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And that's where I saw
the plane debris, around there.
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If it's from a crash,
there are people who died.
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So we immediately thought of the families.
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That's when we got on the radio
and called the police.
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Breaking news on the search
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for Malaysia Airlines flight 370...
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A piece of plane debris
has washed up
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on the French Indian Ocean island
of La Réunion.
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{\an8} But investigators believe
the debris in the images
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{\an8}is consistent with a Boeing 777,
the same as the missing Malaysia jet.
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{\an8}- This seems real.
- If it's a 777 part, it's MH370.
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{\an8} There's no doubt.
There's nothing missing.
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{\an8}No doubt. Also, it has indications
it's been in the water for a long time.
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{\an8}It's a terrible day for the families.
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I personally lived in 100% complete denial
about the plane having ended its flight
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in some sort of crash.
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So everything was spiraling out of control
for my-- for me, again, in my life.
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For me, the debris was the point
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at which I started thinking,
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"Fine, they're not coming back."
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We faced something that forced us
to accept that they were here.
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It's accepting
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that they won't come back. That's it.
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I personally don't believe
MH370 crashed in the south Indian Ocean.
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So, the first time I saw that in the news,
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my honest feeling,
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"Who planted it there?"
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"Who brought the piece there?"
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We don't have the answers.
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This is one of the great mysteries
in aviation history.
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It is with a very heavy heart
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that I must tell you
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that an international team of experts
have conclusively confirmed
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that the aircraft debris
found on Réunion Island
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is indeed from MH370.
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It's a huge break in the
biggest aviation mystery in decades.
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It was huge news
among the people in the Independent Group.
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{\an8}It was the first hard evidence that
the plane went down in the Indian Ocean.
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The area
where they think the plane came down.
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All of those white dots simulate possible
pieces of debris coming off MH370.
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It was gratifying to learn that
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it reinforced the theories
that we had been advocating.
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Up to that point,
the only information available
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that the plane ended up
in the southern Indian Ocean
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was really the Inmarsat data.
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Now, the debris washing up
was confirming that.
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{\an8}It was the first time that there was
an independent bit of evidence
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{\an8}that the flight had ended up
where we roughly said it had ended up.
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When debris was found,
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it put the lights out
on the spoof scenario,
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{\an8}which was my theory that the Inmarsat data
had been maliciously altered
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to make it look like the plane went
one way when it actually went the other.
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The plane clearly had not gone north,
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because here's a piece
of the actual, physical plane.
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But...
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{\an8}as I thought about it,
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{\an8}I thought to myself, "Okay."
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"I need to convince myself 100%
that this came from MH370."
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My love of adventure and travel
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and solving mysteries
came from when I was very young.
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{\an8}I've always wanted to go
to every country in the world
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{\an8}and learn about it
and any unsolved mystery anywhere,
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I wanted to be
the one to solve it and know about it.
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I'd been involved in a Facebook group
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discussing Malaysia 370
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and I wanted to know
what I could possibly do to help.
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So after the flaperon was found,
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I knew that more debris was out there.
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I talked to oceanographers.
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I said, "Well, I want to go
find more debris."
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"Where should I go?"
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And they said,
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"There will be debris in the Mozambique
Channel on the coast of Mozambique."
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"Go there, and you'll get lucky."
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And that's what I did.
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So I went to Vilanculos,
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a town on the Mozambique Channel.
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And I asked people around Vilanculos
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if they'd seen any aircraft debris.
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Now, I met a guy who said,
"Ah, there's a sandbank."
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"And that's where all the fishermen go
to get their nets, buoys, floats."
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So I went with him.
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And we were walking along,
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maybe about 20 or so odd minutes
into the search,
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and suddenly,
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I'm like, "Whoa, what's that?"
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So I walk over
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and it's this gray triangle
and it has "no step" written on it.
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And I held it in my hands.
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And I'll tell you,
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that was the moment that I knew
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in my heart and in my mind,
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that I had a piece of Malaysia 370.
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{\an8}There are new developments tonight
involving that piece of debris,
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{\an8}discovered off Eastern Africa,
possibly belonging
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{\an8}to the missing
Malaysia Airlines flight 370.
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{\an8}Malaysian authorities reiterated today
that photographic evidence suggests
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{\an8}it likely came from a Boeing 777.
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{\an8}And we're hearing more
from the American who found it.
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This is definitely
from an airplane.
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This could be from a Boeing.
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This could be from a 777.
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This could possibly be
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from Malaysia 370.
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From the pictures shown,
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there is a high probability of, uh...
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the plane debris is from a Boeing 777.
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I'd been told to go to Mozambique
to look for debris.
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I did and I found it.
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I was also told by oceanographers
that the best place was Madagascar.
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So I went there
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to find more debris.
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Blaine Gibson has found
at least 20 pieces of wreckage.
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Seven pieces are classified
as almost certainly from MH370.
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Another ten are likely
or highly likely to be off the plane.
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This is by far the most significant piece
that has been found.
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Blaine Alan Gibson
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had displayed an uncanny knack
for finding pieces of debris.
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Something no one else
had been able to do deliberately.
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He's the only person who can go out,
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walk along a beach
and pull up a piece of debris.
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This piece of debris,
which we believe is from Malaysia 370...
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Oh. Yeah, look.
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Oh, my God.
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And he is now responsible
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for most of the pieces of debris
of MH370 that have been recovered.
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The majority of physical evidence
about MH370
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comes through the hands of one guy.
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{\an8} He's a modern-day
Indiana Jones
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{\an8}who spent over two years
scouring the world on a mission
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{\an8}to find answers about the Malaysian plane.
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For Blaine, it seemed easy.
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And the question that I had to ask was,
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"How is this possible?"
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If I had been right
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that MH370 was a Russian plot
that involved making it look,
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falsely,
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like the plane had gone
into the southern Indian Ocean
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then the implication was
that the debris was part of that same plot
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and was planted
by someone working for the Russians.
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And it wouldn't be the first time
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that Russians had planted
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false aircraft debris
to mislead investigators.
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Korean Airlines flight number 007
with 269 people aboard,
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was on a flight from New York to Seoul
via Alaska and Tokyo.
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The state department says
the plane was shot down
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near the Soviet Sakhalin Island.
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Back in 1983,
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the Soviets had shot down
a Korean airliner over Japanese waters.
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Japanese radio monitoring
shows the Soviet jets
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were controlled from the ground.
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It's now a race against time
for the retrieval of the black box.
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As American and Japanese officials
were looking for the wreckage,
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the Soviets planted false acoustic pingers
on the seabed to mislead their efforts.
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Is it possible
that this could be something like that?
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I wondered if it would be possible
to find any evidence
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linking Blaine to Russia.
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{\an8}It turned out to be incredibly easy
to find links between Russia and Blaine.
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And I was able to pull
registration records
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that showed he had set up this company
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with two business partners
from central Russia
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back in the early '90s.
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He had been present
when the Soviet Union had collapsed.
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He could speak Russian fluently.
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So he had, at this point,
decades of links to Russia.
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I very much doubt
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that Jeff Wise would go on Netflix
and accuse me of being a Russian spy.
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He has absolutely no basis for that
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and he knows
that it would be very serious defamation.
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The first time I heard about Blaine
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was when he found his first debris.
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It's a very funny story.
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He gets on a boat, lands on a beach
thinking, "Maybe there's debris there."
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He spends two hours on that beach,
finds debris,
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and conveniently,
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all the English-speaking media
are there too.
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Weird, huh?
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What a coincidence!
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Middle of nowhere.
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On a deserted beach.
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That's Blaine for you.
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I've been accused of
absolutely horrible things that are just--
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They're so ridiculous, they are laughable.
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I've been accused
of being an American spy,
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a Russian spy,
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a Chinese spy,
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an international organ trafficker,
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an international sex trafficker.
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I mean, you name it.
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It is just patently ridiculous.
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I really didn't have any proof
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that he was connected
to Russia's military intelligence,
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or planted debris.
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But I wasn't the only person
to be suspicious about Blaine.
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Blaine Gibson
became the king of debris
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on the east coast of Africa.
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{\an8}But I give zero credential or credibility
to what he finds. That's for sure.
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When you look at
the Australian report on this debris,
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they say that these pieces
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are highly likely to be part of MH370.
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"Highly likely" essentially means
that they have not been able
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to prove that it is part of MH370.
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So they can only guess that it's possible
because it looks like a piece of a plane.
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But despite that,
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the authorities had confirmed
that the flaperon was part of MH370.
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This was the first piece of debris found
on the beach of Réunion Island.
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And so, I was very eager
to look at it in detail.
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I started digging much deeper.
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And the first thing which I heard
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from an inside source
within the investigation,
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was that it was missing its ID plate.
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A metallic part
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which is either riveted or glued
with a very specific mastic,
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and which is obviously
expected to sustain all kinds of pressure,
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atmospheric, humidity, heat, cold.
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I discovered
that there is only one instance
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where you do take off
the ID plate from a plane part,
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and this is when a plane is dismantled.
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The fact that it was missing
was an enormous red flag
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that should have
immediately made you think,
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"Well, this must come
from a dismantled plane."
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Once the investigators realized
that they don't have this ID plate,
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they said, "Never mind,
we will find other reference numbers
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that eventually will help us identify
where this debris comes from."
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They say that several serial numbers
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found on the flaperon
were sent to the manufacturer
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to try and find records
in the archives of the plant.
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I actually knew from an inside source
within the investigation
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that they had sent 12 numbers,
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{\an8}and that out of these 12,
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{\an8}there was only one
serial number which was matching.
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Only one?
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When I heard that I was like, "What?"
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This is not good enough
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to establish beyond doubt
that this flaperon is part of MH370.
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But despite that,
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the flaperon is confirmed, uh,
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as part of MH370.
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An international team of experts
have conclusively confirmed
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that the aircraft debris
is indeed from MH370.
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The connection
between the debris and the plane...
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If you look at what we've been told,
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it's pretty thin. "It's the same type
of paint as the plane."
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Or when they tell us,
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"It was the only crash in the area,
so it must be the plane."
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Uh...
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The proof of a connection
between the debris
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and the plane wasn't convincing.
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We marked 1,000 days
since MH370 disappeared
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and decided that we would make a trip
to Madagascar with Blaine.
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{\an8}The fact that Blaine was finding debris
there was some form of inspiration.
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There are a lot of people
who don't like Blaine.
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But personally,
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he's always been very respectful
of the next of kin and what we need.
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I think it's completely unfair
how Blaine's been treated.
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I believe his intentions are good.
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And I'm quite happy if he wants to go
and keep searching for as long as he can.
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So, God bless Blaine.
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When we the
families went to Madagascar ourselves
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to search for the debris,
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I had mixed feelings.
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A kind of sorrow,
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anger...
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{\an8}A kind of...
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{\an8}fear.
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And the feeling...
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of missing...
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my mother.
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Jiang Hui.
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Mm.
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- The same place.
- Same place.
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MH370 cove.
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It's the same.
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When I had the debris in my hand,
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I thought,
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"This was probably the thing
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that was closest to my mother
in her last moments."
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This is an interesting piece.
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Yeah.
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Over the past two years,
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everything's been thrown at the search
in the plane's most likely resting place,
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according to satellite imaging
from the British company Inmarsat.
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120,000 square kilometer area
in the southern Indian Ocean.
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But nothing has been found there yet.
285
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The search stretched on
for a very long time.
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We'd been searching for over two years.
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But the longer we searched,
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the more certain we became
that we would find it.
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I met next of kin.
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{\an8}I absolutely empathized
with what they were going through.
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{\an8}And, you know,
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{\an8}I tried to reassure them that
we were doing everything we possibly could
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to find the aircraft
and... and bring their loved ones home.
294
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So, we just needed to persevere.
295
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We needed to continue.
296
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Maybe they genuinely
wanted to keep going, sure.
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But...
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No, there was no chance
they'd ever find the plane.
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No chance.
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The plane’s not there.
301
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By this time,
the mystery is still unresolved.
302
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We don't know
what happened to the plane.
303
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It still could be the pilot.
304
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It still could be hijackers.
305
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What happens next is
probably the biggest gobstopper of all.
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There is this explosive new report
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that suggests the pilot
who flew the downed MH370 plane
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flew a similar route on a home simulator
just a month before this plane went down.
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From almost the very beginning,
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we knew that the captain had
a flight simulator in his basement.
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This is a YouTube video that I made.
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Many airline pilots really love flying
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and it's not unusual at all
that Zaharie had a flight simulator.
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But if he flew
the exact same route on the simulator
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that the plane
later turned out to have flown,
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it's hard to imagine he could be innocent.
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During the investigation,
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hard drives from the home flight simulator
belonging to the pilot of MH370,
319
00:22:27,283 --> 00:22:31,763
{\an8}they were obtained by investigators,
given to the FBI.
320
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{\an8}The FBI then did a thorough analysis
of those hard drives
321
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{\an8}and were able to find data points.
According to this article...
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It turns out that the FBI
had known this information
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00:22:40,603 --> 00:22:43,323
ever since they'd gotten
their hands on the simulator data.
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But it only surfaced in the media
two years later.
325
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The yellow line is the
presumed flight path that the plane took.
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The red line is the one
that was on that simulator.
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{\an8} The simulator data points
seem to indicate
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the plane followed a route
up the Malacca Strait
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and then into the southern Indian Ocean
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until
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the fuel runs out.
332
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This could be
the strongest evidence thus far.
333
00:23:14,403 --> 00:23:19,803
When that evidence came out,
that definitely raised a lot of eyebrows.
334
00:23:19,803 --> 00:23:23,523
A lot of people thought
that it could be a smoking gun.
335
00:23:28,643 --> 00:23:32,283
But... this wasn't quite what it seemed.
336
00:23:32,283 --> 00:23:35,843
Yes, the simulated plane
flew up the Malacca Strait,
337
00:23:35,843 --> 00:23:41,323
but then it seems like
the plane's location was manually changed.
338
00:23:43,163 --> 00:23:46,843
He repositioned it by,
essentially, taking the cursor
339
00:23:46,843 --> 00:23:52,003
and moving it on a sort of global map
down into the southern Indian Ocean.
340
00:23:52,003 --> 00:23:54,763
He didn't actually fly into
the southern Indian Ocean.
341
00:23:54,763 --> 00:23:57,363
He just put it
in the southern Indian Ocean,
342
00:23:57,363 --> 00:24:00,963
actually hundreds of miles away
from the search area.
343
00:24:02,563 --> 00:24:07,523
So, as with anything in this case,
you can see what you want to see.
344
00:24:07,523 --> 00:24:10,243
The pilot flew
a simulated flight that...
345
00:24:10,243 --> 00:24:13,883
While I don't think taking
the simulator data by itself
346
00:24:13,883 --> 00:24:15,963
proves a whole lot,
347
00:24:17,043 --> 00:24:21,883
it certainly correlates pretty well
with the general facts as we know them.
348
00:24:21,883 --> 00:24:26,963
And, you know, it's very odd
that you would have a simulation end
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with fuel exhaustion
in the southern Indian Ocean.
350
00:24:30,043 --> 00:24:32,163
That simulated flight...
351
00:24:32,163 --> 00:24:34,723
The simulator data
is not the whole puzzle.
352
00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:37,563
It's just one piece
in the puzzle that fits.
353
00:24:38,043 --> 00:24:40,843
We've spoken to families
this morning about this news,
354
00:24:40,843 --> 00:24:42,683
they say they are frustrated by it.
355
00:24:42,683 --> 00:24:46,363
When the incident
happened, the pilot's flight simulator
356
00:24:46,363 --> 00:24:49,523
was seized by the FBI at his home.
357
00:24:50,643 --> 00:24:55,243
People need to understand that the FBI
had this information before anyone else.
358
00:24:56,323 --> 00:24:57,923
Then, a few years later,
359
00:24:57,923 --> 00:25:01,723
"Ah! On the pilot’s flight simulator
is the same route he flew."
360
00:25:03,923 --> 00:25:05,643
The FBI was up to something.
361
00:25:06,163 --> 00:25:09,843
For me, once again, it's more proof
the Americans are involved.
362
00:25:10,963 --> 00:25:15,323
The FBI never handed anything
either to the official inquiry in Malaysia
363
00:25:15,323 --> 00:25:17,083
or to the French judges.
364
00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:18,483
Not even one report.
365
00:25:19,203 --> 00:25:21,483
So we’d like to know what they did.
366
00:25:29,603 --> 00:25:33,323
I mean,
the FBI isn't famous for its culture
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00:25:33,323 --> 00:25:34,563
of transparency.
368
00:25:35,163 --> 00:25:38,083
But in this specific case, uh...
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00:25:38,083 --> 00:25:42,643
we're talking about
a request for judicial cooperation,
370
00:25:42,643 --> 00:25:46,723
as part of a judicial investigation
benefitting from confidentiality.
371
00:25:48,763 --> 00:25:52,443
I find it pretty scandalous
that in a case such as this one,
372
00:25:53,083 --> 00:25:56,683
we witness this much bad faith
and such a silence. Really.
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00:26:04,283 --> 00:26:06,163
I believe Malaysia was
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00:26:06,163 --> 00:26:09,283
what we call in French,
"The Stooge" in the story.
375
00:26:12,363 --> 00:26:17,563
They were updated, kept quiet somehow.
376
00:26:18,643 --> 00:26:22,363
So it's the Americans
leading the investigation from the outset.
377
00:26:23,043 --> 00:26:28,283
It's the British
who are locating the plane, with Inmarsat.
378
00:26:29,283 --> 00:26:30,123
Okay.
379
00:26:32,443 --> 00:26:34,403
And it's the Australians
leading the search.
380
00:26:34,403 --> 00:26:35,963
Everybody’s locked out.
381
00:26:36,483 --> 00:26:38,203
"Move on, nothing to see here."
382
00:26:38,203 --> 00:26:39,123
Nothing.
383
00:26:39,763 --> 00:26:40,603
Zero.
384
00:26:50,683 --> 00:26:52,483
When you're a journalist,
385
00:26:52,483 --> 00:26:55,723
of course you trust the authorities.
386
00:26:57,843 --> 00:27:03,443
Your first instinct is not to imagine
that these people are lying to you.
387
00:27:05,803 --> 00:27:07,723
But as far as I was concerned,
388
00:27:07,723 --> 00:27:10,643
the problem with this official narrative
389
00:27:10,643 --> 00:27:13,723
of the plane crashing
in the southern Indian Ocean
390
00:27:13,723 --> 00:27:17,723
that everyone was expected to believe,
391
00:27:18,243 --> 00:27:23,043
is that it had basically no proof.
392
00:27:24,723 --> 00:27:27,763
First, if the official narrative
is to be believed,
393
00:27:27,763 --> 00:27:33,963
MH370 flew over the airspace
of six different countries,
394
00:27:33,963 --> 00:27:40,723
namely, Vietnam, Thailand,
Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore,
395
00:27:40,723 --> 00:27:42,363
and eventually Australia.
396
00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:47,523
Yet not a single one of these countries
397
00:27:47,523 --> 00:27:50,003
have been able to produce
398
00:27:50,003 --> 00:27:55,443
radar images of MH370.
399
00:27:57,323 --> 00:28:01,323
Despite the fact that, yes,
it is Malaysia who said,
400
00:28:01,323 --> 00:28:05,083
"We have seen MH370 U-turn."
401
00:28:07,203 --> 00:28:10,283
So here’s what
they told us after a week,
402
00:28:10,283 --> 00:28:16,163
"Our military radar saw the plane
that night, fly back over Malaysia."
403
00:28:16,683 --> 00:28:21,443
But... we've been given no proof
that the Malaysians really saw the plane
404
00:28:21,443 --> 00:28:22,843
on the radar that night.
405
00:28:22,843 --> 00:28:25,603
- Utter confusion.
- I don't think so.
406
00:28:25,603 --> 00:28:28,763
the key elements
don’t come with proof attached.
407
00:28:29,283 --> 00:28:32,283
So why believe the official story
408
00:28:32,283 --> 00:28:34,963
when they're withholding
essential pieces of evidence?
409
00:28:35,563 --> 00:28:38,243
Excuse me?
Why won't you speak to the relatives?
410
00:28:41,843 --> 00:28:44,723
Another thing,
which I found very interesting,
411
00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:48,523
was the fact
that MH370 supposedly flew over
412
00:28:49,203 --> 00:28:52,763
an air base called Butterworth,
413
00:28:52,763 --> 00:28:55,643
which is under Australian command.
414
00:29:01,723 --> 00:29:05,363
How can you believe
for a second
415
00:29:06,283 --> 00:29:12,683
that a rogue B777
would fly over an air base
416
00:29:12,683 --> 00:29:18,363
without immediately triggering
the scrambling of jets,
417
00:29:18,963 --> 00:29:21,083
some kind of interception,
418
00:29:21,083 --> 00:29:23,723
some kind of alert?
419
00:29:25,123 --> 00:29:26,603
No, not at all.
420
00:29:28,003 --> 00:29:29,163
Nothing happens.
421
00:29:30,523 --> 00:29:33,883
And all of this is all the more incredible
422
00:29:33,883 --> 00:29:37,723
when you realize that at that time...
423
00:29:38,963 --> 00:29:42,123
...when MH370 disappears,
424
00:29:42,843 --> 00:29:47,163
we had two major
military exercises going on
425
00:29:47,163 --> 00:29:50,723
in the South China Sea involving the US.
426
00:29:58,723 --> 00:29:59,883
So, in essence,
427
00:29:59,883 --> 00:30:02,603
you had an incredible concentration
428
00:30:02,603 --> 00:30:05,163
of military power in the region.
429
00:30:05,683 --> 00:30:07,723
It's completely inconceivable
430
00:30:07,723 --> 00:30:10,763
that, in this day and age,
we would lose a B777.
431
00:30:11,963 --> 00:30:15,843
It's even more inconceivable
that we would lose it
432
00:30:15,843 --> 00:30:20,563
in such a highly-monitored region
of the world.
433
00:30:23,083 --> 00:30:27,843
This is completely not credible.
434
00:30:31,363 --> 00:30:34,763
So the only thing we can rely on
435
00:30:34,763 --> 00:30:37,523
to say the plane crashed
in the southern Indian Ocean
436
00:30:38,123 --> 00:30:42,483
is the handshake pings from Inmarsat.
437
00:30:44,043 --> 00:30:48,003
So, the question
you ask yourself is obviously,
438
00:30:48,003 --> 00:30:49,843
"Who is Inmarsat?"
439
00:30:54,843 --> 00:30:56,083
Very interestingly,
440
00:30:56,883 --> 00:31:01,643
they actually have a specific branch
called Inmarsat Government...
441
00:31:04,123 --> 00:31:09,923
providing services to the militaries
of the biggest powers in the world.
442
00:31:11,563 --> 00:31:13,043
Including the US.
443
00:31:14,803 --> 00:31:20,803
So, once you understand how close
Inmarsat and the US government are,
444
00:31:21,563 --> 00:31:24,603
is it that hard to believe that
445
00:31:24,603 --> 00:31:27,563
the data provided by Inmarsat
446
00:31:27,563 --> 00:31:32,523
was actually engineered or fabricated
447
00:31:32,523 --> 00:31:39,203
in order to provide a cover-up
for what truly happened to MH370?
448
00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:45,123
In my opinion,
449
00:31:45,643 --> 00:31:48,203
MH370 did not U-turn.
450
00:31:49,923 --> 00:31:51,443
Whatever happened,
451
00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:53,923
it happened in the South China Sea.
452
00:32:00,003 --> 00:32:02,763
And I was not the only one to think this.
453
00:32:09,083 --> 00:32:10,563
I knew what I had.
454
00:32:10,563 --> 00:32:13,443
I knew that I had evidence
in the South China Sea.
455
00:32:14,123 --> 00:32:16,843
The more I searched,
the more debris I found.
456
00:32:17,843 --> 00:32:22,043
So, I feel certain
that this is where MH370 ended up,
457
00:32:22,043 --> 00:32:23,563
was off of Vietnam.
458
00:32:25,043 --> 00:32:29,083
At that point, I already had contacted
Malaysia Airlines.
459
00:32:30,203 --> 00:32:34,363
I tried to reach out to so many people
to tell them that this debris exists.
460
00:32:35,243 --> 00:32:36,883
Nobody was listening to me.
461
00:32:38,523 --> 00:32:41,763
Florence contacted me. We discussed MH370.
462
00:32:42,403 --> 00:32:45,803
She asked me what I thought,
and I told her what I had.
463
00:32:47,323 --> 00:32:50,843
{\an8}I told her, "We need to remember,
we have the oil rig worker
464
00:32:50,843 --> 00:32:53,603
{\an8}that said he saw fire
in the sky that night."
465
00:32:54,603 --> 00:32:59,523
The Cathay pilots
said they saw a large debris field.
466
00:32:59,523 --> 00:33:01,163
What happened to them?
467
00:33:02,003 --> 00:33:03,683
Where's that evidence?
468
00:33:05,203 --> 00:33:08,843
When I talked to Florence, she said,
"I've talked to several people
469
00:33:08,843 --> 00:33:10,963
and they tell me the same thing."
470
00:33:13,083 --> 00:33:16,243
This was just one more voice
471
00:33:16,243 --> 00:33:21,963
telling me that there must be
a cover-up of sorts of what truly happened
472
00:33:22,683 --> 00:33:24,163
in that region that night.
473
00:33:28,963 --> 00:33:31,323
At that point, I really wondered,
474
00:33:31,323 --> 00:33:36,763
"What could it be
that placed MH370 at the heart
475
00:33:36,763 --> 00:33:40,843
of the greatest mystery
of civil aviation?"
476
00:33:46,723 --> 00:33:49,403
So, I looked very closely at the cargo.
477
00:33:51,763 --> 00:33:54,483
What I found was very interesting.
478
00:33:55,083 --> 00:33:59,523
And that was 2.5. tons of electronics
479
00:34:00,123 --> 00:34:05,563
listed as walkie-talkies,
radio accessories, little things.
480
00:34:07,243 --> 00:34:11,483
And this cargo had been delivered
481
00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:18,003
under escort and loaded
on MH370 the very night
482
00:34:19,523 --> 00:34:22,643
without having been scanned.
483
00:34:23,163 --> 00:34:25,283
I thought this was very odd.
484
00:34:27,523 --> 00:34:29,763
It's public knowledge that China
485
00:34:29,763 --> 00:34:33,083
was very eager to acquire
486
00:34:33,083 --> 00:34:36,963
highly sensitive US technology
487
00:34:36,963 --> 00:34:42,603
in the field of surveillance,
stealth drone technology.
488
00:34:43,443 --> 00:34:48,483
So, something like this
could be at the heart
489
00:34:48,483 --> 00:34:51,683
of what happened to MH370.
490
00:34:54,523 --> 00:35:01,243
Maybe the US found out that MH370
was actually carrying problematic cargo
491
00:35:01,243 --> 00:35:03,883
to China at the eleventh hour
492
00:35:03,883 --> 00:35:10,843
and did their utmost to stop the cargo
from arriving to its destination.
493
00:35:20,683 --> 00:35:23,523
That's when I remember
Ghyslain told me that
494
00:35:24,123 --> 00:35:27,843
two US AWACS planes were involved.
495
00:35:36,603 --> 00:35:40,883
But I didn't really know what to do
with it until I met someone
496
00:35:40,883 --> 00:35:44,603
for a completely different conversation
related to MH370.
497
00:35:47,843 --> 00:35:53,643
And this source happened to be
a former US Air Force member.
498
00:35:54,923 --> 00:35:57,923
He said, "Oh, the AWACS."
499
00:35:59,443 --> 00:36:03,443
"Their jamming capabilities
are phenomenal."
500
00:36:04,803 --> 00:36:08,563
And I think that's
when the penny dropped for me.
501
00:36:11,803 --> 00:36:14,923
Because I realized that the AWACS
502
00:36:14,923 --> 00:36:21,243
had this capability to completely jam
the communication system of MH370,
503
00:36:21,243 --> 00:36:25,123
making it disappear from the screens
504
00:36:25,723 --> 00:36:27,323
of the traffic controllers.
505
00:36:41,203 --> 00:36:43,443
So now I finally had
506
00:36:43,443 --> 00:36:48,563
a technical explanation to how and why
507
00:36:48,563 --> 00:36:51,443
MH370 suddenly disappeared.
508
00:36:51,443 --> 00:36:56,163
And I tried to pull all this together
509
00:36:57,163 --> 00:37:01,563
in some kind of hypothetical scenario
510
00:37:01,563 --> 00:37:05,803
covering what may have happened to MH370.
511
00:37:29,403 --> 00:37:31,563
So we know that, on that night,
512
00:37:31,563 --> 00:37:35,323
this very mysterious
and very suspicious cargo,
513
00:37:36,043 --> 00:37:37,763
without having been scanned,
514
00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:41,603
and which has been delivered under escort...
515
00:37:46,443 --> 00:37:49,363
is loaded on MH370.
516
00:37:54,323 --> 00:37:58,723
The plane takes off as planned,
41 minutes after midnight.
517
00:38:09,203 --> 00:38:12,203
The plane reaches its cruising altitude.
518
00:38:14,243 --> 00:38:17,803
Malaysia 370,
maintaining level 350.
519
00:38:21,923 --> 00:38:24,243
Everything is
completely normal.
520
00:38:35,203 --> 00:38:37,003
So at 1:19 a.m.,
521
00:38:37,003 --> 00:38:40,163
MH370 is requested
522
00:38:40,163 --> 00:38:43,443
to change over to the Vietnamese airspace.
523
00:38:44,683 --> 00:38:48,323
Malaysian 370
contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9.
524
00:38:48,323 --> 00:38:49,243
Good night.
525
00:38:51,163 --> 00:38:57,203
Captain Zaharie signs off
with his now infamous "good night."
526
00:38:57,203 --> 00:38:59,763
- Uh, good night, Malaysian 370.
-
527
00:39:04,523 --> 00:39:08,403
So, MH370 enters
a no man's land
528
00:39:08,923 --> 00:39:13,923
and this is the perfect moment
for an interception to take place.
529
00:39:19,203 --> 00:39:21,963
So it's possible, in that moment,
530
00:39:22,563 --> 00:39:26,403
the two US AWACS moved into action
531
00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:30,803
and jammed MH370...
532
00:39:37,923 --> 00:39:41,723
...making it disappear from the radar.
533
00:39:48,043 --> 00:39:50,563
Now, MH370 cannot communicate.
534
00:39:52,443 --> 00:39:58,723
Maybe it receives an order
from the AWACS to go and land
535
00:39:58,723 --> 00:40:00,443
somewhere nearby.
536
00:40:04,163 --> 00:40:06,803
When Captain Zaharie receives the order,
537
00:40:07,843 --> 00:40:10,403
it's possible that he says, "No."
538
00:40:12,203 --> 00:40:15,123
He does not accept this order.
539
00:40:15,123 --> 00:40:16,403
One hundred degrees.
540
00:40:22,283 --> 00:40:27,003
I think he just continued
on his planned route, going to Beijing.
541
00:40:37,523 --> 00:40:41,643
The tension would have
continued to increase
542
00:40:42,323 --> 00:40:44,963
as Zaharie refused the orders.
543
00:40:46,923 --> 00:40:51,563
Eventually, MH370 is getting close
to Chinese airspace.
544
00:40:53,243 --> 00:40:57,043
So, the AWACS planes have to back off.
545
00:40:58,203 --> 00:41:00,843
And, as horrible as it may seem,
546
00:41:00,843 --> 00:41:04,603
they still need to stop the plane
and its precious cargo
547
00:41:04,603 --> 00:41:06,163
from arriving to Beijing.
548
00:41:07,323 --> 00:41:08,163
So
549
00:41:09,243 --> 00:41:11,523
either through a missile strike,
550
00:41:12,083 --> 00:41:14,123
or a midair collision,
551
00:41:14,763 --> 00:41:16,243
MH370...
552
00:41:18,163 --> 00:41:19,243
met its fate.
553
00:41:26,643 --> 00:41:31,683
I'm the first one to say
that it sounds incredibly far-fetched
554
00:41:32,203 --> 00:41:36,163
and that it has still some loose ends.
555
00:41:36,883 --> 00:41:43,883
But I believe I'm certainly much closer
to the truth than the official narrative.
556
00:41:44,763 --> 00:41:48,963
The most important part of my job
has been to demonstrate
557
00:41:48,963 --> 00:41:52,683
that the official narrative
was a fabrication.
558
00:42:06,043 --> 00:42:07,003
{\an8}Oh, boy.
559
00:42:09,603 --> 00:42:14,203
I'm just reluctant to talk
about Florence or Jeff
560
00:42:14,203 --> 00:42:16,763
or these conspiracy advocates.
561
00:42:16,763 --> 00:42:18,683
Uh, they're just such a distraction.
562
00:42:22,043 --> 00:42:27,723
I've been watching people like Florence
get tremendous publicity for her book.
563
00:42:29,123 --> 00:42:30,803
All kinds of interviews.
564
00:42:30,803 --> 00:42:32,323
All kinds of newspapers.
565
00:42:33,043 --> 00:42:33,883
These are people
566
00:42:33,883 --> 00:42:37,083
that don't really understand
the facts and the data.
567
00:42:41,643 --> 00:42:44,243
The accusations that somehow Inmarsat
568
00:42:44,243 --> 00:42:46,723
fabricated or manipulated the data
569
00:42:47,603 --> 00:42:49,123
are... are simply wrong.
570
00:42:49,123 --> 00:42:50,563
The data is the data.
571
00:42:51,563 --> 00:42:53,723
I... I don't understand
why anyone would think
572
00:42:53,723 --> 00:42:58,043
that we would want to manipulate
or change any data associated with this.
573
00:42:58,043 --> 00:43:02,283
It's not who we are
and to accuse things differently is...
574
00:43:03,643 --> 00:43:06,523
I find it hurtful and... and...
575
00:43:07,083 --> 00:43:08,963
Uh, yeah, it impacts me.
576
00:43:12,483 --> 00:43:16,883
The theory that this plane
was shot down in the South China Sea...
577
00:43:16,883 --> 00:43:17,803
No.
578
00:43:17,803 --> 00:43:22,923
There'd be debris all over
the South China Sea, the Gulf of Thailand...
579
00:43:23,603 --> 00:43:27,483
And that means that
the radar turning back is wrong.
580
00:43:27,483 --> 00:43:30,043
That means that
the Inmarsat data is wrong.
581
00:43:30,043 --> 00:43:35,003
That basically denies
all the evidence that there is.
582
00:43:37,763 --> 00:43:40,843
I mean, there's no way
that you could get China,
583
00:43:40,843 --> 00:43:44,563
America, Australia, England,
584
00:43:44,563 --> 00:43:48,403
Malaysia, Vietnam, all together
585
00:43:49,123 --> 00:43:52,123
to have a big conspiracy
to cover up what happened to the plane.
586
00:43:52,123 --> 00:43:53,963
Those guys aren't friends.
587
00:43:54,963 --> 00:43:58,003
They're going to squeal.
They're going to talk.
588
00:43:58,003 --> 00:44:00,123
So, there's just no way.
589
00:44:00,123 --> 00:44:01,803
It just didn't happen.
590
00:44:03,723 --> 00:44:05,163
I think, unfortunately,
591
00:44:05,163 --> 00:44:09,803
some people were so into their own
little theories and agendas, and so on,
592
00:44:09,803 --> 00:44:13,203
that they seem to be losing objectivity.
593
00:44:13,203 --> 00:44:14,963
And that's sad.
594
00:44:14,963 --> 00:44:18,403
Jeff Wise joins me now.
Thanks so much for being with us.
595
00:44:18,403 --> 00:44:21,123
First of all,
do you really think it went to Kazakhstan?
596
00:44:21,123 --> 00:44:24,323
{\an8}At the risk of sounding flippant, um...
597
00:44:26,083 --> 00:44:28,963
{\an8}opinions are like assholes,
everyone's got one.
598
00:44:30,483 --> 00:44:31,443
Um...
599
00:44:32,043 --> 00:44:33,283
Cut that, please.
600
00:44:34,043 --> 00:44:35,883
But it's true.
601
00:44:36,763 --> 00:44:40,723
I mean, I've heard every sort of theory,
every sort of conspiracy theory.
602
00:44:40,723 --> 00:44:44,123
You know, I just find it
galling and extraordinary
603
00:44:44,123 --> 00:44:45,803
that people could,
604
00:44:45,803 --> 00:44:46,843
um...
605
00:44:47,403 --> 00:44:49,283
in the face of the evidence,
606
00:44:49,283 --> 00:44:54,203
come up with some of the most bizarre
and crazy conspiracy theories.
607
00:45:00,323 --> 00:45:03,163
{\an8}The search is over
for the missing Malaysian airliner
608
00:45:03,163 --> 00:45:05,083
{\an8}that vanished nearly three years ago.
609
00:45:05,083 --> 00:45:07,803
{\an8}Investigators overnight
officially suspended the effort
610
00:45:07,803 --> 00:45:11,603
{\an8}to find the Boeing 777
with 239 people aboard.
611
00:45:11,603 --> 00:45:17,763
We need to suspend the search
until further credible evidence.
612
00:45:20,363 --> 00:45:24,923
{\an8}That was a huge, very heartbreaking moment
for, like, all the next of kin,
613
00:45:24,923 --> 00:45:27,803
{\an8}because our hopes
were largely pinned on the...
614
00:45:27,803 --> 00:45:29,803
{\an8}the continuation of the search.
615
00:45:29,803 --> 00:45:31,763
I don-- I felt completely shattered.
616
00:45:31,763 --> 00:45:36,043
{\an8} Voice 370, a support group
for next of kin, said in a statement,
617
00:45:36,043 --> 00:45:40,163
{\an8}"Commercial planes cannot be allowed
to disappear without a trace."
618
00:45:40,763 --> 00:45:45,123
How could such a long search
not produce any, like, result?
619
00:45:47,403 --> 00:45:49,643
Not even... Like, zero. Nothing.
620
00:45:54,123 --> 00:45:56,603
We felt really bad.
621
00:45:56,603 --> 00:46:00,883
It was, um... We'd been so involved
for such a long time.
622
00:46:05,883 --> 00:46:09,483
To ultimately fail, um,
impacted on all of us.
623
00:46:10,283 --> 00:46:11,323
We... We grieved.
624
00:46:12,283 --> 00:46:15,403
And we felt we'd let the families down.
625
00:46:20,603 --> 00:46:25,523
This will never leave any of us
until such time as that aircraft is found.
626
00:46:26,603 --> 00:46:29,643
And there are still 239 souls on board
627
00:46:30,763 --> 00:46:32,003
who need to go home.
628
00:46:53,683 --> 00:46:56,403
Investigators released
their final report overnight
629
00:46:56,403 --> 00:46:57,443
on the disappearance
630
00:46:57,443 --> 00:47:00,003
of Malaysia Airlines flight 370.
631
00:47:00,003 --> 00:47:03,723
The investigative team says
the Boeing 777 was airworthy.
632
00:47:04,683 --> 00:47:06,923
The pilot was very competent
633
00:47:06,923 --> 00:47:10,003
and showed no signs of stress
or behavioral changes.
634
00:47:10,883 --> 00:47:15,723
And they cannot rule out
unlawful interference by a third party.
635
00:47:15,723 --> 00:47:17,843
- Good evening...
636
00:47:17,843 --> 00:47:21,003
We are unable to determine
with any certainty
637
00:47:21,603 --> 00:47:27,403
the reasons that the aircraft diverted
from its far flight plan route.
638
00:47:46,123 --> 00:47:51,003
It is so frustrating that every time
we come for a meeting like this,
639
00:47:51,003 --> 00:47:56,643
nobody, nobody is able to answer
any of our questions.
640
00:47:58,643 --> 00:48:01,923
The only good thing that happened
641
00:48:01,923 --> 00:48:07,283
was that they stopped
accusing Captain Zaharie
642
00:48:07,923 --> 00:48:09,723
of bringing down MH370.
643
00:48:13,843 --> 00:48:14,923
Eventually,
644
00:48:14,923 --> 00:48:19,003
even the official investigation
stopped short of accusing the pilot.
645
00:48:19,003 --> 00:48:20,483
They're not saying it anymore.
646
00:48:21,723 --> 00:48:24,563
The only conclusion is
that it wasn't the pilot.
647
00:48:24,563 --> 00:48:26,163
It obviously wasn't the pilot.
648
00:48:31,603 --> 00:48:34,643
So, the Malaysian
official investigation is over.
649
00:48:36,683 --> 00:48:38,923
They don’t have an answer
but they're done anyway.
650
00:48:42,843 --> 00:48:45,243
That's what's good about
the French justice system.
651
00:48:45,243 --> 00:48:48,043
They can't stop,
they're not allowed to stop
652
00:48:48,843 --> 00:48:53,763
until they find the truth.
So that’s good, and it works for us.
653
00:48:53,763 --> 00:48:56,443
I don’t want to stop either
until we have an answer.
654
00:48:57,163 --> 00:48:59,523
If it takes ten years,
then it takes ten years.
655
00:49:17,603 --> 00:49:21,523
What's so mania-forming about MH370
656
00:49:21,523 --> 00:49:23,603
is that it's incredibly important.
657
00:49:24,203 --> 00:49:26,683
We're talking about
hundreds of human lives
658
00:49:26,683 --> 00:49:30,603
and the entirety
of the world air transport system.
659
00:49:31,203 --> 00:49:32,603
So it really matters.
660
00:49:35,203 --> 00:49:38,203
So, did MH370 drive me mad?
661
00:49:39,363 --> 00:49:42,003
Yes! But it needed to drive me mad.
662
00:49:42,003 --> 00:49:44,603
It's important.
And it's good that it drove me mad.
663
00:49:46,843 --> 00:49:48,123
It's a reasonable assumption
664
00:49:48,123 --> 00:49:51,523
that the disappearance of MH370
was an intentional act.
665
00:49:52,043 --> 00:49:54,643
And part of the mystery is, "Who did it?"
666
00:49:56,643 --> 00:50:00,163
As much as I'd like to know the answer,
we may never know.
667
00:50:01,323 --> 00:50:03,083
And we just have to live with that.
668
00:50:07,443 --> 00:50:10,403
There's another part of the mystery,
"Where is it?"
669
00:50:11,203 --> 00:50:16,563
And that is a question
with a definitive, concrete answer.
670
00:50:19,483 --> 00:50:24,243
Because the existence
of this plane is a tangible reality.
671
00:50:24,243 --> 00:50:25,723
It is somewhere.
672
00:50:26,363 --> 00:50:28,683
And everybody wants the same thing.
673
00:50:29,363 --> 00:50:31,963
Everybody wants to find MH370.
674
00:50:38,723 --> 00:50:41,763
For all of these families
who've lived in this state of limbo
675
00:50:41,763 --> 00:50:43,243
ever since that day,
676
00:50:43,243 --> 00:50:45,683
it seems, sadly,
that that state of not knowing
677
00:50:45,683 --> 00:50:48,163
is going to continue, uh,
for the foreseeable future.
678
00:50:49,923 --> 00:50:52,363
We need to bring
the answers to the families.
679
00:50:52,363 --> 00:50:55,203
We need to bring the answers
to the flying public.
680
00:50:56,043 --> 00:50:58,923
We need to show
that a plane can't just disappear.
681
00:50:59,843 --> 00:51:02,403
We owe them the proof.
682
00:51:02,403 --> 00:51:04,603
We owe them the explanation.
683
00:51:04,603 --> 00:51:06,683
We owe them that closure.
684
00:51:16,683 --> 00:51:19,963
Well, I don't know
whether I'll ever get closure but...
685
00:51:21,323 --> 00:51:24,443
I will try for as long as I can
to find my mother,
686
00:51:24,443 --> 00:51:26,083
to find out what happened.
687
00:51:30,603 --> 00:51:33,563
I believe
there are people out there
688
00:51:34,683 --> 00:51:37,483
who know something,
who know the true story.
689
00:51:42,443 --> 00:51:44,883
We're still here and waiting for answers.
690
00:51:45,963 --> 00:51:47,323
We want answers.
691
00:51:58,563 --> 00:52:00,043
It's hard to think
692
00:52:00,043 --> 00:52:02,683
that we will get the answers
to what happened.
693
00:52:05,683 --> 00:52:07,883
I promised him from day dot
694
00:52:07,883 --> 00:52:10,843
that I would bring him home
and I would find him.
695
00:52:12,003 --> 00:52:13,243
I haven't done that.
696
00:52:14,523 --> 00:52:16,923
And until I do,
697
00:52:18,483 --> 00:52:19,963
there will be no peace.
698
00:52:30,123 --> 00:52:33,403
Yeah, we're still hopeful.
We'll never leave hope behind.
699
00:52:33,403 --> 00:52:38,203
We'll never ever leave hope behind,
no matter what happens.
700
00:52:39,723 --> 00:52:41,443
We deserve to know the truth.
701
00:52:42,603 --> 00:52:45,363
My... My children deserve to know...
702
00:52:46,403 --> 00:52:47,243
the truth.