1 00:00:13,974 --> 00:00:15,249 My name is Tim Evans. 2 00:00:15,249 --> 00:00:17,491 I'm an investigative reporter and editor 3 00:00:17,491 --> 00:00:19,801 at the Indianapolis Star newspaper. 4 00:00:19,801 --> 00:00:23,318 And much of my work focuses on child abuse and sexual abuse. 5 00:00:26,491 --> 00:00:28,215 As a journalist, as a storyteller. 6 00:00:28,215 --> 00:00:31,284 The Jared Fogle story is intriguing. 7 00:00:31,284 --> 00:00:32,905 I worked on this investigation 8 00:00:32,905 --> 00:00:36,974 and published several stories about Jared Fogel's activities. 9 00:00:36,974 --> 00:00:38,318 And I thought I was a star. 10 00:00:38,318 --> 00:00:39,663 I was like, "Oh, I made it now." 11 00:00:40,870 --> 00:00:43,870 But then my brother Jared has to trump me. 12 00:00:43,870 --> 00:00:46,698 And he did one and he gets his up there. 13 00:00:49,525 --> 00:00:52,284 The public regarded Jared as a celebrity. 14 00:00:52,284 --> 00:00:54,077 He would go places, you know, schools. 15 00:00:55,215 --> 00:00:56,836 Kids would be cheering, 16 00:00:56,836 --> 00:00:59,491 lining up for autographs to shake his hand. 17 00:00:59,491 --> 00:01:01,491 So one thing I've learned, 18 00:01:01,491 --> 00:01:03,284 you could never outdo Jared. 19 00:01:03,284 --> 00:01:05,663 But Jared Fogle, he used his power, 20 00:01:05,663 --> 00:01:07,905 his popularity to ingratiate himself 21 00:01:07,905 --> 00:01:09,180 with the people he abused. 22 00:01:10,284 --> 00:01:12,353 I'm trying to raise a lot of money for... 23 00:01:12,353 --> 00:01:14,043 For the urban initiative, for Little League. 24 00:01:14,043 --> 00:01:17,008 And always excited to be back here in sunny Los Angeles. 25 00:01:20,629 --> 00:01:22,732 He came across as a very inspirational person. 26 00:01:25,043 --> 00:01:29,008 A guy who lost a bunch of weight eating sandwiches. 27 00:01:29,008 --> 00:01:31,560 Then from that and he was able to capitalize 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,180 and make a career and make a small fortune. 29 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:38,111 Subway's business was completely transformed. 30 00:01:38,111 --> 00:01:40,629 They ended up making $8 billion or something ridiculous. 31 00:01:40,629 --> 00:01:42,698 You made yourself a millionaire. 32 00:01:42,698 --> 00:01:44,801 I think we see time and time again 33 00:01:44,801 --> 00:01:47,629 that fame and celebrity, access to money 34 00:01:47,629 --> 00:01:49,215 can be a destructive mix. 35 00:01:50,732 --> 00:01:53,284 Jared Fogle used his popularity, 36 00:01:53,284 --> 00:01:56,111 set up the Jared Foundation. 37 00:01:56,111 --> 00:02:01,111 The Jared Foundation provided education and events for schools 38 00:02:01,111 --> 00:02:04,353 to talk about healthy eating, exercise. 39 00:02:04,353 --> 00:02:06,491 Okay, I'm here at Soldier Creek Elementary 40 00:02:06,491 --> 00:02:09,560 with none other than Jared, The Subway Guy. 41 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,663 I'm trying to get the word into as many kids as possible 42 00:02:11,663 --> 00:02:13,801 just about the importance of making healthy choices. 43 00:02:13,801 --> 00:02:16,905 The person running that foundation was Russell Taylor. 44 00:02:19,422 --> 00:02:22,629 If you wanted to have someone around your charitable foundation 45 00:02:22,629 --> 00:02:24,663 who was trustworthy and not a risk... 46 00:02:26,318 --> 00:02:27,801 the last thing in the world you would want 47 00:02:27,801 --> 00:02:29,318 was Russell Taylor involved in it. 48 00:02:30,801 --> 00:02:33,698 Russell Taylor was a personal train wreck waiting to happen. 49 00:02:39,698 --> 00:02:41,629 Jared Fogle had met Russell Taylor 50 00:02:41,629 --> 00:02:43,215 at one of these community events 51 00:02:43,215 --> 00:02:45,836 where Fogle was the primary speaker. 52 00:02:49,284 --> 00:02:53,732 Russell Taylor is working for the American Heart Association. 53 00:02:53,732 --> 00:02:56,836 Taylor offered to write a speech for him, that went well. 54 00:02:58,387 --> 00:03:00,491 And from there, it wasn't long 55 00:03:00,491 --> 00:03:03,008 until Fogle offered him a job leading his foundation. 56 00:03:05,801 --> 00:03:07,525 I think Taylor was kind of a hustler. 57 00:03:07,525 --> 00:03:09,732 He was smooth, more of a player, 58 00:03:09,732 --> 00:03:12,353 and had some game that Fogle didn't have. 59 00:03:17,043 --> 00:03:19,249 They were close. They traveled together often. 60 00:03:20,422 --> 00:03:24,043 They had kind of a double life on the road, 61 00:03:24,043 --> 00:03:26,249 promoting a good lifestyle for young people. 62 00:03:27,905 --> 00:03:29,422 And then at night, 63 00:03:29,422 --> 00:03:32,318 they both kind of fed into each other's addictions and problems. 64 00:03:37,629 --> 00:03:39,284 Jared Fogle finds Russell Taylor. 65 00:03:39,284 --> 00:03:42,146 They became a toxic combination with each other. 66 00:03:42,146 --> 00:03:45,353 And that's why everything that follows comes into place. 67 00:03:56,077 --> 00:03:58,077 Russell Taylor came into our life 68 00:03:58,077 --> 00:04:01,284 when he was dating our mother, Angela Taylor. 69 00:04:03,146 --> 00:04:05,767 Our mom met Russell on Facebook 70 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:08,422 and they were speaking via Facebook for a while, 71 00:04:08,422 --> 00:04:11,422 and then we took a trip to Chicago, 72 00:04:11,422 --> 00:04:13,525 and that's where we first met Russell. 73 00:04:15,491 --> 00:04:18,698 I was about ten, and Christian would have been about 13. 74 00:04:21,043 --> 00:04:23,249 I just remember he was very tan 75 00:04:23,249 --> 00:04:25,801 and he had dark hair. 76 00:04:25,801 --> 00:04:28,215 He seemed nice. 77 00:04:28,215 --> 00:04:30,698 He was very flashy. 78 00:04:30,698 --> 00:04:34,249 Very charismatic. Very, um... 79 00:04:34,249 --> 00:04:35,318 Very charming. 80 00:04:35,318 --> 00:04:36,491 Very. 81 00:04:40,905 --> 00:04:43,353 After our mom met Russell, 82 00:04:43,353 --> 00:04:46,698 I think a lot of good things started to happen. 83 00:04:49,043 --> 00:04:52,560 When we moved to Salem's Creek, I was excited. 84 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,249 The house was a lot bigger. 85 00:04:54,249 --> 00:04:58,560 It felt very upper class to me at least, you know. 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,663 Coming from lower-middle, it was very fancy. 87 00:05:04,629 --> 00:05:06,284 And all the other houses we lived in, 88 00:05:06,284 --> 00:05:08,249 Christian and I had to share a room. 89 00:05:08,249 --> 00:05:10,594 I finally got to have my own space. 90 00:05:10,594 --> 00:05:11,732 It was awesome. 91 00:05:17,008 --> 00:05:20,939 Russell's passion was definitely film. 92 00:05:20,939 --> 00:05:24,353 Our whole basement was actually themed as a movie theater, 93 00:05:24,353 --> 00:05:29,629 and he had pictures of classic films everywhere, 94 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:33,318 and he loved making his own movies. 95 00:05:33,318 --> 00:05:36,525 Russell actually had his own little production company 96 00:05:36,525 --> 00:05:38,732 he called Blue Out House Studios. 97 00:05:38,732 --> 00:05:40,663 Had his own logo and everything. 98 00:05:45,698 --> 00:05:47,594 - It was a little weird, though. - It was. 99 00:05:47,594 --> 00:05:52,836 You know, because he made a specific video of me playing softball. 100 00:05:56,146 --> 00:05:58,111 It's just of all these different angles of me, 101 00:05:58,111 --> 00:05:59,698 like, playing softball, you know, 102 00:05:59,698 --> 00:06:00,801 like some of my teammates 103 00:06:00,801 --> 00:06:02,318 and my coaches and stuff, you know? 104 00:06:04,353 --> 00:06:07,663 I mean, nobody else's parents ever did something like that. 105 00:06:07,663 --> 00:06:09,043 So I think to me, 106 00:06:09,043 --> 00:06:11,146 it felt a little weird because it was just like-- 107 00:06:11,146 --> 00:06:13,836 - I felt eccentric. - It felt extra. 108 00:06:13,836 --> 00:06:15,974 It did. 109 00:06:15,974 --> 00:06:19,353 I guess like producing films is like his thing. 110 00:06:19,353 --> 00:06:20,767 - So maybe that's just-- - It's his hobby. 111 00:06:20,767 --> 00:06:24,043 ...his way of like, yeah, of just being supportive. 112 00:06:32,836 --> 00:06:35,560 My mom's parenting changed when she met Russell... 113 00:06:36,732 --> 00:06:39,629 from being this strict Christian woman 114 00:06:39,629 --> 00:06:42,629 going to church every Sunday 115 00:06:42,629 --> 00:06:48,456 to this partying, carefree person I had never met before. 116 00:06:50,767 --> 00:06:52,767 It was almost awesome in a way, 117 00:06:52,767 --> 00:06:57,594 because I felt, wow, like our mom's our friend. 118 00:06:57,594 --> 00:07:02,974 She encouraged us to drink alcohol, smoke weed, 119 00:07:02,974 --> 00:07:06,215 allowed us to have parties at their house. 120 00:07:06,215 --> 00:07:09,905 I'm talking like multiple bottles of hard liquor. 121 00:07:10,974 --> 00:07:14,732 I'm 15. She's what, 12, 13? 122 00:07:14,732 --> 00:07:18,594 When you're a teenager, you want to have a good time. 123 00:07:18,594 --> 00:07:21,146 You want to feel like an adult. 124 00:07:22,732 --> 00:07:26,663 It seemed great on paper... 125 00:07:27,594 --> 00:07:29,111 But in all reality... 126 00:07:31,629 --> 00:07:33,215 It was the complete opposite. 127 00:07:44,905 --> 00:07:48,043 I was at a crossroads. 128 00:07:48,043 --> 00:07:50,939 I had evidence of Jared saying 129 00:07:50,939 --> 00:07:54,422 what he wanted to do sexually to children. 130 00:07:59,594 --> 00:08:04,801 It was too much for me to deal with on my own. 131 00:08:04,801 --> 00:08:06,456 I was going straight to the FBI. 132 00:08:12,974 --> 00:08:17,215 Upon arriving at the FBI office in Sarasota, Florida, 133 00:08:17,215 --> 00:08:19,629 I was introduced to Agent Billings. 134 00:08:21,594 --> 00:08:23,491 And I shared all the details. 135 00:08:24,663 --> 00:08:26,525 And the recordings. 136 00:08:43,732 --> 00:08:45,387 After only about a minute, 137 00:08:45,387 --> 00:08:47,698 she said, "Is this who I think this is?" 138 00:08:48,905 --> 00:08:50,629 She gathered some of the materials, 139 00:08:50,629 --> 00:08:51,905 walked out of the room... 140 00:08:52,939 --> 00:08:55,629 and then three agents came back in. 141 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:07,284 They were not only shocked, 142 00:09:07,284 --> 00:09:11,146 they couldn't believe someone of his stature would say these things. 143 00:09:12,249 --> 00:09:14,387 They agreed he needed to be investigated. 144 00:09:15,491 --> 00:09:16,629 But there was a problem. 145 00:09:18,629 --> 00:09:21,836 What I did could, in fact, be seen as a crime. 146 00:09:23,318 --> 00:09:25,560 Legally, you are supposed to get 147 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:28,560 prior consent from someone before recording them. 148 00:09:30,525 --> 00:09:32,560 The tapes would not hold up in court. 149 00:09:36,525 --> 00:09:39,008 It was their belief 150 00:09:39,008 --> 00:09:41,077 that I had broken the law. 151 00:09:43,629 --> 00:09:45,732 I could face possible felony charges. 152 00:09:55,525 --> 00:09:59,525 The only thing that would save me was to work with them. 153 00:09:59,525 --> 00:10:03,939 They wanted me to continue doing exactly what I was doing. 154 00:10:03,939 --> 00:10:06,284 Talking with Jared and recording him. 155 00:10:08,732 --> 00:10:12,732 The only difference was that for legality purposes, 156 00:10:12,732 --> 00:10:18,077 I was shown what to say in the start and end of all the recordings. 157 00:10:18,077 --> 00:10:20,008 Everything had a protocol. 158 00:10:22,043 --> 00:10:24,077 They gave me no choice. 159 00:10:24,077 --> 00:10:26,939 I had to become an undercover asset for the FBI. 160 00:10:46,491 --> 00:10:48,077 Why do you think the FBI needed you? 161 00:10:49,318 --> 00:10:50,801 The FBI needed me 162 00:10:50,801 --> 00:10:52,077 because I was already in. 163 00:10:53,215 --> 00:10:55,318 They said, "You are already talking to him. 164 00:10:55,318 --> 00:10:57,318 You were able to get this evidence. 165 00:10:57,318 --> 00:10:59,663 We want you to continue doing what you're doing." 166 00:11:03,284 --> 00:11:09,249 It was very scary because it made what I discovered real. 167 00:11:12,146 --> 00:11:16,387 I think undercover work is probably one of the most important investigative tools 168 00:11:16,387 --> 00:11:17,939 that law enforcement has. 169 00:11:19,353 --> 00:11:23,146 I'm Bob Hamer. I spent 26 years in the FBI. 170 00:11:23,146 --> 00:11:26,353 Many of those years were in an undercover capacity. 171 00:11:26,353 --> 00:11:28,249 Investigating sex crimes. 172 00:11:28,249 --> 00:11:30,318 When you're undercover, you are right there, 173 00:11:30,318 --> 00:11:33,939 one-on-one with the target of your investigation. 174 00:11:33,939 --> 00:11:36,525 You have them making criminal admissions. 175 00:11:36,525 --> 00:11:41,043 And that's much more valuable than circumstantial evidence. 176 00:11:41,043 --> 00:11:44,318 The calls, they became more and more revealing, 177 00:11:44,318 --> 00:11:49,422 Jared eventually started sharing with me in great detail 178 00:11:49,422 --> 00:11:51,180 what he would do with children. 179 00:12:09,043 --> 00:12:12,560 When Jared boasted about having sex with minors, 180 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:15,801 it was beyond disturbing. 181 00:12:16,491 --> 00:12:18,491 Monster is too kind of a word. 182 00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:21,663 When Jared would say these things, 183 00:12:21,663 --> 00:12:24,008 how do you know that this wasn't fantasy? 184 00:12:24,008 --> 00:12:27,353 What Jared did was not fantasy. 185 00:12:27,353 --> 00:12:29,767 What he said, what he confessed to, 186 00:12:29,767 --> 00:12:32,215 what he shared, what he wanted to do. 187 00:12:34,180 --> 00:12:35,939 That was real. 188 00:12:35,939 --> 00:12:41,422 Having that desire, that attraction to children is not a crime per se. 189 00:12:41,422 --> 00:12:46,387 It becomes a crime when you act out upon that attraction. 190 00:12:46,387 --> 00:12:52,249 The FBI wanted evidence of names, 191 00:12:52,249 --> 00:12:53,836 places, 192 00:12:53,836 --> 00:12:55,801 where he was going. 193 00:12:55,801 --> 00:12:57,870 But specifically, 194 00:12:57,870 --> 00:12:59,767 they wanted to find the victims. 195 00:13:10,939 --> 00:13:14,111 I had to play a role. 196 00:13:14,111 --> 00:13:16,732 I pretended to be someone who I was not, 197 00:13:18,077 --> 00:13:18,939 who I hated. 198 00:13:20,353 --> 00:13:22,767 So that he would open up to me 199 00:13:22,767 --> 00:13:26,077 and I could get on tape what I needed for the FBI. 200 00:13:54,491 --> 00:13:56,801 When I would acquire information 201 00:13:56,801 --> 00:13:58,836 through conversations with Jared, 202 00:13:58,836 --> 00:14:02,111 I had to meet with the agents and make the drop. 203 00:14:07,905 --> 00:14:10,974 We met in an abandoned parking lot. 204 00:14:10,974 --> 00:14:12,732 In the middle of the night. 205 00:14:12,732 --> 00:14:14,215 And it was very eerie. 206 00:14:16,836 --> 00:14:19,491 I look across the parking lot in front of me 207 00:14:19,491 --> 00:14:23,732 and on the other side, these headlights, slowly blinking. 208 00:14:35,663 --> 00:14:37,111 You do a handoff. 209 00:14:44,318 --> 00:14:45,491 And then they're gone. 210 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:49,905 And then you're alone. 211 00:14:54,767 --> 00:14:57,974 The reason for the covert nature of these exchanges 212 00:14:57,974 --> 00:15:00,180 is to protect the witness. 213 00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:04,422 You don't want the witness being seen with a law enforcement agent. 214 00:15:04,422 --> 00:15:08,146 In my undercover capacity, I would meet with my case agent 215 00:15:08,146 --> 00:15:11,560 in the back of buildings, in parking lots, in grocery stores 216 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,663 to make sure that I wasn't being followed, 217 00:15:13,663 --> 00:15:15,318 that he wasn't being followed 218 00:15:15,318 --> 00:15:17,905 and that there was no one that could observe the two of us meeting. 219 00:15:22,387 --> 00:15:24,939 Should Jared ever find out 220 00:15:24,939 --> 00:15:26,974 that I was recording him, 221 00:15:26,974 --> 00:15:31,594 and capturing incriminating evidence against him, 222 00:15:31,594 --> 00:15:33,974 what would he do to protect himself? 223 00:15:33,974 --> 00:15:35,594 What lengths would he go? 224 00:15:37,180 --> 00:15:38,870 I was in deep. 225 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:40,043 I was scared. 226 00:15:41,318 --> 00:15:42,318 I was frightened. 227 00:15:53,525 --> 00:15:56,663 We knew Russell worked for somebody to do with Subway 228 00:15:56,663 --> 00:15:57,939 because it was Subway everything. 229 00:15:57,939 --> 00:16:00,698 It was Subway bags, Subway T-shirts. 230 00:16:00,698 --> 00:16:02,939 I think he even had Subway shoes. 231 00:16:02,939 --> 00:16:05,767 So when we asked, he finally said, 232 00:16:05,767 --> 00:16:07,491 "The guy I work for is Jared Fogle, 233 00:16:07,491 --> 00:16:10,215 you know, the guy who lost all the weight on Subway." 234 00:16:10,215 --> 00:16:12,525 And to us, that was really cool. 235 00:16:13,905 --> 00:16:15,525 It was his life, 236 00:16:15,525 --> 00:16:17,974 whether that was texting Jared 237 00:16:17,974 --> 00:16:21,111 or on the phone with Jared, or emailing Jared. 238 00:16:21,111 --> 00:16:22,698 It was just always about Subway. 239 00:16:24,594 --> 00:16:26,456 He traveled a lot with Jared. 240 00:16:26,456 --> 00:16:27,836 They went to Vegas a few times. 241 00:16:27,836 --> 00:16:29,732 They went to Vegas. They went to Thailand. 242 00:16:32,353 --> 00:16:36,387 Russell having this job impacted our life. 243 00:16:36,387 --> 00:16:38,008 We got to travel more. 244 00:16:38,008 --> 00:16:39,663 We went on vacation. 245 00:16:39,663 --> 00:16:43,215 We got to really have experiences in life. 246 00:16:43,215 --> 00:16:45,560 We didn't really have that growing up. 247 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,525 It was fun, though. I had fun. 248 00:16:53,698 --> 00:16:55,698 The first time I met Jared in person 249 00:16:55,698 --> 00:16:58,629 was when we went to dinner with him. 250 00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:59,767 It was pretty nerve-wracking 251 00:16:59,767 --> 00:17:01,180 because, you know, he's just famous. 252 00:17:01,180 --> 00:17:02,525 You know, a lot of people know him. 253 00:17:02,525 --> 00:17:04,387 He's got a lot of money. 254 00:17:04,387 --> 00:17:06,456 Definitely a VIP. 255 00:17:06,456 --> 00:17:09,387 He seemed very shy and, you know, kind of reserved. 256 00:17:09,387 --> 00:17:14,215 Like, he just had this very careful personality. 257 00:17:15,767 --> 00:17:19,698 No, he talked, but he wasn't very outgoing. 258 00:17:19,698 --> 00:17:22,249 He was more of a listener. More of a watcher. 259 00:17:24,456 --> 00:17:26,525 I would describe Russell and Jared's dynamic 260 00:17:26,525 --> 00:17:28,525 as Jared's the producer, 261 00:17:28,525 --> 00:17:31,077 Russell is the director, making a movie. 262 00:17:31,077 --> 00:17:32,663 Jared was the money. 263 00:17:32,663 --> 00:17:35,249 Russell did the job. 264 00:17:35,249 --> 00:17:38,008 I think when Jared became more involved in our lives, 265 00:17:38,008 --> 00:17:40,180 it was almost like we had more to talk about. 266 00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:43,180 We had more to kind of show off to our friends. 267 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:44,318 We felt cool. 268 00:17:44,318 --> 00:17:46,387 You're like, "Oh, I know all these famous people. 269 00:17:46,387 --> 00:17:50,698 My stepfather knows Jared Fogle and he's like our uncle. 270 00:17:50,698 --> 00:17:52,801 He's like family. He comes to family events. 271 00:17:52,801 --> 00:17:54,043 We go to his house." 272 00:17:54,043 --> 00:17:58,663 It just was very glamorous. Very glamorous. 273 00:18:00,767 --> 00:18:02,387 Without Jared, 274 00:18:02,387 --> 00:18:04,732 Russell wouldn't have that house on Salem Creek. 275 00:18:04,732 --> 00:18:08,767 He wouldn't have the job or the opportunities that he had. 276 00:18:10,249 --> 00:18:13,111 I definitely would say Jared had a hold over all of us. 277 00:18:19,836 --> 00:18:23,249 Jared would call most often late at night. 278 00:18:41,801 --> 00:18:45,353 I would struggle with getting any sleep at all 279 00:18:45,353 --> 00:18:48,560 because as soon as these recordings were made, 280 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,870 I had to make the drop. 281 00:18:53,249 --> 00:18:56,284 It could be as often as once or twice a night. 282 00:18:58,387 --> 00:19:01,318 It was very difficult on my family 283 00:19:01,318 --> 00:19:03,732 because there was just too much going on. 284 00:19:05,629 --> 00:19:09,180 Mommy wasn't there as often as I should have been. 285 00:19:14,629 --> 00:19:16,008 The investigation, 286 00:19:16,008 --> 00:19:17,663 it put a strain on our relationship. 287 00:19:18,732 --> 00:19:20,146 Her heading out all the time. 288 00:19:20,146 --> 00:19:24,594 And when she is home, being secretive and hiding in a room, 289 00:19:24,594 --> 00:19:28,629 all she told me was that she was working with the FBI to catch a bad man. 290 00:19:28,629 --> 00:19:31,663 But I had no idea who the bad man was. 291 00:19:31,663 --> 00:19:34,077 I did try asking her numerous times. 292 00:19:34,077 --> 00:19:36,939 Who I'm supposed to be afraid of? Who's after us? 293 00:19:36,939 --> 00:19:38,043 What did they do? 294 00:19:38,043 --> 00:19:39,560 What are they going to do? 295 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,249 But she never gave me an answer. 296 00:19:42,836 --> 00:19:45,767 You cannot tell the children the full story. 297 00:19:45,767 --> 00:19:48,008 First of all, it was top secret. 298 00:19:48,008 --> 00:19:52,111 And you can't risk compromising an investigation such as that 299 00:19:52,111 --> 00:19:55,767 because you put hundreds of children at risk. 300 00:19:55,767 --> 00:19:57,249 Plus, it's a nightmare. 301 00:19:57,249 --> 00:20:00,008 Children are not equipped to understand something like that. 302 00:20:00,008 --> 00:20:03,663 So you have to piecemeal what you share with them. 303 00:20:06,422 --> 00:20:08,422 I'm not sure if she thought she was protecting me, 304 00:20:08,422 --> 00:20:12,491 but not giving me someone to, you know, be afraid of, 305 00:20:12,491 --> 00:20:16,629 it's just makes me, like, want to be afraid of everyone. 306 00:20:16,629 --> 00:20:18,353 Every stranger is a dangerous person. 307 00:20:20,146 --> 00:20:24,008 I was home alone with my sister, pretty much all the time. 308 00:20:25,077 --> 00:20:27,318 It was just very scary. 309 00:20:29,146 --> 00:20:30,422 Thinking there's someone after you 310 00:20:30,422 --> 00:20:32,008 someone that's targeting you, 311 00:20:32,008 --> 00:20:33,801 that can do a lot to someone's head. 312 00:20:36,077 --> 00:20:39,043 My sister, she became pretty unstable 313 00:20:39,043 --> 00:20:41,077 and she'd have like, outbursts 314 00:20:41,077 --> 00:20:45,387 and just wasn't behaving like her usual self. 315 00:20:46,491 --> 00:20:49,387 She became quite angry, anxious. 316 00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:53,870 If there was someone at the door that we didn't know, 317 00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:55,491 she, like, really freaked out. 318 00:20:57,284 --> 00:21:01,456 She just wasn't as happy and outgoing as she used to be. 319 00:21:08,318 --> 00:21:12,077 Conversations with Jared just got darker and darker. 320 00:21:14,525 --> 00:21:18,008 Just the darkest things that you could even imagine. 321 00:21:22,043 --> 00:21:23,629 There's this one phone call 322 00:21:23,629 --> 00:21:28,249 about his trip to Thailand that still lives with me today. 323 00:21:31,111 --> 00:21:34,905 When I heard what Jared was telling me, 324 00:21:34,905 --> 00:21:36,422 my soul was blackened. 325 00:22:24,146 --> 00:22:27,180 He would frequently see this young boy. 326 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:31,629 I believe he was around 10 or 11 years old. 327 00:22:31,629 --> 00:22:34,387 He was very descriptive. 328 00:22:59,491 --> 00:23:04,146 And Jared wasn't just abusing children in Thailand, 329 00:23:04,146 --> 00:23:06,353 he was doing it here in the United States. 330 00:23:07,387 --> 00:23:09,594 This was his playground. 331 00:23:29,387 --> 00:23:31,663 As soon as we hung up the phone, 332 00:23:31,663 --> 00:23:34,008 I would just start throwing up. 333 00:23:36,008 --> 00:23:37,732 I never want to go through that again. 334 00:23:42,111 --> 00:23:43,318 I just need a minute. 335 00:23:45,284 --> 00:23:46,629 Sorry. 336 00:23:49,974 --> 00:23:52,974 I felt as though I had given 337 00:23:52,974 --> 00:23:57,353 what I thought was rock-solid information 338 00:23:57,353 --> 00:24:02,008 to the FBI numerous times over the course of years. 339 00:24:02,008 --> 00:24:05,043 I couldn't understand what the holdup was. 340 00:24:08,077 --> 00:24:09,284 The reason he wasn't charged, 341 00:24:09,284 --> 00:24:11,939 at that point, was there was no overt act. 342 00:24:11,939 --> 00:24:15,284 When he talked about traveling to have sex with children. 343 00:24:15,284 --> 00:24:17,353 There's no proof that he actually did that. 344 00:24:30,456 --> 00:24:34,801 I had this friend that Russell was very adamant about Jared meeting. 345 00:24:35,974 --> 00:24:37,353 She would have been 15 at the time. 346 00:24:39,456 --> 00:24:42,422 So me and my friend, we went to dinner with Jared. 347 00:24:42,422 --> 00:24:43,491 On the way up there, 348 00:24:43,491 --> 00:24:45,732 of course, Russell was hyping Jared up 349 00:24:45,732 --> 00:24:47,732 and, you know, making it seem like 350 00:24:47,732 --> 00:24:49,870 this was going to be a big deal. 351 00:24:49,870 --> 00:24:52,525 We got there and it was just very casual. 352 00:24:52,525 --> 00:24:55,318 Jared really didn't open up too much. 353 00:24:55,318 --> 00:24:57,732 He was very selective about the things 354 00:24:57,732 --> 00:25:00,663 he would say and the moves he would make. 355 00:25:00,663 --> 00:25:04,284 It wasn't as exciting as Russell had made it out to be. 356 00:25:05,698 --> 00:25:07,387 After that dinner, you know, 357 00:25:07,387 --> 00:25:11,318 I started hearing more about Jared's interest in her. 358 00:25:18,111 --> 00:25:20,525 Jared would send Russell text messages. 359 00:25:20,525 --> 00:25:23,111 You know, he would make comments about her breasts, 360 00:25:23,111 --> 00:25:27,008 about her looks, and having sex with our friend. 361 00:25:28,801 --> 00:25:30,836 You thought it was weird at the time? 362 00:25:30,836 --> 00:25:32,284 I just looked at it as... 363 00:25:34,249 --> 00:25:35,560 they're just perverted. 364 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,008 You know, you have that pervy uncle 365 00:25:37,008 --> 00:25:38,801 like you're like, "Oh, I got a pervy uncle, you know?" 366 00:25:38,801 --> 00:25:40,870 But it was more than that. 367 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,663 I had mentioned Jared's comments to my friend. 368 00:25:45,663 --> 00:25:48,801 She was very taken aback by that. 369 00:25:48,801 --> 00:25:52,836 She got very uncomfortable very quickly 370 00:25:52,836 --> 00:25:55,318 and she kind of questioned me about it. 371 00:25:55,318 --> 00:25:58,663 You know, and was, "Why is he saying these things about me?" 372 00:26:01,422 --> 00:26:04,974 I instantly felt awkward and uncomfortable 373 00:26:04,974 --> 00:26:06,732 because it was like in that moment 374 00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:08,836 that I kind of started to realize 375 00:26:08,836 --> 00:26:11,698 that maybe something isn't right here. 376 00:26:24,525 --> 00:26:27,043 Listening to what Jared had to say 377 00:26:27,043 --> 00:26:29,146 really started to take a toll on me. 378 00:26:30,629 --> 00:26:33,008 I'm feeling very stressed, 379 00:26:33,008 --> 00:26:35,249 more stressed than I've ever been in my life. 380 00:26:36,284 --> 00:26:40,043 Three years playing my part with Jared, 381 00:26:40,043 --> 00:26:44,180 and regardless of how much information I was able to collect, 382 00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:46,387 he wasn't being stopped. 383 00:26:46,387 --> 00:26:49,146 I'm just really trying to reach out to kids in this trip. 384 00:26:49,146 --> 00:26:52,043 And now I essentially travel the world and just share my story. 385 00:26:52,043 --> 00:26:53,698 See that? 386 00:26:53,698 --> 00:26:56,801 He would be a motivational speaker at the schools. 387 00:26:56,801 --> 00:26:58,387 He would go on tour. 388 00:26:58,387 --> 00:27:01,146 Give it up for Jared from Subway. 389 00:27:01,146 --> 00:27:04,387 He would be a special guest at sporting events. 390 00:27:04,387 --> 00:27:06,387 But you know what, Jared? 391 00:27:06,387 --> 00:27:09,284 I'm not a fan of yours. 392 00:27:09,284 --> 00:27:12,180 Jared used his position as a celebrity 393 00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:13,560 to gain the trust of children. 394 00:27:14,629 --> 00:27:17,629 The FBI and I knew who he really was 395 00:27:17,629 --> 00:27:19,663 and what his true desires were. 396 00:27:19,663 --> 00:27:21,836 But the public had no idea. 397 00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:24,491 I feel like I can do anything. 398 00:27:31,284 --> 00:27:34,111 It affected my health tremendously. 399 00:27:37,180 --> 00:27:41,043 It was interfering with my ability to make a living. 400 00:27:43,939 --> 00:27:46,594 And then something happened 401 00:27:46,594 --> 00:27:48,422 that ripped my whole family apart. 402 00:28:03,732 --> 00:28:05,077 I kept a diary. 403 00:28:07,905 --> 00:28:13,043 Within those pages were times I spoke with Jared on the phone 404 00:28:14,284 --> 00:28:16,491 documenting each phone call. 405 00:28:28,043 --> 00:28:30,215 One evening, I arrived home... 406 00:28:31,663 --> 00:28:33,939 there was something that was amiss 407 00:28:33,939 --> 00:28:35,594 and I couldn't put my finger on it. 408 00:28:37,318 --> 00:28:40,077 Someone had been in my office. 409 00:28:41,629 --> 00:28:44,629 There was a disarray of torn papers. 410 00:28:45,318 --> 00:28:47,456 This was one of my journals. 411 00:28:49,801 --> 00:28:53,836 I just started becoming very anxious 412 00:28:53,836 --> 00:28:58,180 because my children were the only ones in the house, besides me. 413 00:29:00,353 --> 00:29:02,008 Come to find out, it was my daughter. 414 00:29:06,318 --> 00:29:08,249 There were things in that diary 415 00:29:08,249 --> 00:29:12,801 that no child should ever read, especially your own child. 416 00:29:15,387 --> 00:29:18,732 She was frightened. She didn't understand. 417 00:29:21,077 --> 00:29:22,215 It changed her. 418 00:29:22,215 --> 00:29:25,663 It changed her way of thinking about me as her mom. 419 00:29:28,008 --> 00:29:30,008 The relationship with my daughter, 420 00:29:30,008 --> 00:29:32,525 because of this investigation, 421 00:29:32,525 --> 00:29:35,353 crumbled almost beyond repair. 422 00:29:37,767 --> 00:29:42,801 She had a lot of anger and she felt as though I abandoned her. 423 00:29:44,525 --> 00:29:46,905 I needed to stop. 424 00:29:49,284 --> 00:29:53,491 I needed to remove myself from this situation 425 00:29:53,491 --> 00:29:55,663 because I needed to protect my children. 426 00:30:02,836 --> 00:30:07,594 So together with the FBI, we came up with an endgame 427 00:30:07,594 --> 00:30:11,732 where we hoped to catch Jared in the act. 428 00:30:11,732 --> 00:30:15,422 We would lure Jared here to Sarasota 429 00:30:15,422 --> 00:30:17,939 for a children's party that I was setting up. 430 00:30:22,318 --> 00:30:26,801 It was, in effect, a fake birthday party for my son. 431 00:30:26,801 --> 00:30:28,111 It was a sting operation. 432 00:30:30,043 --> 00:30:31,180 The purpose of the sting 433 00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:33,870 wasn't really to have a birthday party. 434 00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:36,663 Should he suspect this is an FBI sting, 435 00:30:36,663 --> 00:30:38,215 who knows what he would do to the children? 436 00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:41,905 The purpose was to prove 437 00:30:41,905 --> 00:30:44,525 that he was willing to cross state lines 438 00:30:44,525 --> 00:30:48,387 to engage in sex with a person under 18 years of age. 439 00:30:49,732 --> 00:30:51,905 The travel proves the intent. 440 00:30:55,767 --> 00:30:57,974 But Jared needed to take the bait. 441 00:31:11,008 --> 00:31:13,387 Jared became quite interested. 442 00:31:15,008 --> 00:31:18,939 He wanted me to invite all their friends and their siblings. 443 00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:47,594 Jared was very excited 444 00:31:47,594 --> 00:31:49,663 and was rattling off ideas 445 00:31:49,663 --> 00:31:52,180 on how to prepare the kids. 446 00:31:52,180 --> 00:31:56,974 And he was, at this point, teaching me how to groom children. 447 00:32:29,456 --> 00:32:33,456 Jared had a very specific strategy 448 00:32:33,456 --> 00:32:34,939 when it came to children. 449 00:32:34,939 --> 00:32:40,008 Who to select, who was the most vulnerable. 450 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,870 Jared would ask about my children's friends 451 00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:59,905 and then their siblings, their ages. 452 00:32:59,905 --> 00:33:02,525 Do I catch anyone looking at me? 453 00:33:02,525 --> 00:33:03,870 What do I see? 454 00:33:06,422 --> 00:33:09,456 During a specific phone call, 455 00:33:09,456 --> 00:33:12,732 he said something so shocking, 456 00:33:12,732 --> 00:33:16,905 it just repulsed me to the core. 457 00:33:16,905 --> 00:33:20,043 The content is hard to listen to. 458 00:33:38,836 --> 00:33:41,180 When Jared mentioned my kids... 459 00:33:45,422 --> 00:33:46,594 was... 460 00:33:48,939 --> 00:33:50,732 like a shot to the heart. 461 00:33:54,491 --> 00:33:55,939 They were in his crosshairs. 462 00:33:55,939 --> 00:33:58,836 They were in his mind, in his thoughts. 463 00:34:33,974 --> 00:34:35,077 Repugnant. 464 00:34:36,318 --> 00:34:38,560 He made me feel... 465 00:34:42,491 --> 00:34:44,353 so much hatred towards him. 466 00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:49,387 Well, now, Jared, you are traveling around the country talking to kids. 467 00:34:49,387 --> 00:34:52,801 So we can just get to them and continue to get to them at an early age. 468 00:34:52,801 --> 00:34:54,318 And I speak to children all over the country 469 00:34:54,318 --> 00:34:55,594 and actually all over the world now. 470 00:34:57,008 --> 00:34:58,905 We love you, Jared! 471 00:34:58,905 --> 00:35:00,180 He changed my life. 472 00:35:00,180 --> 00:35:02,318 Jared Fogle. 473 00:35:02,318 --> 00:35:03,836 In my undercover capacity, 474 00:35:03,836 --> 00:35:05,974 I would never involve my family. 475 00:35:05,974 --> 00:35:08,111 In her situation, it was much different 476 00:35:08,111 --> 00:35:09,698 because he had already known 477 00:35:09,698 --> 00:35:10,801 that she had children 478 00:35:10,801 --> 00:35:13,836 before she actually conducted her investigation. 479 00:35:13,836 --> 00:35:18,249 So these were real children, not imaginary children. 480 00:35:18,249 --> 00:35:20,249 So that made it much more difficult. 481 00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:27,491 I just wanted to run and never turn back. 482 00:35:30,353 --> 00:35:32,353 But I had to hold it together. 483 00:35:36,318 --> 00:35:38,456 The sting was supposed to be a way 484 00:35:38,456 --> 00:35:41,353 we would finally be able to get Jared off the streets. 485 00:35:44,905 --> 00:35:46,939 But last minute... 486 00:35:48,284 --> 00:35:49,732 Jared's schedule changed. 487 00:35:50,767 --> 00:35:53,629 So instead of a week out... 488 00:35:53,629 --> 00:35:56,387 he would be there within the next two to three days. 489 00:35:58,974 --> 00:36:01,249 So I contacted the FBI 490 00:36:01,249 --> 00:36:03,939 and they could not ramp up 491 00:36:03,939 --> 00:36:08,732 and be ready in 48 to 72 hours. 492 00:36:08,732 --> 00:36:11,387 I begged him, "Jared, please come on Friday. 493 00:36:11,387 --> 00:36:12,905 That's the only time." 494 00:36:12,905 --> 00:36:16,043 And he just couldn't do it. 495 00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:19,663 The party never came to fruition. 496 00:36:23,284 --> 00:36:26,284 How did that make you feel at that point? 497 00:36:26,284 --> 00:36:28,249 I was very frustrated. 498 00:36:28,249 --> 00:36:31,043 This was that chance. We had it. 499 00:36:31,043 --> 00:36:33,836 It was at our fingertips and... 500 00:36:35,387 --> 00:36:36,491 Then it was gone. 501 00:36:38,491 --> 00:36:40,456 Even as a professional undercover agent, 502 00:36:40,456 --> 00:36:42,663 it's disappointing when it doesn't happen. 503 00:36:43,905 --> 00:36:46,353 She has poured her life into this investigation. 504 00:36:47,284 --> 00:36:49,974 She is emotionally attached 505 00:36:49,974 --> 00:36:51,870 because of her children's involvement. 506 00:36:51,870 --> 00:36:53,939 So when this didn't come through, 507 00:36:53,939 --> 00:36:56,043 it would have been emotionally devastating. 508 00:36:59,043 --> 00:37:02,560 The investigation definitely had an effect on her. 509 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,008 She became more withdrawn. 510 00:37:05,008 --> 00:37:07,663 She slowly became less of a bubbly person. 511 00:37:11,180 --> 00:37:13,456 I was worried about my kids 512 00:37:13,456 --> 00:37:15,594 throughout the entire investigation. 513 00:37:16,836 --> 00:37:20,111 But now I was... 514 00:37:23,284 --> 00:37:24,663 worried beyond measure. 515 00:37:25,870 --> 00:37:27,456 They were in his line of sight. 516 00:37:54,525 --> 00:37:59,318 As time went on, I became terrified by Jared, 517 00:37:59,318 --> 00:38:00,974 by what he was capable of. 518 00:38:04,525 --> 00:38:06,767 So I thought to myself, 519 00:38:06,767 --> 00:38:08,215 "What would Jared do?" 520 00:38:10,318 --> 00:38:13,491 Jared had the money, 521 00:38:13,491 --> 00:38:15,870 the position, 522 00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:20,284 powerful players that supported him. 523 00:38:20,284 --> 00:38:21,836 That frightened me. 524 00:38:21,836 --> 00:38:25,284 If he ever found out what I was doing, 525 00:38:25,284 --> 00:38:26,456 what would he do? 526 00:38:30,698 --> 00:38:33,698 When did you start to notice a change in Rochelle? 527 00:38:35,043 --> 00:38:37,594 I was on the air doing my own show. 528 00:38:38,801 --> 00:38:40,111 Rochelle came in one night 529 00:38:40,111 --> 00:38:41,801 and she had like, an overcoat on. 530 00:38:41,801 --> 00:38:43,043 She had no makeup on. 531 00:38:43,043 --> 00:38:45,629 Her hair was all disheveled, which was totally flustered 532 00:38:45,629 --> 00:38:47,456 and totally out of character for her. 533 00:38:47,456 --> 00:38:48,870 She wasn't bubbly Rochelle. 534 00:38:50,111 --> 00:38:52,008 She said, "I'm gonna tell you something, 535 00:38:52,008 --> 00:38:53,043 but you cannot tell anyone." 536 00:38:54,249 --> 00:38:57,215 And look in her eyes was terror almost. 537 00:38:57,215 --> 00:39:01,387 "Jared from Subway wants to see pictures of my kids naked. 538 00:39:01,387 --> 00:39:02,732 And if I don't, he's going to kill me." 539 00:39:04,318 --> 00:39:07,318 My first thought was, "She's got a screw loose." 540 00:39:08,215 --> 00:39:10,215 And that's when she hit me 541 00:39:10,215 --> 00:39:12,801 with "There's black vans following us." 542 00:39:14,663 --> 00:39:16,284 It's just classic schizophrenia. 543 00:39:16,284 --> 00:39:17,767 "There's vans following me. 544 00:39:17,767 --> 00:39:19,077 They're after me, they're after me." 545 00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:22,836 I thought it was so farfetched, 546 00:39:22,836 --> 00:39:24,318 so out of the ordinary. 547 00:39:24,318 --> 00:39:27,836 I said, either she's [bleep] crazy 548 00:39:27,836 --> 00:39:29,318 or she's telling the truth. 549 00:39:41,043 --> 00:39:43,801 As much as I tried to keep it all together, 550 00:39:43,801 --> 00:39:45,456 I was pulled apart. 551 00:39:47,284 --> 00:39:49,939 The emotional turmoil that it took on me. 552 00:39:49,939 --> 00:39:52,077 I had breakdowns. 553 00:39:58,836 --> 00:40:01,870 I had no one... to talk to. 554 00:40:05,974 --> 00:40:07,422 Sorry. 555 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,870 My life was spiraling out of control... 556 00:40:13,180 --> 00:40:16,801 and he was still out there. 557 00:40:21,353 --> 00:40:22,387 Police dogs-- 558 00:40:22,387 --> 00:40:23,663 I won't forget that day 559 00:40:23,663 --> 00:40:26,146 that Russell got arrested. 560 00:40:26,146 --> 00:40:29,043 That is the day my life turned upside down. 561 00:40:30,974 --> 00:40:34,491 Russell Taylor, the former executive director of the Jared Foundation, 562 00:40:34,491 --> 00:40:39,318 was arrested, accused of possessing and producing child porn. 563 00:40:39,318 --> 00:40:42,732 Russell Taylor is accused of recruiting underage girls 564 00:40:42,732 --> 00:40:45,146 without their knowledge to produce porn. 565 00:40:48,353 --> 00:40:50,560 I was in high school... 566 00:40:52,008 --> 00:40:55,043 and I see on my phone, I had a call from my mom. 567 00:40:55,043 --> 00:40:56,215 That was weird. 568 00:40:56,215 --> 00:40:58,491 I don't usually ever get calls from her during school. 569 00:40:59,387 --> 00:41:02,387 So I called her back. 570 00:41:02,387 --> 00:41:04,870 "Hey, Mom. I hadn't seen your call." 571 00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:06,491 She said, "I can't talk right now." 572 00:41:06,491 --> 00:41:08,008 "Why are you whispering?" 573 00:41:08,008 --> 00:41:10,180 She said, "Russell's been arrested." 574 00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:12,870 "What do you mean, he's been arrested?" 575 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:15,284 She said, "I can't talk about it right now. 576 00:41:15,284 --> 00:41:17,456 Just look it up on the internet." 577 00:41:17,456 --> 00:41:20,043 I just put Russell Taylor, Indianapolis. 578 00:41:21,698 --> 00:41:24,629 And first thing that pops up big 579 00:41:24,629 --> 00:41:29,594 was Russell Taylor, pedophilia, child pornography. 580 00:41:31,767 --> 00:41:34,318 It said, "possession of child pornography." 581 00:41:34,318 --> 00:41:36,732 I didn't really know what that meant. 582 00:41:36,732 --> 00:41:39,008 So I'm thinking, okay, like, 583 00:41:39,008 --> 00:41:44,215 "Did he have like some kind of picture or video or something of, like, 584 00:41:44,215 --> 00:41:46,836 a little kid that maybe he shouldn't have"? 585 00:41:47,939 --> 00:41:49,215 But it was even worse. 586 00:41:51,663 --> 00:41:53,422 A search of Taylor's home in April 587 00:41:53,422 --> 00:41:57,353 revealed more than 500 explicit images of children. 588 00:42:00,698 --> 00:42:02,801 That's when we realized 589 00:42:02,801 --> 00:42:06,560 the people you think are the closest to you 590 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,077 are actually the most dangerous. 591 00:42:09,594 --> 00:42:11,732 Because what we found out was... 592 00:42:14,456 --> 00:42:15,594 pure nightmare.