1 00:00:01,458 --> 00:00:04,081 [ominous music] 2 00:00:09,535 --> 00:00:12,193 [glasses clinking] 3 00:00:12,227 --> 00:00:13,573 - [Gene Cernan] I put the binocu 4 00:00:13,608 --> 00:00:15,748 and I can see it spinning around 5 00:00:15,782 --> 00:00:18,820 and I wouldn't bet my life on it being the S4B, 6 00:00:18,854 --> 00:00:21,788 but it sure has gotta be something like it. 7 00:00:21,823 --> 00:00:24,757 - [Reporter] That was Gene Cernan reporting that sighting. 8 00:00:24,791 --> 00:00:25,620 Orbit 9 00:00:26,828 --> 00:00:28,485 - We were that first crew that was going to get a chance 10 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:32,040 to fly this vehicle and test thi 11 00:00:32,075 --> 00:00:36,148 that was going to take human beings to the Moon. 12 00:00:36,182 --> 00:00:38,978 [dramatic music] 13 00:00:48,539 --> 00:00:50,886 - [Narrator] Mankind makes one g 14 00:00:50,921 --> 00:00:53,372 and lands the first man on the M 15 00:00:53,406 --> 00:00:55,926 a historic achievement for the h 16 00:00:57,341 --> 00:01:01,759 But that giant leap took many lunges, trips and falls 17 00:01:01,794 --> 00:01:04,935 in order for our astronauts to actually achieve this moment. 18 00:01:06,178 --> 00:01:10,078 And along the way, many space researchers have speculated 19 00:01:10,113 --> 00:01:14,013 that our astronauts may have see 20 00:01:14,047 --> 00:01:17,085 and anomalous structures on the surface of the Moon. 21 00:01:22,539 --> 00:01:23,643 - You know, we have a, 22 00:01:23,678 --> 00:01:27,199 it's a very interesting little document from 1950, 23 00:01:27,233 --> 00:01:28,924 there was a Canadian government 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:29,960 named Wilbert Smith, 25 00:01:31,444 --> 00:01:33,998 and he was very interested in these flying saucers. 26 00:01:34,033 --> 00:01:35,966 Wilbert Smith was a real smart g 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,692 He was an engineer, he was a sci 28 00:01:37,726 --> 00:01:40,591 and he had a kind of a mid-upper level position 29 00:01:40,626 --> 00:01:42,283 in the Canadian bureaucracy 30 00:01:42,317 --> 00:01:45,389 and he was able to go down to Washington DC 31 00:01:45,424 --> 00:01:47,874 in September, 1950 to the Canadian Embassy there. 32 00:01:47,909 --> 00:01:51,878 And while he was hanging around DC he goes and talks 33 00:01:51,913 --> 00:01:55,192 to some American scientists and one in particular. 34 00:01:55,227 --> 00:01:58,506 And this was a scientist who was very well plugged in, 35 00:01:59,541 --> 00:02:02,786 and this man, man whose name was Robert Sarbacher, 36 00:02:02,820 --> 00:02:04,201 we learned many years later. 37 00:02:05,098 --> 00:02:07,135 It was very, very powerful. 38 00:02:07,170 --> 00:02:10,690 Sarbacher says, yes, flying sauces do exist. 39 00:02:10,725 --> 00:02:12,899 I can confirm that for you. 40 00:02:12,934 --> 00:02:15,143 Their modus operandi is unknown, 41 00:02:15,178 --> 00:02:16,903 but the United States government 42 00:02:16,938 --> 00:02:20,873 this the most classified subject 43 00:02:20,907 --> 00:02:24,532 of all two levels higher than the hydrogen bomb, 44 00:02:24,566 --> 00:02:28,121 which in 1950 was about as big as you could get, 45 00:02:28,156 --> 00:02:30,158 but flying saucers were higher t 46 00:02:30,193 --> 00:02:32,471 So Smith types up this memo for his supervisors 47 00:02:32,505 --> 00:02:36,578 in the Canadian government, and, uh, that's that. 48 00:02:36,613 --> 00:02:37,924 But actually, that wasn't that, 49 00:02:37,959 --> 00:02:40,306 because years after he died, 50 00:02:40,341 --> 00:02:43,965 his private papers were analyzed 51 00:02:43,999 --> 00:02:48,659 and the exact name of that scientist was written there. 52 00:02:48,694 --> 00:02:52,249 And that scientist, Robert Sarbacher was still alive 53 00:02:52,284 --> 00:02:53,319 and researchers found him. 54 00:02:53,354 --> 00:02:55,942 Sarbacher confirmed the whole thing. 55 00:02:55,977 --> 00:02:58,428 He said, "Yeah, that actually did happen." 56 00:02:58,462 --> 00:03:00,740 So anyway, my point simply is, 57 00:03:00,775 --> 00:03:06,574 you've got very clear knowledge among the highest 58 00:03:07,540 --> 00:03:12,096 circles in Washington back in 1950, for example. 59 00:03:13,063 --> 00:03:17,516 And in the military back in 1950 that, yes, 60 00:03:17,550 --> 00:03:21,278 absolutely UFOs were the most sensitive subject out there. 61 00:03:21,313 --> 00:03:23,453 Now, ask yourself, why would that be. 62 00:03:24,695 --> 00:03:27,284 You know, why would that be the most sensitive subject 63 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:30,287 if it was all nonsense and hallucinations 64 00:03:30,322 --> 00:03:32,496 and hoaxes and things like this? You know? 65 00:03:33,325 --> 00:03:36,466 Well, obviously it's a lot more than that. 66 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:38,951 And when you go through the declassified literature 67 00:03:38,985 --> 00:03:41,885 such that we have, there's still a lot we don't have, 68 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:45,406 but we have enough to show very, very clearly 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,719 you had countless violations of sensitive aerospace 70 00:03:48,754 --> 00:03:50,894 by objects that did not look normal, that were not, 71 00:03:50,928 --> 00:03:54,380 that were doing things that were not supposed to be possible 72 00:03:55,450 --> 00:03:58,281 over places that you were never supposed to go. 73 00:03:58,902 --> 00:04:01,560 Alright, whether that means over Los Alamos, you know, 74 00:04:01,594 --> 00:04:03,941 where the scientists developed the atomic bomb 75 00:04:03,976 --> 00:04:07,220 or the Hanford Nuclear Plant in the state of Washington, 76 00:04:07,255 --> 00:04:11,777 which was a major plutonium processing facility, 77 00:04:12,156 --> 00:04:14,331 a lot of toxic waste there to this day. 78 00:04:14,366 --> 00:04:18,818 Or over the Oak Ridge, uh, nuclear facility in Tennessee 79 00:04:18,853 --> 00:04:20,993 where again, a great deal of science 80 00:04:21,027 --> 00:04:24,065 on the atomic bomb was developed. 81 00:04:24,099 --> 00:04:25,411 All of these very sensitive places, 82 00:04:25,446 --> 00:04:27,137 you don't just go hang out over them, 83 00:04:27,171 --> 00:04:28,932 but UFOs were hanging out over them 84 00:04:29,829 --> 00:04:32,487 and, you know, jets would be sent to intercept. 85 00:04:33,212 --> 00:04:34,972 In one case, we know of 86 00:04:35,007 --> 00:04:37,320 anti-aircraft battalions were alerted. 87 00:04:38,010 --> 00:04:39,252 You know, [laughs] 88 00:04:39,287 --> 00:04:41,807 Can you imagine if the public knew about this at the time? 89 00:04:42,566 --> 00:04:43,947 They didn't, they didn't find out 90 00:04:43,981 --> 00:04:45,224 until years and years later 91 00:04:45,258 --> 00:04:47,330 after these documents were declassified. 92 00:04:47,364 --> 00:04:48,296 By then, they were just sunk 93 00:04:48,331 --> 00:04:50,781 into the black hole of the public memory 94 00:04:50,816 --> 00:04:53,370 and, you know, no one really seemed to care. 95 00:04:53,405 --> 00:04:56,787 But back in 1950, if these incidents had become known, 96 00:04:56,822 --> 00:04:59,203 I think people would've cared quite a bit. 97 00:04:59,238 --> 00:05:00,895 Uh, they were very important. 98 00:05:00,929 --> 00:05:03,380 My point here simply is this, 99 00:05:03,415 --> 00:05:08,385 the subject of UFOs has always been considered 100 00:05:08,730 --> 00:05:13,356 to be of the highest level of security classification 101 00:05:13,390 --> 00:05:14,736 that we know of. 102 00:05:14,771 --> 00:05:17,636 And so now, if you've got NASA 103 00:05:19,327 --> 00:05:24,505 engaged in any capacity with the United States military 104 00:05:24,539 --> 00:05:27,956 on any type of classified mission that it engages in, 105 00:05:27,991 --> 00:05:31,822 there is no way ever 106 00:05:31,857 --> 00:05:34,894 that they're just gonna tell the world, 107 00:05:34,929 --> 00:05:38,277 oh look, there are all these UFOs, people. 108 00:05:38,311 --> 00:05:39,416 How cool is that? 109 00:05:39,451 --> 00:05:41,522 Now, that will never happen. 110 00:05:41,556 --> 00:05:45,353 That will never happen until the laws change 111 00:05:45,388 --> 00:05:47,424 and those laws haven't changed. 112 00:05:47,459 --> 00:05:49,599 This subject still remains highly classified 113 00:05:49,633 --> 00:05:51,394 even well into the 21st century. 114 00:05:51,428 --> 00:05:52,222 It is... 115 00:05:53,396 --> 00:05:54,638 You know, we can talk a little bit more about it now 116 00:05:54,673 --> 00:05:56,122 than say a few years ago. 117 00:05:56,157 --> 00:05:58,021 That's interesting and that's true, 118 00:05:58,918 --> 00:06:01,921 but there's... you know, there's still a red line 119 00:06:01,956 --> 00:06:03,992 and thou shall not go over that red line. 120 00:06:15,935 --> 00:06:17,592 - It was one of these clear, clear days 121 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:18,662 and that's why I was up, 122 00:06:18,697 --> 00:06:21,354 because you could see to infiniti, 123 00:06:21,389 --> 00:06:24,047 and it was an ideal day for aerial photography. 124 00:06:24,081 --> 00:06:26,946 And it appeared silver with a shadow underneath 125 00:06:26,981 --> 00:06:28,741 There's always metallic. 126 00:06:28,776 --> 00:06:30,398 And it was moving at a rate of speed, 127 00:06:30,433 --> 00:06:34,437 I would say 150 miles an hour plus or minus. 128 00:06:34,471 --> 00:06:38,026 And appeared to be maybe 20 meters across. 129 00:06:38,061 --> 00:06:40,684 - [Speaker] We decided to analyze the Catalina film. 130 00:06:41,582 --> 00:06:43,549 - And there seems to be some holes 131 00:06:43,584 --> 00:06:46,345 or some kind of transparency underneath here. 132 00:06:46,379 --> 00:06:48,140 One takes a good look at this 133 00:06:48,174 --> 00:06:50,383 and considering that the speed of the object 134 00:06:52,109 --> 00:06:54,802 as reported by Lee Hansen, the photographer, 135 00:06:54,836 --> 00:06:58,046 is that this is moving at about 120 miles an hour. 136 00:06:58,081 --> 00:07:01,636 This begins to look like a small commercial airplane, 137 00:07:01,671 --> 00:07:03,293 and one can draw the comparison 138 00:07:03,327 --> 00:07:05,813 that you have the bright wing on the top, 139 00:07:05,847 --> 00:07:10,403 the windows and the flyer, the rudder structure, 140 00:07:10,438 --> 00:07:11,819 and that's it. 141 00:07:11,853 --> 00:07:13,648 The Catalina film, I'm afraid, 142 00:07:13,683 --> 00:07:17,583 falls into the category of an identified flying airplane. 143 00:07:17,618 --> 00:07:20,275 [ominous music] 144 00:07:27,593 --> 00:07:30,389 [dramatic music] 145 00:07:42,539 --> 00:07:43,540 - [Narrator] The Lunar Orbiter missions 146 00:07:43,575 --> 00:07:46,681 were initiated in early 1964 147 00:07:46,716 --> 00:07:50,305 and consisted of five identical unmanned spacecraft 148 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:52,894 to investigate the surface of the Moon. 149 00:07:52,929 --> 00:07:56,242 The main purpose of the program was to locate 150 00:07:56,277 --> 00:07:59,694 smooth level areas on the Moon's near side 151 00:07:59,729 --> 00:08:03,318 to confirm the areas as suitable for manned landing sites 152 00:08:03,353 --> 00:08:05,251 for the Apollo program. 153 00:08:05,286 --> 00:08:07,875 Other program objectives were to collect data 154 00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:09,704 on the Moon's gravitational field 155 00:08:09,739 --> 00:08:12,707 to provide precision trajectory information 156 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:15,779 and study radiation and micrometeoroid flux 157 00:08:15,814 --> 00:08:17,367 in the vicinity of the Moon. 158 00:08:18,299 --> 00:08:21,302 The Orbiter took pictures of the Moon's surface, 159 00:08:21,336 --> 00:08:23,822 more than 90% of the pictures taken 160 00:08:23,856 --> 00:08:25,927 were transmitted successfully, 161 00:08:25,962 --> 00:08:28,689 including the historic Earth rise, 162 00:08:28,723 --> 00:08:33,348 taken from the Moon on August 23rd, 1966. 163 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:50,711 The Orbiter also obtained environmental data 164 00:08:50,745 --> 00:08:52,816 during all periods of visibility 165 00:08:54,162 --> 00:08:56,993 Some photographs were not transmitted. 166 00:08:57,027 --> 00:08:59,305 However, when the transmitting equipment failed 167 00:08:59,340 --> 00:09:01,135 during the readout operation, 168 00:09:01,169 --> 00:09:03,931 only a small number of pictures were lost 169 00:09:03,965 --> 00:09:07,451 and other data collection was not affected. 170 00:09:07,486 --> 00:09:10,558 Lunar Orbiter 2 made significant additions 171 00:09:10,593 --> 00:09:14,010 to the techniques and data required to land on the Moon. 172 00:09:14,044 --> 00:09:17,254 Mission 3 differed from the previous two missions 173 00:09:17,289 --> 00:09:19,912 in that it was a site-confirmation mission 174 00:09:19,947 --> 00:09:22,225 rather than a site-selection mission. 175 00:09:26,539 --> 00:09:30,440 Despite some operational problems during the mission, 176 00:09:30,474 --> 00:09:32,442 Orbiter 4 was highly successful 177 00:09:32,476 --> 00:09:34,030 in fulfilling its purpose. 178 00:09:35,307 --> 00:09:39,345 The photographs obtained, provided information and detail 179 00:09:39,380 --> 00:09:43,453 at least 10 times better than Earth-based observations. 180 00:09:43,487 --> 00:09:46,490 The photography captured during Mission 5 181 00:09:46,525 --> 00:09:50,771 was an incredible improvement in resolution from Mission 4. 182 00:09:50,805 --> 00:09:53,118 This allowed NASA to gain better insight 183 00:09:53,152 --> 00:09:56,466 into sites of interest on the near side of the Moon. 184 00:09:57,812 --> 00:10:00,643 The far side photography provided coverage 185 00:10:00,677 --> 00:10:03,576 of essentially all areas not cov 186 00:10:03,611 --> 00:10:05,578 during the preceding four missions. 187 00:10:11,826 --> 00:10:15,623 In the early two thousands, a former Air Force technician 188 00:10:15,658 --> 00:10:18,937 specializing in photographic printer repair, 189 00:10:18,971 --> 00:10:22,526 made a shocking statement to the public about his experience 190 00:10:22,561 --> 00:10:25,806 while working for the NSA during the 1960s. 191 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,050 - I said, who's, what do you mean who's. 192 00:10:29,085 --> 00:10:31,052 He said, yes, there's, we've discovered 193 00:10:31,087 --> 00:10:32,675 a base on the backside of the Moon. 194 00:10:32,709 --> 00:10:36,782 And at that point I became frightened. 195 00:10:36,817 --> 00:10:40,890 - [Narrator] Another now famous unidentified lunar object 196 00:10:40,924 --> 00:10:45,653 was spotted by the Lunar Orbiter 3 in February of 1967, 197 00:10:46,585 --> 00:10:50,485 a total of 149 medium resolution 198 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,248 and 477 high resolution frames 199 00:10:54,282 --> 00:10:56,629 were returned from this mission. 200 00:10:56,664 --> 00:10:58,735 And in one composite image, 201 00:10:58,770 --> 00:11:02,463 an object known as The Shard can be seen. 202 00:11:02,497 --> 00:11:06,398 This object was supposedly located between the Bruce Crater 203 00:11:06,432 --> 00:11:09,642 and the Sinus midi mare plain area of the Moon. 204 00:11:10,574 --> 00:11:12,749 NASA has never acknowledged this phenomenon. 205 00:11:16,788 --> 00:11:19,514 [dramatic music] 206 00:11:28,109 --> 00:11:31,734 [dramatic music continues] 207 00:11:40,156 --> 00:11:42,468 - And then he pulled out one of these mosaics 208 00:11:42,503 --> 00:11:47,094 and showed this base which had geometric shapes. 209 00:11:47,128 --> 00:11:51,788 There were towers, there were spherical buildings. 210 00:11:51,823 --> 00:11:54,549 There were very tall towers and things 211 00:11:54,584 --> 00:11:56,551 that looked somewhat like radar dishes, 212 00:11:56,586 --> 00:11:58,726 but they were large structures. 213 00:11:58,761 --> 00:12:02,350 [dramatic music continues] 214 00:12:09,219 --> 00:12:12,982 So it was rare that someone would do something like this, 215 00:12:13,016 --> 00:12:14,811 but this fellow and I were the same rank. 216 00:12:14,846 --> 00:12:18,125 I think he was very distressed. 217 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:20,334 He had the same power and demeanor 218 00:12:20,368 --> 00:12:21,887 as the scientists outside the room. 219 00:12:21,922 --> 00:12:24,372 They were just as concerned as he was 220 00:12:24,407 --> 00:12:27,928 and he needed to discuss it with somebody. 221 00:12:27,962 --> 00:12:30,551 So, that was the end of it right there. 222 00:12:30,585 --> 00:12:33,140 I didn't take it any further than that. 223 00:12:33,174 --> 00:12:36,591 I just filed it away. 224 00:12:36,626 --> 00:12:40,457 But the interesting thing, every day that I went home, 225 00:12:40,492 --> 00:12:41,458 I would think to myself, 226 00:12:41,493 --> 00:12:43,944 I can't wait to hear about this on the news. 227 00:12:45,669 --> 00:12:48,224 So I'd turn on the TV and I'd look at the news 228 00:12:48,258 --> 00:12:50,743 to see if they're gonna announce we've discovered a base 229 00:12:50,778 --> 00:12:53,746 on the back side of the Moon being really naive. 230 00:12:55,024 --> 00:12:57,578 And of course, here it is 30 some years later, 231 00:12:57,612 --> 00:12:59,476 and we still haven't heard about it. 232 00:13:00,684 --> 00:13:03,480 - Researcher and filmmaker, James Fox, 233 00:13:03,515 --> 00:13:05,310 started his journey into UFOs 234 00:13:06,207 --> 00:13:08,865 through Apollo astronaut testimony. 235 00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:13,318 - Basically, out of this whole UFO phenomenon, 236 00:13:14,215 --> 00:13:18,357 when did you become interested in the idea 237 00:13:18,392 --> 00:13:23,397 that NASA astronauts have seen UFOs in space 238 00:13:24,053 --> 00:13:27,021 and that possibly had been covered up? 239 00:13:27,953 --> 00:13:31,060 - I never did, until I wasn't like 240 00:13:31,094 --> 00:13:35,616 actively looking for UFOs in space, NASA. 241 00:13:38,067 --> 00:13:42,554 I watched an interview in the early nineties 242 00:13:42,588 --> 00:13:44,832 with Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell, 243 00:13:44,867 --> 00:13:46,730 sixth man to walk the Moon. 244 00:13:46,765 --> 00:13:50,700 And he talked about UFOs very openly, and I thought, 245 00:13:50,734 --> 00:13:52,460 here's a man who's got everything to lose 246 00:13:52,495 --> 00:13:54,946 and nothing to gain by what he's doing. 247 00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:57,638 - [Reporter] It's the sort of disclosure UFO investigators 248 00:13:57,672 --> 00:14:00,399 are demanding from the US government. 249 00:14:00,434 --> 00:14:01,814 How would people react? 250 00:14:03,333 --> 00:14:05,680 - That would be kind of good it's about time. 251 00:14:05,715 --> 00:14:07,061 - [Reporter] Former astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, 252 00:14:07,096 --> 00:14:09,615 is the sixth man to walk on the Moon 253 00:14:09,650 --> 00:14:11,686 and a firm believer that aliens 254 00:14:11,721 --> 00:14:14,448 have visited our planet repeatedly. 255 00:14:14,482 --> 00:14:15,932 So I had to ask, 256 00:14:15,967 --> 00:14:19,004 why are they coming in these little glancing visits 257 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:22,180 and we haven't had a more meaningful dialogue 258 00:14:22,214 --> 00:14:24,699 or contact or attempt to communicate with these people? 259 00:14:24,734 --> 00:14:26,080 - Well, I think we have. 260 00:14:26,115 --> 00:14:27,254 - [Reporter] Really? 261 00:14:27,288 --> 00:14:30,291 - I think we have, but it is not common knowledge. 262 00:14:30,326 --> 00:14:31,361 - [Reporter] Mitchell told me after 263 00:14:31,396 --> 00:14:32,707 he returned from the Moon, 264 00:14:32,742 --> 00:14:35,987 he was briefed at the Pentagon by a high ranking officer, 265 00:14:36,021 --> 00:14:37,885 whose name he would not reveal, 266 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,888 who said the US government does have evidence 267 00:14:40,923 --> 00:14:44,788 of alien spacecraft and is keeping it a secret. 268 00:14:44,823 --> 00:14:45,858 - Well, I think the real reason 269 00:14:45,893 --> 00:14:48,413 it is still a secret is power and control, 270 00:14:48,447 --> 00:14:51,105 controlling whatever technology exists. 271 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:53,073 - [Reporter] All of this is fascinating stuff, 272 00:14:53,107 --> 00:14:54,281 if it is true. 273 00:14:54,315 --> 00:14:57,387 - I mean, I've talked to government insiders 274 00:14:57,422 --> 00:14:58,526 and intelligence folks 275 00:14:58,561 --> 00:15:01,012 and they kinda laugh at it, 276 00:15:01,046 --> 00:15:02,979 but obviously, they have secret craft 277 00:15:03,014 --> 00:15:05,050 that we don't know about, that's obvious. 278 00:15:05,085 --> 00:15:07,328 But whether they have successfully reversed engineered 279 00:15:07,363 --> 00:15:08,985 what they've recovered in Roswell, 280 00:15:09,020 --> 00:15:13,610 that's something that I have not seen the evidence for. 281 00:15:13,645 --> 00:15:15,992 I'm not saying definitively that it didn't happen, 282 00:15:16,027 --> 00:15:18,098 that they weren't successfully reverse engineered. 283 00:15:18,132 --> 00:15:20,272 I have seen zero evidence of it. 284 00:15:20,307 --> 00:15:22,378 That's just me and people can disagree 285 00:15:22,412 --> 00:15:23,931 all they want and that's fine. 286 00:15:25,381 --> 00:15:27,900 [eerie music] 287 00:15:33,837 --> 00:15:37,151 [eerie music continues] 288 00:15:42,915 --> 00:15:46,229 [eerie music continues] 289 00:15:53,167 --> 00:15:56,515 [eerie music continues] 290 00:16:02,107 --> 00:16:05,455 [eerie music continues] 291 00:16:10,184 --> 00:16:12,945 [dramatic music] 292 00:16:19,573 --> 00:16:23,128 [dramatic music continues] 293 00:16:34,105 --> 00:16:37,073 - [Narrator] The Apollo missions began in an irregular way 294 00:16:37,108 --> 00:16:40,076 compared to the previous man capsule missions. 295 00:16:40,111 --> 00:16:42,147 This turned out disastrous 296 00:16:42,182 --> 00:16:44,529 for the first Apollo 1 test pilots. 297 00:16:46,496 --> 00:16:50,086 Apollo 2 and 3, which were unmanned, 298 00:16:50,121 --> 00:16:54,987 were called AS-202 and AS-203 respectively, 299 00:16:55,022 --> 00:16:57,438 in which the newly designed Apollo capsule 300 00:16:57,473 --> 00:17:00,890 was married to the Saturn 1B rocket vehicle system. 301 00:17:02,995 --> 00:17:07,448 July 5th, 1966, an unmanned flight 302 00:17:07,483 --> 00:17:09,933 of the Saturn 1B rocket, 303 00:17:09,968 --> 00:17:12,833 it carried no command and service module 304 00:17:12,867 --> 00:17:15,594 as its purpose was to verify the design 305 00:17:15,629 --> 00:17:19,426 of the S4B rocket stage restart capability. 306 00:17:19,460 --> 00:17:21,980 This would later be used in the Apollo program 307 00:17:22,014 --> 00:17:24,465 to boost astronauts from Earth orbit 308 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:26,122 on a trajectory to the Moon. 309 00:17:26,157 --> 00:17:28,090 It achieved its goals, 310 00:17:28,124 --> 00:17:31,921 but the stage was inadvertently destroyed after four orbits. 311 00:17:34,026 --> 00:17:38,065 Launched unmanned on August 25th, 1966 312 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:42,207 by a Saturn 1B vector and suborbital flight, 313 00:17:42,242 --> 00:17:44,278 this flight was used to perform tests 314 00:17:44,313 --> 00:17:46,556 on the command and service module, 315 00:17:46,591 --> 00:17:49,041 which was later recovered destined 316 00:17:49,076 --> 00:17:51,354 to perform a man landing on the Moon. 317 00:17:58,913 --> 00:18:03,849 On January 27th, 1967 at Launchpad 34 318 00:18:03,884 --> 00:18:05,644 at the Kennedy Space Center, 319 00:18:05,679 --> 00:18:08,682 astronauts Grissom, White and Chaffee 320 00:18:08,716 --> 00:18:13,307 were sealed inside of their spacecraft for a plugs out test. 321 00:18:19,865 --> 00:18:23,145 The spacecraft was pressurized with pure oxygen. 322 00:18:23,179 --> 00:18:25,250 Numerous communication problems 323 00:18:25,285 --> 00:18:28,046 were encountered during the test 324 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,151 [radio static crackling] 325 00:18:33,810 --> 00:18:37,193 [radio static crackling] 326 00:18:41,128 --> 00:18:43,061 - [Narrator] Suddenly a spark occurred 327 00:18:43,095 --> 00:18:44,649 in the wiring of the spacecraft 328 00:18:44,683 --> 00:18:46,444 somewhere below Grissom's feet. 329 00:18:47,893 --> 00:18:50,482 In the pure oxygen atmosphere, the fire 330 00:18:50,517 --> 00:18:54,072 flashed through the spacecraft consuming anything flammable. 331 00:18:58,939 --> 00:19:02,563 The crews struggled to open the hatch of the command module. 332 00:19:02,598 --> 00:19:05,670 It was a complex task that required too much time. 333 00:19:09,639 --> 00:19:11,572 Before they could open the hatch, 334 00:19:11,607 --> 00:19:14,506 the fumes given off from the fire asphyxiated them. 335 00:19:17,544 --> 00:19:20,098 [ominous music] 336 00:19:20,132 --> 00:19:22,618 [radio static crackling] 337 00:19:22,652 --> 00:19:24,551 - [Gus Grissom] Fire! 338 00:19:27,347 --> 00:19:30,764 [radio static crackling] 339 00:19:36,321 --> 00:19:39,738 [radio static crackling] 340 00:19:41,602 --> 00:19:44,605 - One thing to take note of about the Apollo 1 mission 341 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,781 is that many of the astronauts were very nervous 342 00:19:47,815 --> 00:19:52,303 about this Apollo spacecraft and its rapid buildup. 343 00:19:52,337 --> 00:19:57,135 Concurrently with the Gemini mission still being finished. 344 00:19:58,309 --> 00:19:59,586 Many of the astronauts were being 345 00:19:59,620 --> 00:20:01,864 swapped over to the Apollo mission 346 00:20:01,898 --> 00:20:06,248 and this rapid buildup looked like 347 00:20:06,282 --> 00:20:08,664 it was going to cause malfunctions 348 00:20:08,698 --> 00:20:12,012 and errors to that spacecraft. 349 00:20:12,046 --> 00:20:16,499 Walter Schirra, he actually commented to Gus Grissom, 350 00:20:16,534 --> 00:20:20,848 one of the pilots of the early Gemini project 351 00:20:20,883 --> 00:20:23,955 that had been swapped over to Apollo 1, 352 00:20:23,989 --> 00:20:25,853 that something didn't ring right 353 00:20:25,888 --> 00:20:27,683 about the Apollo 1 spacecraft 354 00:20:27,717 --> 00:20:31,411 and that if he saw any signs of trouble 355 00:20:31,445 --> 00:20:33,758 that he should get out quickly. 356 00:20:35,104 --> 00:20:36,726 - [Narrator] After this disastrous fire 357 00:20:36,761 --> 00:20:38,832 during the Apollo 1 test, 358 00:20:38,866 --> 00:20:41,973 NASA decided to run many successive test flights 359 00:20:42,007 --> 00:20:43,526 that were unmanned. 360 00:20:43,561 --> 00:20:46,149 Mike Bara famously co-authored the book 361 00:20:46,184 --> 00:20:48,980 "Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA" 362 00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:51,672 in which he speculates with photo evidence 363 00:20:51,707 --> 00:20:55,297 that NASA has been covering up anomalies on the Moon. 364 00:20:55,331 --> 00:20:57,195 - The other possibility is that 365 00:20:57,229 --> 00:20:59,680 we have had far more advanced technology 366 00:20:59,715 --> 00:21:02,890 than we will acknowledge for the last 60, 70 years. 367 00:21:02,925 --> 00:21:06,273 And it's some of our guys having a little fun 368 00:21:06,308 --> 00:21:08,068 with the spam in a can. 369 00:21:08,102 --> 00:21:11,140 Dudes that are stuck in the Apollo program. 370 00:21:11,174 --> 00:21:13,280 That's what Gus Grissom once referred to Apollo as 371 00:21:13,315 --> 00:21:15,972 is we're spam in a can, he was overheard to say, 372 00:21:16,007 --> 00:21:17,595 and they've been to the Moon already, 373 00:21:17,629 --> 00:21:18,630 they've been to Mars already. 374 00:21:18,665 --> 00:21:20,977 They got technology we can't even dream of here 375 00:21:21,012 --> 00:21:24,498 and they're sticking us up here in these rickety old rockets 376 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:25,499 and risking our lives. 377 00:21:25,534 --> 00:21:27,605 And of course, he ended up losing his life 378 00:21:27,639 --> 00:21:30,228 and a lot of people have a lot of suspicions about that, 379 00:21:30,262 --> 00:21:33,576 that he was such a vocal advocate for the fact 380 00:21:33,611 --> 00:21:35,613 that they had better technology than they were using 381 00:21:35,647 --> 00:21:36,476 to go to the Moon 382 00:21:36,510 --> 00:21:38,857 and it really made him angry 383 00:21:38,892 --> 00:21:40,480 and could have made him a target. 384 00:21:44,967 --> 00:21:47,935 - [Narrator] November 9th, 1967 was the day 385 00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:51,663 in which the Saturn 5 launch vehicle was first tested. 386 00:21:51,698 --> 00:21:54,977 This was the rocket that would send astronauts to the Moon. 387 00:21:56,461 --> 00:21:59,153 [ominous music] 388 00:22:02,433 --> 00:22:06,506 On April 4th, 1968, this unmanned flight 389 00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:09,232 tested the Saturn 5's ability to perform 390 00:22:09,267 --> 00:22:13,823 a trans lunar injection using 80% of the payload, 391 00:22:13,858 --> 00:22:17,448 which the later manned mission would perform again. 392 00:22:17,482 --> 00:22:21,866 Unfortunately, the phenomenon known as the Pogo Effect 393 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:25,559 damaged the two Rocketdyne engines on the second stage 394 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:28,424 when the internal fuel lines ruptured. 395 00:22:28,459 --> 00:22:32,601 The Rocketdyne J2 engine on the S4B third stage 396 00:22:32,635 --> 00:22:36,467 also failed to restart trans lunar injection. 397 00:22:36,501 --> 00:22:40,574 So the correct trans lunar velocity could not be achieved. 398 00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:44,267 Nevertheless, NASA considered the Saturn 5 399 00:22:44,302 --> 00:22:45,924 ready to receive its first crew. 400 00:22:52,621 --> 00:22:54,968 October 11th, 1968, Apollo 7 401 00:22:56,418 --> 00:23:00,214 was the first manned space flight of the Apollo program. 402 00:23:00,249 --> 00:23:03,666 Donn Eisele, Commander Walter M. Schirra 403 00:23:05,288 --> 00:23:10,293 and Walter Cunningham's crew spend almost 11 days in space 404 00:23:10,604 --> 00:23:13,020 testing a command module spacecraft 405 00:23:13,987 --> 00:23:15,471 designed to orbit the Earth 406 00:23:15,506 --> 00:23:19,441 and safely bring humans to the Moon and back again. 407 00:23:23,617 --> 00:23:27,414 The mission objective was to demonstrate crew performance 408 00:23:27,449 --> 00:23:29,312 with the command service module. 409 00:23:33,247 --> 00:23:34,663 - [Reporter] Apollo 7 was also a go 410 00:23:34,697 --> 00:23:36,492 for an exhaustive series of tests 411 00:23:36,527 --> 00:23:38,494 of its worthiness in space. 412 00:23:38,529 --> 00:23:40,427 One of the first things which had to be learned 413 00:23:40,462 --> 00:23:43,154 was whether the astronauts could control the spacecraft 414 00:23:43,188 --> 00:23:45,915 combined with the S4B Saturn stage. 415 00:23:46,882 --> 00:23:48,746 A very similar thing would have to be done 416 00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:51,196 during the early phases of a lunar mission. 417 00:23:51,231 --> 00:23:53,129 The answer was not long in coming. 418 00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:55,994 - [Astronaut] S4B test complete. 419 00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:56,823 - [Astronaut] Beautiful. 420 00:23:56,857 --> 00:23:57,720 - [Astronaut] It was outstanding 421 00:23:57,755 --> 00:24:00,171 - [Astronaut] Real, fine and ups 422 00:24:00,205 --> 00:24:01,517 - [Reporter] Next, the spacecraft 423 00:24:01,552 --> 00:24:04,037 and S4B stage were separated. 424 00:24:04,071 --> 00:24:06,108 The question now was whether the astronauts 425 00:24:06,142 --> 00:24:07,903 could turn their spacecraft around 426 00:24:07,937 --> 00:24:09,698 and control it to the degree required 427 00:24:09,732 --> 00:24:12,873 for future physical linkups with equipment in space. 428 00:24:12,908 --> 00:24:15,669 For this too would have to be done in the lunar flight. 429 00:24:17,913 --> 00:24:19,880 And again, the answer was yes. 430 00:24:20,847 --> 00:24:23,056 - [Astronaut] A little flight is like Germany. 431 00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:24,506 - [Reporter] Something that will not be seen 432 00:24:24,540 --> 00:24:26,231 in the lunar flight or in any other 433 00:24:26,266 --> 00:24:27,716 forthcoming Apollo mission 434 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:30,891 were the panels at the top of the S4B stage. 435 00:24:30,926 --> 00:24:32,824 They will simply be jettisoned in the future. 436 00:24:32,859 --> 00:24:34,757 But they drew comment in Apollo 7. 437 00:24:35,862 --> 00:24:37,242 - [Astronaut] And the slot panel 438 00:24:37,277 --> 00:24:41,039 at the top left and bottom opened. 439 00:24:41,074 --> 00:24:43,110 And I would about a 45 degree angle 440 00:24:43,145 --> 00:24:44,526 and the slot panel on the right, 441 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,909 just opened though maybe 30 degrees at the very best. 442 00:24:49,945 --> 00:24:51,429 - [Control] All right, Roger. 443 00:24:51,463 --> 00:24:54,363 looks like you're looking at a four jawed angry alligator. 444 00:24:55,467 --> 00:24:57,884 - [Narrator] During this mission, multiple tests 445 00:24:57,918 --> 00:24:59,471 for the Saturn rocket system 446 00:24:59,506 --> 00:25:02,578 and the astronaut crew interactions were successful. 447 00:25:03,475 --> 00:25:07,341 This was the first mission to use the Apollo flight suit 448 00:25:07,376 --> 00:25:09,033 and to successfully complete 449 00:25:09,067 --> 00:25:11,760 a live video transmission from space. 450 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,558 - [Reporter] Always before we've had 451 00:25:16,592 --> 00:25:18,214 to be content with merely listening 452 00:25:18,249 --> 00:25:20,527 to our astronauts during their flights. 453 00:25:20,562 --> 00:25:22,943 In Apollo 7, through the medium of television, 454 00:25:22,978 --> 00:25:25,877 we could actually see them in space for the first time 455 00:25:25,912 --> 00:25:27,120 and become better acquainted 456 00:25:27,154 --> 00:25:29,329 with weightless life aboard a spacecraft. 457 00:25:29,363 --> 00:25:30,330 - [Astronaut] You're picking up, 458 00:25:30,364 --> 00:25:32,574 I can read now just a minute. 459 00:25:32,608 --> 00:25:33,436 It says... 460 00:25:35,162 --> 00:25:37,820 [ominous music] 461 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,727 [ominous music continues] 462 00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:57,288 [ominous music continues] 463 00:26:02,983 --> 00:26:06,504 [ominous music continues] 464 00:26:12,475 --> 00:26:15,962 [ominous music continues] 465 00:26:21,588 --> 00:26:25,074 [ominous music continues] 466 00:26:30,252 --> 00:26:32,185 [dramatic music] 467 00:26:32,219 --> 00:26:35,395 - [Narrator] December 21st, 1968, 468 00:26:35,429 --> 00:26:39,606 Apollo 8 was the second crude mission of the Apollo program 469 00:26:39,641 --> 00:26:43,679 and the first mission to bring humans to the Moon's orbit. 470 00:26:43,714 --> 00:26:46,924 They were the first humans to leave low Earth orbit. 471 00:26:46,958 --> 00:26:49,305 The first to see the entire Earth, 472 00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:52,308 the first to see the dark side of the Moon 473 00:26:52,343 --> 00:26:56,140 and the first to see the sunrise of the Earth from the Moon. 474 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:04,044 - [Controller] T Minus 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9. 475 00:27:06,771 --> 00:27:09,049 So we have ignition sequence five, 476 00:27:09,084 --> 00:27:14,089 the engines are on 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. 477 00:27:15,262 --> 00:27:18,024 [dramatic music] 478 00:27:20,095 --> 00:27:23,236 I have commit, we have liftoff. 479 00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:27,654 Lift off at 7:51 am Eastern Standard Time. 480 00:27:29,518 --> 00:27:33,073 - [Narrator] Apollo 8 took three days to reach the Moon. 481 00:27:33,108 --> 00:27:36,663 It orbited 10 times over 20 hours. 482 00:27:36,698 --> 00:27:39,252 [upbeat music] 483 00:27:54,612 --> 00:27:55,751 - [Astronaut] This transmission is coming to you 484 00:27:55,786 --> 00:27:58,685 approximately halfway between the Moon and the Earth. 485 00:27:59,651 --> 00:28:04,001 We've been 31 hours, about 20 minutes into the flight. 486 00:28:04,035 --> 00:28:08,108 We have about less than 40 hours left to go to the Moon. 487 00:28:08,971 --> 00:28:11,802 - [Narrator] So Apollo 8 glided on silently 488 00:28:11,836 --> 00:28:15,288 farther from Earth than man had ever before been. 489 00:28:15,322 --> 00:28:18,567 A microscopic dot of life in the cosmic void. 490 00:28:21,604 --> 00:28:23,330 - [Astronaut] Face of the waters. 491 00:28:23,365 --> 00:28:25,885 And God said, let there be light. 492 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:26,817 - [Narrator] The crew also made 493 00:28:26,851 --> 00:28:29,820 a televised Christmas Eve broadcast 494 00:28:29,854 --> 00:28:31,822 in which they read the first 10 verses 495 00:28:31,856 --> 00:28:33,271 of the book of Genesis. 496 00:28:34,272 --> 00:28:37,759 This broadcast was the most watched in history at the time. 497 00:28:39,312 --> 00:28:40,658 - [Astronaut] So the evening and the morning 498 00:28:40,692 --> 00:28:43,661 was the first day and God said. 499 00:28:43,695 --> 00:28:45,732 [indistinct] 500 00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:47,665 - [Narrator] The choice to spend Christmas Eve 501 00:28:47,699 --> 00:28:50,875 in lunar orbit was made because that was the time 502 00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:53,360 of optimal lighting conditions for surveying 503 00:28:53,395 --> 00:28:55,121 the Apollo landing site 1. 504 00:28:56,087 --> 00:28:58,193 During the mission, astronauts 505 00:28:58,227 --> 00:29:00,402 took photos of the Earth from the Moon, 506 00:29:00,436 --> 00:29:03,439 including the second Earth rise picture, 507 00:29:03,474 --> 00:29:05,648 which was higher quality than the Earth rise 508 00:29:05,683 --> 00:29:07,858 taken previously by the Lunar Orbiter. 509 00:29:12,655 --> 00:29:14,347 - [Controller] Apollo 8, Houston, 510 00:29:14,381 --> 00:29:17,143 what does the old Moon look like from 60 miles over? 511 00:29:18,178 --> 00:29:23,218 - [Astronaut] Okay, Houston, the Moon is essentially gray. 512 00:29:23,252 --> 00:29:25,841 No color, looks like plaster of 513 00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:30,121 Or sort of a grayish beach sand, 514 00:29:30,156 --> 00:29:32,054 because he planted a bit of detail. 515 00:29:33,159 --> 00:29:35,333 The craters are all round and off. 516 00:29:35,368 --> 00:29:36,610 There's quite a few of them, 517 00:29:36,645 --> 00:29:38,371 some are newer. 518 00:29:38,405 --> 00:29:40,442 Many of 'em look like, especially the round ones, 519 00:29:40,476 --> 00:29:44,446 look like hit by meteorites or projectiles of some sort. 520 00:29:48,726 --> 00:29:50,176 - [Controller] A level we have a picture. 521 00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:53,041 We see the Earth right in the center of the screen over. 522 00:29:53,075 --> 00:29:55,422 - [Narrator] During these TV transmissions, 523 00:29:55,457 --> 00:29:58,529 the astronauts also provided a verbal commentary 524 00:29:58,563 --> 00:30:01,670 to accompany the footage being broadcast. 525 00:30:01,704 --> 00:30:05,329 Contrary to popular belief, these broadcasts 526 00:30:05,363 --> 00:30:09,643 were not extemporaneous or improvised performances. 527 00:30:09,678 --> 00:30:12,957 Rather, both the footage and dialogue 528 00:30:12,992 --> 00:30:15,857 were entirely scripted out prior to the flight. 529 00:30:24,417 --> 00:30:27,178 The Apollo cover story was specifically designed 530 00:30:27,213 --> 00:30:31,320 to allow those missions to be conducted in the public eye, 531 00:30:31,355 --> 00:30:35,255 while at the same time actively concealing the fact 532 00:30:35,290 --> 00:30:38,327 that evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial life 533 00:30:38,362 --> 00:30:41,192 might have been discovered in space and on the Moon. 534 00:30:42,366 --> 00:30:46,232 The scripting protocols followed during the Apollo program 535 00:30:46,266 --> 00:30:48,613 were for the most part highly effective 536 00:30:48,648 --> 00:30:50,995 at ensuring the astronauts did not divulge 537 00:30:51,030 --> 00:30:54,274 any sensitive information while they communicated 538 00:30:54,309 --> 00:30:57,415 over the public radio channel with Houston. 539 00:30:57,450 --> 00:30:59,935 However, when the astronauts were not 540 00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:02,834 in radio contact with Mission Control, 541 00:31:02,869 --> 00:31:05,630 they did on occasion make some unscripted 542 00:31:05,665 --> 00:31:08,461 and rather candid comments to each other 543 00:31:08,495 --> 00:31:11,774 about what they were observing outside their spacecraft. 544 00:31:13,397 --> 00:31:15,744 These comments were captured by a device 545 00:31:15,778 --> 00:31:19,575 mounted inside the Apollo command and service module 546 00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:21,784 that was known as the data storage 547 00:31:21,819 --> 00:31:25,029 equipment recorder or DSE. 548 00:31:25,064 --> 00:31:28,964 The Apollo DSE was essentially a black box cockpit 549 00:31:28,999 --> 00:31:31,898 voice and telemetry recording system. 550 00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:36,144 In addition to recording a variety of spacecraft parameters 551 00:31:36,178 --> 00:31:39,561 the DSE's 14 track tape also recorded 552 00:31:39,595 --> 00:31:43,047 many internal crew conversations that took place 553 00:31:43,082 --> 00:31:44,359 when the astronauts were not 554 00:31:44,393 --> 00:31:46,706 communicating with Mission Control. 555 00:31:48,087 --> 00:31:50,261 Although it is presumed that the recordings 556 00:31:50,296 --> 00:31:52,263 were destroyed or lost, 557 00:31:52,298 --> 00:31:54,576 the transcriptions were made at NASA 558 00:31:55,784 --> 00:31:59,374 by the woman shown in this image and others. 559 00:31:59,408 --> 00:32:02,066 And although they were originally classified, 560 00:32:02,101 --> 00:32:05,967 those transcripts can be found today in the NASA archives. 561 00:32:07,451 --> 00:32:10,557 Many of the comments captured by the DSE 562 00:32:10,592 --> 00:32:12,801 were made when the spacecraft was behind 563 00:32:12,835 --> 00:32:14,458 the far side of the Moon 564 00:32:14,492 --> 00:32:16,943 with the astronauts describing various sites 565 00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:18,531 not visible from Earth. 566 00:32:20,188 --> 00:32:22,707 [eerie music] 567 00:32:28,782 --> 00:32:32,062 [eerie music continues] 568 00:32:37,757 --> 00:32:41,071 [eerie music continues] 569 00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:50,528 [eerie music continues] 570 00:32:56,258 --> 00:32:59,606 [eerie music continues] 571 00:33:05,612 --> 00:33:08,960 [eerie music continues] 572 00:33:15,036 --> 00:33:18,349 [eerie music continues] 573 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:22,077 [dramatic music] 574 00:33:27,565 --> 00:33:31,155 [dramatic music continues] 575 00:33:36,643 --> 00:33:40,233 [dramatic music continues] 576 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:44,962 [ominous music] 577 00:33:50,312 --> 00:33:53,833 [ominous music continues] 578 00:34:00,598 --> 00:34:01,806 - What's very interesting about 579 00:34:01,841 --> 00:34:05,845 the Apollo 8 manned mission to the Moon is that 580 00:34:05,879 --> 00:34:08,710 we would hear about all of these things 581 00:34:08,744 --> 00:34:13,301 that astronauts and UFO researchers would repeat 582 00:34:13,335 --> 00:34:16,787 being demonstrated in the communications, 583 00:34:16,821 --> 00:34:18,616 photos and footage 584 00:34:18,651 --> 00:34:21,895 throughout many other Apollo manned missions. 585 00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:26,279 That is structures on the far side of the Moon, 586 00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:29,455 UFOs, an anomalous activity in space, 587 00:34:29,489 --> 00:34:33,666 as well as this eerie music or strange sounds 588 00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:36,565 that the astronauts only heard 589 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,740 when they were on the far side of the Moon. 590 00:34:39,982 --> 00:34:41,156 And what's interesting is that 591 00:34:41,191 --> 00:34:43,607 we will hear a more detailed account 592 00:34:43,641 --> 00:34:47,956 and more evidence of this strange music or sounds 593 00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:49,785 on the far side of the Moon 594 00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:52,374 in the later Apollo 10 manned mission. 595 00:34:53,479 --> 00:34:58,139 And one has to wonder, is this sound 596 00:34:58,173 --> 00:35:01,797 emanating from a base or maybe these structures 597 00:35:01,832 --> 00:35:05,663 that were observed on the far side of the lunar surface 598 00:35:05,698 --> 00:35:09,011 or was the sound actually coming from space? 599 00:35:09,046 --> 00:35:13,188 And does the Moon operate as some kind of insulator 600 00:35:13,223 --> 00:35:17,434 to feedback coming from space? 601 00:35:17,468 --> 00:35:20,816 - [Narrator] March 3rd, 1969, Apollo 9 602 00:35:20,851 --> 00:35:24,337 was the third man's space mission in the Apollo program 603 00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:27,409 and the first flight with the Apollo lunar module. 604 00:35:27,444 --> 00:35:30,550 The crew spent 10 days in low Earth orbit 605 00:35:30,585 --> 00:35:33,553 testing several critical aspects of landing on the Moon, 606 00:35:33,588 --> 00:35:35,590 including lunar module engines, 607 00:35:35,624 --> 00:35:39,352 spacesuit life support systems, navigation systems, 608 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:40,905 and docking maneuvers. 609 00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:43,874 - We were that first crew that was gonna get a chance 610 00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:47,395 to fly this vehicle and test this vehicle 611 00:35:47,429 --> 00:35:50,984 that was going to take human beings to the Moon. 612 00:35:51,019 --> 00:35:55,610 We were very, very aware of the time pressure 613 00:35:55,644 --> 00:35:57,853 and everything has to go right 614 00:35:57,888 --> 00:36:00,649 if we're for sure gonna meet Kennedy's goal 615 00:36:00,684 --> 00:36:04,929 of getting to the Moon in that decade and back. 616 00:36:04,964 --> 00:36:08,243 We tested every possible thing that could be tested. 617 00:36:08,278 --> 00:36:12,523 The mission was completely dedicated to testing the systems 618 00:36:12,558 --> 00:36:15,250 the engines and the guidance and navigation, 619 00:36:15,285 --> 00:36:18,288 all kinds of things that we could do in Earth orbit. 620 00:36:18,322 --> 00:36:21,291 - Really very difficult to get 621 00:36:21,325 --> 00:36:23,603 the coordinate system in your head. 622 00:36:23,638 --> 00:36:27,504 Normally, we docked looking out this way 623 00:36:27,538 --> 00:36:30,161 and for the dock we went to Lunar module 624 00:36:30,196 --> 00:36:32,750 we had to look out this way. 625 00:36:32,785 --> 00:36:37,824 So, the control system didn't operate 626 00:36:37,859 --> 00:36:39,170 the way it normally would. 627 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,589 - [Astronaut] How does that support car handle, Jim? 628 00:36:43,623 --> 00:36:44,624 - [Jim Lovell] Pretty nice. 629 00:36:44,659 --> 00:36:46,661 - [Narrator] This was the first manned flight 630 00:36:46,695 --> 00:36:47,938 of a lunar module, 631 00:36:47,972 --> 00:36:50,872 the first docking and extraction with the lunar module, 632 00:36:50,906 --> 00:36:53,702 the first completion of a two-man spacewalk 633 00:36:53,737 --> 00:36:57,119 and the second docking of a two-man spacecraft. 634 00:36:57,154 --> 00:36:58,328 - [Commander McDivitt] We depressurized 635 00:36:58,362 --> 00:37:01,952 both the lunar module and the command module 636 00:37:01,986 --> 00:37:03,988 and Rusty was going to get out 637 00:37:04,023 --> 00:37:07,889 and transfer over to the command module. 638 00:37:07,923 --> 00:37:12,169 And we were doing that to see that it could be done. 639 00:37:12,203 --> 00:37:14,861 [ominous music] 640 00:37:21,005 --> 00:37:24,492 [ominous music continues] 641 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,778 - [Narrator] Two telecasts were made to Earth from Apollo 9. 642 00:37:34,812 --> 00:37:38,644 The first, on March 5th, lasted for almost seven minutes. 643 00:37:38,678 --> 00:37:40,956 The second telecast on the following day 644 00:37:40,991 --> 00:37:42,958 lasted for about 13 minutes 645 00:37:42,993 --> 00:37:46,341 and only showed interior views of the lunar module. 646 00:37:46,376 --> 00:37:49,655 Photographs taken as part of the multi-spectral terrain 647 00:37:49,689 --> 00:37:52,313 photographic experiment were successful. 648 00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:56,317 - [Commander McDivitt] Now, Dave wanted to get it, 649 00:37:56,351 --> 00:37:57,214 get out of the spacecraft too. 650 00:37:58,491 --> 00:38:01,736 So we, part of the mission was for him to open up the hatch. 651 00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:04,773 So, we were all out there in the vacuum. 652 00:38:04,808 --> 00:38:07,431 - [Narrator] Here we are at this historic moment 653 00:38:07,466 --> 00:38:10,123 that we are all part of, not just the astronauts, 654 00:38:10,158 --> 00:38:12,298 but everybody who's alive today 655 00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:14,335 and we're all on this small planet 656 00:38:14,369 --> 00:38:15,957 as representative of life, 657 00:38:15,991 --> 00:38:18,753 we're beginning to move out from this planet, 658 00:38:18,787 --> 00:38:21,997 which as far as we know, contains all of the life 659 00:38:22,032 --> 00:38:24,275 in our little corner of the universe. 660 00:38:29,211 --> 00:38:31,179 - [Astronaut] Annual attitude control is good. 661 00:38:31,213 --> 00:38:32,525 - [Controller] Roger, copy. 662 00:38:34,493 --> 00:38:37,565 - [Astronaut] I'm gonna pull your flag, 663 00:38:39,325 --> 00:38:40,395 oops, I bent that one. 664 00:38:41,292 --> 00:38:43,156 - [Astronaut] BTU expenditure for each crew 665 00:38:43,191 --> 00:38:45,676 and averaging 1,300 surgeon reports. 666 00:38:48,610 --> 00:38:49,715 - [Controller] Jack, this is Houston. 667 00:38:49,749 --> 00:38:50,716 - [indistinct] 668 00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:52,165 Looks like your water temperature 669 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,132 is getting pretty high. 670 00:38:53,166 --> 00:38:54,409 You might wanna go to intermediate cooling 671 00:38:54,444 --> 00:38:55,376 or slow down or something. 672 00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:56,687 Looks like your getting a little warm. 673 00:39:01,865 --> 00:39:04,592 [dramatic music] 674 00:39:09,113 --> 00:39:11,495 - [Narrator] May 18th, 1969, 675 00:39:11,530 --> 00:39:15,326 the Apollo 10 mission was the fourth manned mission 676 00:39:15,361 --> 00:39:16,673 of the Apollo program. 677 00:39:21,609 --> 00:39:23,542 - [Astronaut] Roger, Houston, Apollo 10. 678 00:39:23,576 --> 00:39:26,683 You can tell the world that we have arrived. 679 00:39:26,717 --> 00:39:29,824 - [Narrator] This mission was a successful synthesis 680 00:39:29,858 --> 00:39:32,447 of the previous two completed missions. 681 00:39:32,482 --> 00:39:34,207 It resulted in the lunar module 682 00:39:34,242 --> 00:39:37,245 being placed for the first time in lunar orbit. 683 00:39:40,006 --> 00:39:43,078 - And they give us a silver Snoopy for excellence warriors. 684 00:39:43,113 --> 00:39:46,703 I wanted to honor the people that had worked so hard. 685 00:39:46,737 --> 00:39:48,774 So we called it Snoopy, 686 00:39:48,808 --> 00:39:51,224 but you needed two names so naturally 687 00:39:51,259 --> 00:39:53,088 the other one was Charlie Brown. 688 00:39:54,227 --> 00:39:56,022 - [Narrator] Stafford and Cernan were placed 689 00:39:56,057 --> 00:39:58,266 in the lunar module, Snoopy, 690 00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:00,510 after leaving the command service module. 691 00:40:00,544 --> 00:40:02,097 They managed to place themselves 692 00:40:02,132 --> 00:40:04,306 in an elliptical lunar orbit 693 00:40:04,341 --> 00:40:07,896 about 14 kilometers above the lunar surface. 694 00:40:07,931 --> 00:40:09,898 - You're amazed at what you see. 695 00:40:09,933 --> 00:40:11,521 The one thing that always amazed me 696 00:40:11,555 --> 00:40:13,039 were the size of the boulders. 697 00:40:13,074 --> 00:40:17,147 There were these gigantic craters down on the bottom 698 00:40:17,181 --> 00:40:19,494 would be boulder and up on the rim would be boulders. 699 00:40:20,012 --> 00:40:22,980 - [Narrator] During the second and final return to the Moon, 700 00:40:23,015 --> 00:40:25,811 the lunar module lost control, 701 00:40:25,845 --> 00:40:27,985 which was regained shortly thereafter 702 00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:29,953 by its pilot, Thomas Stafford. 703 00:40:29,987 --> 00:40:31,023 - [Thomas Stafford] Yeah, okay. 704 00:40:31,057 --> 00:40:33,750 Something went wild there and we're all set. 705 00:40:33,784 --> 00:40:34,613 We didn't lock it. 706 00:40:34,647 --> 00:40:36,131 We're going ahead to the audible. 707 00:40:36,166 --> 00:40:38,824 - [Controller] Charlie Brown not Houston a guy saving it. 708 00:40:38,858 --> 00:40:41,516 They had a wild gyration though, 709 00:40:41,551 --> 00:40:43,104 but they got it under control. 710 00:40:43,138 --> 00:40:45,313 - One thing people always ask, 711 00:40:45,347 --> 00:40:47,695 were you frightened, were you scared? 712 00:40:47,729 --> 00:40:49,386 The answer is no. 713 00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:53,010 We were fighter pilots, test pilots. 714 00:40:53,045 --> 00:40:54,287 So we knew what risk were. 715 00:40:54,322 --> 00:40:56,980 You did everything you could to mitigate the risk, 716 00:40:57,014 --> 00:40:58,844 but there was a risk. 717 00:40:58,878 --> 00:41:00,984 So, we understood that. 718 00:41:01,018 --> 00:41:03,089 - [Narrator] After completing this maneuver, 719 00:41:03,124 --> 00:41:05,506 the lunar module was abandoned and launched 720 00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:07,956 into orbit around the Sun. 721 00:41:07,991 --> 00:41:11,891 As a final result, the mission was a success. 722 00:41:11,926 --> 00:41:14,549 Separation and docking tests in the lunar orbit 723 00:41:14,584 --> 00:41:15,930 between the command module 724 00:41:15,964 --> 00:41:19,002 and the lunar module were all successful. 725 00:41:19,036 --> 00:41:21,107 The lunar module descended to an altitude 726 00:41:21,142 --> 00:41:25,940 of approximately 15 kilometers above the lunar surface. 727 00:41:25,974 --> 00:41:29,875 - Well, we had a series of debriefings to them about, 728 00:41:29,909 --> 00:41:32,636 because we had all the procedures worked out. 729 00:41:32,671 --> 00:41:35,087 Actually, I went to Neil says, buddy, here you are. 730 00:41:35,121 --> 00:41:36,916 Here's all the techniques, 731 00:41:36,951 --> 00:41:40,886 all the procedures down to the last 50,000 feet. 732 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,958 And you take it there hard decent on the surface, 733 00:41:43,992 --> 00:41:46,995 50,000 feet up, it's all done. 734 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:49,895 So they just followed all the procedures we had. 735 00:41:49,929 --> 00:41:52,587 [ominous music] 736 00:41:55,348 --> 00:41:57,316 We were using has some live cameras 737 00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:59,629 to get the highest resolution. 738 00:41:59,663 --> 00:42:02,597 Well, then and radar was going. 739 00:42:02,632 --> 00:42:06,359 So radar map, photo maps and visually maps. 740 00:42:06,394 --> 00:42:08,120 - But I'll tell you one thing, when we went over, 741 00:42:08,154 --> 00:42:10,294 we made two passes over the landing site 742 00:42:10,329 --> 00:42:12,745 and I tell you what, 743 00:42:13,988 --> 00:42:16,818 I think I said things that boy we are down among, 744 00:42:16,853 --> 00:42:18,924 I felt like I had to pick up my feet 745 00:42:18,958 --> 00:42:20,719 to keep from dragging on top of the mountains. 746 00:42:20,753 --> 00:42:23,998 I mean we were close and we're going over those hills 747 00:42:24,032 --> 00:42:25,655 at 3,000 miles an hour. 748 00:42:25,689 --> 00:42:28,209 So, you can just imagine what that was like. 749 00:42:28,243 --> 00:42:32,109 And it was one of those quick touch and goes. 750 00:42:32,144 --> 00:42:35,596 We didn't have a chance to put our tail hook down to stay. 751 00:42:37,045 --> 00:42:42,050 And that would've been the big part of the challenge. 752 00:42:42,603 --> 00:42:44,363 Nonetheless, we were only the second flight 753 00:42:44,397 --> 00:42:45,226 to go to the Moon, 754 00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:47,262 the first to take the lunar module. 755 00:42:47,297 --> 00:42:49,610 And it was the right decision to be made 756 00:42:49,644 --> 00:42:50,818 to get everything done. 757 00:42:50,852 --> 00:42:55,512 And we found some problems that had we attempted to land 758 00:42:55,546 --> 00:42:56,789 might have kept us from landing 759 00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:59,758 and then paved a way for Apollo 760 00:42:59,792 --> 00:43:01,656 to go hand and successfully land 761 00:43:01,691 --> 00:43:04,279 So, it was the right decision at the right time. 762 00:43:04,314 --> 00:43:05,798 - I have, I've looked at a lot of transcripts. 763 00:43:05,833 --> 00:43:08,525 The Apollo lunar surface journal was great for that. 764 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:10,561 On Apollo 10, which is where we have 765 00:43:10,596 --> 00:43:13,323 the images of Sinus Medii, it's really fascinating, 766 00:43:13,357 --> 00:43:16,015 because Gene Cernan was on that mission 767 00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:17,568 as well as Apollo 17. 768 00:43:17,603 --> 00:43:20,641 And they're at 50,000 feet 769 00:43:20,675 --> 00:43:24,265 and he says, wow, we are really down among them now. 770 00:43:24,299 --> 00:43:27,233 I'm like there's nothing at 50,000 feet. 771 00:43:27,268 --> 00:43:28,718 If the Moon is what they tell us is, 772 00:43:28,752 --> 00:43:31,755 unless it's this artificial glass structure. 773 00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:33,308 at 50,000 feet. 774 00:43:33,343 --> 00:43:34,620 - [Interviewer] If they're scared of hitting it. 775 00:43:34,655 --> 00:43:39,245 - Yeah, meaning he's in amongst towering stuff. 776 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,315 Well, it isn't the mountains, 777 00:43:40,350 --> 00:43:42,007 'cause the mountains aren't that high for sure. 778 00:43:42,041 --> 00:43:44,354 - [Narrator] In addition to recording telemetry related 779 00:43:44,388 --> 00:43:47,460 to the performance of the lunar module spacecraft itself 780 00:43:47,495 --> 00:43:50,256 the DSEA also made audio recordings 781 00:43:50,291 --> 00:43:53,018 of any crew conversation throughout the mission. 782 00:43:53,052 --> 00:43:54,675 - [Astronaut] Apollo can Houston, two minutes, 783 00:43:54,709 --> 00:43:59,680 the LOS, everybody here says God speed. 784 00:44:00,715 --> 00:44:01,889 - [Controller] Okay. and we'll see you right 785 00:44:01,923 --> 00:44:03,304 on the other side in orbit. 786 00:44:05,996 --> 00:44:07,101 - [Astronaut] Okay, this has got be 787 00:44:07,135 --> 00:44:09,759 the greatest site ever here. 788 00:44:09,793 --> 00:44:12,693 - [Astronaut] Try to stand up here. 789 00:44:13,694 --> 00:44:16,351 [ominous music] 790 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,360 [ominous music continues] 791 00:44:31,021 --> 00:44:34,542 [ominous music continues] 792 00:44:40,272 --> 00:44:43,758 [ominous music continues] 793 00:44:49,281 --> 00:44:52,733 [ominous music continues] 794 00:44:58,566 --> 00:45:02,052 [ominous music continues] 795 00:45:07,989 --> 00:45:11,510 [ominous music continues] 796 00:45:17,827 --> 00:45:21,313 [ominous music continues] 797 00:45:27,319 --> 00:45:30,805 [ominous music continues] 798 00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:43,093 - [Reporter] Noises reportedly were heard in May, 1969 799 00:45:43,128 --> 00:45:46,648 by the Apollo 10 astronauts as they circled the Moon. 800 00:45:46,683 --> 00:45:48,927 The sounds which lasted about an hour 801 00:45:48,961 --> 00:45:52,723 were recorded and transmitted to Mission Control in Houston. 802 00:45:53,552 --> 00:45:56,072 - The music even sounds outer space doesn't it? 803 00:45:56,106 --> 00:45:56,900 You hear that? 804 00:45:56,935 --> 00:45:57,798 That whistling sound? 805 00:45:58,695 --> 00:45:59,627 Whoooooooo. 806 00:46:09,671 --> 00:46:10,672 - [Controller] We are getting data. 807 00:46:10,707 --> 00:46:12,813 We don't have any voice communication yet. 808 00:46:13,952 --> 00:46:15,746 - [Astronaut] Roger Houston, Apollo 10. 809 00:46:15,781 --> 00:46:19,026 You can tell the world that we have arrived. 810 00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:20,406 - [Controller] Roger 10, it's good to hear from you. 811 00:46:20,441 --> 00:46:22,823 - [Gene Cernan] You wouldn't believe this thing. 812 00:46:25,549 --> 00:46:27,137 - [Astronaut] Roger 10, we're still 813 00:46:27,172 --> 00:46:29,346 having problems popping up. 814 00:46:29,381 --> 00:46:31,901 Oh, we'd like you to go to white beam for 30 seconds 815 00:46:31,935 --> 00:46:33,523 and then back to narrow over. 816 00:46:33,557 --> 00:46:35,214 - [Gene Cernan] No, I can see it with the naked eye 817 00:46:35,249 --> 00:46:37,147 and I put the binocular on it 818 00:46:37,182 --> 00:46:39,011 and I can it spinning around 819 00:46:39,046 --> 00:46:42,083 and I wouldn't bet my life on it being the S4B 820 00:46:42,118 --> 00:46:45,535 but it's sure gotta be something like it. 821 00:46:47,813 --> 00:46:50,609 - [Reporter] That was Gene Cernan reporting that sighting. 822 00:46:56,718 --> 00:46:58,824 - [Gene Cernan] You know, it's a beautiful sight. 823 00:46:58,859 --> 00:47:00,964 We're sitting here, it's almost like science fiction. 824 00:47:00,999 --> 00:47:02,655 Looking back at it, Bruce. 825 00:47:07,626 --> 00:47:10,940 This is the peacock of Apollo 10, Roger. 826 00:47:12,769 --> 00:47:15,806 And we'd like to say hello from the five of us if we may. 827 00:47:16,807 --> 00:47:17,636 Roger. 828 00:47:18,809 --> 00:47:21,467 [ominous music] 829 00:47:33,203 --> 00:47:35,240 Charlie this is it. 830 00:47:36,206 --> 00:47:37,552 It's so hard to describe. 831 00:47:37,587 --> 00:47:39,244 You can go right up. 832 00:47:41,487 --> 00:47:42,178 Uh, 833 00:47:42,523 --> 00:47:43,800 It is incredible. 834 00:47:50,048 --> 00:47:51,359 - [Controller] Okay, this has got to be 835 00:47:51,394 --> 00:47:52,602 the greatest sight ever. 836 00:47:53,983 --> 00:47:55,122 - [Astronaut] You gotta see it up here. 837 00:48:06,409 --> 00:48:10,792 The land masses don't seem to stand out quite as clearly 838 00:48:10,827 --> 00:48:12,725 today as they did yesterday. 839 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,418 [ominous music] 840 00:48:20,354 --> 00:48:22,011 - [Controller] How's the view 10? 841 00:48:24,427 --> 00:48:26,360 - [Astronaut] We have our student geologist here 842 00:48:26,394 --> 00:48:29,432 overlook at the surface that they reported admitted. 843 00:48:30,295 --> 00:48:32,124 - [Controller] Roger, standing by over. 844 00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:33,746 - [Astronaut] Okay, we're just passing from the highlands 845 00:48:33,781 --> 00:48:38,751 over into the Mari area and you can pass on to Jack. 846 00:48:38,786 --> 00:48:41,202 We caught a couple of real pretty little volcanoes, 847 00:48:41,237 --> 00:48:42,307 there's no doubt about 'em. 848 00:48:42,341 --> 00:48:45,827 And we got a couple of good high resolution photos 849 00:48:45,862 --> 00:48:50,004 and it still looks kind of brownish crater to us here over. 850 00:48:51,592 --> 00:48:53,318 - [Controller] Roger, we copy, we hear that. 851 00:48:53,352 --> 00:48:56,562 - [Astronaut] There was place back there where there's that. 852 00:48:56,597 --> 00:48:59,358 There was one volcano or whatever it was 853 00:49:00,497 --> 00:49:02,120 that it was all white on the outside, 854 00:49:02,154 --> 00:49:04,329 but definitely black around the top of it. 855 00:49:06,814 --> 00:49:07,884 - [Controller] Roger. 856 00:49:11,853 --> 00:49:13,200 Charlie, it might sound corny, 857 00:49:13,234 --> 00:49:15,271 but the view is really out of this world. 858 00:49:19,171 --> 00:49:20,655 We had a couple of comments. 859 00:49:21,553 --> 00:49:23,210 The back row that I won't repeat. 860 00:49:27,110 --> 00:49:30,044 Apollo 10, Houston, two minutes to LOS. 861 00:49:31,011 --> 00:49:32,598 Everybody here says God speed. 862 00:49:35,532 --> 00:49:36,913 - [Astronaut] Okay, And we'll see you 863 00:49:36,947 --> 00:49:38,639 on the other side in orbit. 864 00:49:38,673 --> 00:49:41,745 - [Controller] Oh Roger, 76 22 55. 865 00:49:57,554 --> 00:49:59,763 - Many skeptics and debunkers 866 00:49:59,798 --> 00:50:02,628 will remark on the fact that 867 00:50:02,663 --> 00:50:06,839 mainstream media was not reporting on UFOs, anomalies 868 00:50:06,874 --> 00:50:10,498 and structures being witnessed by astronauts 869 00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:12,431 during the Apollo manned missions. 870 00:50:12,466 --> 00:50:15,469 And the simple reason why mainstream media 871 00:50:15,503 --> 00:50:19,473 wasn't exposed to this back in the 1960s and seventies 872 00:50:19,507 --> 00:50:22,269 during the Apollo missions is because 873 00:50:22,303 --> 00:50:25,789 that information was deeply classified. 874 00:50:25,824 --> 00:50:30,484 In fact, the DSEA tapes weren't actually declassified 875 00:50:30,518 --> 00:50:33,935 till 12 years after these Apollo manned missions. 876 00:50:35,005 --> 00:50:39,976 And additionally, we didn't have photography and film 877 00:50:40,977 --> 00:50:45,050 fully examined by many of the UFO researchers 878 00:50:45,085 --> 00:50:48,364 and independent researchers like Luna Cognita 879 00:50:48,398 --> 00:50:50,883 until many years after. 880 00:50:50,918 --> 00:50:52,092 - How can they keep the secret? 881 00:50:52,126 --> 00:50:55,474 Some of these SETI people like really just make me laugh. 882 00:50:55,509 --> 00:50:58,098 I've heard some pretty stupid comments 883 00:50:58,132 --> 00:50:59,754 coming out of these mouths. 884 00:50:59,789 --> 00:51:02,654 Like this assumption that, oh yeah, the press, 885 00:51:02,688 --> 00:51:05,588 the media wants this scoop. 886 00:51:05,622 --> 00:51:08,591 Well, the media doesn't want that scoop, 887 00:51:08,625 --> 00:51:10,386 because they're not authorized to give it 888 00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:11,835 and they won't give it, 889 00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:13,354 'cause the intelligence community will tell them 890 00:51:13,389 --> 00:51:14,459 what they can give. 891 00:51:14,493 --> 00:51:18,946 And NASA doesn't want this scoop. 892 00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:22,501 And I don't care what these SETI people 893 00:51:22,536 --> 00:51:26,022 like to tell the public they don't want that scoop. 894 00:51:26,056 --> 00:51:27,920 - So another case like this, which is really interesting, 895 00:51:27,955 --> 00:51:31,165 is the case of NASA frame AS10-32-4822. 896 00:51:33,857 --> 00:51:36,584 This is a photograph or a series of photographs 897 00:51:36,619 --> 00:51:39,656 that was taken over the lunar surface 898 00:51:39,691 --> 00:51:42,176 right in the middle Sinus Medii the sea in the middle. 899 00:51:42,211 --> 00:51:45,973 The sea in the middle where the Apollo 10 spacecraft 900 00:51:46,007 --> 00:51:49,218 was flying by and took photographs of this area. 901 00:51:49,252 --> 00:51:51,323 This is dead center on the lunar disk. 902 00:51:51,358 --> 00:51:53,222 If you were to look at the lunar disk, 903 00:51:53,256 --> 00:51:55,362 you'd see a triangular shaped crater called you Kurt. 904 00:51:55,396 --> 00:51:58,158 And then right next to it is the Sinus Medii area. 905 00:51:58,192 --> 00:52:03,266 It's also an area where surveyor four disappeared in mid-air 906 00:52:03,301 --> 00:52:04,957 while descending to a landing there 907 00:52:04,992 --> 00:52:08,444 just like a bug went splat on a windshield. 908 00:52:08,478 --> 00:52:09,652 So this is the photograph. 909 00:52:09,686 --> 00:52:13,794 This is an original analog image that's been scanned in 910 00:52:13,828 --> 00:52:18,833 by researchers back in the 1990s. 911 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,318 And it looks pretty straightforward. 912 00:52:20,352 --> 00:52:23,735 This is actually AS10-32-4810. 913 00:52:23,769 --> 00:52:25,633 So it's a couple images earlier. 914 00:52:25,668 --> 00:52:27,221 It's 12 images earlier than that 915 00:52:27,256 --> 00:52:28,912 over the Sinus Medii region. 916 00:52:28,947 --> 00:52:30,776 And you notice in the background that 917 00:52:30,811 --> 00:52:33,538 there's all this weird sort of stuff. 918 00:52:33,572 --> 00:52:36,265 You see all this light sources, 919 00:52:36,299 --> 00:52:38,094 now that can't be stars, 920 00:52:38,128 --> 00:52:41,270 because the frame exposure is one 250th of a second. 921 00:52:41,304 --> 00:52:42,892 If you go much longer than that, 922 00:52:42,926 --> 00:52:45,757 the whole foreground is gonna be washed out with light. 923 00:52:45,791 --> 00:52:47,276 So it has to be really, really rapid. 924 00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:49,830 So it can't possibly be far distance stars 925 00:52:49,864 --> 00:52:52,039 and galaxies and planets. 926 00:52:52,073 --> 00:52:55,042 But if you enhance this image, 927 00:52:55,076 --> 00:52:58,010 if you brighten up the background, it gets even weirder 928 00:52:58,045 --> 00:52:59,771 because this is what the background is. 929 00:52:59,805 --> 00:53:02,739 So what you see is that these light points 930 00:53:02,774 --> 00:53:07,054 are actually just points of... structure 931 00:53:07,088 --> 00:53:09,988 that is in this massive miles high... 932 00:53:11,921 --> 00:53:15,235 geometric structure above the lunar surface over the sea 933 00:53:15,269 --> 00:53:16,477 in the middle of Sinus Medii. 934 00:53:16,512 --> 00:53:21,517 Now, if you notice, there are these crisscrossing lines 935 00:53:21,758 --> 00:53:22,759 and people are like, oh, 936 00:53:22,794 --> 00:53:24,485 those are just scratches on the negative. 937 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:25,797 Well, but that doesn't make any sense, 938 00:53:25,831 --> 00:53:28,524 because when do scratches on the negative 939 00:53:28,558 --> 00:53:32,459 follow the curvature of the lunar surface? 940 00:53:32,493 --> 00:53:36,842 And when do they intersect at 90 degree angles, 941 00:53:36,877 --> 00:53:37,843 like these do. 942 00:53:38,672 --> 00:53:40,881 And again, as an engineer, I look at this, 943 00:53:40,915 --> 00:53:42,020 I look at the spacing. 944 00:53:42,054 --> 00:53:44,747 I say this is exactly how I would construct 945 00:53:44,781 --> 00:53:48,302 a grid-like structure over the surface of the Moon. 946 00:53:48,337 --> 00:53:53,307 If you zoom in on it, there's this sort of box-like shape. 947 00:53:53,963 --> 00:53:57,311 And here's spars coming this way and spars coming that way. 948 00:53:57,346 --> 00:53:58,761 And here's one crossing. 949 00:53:58,795 --> 00:54:01,453 And these are all not scratches. 950 00:54:01,488 --> 00:54:03,352 These all have structure to them. 951 00:54:03,386 --> 00:54:06,872 They all have, if you look at them really, really closely, 952 00:54:06,907 --> 00:54:10,738 they all have segments, they all have aspects to them 953 00:54:10,773 --> 00:54:12,775 that make them appear to be engineering. 954 00:54:13,879 --> 00:54:16,019 And when you enhance it, put a color into it, 955 00:54:16,054 --> 00:54:17,400 it looks even weirder. 956 00:54:19,851 --> 00:54:23,199 Here's another version with a slightly darker background. 957 00:54:23,233 --> 00:54:25,512 So then you get a couple of pictures later 958 00:54:25,546 --> 00:54:29,309 and you go to AS10-32-4816. 959 00:54:29,343 --> 00:54:33,761 So four photographs later, over the surface of Sinus Medii. 960 00:54:33,796 --> 00:54:35,038 Here you have the same phenomenon. 961 00:54:35,073 --> 00:54:36,902 You have these little points of light, 962 00:54:36,937 --> 00:54:39,905 which should not be there at all. 963 00:54:39,940 --> 00:54:43,702 And then when you enhance that background, you see this. 964 00:54:45,048 --> 00:54:49,674 This looks like, I don't know, skyscrapers on the Moon, 965 00:54:49,708 --> 00:54:50,778 The Twin Towers. 966 00:54:50,813 --> 00:54:52,435 I mean when you look and zoom up on this 967 00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:53,988 and also notice this isn't 968 00:54:54,023 --> 00:54:56,370 some sort of like digital artifact, 969 00:54:56,405 --> 00:54:57,992 because if it was, it would be over the whole thing. 970 00:54:58,027 --> 00:55:01,927 Yet, there's this big hole through which you can see 971 00:55:01,962 --> 00:55:05,345 stuff in the background, more big towering stuff. 972 00:55:05,379 --> 00:55:07,623 And when you zoom up on the edges of that, 973 00:55:07,657 --> 00:55:09,866 you can see just how weird they are. 974 00:55:09,901 --> 00:55:12,973 They look like big glass skyscrapers. 975 00:55:13,007 --> 00:55:15,044 So having found this stuff, 976 00:55:15,078 --> 00:55:18,012 Hoagland was really interested in finding more. 977 00:55:18,047 --> 00:55:19,807 So he went and he got himself 978 00:55:19,842 --> 00:55:22,983 an old North American photographic catalog 979 00:55:23,017 --> 00:55:24,467 from the time period. 980 00:55:24,502 --> 00:55:28,713 And as he looked at these images, he went and he said, 981 00:55:28,747 --> 00:55:30,473 oh, well, look at some of these other ones. 982 00:55:30,508 --> 00:55:34,857 These other catalog images don't look like much at all. 983 00:55:34,891 --> 00:55:38,895 They look really over underexposed, including this one 984 00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:40,483 which is completely blacked out. 985 00:55:40,518 --> 00:55:43,659 It's like they left the lens cap on the camera or something. 986 00:55:43,693 --> 00:55:45,281 So what did he do? 987 00:55:45,315 --> 00:55:47,179 He ordered the blacked out photograph. 988 00:55:47,214 --> 00:55:50,631 And when he got AS10-32-4822, 989 00:55:50,666 --> 00:55:53,082 again, taken just what, six frames later, 990 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:59,468 he got this area of Sinus Medii, 991 00:55:59,502 --> 00:56:02,919 which is about the size of the Los Angeles Basin, 992 00:56:02,954 --> 00:56:05,094 and has been analyzed by geologists who said, 993 00:56:05,128 --> 00:56:07,890 this is a completely non-natural pattern. 994 00:56:07,924 --> 00:56:11,238 Again, 90 degrees, crisscrossing streets, 995 00:56:11,272 --> 00:56:16,001 that kind of thing, as if you were looking at Los Angeles. 996 00:56:16,036 --> 00:56:19,591 And as you zoom up on it, it gets even weirder. 997 00:56:19,626 --> 00:56:23,319 And then there are objects that appeared 998 00:56:23,353 --> 00:56:24,838 that then seemed to disappear. 999 00:56:25,701 --> 00:56:28,117 What they did is they ordered 4822 1000 00:56:28,151 --> 00:56:29,532 once they thought they had something. 1001 00:56:29,567 --> 00:56:33,329 They ordered 4822 from nine different NASA archives 1002 00:56:33,363 --> 00:56:34,364 that existed at the time where 1003 00:56:34,399 --> 00:56:36,608 you could get photographic prints, 1004 00:56:36,643 --> 00:56:40,647 Hawaii, Maryland, Washington DC. 1005 00:56:40,681 --> 00:56:45,134 And what they found is that all nine of the versions 1006 00:56:45,168 --> 00:56:49,690 of AS10-32-4822 were different. 1007 00:56:51,174 --> 00:56:54,177 So what they realized was that what they were looking at 1008 00:56:54,212 --> 00:56:56,732 was probably a power winder sequence. 1009 00:56:56,766 --> 00:56:59,355 The spacecraft is moving left to right, 1010 00:56:59,389 --> 00:57:00,839 the astronauts looking out the window, 1011 00:57:00,874 --> 00:57:03,117 he's got a power winder on his Hasselblad. 1012 00:57:03,152 --> 00:57:04,981 He pushes down his finger and takes 1013 00:57:05,016 --> 00:57:09,089 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. 1014 00:57:09,123 --> 00:57:11,022 And so, objects would appear 1015 00:57:11,056 --> 00:57:14,232 in some versions of 4822 and disappear in others. 1016 00:57:14,266 --> 00:57:16,441 Here's an example of one of those. 1017 00:57:17,546 --> 00:57:20,514 It looks like a giant paper clip near Los Angeles. 1018 00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:23,379 If you go back to Los Angeles, if you go back. 1019 00:57:24,691 --> 00:57:26,900 That object should be right here, it's not there. 1020 00:57:26,934 --> 00:57:28,798 But then the next frame, it is there, 1021 00:57:28,833 --> 00:57:31,180 because the light changes. 1022 00:57:31,214 --> 00:57:32,422 So this is a huge antenna. 1023 00:57:32,457 --> 00:57:35,425 This tower is a couple hundred feet tall 1024 00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:39,982 and whatever this thing is, it's an antenna or something. 1025 00:57:40,016 --> 00:57:41,846 It does not belong on the Moon. 1026 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,331 If the Moon is what NASA tells us it is. 1027 00:57:44,365 --> 00:57:49,370 And there are other frames through the area of 4822 1028 00:57:49,716 --> 00:57:52,132 that show weird light reflection 1029 00:57:52,166 --> 00:57:54,548 like there's lights on down there. 1030 00:57:54,583 --> 00:57:55,825 And then there's this object, 1031 00:57:55,860 --> 00:57:58,932 which is my favorite one on the various versions of 4822. 1032 00:57:58,966 --> 00:57:59,760 It's pretty famous. 1033 00:57:59,795 --> 00:58:01,831 It's called The Castle. 1034 00:58:01,866 --> 00:58:05,421 And it appears to be hanging amidst all this stuff. 1035 00:58:05,455 --> 00:58:09,805 Just hanging there in space miles above the lunar surface. 1036 00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:13,947 It has segments that clearly look to me to be structural. 1037 00:58:13,981 --> 00:58:16,294 There's even a indication of a, 1038 00:58:16,328 --> 00:58:19,021 like a sagging line. - [Interviewer] Scaffolding? 1039 00:58:19,055 --> 00:58:21,575 - Yeah, scaffolding or a sagging like line 1040 00:58:21,610 --> 00:58:22,611 that it's hanging from. 1041 00:58:22,645 --> 00:58:24,336 You can see that this, the weight of this thing 1042 00:58:24,371 --> 00:58:28,582 is pulling on this wire that it's hanging from. 1043 00:58:28,617 --> 00:58:29,928 And it does appear in a couple 1044 00:58:29,963 --> 00:58:31,965 different versions of the frame. 1045 00:58:31,999 --> 00:58:34,208 Here's the one with the wire and then this one 1046 00:58:34,243 --> 00:58:37,557 is obviously the next one over and another step over 1047 00:58:37,591 --> 00:58:39,938 where the thing has not reflected the light, 1048 00:58:39,973 --> 00:58:41,353 because now the spacecraft has moved. 1049 00:58:41,388 --> 00:58:44,564 So, it's changed direction just a little bit. 1050 00:58:44,598 --> 00:58:47,049 The wire disappears that it's hanging from 1051 00:58:47,083 --> 00:58:48,257 and it's narrower. 1052 00:58:48,291 --> 00:58:51,432 See how it's narrower than it is here, 1053 00:58:51,467 --> 00:58:52,675 - [Interviewer] It's under exposed. 1054 00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:53,883 - Right, and basically, 1055 00:58:53,918 --> 00:58:55,920 because the light geometry is fading, 1056 00:58:55,954 --> 00:58:58,163 the light is not now bouncing directly into the camera 1057 00:58:58,198 --> 00:59:00,718 like it was a split second before that, 1058 00:59:00,752 --> 00:59:01,891 because the spacecraft is moving 1059 00:59:01,926 --> 00:59:03,893 at thousands of miles an hour. 1060 00:59:03,928 --> 00:59:05,412 And again, you go up to the edge of it 1061 00:59:05,446 --> 00:59:06,620 and you can see that there's sort of 1062 00:59:06,655 --> 00:59:08,277 an internal geometry to it. 1063 00:59:08,311 --> 00:59:10,762 There's a lot of cells and structures. 1064 00:59:10,797 --> 00:59:13,006 It is absolutely fascinating. 1065 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,629 And they hid, they knew what was on these, 1066 00:59:15,664 --> 00:59:19,219 because they hid all nine of these photographs 1067 00:59:19,253 --> 00:59:20,358 under one frame number. 1068 00:59:20,392 --> 00:59:24,224 It should be 4822, 4823, 4824, 1069 00:59:24,258 --> 00:59:25,812 all the way up to 4832. 1070 00:59:25,846 --> 00:59:28,124 But it's not, it's all buried under one frame number, 1071 00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:29,850 which they, I will remind you, 1072 00:59:29,885 --> 00:59:31,196 blacked out in the catalog, 1073 00:59:31,231 --> 00:59:32,991 'cause they didn't want anybody to look at it. 1074 00:59:33,026 --> 00:59:35,338 But because of the religious aspects of this, 1075 00:59:35,373 --> 00:59:39,308 the weird, strange symbolism and stuff, 1076 00:59:39,342 --> 00:59:42,276 they couldn't just completely erase them from history. 1077 00:59:42,311 --> 00:59:46,004 They had to give you some access to the originals. 1078 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,835 If it wasn't for Hoagland being super clever, 1079 00:59:48,869 --> 00:59:50,699 we would never have found this stuff. 1080 00:59:50,733 --> 00:59:53,494 [dramatic music] 1081 00:59:58,430 --> 01:00:01,744 [high pace music] 1082 01:00:01,779 --> 01:00:03,539 - For the first time, man is about 1083 01:00:03,573 --> 01:00:05,610 to set foot on the Moon surface. 1084 01:00:07,336 --> 01:00:09,752 This is the television camera that 1085 01:00:09,787 --> 01:00:12,237 will record that historic event. 1086 01:00:13,929 --> 01:00:16,897 You'll see it live on your home television set. 1087 01:00:17,864 --> 01:00:21,246 I'm Stan Lebar Westinghouse program manager 1088 01:00:21,281 --> 01:00:23,145 for Apollo television cameras. 1089 01:00:24,146 --> 01:00:26,804 The public is probably most familiar 1090 01:00:26,838 --> 01:00:29,565 with this color television camera 1091 01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:34,604 that was used by astronaut Tom Stafford on Apollo 10. 1092 01:00:35,295 --> 01:00:37,193 And this is a camera that took those 1093 01:00:37,228 --> 01:00:41,473 extraordinary color pictures of both the Earth and the Moon. 1094 01:00:41,508 --> 01:00:44,442 Incidentally, this color camera will be used 1095 01:00:44,476 --> 01:00:46,927 in the command module on Apollo 11. 1096 01:00:48,135 --> 01:00:50,690 But the world attention will be focused 1097 01:00:50,724 --> 01:00:53,347 on this small black and white camera 1098 01:00:53,382 --> 01:00:55,487 that will be located in the lens 1099 01:00:55,522 --> 01:00:57,731 and it will record the astronaut 1100 01:00:57,766 --> 01:01:00,596 as he descends to the lunar surface 1101 01:01:00,630 --> 01:01:03,288 and takes those first monumental steps. 1102 01:01:03,323 --> 01:01:05,359 - [Controller] This is Apollo Saturn launch control. 1103 01:01:05,394 --> 01:01:06,982 We passed the six minute mark 1104 01:01:07,016 --> 01:01:08,742 in our countdown for Apollo 11. 1105 01:01:08,777 --> 01:01:12,573 The flight to land the first men on the Moon. 1106 01:01:12,608 --> 01:01:13,989 The vehicle's starting to pressu 1107 01:01:14,023 --> 01:01:16,681 as far as the propellant tanks are concerned 1108 01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:20,478 and all is still go as we monitor our status for it. 1109 01:01:20,512 --> 01:01:22,687 Firing command coming in now. 1110 01:01:22,722 --> 01:01:24,206 They're on an automatic sequence 1111 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,036 as the master computer supervises hundreds of events 1112 01:01:27,071 --> 01:01:29,418 occurring over these last few minutes. 1113 01:01:30,522 --> 01:01:31,903 Neil Armstrong reported back 1114 01:01:31,938 --> 01:01:33,284 when he received the good wishes 1115 01:01:33,318 --> 01:01:34,354 Thank you very much. 1116 01:01:34,388 --> 01:01:36,045 We know it will be a good flight. 1117 01:01:37,115 --> 01:01:38,807 Good luck and God speed. 1118 01:01:40,153 --> 01:01:43,950 40 seconds away from the Apollo 11 lift off. 1119 01:01:43,984 --> 01:01:46,124 All the second stage tanks now pressurized, 1120 01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:47,850 35 seconds and counting. 1121 01:01:47,885 --> 01:01:52,061 We are still go with Apollo 11, T minus 15 seconds. 1122 01:01:52,096 --> 01:01:53,753 Guidance is internal. 1123 01:01:53,787 --> 01:01:58,758 12, 11, 10, 9, ignition sequence start, 6. 1124 01:02:01,484 --> 01:02:04,418 [rockets blasting] 1125 01:02:07,456 --> 01:02:10,493 - [Narrator] July 16th, 1969, 1126 01:02:10,528 --> 01:02:13,013 Apollo 11 was the fifth manned mission 1127 01:02:13,048 --> 01:02:14,808 of the US Apollo program 1128 01:02:14,843 --> 01:02:18,570 and the first in history to land a human being on the Moon. 1129 01:02:19,537 --> 01:02:22,540 [suspenseful music] 1130 01:02:30,479 --> 01:02:33,413 [rockets blasting] 1131 01:02:45,528 --> 01:02:47,013 - [Gary Martynuik] Today, I wanted to give you a closer look 1132 01:02:47,047 --> 01:02:50,257 at a very brief segment of 16 mm "DAC" Motion Picture 1133 01:02:50,292 --> 01:02:52,328 footage from the NASA archives 1134 01:02:52,363 --> 01:02:55,297 that was originally shot back in July in 1969 1135 01:02:55,331 --> 01:02:57,402 during the flight of Apollo 11. 1136 01:02:57,437 --> 01:02:58,852 And the footage was taken throug 1137 01:02:58,887 --> 01:03:00,889 one of the windows of the command service module 1138 01:03:00,923 --> 01:03:03,236 during what was called the Trans-Lunar Coast 1139 01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:05,445 or TLC phase of the mission. 1140 01:03:05,479 --> 01:03:07,965 And this was the three-day period when the astronauts 1141 01:03:07,999 --> 01:03:10,795 were crossing the almost 400,000 kilometer 1142 01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:14,040 cislunar void that separates our Earth from the Moon. 1143 01:03:14,074 --> 01:03:15,213 And at some point during 1144 01:03:15,248 --> 01:03:17,629 this outbound journey through cislunar space, 1145 01:03:17,664 --> 01:03:19,424 one of the Apollo 11 astronauts 1146 01:03:19,459 --> 01:03:20,943 did some unscheduled shooting 1147 01:03:20,978 --> 01:03:23,739 with the 16 mm "DAC" Motion Picture Camera. 1148 01:03:23,773 --> 01:03:25,465 And in the process managed to film 1149 01:03:25,499 --> 01:03:28,882 several unidentified objects outside their spacecraft. 1150 01:03:28,917 --> 01:03:30,850 And to show you what I mean, 1151 01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:38,685 While this particular clip has been 1152 01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:41,239 digitally archived by NASA, so that when played back, 1153 01:03:41,274 --> 01:03:43,932 it appears to be about one second in duration, 1154 01:03:43,966 --> 01:03:45,588 it is not actually showing us 1155 01:03:45,623 --> 01:03:48,177 a one second period of time caught on film. 1156 01:03:48,212 --> 01:03:50,041 This clip we're examining here is actually 1157 01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:52,388 time compressed stop motion footage. 1158 01:03:52,423 --> 01:03:54,494 And in this case, the sequence is comprised 1159 01:03:54,528 --> 01:03:58,532 of 11 individual distinct frames of 16 millimeter film 1160 01:03:58,567 --> 01:04:01,328 that were originally exposed at one frame per second 1161 01:04:01,363 --> 01:04:04,228 intervals over a period of 11 seconds. 1162 01:04:04,262 --> 01:04:06,575 And this type of stop motion filming was possible, 1163 01:04:06,609 --> 01:04:09,612 because the Mauer 16 mm DAC that was used 1164 01:04:09,647 --> 01:04:11,891 throughout the Apollo program was in fact 1165 01:04:11,925 --> 01:04:13,962 a variable frame rate motion picture camera 1166 01:04:13,996 --> 01:04:15,618 that was capable of shooting 1167 01:04:15,653 --> 01:04:18,000 at four different preset exposure speeds 1168 01:04:18,035 --> 01:04:21,486 either 1, 6, 12, or 24 frames per second. 1169 01:04:21,521 --> 01:04:24,627 And in the case of this footage, rather than archiving it 1170 01:04:24,662 --> 01:04:27,561 at the correct one frame per second playback speed, 1171 01:04:27,596 --> 01:04:29,874 they instead incorrectly archived the sequence 1172 01:04:29,909 --> 01:04:33,084 as if it had been shot at 12 frames per second instead. 1173 01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:34,706 So this means that NASA actually 1174 01:04:34,741 --> 01:04:36,950 present this stop motion sequence in such a way 1175 01:04:36,985 --> 01:04:38,779 that it is being shown at a playback rate 1176 01:04:38,814 --> 01:04:40,471 that's 12 times faster than 1177 01:04:40,505 --> 01:04:42,645 what the frames were actually exposed at. 1178 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:43,957 Whatever these objects are, 1179 01:04:43,992 --> 01:04:45,786 they are clearly flying free in space. 1180 01:04:45,821 --> 01:04:48,582 And we can say with certainty that they are definitely 1181 01:04:48,617 --> 01:04:51,516 not any declared satellites or known debris. 1182 01:04:51,551 --> 01:04:53,587 We don't know what they are, where they came from, 1183 01:04:53,622 --> 01:04:55,106 how they got there, where they're going, 1184 01:04:55,141 --> 01:04:56,245 or what they're doing there. 1185 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,247 And that by definition puts them 1186 01:04:58,282 --> 01:05:00,491 into the category of being unidentified. 1187 01:05:01,492 --> 01:05:05,875 - So if somebody's gonna say UFOs are just our craft 1188 01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:10,294 from a very top secret aerospace project, 1189 01:05:10,328 --> 01:05:14,988 and for example, some people will say the Phoenix Lights, 1190 01:05:15,023 --> 01:05:18,819 that might have been what's called a TR3B. 1191 01:05:18,854 --> 01:05:23,859 It's supposed to be this massive black budget craft 1192 01:05:24,101 --> 01:05:29,106 that was a crew and heavy equipment carrier 1193 01:05:30,486 --> 01:05:33,179 that would take stuff to space in sort of 1194 01:05:33,213 --> 01:05:36,423 what people label a secret space program. 1195 01:05:37,493 --> 01:05:39,012 What do you think about that? 1196 01:05:39,047 --> 01:05:39,875 - I don't believe it. 1197 01:05:39,909 --> 01:05:40,703 - You don't believe it? 1198 01:05:40,738 --> 01:05:42,084 - Nope, don't believe it. 1199 01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:44,121 - Would you say that the Phoenix- 1200 01:05:44,155 --> 01:05:45,053 - I think that the Phoenix Lights, 1201 01:05:45,087 --> 01:05:46,330 I mean that was like two miles across 1202 01:05:46,364 --> 01:05:47,434 from the eyewitness testimony, 1203 01:05:47,469 --> 01:05:49,229 including the Governor of Arizona. 1204 01:05:49,264 --> 01:05:52,301 And it could hover very, very slowly. 1205 01:05:53,475 --> 01:05:55,753 And when it took off, it took off 1206 01:05:55,787 --> 01:05:57,306 like at the speed of light. 1207 01:05:57,341 --> 01:05:58,549 I mean, it would change its shape 1208 01:05:58,583 --> 01:06:00,585 a little bit and just gone. 1209 01:06:00,620 --> 01:06:03,209 And then you have the telepathic aspect of it too, 1210 01:06:03,243 --> 01:06:05,107 from the witnesses that I spoke to. 1211 01:06:05,142 --> 01:06:07,661 So, I'm not gonna sit there and say that 1212 01:06:07,696 --> 01:06:09,249 I definitively can make a statement 1213 01:06:09,284 --> 01:06:12,045 that there's no such thing as a secret space program. 1214 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,633 I just haven't seen the evidence for it 1215 01:06:13,667 --> 01:06:16,049 and I haven't heard the test testimony for it. 1216 01:06:16,084 --> 01:06:22,849 And I'm highly dubious, even though here I am 1217 01:06:22,883 --> 01:06:25,093 putting out a film on a UFO crash 1218 01:06:25,127 --> 01:06:26,956 with live aliens in the town, 1219 01:06:26,991 --> 01:06:31,996 but I haven't seen the evidence. 1220 01:06:32,824 --> 01:06:36,035 I mean, it makes sense that there would be, 1221 01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:37,381 there are sightings here. 1222 01:06:37,415 --> 01:06:39,521 Why wouldn't there be sightings out there? 1223 01:06:41,212 --> 01:06:42,938 It's not my area of expertise. 1224 01:06:42,972 --> 01:06:45,734 I don't dig into, I look into the phenomenon 1225 01:06:45,768 --> 01:06:48,288 and if it leads me to an astronaut, great. 1226 01:06:48,323 --> 01:06:51,981 And if not, you know, so I just know 1227 01:06:52,016 --> 01:06:54,846 that what Fay Ann Potter told me 1228 01:06:55,813 --> 01:06:57,332 about her brother Buzz Aldrin, 1229 01:06:57,366 --> 01:06:59,886 that they saw something on the way to the Moon. 1230 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:03,648 [rhythmic suspenseful music] 1231 01:07:09,551 --> 01:07:14,107 [rhythmic suspenseful music continues] 1232 01:07:21,149 --> 01:07:23,875 [dramatic music] 1233 01:07:34,231 --> 01:07:36,371 - [Narrator] The lunar landing was on July 20th 1234 01:07:36,405 --> 01:07:37,924 of that same year. 1235 01:07:37,958 --> 01:07:40,547 And the following day, two astronauts became 1236 01:07:40,582 --> 01:07:43,447 the first to walk on the lunar surface. 1237 01:07:43,481 --> 01:07:47,071 [dramatic music continues] 1238 01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:05,607 - [Astronaut] Okay, engine stop APA at a defense 1239 01:08:05,641 --> 01:08:09,093 or control both auto-dependent command override off. 1240 01:08:09,128 --> 01:08:10,646 Engine arm off. 1241 01:08:10,681 --> 01:08:12,200 For 13 is in. 1242 01:08:13,580 --> 01:08:15,444 - [Astronaut] We copy it down, Eagle. 1243 01:08:15,927 --> 01:08:17,239 Houston, uh... 1244 01:08:21,692 --> 01:08:24,867 - [Controller] Roger tranquility we copy you on the ground. 1245 01:08:24,902 --> 01:08:26,766 You got a bunch of guys about to turn blue, 1246 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,595 we're breathing again, thanks a lot. 1247 01:08:29,976 --> 01:08:32,289 - When we did get close and we rolled out 1248 01:08:32,323 --> 01:08:36,120 and saw it for the first time, it was a revelation. 1249 01:08:36,155 --> 01:08:40,089 It was gigantic, it filled our entire window. 1250 01:08:42,954 --> 01:08:44,370 - Flying through the Moon shadow 1251 01:08:44,404 --> 01:08:48,926 and seeing the Sun eclipsed by the Moon as we approached it, 1252 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,652 that was a very spectacular sight. 1253 01:08:51,756 --> 01:08:53,827 - [Narrator] Commander Armstrong was the first human 1254 01:08:53,862 --> 01:08:56,692 to set foot on the surface of the Earth's satellite 1255 01:08:56,727 --> 01:09:01,732 on July 21st, 1969 at 02:56 UTC, international time 1256 01:09:03,147 --> 01:09:05,460 south of the Sea of Tranquility, 1257 01:09:05,494 --> 01:09:08,463 six and a half hours after landing on the Moon. 1258 01:09:08,497 --> 01:09:12,260 This historic milestone was broadcast to the entire planet 1259 01:09:12,294 --> 01:09:15,124 from the Parks Observatory in Australia. 1260 01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:17,299 - [Neil Armstrong] Here, men from the planet Earth, 1261 01:09:17,334 --> 01:09:20,199 first step foot upon the moon, July 1969. 1262 01:09:23,547 --> 01:09:26,308 We came in peace for all mankind. 1263 01:09:27,275 --> 01:09:30,001 [dramatic music] 1264 01:09:36,698 --> 01:09:40,253 [dramatic music continues] 1265 01:09:46,155 --> 01:09:49,711 [dramatic music continues] 1266 01:09:55,303 --> 01:09:58,858 [dramatic music continues] 1267 01:10:04,691 --> 01:10:08,247 [dramatic music continues] 1268 01:10:14,632 --> 01:10:18,257 [dramatic music continues] 1269 01:10:21,190 --> 01:10:22,088 - [Astronaut] It's beautiful. 1270 01:10:22,122 --> 01:10:23,986 - [Astronaut] Isn't that something? 1271 01:10:24,021 --> 01:10:28,094 Say here are you talking about a mysterious looking place. 1272 01:10:28,128 --> 01:10:30,786 They can cut some fresh some parts of those pictures up. 1273 01:10:30,821 --> 01:10:33,202 Make a nice photograph. 1274 01:10:33,237 --> 01:10:35,964 [dramatic music] 1275 01:10:41,694 --> 01:10:45,284 [dramatic music continues] 1276 01:10:51,566 --> 01:10:54,016 They can cut some fresh some parts of those pictures up. 1277 01:10:54,051 --> 01:10:56,156 Make a nice photograph. 1278 01:10:56,191 --> 01:10:59,746 [dramatic music continues] 1279 01:11:07,582 --> 01:11:10,239 - There's this thing that came out about 2014, 1280 01:11:10,274 --> 01:11:12,311 and it's an image that was found on the internet 1281 01:11:12,345 --> 01:11:13,622 that had actually been posted 1282 01:11:13,657 --> 01:11:16,522 back in the early days like 2002. 1283 01:11:16,556 --> 01:11:20,319 And it had a number as1120pyramid20small2.jpg, 1284 01:11:23,494 --> 01:11:25,289 that was the name of the image. 1285 01:11:25,324 --> 01:11:27,981 And it showed what clearly appears to be 1286 01:11:28,016 --> 01:11:30,329 an artificial structure on the surface of the Moon, 1287 01:11:30,363 --> 01:11:32,952 but nobody really knew where it came from. 1288 01:11:32,986 --> 01:11:36,749 The AS11 indicated that it was an Apollo 11 shot, 1289 01:11:36,783 --> 01:11:39,268 and it took researchers quite a while 1290 01:11:39,303 --> 01:11:40,822 to actually find the image. 1291 01:11:40,856 --> 01:11:45,723 And it turned out the image was AS11-38-5564. 1292 01:11:45,758 --> 01:11:46,655 Now this is interesting, 1293 01:11:46,690 --> 01:11:48,795 because it was an image that was taken, 1294 01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:51,108 it was a photograph that was taken 1295 01:11:51,142 --> 01:11:52,972 by one of the Apollo 11 astronauts, 1296 01:11:53,006 --> 01:11:55,975 either Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin or Michael Collins 1297 01:11:56,009 --> 01:11:59,254 shooting out the window of the command module 1298 01:11:59,288 --> 01:12:02,395 as they were flying over the lunar surface 1299 01:12:02,430 --> 01:12:03,948 on trans Earth injection. 1300 01:12:03,983 --> 01:12:05,674 They had already fired the engine, 1301 01:12:05,709 --> 01:12:06,848 they were heading towards Earth 1302 01:12:06,882 --> 01:12:08,643 and they were just shooting the hell 1303 01:12:08,677 --> 01:12:10,714 out of the backside of the Moon. 1304 01:12:10,748 --> 01:12:13,026 Now, the interesting thing about this is that 1305 01:12:13,061 --> 01:12:14,994 they took these pictures just, again, 1306 01:12:15,028 --> 01:12:16,202 probably with a power winder, 1307 01:12:16,236 --> 01:12:17,445 one after the other, after the other. 1308 01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,380 But the film was so good that they could take 1309 01:12:22,657 --> 01:12:24,417 just lots and lots of photographs. 1310 01:12:24,452 --> 01:12:29,422 This is the image as it appeared in an a NASA archive. 1311 01:12:31,942 --> 01:12:35,290 And it's an image of a crater called Daedalus. 1312 01:12:35,324 --> 01:12:38,569 Now, this thing is very, very near the crater Daedalus, 1313 01:12:38,604 --> 01:12:40,847 it's actually Daedalus R, I believe. 1314 01:12:40,882 --> 01:12:45,887 And Daedalus is dead center on the back disc of the Moon. 1315 01:12:45,921 --> 01:12:48,268 In other words, it's the exact antipode, 1316 01:12:48,303 --> 01:12:52,238 the other side of Sinus Medii where we just saw The Castle. 1317 01:12:52,272 --> 01:12:54,654 So you might expect to find something there. 1318 01:12:54,689 --> 01:12:57,623 I have a feeling this is why they were photographing this. 1319 01:12:57,657 --> 01:13:00,626 So in that area, and again, 1320 01:13:00,660 --> 01:13:03,145 this is Sinus Medii with the triangular crater, 1321 01:13:03,180 --> 01:13:04,802 pretty interesting stuff. 1322 01:13:04,837 --> 01:13:07,184 And then on the back you have this Ziggurat. 1323 01:13:07,218 --> 01:13:09,082 So, as we looked at this thing, 1324 01:13:10,808 --> 01:13:13,259 it began to look more and more like something 1325 01:13:13,293 --> 01:13:16,227 that was completely artificial and did not belong there. 1326 01:13:16,262 --> 01:13:19,921 And again, I went through it, did some enhancement, 1327 01:13:21,267 --> 01:13:22,579 tried to get more detail out. 1328 01:13:22,613 --> 01:13:24,684 And what you see, or at least what I saw 1329 01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:27,653 is these four walls, this wall structure, 1330 01:13:28,999 --> 01:13:32,278 sort of a weird angled front end to it. 1331 01:13:32,312 --> 01:13:34,038 Kind of there's a triangle shape there, 1332 01:13:34,073 --> 01:13:38,491 and then there's like a central box with maybe windows. 1333 01:13:38,526 --> 01:13:40,631 There's a passageway to actually enter it 1334 01:13:40,666 --> 01:13:42,668 and like a little dome on top. 1335 01:13:42,702 --> 01:13:43,876 Pretty bizarre stuff. 1336 01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:46,292 Well, somebody pointed out this looks a lot like 1337 01:13:46,326 --> 01:13:51,331 the Ziggurat at Ur in Mesopotamia or modern day Iraq. 1338 01:13:51,539 --> 01:13:53,402 And yeah, here's this basic structure. 1339 01:13:53,437 --> 01:13:56,820 Here's these entrances, these walkways, 1340 01:13:56,854 --> 01:13:58,580 this is what it looked like when they first found it 1341 01:13:58,615 --> 01:14:02,515 in the 1930s and it's now been re-excavated. 1342 01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:04,379 And this is what the original structure looked like. 1343 01:14:04,413 --> 01:14:05,656 You have exterior walls, 1344 01:14:05,691 --> 01:14:08,038 you have an interior square structure, 1345 01:14:08,072 --> 01:14:09,729 you have a single entranceway, 1346 01:14:09,764 --> 01:14:12,283 which is how they were set up for defense. 1347 01:14:12,318 --> 01:14:15,977 And then you have these ramps leading up to it. 1348 01:14:16,011 --> 01:14:18,186 Now, if you were to take these ramps 1349 01:14:19,221 --> 01:14:22,190 and like fill them in, again, here's a little dome. 1350 01:14:22,224 --> 01:14:25,124 So, a little dome right here on top of the structure. 1351 01:14:25,158 --> 01:14:27,506 So, it looks basically like this 1352 01:14:27,540 --> 01:14:29,231 Like there's an exterior structure 1353 01:14:29,266 --> 01:14:32,511 and an interior structure like a Ziggurat. 1354 01:14:32,545 --> 01:14:34,098 And again, I'm gonna remind you, okay, 1355 01:14:34,133 --> 01:14:36,376 here's a dome, here's a little dome, 1356 01:14:36,411 --> 01:14:37,930 here's an interior square structure, 1357 01:14:37,964 --> 01:14:39,656 here's the interior square structure, 1358 01:14:39,690 --> 01:14:42,141 here's the exterior walls, there they are. 1359 01:14:42,175 --> 01:14:45,282 And then here's, if you took this area 1360 01:14:45,316 --> 01:14:48,216 and filled it in, it would look with dirt, 1361 01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:51,633 it would look probably just like this thing does. 1362 01:14:51,668 --> 01:14:56,293 The problem is when you go to AS11-38-5564, 1363 01:14:58,467 --> 01:15:00,262 it doesn't really look quite the same. 1364 01:15:00,297 --> 01:15:03,576 So we finally found the object near the crater Daedalus R. 1365 01:15:03,611 --> 01:15:05,405 This is the area involved. 1366 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,960 This is the original image that was found 1367 01:15:07,994 --> 01:15:10,238 by a guy named KK Samurai, by the way. 1368 01:15:10,272 --> 01:15:11,791 That was what he called himself. 1369 01:15:11,826 --> 01:15:14,483 He's the one who found that he was given this image 1370 01:15:14,518 --> 01:15:17,279 by a very interesting character. 1371 01:15:17,314 --> 01:15:21,111 So here is the Daedalus Ziggurat, on today's image. 1372 01:15:21,145 --> 01:15:22,768 It's gone, right? Where is it? 1373 01:15:22,802 --> 01:15:25,149 Well, it's actually supposed to be right here, 1374 01:15:25,184 --> 01:15:26,150 right here in the middle. 1375 01:15:26,185 --> 01:15:28,152 But there's the front ramps, there's the, 1376 01:15:28,187 --> 01:15:29,360 but it's all gone. 1377 01:15:29,395 --> 01:15:32,743 It's just blank, it's nothing but a crater. 1378 01:15:33,468 --> 01:15:36,609 And again, I did the best I could with it, 1379 01:15:36,644 --> 01:15:38,507 with what they have on NASA's surface now. 1380 01:15:38,542 --> 01:15:41,407 It doesn't look like really anything. 1381 01:15:41,441 --> 01:15:43,340 They've blurred it out. They've... [inaudible] 1382 01:15:45,307 --> 01:15:46,239 They've added shadows. 1383 01:15:46,274 --> 01:15:47,482 And again, I'm gonna tell you again, 1384 01:15:47,516 --> 01:15:50,071 I went and analyzed the interior of this crater 1385 01:15:50,105 --> 01:15:51,728 and this area here. 1386 01:15:51,762 --> 01:15:55,455 And again, it's one color, pitch black, 1387 01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:56,525 over the entire thing. 1388 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,908 That means they drew on this, they drew on this. 1389 01:15:59,943 --> 01:16:03,049 If they drew on this, they drew on other parts of it too. 1390 01:16:03,084 --> 01:16:07,226 So, again, from a distance, as you step back, 1391 01:16:07,260 --> 01:16:09,435 it kind of looks like the same thing, 1392 01:16:09,469 --> 01:16:11,817 but it actually really doesn't. 1393 01:16:11,851 --> 01:16:13,922 They're trying to convince you this is nothing, 1394 01:16:13,957 --> 01:16:15,199 but an optical illusion. 1395 01:16:16,407 --> 01:16:19,894 Now, I got into very strong conflict 1396 01:16:19,928 --> 01:16:21,550 with a couple of NASA guys over there. 1397 01:16:21,585 --> 01:16:23,518 They're like, oh, it's obviously nothing. 1398 01:16:23,552 --> 01:16:26,728 You know, you can't, yeah, you're crazy. 1399 01:16:26,763 --> 01:16:28,972 You don't know what you're looking at. 1400 01:16:29,006 --> 01:16:31,043 But clearly what's happened here is that 1401 01:16:31,077 --> 01:16:34,046 the original image from which KK Samurai 1402 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,428 drew his conclusions and his version 1403 01:16:37,463 --> 01:16:40,604 is completely different than 5564. 1404 01:16:40,639 --> 01:16:44,366 The problem is, is we didn't know at the time originally 1405 01:16:44,401 --> 01:16:48,750 where he got this interesting version. 1406 01:16:48,785 --> 01:16:51,511 Where did he get it from, and what was on it? 1407 01:16:51,546 --> 01:16:53,652 But here's the thing, this is supposed to be 1408 01:16:53,686 --> 01:16:54,998 the Ziggurat right here. 1409 01:16:55,032 --> 01:16:59,312 But as I looked at this image, I found that there was, 1410 01:16:59,347 --> 01:17:01,038 even though they had erased the Ziggurat, 1411 01:17:01,073 --> 01:17:02,626 there was a lot of other interesting stuff 1412 01:17:02,661 --> 01:17:03,696 on here they didn't erase. 1413 01:17:03,731 --> 01:17:05,422 A lot of interesting stuff. 1414 01:17:06,285 --> 01:17:07,907 These are some of the areas that are marked 1415 01:17:07,942 --> 01:17:10,013 as we go through them real quickly. 1416 01:17:10,047 --> 01:17:13,706 There's this particular, um, guy, 1417 01:17:13,741 --> 01:17:15,397 which is just a sort of a normal crater. 1418 01:17:15,432 --> 01:17:17,572 But then what is this thing up above here? 1419 01:17:17,606 --> 01:17:19,608 What is this one up here? 1420 01:17:19,643 --> 01:17:23,233 Number five, up in the corner of the image. 1421 01:17:23,267 --> 01:17:25,097 And as we zoom up on that, 1422 01:17:25,131 --> 01:17:28,376 I see stuff that with my trained eye 1423 01:17:28,410 --> 01:17:29,722 looks really, really weird. 1424 01:17:29,757 --> 01:17:31,034 This is the area where they have 1425 01:17:31,068 --> 01:17:33,622 blacked out the sky behind this. 1426 01:17:33,657 --> 01:17:34,727 Well, what is this thing? 1427 01:17:34,762 --> 01:17:38,835 Well, if you look at it, it's pretty bizarre, 1428 01:17:38,869 --> 01:17:42,873 because what you've got here is this is a hangar 1429 01:17:44,047 --> 01:17:46,670 cut into the side of this mountain. 1430 01:17:47,567 --> 01:17:50,053 It's filled in with debris in the front. 1431 01:17:50,087 --> 01:17:51,261 And that would be the other side. 1432 01:17:51,295 --> 01:17:52,987 You're looking at it at an angle 1433 01:17:53,021 --> 01:17:57,094 and then this is some sort of disc shape 1434 01:17:57,129 --> 01:17:59,476 with something else going on. 1435 01:17:59,510 --> 01:18:02,513 Like what the hell are these things? 1436 01:18:02,548 --> 01:18:07,553 See, stone, spire, stone, spire, stone, what are they? 1437 01:18:07,829 --> 01:18:09,589 But it's right there and they're all in the same area. 1438 01:18:09,624 --> 01:18:12,972 Because if you have one anomaly, no matter how clear it is, 1439 01:18:13,007 --> 01:18:15,250 if there's nothing else around it, 1440 01:18:15,285 --> 01:18:16,769 you can't really say it's something. 1441 01:18:16,804 --> 01:18:20,048 It could just be, again, a really bizarre looking artifact. 1442 01:18:20,083 --> 01:18:24,604 So let's go back and look, this is another, 1443 01:18:24,639 --> 01:18:26,814 there's like a tube that you can follow 1444 01:18:26,848 --> 01:18:29,920 that runs for miles and miles along the surface 1445 01:18:29,955 --> 01:18:33,165 and then seems to attach itself like a drill 1446 01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:36,340 underneath this overhanging ridge. 1447 01:18:36,375 --> 01:18:37,514 This thing is hanging there. 1448 01:18:37,548 --> 01:18:38,757 There's all kinds of structure. 1449 01:18:38,791 --> 01:18:39,896 It's just bizarre. 1450 01:18:41,829 --> 01:18:44,314 - People who come here to this museum 1451 01:18:44,348 --> 01:18:48,767 and look at our spacecraft, Columbia, 1452 01:18:48,801 --> 01:18:51,804 are most often struck by its small size, 1453 01:18:51,839 --> 01:18:54,738 which from their perspective is understandable. 1454 01:18:56,015 --> 01:18:58,673 From our point of view, the command module 1455 01:18:58,707 --> 01:19:03,126 was a wonderful improvement over our previous spacecraft, 1456 01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,093 which were really cramped. 1457 01:19:05,128 --> 01:19:09,235 And so, we enjoyed the luxury of a big volume machine. 1458 01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:12,135 - Yeah, I thought we had amazingly good accommodations. 1459 01:19:12,169 --> 01:19:13,653 We had hot and cold water. 1460 01:19:13,688 --> 01:19:15,621 The food was even edible. 1461 01:19:15,655 --> 01:19:20,660 All in all, it was a nicely packaged, small enclosure, 1462 01:19:22,731 --> 01:19:25,010 and we could comfortably have stayed there 1463 01:19:25,044 --> 01:19:27,426 far in excessive eight days. 1464 01:19:27,460 --> 01:19:29,773 - [Narrator] On July 24th, the three astronauts 1465 01:19:29,808 --> 01:19:32,569 achieved a perfect splash down in the waters 1466 01:19:32,603 --> 01:19:34,916 of the Pacific Ocean ending the mission. 1467 01:19:35,883 --> 01:19:39,748 [inspirational music] 1468 01:19:39,783 --> 01:19:43,304 - Well, it proved that the United States 1469 01:19:43,338 --> 01:19:46,583 could accomplish tremendous goals 1470 01:19:46,617 --> 01:19:48,757 if they worked together as a team. 1471 01:19:49,758 --> 01:19:52,382 - After the flight of Apollo 11, 1472 01:19:52,416 --> 01:19:54,867 Neil Armstrong, Buzz Alder and I 1473 01:19:54,902 --> 01:19:57,318 had an around the world tour. 1474 01:19:57,352 --> 01:20:00,562 And every place we went, I thought they'd 1475 01:20:01,701 --> 01:20:03,634 in some places have the attitude of, 1476 01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:06,120 oh, well you Americans finally did this. 1477 01:20:06,154 --> 01:20:09,882 Not at all, the attitude, every country, 1478 01:20:09,917 --> 01:20:12,920 regardless of their internal politics, 1479 01:20:12,954 --> 01:20:15,681 they all said, we did it, we humans. 1480 01:20:21,238 --> 01:20:24,414 [audience applauding] 1481 01:20:30,385 --> 01:20:34,389 [audience applauding continues] 1482 01:20:37,220 --> 01:20:38,738 - It was our pleasure to have 1483 01:20:38,773 --> 01:20:41,707 participated in one great adventure. 1484 01:20:43,709 --> 01:20:45,090 It's an adventure that took place 1485 01:20:45,124 --> 01:20:47,678 not just in the month of July, 1486 01:20:48,679 --> 01:20:51,717 but rather one that took place in the last decade. 1487 01:20:56,342 --> 01:21:00,864 We all here and the people listening in today 1488 01:21:00,899 --> 01:21:03,936 had the opportunity to share that adventure 1489 01:21:03,971 --> 01:21:06,145 over its developing and unfolding 1490 01:21:07,906 --> 01:21:09,977 in the past months and years. 1491 01:21:11,944 --> 01:21:16,052 It's our privilege today to share with you 1492 01:21:17,467 --> 01:21:22,472 some of the details of that final month of July. 1493 01:21:25,337 --> 01:21:29,824 That was certainly the highlight 1494 01:21:29,858 --> 01:21:33,621 for the three of us of that decade. 1495 01:21:35,071 --> 01:21:37,107 We're going to divert a little bit 1496 01:21:37,142 --> 01:21:41,732 from the format of past press conferences 1497 01:21:42,699 --> 01:21:47,704 and talk about the things that interested us most. 1498 01:21:48,739 --> 01:21:53,399 In particular, the things that occurred 1499 01:21:54,469 --> 01:21:56,195 on and about the Moon. 1500 01:21:56,230 --> 01:21:58,404 - [Reporter] Apollo 11 astronaut, Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, 1501 01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,234 the second man to walk on the Moon, 1502 01:22:00,268 --> 01:22:02,788 has actually given an interview where he confirmed 1503 01:22:02,822 --> 01:22:04,755 that certain segments of his Apollo mission 1504 01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:06,309 were indeed carefully scripted 1505 01:22:06,343 --> 01:22:09,484 to control exactly what the public saw and heard. 1506 01:22:09,519 --> 01:22:11,831 Back in 2003, Aldrin was interviewed 1507 01:22:11,866 --> 01:22:14,662 for Neil Armstrong's only authorized biography. 1508 01:22:14,696 --> 01:22:16,905 And during that interview, he was asked about 1509 01:22:16,940 --> 01:22:19,046 whether some of the live television transmissions 1510 01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,186 that were made from the CSM during the flight 1511 01:22:21,220 --> 01:22:23,671 really were improvised and unscripted. 1512 01:22:23,705 --> 01:22:26,398 And in response, Aldrin first admits that NASA 1513 01:22:26,432 --> 01:22:29,090 quote went to great lengths unquote 1514 01:22:29,125 --> 01:22:31,541 to make sure that they appeared unscripted. 1515 01:22:31,575 --> 01:22:33,405 And he then goes on to say the following, 1516 01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,234 and I'll quote Aldrin directly here. 1517 01:22:48,799 --> 01:22:53,770 - We will use a number of films and slides, 1518 01:22:55,634 --> 01:22:58,119 which most of you have already seen, 1519 01:22:59,879 --> 01:23:04,229 and with the intent of pointing out 1520 01:23:04,263 --> 01:23:07,404 some of the things that we observed on the spot, 1521 01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,546 which may not be obvious to those of you 1522 01:23:11,581 --> 01:23:17,587 who are looking at them here from the surface of Earth. 1523 01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:20,831 - [Narrator] This motion picture DAC footage 1524 01:23:20,866 --> 01:23:24,766 was recorded during the Apollo 11 ascent back into orbit 1525 01:23:24,801 --> 01:23:28,046 and famously presents an orb-lik 1526 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,151 flying along the lunar horizon. 1527 01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:36,054 [ominous music] 1528 01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:46,236 - What's very interesting about the Apollo 11 manned mission 1529 01:23:46,271 --> 01:23:51,276 is that this mission also would be very rife with rumors of 1530 01:23:52,139 --> 01:23:57,109 anomalous or UFO activity out there on the Moon. 1531 01:23:57,696 --> 01:24:00,181 In fact, one of the rumors that's quite prevalent 1532 01:24:00,216 --> 01:24:03,840 is that a craft was waiting. 1533 01:24:03,874 --> 01:24:07,568 A non-terrestrial craft was waiting on the lunar surface 1534 01:24:07,602 --> 01:24:09,708 for the Apollo 11 astronauts 1535 01:24:09,742 --> 01:24:12,814 when they did their first Moon walks. 1536 01:24:12,849 --> 01:24:17,198 Another rumor that actually came from Buzz Aldrin, 1537 01:24:17,233 --> 01:24:19,442 the Apollo 11 astronaut himself, 1538 01:24:19,476 --> 01:24:24,447 was that a UFO was following the Apollo spacecraft 1539 01:24:24,895 --> 01:24:29,279 on the way to the Moon in the middle of cislunar space. 1540 01:24:29,314 --> 01:24:31,971 And the astronauts had tracked it 1541 01:24:32,006 --> 01:24:34,871 while they were floating through space. 1542 01:24:34,905 --> 01:24:37,563 [ominous music] 1543 01:24:44,087 --> 01:24:48,367 [ominous music continues] 1544 01:24:55,063 --> 01:24:58,688 - Buzz Aldrin could have been one of these important figures 1545 01:24:58,722 --> 01:25:02,140 that actually proved there is UFO activity 1546 01:25:02,174 --> 01:25:04,072 happening in outer space. 1547 01:25:04,901 --> 01:25:08,042 But unfortunately, he became very contradictory 1548 01:25:08,076 --> 01:25:11,459 on his initial story in mainstream media. 1549 01:25:14,221 --> 01:25:19,226 - There was something out there that was close enough 1550 01:25:19,950 --> 01:25:23,678 to be observed and, uh, what could it be? 1551 01:25:27,889 --> 01:25:31,445 Mike decided he thought he could see it in the telescope 1552 01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,067 and he was able to do that. 1553 01:25:33,101 --> 01:25:35,656 And when it was in one position 1554 01:25:35,690 --> 01:25:37,968 that had a series of ellipses, 1555 01:25:38,003 --> 01:25:39,522 but when you made it real sharp, 1556 01:25:39,556 --> 01:25:42,939 it was sort of L-shaped that didn't tell us very much. 1557 01:25:42,973 --> 01:25:47,944 Now obviously, the three of us were not gonna blurt out, 1558 01:25:47,978 --> 01:25:51,085 Hey Houston, we got something moving alongside of us 1559 01:25:51,119 --> 01:25:52,811 and we don't know what it is. 1560 01:25:52,845 --> 01:25:54,261 Can you tell us what it is? 1561 01:25:54,295 --> 01:25:56,124 We weren't about to do that, 1562 01:25:56,987 --> 01:25:59,680 'cause we know that those transmissions 1563 01:25:59,714 --> 01:26:01,406 would be heard by all sorts of people 1564 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:04,409 and who knows what somebody would've demanded 1565 01:26:04,443 --> 01:26:07,343 that we turned back because of aliens 1566 01:26:07,377 --> 01:26:09,793 or whatever the reason is. 1567 01:26:09,828 --> 01:26:13,935 So, we didn't do that, but we did decide, 1568 01:26:13,970 --> 01:26:18,561 we just cautiously ask Houston where, 1569 01:26:18,595 --> 01:26:21,080 how far away was the S4B. 1570 01:26:21,115 --> 01:26:24,014 And a few moments later why they came back 1571 01:26:24,049 --> 01:26:27,811 and said something like, it was 6,000 miles away, 1572 01:26:27,846 --> 01:26:29,365 because of the maneuver. 1573 01:26:29,399 --> 01:26:31,608 So, we really didn't think we were 1574 01:26:31,643 --> 01:26:34,646 looking at something that far away. 1575 01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,339 So, we decided that after a while of watching it, 1576 01:26:38,374 --> 01:26:41,480 it was time to go to sleep and not to talk about it anymore 1577 01:26:41,515 --> 01:26:44,276 until we came back in debriefing. 1578 01:26:44,311 --> 01:26:47,452 I saw this illumination that was moving 1579 01:26:47,486 --> 01:26:49,902 with respect to the stars. 1580 01:26:49,937 --> 01:26:52,733 We were smart enough to not say, 1581 01:26:52,767 --> 01:26:55,736 Houston, there's a light out there that's following us. 1582 01:26:56,771 --> 01:27:01,638 So, technically becomes an unidentified flying object. 1583 01:27:01,673 --> 01:27:02,501 [Echo] Flying object. 1584 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:05,228 [indistinct] 1585 01:27:05,263 --> 01:27:07,126 - All I can think about. 1586 01:27:07,161 --> 01:27:13,132 But in any case, I was on set and I was just a gopher 1587 01:27:13,167 --> 01:27:15,618 and I turned out I got a little role, 1588 01:27:15,652 --> 01:27:18,897 but Mickey Rooney was like, "Oh, what are you doing 1589 01:27:18,931 --> 01:27:20,657 when you're not here helping us out?" 1590 01:27:20,692 --> 01:27:23,591 And I said, "I'm making a UFO film." 1591 01:27:23,626 --> 01:27:26,491 He goes, "Oh, I'm friends with Buzz Aldrin 1592 01:27:26,525 --> 01:27:28,838 and you should talk to him sometime. 1593 01:27:28,872 --> 01:27:31,358 He's got some pretty interesting stories." 1594 01:27:31,392 --> 01:27:35,396 And so, that was my initial in with Buzz Aldrin. 1595 01:27:36,086 --> 01:27:36,811 Um, 1596 01:27:37,881 --> 01:27:43,508 And then I would say probably three years later 1597 01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:49,824 I met Fay Ann Potter, Buzz Aldrin's sister. 1598 01:27:49,859 --> 01:27:51,861 So I'm talking to Fay Ann Potter and I said, 1599 01:27:51,895 --> 01:27:56,969 I found out it was her brother was Buzz Aldrin. 1600 01:27:57,004 --> 01:28:01,146 And I'm like, I worked on this movie set 1601 01:28:01,180 --> 01:28:03,355 and I found out through Mickey Rooney 1602 01:28:03,390 --> 01:28:05,599 that your brother had a sighting, some... 1603 01:28:05,633 --> 01:28:07,980 but I didn't get any specifics. 1604 01:28:08,015 --> 01:28:13,020 She said, oh yeah, he had two encounters with UFOs 1605 01:28:13,054 --> 01:28:14,746 and one was when he was piloting, 1606 01:28:14,780 --> 01:28:15,850 this is what she told me, 1607 01:28:15,885 --> 01:28:19,026 this is what Buzz Aldrin's sister told me, okay? 1608 01:28:20,372 --> 01:28:23,858 She said that he had, and I don't know what year it was, 1609 01:28:23,893 --> 01:28:26,067 but I think it was before he went to the Moon. 1610 01:28:26,102 --> 01:28:31,107 He was flying a fighter jet and he chased a disc. 1611 01:28:31,625 --> 01:28:36,354 And she said that he was so moved by the experience 1612 01:28:36,388 --> 01:28:38,942 that he called her and he was still shaking from it. 1613 01:28:38,977 --> 01:28:41,462 He said he chased it till he couldn't go any higher, 1614 01:28:41,497 --> 01:28:42,946 didn't catch it. 1615 01:28:43,844 --> 01:28:44,983 That's what she told me. 1616 01:28:45,017 --> 01:28:48,366 Then she said he also told her 1617 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,195 that they... 1618 01:28:51,507 --> 01:28:52,611 saw something, 1619 01:28:52,646 --> 01:28:55,338 or something followed them to the Moon. 1620 01:28:55,373 --> 01:28:56,857 But it was like not just a quick sighting. 1621 01:28:56,891 --> 01:28:59,031 I think it went on for like a day or two. 1622 01:28:59,066 --> 01:29:00,274 That's what she told me. 1623 01:29:01,448 --> 01:29:06,038 So, between Fay Ann Potter and Mickey Rooney 1624 01:29:07,661 --> 01:29:09,870 and his wife, Jan Rooney, 1625 01:29:10,802 --> 01:29:11,975 they said, 1626 01:29:12,010 --> 01:29:14,081 we think we can get you an interview with Buzz Aldrin. 1627 01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,775 So, they got my foot in the door, they contacted him. 1628 01:29:18,810 --> 01:29:20,708 Good kid, he's doing this documentary 1629 01:29:20,743 --> 01:29:23,746 and Buzz Aldrin agrees to meet with me. 1630 01:29:23,780 --> 01:29:25,541 - He's in Europe. 1631 01:29:25,575 --> 01:29:26,783 - That's the problem. 1632 01:29:26,818 --> 01:29:30,235 He was in France on tour for some book that he was doing. 1633 01:29:31,201 --> 01:29:34,135 Yes, I'll meet with James, but I'm on this book tour 1634 01:29:34,170 --> 01:29:36,586 and I'm gonna be in Monte Carlo on these dates. 1635 01:29:36,621 --> 01:29:38,726 If he wants to meet me in Monte Carlo 1636 01:29:38,761 --> 01:29:40,935 I'll meet with him and do an interview. 1637 01:29:41,246 --> 01:29:43,213 So of course, I'm gonna do that. 1638 01:29:43,248 --> 01:29:45,181 And I've got Buzz Aldrin, I think I've borrowed money 1639 01:29:45,215 --> 01:29:46,527 from somebody, I can't remember who. 1640 01:29:46,562 --> 01:29:51,808 And we get to his hotel and the concierge comes and says, 1641 01:29:52,222 --> 01:29:56,054 Mr. Fox? say, Yes? You have a telephone call. 1642 01:29:56,088 --> 01:29:57,607 And I, okay. 1643 01:29:57,642 --> 01:30:01,956 And he gives me the phone and it's Buzz Aldrin, 1644 01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:04,442 I can't do the interview. 1645 01:30:05,581 --> 01:30:07,928 I said, it's like, what do you mean 1646 01:30:07,962 --> 01:30:08,756 you can't do the interview? 1647 01:30:08,791 --> 01:30:09,550 I traveled all this way. 1648 01:30:09,585 --> 01:30:11,414 He said, I can't do it. 1649 01:30:11,449 --> 01:30:15,211 He said, it was Paul Allen. 1650 01:30:15,556 --> 01:30:16,281 - [Darcy Weir] Paul Allen? 1651 01:30:16,315 --> 01:30:17,972 - It was Paul Allen. 1652 01:30:18,007 --> 01:30:20,665 He said, Paul Allen just invested in SETI 1653 01:30:21,182 --> 01:30:23,978 and he was labeled a UFO quack, something like that. 1654 01:30:24,013 --> 01:30:25,601 - And he didn't wanna be labeled. 1655 01:30:25,635 --> 01:30:27,810 - And he said, I'm trying to get money from Congress 1656 01:30:27,844 --> 01:30:30,122 to develop a rocket that'll put citizens in space 1657 01:30:30,157 --> 01:30:32,918 and I will not jeopardize that initiative. 1658 01:30:32,953 --> 01:30:35,818 And how's my coming forward gonna change anything anyway. 1659 01:30:36,922 --> 01:30:40,339 And I responded how I felt and I said, 1660 01:30:40,374 --> 01:30:42,341 well, with all due respect, sir, 1661 01:30:42,376 --> 01:30:43,791 it takes people of your stature 1662 01:30:43,826 --> 01:30:46,553 to elevate this whole, you know, phenomenon 1663 01:30:46,587 --> 01:30:48,175 out of the rut that it's in. 1664 01:30:48,209 --> 01:30:50,729 And your contribution, your testimony, 1665 01:30:50,764 --> 01:30:52,559 would be of the utmost significance. 1666 01:30:52,869 --> 01:30:55,562 You know? He said, well, I'm not doing it. 1667 01:30:55,596 --> 01:30:58,219 And he was almost kind of angry or something 1668 01:30:58,254 --> 01:31:00,463 like, well, I did something wrong, you know? 1669 01:31:00,636 --> 01:31:01,429 And, um, 1670 01:31:02,534 --> 01:31:03,777 But he said, how's my story gonna change anything? 1671 01:31:03,811 --> 01:31:05,054 He didn't deny it at all. 1672 01:31:05,088 --> 01:31:06,952 And he was gonna go on camera and tell me about it. 1673 01:31:08,678 --> 01:31:11,543 - 12 men have ever walked on the Moon. 1674 01:31:11,578 --> 01:31:14,581 And the man who did it the second time 1675 01:31:14,615 --> 01:31:16,341 anyone walked on the Moon was Buzz Aldrin. 1676 01:31:16,375 --> 01:31:18,792 He was part of the first mission that got there, 1677 01:31:18,826 --> 01:31:20,690 The national astronaut on Apollo 11. 1678 01:31:20,725 --> 01:31:22,968 He's here with a model of Apollo 11. 1679 01:31:23,003 --> 01:31:25,971 He was with the first pair with Neil Armstrong, of course. 1680 01:31:26,006 --> 01:31:27,594 And Buzz, the panel remains so that 1681 01:31:27,628 --> 01:31:29,181 they might wanna pop something at him. 1682 01:31:29,216 --> 01:31:31,874 But Buzz, what's your connection with this program? 1683 01:31:31,908 --> 01:31:32,909 What did you see? 1684 01:31:33,841 --> 01:31:34,911 - What did I see? 1685 01:31:36,499 --> 01:31:41,504 Well, the first day out, maybe six hours after launch, 1686 01:31:43,989 --> 01:31:46,060 we were scheduled to make a mid-course correction. 1687 01:31:46,095 --> 01:31:48,891 I'd like to show you a few things in this rocket 1688 01:31:48,925 --> 01:31:51,583 just to point out the condition that we were in. 1689 01:31:51,618 --> 01:31:56,726 We separate the command and service module 1690 01:31:56,761 --> 01:31:59,108 and it turns around like this 1691 01:31:59,142 --> 01:32:01,006 and it docks with the lunar module. 1692 01:32:01,041 --> 01:32:04,562 Now, notice these three and four panels, 1693 01:32:05,632 --> 01:32:08,704 whenever the command module separates and turns around, 1694 01:32:08,738 --> 01:32:12,604 those panels go off in four different directions. 1695 01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:14,606 And we can look out these windows 1696 01:32:14,641 --> 01:32:17,367 and see the Earth drift by and see the Moon drift by. 1697 01:32:17,402 --> 01:32:18,196 - [Larry King] And what did you see? 1698 01:32:18,230 --> 01:32:19,853 - And I saw a light out there. 1699 01:32:19,887 --> 01:32:22,614 Okay, this is after we had witnessed 1700 01:32:22,649 --> 01:32:25,686 the upper stage rocket next to us 1701 01:32:25,721 --> 01:32:29,138 make an evasive maneuver to miss the Moon. 1702 01:32:29,172 --> 01:32:30,933 And we thought, wonder what that is? 1703 01:32:30,967 --> 01:32:32,417 You know, there are a lot of lights out there 1704 01:32:32,451 --> 01:32:34,626 when you're not looking in the direction of the Sun. 1705 01:32:34,661 --> 01:32:37,491 There are a lot of stars and they're all fixed 1706 01:32:37,525 --> 01:32:38,630 relative to each other. 1707 01:32:38,665 --> 01:32:41,529 Now, one of 'em starts moving or it's moving 1708 01:32:41,564 --> 01:32:44,912 and we know that that's another object, it's not a star. 1709 01:32:44,947 --> 01:32:47,225 We started thinking a little bit more 1710 01:32:47,259 --> 01:32:50,504 about these four panels and I'd seen a graph 1711 01:32:50,538 --> 01:32:52,955 where it showed the separation distance 1712 01:32:52,989 --> 01:32:55,509 that was calculated before liftoff, 1713 01:32:55,543 --> 01:32:57,166 before the whole mission went 1714 01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,996 of where these panels would be 1715 01:33:01,204 --> 01:33:03,448 in case the spacecraft made some maneuver 1716 01:33:03,482 --> 01:33:05,553 and they guaranteed there'd be no. 1717 01:33:05,588 --> 01:33:07,555 - Hold it right there, you got me hooked. 1718 01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:08,798 - Fast forward... 1719 01:33:09,074 --> 01:33:10,282 - many years later, - Oh yeah, oh yeah, 1720 01:33:10,317 --> 01:33:12,388 - Oh my God. - you were on CNN. 1721 01:33:12,422 --> 01:33:13,631 - So I had no idea. 1722 01:33:14,459 --> 01:33:17,186 I get- I had broken a story with Fife Symington 1723 01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:20,396 who was the former Governor of Arizona, okay? 1724 01:33:20,672 --> 01:33:21,984 - And- - The Phoenix Lights. 1725 01:33:22,018 --> 01:33:24,745 - The Phoenix Lights case that he had not only 1726 01:33:24,780 --> 01:33:27,575 that he'd seen it, he did actually investigate it 1727 01:33:27,610 --> 01:33:29,370 and that he felt it was otherworld. 1728 01:33:29,405 --> 01:33:30,578 It was a big story. 1729 01:33:30,613 --> 01:33:35,618 And I was all over the news and we got invited on CNN. 1730 01:33:37,137 --> 01:33:39,657 I think it was the 60th anniversary of Roswell, 1731 01:33:39,691 --> 01:33:40,623 but I'm not positive. 1732 01:33:40,658 --> 01:33:41,451 - Larry King Live. 1733 01:33:41,486 --> 01:33:42,729 - Yeah, Larry King Live. 1734 01:33:42,763 --> 01:33:45,455 And I see Buzz Aldrin in the green room, 1735 01:33:45,490 --> 01:33:47,354 and I walked outta the green room 1736 01:33:47,388 --> 01:33:48,907 and I turned over to Fife Symington, 1737 01:33:48,942 --> 01:33:49,977 the former Governor of Arizona. 1738 01:33:50,012 --> 01:33:52,739 And I said, man, I can't wait to go. 1739 01:33:52,773 --> 01:33:54,464 This is the first time I've seen him 1740 01:33:54,499 --> 01:33:56,915 since he canceled this interview with me 10 years earlier, 1741 01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:57,985 or whatever it was. 1742 01:33:59,228 --> 01:34:01,955 And really no explanation given I borrowed all this money 1743 01:34:01,989 --> 01:34:04,371 and I know he's had these, 1744 01:34:04,405 --> 01:34:06,960 they're gonna get him out here just debunking everything. 1745 01:34:06,994 --> 01:34:09,031 And Fife says, you know, James, 1746 01:34:09,272 --> 01:34:12,275 that guy's an iconic figure in the United States history. 1747 01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:15,002 I mean, he landed on the Moon with Neil Armstrong. 1748 01:34:15,037 --> 01:34:16,901 You really can't be doing that 1749 01:34:16,935 --> 01:34:20,525 to him on a national live TV show. 1750 01:34:20,559 --> 01:34:22,561 - He might even punch you. 1751 01:34:22,596 --> 01:34:25,737 - But he is a big, he is a very famous, respected, 1752 01:34:25,772 --> 01:34:26,911 - He's a hero. - He's a hero. 1753 01:34:26,945 --> 01:34:28,567 - And so I toned it down 1754 01:34:28,602 --> 01:34:30,121 and then I just watched him, 1755 01:34:31,225 --> 01:34:33,883 basically lie on live television 1756 01:34:34,988 --> 01:34:36,644 - What did I see during the flight? 1757 01:34:36,679 --> 01:34:37,576 - [Larry King] Yeah, you saw- - We saw 1758 01:34:37,611 --> 01:34:41,097 - one of the four panels, the 99.999. 1759 01:34:41,132 --> 01:34:44,135 - Okay, I was told by a very close source of yours 1760 01:34:44,169 --> 01:34:48,449 that you actually saw something other than that. 1761 01:34:49,071 --> 01:34:51,625 - A lot of people have said things that I saw. 1762 01:34:51,659 --> 01:34:53,351 - I don't want to reveal the source. 1763 01:34:53,385 --> 01:34:54,662 - That doesn't mean that I saw. 1764 01:34:54,697 --> 01:34:57,735 [panelists speaking simultaneously] 1765 01:35:00,738 --> 01:35:03,395 [ominous music] 1766 01:35:05,225 --> 01:35:07,054 - In your years of flying, 1767 01:35:07,089 --> 01:35:07,848 - Oh. - As you said, 1768 01:35:07,883 --> 01:35:08,815 you've seen strange things. 1769 01:35:08,849 --> 01:35:12,163 - Well, yeah, I was flying a T33, I guess 1770 01:35:12,197 --> 01:35:15,028 and I looked out and saw a star out there, 1771 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:17,755 but it wasn't a star, it was Venus. 1772 01:35:17,789 --> 01:35:19,584 But it kept following me all along. 1773 01:35:19,618 --> 01:35:23,657 And you would swear that it's another object out there 1774 01:35:23,691 --> 01:35:24,692 and you can turn. 1775 01:35:24,727 --> 01:35:27,834 And I wanna congratulate you on your magic show 1776 01:35:27,868 --> 01:35:29,732 last night with all the illusions, 1777 01:35:29,767 --> 01:35:33,494 because now we're getting a lot more illusions tonight. 1778 01:35:33,529 --> 01:35:36,049 And can you explain everything that happened 1779 01:35:36,083 --> 01:35:38,741 with Chris Angel last night? - I cannot explain anything. 1780 01:35:38,776 --> 01:35:39,777 - No, you can't. 1781 01:35:39,811 --> 01:35:40,916 - Doesn't make it. 1782 01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:42,020 - [Buzz Aldrin] That's right. 1783 01:35:42,055 --> 01:35:42,918 - Here's what I'm gonna do, folk 1784 01:35:44,126 --> 01:35:44,920 I'm gonna take a break, come back and get the thought. 1785 01:35:44,954 --> 01:35:46,162 - One of my biggest regrets was 1786 01:35:46,197 --> 01:35:48,337 I didn't get Fay Ann Potter on camera to, 1787 01:35:48,371 --> 01:35:50,788 I never thought she would just die so quickly. 1788 01:35:50,822 --> 01:35:52,755 I didn't even know she was sick, you know? 1789 01:35:52,997 --> 01:35:55,413 But Fay Ann Potter told me 1790 01:35:55,447 --> 01:35:58,312 that he had a very dramatic encounter with a flying saucer 1791 01:35:58,347 --> 01:35:59,658 while he chased the disc, 1792 01:35:59,693 --> 01:36:01,626 'cause it is what she said. 1793 01:36:01,660 --> 01:36:03,317 While piloting in a fighter jet. 1794 01:36:03,352 --> 01:36:07,425 And that they were followed by something 1795 01:36:07,459 --> 01:36:09,876 that they were not able to explain to the Moon. 1796 01:36:09,910 --> 01:36:11,843 She did not say he had a sighting on the Moon. 1797 01:36:11,878 --> 01:36:12,879 She didn't tell me that. 1798 01:36:12,913 --> 01:36:14,190 She said on the way to the Moon. 1799 01:36:14,225 --> 01:36:15,053 - Right. 1800 01:36:15,088 --> 01:36:16,089 - Now, what happened on the Moon? 1801 01:36:16,123 --> 01:36:18,022 I have no idea, but that's what she told me. 1802 01:36:18,056 --> 01:36:20,679 - Apollo 11 was purely symbolic. 1803 01:36:20,714 --> 01:36:23,993 It was land on the Moon in the middle of nowhere, 1804 01:36:24,028 --> 01:36:26,478 avoid all this stuff that we're concerned about, 1805 01:36:26,513 --> 01:36:28,584 because there's a whole theory. 1806 01:36:33,244 --> 01:36:34,866 That we can land on the Moon, 1807 01:36:34,901 --> 01:36:36,695 and it was out in the middle of nowhere 1808 01:36:36,730 --> 01:36:37,938 and it was where the stars 1809 01:36:37,973 --> 01:36:40,320 were aligned properly in the Sea of Tranquility 1810 01:36:40,354 --> 01:36:42,874 for Buzz Aldrin to perform his ceremony, 1811 01:36:42,909 --> 01:36:45,704 which consecrated the Moon itself as a Masonic temple, 1812 01:36:45,739 --> 01:36:48,121 and Apollo 11 tranquility base as a Masonic temple. 1813 01:36:48,155 --> 01:36:49,260 That was the purpose. 1814 01:36:49,294 --> 01:36:52,021 All the other missions were salvage missions. 1815 01:36:52,056 --> 01:36:56,094 Let's go land where we think interesting stuff is, 1816 01:36:56,129 --> 01:36:57,958 ancient alien technology, 1817 01:36:57,993 --> 01:37:00,858 call it an anarchy technology if you want to. 1818 01:37:00,892 --> 01:37:02,998 Left behind and bring it back 1819 01:37:03,032 --> 01:37:06,725 and do a Terminator to reverse engineering type thing. 1820 01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:08,037 And I mean, it's pretty clear 1821 01:37:08,072 --> 01:37:10,246 as you look at the photographic record. 1822 01:37:10,281 --> 01:37:11,213 Oh, did they see that? 1823 01:37:11,247 --> 01:37:12,145 Yeah, I'm sure they saw that. 1824 01:37:12,179 --> 01:37:12,973 Did they see this? 1825 01:37:13,008 --> 01:37:13,940 Yeah, I'm sure they saw that. 1826 01:37:13,974 --> 01:37:16,045 I'm sure they realized that's not a rock, 1827 01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:19,186 because they were very well trained in all this stuff. 1828 01:37:19,221 --> 01:37:21,809 [upbeat music] 1829 01:37:24,433 --> 01:37:25,399 - Welcome to Tucker Carlson. 1830 01:37:25,434 --> 01:37:27,436 Today, the crazy thing about the topic of UFOs 1831 01:37:27,470 --> 01:37:30,818 is how when you get into it, how really non-crazy, 1832 01:37:30,853 --> 01:37:32,510 a lot of the people who know a lot 1833 01:37:32,544 --> 01:37:35,099 about the topic turn out to be. 1834 01:37:35,133 --> 01:37:37,756 They're kind of the opposite of what you imagine. 1835 01:37:37,791 --> 01:37:39,517 They're not for conspiracy nuts. 1836 01:37:39,551 --> 01:37:42,485 A lot of them are just scientists. 1837 01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:44,625 Garry Nolan is definitely at the top of that list. 1838 01:37:44,660 --> 01:37:47,007 He's a Harvard, he's a Stanford rather, professor, 1839 01:37:47,042 --> 01:37:49,389 Stanford PhD, an immunologist. 1840 01:37:49,423 --> 01:37:53,220 And he has over the last decade or two, 1841 01:37:53,255 --> 01:37:56,706 spent a lot of time studying the harmful effects 1842 01:37:56,741 --> 01:38:00,952 that apparent encounters with UFOs have on the human brain. 1843 01:38:00,987 --> 01:38:04,507 - So my main job, my day job at Stanford 1844 01:38:04,542 --> 01:38:08,132 for the last 30 years has been 1845 01:38:08,166 --> 01:38:10,824 the development of technologies to look at cancer. 1846 01:38:10,858 --> 01:38:15,863 It was circa 2011 or so when some people from the CIA 1847 01:38:18,107 --> 01:38:20,661 and an aerospace company came to me 1848 01:38:20,696 --> 01:38:24,942 to ask me for their help on the analysis 1849 01:38:24,976 --> 01:38:27,875 of some individuals who had been, 1850 01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:31,224 had encountered some anomalous objects they said. 1851 01:38:31,258 --> 01:38:35,504 And I mean they came to my office unannounced 1852 01:38:35,538 --> 01:38:37,368 and then started laying out pictures 1853 01:38:37,402 --> 01:38:40,578 and data on the table in front of me. 1854 01:38:40,612 --> 01:38:43,374 Then that's a huge operation in the government 1855 01:38:43,408 --> 01:38:44,340 to deal with those. 1856 01:38:44,375 --> 01:38:46,101 In fact, the Senate Intelligence Committee 1857 01:38:46,135 --> 01:38:48,137 just came out with a report this morning 1858 01:38:48,172 --> 01:38:49,863 that has language specifically in it 1859 01:38:49,897 --> 01:38:52,555 to look at the Havana Syndrome cases 1860 01:38:52,590 --> 01:38:53,867 and to understand it. 1861 01:38:54,833 --> 01:38:56,766 Also has interesting, I don't know if you saw it, 1862 01:38:56,801 --> 01:38:59,010 it also has language about UAPs. 1863 01:38:59,045 --> 01:39:03,083 And basically, admonishing the defense department saying, 1864 01:39:03,118 --> 01:39:05,085 you guys have been dragging your feet. 1865 01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:08,537 No, no more, whistleblower language. 1866 01:39:08,571 --> 01:39:10,435 They actually, there was also a situation 1867 01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:13,887 where they wanna go all the way back to 1947, 1868 01:39:13,921 --> 01:39:15,751 collect, they want the, 1869 01:39:15,785 --> 01:39:18,064 all the Defense Department and the CIA, et cetera 1870 01:39:18,098 --> 01:39:20,273 to collect all the information 1871 01:39:20,307 --> 01:39:23,690 around events that have occurred. 1872 01:39:23,724 --> 01:39:25,381 They want all of, interestingly, 1873 01:39:25,416 --> 01:39:28,419 the NDAs, the non-disclosure agreements, 1874 01:39:28,453 --> 01:39:29,661 they want those all listed, 1875 01:39:29,696 --> 01:39:32,526 because the NDAs are associated to people. 1876 01:39:32,561 --> 01:39:33,631 And that means they can start 1877 01:39:33,665 --> 01:39:35,840 to name the people who have been involved. 1878 01:39:35,874 --> 01:39:38,877 They want all of the information on the disinformation 1879 01:39:38,912 --> 01:39:41,501 and the obfuscation that's been going on. 1880 01:39:41,535 --> 01:39:43,261 And they want information about 1881 01:39:43,296 --> 01:39:45,919 the medical harms that have occurred. 1882 01:39:45,953 --> 01:39:48,439 - If we look at this Tucker Carlson interview 1883 01:39:48,473 --> 01:39:52,098 that happened with the Stanford University professor, 1884 01:39:52,132 --> 01:39:56,516 it gives one hope about the disclosure and this movement 1885 01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:59,105 in which we might get in the mainstream media. 1886 01:39:59,139 --> 01:40:02,694 The fact that we're not alone sometime in the future. 1887 01:40:02,729 --> 01:40:06,215 These congressional hearings in which experiencers 1888 01:40:06,250 --> 01:40:10,081 are going to testify before Congress. 1889 01:40:10,116 --> 01:40:14,637 Experiencers being people that were witness to UFOs 1890 01:40:14,672 --> 01:40:17,157 and actually were physically affected 1891 01:40:17,192 --> 01:40:19,780 by their proximity to these UFOs. 1892 01:40:20,643 --> 01:40:23,405 Now, these experiencers are important, 1893 01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:25,338 but it pains me to think that 1894 01:40:26,718 --> 01:40:30,343 important whistleblowers like Karl Wolfe 1895 01:40:31,896 --> 01:40:35,520 are no longer around to also take part 1896 01:40:35,555 --> 01:40:37,936 in these congressional hearings. 1897 01:40:37,971 --> 01:40:41,147 Karl Wolfe passed away in 2018. 1898 01:40:42,458 --> 01:40:45,289 Just like John Mack was hit by a car, 1899 01:40:46,186 --> 01:40:48,464 and this tragically ended his life. 1900 01:40:49,327 --> 01:40:53,435 In 2018, Karl Wolfe was also hit by a car 1901 01:40:53,469 --> 01:40:55,713 when he was on his bike. 1902 01:40:55,747 --> 01:40:59,958 And this is a very unfortunate loss. 1903 01:40:59,993 --> 01:41:02,202 His family mourns his loss, 1904 01:41:02,237 --> 01:41:05,999 as does the UFO research community. 1905 01:41:06,033 --> 01:41:09,313 - Well, let's say we know all of these implications, 1906 01:41:09,347 --> 01:41:14,076 and let's say it's 1960 1907 01:41:14,111 --> 01:41:18,149 and we know some of these things, right? 1908 01:41:18,184 --> 01:41:19,978 Well, you think of the world back then. 1909 01:41:20,013 --> 01:41:21,670 The world of 1960, 1910 01:41:21,704 --> 01:41:25,674 no way would that world be ready 1911 01:41:25,708 --> 01:41:28,815 for some of the intellectual realities 1912 01:41:28,849 --> 01:41:30,644 of what we think we know now. 1913 01:41:30,679 --> 01:41:32,681 Because actually our knowledge of this subject 1914 01:41:32,715 --> 01:41:37,686 has gone way deeper in our era than it ever was in the past. 1915 01:41:38,342 --> 01:41:40,413 In the past, they're thinking like 1916 01:41:40,447 --> 01:41:42,035 the day the Earth stood still, 1917 01:41:42,069 --> 01:41:45,763 you know, men, maybe some women in space suits 1918 01:41:45,797 --> 01:41:49,387 from another world in their metal spaceships 1919 01:41:49,422 --> 01:41:50,940 have just arrived. 1920 01:41:50,975 --> 01:41:53,011 And you know, that whole thing. 1921 01:41:53,046 --> 01:41:55,221 And that's how people were talking back in the fifties. 1922 01:41:55,255 --> 01:41:56,498 That's what they thought. 1923 01:41:56,532 --> 01:41:58,224 Or at least some of them were thinking along these lines. 1924 01:41:58,258 --> 01:42:03,229 And that's clearly not like we're well past that, 1925 01:42:03,953 --> 01:42:05,403 whatever the reality of this is, 1926 01:42:05,438 --> 01:42:09,614 this phenomenon signifies a reality that is mind bending. 1927 01:42:10,857 --> 01:42:12,479 That we're gonna have to make some adjustments. 1928 01:42:12,514 --> 01:42:17,208 So let's say back in 1960, we've got some inkling of this. 1929 01:42:17,243 --> 01:42:19,003 And we have to ask ourselves, 1930 01:42:19,037 --> 01:42:21,902 what the hell do we do with this information? 1931 01:42:21,937 --> 01:42:26,942 And how could we ever get the public up to speed on this? 1932 01:42:28,185 --> 01:42:30,428 And if we were to really think seriously about that, 1933 01:42:30,463 --> 01:42:35,157 we would realize this will take generations. 1934 01:42:35,192 --> 01:42:36,572 This cannot happen right away. 1935 01:42:36,607 --> 01:42:38,056 There's no way. 1936 01:42:38,091 --> 01:42:39,265 No way. 1937 01:42:39,299 --> 01:42:42,233 - I don't think it's gonna come as a surprise to folks 1938 01:42:42,268 --> 01:42:44,925 that have been following us on this journey 1939 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:49,827 that Apollo 12 has many of the examples of anomalies, 1940 01:42:49,861 --> 01:42:53,348 structures on the Moon and UFOs 1941 01:42:53,382 --> 01:42:56,523 that we will also see in later Moon missions. 1942 01:42:57,628 --> 01:43:00,286 [ominous music] 1943 01:43:12,194 --> 01:43:14,955 [dramatic music] 1944 01:43:21,203 --> 01:43:24,758 [dramatic music continues] 1945 01:43:31,386 --> 01:43:34,975 [dramatic music continues] 1946 01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:45,020 [dramatic music continues] 1947 01:43:51,509 --> 01:43:55,133 [dramatic music continues] 1948 01:44:01,657 --> 01:44:05,247 [dramatic music continues] 1949 01:44:11,564 --> 01:44:15,188 [dramatic music continues] 1950 01:44:21,574 --> 01:44:25,198 [dramatic music continues] 1951 01:44:31,377 --> 01:44:34,966 [dramatic music continues]