01:00:05,102 --> 01:00:06,979
{\an8}to call the police to do a welfare check.
1137
01:00:07,063 --> 01:00:09,231
[man] The home itself,
1138
01:00:09,315 --> 01:00:11,317
everything looked in place,
1139
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,943
nothing ransacked.
1140
01:00:13,027 --> 01:00:17,073
But as they go room to room
and eventually get to the master bedroom
1141
01:00:17,156 --> 01:00:20,660
{\an8}is where they discover
Joe Galfy's lifeless body.
1142
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:27,750
He's on the floor, you know,
just clothed in underwear and socks,
1143
01:00:27,833 --> 01:00:29,377
lying in a pool of blood.
1144
01:00:29,877 --> 01:00:32,254
{\an8}Once you go into a house,
basically any house,
1145
01:00:32,338 --> 01:00:34,215
{\an8}you're looking for signs of a struggle.
1146
01:00:34,298 --> 01:00:37,635
{\an8}Were things out of place?
Were drawers ransacked?
1147
01:00:37,718 --> 01:00:39,345
{\an8}Things toppled over?
1148
01:00:39,845 --> 01:00:41,681
{\an8}But this house didn't have any of that.
1149
01:00:42,181 --> 01:00:45,893
{\an8}This house was very neat, very organized.
There was no forced entry.
1150
01:00:46,602 --> 01:00:49,355
{\an8}But then in the family room,
1151
01:00:49,438 --> 01:00:52,608
{\an8}there's a laptop
on a stand next to a chair,
1152
01:00:53,192 --> 01:00:55,695
{\an8}and under the computer is a phone number
1153
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,155
with the name "Lawrence Kai."
1154
01:00:58,656 --> 01:01:02,535
We didn't know who Kai was
until we googled him.
1155
01:01:03,828 --> 01:01:06,372
{\an8}And up popped a video.
1156
01:01:06,997 --> 01:01:09,417
{\an8}And in the video, he had a hatchet,
1157
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,420
{\an8}and he described
exactly what he was doing,
1158
01:01:12,503 --> 01:01:16,132
{\an8}and I believe it was, "Bam! Bam! Bam!"
1159
01:01:17,007 --> 01:01:18,718
Made you stop and think.
1160
01:01:18,801 --> 01:01:21,303
Could he be responsible
for something like this?
1161
01:01:21,804 --> 01:01:25,933
So as we're scouring the master bedroom
where… where Mr. Galfy's body was found,
1162
01:01:26,016 --> 01:01:29,770
{\an8}one of the detectives
brought to my attention a train ticket,
1163
01:01:29,854 --> 01:01:32,481
{\an8}and the date of the ticket
was the day before.
1164
01:01:32,565 --> 01:01:36,193
Sunday. It was Mother's Day, 9:38 a.m.
1165
01:01:36,277 --> 01:01:39,238
So we sent people to the train station
to see if there's video.
1166
01:01:39,321 --> 01:01:43,451
And we're looking to see
if we could see the deceased Mr. Galfy.
1167
01:01:46,537 --> 01:01:49,623
[Rob]
We don't get video right away oftentimes,
1168
01:01:49,707 --> 01:01:51,208
but in this case, we did.
1169
01:01:53,544 --> 01:01:56,422
And in the video, you could see Mr. Galfy,
1170
01:01:56,505 --> 01:01:59,425
and you can clearly see him
purchase a ticket,
1171
01:01:59,508 --> 01:02:03,429
and he takes the ticket, and he turns,
and he gives it to somebody off-camera.
1172
01:02:10,728 --> 01:02:13,647
And you can see
it's another male, longish hair,
1173
01:02:13,731 --> 01:02:17,943
sorta curly, with a backpack,
and they're waiting for the train to come.
1174
01:02:21,155 --> 01:02:25,993
[Dean] So we have this information
on this Internet phenom,
1175
01:02:26,076 --> 01:02:27,828
Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker,
1176
01:02:27,912 --> 01:02:31,165
as I think they named him
out in California.
1177
01:02:31,248 --> 01:02:34,960
And we're looking at this video
of New Jersey Transit
1178
01:02:35,044 --> 01:02:37,505
and saying to ourselves,
"Is this possible?"
1179
01:02:38,005 --> 01:02:40,299
"Is this the same guy out in California?"
1180
01:02:44,178 --> 01:02:45,888
So a call was made
1181
01:02:45,971 --> 01:02:48,265
to the Fresno, California
police department.
1182
01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:52,144
I talked to this detective
who has a pretty heavy East Coast accent.
1183
01:02:52,228 --> 01:02:54,438
He says, "Hey, we're looking for a guy."
1184
01:02:54,522 --> 01:02:58,108
"Uh, he might be involved in a murder,
but we're not sure at this point."
1185
01:02:58,192 --> 01:03:01,237
"It's some homeless guy.
He was in Fresno a while back,"
1186
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,656
and I say, "Kai? Are you looking for Kai?"
1187
01:03:03,739 --> 01:03:06,200
And he's like,
"Give me all the information you have,"
1188
01:03:06,283 --> 01:03:07,827
so I get him everything I have.
1189
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:11,038
And when we gave him
the name we had, Lawrence Kai,
1190
01:03:11,121 --> 01:03:15,501
they said, "Oh yeah, we know him as Kai,
but his name is Caleb McGillvary."
1191
01:03:16,293 --> 01:03:19,255
He kinda puts the phone away,
and I can hear him yell to the room, like,
1192
01:03:19,338 --> 01:03:21,298
"Hey, we finally found the motherfucker!"
1193
01:03:21,382 --> 01:03:25,302
You know, it was an a-ha moment for us.
It was, "Bingo. I think we have the guy."
1194
01:03:26,512 --> 01:03:29,765
And we learned from them
that this guy's a nomad.
1195
01:03:29,849 --> 01:03:31,475
He lives off the earth.
1196
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:33,978
He lives off the kindness of others.
1197
01:03:34,061 --> 01:03:35,604
He's an opportunist.
1198
01:03:35,688 --> 01:03:39,400
So the chance of him
traveling cross-country
1199
01:03:39,483 --> 01:03:42,194
and being in New York is likely.
1200
01:03:42,278 --> 01:03:47,491
It gave us further confirmation
that this guy, Kai, is our suspect.
1201
01:03:47,575 --> 01:03:49,201
[Rob] So now we had to find Kai
1202
01:03:49,285 --> 01:03:51,704
He had a phone, but that was dead.
1203
01:03:51,787 --> 01:03:54,915
So then it was out to the public.
We released a press statement.
1204
01:03:54,999 --> 01:03:57,793
Breaking news. Minutes ago,
we learned who police are searching for
1205
01:03:57,877 --> 01:03:59,879
in the murder of a lawyer
in Clark, New Jersey.
1206
01:04:00,004 --> 01:04:03,382
Wait until you hear
who they are looking for.
1207
01:04:03,465 --> 01:04:05,342
Caleb Lawrence McGillvary.
1208
01:04:05,426 --> 01:04:11,056
You might also know him
as Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker.
1209
01:04:11,682 --> 01:04:14,518
He should be considered
armed and dangerous.
1210
01:04:14,602 --> 01:04:15,895
They don't know where he is.
1211
01:04:15,978 --> 01:04:19,732
He relies on the generosity of strangers
for food and lodging.
1212
01:04:19,815 --> 01:04:21,942
Remember, he's a hitchhiker.
He could be anywhere.
1213
01:04:22,526 --> 01:04:24,862
Will he try to kill again?
Will he kill again?
1214
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:29,116
The thrill of the hunt is on.
1215
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:35,831
[Jessob] I immediately reached out to him.
1216
01:04:35,915 --> 01:04:38,751
I wanna talk to him and figure out
what the fuck is going on.
1217
01:04:39,251 --> 01:04:43,130
When you find out that the authorities
are, you know, looking for someone
1218
01:04:43,213 --> 01:04:47,009
that you've kind of grown to care about
and you have a nice relationship with,
1219
01:04:47,092 --> 01:04:49,345
now they're looking,
you know, at him for murder,
1220
01:04:49,428 --> 01:04:50,804
I'm a mental mess.
1221
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,642
[Shirley] One of my sons
that lived close to me came to the door.
1222
01:04:54,725 --> 01:04:57,019
I said, "How are you doing?"
He said, "Mom, have you heard?"
1223
01:04:57,519 --> 01:04:58,854
I said, "Have I heard what?"
1224
01:04:58,938 --> 01:05:01,523
He said, "Have you heard
that Caleb's wanted for murder?"
1225
01:05:02,274 --> 01:05:03,442
And I'm like,
1226
01:05:04,526 --> 01:05:07,655
"Nope, haven't heard that.
Crap, what happened?"
1227
01:05:07,738 --> 01:05:11,075
My name is Ted Romankow.
I'm the Union County prosecutor.
1228
01:05:11,867 --> 01:05:17,706
Uh, we're here today to announce
that an arrest warrant has been issued
1229
01:05:17,790 --> 01:05:21,961
for the arrest of,
uh, Caleb, uh, McGillvary.
1230
01:05:22,044 --> 01:05:24,838
{\an8}We felt he was dangerous.
I mean, here's a man who was…
1231
01:05:24,922 --> 01:05:27,841
{\an8}He attacked someone
in California with a hatchet.
1232
01:05:27,925 --> 01:05:30,761
He didn't know that driver
more than a few hours,
1233
01:05:30,844 --> 01:05:32,388
and he attacked him.
1234
01:05:32,471 --> 01:05:34,932
And he was roaming around
our area somewhere,
1235
01:05:35,015 --> 01:05:37,518
and we thought
he was an extremely dangerous character,
1236
01:05:37,601 --> 01:05:39,603
so we advised the public of that.
1237
01:05:41,021 --> 01:05:43,649
We don't know where he is, but we do know
1238
01:05:43,732 --> 01:05:46,318
that this man is
used to being on the road,
1239
01:05:46,819 --> 01:05:50,030
and he is considered dangerous.
1240
01:05:50,114 --> 01:05:51,615
Make no mistake about it.
1241
01:05:51,699 --> 01:05:53,951
He is considered armed and dangerous.
1242
01:05:56,704 --> 01:05:57,997
[Lisa] My first thought is, like,
1243
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,125
"Holy fucking shit.
Like, this guy stayed at my house."
1244
01:06:01,208 --> 01:06:03,836
"I could've been killed.
You know, something could've happened."
1245
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:07,172
I thought,
"Are the police even gonna find this guy?"
1246
01:06:07,256 --> 01:06:09,091
'Cause he can easily disappear.
1247
01:06:10,718 --> 01:06:13,679
I knew that Kai as a witness
was hard to track down,
1248
01:06:13,762 --> 01:06:17,307
and I kinda had
some sympathy for the detectives with,
1249
01:06:17,391 --> 01:06:20,102
"How are they gonna track him down
as a suspect?"
1250
01:06:21,895 --> 01:06:24,606
I got flooded with emails,
flooded with messages,
1251
01:06:24,690 --> 01:06:26,692
because we're always gonna be linked.
1252
01:06:27,651 --> 01:06:29,028
{\an8}And it sucked.
1253
01:06:29,111 --> 01:06:30,195
{\an8}I mean, it sucked
1254
01:06:30,279 --> 01:06:35,242
{\an8}because, you know, all I ever wanted
was good things for this guy.
1255
01:06:35,325 --> 01:06:40,247
Now… he's wanted
for possibly killing someone.
1256
01:06:40,330 --> 01:06:43,375
It blew my mind. "What do you mean
there's a manhunt for Kai?
1257
01:06:43,459 --> 01:06:44,918
"What's going on with Kai?"
1258
01:06:45,002 --> 01:06:48,172
And it's all, "He killed
a 70-something-odd-year-old man."
1259
01:06:48,672 --> 01:06:50,132
It's like, "No."
1260
01:06:50,215 --> 01:06:53,052
Three months ago,
I'm searching for this guy
1261
01:06:53,135 --> 01:06:56,388
to put him on television
so we can all enjoy him.
1262
01:06:56,472 --> 01:06:59,391
Three months later,
the police are looking for this guy
1263
01:06:59,475 --> 01:07:03,228
so he can be judged
for killing a human being.
1264
01:07:06,106 --> 01:07:08,650
[Jessob] Two days later,
I still hadn't heard from him.
1265
01:07:09,234 --> 01:07:13,947
And then on Tuesday, May 14th, 2013,
1266
01:07:14,031 --> 01:07:16,200
Kai posted this on Facebook.
1267
01:07:17,242 --> 01:07:19,953
"What would you do
if you woke up with a groggy head,
1268
01:07:20,037 --> 01:07:23,040
metallic taste in your mouth,
in a stranger's house…
1269
01:07:23,123 --> 01:07:24,208
walked to the mirror
1270
01:07:24,291 --> 01:07:26,585
and seen come dripping
from the side of your face
1271
01:07:26,668 --> 01:07:28,504
from your mouth, and started retching,
1272
01:07:28,587 --> 01:07:33,550
realizing that someone had drugged, raped,
and blown their fucking load in you?"
1273
01:07:33,634 --> 01:07:36,845
[Alex] And he had this ominous question
at the end. "What would you do?"
1274
01:07:37,346 --> 01:07:38,680
I remember turning to my wife
1275
01:07:38,764 --> 01:07:41,183
and being like,
"This guy just killed someone."
1276
01:07:54,279 --> 01:07:57,116
What I know of Kai,
I know that he has that switch,
1277
01:07:57,199 --> 01:08:02,121
and he has that deep, deep, deep-seated
anger and hatred for assault.
1278
01:08:02,955 --> 01:08:05,082
But, I mean, I just don't believe…
1279
01:08:05,165 --> 01:08:08,252
I don't think he would do
something like that for no reason.
1280
01:08:09,169 --> 01:08:11,713
The manhunt needed to find him
as quickly as possible
1281
01:08:11,797 --> 01:08:14,383
to make sure
that nobody else got hurt along the way.
1282
01:08:19,721 --> 01:08:22,266
The investigation revealed
there were communications
1283
01:08:22,349 --> 01:08:26,937
with a young woman that was a fan of his
that the task force called Fan Number One.
1284
01:08:27,020 --> 01:08:29,982
And this was somebody
who Caleb had met, uh, through Facebook,
1285
01:08:30,065 --> 01:08:31,316
had communicated with,
1286
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,111
uh, somebody who had expressed interest
in hanging out with him.
1287
01:08:34,194 --> 01:08:37,531
They had made plans to get together.
It was Mother's Day.
1288
01:08:49,710 --> 01:08:52,171
Caleb did not follow through
on those plans,
1289
01:08:52,254 --> 01:08:55,382
and they didn't connect
when they were originally supposed to.
1290
01:08:55,465 --> 01:08:57,509
We then know
that, uh, she did not hear from him
1291
01:08:57,593 --> 01:08:59,595
until about nine o'clock that night.
1292
01:09:05,017 --> 01:09:07,352
[line ringing]
1293
01:09:07,436 --> 01:09:11,231
[John] And he repeatedly started calling
and texting her over and over again,
1294
01:09:11,315 --> 01:09:12,482
asking to be picked up,
1295
01:09:12,566 --> 01:09:15,402
asking for, uh, transport
out of the Clark area.
1296
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,489
[line ringing]
1297
01:09:23,702 --> 01:09:27,206
[robotic voice] Your call's been forwarded
to an automatic voice message system.
1298
01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:29,041
Hey, Kim, this is Kai.
1299
01:09:29,124 --> 01:09:31,835
Um, my place fell through.
1300
01:09:31,919 --> 01:09:35,088
I was wondering,
would you still be able to ride up here?
1301
01:09:35,172 --> 01:09:37,674
Um, it'd be really awesome if you could.
1302
01:09:38,175 --> 01:09:40,719
But, yeah, if you could text me back here.
1303
01:09:40,802 --> 01:09:42,846
- My phone keeps dying.
- [static]
1304
01:09:46,391 --> 01:09:50,604
[John] Sunday night into Monday,
Caleb was able to make it down from Rahway
1305
01:09:50,687 --> 01:09:52,272
to go to Asbury Park.
1306
01:09:52,356 --> 01:09:54,650
He met up with Fan Number One.
1307
01:09:54,733 --> 01:09:56,485
They took some photos together,
1308
01:09:56,568 --> 01:09:59,363
and she had told investigators
that she was surprised
1309
01:09:59,446 --> 01:10:01,323
because his appearance was different
1310
01:10:01,406 --> 01:10:04,284
from what she knew
of his video appearances
1311
01:10:04,368 --> 01:10:06,787
as well as his Facebook pictures.
1312
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:08,622
He had apparently cut his hair,
1313
01:10:08,705 --> 01:10:11,208
which later on
helped in the investigation.
1314
01:10:11,708 --> 01:10:13,710
But now we had a recent picture.
1315
01:10:13,794 --> 01:10:14,962
It showed his short hair.
1316
01:10:15,045 --> 01:10:17,965
It showed his face tattoo
in pretty great detail,
1317
01:10:18,048 --> 01:10:20,842
and that picture went out
around the world.
1318
01:10:35,607 --> 01:10:39,027
{\an8}[reporter] An employee inside a Starbucks
recognized him
1319
01:10:39,111 --> 01:10:40,737
and quickly called 911.
1320
01:10:41,947 --> 01:10:43,907
{\an8}[officer] Police arrived.
He was not there.
1321
01:10:43,991 --> 01:10:46,326
{\an8}Officers began to look
in the immediate area.
1322
01:10:46,410 --> 01:10:50,497
{\an8}One officer took a chance
and went to the Greyhound bus station,
1323
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:53,625
saw him in the waiting area,
called for backup,
1324
01:10:53,709 --> 01:10:55,252
and, uh, made an arrest.
1325
01:11:12,394 --> 01:11:14,771
[woman]
Can you just tell us what happened?
1326
01:11:14,855 --> 01:11:16,440
[woman 2] Can you tell us what happened?
1327
01:11:16,523 --> 01:11:19,651
I've been advised by an attorney
not to say anything to you guys.
1328
01:11:20,652 --> 01:11:22,487
I'd like to say thank you
to all the supporters.
1329
01:11:22,571 --> 01:11:24,031
[Jessob] He looked different, for sure.
1330
01:11:24,114 --> 01:11:26,575
His hair was short.
He had that face tattoo.
1331
01:11:26,658 --> 01:11:30,620
I had seen pictures of the face tattoo
before from, like, social media, but…
1332
01:11:34,708 --> 01:11:37,544
And maybe it's because of,
you know, the surrounding situation.
1333
01:11:37,627 --> 01:11:40,380
Now he's in police custody
and, you know, wanted for murder,
1334
01:11:40,464 --> 01:11:42,716
so the perception of him also is changing.
1335
01:11:42,799 --> 01:11:44,468
He's not the hero anymore.
He's the villain.
1336
01:11:44,551 --> 01:11:47,512
In February,
Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker
1337
01:11:47,596 --> 01:11:51,391
risked his life to save the lives
of innocent people in West Fresno.
1338
01:11:51,475 --> 01:11:55,020
Today, he's been arrested
for allegedly taking the life
1339
01:11:55,103 --> 01:11:56,897
of a man in New Jersey.
1340
01:11:56,980 --> 01:11:58,106
There's so much sadness,
1341
01:11:58,190 --> 01:12:02,027
having to report that, you know,
this guy that was once a hero
1342
01:12:02,110 --> 01:12:03,862
and, you know, grew to be a friend
1343
01:12:04,488 --> 01:12:08,533
is now in custody for murder
and another gentleman's dead.
1344
01:12:09,993 --> 01:12:14,081
[interrogator] Tell us everything you want
to tell us from the beginning of it.
1345
01:12:15,457 --> 01:12:17,292
He met me up in Times Square.
1346
01:12:17,376 --> 01:12:19,961
He's like, "Oh, you look lost.
Where you heading to?"
1347
01:12:20,045 --> 01:12:20,921
I says, "Jersey."
1348
01:12:21,421 --> 01:12:24,716
He says, "Oh, I'm… I'm headed there."
1349
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,260
"You want to go get a bite to eat?"
and stuff.
1350
01:12:27,344 --> 01:12:30,263
At first, I thought he was really nice,
and then he fuckin' raped me.
1351
01:12:30,764 --> 01:12:32,224
[interrogator] What did you guys eat?
1352
01:12:32,724 --> 01:12:37,896
Uh, he got some, um, Parmigiano stuff
from an Italian restaurant nearby.
1353
01:12:38,772 --> 01:12:40,440
[interrogator]
And then what'd you guys do?
1354
01:12:41,316 --> 01:12:42,818
[Kai] Then we was drinking beer,
1355
01:12:42,901 --> 01:12:47,489
and he wanted to put the beer into a glass
instead of a bottle,
1356
01:12:47,572 --> 01:12:50,742
and, uh, we watched some TV.
1357
01:12:50,826 --> 01:12:53,578
Then I felt sleepy so I went to bed.
1358
01:12:53,662 --> 01:12:54,955
I woke up the next morning,
1359
01:12:55,038 --> 01:12:57,040
and there's a metallic taste in my mouth.
1360
01:12:57,124 --> 01:13:00,627
I looked in the mirror, and there's come
coming down the side of my face.
1361
01:13:01,545 --> 01:13:03,797
- [interrogator] Did you confront him?
- [Kai] No, I didn't.
1362
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,925
[interrogator] Okay. You wake up,
he tells you it's tme to wake up?
1363
01:13:07,008 --> 01:13:11,179
He drove me over to New Jersey Transit
and got me a ticket over to Asbury.
1364
01:13:11,263 --> 01:13:13,807
Okay. And what'd you say to him?
1365
01:13:15,016 --> 01:13:17,018
I said goodbye and he says, you know,
1366
01:13:17,102 --> 01:13:18,979
"Call me at this number or email me
1367
01:13:19,062 --> 01:13:22,065
if you ever need a place to stay
for a night or something."
1368
01:13:22,691 --> 01:13:24,526
[interrogator] Then he buys you
a train ticket?
1369
01:13:24,609 --> 01:13:25,819
[Kai] Yeah.
1370
01:13:25,902 --> 01:13:28,947
I went to Asbury to wait for a friend
who said they're gonna meet me
1371
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:31,116
at, like, one or two,
and five o'clock rolled around,
1372
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:33,785
they still weren't around,
so I called him back.
1373
01:13:34,369 --> 01:13:36,496
[interrogator]
So your friends don't show up?
1374
01:13:37,205 --> 01:13:39,082
[Kai] No, and I got, uh…
1375
01:13:40,876 --> 01:13:44,296
I got raped. Like, you're saying you're
charging me with first degree murder?
1376
01:13:44,838 --> 01:13:45,755
[interrogator] Right.
1377
01:13:45,839 --> 01:13:48,592
So when your friends don't show up,
what did you do?
1378
01:13:49,509 --> 01:13:52,929
I went back up to see if he'd be able
to put me up for the night.
1379
01:13:53,972 --> 01:13:55,474
And what did you guys do?
1380
01:13:56,099 --> 01:13:58,351
Um, he brought me back over to his place
1381
01:13:58,435 --> 01:14:01,605
and said that, uh,
he didn't wanna order out that night,
1382
01:14:01,688 --> 01:14:03,398
so he gave me some burgers
1383
01:14:03,482 --> 01:14:07,444
and, uh, drank a few beers.
That's all I remember.
1384
01:14:07,527 --> 01:14:10,989
After that, I was waking up on the floor
and him trying to pull down my pants.
1385
01:14:11,072 --> 01:14:13,742
[interrogator] Okay. So you wake up
on the floor with your pants down?
1386
01:14:13,825 --> 01:14:17,078
- Yeah, he's pulling down my pants.
- [interrogator] Okay.
1387
01:14:17,162 --> 01:14:18,914
And how was he dressed?
1388
01:14:19,873 --> 01:14:22,042
Uh, he was… he was in his underwear.
1389
01:14:22,125 --> 01:14:23,126
[interrogator] Okay.
1390
01:14:23,877 --> 01:14:25,045
What happens next?
1391
01:14:25,128 --> 01:14:26,213
[Kai] I just hit him.
1392
01:14:26,296 --> 01:14:28,089
He was trying to manhandle me.
1393
01:14:28,590 --> 01:14:31,301
- [interrogator] Okay.
- He threw me around, and I was like…
1394
01:14:33,011 --> 01:14:34,429
What did you hit him with?
1395
01:14:34,930 --> 01:14:37,641
I just… I just hit him.
1396
01:14:38,642 --> 01:14:39,935
[interrogator] With your hands?
1397
01:14:40,018 --> 01:14:44,022
[Kai] Yeah, I don't even remember.
I could've elbowed him.
1398
01:14:44,898 --> 01:14:46,691
Kneed him, I don't know.
1399
01:14:46,775 --> 01:14:49,444
[interrogator] Okay.
So how did you finally get him off you?
1400
01:14:50,862 --> 01:14:53,949
Well, I… I fucking hit him in the head.
1401
01:14:55,283 --> 01:14:56,618
Can I get a drink of water?
1402
01:14:56,701 --> 01:14:59,287
- [interrogator] There's a cup right there.
- No, this is Alex.
1403
01:14:59,371 --> 01:15:00,455
Thank you, sir.
1404
01:15:06,419 --> 01:15:07,712
Ah.
1405
01:15:07,796 --> 01:15:10,298
I should probably be talking to a lawyer,
shouldn't I?
1406
01:15:10,382 --> 01:15:13,093
[interrogator] I can't give you
legal advice. It's up to you.
1407
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,471
- I wanna talk to a lawyer.
- [interrogator] Okay, fair enough.
1408
01:15:17,055 --> 01:15:21,434
Um, the time is approximately 9:50 p.m.
1409
01:15:21,518 --> 01:15:25,146
Um, Mr. Lawrence has decided
to speak to an attorney.
1410
01:15:25,939 --> 01:15:27,524
Once I walk out of this room,
1411
01:15:27,607 --> 01:15:30,777
I won't be able to talk to you again.
Do you have any questions for us?
1412
01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:33,321
What's the penalty of this crime
in New Jersey?
1413
01:15:34,114 --> 01:15:35,740
That's not up to us to decide.
1414
01:15:35,824 --> 01:15:37,659
[interrogator]
That's up to the judge to decide.
1415
01:15:38,451 --> 01:15:39,452
Is the…
1416
01:15:40,245 --> 01:15:42,914
is the death penalty legal
here in New Jersey?
1417
01:15:42,998 --> 01:15:46,334
Um okay, we're done, okay?
You asked for an attorney,
1418
01:15:46,418 --> 01:15:48,503
so we're gonna have to stop talking, okay?
1419
01:15:48,587 --> 01:15:49,588
All right?
1420
01:15:51,631 --> 01:15:53,466
- [interrogator] Good luck.
- Thanks.
1421
01:15:54,843 --> 01:15:56,970
[door closes and locks]
1422
01:15:59,306 --> 01:16:00,432
[sighs]
1423
01:16:02,183 --> 01:16:04,728
[Rob] Kai was trying
to claim self-defense.
1424
01:16:04,811 --> 01:16:06,771
But that's not
what the crime scene told us.
1425
01:16:07,272 --> 01:16:11,234
The crime scene told us
that this person was just beaten to death.
1426
01:16:11,318 --> 01:16:12,652
He's a 74-year-old male.
1427
01:16:13,236 --> 01:16:15,655
It didn't look like
Kai was putting up a fight
1428
01:16:16,156 --> 01:16:19,034
because there's gonna be defensive wounds.
1429
01:16:19,117 --> 01:16:20,493
You're gonna be blocking punches,
1430
01:16:20,577 --> 01:16:22,746
so there's gonna be
bruising, scuffing, scraping.
1431
01:16:22,829 --> 01:16:24,831
Nowhere did anybody say
1432
01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:29,794
they saw Kai with scratches, cuts,
bruises… anything.
1433
01:16:29,878 --> 01:16:33,465
I know that there are situations
where people are drugged
1434
01:16:33,548 --> 01:16:37,677
and are being raped, are being whatever,
1435
01:16:37,761 --> 01:16:41,264
and they wake up from that
and they fight for their lives.
1436
01:16:41,348 --> 01:16:43,892
What does fighting for your life
look like?
1437
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:48,146
Information started,
you know, trickling out.
1438
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:50,315
The autopsy report, it was brutal.
1439
01:16:51,191 --> 01:16:53,693
So it made the self-defense in Kai's story
1440
01:16:55,779 --> 01:16:57,489
look a lot more questionable.
1441
01:16:58,823 --> 01:17:01,618
{\an8}[Rob] Based on the testimony
of the medical examiner,
1442
01:17:01,701 --> 01:17:03,703
{\an8}he said it looked like he was stomped.
1443
01:17:04,454 --> 01:17:06,748
{\an8}His eye orbitals were broken.
1444
01:17:06,831 --> 01:17:10,960
These are probably the strongest bones
in your body next to your femur.
1445
01:17:11,044 --> 01:17:14,005
His nose was broken.
Above his nose was broken.
1446
01:17:14,089 --> 01:17:16,758
His ear was almost off,
1447
01:17:16,841 --> 01:17:22,722
{\an8}and it had a scuff mark on the ear
like that bloodstain in the hallway,
1448
01:17:22,806 --> 01:17:25,850
{\an8}where you could see
some sort of material in the bloodstain,
1449
01:17:25,934 --> 01:17:28,520
{\an8}and it sorta looked like that on his ear.
1450
01:17:29,104 --> 01:17:31,856
You don't get that from punching somebody.
1451
01:17:31,940 --> 01:17:34,984
You get that from
literally stomping down on their head.
1452
01:17:36,820 --> 01:17:40,699
At this point, it's not a whodunit.
You always wanna know why.
1453
01:17:40,782 --> 01:17:44,285
He said he was sexually assaulted
Saturday night.
1454
01:17:44,369 --> 01:17:49,624
Sunday morning, we have him leaving
and embracing his sexual assaulter,
1455
01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:54,212
and then he contacts the person
who sexually assaulted him
1456
01:17:54,295 --> 01:17:55,714
later on that same day
1457
01:17:56,423 --> 01:17:58,883
and comes back to Clark.
1458
01:17:59,926 --> 01:18:03,805
Two and a half weeks
before Kai met Mr. Galfy,
1459
01:18:03,888 --> 01:18:07,684
he posted something disturbing
on Facebook.
1460
01:18:07,767 --> 01:18:10,603
Kai wrote, "A HuffPost article titled,
1461
01:18:10,687 --> 01:18:14,149
'Is Vigilante Pedophile Hunting
A Good Idea?'"
1462
01:18:14,232 --> 01:18:16,443
"You decide! For you!"
1463
01:18:16,526 --> 01:18:18,153
"I'll decide for me."
1464
01:18:19,237 --> 01:18:21,448
[Dean] When arrested, he had printouts
1465
01:18:21,531 --> 01:18:24,492
of sexual predators,
known, convicted predators.
1466
01:18:24,576 --> 01:18:28,079
Did he perceive Joe Galfy as a predator
1467
01:18:28,830 --> 01:18:33,042
and thought he was providing
some type of vigilante justice?
1468
01:18:34,419 --> 01:18:35,503
That I don't know.
1469
01:18:36,546 --> 01:18:40,842
{\an8}It doesn't make sense
that Joe, who's so mild-mannered
1470
01:18:41,634 --> 01:18:44,220
and wants to help, would attack somebody.
1471
01:18:45,346 --> 01:18:49,350
But drugged and raped him?
Doesn't sound like Joe, does it?
1472
01:18:49,434 --> 01:18:50,685
Doesn't sound like Joe
1473
01:18:50,769 --> 01:18:53,730
and also Joe physically
1474
01:18:53,813 --> 01:18:57,233
is not Arnold Schwarzenegger at 70.
1475
01:18:57,317 --> 01:19:01,529
Um, he's just not.
Um, you know, as much as I liked Joe,
1476
01:19:02,113 --> 01:19:06,826
uh, I would not, you know,
rely upon him in a, uh, fistfight.
1477
01:19:11,331 --> 01:19:15,126
[Ted] There's a moment in time
when somebody murders someone
1478
01:19:16,085 --> 01:19:19,464
that there's that fear
on the victim's part
1479
01:19:20,298 --> 01:19:22,300
that, "I'm gonna die."
1480
01:19:24,803 --> 01:19:28,223
Every time we talked about this
in our office,
1481
01:19:28,306 --> 01:19:31,684
we would say that
we were always the voice of the victim.
1482
01:19:31,768 --> 01:19:34,062
That's what the prosecutor's office
is all about.
1483
01:19:34,145 --> 01:19:39,484
And there was a moment in time,
no matter what Mr. Galfy was doing,
1484
01:19:39,567 --> 01:19:41,569
he would have had that fear.
1485
01:19:43,112 --> 01:19:47,116
[Bob] I could see a situation
where Kai's put into a rage,
1486
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,495
not only hit once
but keep on pounding away,
1487
01:19:50,578 --> 01:19:53,998
{\an8}and pounding away
as Joe tries to escape down the hallway
1488
01:19:54,082 --> 01:19:56,835
{\an8}and just bleeds his way to die.
1489
01:19:58,419 --> 01:19:59,462
{\an8}I'm angry.
1490
01:20:00,213 --> 01:20:03,174
{\an8}It's a murder, clear and simple,
1491
01:20:03,258 --> 01:20:06,511
and Joe was too good a guy
1492
01:20:06,594 --> 01:20:11,140
to have been killed, uh,
for almost nothing.
1493
01:20:12,392 --> 01:20:14,894
And nobody knows. Nobody knows why.
1494
01:20:16,145 --> 01:20:19,482
{\an8}With this guy's past, I mean,
I don't think it's a surprise
1495
01:20:19,566 --> 01:20:21,693
{\an8}that he would snap
and do something like that.
1496
01:20:21,776 --> 01:20:24,153
I don't think it was self-defense.
1497
01:20:24,237 --> 01:20:27,365
I really believe
that this guy is innocent.
1498
01:20:27,448 --> 01:20:32,287
[man] He goes from hero to wanted man
in three months. How should I feel here?
1499
01:20:32,370 --> 01:20:34,664
[man 2]
I want Kai to be free and just going on--
1500
01:20:34,747 --> 01:20:36,791
- [man 3] You like the viralness of him.
- [man 2] Yeah!
1501
01:20:36,875 --> 01:20:39,711
[man 3] Is this a guardian angel?
Or a stone-cold killer?
1502
01:20:39,794 --> 01:20:41,337
[woman] Let us know in the comments.
1503
01:20:42,964 --> 01:20:46,342
There is a difference
between the court of public opinion
1504
01:20:46,426 --> 01:20:48,344
and an actual superior court.
1505
01:20:48,428 --> 01:20:51,347
And a jury in an actual superior court
1506
01:20:51,931 --> 01:20:55,226
listen to the facts of the case
that the prosecutor's office put forward,
1507
01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:58,980
they listen to the facts of the case
what Caleb's side had to say,
1508
01:20:59,063 --> 01:21:00,607
uh, and ultimately decided
1509
01:21:00,690 --> 01:21:03,776
that the prosecutor's office
had done their job well.
1510
01:21:04,736 --> 01:21:06,905
[Jessob] The trial was several days,
1511
01:21:06,988 --> 01:21:12,368
and the jury and everyone saw
a different side of Kai than I saw,
1512
01:21:12,452 --> 01:21:17,415
and at the end of the trial, the judge had
some pretty poignant and powerful words.
1513
01:21:17,498 --> 01:21:19,792
{\an8}Judge Robert Kirsch called Kai
1514
01:21:19,876 --> 01:21:22,712
{\an8}"a powder keg of explosive rage."
1515
01:21:22,795 --> 01:21:25,924
{\an8}"You created this public image
of a free spirit,
1516
01:21:26,007 --> 01:21:29,135
{\an8}but underneath that free spirit,
the jury saw another side of you."
1517
01:21:29,761 --> 01:21:33,139
{\an8}"A cold-blooded,
calculated, callous killer."
1518
01:21:35,058 --> 01:21:36,309
[Kai] The jury didn't believe me
1519
01:21:36,392 --> 01:21:39,270
because people are used to
when a rape survivor isn't believed,
1520
01:21:39,354 --> 01:21:41,230
the rapist is presumed innocent.
1521
01:21:41,314 --> 01:21:44,150
But this was never a rape trial.
The rapist is dead.
1522
01:21:44,233 --> 01:21:47,904
This was a homicide trial.
Self-defense against rape is a right.
1523
01:21:47,987 --> 01:21:50,073
But they told the jury
the burden was on me
1524
01:21:50,156 --> 01:21:53,660
to prove intoxication and rape
by clear and convincing evidence.
1525
01:21:53,743 --> 01:21:55,954
But I deserve
the same presumption of innocence,
1526
01:21:56,037 --> 01:21:58,247
unless proven guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt,
1527
01:21:58,331 --> 01:22:02,460
that's given to the seven of eight rapists
that beat their charges and walk free.
1528
01:22:02,543 --> 01:22:07,423
I met Kai in this heroic… situation,
1529
01:22:07,507 --> 01:22:09,592
and this judge, I get it,
1530
01:22:09,676 --> 01:22:12,220
you know, he only saw the bad side of Kai
1531
01:22:12,303 --> 01:22:14,305
and, you know,
was put through this whole trial,
1532
01:22:14,389 --> 01:22:17,809
which was brutal 'cause of the crime scene
and stuff like that, so, um…
1533
01:22:18,559 --> 01:22:21,020
The "cold-blooded" part
and the "for no reason," I just…
1534
01:22:21,104 --> 01:22:22,438
Man, I don't know.
1535
01:22:25,274 --> 01:22:26,401
I don't know.
1536
01:22:27,443 --> 01:22:29,862
Why did nobody see that he was dangerous?
1537
01:22:29,946 --> 01:22:31,197
I think people did.
1538
01:22:32,031 --> 01:22:34,075
I think… I think there was people
1539
01:22:34,158 --> 01:22:38,037
who, you know,
rightfully thought he was dangerous.
1540
01:22:38,121 --> 01:22:41,541
I mean, not… not on my end, you know…
1541
01:22:41,624 --> 01:22:45,420
And it wasn't 'cause I wanted to get
this guy on TV so bad
1542
01:22:45,503 --> 01:22:49,424
that I believed him,
that I was putting down some fear of him,
1543
01:22:49,507 --> 01:22:54,053
or I was discounting other people's fear
because this helped me in some way.
1544
01:22:54,721 --> 01:22:57,932
It was because I didn't see it. It was
because I didn't believe it, you know.
1545
01:22:58,016 --> 01:23:00,226
I wasn't trying to minimize
anybody else's fears
1546
01:23:00,309 --> 01:23:02,520
because it benefited me. I just…
1547
01:23:03,938 --> 01:23:05,732
I just… I saw what I thought I saw,
1548
01:23:05,815 --> 01:23:08,151
and I wanted to help
the person I thought I saw.
1549
01:23:08,651 --> 01:23:10,278
And, you know, I was wrong.
1550
01:23:13,406 --> 01:23:18,202
[Bob] I think the media had something
to blame for the creation of Kai.
1551
01:23:18,786 --> 01:23:21,706
I've yet to see any analysis
1552
01:23:22,415 --> 01:23:26,586
of anyone in the media saying,
"Boy, did we make a mistake?"
1553
01:23:26,669 --> 01:23:32,717
"Did we create this celebrity and monster
without doing our homework?"
1554
01:23:33,676 --> 01:23:37,388
I think what Bob's saying
is if you're going to glorify someone,
1555
01:23:37,472 --> 01:23:39,390
you better know who you're glorifying.
1556
01:23:39,474 --> 01:23:43,728
I can sit here and say I did everything
the right way and tried to…
1557
01:23:45,396 --> 01:23:49,067
tried to do everything for him
and have him be successful and happy
1558
01:23:49,150 --> 01:23:54,072
and… I don't know,
expose the good in him and hide the bad,
1559
01:23:54,155 --> 01:23:55,907
and I just couldn't, I guess.
1560
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:57,658
No one could, I guess.
1561
01:23:59,535 --> 01:24:01,537
[Shirley] In our communication,
I've told him before,
1562
01:24:01,621 --> 01:24:03,706
if ever he wants me to visit him, I will.
1563
01:24:03,790 --> 01:24:05,458
Right now he's said no.
1564
01:24:06,042 --> 01:24:08,377
I don't know if I ever will see him again.
1565
01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:13,341
[Brad] There's no more home-free.
There's no more Dogtown.
1566
01:24:13,424 --> 01:24:16,344
There's no more anything, ever.
1567
01:24:16,969 --> 01:24:21,474
Your address is gonna be
your address forever,
1568
01:24:22,683 --> 01:24:25,478
and this is a guy
who never wanted an address.
1569
01:24:26,604 --> 01:24:27,730
[exhales]
1570
01:24:29,482 --> 01:24:30,608
Good God.
1571
01:24:31,192 --> 01:24:33,194
[ominous music playing]