1 00:00:02,553 --> 00:00:05,863 Carole Gold was really a pioneer, being one of the first Playboy Bunnies. 2 00:00:06,903 --> 00:00:09,863 A Bunny in the 1960s made great money... 3 00:00:12,353 --> 00:00:14,443 ...and we were like rockstars. 4 00:00:14,633 --> 00:00:16,663 Playboy can give you the taste of the high life... 5 00:00:17,693 --> 00:00:19,143 ...but that doesn't last forever. 6 00:00:21,933 --> 00:00:25,163 She just blew through all the money and one day woke up 7 00:00:25,363 --> 00:00:27,243 and realized there was nothing left. 8 00:00:28,933 --> 00:00:32,333 Chuck said to Carole that if she didn't back him up, 9 00:00:32,533 --> 00:00:33,413 he was gonna divorce her. 10 00:00:35,213 --> 00:00:38,753 She says she knew she was paying $75 a month into something, 11 00:00:38,953 --> 00:00:40,043 but didn't really know what. 12 00:00:41,003 --> 00:00:42,753 [Pat LaLama] Just a few minutes 13 00:00:42,953 --> 00:00:44,923 into his conversation with detectives, 14 00:00:45,123 --> 00:00:48,163 he realizes, "Oh, wait a minute. 15 00:00:48,363 --> 00:00:49,763 This is about a murder." 16 00:00:52,763 --> 00:00:54,833 That was the beginning of my worst nightmare. 17 00:01:14,313 --> 00:01:16,193 [Briana Whitney] Police get a call over the radio. 18 00:01:16,393 --> 00:01:20,903 A woman had called 911 saying her husband had been shot. 19 00:01:23,763 --> 00:01:24,723 So they rush over. 20 00:01:26,283 --> 00:01:27,483 They get there. 21 00:01:31,863 --> 00:01:36,283 51-year-old Chuck Gold was found dead and murdered inside his home. 22 00:01:42,073 --> 00:01:43,663 We have an apparent homicide. 23 00:01:45,973 --> 00:01:49,453 Mr. Gold expired from multiple gunshot wounds. 24 00:01:50,973 --> 00:01:53,833 We were told he'd been discovered by his wife, Carole. 25 00:01:59,833 --> 00:02:04,023 Carole Gold was 53 years old when her husband, Chuck, was found brutally murdered. 26 00:02:04,223 --> 00:02:06,573 It's a dramatic turn in the life of woman who 27 00:02:06,773 --> 00:02:09,043 just decades ago was on a very different path... 28 00:02:10,003 --> 00:02:11,213 ...working as a Playboy Bunny... 29 00:02:12,143 --> 00:02:13,993 ...experiencing this glamorous lifestyle, 30 00:02:14,193 --> 00:02:16,213 and making more money than she ever thought possible. 31 00:02:20,243 --> 00:02:22,373 Carole was involved with the Playboy company 32 00:02:22,573 --> 00:02:25,173 at a very early stage in the early 60s. 33 00:02:26,413 --> 00:02:29,093 Back then, the magazine looked very homemade, 34 00:02:29,293 --> 00:02:31,953 cut and paste. It wasn't, like, the glossy, 35 00:02:32,153 --> 00:02:35,103 lavish thing that people saw in decades later. 36 00:02:37,763 --> 00:02:40,953 Hef started Playboy when he was 27 years old. 37 00:02:41,153 --> 00:02:44,613 He started HMH Publishing at the same time. 38 00:02:44,813 --> 00:02:48,303 HMH Publishing is his initials, Hugh Marston Hefner, 39 00:02:48,503 --> 00:02:51,833 and he just started that publishing company to do Playboy. 40 00:02:53,863 --> 00:02:57,613 The first issue came out in December of 1953. 41 00:02:57,813 --> 00:03:00,123 He didn't put a volume number on the first issue, 42 00:03:00,323 --> 00:03:02,853 because he wasn't sure if there'd be a second one. 43 00:03:03,053 --> 00:03:04,993 The first nude pictorial inPlayboy 44 00:03:05,193 --> 00:03:06,813 was a photo of Marilyn Monroe, 45 00:03:07,013 --> 00:03:09,283 and that feature would go on to become the centerfold feature. 46 00:03:13,103 --> 00:03:15,683 There really wasn't anything likePlayboy at the time. 47 00:03:15,883 --> 00:03:20,023 There were nude magazines, but they were all pretty down scale. 48 00:03:20,223 --> 00:03:21,793 So, he wanted to do something different. 49 00:03:23,723 --> 00:03:25,543 ThePlayboy lifestyle was supposed to be 50 00:03:25,743 --> 00:03:30,383 an aspirational, upscale, men's kind of fantasy lifestyle. 51 00:03:35,973 --> 00:03:37,683 [Whitney] Carole was from Chicago, 52 00:03:37,883 --> 00:03:42,883 and in 1955, she was model in her teenage years. 53 00:03:43,083 --> 00:03:45,903 She did a lot of magazines and commercials and things like that. 54 00:03:47,413 --> 00:03:50,793 And so, that's kind of how her life started in the public eye. 55 00:03:53,793 --> 00:03:55,993 And when Carole was only 15 years old, 56 00:03:56,193 --> 00:04:01,303 she had a friend who worked nearby HMH Publishing. 57 00:04:01,503 --> 00:04:05,443 And her friend thought, "Hey, Carole, maybe you can get a job there." 58 00:04:05,633 --> 00:04:07,163 [Mitzi] Carole was in a Catholic school, 59 00:04:07,363 --> 00:04:09,093 And the Catholic priest had to prove anybody 60 00:04:09,293 --> 00:04:12,683 that wanted to work a job outside of school, 61 00:04:12,883 --> 00:04:16,503 and he approved it because it was just a publishing company. 62 00:04:16,703 --> 00:04:21,003 He didn't understand that HMH meant Hugh M. Hefner. 63 00:04:24,173 --> 00:04:25,883 [Whitney] Carole meets with an executive 64 00:04:26,083 --> 00:04:27,993 who really, really liked her at the time, 65 00:04:28,193 --> 00:04:29,593 and he hires her on the spot. 66 00:04:32,523 --> 00:04:33,853 [Madison] The very first Playboy Club 67 00:04:34,053 --> 00:04:38,063 opened in Chicago on February 29, in 1960. 68 00:04:38,263 --> 00:04:41,683 It was an upscale place for men to go. 69 00:04:41,883 --> 00:04:43,573 It was a private club. 70 00:04:43,773 --> 00:04:45,573 You know, you could have lunch or dinner 71 00:04:45,773 --> 00:04:47,373 and see great entertainment. 72 00:04:47,573 --> 00:04:49,783 And of course the women were wearing 73 00:04:49,983 --> 00:04:52,353 the Bunny costume, which became very famous. 74 00:04:53,833 --> 00:04:56,263 The Playboy Bunnies were the hostesses and waitresses 75 00:04:56,463 --> 00:04:58,193 that worked at the Playboy Club, 76 00:04:58,393 --> 00:05:02,263 and they wore the very famous skimpy outfit... 77 00:05:02,463 --> 00:05:04,863 ...which is basically just a corset with tights. 78 00:05:08,623 --> 00:05:12,863 The Bunny costume was based on the Playboymascot, which is a rabbit. 79 00:05:15,933 --> 00:05:17,473 When Hef first started the magazine, 80 00:05:17,673 --> 00:05:22,163 he decided on the rabbit as a symbol and a logo 81 00:05:22,363 --> 00:05:26,143 because rabbits are very playful animals and they have a lot of sex. 82 00:05:29,213 --> 00:05:30,953 This is my Playboy Bunny picture. 83 00:05:31,153 --> 00:05:32,383 This is from Chicago. 84 00:05:33,903 --> 00:05:36,063 That was a really great job. 85 00:05:36,263 --> 00:05:38,953 Definition of a Bunny in the 1960s 86 00:05:39,153 --> 00:05:44,483 was the girl next store, but somebody that was sexy and beautiful. 87 00:05:46,623 --> 00:05:50,063 A Bunny in the 1960s made great money... 88 00:05:50,263 --> 00:05:52,263 ...and we were like rockstars. 89 00:05:52,463 --> 00:05:55,063 The money we made definitely was life-changing. 90 00:05:55,263 --> 00:05:57,303 In Chicago, we made more money. 91 00:05:57,503 --> 00:06:01,193 There was more celebrities that came to the Chicago club. 92 00:06:01,393 --> 00:06:04,933 We met everybody and usually would have 'em sign our cuffs. 93 00:06:06,173 --> 00:06:08,613 [Madison] Carole started off as a switchboard operator 94 00:06:08,813 --> 00:06:10,663 in Playboy'sfirst offices. 95 00:06:11,663 --> 00:06:14,303 [Diana] They used Carole as a fit Bunny 96 00:06:14,503 --> 00:06:17,333 in order to design the original costume 97 00:06:17,533 --> 00:06:20,933 that the girls wore in the 1960s when the club opened. 98 00:06:21,933 --> 00:06:24,453 And then she became a Bunny after that. 99 00:06:27,143 --> 00:06:30,813 She was really a pioneer, being one of the first Bunnies. 100 00:06:31,013 --> 00:06:33,643 This would have been a very unique experience for anyone, 101 00:06:33,843 --> 00:06:37,193 but for somebody who was coming from a Catholic school background, 102 00:06:37,393 --> 00:06:39,923 that just must have been something completely different 103 00:06:40,123 --> 00:06:43,883 because at the time, there was nothing like the Playboy Club. 104 00:06:44,083 --> 00:06:48,023 [Mitzi] Carole helped supervise other bunnies and private parties. 105 00:06:48,223 --> 00:06:49,973 And she was always kind. 106 00:06:50,793 --> 00:06:52,643 She was easy to work for. 107 00:06:52,843 --> 00:06:55,313 And if you stepped off line, she told you. 108 00:06:56,623 --> 00:06:59,753 She was supervising a get together. 109 00:06:59,953 --> 00:07:02,103 Frank Sinatra and some of his friends were there. 110 00:07:05,073 --> 00:07:08,063 And Mr. Sinatra asked her, "Well, who are you?" 111 00:07:08,263 --> 00:07:09,923 And she said, "May I get you something?" 112 00:07:10,123 --> 00:07:14,263 And he goes, "Well, no, I just want to know you are. You can sit and talk to me." 113 00:07:14,463 --> 00:07:17,233 And said, "Mr. Sinatra, I'd absolutely love to, 114 00:07:17,433 --> 00:07:18,923 and I think you're amazing, 115 00:07:19,123 --> 00:07:22,693 but I have to take care of everything here." 116 00:07:28,283 --> 00:07:31,473 [Madison] The club was definitely an introduction to the good life for Carole, 117 00:07:31,673 --> 00:07:33,193 and showed her what was possible, you know, 118 00:07:33,393 --> 00:07:36,443 you have all these wealthy clients coming in. 119 00:07:36,633 --> 00:07:39,193 I think Carole probably got used to the money and the lifestyle. 120 00:07:39,393 --> 00:07:41,233 It's a very easy thing to get used to 121 00:07:41,433 --> 00:07:43,043 and, like, want for the rest of your life. 122 00:07:44,383 --> 00:07:46,573 While Carole was working as a Playboy Bunny, 123 00:07:46,773 --> 00:07:48,573 she also put herself through School. 124 00:07:48,773 --> 00:07:49,923 She became a teacher 125 00:07:50,123 --> 00:07:52,613 and taught eighth grade at a Catholic school. 126 00:07:52,813 --> 00:07:55,193 It's so crazy that she was a Catholic school teacher 127 00:07:55,393 --> 00:07:57,643 by day and a Playboy Bunny at night. 128 00:07:57,843 --> 00:07:59,883 During this time, she met an engineering student 129 00:08:00,083 --> 00:08:02,043 named Kenny Cottini and they got married. 130 00:08:03,553 --> 00:08:06,643 Carole's at the Playboy Club for five years 131 00:08:06,843 --> 00:08:11,193 before she and Kenny end up moving to Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, 132 00:08:11,393 --> 00:08:13,413 where they work at horse stables. 133 00:08:16,043 --> 00:08:17,933 That's when tragedy struck. 134 00:08:23,283 --> 00:08:27,523 Kenny died shortly after a riding accident. 135 00:08:29,723 --> 00:08:33,283 I believe he was running barrels at a horse show... 136 00:08:34,553 --> 00:08:37,813 ...and he slipped. He fell out of his saddle 137 00:08:38,013 --> 00:08:41,073 and never regained consciousness. 138 00:08:43,173 --> 00:08:46,613 [Whitney] Kenny's passing not only left Carole as a widow, 139 00:08:46,813 --> 00:08:48,613 but she was taking care of their daughter 140 00:08:48,813 --> 00:08:52,103 and their newborn son, who was born in that same year. 141 00:09:00,043 --> 00:09:02,063 Carole was busy working at the stable 142 00:09:02,263 --> 00:09:04,233 and raising to two kids when she reconnected 143 00:09:04,433 --> 00:09:06,543 with a childhood friend, Chuck Gold. 144 00:09:06,743 --> 00:09:08,693 Like Carole, Chuck also had two kids. 145 00:09:11,173 --> 00:09:14,763 [Stephanie] My relationship with my dad in my earlier years was... 146 00:09:15,313 --> 00:09:16,753 ...sporadic. 147 00:09:16,953 --> 00:09:20,233 Um, my parents were divorced before I was two, they were separated. 148 00:09:20,433 --> 00:09:23,243 My mother and I lived with her parents, my grandparents. 149 00:09:26,623 --> 00:09:28,373 [Whitney] Chuck and Carole start dating. 150 00:09:28,573 --> 00:09:30,953 And that was in 1977. 151 00:09:31,153 --> 00:09:35,063 About a year later, they were off to Las Vegas to get married. 152 00:09:35,263 --> 00:09:37,543 She used her Playboy connections to get them set up 153 00:09:37,743 --> 00:09:39,593 at the Lake Geneva Playboy resort. 154 00:09:43,353 --> 00:09:45,263 The Lake Geneva Playboy Resort 155 00:09:45,463 --> 00:09:47,923 was the very first Playboy Resort. 156 00:09:48,123 --> 00:09:49,613 An off-shoot of the Playboy Club, 157 00:09:49,813 --> 00:09:52,193 kind of a bigger, better experience. 158 00:09:52,393 --> 00:09:55,233 And it was a very modern establishment. 159 00:09:55,433 --> 00:10:00,263 They had ski trails. They had golf courses. They had stables. 160 00:10:00,463 --> 00:10:03,833 It was just this amazing, huge retreat. 161 00:10:04,833 --> 00:10:07,613 Carole loved horses, and she and Chuck 162 00:10:07,813 --> 00:10:10,443 went on to open their own stable 163 00:10:10,633 --> 00:10:14,023 at the Playboy Club, Lake Geneva. 164 00:10:14,223 --> 00:10:17,233 It was a huge deal. I mean, if you're gonna run a horse stable, 165 00:10:17,433 --> 00:10:19,613 what better place than at a luxury resort 166 00:10:19,813 --> 00:10:21,663 with all these wealthy customers? 167 00:10:25,663 --> 00:10:27,233 [Stephanie] Carole was very good for my father. 168 00:10:27,433 --> 00:10:29,483 They had a really great dynamic. 169 00:10:30,353 --> 00:10:32,713 They worked well together. 170 00:10:32,913 --> 00:10:35,143 They would ride together, they would do all kinds of things together. 171 00:10:36,553 --> 00:10:39,543 By the summer of '82, my father and Carole 172 00:10:39,743 --> 00:10:42,753 knew that they were gonna leave Lake Geneva. 173 00:10:42,953 --> 00:10:45,473 The main reason for the move was the winters were just 174 00:10:45,673 --> 00:10:47,853 too much for everybody, 175 00:10:48,053 --> 00:10:50,593 and they had decided that Arizona was where they wanted to be. 176 00:10:52,313 --> 00:10:55,263 [Madison] Carole and Chuck moved to Arizona with Carole's children, 177 00:10:55,463 --> 00:10:57,683 Her daughter, Alison, and her son, Ashton. 178 00:10:57,883 --> 00:11:00,023 The family settled into running the stables 179 00:11:00,223 --> 00:11:02,553 at Point Hilton Resort at Tapatio Cliffs. 180 00:11:07,243 --> 00:11:11,993 Chuck Gold had a business where they would do gunfight re-enactments 181 00:11:12,193 --> 00:11:15,093 at, um, some of the high-end hotels 182 00:11:15,293 --> 00:11:17,263 here in the valley at the time. 183 00:11:17,463 --> 00:11:20,333 He was known to a lot of people as Black Bart. 184 00:11:20,533 --> 00:11:25,233 The original Black Bart was, uh, a gunslinger from, like, the 1880s. 185 00:11:25,433 --> 00:11:27,413 [Stephanie] My dad is the personality. 186 00:11:28,173 --> 00:11:30,233 My dad would bring people in. 187 00:11:30,433 --> 00:11:31,923 And he'd be dressed as Black Bart, 188 00:11:32,123 --> 00:11:34,213 and people would just get a kick out of it. 189 00:11:36,723 --> 00:11:41,643 And Carole was the person responsible for all of the, 190 00:11:41,843 --> 00:11:43,333 the accounting and paying the bills 191 00:11:43,533 --> 00:11:46,233 and doing all of that stuff. That was Carole's role. 192 00:11:46,433 --> 00:11:50,333 [Mitzi] By 1992, cashflow was not an issue at that stable. 193 00:11:50,533 --> 00:11:52,443 They had a going business. 194 00:11:52,633 --> 00:11:53,953 And that was without Chuck. 195 00:11:54,153 --> 00:11:55,853 And I can imagine when you add in 196 00:11:56,053 --> 00:11:58,213 the gunfight shows and the things that he did... 197 00:11:58,903 --> 00:12:00,103 ...they were doing quite well. 198 00:12:05,103 --> 00:12:07,643 They have this idyllic lifestyle. 199 00:12:07,843 --> 00:12:09,663 You know, it could have been a fairy tale life. 200 00:12:12,283 --> 00:12:14,933 But it all changed on the night of October 20th. 201 00:12:16,553 --> 00:12:17,663 [gunshots] 202 00:12:25,693 --> 00:12:28,923 [Stephanie] Dad and Carole were married in December of '78. 203 00:12:29,123 --> 00:12:32,263 They would have been married 14 years in December of '92, 204 00:12:32,463 --> 00:12:33,833 when he was killed. 205 00:12:41,693 --> 00:12:44,713 On October 20, 1992, 206 00:12:44,913 --> 00:12:48,403 Carole Gold had been at dinner with her daughter, Alison. 207 00:12:48,603 --> 00:12:51,403 And from there, they ended up going back to Alison's house, 208 00:12:51,603 --> 00:12:53,923 where they watched some movies. 209 00:12:54,123 --> 00:12:56,853 [Petrosino] Chuck Gold was supposed to be at a conference, 210 00:12:57,053 --> 00:13:00,023 and at some point, he had called 211 00:13:00,223 --> 00:13:01,973 and said that he was on his way home. 212 00:13:03,663 --> 00:13:05,553 And then Carole decided to go home. 213 00:13:07,313 --> 00:13:09,993 And when she came home around 10:30, 214 00:13:10,193 --> 00:13:12,993 she walked into their house and found Chuck 215 00:13:13,193 --> 00:13:15,103 shot dead in their kitchen. 216 00:13:17,243 --> 00:13:19,093 That's when she called 911. 217 00:13:19,293 --> 00:13:20,413 [phone ringing] 218 00:13:23,283 --> 00:13:24,783 [Stephanie] Got a phone call, 219 00:13:24,983 --> 00:13:28,043 and it was Richard Feingold on the other end of the call. 220 00:13:30,593 --> 00:13:32,903 Richard was my dad's friend. 221 00:13:34,043 --> 00:13:34,933 He goes... 222 00:13:35,863 --> 00:13:37,073 ..."Your dad's dead." 223 00:13:40,833 --> 00:13:42,333 And I made him repeat it three times. 224 00:13:42,533 --> 00:13:43,923 And I went... 225 00:13:44,123 --> 00:13:45,283 ..."I don't understand." 226 00:13:47,043 --> 00:13:49,353 And he said, "Your dad was shot tonight... 227 00:13:50,243 --> 00:13:52,623 ...and that's all I know." 228 00:13:53,593 --> 00:13:54,693 And I just... 229 00:13:55,313 --> 00:13:56,283 ...lost it. 230 00:13:58,763 --> 00:14:01,283 That was the beginning of my worst nightmare. 231 00:14:14,283 --> 00:14:16,373 [Whitney] Chuck Gold was bleeding from the head, 232 00:14:16,573 --> 00:14:20,413 with eight .22 caliber bullet casings surrounding his body. 233 00:14:24,173 --> 00:14:25,863 I was assigned the crime scene. 234 00:14:28,763 --> 00:14:30,453 The scene is processed. 235 00:14:31,663 --> 00:14:33,453 The front door was locked. 236 00:14:35,283 --> 00:14:37,453 There was no sign of a break-in. 237 00:14:39,143 --> 00:14:41,613 I walked around and looked at different things, 238 00:14:41,813 --> 00:14:45,413 and I discovered that one of the back doors is unlocked. 239 00:14:50,213 --> 00:14:52,973 The back door should be locked, and it's not. 240 00:14:57,523 --> 00:15:01,903 Your first thought is is that, "Well, maybe it's a burglary gone bad." 241 00:15:06,553 --> 00:15:12,003 If that's the case, you'll normally see things disturbed. 242 00:15:14,453 --> 00:15:16,483 But none of that appeared to be the case. 243 00:15:20,973 --> 00:15:23,613 [Whitney] The lead detective pulls Carole outside, 244 00:15:23,813 --> 00:15:25,483 starts kind of asking her about everything. 245 00:15:27,593 --> 00:15:31,813 Carole tells detectives that they had a really good relationship, 246 00:15:32,013 --> 00:15:33,933 that things were going well for them. 247 00:15:35,723 --> 00:15:38,503 [Petrosino] Carole indicated that in the past, 248 00:15:38,703 --> 00:15:42,833 Chuck had engaged in extra-marital contact. 249 00:15:43,723 --> 00:15:46,353 But that they had gotten past it. 250 00:15:48,793 --> 00:15:50,683 [Madison] It must have been really difficult for Carole 251 00:15:50,883 --> 00:15:53,683 because she was, you know, a Playboy Bunny. 252 00:15:53,883 --> 00:15:56,503 She was one of the people to usher in the Sexual Revolution, 253 00:15:56,703 --> 00:15:59,333 and then to be married later in life 254 00:15:59,533 --> 00:16:02,663 and your partner's unfaithful, it must have been hard. 255 00:16:07,043 --> 00:16:10,063 Detectives went on their search for information, 256 00:16:10,263 --> 00:16:12,573 by going and talking to everybody that 257 00:16:12,773 --> 00:16:15,883 would have had some knowledge of what was going on 258 00:16:16,083 --> 00:16:18,713 in the Gold household... 259 00:16:18,913 --> 00:16:20,993 ...or the business. 260 00:16:21,193 --> 00:16:23,503 One of the first people the detectives reach out to 261 00:16:23,703 --> 00:16:26,003 is Chuck's close friend, Richard Feingold. 262 00:16:27,413 --> 00:16:29,813 [Petrosino] Mr. Feingold, uh, indicated that 263 00:16:30,013 --> 00:16:32,023 Chuck could be hard to get along with, 264 00:16:32,223 --> 00:16:34,073 and he might have a lot of enemies. 265 00:16:35,483 --> 00:16:38,163 [Whitney] Richard also tells the detective 266 00:16:38,363 --> 00:16:40,643 that a number of years ago, 267 00:16:40,843 --> 00:16:42,093 Chuck had been in a relationship 268 00:16:42,293 --> 00:16:45,473 with a woman who worked at the horse stables named Linda. 269 00:16:45,673 --> 00:16:48,683 And the two were very happy together. 270 00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:52,763 The story was is that Chuck was going to divorce Carole... 271 00:16:53,663 --> 00:16:55,813 ...and live with or marry Linda 272 00:16:56,013 --> 00:16:58,023 when the divorce was final. 273 00:16:58,223 --> 00:17:01,473 There's information that Linda lived in the house 274 00:17:01,673 --> 00:17:03,543 at some period of time. 275 00:17:03,743 --> 00:17:06,723 But for whatever reason, Chuck ended the relationship. 276 00:17:10,173 --> 00:17:12,973 [Stephanie] This was around October of '91. 277 00:17:15,243 --> 00:17:18,123 I knew that my father had affairs. 278 00:17:18,323 --> 00:17:20,353 I knew that Carole knew about 'em. 279 00:17:22,353 --> 00:17:24,473 I believe Carole had affairs, 280 00:17:24,673 --> 00:17:27,473 and I'm sure that my father knew about 'em. 281 00:17:27,673 --> 00:17:31,043 I don't necessarily know that I would call it unfaithful... 282 00:17:32,383 --> 00:17:33,923 ...because I think they knew, 283 00:17:34,123 --> 00:17:36,003 'cause that was just their dynamic. 284 00:17:42,413 --> 00:17:45,403 [Whitney] Detectives go on to interview other employees 285 00:17:45,603 --> 00:17:48,473 at the horse stables and one them has a story 286 00:17:48,673 --> 00:17:52,353 that Carole had a 14-year-old grandson named Ronnie. 287 00:17:53,793 --> 00:17:56,263 That was Alison's son. 288 00:17:56,463 --> 00:17:59,303 And at some point, Ronnie was staying with Chuck and Carole 289 00:17:59,503 --> 00:18:02,073 because Carole's daughter, Alison, was out of town. 290 00:18:04,173 --> 00:18:08,043 [Petrosino] Chuck expected Ronnie to do work at the stables. 291 00:18:09,413 --> 00:18:10,333 [Whitney] Ronnie didn't want to. 292 00:18:10,533 --> 00:18:12,373 He wanted to go hang out with his girlfriend. 293 00:18:12,573 --> 00:18:14,043 He had no plans of going to the stables 294 00:18:15,383 --> 00:18:17,333 [Petrosino] He allegedly told Chuck, "Well, 295 00:18:17,533 --> 00:18:19,263 I'm gonna be at my girlfriend's house." 296 00:18:19,463 --> 00:18:22,753 And Chuck said, "Get to the stables." 297 00:18:22,953 --> 00:18:24,193 He didn't get there. 298 00:18:24,393 --> 00:18:26,593 [Whitney] And that made Chuck really angry. 299 00:18:27,453 --> 00:18:29,543 And Chuck went off... 300 00:18:29,743 --> 00:18:32,643 ...and he told him that he wanted him gone. 301 00:18:32,843 --> 00:18:34,623 He didn't want Ronnie at the house anymore. 302 00:18:37,173 --> 00:18:40,023 Stable hands at the resort said they saw Chuck and Ronnie 303 00:18:40,223 --> 00:18:41,863 arguing loudly over the incident. 304 00:18:44,043 --> 00:18:45,793 As a result, Ronnie ran away. 305 00:18:49,283 --> 00:18:52,073 And this all took place just a week before Chuck's murder. 306 00:19:04,003 --> 00:19:08,333 [Petrosino] There's some information that Carole Gold's grandson, Ronnie, 307 00:19:08,533 --> 00:19:12,793 had had prior run-ins or contacts with the police department. 308 00:19:14,453 --> 00:19:18,123 [Whitney] Ronnie was known for having a bit of a temper. 309 00:19:18,323 --> 00:19:21,713 Ultimately, investigators find out that Ronnie 310 00:19:21,913 --> 00:19:24,333 was with his girlfriend at the time that Chuck was murdered. 311 00:19:24,533 --> 00:19:26,333 He was at school the next day, 312 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:28,753 and he didn't even know that Chuck was killed 313 00:19:28,953 --> 00:19:30,243 until he was pulled out of school. 314 00:19:33,973 --> 00:19:37,543 Detectives also learn that in the weeks leading up to 315 00:19:37,743 --> 00:19:41,643 Chuck Gold's murder, he was in a real duke out 316 00:19:41,843 --> 00:19:45,863 with another guy, and that happens to be Ashton, Carole's son. 317 00:19:48,143 --> 00:19:51,903 [Stephanie] Ashton was 20 and lived with my dad and Carole. 318 00:19:52,863 --> 00:19:55,383 He was always very quiet. 319 00:19:57,043 --> 00:19:58,813 I think he was also very resentful 320 00:19:59,013 --> 00:20:02,043 because he resented having to do any of the work at the stables. 321 00:20:03,833 --> 00:20:08,623 We found out that Ashton, uh, had a history of abusing, uh, hard drugs. 322 00:20:10,143 --> 00:20:13,163 Ashton apparently got hooked on an opioid... 323 00:20:13,363 --> 00:20:18,093 ...and owed people money for, for drugs that he allegedly bought. 324 00:20:18,293 --> 00:20:21,173 Ashton was addicted to a drug called Nubain. 325 00:20:22,313 --> 00:20:24,813 And he was taking it, I guess, to work out. 326 00:20:25,013 --> 00:20:29,173 And it was some sort of steroid that helped him pump up. 327 00:20:30,663 --> 00:20:34,023 And Dad told me that Ashton had got caught 328 00:20:34,223 --> 00:20:36,443 smoking weed at the stables. 329 00:20:36,633 --> 00:20:39,753 I think that was the final straw for my dad 330 00:20:39,953 --> 00:20:41,163 and really pissed him off. 331 00:20:41,363 --> 00:20:44,543 He was livid because it was their livelihood. 332 00:20:44,743 --> 00:20:47,993 And marijuana wasn't legal then. 333 00:20:48,193 --> 00:20:51,683 So, the though that they could've lost 334 00:20:51,883 --> 00:20:53,503 their contract with the resort 335 00:20:53,703 --> 00:20:56,103 was first and forefront in his mind. 336 00:20:59,283 --> 00:21:01,473 One of my last conversations with my dad, 337 00:21:01,673 --> 00:21:03,333 we talked about Ashton 338 00:21:03,533 --> 00:21:06,503 and that things were getting complicated, 339 00:21:06,703 --> 00:21:09,683 and that he didn't know how much longer 340 00:21:09,883 --> 00:21:12,693 it was gonna be able to stay the way things were. 341 00:21:14,863 --> 00:21:17,193 [Whitney] Chuck had reached his breaking point with Ashton 342 00:21:17,393 --> 00:21:20,483 and decided it would be best if he just kicked him out of the house. 343 00:21:26,623 --> 00:21:29,373 Knowing this information that Ashton and Chuck 344 00:21:29,573 --> 00:21:31,753 had had this big disagreement, 345 00:21:31,953 --> 00:21:33,993 detectives go and question Ashton, 346 00:21:34,193 --> 00:21:36,543 who tells them that they had smoothed things over. 347 00:21:36,743 --> 00:21:40,233 It wasn't that big of a deal, everything was fine. 348 00:21:40,433 --> 00:21:42,683 [Petrosino] Ashton had an alibi for that night. 349 00:21:42,883 --> 00:21:45,693 He was with his girlfriend somewhere in public. 350 00:21:46,973 --> 00:21:49,593 And there were other people that verified it. 351 00:21:52,283 --> 00:21:53,923 [telephone ringing] 352 00:21:54,123 --> 00:21:57,573 [Petrosino] But detectives get a call from a family member 353 00:21:57,773 --> 00:22:01,753 who said that Ashton was out looking at new Cadillacs. 354 00:22:01,953 --> 00:22:05,043 And, uh, the family member found something wrong with that. 355 00:22:06,173 --> 00:22:09,263 Chuck has been dead two weeks, and now, 356 00:22:09,463 --> 00:22:12,523 Carole's son is out there looking at new cars. 357 00:22:18,623 --> 00:22:20,123 So, two weeks after the murder, 358 00:22:20,323 --> 00:22:23,923 on November 5th of '92, 359 00:22:24,123 --> 00:22:26,933 the detective goes back and questions Carole. 360 00:22:27,863 --> 00:22:30,303 When detectives brought up Ashton 361 00:22:30,503 --> 00:22:32,693 and supposedly, this fight, 362 00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:34,853 she talked about the fact 363 00:22:35,053 --> 00:22:37,933 that Ashton had been abusing some drugs. 364 00:22:40,353 --> 00:22:43,923 Chuck said to Carole that if she didn't back him up 365 00:22:44,123 --> 00:22:46,043 and get rid of Ashton from the house... 366 00:22:47,043 --> 00:22:48,353 ...he was gonna divorce her. 367 00:22:51,593 --> 00:22:53,953 But she believed that 368 00:22:54,153 --> 00:22:55,523 Ashton and Chuck 369 00:22:56,353 --> 00:22:59,503 had worked out whatever upset him 370 00:22:59,703 --> 00:23:02,553 and that everything was good between Ashton and Chuck. 371 00:23:05,623 --> 00:23:08,763 When asked about owing people money for drugs, 372 00:23:09,763 --> 00:23:12,023 Carole said that they discovered 373 00:23:12,223 --> 00:23:15,233 that he owed about $1,200 to somebody. 374 00:23:15,433 --> 00:23:18,853 And they just decided to pay it for him. 375 00:23:19,053 --> 00:23:21,313 And, uh, it was supposed to be the end of it. 376 00:23:27,593 --> 00:23:29,813 At some point during the investigation 377 00:23:30,013 --> 00:23:33,473 detectives get a call from the insurance company, 378 00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:35,573 which is not uncommon. 379 00:23:35,773 --> 00:23:38,953 Insurance companies will often call investigators 380 00:23:39,153 --> 00:23:40,663 on questionable deaths. 381 00:23:41,353 --> 00:23:42,753 And their question is, 382 00:23:42,953 --> 00:23:45,883 "Is anybody in the family involved? 383 00:23:46,083 --> 00:23:50,233 Because there's this $150,000, 384 00:23:50,433 --> 00:23:53,213 uh, accidental death insurance." 385 00:23:57,003 --> 00:23:58,973 [Schmidt] I can't imagine Carole wanting... 386 00:24:00,003 --> 00:24:01,813 ...him dead for money, for the simple fact that 387 00:24:02,013 --> 00:24:03,833 he was the one who helped make the money. 388 00:24:04,553 --> 00:24:05,693 It doesn't make sense. 389 00:24:09,763 --> 00:24:12,373 [Gold] One of the stories that Carole had told me 390 00:24:12,573 --> 00:24:15,063 was when her husband Kenny died, 391 00:24:15,263 --> 00:24:17,953 there was money, and... 392 00:24:18,153 --> 00:24:21,233 ...that she just kinda blew through all the money, 393 00:24:21,433 --> 00:24:25,003 and she just one day woke up and realized... 394 00:24:26,383 --> 00:24:27,753 ...there was nothing left. 395 00:24:27,953 --> 00:24:29,723 So she pretty much had to start over. 396 00:24:32,073 --> 00:24:34,643 [Holly] A lot of Bunnies talk about how the job 397 00:24:34,843 --> 00:24:37,713 paid so much more just from tips, 398 00:24:37,913 --> 00:24:39,543 than they would've made at any other job that 399 00:24:39,743 --> 00:24:41,693 would've been available to them in the early '60s. 400 00:24:43,553 --> 00:24:46,123 I think it would've been really difficult for someone like Carole, 401 00:24:46,323 --> 00:24:47,613 who at such a young age, 402 00:24:47,813 --> 00:24:49,403 had such financial freedom. 403 00:24:49,603 --> 00:24:52,103 And that's a very hard lifestyle to transition out of. 404 00:25:01,663 --> 00:25:04,523 [Gold] When I went to Phoenix after the funeral, 405 00:25:05,283 --> 00:25:06,973 I looked at Ashton... 406 00:25:08,383 --> 00:25:12,123 ...and at that moment, I realized that Ashton was wearing... 407 00:25:12,323 --> 00:25:14,453 ...a ring and a bracelet that were my grandfather's. 408 00:25:18,243 --> 00:25:21,373 So I walked over to Carole and I went, 409 00:25:21,573 --> 00:25:24,553 "I noticed that Ashton was wearing Grandpa's ring." 410 00:25:26,863 --> 00:25:28,783 And she looked at me and she said, 411 00:25:28,983 --> 00:25:31,043 "Well, yeah, Dad said he could have them." 412 00:25:33,793 --> 00:25:37,373 And I said, "You're mistaken. 413 00:25:37,573 --> 00:25:41,883 Because Dad and I talked about it last time I was here... 414 00:25:42,083 --> 00:25:43,883 ...that whatever was Grandpa's would go to me. 415 00:25:44,083 --> 00:25:47,163 So he would never have let Ashton wear Grandpa's ring and bracelet." 416 00:25:47,363 --> 00:25:48,573 "Well, Stephy, he did." 417 00:25:48,773 --> 00:25:50,103 "Well, no, Carole, he didn't." 418 00:25:51,793 --> 00:25:53,993 I think that's the first time 419 00:25:54,193 --> 00:25:56,593 I really thought about it, and really... 420 00:25:57,973 --> 00:25:59,723 ...went, "Oh, my God. 421 00:26:01,793 --> 00:26:03,313 Are they both involved?" 422 00:26:21,353 --> 00:26:24,123 [reading] "Who are you? It does not take long 423 00:26:24,323 --> 00:26:27,403 before the answer to that question becomes complex. 424 00:26:27,603 --> 00:26:29,553 When I was 25, I could answer that 425 00:26:30,453 --> 00:26:33,073 my name is Carole, or Ms. Cottini. 426 00:26:34,863 --> 00:26:36,573 I am the eighth grade teacher. 427 00:26:36,773 --> 00:26:39,923 Or, 'Good evening, I'm your Bunny, Carole.' 428 00:26:40,123 --> 00:26:42,953 Can you imagine my eighth graders telling their parents 429 00:26:43,153 --> 00:26:44,933 that their teacher was a Playboy Bunny? 430 00:26:45,763 --> 00:26:46,763 Neither could I." 431 00:26:56,043 --> 00:26:58,263 [Whitney] The detective ends up confronting Carole 432 00:26:58,463 --> 00:27:00,303 about that accidental death policy, 433 00:27:00,503 --> 00:27:02,403 something that she hadn't talked about at all 434 00:27:02,603 --> 00:27:03,473 in that first interview. 435 00:27:03,673 --> 00:27:05,683 And she says to the detective that 436 00:27:05,883 --> 00:27:08,883 she didn't know about it until after Chuck died, 437 00:27:09,083 --> 00:27:11,243 that Chuck was the one who organized this. 438 00:27:13,283 --> 00:27:16,123 She knew she was paying $75 a month into something, 439 00:27:16,323 --> 00:27:19,483 but didn't really know what, and that's what that was. 440 00:27:20,863 --> 00:27:23,783 [Petrosino] Every time detectives find something that 441 00:27:23,983 --> 00:27:25,683 undermines what she said before, 442 00:27:25,883 --> 00:27:27,553 she has to modify her story. 443 00:27:28,283 --> 00:27:29,793 And she does that. 444 00:27:31,793 --> 00:27:34,503 The one thing about doing police investigations 445 00:27:34,703 --> 00:27:38,333 is that if you get somebody that's telling you the truth, 446 00:27:38,533 --> 00:27:40,023 it doesn't change. 447 00:27:40,223 --> 00:27:42,333 But there isn't anything that 448 00:27:42,533 --> 00:27:44,453 detectives found at that point 449 00:27:45,353 --> 00:27:46,833 that shows that... 450 00:27:47,903 --> 00:27:49,973 ...Carole actually did it. 451 00:27:56,663 --> 00:27:58,333 In early November, 452 00:27:58,533 --> 00:28:01,783 detectives went back and made a second 453 00:28:01,983 --> 00:28:04,003 contact with Ashton. 454 00:28:05,243 --> 00:28:07,543 It's possible that that drug problem 455 00:28:07,743 --> 00:28:09,043 is connected to the murder. 456 00:28:10,593 --> 00:28:12,753 [Whitney] The detective comes up with this plan 457 00:28:12,953 --> 00:28:14,543 to confront Ashton, 458 00:28:14,743 --> 00:28:16,753 and kind of makes up the fact that he knows 459 00:28:16,953 --> 00:28:19,193 a drug dealer that Ashton knows 460 00:28:19,393 --> 00:28:21,003 is involved in this murder. 461 00:28:22,073 --> 00:28:23,473 He doesn't actually know that for sure, 462 00:28:23,673 --> 00:28:25,063 but he thinks if he brings that up to Ashton, 463 00:28:25,263 --> 00:28:27,613 he might get more information out of him. 464 00:28:27,813 --> 00:28:29,573 [Petrosino] The trouble with lying to suspects 465 00:28:29,773 --> 00:28:31,683 or investigative leads 466 00:28:31,883 --> 00:28:34,123 is that if you guess wrong, 467 00:28:34,323 --> 00:28:36,903 then they know you're just fishing. 468 00:28:40,483 --> 00:28:41,543 [Whitney] The detective says, 469 00:28:41,743 --> 00:28:43,093 "You know, it'd be really helpful 470 00:28:43,293 --> 00:28:46,473 if you could give us a name of any of these drug dealers 471 00:28:46,673 --> 00:28:48,863 that you're associated with or have worked with." 472 00:28:50,693 --> 00:28:52,903 [Petrosino] And Ashton panicked a little bit. 473 00:28:54,313 --> 00:28:55,313 And then he gives up... 474 00:28:57,043 --> 00:28:58,143 ...Bob Pryor. 475 00:29:00,073 --> 00:29:02,993 [Gold] Bob Pryor was Ashton's drug dealer. 476 00:29:03,193 --> 00:29:05,503 And that's where he got his Nubain from. 477 00:29:05,703 --> 00:29:08,853 Bob was also a physical trainer at a gym, 478 00:29:09,053 --> 00:29:10,353 which Ashton joined. 479 00:29:11,453 --> 00:29:13,643 [Petrosino] Bob Pryor is one of those guys 480 00:29:13,843 --> 00:29:15,853 that if you work certain assignments, 481 00:29:16,053 --> 00:29:18,123 his name probably would've come up. 482 00:29:18,323 --> 00:29:21,073 He would've been known to the Phoenix police department. 483 00:29:22,763 --> 00:29:26,993 The detectives are very familiar with Bob Pryor and his rap sheet. 484 00:29:27,193 --> 00:29:30,043 They have an informant who knows about Bob Pryor. 485 00:29:32,863 --> 00:29:34,543 [Petrosino] September of 1993, 486 00:29:34,743 --> 00:29:36,783 the detective is able to get in contact 487 00:29:36,983 --> 00:29:40,353 with Dan Goddard, who is, who is the CI. 488 00:29:41,593 --> 00:29:44,173 A CI is confidential informant. 489 00:29:45,143 --> 00:29:46,923 [Whitney] The detective asks Goddard 490 00:29:47,123 --> 00:29:49,193 if he knows Ashton. 491 00:29:49,393 --> 00:29:51,193 And Goddard tells the officer 492 00:29:51,393 --> 00:29:52,863 he had met Ashton once. 493 00:29:54,283 --> 00:29:56,643 And there was a conversation relayed to Dan Goddard 494 00:29:56,843 --> 00:29:59,333 that Ashton had told Pryor 495 00:29:59,533 --> 00:30:01,713 that he hated his stepdad so much, 496 00:30:01,913 --> 00:30:04,243 he was willing to pay to get him killed. 497 00:30:07,553 --> 00:30:08,593 [gunshots] 498 00:30:10,143 --> 00:30:11,443 [Whitney] The detective asks Goddard 499 00:30:11,633 --> 00:30:14,613 if he knows where Bob Pryor was 500 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:16,853 on October 20th, 1992. 501 00:30:17,053 --> 00:30:19,723 And Goddard says, "Yeah, I was with him." 502 00:30:21,313 --> 00:30:23,543 Goddard was driving Bob Pryor around, 503 00:30:23,743 --> 00:30:26,813 and he tells the detective they stopped at a gas station, 504 00:30:27,013 --> 00:30:31,813 which was conveniently right around the corner from the Gold's house. 505 00:30:32,013 --> 00:30:34,763 [Petrosino] He said that Pryor was wearing a heavy jacket... 506 00:30:36,043 --> 00:30:37,043 ...he's got a gun. 507 00:30:39,003 --> 00:30:42,923 Um, Mr. Goddard talked about, uh, it being a, 508 00:30:43,123 --> 00:30:46,443 a small-caliber pistol or gun, 509 00:30:46,633 --> 00:30:48,473 uh, probably a .22. 510 00:30:48,673 --> 00:30:51,043 And he talks about a silencer. 511 00:30:52,793 --> 00:30:54,193 [Whitney] Bob Pryor got out of the car 512 00:30:54,393 --> 00:30:56,973 with a .22 caliber gun under his jacket. 513 00:31:00,453 --> 00:31:02,233 That gun matches the casings 514 00:31:02,433 --> 00:31:04,623 that were found around Chuck Gold's body. 515 00:31:10,173 --> 00:31:11,783 Dan Goddard tells the detective 516 00:31:11,983 --> 00:31:14,543 Bob Pryor disappeared for a period of time 517 00:31:14,743 --> 00:31:16,353 and he didn't know where he went. 518 00:31:18,723 --> 00:31:22,163 And suddenly, Bob Pryor and Ashton 519 00:31:22,363 --> 00:31:24,643 moved from investigative lead 520 00:31:24,843 --> 00:31:26,403 to the suspect column 521 00:31:26,603 --> 00:31:28,623 on your police report. 522 00:31:33,723 --> 00:31:36,023 [LaLama] When detectives start looking into Bob Pryor, 523 00:31:36,223 --> 00:31:38,573 they find out in an unrelated case, 524 00:31:38,773 --> 00:31:41,503 police took $9,000 in cash 525 00:31:41,703 --> 00:31:44,753 and a bunch of weapons from his house. 526 00:31:44,953 --> 00:31:48,263 Bob Pryor had been complaining that he wants that stuff back, 527 00:31:48,463 --> 00:31:51,263 so this is the perfect ruse 528 00:31:51,463 --> 00:31:53,523 to get him into the police department. 529 00:31:55,623 --> 00:31:57,713 [Petrosino] The decision was, give him a call, 530 00:31:57,913 --> 00:31:59,713 tell him we're giving him his guns back, 531 00:31:59,913 --> 00:32:01,383 uh, just have him come on down, and... 532 00:32:02,863 --> 00:32:05,753 He came down, he didn't get his guns back. 533 00:32:05,953 --> 00:32:08,243 But, uh, he did get interviewed by detectives. 534 00:32:10,173 --> 00:32:11,923 [LaLama] In just a few minutes 535 00:32:12,123 --> 00:32:13,923 into his conversation with detectives, 536 00:32:14,123 --> 00:32:16,263 he realizes, "Oh, wait a minute. 537 00:32:16,463 --> 00:32:18,073 This is about a murder." 538 00:32:20,073 --> 00:32:23,503 Now that detectives have the attention of Bob Pryor, 539 00:32:23,703 --> 00:32:25,473 it's their chance to say to him, 540 00:32:25,673 --> 00:32:27,993 "So, uh, Bob, just how much 541 00:32:28,193 --> 00:32:31,903 were you paid to carry out a hit on Chuck Gold?" 542 00:32:33,283 --> 00:32:35,413 [Whitney] And eventually, he starts to crack. 543 00:32:36,863 --> 00:32:39,573 Bob Pryor tells them it was $9,000, 544 00:32:39,773 --> 00:32:42,243 and the police had seized that when they took his guns and drugs. 545 00:32:47,103 --> 00:32:50,263 Bob pretty much gives himself up almost immediately, 546 00:32:50,463 --> 00:32:53,123 and admits he was involved in this plan, 547 00:32:53,323 --> 00:32:56,163 but he's got a lot more to tell to detectives 548 00:32:56,363 --> 00:32:59,333 when he says Carole Gold 549 00:32:59,533 --> 00:33:01,483 was really the mastermind. 550 00:33:10,383 --> 00:33:13,793 Carole Gold had it all when she was a Playboy Bunny, and she lost that. 551 00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:17,813 She has this thriving business with Chuck, 552 00:33:18,013 --> 00:33:20,233 and there was probably the fear of losing that, too. 553 00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:22,173 She wasn't gonna go through losing it all again. 554 00:33:24,763 --> 00:33:26,753 Faced with the threat of Chuck divorcing her, 555 00:33:26,953 --> 00:33:29,313 Carole was probably scared and angry. 556 00:33:36,523 --> 00:33:38,713 [Petrosino] During his interview with detectives, 557 00:33:38,913 --> 00:33:41,613 Bob Pryor gave some statements 558 00:33:41,813 --> 00:33:45,123 that implicated Carole and Ashton 559 00:33:45,323 --> 00:33:47,783 as being the people that had hired him 560 00:33:47,983 --> 00:33:50,303 for, for $9,000 561 00:33:50,503 --> 00:33:52,353 to kill Mr. Gold. 562 00:33:57,483 --> 00:33:59,373 He'd also implicated them 563 00:33:59,573 --> 00:34:03,353 in a prior separate murder attempt on Chuck, 564 00:34:04,143 --> 00:34:06,123 where Carole and Ashton 565 00:34:06,323 --> 00:34:09,523 put rat poison in his dinner. 566 00:34:10,933 --> 00:34:12,283 But he didn't die. 567 00:34:15,213 --> 00:34:17,123 He didn't like the way that it tasted 568 00:34:17,323 --> 00:34:18,863 and threw it away. 569 00:34:20,593 --> 00:34:21,853 [Whitney] With this new information, 570 00:34:22,053 --> 00:34:24,443 the detective heads back over to the horse stables 571 00:34:24,633 --> 00:34:27,613 and arrests both Ashton and Carole 572 00:34:27,813 --> 00:34:29,093 for murder, and conspiracy 573 00:34:29,293 --> 00:34:31,043 to commit murder on Chuck Gold. 574 00:34:37,073 --> 00:34:39,543 [LaLama] Detectives bring Carole back in, 575 00:34:39,743 --> 00:34:41,443 they've got more questions for her. 576 00:34:41,633 --> 00:34:44,503 This time, she clams up. 577 00:34:44,703 --> 00:34:46,413 Carole wants a lawyer. 578 00:34:47,663 --> 00:34:49,023 [Petrosino] Carole's released. 579 00:34:49,223 --> 00:34:51,973 There was no physical tie 580 00:34:53,043 --> 00:34:54,043 to Carole. 581 00:34:55,383 --> 00:34:57,923 But they charged Ashton and Pryor 582 00:34:58,123 --> 00:35:00,853 with conspiracy to commit first-degree murder 583 00:35:01,053 --> 00:35:02,973 and first-degree murder. 584 00:35:11,353 --> 00:35:13,503 [Whitney] After Carole was released, the detective goes 585 00:35:13,703 --> 00:35:16,233 to talk to John and Sharon Novoselski, 586 00:35:16,433 --> 00:35:18,933 who were good friends of Carole and Chuck's. 587 00:35:21,383 --> 00:35:23,683 He had talked to them before, but he wanted to go back 588 00:35:23,883 --> 00:35:25,193 just to see if he could find out 589 00:35:25,393 --> 00:35:27,483 any other information that could help. 590 00:35:29,483 --> 00:35:32,233 The Novoselskis end up giving the detective 591 00:35:32,433 --> 00:35:33,543 a piece of information 592 00:35:33,743 --> 00:35:36,103 that gets him one step closer to solving the case. 593 00:35:37,453 --> 00:35:40,023 [Petrosino] John and Sharon indicated that 594 00:35:40,223 --> 00:35:43,093 it was a really, really bad time 595 00:35:43,293 --> 00:35:45,483 in Chuck and Carole's marriage. 596 00:35:48,143 --> 00:35:51,023 [Whitney] But probably the biggest piece of information 597 00:35:51,223 --> 00:35:52,713 they tell the detective 598 00:35:52,913 --> 00:35:55,443 is that they know Chuck did not know 599 00:35:55,633 --> 00:35:57,833 about any kind of insurance policy. 600 00:35:58,973 --> 00:36:00,933 [Petrosino] Chuck had been denied insurance, 601 00:36:01,593 --> 00:36:03,543 I'm assuming life insurance, 602 00:36:03,743 --> 00:36:05,213 because of health issues. 603 00:36:08,693 --> 00:36:10,993 The detective was able to obtain 604 00:36:11,193 --> 00:36:14,123 handwriting samples for Chuck 605 00:36:14,323 --> 00:36:15,903 and other family members. 606 00:36:17,413 --> 00:36:19,923 But the handwriting analysts 607 00:36:20,123 --> 00:36:23,813 told him that, uh, Chuck did not sign 608 00:36:24,013 --> 00:36:26,763 the application for the insurance. 609 00:36:28,623 --> 00:36:31,443 And that, in fact, his signature 610 00:36:31,633 --> 00:36:32,693 was done by Carole. 611 00:36:36,213 --> 00:36:38,173 The application was fraudulent. 612 00:36:41,103 --> 00:36:43,073 [Gold] And I later found out that 613 00:36:43,933 --> 00:36:46,303 Carole hired an attorney 614 00:36:46,503 --> 00:36:49,923 to get the money, and the police were trying 615 00:36:50,123 --> 00:36:52,993 to not release the money, 616 00:36:53,193 --> 00:36:55,923 because they still hadn't 617 00:36:56,123 --> 00:37:00,333 cleared her from being a suspect. 618 00:37:00,533 --> 00:37:04,103 But they didn't have enough to hold the insurance company from not paying it. 619 00:37:11,933 --> 00:37:14,233 [Whitney] In December of 1994, the trial starts 620 00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:16,313 for Ashton and Bob Pryor. 621 00:37:18,073 --> 00:37:20,883 But it's a deadlocked jury in the end, 622 00:37:21,083 --> 00:37:24,313 and eventually it's declared a mistrial in 1995. 623 00:37:26,973 --> 00:37:28,683 [Schmidt] They got a hung jury, and that's probably 624 00:37:28,883 --> 00:37:30,753 because they couldn't connect the dots. 625 00:37:30,953 --> 00:37:33,813 If I was having trouble with sitting in the gallery, 626 00:37:34,013 --> 00:37:35,593 I'm sure the jury was, too. 627 00:37:41,283 --> 00:37:43,953 [LaLama] Not long after Bob's mistrial, 628 00:37:44,153 --> 00:37:46,373 he manages to get himself into big trouble 629 00:37:46,573 --> 00:37:49,853 on unrelated charges, federal charges, 630 00:37:50,053 --> 00:37:52,543 having to do with drug distribution, so, 631 00:37:52,743 --> 00:37:56,503 what he decides to do is plead down his sentence 632 00:37:56,703 --> 00:37:59,883 by promising to testify in future trials 633 00:38:00,083 --> 00:38:02,793 against Ashton and his mom Carole. 634 00:38:05,353 --> 00:38:08,123 [Petrosino] In 1995 on 2nd of August, 635 00:38:08,323 --> 00:38:10,753 Ashton and Carole are re-arrested 636 00:38:10,953 --> 00:38:14,453 for murder and conspiracy of Chuck. 637 00:38:15,383 --> 00:38:17,853 [LaLama] I've covered so many 638 00:38:18,053 --> 00:38:19,923 of these murder-for-hire cases 639 00:38:20,123 --> 00:38:21,783 and it's usually spouse-on-spouse, 640 00:38:21,983 --> 00:38:25,263 and the spouse killers think they're so clever. 641 00:38:25,463 --> 00:38:28,143 But they always make a stupid mistake. 642 00:38:29,663 --> 00:38:33,233 [Petrosino] Document scientists determine that... 643 00:38:33,433 --> 00:38:36,903 ...Chuck hadn't filled out the insurance paperwork that Carole had. 644 00:38:39,173 --> 00:38:41,263 Which undermined her story that 645 00:38:41,463 --> 00:38:43,263 she didn't have any information about 646 00:38:43,463 --> 00:38:45,233 the life insurance 647 00:38:45,433 --> 00:38:47,663 or, or how much it was for. 648 00:38:50,043 --> 00:38:53,453 It would be pretty hard to explain that away. 649 00:38:56,973 --> 00:38:58,473 [Whitney] After Carole's second arrest, 650 00:38:58,673 --> 00:39:02,093 the detective is hoping she's going to come forward 651 00:39:02,293 --> 00:39:04,373 with anything more she did the first time. 652 00:39:04,573 --> 00:39:05,993 So they pull her into a room 653 00:39:06,193 --> 00:39:07,593 to interrogate her one more time. 654 00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:11,093 [Petrosino] In the final interview, 655 00:39:11,293 --> 00:39:12,923 Carole makes statements 656 00:39:13,123 --> 00:39:15,613 admitting involvement in the case, 657 00:39:15,813 --> 00:39:18,193 and makes a statement, 658 00:39:18,393 --> 00:39:21,193 "You're on the right track, 659 00:39:21,393 --> 00:39:23,173 but the wrong train." 660 00:39:25,453 --> 00:39:28,693 And she never clarifies what she means by that. 661 00:39:29,933 --> 00:39:31,023 I believe that 662 00:39:31,223 --> 00:39:34,093 they conspired together, 663 00:39:34,293 --> 00:39:35,783 Ashton and Carole, 664 00:39:35,983 --> 00:39:38,263 with a third party that was the trigger man. 665 00:39:38,463 --> 00:39:39,413 [gunshots] 666 00:39:43,483 --> 00:39:46,413 [Gold] On the day that she was arrested in '93, 667 00:39:47,313 --> 00:39:48,883 I never heard from her again. 668 00:39:49,083 --> 00:39:51,413 Not a single person in the family ever heard from her again. 669 00:39:52,663 --> 00:39:55,553 She never called to say, "It's not true. 670 00:39:56,763 --> 00:39:59,283 I'll take care of it. I'll explain it all." 671 00:40:00,283 --> 00:40:01,243 Not once. 672 00:40:05,623 --> 00:40:07,383 There's no betrayal worse than that. 673 00:40:17,863 --> 00:40:20,503 [Petrosino] On August 4th of 1997, 674 00:40:20,703 --> 00:40:24,043 the trial of Ashton and Carole started. 675 00:40:25,453 --> 00:40:27,263 During the course of the trial, 676 00:40:27,463 --> 00:40:29,523 Ashton pleads guilty to conspiracy... 677 00:40:31,973 --> 00:40:35,043 ...and is later sentenced to 18 years in prison. 678 00:40:38,043 --> 00:40:40,953 And the trial proceeds against his mother. 679 00:40:41,153 --> 00:40:43,903 At the end of the trial, the jury comes back with... 680 00:40:44,903 --> 00:40:46,443 ...guilty on two counts, 681 00:40:46,633 --> 00:40:48,903 conspiracy and murder one. 682 00:40:50,973 --> 00:40:54,813 She's sentence to 25 to life, 683 00:40:55,013 --> 00:40:58,523 with the possibility of receiving parole. 684 00:41:00,283 --> 00:41:02,813 [Whitney] Thanks to the deal that Bob Pryor had cut, 685 00:41:03,013 --> 00:41:04,643 he was only sentenced to 20 years 686 00:41:04,843 --> 00:41:06,763 in a medium-security prison. 687 00:41:13,313 --> 00:41:16,043 I felt my dad got the justice he deserved. 688 00:41:21,003 --> 00:41:22,353 [inhales] 689 00:41:23,623 --> 00:41:24,623 It was tough... 690 00:41:25,863 --> 00:41:27,143 ...being in court every day. 691 00:41:28,523 --> 00:41:30,683 The sentencing took place a month later, 692 00:41:30,883 --> 00:41:32,863 where I was able to give my victim impact statement. 693 00:41:34,143 --> 00:41:35,683 I apologized to the judge, 694 00:41:35,883 --> 00:41:37,483 but I told Carole to rot in Hell. 695 00:41:39,213 --> 00:41:41,283 And that's one of the hardest things it's been for me, 696 00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:43,663 because I loved her. 697 00:41:44,453 --> 00:41:46,353 She was part of my family. 698 00:41:49,003 --> 00:41:50,103 And she broke my heart. 699 00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:58,403 [Holly] Carole's ultimate fear was losing her wealth 700 00:41:58,603 --> 00:42:01,953 and losing her share of a thriving business. 701 00:42:02,153 --> 00:42:04,473 Playboy and give you a taste of the high life, 702 00:42:04,673 --> 00:42:06,953 but that doesn't last forever. 703 00:42:07,153 --> 00:42:08,853 And when Carole was afraid she was going to lose 704 00:42:09,053 --> 00:42:11,163 her marriage, her lifestyle, her business, 705 00:42:11,363 --> 00:42:13,523 she was prepared to kill to make sure that didn't happen.