1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,241 - In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:09,309 --> 00:00:12,278 detectives and prosecutors face daunting challenges 3 00:00:12,312 --> 00:00:14,748 when money is the motive for murder. 4 00:00:14,781 --> 00:00:17,283 [dramatic sting] 5 00:00:17,317 --> 00:00:18,885 Downtown Reno is gripped in panic 6 00:00:18,918 --> 00:00:20,887 after a judge is shot. 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,423 - My initial reaction was that this was a random shooting. 8 00:00:23,456 --> 00:00:25,291 - We walked to the driveway. 9 00:00:25,325 --> 00:00:28,628 A series of blood droplets appeared 10 00:00:28,661 --> 00:00:30,196 outside the garage door. 11 00:00:30,230 --> 00:00:31,831 - After a second attack, 12 00:00:31,865 --> 00:00:34,100 investigators reveal a terrifying plot. 13 00:00:34,134 --> 00:00:36,703 - I believe money was the main issue. 14 00:00:36,736 --> 00:00:39,773 - One item that stood out appeared to be a to-do list. 15 00:00:39,806 --> 00:00:43,209 - I had great concern about who was next on the list. 16 00:00:43,243 --> 00:00:44,744 - Officials rush to cage 17 00:00:44,778 --> 00:00:46,780 an unsuspecting killer on the loose. 18 00:00:46,813 --> 00:00:47,881 - There were three families 19 00:00:47,914 --> 00:00:49,783 who were living this nightmare 20 00:00:49,816 --> 00:00:52,786 while all this tactical stuff was going on. 21 00:00:52,819 --> 00:00:56,489 - These men and women dedicate their lives to law and order. 22 00:00:56,523 --> 00:00:58,324 - Most murderers, quite simply, believe 23 00:00:58,358 --> 00:00:59,926 that their life is more important 24 00:00:59,959 --> 00:01:01,561 than the life of the victim. 25 00:01:01,594 --> 00:01:04,464 - These are their true stories. 26 00:01:18,144 --> 00:01:20,113 - Doctors treated Judge Chuck Weller 27 00:01:20,146 --> 00:01:22,482 for gunshot wounds to the chest. 28 00:01:22,515 --> 00:01:24,784 There are multiple bullet fragments seen, 29 00:01:24,818 --> 00:01:26,653 with significant bleeding. 30 00:01:26,686 --> 00:01:30,657 - Judge Weller was standing in his chambers 31 00:01:30,690 --> 00:01:32,692 when he was shot. 32 00:01:32,726 --> 00:01:35,362 There was absolute pandemonium. 33 00:01:35,395 --> 00:01:37,530 - Nobody knew where that shot originated from, 34 00:01:37,564 --> 00:01:40,233 and nobody knew how many more shots would come. 35 00:01:40,266 --> 00:01:42,502 - People were fleeing from the streets. 36 00:01:42,535 --> 00:01:43,970 They were hiding. 37 00:01:44,004 --> 00:01:45,672 - People driving down the street were 38 00:01:45,705 --> 00:01:48,508 removed from vehicles and shoved into businesses. 39 00:01:48,541 --> 00:01:50,977 - It was a horribly frightening experience, 40 00:01:51,011 --> 00:01:53,213 and people were panicked. 41 00:01:53,246 --> 00:01:55,815 - My initial reaction was that this was a random shooting, 42 00:01:55,849 --> 00:01:58,485 that this was a sniper who had taken a perch 43 00:01:58,518 --> 00:02:01,721 and was firing indiscriminately upon people, 44 00:02:01,755 --> 00:02:03,923 and he happened to have targeted the judge. 45 00:02:03,957 --> 00:02:05,358 The bullet had entered 46 00:02:05,392 --> 00:02:07,560 through Judge Weller's chamber's windows. 47 00:02:07,594 --> 00:02:10,397 Part of the fragments had struck books 48 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:12,465 in a bookshelf behind him. 49 00:02:12,499 --> 00:02:16,269 So we were able to isolate the trajectory of the shot. 50 00:02:16,302 --> 00:02:18,705 [gunshot] 51 00:02:18,738 --> 00:02:20,206 - Right at 12:00, 52 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,175 there was a multilevel parking garage 53 00:02:22,208 --> 00:02:26,079 that looks almost directly into the judge's chambers. 54 00:02:26,079 --> 00:02:28,882 - The Reno Police Department isolated and cordoned off 55 00:02:28,915 --> 00:02:31,251 about a 3 by 5 block area. 56 00:02:31,284 --> 00:02:33,920 I donned a SWAT vest and a SWAT helmet. 57 00:02:33,953 --> 00:02:35,288 I grabbed a rifle. 58 00:02:35,321 --> 00:02:37,090 And I began to respond to the area 59 00:02:37,090 --> 00:02:38,224 where the shot had originated. 60 00:02:38,258 --> 00:02:39,626 [siren wailing] 61 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:41,695 As a team, we began systematically clearing 62 00:02:41,728 --> 00:02:44,664 the parking garage floor by floor. 63 00:02:44,698 --> 00:02:46,466 [dramatic music] 64 00:02:46,499 --> 00:02:48,401 - While police searched for the missing gunman, 65 00:02:48,435 --> 00:02:50,470 investigators tried to uncover 66 00:02:50,503 --> 00:02:53,239 why a sitting judge would be a target for murder 67 00:02:53,273 --> 00:02:55,308 and who was responsible. 68 00:02:55,342 --> 00:02:58,111 - I, during the course of my career, 69 00:02:58,111 --> 00:03:01,047 had occasion to meet Judge Weller several times. 70 00:03:01,081 --> 00:03:04,584 I assumed him to be a judicial officer of good standing 71 00:03:04,617 --> 00:03:08,621 and certainly warranted the respect of the community. 72 00:03:08,655 --> 00:03:12,492 A number of us were concerned for Judge Weller. 73 00:03:12,525 --> 00:03:15,462 - This person was targeting the family court system. 74 00:03:15,495 --> 00:03:19,199 I had great concern about who was next on the list. 75 00:03:19,232 --> 00:03:22,068 - As word of an active shooter spread through Reno, 76 00:03:22,102 --> 00:03:24,070 residents quickly tried to account 77 00:03:24,070 --> 00:03:27,073 for their loved ones. 78 00:03:27,073 --> 00:03:32,612 - On June 12, 2006, Charla Mack, my best friend, 79 00:03:32,645 --> 00:03:35,081 she was supposed to drop her daughter, Erika, off 80 00:03:35,115 --> 00:03:36,616 at her husband Darren's house 81 00:03:36,649 --> 00:03:38,184 and then come over to my house. 82 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:41,588 And then she wasn't at my house. 83 00:03:41,621 --> 00:03:43,556 I knew something was wrong. 84 00:03:47,627 --> 00:03:50,263 Charla and I were stay-at-home moms together. 85 00:03:50,296 --> 00:03:52,232 She was mischievous. 86 00:03:52,265 --> 00:03:54,434 She loved a good little prank. 87 00:03:54,467 --> 00:03:57,103 She was a hard worker. 88 00:03:57,103 --> 00:03:59,539 She was stubborn. 89 00:03:59,572 --> 00:04:02,475 - She had a shirt that said, 90 00:04:02,509 --> 00:04:04,411 "You laugh at me because I'm different. 91 00:04:04,444 --> 00:04:06,813 I laugh at you because you're all the same." 92 00:04:06,846 --> 00:04:10,650 And that was really kind of true to her nature. 93 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:13,319 She didn't apologize for who she was. 94 00:04:13,353 --> 00:04:15,221 And what you saw was what you got. 95 00:04:19,492 --> 00:04:22,529 I was sitting in my house on the couch, 96 00:04:22,562 --> 00:04:25,565 and I got a phone call from a friend. 97 00:04:25,598 --> 00:04:29,069 And she said, "There's this stuff all on the news. 98 00:04:29,069 --> 00:04:31,604 "There's a judge that has been shot downtown. 99 00:04:31,638 --> 00:04:33,606 "Something's going on. 100 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,842 This is all so crazy." 101 00:04:35,875 --> 00:04:40,080 - When I heard the news about the judge being shot, 102 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,416 Charla was supposed to be at my house, and she wasn't. 103 00:04:45,118 --> 00:04:47,887 - I said, "Well, has anyone contacted Charla?" 104 00:04:47,921 --> 00:04:51,191 And my friend said, "I've been calling, 105 00:04:51,224 --> 00:04:54,494 but she's not picking up." 106 00:04:54,527 --> 00:04:57,797 - I was very concerned about what might happen next. 107 00:05:00,033 --> 00:05:03,870 - News traveled very quickly that a judge had been shot. 108 00:05:03,903 --> 00:05:06,039 Police department was flooded with information. 109 00:05:06,072 --> 00:05:08,708 But one of the things that came to the forefront 110 00:05:08,742 --> 00:05:11,711 of our attention was the call from an individual 111 00:05:11,745 --> 00:05:14,047 by the name of Dan Osborne, 112 00:05:14,047 --> 00:05:17,050 who had called 911. 113 00:05:17,083 --> 00:05:21,187 That morning, Dan Osborne was at his friend 114 00:05:21,221 --> 00:05:24,257 Darren Mack's residence in Fleur de Lis. 115 00:05:25,458 --> 00:05:28,461 [soft dramatic music] 116 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:31,931 * * 117 00:05:31,965 --> 00:05:32,899 - Mr. Osborne was 118 00:05:32,932 --> 00:05:34,901 a high school friend of Darren Mack's. 119 00:05:34,934 --> 00:05:38,638 Mr. Osborne was in the process of establishing an apartment 120 00:05:38,672 --> 00:05:41,408 for himself in Reno but during the interim time 121 00:05:41,441 --> 00:05:43,610 had been living with Darren Mack. 122 00:05:44,944 --> 00:05:46,346 Darren Mack was very well known 123 00:05:46,379 --> 00:05:47,580 in the community of Reno. 124 00:05:47,614 --> 00:05:49,949 His family had long been established 125 00:05:49,983 --> 00:05:51,217 as business owners. 126 00:05:51,251 --> 00:05:52,952 They were very good to the community. 127 00:05:52,986 --> 00:05:54,087 They were a philanthropists. 128 00:05:54,087 --> 00:05:57,223 He owned 51% of the Palace Jewelry and Loan. 129 00:05:57,257 --> 00:05:58,792 - You owe it to yourself 130 00:05:58,825 --> 00:06:01,227 to shop Palace Jewelry and Loan. 131 00:06:01,261 --> 00:06:03,463 [elegant music] 132 00:06:03,496 --> 00:06:05,532 - It was one of the largest pawn shops, 133 00:06:05,565 --> 00:06:08,034 jewelry stores in downtown Reno. 134 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:10,570 So that business generated quite a bit of income 135 00:06:10,603 --> 00:06:13,239 for the Mack family. 136 00:06:13,273 --> 00:06:17,243 - Darren Mack became obsessed with bodybuilding. 137 00:06:17,277 --> 00:06:18,645 - When he began bodybuilding, 138 00:06:18,678 --> 00:06:21,047 he took that to the extreme to the point 139 00:06:21,081 --> 00:06:23,717 where he wanted to compete at the Mr. Nevada competition 140 00:06:23,750 --> 00:06:27,954 and ultimately succeeded in that competition. 141 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:32,659 Mr. Osborne said Mr. Mack's estranged wife, Charla Mack, 142 00:06:32,692 --> 00:06:34,661 had shown up to drop off their child, 143 00:06:34,694 --> 00:06:36,830 their daughter named Erika, 144 00:06:36,863 --> 00:06:38,832 that Dan Osborne went upstairs 145 00:06:38,865 --> 00:06:40,867 to watch television with the child. 146 00:06:42,802 --> 00:06:46,773 - Mr. Osborne described hearing his dog, 147 00:06:46,806 --> 00:06:49,275 in a very agitated state, barking. 148 00:06:49,309 --> 00:06:50,810 [dog barking] 149 00:06:50,844 --> 00:06:53,780 And then Darren Mack walked through the living area 150 00:06:53,813 --> 00:06:55,482 of the house very quickly 151 00:06:55,515 --> 00:06:59,452 with a towel draped over his hand. 152 00:06:59,486 --> 00:07:03,289 And moments later, his dog ran into the home 153 00:07:03,323 --> 00:07:05,692 covered in blood. 154 00:07:05,725 --> 00:07:07,527 He examined the animal for injuries. 155 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,262 There were none. 156 00:07:09,295 --> 00:07:12,232 He was concerned for Charla's welfare 157 00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:13,733 and his own welfare 158 00:07:13,767 --> 00:07:15,902 and the welfare of the child as well. 159 00:07:15,935 --> 00:07:19,439 So he collected Erika, and they left immediately. 160 00:07:19,472 --> 00:07:21,775 [tense music] 161 00:07:21,808 --> 00:07:23,843 As he thought about the circumstances 162 00:07:23,877 --> 00:07:26,513 that he had observed at Darren's house 163 00:07:26,546 --> 00:07:28,615 and that a judge had been shot 164 00:07:28,648 --> 00:07:33,219 across town, he quickly became concerned. 165 00:07:33,253 --> 00:07:35,889 - Investigators questioned if a violent act 166 00:07:35,922 --> 00:07:38,224 at the Mack residence could have escalated 167 00:07:38,258 --> 00:07:40,060 to the shooting downtown. 168 00:07:40,093 --> 00:07:43,229 They were unnerved by the next chilling detail. 169 00:07:43,263 --> 00:07:46,499 - Mr. Mack had been actively practicing 170 00:07:46,533 --> 00:07:49,336 or training at distance rifle shooting. 171 00:07:49,369 --> 00:07:52,072 * * 172 00:07:52,072 --> 00:07:55,508 I got on the radio with my partner, Detective Chalmers, 173 00:07:55,542 --> 00:07:57,744 who was involved in the activities downtown, 174 00:07:57,777 --> 00:08:00,013 and he shared my concern. 175 00:08:00,046 --> 00:08:02,716 - Detective Jenkins and I would frequently investigate crimes 176 00:08:02,749 --> 00:08:05,218 together, and he taught me a great amount 177 00:08:05,251 --> 00:08:08,021 about investigating homicides. 178 00:08:08,054 --> 00:08:10,123 Detective Jenkins called me and asked me 179 00:08:10,156 --> 00:08:12,392 to meet him at Darren Mack's residence 180 00:08:12,425 --> 00:08:15,362 at the Fleur de Lis townhomes. 181 00:08:15,395 --> 00:08:17,931 - As soon as we pulled up in front of the townhome, 182 00:08:18,031 --> 00:08:20,033 we knocked at the door and got no answer. 183 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:24,070 When we walked to the front of the residence 184 00:08:24,104 --> 00:08:27,073 in front of the driveway, our attention was drawn 185 00:08:27,107 --> 00:08:29,642 to what appeared to be 186 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:33,246 substantial vertical blood droplets 187 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:35,582 just outside the closed garage door 188 00:08:35,615 --> 00:08:38,585 of Mr. Mack's residence. 189 00:08:38,618 --> 00:08:42,389 Mr. Osborne, he told me that he knew the code 190 00:08:42,422 --> 00:08:44,257 for the garage door opener. 191 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:45,792 He entered the code. 192 00:08:45,825 --> 00:08:49,062 The garage door started to slowly open. 193 00:08:49,062 --> 00:08:53,066 And almost instantaneously, we were able to see 194 00:08:53,066 --> 00:08:56,903 the motionless body of Charla Mack 195 00:08:56,936 --> 00:09:01,107 lying in a large congealed pool of blood. 196 00:09:01,141 --> 00:09:03,777 - Detective Jenkins was able to reach the body 197 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:05,078 and check for signs of life, 198 00:09:05,111 --> 00:09:06,813 which, unfortunately, there were none. 199 00:09:10,016 --> 00:09:12,819 - One item appeared to be a to-do list. 200 00:09:12,852 --> 00:09:16,022 - He was afraid of what she was going to do to him. 201 00:09:16,022 --> 00:09:19,726 - There was an exhaustive manhunt. 202 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:21,895 - It became about money and winning, 203 00:09:21,928 --> 00:09:23,163 and this was a war. 204 00:09:32,038 --> 00:09:32,806 [tense music] 205 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,041 - There's this stuff all on the news. 206 00:09:35,041 --> 00:09:36,810 There's a body at Fleur de Lis. 207 00:09:36,843 --> 00:09:39,312 The body's a woman. 208 00:09:39,346 --> 00:09:44,050 - I got back in my car to go to Darren's house and-- 209 00:09:44,050 --> 00:09:48,355 and find out what was going on when I got a phone call. 210 00:09:48,388 --> 00:09:51,257 I had a friend on the SWAT team. 211 00:09:51,291 --> 00:09:54,694 And he said, "It's Charla." 212 00:09:54,728 --> 00:09:57,831 * * 213 00:09:57,864 --> 00:09:59,866 - I remember standing in my doorway 214 00:09:59,899 --> 00:10:02,102 just feeling like my knees were going to give out. 215 00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:05,338 [somber music] 216 00:10:05,372 --> 00:10:07,507 - I just wish so badly that I would have 217 00:10:07,540 --> 00:10:08,975 been with her that morning, 218 00:10:09,009 --> 00:10:10,577 that I could have died for her. 219 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:16,850 * * 220 00:10:16,883 --> 00:10:18,685 I don't know-- I don't understand 221 00:10:18,718 --> 00:10:21,721 why I got to live and she died, you know? 222 00:10:21,755 --> 00:10:25,091 A parent shouldn't outlive their child ever. 223 00:10:28,661 --> 00:10:31,131 - We located seven distinct stab wounds 224 00:10:31,164 --> 00:10:33,533 to her body, the most severe being 225 00:10:33,566 --> 00:10:37,237 on the left side of her neck that severed her trachea. 226 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:39,406 - As chatter continued on the police scanner 227 00:10:39,439 --> 00:10:41,841 in the search for the shooter of Judge Weller, 228 00:10:41,875 --> 00:10:44,878 detectives pushed into this new crime scene, 229 00:10:44,911 --> 00:10:48,982 questioning how the two attacks could be related. 230 00:10:49,015 --> 00:10:53,687 - In Darren Mack's closet was the empty sheath 231 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,791 for a concealable double-edged knife. 232 00:10:57,824 --> 00:11:00,060 We believed that that instrument 233 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:02,395 was likely the murder weapon. 234 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:07,934 - We located a rental agreement for a 2006 Ford Explorer. 235 00:11:07,967 --> 00:11:10,437 And we found .243-caliber ammunition 236 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:12,205 strewn about the home. 237 00:11:12,238 --> 00:11:14,107 - One item that stood out 238 00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:16,109 were what appeared to be some handwritten notes 239 00:11:16,142 --> 00:11:18,778 often referred to as a to-do list. 240 00:11:18,812 --> 00:11:21,281 There's some specific references to vehicles. 241 00:11:21,314 --> 00:11:24,851 It says, "Put her vehicle in the garage" 242 00:11:24,884 --> 00:11:26,820 and then "parking garage." 243 00:11:26,853 --> 00:11:29,222 [tense music] 244 00:11:29,255 --> 00:11:32,092 And then, finally, "End problem." 245 00:11:32,092 --> 00:11:36,629 * * 246 00:11:36,663 --> 00:11:38,698 From an evidentiary standpoint, 247 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:40,734 it seemed that there was, in fact, 248 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:43,436 a nexus between Charla's murder 249 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:44,804 and the shooting of Judge Weller. 250 00:11:44,838 --> 00:11:46,940 - Investigators needed to know 251 00:11:46,973 --> 00:11:48,842 how the shootings were connected 252 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:50,777 and rushed to speak to Judge Weller 253 00:11:50,810 --> 00:11:53,246 as he struggled in critical condition. 254 00:12:01,521 --> 00:12:03,857 - My name is Charles Weller. 255 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:05,725 I was in my chambers 256 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:08,795 when the window in my office shattered. 257 00:12:08,828 --> 00:12:09,796 [gunshot] 258 00:12:09,829 --> 00:12:12,165 * * 259 00:12:12,198 --> 00:12:14,067 I was shot here. 260 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:16,703 And I lay in a hallway bleeding 261 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:19,773 as deputies administered first aid. 262 00:12:19,806 --> 00:12:21,841 It was terrible. 263 00:12:23,543 --> 00:12:25,979 - We were aided tremendously by the fact 264 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:27,914 that, although seriously injured, 265 00:12:27,947 --> 00:12:30,817 Judge Weller was able to provide information 266 00:12:30,850 --> 00:12:33,887 almost immediately to law enforcement 267 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,122 whether or not he knew Darren Mack. 268 00:12:36,156 --> 00:12:39,325 At that time, more damning evidence 269 00:12:39,359 --> 00:12:42,962 of Mr. Mack's involvement came to light. 270 00:12:44,964 --> 00:12:46,366 - I was the judge to whom 271 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:50,170 the Mack divorce case was assigned. 272 00:12:50,203 --> 00:12:53,840 This is the case of Charla Mack versus Darren Mack. 273 00:12:53,873 --> 00:12:56,810 - The information from Judge Weller 274 00:12:56,843 --> 00:12:58,411 was that this was 275 00:12:58,445 --> 00:13:02,515 a very acrimonious divorce proceeding. 276 00:13:02,549 --> 00:13:04,951 - It became about money and winning. 277 00:13:05,051 --> 00:13:08,154 That's not people that are trying to resolve something. 278 00:13:08,188 --> 00:13:09,823 Those are people that are battling. 279 00:13:09,856 --> 00:13:11,691 And this was a war. 280 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:15,562 [somber music] 281 00:13:15,595 --> 00:13:18,531 I had never seen him so happy, 282 00:13:18,565 --> 00:13:22,802 and Charla equally seemed to be in love with Darren. 283 00:13:22,836 --> 00:13:25,772 - They would always go on big trips and vacations, 284 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:27,741 just a lot of privileges of wealth. 285 00:13:27,774 --> 00:13:33,380 But things start unraveling, none of that really matters. 286 00:13:33,413 --> 00:13:37,150 * * 287 00:13:37,183 --> 00:13:39,085 - It really upset her that he'd want to stay out 288 00:13:39,119 --> 00:13:40,320 till, like, 4:00 in the morning, 289 00:13:40,353 --> 00:13:42,789 wanting to go out to strip clubs. 290 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:45,692 And so it was just drama, drama, drama. 291 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:49,763 - After ten years of marriage, Charla Mack filed for divorce, 292 00:13:49,796 --> 00:13:51,564 and the couple separated 293 00:13:51,598 --> 00:13:55,368 as Darren moved into his own townhome. 294 00:13:55,402 --> 00:13:58,605 - During the divorce, it was ugly. 295 00:13:58,638 --> 00:14:00,273 - My client is broke. 296 00:14:00,306 --> 00:14:02,742 She's been--finances have been used against her 297 00:14:02,776 --> 00:14:04,244 for over a year now. 298 00:14:04,277 --> 00:14:06,579 She's had to borrow 36,000 just to survive. 299 00:14:06,613 --> 00:14:10,083 - He lies over and over and over again on this thing. 300 00:14:10,116 --> 00:14:13,053 - He gets so angry and so revved up 301 00:14:13,053 --> 00:14:14,888 that I just don't feel comfortable right now. 302 00:14:14,921 --> 00:14:16,890 [tense music] 303 00:14:16,923 --> 00:14:19,426 - I regret being forced to make a decision here. 304 00:14:19,459 --> 00:14:21,928 I can only pick one side or the other, 305 00:14:21,961 --> 00:14:24,064 and one of you has to lose. 306 00:14:24,064 --> 00:14:27,434 And so here goes. 307 00:14:27,467 --> 00:14:30,937 - Judge Weller ordered Mr. Mack to pay, 308 00:14:30,970 --> 00:14:33,306 in total, almost $1 million. 309 00:14:35,208 --> 00:14:37,811 That included a lump sum of over $400,000 310 00:14:37,844 --> 00:14:40,347 that Charla was to purchase a home and a car with, 311 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:43,183 and then there was alimony support on top of that 312 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:45,318 in excess of $10,000 a month. 313 00:14:48,555 --> 00:14:51,591 - He was used to being successful and powerful 314 00:14:51,624 --> 00:14:53,093 and in control. 315 00:14:53,126 --> 00:14:56,996 And in this situation, he was none of those things. 316 00:14:57,097 --> 00:14:59,299 - I was informed by someone I knew 317 00:14:59,332 --> 00:15:01,634 in a fathers' rights organization 318 00:15:01,668 --> 00:15:05,839 that Darren Mack was posting terrible allegations about me 319 00:15:05,872 --> 00:15:07,507 and about family court. 320 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:13,380 - Judge Weller started wielding his iron mallet 321 00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:15,882 and started threatening me with jail. 322 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:18,318 There's many, many, many like myself 323 00:15:18,351 --> 00:15:22,288 that have been fallen prey to his tyranny 324 00:15:22,322 --> 00:15:24,958 and his abuse. 325 00:15:25,058 --> 00:15:27,093 - It made me feel threatened. 326 00:15:29,529 --> 00:15:31,097 When I became a family court judge, 327 00:15:31,131 --> 00:15:34,167 I wanted parties to feel as comfortable as possible. 328 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,537 And so with my first meeting with litigants, 329 00:15:37,570 --> 00:15:42,208 I held that meeting in chambers rather than the courtroom. 330 00:15:42,242 --> 00:15:46,680 As a result, Mr. Mack knew where my chambers were. 331 00:15:46,713 --> 00:15:52,085 * * 332 00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:53,653 - Darren had called 333 00:15:53,687 --> 00:15:55,555 days before he was supposed to write her a big check. 334 00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:57,157 He asked to talk to her 335 00:15:57,190 --> 00:16:00,527 when she was dropping off Erika. 336 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,729 - She didn't understand because they'd already been 337 00:16:02,762 --> 00:16:03,863 to court with Judge Weller. 338 00:16:03,897 --> 00:16:05,699 Everything was settled. 339 00:16:05,732 --> 00:16:07,500 Darren begged her. 340 00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:09,736 He said, you know, "You've got to come. 341 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:10,737 "It's really important. 342 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:12,706 I've got to talk to you." 343 00:16:12,739 --> 00:16:13,940 - They presented to me 344 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,377 that their interactions were dangerous. 345 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:19,579 And so I ordered that when they made 346 00:16:19,612 --> 00:16:22,248 their weekly exchanges, 347 00:16:22,282 --> 00:16:24,751 the person dropping off the child 348 00:16:24,784 --> 00:16:26,219 would stay in the car 349 00:16:26,252 --> 00:16:30,757 while the child walked from car to home. 350 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:35,061 I issued that order so that the parties would be safe. 351 00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:39,232 - She said, "I don't know what he really wants, 352 00:16:39,265 --> 00:16:41,701 "and I am scared to death to do it. 353 00:16:41,735 --> 00:16:44,604 I just have a bad feeling." 354 00:16:46,072 --> 00:16:48,141 But she did it. 355 00:16:49,809 --> 00:16:53,246 - I really believe that money was the main issue. 356 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:57,083 Mr. Mack really did not want to lose his money. 357 00:16:57,117 --> 00:16:58,785 He really did not want to give it to Charla. 358 00:16:58,818 --> 00:17:02,555 Judge Weller was that vehicle for Charla Mack 359 00:17:02,589 --> 00:17:05,025 to receive the money from Darren Mack, 360 00:17:05,025 --> 00:17:10,397 and he held that Judge Weller personally and as the system 361 00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:14,734 was responsible for that loss of finance. 362 00:17:14,768 --> 00:17:16,770 Included in the ammunition that we located 363 00:17:16,803 --> 00:17:19,172 in Mr. Mack's residence matched the caliber 364 00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:21,608 of the projectile that struck Judge Weller. 365 00:17:27,047 --> 00:17:28,481 So about 2:00 in the morning, 366 00:17:28,515 --> 00:17:31,284 an arrest warrant was authorized for Darren Mack 367 00:17:31,317 --> 00:17:33,186 for the murder of Charla Mack. 368 00:17:34,521 --> 00:17:37,657 - He was on the loose, so I was concerned. 369 00:17:37,691 --> 00:17:39,726 Normal life stopped. 370 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:43,496 And local law enforcement provided security 371 00:17:43,530 --> 00:17:47,067 at the hospital for me and my family. 372 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:52,339 - We had good, strong evidence that his cell phone had been 373 00:17:52,372 --> 00:17:56,109 turned on and was pinging onto Interstate 80 374 00:17:56,142 --> 00:17:57,644 and westbound out of Reno 375 00:17:57,677 --> 00:18:00,380 before we lost contact with it. 376 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:03,083 So the indication was that Mack had, 377 00:18:03,116 --> 00:18:05,418 in fact, fled to California. 378 00:18:05,452 --> 00:18:09,656 And past that, we had no idea where he might have gone. 379 00:18:21,867 --> 00:18:22,668 - Darren Mack was the sole suspect 380 00:18:23,402 --> 00:18:25,337 in the shooting of Judge Weller 381 00:18:25,371 --> 00:18:28,040 and the murder of his estranged wife, Charla. 382 00:18:28,073 --> 00:18:30,843 But no one could find him. 383 00:18:30,876 --> 00:18:33,645 - I wanted to believe that he didn't do this, 384 00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:36,215 that there was some reasonable explanation. 385 00:18:36,248 --> 00:18:38,617 But he disappeared and was at large. 386 00:18:40,219 --> 00:18:41,620 - After the shooting, 387 00:18:41,653 --> 00:18:43,188 there was 388 00:18:43,222 --> 00:18:44,423 an exhaustive manhunt 389 00:18:44,456 --> 00:18:46,759 involving local, state, 390 00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:50,295 federal law enforcement agencies to locate Mr. Mack. 391 00:18:50,329 --> 00:18:52,064 [dramatic music] 392 00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:54,366 - The media was covering the attack in Reno, 393 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,734 and his picture was included. 394 00:18:57,469 --> 00:19:00,039 - Darren Mack, he's 45 years old, 5'11", 395 00:19:00,072 --> 00:19:01,340 close to 200 pounds, 396 00:19:01,373 --> 00:19:03,742 driving a silver 2006 Ford Explorer. 397 00:19:03,776 --> 00:19:08,414 If you have seen Mack or his car, call the police. 398 00:19:08,447 --> 00:19:11,784 - We received a telephone call from a ticket agent 399 00:19:11,817 --> 00:19:13,419 at the Sacramento airport. 400 00:19:13,452 --> 00:19:15,821 Mr. Mack had been there at her counter. 401 00:19:15,854 --> 00:19:17,890 And when she asked for identification, 402 00:19:17,923 --> 00:19:21,527 he refused and left without getting a ticket. 403 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,228 - Exhaustive efforts were made to search 404 00:19:23,262 --> 00:19:25,130 the Sacramento airport. 405 00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:30,602 It was likely that he had left the airport in his car. 406 00:19:33,105 --> 00:19:34,406 - It was on the news all the time. 407 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,241 Nobody knew where he was. 408 00:19:36,275 --> 00:19:38,243 - It had all of the trappings 409 00:19:38,277 --> 00:19:41,413 that made it attractive for the national 410 00:19:41,447 --> 00:19:43,916 and even the international media. 411 00:19:43,949 --> 00:19:46,151 - It was "Dateline" and "48 Hours" 412 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,153 and in the news and the newspaper. 413 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:51,490 It was constant. 414 00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:54,293 - While investigators searched for Darren Mack, 415 00:19:54,326 --> 00:19:57,596 his eight-year-old daughter, Erika, was placed in the care 416 00:19:57,629 --> 00:20:01,066 of Darren's mother, Joan. 417 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:02,935 - His mother, Joan, she'd already gotten 418 00:20:02,968 --> 00:20:04,937 temporary custody by social services. 419 00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:08,941 And so I was terrified that he would sneak in 420 00:20:08,974 --> 00:20:12,077 and try to grab Erika. 421 00:20:12,111 --> 00:20:15,681 - As long as Mr. Mack remained a fugitive, 422 00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:18,584 there was reasonable apprehension 423 00:20:18,617 --> 00:20:21,353 that things might not end well, 424 00:20:21,387 --> 00:20:23,722 that Mr. Mack would use violence 425 00:20:23,756 --> 00:20:25,491 to avoid responsibility, 426 00:20:25,524 --> 00:20:28,327 to perhaps harm himself. 427 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,195 - I was afraid for his life. 428 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,898 I wanted him to come back and be responsible 429 00:20:32,931 --> 00:20:35,467 because the Darren I knew would be responsible. 430 00:20:40,005 --> 00:20:43,275 - So we enlisted members of the community, 431 00:20:43,308 --> 00:20:46,478 friends of Mr. Mack's, to make public appeals 432 00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:49,948 asking Mr. Mack to surrender himself. 433 00:20:49,982 --> 00:20:52,685 - And I'm begging him that if he hears this, 434 00:20:52,718 --> 00:20:56,989 if he's listening to this, to please contact us. 435 00:20:57,022 --> 00:20:58,323 He knows he could trust us. 436 00:20:58,357 --> 00:21:00,259 We will do anything to help him. 437 00:21:00,292 --> 00:21:01,860 We want to save his life. 438 00:21:03,696 --> 00:21:05,764 - We were inundated with tips. 439 00:21:05,798 --> 00:21:09,335 But one tip in specific really stood out to us was, 440 00:21:09,368 --> 00:21:11,970 an airline pilot had flown from Mexico 441 00:21:12,071 --> 00:21:15,074 back to the United States, seen the media coverage, 442 00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:17,076 and felt confident he had seen Mr. Mack 443 00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:19,845 at a resort in Mexico. 444 00:21:19,878 --> 00:21:22,081 - The FBI and Mexican authorities 445 00:21:22,081 --> 00:21:24,850 worked in connection to establish checkpoints 446 00:21:24,883 --> 00:21:27,419 in and around Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, 447 00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:30,422 searching hotels and buses in an attempt 448 00:21:30,456 --> 00:21:33,125 to track down Darren Mack. 449 00:21:33,158 --> 00:21:36,929 - He must have felt the walls closing in around him. 450 00:21:36,962 --> 00:21:39,865 [tense music] 451 00:21:39,898 --> 00:21:41,800 * * 452 00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:44,703 - Darren made telephone communications 453 00:21:44,737 --> 00:21:47,706 with the Washoe County district attorney at the time. 454 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:51,343 - He wanted, in my opinion, to try and sweeten the deal, 455 00:21:51,377 --> 00:21:53,412 if you will, for his return. 456 00:21:55,114 --> 00:21:57,716 - Included in Mr. Mack's demands to surrender, 457 00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:59,518 he demanded to speak to the media 458 00:21:59,551 --> 00:22:00,953 and talk about what he perceived 459 00:22:01,053 --> 00:22:03,055 were the injustices of the family court system 460 00:22:03,088 --> 00:22:04,289 and Judge Weller. 461 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,725 He also wanted to have a jail cell 462 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:10,529 with certain books and access to the internet. 463 00:22:10,562 --> 00:22:13,632 - I think he was trying to use his status 464 00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:17,870 as a fugitive to give him a greater audience. 465 00:22:17,903 --> 00:22:19,605 - He also wanted the death penalty. 466 00:22:19,638 --> 00:22:22,074 I believe that he saw himself as a martyr 467 00:22:22,107 --> 00:22:26,078 for the fathers who are in the family court system. 468 00:22:26,111 --> 00:22:28,747 - On June 21, 2006, 469 00:22:28,781 --> 00:22:31,083 after nearly ten days on the run, 470 00:22:31,116 --> 00:22:33,552 Darren Mack agreed to surrender himself 471 00:22:33,585 --> 00:22:35,421 to authorities at the consulate 472 00:22:35,454 --> 00:22:38,090 at Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. 473 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:41,527 - Even though he claimed that he wanted to turn himself in, 474 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,296 set up a turnover, Mr. Mack didn't show. 475 00:22:45,631 --> 00:22:48,434 - He failed to surrender as promised. 476 00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:51,103 Desperate people sometimes say things 477 00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:52,771 and then change their mind. 478 00:22:52,805 --> 00:22:54,406 - If he does call me back again, 479 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,474 we're going to have a little discussion 480 00:22:55,507 --> 00:22:56,608 about his credibility 481 00:22:56,642 --> 00:22:58,110 and just where we go from there. 482 00:22:58,143 --> 00:23:01,046 * * 483 00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:05,050 - It was so stressful for all those involved. 484 00:23:05,050 --> 00:23:07,086 - There were three families-- his family 485 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,822 and Charla's family and Judge Weller's family-- 486 00:23:09,855 --> 00:23:14,560 who are living this nightmare while all this tactical stuff 487 00:23:14,593 --> 00:23:17,062 was going on in the background 488 00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:21,133 and really couldn't even begin, in my view, to grieve 489 00:23:21,166 --> 00:23:24,970 because of this maelstrom being created to serve Darren Mack. 490 00:23:28,540 --> 00:23:30,776 - We're here to provide an update and information 491 00:23:30,809 --> 00:23:33,679 on the arrest of Darren Mack. 492 00:23:33,712 --> 00:23:35,781 Darren Roy Mack was apprehended 493 00:23:35,814 --> 00:23:37,549 in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, 494 00:23:37,583 --> 00:23:40,619 one day after he failed to meet a commitment he made 495 00:23:40,652 --> 00:23:42,688 to the Washoe County district attorney 496 00:23:42,721 --> 00:23:46,558 and to the Reno Police Department to turn himself in. 497 00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:48,694 - It had been a very long week and a half. 498 00:23:48,727 --> 00:23:50,596 I literally could not take a shower 499 00:23:50,629 --> 00:23:52,765 without my phone ringing two or three times. 500 00:23:52,798 --> 00:23:53,999 I was very relieved to know 501 00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:55,834 that he was taken into custody. 502 00:23:55,868 --> 00:23:57,836 * * 503 00:23:57,870 --> 00:24:00,673 - I was pleased when he was apprehended. 504 00:24:00,706 --> 00:24:05,544 Law enforcement told us that we were free to go home. 505 00:24:05,577 --> 00:24:07,079 - I was driving when I found out. 506 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:10,182 I got a phone call saying, "They got him." 507 00:24:10,215 --> 00:24:11,183 [camera shutter clicks] 508 00:24:11,216 --> 00:24:12,184 I pulled over. 509 00:24:12,217 --> 00:24:13,852 I pulled over and cried. 510 00:24:13,886 --> 00:24:16,922 It was a lot, a lot of emotion 511 00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:19,358 and a lot of, "So now what do we do? 512 00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:31,871 [dramatic sting] 513 00:24:38,912 --> 00:24:41,715 - Mr. Mack's extradition process was streamlined 514 00:24:41,748 --> 00:24:44,751 by his defense attorneys. 515 00:24:44,784 --> 00:24:48,188 - When taken into custody, Darren Mack still had 516 00:24:48,221 --> 00:24:51,291 a substantial amount of money. 517 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:52,926 - $40,000 in cash. 518 00:24:52,959 --> 00:24:54,794 I remember thinking, Mr. Mack complained 519 00:24:54,828 --> 00:24:56,329 that he didn't have enough money to make 520 00:24:56,363 --> 00:25:00,100 temporary support to Charla of $10,000 a month, 521 00:25:00,133 --> 00:25:03,136 and yet, on a moment's notice, put together 40 grand in cash 522 00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:06,539 pretty easily to take it to Mexico. 523 00:25:06,573 --> 00:25:09,075 - In addition, Mr. Mack had the benefit 524 00:25:09,109 --> 00:25:14,180 of the finest legal defense in the country. 525 00:25:14,214 --> 00:25:17,384 - I mean, he hired two of the preeminent defense attorneys, 526 00:25:17,417 --> 00:25:18,785 certainly in the state of Nevada 527 00:25:18,818 --> 00:25:20,754 and probably on the West Coast, 528 00:25:20,787 --> 00:25:22,922 Scott Freeman and David Chesnoff. 529 00:25:22,956 --> 00:25:26,226 I'm sure their fee exceeded a million dollars. 530 00:25:26,259 --> 00:25:30,630 I was most curious to see what the defense was going to be. 531 00:25:38,104 --> 00:25:40,940 - Mr. Mack was charged with Charla's murder 532 00:25:40,974 --> 00:25:42,742 and the attempted murder of Judge Weller 533 00:25:42,776 --> 00:25:46,112 and pled not guilty. 534 00:25:46,146 --> 00:25:48,148 - I wasn't surprised when he first entered pleas 535 00:25:48,181 --> 00:25:49,082 of not guilty. 536 00:25:49,082 --> 00:25:50,650 I knew, at the outset, he would angle 537 00:25:50,684 --> 00:25:52,585 for the best deal he could get. 538 00:25:54,287 --> 00:25:57,257 - Based on all of the physical evidence, 539 00:25:57,290 --> 00:26:03,463 Mr. Mack's legal representation had very few viable defenses. 540 00:26:04,197 --> 00:26:06,599 - We got his shoes that had blood spatter on them 541 00:26:06,633 --> 00:26:08,535 that came back to Charla. 542 00:26:08,568 --> 00:26:11,671 - Evidence of his physical presence at the crime scene 543 00:26:11,705 --> 00:26:15,041 was so overwhelming that I don't know 544 00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:17,477 what other options realistically 545 00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:19,746 Mr. Mack had to pursue. 546 00:26:19,779 --> 00:26:24,217 Self-defense is at least a viable legal defense. 547 00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:27,620 - It's ludicrous to me. 548 00:26:27,654 --> 00:26:29,289 The only fear that he had of her 549 00:26:29,322 --> 00:26:32,058 was her taking his money. 550 00:26:36,229 --> 00:26:38,298 - In order to find impartial jurors, 551 00:26:38,331 --> 00:26:40,567 the trial was moved to Las Vegas. 552 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,872 And on October 24, 2007, all eyes were on Darren Mack 553 00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:47,774 as the state delivered its case 554 00:26:47,807 --> 00:26:49,743 in the murder of Charla Mack 555 00:26:49,776 --> 00:26:52,312 and in the shooting of Judge Weller. 556 00:26:52,345 --> 00:26:54,247 - What made the Mack divorce different, 557 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,617 if there was a difference, was the amount of money involved. 558 00:26:57,650 --> 00:27:00,053 - The prosecution detailed in their opening statement 559 00:27:00,086 --> 00:27:05,025 that what motivated this murder was Mr. Mack's displeasure 560 00:27:05,058 --> 00:27:06,526 with the money that he was going to be 561 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,896 forced to pay in the divorce. 562 00:27:09,929 --> 00:27:11,731 - One of the main points of contention 563 00:27:11,765 --> 00:27:13,500 during the divorce was Darren Mack's income. 564 00:27:13,533 --> 00:27:16,336 He owned 51% of Palace Jewelry and Loan. 565 00:27:16,369 --> 00:27:18,505 Midway through the divorce, he transferred 566 00:27:18,538 --> 00:27:20,206 ownership back to his mother. 567 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,944 He claimed to be making $44,000 a month prior to the divorce. 568 00:27:25,045 --> 00:27:26,680 And then midway through the divorce, 569 00:27:26,713 --> 00:27:28,348 he filed papers saying he was simply an employee 570 00:27:28,381 --> 00:27:31,217 making a $5,000 a month salary. 571 00:27:31,251 --> 00:27:33,219 Judge Weller could see very clearly 572 00:27:33,253 --> 00:27:35,221 through the games Darren Mack was playing 573 00:27:35,255 --> 00:27:37,190 that he was trying to hide income. 574 00:27:37,223 --> 00:27:39,192 - He believed the system was unconstitutional. 575 00:27:39,225 --> 00:27:41,227 Judge Weller was being unfair to him. 576 00:27:41,261 --> 00:27:44,597 The defendant's frustration and anger grew. 577 00:27:44,631 --> 00:27:45,965 Darren Mack had a problem. 578 00:27:46,066 --> 00:27:48,335 He found a solution to his problem. 579 00:27:48,368 --> 00:27:51,771 Darren Mack ambushed his soon-to-be ex-wife 580 00:27:51,805 --> 00:27:53,073 with a knife. 581 00:27:53,073 --> 00:27:55,709 And her death was neither sudden nor painless. 582 00:27:55,742 --> 00:27:58,078 It was personal. 583 00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:00,714 - It becomes clear in the opening statements 584 00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:04,384 that the defense is going to run a defense on two paths, 585 00:28:04,417 --> 00:28:07,220 because, remember, there were two crime scenes 586 00:28:07,253 --> 00:28:09,089 and two victims. 587 00:28:09,122 --> 00:28:11,925 To the killing of Charla and in support 588 00:28:12,025 --> 00:28:14,728 of this self-defense theory came a claim 589 00:28:14,761 --> 00:28:17,030 of Charla's violent tendencies, 590 00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:18,531 that she had been physically violent. 591 00:28:18,565 --> 00:28:21,401 - Darren was not aware of the dark side of Charla 592 00:28:21,434 --> 00:28:22,669 prior to marriage. 593 00:28:22,702 --> 00:28:24,571 He also was not aware of her ability 594 00:28:24,604 --> 00:28:26,239 to be physically violent 595 00:28:26,272 --> 00:28:28,808 and physically abusive towards Darren. 596 00:28:30,443 --> 00:28:33,046 - The hardest part was listening 597 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,115 to Darren's defense attorneys 598 00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:38,084 talk about how horrible Charla was. 599 00:28:38,118 --> 00:28:39,953 You know, I mean, she wasn't an angel, 600 00:28:40,053 --> 00:28:43,757 but she definitely wasn't what they depicted her to be. 601 00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:46,059 - Mr. Mack claimed that he had been 602 00:28:46,059 --> 00:28:48,361 the victim of many incidents as a domestic battery, 603 00:28:48,395 --> 00:28:50,563 and especially in one incident that Charla Mack, 604 00:28:50,597 --> 00:28:52,065 in a fit of rage, had kicked him 605 00:28:52,065 --> 00:28:55,602 and broken his finger at a karate practice. 606 00:28:55,635 --> 00:28:57,437 - Darren and Charla were very passionate. 607 00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:59,339 They loved and fought. 608 00:28:59,372 --> 00:29:03,443 And nobody pushes your buttons like your spouse. 609 00:29:03,476 --> 00:29:05,645 And she was not immune to that. 610 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:07,681 She gave as good as she got. 611 00:29:09,282 --> 00:29:11,017 - She would call me and tell me how-- 612 00:29:11,017 --> 00:29:13,653 the different ways that she talked back to him, 613 00:29:13,687 --> 00:29:15,422 mocking him at times. 614 00:29:15,455 --> 00:29:18,191 And I think that she just infuriated him. 615 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,429 - During the investigation, we learned 616 00:29:22,462 --> 00:29:26,099 that Darren Mack had been accused of violence 617 00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:28,735 in their relationship. 618 00:29:28,768 --> 00:29:31,471 - Law enforcement was called to the Mack mansion 619 00:29:31,504 --> 00:29:35,041 where both parties alleged domestic abuse. 620 00:29:35,041 --> 00:29:37,677 - Charla did call me and tell me he choked her, 621 00:29:37,711 --> 00:29:38,845 and she was really scared. 622 00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:41,348 She was sobbing on the phone. 623 00:29:41,381 --> 00:29:43,216 - Charla Mack was a very small woman. 624 00:29:43,249 --> 00:29:45,785 Darren Mack was a large bodybuilding male. 625 00:29:45,819 --> 00:29:48,855 But he claimed that Charla Mack had been the primary aggressor 626 00:29:48,888 --> 00:29:50,924 and that he was the victim. 627 00:29:50,957 --> 00:29:52,692 - You see, ladies and gentlemen, 628 00:29:52,726 --> 00:29:55,228 Charla has a pattern of behavior. 629 00:29:55,261 --> 00:29:58,298 Some call it borderline personality disorder. 630 00:29:58,331 --> 00:30:01,835 She could be kind and giving in public. 631 00:30:01,868 --> 00:30:04,804 She could be violent and abusive at home. 632 00:30:04,838 --> 00:30:07,273 It was too much for Darren to take. 633 00:30:07,307 --> 00:30:09,042 - The defense claimed that Darren started 634 00:30:09,075 --> 00:30:10,977 carrying a gun on his person 635 00:30:11,011 --> 00:30:15,115 when he had interactions with Mrs. Mack. 636 00:30:15,148 --> 00:30:17,183 - He was claiming he was afraid 637 00:30:17,217 --> 00:30:19,519 of what she was going to do to him. 638 00:30:19,552 --> 00:30:22,856 - The defense said that Charla had been so horrific 639 00:30:22,889 --> 00:30:24,958 that it just wore on Darren 640 00:30:24,991 --> 00:30:27,093 and wore on Darren like a rubber band. 641 00:30:36,436 --> 00:30:39,039 [somber music] 642 00:30:39,305 --> 00:30:41,941 * * 643 00:30:41,975 --> 00:30:45,111 - This was our Montessori school's auction. 644 00:30:45,145 --> 00:30:47,280 We were a little bit of the Three Musketeers, you know? 645 00:30:47,313 --> 00:30:50,083 And honestly, I felt like we were just getting started. 646 00:30:50,116 --> 00:30:52,118 - So I wanted to be at the trial every day. 647 00:30:52,152 --> 00:30:54,087 I know you couldn't go. 648 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,456 It was quite the event just to sit there every day 649 00:30:56,489 --> 00:31:00,460 and listen to all these things, all these lies, all these-- 650 00:31:00,493 --> 00:31:02,562 - Did you hear things that were disturbing 651 00:31:02,595 --> 00:31:03,830 that you didn't know? 652 00:31:03,863 --> 00:31:05,065 - I didn't hear a lot I didn't know, 653 00:31:05,065 --> 00:31:07,667 but I heard a lot I didn't believe. 654 00:31:08,468 --> 00:31:13,073 - On October 24, 2007, Darren Mack's attorneys 655 00:31:13,073 --> 00:31:14,808 presented in their opening statements 656 00:31:14,841 --> 00:31:16,443 what they claim happened 657 00:31:16,476 --> 00:31:19,746 on the morning of June 12, 2006. 658 00:31:19,779 --> 00:31:22,449 - Charla was supposed to bring Erika over at about 9:00, 659 00:31:22,482 --> 00:31:25,652 but Charla also wanted to discuss 660 00:31:25,685 --> 00:31:26,953 settling the divorce. 661 00:31:26,986 --> 00:31:28,988 - Darren's attorneys would say 662 00:31:29,089 --> 00:31:31,191 that Darren brought a knife and a gun 663 00:31:31,224 --> 00:31:33,493 to this meeting with Charla. 664 00:31:33,526 --> 00:31:36,262 - Darren said she walked up to him 665 00:31:36,296 --> 00:31:38,798 and slapped him across the face and said, 666 00:31:38,832 --> 00:31:40,900 "Darren, give me my money." 667 00:31:40,934 --> 00:31:44,004 - "Darren, drop the appeal," says Charla. 668 00:31:44,104 --> 00:31:46,139 'Make your mother pay me. 669 00:31:46,172 --> 00:31:49,309 You know you owe me what I deserve." 670 00:31:49,342 --> 00:31:50,810 - As they're having an argument, 671 00:31:50,844 --> 00:31:52,145 she hits him on the head, 672 00:31:52,178 --> 00:31:54,514 causing the gun to fall out of his pants. 673 00:31:54,547 --> 00:31:59,652 - Charla looks at the gun, pulls the hammer back, 674 00:31:59,686 --> 00:32:02,822 smiles, and fires. 675 00:32:02,856 --> 00:32:04,391 - But it misfires. 676 00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:06,860 - Darren thinks he's been shot. He's not. 677 00:32:06,893 --> 00:32:09,129 Charla starts to cock the hammer again. 678 00:32:09,162 --> 00:32:11,498 Darren knew he was going to die. 679 00:32:11,531 --> 00:32:15,068 - So he's forced to stab her to death. 680 00:32:15,068 --> 00:32:17,871 He acted in self-defense. 681 00:32:17,904 --> 00:32:20,674 - But an autopsy was performed on Charla Mack's body, 682 00:32:20,707 --> 00:32:23,410 and she had several defensive injuries-- 683 00:32:23,443 --> 00:32:26,079 a stab wound to her calf, very consistent 684 00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:27,547 with somebody who's on the ground, 685 00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:29,082 kicking at her attacker. 686 00:32:29,115 --> 00:32:31,084 She also had defensive wounds to her hands 687 00:32:31,084 --> 00:32:32,385 and to her forearms as she was trying 688 00:32:32,419 --> 00:32:37,390 to parry off those stabbing blows. 689 00:32:37,424 --> 00:32:40,226 - With the physical evidence on their side, 690 00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:43,530 prosecutors made their case against Darren Mack 691 00:32:43,563 --> 00:32:46,366 for the shooting of Judge Weller. 692 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:48,735 - After he actually followed through 693 00:32:48,768 --> 00:32:50,103 with killing Charla Mack, 694 00:32:50,103 --> 00:32:51,705 I believe that he fully intended 695 00:32:51,738 --> 00:32:56,910 to drive to the parking garage to try to kill Judge Weller. 696 00:32:56,943 --> 00:32:58,211 - During the trial, 697 00:32:58,244 --> 00:33:01,214 they showed video footage of Darren 698 00:33:01,247 --> 00:33:05,051 driving a rental car into the parking garage 699 00:33:05,051 --> 00:33:06,519 across from the courthouse. 700 00:33:08,788 --> 00:33:12,492 - Behind me is the Mills Lane Justice Center. 701 00:33:12,525 --> 00:33:14,694 The surveillance footage was very important. 702 00:33:14,728 --> 00:33:18,231 Darren Mack arrived here at about 10:42 in the morning. 703 00:33:18,264 --> 00:33:20,400 He obtained a ticket at the gate, 704 00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:23,269 drove up to the fifth floor, and then backed the vehicle in 705 00:33:23,303 --> 00:33:25,605 so the rear of the vehicle was facing 706 00:33:25,638 --> 00:33:27,273 the Mills Lane Justice Center. 707 00:33:27,307 --> 00:33:30,076 At about 11:05 a.m. is when we began getting 708 00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:31,578 reports of the shooting. 709 00:33:31,611 --> 00:33:33,613 And at about 11:06, surveillance cameras show 710 00:33:33,646 --> 00:33:35,815 the rear hatch of the Explorer being closed 711 00:33:35,849 --> 00:33:38,451 and the Explorer leaving the parking garage. 712 00:33:39,953 --> 00:33:41,287 - Who fired the bullet? 713 00:33:41,321 --> 00:33:42,622 Well, if there's a common denominator 714 00:33:42,655 --> 00:33:45,892 between Charla Mack and Judge Weller, 715 00:33:45,925 --> 00:33:47,394 it's the defendant, Darren Mack. 716 00:33:49,095 --> 00:33:51,998 - The judicial system, the third branch 717 00:33:52,098 --> 00:33:56,636 of the American government, is larger than the interests 718 00:33:56,670 --> 00:33:58,571 of any one individual. 719 00:33:58,605 --> 00:34:02,475 And so no violent person, no judge 720 00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:04,044 should ever think that they have 721 00:34:04,044 --> 00:34:06,312 the ability to change the operation 722 00:34:06,346 --> 00:34:08,114 of the judicial system. 723 00:34:08,148 --> 00:34:10,316 We're servants of the judicial system. 724 00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:14,621 - There is no defense to the shooting, right? 725 00:34:14,654 --> 00:34:15,889 There's no imminent need. 726 00:34:15,922 --> 00:34:17,557 There's no, "Some other dude did it." 727 00:34:17,590 --> 00:34:20,060 There's no other real defense to the shooting 728 00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:22,262 other than he didn't have the intent. 729 00:34:22,295 --> 00:34:23,963 And you get that one of two ways-- 730 00:34:24,064 --> 00:34:26,666 he either didn't formulate or he couldn't formulate it 731 00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:29,669 because he was "temporarily" out of his mind. 732 00:34:29,703 --> 00:34:33,807 - At the time of the shooting of Judge Weller, 733 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,143 you will find that Darren Mack was suffering 734 00:34:37,177 --> 00:34:40,146 from delusional disorder. 735 00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:44,517 - The defense claimed that he, as a result of the attack 736 00:34:44,551 --> 00:34:49,089 that he faced with Charla Mack, had a moment of insanity 737 00:34:49,089 --> 00:34:52,225 when he went and shot Judge Weller. 738 00:34:52,258 --> 00:34:56,196 - Everything is happening basically on automatic pilot, 739 00:34:56,229 --> 00:34:59,299 which is consistent with somebody 740 00:34:59,332 --> 00:35:01,267 suffering from the delusions 741 00:35:01,301 --> 00:35:03,703 that Darren Mack was suffering from 742 00:35:03,737 --> 00:35:07,707 at the time that he went and shot Judge Weller. 743 00:35:09,342 --> 00:35:11,211 - I thought his defense was clever 744 00:35:11,244 --> 00:35:13,847 because it would allow them to attack 745 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,584 both, from a self-defense perspective, the murder 746 00:35:17,617 --> 00:35:21,087 and to have a defense to the shooting. 747 00:35:21,121 --> 00:35:23,289 But there was a mountain of evidence, 748 00:35:23,323 --> 00:35:26,626 including a to-do list in the defendant's own hand, 749 00:35:26,659 --> 00:35:29,829 that corroborated the sequence of events that had occurred 750 00:35:29,863 --> 00:35:31,531 on the day of the crimes. 751 00:35:31,564 --> 00:35:34,968 So this was a very difficult case to defend. 752 00:35:35,068 --> 00:35:37,337 - And there is only so much even the best attorneys 753 00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:39,773 in the world can do under our system. 754 00:35:41,274 --> 00:35:45,078 [tense music] 755 00:35:45,078 --> 00:35:46,546 - I received a telephone call 756 00:35:46,579 --> 00:35:49,182 that the defense had approached the prosecution 757 00:35:49,215 --> 00:35:50,650 with a possible plea deal. 758 00:35:50,684 --> 00:35:53,420 If we drop the deadly weapon enhancement, 759 00:35:53,453 --> 00:35:57,724 Mr. Mack was willing to plead to first-degree murder, 760 00:35:57,757 --> 00:36:00,193 as well as attempted murder with the use of a deadly weapon 761 00:36:00,226 --> 00:36:03,730 on Judge Weller, which would save Mr. Mack 762 00:36:03,763 --> 00:36:06,399 about 20 years' worth of sentence. 763 00:36:06,433 --> 00:36:08,902 - I was gobsmacked Monday morning 764 00:36:08,935 --> 00:36:11,771 when they announced that a deal had been struck 765 00:36:11,805 --> 00:36:14,407 and that he was going to enter a plea of guilty. 766 00:36:14,441 --> 00:36:16,743 I was gobsmacked. 767 00:36:16,776 --> 00:36:20,413 - He changed his not guilty plea to a guilty plea 768 00:36:20,447 --> 00:36:23,783 and didn't present any defense in the courtroom. 769 00:36:23,817 --> 00:36:27,120 - All right, as to count one, murder of the first degree, 770 00:36:27,153 --> 00:36:28,955 it's my understanding, Mr. Mack, 771 00:36:29,055 --> 00:36:32,525 that on June 12th of 2006, 772 00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,395 you willfully, feloniously, and without authority of law 773 00:36:35,428 --> 00:36:37,831 stabbed into the body of Charla Mack, 774 00:36:37,864 --> 00:36:39,065 causing her death. 775 00:36:39,065 --> 00:36:40,300 Is that correct? - That's correct. 776 00:36:40,333 --> 00:36:42,769 - And as to count two, it's my understanding 777 00:36:42,802 --> 00:36:45,438 that willfully, unlawfully, and without authority of law, 778 00:36:45,472 --> 00:36:47,307 you shot Judge Weller with a firearm. 779 00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:48,708 - That's correct. 780 00:36:51,144 --> 00:36:52,645 - I was just in shock. 781 00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:57,484 He had gone from being this reasonable, calm, 782 00:36:57,517 --> 00:36:59,619 collected, successful person 783 00:36:59,652 --> 00:37:03,656 to someone who would kill somebody. 784 00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:06,092 - Unfortunately, that November 5th day 785 00:37:06,126 --> 00:37:07,761 was not the end of the Mack trial. 786 00:37:09,629 --> 00:37:12,232 - Fairly soon after he struck that plea deal, 787 00:37:12,265 --> 00:37:15,301 he fired Mr. Chesnoff and Mr. Freeman. 788 00:37:15,335 --> 00:37:17,637 He claimed his defense attorneys had 789 00:37:17,671 --> 00:37:20,507 overborne his will, basically pestered him, 790 00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:24,144 and he was unable to freely, knowingly, and intelligently 791 00:37:24,177 --> 00:37:25,679 enter a plea of guilty. 792 00:37:25,712 --> 00:37:27,514 Hired a new attorney, William Routsis, 793 00:37:27,547 --> 00:37:29,683 and sought to withdraw his plea. 794 00:37:29,716 --> 00:37:31,418 - I really think that he's narcissistic 795 00:37:31,451 --> 00:37:34,688 and thinks he's smarter than Freeman and Chesnoff. 796 00:37:34,721 --> 00:37:38,958 He's a little bit delusional about how life is. 797 00:37:39,059 --> 00:37:41,528 - He reminds me of a little kid having a tantrum. 798 00:37:41,561 --> 00:37:43,296 He doesn't like the outcome. 799 00:37:43,329 --> 00:37:45,065 "Fire all those people. 800 00:37:45,065 --> 00:37:46,766 We're going to try again." 801 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,337 - And he wanted to get on the stand 802 00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:52,839 to tell the world his story. 803 00:37:52,872 --> 00:37:55,508 - I've remained quiet through this whole thing, 804 00:37:55,542 --> 00:37:57,877 and now I would like to come forward and speak 805 00:37:57,911 --> 00:37:59,312 because there's some very important things 806 00:37:59,346 --> 00:38:01,848 I would like to share. 807 00:38:09,656 --> 00:38:13,526 - On January 16, 2008, Darren Mack took the stand 808 00:38:14,427 --> 00:38:16,196 to decide whether he would be allowed 809 00:38:16,229 --> 00:38:18,398 to withdraw his guilty plea. 810 00:38:21,568 --> 00:38:22,802 - Please raise your right hand. 811 00:38:28,408 --> 00:38:30,477 - Thank you. Please have a seat. 812 00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:32,245 - It's generally not a good idea 813 00:38:32,278 --> 00:38:34,547 for a guilty defendant to take the stand. 814 00:38:34,581 --> 00:38:36,549 But he felt he needed to make 815 00:38:36,583 --> 00:38:38,251 some kind of statement to the court. 816 00:38:38,284 --> 00:38:42,522 - Charla had threatened my life numerous, numerous times, 817 00:38:42,555 --> 00:38:44,090 as well as attacking me. 818 00:38:44,124 --> 00:38:45,792 What happened was--is, 819 00:38:45,825 --> 00:38:47,394 after she was trying to kill me, 820 00:38:47,427 --> 00:38:49,896 we both went to the ground. 821 00:38:49,929 --> 00:38:52,465 She then got stabbed. 822 00:38:52,499 --> 00:38:54,467 And you got to understand the state of mind. 823 00:38:54,501 --> 00:38:57,070 It was an instinct. 824 00:38:57,070 --> 00:38:58,405 But the thing you don't-- 825 00:38:58,438 --> 00:39:00,540 a lot of people don't recognize-- 826 00:39:00,573 --> 00:39:03,276 I lost a wife too. 827 00:39:03,309 --> 00:39:06,079 And even though that this happened, 828 00:39:06,112 --> 00:39:07,213 I still love Charla. 829 00:39:07,247 --> 00:39:10,750 I just couldn't live with her, and I was afraid of her. 830 00:39:10,784 --> 00:39:15,088 - Mr. Mack's narcissistic mindset really showed through 831 00:39:15,121 --> 00:39:17,590 in that hearing when he took the stand 832 00:39:17,624 --> 00:39:19,159 and talked about being the victim. 833 00:39:19,192 --> 00:39:21,594 It was just unfathomable to me 834 00:39:21,628 --> 00:39:25,031 to listen to his perceptions of the process. 835 00:39:28,034 --> 00:39:29,936 At the conclusion of that hearing, 836 00:39:30,036 --> 00:39:32,372 Judge Herndon ruled that Mr. Mack 837 00:39:32,405 --> 00:39:35,375 knowingly and voluntarily entered his plea 838 00:39:35,408 --> 00:39:39,879 and denied his motion to withdraw his guilty plea. 839 00:39:39,913 --> 00:39:42,816 [somber music] 840 00:39:42,849 --> 00:39:45,418 * * 841 00:39:45,452 --> 00:39:47,754 - It's time set for the court to address 842 00:39:47,787 --> 00:39:49,756 the sentencing of Mr. Mack. 843 00:39:49,789 --> 00:39:52,192 This case, in my mind, obviously cries out 844 00:39:52,225 --> 00:39:53,827 for incarceration, and the defendant 845 00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:57,797 is going to be incarcerated for a very long time. 846 00:39:57,831 --> 00:40:00,166 - Mr. Mack was sentenced to the maximum 847 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,303 on first-degree murder of life with the possibility 848 00:40:03,336 --> 00:40:04,971 of parole after 20 years. 849 00:40:05,005 --> 00:40:07,107 That sentence is to be served consecutive 850 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:09,476 to the attempted murder charge of Judge Weller. 851 00:40:09,509 --> 00:40:11,911 So in total, under Nevada law, 852 00:40:11,945 --> 00:40:16,149 Mr. Mack would have to do a minimum of 36 years 853 00:40:16,182 --> 00:40:18,318 before he could actually walk the streets 854 00:40:18,351 --> 00:40:19,953 as a free man again. 855 00:40:23,023 --> 00:40:26,126 - After Judge Herndon gave him the maximum sentence, 856 00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:27,894 Darren was in shackles. 857 00:40:27,927 --> 00:40:30,397 And he's walking by all the people 858 00:40:30,430 --> 00:40:32,766 that he had known in his life and his children 859 00:40:32,799 --> 00:40:37,637 and his mother, and this is the end of his life 860 00:40:37,671 --> 00:40:39,339 as he'll ever know it. 861 00:40:39,372 --> 00:40:42,509 * * 862 00:40:42,542 --> 00:40:45,879 And it brought me a sense of peace. 863 00:40:51,051 --> 00:40:54,554 - In addition to the criminal charges, 864 00:40:54,587 --> 00:40:57,390 the estate of Charla Mack initiated 865 00:40:57,424 --> 00:40:59,693 a wrongful death suit in civil court 866 00:40:59,726 --> 00:41:01,895 against Mr. Mack. 867 00:41:03,063 --> 00:41:06,066 - When I say what I do matters to me, 868 00:41:06,099 --> 00:41:07,634 the reason I went to law school 869 00:41:07,667 --> 00:41:09,936 was cases like this. 870 00:41:09,969 --> 00:41:13,540 Really, the theme is that, by killing Charla, 871 00:41:13,573 --> 00:41:16,276 Darren stole what should have been the happiness 872 00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:19,713 and the fairy tale of this child's life from her 873 00:41:19,746 --> 00:41:21,748 because he took not only her mother 874 00:41:21,781 --> 00:41:25,151 but, of course, himself by that act. 875 00:41:27,987 --> 00:41:30,190 - Ultimately, her estate prevailed, 876 00:41:30,223 --> 00:41:35,562 and there was a judgment of approximately $590 million 877 00:41:35,595 --> 00:41:37,564 against Mr. Mack 878 00:41:37,597 --> 00:41:40,433 for the wrongful death of his wife. 879 00:41:41,835 --> 00:41:44,804 - I was glad of the reward. 880 00:41:44,838 --> 00:41:46,373 A little girl lost her mother. 881 00:41:46,406 --> 00:41:48,241 She's growing up without parents. 882 00:41:48,274 --> 00:41:51,211 She deserved every penny. 883 00:41:51,244 --> 00:41:53,580 - There was also a final order struck 884 00:41:53,613 --> 00:41:56,416 between family members related to the care, 885 00:41:56,449 --> 00:41:58,885 custody, and control of Erika. 886 00:41:58,918 --> 00:42:02,288 And the result is that Erika then lived 887 00:42:02,322 --> 00:42:04,391 primarily with Soorya Townley. 888 00:42:04,424 --> 00:42:07,761 * * 889 00:42:07,794 --> 00:42:09,429 - This is not a unique story. 890 00:42:09,462 --> 00:42:13,133 This is just a story that I personally knew the people. 891 00:42:13,166 --> 00:42:14,501 And it's still tragic. 892 00:42:14,534 --> 00:42:18,071 And it's still heartbreaking. 893 00:42:19,706 --> 00:42:21,241 - You think about a lot of us, hopefully, 894 00:42:21,274 --> 00:42:24,110 we'll have the luxury of being surrounded by people 895 00:42:24,144 --> 00:42:25,211 who love us when we die. 896 00:42:25,245 --> 00:42:30,817 And she didn't get that luxury of dying with love. 897 00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:34,754 She died in pain and terror. 898 00:42:34,788 --> 00:42:36,923 And that haunts me. 899 00:42:36,956 --> 00:42:40,326 And it's very, very difficult to let go. 900 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,932 * * 901 00:42:45,965 --> 00:42:48,168 - Justice is a very difficult word. 902 00:42:48,201 --> 00:42:52,706 I believe that law and order was served justly. 903 00:42:52,739 --> 00:42:56,142 But I suspect that the Charla Mack family 904 00:42:56,176 --> 00:42:59,112 and Judge Weller may not see it that way. 905 00:42:59,112 --> 00:43:02,048 To the Charla Mack family or to Judge Weller, 906 00:43:02,048 --> 00:43:04,818 justice would be bringing their loved ones back 907 00:43:04,851 --> 00:43:07,554 and to removing that day from their lives. 908 00:43:07,587 --> 00:43:09,155 The criminal justice system doesn't have 909 00:43:09,189 --> 00:43:11,958 the ability to do that. 910 00:43:12,058 --> 00:43:14,160 - I've been a judge for 17 years 911 00:43:14,194 --> 00:43:17,564 since this event occurred. 912 00:43:17,597 --> 00:43:20,066 I've raised my children. They're successful. 913 00:43:22,202 --> 00:43:24,938 I try to have as normal a life as I can. 914 00:43:28,341 --> 00:43:30,510 - You think you have eternity to be together, 915 00:43:30,543 --> 00:43:32,178 and then you realize, you know... 916 00:43:32,212 --> 00:43:35,181 [chuckles] 917 00:43:35,215 --> 00:43:37,317 Hold on to your children.