♪
[News] Ontario's chief coroner announced an inquest
today into the deaths of seven aboriginal students.
[Ryan McMahon] It's the fall of 2015 in Thunder Bay,
and the hope that the Youth Inquest will make the city
safer for Indigenous children is palpable.
It's a very important day,
not just for these seven families, but for...
all the families that send their students here to
Thunder Bay for high school and college.
Finally, the deaths will end...
the police will own up to their mistakes,
and life will be better for In.
I was like, things are gonna change now.
For sure, this time, for sure.
♪
Right?
But instead, the inquest turns into a total dead end.
It became very apparent that we were not going
to know the means of death.
There was no evidence there because of the
lack of investigation, in large part.
The level of police incompetence that attaches
to these investigations is why this is happening.
Then, just two weeks into the inquest,
another Indigenous body is pulled from a river.
And less than a year after the inquest
comes to an end, two more.
The police knew they were being watched.
The inquest was about this!
An inquest that was being convened because of the
incompetence of how the Thunder Bay Police Service
investigates Indigenous deaths down by the rivers.
In all three cases, the police come to the
same conclusion: they were just accidents.
There is no evidence to link another person or group
as being responsible for the deaths of either
Tammy Keeash or Josiah Begg.
The evidence that's available to officers and
our investigators are not suspicious.
I thought to myself, "Here we go again."
"No evidence of potential foul play.
Don't worry, everyone go home." Right?
Like I said before, I'm no Columbo.
I never thought I would find the killers
when no one else could.
Too much time has passed.
But, what I am gonna do is shift my focus to those that
should have solved those crimes,
and why they didn't...
the cops.
No foul play, my ass.
♪
[Rolling thunder]
♪
Every time I come back to Thunder Bay,
I get the same question:
What was the flashpoint moment where you thought,
"I need to make a podcast about what's happening here"?
♪
And I always say...
that this would have to be that moment.
[Sirens]
♪
It was about 9:45 in the morning.
And, I was at my desk,
more or less ready to start my news day.
[Police radio] He's clear for warrant.
He's got nine pages of...
And we have the police radio in the office cranked
at all times, because in this city,
there's wild things happening all the time.
[Radio] ...a suicide attempt.
So, you jump on these calls when you get them because
this might be something really huge.
Rip across town, and I came up in the intercity
onto the train tracks...
and just ducked down, camera, and just started shooting.
[Camera clicking]
As they started pulling the body of Stacy DeBungee
out of the Neebing -McIntyre floodway.
Stacy was older than the other victims found dead in
the rivers, but that didn't change the way
the police saw things.
It was just another "drunken Indian" that passed out,
rolled in the river, and drowned.
An accident.
They had already determined that
this was not a criminal matter.
They issue the release saying,
"There's no foul play."
♪
Well, when you declare no fo,
it takes everything else out of play.
It means there's no public concern.
When you hear someone say som,
the words begin to lose meaning.
In Thunder Bay, we've heard, "No foul play,"
so many times...
it means nothing to the community.
"Impossible to rule out homicide and suicide."
I've been trying to get an interview with the police
leadership for months, but I keep getting stone-walled.
If we could talk to the cops, they could tell us about
how this system works,
and they won't answer the fucking phone.
So, like, this is the maddening part, is, like,
finding little details, and then having questions,
and just wanting to do the right thing, you know?
So I've decided to use the latest case-
the death of Stacy DeBungee-
to prove once and for all that this,
"no foul play," business is all bullshit.
♪
To help me get there,
I go back to retired detective Dave Perry,
who's worked with the DeBungee family
on this case.
So, is that the McIntyre River right there?
This is the floodway.
Yeah, so, the scene was just up here.
Yeah, where Stacy was found.
Yeah.
From Dave, I learned that
in investigating Stacy DeBungee's death,
the cops failed to do four basic things.
The first is a proper examination of
where his body was found.
♪
-Go have a look? -Okay.
The police believe that Stacy DeBungee
had gotten drunk, fell asleep,
rolled off a bank into the river and drowned.
So visually, I was-
had this picture in my mind that I was gonna
go up there to this...
raging river, with rapids and rocks,
and that there was going to be this cliff.
All right. So, this is the first image
I get of what essentially is the scene.
Could someone roll down this incline?
Look how easy the footing is.
Yeah.
-This is such a gentle slope. -Yeah.
And then as you get closer to the water,
you've got some brush that may sustain you.
And then if he fell in, it's dead calm,
and just a few inches deep.
This, to me, is an area where somebody under those
circumstances could have easily saved themselves,
even if they're intoxicated.
They never even got through the front door on this one.
No crime scene, no forensic truck,
no holding of the scene until an autopsy.
There are just so many mistakes made,
and such a lack of effort here...
it's hard to fathom.
♪
Here's the second thing that wasn't done by investigators.
They never even bothered finding out who Stacy was.
You have to meet and speak to the family.
That's where you're gonna get your
basic background information...
on Stacy, and who he was and
how he lived, and, you know,
if there were any clues that may lead you to the reason
that he was (a) down by the river,
and (b) found in the river.
That's where the investigation starts in
virtually every case I've ever worked on.
Which is why I'm heading to Stacy's home.
Along for the ride is Stacy's older brother, Brad.
You said the house you grew up in is here on the highway?
-Yeah. -Yeah?
Third house on the right.
-Third house? -Yeah.
This one? So your whole family lived there?
Yeah.
♪
Stacy and Brad are from Rainy River First Nations,
about 400 kilometres west of Thunder Bay.
For people that didn't know him,
how would you describe your brother?
Easy going, happy go lucky.
He'd help you out, like, any way he can.
Give you the shirt off his back if he'd have to.
Imagine for a second that you've lost your brother
or your sister, tragically.
Even if it were an accident,
how would you expect to hear about it?
♪
I was outside working in the yard.
And my partner came home, and she said,
"I got some bad news."
She said, "They found Stacy in the river."
She heard it on the news.
So you heard through the news before you'd heard
through the police or anyone else?
Yeah.
I didn't know what to think, like, it was just...
[Exhaling sharply] Oh...
No phone call.
No visit from the police.
In that moment, did you have a sense of what to do?
Did you try to call somebody?
That's when I went to the police station.
See if I could speak with someone.
They said they were busy at the moment and
to come back the next day.
Then I asked to see his body.
The officer said the coroner was too busy.
Like they were trying to keep me away from
seeing him for some reason, like,
"Well, let's not..."
To keep him hidden,
like they're trying to hide something.
Iced out by the police and the coroner,
Brad had only one place left to turn...
the Chief of his reserve.
Back then, that was Jim Leonard.
Of course, I expressed my condolences, and then...
Brad indicated to me that there was something
funny about his death.
Do you remember his family living in the community?
Yes, I remember his family very well.
I knew his father and his mother and
all his brothers and sisters.
For those that have never been here,
just describe your community.
We're a small community,
350 people live on the community.
We live right by the river and it's part of our life.
♪
-Stacy knew how to swim. -Yeah, he knew how to swim.
How come he ended up in the water?
You know? I want to know that.
Do you think these cases...
of Indigenous people dying in the river in Thunder Bay
could be linked in any way?
I thought of that many times, and...
I do believe that some of these cases have been-
are linked. The details are far too similar.
What are the similar details too coincidental
to look past, for you?
When these young kids come from northern communities,
and they live by the water all their lives,
they know how to take care of themselves in water.
♪
Stacy's funeral reveals the third thing police
failed to do in their investigation.
♪
Brad, showed me photos of Stacy's arms,
which appeared to me to be-
to look like bite marks and various other marks.
His face didn't look normal.
His nose looked like it was bent.
And there was bruising on his face.
And, his cheek was puffed out,
and his jaw was puffed out.
When I talked to the coroner, they said,
"Oh, that's from being in the water."
That doesn't happen when somebody is in the water.
Doesn't "poof", blow up that quick.
When Brad showed you the photos,
what were your thoughts? What did you see?
Well, my thoughts were exactly the same as him.
It was concerning, very concerning.
♪
What do you think happened to Stacy?
I think they were having a party by the river,
and I think that it was a fight that happened.
And I think whoever he was fighting with...
put him in the river.
Do you think Stacy was...?
I think he was murdered.
♪
Out of all the things that were botched during the
Stacy DeBungee investigation,
and the one that screams, "no foul play, my ass"
the loudest, has to do with Stacy's debit card...
and the last few hours before he died.
Stacy went to the liquor store at
2 or 3 o'clock in the afternoon.
I found out quickly, he met some other people,
he purchased some alcohol.
He used his debit card to pull 20, 30, $40
out of the account and give it to them,
and they all went to the river to drink.
♪
If you spin around here, there's the liquor store
where his card was used.
There's the Canadian Tire where his card was used.
But here's the kicker.
When that card was being used in those places,
Stacy had already been pulled from the river.
-He was already dead. -He was dead.
And that card was being used around town.
Yeah.
You've gotta ask yourself, how in the hell did
investigators miss such a crucial piece of evidence...?
One that might point to the killer.
I said, "This might be a good time for us to go and
speak to the lead investigator at the
Thunder Bay Police Service," so we did.
Brad and I walked into the station together.
and so the detective sergeant came out,
and he was blunt, rude, like, "What do you want."
Brad said, "Well, I just want to talk to you
about my brother's case." "All right, fine. Come in."
And as we're entering, I'm walking in behind him,
and he turns around and he says,
"Who the hell are you?" I'm thinking,
"Wow, that's... that's quite an introduction."
And I said, "Look, I have information that
your investigators must have.
I know they don't have it.
It's critical, and so here's an extra business card.
Would you please have them call me,
it's important." He said, "Sure, I'll have them call."
And I said, "Well, I appreciate your time and effort,"
and I stuck my hand out,
and he didn't want to shake my hand.
That was it.
He didn't want to shake my hand.
I saw this wonderful human being that I got to know,
Brad DeBungee, being treated like
he was a stain on the floor.
You can probably guess what happened next.
Not a call.
Not a single bit of interest or follow up.
I've never seen such a negligent
death investigation in my entire career.
I've been doing this for over 40 years,
almost 45 years now.
Here's what the then Chief of Police had to say
about the evidence Dave uncovered.
Mr. Perry finds that Mr. DeBungee's
debit card is missing, and he further finds that
that debit card was used after his death.
Did you know about that debit card?
I don't believe the family shared that with us, no.
This is your town, your investigators,
and you say you didn't hear about any of it
until you read his report?
That's correct, yeah.
What does that say to you, as the man responsible
for investigations in Thunder Bay?
I think that there's a certain level of cooperation
that Mr. Perry, maybe, was able to get that we weren't.
Have you not gone back to those investigators and said,
"Did you ever ask about the debit card?
Did you ever interview these people?"
I try not to micromanage.
I'll let the investigators do their job.
But they didn't do their job in this case.
Hm...
Would you agree with that? They didn't do their job.
No, I wouldn't agree with that.
I don't know that they had the grounds to obtain
the information that Mr. Perry was able to obtain.
♪
On at least four crucial points,
Thunder Bay Police badly failed Stacy DeBungee.
♪
The big question I'm working on is why?
My gut feeling is...
they're covering something up.
There was nobody chasing them.
The only people being chased were
people like Brad DeBungee,
who were being chased out of the police station.
That's all that was happening.
But Brad, Chief Leonard,
and the entire Rainy River First Nations
weren't buying any of this "no foul play" business.
So they decided to turn up the heat.
Way up.
Seeing him, that was it for you.
You were gonna fight this through to the end?
Yeah.
What made you decide that you were gonna see this through?
Justice, it's, you know...
this has been happening to First Nations people
for too many- too long of a time, you know.
It's time to stand up and, and...
find out what's happening and
why these things are happening.
That's when I went to work and...
tried to find some legal representation.
Chief Leonard called six lawyers in Thunder Bay,
but no one wanted to touch it.
When I indicated what I was looking for,
what type of assistance, they just said,
"We're sorry, we can't help."
So it was obvious to me that they didn't want to
upset the powers to be in Thunder Bay.
But he finally finds one lawyer that's not afraid
to get his hands dirty...
[Clearing throat]
Julian Falconer.
No one knows what's actually going on at the rivers.
How do you lose this many people in a community
of the size of Thunder Bay?
Where did you want me to look?
[Off-screen] Into the lens. [Julian] This lens?
[Off-screen] Yes. [Julian] Yep.
These lives are being valued in, frankly, a racist way...
by those charged with investigating these deaths.
Julian Falconer is a good man.
He has it in his heart to do a good job.
♪
I remember Chief Jim Leonard saying to me that,
"My community is not gonna let this go."
And if you know Jim Leonard,
you will understand that he is a man of his word.
If that happened in your family, what would you do?
You would do exactly the same thing as I did, you know?
-Yeah. -You have to, you know.
So, I recommended what was missing was
a legitimate homicide investigation.
Why would it be that they issued a press release
saying, "No foul play suspected,"
when they hadn't done an autopsy yet?
When the post-mortem report hadn't come in?
Officers didn't take photos of the body or the scene,
did not interview key witnesses,
did not direct forensic officials
to seize certain items.
They couldn't have more miserably failed in
protecting the scene or the evidence if they had tried.
♪
It's this same police incompetence that led to
the botched investigation of those that came
before Stacy DeBungee's death...
the 7 Fallen Feathers,
and those that would come after-
Tammy Keeash, Josiah Begg...
both river deaths,
both ruled no foul play by the police.
No foul fucking play.
You can't keep doing the same thing over and over again,
producing exactly the same result over and over again,
and then tell everybody, "Oops, just another mistake."
Well, you know, I mean, it's not a mistake anymore.
It's on purpose.
[Birds chirping]
♪
I'll just relate a little story my son told me.
♪
He saw a deer that got caught in the quicksand...
struggling to get out,
but he was too far in the pit,
they couldn't reach him,
so they went and got the local farmer to shoot him.
[Gunshot]
[Geese honking]
♪
If that was a human being, they would have tried
to get him out, but it was just a deer.
Get the relation? "Just an Indian, so..."
So, Stacy was another "drunk Indian" that
rolled into the river.
What do you do if the cops-
the ones whose job it is to serve and protect-
won't listen?
Leonard has one phone call left to make...
to the police watch dog in the province of Ontario.
My name's Gerry McNeilly, a lawyer mediator.
I'm also the past Director of OIPRD.
The OIPRD is the only civilian office in the
province with the power of the
Attorney General behind it.
Its main function is to deal with complaints
from the public about police interactions.
Police must be held accountable.
We give them extraordinary powers.
They have the powers to stop you and I at any time
they want, be it legal or not.
They have the powers to carry weapons.
They have the powers to use those weapons.
It's not just like an average person
walking down the street.
As a police officer sworn to serve and protect,
we have a duty to always do the right thing,
to not cut corners.
You're being paid not to cut corners.
♪
He's heard about issues with the police work
in Thunder Bay, but he's shocked with
what he reads in the DeBungee file.
It was clear to me that there were inadequacies.
It was clear to me that procedures and
steps weren't being followed.
You know, there's nothing to investigate
'cause it appears as if he was inebriated,
was on the riverbank and rolled 10 feet into the river,
which doesn't seem reasonable- [Laughs]-
that you would roll that far.
That concerned me and, I decided that not only
was I gonna undertake an investigation into the
complaint dealing with the conduct issue,
I also decided at that time, because of my concerns
about issues in Thunder Bay,
that I was gonna undertake a systemic review.
A systemic review, not just Stacy DeBungee's case.
He's going to review all the cases.
♪
He's going to try to do what t-
get to the bottom of a broken system that
failed to solve those deaths.
What a systemic review is,
is when you see a pattern of behaviour,
when you see a pattern and an issue that the
public's concerned about or complaining about.
We reviewed 37 cases, and only because...
I couldn't review any more.
To do more would have taken us 10 years.
♪
That system Gerry McNeilly started digging into
is so bad now that those working deep inside it
are turning on themselves.
[Phone] I don't know what you know
or what you're interested in.
Well, I, I don't... I don't have...
I don't have... I don't have a card up my sleeve.
I don't know what I don't know.
Shockingly, a Thunder Bay officer has broken rank
to give me some inside information.
I have never had an officer speak to me for any reason
without the explicit permission of the leadership
and the communication staff.
[Kelly] You know more about those native, um...
[Ryan] The deaths, yeah. [Kelly] Deaths, yeah.
[Kelly] You know, like, it's hard to talk about.
You know, but I know right now
at the administration level, there's some kind of
weird conspiracy to hide things and whatnot.
[Ryan] What I am trying to uncover is there's a cover up
inside the Thunder Bay Police,
and it's associated with these deaths,
somehow, some way.
[Kelly] Well, I would have said you were wrong.
I would have went, "There's no fucking way."
You know, I would have just guessed
death by misadventure, like, suicide...
Legit. But now...
I don't know, I don't know what else is there.
[Ryan] Yeah.
This is why I think, like, you know, we, we...
we have to spend time together to kind of
come up with a plan.
Like, we're not, we're not gonna indict individual cops
on, on things they did or didn't do.
[Kelly] Yeah.
This is really about putting the puzzle pieces together
from as many different sources as we can,
to get a clear picture, right?
[Kelly] Yeah, there's a few of the guys that we can get you
to talk to all the right people, and they might be able to
ask the questions that you want to ask.
[Ryan] All right, we'll do it that way then.
[Kelly] Yeah, for sure... Take care.
-All right, bye-bye. -Bye.
It's, like, it's not comfortable talking to these, guy...
You know?
But these are decisions we have to make, I guess.
♪
Ever since I got here, I haven't been able
to shake the feeling that there's something the
Thunder Bay Police are covering up.
And now the cops, themselves, are backing that theory.
But what it was wouldn't bec.
♪
It takes Gerry McNeilly over two years to complete
his systemic review of the Thunder Bay Police Force.
♪
It was December, and...
on the weekend, the body of Braiden Jacob
was discovered on a golf course.
[News] Braiden Jacob from Webequie First Nation.
He was reported missing on December the 6th in
Thunder Bay, and after three days of searching,
his body was found by a passerby.
It was another young person with an unexplained death,
all of a sudden. The city was just on boil.
Gerry McNeilly's team didn't just analyze the
37 Indigenous sudden death cases, themselves.
They also analyzed the conduct of the Thunder Bay
Police Service, and the coroner's office,
in regards to how they handled these cases.
This was completely unprecedented.
♪
The room in the basement of the DaVinci Centre
was packed with reporters...
And they're going to release the results
of this two-year investigation.
I was there in the front row.
Former Chief Jim Leonard was there,
the DeBungees represented by Brad was there,
the leadership were there, Grand Chief Alvin Fiddler.
There was just a lot of anticipation and
a lot of hope.
♪
[Speaker] I'd like to introduce Director McNeilly.
I had a sleepless night. I'll be quite honest,
you know, because it was a big event.
I knew I was going to say some things that
some people may take the wrong way.
But I got there with my team, we were ready.
♪
Before I begin, I would like to acknowledge that
we are meeting here on the traditional lands of
the Fort William First Nation.
And we open up this report...
So let me talk about the investigations.
I found a number of investigators lacked the
expertise and the experience to conduct sudden-death,
death, or homicide investigations.
Interviews were often poorly conducted or
not conducted at all.
On multiple occasions, we saw that investigations
failed to even find out the results of the autopsy.
Officers concluded that "death by drowning"
meant that the death was innocently caused,
rather than investigating how the deceased
came to be in the water.
[Applauding]
Slowly, methodically, and thoroughly,
Gerry McNeilly peeled back the layers of the story.
And, in that moment, it was all too clear-
this report was historic and troubling.
This is dead to rights.
This is two-year investigation with 200 pages
finding the most outrageous problems
in the police service.
And at the centre of all these accusations was the
newly appointed police chief, Sylvie Hauth.
I found, that in my review of cases,
Thunder Bay Police Service investigators,
they failed on an unacceptably high number of occasions
to treat or protect the deceased and his or
her family equally and without discrimination-
because- because the deceased was Indigenous.
We interviewed some, like,
39 current and past police officers,
past police chief, the current chief and deputies.
I think what troubled me with some of those interviews was
the lackadaisical perspective or view of the issues.
I also spoke to some officers who basically denied that
there was any racism or discrimination taking place.
One officer in particular, I kept referring to
dealing with the Indigenous population
as Indigenous people,
and he kept referring to them as "Indians".
It didn't matter how many times I said "Indigenous",
he came back with "Indians." "They're just an Indian."
And in no uncertain terms, and McNeilly says it
in the exact way he writes it in the report...
[Overlapping voices] Overall, I find systemic racism exists
in Thunder Bay Police Service at an institutional level.
[Applauding]
While it is understood that much of the mistrust
Indigenous people feel towards police is rooted in
the history of colonialism, that does not
in any way relieve Thunder Bay Police Service
of its obligation to earn the trust
of Indigenous people.
Framing my review in regards to issues of colonialism was
very important to me because that's part of the problem,
and not just Ontario, all over Canada,
and it was absolutely necessary for me to
frame it in terms of colonialism because
that's the problem we have to eradicate.
I recommend that Thunder Bay Police Service leadership
publicly and formally acknowledge that racism
exists at all levels within the Police Service,
and that it will not tolerate racist views or actions.
[Cheering & applauding]
[Applauding]
I have never seen a standing ovation in a
press conference before, of any kind.
This was something else.
[News] At the news conference,
it got so emotional at times. What stood out for you?
This report is absolutely devastating for
the Thunder Bay Police.
What it found was deep failures when it came to,
you know, one of the core jobs of a police force.
In Canadian history, there is no comparable report.
I want to be clear- this is not theatrics,
I am not exaggerating.
You cannot find a report that declares
an entire police service systemically racist.
It doesn't exist.
I found a little comfort when I read the report.
It kind of put me at ease to find that
my theory was legitimate.
Finally, an entire community vindicated.
When you're Indigenous, sometimes,
the only way you know you're not being gaslit
by an entire country...
is a shiny report written in black and white.
♪
For the Indigenous community,
I think it was just validation...
that their voice was finally being heard and
that it was actually being documented.
The report offers the chance of a new beginning,
a clean slate, and a better future.
I think and hope that people see this
as a positive first step.
Instead, the moment turns into an old-fashioned
cowboy and Indian standoff.
Barriers do exist within the police.
-Not barriers, though, racism. -No, I'm- Let me talk.
There are barriers within the policing.
We're in the scrum, and Willow Fiddler is hammering
Sylvie Hauth, asking her over and over again,
and finally just says, "Why won't you just say,
'systemic racism'?"
We've got a report right in front of us here in writing
from the Province of Ontario that says your institution
is systemically racist.
Why can't you just say that?
Did you feel like the OIPRD review was a chance at change?
Yeah, I had that feeling for about 10 seconds.
♪
Well, the whole system has to change before there's
anything good gonna come out of this.
It's gonna keep going if they don't change it.
And that's when Georjann Morriseau enters the story.
How sick of winter are you?
Oh, I'm, like, just gross sick, like...
Time to order pizza and hope for the best.
Right?
One of Gerry McNeilly's key recommendations designed to
end systemic racism in the Thunder Bay Police is the
appointment of an Indigenous member
on the Police Services Board.
And that person is Georjann Morriseau,
who comes in with high hopes to make a difference.
♪
It's the overall culture of that-
of the environment that will change, you know?
And you will see these changes,
so long as we're properly implementing these
strategies, anti-racism strategies.
Sure.
Georjann has a history of community leadership,
and for getting things done.
I did not want to be the chair at first.
I told them, "I will not be a token Indian."
Like I said, I'm qualified first and foremost.
By the age of 28, she was elected
Chief of Fort William First Nation.
And now, she's a member of a board responsible for
reshaping the police culture in Thunder Bay.
A voice to be reckoned with.
I said to the board, "How well do you know
Georjann Morriseau? Because she's incredibly
intelligent, hardworking, informed and diligent.
She will not be a pushover."
I saw my role on the board as an opportunity
to change the narrative, an opportunity to
dig in and really get the work done, for my people...
and for the city at large.
[Ryan] This was meant to be a restart.
This was the dawn of a new day.
-It was the beautiful sunrise. -Right.
This was going to make everyone happy.
And the city desperately needed a win.
Yes.
There was a sense of optimism.
This was an opportunity to do this all over again.
And Georjann Morriseau is going to be there
to lead the way.
♪
But right from the start, things go off the rails.
Throughout that year of being Chair,
when I confronted the Chief,
could never get a straight answer.
Anything I brought to the table,
they would find ways to either get it off the table,
ignore me, interjecting and interrupting me.
Police Services Board's role is to
really oversee the Chief.
Basically, the Chief reports to the Police Services Board.
If a chief is not following his or her obligations
as a sworn police officer, police chief,
then the board has to act.
Apparently, Chief Hauth wasn't too crazy
about being challenged.
Every meeting became a fight.
♪
The Chief, on a phone call...
screams at me and says, "Shut the fuck up!
Shut your mouth!" to me.
So, I'm like, "Did that just happen?"
And I said, "I will not shut up."
It was all because I asked for accountability and
transparency, which included me.
♪
But Georjann isn't the only one feeling the pressure.
My source, Officer Kelly Walsh,
has agreed to meet face to face.
♪
How was today?
Ah, lots of, lots of talk.
Lots of phone calls, lots of messages and whatnot.
Yeah.
What are officers saying to you?
You don't have to give me names, you know,
but what are, what are people saying, like...?
The feel from the guys that I've been talking to,
and lots of them, is that everyone's afraid to come
forward with anything because
anyone that speaks out, they come after.
They will find a reason to make your life a living hell.
And, you know, they monitor everyone's Facebook pages.
-They do? -Oh! [Laughing]
Oh, yeah, guys get charged all the time if they put
something on Facebook, if they say the wrong thing.
-Really? -Oh, yeah.
They're fucking bad.
This is as bad as I've ever seen it.
I have not seen it this bad before,
and I've been around.
-This is my ninth chief. -Holy fuck.
I, literally, I wish I could just go on right now.
I mean, it's gonna come out eventually, like...
This is this the, this is, you know...
[Sighing]
It's a fucking old movie cliché that
you see in cop movies.
It's impossible to bring down a police force.
I'm trying to stay positive,
but I need to talk to more officers,
and you've been a great help.
-Guys are afraid. -I understand.
We don't fucking lose.
Well, let me know what I can do.
I'll do whatever now.
I'm, I'm, I'm in the fight with you.
-I know. -So...
-Let's get the fuck out here. -Yeah.
Yeah.
♪
As all hell is breaking loose,
I'm reminded of what Julian said about the
Thunder Bay Police Service when the
Broken Trust Report was released.
The lawyer, Julian Falconer, is standing with
Brad DeBungee saying to the national media...
If after three years...
they have not complied with the recommendations,
they ought to be disbanded.
Well, we're at three years now.
And for Georjann and the rest of us,
the nightmare was just beginning.
♪
I'm writing today to make my first public statement
against the Chief of Police.
This place is in the midst of a civil war.
Hi there, looking to talk with Chief Sylvie Hauth.
I'm being called a liar. I'm being targeted,
attacked, spied on, to ruin my life.
It's nothing short of racially tainted
harassment and discrimination.
[Gunshots]
There's something sinister going on.
If you speak up, you're on the hit list.
I think you have to see this.
[Off-screen] What? [Ryan] Holy shit.
I hope they get what's coming to them.
I hope the public sees.
I know they can see through these fucking windows.
They were watching us last time we left here.
The day is coming, something's gonna happen.
Am I gonna be alive to see another day?
The wheels are about to come off of this thing.
Oh, fuck, I'm gonna fucking throw up.
These are people, and we are treating them like garbage.
When you fuck up, you don't get to
lock your doors and hide.
♪