1 00:00:08,049 --> 00:00:11,052 ["Love & Hate" by Michael Kiwanuka playing] 2 00:00:12,095 --> 00:00:16,641 Albie Sachs is a South African activist, lawyer, writer, 3 00:00:16,725 --> 00:00:19,728 and a former judge appointed by Nelson Mandela 4 00:00:19,811 --> 00:00:22,856 to serve on the first Constitutional Court of South Africa. 5 00:00:23,898 --> 00:00:25,942 During the struggle to end apartheid, 6 00:00:26,026 --> 00:00:31,281 Albie survived a bomb planted in his car by the South African Security Service. 7 00:00:32,323 --> 00:00:34,993 He lost an arm and the sight in one eye. 8 00:00:35,493 --> 00:00:38,955 And yet years later, when asked what the world needs most, 9 00:00:39,539 --> 00:00:41,958 his answer remains unflinching. 10 00:00:43,376 --> 00:00:47,589 [chuckles] The word "kindness" keeps popping into my head, uh, 11 00:00:48,548 --> 00:00:50,675 and maybe because there's so much 12 00:00:52,302 --> 00:00:56,723 braggadocio, that's become popular. That's been supported. 13 00:00:57,348 --> 00:00:59,476 But you refute it through 14 00:01:00,310 --> 00:01:02,729 uh, connecting up with others. 15 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:07,650 Through contact with others, through getting energies to... 16 00:01:08,693 --> 00:01:10,862 to point in the same direction, 17 00:01:11,488 --> 00:01:12,697 and through 18 00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:16,367 accepting and embracing diversity. 19 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:21,122 This was inspired by Nelson Mandela, who once said, 20 00:01:21,206 --> 00:01:24,584 "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived... 21 00:01:24,667 --> 00:01:28,296 [Meghan] ...it is what difference we have made to the lives of others 22 00:01:28,379 --> 00:01:32,092 that will determine the significance of the life we lead." 23 00:01:32,884 --> 00:01:36,012 [Harry] His life left a lasting mark on the world. 24 00:01:36,513 --> 00:01:40,517 A legacy that has helped inspire so many others to stand up... 25 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,978 [Meghan] ...to fight for change and to become leaders. 26 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:46,898 [Harry] So this is in memory of Madiba. 27 00:01:47,565 --> 00:01:51,194 [Meghan] It was made to remind us of the difference one person can make. 28 00:01:51,277 --> 00:01:54,614 [Harry] It's about people who have made brave choices. 29 00:01:54,697 --> 00:01:58,409 Leaders who have walked alongside him and followed in his footsteps. 30 00:01:58,993 --> 00:02:03,248 [Meghan] Caring for others, working for a better and more equal world. 31 00:02:04,165 --> 00:02:06,918 [Harry] And giving inspiration to the rest of us 32 00:02:07,585 --> 00:02:09,420 to live to lead. 33 00:02:09,504 --> 00:02:14,217 ♪ You can't break me down You can't take me down ♪ 34 00:02:17,887 --> 00:02:23,476 ♪ You can't take me down You can't break me down ♪ 35 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,645 ♪ You can't take me down ♪ 36 00:02:28,773 --> 00:02:32,110 My first report card from school, I was six years old, 37 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:36,573 started with the words, "Albert is a dreamy boy." 38 00:02:37,866 --> 00:02:39,367 And now, uh, 39 00:02:40,702 --> 00:02:42,579 70-plus years later, 40 00:02:43,246 --> 00:02:45,415 Albie is still a... [chuckles] ...dreamy boy. 41 00:02:46,541 --> 00:02:48,334 - [explosion] - [glass shatters] 42 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:50,378 - [car alarms blaring] - [muffled shout] 43 00:02:50,461 --> 00:02:53,715 [news anchor] The latest target of worldwide attacks on the ANC 44 00:02:53,798 --> 00:02:56,342 was opening his car door when the bomb exploded. 45 00:02:56,926 --> 00:02:58,970 Albie Sachs was critically injured. 46 00:02:59,053 --> 00:03:02,765 [anchor 2] When he was taken to hospital, he was given little chance of survival. 47 00:03:02,849 --> 00:03:04,309 Miraculously, he did survive. 48 00:03:04,392 --> 00:03:08,438 Shattered. He'd lost the sight in one eye. One arm was amputated. 49 00:03:09,022 --> 00:03:12,358 Nevertheless, two months later, the ANC leader remained optimistic 50 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:13,860 about his homeland's future. 51 00:03:13,943 --> 00:03:15,653 Vengeance won't bring my arm back. 52 00:03:16,154 --> 00:03:19,949 Uh, and on the contrary, vengeance will demean me 53 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:22,368 and in a way, make it all for nothing. 54 00:03:22,869 --> 00:03:27,707 Uh, I think it's very important that we maintain a positive outlook. 55 00:03:27,790 --> 00:03:29,834 Freedom will come in South Africa. Freedom... 56 00:03:29,918 --> 00:03:33,588 We'll have freedom in our lifetime, and we'll build a decent society there. 57 00:03:33,671 --> 00:03:36,049 That has to be our objective. 58 00:03:36,132 --> 00:03:39,219 ["Lost in the Light" by Bahamas playing] 59 00:03:40,762 --> 00:03:44,349 [man 1] Our guest today is Justice Albert L. Sachs, 60 00:03:44,432 --> 00:03:48,353 a member of the South African Constitutional Court. 61 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:51,731 ♪ I'm lost in the light ♪ 62 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:57,195 Justice Sachs was a leader in the struggle for human rights in South Africa 63 00:03:57,278 --> 00:04:01,324 and a freedom fighter in the African National Congress. 64 00:04:01,407 --> 00:04:03,326 [man 2] His involvement in this line of work 65 00:04:03,409 --> 00:04:05,578 landed him in trouble with the police. 66 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:08,248 [man 1] Twice he was detained without trial. 67 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:10,208 [man 2] As he was subjected to imprisonment, 68 00:04:10,291 --> 00:04:12,377 solitary confinement, detention, 69 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:14,254 he endured a period of exile... 70 00:04:14,337 --> 00:04:16,089 [man 3] And eventually became the target 71 00:04:16,172 --> 00:04:18,967 of a state-sponsored assassination attempt. 72 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:22,303 [man 4] And then, Nelson Mandela was released. 73 00:04:22,387 --> 00:04:24,597 [man 5] Here, after 24 years in political exile, 74 00:04:24,681 --> 00:04:28,226 Albie Sachs being greeted by his mother at Cape Town Airport. 75 00:04:28,309 --> 00:04:31,479 [man 2] He took part in the negotiations that made South Africa 76 00:04:31,562 --> 00:04:33,106 a constitutional democracy, 77 00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:38,069 and he was appointed by Nelson Mandela to serve in the Constitutional Court. 78 00:04:38,152 --> 00:04:39,654 Through his time as judge, 79 00:04:39,737 --> 00:04:44,242 he earned a reputation as the conscience of the court. 80 00:04:44,909 --> 00:04:46,995 [woman] The way Albie lives his life, 81 00:04:47,662 --> 00:04:49,330 the lack of bitterness... 82 00:04:49,998 --> 00:04:53,376 Albie gives you faith in being human... 83 00:04:54,752 --> 00:04:56,587 in being South African. 84 00:04:56,671 --> 00:04:59,465 A white South African man, you look at Albie, you think... 85 00:05:01,384 --> 00:05:03,136 Albie is what is possible. 86 00:05:04,012 --> 00:05:10,351 ♪ Bein' free, leaving me on my own ♪ 87 00:05:30,496 --> 00:05:32,415 There's a little story, age six, 88 00:05:33,082 --> 00:05:35,960 when I was packing to go into exile, I found a card, 89 00:05:36,711 --> 00:05:40,506 a birthday card from my dad, Solly Sachs. 90 00:05:40,590 --> 00:05:47,305 Um, "Albie, may you grow up to be a soldier in the fight for liberation." 91 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:51,100 Now, I think that's pretty heavy for a six-year-old, 92 00:05:51,184 --> 00:05:54,896 but that was the kind of universe in which I grew up. 93 00:05:54,979 --> 00:05:57,648 [anchor] Laws made white people officially superior, 94 00:05:57,732 --> 00:05:59,067 and the large Black majority 95 00:05:59,150 --> 00:06:01,903 faced discrimination in every aspect of their lives. 96 00:06:02,528 --> 00:06:06,032 South Africa was overwhelmed by that system of apartheid. 97 00:06:06,699 --> 00:06:10,370 Age 17, I'm in a hall with overwhelmingly Black people, 98 00:06:10,453 --> 00:06:12,830 maybe 200, maybe five, ten whites, 99 00:06:13,331 --> 00:06:14,665 and people are singing, 100 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:17,668 and they're singing freedom songs, 101 00:06:17,752 --> 00:06:21,714 and they're calling for volunteers to join the Defiance of Unjust Laws Campaign. 102 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:25,843 And I say to my friend, [whispers] "Avi, I want to join." 103 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:28,179 He goes, "You can't." "Why?" 104 00:06:28,679 --> 00:06:29,847 "Because you're white." 105 00:06:30,556 --> 00:06:31,974 "We're fighting racism." 106 00:06:32,058 --> 00:06:34,227 "It's a Black struggle led by Black people." 107 00:06:34,936 --> 00:06:37,355 But nine months later, 108 00:06:38,523 --> 00:06:43,736 after I'd written my end-of-year exams, during the break, I was leading a group of 109 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:46,489 four of us young white people 110 00:06:46,572 --> 00:06:49,492 to sit on benches marked "non-whites only." 111 00:06:49,575 --> 00:06:52,328 And becoming active and meeting 112 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:55,081 and finding... I think it was so important for me, 113 00:06:55,164 --> 00:06:58,835 the people I met in the struggle against apartheid 114 00:06:59,502 --> 00:07:03,047 had energy, vitality, imagination. 115 00:07:03,131 --> 00:07:05,425 So much more interesting 116 00:07:05,508 --> 00:07:08,177 than the world that was mapped out for us 117 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:12,640 of some kind of career to make money, to get on, to be important. 118 00:07:13,641 --> 00:07:19,230 Becoming a lawyer, uh, was part and parcel of the activism. 119 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:22,400 A whole range of different cases, 120 00:07:22,483 --> 00:07:25,987 but a bulk, the core of the work I did, 121 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:28,698 involved people being 122 00:07:30,283 --> 00:07:32,785 punished or threatened with punishment, 123 00:07:32,869 --> 00:07:35,997 because of their views, because of their stand against apartheid, 124 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,957 or because they didn't have the documents. 125 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,711 They didn't comply with the multitude of laws that oppressed Black people. 126 00:07:48,843 --> 00:07:50,470 It was dreadful. 127 00:07:50,553 --> 00:07:53,723 1960, the year of the massacre at Sharpeville... 128 00:07:53,806 --> 00:07:57,560 [anchor] At Sharpeville, police fired into a crowd of unarmed demonstrators. 129 00:07:57,643 --> 00:07:58,478 [siren wailing] 130 00:07:58,561 --> 00:08:01,647 [Sachs] Sixty-nine people shot dead, mostly in their back. 131 00:08:01,731 --> 00:08:04,984 The ANC, African National Congress, banned, 132 00:08:05,067 --> 00:08:08,779 everything driven underground, impossible state of emergency, 133 00:08:08,863 --> 00:08:11,782 and then things became much, much grimmer. 134 00:08:12,366 --> 00:08:14,285 You could be plucked out of your home, 135 00:08:14,368 --> 00:08:18,998 your work, walking in the streets, at the whim of a police officer. 136 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:22,460 I saw my clients being picked up one by one. 137 00:08:23,211 --> 00:08:25,796 You're locked up under what's called the 90-Day Law. 138 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,591 They can keep you, without access to lawyers, 139 00:08:28,674 --> 00:08:32,470 without access to court, to family, to anybody, for 90 days 140 00:08:32,553 --> 00:08:37,725 on the basis that they suspect you have information that would aid terrorists. 141 00:08:38,976 --> 00:08:41,354 [interviewer] Because you were fighting this injustice, 142 00:08:41,854 --> 00:08:44,315 not just as a lawyer representing Black people, 143 00:08:44,398 --> 00:08:46,192 but as an activist, 144 00:08:47,026 --> 00:08:48,277 they came after you too. 145 00:08:51,405 --> 00:08:52,532 You join a struggle. 146 00:08:53,282 --> 00:08:54,534 You're a volunteer. 147 00:08:55,326 --> 00:08:57,495 You become part of a culture of resistance. 148 00:08:57,578 --> 00:09:00,039 So it was the people fighting the Nazis, 149 00:09:00,122 --> 00:09:04,460 the partisans who identified with them very strongly in Europe during the war. 150 00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:05,544 Uh... 151 00:09:06,754 --> 00:09:08,130 the people who'd been to jail, 152 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:11,467 who'd written books about their jail experiences, you read them, 153 00:09:12,051 --> 00:09:15,304 and you prepare yourself for the moment, 154 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:17,515 "So this is what it's like to be in jail." 155 00:09:19,016 --> 00:09:20,268 And you're not prepared. 156 00:09:22,019 --> 00:09:24,730 You're not prepared. You're not prepared for isolation. 157 00:09:27,066 --> 00:09:29,777 You cope because, in a sense, there's no alternative. 158 00:09:29,860 --> 00:09:31,696 What can you do? You can cry. 159 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:36,867 Uh, there is an alternative. You can collaborate. You can capitulate. 160 00:09:36,951 --> 00:09:41,622 So the fight then is to prevent yourself from cracking up 161 00:09:41,706 --> 00:09:44,959 and giving information away, and... 162 00:09:46,168 --> 00:09:48,671 After a while, you don't even know why you're in jail. 163 00:09:48,754 --> 00:09:51,507 You don't even know why you're... You just know, somehow, 164 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:54,010 the big phrases that were so powerful and strong, 165 00:09:54,093 --> 00:09:57,471 that seemed to be so meaningful, become empty. 166 00:09:57,555 --> 00:09:59,557 Freedom? What is free... It's nonsense. 167 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:04,103 You have a little, extremely narcissistic, enclosed world 168 00:10:04,186 --> 00:10:06,981 of just you, yourself, and that pain you're feeling. 169 00:10:07,064 --> 00:10:09,734 On a good day, I would be depressed. 170 00:10:09,817 --> 00:10:11,652 On a good day, just depressed. 171 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:13,821 On a bad day... 172 00:10:15,823 --> 00:10:18,618 not quite suicidal but close to that, 173 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:20,870 in a state of total despair. 174 00:10:23,539 --> 00:10:25,041 [metal door bangs] 175 00:10:25,124 --> 00:10:27,293 [keys jangle] 176 00:10:28,169 --> 00:10:31,088 One day, I hear whistling. 177 00:10:32,673 --> 00:10:35,593 I can't believe it because it's not just the general noise. 178 00:10:35,676 --> 00:10:37,428 Prison is noisy. 179 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:42,725 People screaming, shouting, doors being slammed, everybody shouting, 180 00:10:43,225 --> 00:10:44,602 and I hear whistling, 181 00:10:45,394 --> 00:10:46,729 and I whistle back... 182 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:52,443 [whistles "Symphony No.9 in E minor" by Dvořák] 183 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:06,082 And I hear from far away in the prison... 184 00:11:06,165 --> 00:11:10,711 [distant whistling of the same symphony] 185 00:11:14,548 --> 00:11:15,966 I don't even know who it is. 186 00:11:16,050 --> 00:11:18,594 ["Symphony No.9 in E minor" by Dvořák plays] 187 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:21,639 And this was a wonderful form of contact. 188 00:11:23,432 --> 00:11:26,852 And then I would do exercises as part of my regime, 189 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:29,772 and I'm in the middle of trying to do 100 press-ups, 190 00:11:29,855 --> 00:11:34,235 and I hear the whistling, and I say, "No, I'm only up to 75!" 191 00:11:34,318 --> 00:11:36,946 "Please wait, wait, wait! Can't you wait?" 192 00:11:37,029 --> 00:11:40,157 And then we had to, kind of, establish a time during the day 193 00:11:40,658 --> 00:11:44,453 when we would be ready for the whistling, and I never found out who it was. 194 00:11:46,539 --> 00:11:49,250 And then I'm released after 90 days. 195 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:51,419 I'm walking out to the street, and... 196 00:11:53,921 --> 00:11:54,964 I'm locked up again. 197 00:11:55,047 --> 00:11:56,298 [metal door crashes] 198 00:11:56,382 --> 00:12:00,136 They take my tie away. They take my watch away. 199 00:12:00,219 --> 00:12:02,847 And another 78 days. 200 00:12:02,930 --> 00:12:06,142 And then I'm released, not knowing why, and I was so... 201 00:12:07,685 --> 00:12:08,853 triumphant, euphoric, 202 00:12:08,936 --> 00:12:12,481 that I ran all the way from the center of Cape Town to Clifton. 203 00:12:13,065 --> 00:12:14,065 Maybe... 204 00:12:14,108 --> 00:12:15,735 [symphony continues] 205 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:19,447 ...six, seven, eight miles. I'd never run that distance in my life before. 206 00:12:19,530 --> 00:12:21,365 Flung myself into the sea. 207 00:12:21,449 --> 00:12:26,871 My colleagues came, dressed in their suits with their shiny shoes, down on the beach. 208 00:12:27,371 --> 00:12:28,371 Uh... 209 00:12:29,832 --> 00:12:32,793 And they thought I was, like, crazy. I was a bit crazy. 210 00:12:32,877 --> 00:12:35,671 I seemed to be triumphant, but inside, something was broken. 211 00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:41,093 You never get over solitary confinement. 212 00:12:42,845 --> 00:12:43,845 You never. 213 00:12:44,513 --> 00:12:45,931 [symphony ends] 214 00:12:47,391 --> 00:12:51,061 And then, years later, now I'm in exile, 215 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:52,771 and... 216 00:12:57,777 --> 00:12:58,777 I'm blown up. 217 00:12:59,653 --> 00:13:01,614 [poignant music plays] 218 00:13:04,742 --> 00:13:07,661 My friend, Ruth First, had been killed by a letter bomb. 219 00:13:09,997 --> 00:13:13,292 There was a portion of the cemetery in Maputo 220 00:13:13,375 --> 00:13:17,630 where many South Africans were buried. Over 20 who'd been killed. 221 00:13:18,130 --> 00:13:20,966 And each time we went there, we wondered, 222 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:24,512 "That little space over there, is that for me?" 223 00:13:25,054 --> 00:13:30,643 [woman] The very fact that he was such an important opponent of apartheid 224 00:13:30,726 --> 00:13:33,312 meant that he was in enormous danger all the time. 225 00:13:33,395 --> 00:13:37,024 [Sachs] I felt they wouldn't go for me. I was so obviously a soft target, 226 00:13:37,107 --> 00:13:40,319 uh, and there would be a reaction against it, and 227 00:13:40,402 --> 00:13:41,237 I was wrong. 228 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,238 [muffled shouting] 229 00:13:42,321 --> 00:13:46,033 [anchor] The explosion was heard throughout the Mozambique capital Maputo. 230 00:13:46,116 --> 00:13:49,745 The booby trap was suspected to be the work of South African agents. 231 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:52,081 His car was meant to be his grave. 232 00:13:52,164 --> 00:13:54,166 - [people yelling] - [car alarm wailing] 233 00:13:56,877 --> 00:14:00,089 [Sachs] I feel arms pulling me, and 234 00:14:00,923 --> 00:14:04,343 I say, "Leave me, leave me. I'd rather die here." 235 00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:12,184 And I think I'm being kidnapped and taken over the border to South Africa. 236 00:14:20,067 --> 00:14:21,318 Total darkness. 237 00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:23,612 Something terrible's happened. 238 00:14:23,696 --> 00:14:26,824 I don't know what it is. I hear a voice in the darkness saying, 239 00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:28,575 "Albie, 240 00:14:29,243 --> 00:14:31,203 this is Ivo Garrido speaking." 241 00:14:31,287 --> 00:14:33,539 "You're in Maputo Central Hospital." 242 00:14:34,957 --> 00:14:38,752 "Your arm is in lamentable condition. You must face the future with courage." 243 00:14:38,836 --> 00:14:40,880 I say into the darkness, "What happened?" 244 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:43,632 And a woman's voice says, "It was a car bomb." 245 00:14:44,466 --> 00:14:48,137 I faint back into obscurity but with a sense of joy. 246 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:50,097 I'd thought I was being kidnapped, 247 00:14:50,764 --> 00:14:52,725 to be thrown into jail in South Africa. 248 00:14:52,808 --> 00:14:56,937 And I knew I was safe in the hands of FRELIMO, 249 00:14:57,646 --> 00:14:59,273 the government of Mozambique. 250 00:15:00,816 --> 00:15:01,816 And... 251 00:15:04,028 --> 00:15:05,529 some time passes. 252 00:15:07,489 --> 00:15:09,533 I'm feeling very light. I'm lying on my back. 253 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:12,995 I can't see anything. My eyes are covered. And I tell myself a joke. 254 00:15:13,495 --> 00:15:16,790 Uh, it's about Hymie Cohen. Like me, he's a Jew. 255 00:15:16,874 --> 00:15:18,751 He falls off a bus, he gets up, 256 00:15:20,085 --> 00:15:22,796 and... his hand moves over his... 257 00:15:24,048 --> 00:15:25,132 past his body like this. 258 00:15:25,215 --> 00:15:27,635 Someone says, "Hymie, I didn't know you were Catholic!" 259 00:15:27,718 --> 00:15:29,386 "What do you mean 'Catholic'?" 260 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:31,555 "Spectacles, 261 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:33,015 testicles, 262 00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:34,642 wallet, and watch." 263 00:15:34,725 --> 00:15:37,937 [chuckles] It's an old joke. Not normally told in those circumstances, 264 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:41,023 and I started with testicles, seemed to be in order. 265 00:15:41,106 --> 00:15:43,067 Wallet, okay. 266 00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:44,610 Spectacles... 267 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:48,948 If there's a crater there, I'm in big trouble. 268 00:15:49,031 --> 00:15:51,659 Okay, and I've lost an arm. 269 00:15:51,742 --> 00:15:53,452 I've only lost an arm. 270 00:15:53,535 --> 00:15:55,746 That moment every freedom fighter's waiting for. 271 00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:58,540 "Will they come for me today? Will I be brave?" 272 00:15:58,624 --> 00:16:02,086 They'd come for me, they'd tried to kill me, and I had survived. 273 00:16:02,169 --> 00:16:03,671 I felt joyous and triumphant. 274 00:16:03,754 --> 00:16:09,718 And that was in April 7th, April 8th, 1988, 275 00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:11,178 and I still feel that. 276 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:14,932 It blew away the misery of solitary confinement. 277 00:16:15,015 --> 00:16:17,643 It gave a whole different perspective on life. 278 00:16:17,726 --> 00:16:19,728 I somehow came back into the world. 279 00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:21,563 I can't explain it fully, 280 00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:25,693 and I'm a little bit worried there might be a collapse afterwards. 281 00:16:26,485 --> 00:16:29,655 Uh, clearly now I've reached the stage where I have to, 282 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,199 uh, rebuild myself, 283 00:16:33,033 --> 00:16:36,495 physically and emotionally. 284 00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:37,996 And it was like... 285 00:16:39,790 --> 00:16:43,377 learning to write again. "Look, Mommy. I can write!" 286 00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:47,673 Uh, learning to stand. "Look, Mommy. I can walk. I can stand." 287 00:16:47,756 --> 00:16:52,386 There was something very joyous about the recovery after the bomb. 288 00:16:54,179 --> 00:16:56,181 [poignant music] 289 00:16:59,893 --> 00:17:00,978 And, um... 290 00:17:02,771 --> 00:17:05,941 I receive a letter. 291 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:08,235 I'm lying in a hospital bed in London, 292 00:17:08,318 --> 00:17:12,823 and it says, "Don't worry, Comrade Albie. We will avenge you." 293 00:17:13,323 --> 00:17:14,783 "Signed, Bobby Naidoo." 294 00:17:15,659 --> 00:17:17,161 And I think, "avenge" me? 295 00:17:17,244 --> 00:17:20,289 We gonna cut off the arms? We gonna blind in one eye? 296 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,875 Is that the country we're fighting for? 297 00:17:22,958 --> 00:17:26,628 If we get freedom, if we get democracy, we get the rule of law, 298 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:29,840 that will be my soft vengeance. 299 00:17:29,923 --> 00:17:32,051 Roses and lilies will grow out of my arm. 300 00:17:41,518 --> 00:17:45,230 Today, I'm able to announce far-reaching decisions. 301 00:17:45,314 --> 00:17:48,400 The prohibition of the African National Congress, 302 00:17:48,484 --> 00:17:49,943 the Pan Africanist Congress, 303 00:17:50,027 --> 00:17:52,988 the South African Communist Party, is being rescinded. 304 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:55,783 [politicians cheer and applaud] 305 00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:57,367 [man] Order! Order! 306 00:17:57,451 --> 00:18:01,413 [De Klerk] People serving prison sentences merely because they were members 307 00:18:01,497 --> 00:18:04,917 of one of these organizations will be identified and released. 308 00:18:05,417 --> 00:18:09,588 In this connection, the government has taken a firm decision 309 00:18:09,671 --> 00:18:12,257 to release Mr. Mandela unconditionally. 310 00:18:12,341 --> 00:18:15,219 ["Khala My Friend" by Amanaz playing] 311 00:18:16,804 --> 00:18:21,433 [crowd chanting joyfully] 312 00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:24,144 [jubilant whistling] 313 00:18:29,817 --> 00:18:32,611 ♪ Hello, Khala, my friend ♪ 314 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,408 ♪ Where do you think you're going to? ♪ 315 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:44,790 ♪ And the road you're taking It has no end ♪ 316 00:18:45,916 --> 00:18:49,628 ♪ Khala, my friend, come back to me ♪ 317 00:18:51,505 --> 00:18:56,009 ♪ Khala, my friend 'Cause I'm gonna miss you ♪ 318 00:18:56,093 --> 00:18:57,928 [Sachs] I came back to South Africa. 319 00:18:58,011 --> 00:19:00,222 ♪ Khala, my friend ♪ 320 00:19:02,558 --> 00:19:04,184 ♪ The world is full of... ♪ 321 00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:06,228 Our vote is equal for the first time. 322 00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:09,481 [anchor] At this moment, in South Africa's newly born democracy, 323 00:19:09,565 --> 00:19:13,652 its most revered architect made certain it was well-recorded for posterity, 324 00:19:13,735 --> 00:19:16,280 declaring it the fulfillment of his lifetime struggle. 325 00:19:16,363 --> 00:19:20,993 I have fought very firmly against white domination. 326 00:19:21,785 --> 00:19:26,707 I have fought very firmly against Black domination. 327 00:19:27,541 --> 00:19:32,254 I cherish the idea of a new South Africa. 328 00:19:32,838 --> 00:19:35,841 [Sachs] That's the achievement of the things we were fighting for. 329 00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:39,678 That's the validation of everything. 330 00:19:42,222 --> 00:19:45,559 And then I'm appointed to the Constitutional Court 331 00:19:45,642 --> 00:19:47,853 to guard those things we'd been fighting for. 332 00:19:47,936 --> 00:19:50,814 The last time I appeared in court... 333 00:19:53,901 --> 00:19:55,152 was to hear 334 00:19:57,154 --> 00:19:58,447 whether or not 335 00:20:00,073 --> 00:20:02,034 I was going to be sentenced to death. 336 00:20:03,577 --> 00:20:07,873 Today, I speak not as an accused... 337 00:20:10,083 --> 00:20:11,293 but to inaugurate 338 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:15,422 a court South Africa has never had. 339 00:20:17,841 --> 00:20:18,884 A court 340 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:21,929 on which hinges 341 00:20:22,763 --> 00:20:25,349 the future of our democracy. 342 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,480 And then, perhaps to cap the whole process of soft vengeance, 343 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:34,483 I meet the man who organized the bomb in my car, 344 00:20:34,983 --> 00:20:37,819 Henri van der Westhuizen, going to the Truth Commission. 345 00:20:44,952 --> 00:20:48,163 And he wants to see me before he goes there, 346 00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:51,291 and he comes up to my chambers office, as a judge. 347 00:20:52,459 --> 00:20:54,711 We have an extraordinary conversation. 348 00:20:54,795 --> 00:20:58,757 He tells me about his youth, and how good he was at school, 349 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,093 and how quickly he got ahead in the army. 350 00:21:01,176 --> 00:21:02,761 He's so proud. He got ahead. 351 00:21:02,844 --> 00:21:06,014 He became a top member of the hit squad. [chuckles in disbelief] 352 00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:08,392 And this is where the curiosity in me 353 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,978 is just, like, rather amazed. 354 00:21:11,061 --> 00:21:15,357 There's a naivety to his expression. 355 00:21:15,983 --> 00:21:18,527 And... But he's going to the Truth Commission. 356 00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:20,195 He's gonna tell the story. 357 00:21:20,821 --> 00:21:23,282 It required courage for a soldier to break ranks, 358 00:21:23,365 --> 00:21:24,866 to join the new South Africa. 359 00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:31,123 I forgot about him, and six months later, I'm at a party, 360 00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,751 and, uh, I hear a voice saying, "Albie!" 361 00:21:34,835 --> 00:21:37,087 I look around. It's Henri. I can't believe it. 362 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:39,923 He's beaming. He said, "I went to the Truth Commission, 363 00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:42,050 and I met Bobby...", the one who'd written to me, 364 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,761 "...and Sue and Farouk, and I told them everything, 365 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:48,390 and you said, one day, if we met, maybe you could shake my hand." 366 00:21:48,932 --> 00:21:50,934 And I put out my hand. I shook his hand. 367 00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:53,645 He went away elated. I almost fainted. 368 00:21:54,271 --> 00:21:57,774 But I heard afterwards that he'd broken away from the party, 369 00:21:57,858 --> 00:22:00,235 he'd gone home and cried for two weeks. 370 00:22:00,777 --> 00:22:03,739 I don't know if it's true. I want to believe it's true. 371 00:22:03,822 --> 00:22:06,158 I'd rather not check up and find it's not true. 372 00:22:06,241 --> 00:22:09,369 But for me, that would be more important than sending him to jail. 373 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:12,956 Restorative justice, different forms of accountability, 374 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,375 we're now starting to live in the same country. 375 00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:17,502 For me, that's miraculous. 376 00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:24,051 [interviewer] How is it that you found this capacity for love and forgiveness, 377 00:22:24,134 --> 00:22:25,302 and for... 378 00:22:26,845 --> 00:22:28,430 optimism, generosity? 379 00:22:28,513 --> 00:22:30,265 Where did this come from? 380 00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:34,353 I get asked that all the time, 381 00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:38,940 and I don't want to frighten it away by interrogating it too much. 382 00:22:39,024 --> 00:22:42,527 It's something that's inside you. It's with you. Uh... 383 00:22:46,239 --> 00:22:49,409 1990, Mandela's released. 384 00:22:49,493 --> 00:22:51,912 I'm about to go back to South Africa, 385 00:22:51,995 --> 00:22:55,832 and an American journalist, Tony Lewis, said, uh, 386 00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:59,711 "Albie, you must be very angry now you're going back?" 387 00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:01,171 And he's looking at my arm. 388 00:23:01,922 --> 00:23:05,884 I said, "You know, Tony, I used to feel I'm a failed revolutionary." 389 00:23:05,967 --> 00:23:07,177 I didn't have that rage. 390 00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:10,972 I should've wanted to pick up a knife and plunge it in the back of the guards. 391 00:23:11,056 --> 00:23:13,016 And I saw them as people doing their job. 392 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:16,103 They weren't the worst of the interrogators and so on. 393 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:19,147 And I thought I was a failure. 394 00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:23,819 He said, "You can relax. I've asked the same question of Mandela." 395 00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:26,321 "He's given a similar answer." 396 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:31,326 "And Sisulu and Ahmed Kathrada and Albertina Sisulu." 397 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,286 So I realized it's part of a culture 398 00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:37,499 and all of us involved in this big dream of a free South Africa. 399 00:23:37,999 --> 00:23:41,336 Meeting others, connecting up with others, 400 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:44,798 and finding marvelous sides to ourselves through acting with others, 401 00:23:44,881 --> 00:23:49,052 and it's an optimism that we can live together in one country. 402 00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:54,099 There's a very strong African concept called Ubuntu. 403 00:23:54,182 --> 00:23:56,601 I'm a person because you're a person. 404 00:23:56,685 --> 00:24:01,064 I can't separate my humanity from acknowledging respect to your humanity. 405 00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:03,442 The interdependence of human beings. 406 00:24:04,401 --> 00:24:09,906 And so much of this came from growing up in a struggle 407 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:12,534 that's been led by African people with that... 408 00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:17,330 It's not just the singing and the mood. It's the interactions, uh, the grace. 409 00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:21,293 It's not to say terrible things didn't happen and don't happen, they do. 410 00:24:21,877 --> 00:24:24,588 But there was something of that at the core. 411 00:24:29,217 --> 00:24:31,219 For me, conscience is number one. 412 00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:34,639 Comes before bread, comes before speech rights. 413 00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:37,350 Conscience, it's the core thing of who you are. 414 00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:41,855 And that, if you like, that gyroscope inside you 415 00:24:42,355 --> 00:24:47,819 that centers you and that enables you 416 00:24:49,654 --> 00:24:50,654 to live with a... 417 00:24:52,157 --> 00:24:53,575 significant virtue. 418 00:24:54,201 --> 00:24:58,580 Not because you're obeying commandments and going through rituals, 419 00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:00,332 but because something inside... 420 00:25:00,916 --> 00:25:01,958 it's correct. 421 00:25:02,042 --> 00:25:02,876 It's right. 422 00:25:02,959 --> 00:25:07,464 It fits in with all those things that have made you feel human 423 00:25:07,547 --> 00:25:12,260 and a person of dignity and courage and style and bravura and imagination, 424 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,847 and all those things that are lovely and nice about a person. 425 00:25:15,931 --> 00:25:18,350 Uh, all of them radiate around that, 426 00:25:18,975 --> 00:25:23,438 and I found it hard to lie even to the security police. 427 00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:29,236 Even then it was difficult for me to lie because... 428 00:25:30,111 --> 00:25:32,656 It wasn't, "You're naughty to tell a lie." 429 00:25:32,739 --> 00:25:35,158 It was violating something inside me. 430 00:25:35,242 --> 00:25:36,326 Face the truth, 431 00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:39,246 uh, whatever the consequences. 432 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:42,874 ["Call it Dreaming" by Iron & Wine playing] 433 00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:44,709 Live your life 434 00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:45,794 for yourself. 435 00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:48,838 Don't even model yourself on 436 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:52,551 Albie, who's speaking to you about how to live your life. 437 00:25:52,634 --> 00:25:54,761 Model yourself on yourself. 438 00:25:54,844 --> 00:25:57,764 In that sense, don't follow your dreams, 439 00:25:57,847 --> 00:25:59,933 follow your life. Your dreams follow you. 440 00:26:01,101 --> 00:26:02,769 Whatever that means, "your life," 441 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:07,232 uh, and explore and allow it to reach out 442 00:26:07,315 --> 00:26:08,817 and to take chances and... 443 00:26:09,943 --> 00:26:11,111 and risks. 444 00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:16,616 Not to always go for the well-traveled road, the cozy way. 445 00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:19,202 At one stage, I was telling myself, 446 00:26:19,286 --> 00:26:23,498 "If you've got a choice about some important decision 447 00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:27,752 and the one journey's gonna be hard 448 00:26:28,336 --> 00:26:30,422 and the other one's gonna be much easier, 449 00:26:30,922 --> 00:26:32,007 take the hard one." 450 00:26:33,174 --> 00:26:36,303 Because you've done more than just get from point A to point B. 451 00:26:36,386 --> 00:26:38,805 You've traversed some difficulties. 452 00:26:38,888 --> 00:26:41,641 You've explored, you've risked, you've gained something. 453 00:26:43,852 --> 00:26:46,271 - [unheard dialogue] - [interviewer] Last question. 454 00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:52,235 What advice, if you had the chance to give your 20-year-old self some advice, 455 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:53,528 looking back on your life, 456 00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:55,822 if you could say one thing to that young man... 457 00:26:55,905 --> 00:26:56,906 I could say... 458 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:00,035 "Keep on dreaming." 459 00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:02,537 "Keep on dreaming." 460 00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:08,084 ♪ You can have mine