1 00:00:06,163 --> 00:00:08,163 [This Morning theme music playing] 2 00:00:11,363 --> 00:00:14,123 We all heard the shocking news that Jill Dando had been murdered 3 00:00:14,203 --> 00:00:15,443 on her own doorstep. 4 00:00:15,523 --> 00:00:18,763 Do you think you can look forward to another phase in your life? 5 00:00:18,843 --> 00:00:21,122 Jill was a very positive person 6 00:00:21,203 --> 00:00:24,203 and she would want us to do something positive. 7 00:00:24,923 --> 00:00:28,603 [woman] It had been a whole year since Jill had been shot 8 00:00:29,403 --> 00:00:31,443 and they hadn't found someone for it. 9 00:00:31,523 --> 00:00:34,443 How are you now? Time does heal. Are you on the road? 10 00:00:34,523 --> 00:00:37,243 A lot of people have given me enormous support. 11 00:00:37,323 --> 00:00:40,363 [woman] She was the darling of Britain. 12 00:00:41,563 --> 00:00:45,523 And that just, it beggared belief that they couldn't find 13 00:00:45,603 --> 00:00:47,523 the person who killed Jill Dando. 14 00:00:47,603 --> 00:00:49,403 [tense music playing] 15 00:00:50,363 --> 00:00:53,923 And I was busy getting ready to go to a prayer meeting. 16 00:00:54,003 --> 00:00:55,683 [reporter] Good morning, the headlines. 17 00:00:55,763 --> 00:00:59,163 [male reporter] The man held by Scotland Yard on suspicion of murdering 18 00:00:59,243 --> 00:01:01,363 the BBC TV presenter Jill Dando… 19 00:01:01,443 --> 00:01:05,403 [woman] I heard on the news that somebody had been arrested. 20 00:01:05,483 --> 00:01:08,163 [male reporter] …who lives half a mile from Ms. Dando's former home. 21 00:01:08,243 --> 00:01:11,803 And I thought that was wonderful, at long last, 22 00:01:11,883 --> 00:01:15,603 someone was going to be brought up for Jill's killing. 23 00:01:15,683 --> 00:01:19,003 [male reporter] The police have removed items from his home for examination. 24 00:01:19,083 --> 00:01:22,563 [woman] And then the newscaster said his name is… 25 00:01:22,643 --> 00:01:24,243 [male reporter] …Barry Bulsara. 26 00:01:24,923 --> 00:01:26,323 [woman] I just went numb. 27 00:01:27,283 --> 00:01:31,083 I just thought, no, it can't be the same Barry Bulsara. 28 00:01:33,483 --> 00:01:35,803 This is utter madness. 29 00:01:39,083 --> 00:01:40,283 That was my brother. 30 00:01:44,283 --> 00:01:45,403 Could he have done it? 31 00:01:55,163 --> 00:01:57,163 [siren wailing] 32 00:01:59,763 --> 00:02:01,563 [sirens wailing] 33 00:02:01,643 --> 00:02:04,083 [male reporter] Today, Scotland Yard issued a statement 34 00:02:04,163 --> 00:02:05,683 to say a man was arrested 35 00:02:05,763 --> 00:02:07,643 on suspicion of murdering Jill Dando. 36 00:02:07,723 --> 00:02:10,163 [female reporter] Scotland Yard has not confirmed 37 00:02:10,243 --> 00:02:12,403 the identity of the man they're questioning. 38 00:02:14,082 --> 00:02:15,802 [gripping music playing] 39 00:02:18,883 --> 00:02:21,963 [Hamish] It was a big step to arrest the man 40 00:02:22,923 --> 00:02:25,243 suspected or accused of killing Jill Dando. 41 00:02:26,243 --> 00:02:27,243 [indistinct chatter] 42 00:02:27,323 --> 00:02:29,763 [male police officer] It is, uh, 27. 43 00:02:33,163 --> 00:02:37,603 [Hamish] I wrote in my logs, "I fear it was the ill man, the loner, 44 00:02:39,643 --> 00:02:41,563 the infatuated, the psychopath, 45 00:02:42,403 --> 00:02:45,723 the disturbed or the obsessed who was responsible." 46 00:02:47,923 --> 00:02:49,763 Barry George fit that category. 47 00:02:55,763 --> 00:02:56,763 [clears throat] 48 00:02:56,843 --> 00:02:57,883 [inhales sharply] 49 00:02:59,203 --> 00:03:00,483 [breathing heavily] 50 00:03:02,643 --> 00:03:04,843 [Hamish] The Jill Dando murder was considered 51 00:03:04,923 --> 00:03:07,443 as one of the biggest homicide investigations 52 00:03:07,523 --> 00:03:09,603 conducted by the Metropolitan Police. 53 00:03:10,523 --> 00:03:14,923 Four thousand people had been spoken to or interviewed in one way or another. 54 00:03:16,283 --> 00:03:20,443 So, I was just focused on getting it right. 55 00:03:25,283 --> 00:03:28,163 [male interrogator] Do you agree that you possessed a gun? 56 00:03:29,043 --> 00:03:30,163 Replica. 57 00:03:30,723 --> 00:03:33,323 So we accept that you possessed the replica gun? 58 00:03:33,403 --> 00:03:34,363 Yes, sir. 59 00:03:34,443 --> 00:03:37,363 [Hamish] What was interesting was he answered the questions 60 00:03:37,443 --> 00:03:38,523 during the interview. 61 00:03:38,603 --> 00:03:41,363 Not a gun. A replica gun. 62 00:03:41,443 --> 00:03:45,163 Most people being interviewed for a murder would not answer any questions. 63 00:03:45,963 --> 00:03:47,603 [breathing heavily] 64 00:03:48,243 --> 00:03:50,803 [female interviewer] I'm going to ask you a few questions. 65 00:03:50,883 --> 00:03:53,923 I just want you to try and remember 66 00:03:54,003 --> 00:03:58,203 what it was like when you were detained and arrested. 67 00:03:58,843 --> 00:04:00,883 The police wanted to speak to me, 68 00:04:00,963 --> 00:04:03,243 what for, I don't know, you know, 69 00:04:03,323 --> 00:04:05,763 because I haven't committed any crime. 70 00:04:05,843 --> 00:04:09,843 So did you know who Jill Dando was? 71 00:04:10,443 --> 00:04:15,003 I've never met her in my life. Didn't know who she was. 72 00:04:15,763 --> 00:04:20,803 The police, over and over grilled me about it. 73 00:04:20,883 --> 00:04:23,562 And I really did not know who she was. 74 00:04:24,603 --> 00:04:26,403 [male interrogator] Did you ever buy 75 00:04:26,483 --> 00:04:29,003 a G145, 8mm, blank-firing government automatic? 76 00:04:29,083 --> 00:04:30,003 [Barry] No, sir. 77 00:04:30,083 --> 00:04:32,323 -Have you ever possessed one of those? -No, sir. 78 00:04:32,403 --> 00:04:34,523 -Have you ever handled one of those? -No, sir. 79 00:04:34,603 --> 00:04:37,003 -Have you ever fired one of those? -No, sir. 80 00:04:38,803 --> 00:04:40,723 We knew that he was lying. 81 00:04:41,483 --> 00:04:43,323 [suspenseful music playing] 82 00:04:43,403 --> 00:04:46,003 We had a photograph of George holding this pistol, 83 00:04:46,083 --> 00:04:51,723 which was one of the types of firearms that it was reported killed Jill Dando. 84 00:04:54,243 --> 00:04:56,843 [male interrogator] Do you recognize the person in the picture? 85 00:05:03,683 --> 00:05:07,603 The picture that was taken, it's not me in that picture. 86 00:05:13,843 --> 00:05:16,003 [male interrogator] Who do you think it is? 87 00:05:17,363 --> 00:05:18,363 Could be anyone. 88 00:05:19,403 --> 00:05:21,203 That's a picture of you, Mr. George. 89 00:05:22,163 --> 00:05:24,163 [BBC News theme music playing] 90 00:05:29,083 --> 00:05:31,083 Good evening. Police hunting the killer 91 00:05:31,163 --> 00:05:34,683 of the television presenter Jill Dando have been holding a man all day… 92 00:05:34,763 --> 00:05:37,483 On suspicion of murder in connection with last year's killing 93 00:05:37,563 --> 00:05:40,843 of popular BBC television personality Jill Dando. 94 00:05:46,163 --> 00:05:50,843 The story of Barry George's arrest was probably almost as big 95 00:05:50,923 --> 00:05:54,003 as the story of Jill Dando's murder in the first place. 96 00:05:55,523 --> 00:05:58,403 The people I worked for, they just wanted to know everything, 97 00:05:58,483 --> 00:06:03,563 who is this guy, from cradle to grave? You know, every cough and splutter. 98 00:06:04,163 --> 00:06:06,083 I started working my contacts. 99 00:06:06,163 --> 00:06:08,483 I eventually got through to somebody 100 00:06:08,563 --> 00:06:11,963 and my source was higher up the chain of command. 101 00:06:13,523 --> 00:06:17,003 He said to me that, you know, he's a guy called Barry Bulsara. 102 00:06:17,643 --> 00:06:22,803 Barry Bulsara? I said, you know, is he related to Freddie Mercury? 103 00:06:22,883 --> 00:06:27,443 I knew that his real name was Bulsara, very unusual surname. 104 00:06:27,523 --> 00:06:29,843 And I thought, that can't be a coincidence. 105 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:31,603 [gripping music playing] 106 00:06:31,683 --> 00:06:36,003 [male reporter] The forensic examination of the suspect's home and its contents 107 00:06:36,083 --> 00:06:38,483 is likely to continue throughout the day. 108 00:06:38,563 --> 00:06:42,003 [Jon] It was in all the newspapers, on all the news channels. 109 00:06:42,083 --> 00:06:45,323 Police over here are saying that this is a very significant development 110 00:06:45,403 --> 00:06:48,003 in what's been a 13-month-long investigation. 111 00:06:48,083 --> 00:06:51,243 My phone rang off the hook with every journalist in the universe 112 00:06:51,323 --> 00:06:53,683 trying to find, you know, get a quote. 113 00:06:53,763 --> 00:06:56,403 Police are still questioning a man in London tonight. 114 00:06:56,483 --> 00:07:00,203 And it was obvious to me that this was the biggest event of the year. 115 00:07:00,283 --> 00:07:03,403 After 24 hours, they could apply for an extension 116 00:07:03,483 --> 00:07:05,923 to hold him for further questioning. 117 00:07:06,003 --> 00:07:09,483 [Jeff] The answer coming back from Freddie Mercury's representatives 118 00:07:09,563 --> 00:07:11,403 was he doesn't have a cousin called Barry 119 00:07:11,483 --> 00:07:13,403 and hasn't a clue who this bloke is. 120 00:07:13,483 --> 00:07:15,843 [male reporter] The singer's family denied any connection. 121 00:07:15,923 --> 00:07:17,643 [Jeff] So I said, "So what are we saying?" 122 00:07:17,723 --> 00:07:21,523 "Is this guy some sort of fantasist?" And he said, "Well, put it this way, 123 00:07:21,603 --> 00:07:23,963 he doesn't appear to be the full ticket." 124 00:07:24,043 --> 00:07:26,163 [solemn music playing] 125 00:07:34,363 --> 00:07:37,523 I took great heart from the fact that 126 00:07:37,603 --> 00:07:40,563 nobody knew that his surname was George. 127 00:07:43,723 --> 00:07:46,043 We're just an ordinary family. 128 00:07:46,123 --> 00:07:48,523 These things don't happen to ordinary people. 129 00:07:49,963 --> 00:07:53,603 I thought that the whole thing was going to fall apart 130 00:07:53,683 --> 00:07:58,483 and we'd never have to tell people that this happened to us. 131 00:08:02,763 --> 00:08:05,683 I believed it was a mistake. 132 00:08:05,763 --> 00:08:10,843 They would soon realize, "No, we've got the wrong guy," and they would let him go. 133 00:08:17,243 --> 00:08:21,963 It is important to give everybody the chance to be innocent 134 00:08:22,043 --> 00:08:23,963 and let them demonstrate that 135 00:08:24,043 --> 00:08:26,683 because they will soon unravel if they're not. 136 00:08:26,763 --> 00:08:29,123 -[male interrogator] Do you tell lies? -No, sir. 137 00:08:30,323 --> 00:08:32,723 -Are you Freddie Mercury's cousin? -No, sir. 138 00:08:32,803 --> 00:08:35,243 Have you told people you're Freddie Mercury's cousin? 139 00:08:35,323 --> 00:08:36,763 I have done, sir. 140 00:08:36,843 --> 00:08:38,962 -Is that a lie, Mr. George? -Yes, sir. 141 00:08:40,163 --> 00:08:42,243 Things just turned from bad to worse. 142 00:08:42,323 --> 00:08:43,683 [tense music playing] 143 00:08:43,763 --> 00:08:47,523 I'm thinking, now you're trying to put me in a frame, 144 00:08:47,602 --> 00:08:51,963 use me as a, you know, scapegoat. That's as simple as that. 145 00:08:52,963 --> 00:08:55,803 [male interrogator] What's your interest in Jill Dando? 146 00:08:55,883 --> 00:08:58,123 I don't have an interest in Jill Dando, sir. 147 00:08:59,443 --> 00:09:03,043 I would have had no knowledge of who she was. 148 00:09:03,123 --> 00:09:05,763 [male interrogator] Do you know who Jill Dando was? 149 00:09:05,843 --> 00:09:10,923 Until after her, um, death, I had no idea. 150 00:09:11,003 --> 00:09:14,643 The position that Barry George maintained that he didn't know Jill Dando, 151 00:09:14,723 --> 00:09:17,563 he'd never heard of her, that was a lie. 152 00:09:20,083 --> 00:09:24,603 We found photographs of television presenters from his flat, always female. 153 00:09:25,523 --> 00:09:28,043 Many people are interested in celebrities. 154 00:09:28,123 --> 00:09:30,723 They're autograph hunters or they go to locations. 155 00:09:30,803 --> 00:09:36,243 But Barry George's interest appeared to be private and almost secret. 156 00:09:38,483 --> 00:09:40,403 Barry George knew of Jill Dando. 157 00:09:41,723 --> 00:09:43,523 It was frustrating and difficult. 158 00:09:43,603 --> 00:09:47,643 I mean, despite all the information we'd found in the intelligence, 159 00:09:47,723 --> 00:09:49,763 there was nothing there at that time 160 00:09:49,843 --> 00:09:52,563 where we could charge George with murdering Jill Dando. 161 00:09:55,923 --> 00:10:00,123 We had the maximum of 96 hours in custody. 162 00:10:00,203 --> 00:10:04,003 He either had to be charged or released at that stage. 163 00:10:06,763 --> 00:10:11,363 [Charlie] The public, watching programs like Crime Scene Investigator, CSI, 164 00:10:11,443 --> 00:10:14,963 they want the smoking gun. They want the hard, firm evidence 165 00:10:15,043 --> 00:10:19,283 that in reality just doesn't always exist in investigations. 166 00:10:19,363 --> 00:10:21,123 [gripping music playing] 167 00:10:21,203 --> 00:10:25,123 Investigation is about methodology, uh, and process. 168 00:10:26,643 --> 00:10:28,723 I went back to the forensic exhibits. 169 00:10:29,603 --> 00:10:33,043 I searched his home address. We found a coat. 170 00:10:34,443 --> 00:10:37,203 The three-quarter length coat which was very similar 171 00:10:37,283 --> 00:10:41,483 to the one that witnesses had described as being worn by the shooter. 172 00:10:43,403 --> 00:10:48,163 It had been photographed at the laboratory and sent for forensic analysis. 173 00:10:52,763 --> 00:10:56,483 [Barry] Allegedly, the coat that they recovered for evidence, 174 00:10:56,563 --> 00:10:59,563 it was a black cashmere coat, just like this one. 175 00:11:00,443 --> 00:11:06,523 And if I had been the perpetrator, there'd be cashmere and wool evidence. 176 00:11:06,603 --> 00:11:07,683 Thousands of fibers. 177 00:11:10,443 --> 00:11:13,003 [Hamish] Forensic material erodes very quickly. 178 00:11:13,083 --> 00:11:15,923 So the idea there would be blood, 179 00:11:16,923 --> 00:11:20,923 fibers or gunshot residue would be minimal 180 00:11:21,003 --> 00:11:23,163 because we were a year behind. 181 00:11:24,123 --> 00:11:26,283 If we couldn't find any direct evidence 182 00:11:26,363 --> 00:11:29,043 which could link George to that crime scene, 183 00:11:29,683 --> 00:11:30,883 he would need to be released. 184 00:11:32,883 --> 00:11:34,723 And then we received the report. 185 00:11:35,923 --> 00:11:39,483 The laboratory had found a single particle of gunshot residue 186 00:11:39,563 --> 00:11:43,043 in the inside coat pocket of the three-quarter length coat. 187 00:11:45,563 --> 00:11:50,163 George had been in the presence of discharged gunshot residue. 188 00:11:51,083 --> 00:11:53,363 And of all the types it could have been, 189 00:11:53,443 --> 00:11:57,003 that particle was the same type as found at the crime scene. 190 00:11:58,403 --> 00:12:01,843 This changed the investigation dramatically. 191 00:12:01,923 --> 00:12:04,563 [male interrogator] How do you explain the firearms residue 192 00:12:04,643 --> 00:12:06,523 in your coat pocket, Mr. George? 193 00:12:06,603 --> 00:12:09,523 The coat pocket of the coat that you may have been wearing 194 00:12:09,603 --> 00:12:12,363 on the day that Jill Dando was killed. How do you explain that? 195 00:12:15,363 --> 00:12:16,403 I can't explain. 196 00:12:17,243 --> 00:12:20,003 I have no knowledge. 197 00:12:20,083 --> 00:12:23,323 [Hamish] That's when his solicitor advised him to make no further comment. 198 00:12:24,523 --> 00:12:26,523 We had sufficient evidence now. 199 00:12:28,723 --> 00:12:31,643 And he was charged with the murder of Jill Dando. 200 00:12:33,443 --> 00:12:36,843 [male reporter] After four days of questioning at Hammersmith police station 201 00:12:36,923 --> 00:12:40,883 in West London, the self-styled Barry Bulsara was charged with murder 202 00:12:40,963 --> 00:12:44,043 under his original name of Barry Michael George. 203 00:12:44,603 --> 00:12:47,123 The detective leading the inquiry, Hamish Campbell, 204 00:12:47,203 --> 00:12:49,603 left the police station without comment. 205 00:12:49,683 --> 00:12:53,083 Mr. Bulsara was driven away to a jail in South London. 206 00:12:53,163 --> 00:12:55,203 [female reporter] Tonight, Barry Bulsara 207 00:12:55,283 --> 00:12:57,643 is spending his first night in prison after being charged 208 00:12:57,723 --> 00:12:59,603 with the murder of Jill Dando. 209 00:13:03,363 --> 00:13:06,043 [Michelle] I was in a department store in Cork 210 00:13:07,003 --> 00:13:10,403 and I got a phone call from Barry's solicitor. 211 00:13:10,483 --> 00:13:14,443 I thought that she was ringing me to say, "Okay, they're going to let him go." 212 00:13:14,523 --> 00:13:16,203 But that wasn't what she said. 213 00:13:17,123 --> 00:13:19,163 She said, "I'm really sorry." 214 00:13:20,003 --> 00:13:23,883 "I have to tell you that they're going to charge him." 215 00:13:25,923 --> 00:13:31,403 And she said, "They found this particle of gunshot residue on his coat." 216 00:13:31,483 --> 00:13:35,043 At that moment I had to ask, "Could he have done it?" 217 00:13:35,603 --> 00:13:38,003 [suspenseful music playing] 218 00:13:42,723 --> 00:13:47,363 I spent 32 years in prison and I was serving a sentence in Belmarsh. 219 00:13:48,483 --> 00:13:51,283 I knew a journalist who worked for Punch magazine. 220 00:13:51,963 --> 00:13:56,563 He phoned me up one day and said, "Barry George was arrested 221 00:13:56,643 --> 00:14:01,123 and on remand for high-profile execution-style murder with a firearm." 222 00:14:01,963 --> 00:14:04,323 "Is there any chance you can get a personal interview?" 223 00:14:04,403 --> 00:14:06,043 So I said, "Well, yeah." 224 00:14:06,123 --> 00:14:09,563 I put the phone down, sidled up to a friendly screw. 225 00:14:09,643 --> 00:14:13,123 I said, "I hear Barry George is in here." He said, "Yeah, he's in the hospital." 226 00:14:13,483 --> 00:14:17,883 Okay. I went back to my cell. Half hour later, I faked a heart attack. 227 00:14:19,563 --> 00:14:23,843 Uh, so the screws come rushing in, took me over to Belmarsh hospital, 228 00:14:24,483 --> 00:14:27,283 and I spotted him from the newspaper pictures. 229 00:14:28,443 --> 00:14:30,403 Tried to start a conversation with him. 230 00:14:30,483 --> 00:14:32,563 Obviously, I couldn't write anything down 231 00:14:32,643 --> 00:14:36,043 because, you know, I'm over there for a suspected heart attack, 232 00:14:36,123 --> 00:14:38,683 and if I had a notebook and a pen, they'd get suspicious. 233 00:14:42,003 --> 00:14:45,163 First question I asked him, "All right, mate. What's your name?" 234 00:14:45,243 --> 00:14:46,723 And he went, "Barry." 235 00:14:47,563 --> 00:14:50,843 I went, "Okay." I said, uh, "Do you like guns?" 236 00:14:50,923 --> 00:14:55,723 He looked at me for a minute and he said, "I like Guns N' Roses." 237 00:14:57,843 --> 00:15:00,803 And I remember thinking, he's got to be drugged out of it 238 00:15:00,883 --> 00:15:03,003 because he was so slow in his speech. 239 00:15:03,083 --> 00:15:05,403 And obviously I wanted the juicy story, didn't I? 240 00:15:05,483 --> 00:15:08,603 "Yes, I killed Jill Dando." That's going to be my journalistic coup. 241 00:15:08,683 --> 00:15:10,523 Uh, "Did you do the murder?" 242 00:15:11,563 --> 00:15:13,163 And he went, "No." 243 00:15:13,243 --> 00:15:17,603 And I went, "You know who was murdered?" And he went, "Yeah, it was Jill Dando." 244 00:15:17,683 --> 00:15:18,883 [imperceptible] 245 00:15:21,643 --> 00:15:23,163 I looked at him and I thought, 246 00:15:23,243 --> 00:15:25,763 "There's something not quite right about this guy." 247 00:15:25,843 --> 00:15:27,483 [intriguing music playing] 248 00:15:27,563 --> 00:15:30,923 I sent the interview and I said, "I've spoken to him." 249 00:15:31,003 --> 00:15:35,443 "He's not capable of committing a cold-blooded execution in broad daylight 250 00:15:35,523 --> 00:15:37,643 and then not speaking about it for a year." 251 00:15:37,723 --> 00:15:41,083 "No way," I said, "there's no way he could keep that secret." 252 00:15:44,163 --> 00:15:47,483 Seeing Barry behind the horrible Perspex screen, 253 00:15:48,163 --> 00:15:51,283 it was the most awful thing. 254 00:15:53,283 --> 00:15:58,883 He looked so vulnerable and we couldn't touch, 255 00:15:58,963 --> 00:16:05,203 but he put his hand up against the glass like that. And I put mine. 256 00:16:05,923 --> 00:16:11,003 He just looked straight in my eyes and he said, "I didn't do it." 257 00:16:11,083 --> 00:16:14,083 And I thought, "Right. That's enough for me." 258 00:16:15,003 --> 00:16:18,563 I just said, "We will fight this." 259 00:16:20,963 --> 00:16:25,763 We needed to get the best legal representation we could. 260 00:16:25,843 --> 00:16:27,803 [man] Michael Mansfield, slate nine. 261 00:16:28,923 --> 00:16:31,403 [male interviewer] It would be helpful if you could list 262 00:16:31,483 --> 00:16:33,843 some of the major cases that you've worked on. 263 00:16:33,923 --> 00:16:35,123 How long have you got? 264 00:16:35,203 --> 00:16:38,083 [male reporter 1] There were serious acts of violence 265 00:16:38,163 --> 00:16:40,203 by senior and junior police officers… 266 00:16:40,283 --> 00:16:43,683 [male reporter 2] Michael Mansfield is a high-profile barrister. 267 00:16:43,763 --> 00:16:46,643 He's represented the likes of the Birmingham Six. 268 00:16:46,723 --> 00:16:49,763 Guildford Four, Tottenham Three, Cardiff Five. 269 00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:53,803 Bloody Sunday in the north of Ireland. Hillsborough. 270 00:16:54,443 --> 00:16:57,443 A full examination of the issues and the truth of what went on 271 00:16:57,523 --> 00:16:59,523 hasn't even been fully explored yet. 272 00:16:59,643 --> 00:17:02,803 Mohamed Al-Fayed and Diana, that's pretty big. 273 00:17:02,923 --> 00:17:06,083 A whole series of cases involving the Black community, 274 00:17:06,163 --> 00:17:09,923 and then that culminated with the Lawrence inquiry. 275 00:17:16,122 --> 00:17:17,803 [pensive music playing] 276 00:17:17,882 --> 00:17:22,763 When I first met Barry, it took a little while to create, 277 00:17:22,843 --> 00:17:24,763 as it sometimes does, a relationship. 278 00:17:27,563 --> 00:17:31,642 I didn't recognize just how serious 279 00:17:31,723 --> 00:17:34,803 the workings of his mind were. 280 00:17:35,403 --> 00:17:38,603 He didn't respond in the way that people usually did. 281 00:17:39,563 --> 00:17:45,043 My concern then was the police allowed the case to be infused with this theory 282 00:17:45,123 --> 00:17:47,723 that it was this loner man. 283 00:17:49,003 --> 00:17:50,683 What is the case against him? 284 00:17:50,763 --> 00:17:55,403 That he's an oddball character, he has an obsession with women, 285 00:17:55,483 --> 00:17:57,363 but not particularly with Jill Dando. 286 00:17:58,643 --> 00:18:00,683 He had an interest in guns. 287 00:18:00,763 --> 00:18:05,603 And all of that produces an incontrovertible case 288 00:18:05,683 --> 00:18:07,683 that he's the man who did it. 289 00:18:08,803 --> 00:18:10,043 No, it doesn't. 290 00:18:11,083 --> 00:18:14,723 Now, if I were a police officer, I'd approach it a different way. 291 00:18:16,683 --> 00:18:21,843 Nearly every crime scene has the answer within the scene. 292 00:18:25,283 --> 00:18:27,363 I went on a bicycle to have a look at it. 293 00:18:28,963 --> 00:18:30,243 The front garden's tiny. 294 00:18:31,363 --> 00:18:35,603 It'd take you four or five paces from the gate. It's nothing. 295 00:18:37,963 --> 00:18:42,163 Between the time she clicks her driver's door closed, 296 00:18:42,243 --> 00:18:47,163 walks to the front door, it's a matter of yards only. 297 00:18:48,043 --> 00:18:51,883 It cannot have been a lone gunman. [chuckles] 298 00:18:51,963 --> 00:18:54,083 [intriguing music playing] 299 00:18:54,163 --> 00:18:57,763 It has to have been somebody with inside information. 300 00:18:57,843 --> 00:19:02,643 Every time you put Barry George into the role of the executioner, 301 00:19:02,723 --> 00:19:03,843 it doesn't work. 302 00:19:03,923 --> 00:19:08,603 He'd had to have had the loaded gun on him ready to fire 303 00:19:08,683 --> 00:19:13,123 and be crouched in the front garden so that she didn't see that he was there. 304 00:19:13,763 --> 00:19:15,843 Well, he'd have to be there for hours. 305 00:19:18,003 --> 00:19:19,163 Doesn't add up. 306 00:19:22,323 --> 00:19:26,403 I realized that this was an injustice in the making. 307 00:19:27,923 --> 00:19:34,643 So then, what kicks in is the feeling of, sadness is the wrong word, anger. 308 00:19:34,723 --> 00:19:36,083 I want to do something about it. 309 00:19:36,163 --> 00:19:38,043 [gripping music playing] 310 00:19:39,123 --> 00:19:40,163 [metal door slams] 311 00:19:41,003 --> 00:19:43,523 I had to ask myself, "Well, is it right?" 312 00:19:43,603 --> 00:19:47,363 "Is it fair? Is he fit to stand trial, understand the proceedings?" 313 00:19:49,203 --> 00:19:53,763 And so I'd asked him to be examined by the psychologists, 314 00:19:53,843 --> 00:19:56,083 in order to make some kind of assessment. 315 00:20:05,683 --> 00:20:07,843 [professor] I learned that the legal team 316 00:20:07,923 --> 00:20:11,443 were having huge difficulties with Barry George. 317 00:20:12,923 --> 00:20:17,163 Michael Mansfield said, "I think there's something not right here 318 00:20:17,243 --> 00:20:19,003 and he needs to be tested." 319 00:20:20,683 --> 00:20:23,923 I sat on the train thinking, what's this person going to be like 320 00:20:24,003 --> 00:20:26,203 'cause you know it had been in all the press, 321 00:20:26,283 --> 00:20:28,803 this monster who'd "killed" Jill Dando. 322 00:20:28,883 --> 00:20:30,643 [pensive music playing] 323 00:20:30,723 --> 00:20:37,083 But when I arrived, he was just so distressed 324 00:20:37,163 --> 00:20:40,403 and so all over the place. 325 00:20:40,483 --> 00:20:43,563 It was extreme. It was all coming one way. 326 00:20:43,643 --> 00:20:47,483 I felt like it was an avalanche of words hitting at me. 327 00:20:48,283 --> 00:20:50,483 "They've done this and they've done that." 328 00:20:53,723 --> 00:20:57,483 For his intellect, I found that he fell in the borderline range, 329 00:20:57,563 --> 00:20:59,563 so that's extremely low. 330 00:21:02,163 --> 00:21:05,323 With his working memory, his processing speed, 331 00:21:05,403 --> 00:21:08,203 actually, everything else was at the first percentile. 332 00:21:08,283 --> 00:21:13,803 So 99% of people would perform better than him. 333 00:21:13,883 --> 00:21:15,563 [intriguing music playing] 334 00:21:19,923 --> 00:21:22,443 [Jane] All newspapers were put on to what we call, 335 00:21:22,523 --> 00:21:25,003 getting the background on that person. 336 00:21:25,563 --> 00:21:29,763 And of course, what we found was very colorful indeed. 337 00:21:31,283 --> 00:21:35,083 It rapidly became clear that Barry George had built up 338 00:21:35,163 --> 00:21:38,923 a sort of a very fantasy life for himself. 339 00:21:39,683 --> 00:21:44,523 In the '80s, he had been fined for impersonating a police officer. 340 00:21:44,603 --> 00:21:49,603 He told women he was in the RAF, then it became the SAS, uh, 341 00:21:49,683 --> 00:21:53,683 whereas in reality he'd just been rejected from the Territorial Army. 342 00:21:53,763 --> 00:21:55,443 [male reporter] Aren't you a nutter? 343 00:21:55,523 --> 00:21:56,523 No. 344 00:21:57,803 --> 00:21:59,683 [Jane] And then this footage emerged. 345 00:22:00,563 --> 00:22:03,323 And now he was called Steve Majors all of a sudden 346 00:22:03,403 --> 00:22:08,083 and he was doing this stunt which involved going over the top 347 00:22:08,163 --> 00:22:12,283 of four double-decker buses whilst wearing roller skates. 348 00:22:12,363 --> 00:22:15,563 So you've never actually done anything like this before? 349 00:22:15,643 --> 00:22:18,003 Never in the world. It's never been done. 350 00:22:18,083 --> 00:22:21,043 Haven't you had a go on a mini-ramp just to have a practice? 351 00:22:21,123 --> 00:22:23,203 -No, not at all. -[chuckles softly] 352 00:22:23,283 --> 00:22:25,003 [gripping music playing] 353 00:22:26,483 --> 00:22:27,803 [Barry screams] 354 00:22:28,483 --> 00:22:33,723 [Jane] I think he dislocated his spine, he fractured his femur 355 00:22:33,803 --> 00:22:37,363 and you think, fantasist of the first order. 356 00:22:38,123 --> 00:22:43,163 But could you make the leap from that to this is the man 357 00:22:43,243 --> 00:22:48,323 that walked up to Jill Dando and shot her in cold blood in the head? 358 00:22:54,003 --> 00:22:55,563 [birds screeching] 359 00:22:55,643 --> 00:22:57,843 [pensive music playing] 360 00:22:57,923 --> 00:23:01,243 [Michael] The essence of the case has two dimensions. One is a culprit, 361 00:23:02,043 --> 00:23:05,923 and the other thing you need to grasp is the evidence. 362 00:23:06,563 --> 00:23:12,363 The ballistics, namely the cartridge case left behind from the bullet. 363 00:23:13,963 --> 00:23:15,523 It had been adapted. 364 00:23:17,683 --> 00:23:21,283 The crimping of the cartridge case, that's rare. 365 00:23:22,083 --> 00:23:26,003 Somebody had written in to the police, trying to help, 366 00:23:26,083 --> 00:23:29,203 saying, "I'm very familiar with this kind of ammunition." 367 00:23:29,283 --> 00:23:32,323 "I served in Eastern Europe in the Balkans, 368 00:23:32,443 --> 00:23:34,523 and crimping is a characteristic." 369 00:23:35,603 --> 00:23:41,163 So then you have to say to yourself, where does that take you? To Serbia. 370 00:23:42,763 --> 00:23:44,043 [loud explosion] 371 00:23:44,123 --> 00:23:46,283 [gripping music playing] 372 00:23:47,563 --> 00:23:49,003 [distant explosion] 373 00:23:49,083 --> 00:23:50,883 [distant siren wailing] 374 00:23:50,963 --> 00:23:52,883 There was a Serbian connection. 375 00:23:53,803 --> 00:23:55,363 Right there on the doorstep. 376 00:23:57,323 --> 00:23:59,163 And it had happened before. 377 00:24:00,203 --> 00:24:03,923 Earlier in April, the month in which Jill Dando was murdered, 378 00:24:04,003 --> 00:24:07,003 another journalist was also murdered 379 00:24:07,083 --> 00:24:12,163 outside his home in Belgrade, I think about 11 days before. 380 00:24:12,243 --> 00:24:16,163 [reporter] Talk of Serbian involvement in the murder was all but discarded. 381 00:24:16,243 --> 00:24:19,883 There is no link whatsoever between any of those more speculative theories 382 00:24:19,963 --> 00:24:20,803 that we've been… 383 00:24:20,883 --> 00:24:22,963 [Michael] I don't want to be facetious, 384 00:24:23,043 --> 00:24:25,243 but I think the police didn't take it seriously 385 00:24:25,323 --> 00:24:29,443 because there'd been no real investigation of the Serbian connection. 386 00:24:30,563 --> 00:24:36,603 It has all the hallmarks of an organized, orchestrated execution, 387 00:24:37,243 --> 00:24:42,603 which in my view, point heavily away from Barry George. 388 00:24:42,683 --> 00:24:44,083 Am I getting carried away? 389 00:24:45,043 --> 00:24:46,203 [laughs] 390 00:24:46,883 --> 00:24:49,043 [gripping music playing] 391 00:24:57,123 --> 00:24:59,923 [Hamish] A major part of the inquiry was to try to follow up 392 00:25:00,003 --> 00:25:03,163 on some of the women who were in the photographs. 393 00:25:05,363 --> 00:25:07,243 [Barry] The undeveloped film. 394 00:25:07,323 --> 00:25:11,123 If they were for myself, why didn't I develop them? 395 00:25:11,203 --> 00:25:12,643 Because there were masses of them. 396 00:25:13,723 --> 00:25:15,523 They said that I'd been… 397 00:25:15,603 --> 00:25:19,763 What is it, their words? Stalking people. 398 00:25:19,843 --> 00:25:23,963 But where I was talking with people, right, 399 00:25:25,123 --> 00:25:30,683 and if at any time they didn't feel comfortable in my presence, 400 00:25:31,603 --> 00:25:33,003 I would have walked away. 401 00:25:35,563 --> 00:25:38,403 As time went on and we got closer to the trial, 402 00:25:38,483 --> 00:25:40,563 other details started to emerge. 403 00:25:40,643 --> 00:25:45,403 There was a real escalation in the level of disturbing behavior. 404 00:25:46,283 --> 00:25:51,763 We'd gone from what looked like a sort of a harmless, quirky fantasist 405 00:25:51,843 --> 00:25:54,323 towards something much more sinister. 406 00:25:55,403 --> 00:25:59,883 There was the arrest for attempted rape, sexual offences. 407 00:26:00,963 --> 00:26:03,683 Then, of course, this other piece of evidence came up. 408 00:26:04,403 --> 00:26:05,643 [people cheering] 409 00:26:05,723 --> 00:26:08,163 He had an obsession with Princess Diana 410 00:26:08,243 --> 00:26:11,443 and he had been caught in the grounds of Kensington Palace 411 00:26:11,523 --> 00:26:17,443 with a coil of rope, wearing combat gear, carrying a 12-inch hunting knife. 412 00:26:18,083 --> 00:26:21,123 And at the time, the police had just thought it was harmless, 413 00:26:21,203 --> 00:26:23,483 which I have to say, I find astonishing. 414 00:26:24,323 --> 00:26:26,643 That was not normal behavior. 415 00:26:27,563 --> 00:26:29,083 [imperceptible] 416 00:26:29,163 --> 00:26:34,443 So this became another part of the puzzle that, for the media, 417 00:26:34,523 --> 00:26:38,483 pointed towards the possibility of him being involved. 418 00:26:38,563 --> 00:26:40,563 [intriguing music playing] 419 00:26:43,083 --> 00:26:47,243 [female reporter] In May last year, detectives arrested Barry Michael George. 420 00:26:47,323 --> 00:26:49,803 His trial, which begins at the Old Bailey today, 421 00:26:49,883 --> 00:26:53,723 is expected to last at least six weeks. He denies murder. 422 00:26:54,403 --> 00:26:57,763 [man] I was the courts correspondent of the London Evening Standard. 423 00:26:57,843 --> 00:27:01,323 There was a thirst, a desperation for information 424 00:27:01,403 --> 00:27:03,483 which had to emerge from the trial. 425 00:27:03,563 --> 00:27:05,003 [people clamoring] 426 00:27:06,003 --> 00:27:10,243 The road outside the Old Bailey was packed with television crews. 427 00:27:10,323 --> 00:27:14,763 It stopped the traffic. It was a massive media occasion. 428 00:27:14,843 --> 00:27:18,243 [male reporter 1] Two years and eight days after Jill Dando's murder, 429 00:27:18,323 --> 00:27:21,163 her fiancé Alan Farthing arrived at the Old Bailey. 430 00:27:21,723 --> 00:27:25,843 With him was Jill's brother Nigel and other members of the Dando family. 431 00:27:25,923 --> 00:27:27,763 [male reporter 2] From the defendant's family, 432 00:27:27,843 --> 00:27:29,643 Michelle Diskin, Barry George's sister. 433 00:27:29,723 --> 00:27:33,043 [female reporter] George is being defended by Michael Mansfield QC. 434 00:27:42,683 --> 00:27:47,683 It was the first sighting in public of Barry George since his arrest, 435 00:27:47,763 --> 00:27:51,043 which was big in itself because everybody wanted to see 436 00:27:52,123 --> 00:27:54,643 the man who was accused of killing Jill Dando. 437 00:27:54,723 --> 00:27:56,323 [tense music playing] 438 00:27:58,883 --> 00:28:01,483 [Michelle] I was allowed to be quite close to Barry. 439 00:28:02,443 --> 00:28:04,483 He looked totally lost. 440 00:28:04,563 --> 00:28:06,163 [breathing heavily] 441 00:28:10,123 --> 00:28:14,683 [Nigel] When the prosecution started to outline the case, 442 00:28:14,763 --> 00:28:16,683 uh, we were able to hear more details 443 00:28:16,763 --> 00:28:19,963 of exactly what the police case was against Barry George. 444 00:28:23,243 --> 00:28:25,923 The first few weeks of the trial, we had learned 445 00:28:26,003 --> 00:28:31,243 that a witness on Gowan Avenue had potentially placed Barry George 446 00:28:31,323 --> 00:28:34,083 on that road at 7:30 in the morning. 447 00:28:34,163 --> 00:28:36,243 [male reporter] Susan Mayes, who told the court 448 00:28:36,323 --> 00:28:38,403 she was very sure she had seen the defendant 449 00:28:38,483 --> 00:28:40,083 near Jill Dando's house. 450 00:28:40,163 --> 00:28:41,843 Ms. Mayes told the court that the man 451 00:28:41,923 --> 00:28:44,723 seemed nervous and tried to shield his face. 452 00:28:44,803 --> 00:28:47,363 We also heard that Barry George had attempted 453 00:28:47,443 --> 00:28:50,323 to retrace his own steps that morning. 454 00:28:50,403 --> 00:28:52,923 [female reporter] On the same day, George had visited 455 00:28:53,003 --> 00:28:54,843 a local advice center known as HAFAD 456 00:28:54,923 --> 00:28:59,123 Two days later, he went back trying to establish what time he'd been there. 457 00:28:59,203 --> 00:29:04,123 [Jane] And in the prosecution's view, he was trying to create a false alibi. 458 00:29:05,483 --> 00:29:08,523 And then, of course, the particle of gun residue 459 00:29:08,603 --> 00:29:11,003 that was found in the coat pocket, 460 00:29:11,723 --> 00:29:16,363 which then the prosecution claimed put him in the presence of a fired gun. 461 00:29:16,443 --> 00:29:18,843 In police interviews, George couldn't explain 462 00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:21,083 how the particle had come to be in his coat, 463 00:29:21,163 --> 00:29:24,323 and the jury were told it was compelling evidence of his guilt. 464 00:29:26,123 --> 00:29:32,083 The prosecution made the allegation that I forced her to the ground 465 00:29:32,163 --> 00:29:34,243 and then put a gun to her head. 466 00:29:34,323 --> 00:29:39,163 But if I had pushed her down, if you think, if you just-- 467 00:29:39,243 --> 00:29:42,963 -Do you mind, come, being a guinea pig? -[female interviewer] Yeah. 468 00:29:43,483 --> 00:29:45,563 If I had pushed you down, 469 00:29:45,643 --> 00:29:48,603 -you're facing your door… -Yeah. 470 00:29:48,683 --> 00:29:51,043 -Putting the keys in your door. -Yeah. 471 00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:54,923 If I had pushed you down, and it was alleged 472 00:29:55,003 --> 00:29:57,443 -I pushed you down with my left hand… -Yeah. 473 00:29:58,363 --> 00:30:04,403 There'd be masses of blood or gunshot residue over the perpetrator. 474 00:30:04,483 --> 00:30:06,923 They found one particle, right? 475 00:30:08,643 --> 00:30:10,003 I rest my case. 476 00:30:14,403 --> 00:30:16,843 [Jane] We sort of got to the closing of the prosecution 477 00:30:16,923 --> 00:30:21,843 and we realized that, hang on, that is… that is all there is. 478 00:30:22,763 --> 00:30:23,763 [indistinct chatter] 479 00:30:23,843 --> 00:30:28,963 The particle of gun residue was dynamite piece of evidence, 480 00:30:29,043 --> 00:30:31,843 but actually all of the other stuff, 481 00:30:31,923 --> 00:30:36,203 unpleasant though some of it was, was very circumstantial. 482 00:30:36,283 --> 00:30:37,603 [intriguing music playing] 483 00:30:37,683 --> 00:30:42,483 When the prosecution case wound up, the question was, is it enough? 484 00:30:42,563 --> 00:30:44,083 [camera shutters clicking] 485 00:30:44,163 --> 00:30:47,803 It's a long-standing maxim around Scotland Yard 486 00:30:47,883 --> 00:30:51,483 is that until you've actually been cross-examined by Michael Mansfield 487 00:30:51,563 --> 00:30:53,643 on the contents of your notebook, 488 00:30:53,723 --> 00:30:56,843 then as a police officer, you haven't earned your stripes. 489 00:30:58,243 --> 00:31:01,123 [Hamish] Yes, there was a level of nervousness, of course, 490 00:31:01,203 --> 00:31:06,123 because Mr. Mansfield is not someone you can ever [chuckles] fool 491 00:31:06,203 --> 00:31:09,003 or seek to evade answers from. 492 00:31:10,203 --> 00:31:13,043 [Paul] Michael Mansfield once said that he took the view 493 00:31:13,123 --> 00:31:17,163 that whenever he's cross-examining a policeman in court, 494 00:31:17,243 --> 00:31:19,963 his thoughts are, "This man is lying." 495 00:31:21,363 --> 00:31:23,403 So, the great moment arrived 496 00:31:23,483 --> 00:31:27,403 when Michael Mansfield came to cross-examine Hamish Campbell. 497 00:31:28,683 --> 00:31:30,883 It was a battle of wills across the courtroom. 498 00:31:32,683 --> 00:31:35,683 [Michael] You found a particle of firearms residue, 499 00:31:35,763 --> 00:31:37,723 but, well, it works the other way, doesn't it? 500 00:31:37,803 --> 00:31:41,123 The absence of particles anywhere else at all 501 00:31:41,203 --> 00:31:42,803 in his flat, that's important. 502 00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:48,403 [Hamish] George had been in the presence of discharged gunshot residue, primer, 503 00:31:48,483 --> 00:31:53,443 but he denied firing any gun of any sort for many, many years. 504 00:31:53,523 --> 00:31:57,203 There was no evidence indicating that he'd ever owned a weapon 505 00:31:57,283 --> 00:31:59,203 that could have been the gun in this case. 506 00:31:59,283 --> 00:32:02,723 The possession of the firearm, armorer's gun cards, 507 00:32:02,803 --> 00:32:04,883 the magazines, the holster. 508 00:32:04,963 --> 00:32:08,603 If there'd been a real investigation of the Serbian connection… 509 00:32:09,203 --> 00:32:14,883 [Hamish] We did explore this Serbian issue by asking the security services, 510 00:32:14,963 --> 00:32:18,603 and there is no evidence at all which suggests 511 00:32:18,683 --> 00:32:21,963 that the Serbians or the NATO conflict was responsible. 512 00:32:22,483 --> 00:32:25,203 [Michael] Where was the evidence of an obsession with Jill Dando? 513 00:32:25,283 --> 00:32:27,603 He might go up to women and talk to them 514 00:32:27,683 --> 00:32:30,723 and pretend to be the cousin of Freddie Mercury, 515 00:32:31,683 --> 00:32:33,603 but that doesn't make him a murderer. 516 00:32:33,683 --> 00:32:38,123 Barry George was perfectly capable of committing that crime. 517 00:32:38,203 --> 00:32:41,563 Barry George did not murder Jill Dando. 518 00:32:44,603 --> 00:32:47,603 [female reporter] Defense barrister Michael Mansfield QC 519 00:32:47,683 --> 00:32:49,603 has suggested the Crimewatch presenter 520 00:32:49,683 --> 00:32:52,603 may have been assassinated by an underworld hitman 521 00:32:52,683 --> 00:32:55,123 or a Serbian gunman in retaliation… 522 00:32:55,203 --> 00:32:59,163 Mr. Mansfield told the jury that there's no evidence since the mid-1980s 523 00:32:59,243 --> 00:33:01,283 that his client has owned, possessed, 524 00:33:01,363 --> 00:33:03,243 carried or bought any weapon or ammunition… 525 00:33:03,323 --> 00:33:06,483 Mr. Mansfield also pointed out that police had been able to find 526 00:33:06,563 --> 00:33:11,403 no forensic evidence of any firearms, fired or otherwise, at Mr. George's flat. 527 00:33:11,483 --> 00:33:13,283 [gripping music playing] 528 00:33:17,123 --> 00:33:21,723 [Michelle] I was really quite confident that, um, it would not be a conviction 529 00:33:21,803 --> 00:33:23,563 because it was quite obvious 530 00:33:23,643 --> 00:33:26,603 from the evidence that Barry hadn't done it. 531 00:33:27,563 --> 00:33:30,843 The judge took nearly three days to sum up all the evidence. 532 00:33:32,403 --> 00:33:36,123 And then the jury was sent out for their deliberations. 533 00:33:38,043 --> 00:33:41,723 Mr. Justice Gage told them to take their time in considering their verdict 534 00:33:41,803 --> 00:33:44,603 and asked that they try to come to a unanimous decision. 535 00:33:45,923 --> 00:33:48,843 [Hamish] Each day we were just waiting at court for the verdict. 536 00:33:54,003 --> 00:33:56,603 We were all called back into court. 537 00:33:56,683 --> 00:34:00,403 We were told, um, "Oh, there's a decision, there's a decision." 538 00:34:00,483 --> 00:34:02,163 [suspenseful music playing] 539 00:34:02,243 --> 00:34:05,803 [Michael] One member of the jury sat on the front row, she was in tears, 540 00:34:05,883 --> 00:34:08,523 and that could have meant a number of things. 541 00:34:09,803 --> 00:34:12,243 [Michelle] The foreman was asked to rise. 542 00:34:12,323 --> 00:34:14,282 In fact, I even caught his eye. 543 00:34:16,403 --> 00:34:19,083 He was then asked, "Do you find Barry George 544 00:34:19,163 --> 00:34:21,163 guilty or not guilty of murder?" 545 00:34:22,083 --> 00:34:23,043 And the answer was… 546 00:34:24,483 --> 00:34:26,643 [suspenseful music intensifies] 547 00:34:28,083 --> 00:34:28,963 [music fades] 548 00:34:29,043 --> 00:34:30,523 They found me guilty. 549 00:34:31,803 --> 00:34:33,603 How could they have convicted me? 550 00:34:35,563 --> 00:34:37,043 [Michelle] I looked at Barry. 551 00:34:38,043 --> 00:34:40,323 And the look on his face. 552 00:34:42,883 --> 00:34:45,563 It was the most desolate look. 553 00:34:48,282 --> 00:34:50,043 And then all hell broke loose. 554 00:34:50,123 --> 00:34:51,043 [clamoring] 555 00:34:51,123 --> 00:34:55,443 Late this afternoon at the Old Bailey, Barry George was found guilty… 556 00:34:55,523 --> 00:34:57,563 …of the murder of Jill Dando. 557 00:34:57,643 --> 00:35:02,643 The judge told Barry George his actions have deprived Ms. Dando's fiancé, family, 558 00:35:02,723 --> 00:35:07,083 friends and the wider public of a much-loved and popular personality. 559 00:35:07,163 --> 00:35:10,843 A woman-hating loner has been sentenced to life in jail… 560 00:35:10,923 --> 00:35:13,923 Ending a case that shocked the country in 1999. 561 00:35:14,683 --> 00:35:18,923 You are unpredictable and dangerous, and are likely to remain so for some time. 562 00:35:19,003 --> 00:35:22,323 There can be only one sentence, imprisonment for life. 563 00:35:22,403 --> 00:35:25,763 [male reporter] As Barry George begins his life sentence for the murder, 564 00:35:25,843 --> 00:35:29,683 people are contemplating what turned him from a relatively harmless eccentric 565 00:35:29,763 --> 00:35:32,203 into an astonishingly cold-blooded assassin. 566 00:35:33,083 --> 00:35:37,563 [Jane] Barry George, who all his life had sought fame, 567 00:35:37,643 --> 00:35:40,323 suddenly the most famous man in Britain, 568 00:35:40,403 --> 00:35:45,443 a fame that he probably didn't want, but he certainly got. 569 00:35:45,523 --> 00:35:47,123 [gripping music playing] 570 00:35:50,043 --> 00:35:52,003 [Michael] It affected me very badly 571 00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:55,363 because I felt we pulled out all the stops. 572 00:35:55,443 --> 00:36:00,163 We had really demonstrated an extremely weak-to-non-existent case. 573 00:36:00,843 --> 00:36:05,123 I thought, "What on earth have I done? Have I got it right or wrong?" 574 00:36:05,203 --> 00:36:08,283 I have no doubts, and if people were to read the information 575 00:36:08,363 --> 00:36:10,803 and understand the full facts, I think, like the jury, 576 00:36:10,883 --> 00:36:14,003 they would equally be assured that Barry George murdered Ms. Dando. 577 00:36:14,083 --> 00:36:17,763 That verdict of guilty was viewed as a success. 578 00:36:18,603 --> 00:36:21,083 On behalf of Jill's family, I'd just like to say 579 00:36:21,163 --> 00:36:23,243 that obviously I welcome today's verdict. 580 00:36:23,843 --> 00:36:25,963 You'll appreciate that these past two years 581 00:36:26,043 --> 00:36:28,963 have been a very difficult time for those closest to Jill. 582 00:36:29,643 --> 00:36:32,803 But we've gained strength from the enormous amount of goodwill 583 00:36:32,883 --> 00:36:36,083 from people all over the country for whom Jill meant so much. 584 00:36:37,203 --> 00:36:39,243 [interviewer] Tell us how you felt in that moment. 585 00:36:39,323 --> 00:36:41,043 No, I'm not going to answer that question. 586 00:36:41,763 --> 00:36:43,683 Because of what happens next. 587 00:36:48,723 --> 00:36:50,203 [birds squawking] 588 00:36:53,643 --> 00:36:55,603 [pensive music playing] 589 00:37:03,283 --> 00:37:05,283 [Barry] I live in Ireland now. 590 00:37:09,163 --> 00:37:10,923 It's quiet here. 591 00:37:12,843 --> 00:37:16,803 You're treated like a scab in London, but you're not here. 592 00:37:16,883 --> 00:37:18,323 [birds chirping] 593 00:37:24,723 --> 00:37:26,563 [breathing heavily] 594 00:37:30,643 --> 00:37:31,683 [female interviewer sighs] 595 00:37:31,763 --> 00:37:33,363 -Moment. -[female interviewer] Oh, yeah. 596 00:37:33,963 --> 00:37:35,963 -Refreshment break. -Refreshments. 597 00:37:40,083 --> 00:37:42,243 I was locked up for eight years. 598 00:37:42,803 --> 00:37:47,523 I knew in my own conscious I hadn't done anything of what they said. 599 00:37:49,243 --> 00:37:52,843 I was taking everything step-by-step. 600 00:37:53,763 --> 00:37:57,283 I was just keeping my eyes and ears open 601 00:37:57,363 --> 00:38:04,043 and hoping what I hear, you know, is good, 602 00:38:04,843 --> 00:38:07,123 um, and it was. 603 00:38:16,803 --> 00:38:18,323 [man] My name is Raphael Rowe. 604 00:38:19,603 --> 00:38:22,043 I am an investigative journalist. 605 00:38:23,603 --> 00:38:26,883 A few years after Barry George was convicted, 606 00:38:26,963 --> 00:38:28,723 his sister reached out to me. 607 00:38:28,803 --> 00:38:30,643 She was asking if I could help 608 00:38:30,723 --> 00:38:34,043 highlight the fact that her brother was wrongly imprisoned. 609 00:38:34,843 --> 00:38:36,843 I was at BBC Panorama at the time, 610 00:38:36,923 --> 00:38:38,883 but when I was 20 years old, 611 00:38:38,963 --> 00:38:42,043 I was wrongly convicted of murder and a series of robberies. 612 00:38:42,123 --> 00:38:43,883 [people cheering] 613 00:38:43,963 --> 00:38:47,763 I spent the next 12 years in maximum security prisons. 614 00:38:47,843 --> 00:38:49,963 I've waited a long time for this. 615 00:38:50,043 --> 00:38:53,723 The only reason I'm standing here now is because of my sister… 616 00:38:53,803 --> 00:38:57,043 And Michelle was convincing. 617 00:38:58,683 --> 00:39:00,723 You know, she sounded like my sister did 618 00:39:00,803 --> 00:39:03,483 when my sister was saying, "Help my brother." 619 00:39:03,563 --> 00:39:04,883 It resonated with me. 620 00:39:04,963 --> 00:39:08,403 [Barry on phone] I haven't committed this crime, right? 621 00:39:08,483 --> 00:39:10,083 I don't deserve to be here. 622 00:39:10,163 --> 00:39:12,283 [Raphael] When I first spoke to Barry George, 623 00:39:12,363 --> 00:39:14,403 he was able to tell me that he was innocent, 624 00:39:14,483 --> 00:39:17,443 but he wasn't really able to tell me why he was innocent. 625 00:39:18,203 --> 00:39:20,603 [Raphael on phone] So you didn't kill Jill Dando? 626 00:39:21,123 --> 00:39:23,403 -[Barry] Of course not. -[phone beeps] 627 00:39:23,483 --> 00:39:25,803 All right, I'll go and see if I can find out 628 00:39:25,883 --> 00:39:27,483 whether he's telling the truth. 629 00:39:29,283 --> 00:39:31,643 I did what I did best, 630 00:39:32,763 --> 00:39:34,723 which is read every line of every statement, 631 00:39:34,803 --> 00:39:36,483 looking for inconsistencies. 632 00:39:37,763 --> 00:39:40,643 And I was really shocked by what I found. 633 00:39:42,043 --> 00:39:46,083 The only piece of evidence that supposedly linked him 634 00:39:46,163 --> 00:39:48,083 to the crime was the gunshot residue. 635 00:39:48,163 --> 00:39:51,403 The link is there, the jury heard that, you're guilty. 636 00:39:51,483 --> 00:39:53,483 Why would that be in there if you didn't? 637 00:39:54,563 --> 00:39:59,163 So, I went to America, I ended up in Boston, speaking to the FBI, 638 00:39:59,243 --> 00:40:04,083 who started to question the reliability of gunshot particles 639 00:40:04,163 --> 00:40:06,203 because it was no longer being relied on 640 00:40:06,283 --> 00:40:10,723 in cases in America, um, for contamination concerns. 641 00:40:11,483 --> 00:40:13,763 So I spoke to this ballistic expert and said, 642 00:40:13,843 --> 00:40:17,043 "Was it from the gun that killed Jill Dando? Was it even a gunshot?" 643 00:40:17,123 --> 00:40:21,643 If this particle was found in a taxi, 644 00:40:22,883 --> 00:40:26,123 uh, nobody would think about gunshot residue. 645 00:40:26,203 --> 00:40:29,163 [Raphael] He completely undermined the science 646 00:40:29,243 --> 00:40:32,803 that was relied on at Barry George's trial. 647 00:40:34,723 --> 00:40:38,643 At the end of my investigation, the findings were then presented 648 00:40:38,723 --> 00:40:40,923 to the Criminal Cases Review Commission 649 00:40:41,003 --> 00:40:43,883 and it led to them commissioning a new report 650 00:40:43,963 --> 00:40:49,683 that this ballistic evidence shouldn't be admissible as evidence 651 00:40:49,763 --> 00:40:53,443 as to guilt or innocence and could no longer be relied on. 652 00:40:57,523 --> 00:41:01,883 That's when the court said, "We dismiss the finding of guilt 653 00:41:01,963 --> 00:41:06,363 on account of the new understanding and appreciation of gunshot residue." 654 00:41:06,443 --> 00:41:08,843 "So there must be a retrial." 655 00:41:08,923 --> 00:41:10,603 [pensive music playing] 656 00:41:13,363 --> 00:41:16,003 It was like déjà vu. 657 00:41:16,083 --> 00:41:17,803 [reporter] Michelle arrived from Ireland, 658 00:41:17,883 --> 00:41:21,723 after years of waiting for the evidence in her brother's case to be reviewed again. 659 00:41:21,803 --> 00:41:25,443 Today, we're hoping that we're going to get justice for Barry. Thank you. 660 00:41:26,363 --> 00:41:29,123 The judge asked for their decision. 661 00:41:30,483 --> 00:41:34,163 And he said, "Not guilty." 662 00:41:34,243 --> 00:41:38,643 For the first time in all of those years, 663 00:41:38,723 --> 00:41:42,163 I let emotion show on my face. 664 00:41:42,243 --> 00:41:46,683 We stood up and just whooped. Joy. 665 00:41:46,763 --> 00:41:49,163 [reporters clamoring] 666 00:41:49,243 --> 00:41:51,923 Following the verdict, the Crown Prosecution Service said, 667 00:41:52,003 --> 00:41:55,923 Mr. George now has the right to be regarded as an innocent man. 668 00:41:57,163 --> 00:42:01,483 I was still trying to get my mind around it. 669 00:42:01,563 --> 00:42:04,803 [male reporter] Barry George leaving the Old Bailey 670 00:42:04,883 --> 00:42:07,403 a free man for the first time in eight years. 671 00:42:07,483 --> 00:42:09,843 [Barry] I was glad to be out of there. 672 00:42:09,923 --> 00:42:14,723 When you've got allegations coming at you 24/7, 673 00:42:14,803 --> 00:42:17,003 you know, no let up. 674 00:42:18,763 --> 00:42:22,003 How, I mean, how else would you feel? 675 00:42:22,603 --> 00:42:25,323 Barry George left the court through the back. 676 00:42:25,403 --> 00:42:29,643 He was bundled into a car, looking absolutely exhausted but very relieved. 677 00:42:29,723 --> 00:42:31,723 [all clamoring] 678 00:42:33,043 --> 00:42:34,683 [camera shutters clicking] 679 00:42:34,763 --> 00:42:36,443 My sister is my rock. 680 00:42:38,603 --> 00:42:40,283 Don't tell her I said that. 681 00:42:40,363 --> 00:42:41,963 [solemn music playing] 682 00:42:43,763 --> 00:42:47,763 First thing I want to say is that we're disappointed at today's verdict 683 00:42:47,843 --> 00:42:51,163 but we're especially disappointed for Jill's family and friends. 684 00:42:51,243 --> 00:42:53,643 [Hamish] Do I think he should have been found not guilty? 685 00:42:53,723 --> 00:42:56,843 We accept and respect the decision of the court this afternoon. 686 00:42:56,923 --> 00:43:01,803 I thought the guilty verdict in 2001 was the correct verdict. 687 00:43:02,803 --> 00:43:05,123 We will reflect upon today's verdict 688 00:43:05,963 --> 00:43:09,203 and reconsider what the next steps will be. 689 00:43:09,283 --> 00:43:10,283 Thank you very much. 690 00:43:10,363 --> 00:43:12,563 [male reporter] A huge embarrassment for the police? 691 00:43:12,643 --> 00:43:13,483 Thank you. 692 00:43:13,603 --> 00:43:16,363 Barry George tonight walks free. 693 00:43:16,443 --> 00:43:17,803 But the question remains, 694 00:43:17,883 --> 00:43:21,083 if he did not kill Jill Dando, then who did? 695 00:43:21,763 --> 00:43:23,603 [pensive music playing] 696 00:43:31,763 --> 00:43:34,963 I think it's really interesting, after his acquittal 697 00:43:35,043 --> 00:43:38,443 there has been no more serious investigation into, 698 00:43:38,523 --> 00:43:39,763 into Jill Dando's death. 699 00:43:40,963 --> 00:43:44,883 I think as far as the police were concerned, it was case closed. 700 00:43:46,483 --> 00:43:51,283 It's been in the news or subject to comment and report 701 00:43:51,363 --> 00:43:53,123 every year for 23 years. 702 00:43:53,963 --> 00:43:55,963 I think people like a mystery. 703 00:43:56,043 --> 00:43:58,043 But I don't think it's a mystery at all. 704 00:44:05,603 --> 00:44:08,483 [female interviewer] If I was to say to you, did you kill Jill Dando? 705 00:44:08,563 --> 00:44:10,483 -What would you say? -Simply no. 706 00:44:15,323 --> 00:44:21,763 It makes me angry that they've taken eight years of my life… away. 707 00:44:22,763 --> 00:44:25,243 They just basically persecuted me. 708 00:44:25,323 --> 00:44:27,123 [pensive music playing] 709 00:44:28,643 --> 00:44:32,003 [male interviewer] Do you think that Barry George killed Jill Dando? 710 00:44:32,083 --> 00:44:33,683 I did, yes. 711 00:44:35,723 --> 00:44:37,443 [male interviewer] But do you now? 712 00:44:38,083 --> 00:44:39,843 I don't think I've changed my mind. 713 00:44:41,243 --> 00:44:44,043 If anybody in this documentary who you interview, 714 00:44:44,123 --> 00:44:46,243 uh, says that Barry George did it, 715 00:44:46,323 --> 00:44:50,603 I think they need to see somebody, get help. 716 00:44:50,683 --> 00:44:54,603 They wasted all those resources they had, uh, on this guy, 717 00:44:54,683 --> 00:44:58,563 when the real perpetrator is free 718 00:44:58,643 --> 00:45:03,043 and having dinner somewhere. You know, it's just ridiculous. 719 00:45:05,643 --> 00:45:10,443 Barry George had been acquitted by a jury, which is the seal of innocence. 720 00:45:11,123 --> 00:45:14,403 And the police say, "We're not looking for anybody else. We got it right." 721 00:45:14,483 --> 00:45:17,523 Well, sorry, the file should still be open on this case. 722 00:45:18,803 --> 00:45:20,523 They should be looking. 723 00:45:20,603 --> 00:45:26,203 The public also know where there hasn't been any resolution. 724 00:45:26,283 --> 00:45:30,483 So it makes sense they want to examine it themselves. 725 00:45:32,643 --> 00:45:35,163 -[gripping music playing] -[keyboard clacking] 726 00:45:35,803 --> 00:45:36,683 [mouse clicks] 727 00:45:40,323 --> 00:45:43,723 What happened that morning remains a mystery, the crime unsolved, 728 00:45:43,803 --> 00:45:45,643 her killer never held to justice. 729 00:45:46,683 --> 00:45:48,603 [Nigel] There have been a number of stories 730 00:45:48,683 --> 00:45:51,523 about perhaps this had something to do with Jill, 731 00:45:51,603 --> 00:45:53,803 perhaps that had something to do with Jill. 732 00:45:53,883 --> 00:45:56,363 Big story for one day and then it goes away. 733 00:45:56,443 --> 00:45:59,203 And really, I just shrug my shoulders at them. 734 00:45:59,283 --> 00:46:01,963 Uh, they don't have legs, they don't seem to travel. 735 00:46:02,043 --> 00:46:05,603 Uh, they make a headline for 24 hours and then they're forgotten about. 736 00:46:07,003 --> 00:46:10,243 [Raphael] The theories that have surfaced 737 00:46:10,323 --> 00:46:15,003 over the years in this case, that Jill Dando was looking into something 738 00:46:15,083 --> 00:46:20,563 that may have been, um, one of the reasons somebody wanted to silence her, 739 00:46:20,643 --> 00:46:22,563 just doesn't wash with me. 740 00:46:22,643 --> 00:46:25,123 She wouldn't have been doing it alone 741 00:46:25,203 --> 00:46:28,523 and it would in fact make those who survived the assassination 742 00:46:28,603 --> 00:46:34,883 be all the more determined to expose whatever that secret investigation was. 743 00:46:34,963 --> 00:46:38,363 You hear of such terrible people in this world doing terrible things 744 00:46:38,443 --> 00:46:41,483 and that's what worries me, is the mentality of some people 745 00:46:41,563 --> 00:46:43,563 that can actually do those awful things. 746 00:46:43,643 --> 00:46:47,323 [male interviewer] Have you got an inkling as to who… who was responsible? 747 00:46:47,843 --> 00:46:50,683 I don't really want to talk about that for my own safety. 748 00:46:51,483 --> 00:46:54,243 But there are rumors in the criminal world who done it, 749 00:46:54,323 --> 00:46:55,483 let's put it that way. 750 00:46:56,763 --> 00:47:00,203 And it's not who you'd think and it's not Barry George. 751 00:47:01,643 --> 00:47:03,003 It was a professional hit. 752 00:47:03,083 --> 00:47:04,723 [intriguing music paying] 753 00:47:05,803 --> 00:47:08,923 Can you give any insight into why? 754 00:47:09,003 --> 00:47:13,843 No. No, if I tell you why, you'd know who done it. So, no. 755 00:47:13,923 --> 00:47:16,523 [woman] What advice you have for up-and-coming journalists? 756 00:47:16,603 --> 00:47:19,283 When I was on the local paper, I'd go to council meetings, 757 00:47:19,363 --> 00:47:22,523 interview the couple celebrating their golden wedding anniversary. 758 00:47:22,603 --> 00:47:24,603 You learn what real people are really like. 759 00:47:24,683 --> 00:47:28,403 I think being a good journalist is about getting under the skin of people. 760 00:47:28,483 --> 00:47:34,203 As a journalist, unsolved crimes play on your mind. 761 00:47:34,283 --> 00:47:38,163 For me to be sitting here 24 years on and saying 762 00:47:38,243 --> 00:47:43,003 that we still do not know who killed Jill Dando 763 00:47:43,083 --> 00:47:46,963 is just mind-boggling to me. 764 00:47:47,043 --> 00:47:50,403 Crimewatch has results. You go on air and about ten minutes later, 765 00:47:50,483 --> 00:47:53,963 the phones are ringing, people are ringing in with all sorts of suggestions. 766 00:47:54,043 --> 00:47:57,523 I've had 20 years of people coming up to me 767 00:47:57,603 --> 00:48:00,723 and asking me the questions that I'm answering now. 768 00:48:00,803 --> 00:48:03,843 Uh, and I'm okay with that, I'm fine with that. 769 00:48:03,923 --> 00:48:10,163 I also believe and hope that one day, uh, there will be an answer to it. 770 00:48:10,923 --> 00:48:15,003 Whether any new evidence will come forward. I hope it will. 771 00:48:15,083 --> 00:48:17,443 Uh, but we'll just have to wait and see, 772 00:48:18,283 --> 00:48:20,763 until the day that the police come along and say, 773 00:48:20,843 --> 00:48:24,403 "Right, okay, we've now got enough evidence to nail Jill's killer." 774 00:48:25,283 --> 00:48:28,563 [girl] Do you ever get worried about things you see on Crimewatch? 775 00:48:28,643 --> 00:48:29,803 [Jill] Oh, yes, you do. 776 00:48:29,883 --> 00:48:33,003 But at the end of the day the crimes that we show are so rare. 777 00:48:33,083 --> 00:48:35,483 It's not something that you walk out into the street 778 00:48:35,563 --> 00:48:38,163 and think, "The same thing's going to happen to me." 779 00:48:40,243 --> 00:48:42,243 [theme music playing]