1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,908                ♪ 2 00:00:07,941 --> 00:00:10,544      [News] Ontario's chief        coroner announced an inquest 3 00:00:10,577 --> 00:00:14,514     today into the deaths of        seven aboriginal students. 4 00:00:14,548 --> 00:00:17,217     [Ryan McMahon] It's the        fall of 2015 in Thunder Bay, 5 00:00:17,250 --> 00:00:19,519    and the hope that the Youth      Inquest will make the city 6 00:00:19,553 --> 00:00:23,824       safer for Indigenous             children is palpable. 7 00:00:23,857 --> 00:00:25,392    It's a very important day, 8 00:00:25,425 --> 00:00:29,196     not just for these seven           families, but for... 9 00:00:29,229 --> 00:00:31,832    all the families that send         their students here to 10 00:00:31,865 --> 00:00:34,735       Thunder Bay for high             school and college. 11 00:00:34,768 --> 00:00:37,738             Finally,                  the deaths will end... 12 00:00:37,771 --> 00:00:40,574      the police will own up             to their mistakes, 13 00:00:40,607 --> 00:00:44,177   and life will be better for                                 In. 14 00:00:44,211 --> 00:00:47,214      I was like, things are             gonna change now. 15 00:00:47,247 --> 00:00:49,182       For sure, this time,                  for sure. 16 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:51,084                ♪ 17 00:00:51,118 --> 00:00:53,186              Right? 18 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:58,091     But instead, the inquest       turns into a total dead end. 19 00:00:58,125 --> 00:01:00,927     It became very apparent          that we were not going 20 00:01:00,961 --> 00:01:02,796   to know the means of death. 21 00:01:02,829 --> 00:01:04,698      There was no evidence            there because of the 22 00:01:04,731 --> 00:01:08,769      lack of investigation,               in large part. 23 00:01:08,802 --> 00:01:12,773       The level of police           incompetence that attaches 24 00:01:12,806 --> 00:01:17,611    to these investigations is         why this is happening. 25 00:01:17,644 --> 00:01:20,881       Then, just two weeks              into the inquest, 26 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:25,051      another Indigenous body          is pulled from a river. 27 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:26,887       And less than a year              after the inquest 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,724         comes to an end,                    two more. 29 00:01:30,757 --> 00:01:34,161       The police knew they             were being watched. 30 00:01:34,194 --> 00:01:38,465   The inquest was about this! 31 00:01:38,498 --> 00:01:41,168    An inquest that was being         convened because of the 32 00:01:41,201 --> 00:01:44,838     incompetence of how the         Thunder Bay Police Service 33 00:01:44,871 --> 00:01:49,609     investigates Indigenous         deaths down by the rivers. 34 00:01:49,643 --> 00:01:51,845       In all three cases,             the police come to the 35 00:01:51,878 --> 00:01:56,316         same conclusion:             they were just accidents. 36 00:01:56,349 --> 00:01:59,085   There is no evidence to link       another person or group 37 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:01,822     as being responsible for           the deaths of either 38 00:02:01,855 --> 00:02:04,925          Tammy Keeash                    or Josiah Begg. 39 00:02:04,958 --> 00:02:06,960       The evidence that's           available to officers and 40 00:02:06,993 --> 00:02:08,962      our investigators are               not suspicious. 41 00:02:08,995 --> 00:02:12,265       I thought to myself,             "Here we go again." 42 00:02:12,299 --> 00:02:14,835         "No evidence of                potential foul play. 43 00:02:14,868 --> 00:02:17,838      Don't worry, everyone              go home." Right? 44 00:02:17,871 --> 00:02:21,141        Like I said before,                I'm no Columbo. 45 00:02:21,174 --> 00:02:23,043      I never thought I would             find the killers 46 00:02:23,076 --> 00:02:24,878      when no one else could. 47 00:02:24,911 --> 00:02:27,781     Too much time has passed. 48 00:02:27,814 --> 00:02:31,051    But, what I am gonna do is      shift my focus to those that 49 00:02:31,084 --> 00:02:33,486        should have solved                 those crimes, 50 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,488      and why they didn't... 51 00:02:35,522 --> 00:02:38,491             the cops. 52 00:02:38,525 --> 00:02:40,627       No foul play, my ass. 53 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:42,629                ♪ 54 00:02:42,662 --> 00:02:52,672        [Rolling thunder] 55 00:03:00,113 --> 00:03:03,750                ♪ 56 00:03:03,783 --> 00:03:06,186        Every time I come               back to Thunder Bay, 57 00:03:06,219 --> 00:03:08,588     I get the same question: 58 00:03:08,622 --> 00:03:11,258      What was the flashpoint         moment where you thought, 59 00:03:11,291 --> 00:03:14,194     "I need to make a podcast      about what's happening here"? 60 00:03:14,227 --> 00:03:17,564                ♪ 61 00:03:17,597 --> 00:03:19,065        And I always say... 62 00:03:19,099 --> 00:03:21,735       that this would have              to be that moment. 63 00:03:21,768 --> 00:03:24,237             [Sirens] 64 00:03:24,271 --> 00:03:28,942                ♪ 65 00:03:28,975 --> 00:03:33,413        It was about 9:45                 in the morning. 66 00:03:33,446 --> 00:03:35,682      And, I was at my desk, 67 00:03:35,715 --> 00:03:38,084       more or less ready              to start my news day. 68 00:03:38,118 --> 00:03:39,386         [Police radio]               He's clear for warrant. 69 00:03:39,419 --> 00:03:40,487    He's got nine pages of... 70 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,890   And we have the police radio        in the office cranked 71 00:03:43,924 --> 00:03:46,860          at all times,                because in this city, 72 00:03:46,893 --> 00:03:49,262       there's wild things            happening all the time. 73 00:03:49,296 --> 00:03:50,430  [Radio] ...a suicide attempt. 74 00:03:50,463 --> 00:03:53,967   So, you jump on these calls       when you get them because 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,803          this might be                something really huge. 76 00:03:56,836 --> 00:04:00,941         Rip across town,          and I came up in the intercity 77 00:04:00,974 --> 00:04:03,777     onto the train tracks... 78 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:07,380  and just ducked down, camera,     and just started shooting. 79 00:04:07,414 --> 00:04:09,282        [Camera clicking] 80 00:04:09,316 --> 00:04:11,918   As they started pulling the        body of Stacy DeBungee 81 00:04:11,952 --> 00:04:15,722       out of the Neebing               -McIntyre floodway. 82 00:04:15,755 --> 00:04:18,591     Stacy was older than the        other victims found dead in 83 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:21,461    the rivers, but that didn't            change the way 84 00:04:21,494 --> 00:04:23,563      the police saw things. 85 00:04:23,596 --> 00:04:26,900   It was just another "drunken       Indian" that passed out, 86 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:29,669       rolled in the river,                 and drowned. 87 00:04:29,703 --> 00:04:31,805           An accident. 88 00:04:31,838 --> 00:04:33,907         They had already                 determined that 89 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:35,842          this was not a                  criminal matter. 90 00:04:35,875 --> 00:04:37,277         They issue the                   release saying, 91 00:04:37,310 --> 00:04:39,245     "There's no foul play." 92 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,015                ♪ 93 00:04:42,048 --> 00:04:45,618     Well, when you declare                                 no fo, 94 00:04:45,652 --> 00:04:48,254       it takes everything               else out of play. 95 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:52,792         It means there's                no public concern. 96 00:04:52,826 --> 00:04:55,495    When you hear someone say                                 som, 97 00:04:55,528 --> 00:04:58,098         the words begin                  to lose meaning. 98 00:04:58,131 --> 00:05:01,201   In Thunder Bay, we've heard,           "No foul play," 99 00:05:01,234 --> 00:05:02,802         so many times... 100 00:05:02,836 --> 00:05:04,971         it means nothing                 to the community. 101 00:05:05,005 --> 00:05:08,708     "Impossible to rule out          homicide and suicide." 102 00:05:08,742 --> 00:05:10,877    I've been trying to get an       interview with the police 103 00:05:10,910 --> 00:05:14,881    leadership for months, but      I keep getting stone-walled. 104 00:05:14,914 --> 00:05:17,884  If we could talk to the cops,      they could tell us about 105 00:05:17,917 --> 00:05:19,219      how this system works, 106 00:05:19,252 --> 00:05:20,954      and they won't answer             the fucking phone. 107 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:24,791      So, like, this is the          maddening part, is, like, 108 00:05:24,824 --> 00:05:28,294     finding little details,         and then having questions, 109 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:33,066    and just wanting to do the         right thing, you know? 110 00:05:33,099 --> 00:05:36,036        So I've decided to              use the latest case- 111 00:05:36,069 --> 00:05:37,837           the death of                    Stacy DeBungee- 112 00:05:37,871 --> 00:05:39,806        to prove once and                for all that this, 113 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,543          "no foul play,"             business is all bullshit. 114 00:05:46,112 --> 00:05:50,316                ♪ 115 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:51,351       To help me get there, 116 00:05:51,384 --> 00:05:54,220       I go back to retired             detective Dave Perry, 117 00:05:54,254 --> 00:05:55,922       who's worked with the               DeBungee family 118 00:05:55,955 --> 00:05:57,824           on this case. 119 00:05:57,857 --> 00:05:59,592     So, is that the McIntyre            River right there? 120 00:05:59,626 --> 00:06:01,194      This is the floodway. 121 00:06:01,227 --> 00:06:03,396       Yeah, so, the scene               was just up here. 122 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:04,597           Yeah, where                    Stacy was found. 123 00:06:04,631 --> 00:06:06,399              Yeah. 124 00:06:06,433 --> 00:06:08,168            From Dave,                     I learned that 125 00:06:08,201 --> 00:06:10,537         in investigating              Stacy DeBungee's death, 126 00:06:10,570 --> 00:06:14,107        the cops failed to              do four basic things. 127 00:06:14,140 --> 00:06:16,743       The first is a proper               examination of 128 00:06:16,776 --> 00:06:19,712     where his body was found. 129 00:06:19,746 --> 00:06:26,019                ♪ 130 00:06:26,986 --> 00:06:29,856         -Go have a look?                      -Okay. 131 00:06:29,889 --> 00:06:32,092     The police believe that              Stacy DeBungee 132 00:06:32,125 --> 00:06:34,627        had gotten drunk,                  fell asleep, 133 00:06:34,661 --> 00:06:38,431      rolled off a bank into           the river and drowned. 134 00:06:38,465 --> 00:06:40,066       So visually, I was- 135 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:41,701   had this picture in my mind           that I was gonna 136 00:06:41,734 --> 00:06:43,436      go up there to this... 137 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:45,939          raging river,                with rapids and rocks, 138 00:06:45,972 --> 00:06:49,042       and that there was             going to be this cliff. 139 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:52,912         All right. So,               this is the first image 140 00:06:52,946 --> 00:06:57,083          I get of what              essentially is the scene. 141 00:06:57,117 --> 00:07:00,553        Could someone roll               down this incline? 142 00:07:00,587 --> 00:07:02,388          Look how easy                   the footing is. 143 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:03,223              Yeah. 144 00:07:03,256 --> 00:07:05,825  -This is such a gentle slope.               -Yeah. 145 00:07:05,859 --> 00:07:07,627       And then as you get              closer to the water, 146 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:10,497      you've got some brush            that may sustain you. 147 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:14,100     And then if he fell in,              it's dead calm, 148 00:07:14,134 --> 00:07:16,936   and just a few inches deep. 149 00:07:16,970 --> 00:07:20,740     This, to me, is an area         where somebody under those 150 00:07:20,773 --> 00:07:22,742     circumstances could have         easily saved themselves, 151 00:07:22,775 --> 00:07:25,979   even if they're intoxicated. 152 00:07:26,012 --> 00:07:29,015   They never even got through      the front door on this one. 153 00:07:29,048 --> 00:07:31,417         No crime scene,                 no forensic truck, 154 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:34,187        no holding of the             scene until an autopsy. 155 00:07:34,220 --> 00:07:35,955        There are just so               many mistakes made, 156 00:07:35,989 --> 00:07:38,758         and such a lack                 of effort here... 157 00:07:38,791 --> 00:07:40,260       it's hard to fathom. 158 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:49,936                ♪ 159 00:07:49,969 --> 00:07:54,440   Here's the second thing that     wasn't done by investigators. 160 00:07:54,474 --> 00:07:58,611     They never even bothered        finding out who Stacy was. 161 00:07:58,645 --> 00:08:00,180       You have to meet and             speak to the family. 162 00:08:00,213 --> 00:08:01,614       That's where you're                gonna get your 163 00:08:01,648 --> 00:08:03,383         basic background                  information... 164 00:08:03,416 --> 00:08:05,952          on Stacy, and                    who he was and 165 00:08:05,985 --> 00:08:08,021          how he lived,                    and, you know, 166 00:08:08,054 --> 00:08:11,124   if there were any clues that      may lead you to the reason 167 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:13,560         that he was (a)                 down by the river, 168 00:08:13,593 --> 00:08:16,196   and (b) found in the river. 169 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:18,998        That's where the              investigation starts in 170 00:08:19,032 --> 00:08:22,335       virtually every case             I've ever worked on. 171 00:08:22,368 --> 00:08:25,238     Which is why I'm heading             to Stacy's home. 172 00:08:25,271 --> 00:08:29,309      Along for the ride is         Stacy's older brother, Brad. 173 00:08:29,342 --> 00:08:32,478   You said the house you grew     up in is here on the highway? 174 00:08:32,512 --> 00:08:33,746              -Yeah.                           -Yeah? 175 00:08:33,780 --> 00:08:36,516    Third house on the right. 176 00:08:36,549 --> 00:08:37,984          -Third house?                       -Yeah. 177 00:08:38,017 --> 00:08:41,221     This one? So your whole            family lived there? 178 00:08:41,254 --> 00:08:43,389              Yeah. 179 00:08:43,423 --> 00:08:45,592                ♪ 180 00:08:45,625 --> 00:08:48,528     Stacy and Brad are from         Rainy River First Nations, 181 00:08:48,561 --> 00:08:52,365       about 400 kilometres             west of Thunder Bay. 182 00:08:52,398 --> 00:08:53,566         For people that                  didn't know him, 183 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,235          how would you                describe your brother? 184 00:08:55,268 --> 00:08:58,071           Easy going,                    happy go lucky. 185 00:08:58,104 --> 00:09:01,574       He'd help you out,              like, any way he can. 186 00:09:01,608 --> 00:09:04,844     Give you the shirt off          his back if he'd have to. 187 00:09:04,877 --> 00:09:07,180     Imagine for a second that        you've lost your brother 188 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:10,216    or your sister, tragically. 189 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:12,051   Even if it were an accident, 190 00:09:12,085 --> 00:09:14,387       how would you expect              to hear about it? 191 00:09:14,420 --> 00:09:17,890                ♪ 192 00:09:17,924 --> 00:09:21,427          I was outside                 working in the yard. 193 00:09:21,461 --> 00:09:23,863    And my partner came home,              and she said, 194 00:09:23,896 --> 00:09:27,767      "I got some bad news." 195 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,804      She said, "They found            Stacy in the river." 196 00:09:31,838 --> 00:09:34,707    She heard it on the news. 197 00:09:34,741 --> 00:09:37,043     So you heard through the         news before you'd heard 198 00:09:37,076 --> 00:09:39,045        through the police                or anyone else? 199 00:09:39,078 --> 00:09:42,548              Yeah. 200 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:44,884   I didn't know what to think,         like, it was just... 201 00:09:44,917 --> 00:09:48,621        [Exhaling sharply]                     Oh... 202 00:09:48,655 --> 00:09:50,890          No phone call. 203 00:09:50,923 --> 00:09:53,660     No visit from the police. 204 00:09:53,693 --> 00:09:55,962     In that moment, did you        have a sense of what to do? 205 00:09:55,995 --> 00:09:58,264  Did you try to call somebody? 206 00:09:58,298 --> 00:10:02,235      That's when I went to             the police station. 207 00:10:02,268 --> 00:10:06,005         See if I could                 speak with someone. 208 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:08,641     They said they were busy            at the moment and 209 00:10:08,675 --> 00:10:11,077    to come back the next day. 210 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:13,012  Then I asked to see his body. 211 00:10:13,046 --> 00:10:15,915      The officer said the             coroner was too busy. 212 00:10:15,948 --> 00:10:17,684     Like they were trying to            keep me away from 213 00:10:17,717 --> 00:10:20,453          seeing him for                 some reason, like, 214 00:10:20,486 --> 00:10:21,854       "Well, let's not..." 215 00:10:21,888 --> 00:10:23,289       To keep him hidden, 216 00:10:23,323 --> 00:10:27,627      like they're trying to              hide something. 217 00:10:27,660 --> 00:10:30,697      Iced out by the police              and the coroner, 218 00:10:30,730 --> 00:10:34,334         Brad had only one              place left to turn... 219 00:10:34,367 --> 00:10:37,603     the Chief of his reserve. 220 00:10:37,637 --> 00:10:40,673            Back then,                  that was Jim Leonard. 221 00:10:40,707 --> 00:10:43,343    Of course, I expressed my        condolences, and then... 222 00:10:43,376 --> 00:10:47,013    Brad indicated to me that           there was something 223 00:10:47,046 --> 00:10:48,948      funny about his death. 224 00:10:48,981 --> 00:10:50,883    Do you remember his family        living in the community? 225 00:10:50,917 --> 00:10:52,952       Yes, I remember his               family very well. 226 00:10:52,985 --> 00:10:55,521        I knew his father                and his mother and 227 00:10:55,555 --> 00:10:59,726         all his brothers                   and sisters. 228 00:10:59,759 --> 00:11:01,694       For those that have               never been here, 229 00:11:01,728 --> 00:11:03,896  just describe your community. 230 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:05,231     We're a small community, 231 00:11:05,264 --> 00:11:08,334        350 people live on                 the community. 232 00:11:08,368 --> 00:11:11,371    We live right by the river       and it's part of our life. 233 00:11:11,404 --> 00:11:14,841                ♪ 234 00:11:14,874 --> 00:11:18,177    -Stacy knew how to swim.        -Yeah, he knew how to swim. 235 00:11:18,211 --> 00:11:19,679        How come he ended                up in the water? 236 00:11:19,712 --> 00:11:21,714            You know?                   I want to know that. 237 00:11:21,748 --> 00:11:24,150   Do you think these cases... 238 00:11:24,183 --> 00:11:26,419   of Indigenous people dying       in the river in Thunder Bay 239 00:11:26,452 --> 00:11:28,321   could be linked in any way? 240 00:11:28,354 --> 00:11:32,058        I thought of that                many times, and... 241 00:11:32,091 --> 00:11:36,095    I do believe that some of         these cases have been- 242 00:11:36,129 --> 00:11:40,733     are linked. The details           are far too similar. 243 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:42,835   What are the similar details           too coincidental 244 00:11:42,869 --> 00:11:44,837      to look past, for you? 245 00:11:44,871 --> 00:11:48,274    When these young kids come       from northern communities, 246 00:11:48,307 --> 00:11:51,110       and they live by the            water all their lives, 247 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:53,446    they know how to take care        of themselves in water. 248 00:11:53,479 --> 00:12:00,253                ♪ 249 00:12:00,286 --> 00:12:02,755    Stacy's funeral reveals the          third thing police 250 00:12:02,789 --> 00:12:05,258       failed to do in their               investigation. 251 00:12:05,291 --> 00:12:07,860                ♪ 252 00:12:07,894 --> 00:12:10,129         Brad, showed me              photos of Stacy's arms, 253 00:12:10,163 --> 00:12:12,398   which appeared to me to be- 254 00:12:12,432 --> 00:12:16,769     to look like bite marks          and various other marks. 255 00:12:16,803 --> 00:12:19,238   His face didn't look normal. 256 00:12:19,272 --> 00:12:22,141         His nose looked                 like it was bent. 257 00:12:22,175 --> 00:12:24,610          And there was                bruising on his face. 258 00:12:24,644 --> 00:12:26,779         And, his cheek                   was puffed out, 259 00:12:26,813 --> 00:12:29,449   and his jaw was puffed out. 260 00:12:29,482 --> 00:12:31,717       When I talked to the             coroner, they said, 261 00:12:31,751 --> 00:12:33,786      "Oh, that's from being               in the water." 262 00:12:33,820 --> 00:12:36,489    That doesn't happen when         somebody is in the water. 263 00:12:36,522 --> 00:12:39,091         Doesn't "poof",                blow up that quick. 264 00:12:39,125 --> 00:12:40,993         When Brad showed                 you the photos, 265 00:12:41,027 --> 00:12:42,628     what were your thoughts?            What did you see? 266 00:12:42,662 --> 00:12:44,497      Well, my thoughts were          exactly the same as him. 267 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:46,766        It was concerning,                very concerning. 268 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:51,137                ♪ 269 00:12:51,170 --> 00:12:53,739        What do you think                happened to Stacy? 270 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:56,776     I think they were having          a party by the river, 271 00:12:56,809 --> 00:13:01,280     and I think that it was          a fight that happened. 272 00:13:01,314 --> 00:13:05,685      And I think whoever he            was fighting with... 273 00:13:05,718 --> 00:13:09,255      put him in the river. 274 00:13:09,288 --> 00:13:11,324    Do you think Stacy was...? 275 00:13:11,357 --> 00:13:13,092     I think he was murdered. 276 00:13:13,125 --> 00:13:24,704                ♪ 277 00:13:24,737 --> 00:13:26,439    Out of all the things that        were botched during the 278 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:28,508          Stacy DeBungee                   investigation, 279 00:13:28,541 --> 00:13:31,444     and the one that screams,         "no foul play, my ass" 280 00:13:31,477 --> 00:13:35,815    the loudest, has to do with         Stacy's debit card... 281 00:13:35,848 --> 00:13:39,352      and the last few hours              before he died. 282 00:13:39,385 --> 00:13:41,220        Stacy went to the                 liquor store at 283 00:13:41,254 --> 00:13:43,523         2 or 3 o'clock                  in the afternoon. 284 00:13:43,556 --> 00:13:45,825      I found out quickly,           he met some other people, 285 00:13:45,858 --> 00:13:47,627    he purchased some alcohol. 286 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:50,630      He used his debit card            to pull 20, 30, $40 287 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:52,665        out of the account              and give it to them, 288 00:13:52,698 --> 00:13:54,867       and they all went to             the river to drink. 289 00:13:54,901 --> 00:13:59,305                ♪ 290 00:13:59,338 --> 00:14:01,407     If you spin around here,         there's the liquor store 291 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,508     where his card was used. 292 00:14:02,542 --> 00:14:05,811    There's the Canadian Tire        where his card was used. 293 00:14:05,845 --> 00:14:08,047      But here's the kicker. 294 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,050     When that card was being          used in those places, 295 00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:13,986      Stacy had already been           pulled from the river. 296 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:15,488      -He was already dead.                -He was dead. 297 00:14:15,521 --> 00:14:17,323        And that card was             being used around town. 298 00:14:17,356 --> 00:14:19,892              Yeah. 299 00:14:19,926 --> 00:14:23,429    You've gotta ask yourself,          how in the hell did 300 00:14:23,462 --> 00:14:27,567     investigators miss such a      crucial piece of evidence...? 301 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,570          One that might                point to the killer. 302 00:14:30,603 --> 00:14:33,439     I said, "This might be a        good time for us to go and 303 00:14:33,472 --> 00:14:35,041        speak to the lead               investigator at the 304 00:14:35,074 --> 00:14:38,010        Thunder Bay Police              Service," so we did. 305 00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:40,546      Brad and I walked into           the station together. 306 00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:42,348       and so the detective              sergeant came out, 307 00:14:42,381 --> 00:14:46,552     and he was blunt, rude,         like, "What do you want." 308 00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:48,220        Brad said, "Well,            I just want to talk to you 309 00:14:48,254 --> 00:14:51,390    about my brother's case."       "All right, fine. Come in." 310 00:14:51,424 --> 00:14:53,859      And as we're entering,         I'm walking in behind him, 311 00:14:53,893 --> 00:14:54,727          and he turns                  around and he says, 312 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,730     "Who the hell are you?"               I'm thinking, 313 00:14:57,763 --> 00:15:02,468   "Wow, that's... that's quite          an introduction." 314 00:15:02,501 --> 00:15:05,204       And I said, "Look,             I have information that 315 00:15:05,237 --> 00:15:07,106        your investigators                   must have. 316 00:15:07,139 --> 00:15:08,908    I know they don't have it. 317 00:15:08,941 --> 00:15:12,445   It's critical, and so here's       an extra business card. 318 00:15:12,478 --> 00:15:13,613         Would you please                have them call me, 319 00:15:13,646 --> 00:15:17,083    it's important." He said,       "Sure, I'll have them call." 320 00:15:17,116 --> 00:15:21,120 And I said, "Well, I appreciate      your time and effort," 321 00:15:21,153 --> 00:15:23,456     and I stuck my hand out, 322 00:15:23,489 --> 00:15:26,158        and he didn't want               to shake my hand. 323 00:15:26,192 --> 00:15:28,127           That was it. 324 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,397         He didn't want                  to shake my hand. 325 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:34,900    I saw this wonderful human       being that I got to know, 326 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:36,969          Brad DeBungee,                 being treated like 327 00:15:37,003 --> 00:15:40,806          he was a stain                   on the floor. 328 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,810      You can probably guess            what happened next. 329 00:15:44,844 --> 00:15:46,312           Not a call. 330 00:15:46,345 --> 00:15:49,448       Not a single bit of             interest or follow up. 331 00:15:49,482 --> 00:15:51,350         I've never seen                  such a negligent 332 00:15:51,384 --> 00:15:53,252      death investigation in             my entire career. 333 00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:54,520       I've been doing this              for over 40 years, 334 00:15:54,553 --> 00:15:58,090       almost 45 years now. 335 00:15:58,124 --> 00:16:00,426       Here's what the then          Chief of Police had to say 336 00:16:00,459 --> 00:16:03,095        about the evidence                Dave uncovered. 337 00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:05,765       Mr. Perry finds that                Mr. DeBungee's 338 00:16:05,798 --> 00:16:09,769     debit card is missing,          and he further finds that 339 00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:13,839     that debit card was used             after his death. 340 00:16:13,873 --> 00:16:16,175        Did you know about                that debit card? 341 00:16:16,208 --> 00:16:18,611    I don't believe the family        shared that with us, no. 342 00:16:18,644 --> 00:16:20,946       This is your town,               your investigators, 343 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,648      and you say you didn't            hear about any of it 344 00:16:22,682 --> 00:16:24,717    until you read his report? 345 00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:26,385      That's correct, yeah. 346 00:16:26,419 --> 00:16:28,454    What does that say to you,         as the man responsible 347 00:16:28,487 --> 00:16:31,691        for investigations                in Thunder Bay? 348 00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:35,327      I think that there's a        certain level of cooperation 349 00:16:35,361 --> 00:16:38,330    that Mr. Perry, maybe, was      able to get that we weren't. 350 00:16:38,364 --> 00:16:40,566    Have you not gone back to      those investigators and said, 351 00:16:40,599 --> 00:16:42,368        "Did you ever ask              about the debit card? 352 00:16:42,401 --> 00:16:44,136      Did you ever interview               these people?" 353 00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:45,705    I try not to micromanage. 354 00:16:45,738 --> 00:16:48,007    I'll let the investigators             do their job. 355 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,743       But they didn't do             their job in this case. 356 00:16:50,776 --> 00:16:54,680              Hm... 357 00:16:54,714 --> 00:16:56,649    Would you agree with that?       They didn't do their job. 358 00:16:56,682 --> 00:16:59,185          No, I wouldn't                  agree with that. 359 00:16:59,218 --> 00:17:01,821    I don't know that they had         the grounds to obtain 360 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:04,657      the information that         Mr. Perry was able to obtain. 361 00:17:04,690 --> 00:17:07,393                ♪ 362 00:17:07,426 --> 00:17:09,695         On at least four                 crucial points, 363 00:17:09,729 --> 00:17:12,398     Thunder Bay Police badly          failed Stacy DeBungee. 364 00:17:12,431 --> 00:17:14,867                ♪ 365 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:18,437       The big question I'm              working on is why? 366 00:17:18,471 --> 00:17:20,439       My gut feeling is... 367 00:17:20,473 --> 00:17:23,375         they're covering                  something up. 368 00:17:23,409 --> 00:17:24,777  There was nobody chasing them. 369 00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:26,378         The only people                 being chased were 370 00:17:26,412 --> 00:17:27,913    people like Brad DeBungee, 371 00:17:27,947 --> 00:17:29,515    who were being chased out         of the police station. 372 00:17:29,548 --> 00:17:31,617         That's all that                  was happening. 373 00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:33,719            But Brad,                      Chief Leonard, 374 00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:36,255    and the entire Rainy River             First Nations 375 00:17:36,288 --> 00:17:41,594    weren't buying any of this        "no foul play" business. 376 00:17:41,627 --> 00:17:45,231        So they decided to               turn up the heat. 377 00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:47,366              Way up. 378 00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:49,702           Seeing him,                  that was it for you. 379 00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:51,036       You were gonna fight           this through to the end? 380 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:53,139              Yeah. 381 00:17:53,172 --> 00:17:56,041  What made you decide that you    were gonna see this through? 382 00:17:56,075 --> 00:17:58,210    Justice, it's, you know... 383 00:17:58,244 --> 00:18:00,546    this has been happening to          First Nations people 384 00:18:00,579 --> 00:18:03,582          for too many-            too long of a time, you know. 385 00:18:03,616 --> 00:18:06,285      It's time to stand up                 and, and... 386 00:18:06,318 --> 00:18:08,320         find out what's                   happening and 387 00:18:08,354 --> 00:18:10,456         why these things                  are happening. 388 00:18:10,489 --> 00:18:13,826        That's when I went                 to work and... 389 00:18:13,859 --> 00:18:18,097       tried to find some              legal representation. 390 00:18:18,130 --> 00:18:20,800     Chief Leonard called six         lawyers in Thunder Bay, 391 00:18:20,833 --> 00:18:23,602 but no one wanted to touch it. 392 00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:25,838      When I indicated what             I was looking for, 393 00:18:25,871 --> 00:18:27,940     what type of assistance,             they just said, 394 00:18:27,973 --> 00:18:29,742          "We're sorry,                   we can't help." 395 00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:33,179     So it was obvious to me          that they didn't want to 396 00:18:33,212 --> 00:18:36,782      upset the powers to be              in Thunder Bay. 397 00:18:36,816 --> 00:18:39,518     But he finally finds one         lawyer that's not afraid 398 00:18:39,552 --> 00:18:40,786     to get his hands dirty... 399 00:18:40,820 --> 00:18:41,954        [Clearing throat] 400 00:18:41,987 --> 00:18:43,789         Julian Falconer. 401 00:18:43,823 --> 00:18:47,126   No one knows what's actually       going on at the rivers. 402 00:18:47,159 --> 00:18:50,629    How do you lose this many          people in a community 403 00:18:50,663 --> 00:18:52,431   of the size of Thunder Bay? 404 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:53,499  Where did you want me to look? 405 00:18:53,532 --> 00:18:54,300   [Off-screen] Into the lens.          [Julian] This lens? 406 00:18:54,333 --> 00:18:56,268        [Off-screen] Yes.                  [Julian] Yep. 407 00:18:56,302 --> 00:19:00,306 These lives are being valued in,     frankly, a racist way... 408 00:19:00,339 --> 00:19:03,442      by those charged with         investigating these deaths. 409 00:19:03,475 --> 00:19:05,778  Julian Falconer is a good man. 410 00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:08,013      He has it in his heart             to do a good job. 411 00:19:08,047 --> 00:19:12,051                ♪ 412 00:19:12,084 --> 00:19:14,820       I remember Chief Jim          Leonard saying to me that, 413 00:19:14,854 --> 00:19:18,224       "My community is not             gonna let this go." 414 00:19:18,257 --> 00:19:20,192   And if you know Jim Leonard, 415 00:19:20,226 --> 00:19:25,030     you will understand that         he is a man of his word. 416 00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:27,366     If that happened in your        family, what would you do? 417 00:19:27,399 --> 00:19:30,035  You would do exactly the same      thing as I did, you know? 418 00:19:30,069 --> 00:19:32,571             -Yeah.                   -You have to, you know. 419 00:19:32,605 --> 00:19:35,074        So, I recommended               what was missing was 420 00:19:35,107 --> 00:19:37,643      a legitimate homicide               investigation. 421 00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:40,746    Why would it be that they         issued a press release 422 00:19:40,779 --> 00:19:42,882         saying, "No foul                 play suspected," 423 00:19:42,915 --> 00:19:45,050         when they hadn't               done an autopsy yet? 424 00:19:45,084 --> 00:19:49,321       When the post-mortem            report hadn't come in? 425 00:19:49,355 --> 00:19:53,826   Officers didn't take photos       of the body or the scene, 426 00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:56,195        did not interview                 key witnesses, 427 00:19:56,228 --> 00:19:58,831          did not direct                 forensic officials 428 00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:01,834     to seize certain items. 429 00:20:01,867 --> 00:20:06,105     They couldn't have more            miserably failed in 430 00:20:06,138 --> 00:20:10,442   protecting the scene or the      evidence if they had tried. 431 00:20:10,476 --> 00:20:13,012                ♪ 432 00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:15,781      It's this same police           incompetence that led to 433 00:20:15,814 --> 00:20:17,549     the botched investigation           of those that came 434 00:20:17,583 --> 00:20:20,119           before Stacy                  DeBungee's death... 435 00:20:20,152 --> 00:20:23,522      the 7 Fallen Feathers, 436 00:20:23,555 --> 00:20:25,891          and those that                  would come after- 437 00:20:25,925 --> 00:20:30,963          Tammy Keeash,                    Josiah Begg... 438 00:20:30,996 --> 00:20:33,198        both river deaths, 439 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:36,702      both ruled no foul play              by the police. 440 00:20:36,735 --> 00:20:39,305       No foul fucking play. 441 00:20:39,338 --> 00:20:43,876  You can't keep doing the same     thing over and over again, 442 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:47,813   producing exactly the same       result over and over again, 443 00:20:47,846 --> 00:20:53,585    and then tell everybody,       "Oops, just another mistake." 444 00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:57,289     Well, you know, I mean,        it's not a mistake anymore. 445 00:20:57,323 --> 00:21:00,960         It's on purpose. 446 00:21:00,993 --> 00:21:06,832         [Birds chirping] 447 00:21:06,865 --> 00:21:12,104                ♪ 448 00:21:12,137 --> 00:21:14,974    I'll just relate a little          story my son told me. 449 00:21:15,007 --> 00:21:18,177                ♪ 450 00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:22,281      He saw a deer that got         caught in the quicksand... 451 00:21:22,314 --> 00:21:24,450      struggling to get out, 452 00:21:24,483 --> 00:21:26,185         but he was too                   far in the pit, 453 00:21:26,218 --> 00:21:28,087     they couldn't reach him, 454 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,689     so they went and got the        local farmer to shoot him. 455 00:21:30,723 --> 00:21:31,991            [Gunshot] 456 00:21:32,024 --> 00:21:36,528         [Geese honking] 457 00:21:36,562 --> 00:21:39,665                ♪ 458 00:21:39,698 --> 00:21:42,968    If that was a human being,         they would have tried 459 00:21:43,002 --> 00:21:46,939      to get him out, but it              was just a deer. 460 00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:50,109        Get the relation?             "Just an Indian, so..." 461 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:54,813      So, Stacy was another             "drunk Indian" that 462 00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:59,151      rolled into the river. 463 00:21:59,184 --> 00:22:01,153    What do you do if the cops- 464 00:22:01,186 --> 00:22:04,023     the ones whose job it is          to serve and protect- 465 00:22:04,056 --> 00:22:06,091           won't listen? 466 00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:11,797       Leonard has one phone            call left to make... 467 00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:14,833    to the police watch dog in        the province of Ontario. 468 00:22:14,867 --> 00:22:17,302    My name's Gerry McNeilly,           a lawyer mediator. 469 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:21,540        I'm also the past                Director of OIPRD. 470 00:22:21,573 --> 00:22:24,676      The OIPRD is the only            civilian office in the 471 00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:26,345         province with the                  power of the 472 00:22:26,378 --> 00:22:28,747    Attorney General behind it. 473 00:22:28,781 --> 00:22:30,716     Its main function is to           deal with complaints 474 00:22:30,749 --> 00:22:34,553      from the public about            police interactions. 475 00:22:34,586 --> 00:22:36,188         Police must be                  held accountable. 476 00:22:36,221 --> 00:22:38,991          We give them                 extraordinary powers. 477 00:22:39,024 --> 00:22:41,427     They have the powers to         stop you and I at any time 478 00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:43,862           they want,                   be it legal or not. 479 00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:45,864       They have the powers              to carry weapons. 480 00:22:45,898 --> 00:22:47,933      They have the powers             to use those weapons. 481 00:22:47,966 --> 00:22:50,169      It's not just like an               average person 482 00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:52,237     walking down the street. 483 00:22:52,271 --> 00:22:55,407    As a police officer sworn          to serve and protect, 484 00:22:55,441 --> 00:22:58,277     we have a duty to always           do the right thing, 485 00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:59,945       to not cut corners. 486 00:22:59,978 --> 00:23:02,714        You're being paid               not to cut corners. 487 00:23:02,748 --> 00:23:05,350                ♪ 488 00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:06,852      He's heard about issues           with the police work 489 00:23:06,885 --> 00:23:09,188          in Thunder Bay,               but he's shocked with 490 00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:11,690       what he reads in the                DeBungee file. 491 00:23:11,723 --> 00:23:14,927     It was clear to me that          there were inadequacies. 492 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,129       It was clear to me               that procedures and 493 00:23:17,162 --> 00:23:19,031          steps weren't                   being followed. 494 00:23:19,064 --> 00:23:20,899    You know, there's nothing             to investigate 495 00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:24,403     'cause it appears as if            he was inebriated, 496 00:23:24,436 --> 00:23:29,074     was on the riverbank and      rolled 10 feet into the river, 497 00:23:29,108 --> 00:23:31,944       which doesn't seem              reasonable- [Laughs]- 498 00:23:31,977 --> 00:23:35,481          that you would                   roll that far. 499 00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:39,551     That concerned me and,           I decided that not only 500 00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:42,788     was I gonna undertake an          investigation into the 501 00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:45,757      complaint dealing with             the conduct issue, 502 00:23:45,791 --> 00:23:49,228   I also decided at that time,        because of my concerns 503 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:51,630   about issues in Thunder Bay, 504 00:23:51,663 --> 00:23:56,001    that I was gonna undertake           a systemic review. 505 00:23:56,034 --> 00:24:00,305    A systemic review, not just        Stacy DeBungee's case. 506 00:24:00,339 --> 00:24:03,108       He's going to review                all the cases. 507 00:24:03,142 --> 00:24:05,611                ♪ 508 00:24:05,644 --> 00:24:09,681   He's going to try to do what                                 t- 509 00:24:09,715 --> 00:24:12,184      get to the bottom of a             broken system that 510 00:24:12,217 --> 00:24:14,319          failed to solve                   those deaths. 511 00:24:14,353 --> 00:24:16,855    What a systemic review is, 512 00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:20,125        is when you see a              pattern of behaviour, 513 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:22,794    when you see a pattern and           an issue that the 514 00:24:22,828 --> 00:24:25,664     public's concerned about          or complaining about. 515 00:24:25,697 --> 00:24:29,701      We reviewed 37 cases,             and only because... 516 00:24:29,735 --> 00:24:31,870   I couldn't review any more. 517 00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:34,973      To do more would have             taken us 10 years. 518 00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:37,910                ♪ 519 00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:44,850                ♪ 520 00:24:44,883 --> 00:24:47,853    That system Gerry McNeilly          started digging into 521 00:24:47,886 --> 00:24:51,823     is so bad now that those          working deep inside it 522 00:24:51,857 --> 00:24:54,459    are turning on themselves. 523 00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:56,128       [Phone] I don't know                what you know 524 00:24:56,161 --> 00:24:57,329          or what you're                   interested in. 525 00:24:57,362 --> 00:25:00,465       Well, I, I don't...                I don't have... 526 00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:04,503   I don't have... I don't have         a card up my sleeve. 527 00:25:04,536 --> 00:25:07,806        I don't know what                  I don't know. 528 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:10,809     Shockingly, a Thunder Bay         officer has broken rank 529 00:25:10,842 --> 00:25:13,679          to give me some                inside information. 530 00:25:13,712 --> 00:25:16,748   I have never had an officer      speak to me for any reason 531 00:25:16,782 --> 00:25:20,986       without the explicit         permission of the leadership 532 00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:22,754   and the communication staff. 533 00:25:22,788 --> 00:25:24,723   [Kelly] You know more about          those native, um... 534 00:25:24,756 --> 00:25:26,391     [Ryan] The deaths, yeah.          [Kelly] Deaths, yeah. 535 00:25:26,425 --> 00:25:29,228     [Kelly] You know, like,          it's hard to talk about. 536 00:25:29,261 --> 00:25:30,295            You know,                   but I know right now 537 00:25:30,329 --> 00:25:33,899   at the administration level,         there's some kind of 538 00:25:33,932 --> 00:25:38,570     weird conspiracy to hide           things and whatnot. 539 00:25:38,604 --> 00:25:41,773   [Ryan] What I am trying to      uncover is there's a cover up 540 00:25:41,807 --> 00:25:43,609           inside the                   Thunder Bay Police, 541 00:25:43,642 --> 00:25:45,544       and it's associated              with these deaths, 542 00:25:45,577 --> 00:25:46,578        somehow, some way. 543 00:25:46,612 --> 00:25:48,547    [Kelly] Well, I would have          said you were wrong. 544 00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:49,948       I would have went,            "There's no fucking way." 545 00:25:49,982 --> 00:25:51,850        You know, I would                have just guessed 546 00:25:51,883 --> 00:25:55,354      death by misadventure,              like, suicide... 547 00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:58,223        Legit. But now... 548 00:25:58,257 --> 00:26:01,526      I don't know, I don't           know what else is there. 549 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,562           [Ryan] Yeah. 550 00:26:03,595 --> 00:26:07,933      This is why I think,           like, you know, we, we... 551 00:26:07,966 --> 00:26:10,435      we have to spend time             together to kind of 552 00:26:10,469 --> 00:26:12,137       come up with a plan. 553 00:26:12,170 --> 00:26:14,973    Like, we're not, we're not      gonna indict individual cops 554 00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,576        on, on things they               did or didn't do. 555 00:26:17,609 --> 00:26:18,744          [Kelly] Yeah. 556 00:26:18,777 --> 00:26:22,047   This is really about putting      the puzzle pieces together 557 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,449      from as many different             sources as we can, 558 00:26:24,483 --> 00:26:27,319         to get a clear                   picture, right? 559 00:26:27,352 --> 00:26:29,254  [Kelly] Yeah, there's a few of    the guys that we can get you 560 00:26:29,288 --> 00:26:31,623 to talk to all the right people,    and they might be able to 561 00:26:31,657 --> 00:26:34,826      ask the questions that              you want to ask. 562 00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:37,629    [Ryan] All right, we'll do           it that way then. 563 00:26:37,663 --> 00:26:40,265    [Kelly] Yeah, for sure...               Take care. 564 00:26:40,299 --> 00:26:42,734       -All right, bye-bye.                    -Bye. 565 00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:50,442 It's, like, it's not comfortable     talking to these, guy... 566 00:26:50,475 --> 00:26:53,645            You know? 567 00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:57,449     But these are decisions         we have to make, I guess. 568 00:26:57,482 --> 00:26:59,151                ♪ 569 00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:01,787      Ever since I got here,            I haven't been able 570 00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:03,488     to shake the feeling that          there's something the 571 00:27:03,522 --> 00:27:06,958        Thunder Bay Police                are covering up. 572 00:27:06,992 --> 00:27:11,663   And now the cops, themselves,      are backing that theory. 573 00:27:11,697 --> 00:27:15,200     But what it was wouldn't                                 bec. 574 00:27:15,233 --> 00:27:17,736                ♪ 575 00:27:21,907 --> 00:27:25,344                ♪ 576 00:27:25,377 --> 00:27:27,979   It takes Gerry McNeilly over        two years to complete 577 00:27:28,013 --> 00:27:30,949    his systemic review of the       Thunder Bay Police Force. 578 00:27:30,982 --> 00:27:41,360                ♪ 579 00:27:41,393 --> 00:27:43,662     It was December, and... 580 00:27:43,695 --> 00:27:46,965   on the weekend, the body of             Braiden Jacob 581 00:27:46,998 --> 00:27:49,501         was discovered                  on a golf course. 582 00:27:49,534 --> 00:27:51,670    [News] Braiden Jacob from         Webequie First Nation. 583 00:27:51,703 --> 00:27:53,638    He was reported missing on          December the 6th in 584 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,475      Thunder Bay, and after          three days of searching, 585 00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:59,845        his body was found                 by a passerby. 586 00:27:59,878 --> 00:28:03,215   It was another young person      with an unexplained death, 587 00:28:03,248 --> 00:28:08,353         all of a sudden.            The city was just on boil. 588 00:28:08,387 --> 00:28:11,089       Gerry McNeilly's team           didn't just analyze the 589 00:28:11,123 --> 00:28:14,359       37 Indigenous sudden           death cases, themselves. 590 00:28:14,393 --> 00:28:17,496      They also analyzed the         conduct of the Thunder Bay 591 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:20,332        Police Service, and             the coroner's office, 592 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:23,201      in regards to how they            handled these cases. 593 00:28:23,235 --> 00:28:25,871        This was completely                unprecedented. 594 00:28:25,904 --> 00:28:34,346                ♪ 595 00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:38,016     The room in the basement          of the DaVinci Centre 596 00:28:38,049 --> 00:28:40,786   was packed with reporters... 597 00:28:40,819 --> 00:28:43,522       And they're going to             release the results 598 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:46,558         of this two-year                  investigation. 599 00:28:46,591 --> 00:28:48,960  I was there in the front row. 600 00:28:48,994 --> 00:28:50,862         Former Chief Jim                Leonard was there, 601 00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:53,698    the DeBungees represented           by Brad was there, 602 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:57,536    the leadership were there,       Grand Chief Alvin Fiddler. 603 00:28:57,569 --> 00:29:00,372     There was just a lot of             anticipation and 604 00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:02,641          a lot of hope. 605 00:29:02,674 --> 00:29:06,211                ♪ 606 00:29:06,244 --> 00:29:09,648      [Speaker] I'd like to         introduce Director McNeilly. 607 00:29:09,681 --> 00:29:11,550     I had a sleepless night.          I'll be quite honest, 608 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:13,485       you know, because it               was a big event. 609 00:29:13,518 --> 00:29:14,920      I knew I was going to            say some things that 610 00:29:14,953 --> 00:29:16,922       some people may take                the wrong way. 611 00:29:16,955 --> 00:29:19,791  But I got there with my team,           we were ready. 612 00:29:19,825 --> 00:29:23,428                ♪ 613 00:29:23,462 --> 00:29:25,831   Before I begin, I would like         to acknowledge that 614 00:29:25,864 --> 00:29:28,233      we are meeting here on          the traditional lands of 615 00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:30,235         the Fort William                  First Nation. 616 00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:32,404          And we open up                   this report... 617 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:35,273       So let me talk about             the investigations. 618 00:29:35,307 --> 00:29:37,509       I found a number of            investigators lacked the 619 00:29:37,542 --> 00:29:40,645   expertise and the experience       to conduct sudden-death, 620 00:29:40,679 --> 00:29:43,748        death, or homicide                investigations. 621 00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:45,650      Interviews were often             poorly conducted or 622 00:29:45,684 --> 00:29:47,185      not conducted at all. 623 00:29:47,219 --> 00:29:49,621      On multiple occasions,         we saw that investigations 624 00:29:49,654 --> 00:29:54,759   failed to even find out the        results of the autopsy. 625 00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,162     Officers concluded that            "death by drowning" 626 00:29:57,195 --> 00:30:00,465     meant that the death was            innocently caused, 627 00:30:00,499 --> 00:30:03,034    rather than investigating            how the deceased 628 00:30:03,068 --> 00:30:04,669     came to be in the water. 629 00:30:04,703 --> 00:30:10,208           [Applauding] 630 00:30:10,242 --> 00:30:13,612       Slowly, methodically,               and thoroughly, 631 00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:17,215    Gerry McNeilly peeled back        the layers of the story. 632 00:30:17,249 --> 00:30:20,819       And, in that moment,             it was all too clear- 633 00:30:20,852 --> 00:30:24,890     this report was historic              and troubling. 634 00:30:24,923 --> 00:30:26,525     This is dead to rights. 635 00:30:26,558 --> 00:30:31,530         This is two-year           investigation with 200 pages 636 00:30:31,563 --> 00:30:34,199        finding the most                outrageous problems 637 00:30:34,232 --> 00:30:36,034      in the police service. 638 00:30:36,067 --> 00:30:39,571     And at the centre of all         these accusations was the 639 00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:43,842   newly appointed police chief,            Sylvie Hauth. 640 00:30:43,875 --> 00:30:46,645        I found, that in                my review of cases, 641 00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:49,014        Thunder Bay Police             Service investigators, 642 00:30:49,047 --> 00:30:52,918  they failed on an unacceptably      high number of occasions 643 00:30:52,951 --> 00:30:56,721     to treat or protect the            deceased and his or 644 00:30:56,755 --> 00:30:59,858     her family equally and           without discrimination- 645 00:30:59,891 --> 00:31:04,496       because- because the           deceased was Indigenous. 646 00:31:04,529 --> 00:31:05,997    We interviewed some, like, 647 00:31:06,031 --> 00:31:10,835       39 current and past               police officers, 648 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:15,240     past police chief, the         current chief and deputies. 649 00:31:15,273 --> 00:31:19,744  I think what troubled me with    some of those interviews was 650 00:31:19,778 --> 00:31:25,016  the lackadaisical perspective       or view of the issues. 651 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:28,920  I also spoke to some officers      who basically denied that 652 00:31:28,954 --> 00:31:32,757     there was any racism or        discrimination taking place. 653 00:31:32,791 --> 00:31:35,927    One officer in particular,          I kept referring to 654 00:31:35,961 --> 00:31:38,196        dealing with the               Indigenous population 655 00:31:38,229 --> 00:31:39,898      as Indigenous people, 656 00:31:39,931 --> 00:31:42,100     and he kept referring to            them as "Indians". 657 00:31:42,133 --> 00:31:44,869    It didn't matter how many        times I said "Indigenous", 658 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:49,874   he came back with "Indians."      "They're just an Indian." 659 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:54,713    And in no uncertain terms,          and McNeilly says it 660 00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:58,883    in the exact way he writes          it in the report... 661 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:02,621  [Overlapping voices] Overall,    I find systemic racism exists 662 00:32:02,654 --> 00:32:06,458  in Thunder Bay Police Service     at an institutional level. 663 00:32:06,491 --> 00:32:09,260           [Applauding] 664 00:32:09,294 --> 00:32:11,763     While it is understood          that much of the mistrust 665 00:32:11,796 --> 00:32:16,001     Indigenous people feel         towards police is rooted in 666 00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:18,937   the history of colonialism,             that does not 667 00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:21,740        in any way relieve           Thunder Bay Police Service 668 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:23,942        of its obligation                to earn the trust 669 00:32:23,975 --> 00:32:26,778      of Indigenous people. 670 00:32:26,811 --> 00:32:29,414   Framing my review in regards     to issues of colonialism was 671 00:32:29,447 --> 00:32:32,450   very important to me because     that's part of the problem, 672 00:32:32,484 --> 00:32:34,519      and not just Ontario,              all over Canada, 673 00:32:34,552 --> 00:32:36,921      and it was absolutely             necessary for me to 674 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:39,524        frame it in terms              of colonialism because 675 00:32:39,557 --> 00:32:42,027       that's the problem              we have to eradicate. 676 00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:44,996   I recommend that Thunder Bay      Police Service leadership 677 00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:47,766      publicly and formally           acknowledge that racism 678 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:50,802       exists at all levels          within the Police Service, 679 00:32:50,835 --> 00:32:54,539  and that it will not tolerate      racist views or actions. 680 00:32:54,572 --> 00:32:58,443     [Cheering & applauding] 681 00:32:58,476 --> 00:33:04,949           [Applauding] 682 00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:06,851       I have never seen a             standing ovation in a 683 00:33:06,885 --> 00:33:10,355     press conference before,               of any kind. 684 00:33:10,388 --> 00:33:12,791     This was something else. 685 00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:14,325          [News] At the                   news conference, 686 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:17,796  it got so emotional at times.       What stood out for you? 687 00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:20,665    This report is absolutely             devastating for 688 00:33:20,699 --> 00:33:22,867     the Thunder Bay Police. 689 00:33:22,901 --> 00:33:26,905     What it found was deep          failures when it came to, 690 00:33:26,938 --> 00:33:30,041    you know, one of the core         jobs of a police force. 691 00:33:30,075 --> 00:33:34,345    In Canadian history, there        is no comparable report. 692 00:33:34,379 --> 00:33:36,715       I want to be clear-             this is not theatrics, 693 00:33:36,748 --> 00:33:38,349      I am not exaggerating. 694 00:33:38,383 --> 00:33:40,719        You cannot find a               report that declares 695 00:33:40,752 --> 00:33:42,854     an entire police service           systemically racist. 696 00:33:42,887 --> 00:33:45,857        It doesn't exist. 697 00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:49,360     I found a little comfort         when I read the report. 698 00:33:49,394 --> 00:33:53,198        It kind of put me               at ease to find that 699 00:33:53,231 --> 00:33:59,104    my theory was legitimate. 700 00:33:59,137 --> 00:34:03,374        Finally, an entire              community vindicated. 701 00:34:03,408 --> 00:34:05,276           When you're                 Indigenous, sometimes, 702 00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:07,412       the only way you know           you're not being gaslit 703 00:34:07,445 --> 00:34:09,714      by an entire country... 704 00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:12,517     is a shiny report written           in black and white. 705 00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:15,520                ♪ 706 00:34:15,553 --> 00:34:17,088        For the Indigenous                   community, 707 00:34:17,122 --> 00:34:20,024       I think it was just                 validation... 708 00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:23,962      that their voice was            finally being heard and 709 00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:27,232       that it was actually              being documented. 710 00:34:27,265 --> 00:34:30,268      The report offers the          chance of a new beginning, 711 00:34:30,301 --> 00:34:33,104          a clean slate,                and a better future. 712 00:34:33,138 --> 00:34:36,374      I think and hope that               people see this 713 00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:38,943    as a positive first step. 714 00:34:38,977 --> 00:34:41,613     Instead, the moment turns          into an old-fashioned 715 00:34:41,646 --> 00:34:43,882    cowboy and Indian standoff. 716 00:34:43,915 --> 00:34:45,016        Barriers do exist                within the police. 717 00:34:45,049 --> 00:34:47,452  -Not barriers, though, racism.       -No, I'm- Let me talk. 718 00:34:47,485 --> 00:34:50,922        There are barriers              within the policing. 719 00:34:50,955 --> 00:34:54,926     We're in the scrum, and        Willow Fiddler is hammering 720 00:34:54,959 --> 00:34:58,096     Sylvie Hauth, asking her           over and over again, 721 00:34:58,129 --> 00:35:00,965      and finally just says,          "Why won't you just say, 722 00:35:00,999 --> 00:35:02,167       'systemic racism'?" 723 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,436   We've got a report right in      front of us here in writing 724 00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:10,909   from the Province of Ontario      that says your institution 725 00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:13,244     is systemically racist. 726 00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:17,415   Why can't you just say that? 727 00:35:17,448 --> 00:35:23,588   Did you feel like the OIPRD     review was a chance at change? 728 00:35:23,621 --> 00:35:26,324     Yeah, I had that feeling          for about 10 seconds. 729 00:35:26,357 --> 00:35:29,594                ♪ 730 00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:31,930    Well, the whole system has        to change before there's 731 00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:35,834       anything good gonna               come out of this. 732 00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:39,971      It's gonna keep going           if they don't change it. 733 00:35:40,004 --> 00:35:43,441     And that's when Georjann        Morriseau enters the story. 734 00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:45,109   How sick of winter are you? 735 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:49,113          Oh, I'm, like,              just gross sick, like... 736 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:52,350       Time to order pizza             and hope for the best. 737 00:35:52,383 --> 00:35:54,986              Right? 738 00:35:55,019 --> 00:35:57,956    One of Gerry McNeilly's key      recommendations designed to 739 00:35:57,989 --> 00:36:01,392    end systemic racism in the       Thunder Bay Police is the 740 00:36:01,426 --> 00:36:03,194         appointment of an                Indigenous member 741 00:36:03,228 --> 00:36:05,730           on the Police                   Services Board. 742 00:36:05,763 --> 00:36:08,166        And that person is               Georjann Morriseau, 743 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,835      who comes in with high         hopes to make a difference. 744 00:36:10,869 --> 00:36:12,503                ♪ 745 00:36:12,537 --> 00:36:14,639         It's the overall                 culture of that- 746 00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:19,310   of the environment that will          change, you know? 747 00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:21,012         And you will see                  these changes, 748 00:36:21,045 --> 00:36:25,149    so long as we're properly           implementing these 749 00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:27,218           strategies,                anti-racism strategies. 750 00:36:27,252 --> 00:36:29,420              Sure. 751 00:36:29,454 --> 00:36:32,390      Georjann has a history          of community leadership, 752 00:36:32,423 --> 00:36:34,592   and for getting things done. 753 00:36:34,626 --> 00:36:36,394       I did not want to be             the chair at first. 754 00:36:36,427 --> 00:36:39,597   I told them, "I will not be           a token Indian." 755 00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:44,369    Like I said, I'm qualified          first and foremost. 756 00:36:44,402 --> 00:36:46,571         By the age of 28,                 she was elected 757 00:36:46,604 --> 00:36:49,774       Chief of Fort William                First Nation. 758 00:36:49,807 --> 00:36:52,443     And now, she's a member         of a board responsible for 759 00:36:52,477 --> 00:36:56,614       reshaping the police            culture in Thunder Bay. 760 00:36:56,648 --> 00:36:59,350   A voice to be reckoned with. 761 00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:02,287      I said to the board,             "How well do you know 762 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,057       Georjann Morriseau?            Because she's incredibly 763 00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:09,794    intelligent, hardworking,         informed and diligent. 764 00:37:09,827 --> 00:37:13,131   She will not be a pushover." 765 00:37:13,164 --> 00:37:15,733    I saw my role on the board           as an opportunity 766 00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:17,568     to change the narrative,            an opportunity to 767 00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:21,572    dig in and really get the       work done, for my people... 768 00:37:21,606 --> 00:37:25,576    and for the city at large. 769 00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:27,946     [Ryan] This was meant to              be a restart. 770 00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:29,447        This was the dawn                  of a new day. 771 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,883  -It was the beautiful sunrise.              -Right. 772 00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,318        This was going to               make everyone happy. 773 00:37:33,351 --> 00:37:35,653     And the city desperately              needed a win. 774 00:37:35,687 --> 00:37:37,889               Yes. 775 00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,490  There was a sense of optimism. 776 00:37:39,524 --> 00:37:42,727     This was an opportunity         to do this all over again. 777 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,129      And Georjann Morriseau            is going to be there 778 00:37:45,163 --> 00:37:46,931         to lead the way. 779 00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:50,234                ♪ 780 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:55,006     But right from the start,        things go off the rails. 781 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:58,009         Throughout that                year of being Chair, 782 00:37:58,042 --> 00:38:00,244   when I confronted the Chief, 783 00:38:00,278 --> 00:38:02,680        could never get a                straight answer. 784 00:38:02,714 --> 00:38:04,816        Anything I brought                 to the table, 785 00:38:04,849 --> 00:38:06,918     they would find ways to        either get it off the table, 786 00:38:06,951 --> 00:38:11,622     ignore me, interjecting           and interrupting me. 787 00:38:11,656 --> 00:38:13,291     Police Services Board's                role is to 788 00:38:13,324 --> 00:38:15,259    really oversee the Chief. 789 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:19,030  Basically, the Chief reports     to the Police Services Board. 790 00:38:19,063 --> 00:38:22,967   If a chief is not following        his or her obligations 791 00:38:23,001 --> 00:38:25,370    as a sworn police officer,             police chief, 792 00:38:25,403 --> 00:38:27,538    then the board has to act. 793 00:38:27,572 --> 00:38:29,674      Apparently, Chief Hauth             wasn't too crazy 794 00:38:29,707 --> 00:38:32,010      about being challenged. 795 00:38:32,043 --> 00:38:35,013  Every meeting became a fight. 796 00:38:35,046 --> 00:38:37,648                ♪ 797 00:38:37,682 --> 00:38:40,385            The Chief,                   on a phone call... 798 00:38:40,418 --> 00:38:43,554     screams at me and says,            "Shut the fuck up! 799 00:38:43,588 --> 00:38:47,692     Shut your mouth!" to me. 800 00:38:47,725 --> 00:38:50,862          So, I'm like,               "Did that just happen?" 801 00:38:50,895 --> 00:38:53,398           And I said,                 "I will not shut up." 802 00:38:53,431 --> 00:38:56,134    It was all because I asked         for accountability and 803 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:59,203          transparency,                  which included me. 804 00:38:59,237 --> 00:39:06,711                ♪ 805 00:39:06,744 --> 00:39:10,748    But Georjann isn't the only       one feeling the pressure. 806 00:39:10,782 --> 00:39:14,085            My source,                  Officer Kelly Walsh, 807 00:39:14,118 --> 00:39:16,487          has agreed to                  meet face to face. 808 00:39:16,521 --> 00:39:28,032                ♪ 809 00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:30,001          How was today? 810 00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:31,569    Ah, lots of, lots of talk. 811 00:39:31,602 --> 00:39:34,872    Lots of phone calls, lots        of messages and whatnot. 812 00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:36,407              Yeah. 813 00:39:36,441 --> 00:39:38,342        What are officers                 saying to you? 814 00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:39,911      You don't have to give            me names, you know, 815 00:39:39,944 --> 00:39:43,214     but what are, what are           people saying, like...? 816 00:39:43,247 --> 00:39:45,850      The feel from the guys         that I've been talking to, 817 00:39:45,883 --> 00:39:48,519    and lots of them, is that        everyone's afraid to come 818 00:39:48,553 --> 00:39:50,455           forward with                   anything because 819 00:39:50,488 --> 00:39:52,523     anyone that speaks out,             they come after. 820 00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:55,293   They will find a reason to      make your life a living hell. 821 00:39:55,326 --> 00:39:57,128   And, you know, they monitor      everyone's Facebook pages. 822 00:39:57,161 --> 00:39:58,930            -They do?                     -Oh! [Laughing] 823 00:39:58,963 --> 00:40:00,731    Oh, yeah, guys get charged        all the time if they put 824 00:40:00,765 --> 00:40:02,967      something on Facebook,        if they say the wrong thing. 825 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,469             -Really?                        -Oh, yeah. 826 00:40:04,502 --> 00:40:05,336       They're fucking bad. 827 00:40:05,369 --> 00:40:07,105        This is as bad as                I've ever seen it. 828 00:40:07,138 --> 00:40:09,073        I have not seen it                this bad before, 829 00:40:09,107 --> 00:40:10,608      and I've been around. 830 00:40:10,641 --> 00:40:13,644     -This is my ninth chief.               -Holy fuck. 831 00:40:13,678 --> 00:40:15,947     I, literally, I wish I         could just go on right now. 832 00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:17,949     I mean, it's gonna come          out eventually, like... 833 00:40:17,982 --> 00:40:20,084        This is this the,               this is, you know... 834 00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:21,486            [Sighing] 835 00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:23,588        It's a fucking old               movie cliché that 836 00:40:23,621 --> 00:40:25,289      you see in cop movies. 837 00:40:25,323 --> 00:40:27,959     It's impossible to bring           down a police force. 838 00:40:27,992 --> 00:40:29,494   I'm trying to stay positive, 839 00:40:29,527 --> 00:40:32,230      but I need to talk to               more officers, 840 00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:33,564         and you've been                   a great help. 841 00:40:33,598 --> 00:40:35,333        -Guys are afraid.                 -I understand. 842 00:40:35,366 --> 00:40:36,434      We don't fucking lose. 843 00:40:36,467 --> 00:40:37,435        Well, let me know                 what I can do. 844 00:40:37,468 --> 00:40:38,569      I'll do whatever now. 845 00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:41,072        I'm, I'm, I'm in                the fight with you. 846 00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:42,974             -I know.                          -So... 847 00:40:43,007 --> 00:40:44,308  -Let's get the fuck out here.               -Yeah. 848 00:40:44,342 --> 00:40:46,244              Yeah. 849 00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:48,412                ♪ 850 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,181   As all hell is breaking loose, 851 00:40:50,214 --> 00:40:52,416       I'm reminded of what             Julian said about the 852 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,485        Thunder Bay Police                Service when the 853 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:57,522        Broken Trust Report                 was released. 854 00:40:57,555 --> 00:40:59,924   The lawyer, Julian Falconer,           is standing with 855 00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:02,760     Brad DeBungee saying to           the national media... 856 00:41:02,793 --> 00:41:05,630     If after three years... 857 00:41:05,663 --> 00:41:09,000     they have not complied          with the recommendations, 858 00:41:09,033 --> 00:41:11,202   they ought to be disbanded. 859 00:41:11,235 --> 00:41:14,839          Well, we're at                  three years now. 860 00:41:14,872 --> 00:41:17,375         And for Georjann                and the rest of us, 861 00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:19,610         the nightmare was                 just beginning. 862 00:41:19,644 --> 00:41:23,848                ♪ 863 00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:26,117    I'm writing today to make        my first public statement 864 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,052           against the                    Chief of Police. 865 00:41:28,085 --> 00:41:30,655       This place is in the             midst of a civil war. 866 00:41:30,688 --> 00:41:33,558    Hi there, looking to talk        with Chief Sylvie Hauth. 867 00:41:33,591 --> 00:41:35,626     I'm being called a liar.           I'm being targeted, 868 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:38,796       attacked, spied on,               to ruin my life. 869 00:41:38,829 --> 00:41:41,732      It's nothing short of              racially tainted 870 00:41:41,766 --> 00:41:43,534         harassment and                   discrimination. 871 00:41:43,568 --> 00:41:44,735            [Gunshots] 872 00:41:44,769 --> 00:41:46,370        There's something                sinister going on. 873 00:41:46,404 --> 00:41:47,972        If you speak up,              you're on the hit list. 874 00:41:48,005 --> 00:41:49,340  I think you have to see this. 875 00:41:49,373 --> 00:41:51,509        [Off-screen] What?               [Ryan] Holy shit. 876 00:41:51,542 --> 00:41:53,077      I hope they get what's              coming to them. 877 00:41:53,110 --> 00:41:54,645     I hope the public sees. 878 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:56,214   I know they can see through        these fucking windows. 879 00:41:56,247 --> 00:41:59,016      They were watching us           last time we left here. 880 00:41:59,050 --> 00:42:01,018       The day is coming,            something's gonna happen. 881 00:42:01,052 --> 00:42:03,521       Am I gonna be alive              to see another day? 882 00:42:03,554 --> 00:42:05,856     The wheels are about to          come off of this thing. 883 00:42:05,890 --> 00:42:08,159       Oh, fuck, I'm gonna               fucking throw up. 884 00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:13,331   These are people, and we are     treating them like garbage. 885 00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:14,665        When you fuck up,                you don't get to 886 00:42:14,699 --> 00:42:16,500            lock your                     doors and hide. 887 00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:18,736                ♪ 888 00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:58,109 ♪