1 00:00:35,905 --> 00:00:37,629 Hi, I'm Jared, The Subway Guy, 2 00:00:37,629 --> 00:00:38,905 and this is my story. 3 00:00:39,456 --> 00:00:40,801 Please welcome Jared 4 00:00:40,801 --> 00:00:44,318 who-lost-245-pounds-eating- Subway-sandwiches Fogle. 5 00:00:44,318 --> 00:00:46,043 [narrator] Remember Jared from Subway? 6 00:00:47,043 --> 00:00:49,629 He's inspired a lot of people. 7 00:00:49,629 --> 00:00:52,422 [announcer] Give it up for Jared from Subway. 8 00:00:52,422 --> 00:00:54,491 [crowd cheering] 9 00:00:54,491 --> 00:00:59,180 [woman 1] When we met him, I had this image in my head of who he was. 10 00:00:59,180 --> 00:01:02,008 He, like, helps children all around the world and... 11 00:01:02,008 --> 00:01:03,663 He is someone you could look up to. 12 00:01:03,663 --> 00:01:07,180 You've obviously been an inspiration to many people and to these kiddos. 13 00:01:09,732 --> 00:01:15,215 All of those things are the complete opposite of who he truly is, 14 00:01:15,974 --> 00:01:19,353 and that is a monster. 15 00:01:19,353 --> 00:01:21,905 [woman 2] We were two of Jared Fogel's 14 victims. 16 00:01:25,284 --> 00:01:28,767 [Rochelle] The story you are about to hear sounds crazy. 17 00:01:29,836 --> 00:01:32,560 But I can promise you, it is all true. 18 00:01:34,180 --> 00:01:39,663 As a journalist, I came to know Jared Fogle better than anyone. 19 00:01:39,663 --> 00:01:44,491 Jared used his position as a celebrity to gain the trust of children. 20 00:01:44,491 --> 00:01:46,836 And these kids know me as Jared, The Subway Guy. 21 00:01:46,836 --> 00:01:49,008 I already had their attention. 22 00:01:49,008 --> 00:01:52,215 [Rochelle] I was sure that he was an active pedophile. 23 00:01:53,111 --> 00:01:55,525 And the public were at risk. 24 00:01:55,525 --> 00:02:00,215 And that's when I became an undercover asset for the FBI. 25 00:02:04,836 --> 00:02:06,767 [Jared speaking on recorder] 26 00:02:09,077 --> 00:02:12,836 [Rochelle] Conversations with Jared just got darker and darker. 27 00:02:13,491 --> 00:02:15,249 [Jared speaking on recorder] 28 00:02:17,043 --> 00:02:18,249 [Rochelle speaking on recorder] 29 00:02:18,249 --> 00:02:20,284 [Jared speaking on recorder] 30 00:02:20,284 --> 00:02:24,698 He made me feel so much hatred towards him. 31 00:02:24,698 --> 00:02:27,905 I couldn't even believe what was happening to me. 32 00:02:27,905 --> 00:02:30,111 We were being watched 24/7. 33 00:02:30,111 --> 00:02:35,387 I just knew things were just going to keep getting worse and worse. 34 00:02:35,387 --> 00:02:37,422 There wasn't much I could do about that. 35 00:02:37,422 --> 00:02:38,594 I was a child. 36 00:02:40,043 --> 00:02:43,663 Fear is what kept us quiet for so long. 37 00:02:45,284 --> 00:02:46,767 [Jared speaking on recorder] 38 00:02:48,939 --> 00:02:53,249 Rochelle said, "Jared from Subway wants to see pictures 39 00:02:53,249 --> 00:02:56,629 of my kids naked, and if I don't, he's going to kill me." 40 00:02:56,629 --> 00:02:58,905 [Rochelle] I let this monster into our lives. 41 00:03:00,732 --> 00:03:01,939 I was terrified. 42 00:03:02,698 --> 00:03:05,180 But he needed to be stopped. 43 00:03:33,146 --> 00:03:35,698 [Katie] I went to middle school, high school, 44 00:03:35,698 --> 00:03:41,008 and I also went to two years of college with Jared when he was young. 45 00:03:41,008 --> 00:03:46,008 Jared Fogle was shy, very nerdy, smart, and a bit of a loner, 46 00:03:47,284 --> 00:03:49,043 probably because he was an outcast. 47 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,594 He started gaining weight really young, sixth, seventh and eighth grade. 48 00:03:56,594 --> 00:04:00,284 Jared was probably the heaviest person in middle school, 49 00:04:00,284 --> 00:04:05,732 and that includes adults too and I think it was probably between 250 and 300 pounds. 50 00:04:07,353 --> 00:04:09,974 I just remember that by the time we got to high school, 51 00:04:09,974 --> 00:04:11,318 he was morbidly obese. 52 00:04:12,663 --> 00:04:14,422 For Jared to have that much weight on him, 53 00:04:14,422 --> 00:04:17,698 it's like he had a target on his back. 54 00:04:20,732 --> 00:04:21,870 [Scott] For lack of better words, 55 00:04:21,870 --> 00:04:23,525 you couldn't miss him, 56 00:04:23,525 --> 00:04:26,318 you know. I don't know. 57 00:04:26,318 --> 00:04:28,249 I don't want to get myself in trouble, 58 00:04:28,249 --> 00:04:29,801 but, you know. 59 00:04:29,801 --> 00:04:32,043 But, yeah, I was... It was hard... hard to miss. 60 00:04:33,077 --> 00:04:35,629 And you could tell that he knew. 61 00:04:37,525 --> 00:04:40,456 I'd be willing to bet that he went home crying a lot. 62 00:04:41,767 --> 00:04:45,077 It's almost like his childhood was stolen from him because 63 00:04:45,077 --> 00:04:46,836 every day was kind of a battle. 64 00:04:46,836 --> 00:04:49,146 Where is he going to sit for lunch? 65 00:04:49,146 --> 00:04:51,249 [interviewer] Would you have sat next to Jared in the dining hall? 66 00:04:51,870 --> 00:04:53,767 No. 67 00:04:53,767 --> 00:04:55,801 No, that would have been social suicide. 68 00:04:57,249 --> 00:04:58,836 I never saw him with anybody. 69 00:05:02,594 --> 00:05:07,077 I can only imagine how lonely it was for Jared and just scary. 70 00:05:08,801 --> 00:05:11,215 [Scott] I think every doctor would agree that a lot of your 71 00:05:11,215 --> 00:05:13,939 early years mold you into who you are. 72 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:15,974 If you have a lot of insecurities 73 00:05:15,974 --> 00:05:18,422 and a lot of people are ripping on those 74 00:05:19,284 --> 00:05:21,456 all the time when you're a child, 75 00:05:21,456 --> 00:05:27,180 I mean, that's got to mess with you in all kinds of different ways. 76 00:05:27,180 --> 00:05:31,456 [Katie] I think the weight was a symptom of him checking out of life. 77 00:05:31,456 --> 00:05:33,663 He kept just finding friendship in food. 78 00:05:33,663 --> 00:05:35,663 He references that in the book and everything. 79 00:05:35,663 --> 00:05:38,732 [Scott] "I overate to compensate for my social awkwardness. 80 00:05:38,732 --> 00:05:41,974 I overate because I just plain love the taste of food. 81 00:05:41,974 --> 00:05:45,180 But as I grew fatter and fatter, I felt more isolated. 82 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:48,043 Eventually, I felt that I didn't have any real friends 83 00:05:48,043 --> 00:05:50,353 in the world except for one, food." 84 00:05:52,422 --> 00:05:56,974 [Katie] He just let it take hold of him and he was going to die 85 00:05:56,974 --> 00:05:59,249 young if he didn't get that weight off. 86 00:06:05,043 --> 00:06:06,525 [people chattering] 87 00:06:11,249 --> 00:06:15,318 [Katie] In 1999, I was in a Nutrition class sitting next to a guy 88 00:06:15,318 --> 00:06:18,077 that I went to high school with. The instructor ended up 89 00:06:18,077 --> 00:06:20,318 passing around the Indiana Daily student. 90 00:06:20,318 --> 00:06:22,560 And when it got to the high school friend 91 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,422 that I was sitting with, he looks at it and he hits me 92 00:06:25,422 --> 00:06:28,767 on the shoulder and says, "Katie, oh my gosh, it's Jared Fogle. 93 00:06:28,767 --> 00:06:30,146 Look at this." 94 00:06:30,146 --> 00:06:36,456 And we could not believe it because Jared was thin. 95 00:06:38,939 --> 00:06:40,284 With the weight loss and everything, 96 00:06:40,284 --> 00:06:42,456 Jared became a local celebrity on campus. 97 00:06:43,077 --> 00:06:44,284 It was crazy. 98 00:06:46,905 --> 00:06:51,111 [Mike] I don't think I'd ever read a story like the Jared Fogle story. 99 00:06:51,111 --> 00:06:54,249 Ryan Coleman's article, the Indiana Daily Student, 100 00:06:54,249 --> 00:06:56,077 was called "From Thick to Thin." 101 00:06:56,077 --> 00:06:58,836 So that right there was an attention-getter. 102 00:07:00,836 --> 00:07:07,387 To think that he lost 245 pounds in less than a year, um, 103 00:07:07,387 --> 00:07:08,836 is astonishing, really. 104 00:07:08,836 --> 00:07:12,939 And he did it with the strangest darn diet you've ever thought of. 105 00:07:14,905 --> 00:07:19,698 The way Jared lost his weight was the compelling factor. 106 00:07:19,698 --> 00:07:25,387 He lost weight eating subway sandwiches every day. 107 00:07:25,387 --> 00:07:30,387 I believe Jared's formula was a small turkey sub in the afternoon 108 00:07:30,387 --> 00:07:32,594 and then a veggie delight for the evening. 109 00:07:34,767 --> 00:07:38,456 Then I got word, a film crew from Subway was going 110 00:07:38,456 --> 00:07:41,594 to come testing for a commercial. 111 00:07:41,594 --> 00:07:45,284 So being a journalist, I just thought I got to do this story. 112 00:07:46,905 --> 00:07:53,905 I first interviewed him at his apartment and he was a little nervous, 113 00:07:53,905 --> 00:07:56,767 but he just seemed like a decent fellow. 114 00:07:58,629 --> 00:08:02,836 He was raised by a classic, typical family that had values. 115 00:08:04,111 --> 00:08:06,629 Younger brother, younger sister. 116 00:08:06,629 --> 00:08:08,249 His mother was a teacher. 117 00:08:08,249 --> 00:08:10,111 His father was a doctor. 118 00:08:10,111 --> 00:08:12,491 He had a good upbringing, as far as I can tell. 119 00:08:15,905 --> 00:08:18,698 But Jared just basically talked about how... 120 00:08:19,422 --> 00:08:20,560 [laughs] 121 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,939 ...how depressing his life had been, really. 122 00:08:22,939 --> 00:08:25,801 The more weight he gained, the more awkward he felt 123 00:08:25,801 --> 00:08:28,043 and the more reclusive he became. 124 00:08:28,043 --> 00:08:31,180 So I think Jared was very appreciative 125 00:08:31,180 --> 00:08:33,767 of what the Subway diet did for him. 126 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:36,974 He wasn't this outcast anymore. 127 00:08:36,974 --> 00:08:39,043 He wasn't 'The Elephant Man.' 128 00:08:41,215 --> 00:08:44,491 And he went on to get a girlfriend 129 00:08:44,491 --> 00:08:46,560 and he never envisioned that. 130 00:08:47,698 --> 00:08:50,456 I was happy for him to see that he had a girlfriend 131 00:08:50,456 --> 00:08:52,111 and then to see that he was getting married. 132 00:08:52,111 --> 00:08:55,525 And I thought, you know, he'd turned everything around. 133 00:08:58,318 --> 00:09:00,043 [narrator] Here is Jared Fogle. 134 00:09:00,043 --> 00:09:02,732 You may have seen him on the news or a talk show. 135 00:09:02,732 --> 00:09:06,215 He was inspired by Subway's great-tasting sandwiches. 136 00:09:06,215 --> 00:09:09,629 Jared believes in an active lifestyle, including lots of walking. 137 00:09:10,284 --> 00:09:11,594 - Hey, Jared. - Hey, guys. 138 00:09:11,594 --> 00:09:14,387 [Mike] I remember it was pretty stiff, but I think 139 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:17,318 he was endearing just because he wasn't polished. 140 00:09:17,318 --> 00:09:19,491 And you can tell that he wasn't an actor. 141 00:09:19,491 --> 00:09:20,801 [narrator] Food for thought. 142 00:09:22,284 --> 00:09:25,732 When I first saw a commercial for Subway, it was Jared Fogle on there. 143 00:09:25,732 --> 00:09:27,870 I could not believe it. 144 00:09:27,870 --> 00:09:32,905 To have a national Subway commercial 145 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:35,732 and you are the main person in it, 146 00:09:35,732 --> 00:09:39,801 and then they're doing their branding around you, Jared Fogle, 147 00:09:39,801 --> 00:09:43,801 like, nobody could have ever predicted this in a million years. 148 00:09:43,801 --> 00:09:46,215 [newsreader 1] He's on the road 200 days a year, 149 00:09:46,215 --> 00:09:48,905 sharing his weight loss story for Subway. 150 00:09:48,905 --> 00:09:50,836 He quickly became an inspiration 151 00:09:50,836 --> 00:09:54,284 and a successful pitchman for the company. 152 00:09:54,284 --> 00:09:58,491 A regular guy who was morbidly obese is suddenly going 153 00:09:58,491 --> 00:10:02,043 to be the spokesperson for a fast food chain. 154 00:10:02,043 --> 00:10:06,318 I don't think he knew what he was in for at all. 155 00:10:06,318 --> 00:10:09,836 I'm here with Jared Fogle, who we all know as The Subway Guy. 156 00:10:09,836 --> 00:10:11,836 None other than Jared, The Subway Guy. 157 00:10:11,836 --> 00:10:13,939 Jared, The Subway Guy. 158 00:10:13,939 --> 00:10:16,801 [reporter 1] We're now joined in Indianapolis by Jared Fogle. 159 00:10:16,801 --> 00:10:18,111 What do you do for a living? 160 00:10:18,111 --> 00:10:21,008 Pretty much now I go all over the world with Subway. 161 00:10:21,008 --> 00:10:23,284 [Katie] He got so, so famous. 162 00:10:23,284 --> 00:10:24,387 It was like Madonna. 163 00:10:24,387 --> 00:10:26,525 Everybody knew Jared, The Subway Guy. 164 00:10:26,525 --> 00:10:27,594 I couldn't believe it. 165 00:10:27,594 --> 00:10:30,043 He just absolutely blew up. 166 00:10:30,043 --> 00:10:34,180 I think people resonated with Jared and loved him so much and he just rose 167 00:10:34,180 --> 00:10:38,974 so high because he was the ultimate underdog in life. 168 00:10:38,974 --> 00:10:40,318 Sir, I'd love to have your autograph. 169 00:10:40,318 --> 00:10:42,077 Very good. 170 00:10:42,077 --> 00:10:43,491 - Famous Jared. - How are you doing? 171 00:10:43,491 --> 00:10:45,629 I never expected to be well known. 172 00:10:45,629 --> 00:10:47,077 Dude, look a that commercial with the guy 173 00:10:47,077 --> 00:10:48,870 that lost 400 pounds eating at Subway sandwiches. 174 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:52,387 [Jared] It's like I'm almost like in a fairy tale, like in a La La Land. 175 00:10:52,387 --> 00:10:55,215 [Scott] When you see somebody really just take hold of their life 176 00:10:55,215 --> 00:10:59,180 and just turn it like right to hell around, it is really inspiring. 177 00:10:59,180 --> 00:11:00,974 Thanks for being the real deal... 178 00:11:00,974 --> 00:11:02,284 You're welcome, whoever you are. 179 00:11:05,111 --> 00:11:06,663 [Max] My name is Max Winitz. 180 00:11:06,663 --> 00:11:12,491 I was a reporter and anchor with ABC7 in Sarasota, Florida. 181 00:11:12,491 --> 00:11:15,077 Jared Fogle, aka The Subway Guy, 182 00:11:15,077 --> 00:11:17,146 is no stranger to the Suncoast. 183 00:11:17,146 --> 00:11:19,767 Here he is visiting Lakewood Ranch Medical Center, 184 00:11:19,767 --> 00:11:23,767 followed by a stop at the restaurant that made him famous. 185 00:11:23,767 --> 00:11:29,732 So in the mid-2000s, Jared would often visit Florida's Suncoast. 186 00:11:29,732 --> 00:11:32,456 Specifically the Sarasota area. 187 00:11:32,456 --> 00:11:35,456 [newsreader 2] Jared Fogle has made school visits just like this to talk 188 00:11:35,456 --> 00:11:39,180 to kids about his story and why a healthy lifestyle is so important. 189 00:11:40,456 --> 00:11:45,318 And on one of those days, he sat down for the first time 190 00:11:45,318 --> 00:11:49,422 with Rochelle Herman, a local radio host. 191 00:11:53,353 --> 00:11:56,905 [Rochelle] I came to know Jared Fogle better than anyone. 192 00:11:59,387 --> 00:12:05,491 What I found out about him and who he really was made me feel 193 00:12:06,974 --> 00:12:09,043 so much hatred towards him. 194 00:12:11,077 --> 00:12:16,077 Some of the darkest memories that I have is I can't stop going 195 00:12:16,077 --> 00:12:19,767 back to, um, what he put these kids through. 196 00:12:21,387 --> 00:12:23,284 [Jared speaking] 197 00:12:26,767 --> 00:12:29,249 Will take me for the rest of my life to process it. 198 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:30,629 Um... 199 00:12:37,422 --> 00:12:39,146 [Jared speaking on recorder] 200 00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:42,353 I'm sorry. 201 00:12:43,629 --> 00:12:44,836 [Jared speaking on recorder] 202 00:13:02,594 --> 00:13:04,318 My life before Jared, 203 00:13:04,318 --> 00:13:05,456 it wasn't perfect. 204 00:13:09,043 --> 00:13:13,836 I met my husband, Tom, in 1996. 205 00:13:15,249 --> 00:13:18,215 After a few short months, Tom and I got married. 206 00:13:20,594 --> 00:13:21,905 We had a great start. 207 00:13:23,422 --> 00:13:26,663 My son, Thomas, was born in 1997. 208 00:13:27,836 --> 00:13:32,318 And my daughter, Angela, was born in 1998. 209 00:13:32,318 --> 00:13:35,043 They were very close, 16 months apart. 210 00:13:35,043 --> 00:13:37,077 We just had a wonderful family. 211 00:13:39,077 --> 00:13:43,525 But things just piled on as they do. 212 00:13:43,525 --> 00:13:45,146 There was a lot of arguing. 213 00:13:48,422 --> 00:13:53,077 And then after ten years, Tom and I went our separate ways. 214 00:13:57,077 --> 00:14:03,939 After the divorce, I was starting on a new path as a single mom. 215 00:14:03,939 --> 00:14:10,525 I really started building my career broadcasting as a radio talk show host 216 00:14:10,525 --> 00:14:13,180 and as a TV show personality. 217 00:14:15,043 --> 00:14:16,836 [Thomas] She became like a huge regional star. 218 00:14:18,422 --> 00:14:21,422 As a kid, I definitely thought my mom was really cool because 219 00:14:21,422 --> 00:14:23,353 we would always be going out and doing things 220 00:14:23,353 --> 00:14:25,594 for the radio and TV shows she had. 221 00:14:25,594 --> 00:14:28,422 I definitely looked up to my mother, like, quite a bit. 222 00:14:28,422 --> 00:14:31,008 [Sean] My first impression of Rochelle... 223 00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:34,111 She was a beautiful woman. 224 00:14:34,111 --> 00:14:37,180 I mean, blond... blond hair who's not a sucker for blonds. 225 00:14:38,732 --> 00:14:40,249 To know her as a lover, 226 00:14:41,594 --> 00:14:43,318 she's the sweetest person in the world. 227 00:14:44,353 --> 00:14:45,767 [Thomas] She has a big heart. 228 00:14:45,767 --> 00:14:48,008 There's this thing called the turkey trolley that she would do 229 00:14:48,008 --> 00:14:50,767 every Christmas and, like, deliver meals to people 230 00:14:50,767 --> 00:14:53,146 who don't have any family members and stuff. 231 00:14:53,146 --> 00:14:57,353 She's just a very caring person and wants to help people. 232 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:00,974 [Rochelle] Morning, everyone. 233 00:15:00,974 --> 00:15:04,629 Thanks for joining us here for Health Beat of America. 234 00:15:04,629 --> 00:15:10,215 [Rochelle] The purpose of my radio show was to educate the public. 235 00:15:10,215 --> 00:15:14,353 One of the more common subjects was obesity in America. 236 00:15:17,008 --> 00:15:22,801 In the fall of 2006, I was contacted by the American Heart Association 237 00:15:22,801 --> 00:15:28,801 asking me to interview Jared Fogle, spokesperson of Subway, on the program. 238 00:15:28,801 --> 00:15:32,767 It was a no-brainer, really, because he was so popular. 239 00:15:32,767 --> 00:15:34,180 [reporter 2] Hey, Jared, what's cooking? 240 00:15:34,180 --> 00:15:35,870 [indistinct] 241 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:38,422 [Max] He was somebody that America rallied behind. 242 00:15:39,387 --> 00:15:41,422 Congratulations, Jared. 243 00:15:41,422 --> 00:15:43,043 We love you, Jared. 244 00:15:43,043 --> 00:15:45,111 Subway certainly recognized it. 245 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:48,146 I mean, they... they marketed the hell out of this guy. 246 00:15:48,146 --> 00:15:52,939 A college junior named Jared Fogle weighed 425 pounds, 247 00:15:52,939 --> 00:15:57,249 decided to make a change in his life, walked into a nearby Subway 248 00:15:57,249 --> 00:15:59,387 and created his own unique diet. 249 00:15:59,387 --> 00:16:04,249 It's a success story, and Americans love success stories. 250 00:16:06,594 --> 00:16:10,732 [Rochelle] The kids, when they would see him, they were screaming. 251 00:16:10,732 --> 00:16:12,387 It was like people seeing Michael Jackson. 252 00:16:12,387 --> 00:16:13,732 That's really the way it was. 253 00:16:15,456 --> 00:16:16,939 [on radio] Thanks for joining us. I'm... 254 00:16:16,939 --> 00:16:20,284 [Rochelle] The morning of the broadcast that I had scheduled Jared 255 00:16:20,284 --> 00:16:23,974 to be on was for radio, and following that, 256 00:16:23,974 --> 00:16:26,284 there was a television version. 257 00:16:26,284 --> 00:16:29,801 I was excited he was coming on the air, 258 00:16:29,801 --> 00:16:34,422 but he was about 30 to 40 minutes late for his interview. 259 00:16:35,215 --> 00:16:37,353 When Jared came in the studio, 260 00:16:37,353 --> 00:16:40,043 we quickly went to commercial break. 261 00:16:40,043 --> 00:16:42,043 He was very nice. 262 00:16:42,043 --> 00:16:47,422 He was very cordial, and personable, but he had ego. 263 00:16:47,422 --> 00:16:51,663 That, I believe is because of his fast flight to stardom. 264 00:16:53,008 --> 00:16:54,560 He was a good interviewee. 265 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,353 What was the turning point in your life? 266 00:16:56,353 --> 00:16:57,870 You said you were 20 years old. 267 00:16:57,870 --> 00:16:59,629 Why not earlier on? 268 00:16:59,629 --> 00:17:01,801 [Jared] I had to finally accept I had a problem, number one, 269 00:17:01,801 --> 00:17:03,525 I had to finally, um, 270 00:17:03,525 --> 00:17:06,146 go through several failed attempts of losing weight and, 271 00:17:06,146 --> 00:17:08,215 you know, get to that point where I was just ready 272 00:17:08,215 --> 00:17:09,594 to do what I had to do. 273 00:17:09,594 --> 00:17:11,974 [Rochelle] Now, what has been the highest point in your life here? 274 00:17:11,974 --> 00:17:13,629 Is it about motivating others? 275 00:17:13,629 --> 00:17:15,043 [Jared] I think it is. 276 00:17:15,043 --> 00:17:17,180 And I think especially kids more than anything. Trying to say, 277 00:17:17,180 --> 00:17:19,698 "Hey, I expect you guys to take that self-responsibility 278 00:17:19,698 --> 00:17:23,422 at a much younger age so you don't have to have the health issues that I had." 279 00:17:23,422 --> 00:17:25,663 [Rochelle] Jared spoke about childhood obesity. 280 00:17:25,663 --> 00:17:29,146 He spoke about building self-esteem. 281 00:17:29,146 --> 00:17:33,525 It was always about his passion for helping the children. 282 00:17:33,525 --> 00:17:35,767 [Jared] I never thought in a million years I'd ever be in a position 283 00:17:35,767 --> 00:17:38,491 to motivate or influence somebody else, let alone in a positive way. 284 00:17:38,491 --> 00:17:40,836 So this hopefully, the story can... 285 00:17:40,836 --> 00:17:44,318 can... really people see, "If that Jared guy can do it, you know, I can do it too." 286 00:17:46,284 --> 00:17:50,594 [Rochelle] After we finished with the segment, Jared was very flirtatious. 287 00:17:50,594 --> 00:17:53,043 He told me how pretty I was. 288 00:17:53,043 --> 00:17:57,249 I was flattered that he was interested in me, 289 00:17:57,249 --> 00:18:02,008 whether it was sincere or just the way that he was. 290 00:18:02,008 --> 00:18:04,767 I wasn't sure. 291 00:18:04,767 --> 00:18:08,663 So following the interview, I expressed to him how excited 292 00:18:08,663 --> 00:18:13,767 my daughter Angela was and that she wanted to meet him. 293 00:18:15,594 --> 00:18:18,180 He came and met us and we took photos. 294 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:24,111 Jared is standing there and then he has my daughter, I believe, to his left. 295 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:35,905 Looking at it brings back horrible memories. 296 00:18:38,353 --> 00:18:41,353 It's like putting your children in the mouth of a shark. 297 00:18:49,387 --> 00:18:52,663 The filming of the television program I was to do with Jared 298 00:18:52,663 --> 00:18:56,077 was held at the middle school here in Sarasota. 299 00:18:56,974 --> 00:18:59,284 So Jared and I went on stage. 300 00:18:59,284 --> 00:19:02,387 Nobody was in the auditorium except for my cameraman. 301 00:19:02,387 --> 00:19:09,215 He went on his way to position his camera, and we sat down on the couch. 302 00:19:18,077 --> 00:19:22,215 Jared started talking to me, telling me how pretty I was, 303 00:19:22,215 --> 00:19:25,698 asking me if he could hold my hand. 304 00:19:25,698 --> 00:19:30,456 I believe Jared had been going through a divorce. 305 00:19:30,456 --> 00:19:33,318 It was obvious he was very interested in me. 306 00:19:33,318 --> 00:19:34,836 That made me uncomfortable. 307 00:19:34,836 --> 00:19:36,146 But I didn't say anything. 308 00:19:36,146 --> 00:19:37,525 I just blew it off. 309 00:19:39,732 --> 00:19:43,008 Just before the camera started rolling, 310 00:19:43,008 --> 00:19:48,284 he slowly leans over and whispers in my ear... 311 00:19:49,732 --> 00:19:52,284 ...something so horrific. 312 00:19:52,284 --> 00:19:54,525 It changed my life forever. 313 00:20:08,422 --> 00:20:10,525 Jared leaned over, 314 00:20:10,525 --> 00:20:14,560 just out of the blue, and tells me how hot 315 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,629 he thought middle school girls were. 316 00:20:17,870 --> 00:20:19,422 I just shut down. 317 00:20:19,422 --> 00:20:21,180 It was such a shock to me. 318 00:20:23,629 --> 00:20:27,663 Did I really just hear what he just said to me? 319 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:35,387 And at that point, a teacher came in and brought 320 00:20:35,387 --> 00:20:39,215 a couple of students and, um, to speak with Jared. 321 00:20:40,594 --> 00:20:43,422 [producer] How did you make it through that interview? 322 00:20:43,422 --> 00:20:49,560 I was struggling, to be frank with you, because my mind kept 323 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,422 deferring back to what he said to me. 324 00:20:52,422 --> 00:20:54,974 I just wanted to get it over with. 325 00:21:06,594 --> 00:21:13,318 So I was lying in bed following my day of events with Jared 326 00:21:13,318 --> 00:21:15,249 and my mind is racing. 327 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,594 What was Jared Fogle? 328 00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:20,215 Who was he? 329 00:21:20,215 --> 00:21:22,629 It's not who he portrays himself to be. 330 00:21:23,663 --> 00:21:25,180 I was thinking about the children 331 00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:27,284 of all the schools that he was going to. 332 00:21:29,249 --> 00:21:31,491 He could be a danger to our children. 333 00:21:32,836 --> 00:21:34,767 It was just so alarming. 334 00:21:36,974 --> 00:21:41,767 On the outside, he seemed friendly, caring, compassionate, 335 00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:45,387 well-liked, somebody that people looked up to. 336 00:21:46,387 --> 00:21:48,077 But was it been all a lie? 337 00:21:49,629 --> 00:21:52,111 I didn't know what I was going to do. 338 00:21:52,111 --> 00:21:54,146 I didn't know where it would lead me. 339 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:57,249 But I just wanted to find out the truth. 340 00:21:57,249 --> 00:22:02,146 Please welcome Jared who-lost-245-pounds-eating- Subway-sandwiches Fogle. 341 00:22:02,146 --> 00:22:03,456 [applause] 342 00:22:04,387 --> 00:22:05,663 Amazing. 343 00:22:06,732 --> 00:22:08,456 [whooping] 344 00:22:09,974 --> 00:22:13,008 [Pam] My husband and I, we were sitting and watching TV 345 00:22:13,008 --> 00:22:14,939 and we were watching Oprah Winfrey. 346 00:22:14,939 --> 00:22:19,836 And I saw Jared on... on Oprah Winfrey telling his story. 347 00:22:21,422 --> 00:22:23,732 It was a, it was a diet that I sort of invented. 348 00:22:23,732 --> 00:22:26,146 I lived next to a Subway sandwich shop in Bloomington, Indiana. 349 00:22:26,146 --> 00:22:27,836 [Pam] I saw his before and after pictures 350 00:22:27,836 --> 00:22:29,560 and I was amazed. 351 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,525 I had a voila moment and I said, "Oh, my gosh, this is what I need to do." 352 00:22:34,525 --> 00:22:39,629 And that day I picked up my first Subway sandwich, and the rest is history. 353 00:22:40,974 --> 00:22:45,180 After six months, I had lost 55 pounds. 354 00:22:46,491 --> 00:22:49,491 I always said that Jared was my hero at that time. 355 00:22:49,491 --> 00:22:51,318 He was the inspiration for me to do that. 356 00:22:52,836 --> 00:22:53,974 He changed my life. 357 00:22:55,939 --> 00:23:00,663 I became somewhat of a... a local star. 358 00:23:02,836 --> 00:23:07,663 And then a few weeks later, I got a call from the Subway Corporation 359 00:23:07,663 --> 00:23:10,249 and they said, "Well, we'd like to fly you to California 360 00:23:10,249 --> 00:23:12,974 and make a commercial with Jared Fogle, it's going 361 00:23:12,974 --> 00:23:14,525 to be called "Friends of Jared." 362 00:23:15,974 --> 00:23:17,353 So I landed in L.A. 363 00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:20,698 There were five of us total, 364 00:23:20,698 --> 00:23:25,629 the first commercial. My first impression to Jared was just 365 00:23:25,629 --> 00:23:28,146 kind of down to earth, very easygoing. 366 00:23:28,146 --> 00:23:29,560 He got along with everybody 367 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,043 and he was really helpful to all of us. 368 00:23:33,111 --> 00:23:34,560 He says, "Your life after these 369 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,008 commercials is going to change." 370 00:23:36,008 --> 00:23:37,456 He says, "Just be ready for it." 371 00:23:37,456 --> 00:23:38,732 And it did. 372 00:23:39,974 --> 00:23:42,422 [narrator] You remember Jared from Subway? 373 00:23:42,422 --> 00:23:45,215 Turns out, he's inspired a lot of people... 374 00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:46,663 ♪ He's still looking good ♪ 375 00:23:47,594 --> 00:23:50,422 ♪ To show you the way ♪ 376 00:23:50,422 --> 00:23:55,491 ♪ For seven sandwiches with six grams of fat or less ♪ 377 00:23:55,491 --> 00:23:59,318 [Pam] My whole life changed for about a year. 378 00:23:59,318 --> 00:24:03,249 Everywhere I went, people were honking at me and waving. 379 00:24:03,249 --> 00:24:05,180 You know, being thrown in the limelight, 380 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:06,939 it's... it's pretty overwhelming. 381 00:24:08,456 --> 00:24:14,456 I can't imagine what I dealt with for a year 382 00:24:14,456 --> 00:24:18,525 that Jared went through for 15 years. 383 00:24:18,525 --> 00:24:24,491 But one of the things that impressed me about him was that he was very humble. 384 00:24:26,111 --> 00:24:30,353 He just wanted to help other children to lose weight. 385 00:24:30,353 --> 00:24:32,594 I thought, what a great thing to do with your fame and fortune. 386 00:24:34,456 --> 00:24:37,767 As I look back, I did not see a dark side in him. 387 00:24:37,767 --> 00:24:40,870 I only saw the good side of him. 388 00:24:45,939 --> 00:24:49,387 [Rochelle] To prove Jared was up to no good 389 00:24:49,387 --> 00:24:52,215 and was a danger to our children... 390 00:24:52,215 --> 00:24:53,663 They don't make the sandwiches. 391 00:24:53,663 --> 00:24:55,663 [Rochelle] ...I needed to have evidence... 392 00:24:55,663 --> 00:24:57,146 Subway. 393 00:24:57,146 --> 00:24:59,663 ...and that's what I sought out to acquire. 394 00:25:05,525 --> 00:25:07,732 [producer] You are a radio talk show host, 395 00:25:07,732 --> 00:25:09,284 you're a reporter. 396 00:25:10,663 --> 00:25:14,801 This could potentially be an amazing and revealing story. 397 00:25:14,801 --> 00:25:16,180 Mm-hmm. 398 00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:18,043 [producer] To what extent did that play into your molestation? 399 00:25:19,732 --> 00:25:24,974 I initially thought, "Wow, what a story." 400 00:25:24,974 --> 00:25:27,663 I mean, that's my profession. 401 00:25:27,663 --> 00:25:32,491 But my impulse was to act because 402 00:25:33,387 --> 00:25:36,560 this was horrible what he said. 403 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,077 Not only the fact that I was a mother and had children of my own. 404 00:25:41,077 --> 00:25:47,077 This is just I think any individual would think that there needs 405 00:25:47,077 --> 00:25:49,974 to be a further look into Jared Fogle. 406 00:25:49,974 --> 00:25:51,629 [producer] Why didn't you go to the police? 407 00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:55,077 I didn't have any tangible evidence. 408 00:25:56,836 --> 00:26:01,422 He could easily discount it and say I misheard. 409 00:26:04,215 --> 00:26:07,387 Because of his status as a celebrity, 410 00:26:08,249 --> 00:26:09,422 who would believe me? 411 00:26:13,008 --> 00:26:15,767 So I started my own research. 412 00:26:19,111 --> 00:26:23,043 I was searching to see if he was ever arrested for anything, 413 00:26:23,043 --> 00:26:27,629 charged with anything, trying to find anyone who knew him 414 00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:30,663 or knew of him, had interviewed him prior, 415 00:26:30,663 --> 00:26:34,939 not wanting to give away what it was 416 00:26:34,939 --> 00:26:38,594 that I was really investigating, 417 00:26:38,594 --> 00:26:43,111 but there was nothing I could never find anything of a deviant nature. 418 00:26:48,767 --> 00:26:52,629 At this point, I had my suspicions as anyone might 419 00:26:52,629 --> 00:26:58,422 when they're told... made... someone makes a statement such as what Jared did. 420 00:26:59,422 --> 00:27:01,318 But I didn't have proof. 421 00:27:03,008 --> 00:27:08,491 So I knew I needed to get Jared on tape in his own words, 422 00:27:08,491 --> 00:27:14,801 his own voice expressing his desires, his confessions, 423 00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:18,284 and especially even his plans for children. 424 00:27:18,284 --> 00:27:21,456 It wasn't the most thought-out plan, 425 00:27:21,456 --> 00:27:24,732 but once the evidence was acquired. 426 00:27:26,491 --> 00:27:30,387 I could hand over to the authorities. 427 00:27:30,387 --> 00:27:33,974 But that's when the story becomes kind of crazy. 428 00:27:36,836 --> 00:27:38,249 [tires screeching] 429 00:27:53,284 --> 00:27:56,146 It was about six months after the first interview 430 00:27:56,146 --> 00:27:58,836 that the American Heart Association arranged 431 00:27:58,836 --> 00:28:02,698 a second interview on my programs with Jared. 432 00:28:05,284 --> 00:28:11,146 And during a conversation I had surrounding his interview off the air, 433 00:28:12,284 --> 00:28:17,456 I was able to obtain Jared's cell phone number. 434 00:28:17,456 --> 00:28:23,111 That cell phone number was my connection to be able to talk with him 435 00:28:23,111 --> 00:28:25,491 and see what else he had to say, 436 00:28:25,491 --> 00:28:29,732 see what other deviant things he might want to share. 437 00:28:32,077 --> 00:28:34,249 And so that's why I started recording him. 438 00:28:35,456 --> 00:28:36,560 [phone ringing] 439 00:28:40,698 --> 00:28:42,249 [Rochelle on phone] Hello? 440 00:28:42,249 --> 00:28:44,284 [Jared on phone] Hey, there. 441 00:28:44,284 --> 00:28:47,939 [Rochelle] We had just a few conversations early on. 442 00:28:47,939 --> 00:28:49,801 I was very nervous. 443 00:28:49,801 --> 00:28:51,422 [Rochelle speaking] 444 00:28:51,422 --> 00:28:53,870 [Jared speaking] 445 00:28:55,905 --> 00:28:57,939 [Rochelle speaking] 446 00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,905 [Jared speaking] 447 00:29:01,663 --> 00:29:03,077 [Jared on phone] Tomorrow will be... 448 00:29:03,077 --> 00:29:07,905 [Rochelle] Jared was very cautious with what he would tell me 449 00:29:07,905 --> 00:29:12,491 initially, so I had to take baby steps asking questions 450 00:29:12,491 --> 00:29:16,905 not to frighten him away, but just to plant a seed. 451 00:29:16,905 --> 00:29:18,870 "Oh, she's interested." 452 00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:23,491 Um, you know, and just until he felt more comfortable with me 453 00:29:23,491 --> 00:29:25,353 would he share more information. 454 00:29:26,698 --> 00:29:28,560 [Rochelle speaking] 455 00:29:29,353 --> 00:29:31,180 [Jared speaking] 456 00:29:33,353 --> 00:29:35,732 [Rochelle speaking] 457 00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:38,387 [Jared speaking] 458 00:29:39,491 --> 00:29:40,870 [Rochelle] I gave the appearance 459 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:43,870 that I was somebody he could confide in. 460 00:29:45,008 --> 00:29:46,629 [Rochelle speaking] 461 00:29:47,215 --> 00:29:49,077 [Jared speaking] 462 00:29:50,353 --> 00:29:51,974 [Rochelle] Throughout the phone calls, 463 00:29:51,974 --> 00:29:56,146 there was a number of times that he would bring up the subject of children. 464 00:29:56,146 --> 00:29:58,284 [Jared speaking] 465 00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:06,284 [Rochelle speaking] 466 00:30:06,284 --> 00:30:08,387 [Jared speaking] 467 00:30:10,215 --> 00:30:13,422 He didn't get into any sexual nature of it, 468 00:30:13,422 --> 00:30:16,905 but he deferred right to the subject of children. 469 00:30:16,905 --> 00:30:18,732 He must have been thinking about it. 470 00:30:19,629 --> 00:30:20,870 [Rochelle speaking] 471 00:30:22,491 --> 00:30:23,767 [Jared speaking] 472 00:30:27,077 --> 00:30:28,422 It wasn't enough. 473 00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:34,836 So I agreed to meet him. 474 00:30:34,836 --> 00:30:38,180 He had to be in West Palm Beach for Subway 475 00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:42,353 and made the arrangements for me to come out there to see him. 476 00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:48,180 It was important for me to meet with Jared in person. 477 00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:51,422 When you meet someone in person, you feel closer. 478 00:30:51,422 --> 00:30:53,180 You're more comfortable. 479 00:30:54,870 --> 00:31:00,939 I admit that I was naive to a degree doing this initial launch 480 00:31:00,939 --> 00:31:02,974 of an investigation on my own. 481 00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:08,698 I didn't think about, what level of harm's way 482 00:31:08,698 --> 00:31:11,456 that I would be possibly putting myself in. 483 00:31:12,629 --> 00:31:16,491 I just did what I felt instinctual to do. 484 00:31:18,974 --> 00:31:22,180 I had my Dictaphone in my handbag. 485 00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:29,043 My hope was I am going to hopefully capture his confessions, 486 00:31:29,043 --> 00:31:30,870 his ideas about children. 487 00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:34,249 Perhaps this could be the evidence that I need 488 00:31:35,318 --> 00:31:38,663 in order to put forward to the authorities. 489 00:31:40,249 --> 00:31:44,422 So I arrived in West Palm Beach at the motel that Jared 490 00:31:44,422 --> 00:31:49,456 was staying at, and I turned the Dictaphone ON. 491 00:31:56,836 --> 00:32:00,146 I was very nervous walking to his room. 492 00:32:02,732 --> 00:32:05,043 I didn't want to get caught with a recorder. 493 00:32:05,043 --> 00:32:07,836 I wanted to appear to be as calm as possible. 494 00:32:22,456 --> 00:32:26,318 And so I entered the room and he welcomed me. 495 00:32:26,318 --> 00:32:27,767 He's... "Oh, thank you for coming. 496 00:32:27,767 --> 00:32:29,043 It's really great to see you." 497 00:32:32,594 --> 00:32:35,974 And I sat on the edge of the bed because he had his luggage 498 00:32:35,974 --> 00:32:37,801 on the only chair that was in the room. 499 00:32:38,801 --> 00:32:40,939 And he sat down on the bed next to me. 500 00:32:45,732 --> 00:32:49,146 And he started to become very hands-on, 501 00:32:51,387 --> 00:32:53,870 just as though he had a right. 502 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,905 I very calmly, just kind of pulled away. 503 00:32:59,905 --> 00:33:02,180 I did not want to get physical with Jared. 504 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:10,077 I was thinking of every which way to let him know it wasn't okay. 505 00:33:10,077 --> 00:33:15,560 Then he leans over to me and he tells me how hot 506 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,663 it would be if I put my hair in pigtails. 507 00:33:18,663 --> 00:33:20,043 And would I do that for him? 508 00:33:23,732 --> 00:33:25,801 [producer] How did you interpret that? 509 00:33:25,801 --> 00:33:27,732 Looking like a child, a little girl. 510 00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:31,180 With the comment that he had made at the school, 511 00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:37,146 and now the comment about me putting my hair in pigtails for him... 512 00:33:37,146 --> 00:33:41,698 No doubt in my mind that Jared was in fact a pedophile. 513 00:33:42,525 --> 00:33:44,215 It made my skin crawl. 514 00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:51,422 I was shaking and I was trying not to allow my sickening feeling 515 00:33:51,422 --> 00:33:53,594 inside to be expressed on my face. 516 00:33:54,698 --> 00:33:56,836 I had to get out. 517 00:33:56,836 --> 00:34:00,215 As soon as he went into the restroom and closed the door, 518 00:34:00,215 --> 00:34:05,077 I grabbed my bag, walked to my car as quickly as possible, 519 00:34:05,077 --> 00:34:08,146 hoping to get in my vehicle before he even noticed I was gone. 520 00:34:12,594 --> 00:34:14,870 As soon as I'm pulling out of the parking lot... 521 00:34:17,111 --> 00:34:20,905 Jared calls me on the phone and asked me, "Where did you go?" 522 00:34:20,905 --> 00:34:22,663 And I told him, "I'm so sorry. 523 00:34:22,663 --> 00:34:25,043 I just received a phone call from my kids. 524 00:34:25,043 --> 00:34:26,836 I have to get back right away. 525 00:34:26,836 --> 00:34:29,525 We'll have to see each other again soon." 526 00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:34,525 As I drove up the coast, I was sobbing, I was crying, I was shaking. 527 00:34:35,353 --> 00:34:38,629 It didn't go as I had planned. 528 00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:43,732 The Dictaphone didn't pick up as clear of a conversation as I had hoped. 529 00:34:48,284 --> 00:34:49,422 I was frightened. 530 00:34:49,422 --> 00:34:52,491 I was confused. 531 00:34:56,870 --> 00:34:58,663 Do I continue on? 532 00:35:00,353 --> 00:35:04,043 The driving force for me was moral obligation. 533 00:35:05,732 --> 00:35:09,249 What he's portraying to the audience, to the children, 534 00:35:09,249 --> 00:35:11,663 to his peers, to his handlers, 535 00:35:12,767 --> 00:35:13,905 that's not him. 536 00:35:13,905 --> 00:35:15,387 He's hiding behind a mask. 537 00:35:17,111 --> 00:35:20,043 And I realized I could enjoy lots of great-tasting food without lots of fat. 538 00:35:21,353 --> 00:35:25,663 [Rochelle] Any time I would see children, I wondered, 539 00:35:25,663 --> 00:35:27,767 "Did they cross paths with Jared?" 540 00:35:27,767 --> 00:35:29,732 "Could they possibly be a victim?" 541 00:35:35,422 --> 00:35:38,905 That catapulted me on my mission to find out 542 00:35:38,905 --> 00:35:40,905 more about what Jared was up to. 543 00:35:43,905 --> 00:35:45,767 [Max] In the mid-2000s, 544 00:35:45,767 --> 00:35:49,560 you cannot turn on your TV without seeing Jared Fogle. 545 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,698 Jared here with some hard-hitting little leaguers. 546 00:35:51,698 --> 00:35:53,180 [all] Hi! 547 00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:55,284 You know, there are over 12 million overweight kids in this country. 548 00:35:55,284 --> 00:35:56,387 But exercise and... 549 00:35:56,387 --> 00:35:58,180 - Eating right can help. - [Jared] Which is why... 550 00:35:58,180 --> 00:35:59,698 [Pam] He made so many commercials. 551 00:35:59,698 --> 00:36:03,491 And it was just really neat seeing how all the different 552 00:36:03,491 --> 00:36:06,560 celebrities and everything that he is making commercials with. 553 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,180 - Less fat. - More meat. 554 00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:10,284 Less fat. 555 00:36:10,284 --> 00:36:11,698 Jared... 556 00:36:12,698 --> 00:36:13,939 More meat. 557 00:36:13,939 --> 00:36:15,215 More meat! 558 00:36:15,215 --> 00:36:16,318 [Jared laughing] 559 00:36:16,318 --> 00:36:17,525 - Subway. - Eat fresh! 560 00:36:18,767 --> 00:36:20,939 [Max] Jared became a household name, 561 00:36:20,939 --> 00:36:26,249 which led to roles in TV shows and movies. 562 00:36:26,249 --> 00:36:30,008 He became an icon in American pop culture. 563 00:36:36,732 --> 00:36:40,801 [Rochelle] Jared's schedule with Subway was jam-packed. 564 00:36:40,801 --> 00:36:42,767 New York, L.A., Denver, 565 00:36:42,767 --> 00:36:44,939 I can be... Even in Australia and New Zealand 566 00:36:44,939 --> 00:36:46,180 now people know who I am. 567 00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:47,491 Jared Fogle. 568 00:36:47,491 --> 00:36:48,939 [audience cheering and applauding] 569 00:36:48,939 --> 00:36:51,801 [Rochelle] Which was very helpful for me because the busier he was, 570 00:36:51,801 --> 00:36:54,836 the less he would be trying to meet me in person. 571 00:36:54,836 --> 00:36:57,663 So it made the most sense for us to have 572 00:36:57,663 --> 00:37:00,663 a long-distance phone relationship. 573 00:37:00,663 --> 00:37:02,870 [Thomas] My mum would always have some kind of recording 574 00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:06,905 device on her that would allow her to record whatever was going on. 575 00:37:06,905 --> 00:37:08,939 Like, something could just happen and she wanted to be ready. 576 00:37:10,698 --> 00:37:14,043 [Rochelle speaking] 577 00:37:14,767 --> 00:37:16,146 [Jared speaking] 578 00:37:17,836 --> 00:37:22,180 [Rochelle] I was there to gain his trust and to get information. 579 00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:29,146 And eventually, he would tell me his deepest and darkest secrets. 580 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:49,905 [Rochelle] Jared was lonely during his travels. 581 00:37:49,905 --> 00:37:53,939 I think that I was an escape from his public persona, 582 00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:57,111 and Jared felt he could be himself around me. 583 00:37:57,939 --> 00:37:59,180 That's what he needed. 584 00:38:00,836 --> 00:38:02,801 [Jared speaking] 585 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,008 [Rochelle speaking] 586 00:38:08,008 --> 00:38:09,180 [Jared speaking] 587 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:11,387 [Rochelle laughs] 588 00:38:11,387 --> 00:38:16,043 I had to play a role with Jared that I was interested 589 00:38:16,043 --> 00:38:20,077 in him personally, romantically. 590 00:38:20,077 --> 00:38:23,111 This was, in essence, a honey trap. 591 00:38:23,111 --> 00:38:25,905 I was going to use his flirting with me, 592 00:38:25,905 --> 00:38:28,663 interest in me to my advantage... Absolutely. 593 00:38:28,663 --> 00:38:29,836 Why would I not? 594 00:38:29,836 --> 00:38:31,077 That was my leverage. 595 00:38:32,043 --> 00:38:33,491 [Rochelle speaking] 596 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,284 [Jared speaking] 597 00:38:46,767 --> 00:38:48,870 [cell phone ringing] 598 00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:54,146 [Rochelle] The next step was to bring him to a point of comfort 599 00:38:54,146 --> 00:38:58,111 where he would share his innermost desires when it came to children. 600 00:38:59,387 --> 00:39:00,767 [Rochelle speaking] 601 00:39:00,767 --> 00:39:03,111 [Jared on phone] I am back to my hotel. 602 00:39:03,111 --> 00:39:04,629 [Rochelle on phone] You are. 603 00:39:04,629 --> 00:39:08,353 [Rochelle] As time went on, he was opening up more and more to me. 604 00:39:09,353 --> 00:39:12,180 [Rochelle speaking] 605 00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:23,284 [Jared speaking] 606 00:39:24,111 --> 00:39:25,249 [Rochelle speaking] 607 00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:33,353 [phone ringing] 608 00:39:34,594 --> 00:39:35,905 [beeps] 609 00:39:35,905 --> 00:39:38,939 [Rochelle] Jared called me incessantly. 610 00:39:38,939 --> 00:39:43,456 I mean, there's times that he called me 15, 20 times a day. 611 00:39:43,456 --> 00:39:49,008 I did my best not to take any calls from Jared while my children were present. 612 00:39:49,008 --> 00:39:51,629 Unfortunately, sometimes they were there, 613 00:39:51,629 --> 00:39:54,456 but I would make certain they were out of earshot. 614 00:39:56,905 --> 00:39:58,663 [Thomas] When these calls would happen, 615 00:39:58,663 --> 00:40:01,077 my mom would sometimes disappear into her bedroom. 616 00:40:01,077 --> 00:40:04,180 She would be very, like, secretive and quiet about it. 617 00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:07,215 She wouldn't want me and my sister to know. 618 00:40:07,215 --> 00:40:08,698 Clearly, it felt like something was going on 619 00:40:08,698 --> 00:40:10,767 and something was wrong. 620 00:40:19,387 --> 00:40:21,698 [Rochelle] It was mid-late 2007 621 00:40:21,698 --> 00:40:23,870 when I received a phone call from Jared. 622 00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:26,663 He just started to open up. 623 00:40:30,008 --> 00:40:35,043 He was very much wanting to go to fetish clubs. 624 00:40:36,387 --> 00:40:38,318 [Jared speaking] 625 00:40:40,215 --> 00:40:41,387 [Rochelle speaking] 626 00:40:41,387 --> 00:40:42,525 [Jared speaking] 627 00:40:44,008 --> 00:40:46,318 [Rochelle] I asked him pointed questions. 628 00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:50,111 I wanted to find out his true desires. 629 00:40:50,767 --> 00:40:51,939 [Rochelle speaking] 630 00:40:51,939 --> 00:40:53,560 [Jared speaking] 631 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,456 [Rochelle speaking] 632 00:40:57,767 --> 00:41:00,663 Suddenly, he drops a bombshell on me. 633 00:41:01,249 --> 00:41:03,008 [Jared speaking] 634 00:41:03,008 --> 00:41:04,215 [Rochelle speaking] 635 00:41:08,456 --> 00:41:09,939 [Jared speaking] 636 00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:14,422 [Rochelle speaking] 637 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:17,491 [Jared speaking] 638 00:41:17,491 --> 00:41:19,767 [Rochelle speaking] 639 00:41:19,767 --> 00:41:22,043 [Jared speaking] 640 00:41:26,836 --> 00:41:29,008 It's haunting. 641 00:41:29,008 --> 00:41:35,043 When I heard Jared specifically state getting a child nine or ten years old, 642 00:41:37,043 --> 00:41:39,422 I was terrified. 643 00:41:39,422 --> 00:41:43,008 I did not doubt for a minute if given the opportunity, 644 00:41:43,008 --> 00:41:45,732 he would not hesitate to take that child. 645 00:41:50,318 --> 00:41:56,249 At that point, I knew this was beyond anything that I could 646 00:41:56,249 --> 00:41:58,905 or even should continue on my own. 647 00:42:00,698 --> 00:42:02,836 I was going straight to the FBI. 648 00:42:04,629 --> 00:42:07,974 I just had no idea... 649 00:42:07,974 --> 00:42:13,043 that I would be putting myself or even my children in great jeopardy.