1 00:00:06,466 --> 00:00:09,010 ‎(本片有以未成年人為對象之 ‎寫實性虐待描述) 2 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:10,595 ‎(可能會造成部分觀眾不適) 3 00:00:10,678 --> 00:00:12,180 ‎(若您或朋友曾遭遇性暴力) 4 00:00:12,263 --> 00:00:14,057 ‎(請至wannatalkaboutit.com求助) 5 00:00:20,646 --> 00:00:22,273 ‎-妳從來不覺得這不好嗎? ‎-對 6 00:00:22,356 --> 00:00:23,941 ‎(2018年製作人手冊採訪錄音) 7 00:00:24,025 --> 00:00:25,359 ‎-所以妳無條件服從嗎? ‎-對 8 00:00:26,152 --> 00:00:27,361 ‎那一點都不奇怪 9 00:00:27,445 --> 00:00:28,780 ‎為什麼妳覺得不奇怪? 10 00:00:28,863 --> 00:00:30,615 ‎所以他要求,妳們就要照做嗎? 11 00:00:30,698 --> 00:00:32,784 ‎如果他要求 ‎跟女性發生性關係也一樣? 12 00:00:33,576 --> 00:00:34,827 ‎因為堂會長不是普通人 13 00:00:35,536 --> 00:00:36,662 ‎這樣就沒問題了 14 00:00:36,746 --> 00:00:39,707 ‎牧師父親說那不是罪,那就不是罪 15 00:00:42,627 --> 00:00:44,253 ‎“愛我就要做這些” 16 00:00:44,921 --> 00:00:46,047 ‎因為他是神 17 00:00:46,589 --> 00:00:48,466 ‎他說“我想看妳的胸部” 18 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:50,259 ‎然後問我能不能脫衣服 19 00:00:50,927 --> 00:00:52,762 ‎還一直叫我發出聲音 20 00:00:53,596 --> 00:00:54,680 ‎他很仔細地 21 00:00:54,764 --> 00:00:57,016 ‎觀察我的那個地方 22 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:58,726 ‎非常仔細地端詳 23 00:01:00,103 --> 00:01:02,313 ‎即便我有瑕疵、有缺點 24 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:05,274 ‎即使我去親吻別人 25 00:01:06,734 --> 00:01:08,945 ‎即使我跟別人躺在一起 26 00:01:09,028 --> 00:01:10,988 ‎我也相信各位會原諒我 27 00:01:11,489 --> 00:01:13,282 ‎我在上帝面前非常坦蕩 28 00:01:13,366 --> 00:01:15,326 ‎我真的一點也不愧對上帝 29 00:01:19,038 --> 00:01:20,706 ‎(萬民教會) 30 00:01:21,749 --> 00:01:22,583 ‎(萬民教會) 31 00:01:24,752 --> 00:01:26,504 ‎《以神之名:信仰的背叛》 32 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:44,105 ‎各位親愛的萬民信徒 33 00:01:45,356 --> 00:01:48,776 ‎歡迎您來到牧者之城 34 00:01:54,282 --> 00:01:55,658 ‎我們的天父 35 00:01:55,741 --> 00:01:57,827 ‎為了各位萬民信徒 36 00:01:58,870 --> 00:02:02,248 ‎準備了如此美麗的地方 37 00:02:05,877 --> 00:02:07,712 ‎天國共分為五層 38 00:02:07,795 --> 00:02:09,172 ‎其中第一層呢 39 00:02:10,214 --> 00:02:11,966 ‎是一個叫“樂園”的場所 40 00:02:12,049 --> 00:02:13,050 ‎(樂園) 41 00:02:13,134 --> 00:02:14,969 ‎第二層則是“一層天” 42 00:02:15,052 --> 00:02:16,095 ‎(一層天) 43 00:02:16,762 --> 00:02:18,556 ‎再上去是“二層天” 44 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:19,515 ‎(二層天) 45 00:02:20,016 --> 00:02:21,142 ‎再上去是“三層天” 46 00:02:21,225 --> 00:02:22,059 ‎(三層天) 47 00:02:22,685 --> 00:02:24,687 ‎最後則是“新耶路撒冷” 48 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:27,440 ‎(新耶路撒冷) 49 00:02:27,523 --> 00:02:30,318 ‎樂園的人們會永遠生活在草地上 50 00:02:30,401 --> 00:02:31,319 ‎(信仰的虔誠度) 51 00:02:31,402 --> 00:02:32,945 ‎一層天有公寓 52 00:02:33,446 --> 00:02:35,990 ‎二層天能有一棟獨棟住宅 53 00:02:36,073 --> 00:02:37,742 ‎三層天會獲得一座城堡 54 00:02:38,242 --> 00:02:39,368 ‎到了新耶路撒冷 55 00:02:39,452 --> 00:02:42,496 ‎就能獲得一座像宮殿一樣的城堡 ‎他是這樣告訴我們的 56 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,876 ‎如此美麗且無比耀眼燦爛的 ‎新耶路撒冷 57 00:02:47,376 --> 00:02:49,295 ‎我們竟能夠前往那裡 58 00:02:49,378 --> 00:02:50,796 ‎多麼令人感激 59 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,174 ‎天父,謝謝祢! 60 00:02:55,426 --> 00:02:59,180 ‎其中是否有各位想擁有的房子呢? 61 00:02:59,263 --> 00:03:00,097 ‎阿門 62 00:03:00,181 --> 00:03:01,140 ‎是的 63 00:03:01,224 --> 00:03:02,725 ‎本城非常寬敞 64 00:03:03,226 --> 00:03:04,227 ‎那裡十分寬敞 65 00:03:04,810 --> 00:03:09,106 ‎佔地可以說是有上百萬坪 66 00:03:09,190 --> 00:03:12,360 ‎裡面有大海,也有各位喜歡的湖泊 67 00:03:12,443 --> 00:03:14,487 ‎我活著就是為了去那裡 68 00:03:14,570 --> 00:03:15,571 ‎(退出萬民教會者) 69 00:03:15,655 --> 00:03:16,739 ‎那是最好的地方 70 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,116 ‎是距離天父的寶座最近的地方 71 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,534 ‎因為要靠“信仰的虔誠度” 72 00:03:20,618 --> 00:03:21,702 ‎(金明俊) 73 00:03:21,786 --> 00:03:23,204 ‎萬民教會就開始利用這點 74 00:03:23,287 --> 00:03:26,999 ‎他們會說“這是你現在的信仰虔誠度” 75 00:03:27,083 --> 00:03:28,834 ‎然後在紙上寫下數字分給大家 76 00:03:28,918 --> 00:03:30,836 ‎邊分邊說“你的信仰是第二層30%” 77 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:32,588 ‎“你的信仰是第三層70%” 78 00:03:32,672 --> 00:03:35,174 ‎人們對此感到非常興奮 79 00:03:35,716 --> 00:03:37,134 ‎但也變得非常焦慮 80 00:03:37,218 --> 00:03:39,262 ‎信仰虔誠度高的人 81 00:03:39,345 --> 00:03:41,764 ‎就會變得很出名,然後不斷往上升 82 00:03:42,306 --> 00:03:43,849 ‎信仰虔誠度不高的人 83 00:03:43,933 --> 00:03:45,184 ‎就會被徹底淘汰 84 00:03:45,726 --> 00:03:47,061 ‎漸漸被冷落 85 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,316 ‎大家瘋狂地想拿到更高的信仰虔誠度 86 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,610 ‎從那之後我就更努力傳道 87 00:03:54,694 --> 00:03:57,321 ‎更努力奉獻、更努力投資 88 00:03:58,864 --> 00:03:59,949 ‎太棒了! 89 00:04:00,032 --> 00:04:01,200 ‎我… 90 00:04:01,284 --> 00:04:03,494 ‎應該是升到了第四層的3% 91 00:04:03,577 --> 00:04:04,412 ‎(第四層) 92 00:04:04,495 --> 00:04:05,329 ‎(第三層) 93 00:04:05,413 --> 00:04:09,208 ‎我拿到第三層的40%左右 94 00:04:09,792 --> 00:04:10,918 ‎我是第三層… 95 00:04:11,002 --> 00:04:11,919 ‎(第三層) 96 00:04:12,003 --> 00:04:13,963 ‎…好像是百分之60幾吧 97 00:04:14,463 --> 00:04:17,717 ‎至少要到第三層60% ‎才會是萬民中央教會的“磐石” 98 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:18,801 ‎(李廣吾,已退出) 99 00:04:18,884 --> 00:04:20,386 ‎我很早就拿到這個等級 100 00:04:20,469 --> 00:04:22,513 ‎其實能很快拿到這個等級 ‎讓我非常開心 101 00:04:22,596 --> 00:04:24,807 ‎我那時候好像是第800名吧 102 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:26,684 ‎在大概1萬5千人當中排800名 103 00:04:27,268 --> 00:04:28,811 ‎那是在天國的順序 104 00:04:28,894 --> 00:04:29,979 ‎第800名 105 00:04:30,521 --> 00:04:32,189 ‎是很前面的名次了 106 00:04:32,273 --> 00:04:33,899 ‎(萬民中央教會) 107 00:04:33,983 --> 00:04:36,193 ‎有些是無法成為磐石的人 108 00:04:36,777 --> 00:04:38,904 ‎這麼多年來都沒聽過上帝說話 109 00:04:39,405 --> 00:04:41,490 ‎從來沒見過上帝的面孔 110 00:04:43,034 --> 00:04:45,244 ‎沒能見證這些,都是有原因的 111 00:04:45,328 --> 00:04:46,912 ‎你必須自己領悟 112 00:04:46,996 --> 00:04:48,998 ‎回想起來,信仰的虔誠度 113 00:04:49,081 --> 00:04:50,624 ‎就是捐很多錢的人很高 114 00:04:50,708 --> 00:04:52,418 ‎不捐錢的人就很低 115 00:04:52,501 --> 00:04:54,462 ‎這是我自己得出的結論 116 00:05:01,469 --> 00:05:06,015 ‎(不可偷盜) 117 00:05:06,098 --> 00:05:07,308 ‎(萬民中央教會) 118 00:05:07,391 --> 00:05:10,519 ‎這一次的講道,其實與地獄有關 119 00:05:10,603 --> 00:05:13,856 ‎是針對地獄的延伸講道 120 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:15,941 ‎不做什一奉獻、不捐獻時 121 00:05:16,025 --> 00:05:20,112 ‎各位就要知道 ‎你將會面臨上帝的詛咒 122 00:05:20,196 --> 00:05:21,030 ‎阿門 123 00:05:21,113 --> 00:05:22,531 ‎我實在看得太多了 124 00:05:23,032 --> 00:05:25,868 ‎所以有人會說他遇到車禍之類的意外 125 00:05:25,951 --> 00:05:29,663 ‎會說他骨頭斷了、哪裡骨折了 126 00:05:29,747 --> 00:05:32,750 ‎再不然就是有腦出血的狀況 127 00:05:33,376 --> 00:05:34,627 ‎絕對都是不奉獻的人 128 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:36,003 ‎不用問也知道 129 00:05:36,545 --> 00:05:38,339 ‎他們肯定沒有好好做什一奉獻 130 00:05:49,809 --> 00:05:50,768 ‎感謝捐獻 131 00:05:51,352 --> 00:05:52,561 ‎建設捐獻 132 00:05:53,145 --> 00:05:54,105 ‎救助捐獻 133 00:05:54,688 --> 00:05:55,648 ‎特別捐獻 134 00:05:56,232 --> 00:05:57,566 ‎讀經小組捐獻 135 00:05:58,150 --> 00:05:59,318 ‎收割節捐獻 136 00:05:59,902 --> 00:06:01,028 ‎復活節捐獻 137 00:06:01,612 --> 00:06:03,823 ‎還有一種聖誕節捐獻 138 00:06:04,407 --> 00:06:05,658 ‎什一奉獻 139 00:06:06,242 --> 00:06:07,952 ‎什一奉獻的金額還要額外加稅 140 00:06:10,538 --> 00:06:13,416 ‎有些人以自己沒有工作為由 141 00:06:13,499 --> 00:06:16,627 ‎說他沒有收入可以做什一奉獻 142 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:19,964 ‎但每個人都應該能夠做什一奉獻 143 00:06:20,548 --> 00:06:22,091 ‎即使是年紀很小的孩子 144 00:06:22,174 --> 00:06:24,260 ‎也會有壓歲錢或零用錢 145 00:06:24,343 --> 00:06:26,720 ‎還有出生一百天的賀禮、周歲賀禮 146 00:06:26,804 --> 00:06:28,055 ‎及生日禮物等收入 147 00:06:28,139 --> 00:06:30,433 ‎父母親只要用這些收入 148 00:06:30,516 --> 00:06:34,145 ‎以孩子的名義進行什一奉獻就好 149 00:06:39,316 --> 00:06:43,070 ‎萬民教會交錢的方式有兩種 150 00:06:43,154 --> 00:06:44,697 ‎分別是捐款和禮物 151 00:06:44,780 --> 00:06:48,284 ‎放進捐款信封裡交出去的錢就叫捐款 152 00:06:48,367 --> 00:06:50,369 ‎禮物是不經由正式管道捐出去的錢 153 00:06:51,203 --> 00:06:53,122 ‎捐款跟禮物是不一樣的 154 00:06:53,205 --> 00:06:56,083 ‎因為捐款跟禮物兩者是分開的 155 00:06:56,167 --> 00:06:58,127 ‎所以那個教會裡的信徒 156 00:06:58,210 --> 00:06:59,587 ‎真的沒什麼錢能過生活 157 00:06:59,670 --> 00:07:02,423 ‎但他們還是會拿出好幾萬韓元來捐款 158 00:07:02,506 --> 00:07:04,967 ‎即使要負債,他們也要送禮物 159 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:08,345 ‎他們經常會要教會的信徒 160 00:07:08,846 --> 00:07:10,473 ‎跟對方競爭 161 00:07:10,556 --> 00:07:13,017 ‎會公布誰捐最多 ‎會說第一名是某某人 162 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:16,604 ‎第二是某某長老、第三是哪個長老 163 00:07:17,313 --> 00:07:19,023 ‎“第七名,是這位李廣吾” 164 00:07:19,106 --> 00:07:21,358 ‎我這樣捐款也捐了24年 165 00:07:21,442 --> 00:07:23,944 ‎就我所知總金額超過十億韓元 166 00:07:24,028 --> 00:07:26,947 ‎我們全家的捐款加總起來 ‎我想也超過十億韓元 167 00:07:27,031 --> 00:07:29,283 ‎用最低金額去算,大概有八億韓元吧 168 00:07:29,366 --> 00:07:31,952 ‎但在我看來,應該至少超過十億 169 00:07:32,453 --> 00:07:34,705 ‎在金錢方面遭剝削的人真的很多 170 00:07:34,788 --> 00:07:35,956 ‎(張號其製作人) 171 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,418 ‎他們幾乎是用自己的人生 ‎來填滿萬民教會的金庫 172 00:07:40,002 --> 00:07:42,880 ‎他洗腦所有人,而洗腦的用意 173 00:07:42,963 --> 00:07:44,173 ‎(張雲哲記者) 174 00:07:44,256 --> 00:07:46,467 ‎就是為了自己的利益 175 00:07:47,009 --> 00:07:48,177 ‎真是很壞的一個人 176 00:07:56,101 --> 00:07:58,729 ‎去萬民教會的人 177 00:07:58,812 --> 00:08:01,482 ‎從生活水準來看 ‎很多都是社會底層的人 178 00:08:01,565 --> 00:08:02,691 ‎(已退出之教會職員) 179 00:08:02,775 --> 00:08:04,693 ‎從每月收入水準來看 180 00:08:04,777 --> 00:08:07,905 ‎可以說萬民教會信徒大多數 181 00:08:07,988 --> 00:08:09,949 ‎都是生活在最底層的人 182 00:08:10,032 --> 00:08:12,159 ‎即便如此,他們仍然經常捐款、送禮 183 00:08:12,243 --> 00:08:13,285 ‎(萬民中央教會) 184 00:08:14,411 --> 00:08:16,080 ‎為什麼他們能拿出這麼多錢? 185 00:08:16,580 --> 00:08:17,498 ‎因為他們去打工 186 00:08:17,581 --> 00:08:19,458 ‎-是 ‎-把這拿過去 187 00:08:22,086 --> 00:08:25,589 ‎很多家庭主婦拼命打工賺錢 188 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:29,260 ‎捐款500萬韓元、1000萬韓元 189 00:08:29,343 --> 00:08:31,303 ‎他們不僅沒有足夠的錢能過生活 190 00:08:31,387 --> 00:08:33,430 ‎甚至還有很多人因此負債 191 00:08:33,514 --> 00:08:34,807 ‎一般教會禮拜結束後 192 00:08:34,890 --> 00:08:35,975 ‎信徒都會離開教會 193 00:08:36,058 --> 00:08:37,101 ‎(邊成廣製作人) 194 00:08:37,184 --> 00:08:39,812 ‎但萬民中央教會的禮拜結束後 ‎信徒會在外面排隊 195 00:08:40,896 --> 00:08:43,524 ‎-牧師! ‎-牧師! 196 00:08:43,607 --> 00:08:44,817 ‎-堂會長先生 ‎-你好 197 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:47,194 ‎我們一家三代都支持您! 198 00:08:47,278 --> 00:08:48,445 ‎好,謝謝 199 00:08:48,529 --> 00:08:50,698 ‎如果握著李載祿的手請他幫忙禱告 200 00:08:50,781 --> 00:08:51,949 ‎車子就會停下來 201 00:08:54,952 --> 00:08:57,454 ‎接下來就是A信徒禱告一分鐘 202 00:08:57,538 --> 00:08:58,956 ‎然後禱告20秒、30秒 203 00:09:00,416 --> 00:09:03,794 ‎車子裡會有個人專門收裝錢的信封 204 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:05,588 ‎我們稱他為企劃室長 205 00:09:06,088 --> 00:09:08,173 ‎就我所知 ‎信封裡裝的最多到上百萬韓元 206 00:09:08,257 --> 00:09:11,927 ‎有上千人這樣送上現金 ‎只為了獲得李載祿的祝福禱告 207 00:09:12,011 --> 00:09:13,929 ‎-願主親自將手按在你的頭上 ‎-阿門 208 00:09:14,013 --> 00:09:15,598 ‎(2007年11月1日失業者聚會) 209 00:09:15,681 --> 00:09:18,767 ‎願主能吟誦聖靈滿溢的感動與感召 210 00:09:18,851 --> 00:09:19,768 ‎阿門 211 00:09:19,852 --> 00:09:21,687 ‎願主讓光芒指引我們 212 00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:22,730 ‎阿門 213 00:09:22,813 --> 00:09:25,357 ‎裡面會舉辦失業的信徒聚會 214 00:09:25,441 --> 00:09:27,318 ‎都是一些捐很多錢的人 215 00:09:27,401 --> 00:09:29,486 ‎我們受邀去參加那個聚會 216 00:09:29,570 --> 00:09:31,238 ‎去到那個地方 217 00:09:31,322 --> 00:09:33,657 ‎每個人又要支出個300萬、500萬 218 00:09:33,741 --> 00:09:35,618 ‎八月的什一奉獻… 219 00:09:36,118 --> 00:09:40,247 ‎捐獻超過千萬元的人 220 00:09:40,331 --> 00:09:42,916 ‎還只有…六、七人左右吧 221 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,127 ‎但現在已經超過12人了 222 00:09:45,210 --> 00:09:46,170 ‎阿門 223 00:09:46,253 --> 00:09:48,297 ‎-天父一定很高興 ‎-是啊 224 00:09:48,380 --> 00:09:50,132 ‎接下來就依序接受禱告吧 225 00:09:50,215 --> 00:09:51,592 ‎-好 ‎-這邊 226 00:09:52,426 --> 00:09:54,345 ‎-好 ‎-快出來吧 227 00:09:54,428 --> 00:09:56,472 ‎-好 ‎-我們抱一下吧 228 00:09:57,473 --> 00:09:59,141 ‎我幫牧師您換了台車 229 00:09:59,767 --> 00:10:01,101 ‎這是哪裡的車? 230 00:10:01,185 --> 00:10:03,103 ‎是德國製的車 231 00:10:04,021 --> 00:10:07,399 ‎天父現在正親自將手放在這台車上 232 00:10:07,483 --> 00:10:08,317 ‎阿門 233 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,027 ‎-也把手放在鑰匙上 ‎-阿門 234 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:11,654 ‎-迎接光芒吧 ‎-阿門 235 00:10:11,737 --> 00:10:13,906 ‎我們以主耶穌基督之名禱告 236 00:10:13,989 --> 00:10:15,199 ‎-阿門 ‎-阿門 237 00:10:18,911 --> 00:10:21,664 ‎想跟牧師一起拍照,就必須要付錢 238 00:10:22,748 --> 00:10:24,917 ‎我不記得確切的金額 239 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,586 ‎最一開始最少要幾十萬韓元 240 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:31,674 ‎後來想跟牧師拍照的信徒越來越多 241 00:10:32,174 --> 00:10:34,510 ‎就變成至少要交100萬韓元 ‎才能跟他拍照 242 00:10:34,593 --> 00:10:38,222 ‎我知道有人為了跟他拍照 ‎捐獻了1000萬韓元 243 00:10:54,113 --> 00:10:56,031 ‎這些都是交了錢之後拍的合照 244 00:10:58,367 --> 00:11:00,661 ‎我有超過40張跟他合照的照片 245 00:11:06,125 --> 00:11:09,002 ‎如果一張1000萬韓元的話 ‎這樣也超過兩億了 246 00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:11,797 ‎(萬民中央教會書店) 247 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,425 ‎萬民教會經營了一間萬民書店 248 00:11:14,508 --> 00:11:15,676 ‎(特大祝禱相框8萬元) 249 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:17,469 ‎販賣用李載祿照片裱框製成的相框 250 00:11:17,553 --> 00:11:18,971 ‎(大祝禱相框5萬元) 251 00:11:19,054 --> 00:11:22,057 ‎再不然就是賣一些像是鑰匙圈 ‎手冊之類的周邊商品 252 00:11:22,141 --> 00:11:23,892 ‎後來大家就開始買那些東西 253 00:11:24,393 --> 00:11:27,104 ‎從某個角度來看 ‎這真是很精明的商業手法 254 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:30,607 ‎我覺得其中最有趣的 ‎應該是“務安甜水” 255 00:11:34,111 --> 00:11:36,655 ‎為了讓大家更方便使用務安甜水 256 00:11:36,739 --> 00:11:38,907 ‎他們還做成噴霧瓶的形式 257 00:11:38,991 --> 00:11:39,825 ‎(務安甜水) 258 00:11:39,908 --> 00:11:41,618 ‎真的很誇張,但還是賣得很好 259 00:11:41,702 --> 00:11:43,996 ‎說噴在沒有雙眼皮的地方 ‎就會有雙眼皮 260 00:11:44,580 --> 00:11:46,957 ‎說朝著壞掉的洗衣機噴 ‎就能把洗衣機修好 261 00:11:49,001 --> 00:11:50,127 ‎務安甜水的奇蹟 262 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:52,838 ‎也發生在故障的洗衣機上 263 00:11:52,921 --> 00:11:55,883 ‎我噴了一下,然後重新鎖上 ‎再把水龍頭打開 264 00:11:55,966 --> 00:11:57,301 ‎就完全不漏水了 265 00:11:57,384 --> 00:12:00,137 ‎現在只要把水龍頭打開 ‎就能正常洗衣服 266 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:01,930 ‎現在運作得非常順暢 267 00:12:02,014 --> 00:12:03,640 ‎好像是天氣太冷才會這樣 268 00:12:04,308 --> 00:12:05,809 ‎打不開耶,怎麼辦? 269 00:12:05,893 --> 00:12:08,270 ‎花了將近50分鐘還是打不開的門 270 00:12:08,854 --> 00:12:10,063 ‎在噴了務安甜水之後 271 00:12:10,856 --> 00:12:13,358 ‎立刻就喀嚓一聲打開了 272 00:12:21,909 --> 00:12:23,202 ‎(務安萬民教會) 273 00:12:23,285 --> 00:12:24,995 ‎務安甜水這東西在萬民教徒心中 274 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:26,371 ‎(堂會長:李載祿牧師) 275 00:12:26,455 --> 00:12:27,623 ‎就像包治百病的萬靈丹 276 00:12:28,207 --> 00:12:31,418 ‎他們主張因為務安甜水 ‎經過李載祿的禱告 277 00:12:31,502 --> 00:12:33,921 ‎所以裡面有光、有上帝的權能 278 00:12:34,004 --> 00:12:35,839 ‎(請使井水充滿靈能…) 279 00:12:36,757 --> 00:12:39,218 ‎所以他們聲稱喝下或是塗抹甜水 280 00:12:39,301 --> 00:12:42,429 ‎就能夠體驗到某種特殊的奇蹟 281 00:12:49,019 --> 00:12:50,771 ‎裡面有一個叫做“信箱”的東西 282 00:12:50,854 --> 00:12:53,232 ‎那就像電話自動答錄機 ‎信徒打電話過去 283 00:12:53,857 --> 00:12:57,528 ‎就會聽到李載祿牧師事先錄好的內容 284 00:12:57,611 --> 00:12:59,446 ‎這裡是萬民中央聖潔教會 285 00:12:59,530 --> 00:13:02,449 ‎想聽李載祿牧師 ‎一日之始的禱告請按10 286 00:13:02,533 --> 00:13:04,284 ‎祈求健康的禱告請按20 287 00:13:04,368 --> 00:13:06,119 ‎三分鐘講道請按30 288 00:13:06,203 --> 00:13:07,704 ‎替病患禱告請按40 289 00:13:07,788 --> 00:13:10,666 ‎我爺爺去世之前 290 00:13:11,166 --> 00:13:12,876 ‎住院住了很久 291 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,753 ‎我很希望他能夠好起來 292 00:13:14,837 --> 00:13:16,129 ‎所以就幫他戴上耳機 293 00:13:16,213 --> 00:13:18,924 ‎播李載祿為病患做的禱告給他聽 294 00:13:19,758 --> 00:13:22,386 ‎我要開始為病患進行禱告 295 00:13:22,469 --> 00:13:25,639 ‎接受禱告時,請把手放在 ‎疼痛或不舒服的部位 296 00:13:25,722 --> 00:13:28,308 ‎沒有生病的人請把手放在胸前… 297 00:13:28,392 --> 00:13:29,893 ‎他聽了一下之後 298 00:13:30,727 --> 00:13:34,273 ‎就看著我,好像希望我把耳機拿走 299 00:13:34,356 --> 00:13:36,567 ‎我跟他說,我希望他能夠把禱告聽完 300 00:13:37,442 --> 00:13:39,027 ‎所以我爺爺才把禱告聽完 301 00:13:40,195 --> 00:13:41,780 ‎我應該要多跟爺爺說幾句話 302 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:44,449 ‎應該多去探望他,而不是讓他聽禱告 303 00:13:49,538 --> 00:13:51,665 ‎從結果來看,都是為了錢 304 00:13:52,249 --> 00:13:53,917 ‎雖然教會拼命否認說不是 305 00:13:54,001 --> 00:13:55,669 ‎但教會真的累積了很多財富 306 00:13:55,752 --> 00:13:57,004 ‎(奉獻禮拜,目標15億) 307 00:13:57,087 --> 00:13:58,213 ‎(高額捐款優待方案) 308 00:13:58,297 --> 00:13:59,256 ‎捐300萬韓元的話 309 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:01,925 ‎他會跟捐300萬以上的人一起見面 310 00:14:02,009 --> 00:14:02,926 ‎捐超過500萬元 311 00:14:03,010 --> 00:14:05,220 ‎他會再跟捐超過500萬的人見面 312 00:14:05,304 --> 00:14:07,055 ‎捐超過1000萬也有另外的聚會 313 00:14:07,139 --> 00:14:09,266 ‎最後是單獨跟捐最多的人見面 314 00:14:09,349 --> 00:14:11,310 ‎能單獨見面的人通常是捐一億 315 00:14:12,603 --> 00:14:15,439 ‎捐這麼多錢的人 ‎在教會能獲得怎樣的待遇? 316 00:14:16,273 --> 00:14:17,858 ‎教會的待遇… 317 00:14:17,941 --> 00:14:21,528 ‎他們會提供我們像是貴賓一樣的服務 318 00:14:22,112 --> 00:14:24,781 ‎有些人會穿很漂亮的韓服去教會 319 00:14:24,865 --> 00:14:27,034 ‎這些人在教會裡會有特別的位置 320 00:14:28,368 --> 00:14:31,288 ‎他們會特別安排,就在教堂的最前面 321 00:14:32,414 --> 00:14:34,708 ‎他們在萬民教會裡 ‎就成為大家羨慕的對象 322 00:14:34,791 --> 00:14:37,294 ‎大家會想“哇,那可不是 ‎隨便誰都能坐的位置 323 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:39,212 ‎他們捐了很多錢 324 00:14:39,296 --> 00:14:40,964 ‎也聽了很多堂會長的教導” 325 00:14:41,048 --> 00:14:45,010 ‎老實說當時聽到這些話 ‎心裡當然是很高興 326 00:14:45,093 --> 00:14:46,678 ‎我爸爸為了那個教會… 327 00:14:46,762 --> 00:14:47,763 ‎(退出萬民教會者) 328 00:14:47,846 --> 00:14:49,973 ‎…每年在捐款禮拜時,至少捐300萬 329 00:14:50,057 --> 00:14:51,391 ‎最多會捐到幾千萬元 330 00:14:51,475 --> 00:14:53,727 ‎讓我姐姐可以坐在教堂最前面 331 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:55,646 ‎交出去的錢越多 332 00:14:55,729 --> 00:14:57,856 ‎就越有權力可以坐在教堂最前面 333 00:14:59,483 --> 00:15:01,360 ‎坐在最前面為什麼這麼重要? 334 00:15:02,027 --> 00:15:03,111 ‎因為可以… 335 00:15:03,654 --> 00:15:05,197 ‎在最前面看著牧師 336 00:15:11,161 --> 00:15:14,373 ‎(不可殺人) 337 00:15:16,625 --> 00:15:20,837 ‎疾病是犯罪後遭受詛咒的結果 338 00:15:20,921 --> 00:15:23,256 ‎如果你不犯罪,就不會生病 339 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:26,885 ‎各位都不犯罪,聽從上帝的指示 ‎有誰生病了嗎? 340 00:15:27,511 --> 00:15:28,512 ‎阿門 341 00:15:29,554 --> 00:15:31,348 ‎如果一個人得了絕症 342 00:15:31,431 --> 00:15:35,268 ‎就表示這個人犯了死罪 ‎犯了會讓他沒命的罪 343 00:15:35,894 --> 00:15:38,563 ‎“沒有犯罪就不會生病 ‎因為你有罪,所以你生病了” 344 00:15:38,647 --> 00:15:42,651 ‎所以很多人認為 ‎去醫院看病就是信仰不足 345 00:15:42,734 --> 00:15:46,029 ‎因為李載祿總是會很驕傲地說 346 00:15:46,738 --> 00:15:48,240 ‎“我們的信徒不會生病” 347 00:15:48,824 --> 00:15:49,992 ‎所以實際上 348 00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:51,952 ‎有一些真的很小的病 349 00:15:52,035 --> 00:15:54,579 ‎有些早期治療就不會有問題的病 350 00:15:54,663 --> 00:15:55,956 ‎卻因為只去找李載祿禱告 351 00:15:56,540 --> 00:15:58,250 ‎最後有很多人因為肺結核而死 352 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,377 ‎幾乎可以說自從萬民創教以來 353 00:16:00,877 --> 00:16:03,380 ‎肺結核就一直在教內傳染 ‎以前就有這個問題 354 00:16:03,964 --> 00:16:06,216 ‎藝能委員會的平均年齡,大概是… 355 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:09,344 ‎20多歲到30多歲左右 356 00:16:09,428 --> 00:16:13,724 ‎大家都在裡面一起唱歌、跳舞 357 00:16:13,807 --> 00:16:15,434 ‎再加上每個人都很年輕 358 00:16:15,517 --> 00:16:16,893 ‎所以組織就更活躍了 359 00:16:17,394 --> 00:16:18,562 ‎化身成為 360 00:16:18,645 --> 00:16:19,813 ‎化身成為 361 00:16:22,816 --> 00:16:25,235 ‎喜悅的果實 362 00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:27,863 ‎喜悅的果實 363 00:16:27,946 --> 00:16:31,241 ‎被賜予的愛 364 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:33,785 ‎都是一些特別漂亮的人 365 00:16:33,869 --> 00:16:36,705 ‎被叫去那裡 366 00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:42,210 ‎我太太… 367 00:16:43,253 --> 00:16:44,254 ‎(退出萬民教會者) 368 00:16:44,337 --> 00:16:47,215 ‎在2006年過世了 369 00:16:52,387 --> 00:16:55,474 ‎敬愛的各位信徒,我是金主播 370 00:16:55,557 --> 00:16:57,684 ‎繼上次的一百回特輯後 371 00:16:57,768 --> 00:17:01,021 ‎天父透過堂會長所施展的權能… 372 00:17:01,104 --> 00:17:01,980 ‎那位姐姐 373 00:17:02,064 --> 00:17:04,649 ‎是隸屬哈利路亞傳教團的漂亮姐姐 374 00:17:04,733 --> 00:17:05,567 ‎(退出教會者) 375 00:17:05,650 --> 00:17:08,528 ‎她的身材非常纖瘦 376 00:17:08,612 --> 00:17:10,906 ‎聲音也非常有女人味 377 00:17:13,533 --> 00:17:14,701 ‎有一天她刷牙的時候 378 00:17:15,202 --> 00:17:17,996 ‎突然嘴裡含著泡沫跑來找我 379 00:17:19,915 --> 00:17:20,832 ‎說她吐血了 380 00:17:22,626 --> 00:17:24,961 ‎我就說這樣要去醫院檢查 381 00:17:28,924 --> 00:17:30,008 ‎檢查出是肺結核 382 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:34,054 ‎教會說要靠信仰獲得治療 383 00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:36,556 ‎她的傳教團又被稱讚信仰很虔誠 384 00:17:37,933 --> 00:17:39,351 ‎所以剛被診斷出得病時 385 00:17:42,020 --> 00:17:43,939 ‎她就說要靠信仰獲得治療 386 00:17:47,859 --> 00:17:50,987 ‎她說“我這輩子心中都只能有李載祿 387 00:17:51,071 --> 00:17:54,157 ‎但我卻結婚了,所以才會得這種病 388 00:17:54,241 --> 00:17:55,909 ‎我會就這樣死掉” 389 00:17:56,409 --> 00:17:58,495 ‎人都快要死了,還責怪自己犯了罪 390 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,873 ‎如果一個人得了絕症 391 00:18:01,957 --> 00:18:05,836 ‎就表示這個人犯了死罪 ‎犯了會讓他沒命的罪 392 00:18:28,942 --> 00:18:30,193 ‎她臨終時 393 00:18:32,112 --> 00:18:33,029 ‎真的… 394 00:18:33,864 --> 00:18:35,031 ‎整個人骨瘦如柴 395 00:18:36,116 --> 00:18:38,743 ‎肺已經萎縮到沒有辦法發揮功能 396 00:18:41,580 --> 00:18:42,414 ‎就這樣… 397 00:18:44,875 --> 00:18:46,209 ‎痛苦地離開了 398 00:19:01,349 --> 00:19:02,767 ‎其實除了肺結核之外 399 00:19:02,851 --> 00:19:06,104 ‎受癌症所苦的信徒特別多 400 00:19:06,188 --> 00:19:08,940 ‎看著他們,我會想 ‎“所謂的信仰究竟是什麼? 401 00:19:09,024 --> 00:19:12,027 ‎竟然讓這麼多人生病卻不求助醫院 402 00:19:12,110 --> 00:19:14,279 ‎就這樣病死,這真的是信仰嗎?” 403 00:19:14,362 --> 00:19:15,530 ‎我真的想了很多 404 00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:22,954 ‎(不可姦淫) 405 00:19:23,038 --> 00:19:25,874 ‎各位之所以會受到魔鬼的影響 406 00:19:25,957 --> 00:19:28,001 ‎一方面是因為魔鬼… 407 00:19:28,084 --> 00:19:29,502 ‎我經常在講道時提到 408 00:19:29,586 --> 00:19:32,172 ‎一方面是因為有些人犯了姦淫之罪 409 00:19:32,797 --> 00:19:36,468 ‎這些姦淫之人 ‎不會知道他們被魔鬼附身 410 00:19:38,011 --> 00:19:40,388 ‎因為有姦淫之氣 ‎他們才會想行姦淫之事 411 00:19:40,472 --> 00:19:42,849 ‎所以他們才會這麼放縱,才會犯罪 412 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:44,601 ‎他們不知道自己被附身 413 00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:46,770 ‎正在被魔鬼操縱 414 00:19:46,853 --> 00:19:50,482 ‎李載祿非常強調姦淫這個部分 415 00:19:50,565 --> 00:19:52,317 ‎很強調要區分男女關係 416 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,361 ‎所以他真的很常說 417 00:19:54,444 --> 00:19:56,863 ‎“因為我從來不行姦淫之事 418 00:19:56,947 --> 00:19:58,490 ‎所以看見脫光的裸女 419 00:19:58,573 --> 00:20:00,659 ‎也完全不會有任何想法” 420 00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:03,286 ‎所以不知從何時開始 421 00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:05,455 ‎教會就嚴格將男女區分開來 422 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,000 ‎要求異性不能坐在一起 423 00:20:09,084 --> 00:20:10,627 ‎甚至不要待在同一個空間 424 00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:13,046 ‎教會的男女信徒之間 425 00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:15,257 ‎絕對不能直接跟對方聯絡 426 00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:16,633 ‎那要怎麼接觸呢? 427 00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:18,760 ‎要透過自己的女性手足 428 00:20:19,511 --> 00:20:21,805 ‎要透過一個跟自己有血緣關係的異性 429 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:23,473 ‎把要說的話傳達給教會的異性 430 00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:26,101 ‎然後,像我的狀況… 431 00:20:26,184 --> 00:20:28,770 ‎就是必須由我妹妹來代我傳話 432 00:20:28,853 --> 00:20:31,231 ‎對方再把想說的話告訴我妹妹 433 00:20:31,314 --> 00:20:32,732 ‎妹妹再把那些話告訴我 434 00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:38,905 ‎2010年曾經發生過一起懺悔信事件 435 00:20:40,156 --> 00:20:42,242 ‎他說“我才發現信徒們犯了很多罪 436 00:20:42,742 --> 00:20:44,411 ‎你們的生活實在是充滿罪惡” 437 00:20:45,412 --> 00:20:47,455 ‎在我們的信徒當中 438 00:20:47,539 --> 00:20:50,583 ‎竟然會有人犯下這種罪 439 00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:52,669 ‎我實在是無法想像 440 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:54,838 ‎有人追求情慾、行淫亂之事 441 00:20:54,921 --> 00:20:57,924 ‎做出可恨的行為 442 00:20:58,008 --> 00:21:00,802 ‎只要把自己犯下的罪全部寫成一封信 443 00:21:00,885 --> 00:21:02,053 ‎再交給李載祿 444 00:21:02,137 --> 00:21:03,555 ‎那罪行就能夠獲得寬恕 445 00:21:03,638 --> 00:21:05,765 ‎牧師是這樣聲淚俱下地呼籲… 446 00:21:14,357 --> 00:21:17,068 ‎不停地呼籲 ‎希望不要有任何靈魂墮入地獄 447 00:21:17,152 --> 00:21:18,069 ‎我是這麼地… 448 00:21:21,573 --> 00:21:23,533 ‎我沒想到會這麼嚴重 449 00:21:27,537 --> 00:21:32,125 ‎沒想到這些痛苦 ‎會使我的生命變得如此難受 450 00:21:33,209 --> 00:21:35,628 ‎請祢憐憫這些日子的我們 451 00:21:35,712 --> 00:21:37,172 ‎請原諒我們 452 00:21:37,964 --> 00:21:39,674 ‎兒子向祢祈求 453 00:21:45,889 --> 00:21:47,140 ‎懇求祢 454 00:21:51,019 --> 00:21:53,063 ‎他要我們把自己的私密事全都告訴他 455 00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:53,980 ‎(懺悔信箱) 456 00:21:54,564 --> 00:21:57,609 ‎我必須回想起七歲時跟男生牽手的事 457 00:21:58,318 --> 00:22:01,154 ‎還得說出20歲時跟哪個學長做了什麼 458 00:22:02,113 --> 00:22:03,615 ‎也要回想跟學弟有沒有互動 459 00:22:04,282 --> 00:22:07,619 ‎我們必須回想過去的所作所為 ‎要想辦法擠東西出來 460 00:22:07,702 --> 00:22:09,204 ‎懺悔信就是這麼一回事 461 00:22:09,788 --> 00:22:12,415 ‎當大家都開始寫懺悔信之後 462 00:22:12,499 --> 00:22:16,044 ‎這就變成所有信徒 ‎都必須參與的活動了 463 00:22:16,127 --> 00:22:17,170 ‎如果不寫懺悔信 464 00:22:17,253 --> 00:22:19,881 ‎大家就會陷入進退兩難的局面 465 00:22:19,964 --> 00:22:22,675 ‎擔心起自己不知道能不能獲得救贖 466 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:24,552 ‎藉著這種方式 467 00:22:24,636 --> 00:22:28,014 ‎各位難道不覺得 ‎如果到現在你都還在犯死罪 468 00:22:28,848 --> 00:22:30,683 ‎實在很對不起牧師嗎? 469 00:22:31,643 --> 00:22:32,977 ‎我這麼不可信嗎? 470 00:22:33,478 --> 00:22:36,398 ‎各位要是犯了死罪,那最終難逃一死 471 00:22:36,481 --> 00:22:39,234 ‎絕對無法像聖經說的一樣獲得救贖 472 00:22:40,151 --> 00:22:41,861 ‎製作人,這件事實在是有點… 473 00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:43,988 ‎我覺得講這個有點不太好 474 00:22:44,989 --> 00:22:46,741 ‎擔心會對當事人造成太大的傷害 475 00:22:46,825 --> 00:22:49,035 ‎因為當事人的家屬現在還是很痛苦 476 00:22:51,246 --> 00:22:52,956 ‎那位大哥他非常… 477 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,041 ‎(李贊熙,已退出萬民中央教會) 478 00:22:56,251 --> 00:22:57,669 ‎原本是個很不受拘束的人 479 00:22:58,253 --> 00:22:59,712 ‎談戀愛無往不利 480 00:23:00,588 --> 00:23:03,800 ‎原本是個交友非常廣闊,很活潑的人 481 00:23:07,262 --> 00:23:10,557 ‎(本資料畫面與事件人物無關) 482 00:23:15,353 --> 00:23:17,105 ‎這一個人原本… 483 00:23:17,188 --> 00:23:19,941 ‎就跟異性有過不少糾紛 484 00:23:20,024 --> 00:23:21,693 ‎這些跟異性之間的糾紛 485 00:23:22,277 --> 00:23:23,695 ‎就被李載祿知道了 486 00:23:24,571 --> 00:23:25,738 ‎最後這些糾紛 487 00:23:25,822 --> 00:23:28,658 ‎會對他的生命造成很大的影響 488 00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:30,118 ‎李載祿說他無法獲得救贖 489 00:23:30,201 --> 00:23:31,786 ‎簡單來說就是些肉體關係的問題 490 00:23:32,662 --> 00:23:34,497 ‎他把自己的那裡切掉了 491 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,626 ‎切掉了自己的生殖器 492 00:23:39,836 --> 00:23:42,255 ‎他很快在生理上、身體上 ‎都出現明顯的差異 493 00:23:42,338 --> 00:23:44,215 ‎他變得越來越女性化 494 00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:46,509 ‎他很愛運動,原本的工作是保全 495 00:23:47,677 --> 00:23:48,720 ‎體型卻越來越小 496 00:23:49,554 --> 00:23:50,555 ‎肌肉開始消失 497 00:23:50,638 --> 00:23:51,764 ‎也不長鬍子了 498 00:23:52,974 --> 00:23:56,394 ‎這是一般人用常識無法理解的行為 499 00:23:56,978 --> 00:23:59,022 ‎而且不是只有一、兩個人這麼做 500 00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:02,609 ‎就我所知,有十幾個人選擇這麼做 501 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:05,945 ‎因為實在是太相信李載祿了 502 00:24:06,029 --> 00:24:07,238 ‎認為這樣才是對的 503 00:24:07,822 --> 00:24:10,074 ‎有誰真的會去切生殖器? ‎但他還是去了 504 00:24:11,367 --> 00:24:12,494 ‎其實我也去問過 505 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:18,041 ‎問了之後,他就說是在江原道做的 506 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:20,251 ‎還跟我說要多少錢 507 00:24:20,335 --> 00:24:21,252 ‎那是非法的手術 508 00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:25,131 ‎但他說動手術之後,只要三至五天 ‎就能恢復正常活動 509 00:24:25,215 --> 00:24:26,341 ‎還說這一點都不難 510 00:24:31,763 --> 00:24:34,224 ‎藝能委員會的人如果談戀愛的話 511 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:38,561 ‎李載祿對這種事情的反應會特別激烈 512 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:45,109 ‎我說過,萬民有很多漂亮女生加入 513 00:24:45,193 --> 00:24:48,655 ‎李載祿似乎認為這些女生都屬於他 514 00:24:48,738 --> 00:24:50,365 ‎但她們要是跟別的男生交往 515 00:24:50,448 --> 00:24:53,368 ‎或是有過性經驗的話 516 00:24:53,451 --> 00:24:56,371 ‎他就會認為她們被汙染了、被玷汙了 517 00:24:56,454 --> 00:24:58,998 ‎為什麼?因為她們必須服侍李載祿 518 00:24:59,082 --> 00:25:00,959 ‎不可以被其他男人染指 519 00:25:11,427 --> 00:25:13,930 ‎首爾萬民中央教會李載祿牧師 520 00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:15,932 ‎以性侵九名女信徒的嫌疑… 521 00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:20,562 ‎據警方了解 ‎他是長期性侵女信徒的慣犯 522 00:25:20,645 --> 00:25:22,146 ‎(李載祿連續性侵信徒惹議) 523 00:25:23,273 --> 00:25:24,774 ‎(2018年4月26日第一次傳喚) 524 00:25:24,857 --> 00:25:27,193 ‎你完全否認犯案 ‎否認有任何性行為嗎? 525 00:25:27,277 --> 00:25:30,238 ‎很危險,請讓條路給他走… 526 00:25:30,321 --> 00:25:32,031 ‎-你否認有性行為嗎? ‎-會受傷喔 527 00:25:32,115 --> 00:25:33,700 ‎走吧,我們直接離開吧 528 00:25:33,783 --> 00:25:35,577 ‎你否認有任何性行為嗎? 529 00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:37,328 ‎還是否認性侵呢? 530 00:25:37,412 --> 00:25:39,122 ‎-請借過 ‎-我全部否認 531 00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:41,416 ‎那為何總在深夜找女信徒過去? 532 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,960 ‎信徒說痛恨你要求發生性關係 533 00:25:44,043 --> 00:25:45,461 ‎但你為何一直找她們過去? 534 00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:46,838 ‎我沒做過這種事 535 00:25:46,921 --> 00:25:48,339 ‎-你沒做過這種事嗎? ‎-對 536 00:25:48,423 --> 00:25:50,133 ‎-你對受害者… ‎-崔記者,請借過 537 00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:51,926 ‎你對受害者絲毫不感到抱歉嗎? 538 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:52,927 ‎崔記者 539 00:25:53,803 --> 00:25:55,221 ‎崔記者,請借過 540 00:25:58,766 --> 00:25:59,976 ‎請小心腳 541 00:26:03,605 --> 00:26:05,565 ‎這真的很難以置信 542 00:26:05,648 --> 00:26:06,566 ‎實在難以置信 543 00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:09,611 ‎真的有可能發生這麼瘋狂的事嗎? 544 00:26:09,694 --> 00:26:10,653 ‎這真的是… 545 00:26:10,737 --> 00:26:14,032 ‎誰會想到他竟然是性犯罪者呢? 546 00:26:14,616 --> 00:26:16,159 ‎我以為那些都只是謠言 547 00:26:16,242 --> 00:26:18,453 ‎萬民中央教會與其信徒 548 00:26:18,536 --> 00:26:22,415 ‎不承認李載祿牧師的性侵嫌疑 549 00:26:22,498 --> 00:26:25,418 ‎我們相信最後 ‎會證實李載祿牧師沒有性侵 550 00:26:25,501 --> 00:26:26,461 ‎正靜待調查結果 551 00:26:27,128 --> 00:26:27,962 ‎第一 552 00:26:28,588 --> 00:26:30,923 ‎請立即停止所有虛假的證詞 553 00:26:31,007 --> 00:26:34,260 ‎立即停止… 554 00:26:34,344 --> 00:26:36,262 ‎與牧師有關的真相 555 00:26:36,346 --> 00:26:38,514 ‎由萬民來驗證 556 00:26:38,598 --> 00:26:40,099 ‎由萬民驗證… 557 00:26:40,183 --> 00:26:41,517 ‎(堂會長,我們愛你!) 558 00:26:41,601 --> 00:26:43,686 ‎剛開始採訪萬民時 559 00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:44,604 ‎(李文炫記者) 560 00:26:44,687 --> 00:26:48,524 ‎我都以為他只是邪教團體的首領而已 561 00:26:49,317 --> 00:26:52,904 ‎後來才知道他居然是這麼可怕的罪犯 562 00:26:52,987 --> 00:26:54,739 ‎我實在想都沒想過 563 00:26:54,822 --> 00:26:57,784 ‎被指控性侵信徒而遭檢警調查的 564 00:26:57,867 --> 00:27:00,328 ‎萬民中央教會李載祿牧師 565 00:27:00,411 --> 00:27:02,413 ‎今天又有另一位受害女性 566 00:27:02,497 --> 00:27:04,666 ‎站出來向他提告 567 00:27:04,749 --> 00:27:05,958 ‎請看李文炫記者的報導 568 00:27:07,001 --> 00:27:10,380 ‎遭萬民中央教會李載祿牧師性侵的… 569 00:27:11,255 --> 00:27:12,465 ‎受害的女性 570 00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:16,344 ‎在教會的青年信徒之中 571 00:27:16,427 --> 00:27:19,222 ‎是擔任領導者的角色 572 00:27:19,305 --> 00:27:20,431 ‎(萬民中央教會) 573 00:27:20,515 --> 00:27:23,601 ‎那位女性帶來了所有證據資料 574 00:27:24,185 --> 00:27:27,021 ‎還有她自己與李載祿的所有合照 575 00:27:30,191 --> 00:27:32,735 ‎我一直以來所學到的東西 576 00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:36,406 ‎就是人要秉持著良善,追求真理與愛 577 00:27:36,906 --> 00:27:38,449 ‎我覺得這理念很棒 578 00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:45,581 ‎還有她最後一次遭李載祿性侵的日期 579 00:27:45,665 --> 00:27:48,835 ‎以及事發地點,全都說得非常清楚 580 00:27:48,918 --> 00:27:51,713 ‎那都是只有當事人才會知道的內容 581 00:27:51,796 --> 00:27:54,507 ‎所以我判斷可以相信她所說的話 582 00:27:58,761 --> 00:28:01,305 ‎她說2011年,她第一次… 583 00:28:01,806 --> 00:28:04,392 ‎接到李載祿打來的電話 584 00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:12,900 ‎喂?是我 585 00:28:15,987 --> 00:28:17,321 ‎她說她很開心 586 00:28:17,405 --> 00:28:19,574 ‎她一出生就受洗成為基督徒 587 00:28:20,825 --> 00:28:21,993 ‎那個被她當成神 588 00:28:22,076 --> 00:28:24,120 ‎象徵著絕對良善的人 589 00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:27,373 ‎對她來說非常尊貴的那個人 ‎主動打電話給她 590 00:28:27,832 --> 00:28:29,333 ‎(性侵受害女性的證詞) 591 00:28:29,417 --> 00:28:32,920 ‎我在想,他是不是要私下談論 ‎我的信仰虔誠度呢? 592 00:28:33,629 --> 00:28:37,049 ‎還是要賦予我什麼使命或職責呢? 593 00:28:47,268 --> 00:28:50,188 ‎他跟我說“妳來我這裡,來我的公寓 594 00:28:50,855 --> 00:28:52,565 ‎沒有人知道這個地方 595 00:28:52,648 --> 00:28:54,734 ‎妳別告訴任何人,單獨過來這裡” 596 00:28:59,197 --> 00:29:00,740 ‎我是搭計程車去的 597 00:29:01,324 --> 00:29:02,742 ‎我搭計程車過去 598 00:29:03,326 --> 00:29:05,119 ‎他非常小心 599 00:29:05,203 --> 00:29:07,830 ‎還特別提醒我別用信用卡 ‎要用現金付帳 600 00:29:17,340 --> 00:29:21,260 ‎她為了讓李載祿牧師看見自己的信念 601 00:29:21,344 --> 00:29:23,095 ‎就把自己的定存解掉 602 00:29:23,179 --> 00:29:26,015 ‎全部以現金提領出來,然後裝進信封 603 00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:27,558 ‎接著再從自己的衣服當中 604 00:29:27,642 --> 00:29:29,852 ‎挑出一件最乾淨的白衣服換上 605 00:29:30,686 --> 00:29:32,522 ‎我按下電鈴的時候 606 00:29:32,605 --> 00:29:34,190 ‎真的非常緊張 607 00:29:36,776 --> 00:29:38,361 ‎我一路上一直在心裡禱告 608 00:29:39,153 --> 00:29:41,572 ‎看到他打開門探出頭來的樣子 609 00:29:42,073 --> 00:29:43,658 ‎讓我感到好吃驚 610 00:29:46,619 --> 00:29:50,248 ‎一進到屋內 ‎就看到客廳裡有張很大的床 611 00:30:24,574 --> 00:30:28,077 ‎每個受害人描述的情況都很相似 ‎令人毛骨悚然 612 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,496 ‎像是突然被邀請去他家 613 00:30:36,794 --> 00:30:37,879 ‎他會說“我是神 614 00:30:38,963 --> 00:30:42,008 ‎所以現在這裡發生的事 ‎不會有任何問題” 615 00:30:42,091 --> 00:30:44,343 ‎不然就是“這裡是伊甸園 616 00:30:44,427 --> 00:30:46,846 ‎所以在這裡不能穿衣服” 617 00:30:46,929 --> 00:30:49,390 ‎他都是用這種方式說服每個受害人 618 00:30:49,473 --> 00:30:51,559 ‎最讓人感到遺憾的 619 00:30:52,059 --> 00:30:55,688 ‎是受害者不知道自己正在遭遇什麼事 620 00:30:57,023 --> 00:30:58,566 ‎我的腦中一片混亂 621 00:30:58,649 --> 00:31:00,776 ‎(性侵受害女性證詞) 622 00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:01,819 ‎“這怎麼回事? 623 00:31:02,486 --> 00:31:04,739 ‎無罪的人就可以做這種事嗎? 624 00:31:05,281 --> 00:31:07,700 ‎到底是怎麼回事?這是怎麼回事?” 625 00:31:09,785 --> 00:31:12,496 ‎“這應該是為了保護我 ‎不被別的男人欺負 626 00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:15,666 ‎讓我能夠一心一意 ‎只想著天父的恩惠吧” 627 00:31:17,251 --> 00:31:19,545 ‎我大概祈禱了一個月 628 00:31:19,629 --> 00:31:22,298 ‎一邊想著“這真是天父賜給我的恩惠” 629 00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:24,842 ‎進而讓自己接受這件事 630 00:31:47,782 --> 00:31:49,742 ‎他不是神,而是惡魔 631 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:55,081 ‎他告訴信徒“光是摸我的身體 ‎你們就能獲得治癒” 632 00:31:55,164 --> 00:31:57,833 ‎還有“你正與神同在” 633 00:31:57,917 --> 00:32:00,753 ‎“你可以上天堂” ‎還有“你能得到救贖” 634 00:32:00,836 --> 00:32:02,672 ‎他就是披著羊皮的狼 635 00:32:09,178 --> 00:32:10,054 ‎(受害者證詞) 636 00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:11,097 ‎他開始脫我的內衣 637 00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:15,393 ‎但因為他脫內衣的手法太熟練了 ‎害我嚇了一大跳 638 00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:17,603 ‎他問我“靜惠的穴是誰的?” 639 00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:21,857 ‎他很仔細地觀察我的那個地方 640 00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:24,694 ‎非常仔細地端詳 641 00:32:27,989 --> 00:32:31,450 ‎他壓著我的臉往他的性器官靠過去 642 00:32:31,993 --> 00:32:34,745 ‎然後又跟我說不是那樣做 643 00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:36,372 ‎說我用牙齒他會痛 644 00:32:38,332 --> 00:32:39,959 ‎在發生關係的時候 645 00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:42,962 ‎他一直問我舒不舒服 646 00:32:43,045 --> 00:32:45,006 ‎還一直叫我發出聲音 647 00:32:45,548 --> 00:32:47,133 ‎他一直問“舒服嗎?” 648 00:32:48,926 --> 00:32:50,720 ‎他有時候會把我們找去 649 00:32:50,803 --> 00:32:53,264 ‎在旁邊看他跟我們的朋友發生關係 650 00:33:01,647 --> 00:33:03,274 ‎他說我們太沒有經驗了 651 00:33:03,357 --> 00:33:05,317 ‎就要我們看色情片練習 652 00:33:06,027 --> 00:33:08,946 ‎所以秘書會播色情片給我們看 653 00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:11,240 ‎我們就會聽到呻吟聲 654 00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:15,453 ‎(本資料畫面與事件人物無關) 655 00:33:17,204 --> 00:33:18,914 ‎那些姐姐都很漂亮 656 00:33:19,415 --> 00:33:23,210 ‎他碰的都是跟我一樣 ‎一出生就受洗的姐姐們 657 00:33:23,294 --> 00:33:24,253 ‎因為… 658 00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:25,463 ‎我們都很單純 659 00:33:25,546 --> 00:33:27,506 ‎我們都不曾被男人染指 660 00:33:29,592 --> 00:33:31,844 ‎在他性侵我們之後 661 00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:35,931 ‎他給了我們每個人大約300萬韓元 ‎說要給我們用 662 00:33:36,015 --> 00:33:38,434 ‎她們突然有了很好的車子 663 00:33:38,517 --> 00:33:40,269 ‎突然有了很好的房子 664 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:41,854 ‎開始出現這種狀況 665 00:33:41,937 --> 00:33:44,940 ‎我很好奇 ‎“她們到底哪來的錢買這些?” 666 00:33:46,484 --> 00:33:47,860 ‎(性侵受害女性證詞) 667 00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:51,363 ‎他直接拿了一個裡面 ‎裝有100萬現金的信封給我 668 00:33:51,947 --> 00:33:55,868 ‎我曾經拿過200萬還是300萬韓元 669 00:33:57,328 --> 00:34:00,664 ‎他會在白信封上 ‎用綠色的筆寫下“500” 670 00:34:00,748 --> 00:34:02,083 ‎然後把錢放進去裡面 671 00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:06,253 ‎他給了我600萬韓元 672 00:34:06,837 --> 00:34:08,589 ‎他從信徒給的捐款裡拿錢 673 00:34:08,672 --> 00:34:10,549 ‎塞進信封裡拿給我 674 00:34:10,633 --> 00:34:12,718 ‎他曾經給過我200萬、300萬 675 00:34:12,802 --> 00:34:14,762 ‎多的時候曾經到500萬韓元 676 00:34:15,596 --> 00:34:16,764 ‎我都拿去做什一奉獻 677 00:34:17,264 --> 00:34:19,100 ‎我也多次把從他那拿到的錢 678 00:34:19,183 --> 00:34:21,519 ‎直接再拿去做什一奉獻 679 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:23,979 ‎我心想“該怎麼處理這麼尊貴的錢?” 680 00:34:24,063 --> 00:34:28,192 ‎覺得用掉很可惜 ‎也覺得好像不可以花這些錢 681 00:34:28,275 --> 00:34:29,985 ‎所以就又捐回去教會了 682 00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:32,196 ‎然後在教會裡面 683 00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:34,365 ‎她們的信仰虔誠度就突然增加了 684 00:34:34,865 --> 00:34:38,160 ‎藝能委員會裡,有很多排名很高的人 685 00:34:38,244 --> 00:34:40,788 ‎我想應該有20到30人吧 686 00:34:41,330 --> 00:34:45,417 ‎這些事情就像齒輪一樣 ‎相互牽連在一起 687 00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:47,753 ‎我們必須提升虔誠度的等級 688 00:34:47,837 --> 00:34:51,090 ‎為了讓自己升級,就必須去陪他睡 689 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:53,384 ‎而這些受害者 690 00:34:53,467 --> 00:34:55,719 ‎就持續受到他的侵害 691 00:34:55,803 --> 00:35:00,141 ‎我們絕對不會妥協於他們的要求 692 00:35:00,224 --> 00:35:01,809 ‎(堂會長!我們愛你!) 693 00:35:01,892 --> 00:35:03,519 ‎親愛的牧師 694 00:35:04,019 --> 00:35:06,147 ‎有我們陪在你身邊 695 00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:08,023 ‎請你加油 696 00:35:08,107 --> 00:35:10,985 ‎我們愛你 697 00:35:11,986 --> 00:35:14,155 ‎我們眼中的牧師 698 00:35:14,238 --> 00:35:15,781 ‎十幾年來都沒有改變 699 00:35:15,865 --> 00:35:18,701 ‎他一直是位仁者,富有大愛 700 00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:21,120 ‎他會跟著信徒一起哭、一起笑 701 00:35:21,203 --> 00:35:22,997 ‎因為只看見他這一面 702 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,542 ‎就會認定“離開的那些女生 ‎原本就很淫亂 703 00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:28,961 ‎她們的異性關係本來就很複雜” 704 00:35:29,044 --> 00:35:31,422 ‎這種謠言就在教會裡一下傳開了 705 00:35:31,505 --> 00:35:33,174 ‎(我是好牧人,好牧人為羊捨命) 706 00:35:33,257 --> 00:35:34,466 ‎“她們很沒有道德感 707 00:35:35,134 --> 00:35:36,135 ‎生活很亂 708 00:35:36,927 --> 00:35:38,512 ‎都是些很淫亂的女生” 709 00:35:39,889 --> 00:35:43,392 ‎大家會這樣在私下聚會時到處傳 710 00:35:46,645 --> 00:35:47,855 ‎教會的大人們 711 00:35:48,397 --> 00:35:50,774 ‎有很多人都知道這些事 712 00:35:51,442 --> 00:35:52,318 ‎但就算知道 713 00:35:52,943 --> 00:35:55,279 ‎他們還是非常相信教會 714 00:35:56,071 --> 00:35:56,947 ‎因為 715 00:35:57,031 --> 00:35:58,949 ‎他們認為牧師是聖靈 716 00:35:59,450 --> 00:36:02,328 ‎他們認為“對於聖靈所做的事情 717 00:36:02,411 --> 00:36:04,747 ‎人無法做出任何評斷” 718 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,791 ‎就算只有一、兩個人也好 719 00:36:07,875 --> 00:36:09,251 ‎只要能揭發這件事 720 00:36:09,335 --> 00:36:12,546 ‎只要有人站出來質疑 ‎“好像不應該是這樣吧” 721 00:36:13,172 --> 00:36:14,924 ‎這種事情就不會持續這麼久 722 00:36:15,007 --> 00:36:16,884 ‎不會延續數十年了啊 723 00:36:20,179 --> 00:36:22,932 ‎你承認性侵的指控嗎? ‎為什麼要這麼做? 724 00:36:23,015 --> 00:36:24,767 ‎-你不承認嗎? ‎-還是不承認嗎? 725 00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:25,935 ‎我們要往哪裡去? 726 00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:27,144 ‎為什麼要叫信徒去? 727 00:36:27,937 --> 00:36:29,813 ‎你記得方背洞的“XI公寓”嗎? 728 00:36:29,897 --> 00:36:33,359 ‎我記得我們一直追著他問到電梯口 729 00:36:33,442 --> 00:36:37,196 ‎當時李載祿對自己的事情 ‎沒有發表任何言論 730 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:40,115 ‎而圍繞在他身邊的那些人 731 00:36:40,616 --> 00:36:43,452 ‎一直忙著把我們記者推開 732 00:36:43,953 --> 00:36:46,330 ‎我記得他們的反應 ‎讓我感覺他們很不要臉 733 00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:47,373 ‎不好意思 734 00:36:48,415 --> 00:36:50,376 ‎為什麼晚上10點把人叫去堂會長室? 735 00:36:50,459 --> 00:36:51,919 ‎你記得4月12日嗎? 736 00:36:53,712 --> 00:36:57,299 ‎(李載祿被控性侵信徒) 737 00:36:57,383 --> 00:37:00,636 ‎(遭檢調二次傳喚) 738 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,097 ‎後來在檢方的調查過程中 739 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:05,391 ‎他也繼續否認自己的犯行 740 00:37:05,474 --> 00:37:06,684 ‎在法庭上 741 00:37:06,767 --> 00:37:09,770 ‎他也一直說“我沒有性侵” 742 00:37:09,853 --> 00:37:11,480 ‎繼續否認犯行 743 00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:14,775 ‎他請的律師都是檢察官出身 ‎收費都很高 744 00:37:14,858 --> 00:37:18,279 ‎到最後都主張自己無罪,但是… 745 00:37:18,362 --> 00:37:21,740 ‎當時讓萬民徹底崩潰的最大契機 746 00:37:21,824 --> 00:37:24,285 ‎就是有一位姐妹的音檔到處流傳 747 00:37:24,827 --> 00:37:26,495 ‎要說這位姐妹是誰 748 00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:29,164 ‎其實就是萬民中最活躍的一位明星 749 00:37:29,248 --> 00:37:34,378 ‎這位姐妹手上 ‎有她跟她朋友對話的錄音檔 750 00:37:34,461 --> 00:37:36,297 ‎裡面提到跟李載祿發生關係 751 00:37:36,839 --> 00:37:39,758 ‎她覺得理所當然,覺得很光榮 752 00:37:41,844 --> 00:37:43,304 ‎(2018年受訪之受害者提供) 753 00:37:43,387 --> 00:37:45,264 ‎因為他是聖靈就能為所欲為 754 00:37:45,347 --> 00:37:48,100 ‎要求不願意的女性就範 ‎這難道是對的嗎? 755 00:37:48,183 --> 00:37:50,894 ‎-妳從來不覺得這不好嗎? ‎-對 756 00:37:50,978 --> 00:37:53,105 ‎-所以妳無條件服從嗎? ‎-對 757 00:37:54,106 --> 00:37:55,232 ‎那一點都不奇怪 758 00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:56,734 ‎為什麼妳覺得不奇怪? 759 00:37:56,817 --> 00:37:58,694 ‎所以他要求,妳們就要照做嗎? 760 00:37:58,777 --> 00:38:00,738 ‎如果他要求 ‎跟女性發生性關係也一樣? 761 00:38:01,572 --> 00:38:02,781 ‎因為堂會長不是普通人 762 00:38:03,699 --> 00:38:05,075 ‎這樣就沒問題了 763 00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,828 ‎天父說那不是罪,那就不是罪 764 00:38:08,954 --> 00:38:10,581 ‎聽完那份錄音檔之後 765 00:38:10,664 --> 00:38:12,583 ‎我心想“原來都是真的” 766 00:38:12,666 --> 00:38:16,378 ‎用兩個小時就徹底毀掉我21年的信仰 767 00:38:17,046 --> 00:38:21,425 ‎堅持了21年的信仰破滅 ‎是怎樣的一種感覺? 768 00:38:32,853 --> 00:38:36,231 ‎當時我的感受… 769 00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:40,778 ‎真的感覺我的頭… 770 00:38:41,487 --> 00:38:43,322 ‎好像被重達一噸的槌子敲了一下 771 00:38:44,114 --> 00:38:46,033 ‎真的是什麼都沒辦法思考 772 00:38:46,658 --> 00:38:48,369 ‎我那一整天什麼都做不了 773 00:38:48,452 --> 00:38:50,371 ‎真的打擊太大了,對 774 00:38:51,372 --> 00:38:52,956 ‎我真是難以想像 775 00:38:53,999 --> 00:38:55,209 ‎從來沒想過上帝 776 00:38:55,292 --> 00:38:57,586 ‎竟然會做這種事 777 00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:58,879 ‎“什麼?” 778 00:38:58,962 --> 00:38:59,963 ‎我當下覺得… 779 00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:04,343 ‎整個人就像被炸彈炸到一樣 780 00:39:04,927 --> 00:39:06,595 ‎不是啊,李載祿… 781 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:08,639 ‎跟那些孩子的年齡差距 782 00:39:09,139 --> 00:39:11,266 ‎超過50歲耶 783 00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:13,936 ‎他又不是不認識這些孩子 784 00:39:14,937 --> 00:39:16,563 ‎她們的媽媽加入教會時 785 00:39:16,647 --> 00:39:19,566 ‎她們都還只是剛學會走路的孩子 786 00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:23,529 ‎有些還是媽媽背在背上 ‎帶去給他禱告的孩子 787 00:39:23,612 --> 00:39:25,906 ‎他竟然對這些孩子 788 00:39:25,989 --> 00:39:27,449 ‎做出這麼可怕的事? 789 00:39:28,492 --> 00:39:29,368 ‎一開始… 790 00:39:29,451 --> 00:39:31,161 ‎我真的差點飆出髒話 791 00:39:31,912 --> 00:39:33,497 ‎從她們10幾歲時開始培養 792 00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:35,165 ‎等她們到20歲就開始做那種事 793 00:39:35,666 --> 00:39:39,711 ‎對這些才20歲出頭的 ‎年輕女孩做這種事 794 00:39:39,795 --> 00:39:41,630 ‎他這樣一個70多歲的老人 795 00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:43,298 ‎我到底該說他是什麼? 796 00:39:43,382 --> 00:39:45,342 ‎變態?色魔? 797 00:39:46,009 --> 00:39:48,345 ‎我想過“如果是我會怎麼樣?” 798 00:39:48,429 --> 00:39:51,056 ‎如果牧師打給我,叫我去他的住處 799 00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:54,601 ‎“妳也要像伊甸園的 ‎亞當夏娃一樣脫光光” 800 00:39:54,685 --> 00:39:55,936 ‎如果他這樣跟我說 801 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,565 ‎我想我可能會有點嚇到 ‎但還是會照做 802 00:40:00,816 --> 00:40:02,484 ‎(2018年受訪之受害者提供) 803 00:40:02,568 --> 00:40:04,820 ‎我是真的愛妳,我的靈是愛妳的 804 00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:06,488 ‎肉體是肉體 805 00:40:06,572 --> 00:40:08,574 ‎我是用我的靈在愛妳的 806 00:40:08,657 --> 00:40:10,242 ‎我知道 807 00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:12,327 ‎但妳如果討厭這種肉體的愛 808 00:40:12,411 --> 00:40:15,622 ‎那我也不會去碰這種愛 809 00:40:15,706 --> 00:40:16,790 ‎是 810 00:40:16,874 --> 00:40:19,001 ‎妳不想要的話,我就不會做 811 00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:22,171 ‎因為肉體不是我愛妳的原因 812 00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:24,465 ‎是 813 00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:26,091 ‎好 814 00:40:27,676 --> 00:40:29,011 ‎那早上見了 815 00:40:29,511 --> 00:40:31,430 ‎好,謝謝 816 00:40:31,513 --> 00:40:32,347 ‎好 817 00:40:33,098 --> 00:40:34,224 ‎愛妳喔,再見 818 00:40:34,308 --> 00:40:35,684 ‎好的,請您快去休息吧 819 00:40:42,024 --> 00:40:44,610 ‎2018年5月3日 820 00:40:45,277 --> 00:40:47,154 ‎是他們所侍奉的神 821 00:40:48,238 --> 00:40:49,531 ‎跌落神壇的日子 822 00:41:00,501 --> 00:41:02,878 ‎有我們在,請您加油! 823 00:41:05,881 --> 00:41:07,591 ‎(2018年5月3日,李載祿遭收押) 824 00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:08,717 ‎你承認指控嗎? 825 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,345 ‎你仍然否認犯行嗎? 826 00:41:12,304 --> 00:41:15,432 ‎昨天的禱告會上,你說不必害怕檢警 827 00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:16,475 ‎那是什麼意思? 828 00:41:17,267 --> 00:41:20,103 ‎遭人指控慣性性侵信徒的 829 00:41:20,187 --> 00:41:23,524 ‎萬民中央聖潔教會 ‎李載祿牧師遭檢方收押 830 00:41:44,503 --> 00:41:46,046 ‎在他被收押那天 831 00:41:46,129 --> 00:41:47,965 ‎外頭突然下起冰雹 832 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,425 ‎教會的人說“看,上帝生氣了” 833 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:55,472 ‎萬民中央教會 ‎稱那天的事為“冰雹事件” 834 00:41:56,223 --> 00:42:00,185 ‎所有信徒都在哭天搶地 ‎高喊著李載祿在受苦受難 835 00:42:00,269 --> 00:42:03,689 ‎(萬民中央教會) 836 00:42:05,148 --> 00:42:08,652 ‎公開事實真相!公開真相! 837 00:42:08,735 --> 00:42:11,363 ‎公開真相… 838 00:42:11,446 --> 00:42:12,781 ‎(怎能判牧師15年!) 839 00:42:12,864 --> 00:42:16,785 ‎(李載祿牧師遭汙名化!) 840 00:42:18,996 --> 00:42:22,374 ‎(要求使用測謊儀!) 841 00:42:25,502 --> 00:42:26,712 ‎最前面那個? 842 00:42:27,504 --> 00:42:28,589 ‎在最前面 843 00:42:29,548 --> 00:42:30,716 ‎是3114嗎? 844 00:42:30,799 --> 00:42:32,175 ‎很多人第一次看到他那樣 845 00:42:32,718 --> 00:42:33,594 ‎看到他滿頭白髮 846 00:42:34,261 --> 00:42:35,596 ‎還有非常卑怯的樣子 847 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:37,014 ‎在我眼中他腳步倉促 848 00:42:38,181 --> 00:42:39,474 ‎從囚犯護送車上走下來 849 00:42:39,558 --> 00:42:41,393 ‎還不停四處張望 850 00:42:42,185 --> 00:42:45,564 ‎我原本相信李載祿是神 ‎所以不會有白頭髮 851 00:42:45,647 --> 00:42:48,567 ‎就算年紀這麼大,也還是滿頭黑髮 852 00:42:52,821 --> 00:42:54,948 ‎沒想到那天的他,只是個落魄的老人 853 00:43:00,537 --> 00:43:07,502 ‎(判處被告李載祿16年徒刑) 854 00:43:11,006 --> 00:43:12,841 ‎(2018年1月18日 ‎製作人手冊拍攝) 855 00:43:12,924 --> 00:43:14,843 ‎各位請將希望放在心中 856 00:43:14,926 --> 00:43:16,720 ‎向我們的牧師做新年的問候 857 00:43:16,803 --> 00:43:18,847 ‎一邊說“新年快樂”一邊行大禮 858 00:43:19,348 --> 00:43:22,934 ‎-新年快樂 ‎-新年快樂 859 00:43:25,103 --> 00:43:28,607 ‎(部分萬民教徒仍在等待李載祿) 860 00:43:28,690 --> 00:43:32,277 ‎牧師! 861 00:43:32,361 --> 00:43:35,781 ‎我們好想你! 862 00:43:35,864 --> 00:43:37,866 ‎請快出來吧! 863 00:43:39,576 --> 00:43:41,453 ‎我目前在首爾南部看守所… 864 00:43:41,536 --> 00:43:42,454 ‎(李廣吾) 865 00:43:42,537 --> 00:43:45,207 ‎…擔任矯正協會的事務局長 866 00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:46,625 ‎在看守所裡面… 867 00:43:47,876 --> 00:43:49,544 ‎我算是有一點權力啦 868 00:43:52,798 --> 00:43:54,841 ‎2021年3月 869 00:43:55,342 --> 00:43:57,678 ‎我去了一趟大邱監獄 870 00:43:59,846 --> 00:44:03,058 ‎很好奇這樣一個曾經欺騙過我們的人 871 00:44:03,141 --> 00:44:06,061 ‎現在究竟會是什麼樣子 872 00:44:08,313 --> 00:44:10,273 ‎我看見他的時候喊了聲“李載祿” 873 00:44:12,234 --> 00:44:13,527 ‎他就抬頭看了我一下 874 00:44:14,277 --> 00:44:15,946 ‎我叫他名字時 875 00:44:16,029 --> 00:44:18,323 ‎我的心臟不知道跳得有多快 876 00:44:21,785 --> 00:44:24,955 ‎“你都不怕上帝嗎?給我好好反省!” 877 00:44:25,038 --> 00:44:27,416 ‎我很想跟他說這句話,但是… 878 00:44:30,168 --> 00:44:31,503 ‎他卻認不出我 879 00:44:33,255 --> 00:44:36,091 ‎他是他那間牢房的房長 880 00:44:36,925 --> 00:44:39,928 ‎他的收容人保管金 ‎總是維持在上限500萬韓元 881 00:44:40,554 --> 00:44:43,557 ‎他現在吃得很好,過得很好 882 00:44:47,227 --> 00:44:49,229 ‎(本紀錄片所有訪問內容 ‎均為真實證詞) 883 00:44:49,312 --> 00:44:51,064 ‎(部分由演員演示以保護受訪者) 884 00:45:15,505 --> 00:45:17,132 ‎字幕翻譯:陳品芳