1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,974                ♪ 2 00:00:08,008 --> 00:00:10,043  [News] Thunder Bay police are    releasing a few more details 3 00:00:10,077 --> 00:00:12,913  about the tragic discovery of     a body in the waterway near 4 00:00:12,946 --> 00:00:15,682      the Thunder Centre on             Saturday afternoon. 5 00:00:15,716 --> 00:00:18,151       He's described as a             slim Aboriginal male. 6 00:00:18,185 --> 00:00:19,820     He may have been in the           company of others... 7 00:00:19,853 --> 00:00:22,255    in the area at that time. 8 00:00:22,289 --> 00:00:24,424    [Ryan] To understand why so       many Indigenous deaths in 9 00:00:24,458 --> 00:00:27,227     Thunder Bay have been so          badly investigated and 10 00:00:27,260 --> 00:00:29,362        dismissed by police               as accidental... 11 00:00:29,396 --> 00:00:31,732           [Applauding] 12 00:00:31,765 --> 00:00:32,866     ...you have to go back to           the release of the 13 00:00:32,899 --> 00:00:37,104   Broken Trust Report, and its         historic conclusion. 14 00:00:37,137 --> 00:00:40,040      Overall, I found that          systemic racism exists in 15 00:00:40,073 --> 00:00:43,376    Thunder Bay Police Service       at an institutional level. 16 00:00:43,410 --> 00:00:45,412     [Cheering & applauding] 17 00:00:45,445 --> 00:00:48,548       Systemic racism at an          institutional level means 18 00:00:48,582 --> 00:00:51,284      that the entire police           system in Thunder Bay 19 00:00:51,318 --> 00:00:55,455       is driven by racism-             from top to bottom. 20 00:00:55,489 --> 00:00:58,225    And for those that operate         in that racist system, 21 00:00:58,258 --> 00:01:00,093        Indigenous lives... 22 00:01:00,127 --> 00:01:01,595   don't really matter as much. 23 00:01:08,001 --> 00:01:10,971          Think of that                 system as a beehive. 24 00:01:11,004 --> 00:01:13,206       But instead of worker              bees and drones, 25 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,910      you have street cops,          detectives, deputy chiefs. 26 00:01:16,943 --> 00:01:19,579     And responsible for every           single move within 27 00:01:19,613 --> 00:01:23,250        that racist system,                is a queen bee. 28 00:01:23,283 --> 00:01:25,252          In Thunder Bay,                  that queen bee 29 00:01:25,285 --> 00:01:28,955          is Police Chief                   Sylvie Hauth. 30 00:01:28,989 --> 00:01:32,058       And the time has come             to flush the hive. 31 00:01:32,092 --> 00:01:35,328                ♪ 32 00:01:35,362 --> 00:01:43,103        [Rolling thunder] 33 00:01:47,207 --> 00:01:58,018                ♪ 34 00:01:58,051 --> 00:02:00,954       It's been four years             now since my podcast. 35 00:02:00,987 --> 00:02:04,257     And on nights like this,          I have to wonder what- 36 00:02:04,291 --> 00:02:07,327           if anything-                  it's accomplished. 37 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,497                ♪ 38 00:02:10,530 --> 00:02:13,700         Can Thunder Bay                truly ever be fixed? 39 00:02:13,733 --> 00:02:17,704      Will Indigenous people             ever be safe here? 40 00:02:17,737 --> 00:02:20,207         And how many more                 have to die... 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,643     before something is done? 42 00:02:23,677 --> 00:02:25,812      And here's the problem: 43 00:02:25,846 --> 00:02:28,181    one of the recommendations       that came out of the 2018 44 00:02:28,215 --> 00:02:30,617       Broken Trust Report-               designed to fix 45 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:31,985    Thunder Bay's broken system 46 00:02:32,018 --> 00:02:35,722      and end systemic racism          in its Police Service- 47 00:02:35,755 --> 00:02:39,125   was to appoint an Indigenous     person to sit on its board, 48 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:42,996      the only governing body       Chief Hauth has to listen to. 49 00:02:43,029 --> 00:02:45,298       And, you'll remember, 50 00:02:45,332 --> 00:02:47,868          that person was                Georjann Morriseau. 51 00:02:47,901 --> 00:02:49,469        But, from the very                   beginning, 52 00:02:49,502 --> 00:02:51,404       she and Police Chief                Sylvie Hauth- 53 00:02:51,438 --> 00:02:54,074          the queen bee-             have been going at it like 54 00:02:54,107 --> 00:02:57,510    cats and dogs, stalling any          chance of progress. 55 00:02:57,544 --> 00:03:02,816                ♪ 56 00:03:02,849 --> 00:03:05,418         It's especially                damning after 2018. 57 00:03:05,452 --> 00:03:07,220       At the end of 2018,                   you know, 58 00:03:07,254 --> 00:03:11,491        that was meant to                 be a big reset. 59 00:03:11,524 --> 00:03:13,526      Yeah, and since 2018, 60 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,730        I would say we've                 gone backwards. 61 00:03:16,763 --> 00:03:19,399     This is not a failure to             communicate that 62 00:03:19,432 --> 00:03:21,067    we are experiencing here. 63 00:03:21,101 --> 00:03:24,271          This is a very                 legitimate divide. 64 00:03:24,304 --> 00:03:27,674      They made her believe           that this was a new day, 65 00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:30,844  this was a new thing, that we    were going in a direction now 66 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:34,781         where her voice               would be appreciated. 67 00:03:34,814 --> 00:03:36,249    On the outside, you know, 68 00:03:36,283 --> 00:03:38,184       we're talking about             Joe and Janet Canada, 69 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:40,053   who read the press releases              and look at 70 00:03:40,086 --> 00:03:42,289       the Facebook posts,                    and... 71 00:03:42,322 --> 00:03:46,126       it looks like things               are being done. 72 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:49,095      But, when you have the          information- and we have 73 00:03:49,129 --> 00:03:52,432    the information- it's like          we're being gaslit. 74 00:03:52,465 --> 00:03:55,201       Mhm. I can work with            anybody and, you know, 75 00:03:55,235 --> 00:03:57,771    and carry out my duties... 76 00:03:57,804 --> 00:04:00,307      effectively, but when             I'm at this point, 77 00:04:00,340 --> 00:04:03,276      it has to be very bad,            and it is very bad. 78 00:04:03,310 --> 00:04:11,918                ♪ 79 00:04:11,952 --> 00:04:15,055          Okay, I can't                   drive like this. 80 00:04:15,088 --> 00:04:18,291       This window is full               of ice and snow. 81 00:04:18,325 --> 00:04:22,729  I got to defrost this vehicle. 82 00:04:22,762 --> 00:04:24,597      Is there a snow brush            back there somewhere? 83 00:04:24,631 --> 00:04:27,000         [Ryan] Anywhere?              [Off-screen] There is. 84 00:04:27,033 --> 00:04:30,070    I'm wondering what exactly       has to happen here to get 85 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:33,073    this process of fixing the       Police Board back on track? 86 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:35,342                ♪ 87 00:04:35,375 --> 00:04:37,444         Worst off are the               Indigenous families 88 00:04:37,477 --> 00:04:39,412     still without answers... 89 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:41,514   about their dead loved ones. 90 00:04:41,548 --> 00:04:46,820       It's heartbreaking,              devastating to see. 91 00:04:46,853 --> 00:04:49,923       Just so much of this              is trauma, right? 92 00:04:49,956 --> 00:04:54,427       And it's compounded              by ongoing trauma. 93 00:04:57,163 --> 00:04:58,498              Fuck! 94 00:04:58,531 --> 00:05:00,900      Fucking unbelievable. 95 00:05:02,969 --> 00:05:05,572     Well, that's one way to       fucking do it in a snowstorm. 96 00:05:09,042 --> 00:05:12,178          The frustration                 eats away at you. 97 00:05:12,212 --> 00:05:14,047      You try to get answers. 98 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,984      But you only come away            with more questions. 99 00:05:18,018 --> 00:05:19,019        [Police Operator]               You have reached the 100 00:05:19,052 --> 00:05:20,987   Thunder Bay Police Service. 101 00:05:21,021 --> 00:05:22,989         If you know your                party's extension, 102 00:05:23,023 --> 00:05:26,226   please dial it at any time.     If you would like to report... 103 00:05:26,259 --> 00:05:28,695         [Phone beeping] 104 00:05:28,728 --> 00:05:30,030             [Phone]                      Media relations. 105 00:05:30,063 --> 00:05:31,998      Hi, it's Ryan McMahon            calling. How are you? 106 00:05:32,032 --> 00:05:33,400     [Phone] I'm doing well,               how are you? 107 00:05:33,433 --> 00:05:37,370         I'm looking for             interviews, conversations. 108 00:05:37,404 --> 00:05:40,707       I'd really like to               ask some questions. 109 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:42,409   [Phone] Okay, who would you           like to speak to? 110 00:05:42,442 --> 00:05:45,712        [Ryan] Everybody.             [Phone] Everybody, okay. 111 00:05:45,745 --> 00:05:47,180       Yeah, well, I mean,                I would like to 112 00:05:47,213 --> 00:05:49,849         sit across from                   Sylvie Hauth. 113 00:05:49,883 --> 00:05:52,919  [Phone] Okay, I don't want to-      I don't want to make you 114 00:05:52,952 --> 00:05:54,554     think I'm throwing you          around like a hot potato, 115 00:05:54,587 --> 00:05:57,657    but my boss would be able        to assist you with that. 116 00:05:57,690 --> 00:06:00,560   Is he in today, do you know?          Have you seen him? 117 00:06:00,593 --> 00:06:03,530 [Phone] Uh, yeah, he's currently       showing on my screen 118 00:06:03,563 --> 00:06:05,899      as "unreachable", so I          guess he's in a meeting, 119 00:06:05,932 --> 00:06:07,534     but he is in this week. 120 00:06:07,567 --> 00:06:09,102          You've got my                  number now, so... 121 00:06:09,135 --> 00:06:11,538        [Ryan] I sure do.          I hope to hear from you soon. 122 00:06:11,571 --> 00:06:13,506             [Phone]                     Okay, sounds good. 123 00:06:16,242 --> 00:06:17,944            [Sighing] 124 00:06:17,977 --> 00:06:20,847     You know, it feels like         we're being jerked around. 125 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,749     You're just iced out of          this building, just... 126 00:06:22,782 --> 00:06:25,385            [Sighing] 127 00:06:25,418 --> 00:06:27,520  You're just de facto iced out,       and that's it, that's, 128 00:06:27,554 --> 00:06:30,423    that's what you get, so... 129 00:06:30,457 --> 00:06:33,460  At the heart of this, for me,       is the families, right? 130 00:06:33,493 --> 00:06:37,297     And, just the ongoing... 131 00:06:37,330 --> 00:06:40,100     struggle to accept that           they may never get... 132 00:06:40,133 --> 00:06:42,435     any answers or closure. 133 00:06:42,469 --> 00:06:46,139                ♪ 134 00:06:46,172 --> 00:06:48,708    If those at the top of the      police pyramid don't want to 135 00:06:48,741 --> 00:06:51,544      talk to me, maybe those            at the bottom will. 136 00:06:51,578 --> 00:06:54,080                ♪ 137 00:06:54,114 --> 00:06:55,715          In Thunder Bay,                   the ice rink 138 00:06:55,748 --> 00:06:58,551        is like a community                 water cooler. 139 00:06:58,585 --> 00:07:02,088     If there's shit to talk,         this is where it happens. 140 00:07:02,122 --> 00:07:05,658     That's why I'm meeting a         30-year veteran cop here. 141 00:07:05,692 --> 00:07:07,627     I'm hoping he'll open up          about what's happening 142 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:10,563       on the inside, with             Police Chief Hauth and 143 00:07:10,597 --> 00:07:13,833       the other leaders on              the second floor. 144 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:16,603         It's Kelly Walsh. 145 00:07:16,636 --> 00:07:19,239     You might remember him as          the guy who I've been 146 00:07:19,272 --> 00:07:21,174         secretly meeting               these past few weeks. 147 00:07:21,207 --> 00:07:22,008          Uh, lots of... 148 00:07:22,041 --> 00:07:24,177          lots of talk,                 lots of phone calls. 149 00:07:24,210 --> 00:07:28,081  Lots of messages and whatnot.               -Yeah. 150 00:07:28,114 --> 00:07:31,651    He recently quit the force,        and I want to know why. 151 00:07:31,684 --> 00:07:34,654      But he's still a little           cagey about details. 152 00:07:34,687 --> 00:07:36,523    Everyone's afraid to come          forward with anything 153 00:07:36,556 --> 00:07:39,592   because, anyone that speaks         out, they come after. 154 00:07:39,626 --> 00:07:42,996   They will find a reason to      make your life a living hell. 155 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:44,531   You ready for the puck drop? 156 00:07:44,564 --> 00:07:46,499           Here we go. 157 00:07:46,533 --> 00:07:49,102                ♪ 158 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:52,338    I can tell Kelly wants to       get something off his chest. 159 00:07:52,372 --> 00:07:56,476      The question is, is he            ready to talk today? 160 00:07:56,509 --> 00:07:59,012           [Laughing]                   I don't trust Ryan. 161 00:07:59,045 --> 00:08:00,346        I think he's going              to give me an elbow. 162 00:08:00,380 --> 00:08:01,548            [Laughing] 163 00:08:01,581 --> 00:08:04,317   I have never successfully... 164 00:08:04,350 --> 00:08:07,387           ever had a                  rank-and-file officer 165 00:08:07,420 --> 00:08:09,889    speak to me on the record. 166 00:08:09,923 --> 00:08:14,027     That has never happened. 167 00:08:14,060 --> 00:08:16,863        The response has                 universally been, 168 00:08:16,896 --> 00:08:19,232     "Nope, absolutely not." 169 00:08:19,265 --> 00:08:20,633            [Laughing] 170 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:22,202       Welcome to Northern              Ontario, eh, Ryan? 171 00:08:22,235 --> 00:08:24,470            [Laughing] 172 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:28,408        Walsh is out here             giving out concussions. 173 00:08:28,441 --> 00:08:30,076      You might be thinking, 174 00:08:30,109 --> 00:08:32,712          why is McMahon               cozying up to the cops? 175 00:08:32,745 --> 00:08:35,315    And that's a fair question. 176 00:08:35,348 --> 00:08:38,718        I'm not, and it's               not easy to be here. 177 00:08:38,751 --> 00:08:40,853        You know, police... 178 00:08:40,887 --> 00:08:42,555       Indigenous people... 179 00:08:42,589 --> 00:08:43,990        you know the story. 180 00:08:44,023 --> 00:08:46,559             Whoa-ho!                           Yes! 181 00:08:46,593 --> 00:08:50,029           Game winner!                   There's the man. 182 00:08:50,063 --> 00:08:53,233         Whoa, he does a                 little celly, too. 183 00:08:53,266 --> 00:08:55,535         Oh, you gave me                   a concussion. 184 00:08:55,568 --> 00:08:56,903     I gave you a snow wash. 185 00:08:56,936 --> 00:08:59,372            [Laughing] 186 00:09:03,109 --> 00:09:04,277        I'm gonna tell you              something right now. 187 00:09:04,310 --> 00:09:05,778             -Yeah.                  -Police Services Board... 188 00:09:05,812 --> 00:09:08,281     They should be disgusted             with themselves. 189 00:09:08,314 --> 00:09:10,516   Most guys would rather go to     a gun call than walk in that 190 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:12,885        fucking station,               and see those people. 191 00:09:12,919 --> 00:09:15,521     That's how much hatred           there is, and distrust. 192 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:18,458   I'll tell you that for free. 193 00:09:18,491 --> 00:09:20,059         I hope they get               what's coming to them. 194 00:09:20,093 --> 00:09:25,231      I hope they, I hope,            I hope the public sees. 195 00:09:25,265 --> 00:09:29,269       What did he mean by,           "I hope the public sees"? 196 00:09:29,302 --> 00:09:30,937            Sees what? 197 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:32,905                ♪ 198 00:09:32,939 --> 00:09:34,574      What's going on behind              the walls of the 199 00:09:34,607 --> 00:09:37,377    Thunder Bay Police Service? 200 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:39,145           How could the                 Broken Trust Report 201 00:09:39,178 --> 00:09:42,749   have had such little effect? 202 00:09:42,782 --> 00:09:44,550          To the best of                 our understanding, 203 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:49,155       there was no meeting                  following 204 00:09:49,188 --> 00:09:51,124   the release of the reports. 205 00:09:51,157 --> 00:09:53,426       There was no email. 206 00:09:53,459 --> 00:09:55,561        There was nothing. 207 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:58,965   It was never directed to us      at the Service by anyone in 208 00:09:58,998 --> 00:10:02,101     the leadership capacity             to say, you know, 209 00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:05,838    "We expect you, or we're        ordering you to read this." 210 00:10:05,872 --> 00:10:08,441     There's all this rabble               in the public 211 00:10:08,474 --> 00:10:10,576      about systemic racism, 212 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:13,479     and these officers are           not being told by their 213 00:10:13,513 --> 00:10:17,417   leadership what that means,         how to understand it. 214 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:20,353   They're not being ordered to      read this report, clearly. 215 00:10:20,386 --> 00:10:24,490   And in the meantime, how do     we expect anything to change? 216 00:10:24,524 --> 00:10:26,626     Who is this for anyway? 217 00:10:26,659 --> 00:10:28,661        What are we doing                  all this for? 218 00:10:28,695 --> 00:10:32,532                ♪ 219 00:10:32,565 --> 00:10:35,601  It really shows another level      of how dysfunctional and 220 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,804      toxic the Service is. 221 00:10:37,837 --> 00:10:40,807   [Ryan] What does it tell you        about that workplace? 222 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,142            [Laughing] 223 00:10:43,176 --> 00:10:45,178      That nobody should be               working there. 224 00:10:45,211 --> 00:10:47,647                ♪ 225 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:49,449         I loved my job,                my career was good. 226 00:10:49,482 --> 00:10:50,583              Yeah. 227 00:10:50,616 --> 00:10:53,319    I was almost, almost out.        I was almost out, almost- 228 00:10:53,353 --> 00:10:55,621     I almost served my life             sentence, my 33. 229 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:57,390    -I was gonna go 35 years.                 -Right. 230 00:10:57,423 --> 00:10:59,492  But I couldn't go back there,           there's no way. 231 00:10:59,525 --> 00:11:01,961     I retired to get better. 232 00:11:01,994 --> 00:11:04,364     In case you're wondering          what any of this could 233 00:11:04,397 --> 00:11:06,999   possibly have to do with the       botched investigation of 234 00:11:07,033 --> 00:11:11,037      nine Indigenous deaths,               think again. 235 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:13,573       We already know that              Indigenous people 236 00:11:13,606 --> 00:11:16,209       in Thunder Bay have                already been so 237 00:11:16,242 --> 00:11:20,146   dehumanized by the police... 238 00:11:20,179 --> 00:11:23,082    that, for the police to be       in such a state that it's 239 00:11:23,116 --> 00:11:27,320    in now, imposes a further          risk on them, right? 240 00:11:27,353 --> 00:11:28,521      I mean, if the police               already didn't 241 00:11:28,554 --> 00:11:31,657     care about them before,                 you know, 242 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:33,092           all of this                  started coming out, 243 00:11:33,126 --> 00:11:36,229       then what does that              mean for them now? 244 00:11:44,804 --> 00:11:47,073         If I'm frustrated                 by all of this, 245 00:11:47,106 --> 00:11:50,109   I can only imagine what it's     like for Georjann Morriseau, 246 00:11:50,143 --> 00:11:54,347   who's stuck in the crosshairs      of that fucked-up system. 247 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:55,448        [Georjann] Hello? 248 00:11:55,481 --> 00:11:56,382        Hey, how are you? 249 00:11:56,416 --> 00:11:58,284    [Georjann] I'm okay, just-            the whole, like, 250 00:11:58,317 --> 00:11:59,152     the last week and a bit, 251 00:11:59,185 --> 00:12:00,720     just kind of catching up              to me, right? 252 00:12:00,753 --> 00:12:01,921              Yeah. 253 00:12:01,954 --> 00:12:02,889  [Georjann] Didn't really sleep     much last night, so I was, 254 00:12:02,922 --> 00:12:05,691       like, up off and on             throughout the night. 255 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:09,429     For Georjann, things have        reached a boiling point. 256 00:12:09,462 --> 00:12:12,765                ♪ 257 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:14,767        Instead of fixing                systemic racism in 258 00:12:14,801 --> 00:12:16,769          the Thunder Bay                   Police Force, 259 00:12:16,803 --> 00:12:19,605      Chief Hauth has decided            to investigate the 260 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:23,943      one Indigenous person           that's trying to fix it. 261 00:12:23,976 --> 00:12:27,613        This board really               doesn't give a shit. 262 00:12:27,647 --> 00:12:30,082 I'm the one in their sightline,         I am the target. 263 00:12:30,116 --> 00:12:32,418      They see nothing else,            including the Chief, 264 00:12:32,452 --> 00:12:34,287    and they're allowing that. 265 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,457     All because they did not             like that I was 266 00:12:37,490 --> 00:12:41,227          bringing real                 issues to the table, 267 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:44,764     and that I was also very         transparent publicly... 268 00:12:44,797 --> 00:12:46,933       about the work that              needed to be done, 269 00:12:46,966 --> 00:12:48,801        and all because I             wouldn't be some little 270 00:12:48,835 --> 00:12:51,270   minion puppet on the board. 271 00:12:51,304 --> 00:12:53,306          So, they were                  upset about that. 272 00:12:53,339 --> 00:12:55,942   "We can't control that one." 273 00:12:55,975 --> 00:12:58,344          What made you                pull the trigger on a 274 00:12:58,377 --> 00:13:01,647          Human Rights                  Tribunal complaint? 275 00:13:01,681 --> 00:13:06,986        What made me pull                the trigger is... 276 00:13:07,019 --> 00:13:10,156   the Chief on a phone call... 277 00:13:10,189 --> 00:13:11,991     screams at me and says, 278 00:13:12,024 --> 00:13:15,261        "Shut the fuck up.            Shut your mouth," to me. 279 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:16,996             I said,                   "I'm done with this." 280 00:13:17,029 --> 00:13:18,297      That was one of those           moments where I'm like, 281 00:13:18,331 --> 00:13:19,265     "Can I really do this?"                  I said, 282 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:23,369     "I will make a decision          by tomorrow morning... 283 00:13:23,402 --> 00:13:27,640   as to whether I'm even going     to continue on this board." 284 00:13:27,673 --> 00:13:29,609      That's when a familiar             face gets dragged 285 00:13:29,642 --> 00:13:31,711    back into this crazy story. 286 00:13:31,744 --> 00:13:33,513          Like I said,              I'm living, breathing this, 287 00:13:33,546 --> 00:13:36,349       so it should all be                 top of mind. 288 00:13:36,382 --> 00:13:39,485        Georjann Morriseau             contacted me and said, 289 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:42,021     "I just feel like I need         some legal backup here. 290 00:13:42,054 --> 00:13:43,789          I don't know                   what's going on." 291 00:13:43,823 --> 00:13:47,026    She felt this was starting      to feel like retaliation and 292 00:13:47,059 --> 00:13:52,732     harassment in regard to        seeking that accountability. 293 00:13:52,765 --> 00:13:54,734      You know, when you're             fighting monsters, 294 00:13:54,767 --> 00:13:56,168           when you're,                    when you're... 295 00:13:56,202 --> 00:13:59,005     trying to create change,             it takes a toll. 296 00:13:59,038 --> 00:14:00,706       It absolutely does. 297 00:14:00,740 --> 00:14:04,577      I did everything I can           to work with everyone. 298 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:06,379        But you know what?            I'm being called a liar, 299 00:14:06,412 --> 00:14:09,015       I'm being targeted,              attacked, spied on, 300 00:14:09,048 --> 00:14:12,051         to ruin my life. 301 00:14:12,084 --> 00:14:15,855   They've invaded her phone,       they've invaded her home... 302 00:14:15,888 --> 00:14:18,558         and her family. 303 00:14:18,591 --> 00:14:22,562    In our view, it's nothing        short of racially tainted 304 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:24,730         harassment and                   discrimination. 305 00:14:24,764 --> 00:14:29,001                ♪ 306 00:14:29,035 --> 00:14:32,672        The next day, I get             a call from Georjann. 307 00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:34,607         She has a plan... 308 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,342          to fight back. 309 00:14:36,375 --> 00:14:38,878    Georjann is not one that's         going to sit back and 310 00:14:38,911 --> 00:14:41,280     let things happen that           shouldn't be happening. 311 00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:44,417                ♪ 312 00:14:44,450 --> 00:14:46,586       She's stressing out. 313 00:14:46,619 --> 00:14:48,588   Georjann is really stressed. 314 00:14:48,621 --> 00:14:51,424              Oops.                          [Sighing] 315 00:14:51,457 --> 00:14:56,028             -Aaniin!                         -Aanii! 316 00:14:56,062 --> 00:14:58,097    She's about to go all-in... 317 00:14:58,130 --> 00:15:00,299       in a very public way. 318 00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:05,371   Because of the complete lack     of response from the board, 319 00:15:05,404 --> 00:15:07,707     member Morriseau decided            she wanted to have 320 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:09,809    a little press conference, 321 00:15:09,842 --> 00:15:12,111    and just put her position        out there 'cause she was 322 00:15:12,144 --> 00:15:15,648     getting tarnished in the           press by the board. 323 00:15:15,681 --> 00:15:17,750     The public needs to know           that the Thunder Bay 324 00:15:17,783 --> 00:15:20,653     Police Service is on the            brink of collapse. 325 00:15:20,686 --> 00:15:22,421         That's a pretty                shocking assertion. 326 00:15:22,455 --> 00:15:24,056               Mhm. 327 00:15:24,090 --> 00:15:27,994            [Sighing] 328 00:15:28,027 --> 00:15:30,062     There's a lot at stake. 329 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,264       A lot at stake here. 330 00:15:32,298 --> 00:15:35,468        And it's not just,                 you know, me. 331 00:15:35,501 --> 00:15:38,237      It's not even just the        officers and the members of- 332 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:41,440    it's the entire community. 333 00:15:41,474 --> 00:15:44,810       The safety of this               community is hinged 334 00:15:44,844 --> 00:15:47,480         on what happens                   through here. 335 00:15:47,513 --> 00:15:50,449         There was some                   hope back in... 336 00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:54,086     2018, when Broken Trust              was released... 337 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,122         for some answers                   and closure. 338 00:15:56,155 --> 00:15:58,924     But families, you know,        continue to be disappointed 339 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:02,028         with the process               and with the system. 340 00:16:02,061 --> 00:16:04,664        There are people              counting on you, right? 341 00:16:04,697 --> 00:16:08,167             [Crying] 342 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,503       This isn't about me. 343 00:16:10,536 --> 00:16:13,039        These are people,                  and we are... 344 00:16:13,072 --> 00:16:15,975   treating them like garbage. 345 00:16:16,008 --> 00:16:18,377          And, and their                  families suffer. 346 00:16:18,411 --> 00:16:22,214                ♪ 347 00:16:22,248 --> 00:16:26,318        We deserve better                in this community. 348 00:16:26,352 --> 00:16:29,288       Her press conference             is three days away. 349 00:16:29,321 --> 00:16:32,224                ♪ 350 00:16:32,258 --> 00:16:34,326     If I were anywhere near            the second floor of 351 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,028         the Thunder Bay                  Police Service, 352 00:16:36,062 --> 00:16:40,032          I wouldn't be                    able to sleep. 353 00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:42,902   This press conference could        be the final card that 354 00:16:42,935 --> 00:16:45,204         makes the house                  of cards fall. 355 00:16:45,237 --> 00:16:47,206           This is it. 356 00:16:47,239 --> 00:16:51,177                ♪ 357 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,582            [Buzzing] 358 00:16:56,615 --> 00:16:59,485      To be fair, Chief Hauth               didn't create 359 00:16:59,518 --> 00:17:01,654        this racist system. 360 00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:04,557    Hives like the Thunder Bay       Police Service have existed 361 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:07,927      everywhere for as long           as anyone can remember. 362 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,831    Her job, like all the queen      bees that came before her, 363 00:17:11,864 --> 00:17:14,500   is to simply keep it going... 364 00:17:14,533 --> 00:17:17,336         to preserve and                protect that system. 365 00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:26,846                ♪ 366 00:17:26,879 --> 00:17:28,247            Hi, there. 367 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,416     Can I get a medium-sized          coffee with two milk? 368 00:17:30,449 --> 00:17:32,017        Just a small hot             chocolate's good, thanks. 369 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,053      -Small hot chocolate?                   -Yeah. 370 00:17:34,086 --> 00:17:38,124   And the next day, I find out       just how far Chief Hauth 371 00:17:38,157 --> 00:17:41,060        is willing to go to              uphold that system. 372 00:17:41,093 --> 00:17:43,729   Another cop is ready to talk. 373 00:17:43,763 --> 00:17:46,599                ♪ 374 00:17:46,632 --> 00:17:49,034      Between the Chief and           the management up there, 375 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:51,403        there's something                sinister going on. 376 00:17:51,437 --> 00:17:56,542        And, exactly what,                 I don't know. 377 00:17:56,575 --> 00:17:59,645   Are they gonna bug my phone       or are they following me? 378 00:17:59,678 --> 00:18:01,881    What are they doing behind      the scenes that I can't see? 379 00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:04,250    There's no accountability         for these people, none. 380 00:18:04,283 --> 00:18:05,918             Like... 381 00:18:05,951 --> 00:18:07,787     there should have been a          criminal investigation 382 00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:09,889     for the sergeant thing. 383 00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:12,158                ♪ 384 00:18:12,191 --> 00:18:13,092             [Sirens] 385 00:18:13,125 --> 00:18:15,995           When he says,                "the sergeant thing," 386 00:18:16,028 --> 00:18:17,997        Kerry is referring               to an incident that 387 00:18:18,030 --> 00:18:20,566      took place here nearly               two years ago. 388 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:22,301     I was working overtime, 389 00:18:22,334 --> 00:18:25,437     and there was a call in,             like, stolen TV. 390 00:18:25,471 --> 00:18:27,840        We got information               about this house. 391 00:18:27,873 --> 00:18:29,308          Might be some                  gangbangers there, 392 00:18:29,341 --> 00:18:33,345          might be some                   drugs and guns. 393 00:18:33,379 --> 00:18:35,347       We get to the house. 394 00:18:35,381 --> 00:18:37,449      The Sergeant shows up,            and all of a sudden, 395 00:18:37,483 --> 00:18:40,486    I hear, "We're coming in."              I'm like... 396 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:43,422            "Pardon?                    We need a warrant." 397 00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:47,293     One of the other officers       on the call is Kelly Walsh. 398 00:18:47,326 --> 00:18:49,195          I look at him,                    I'm like... 399 00:18:49,228 --> 00:18:50,963        I'm in disbelief. 400 00:18:50,996 --> 00:18:52,798       And all of a sudden,               we're going in. 401 00:18:52,832 --> 00:18:54,800          Now, he's the                  ranking sergeant. 402 00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:58,137            [Sighing] 403 00:18:58,170 --> 00:19:00,172         We go in there,                it's fuckin' chaos. 404 00:19:00,206 --> 00:19:02,441    There's a toilet flushing. 405 00:19:02,474 --> 00:19:05,711   The sergeant orders Dunning         to kick the door in. 406 00:19:05,744 --> 00:19:08,647     And, he moves the couch,            finds some drugs. 407 00:19:08,681 --> 00:19:11,150     So, now, we have drugs,          we've kicked a door in, 408 00:19:11,183 --> 00:19:13,953     I'm fighting with a guy.            It's, it's chaos. 409 00:19:13,986 --> 00:19:15,221          But, I mean... 410 00:19:15,254 --> 00:19:16,822       wow, man, if there              was a shooting, like, 411 00:19:16,856 --> 00:19:18,490       who knows where this             could have gone, so- 412 00:19:18,524 --> 00:19:20,793       You knew you weren't           supposed to be in there? 413 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:23,128          100%. It's a                   criminal offence! 414 00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:26,131          We unlawfully                entered an apartment. 415 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:29,401   So, that night, me and Kelly      had a brief conversation. 416 00:19:29,435 --> 00:19:32,571     I'm like, "Is it me or,            is this fucked up?" 417 00:19:32,605 --> 00:19:34,139         He's like, "No,                   this is bad." 418 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,408   "Okay, so it's not just me?"            "Nope, nope." 419 00:19:36,442 --> 00:19:38,644                ♪ 420 00:19:38,677 --> 00:19:42,414      The next day, my boss            came and, he told us, 421 00:19:42,448 --> 00:19:45,084     "If you guys are caught           talking about this or 422 00:19:45,117 --> 00:19:47,987     spreading rumours, you          guys are gonna be PSA'd." 423 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:50,556       "PSA" means Police               Service Act charge? 424 00:19:50,589 --> 00:19:53,425   Yeah, so to me right there,      that gave me the impression 425 00:19:53,459 --> 00:19:57,196     that, if you speak up,           you're on the hit list. 426 00:19:57,229 --> 00:19:59,198    And that crooked sergeant? 427 00:19:59,231 --> 00:20:01,400              Fuck,                       nothing happens. 428 00:20:01,433 --> 00:20:04,336    He's cleared, he's cleared          within three weeks. 429 00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:06,572      You've got potentially             a criminal cop... 430 00:20:06,605 --> 00:20:07,873         driving around. 431 00:20:07,907 --> 00:20:10,075        You've got people               covering up for it. 432 00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:13,345       They all need to go. 433 00:20:13,379 --> 00:20:15,781       Our series is about               Indigenous people 434 00:20:15,814 --> 00:20:17,449       that have died here.                    -Yeah. 435 00:20:17,483 --> 00:20:20,786   So the question of whether       people are doing their jobs 436 00:20:20,819 --> 00:20:24,790   properly is a live question,       but it can't be fixed if 437 00:20:24,823 --> 00:20:27,192  there's a civil war happening      inside of that building. 438 00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:29,261            Oh, yeah. 439 00:20:31,096 --> 00:20:33,198   [Jon] On one side, you have,              you know, 440 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:36,735     hundreds of Indigenous         families who don't know the 441 00:20:36,769 --> 00:20:39,605      circumstances of their            loved ones' deaths, 442 00:20:39,638 --> 00:20:41,473      and on the other hand,              you have, like, 443 00:20:41,507 --> 00:20:45,644     the people who may have        killed them still out there. 444 00:20:45,678 --> 00:20:48,047      To me, it's dangerous,                really, and, 445 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,383          and scary to                   think about that. 446 00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:54,820    And yet, from the outside,        to the casual observer, 447 00:20:54,853 --> 00:20:56,622        all looks right as                  rain at the 448 00:20:56,655 --> 00:21:00,426        Thunder Bay Police                 headquarters. 449 00:21:00,459 --> 00:21:02,227   [News] Members of the Police        Service have spent the 450 00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:05,064    last four days taking part         in what's being called 451 00:21:05,097 --> 00:21:06,999     Reconciliation Training. 452 00:21:07,032 --> 00:21:09,401      The mandatory training          was created specifically 453 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:11,103   for the Thunder Bay Police. 454 00:21:11,136 --> 00:21:13,639   The work that we're doing in     this training is meaningful, 455 00:21:13,672 --> 00:21:16,909      in that it's actually         hitting home and resonating. 456 00:21:16,942 --> 00:21:18,444            Meaningful? 457 00:21:18,477 --> 00:21:21,580       This was Indigenous          cultural awareness training. 458 00:21:21,613 --> 00:21:25,250    Respectfully, papier-mâché        masks and Powwow dancing 459 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:28,520    demonstrations are not what        the Broken Trust Report 460 00:21:28,554 --> 00:21:30,289        ordered to happen. 461 00:21:30,322 --> 00:21:34,026   It would be fair for you to         believe that because 462 00:21:34,059 --> 00:21:37,162      they are going through          reconciliation training, 463 00:21:37,196 --> 00:21:38,964         because they're                  raising flags, 464 00:21:38,998 --> 00:21:40,632       and because they're              making videos with 465 00:21:40,666 --> 00:21:43,635   the First Nations community,        that they are trying, 466 00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:45,437       that they are doing                  something, 467 00:21:45,471 --> 00:21:47,673      that that is propelled           by some sort of, like, 468 00:21:47,706 --> 00:21:51,210   ideology that fits together. 469 00:21:51,243 --> 00:21:54,213    [Willow] When in reality,        none of that is happening. 470 00:21:54,246 --> 00:21:56,682     The problem is that the          recommendations from the 471 00:21:56,715 --> 00:22:00,052   inquest and Broken Trust are     not enforceable by anybody. 472 00:22:00,085 --> 00:22:03,122      Nobody has to do them,              and nobody's... 473 00:22:03,155 --> 00:22:06,325     checking on that either. 474 00:22:06,358 --> 00:22:09,395      Nobody except Georjann,          who's ready to blow the 475 00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:13,732    roof off with her big press         conference tomorrow. 476 00:22:13,766 --> 00:22:15,501        This is the intro? 477 00:22:15,534 --> 00:22:18,037     Yeah, but I feel like I        might have to add something. 478 00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:20,906   All the efforts in this city      to set things on the right 479 00:22:20,939 --> 00:22:24,176    track regarding Indigenous         death investigations, 480 00:22:24,209 --> 00:22:28,914   we're in a worse place than        we were at the inquest. 481 00:22:28,947 --> 00:22:31,150    I'm writing today to make        my first public statement 482 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:32,217    against the members of the 483 00:22:32,251 --> 00:22:33,752        Thunder Bay Police                 Service Board, 484 00:22:33,786 --> 00:22:35,988      the Chief of Police... 485 00:22:36,021 --> 00:22:37,756        at the Thunder Bay                Police Service, 486 00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:39,691        as well as senior                   management. 487 00:22:39,725 --> 00:22:41,260      The evidence is there,                   right, 488 00:22:41,293 --> 00:22:43,028       and that's what's so        frustrating about all of this. 489 00:22:43,062 --> 00:22:45,697        You have evidence              right in front of you. 490 00:22:45,731 --> 00:22:48,734            And yet,                    nothing's changing. 491 00:22:48,767 --> 00:22:51,737        Nothing's getting                 done about it. 492 00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:55,808       This place is in the             midst of a civil war. 493 00:22:59,278 --> 00:23:02,081      You're seeing a lot of            people jumping ship. 494 00:23:02,114 --> 00:23:05,417     The wheels are about to          come off of this thing. 495 00:23:05,451 --> 00:23:06,919         But no one could                  have predicted 496 00:23:06,952 --> 00:23:09,221      what would happen next. 497 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:18,430                ♪ 498 00:23:18,464 --> 00:23:20,399          [Ryan] Hello.                   [Georjann] Hey. 499 00:23:20,432 --> 00:23:22,734       [Ryan] Hi, Georjann.                 How are you? 500 00:23:22,768 --> 00:23:24,403        [Georjann] I just                didn't sleep yet, 501 00:23:24,436 --> 00:23:26,271       so I'm just kinda... 502 00:23:26,305 --> 00:23:28,740         getting my shit                  together here. 503 00:23:28,774 --> 00:23:29,608           [Ryan] Yeah. 504 00:23:29,641 --> 00:23:33,445       [Georjann] I do not               want today to be 505 00:23:33,479 --> 00:23:36,448       an easy deflection,                 with racism. 506 00:23:36,482 --> 00:23:40,252         'Cause that can                happen really quick. 507 00:23:40,285 --> 00:23:42,788   You do what you have to do      and, we'll talk to you after. 508 00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:44,756         [Georjann] Bye.               [Ryan] All right, bye. 509 00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:47,759                ♪ 510 00:23:47,793 --> 00:23:51,230  I think this press conference      is the last best shot to 511 00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:55,100   getting the truth out about      what is wrong inside of the 512 00:23:55,134 --> 00:23:57,069   Thunder Bay Police Service. 513 00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:59,605                ♪ 514 00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:02,307   [Ryan] How are you feeling?           [Car alarm beeps] 515 00:24:02,341 --> 00:24:03,909          Just breathe. 516 00:24:03,942 --> 00:24:05,410       You have everyone's                  attention. 517 00:24:05,444 --> 00:24:06,912      Just speak your truth. 518 00:24:06,945 --> 00:24:08,647  [Georjann] Thank you so much.            [Ryan] Yeah. 519 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,949         [Georjann] Okay.                   [Ryan] Okay. 520 00:24:10,983 --> 00:24:14,453    Covid doesn't allow us to      gather inside right now, so... 521 00:24:14,486 --> 00:24:15,921      we're gonna sit in the              parking lot and 522 00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:20,492         watch the Zoom. 523 00:24:20,526 --> 00:24:22,161     [Chantelle] In our view,             it appears that 524 00:24:22,194 --> 00:24:24,696       since December 2020,                the board was 525 00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:27,799     conspiring behind member             Morriseau's back 526 00:24:27,833 --> 00:24:30,836          to remove her                  from those duties. 527 00:24:30,869 --> 00:24:32,371          This is good. 528 00:24:32,404 --> 00:24:34,673     [Chantelle] It addresses        all the matters discussed, 529 00:24:34,706 --> 00:24:36,642     as well as derogatory... 530 00:24:36,675 --> 00:24:39,378       [Jon] There are lots               of people there. 531 00:24:39,411 --> 00:24:41,713   Georjann Morriseau is here. 532 00:24:41,747 --> 00:24:43,649    Chantelle Bryson is there. 533 00:24:43,682 --> 00:24:45,817        Further, the board                   assorted- 534 00:24:45,851 --> 00:24:47,653          asserted that                 member Morriseau... 535 00:24:47,686 --> 00:24:50,455      I was informing what            the allegations and the 536 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,057         complaints were,                so the public knew 537 00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:54,026    what was actually alleged. 538 00:24:54,059 --> 00:24:57,062  ...receipt of the OPP summary      report provided by the... 539 00:24:57,095 --> 00:24:59,698   [Jon] There's going to be a       point at the end of this 540 00:24:59,731 --> 00:25:03,402   where Georjann Morriseau is      going to give a statement, 541 00:25:03,435 --> 00:25:05,804     but we never got there. 542 00:25:05,837 --> 00:25:08,073    You know, if we kind of go         back a little bit and 543 00:25:08,106 --> 00:25:09,675         we see over the                 last few years... 544 00:25:09,708 --> 00:25:16,648            [Feedback                  & indistinct speaking] 545 00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:21,853               Yes. 546 00:25:21,887 --> 00:25:26,325      [Jon] All of a sudden,              loud screaming. 547 00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:28,694        So loud you can't                tell what it is. 548 00:25:28,727 --> 00:25:34,399           [Screaming] 549 00:25:34,433 --> 00:25:36,101   They have to end the stream. 550 00:25:36,134 --> 00:25:39,838           [Screaming] 551 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:43,542    A lot of, like, hybridized            sexual violence. 552 00:25:43,575 --> 00:25:48,280             [Stream]                    Oh, God. [Moaning] 553 00:25:48,313 --> 00:25:52,117    And so we had to shut the         press conference down. 554 00:25:52,150 --> 00:25:54,853            [Stream]                   [Feedback & laughing] 555 00:25:58,056 --> 00:26:00,125              Um... 556 00:26:00,158 --> 00:26:03,895     Well, that's one way to          end a press conference. 557 00:26:03,929 --> 00:26:07,099   Somebody really wanted this      press conference to be over. 558 00:26:07,132 --> 00:26:09,935    It's, uh, it's disgusting. 559 00:26:09,968 --> 00:26:11,436        [Ryan] The timing                of the porn bomb- 560 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:12,471              Right. 561 00:26:12,504 --> 00:26:14,206   -just so happened to be when          Georjann Morriseau 562 00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:15,207        opened her mouth. 563 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,277         As soon as she                  opened her mouth. 564 00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:20,545        What the hell just               happened in there? 565 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:23,382              -Oh!                      -Someone hacked it? 566 00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,217      I don't know how many           Zoom calls I've been on. 567 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:27,152    I've been on many, as I'm         sure many others have, 568 00:26:27,185 --> 00:26:28,654     and it's the first time            this has happened. 569 00:26:28,687 --> 00:26:32,557 Sometimes, things hurt so bad,          you have to laugh. 570 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,993      [Laughing] This seems           like par for the course. 571 00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:37,329    It really does, and that's            the worst part. 572 00:26:37,362 --> 00:26:39,998     -It's like, you know...         -Fucking Thunder Bay, man. 573 00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:42,334       Not even good porn,                    either. 574 00:26:42,367 --> 00:26:43,935            [Laughing] 575 00:26:43,969 --> 00:26:46,672     [Ryan] Joking aside, the         violence of the porn is- 576 00:26:46,705 --> 00:26:48,173   -It was very violent, yeah.                -Yeah. 577 00:26:48,206 --> 00:26:52,010     I was most shocked that,               once again, 578 00:26:52,044 --> 00:26:56,481      neither the board nor            the city did anything. 579 00:26:56,515 --> 00:26:59,751         No one sought an               investigation about, 580 00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:04,289       how did this happen?                Who did this? 581 00:27:04,323 --> 00:27:07,259   Georjann Morriseau does not,           in that meeting, 582 00:27:07,292 --> 00:27:08,994    get to give her statement. 583 00:27:09,027 --> 00:27:13,432       She does not get to          respond to media questions. 584 00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:17,836     And, the entire thing is       left unclear for the public. 585 00:27:17,869 --> 00:27:20,138  This will not silence me, and     that's not to be reckless. 586 00:27:20,172 --> 00:27:21,473   It will not prevent me from 587 00:27:21,506 --> 00:27:24,042        upholding my duty                 to the public. 588 00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:26,511    [Ryan] What does silencing       Georjann Morriseau during 589 00:27:26,545 --> 00:27:28,847     her own press conference             via a porn bomb 590 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,249    say to Georjann Morriseau? 591 00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:35,487     You're not wanted here. 592 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,223                ♪ 593 00:27:38,256 --> 00:27:41,393        That's how systemic                 racism works. 594 00:27:41,426 --> 00:27:43,228       You go along with it. 595 00:27:43,261 --> 00:27:45,664     You keep your mouth shut. 596 00:27:45,697 --> 00:27:47,666       You'll do just fine. 597 00:27:47,699 --> 00:27:49,868      You can see it in the           media spin they put out. 598 00:27:49,901 --> 00:27:53,238     Press releases saying,        "In face of all of this stuff 599 00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:57,142   going on, the board's doing        great, except for her. 600 00:27:57,175 --> 00:27:59,978       The board is united,               except for her." 601 00:28:00,011 --> 00:28:04,015                ♪ 602 00:28:04,049 --> 00:28:05,817         A few days after                 her conference, 603 00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:08,587   all Georjann can think about      is how far Chief Hauth and 604 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:13,658        the board will go                to keep her quiet. 605 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:16,728     It's very scary to think          and wonder, you know, 606 00:28:16,762 --> 00:28:19,765       about who's tied to              who and, you know, 607 00:28:19,798 --> 00:28:21,900   and just wondering what my      future is gonna be like here. 608 00:28:21,933 --> 00:28:24,669       Just, "Am I gonna be          alive to see another day?" 609 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:27,906      I mean, that's to the            extent that I worry. 610 00:28:27,939 --> 00:28:29,508         It's very real. 611 00:28:29,541 --> 00:28:32,077          If Georjann's                  life is in danger, 612 00:28:32,110 --> 00:28:33,945      someone should step in. 613 00:28:33,979 --> 00:28:37,048             I mean,                   this is Canada, right? 614 00:28:37,082 --> 00:28:39,718           Somebody out                  there has to care. 615 00:28:39,751 --> 00:28:43,121        Hi, good morning.            Mayor Bill Mauro, please. 616 00:28:43,155 --> 00:28:46,691      Hi, Solicitor General            Sylvia Jones, please. 617 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:50,595     I'm trying to get a hold          of Dr. Huyer, please. 618 00:28:50,629 --> 00:28:53,064          Uh, that's... 619 00:28:53,098 --> 00:28:56,234       I've left an email,             I've left a voicemail. 620 00:28:56,268 --> 00:28:58,303             No, I... 621 00:28:58,336 --> 00:28:59,971      I'm not going to leave            anymore voicemails. 622 00:29:00,005 --> 00:29:00,972         I'll call back. 623 00:29:01,006 --> 00:29:06,211     Hi, I am hoping to talk           to Premier Doug Ford. 624 00:29:06,244 --> 00:29:10,382    This is in regards to the       Thunder Bay Police Service. 625 00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,951              Okay. 626 00:29:12,984 --> 00:29:15,153         Best you can do.                    Thank you. 627 00:29:15,187 --> 00:29:16,755          We're making a                 show about a city, 628 00:29:16,788 --> 00:29:18,723        about what's going                on in the city, 629 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:22,060   but the people at the city,        themselves, won't talk. 630 00:29:22,093 --> 00:29:24,830    And that's a big problem. 631 00:29:24,863 --> 00:29:27,332    That's just a big problem. 632 00:29:27,365 --> 00:29:29,835                ♪ 633 00:29:29,868 --> 00:29:32,737        But Georjann isn't             completely on her own. 634 00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:34,806     There's someone else that       desperately wants to change 635 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,643   Chief Hauth's broken system. 636 00:29:38,677 --> 00:29:40,812    The most unlikely of ally. 637 00:29:40,846 --> 00:29:44,282        And, it's not just                one or two cops. 638 00:29:44,316 --> 00:29:45,383            [Gunshot] 639 00:29:45,417 --> 00:29:49,087       This time, it's the           entire Police Association. 640 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,022            [Gunshots] 641 00:29:51,056 --> 00:29:55,760   I've received this constant     flurry of calls from officers 642 00:29:55,794 --> 00:30:00,365    telling basically the same      story of abuse of authority, 643 00:30:00,398 --> 00:30:03,435         of cover-up of                  criminal conduct. 644 00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:08,139     We have the association         who's saying 70% of their 645 00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:11,042         351 members are                 deeply unhappy and 646 00:30:11,076 --> 00:30:13,678   have no trust in leadership. 647 00:30:13,712 --> 00:30:16,515   That quickly evolved into a         multitude of officers 648 00:30:16,548 --> 00:30:18,316          wanting to do                 something about it- 649 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:21,453         file complaints,             human rights complaints. 650 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:26,825         There are now 22             human rights complaints. 651 00:30:26,858 --> 00:30:29,327   You start teasing it apart,      that paints a picture of a 652 00:30:29,361 --> 00:30:32,364    police force that really       needs to figure out its shit. 653 00:30:32,397 --> 00:30:34,633          Yeah. I think                   the management, 654 00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:37,669    you need to wipe everybody           out from up there. 655 00:30:37,702 --> 00:30:39,638    I want to be careful here          because there's been 656 00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:42,841     so much scrutiny on the          service and, you know, 657 00:30:42,874 --> 00:30:45,143       how they've policed              Indigenous people. 658 00:30:45,176 --> 00:30:49,014  But to have officers not even    have faith in itself anymore, 659 00:30:49,047 --> 00:30:52,183       and obvious failings             of leadership there, 660 00:30:52,217 --> 00:30:56,488         is really quite            outstanding and remarkable. 661 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:59,691      To this point, it has               been impossible 662 00:30:59,724 --> 00:31:04,596   to penetrate that building. 663 00:31:04,629 --> 00:31:10,869      And all of a sudden,           the walls just came down. 664 00:31:10,902 --> 00:31:13,071  And, it was one of the moments          in this journey 665 00:31:13,104 --> 00:31:15,607       where we felt like,              "This is the moment. 666 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,075           Here we go. 667 00:31:17,108 --> 00:31:22,514       The board won't be              able to ignore this." 668 00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:26,451     But, surprise, surprise,         they most certainly did. 669 00:31:26,484 --> 00:31:29,354   For Chief Hauth, it was just          more of the same- 670 00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:31,990         business as usual                 in Thunder Bay. 671 00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:34,192   [Reporter] Should Indigenous          people in the city 672 00:31:34,225 --> 00:31:36,428   trust the Thunder Bay Police        Service to serve them? 673 00:31:36,461 --> 00:31:39,064  [Chief Hauth] I will cooperate      100% fully with all the 674 00:31:39,097 --> 00:31:41,733     investigations that are            currently underway. 675 00:31:41,766 --> 00:31:45,437         You need to let              due process take place. 676 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:47,072            [Buzzing] 677 00:31:47,105 --> 00:31:50,141    For years, we'd been trying       to seek truth and justice 678 00:31:50,175 --> 00:31:53,211      for the nine Indigenous        victims and their families. 679 00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:58,116 And now, we were being told to      leave it to "due process". 680 00:31:58,149 --> 00:32:00,619         This was our all                 is lost moment. 681 00:32:00,652 --> 00:32:02,754       We'd hit rock bottom. 682 00:32:02,787 --> 00:32:05,090                ♪ 683 00:32:05,123 --> 00:32:06,291           What are we                    supposed to do? 684 00:32:06,324 --> 00:32:07,792    We're told to be patient. 685 00:32:07,826 --> 00:32:09,761      That change is coming,               slow to come. 686 00:32:09,794 --> 00:32:11,563      What is the reasonable            timeframe for change 687 00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:12,931         in Thunder Bay? 688 00:32:12,964 --> 00:32:15,000     I will say that I didn't              come in naive 689 00:32:15,033 --> 00:32:18,436  to the extent that I thought,           you know, I was 690 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:20,405    gonna come in and we were         gonna change the world, 691 00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:22,907  and we were gonna do all this    stuff, but I brought my heart. 692 00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:24,509             -Right.                   -And my soul to this. 693 00:32:24,542 --> 00:32:27,345       Like, I really did. 694 00:32:27,379 --> 00:32:29,347    People talk about this... 695 00:32:29,381 --> 00:32:33,118     bubble that the leaders          of Thunder Bay live in, 696 00:32:33,151 --> 00:32:34,586      and I think that's it. 697 00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:37,522       And, unfortunately,             who's gonna stop them? 698 00:32:37,555 --> 00:32:40,959        The day's coming.            Something's gonna happen. 699 00:32:40,992 --> 00:32:42,661      Like, it's inevitable                in this town. 700 00:32:42,694 --> 00:32:45,163       We haven't had the               ultimate shit show. 701 00:32:45,196 --> 00:32:47,265           Yeah, yeah. 702 00:32:47,298 --> 00:32:49,834         And he was right,               because here's what 703 00:32:49,868 --> 00:32:51,870        I've learned about                  Thunder Bay- 704 00:32:51,903 --> 00:32:54,472       when you think you've              hit rock bottom, 705 00:32:54,506 --> 00:32:56,474          there's always                   another bottom. 706 00:32:56,508 --> 00:32:58,843        [Ryan] I think you               have to see this. 707 00:32:58,877 --> 00:33:01,012  [Off-screen] What's going on?                What? 708 00:33:01,046 --> 00:33:05,383        [Ryan] Holy shit.                     They... 709 00:33:05,417 --> 00:33:08,486         This is- let me                 just double check. 710 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,823     Yeah, this is the leak.            It's from a source. 711 00:33:11,856 --> 00:33:14,793    [Off-screen] You can't...?        [Ryan] I can't say who. 712 00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:17,162          Confidential.                  Not to be shared. 713 00:33:17,195 --> 00:33:20,498                ♪ 714 00:33:20,532 --> 00:33:23,401            Holy shit. 715 00:33:23,435 --> 00:33:24,636           [Off-screen]                   Who you calling? 716 00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:26,871        Jon, Jon Thompson. 717 00:33:26,905 --> 00:33:30,341         [Phone ringing] 718 00:33:30,375 --> 00:33:33,845      [Jon] How's it going?           [Ryan] Uh, can we meet? 719 00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:36,681      [Jon] Yeah, sure, man. 720 00:33:36,715 --> 00:33:40,351       A bombshell document-         an internal reinvestigation 721 00:33:40,385 --> 00:33:44,022      report covertly leaked           online to journalists. 722 00:33:44,055 --> 00:33:47,092      And, it's the mother of           all police cover-ups, 723 00:33:47,125 --> 00:33:50,695   so much so that it's almost      impossible to fully take in. 724 00:33:50,729 --> 00:33:52,263          Look at this. 725 00:33:52,297 --> 00:33:55,934                ♪ 726 00:33:55,967 --> 00:33:58,703     Okay, so these are all           sudden-death cases that 727 00:33:58,737 --> 00:34:01,606  warrant further investigation. 728 00:34:01,639 --> 00:34:06,010             1,771...                          Jesus. 729 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,012       Those are Indigenous                sudden deaths. 730 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,515        -So almost 2,000-                     -Yeah. 731 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:13,685      Between 2010 and 2017. 732 00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:16,121                ♪ 733 00:34:16,154 --> 00:34:18,189            Holy shit. 734 00:34:18,223 --> 00:34:22,393    That's about 1.5% of the         entire city's population, 735 00:34:22,427 --> 00:34:26,231    were Indigenous and died       suddenly between those years. 736 00:34:26,264 --> 00:34:27,432          Jesus Christ. 737 00:34:27,465 --> 00:34:32,103   That's like the- that's the      volume we're talking about. 738 00:34:32,137 --> 00:34:35,073   [Willow] The number, to me,             was shocking. 739 00:34:35,106 --> 00:34:37,642       We already knew from         Broken Trust that, you know, 740 00:34:37,675 --> 00:34:39,778         the police were                 doing a really... 741 00:34:39,811 --> 00:34:43,748   shitty job at investigating          Indigenous deaths. 742 00:34:43,782 --> 00:34:45,917     I don't know if we were            really prepared to 743 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:49,821       know how widespread               that actually is. 744 00:34:49,854 --> 00:34:53,491   There was no report linking         the comparison of the 745 00:34:53,525 --> 00:34:55,560         Stacy DeBungee                  case with others? 746 00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,463           Yeah, yeah. 747 00:34:58,496 --> 00:35:01,332      I know, read the third            paragraph, page 24. 748 00:35:01,366 --> 00:35:04,269      "No evidence searches,        no canvass, no video seized, 749 00:35:04,302 --> 00:35:06,004          there was no                 reported consultation 750 00:35:06,037 --> 00:35:08,740   with criminal investigations          branch supervisor 751 00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:10,475          in relation to                releasing the scene. 752 00:35:10,508 --> 00:35:13,011      No timeline, no major              case management." 753 00:35:13,044 --> 00:35:16,314     Yeah. So the problem is,           there's no evidence. 754 00:35:16,347 --> 00:35:18,316       There's no evidence. 755 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:23,488   It is a complete devaluation     of Indigenous life, period. 756 00:35:23,521 --> 00:35:27,458      Nothing says more that          your life doesn't matter 757 00:35:27,492 --> 00:35:31,129       when you're clearly             potentially murdered, 758 00:35:31,162 --> 00:35:34,933     and everybody just goes            off to Tim Hortons. 759 00:35:34,966 --> 00:35:37,635         "Lack of coroner                   involvement. 760 00:35:37,669 --> 00:35:41,339  The coroner was requested, but     did not attend the scene." 761 00:35:41,372 --> 00:35:42,674          This is what                   I've always said. 762 00:35:42,707 --> 00:35:45,176        For some reason,             the coroner's office have 763 00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:47,979     always managed to not be            held accountable. 764 00:35:48,012 --> 00:35:51,049      They've never really             had to speak to this. 765 00:35:51,082 --> 00:35:54,619   The leaks were necessary to         really kinda hit home 766 00:35:54,652 --> 00:35:57,789          what's really                   happening here. 767 00:35:57,822 --> 00:36:00,892            -Oh, fuck.                         -What? 768 00:36:00,925 --> 00:36:03,228           -Oh, fuck.                     -Where are you? 769 00:36:03,261 --> 00:36:05,196            Page 17... 770 00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:11,970         A fucking baby. 771 00:36:12,003 --> 00:36:15,540   There was a 2-month-old baby     with cocaine in its system, 772 00:36:15,573 --> 00:36:19,878    and there was a documented        history of child abuse. 773 00:36:19,911 --> 00:36:22,347          "No foul play. 774 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:25,650     No interviews conducted,               no canvass. 775 00:36:25,683 --> 00:36:29,053         No major case,               no forensic interviews. 776 00:36:29,087 --> 00:36:31,389        No interrogation,                 no polygraph." 777 00:36:31,422 --> 00:36:35,193                ♪ 778 00:36:35,226 --> 00:36:37,228            [Sighing] 779 00:36:37,262 --> 00:36:43,234                ♪ 780 00:36:43,268 --> 00:36:47,272            [Sighing] 781 00:36:47,305 --> 00:36:50,108          Oh, I'm gonna                  fucking throw up. 782 00:36:50,141 --> 00:36:53,211                ♪ 783 00:36:53,244 --> 00:36:56,681    I've been told there were          active efforts by the 784 00:36:56,714 --> 00:36:58,383      Chief Coroner and the               Chief of Police 785 00:36:58,416 --> 00:37:01,719     to not give that report               to the board. 786 00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:06,391    And that is something that       someone should look into. 787 00:37:06,424 --> 00:37:09,394          ♪ [Suspenseful                 music continues] ♪ 788 00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:30,581         [Door rattling] 789 00:37:30,615 --> 00:37:31,816                ♪ 790 00:37:31,849 --> 00:37:35,253  Hi there, looking to talk with    Chief Sylvie Hauth, please, 791 00:37:35,286 --> 00:37:37,755    and anyone else interested       in clearing up what's been 792 00:37:37,789 --> 00:37:39,324     happening on the second          floor of this building 793 00:37:39,357 --> 00:37:41,092      for a long, long time. 794 00:37:41,125 --> 00:37:42,994         [Officer] Okay,                 give me a moment. 795 00:37:43,027 --> 00:37:45,463                ♪ 796 00:37:45,496 --> 00:37:47,231       This is the problem. 797 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:49,901       We're not, we're not           allowed to scrutinize... 798 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:54,305     or ask questions about           what these things mean. 799 00:37:54,339 --> 00:37:56,941       And this is what has             to end in this city. 800 00:37:56,975 --> 00:37:59,811    People should have access         to the Chief of Police. 801 00:37:59,844 --> 00:38:03,314                ♪ 802 00:38:03,348 --> 00:38:05,917     Hi, there. I'll be with           you in just a moment. 803 00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:08,820   We're just gonna let these       folks come on through here. 804 00:38:08,853 --> 00:38:11,389          ♪ [Suspenseful                 music continues] ♪ 805 00:38:23,034 --> 00:38:24,202           All right,                    so unfortunately, 806 00:38:24,235 --> 00:38:25,203      because you don't have              an appointment, 807 00:38:25,236 --> 00:38:26,838      they won't be able to           do your interview today. 808 00:38:26,871 --> 00:38:28,873        I apologize about                the inconvenience. 809 00:38:28,906 --> 00:38:32,176                ♪ 810 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:33,111        When you fuck up, 811 00:38:33,144 --> 00:38:35,480    you don't get to lock your            doors and hide. 812 00:38:35,513 --> 00:38:38,383        ♪ [Suspenseful] ♪ 813 00:38:38,416 --> 00:38:40,985   I know they can see through      these fucking windows too. 814 00:38:41,019 --> 00:38:45,490  I was told they were watching     us last time we left here. 815 00:38:45,523 --> 00:38:48,326   It's fucking pissing me off. 816 00:38:48,359 --> 00:38:51,662    We're talking decades here      in Thunder Bay of racism and 817 00:38:51,696 --> 00:38:55,566   violence between Indigenous        people and the police. 818 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,369      They need to go, and           they need to be replaced. 819 00:38:58,403 --> 00:39:03,307     I mean, how many chances          do you give somebody? 820 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,476      At the end of the day,           someone has to answer 821 00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:08,813        for these problems,              for this bad work. 822 00:39:08,846 --> 00:39:11,582    The Chief Coroner's office          is equally to blame. 823 00:39:11,616 --> 00:39:15,186        They were named in             the leaked report too. 824 00:39:15,219 --> 00:39:17,021      They're the ones that               ultimately are 825 00:39:17,055 --> 00:39:20,058    supposed to determine how          someone has died and, 826 00:39:20,091 --> 00:39:22,860      make sure that there's           some dignity in that, 827 00:39:22,894 --> 00:39:25,363   when there hasn't been for,              for so long 828 00:39:25,396 --> 00:39:27,932         when it comes to                Indigenous deaths. 829 00:39:27,965 --> 00:39:29,934           That's what                  systemic racism is. 830 00:39:29,967 --> 00:39:32,870       It's that happening              over and over again, 831 00:39:32,904 --> 00:39:35,740   on a level that doesn't have         sufficient oversight 832 00:39:35,773 --> 00:39:38,509      to be able to spot it                and quash it. 833 00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:40,344                ♪ 834 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,413      But in the never-ending             line of bullshit, 835 00:39:42,447 --> 00:39:45,349          sometimes you                    catch a break. 836 00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:48,352       I keep trying to get             a hold of Dr. Huyer. 837 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,288                ♪ 838 00:39:50,321 --> 00:39:52,390    One of the dozens of calls            I made last week 839 00:39:52,423 --> 00:39:54,592       has finally paid off. 840 00:39:54,625 --> 00:39:56,027              -Hi.                        -Hi, Dr. Huyer. 841 00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:57,095         How's it going? 842 00:39:57,128 --> 00:40:00,698 Dirk Huyer, the Chief Coroner,          is ready to talk. 843 00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:02,066           And so am I. 844 00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:04,368            -I'm Ryan.                  -Ryan. I go by Dirk. 845 00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:06,637    I want assurances that the           Thunder Bay Police 846 00:40:06,671 --> 00:40:08,372         won't have their                  hands all over 847 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:12,877           these 1,771                   additional deaths. 848 00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:14,579     These additional deaths, 849 00:40:14,612 --> 00:40:16,481      who will reinvestigate               these deaths? 850 00:40:16,514 --> 00:40:19,150   I can't speak to where their        decisions are because 851 00:40:19,183 --> 00:40:21,219      I think they're still              in conversation, 852 00:40:21,252 --> 00:40:23,955   and reviewing this carefully        and thinking through. 853 00:40:23,988 --> 00:40:25,490       And you've not heard               back from them? 854 00:40:25,523 --> 00:40:27,391     No, I've heard back that          things are continuing 855 00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:30,328     in process, that I know. 856 00:40:30,361 --> 00:40:32,997   But they're ongoing in their       determination of all of 857 00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:34,999          the steps for                  all of the cases. 858 00:40:35,032 --> 00:40:37,168     In your purview as the          Chief Coroner of Ontario, 859 00:40:37,201 --> 00:40:39,103      should the Thunder Bay               Police Service 860 00:40:39,137 --> 00:40:40,938   reinvestigate those deaths? 861 00:40:40,972 --> 00:40:43,741  It's a difficult question for      me to specifically answer 862 00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:46,511    because it really depends            on the extent of 863 00:40:46,544 --> 00:40:49,013    individual cases, whether       there's criminal concerns... 864 00:40:49,046 --> 00:40:52,116    There is a cover up afoot. 865 00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:56,420       -And, it's shocking.        -Yeah, so I'm not in, I'm not- 866 00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:57,989       -I understand, but-               -Overseeing that. 867 00:40:58,022 --> 00:40:59,157     So, what I can tell you- 868 00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:03,161  But you can tell the Ministry      of the Attorney General. 869 00:41:03,194 --> 00:41:07,365   You can, you can recommend       that someone other than the 870 00:41:07,398 --> 00:41:09,967    Thunder Bay Police Service          look at these cases. 871 00:41:10,001 --> 00:41:12,303    I could, but I'm not spec- 872 00:41:12,336 --> 00:41:15,173          What we did is                  so that I'm not, 873 00:41:15,206 --> 00:41:17,141       because of conflict              that was identified, 874 00:41:17,175 --> 00:41:18,843    there may be things within            those cases that 875 00:41:18,876 --> 00:41:21,546      the coroner didn't do            as well as well. So- 876 00:41:21,579 --> 00:41:23,147       Well, we know that               that's true, right? 877 00:41:23,181 --> 00:41:24,615          Correct, and- 878 00:41:24,649 --> 00:41:28,152      So, we know that the             coroner did not go to 879 00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:31,789     certain death sites and,         and do the job properly. 880 00:41:31,822 --> 00:41:33,024            -Exactly.                      -We know that. 881 00:41:33,057 --> 00:41:34,692        Yeah, and I openly                agree with you. 882 00:41:34,725 --> 00:41:35,693            The, um... 883 00:41:35,726 --> 00:41:39,397      but what you may know,           and I think I'm gonna 884 00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:40,631          actually just                 reference my note... 885 00:41:40,665 --> 00:41:42,466            Yes, yes,                    please, go ahead. 886 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:47,138        And... it's just,                see what it said. 887 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,575   I'm sitting across from you, 888 00:41:50,608 --> 00:41:51,509        and you're sitting                across from me, 889 00:41:51,542 --> 00:41:54,412         and we know what            conversation we're having. 890 00:41:54,445 --> 00:41:56,414   And we don't have the time,       unfortunately, to, like, 891 00:41:56,447 --> 00:41:57,882   speak in this kind of code. 892 00:41:57,915 --> 00:42:02,520        In terms of that                 police service... 893 00:42:02,553 --> 00:42:06,991    how can we continue to let          them operate the way 894 00:42:07,024 --> 00:42:09,594       they are, with the              leadership they have? 895 00:42:09,627 --> 00:42:11,762         Yeah, so I'm not                 overseeing that. 896 00:42:11,796 --> 00:42:14,832         Thunder Bay has                 many complexities. 897 00:42:14,865 --> 00:42:20,338   And, if I had the solution,      we wouldn't be sitting here. 898 00:42:20,371 --> 00:42:22,873           I live in the                  real world, so... 899 00:42:22,907 --> 00:42:25,743    it's not like I was shocked        by the lack of answers. 900 00:42:25,776 --> 00:42:28,713       But, it still hurts. 901 00:42:28,746 --> 00:42:30,848      When will these people,               this corrupt, 902 00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:35,519         racist system, be             accountable to someone? 903 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:39,857     I want them to show up           to work and do the job. 904 00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:42,260         If you cannot do                 the job because 905 00:42:42,293 --> 00:42:43,761     you're racially biased, 906 00:42:43,794 --> 00:42:44,762      or you don't have the               stomach for it, 907 00:42:44,795 --> 00:42:47,431       or you don't care,            then go find another job. 908 00:42:47,465 --> 00:42:50,701       That is how the rest            of the world operates. 909 00:42:50,735 --> 00:42:52,903       That is not how the           coroner's office operates, 910 00:42:52,937 --> 00:42:53,771     and that is not how the 911 00:42:53,804 --> 00:42:56,941        Thunder Bay Police               Services operate. 912 00:42:56,974 --> 00:42:59,277   There is no accountability. 913 00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:01,479              None. 914 00:43:01,512 --> 00:43:04,315                ♪ 915 00:43:04,348 --> 00:43:05,983         Some mornings in                   Thunder Bay, 916 00:43:06,017 --> 00:43:08,286        you wake up and the              fog is so thick... 917 00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:10,888          you can barely                see across the lake. 918 00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:16,827                ♪ 919 00:43:16,861 --> 00:43:20,598   But other days, the fog lifts     and everything comes clear. 920 00:43:20,631 --> 00:43:24,302                ♪ 921 00:43:24,335 --> 00:43:27,138        On June 28th, 2022, 922 00:43:27,171 --> 00:43:29,840         four years after                   my podcast, 923 00:43:29,874 --> 00:43:33,277            I woke up,                    there was no fog, 924 00:43:33,311 --> 00:43:35,980   and I could see clear across           to Nanoboozhoo. 925 00:43:36,013 --> 00:43:39,583                ♪ 926 00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:41,085        To Thunder Bay now 927 00:43:41,118 --> 00:43:43,587        where there's some               big news breaking. 928 00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:45,423      Sylvie Hauth has been                suspended as 929 00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:47,525     Chief of the Thunder Bay             Police Service. 930 00:43:47,558 --> 00:43:50,261      Media release from the        board confirm that Hauth was 931 00:43:50,294 --> 00:43:53,698    suspended, as a result of         the serious allegations 932 00:43:53,731 --> 00:43:56,834         brought forward                   by the OCPC. 933 00:43:56,867 --> 00:44:00,271    She's facing three charges     under the Police Services Act. 934 00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:03,274                ♪ 935 00:44:03,307 --> 00:44:06,777   One of those is for illegally       investigating Georjann. 936 00:44:09,246 --> 00:44:11,115    A summary report came out      with the Chief admitting that 937 00:44:11,148 --> 00:44:14,218         she was the one                   who requested 938 00:44:14,251 --> 00:44:17,054     a criminal investigation                into me... 939 00:44:17,088 --> 00:44:18,456          for no reason! 940 00:44:18,489 --> 00:44:21,192      -Which the OPP denied.           -Yeah, the OPP denied. 941 00:44:21,225 --> 00:44:23,828   They denied- they said they      weren't investigating you. 942 00:44:23,861 --> 00:44:25,996     So, everybody all had a         little part to play in it. 943 00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:30,701    The board and the Chief of           Police thought by 944 00:44:30,735 --> 00:44:33,337    throwing crap at the wall,       something was gonna stick. 945 00:44:33,371 --> 00:44:35,539     They thought they had me         on something, you know, 946 00:44:35,573 --> 00:44:38,242       on breach of trust,               and they didn't. 947 00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:40,511                ♪ 948 00:44:40,544 --> 00:44:44,482    The evidence against Hauth         appears to show that, 949 00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:47,918         not only did she                 lead the effort, 950 00:44:47,952 --> 00:44:51,856     but that she then wrote            in an update later, 951 00:44:51,889 --> 00:44:56,994    that it would be improper       for her Police Service to be 952 00:44:57,027 --> 00:45:00,865    doing that investigation,           which she ordered. 953 00:45:00,898 --> 00:45:04,368            [Buzzing] 954 00:45:04,402 --> 00:45:08,038                ♪ 955 00:45:08,072 --> 00:45:10,374          When a colony                   loses its queen, 956 00:45:10,408 --> 00:45:13,043      the hive can't survive. 957 00:45:13,077 --> 00:45:16,113    So, for Thunder Bay, that's        where the analogy ends. 958 00:45:16,147 --> 00:45:19,750                ♪ 959 00:45:19,784 --> 00:45:22,119    New people were brought in. 960 00:45:22,153 --> 00:45:24,922        A temporary chief                was put in charge. 961 00:45:24,955 --> 00:45:28,125      Changes were promised-             reinvestigations, 962 00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,394      a fresh new beginning. 963 00:45:30,428 --> 00:45:32,696      Will it work this time? 964 00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:34,465       Will justice finally               bring closure to 965 00:45:34,498 --> 00:45:37,401       all of the grieving             Indigenous families... 966 00:45:37,435 --> 00:45:40,638    still looking for answers? 967 00:45:40,671 --> 00:45:45,142           1,771 lives. 968 00:45:45,176 --> 00:45:47,144              Plus 9. 969 00:45:47,178 --> 00:45:49,880          Plus, who knows                  how many more? 970 00:45:49,914 --> 00:45:51,715                ♪ 971 00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:55,252         Well, it depends                 on who you ask. 972 00:45:55,286 --> 00:45:56,921                ♪ 973 00:45:56,954 --> 00:46:00,991     The next few months are             gonna be critical 974 00:46:01,025 --> 00:46:02,593   in terms of the next steps, 975 00:46:02,626 --> 00:46:04,662            and what                    we do at the board, 976 00:46:04,695 --> 00:46:06,297     with the administrators,            with the service, 977 00:46:06,330 --> 00:46:08,265            the city,                     everybody does. 978 00:46:08,299 --> 00:46:11,268      How many times are we            gonna have to do that? 979 00:46:11,302 --> 00:46:12,470    You know, you think about              the families 980 00:46:12,503 --> 00:46:13,771     who have to endure this. 981 00:46:13,804 --> 00:46:15,673        They're tired of              hearing the same thing, 982 00:46:15,706 --> 00:46:18,909      and then just getting          nothing at the end of it. 983 00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:21,846       Absolutely nothing. 984 00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:23,647        If the Thunder Bay             story proves anything, 985 00:46:23,681 --> 00:46:26,517        it's that we can't                go on like this. 986 00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:29,186    We can't go on like this. 987 00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:31,288    And after everything this         city has been through, 988 00:46:31,322 --> 00:46:34,258     leadership in this city              owes this city 989 00:46:34,291 --> 00:46:36,660          radical levels                  of transparency. 990 00:46:36,694 --> 00:46:38,829   I'm talking radical levels. 991 00:46:38,863 --> 00:46:40,164           Yeah, yeah. 992 00:46:40,197 --> 00:46:43,701       And I can assure you            that is not happening. 993 00:46:43,734 --> 00:46:48,205   To date, none of my clients         have been interviewed 994 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,541         by the Civilian                 Police Commission. 995 00:46:50,574 --> 00:46:53,310     I have not received any            response about why 996 00:46:53,344 --> 00:46:56,180     they're not looking into            discrimination and 997 00:46:56,213 --> 00:46:58,782    harassment or misconduct. 998 00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:01,485        I think it's gonna               take time, but... 999 00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:03,187      one thing I have done                 is reassure 1000 00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:04,255     this new administrator. 1001 00:47:04,288 --> 00:47:07,525    I said, you know: "I will         support a path forward. 1002 00:47:07,558 --> 00:47:09,159         I am still here. 1003 00:47:09,193 --> 00:47:12,796         I will help you                  any way I can... 1004 00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:15,799   get to where we need to be." 1005 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:19,637                ♪ 1006 00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:22,206     My family's had a long          connection to this place, 1007 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,475      and I love this place. 1008 00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:27,077         I grew up here. 1009 00:47:27,111 --> 00:47:29,413   The difference that is being         made in this city is 1010 00:47:29,446 --> 00:47:31,649        being made by the                community, itself. 1011 00:47:31,682 --> 00:47:34,351    It's being made by people         making a difference in 1012 00:47:34,385 --> 00:47:37,555    their community, in spite           of leadership here. 1013 00:47:37,588 --> 00:47:43,394                ♪ 1014 00:47:43,427 --> 00:47:46,830     There is actually no good          way to end our story. 1015 00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:49,199       And it is our story. 1016 00:47:49,233 --> 00:47:51,035                ♪ 1017 00:47:54,605 --> 00:48:00,878                ♪ 1018 00:48:00,911 --> 00:48:03,781     ♪ [Indigenous singing] ♪ 1019 00:48:03,814 --> 00:48:05,683          Baagijigaanan. 1020 00:48:05,716 --> 00:48:08,519       A word in the Ojibway             language that says, 1021 00:48:08,552 --> 00:48:11,021      "every single one of us           has something unique, 1022 00:48:11,055 --> 00:48:13,791       something beautiful,             to offer this world". 1023 00:48:13,824 --> 00:48:16,460                ♪ 1024 00:48:16,493 --> 00:48:18,362      It's our responsibility                as people, 1025 00:48:18,395 --> 00:48:22,766     to give our baagijigaanan         freely to each other by 1026 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,137      living a good life and        practicing mino-biimadiziiwin. 1027 00:48:27,171 --> 00:48:29,740        This is why losing          Indigenous community members 1028 00:48:29,773 --> 00:48:34,244     at the hands of violent,            unsolved deaths... 1029 00:48:34,278 --> 00:48:36,947           hurts so much                 for these families. 1030 00:48:36,981 --> 00:48:40,451    Their loved ones never got      to share their baagijigaanan 1031 00:48:40,484 --> 00:48:43,420          with the world. 1032 00:48:43,454 --> 00:48:46,056          To move forward                 in Thunder Bay... 1033 00:48:46,090 --> 00:48:49,560       Hell, to move forward            in Canada and beyond, 1034 00:48:49,593 --> 00:48:52,563   we need to call on ourselves            and each other 1035 00:48:52,596 --> 00:48:55,132    to share our baagijigaanan, 1036 00:48:55,165 --> 00:48:57,901      freely and unselfishly. 1037 00:48:57,935 --> 00:49:01,405   It cannot only be Indigenous     community members that live 1038 00:49:01,438 --> 00:49:04,341   with a heartsick rage in the         pit of their stomach 1039 00:49:04,375 --> 00:49:09,413       due to injustice and                indifference. 1040 00:49:09,446 --> 00:49:12,149    In order to build a future      where everyone can live free 1041 00:49:12,182 --> 00:49:16,120   of the fear of ending up dead     when going out to a movie, 1042 00:49:16,153 --> 00:49:20,124    or hanging out with friends         on a Friday night... 1043 00:49:20,157 --> 00:49:23,427      we need baagijigaanan. 1044 00:49:23,460 --> 00:49:25,996     We need my baagijigaanan. 1045 00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:29,133    We need your baagijigaanan. 1046 00:49:29,166 --> 00:49:32,002            Baamaapii,                nindinawaamaagaanaadook. 1047 00:49:32,036 --> 00:49:33,837             Nahow. .. 1048 00:49:33,871 --> 00:49:36,006              Nahow. 1049 00:49:49,687 --> 00:50:16,880 ♪