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- [child 1] Hi, Mr. Camera Guy.
- [videographer] Hi!
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[child 1] That's a tiny little seat.
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[gasps] It's fluffy!
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[♪ gentle music playing]
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This is a small chair.
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[Nicola Marsh] In a couple of seconds,
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- I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions.
- Okay.
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- [Nicola] And there's no wrong answer.
- 'Kay.
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[Nicola] Tell me, if you could do
anything when you're older,
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- what do you wanna do? What's your thing?
- I wanna be a famous singer.
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Well, it's kind of complicated.
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A famous soccer player.
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I wanna be an actor.
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I really love to act,
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but I also really would love
to teach little kids.
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When I grow up,
I would like to be a gamer.
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Uh...
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a model.
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[Nicola] Do you know what being famous is?
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Kinda like being, like, popular at school,
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but, like, times 1,000.
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I think it's, yeah, fun
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and sort of in the middle of good and bad.
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You get a lot of money.
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Yeah, everyone knows you.
Everyone likes you.
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Everyone wants to be your friend.
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You get a bunch of attention.
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And you get to travel the world
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and do stuff in other places.
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Everybody would know you
because you don't wanna be a lone wolf!
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What's bad about it is that
you can get very egotistica--
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egotistical, I think?
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People would try to take photos of you
and post them on Internet.
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Lots of people crowd around you,
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and sometimes it makes you nervous.
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It's, it's kinda hard, if you're famous,
having your own life.
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[Nicola]
Do you like it when people film you?
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How does it feel now?
You're doing it right now.
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I'm a little bit nervous
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and a little bit happy.
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[birds chirping]
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[Nicola] On a scale of one to 10,
how much are you hating me filming you?
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[unzipping bag]
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- [Demi Lovato] Um... I don't mind.
- [quiet rummaging]
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[Nicola] Be honest.
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I think on a scale of one to 10,
it's like an eight.
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- [Nicola] Feels like a nine.
- [laughing]
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[Demi] I think I just
don't like being on camera.
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- [rummaging]
- [Nicola] Why?
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- [pops lipstick]
- I think that...
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like, being on camera
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makes a lot of
my body image issues come up
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and...
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I'm constantly like, when I'm--
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when I'm on camera,
I'm just hyper-aware of that.
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And...
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yeah, it just makes me
a little uncomfortable.
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[♪ gentle music playing]
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When I was a kid,
I was so close with my great-grandparents.
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They were my world.
I just loved them so much.
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They had these two recliner chairs
that they would sit in
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and we would watch TV together.
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I just have this memory of
Shirley Temple appearing on their TV.
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- [♪ Shirley Temple singing]
- And I thought,
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"I'm going to be the next Shirley Temple.
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"I'm gonna be the next child star.
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If she can do it, I can do it."
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♪ ...of the sea,
we'll join in the jamboree ♪
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- ♪ At the Codfish Ball ♪
- [Demi] And I did.
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[kids] Barney!
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- ♪ Mirror, mirror, mirror ♪
- [audio warbling]
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I've dreamed about this for so long!
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[crowd cheering]
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[crowd screaming]
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- Thank you!
- Demi Lovato.
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Some girl screamed and said my name,
and I was like...
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- [overlapping crowd cheering]
- [cacophony]
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[reporter] News about Demi Lovato.
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- [glass shatters]
- [speaker] How could you?
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Sorry. We're gonna need a lot more work.
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- [shutter snaps]
- We're not giving up.
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- [increasing crowd cheering]
- I'm serious.
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[cacophony intensifies]
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- [shutter snaps]
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I didn't realize that it would
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have such a negative impact
on my mental health.
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And, unfortunately,
sometimes that looks explosive,
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like an incident where you punch
your backup dancer on an airplane
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or you overdose from heroin.
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[♪ bright music playing]
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♪
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♪
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[♪ music fades out]
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I really thought I had all the answers
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and I thought I had gone through so much
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that I knew everything.
And now, I look at other people,
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and I'm like, "I know nothing,
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and the only way I'm gonna
get answers is to listen."
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When I'm performing in a show,
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and I see an empty seat, like,
it really fucks with me.
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Even on stage.
Like, I'll see an empty seat,
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and I'm like, "Ugh, I'm not good enough."
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- [speaker] Really?
- You know? Yeah. It's just like,
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it's this belief that was instilled in me
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as a, as a young performer...
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that... I, I...
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looked at my success as my self-worth.
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- [speaker] Mm-hmm.
- You know?
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I had a really hard time
differentiating the two.
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- [speaker] Mm-hmm.
- And I dealt with...
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a lot of need for external validation,
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um, because I was equating
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- my success to my self-worth.
- [speaker] Mm-hmm.
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Um, I was just wondering if you
ever experienced any of that
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and what that would've been
like for you if you did.
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Yeah, I mean, that's wild to hear,
you know what I mean?
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Because you are so, like, beloved.
You know what I mean? Like, you have
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fanatics, you know what I mean?
And, like, those people have those things
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because it's earned, you know what I mean?
You're a giant ball of talent,
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but, like, to see that one
inkling of a thing like that
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can irk a person like that is--
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It's interesting to, like, you know,
discuss because...
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yeah, I mean, I've had those
same kind of experiences where
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there's a chip in the armor,
you know what I mean?
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And it's like,
"Shit, everything's not perfect,"
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or "I'm not perfect enough."
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So, you, you migrate towards those
that are going to give you
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that, you know, validation,
whether that, you know,
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it's good for you or not,
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- you know what I'm saying?
- [Demi] Yeah.
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So, it's not a normal existence to have
somebody in your family be famous,
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you know what I mean? And, like,
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that's just a, a weird thing that,
like, you have to know--
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You don't have to, but it's good to know
what you're signing up for.
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- [♪ gentle music playing]
- [static crackling]
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When I was 11 months old,
I wanted be an actress.
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[audience applauding]
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Can I get you a glass of milk, honey?
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Milk? I'm a Barrymore!
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Get me a drink, and make it a double!
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[laughter, applause]
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♪
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Hi!
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- Hi.
- Hi.
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[both laugh]
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- Thank you so much for doing this.
- We finally get to do this.
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- Yes! We finally get to.
- I think we've been talking about it for,
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- what, a year almost?
- Yeah.
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I feel lucky that I'm a part of it.
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Oh, my God, of course!
How could we not have you a part of this?
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♪
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You were sort of almost born into it,
given that you started at 11 months old.
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[Drew Barrymore] Totally.
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It was a Gaines-Burgers
puppy chow commercial.
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And I've never stopped working since then
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except for when I was
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institutionalized by my mother.
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[quiet street noise]
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My mom was a waitress at the Troubadour
and The Comedy Store,
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- which were coolest of the cool.
- [Demi] Wow.
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[Drew] And then she met my dad
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who was so cool,
he was lethally, deadly cool.
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Toxically cool.
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And I think she knew
she needed to get away from him.
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- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- Um, he was dangerous.
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He was on a lot of drugs.
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And then, she's just this single mom,
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raising a baby in 1975 with no money.
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There was a, a quietness in our apartment.
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A, a loneliness.
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And then when I got to ET,
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it was like a big bustling
environment full of people
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and life and creativity
and theatrics and play.
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What kid doesn't wanna play?
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Look what I made for you, Elliott!
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I wonder why did my mom
think it was a good idea
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for me to go into this?
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Was it 'cause she wanted
to be an actress herself?
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Was it the fact that
my dad and his family,
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the Barrymores, were actors?
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I've suddenly become quite important.
[chuckles]
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[Drew] I was always studying my family
and the old black-and-white movies.
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- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- [Drew] So Shirley Temple was
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- the child star of that era.
- [Demi] Yeah.
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Yeah, I also looked up to Shirley Temple
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as a young child performer
and was just like,
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"I wanna be that someday. I wanna be
the youngest and the best at what I do."
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[singing]
♪ Hey, what did the blue jay say? ♪
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[Leah Plunkett]
Children have been part of the workforce
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for an incredibly long time.
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[narrator] Half a million children
are working as young as 5,
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work 14 hours a day for
as little as three cents an hour.
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[Leah] But in 1938,
the Federal Fair Labor Standards Act
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was the first set of comprehensive
federal legislation
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that had wage, hour,
and workplace condition laws
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for the whole country.
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Child labor is appalling.
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[applause]
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[Leah]
And children received special protections,
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except for child actors.
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The Shirley Temple Act
carved out child entertainers
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from the protections that children got
in most other occupations.
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Congress didn't really seem to think
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that child entertainers
would be as big of a part
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of the nation's workforce
as they went on to be.
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[inaudible]
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- Look at these.
- [Demi] Oh, my God!
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This is me in the pageants.
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- Did you sing?
- Yeah, singing was my, my talent.
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- Aw!
- Oh, my God,
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- I love that picture.
- [Madison De La Garza] You were so cute.
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I remember one time, you made a whole CD
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of, like, eight songs you sang to tracks.
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Yeah.
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[Dianna De La Garza]
And you sold the CDs for $10 each.
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I went around in the neighborhood
and sold my CD so that I could raise money
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- to be in the pageants.
- Pushing mix tapes.
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- [laughter]
- Yeah, mix tapes.
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Hottest Mix Tape of the Year.
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- [laughter]
- But, we did things,
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uh, we bought dresses at Goodwill.
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I wanted to give them
every opportunity I could
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to let them do what I didn't
get to do when I was a kid.
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And some things we couldn't
afford to do at that time,
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but if we could, we did it.
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[Dallas Lovato] Do you remember when
we would drive to auditions to Austin,
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- and we would hold up signs in the back?
- And we'd say, "Honk if--"
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- [laughter]
-"Honk if you're beautiful."
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And it's on the back of a script!
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[all laughing]
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[Dianna] That script is the one where
Dallas threw the milkshake out the window.
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[Dallas] I know!
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She didn't realize the window
in the back seat was open.
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So when she threw the milkshake out,
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- it just went right back in all over us.
- Came right back in, yeah.
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[Dianna] The wind threw it right back--
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[Demi] We were on our way to an audition.
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And we had to wash our hair
at a gas station,
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- like in the sink at a gas station.
- Did you show up with wet hair?
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- I don't remember. I may have dried--
- [Dianne] No!
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I stuck both of them
underneath the hand dryer.
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- And I went like this.
- [laughter]
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Here's the thing, it's the ultimate sin
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to show up at an audition late.
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Or with milkshake in your hair.
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[all laughing]
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Let me tell you, I was panicking.
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[♪ soft music playing]
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[Dr. Yalda Uhls]
It's really hard to be an actor's parent.
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You have to give up your career.
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You have to take them to
auditions all of the time.
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You have to be on set.
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How are you gonna work?
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[Brooks Barnes] A lot of times,
we think that it's the parents
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dragging the kids to Hollywood,
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and they have ideas about how this child
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can support the family, and everyone can
go live on a yacht or something.
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In many cases, it's the kid who sees this
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as a way out.
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[Chris Smith] They are born artists,
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this sense of seeing the world
in a different way.
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The characteristics that
some of the kid actors share
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is that they're quirky.
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I'm not perky.
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[scoffs] That's for damn sure.
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[Christina Ricci] But I wanna be.
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So, how do you find your lanes in life
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to work with your quirkiness?
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I wanna smile. And sing and dance.
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Oh, darling, do you really mean it?
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[Chris Smith] If acting is your thing,
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be the best entertainment
professional you can be.
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Some see this as a way
of catapulting the family
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to stability and becoming happy.
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I was really unhappy
in my home life and at school,
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and I was really bored, and I was getting
into, like, really crazy trouble at 7.
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- Wow, okay.
- [Christina] Mm-hmm.
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And so, as soon as
I started going on auditions
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every day after school with
my mother, all of it stopped.
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- All the trouble, everything.
- Mm-hmm.
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[Christina] But what I really loved
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was getting to go with my mom
on the bus to New York [laughs]
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to the Port Authority.
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And my mother was kept
in a place in my home
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- where she was not present.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
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[Christina] And as soon as she and I
got out of the house,
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she had a personality.
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- [turnstiles rattling]
- [indistinct chatter]
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We became very close,
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and she would teach me about street smarts
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and getting around Manhattan
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and all the stuff to avoid getting killed
at the Port Authority.
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And, um-- 'Cause it was 1987,
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so it was a really unsafe time to be...
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- [Demi] Yeah.
- Thank you.
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...at the Port Authority.
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So, having that one-on-one
attention from my mother
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was something that was really incredible.
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I think I also really loved
having something finally
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- that I knew I was good at.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
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[Christina] And getting all that positive
reinforcement all the time
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- for being good at something.
- [Demi] Yeah.
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- [♪ bright music playing]
- [gagging]
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Bravo!
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Bravo!
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[reporter] What a wonderful job
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- you did in this movie!
- Thank you.
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[Christina] I had a very chaotic home.
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My father was a failed cult leader.
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And so, he had all that
same sort of, like,
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really crazy narcissism,
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uh, that goes along with someone
wanting to run a cult.
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- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- Um,
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and he was very physically violent.
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- There was never any peace in my house.
- [Demi] Right.
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- And you found peace on set.
- [Christina] Yeah!
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I knew nothing totally insane
was about to happen. [laughs]
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- [Demi] Right.
- [Christina] You know?
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Nobody was gonna, like,
get really mad and pretend
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they were gonna drive the car into a wall.
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For me, there was this
refuge of emotional safety.
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He's a nice director, that's for sure.
And, um...
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[♪ soft music playing]
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...he, he needs a lot of sleep. That's--
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Because he has to work late at night.
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[Drew] That film changed my life.
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There was something
very different about E.T.
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because of the way
Steven Spielberg treated me.
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I did not have a father,
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and he was the person
who made me feel like,
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all of a sudden
I wanted to be my best for.
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Gimme your other hand. There we go!
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Ah! That's great for
the small of your back.
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As I was saying. [laughs]
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[Drew] What I loved was that
Steven went out of his way
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to make E.T. real for me.
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- He's really real.
- [set chatter]
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Then why are all those wires?
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Those aren't wires. Those are his feet.
Didn't you know that?
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He was also the first person
I felt embarrassed in front of
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if I behaved badly or was caught drinking.
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There was no authority in my life,
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so I loved any boundary he set to me.
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It didn't hit me until I was an adult,
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"Oh, that's how parents are
supposed to make you feel."
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What is this?
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Cheese ball pick-me-ups,
accompanied by miniature franks,
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and, for dessert, marshmallow kebobs.
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My mother at the time did not know
anything about making movies.
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She just really didn't know.
And Cher took me under her wing,
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and she recognized that
sometimes you could be on a set,
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and you don't know exactly
what is going on behind the scenes,
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power struggles or different issues,
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and if you don't know any better
and have no experience,
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you could think it was your fault.
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- [Demi] Right.
- And she never wanted me to feel insecure.
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She was great.
I spent all my time with her.
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I used to hide from tutor school
in her trailer
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- and eating See's.
- [Demi laughs]
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She was obsessed with
the chocolate See's lollipops.
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- [Demi] Yeah, yeah.
- Yeah, yeah.
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It was the first time I had
ever seen, um, sparkling water also.
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- [laughs]
- I was like,
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"These rich people with
their bubbly water." [laughs]
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She kind of was like--
Was she a mentor to you?
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Yeah, I was really lucky
in that when I first started,
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I had a lot-- I worked with a lot of women
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that were very strong.
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They weren't-- They were,
they were great talents,
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but they were also very strong
and had boundaries
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and had rules about how they were treated,
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and that's one thing
I definitely got from her.
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That's so nice that you had someone,
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- a strong woman to look up to on set.
- [Christina] Yeah.
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And that, that looked after you.
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Um, I think it's--
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And it was my first experience,
and she was really in charge.
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Yeah. Um, I didn't have that experience.
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- I'm sorry.
- It was a man's world for me.
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Nobody around me really knew
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this is what can happen to your kid.
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I think anybody lucky enough,
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or is a lucky person
to get a mentor, for sure.
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- [Demi] Yeah.
- 'Cause it's like,
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you know, it starts
with your parents, yes,
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but kids don't listen to their parents,
you know what I mean?
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Like, kids will listen
to their parents' friend
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saying the exact same thing
that their parents said
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- and actually listen to that person.
- [Demi chuckles]
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- [Demi] Right.
- It's just one of those dynamics in life.
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I had, you know, my theater mentor,
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you know, our drama teacher,
Freddie Hendricks, was a big one.
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You know, a lot of people in the church,
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I would say, like, the church
as a whole growing up.
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And then, you know, as I got older
or, you know, further into the business,
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like, you know,
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Brian Robbins is a big mentor of mine,
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the producer on the show All That.
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- Woo! What's happening, y'all?
- [audience laughter]
401
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Hi, Kenan!
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[Demi] I secretly was bummed
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that I was a Disney kid
because I was like I never got to, like--
404
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- Yeah, I knew it!
- I never got to get slimed!
405
00:20:13,506 --> 00:20:16,509
Yeah, no, I was a huge fan of Nickelodeon,
like, for that reason.
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Double Dare was the craziest thing
I'd ever seen,
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- and I just, I wanted that.
- Yes!
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Disney was like the most wholesome reality
there could ever be created.
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- Right.
- So, Nickelodeon was just like,
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"Yeah, we're punks or whatever.
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We listen to hip-hop, we listen to R&B."
You know what I mean?
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[audience laughs]
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Ha! Hello there.
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Welcome to Good Burger,
home of the Good Burger.
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- Can I take your order?
- Oh, no, no. No food for me now.
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Before Nickelodeon,
before the 1980s really,
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children's entertainment was
definitely geared toward children,
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but there was only the three channels,
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and there's not really
a lot of children per se.
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[♪ gentle music playing]
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Even the cartoons were ostensibly adults.
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Look at me. I'm calm.
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Why shouldn't you be?
Your wife isn't having a baby.
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[Mathew Klickstein]
The broadcast television model
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was as broad as possible,
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and then, all of a sudden,
there was this new way
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of piping television into homes: cable.
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[♪ quirky music playing]
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[inaudible]
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We've got that splintering
of the audience.
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It starts to become compartmentalized
to very specific demographics.
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Well, why not start
a channel aimed at kids?
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Nickelodeon is narrowly cast at children.
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- Alright!
- [Mathew] By the early '80s,
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everybody's got a TV.
Some people have three TVs, four TVs.
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There's a TV in the kids' room.
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It's not just downstairs anymore.
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So Nickelodeon does some of the first-ever
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focus groups for children.
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It's really the first time
where they're sitting down
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with the kids and saying,
"What do you want us to show?"
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The biggest thing that they realize
is that kids wanna see themselves.
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- [Mayim Bialik] Me?
- Great idea, Spongie.
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[Jaimee Foxworth]
I'm really gettin' sick of this.
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[David Kamp] From the '80s onward,
there was a big ideological shift,
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and there were more
and more kids on television.
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- [kids] Three, two, one!
- [clang]
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- [kids cheering]
- [zapping, beeping]
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[announcer]
The Disney Channel is on the air!
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[Mathew] Disney kicks off its own channel.
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Now, there's competition.
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Nickelodeon, they actually were trying
to be very anti-Disney,
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kind of "Damn the Man," irreverent,
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dirty, and disgusting, and slime,
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and, as they would tout,
"What children want."
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[both]
Nickelodeon gives you what you want!
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- [splattering]
- [audience laughter]
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Yo, what's up, everybody?
Kenan Thompson here
459
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on the set of Good Burger, the movie.
460
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- I had the Good Burger orange VHS.
- [Kenan Thompson] The orange tape.
461
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[Demi] And I probably still do in storage.
462
00:22:44,532 --> 00:22:47,202
Yeah, that orange tape is synonymous,
463
00:22:47,202 --> 00:22:49,246
I think, with that era.
Like, everybody says it.
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- Like, "Yo, when I was growing up..."
- [Demi] Yes. The orange tape.
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That was the-- Some people are like,
"That's the only movie we had."
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- Aw.
- [Kenan] It was the orange tape.
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I'm like, "That's--
I'm-I'm glad to bring you joy."
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You do remember that it was my idea
469
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to put the salsa on Good Burgers
in the first place.
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00:23:04,594 --> 00:23:07,097
That first commercial, when they paid me,
it was, like, $800.
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00:23:07,097 --> 00:23:09,683
- [Demi] Yeah.
- And I was, you know, 12,
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- something like that. 11.
- [Demi] Yeah.
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00:23:11,726 --> 00:23:13,562
So, that might as well have been
a million dollars,
474
00:23:13,562 --> 00:23:14,938
you know what I'm saying? Like,
475
00:23:14,938 --> 00:23:17,983
- you know how much candy I was thinking...
- [Demi] Yeah! Of course!
476
00:23:17,983 --> 00:23:20,151
- ...like, $800 is gonna buy me?
- [Demi] Of course.
477
00:23:20,151 --> 00:23:23,154
Yeah, I remember booking Barney,
478
00:23:23,154 --> 00:23:25,865
and seeing the episodic checks
that would come in,
479
00:23:25,865 --> 00:23:27,409
- and you're-- Yeah.
- [Kenan] Crazy.
480
00:23:27,409 --> 00:23:30,453
And it was just like,
I don't even know-- I-- There's not a--
481
00:23:30,453 --> 00:23:32,831
I, I can't even spend this
in one day on toys.
482
00:23:32,831 --> 00:23:36,918
[singing] ♪ This one is a triangle
that has three sides ♪
483
00:23:36,918 --> 00:23:38,336
♪ We draw... ♪
484
00:23:38,336 --> 00:23:41,089
[interviewer] Tell us a little bit about
some of your acting that you've done.
485
00:23:41,089 --> 00:23:44,259
My acting that I've done, um,
has probably been Barney.
486
00:23:44,259 --> 00:23:46,845
That really got me started
and, like, with singing, too,
487
00:23:46,845 --> 00:23:48,972
'cause after that,
I found a voice teacher.
488
00:23:48,972 --> 00:23:52,267
[Demi] My paychecks would
go back into voice lessons
489
00:23:52,267 --> 00:23:54,728
and acting lessons and guitar lessons,
490
00:23:54,728 --> 00:23:57,689
and I was kind of like an investment.
491
00:23:58,857 --> 00:24:02,360
There was a fire in her
492
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:05,280
that she wanted to get to the next level.
493
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,908
♪
494
00:24:09,492 --> 00:24:12,120
[Demi] Barney was my first audition,
and I booked it, and that was great.
495
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,415
But then, like, I found it
really hard to book other jobs,
496
00:24:15,415 --> 00:24:17,500
and I was so frustrated.
497
00:24:18,251 --> 00:24:19,961
There were a lot of "nos."
498
00:24:21,504 --> 00:24:24,925
And it's also like,
I feel like when you are young
499
00:24:24,925 --> 00:24:26,218
and you start out in the industry
500
00:24:26,218 --> 00:24:28,136
and you start making
a bunch of money right away,
501
00:24:28,136 --> 00:24:30,096
no one ever tells you that it runs out.
502
00:24:30,096 --> 00:24:32,641
And all of a sudden, you wake up one day,
and you're like,
503
00:24:32,641 --> 00:24:36,394
"Oh, shit. This is like...
I have to keep working,
504
00:24:36,394 --> 00:24:37,896
if I'm lucky enough to keep working."
505
00:24:37,896 --> 00:24:39,231
- You know?
- Yeah, man.
506
00:24:39,231 --> 00:24:41,858
For a long time, it was,
you know, a lot of auditioning,
507
00:24:41,858 --> 00:24:44,861
- like, a lot of struggle, whatever.
- Mm-hmm. A lot of rejection.
508
00:24:44,861 --> 00:24:46,613
- Ton of rejection. Like--
- Yeah.
509
00:24:46,613 --> 00:24:49,199
And I really considered
not wanting to act anymore,
510
00:24:49,199 --> 00:24:51,284
like, if these are the kinds
of things I had to go through.
511
00:24:51,284 --> 00:24:54,746
It was almost like
I was forced to stay humble,
512
00:24:54,746 --> 00:24:56,373
if you will, you know what I'm saying?
513
00:24:56,373 --> 00:25:00,085
'Cause, like, when I could've
been in my most boisterous,
514
00:25:00,085 --> 00:25:03,797
everybody-knows-my-name
kinda years, I didn't want that
515
00:25:03,797 --> 00:25:07,342
because I didn't want people
to know I was struggling.
516
00:25:07,342 --> 00:25:08,510
You know what I mean?
517
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:12,097
So, it's kind of the beautiful
kind of conundrum of, you know,
518
00:25:12,097 --> 00:25:15,267
- the irony of life, if you will. Yeah.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
519
00:25:15,267 --> 00:25:17,435
- I took it personal every time I got a no.
- [Kenan] Yeah.
520
00:25:17,435 --> 00:25:19,521
'Cause I was like,
"There's something wrong with me."
521
00:25:21,898 --> 00:25:24,943
I knew that that was what I wanted to do
522
00:25:24,943 --> 00:25:28,572
instead of going to public school
with other kids.
523
00:25:28,572 --> 00:25:31,408
Like, I never felt normal, so doing--
524
00:25:31,408 --> 00:25:33,076
performing in arts made me feel
525
00:25:33,076 --> 00:25:35,287
more comfortable being myself.
526
00:25:35,287 --> 00:25:38,790
- [♪ lively piano playing]
- [coach] Oh, my God!
527
00:25:38,790 --> 00:25:42,419
[Christina] Yeah, I learned really
early on that I could never talk about
528
00:25:42,419 --> 00:25:45,714
what ha-- what I did when I was away
when I was back at school.
529
00:25:45,714 --> 00:25:48,383
I think the first day I came
back from shooting Mermaids,
530
00:25:48,383 --> 00:25:50,343
there were two little girls
that I'd been friends with,
531
00:25:50,343 --> 00:25:53,805
and I went to talk to them
and tell them about what I had done.
532
00:25:53,805 --> 00:25:56,266
And they very quickly turned on me
533
00:25:56,266 --> 00:25:58,310
- and thought I was bragging.
- [Demi] Yeah. Right.
534
00:25:58,310 --> 00:26:00,228
And I was like... [stammering]
535
00:26:00,228 --> 00:26:03,982
And I just realized that it
was not going to go over well.
536
00:26:03,982 --> 00:26:05,317
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- And so after that,
537
00:26:05,317 --> 00:26:07,027
I never spoke about it ever.
538
00:26:07,027 --> 00:26:09,195
[Demi] Oh, that must've been so isolating.
539
00:26:09,195 --> 00:26:11,990
I guess so. At the time, I didn't, um--
540
00:26:12,741 --> 00:26:16,703
It didn't-- At the time, you know,
I wasn't doing a lot of, uh...
541
00:26:18,330 --> 00:26:21,249
- self-analysis at that age, obviously.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm. Yeah.
542
00:26:21,249 --> 00:26:25,462
But I do think that I felt--
I was not a child that felt, um,
543
00:26:26,046 --> 00:26:28,340
like I had a group where
I belonged, you know?
544
00:26:28,340 --> 00:26:29,633
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- And I guess that--
545
00:26:29,633 --> 00:26:31,593
I guess maybe, yeah,
that would've started then.
546
00:26:31,593 --> 00:26:34,679
[♪ gentle music playing]
547
00:26:39,309 --> 00:26:41,478
[Demi] As soon as I started
auditioning for roles,
548
00:26:41,478 --> 00:26:43,772
the bullying started happening.
549
00:26:44,731 --> 00:26:48,318
The popular girls started
writing in the bathroom stalls,
550
00:26:48,318 --> 00:26:52,364
"Demi's a whore," all these nasty things.
551
00:26:52,364 --> 00:26:56,368
And then it got to the point where,
like, by the end of the day on a Friday,
552
00:26:56,368 --> 00:27:00,163
I remember going to lunch and feeling like
everyone was staring at me.
553
00:27:01,206 --> 00:27:04,042
They had signed a suicide petition
554
00:27:04,042 --> 00:27:06,920
saying that I should kill myself,
555
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,006
and it was passed around
and people signed it.
556
00:27:13,552 --> 00:27:16,054
It was so extremely hurtful.
557
00:27:18,181 --> 00:27:21,017
And that was a part of
my motivation to follow my dreams
558
00:27:21,017 --> 00:27:23,353
because I knew it would
get me out of Texas.
559
00:27:25,522 --> 00:27:28,775
I imagined what it would be like
being on Disney Channel.
560
00:27:29,568 --> 00:27:34,864
I was like, "I'm gonna become so famous,
they can't escape my name."
561
00:27:37,325 --> 00:27:39,995
[Dianna] The turning point for our family
562
00:27:39,995 --> 00:27:41,621
was when...
563
00:27:42,622 --> 00:27:46,585
Demi went to the Disney Channel
to audition for...
564
00:27:48,086 --> 00:27:50,630
the Jonas Brothers show.
565
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:52,591
And she wanted it so bad.
566
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:55,677
You know, we had heard
so many "nos" on things.
567
00:27:55,677 --> 00:27:59,431
At this point, we had been auditioning
for several years,
568
00:27:59,431 --> 00:28:02,017
and they flew us out.
569
00:28:05,103 --> 00:28:06,771
- [plane whooshing]
- Hi!
570
00:28:06,771 --> 00:28:09,316
I screen tested for it and everything.
571
00:28:09,316 --> 00:28:12,444
- Wow!
- [Dianna] You were here five minutes ago.
572
00:28:12,444 --> 00:28:14,654
I know, but I've dreamed
about this for so long,
573
00:28:14,654 --> 00:28:17,032
and I still can't believe
that I-- we're here.
574
00:28:17,032 --> 00:28:19,242
I was so excited. I couldn't believe
575
00:28:19,242 --> 00:28:21,328
that they were considering me
for the role.
576
00:28:21,328 --> 00:28:22,704
[♪ soft music playing]
577
00:28:22,704 --> 00:28:24,998
The agent called us and said,
578
00:28:24,998 --> 00:28:28,209
"I'm sorry, Demi didn't get it."
579
00:28:29,085 --> 00:28:31,546
[Demi] I was so close.
580
00:28:31,546 --> 00:28:35,592
I had gotten my hopes up so high.
581
00:28:35,592 --> 00:28:37,886
Disney said,
"Even though you didn't get this one,
582
00:28:37,886 --> 00:28:39,638
we still wanna see you
for two other roles."
583
00:28:39,638 --> 00:28:40,722
[phone ringing]
584
00:28:40,722 --> 00:28:43,767
[Dianna] And we got a phone call.
Her agent put it on speaker,
585
00:28:44,643 --> 00:28:47,771
and they said, "Congratulations, Demi.
586
00:28:47,771 --> 00:28:51,775
You are Camp Rock's Mitchie."
587
00:28:51,775 --> 00:28:53,360
That was the name of the character.
588
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,363
♪ Off to the races, I'm going places ♪
589
00:28:56,363 --> 00:28:59,032
♪ Might be a long shot,
not gonna waste it ♪
590
00:28:59,032 --> 00:29:01,660
♪ This is the big break ♪
591
00:29:01,660 --> 00:29:05,538
♪ And it's calling my name, yeah ♪
592
00:29:06,414 --> 00:29:08,083
♪ So far, so great ♪
593
00:29:08,083 --> 00:29:12,128
[Demi] I also booked
Sonny with a Chance, so I got both.
594
00:29:12,754 --> 00:29:13,755
♪ Yow! ♪
595
00:29:13,755 --> 00:29:17,425
When you get a "yes"
that's really that big,
596
00:29:18,552 --> 00:29:21,805
that was like, "This is gonna change
my family's whole life."
597
00:29:21,805 --> 00:29:22,931
Mom!
598
00:29:22,931 --> 00:29:25,475
Ah! This is so exciting!
599
00:29:25,475 --> 00:29:26,810
- [giggles]
- You know it's not every day
600
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:29,646
that I hand my beautiful daughter
over to show business.
601
00:29:29,646 --> 00:29:31,940
- [audience laughs]
- Bye!
602
00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:34,734
[Dianna]
The attorney that was on the phone said,
603
00:29:34,734 --> 00:29:36,861
"When are you gonna be moving out here?"
604
00:29:36,861 --> 00:29:39,281
And I said,
"Oh, we're not gonna be moving out."
605
00:29:39,281 --> 00:29:42,909
And they-- [chuckles] they laughed at me.
They were like,
606
00:29:42,909 --> 00:29:45,495
"No, that's not how this works." [laughs]
607
00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:51,585
We were so green in this industry.
608
00:29:51,585 --> 00:29:54,129
I just had no idea how any of this worked.
609
00:29:54,129 --> 00:29:58,383
And you know what?
That was the easy part of our lives.
610
00:29:58,383 --> 00:30:02,043
I'm not kidding. It got harder from there.
Trust me.
611
00:30:03,554 --> 00:30:05,181
[♪ soft electronic music playing]
612
00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:09,853
[♪ music becomes upbeat]
613
00:30:09,853 --> 00:30:13,231
[indistinct chatter]
614
00:30:17,235 --> 00:30:18,820
Whoa.
615
00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:21,072
[Brooks] Disney comes along and realizes
616
00:30:21,072 --> 00:30:25,744
the idea of being famous is a real hook
617
00:30:25,744 --> 00:30:28,747
to teenage girls in particular.
618
00:30:28,747 --> 00:30:30,790
[announcer]
The Cheetah Girls In Concert Collection.
619
00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:32,208
You can make them sing!
620
00:30:32,208 --> 00:30:36,004
[Brooks] The first is Cheetah Girls, 2003,
621
00:30:36,004 --> 00:30:38,882
about a formation of a girl group.
622
00:30:38,882 --> 00:30:41,676
And then you have High School Musical
623
00:30:41,676 --> 00:30:43,178
and Hannah Montana.
624
00:30:43,178 --> 00:30:46,181
I wrote this song
about an 11-year-old girl
625
00:30:46,181 --> 00:30:47,724
who wanted to be a rock star.
626
00:30:47,724 --> 00:30:50,060
These shows about performing
627
00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:52,479
and what it might be like to be famous.
628
00:30:52,479 --> 00:30:54,272
This could lead to something bigger,
629
00:30:54,272 --> 00:30:57,067
like T-shirts, backpacks, lunchboxes.
630
00:30:57,067 --> 00:30:59,861
It's always been a dream of mine
to be on a lunchbox!
631
00:30:59,861 --> 00:31:02,322
[Brooks]
The big thing that the networks realize
632
00:31:02,322 --> 00:31:04,449
is that these shows in particular
633
00:31:04,449 --> 00:31:07,494
are very merchandise-friendly.
634
00:31:07,494 --> 00:31:10,288
[♪ gentle music playing]
635
00:31:10,288 --> 00:31:12,374
- [announcer 1] JoJo Siwa!
- [crowd cheering]
636
00:31:12,374 --> 00:31:14,793
[announcer 2] Entertainer-performer
JoJo Siwa can do it all.
637
00:31:14,793 --> 00:31:17,087
She's fun, she's positive,
and she's so sparkly!
638
00:31:17,087 --> 00:31:18,755
We're in JoJo heaven,
639
00:31:18,755 --> 00:31:20,590
and now, your little one can be, too,
640
00:31:20,590 --> 00:31:22,926
with the JoJo range at Walmart.
Available now!
641
00:31:22,926 --> 00:31:25,887
You have so much merchandise!
642
00:31:25,887 --> 00:31:26,972
[JoJo Siwa] It's crazy!
643
00:31:26,972 --> 00:31:28,723
- Oh, my God.
- [JoJo] Yeah.
644
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:33,478
- You need a bath bomb?
- Oh, scented bath bombs?
645
00:31:33,478 --> 00:31:35,772
- [JoJo] [laughs] Fully.
- What else do we have? We have--
646
00:31:35,772 --> 00:31:37,023
I mean, art kits.
647
00:31:37,023 --> 00:31:39,442
- We got toys, electronics...
- Art kits.
648
00:31:39,442 --> 00:31:41,611
- ...merchandise, bows.
- Cups.
649
00:31:41,611 --> 00:31:44,364
-"Design your own glitter tumblers."
- [JoJo] Yep. [laughs]
650
00:31:44,364 --> 00:31:45,824
[Demi] You have everything!
651
00:31:45,824 --> 00:31:47,867
[JoJo]
I have everything you could ever need
652
00:31:47,867 --> 00:31:50,370
for a 7-year-old girl's birthday party.
653
00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:51,454
[both laugh]
654
00:31:51,454 --> 00:31:53,331
[singing]
♪ I'ma come back like a boomerang ♪
655
00:31:53,331 --> 00:31:55,834
Just updated the JoJo Siwa merch room!
656
00:31:55,834 --> 00:31:58,795
It was always really cool to me.
It was weird
657
00:31:58,795 --> 00:32:01,464
being produced as an animation almost,
658
00:32:01,464 --> 00:32:03,258
you know what I mean? But it was real,
659
00:32:03,258 --> 00:32:06,052
- it was me, like the-- not a character.
- Right.
660
00:32:06,052 --> 00:32:09,264
- But at the same time, same as SpongeBob.
- Right.
661
00:32:09,264 --> 00:32:10,807
You know what I mean?
Same as Mickey Mouse.
662
00:32:10,807 --> 00:32:12,851
- 'Cause your name is on this, so it's you.
- Mm-hmm.
663
00:32:12,851 --> 00:32:15,312
- It's me. Yeah.
- It's your likeness. It's not a character
664
00:32:15,312 --> 00:32:17,063
that you're playing,
which is totally different
665
00:32:17,063 --> 00:32:19,900
- than what Hannah Montana and other--
- Exactly. You.
666
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,484
- And, and me, yeah. [laughs]
- You, yeah!
667
00:32:21,484 --> 00:32:24,571
[♪ upbeat pop music playing]
668
00:32:24,571 --> 00:32:26,239
[crowd screaming]
669
00:32:26,239 --> 00:32:28,992
[JoJo] Growing up, seeing
Hannah Montana on stage with the fans,
670
00:32:28,992 --> 00:32:30,660
and she was singing Nobody's Perfect,
671
00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:32,704
that was like, I wanted to be it.
672
00:32:32,704 --> 00:32:35,874
[crowd cheering]
673
00:32:35,874 --> 00:32:39,294
[Brooks] If you get a Disney show
or a Nickelodeon show,
674
00:32:39,294 --> 00:32:41,755
suddenly, your life changes overnight.
675
00:32:41,755 --> 00:32:45,300
You not only become famous,
676
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,427
your image becomes merchandised.
677
00:32:47,427 --> 00:32:49,888
You're in Target aisle.
678
00:32:49,888 --> 00:32:51,890
They send you to the theme parks
679
00:32:51,890 --> 00:32:54,893
to stand on the top of a parade.
680
00:32:54,893 --> 00:32:58,355
If you can sing from Disney's, uh,
music label,
681
00:32:58,355 --> 00:33:00,607
as that triple-threat benefit can be,
682
00:33:00,607 --> 00:33:03,193
"Oh, wait, you can act and dance.
683
00:33:03,193 --> 00:33:05,028
Uh, let's put you in front of cameras."
684
00:33:05,028 --> 00:33:06,947
You're such the triple-threat.
You dance, you act.
685
00:33:06,947 --> 00:33:08,240
Is singing your number one?
686
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,200
- [audience clapping]
- Triple-threat star Ariana Grande
687
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,285
is following the super
successful footsteps...
688
00:33:12,285 --> 00:33:13,411
Kinda wanna be a triple threat.
689
00:33:13,411 --> 00:33:14,621
[♪ soft music playing]
690
00:33:14,621 --> 00:33:17,916
[Demi] Everyone at that time
wanted to be on Disney Channel.
691
00:33:17,916 --> 00:33:22,420
It was the coolest thing to do
is to be a Disney channel star.
692
00:33:23,046 --> 00:33:25,423
♪
693
00:33:25,423 --> 00:33:26,841
- Justin.
- Keri.
694
00:33:26,841 --> 00:33:28,260
- JC.
- Britney.
695
00:33:28,260 --> 00:33:29,636
Ryan.
696
00:33:29,636 --> 00:33:32,764
[Demi] It was the only way
that teens were able
697
00:33:32,764 --> 00:33:36,810
to make it in the industry at a young age
698
00:33:36,810 --> 00:33:38,979
because getting a movie role
699
00:33:38,979 --> 00:33:41,690
that would break
a child actor was so rare,
700
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:44,401
- and here came along this...
- [crowd cheering]
701
00:33:44,401 --> 00:33:46,820
...massive platform
702
00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:49,906
that could easily transform your life.
703
00:33:49,906 --> 00:33:53,952
- [♪ muffled upbeat music playing]
- [♪ indistinct singing]
704
00:33:54,744 --> 00:33:58,123
I had so much fun filming Camp Rock.
705
00:33:58,123 --> 00:33:59,583
The whole thing was so exciting.
706
00:33:59,583 --> 00:34:02,502
We were all kind of just thrown
into this Disney machine.
707
00:34:02,836 --> 00:34:05,630
- [Jasmine Richards] What up?
- [Alyson Stoner] This is our school room!
708
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:06,715
[cheering]
709
00:34:06,715 --> 00:34:08,216
This is where we hang out.
710
00:34:08,216 --> 00:34:10,302
[Demi] We called it Disney High.
711
00:34:10,635 --> 00:34:14,598
[♪ harmonizing]
712
00:34:15,765 --> 00:34:17,726
[Demi]
You know, we were dating each other,
713
00:34:17,726 --> 00:34:19,728
and there was people
that didn't like each other,
714
00:34:19,728 --> 00:34:22,022
and we were all the same age.
715
00:34:22,022 --> 00:34:25,317
And none of us were in high school,
so that was our experience of it.
716
00:34:26,151 --> 00:34:28,653
[both] Oh, my God! [laughter]
717
00:34:28,653 --> 00:34:30,739
♪
718
00:34:30,739 --> 00:34:33,783
[Alyson] I don't think there's been
one night where we're not hanging out.
719
00:34:33,783 --> 00:34:36,411
It shows how close
we've really gotten with each other.
720
00:34:36,411 --> 00:34:39,789
Everyone in this movie is friends
with each other, and that's hard to find.
721
00:34:39,789 --> 00:34:40,874
- [balloon pops]
- Ha-ha!
722
00:34:40,874 --> 00:34:41,958
Oh, my gosh!
723
00:34:42,626 --> 00:34:45,420
- [Alyson] Do you remember this?
- Oh, yeah! [laughs]
724
00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:47,923
[both singing] ♪ Hand it up,
let's start, start, start ♪
725
00:34:47,923 --> 00:34:49,925
- Oh, it was this.
- Why do I know this dance still?
726
00:34:49,925 --> 00:34:51,718
- [laughing]
- This is embarrassing.
727
00:34:51,718 --> 00:34:54,429
It lives forever in my cellular memory.
728
00:34:54,429 --> 00:34:56,348
[laughing]
729
00:34:56,348 --> 00:34:59,059
- [Demi] Oh, my God!
- [Alyson] Stop!
730
00:34:59,059 --> 00:35:00,644
Well, Anne Marie.
731
00:35:00,644 --> 00:35:02,187
- Yeah!
- Yeah.
732
00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:04,314
- Do you ever talk to her?
- No!
733
00:35:04,314 --> 00:35:06,524
- Yeah, I stalked her.
- Also-- Okay. [laughs]
734
00:35:06,524 --> 00:35:08,818
I think she has a baby
and, like, is married.
735
00:35:08,818 --> 00:35:10,195
- [gasps] What?
- Yeah.
736
00:35:10,195 --> 00:35:11,529
♪ I know you're never gonna wanna ♪
737
00:35:11,529 --> 00:35:14,366
Who out of us have babies?
738
00:35:14,366 --> 00:35:16,409
- [Demi laughs]
- Giovanni!
739
00:35:16,409 --> 00:35:18,411
I feel like dancing
to the beat of a different drum.
740
00:35:18,411 --> 00:35:19,871
Oh, wow.
741
00:35:19,871 --> 00:35:22,165
Hi, I'm Caitlyn, camper today,
742
00:35:22,165 --> 00:35:24,793
top-selling music producer tomorrow.
Check me out.
743
00:35:24,793 --> 00:35:26,920
[♪ upbeat techno music playing]
744
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,296
Cool! [laughs]
745
00:35:28,296 --> 00:35:29,881
Do you the keyboard scene?
746
00:35:29,881 --> 00:35:33,051
- I don't know what you're talking about.
- You-- [laughs]
747
00:35:33,051 --> 00:35:35,220
[♪ quiet techno music playing]
748
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:39,057
It's like... like this. It's so good!
749
00:35:39,057 --> 00:35:41,810
[♪ techno continues]
750
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:45,397
I play a piano
that wasn't plugged in on the day
751
00:35:45,397 --> 00:35:47,482
and didn't know what song
they were gonna add.
752
00:35:47,482 --> 00:35:50,026
- [Demi] Oh, no... Yes.
- Do you-- And then when I heard it
753
00:35:50,026 --> 00:35:52,612
when the movie came out,
I was like, "That's what you chose?"
754
00:35:52,612 --> 00:35:54,030
[Demi laughing]
755
00:35:54,030 --> 00:35:56,157
"I'm supposed to be a talented producer!
756
00:35:56,157 --> 00:35:58,118
That's what you're playing?"
757
00:35:58,118 --> 00:36:01,121
[♪ quiet techno continues]
758
00:36:01,121 --> 00:36:03,081
[Demi]
And I'm like, "Wow, she's really good!"
759
00:36:03,081 --> 00:36:05,125
- [laughs]
- [Alyson] That's the moment.
760
00:36:05,125 --> 00:36:06,376
[both laugh]
761
00:36:06,877 --> 00:36:10,589
[Demi] I remember one time,
you followed me into the bathroom.
762
00:36:10,589 --> 00:36:12,632
- In Camp Rock one.
- Yeah. Yeah.
763
00:36:12,632 --> 00:36:14,801
[Demi] And I had been purging,
764
00:36:14,801 --> 00:36:17,929
and you picked up on it
because your Spidey senses
765
00:36:17,929 --> 00:36:21,057
were already in tune with those behaviors.
766
00:36:21,057 --> 00:36:22,601
- [Alyson] Mm-hmm.
- And you followed me in,
767
00:36:22,601 --> 00:36:23,810
and you talked to me.
768
00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:26,897
And I was really grateful that someone...
769
00:36:28,231 --> 00:36:31,192
didn't just, like, shun me in that moment,
770
00:36:31,192 --> 00:36:33,278
um, or shame me at all.
771
00:36:33,278 --> 00:36:36,072
I felt like you were
very understanding and--
772
00:36:36,072 --> 00:36:40,118
But, that was definitely
a moment that I remember being, like--
773
00:36:41,244 --> 00:36:43,705
One, I was like, "Oh, my God,
somebody knows."
774
00:36:43,705 --> 00:36:45,332
- Mm-hmm.
- [Demi] Like, "Fuck."
775
00:36:45,332 --> 00:36:48,376
But two, I was, like, really grateful
that you were there for me.
776
00:36:48,376 --> 00:36:51,129
Yeah, and I felt that support mutually
777
00:36:51,129 --> 00:36:53,423
- and feeling like we ha-- we know--
- [Demi] Yeah.
778
00:36:54,174 --> 00:36:57,093
We know that what we're dealing with
at the surface level
779
00:36:57,093 --> 00:37:00,430
is just one part of the story
of what we're going through each day.
780
00:37:00,430 --> 00:37:03,683
Do you remember doing, like,
the photo shoots that we did
781
00:37:03,683 --> 00:37:07,771
- for the teen magazines?
- [Demi] Yes, like, like Popstar!
782
00:37:07,771 --> 00:37:10,232
- and Tiger Beat.
- [Alyson] Yeah. I remember they removed
783
00:37:10,232 --> 00:37:14,027
every line and airbrushed under my eyes,
784
00:37:14,027 --> 00:37:16,988
almost not recognizing myself,
and then immediately going,
785
00:37:16,988 --> 00:37:20,992
"I didn't know that those things
were wrong with me before."
786
00:37:20,992 --> 00:37:24,204
And that, like, stuck with me, you know,
787
00:37:24,204 --> 00:37:26,706
for all the subsequent
photo shoots of, like,
788
00:37:26,706 --> 00:37:31,503
"Oh, I know that in post,
they're gonna fix these five things."
789
00:37:31,503 --> 00:37:32,671
[♪ gentle music playing]
790
00:37:32,671 --> 00:37:34,089
You see yourself, and you're like,
791
00:37:34,089 --> 00:37:36,258
-"Oh, my gosh, this is amazing."
- [Demi] Yeah.
792
00:37:36,258 --> 00:37:39,719
[Alyson] "I look perfect," you know?
And then I look in the mirror,
793
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,972
- and I'm like, "Wait, what?" Like--
- [Demi] Yeah.
794
00:37:41,972 --> 00:37:45,016
It's definitely caused
a lot of self-esteem
795
00:37:45,016 --> 00:37:46,935
and self-confidence issues.
796
00:37:47,477 --> 00:37:49,854
- Hey, guys! It's me, Demi.
- Hello. And Alyson.
797
00:37:49,854 --> 00:37:51,731
Yes, and guess where we are?
798
00:37:51,731 --> 00:37:53,608
- London!
- [Demi] Yeah, you see the flag?
799
00:37:53,608 --> 00:37:57,279
[Alyson]
The Camp Rock press junket in Europe
800
00:37:57,279 --> 00:38:02,701
- was a really, really dark time for me...
- Yeah.
801
00:38:02,701 --> 00:38:05,245
- ...with my eating disorder.
- Mm-hmm.
802
00:38:05,245 --> 00:38:07,581
And I remember specifically
803
00:38:07,581 --> 00:38:10,333
feeling terrified of my appearance
804
00:38:10,333 --> 00:38:12,961
and being in very, very,
very obsessive behaviors
805
00:38:12,961 --> 00:38:15,297
before the press started
806
00:38:15,297 --> 00:38:17,340
and knowing we, we were both
807
00:38:17,340 --> 00:38:19,175
- going through a lot.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
808
00:38:19,175 --> 00:38:21,928
And you know, on the outside,
then people were like, "That was amazing!
809
00:38:21,928 --> 00:38:25,307
Look how great you look!"
And we're like, "You have no idea
810
00:38:25,307 --> 00:38:26,975
what's going on right now."
811
00:38:26,975 --> 00:38:29,978
[Demi] Yeah. It was a way to take
control of the situation.
812
00:38:29,978 --> 00:38:32,689
[Alyson]
Yes, and sometimes also understanding
813
00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:35,525
that is the only sense of safety
and control that you have.
814
00:38:35,525 --> 00:38:39,237
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- It was just like, "I was trained to be
815
00:38:40,363 --> 00:38:43,533
"at your beck and call,
and whatever you want from me,
816
00:38:43,533 --> 00:38:44,993
I will provide."
817
00:38:44,993 --> 00:38:46,411
[♪ gentle music playing]
818
00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:49,956
[Christina] Definitely being easy
to work with was the ultimate.
819
00:38:49,956 --> 00:38:51,583
You knew you were gonna get the next job
820
00:38:51,583 --> 00:38:54,377
based on how easy you
and your mother were to work with.
821
00:38:54,377 --> 00:38:55,754
[Demi] Yeah.
822
00:38:55,754 --> 00:38:57,797
[Christina]
And then I was pretty easy, too,
823
00:38:57,797 --> 00:38:59,883
because I just so desperately
wanted to be there.
824
00:38:59,883 --> 00:39:01,885
The idea of agency was not something
825
00:39:01,885 --> 00:39:04,638
- that was even... You know what I mean?
- Yeah.
826
00:39:04,638 --> 00:39:06,848
Like, it didn't even occur to me,
you know?
827
00:39:06,848 --> 00:39:08,058
- The right to--
- [Demi] Yeah.
828
00:39:08,058 --> 00:39:10,894
The right to argue or say
or disagree and all that stuff
829
00:39:10,894 --> 00:39:13,980
was something that was almost--
Yeah, it was earned.
830
00:39:15,273 --> 00:39:18,276
- [inaudible chatter]
- [♪ muffled music playing]
831
00:39:21,321 --> 00:39:25,992
[Drew] I was pretty convinced that
the more open and available I was,
832
00:39:25,992 --> 00:39:28,286
that makes you better at your job.
833
00:39:28,286 --> 00:39:30,622
- Yeah.
- [Drew] So the memo I got was
834
00:39:30,622 --> 00:39:33,833
your job requirement is to unzip,
835
00:39:33,833 --> 00:39:37,295
metaphorically speaking,
and open yourself up to everything.
836
00:39:37,295 --> 00:39:39,339
- Right.
- I, I didn't know boundaries.
837
00:39:39,339 --> 00:39:41,466
[interviewer] Could you step back
and let us see the dress?
838
00:39:41,466 --> 00:39:43,468
We're doing a story on fashion.
839
00:39:45,262 --> 00:39:48,682
When you turn yourself into a commodity,
840
00:39:48,682 --> 00:39:50,517
you're talking about validation.
841
00:39:50,517 --> 00:39:53,019
You're talking about feeling less than.
842
00:39:53,019 --> 00:39:56,398
You're talking about losing people,
gaining people.
843
00:39:56,398 --> 00:40:00,026
- That's a serious mental game...
- [Demi] Right.
844
00:40:00,026 --> 00:40:03,113
[Drew] ...that you need to have intact
in order to handle it all.
845
00:40:04,447 --> 00:40:07,325
[Demi] I think I became aware of it,
846
00:40:07,325 --> 00:40:11,621
like, it-- I started noticing the word
"brand" in conversations,
847
00:40:11,621 --> 00:40:15,333
and it just came into my consciousness
when I was about 15,
848
00:40:15,333 --> 00:40:17,878
whenever I started
working on Disney Channel.
849
00:40:17,878 --> 00:40:21,339
You know, like, "What image am I going
to put out there of myself?"
850
00:40:22,132 --> 00:40:25,635
It's confusing when you start
profiting off of...
851
00:40:26,177 --> 00:40:29,806
your brand,
which you confuse with yourself.
852
00:40:29,806 --> 00:40:31,725
And the m-- Like you said,
853
00:40:31,725 --> 00:40:34,102
that's an exhausting part of the industry.
854
00:40:36,605 --> 00:40:39,024
[muffled chatter]
855
00:40:39,024 --> 00:40:40,609
[door opens]
856
00:40:43,194 --> 00:40:45,280
- [Oak Felder] Hey, hey!
- [Demi] Hello. How's it going?
857
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,865
[Oak] I'm chillin'. How are you?
858
00:40:46,865 --> 00:40:50,577
- I'm good. Good to see you.
- [laughs] It's good to see you, too.
859
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:54,497
[Demi] There's all this pressure
to create a hit song,
860
00:40:54,497 --> 00:40:57,709
and that takes away from the joy of it,
861
00:40:58,543 --> 00:41:01,546
'cause I'm in the studio second-guessing
everything I do and write.
862
00:41:01,546 --> 00:41:04,049
[♪ "Don't Forget" instrumental playing]
863
00:41:04,049 --> 00:41:05,133
♪ We had it all ♪
864
00:41:05,133 --> 00:41:06,593
Dammit, that wasn't good enough.
865
00:41:06,593 --> 00:41:07,677
Let me give you another.
866
00:41:07,677 --> 00:41:10,263
[♪ "Don't Forget" resumes playing]
867
00:41:10,263 --> 00:41:11,806
♪ We had it all ♪
868
00:41:11,806 --> 00:41:12,891
Fuck.
869
00:41:12,891 --> 00:41:14,309
Dammit, why are you beating yourself up?
870
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:15,810
I didn't like that. Let me take a sip.
871
00:41:15,810 --> 00:41:16,895
♪ Ever hold ♪
872
00:41:16,895 --> 00:41:18,438
♪ Ever holding ♪
873
00:41:18,438 --> 00:41:21,441
- ♪ Ever holding my hand ♪
- Is that it?
874
00:41:21,441 --> 00:41:23,610
- Nope, that wasn't it.
- [Oak] Eh, yeah, could've been it, but...
875
00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:27,030
[Demi] Just this cycle that feels
like it's never-ending.
876
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:31,076
♪ Than we were before, I won't forget ♪
877
00:41:32,035 --> 00:41:34,037
[both sing] ♪ I won't forget ♪
878
00:41:34,788 --> 00:41:37,040
♪ About us ♪
879
00:41:37,624 --> 00:41:39,334
- [♪ music stops]
- Nice. I think we got it.
880
00:41:39,334 --> 00:41:40,961
One more just for shits.
881
00:41:40,961 --> 00:41:42,963
- [♪ music playing]
- ♪ Did you regret ♪
882
00:41:43,797 --> 00:41:46,508
♪ Ever holding my hand ♪
883
00:41:46,508 --> 00:41:48,552
- ♪ Never forget ♪
- [Oak cheering]
884
00:41:48,552 --> 00:41:50,053
♪ Please, don't forget ♪
885
00:41:51,054 --> 00:41:52,931
- [Oak] What was that?!
- That's pain.
886
00:41:52,931 --> 00:41:56,726
♪ Ever holding my hand, never again ♪
887
00:41:57,769 --> 00:41:58,770
Yeah.
888
00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:01,231
Where it changed for me was I sat down
889
00:42:01,231 --> 00:42:03,817
with my former management when I was 15,
890
00:42:04,776 --> 00:42:08,238
and they said, "Do you have any songs?"
And I played them
891
00:42:08,238 --> 00:42:10,240
five of the songs I'm most proud of,
892
00:42:11,157 --> 00:42:15,161
and they didn't react to them
the way that I was hoping.
893
00:42:15,161 --> 00:42:18,331
They were like, "Those are okay.
894
00:42:18,331 --> 00:42:21,293
"Um, let's get you in the studio with
895
00:42:21,293 --> 00:42:24,880
such-and-such artists and writers."
896
00:42:25,881 --> 00:42:29,384
And that, to me, chipped away
897
00:42:30,385 --> 00:42:34,431
at that raw connection to music.
898
00:42:37,017 --> 00:42:39,019
Obviously, my ego was hurt.
899
00:42:41,479 --> 00:42:43,356
It chipped away at my confidence,
900
00:42:43,356 --> 00:42:47,360
and I never turned to music
the same way again.
901
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,446
[quiet static]
902
00:42:49,446 --> 00:42:50,947
[announcer] They've got the looks,
903
00:42:50,947 --> 00:42:52,824
personality, and talent
to land feature roles
904
00:42:52,824 --> 00:42:55,076
on some of TV's hottest shows.
905
00:42:55,076 --> 00:42:59,706
In the '80s, all of sudden you start
having more and more of these child actors
906
00:42:59,706 --> 00:43:01,041
who are becoming stars.
907
00:43:01,041 --> 00:43:05,587
Their formative years are completely
and totally impacted
908
00:43:05,587 --> 00:43:07,881
by their being in show business.
909
00:43:07,881 --> 00:43:09,799
It's fun, and it's big bucks.
910
00:43:09,799 --> 00:43:11,009
[TV host] Yes, big bucks.
911
00:43:11,009 --> 00:43:13,970
4-year-old Cosby Show cutie
Raven-Symoné and her father
912
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:16,348
say that's exactly why
she's in this business.
913
00:43:16,348 --> 00:43:19,059
This is fun, but it's also a job,
914
00:43:19,059 --> 00:43:21,728
and she does this to get what?
915
00:43:21,728 --> 00:43:25,315
- [Raven-Symoné] Mm, paid.
- Exactly. Um, there's...
916
00:43:25,315 --> 00:43:27,984
[chuckles] there's, uh, um, college
917
00:43:27,984 --> 00:43:30,278
and things that she wants,
so forth like that.
918
00:43:30,278 --> 00:43:32,364
[Demi] When did you realize it was work?
919
00:43:32,364 --> 00:43:33,823
I knew it was work immediately.
920
00:43:33,823 --> 00:43:35,992
My parents made sure
that I understood that this was a job.
921
00:43:35,992 --> 00:43:37,827
I get paid for it, and you do--
922
00:43:37,827 --> 00:43:39,120
You show up professionally.
923
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,415
At what age do you start
to fathom what money is?
924
00:43:42,415 --> 00:43:45,085
When you're told how much you're getting
paid for the job that you do.
925
00:43:45,085 --> 00:43:48,213
So, I knew at 3 how much I was making,
and I understood that this was a job.
926
00:43:48,213 --> 00:43:50,549
If you lose it, you don't make--
you don't make the money.
927
00:43:50,549 --> 00:43:54,594
Right. When did you realize
you were the breadwinner for your family?
928
00:43:54,594 --> 00:43:56,471
We call it a family business.
929
00:43:56,471 --> 00:43:58,515
- Right.
- [Raven] Everybody has a job
930
00:43:58,515 --> 00:44:00,850
- within the family business.
- [Demi] Okay.
931
00:44:00,850 --> 00:44:04,187
So, nobody likes to say one person
is the breadwinner or not.
932
00:44:05,272 --> 00:44:07,482
- [Demi] Right.
- Read through those lines.
933
00:44:07,482 --> 00:44:09,901
- [Oprah Winfrey] Oh, Raven!
- [audience clapping, cheering]
934
00:44:09,901 --> 00:44:12,362
Hi! How are you?
935
00:44:12,362 --> 00:44:14,698
- [Raven] Good.
- [Oprah laughs]
936
00:44:15,657 --> 00:44:17,951
[laughing] Hi!
937
00:44:17,951 --> 00:44:20,745
[Raven] Booking The Cosby Show,
I mean, I can only imagine
938
00:44:20,745 --> 00:44:24,249
the excitement within the family dynamic.
939
00:44:24,541 --> 00:44:26,501
Cousins, grandmas, and aunties.
940
00:44:26,501 --> 00:44:28,086
Tell me how you got this job.
941
00:44:28,086 --> 00:44:31,756
[Raven] Cosby Show was the number-one
television show in America
942
00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:35,343
especially with an African-American cast
and so influential
943
00:44:35,343 --> 00:44:38,179
within the fabric of society.
Um, you know,
944
00:44:38,179 --> 00:44:41,057
a young girl from Atlanta, Georgia.
945
00:44:41,057 --> 00:44:42,934
Good luck to you, Raven.
It's so nice to have you.
946
00:44:42,934 --> 00:44:44,936
- So nice to have you, too.
- [laughs] Thank you.
947
00:44:44,936 --> 00:44:48,648
I mean, that's the dream
of so many Black people at that time.
948
00:44:50,066 --> 00:44:53,111
From the age of 16 months,
I knew that my job
949
00:44:53,111 --> 00:44:54,738
was to entertain other people.
950
00:44:54,738 --> 00:44:57,365
- I mean, that's a mind thing in itself.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
951
00:44:57,365 --> 00:44:58,617
- [Raven] You know?
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
952
00:44:58,617 --> 00:45:00,327
[Raven] One of the youngest Black females
953
00:45:00,327 --> 00:45:03,538
to have a show named after them
is a lot of pressure.
954
00:45:03,538 --> 00:45:05,081
Yep, that's me!
955
00:45:05,081 --> 00:45:08,627
Sometimes, though, the parents' dreams
956
00:45:08,627 --> 00:45:11,213
- might bleed into the child's...
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
957
00:45:11,213 --> 00:45:13,673
[Raven] ...and you get so enmeshed,
you know?
958
00:45:13,673 --> 00:45:15,050
[Demi] Mm-hmm.
959
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:18,220
Parents forget that children,
960
00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:21,389
young kids,
are performing for their parent.
961
00:45:21,389 --> 00:45:22,515
[Demi] Mm-hmm.
962
00:45:22,515 --> 00:45:25,769
They're performing for their parents'
love and affection...
963
00:45:25,769 --> 00:45:27,729
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- ...and their "Good job!"
964
00:45:27,729 --> 00:45:29,314
And yes, it's a lot of money.
965
00:45:29,314 --> 00:45:32,317
It's a lot of money,
and money does crazy shit.
966
00:45:32,943 --> 00:45:35,737
♪
967
00:45:35,737 --> 00:45:38,949
[news reel narrator] It's 1920,
and Jackie arrives in Los Angeles,
968
00:45:38,949 --> 00:45:41,993
acting very much the role
of popular movie star,
969
00:45:41,993 --> 00:45:44,329
but he's still a little boy to grownups.
970
00:45:45,914 --> 00:45:49,584
[Leah]
Jackie Coogan was one of the most famous
971
00:45:49,584 --> 00:45:51,795
child actors in American history.
972
00:45:51,795 --> 00:45:56,341
He made very good money
performing alongside Charlie Chaplin,
973
00:45:56,341 --> 00:45:58,885
but he actually wasn't able
974
00:45:58,885 --> 00:46:03,181
to access the bulk of his own money
upon becoming an adult.
975
00:46:03,181 --> 00:46:07,769
His parents had frittered away
what should have been millions.
976
00:46:07,769 --> 00:46:10,855
[♪ cinematic music playing]
977
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,077
So, California passed the first Coogan Law
978
00:46:24,077 --> 00:46:28,665
that required that there be
some percentage of money
979
00:46:28,665 --> 00:46:31,626
for a child actor set aside in a trust.
980
00:46:31,626 --> 00:46:33,670
So, in those states where they do exist,
981
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:38,842
Coogan Laws are really important
for child entertainers.
982
00:46:38,842 --> 00:46:41,553
In Florida, they didn't have the same kind
of labor laws or whatever.
983
00:46:42,637 --> 00:46:45,181
My mom met this dude, I think, like,
984
00:46:45,181 --> 00:46:47,100
somewhere through the community,
like, either church
985
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,270
or just neighborhood shit,
like, a book club or something, like,
986
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:54,274
who claimed to be a good,
you know, kinda tax accountant.
987
00:46:54,274 --> 00:46:56,192
Like, will get you out of, like,
your tax problems
988
00:46:56,192 --> 00:46:57,986
for, like, the cheap or whatever.
989
00:46:58,528 --> 00:47:01,239
Um, but, he was basically a con artist
990
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,700
and, like, ran away with,
like, my entire, like,
991
00:47:04,576 --> 00:47:06,912
biggest earnings up to that point,
you know what I mean?
992
00:47:06,912 --> 00:47:09,831
So, by the time it was discovered,
993
00:47:09,831 --> 00:47:12,709
it was towards the end
of that Nickelodeon tenure
994
00:47:12,709 --> 00:47:17,088
and the end of, you know,
the job-to-job, you know, existence
995
00:47:17,088 --> 00:47:21,009
that I had at that point.
And it was, it was devastating
996
00:47:21,009 --> 00:47:23,094
because I, like, discovered it
997
00:47:23,094 --> 00:47:25,013
in front of others,
you know what I'm saying?
998
00:47:25,013 --> 00:47:28,391
Like, I was going to buy a house
in, you know, Atlanta,
999
00:47:28,391 --> 00:47:29,601
like, my first home kinda shit,
1000
00:47:29,601 --> 00:47:32,938
and then he didn't show up with
the fuckin' check, you know what I mean?
1001
00:47:32,938 --> 00:47:34,731
I'm in these, like,
real estate people's office,
1002
00:47:34,731 --> 00:47:36,316
like, waiting to sign this paperwork,
1003
00:47:36,316 --> 00:47:38,360
and he doesn't bring
the check kinda thing.
1004
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,737
- Uh-huh.
- [Kenan] It's crazy, going from
1005
00:47:40,737 --> 00:47:43,531
rags to riches and back to rags.
It's a motherfucker.
1006
00:47:43,531 --> 00:47:46,993
- [♪ gentle music playing]
- [audience applause]
1007
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,332
[Alyson] It wasn't until the early '20s,
I was touring my original music.
1008
00:47:53,458 --> 00:47:56,127
One of the dancers I brought with me said
1009
00:47:56,127 --> 00:47:57,671
the check bounced,
1010
00:47:57,671 --> 00:48:01,466
uh, when I paid them out weekly.
And I was like,
1011
00:48:02,551 --> 00:48:06,263
"This is impossible because
I've been working since I was 7,
1012
00:48:06,263 --> 00:48:09,474
and I don't spend any money ever."
1013
00:48:09,474 --> 00:48:12,310
And I uncovered
1014
00:48:12,310 --> 00:48:15,105
that people in my...
1015
00:48:17,232 --> 00:48:20,860
surrounding network had been taking money
1016
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:22,529
- without me knowing...
- [Demi] Mm.
1017
00:48:22,529 --> 00:48:23,947
...for years.
1018
00:48:23,947 --> 00:48:26,575
[♪ gentle music playing]
1019
00:48:26,575 --> 00:48:28,785
[Chris Columbus]
I came from a working-class family,
1020
00:48:28,785 --> 00:48:30,787
and I've seen it
a couple of times with kids
1021
00:48:30,787 --> 00:48:32,789
when we see someone who comes
from a working-class family,
1022
00:48:32,789 --> 00:48:34,207
and suddenly, they're thrown into,
1023
00:48:34,207 --> 00:48:36,585
the kid becomes
the breadwinner for the family.
1024
00:48:36,585 --> 00:48:38,420
Particularly if you're doing a franchise.
1025
00:48:39,254 --> 00:48:41,631
We went from shooting Home Alone one,
1026
00:48:41,631 --> 00:48:44,426
nobody cared, but in the course of a year,
1027
00:48:44,426 --> 00:48:46,803
Macaulay Culkin became a huge star,
1028
00:48:46,803 --> 00:48:48,597
and that was unexpected.
1029
00:48:48,597 --> 00:48:50,724
It's not like Harry Potter where you know
1030
00:48:51,683 --> 00:48:53,894
that it may be extraordinarily successful.
1031
00:48:53,894 --> 00:48:56,104
[kids screaming]
1032
00:48:56,104 --> 00:48:58,481
[reporter]
The new Harry Potter film are looking
1033
00:48:58,481 --> 00:49:00,692
for children to play the three main roles.
1034
00:49:00,692 --> 00:49:02,861
[Chris Columbus] The first Potter film,
in terms of casting,
1035
00:49:02,861 --> 00:49:04,613
it was very intense.
1036
00:49:04,613 --> 00:49:08,825
I had to put blinders on because
that's all I was hearing, everywhere.
1037
00:49:08,825 --> 00:49:11,411
You know, you go out on the street,
you go into a pub, you go anywhere,
1038
00:49:11,411 --> 00:49:13,079
and people are saying,
"Who are you gonna cast?
1039
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:15,123
Who's gonna be Harry Potter?
Who's gonna be Harry Potter?"
1040
00:49:15,123 --> 00:49:17,292
And that, you take that information,
1041
00:49:17,292 --> 00:49:19,336
and you bring it back to the actor
and the actor's parents.
1042
00:49:19,336 --> 00:49:22,422
- [chaperone] Gentlemen, this is Rupert.
- [host] Hi, Rupert!
1043
00:49:22,422 --> 00:49:23,840
- [chaperone] This is Daniel.
- Hi, Daniel.
1044
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,008
[chaperone] And this is Emma.
1045
00:49:25,008 --> 00:49:26,259
This is gonna get pretty intense.
1046
00:49:26,259 --> 00:49:28,178
[reporter]
Daniel, are you going to be a, a saver?
1047
00:49:28,178 --> 00:49:30,180
[♪ soft music playing]
1048
00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:33,266
- Probably. Um...
- [group laughs]
1049
00:49:34,893 --> 00:49:37,479
I-- No, I don't have any idea.
1050
00:49:37,479 --> 00:49:38,980
[quiet laughter]
1051
00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:40,649
[interviewer 1] You nervous?
1052
00:49:40,649 --> 00:49:42,692
Yeah, very! I'm, like, so totally nervous.
1053
00:49:42,692 --> 00:49:44,569
[interviewer 1]
It's your first day. How does it feel?
1054
00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:46,238
It feels absolutely fantastic.
1055
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:48,281
Now, see?
1056
00:49:48,281 --> 00:49:50,951
I just felt a tremendous
responsibility to the actors,
1057
00:49:50,951 --> 00:49:52,827
that they knew what
they were getting into.
1058
00:49:52,827 --> 00:49:56,122
[Emma Watson] Yeah, insanely nervous.
The amount of people here is amazing.
1059
00:49:56,122 --> 00:49:58,959
[interviewer 2] You're really getting the
Hollywood superstar treatment out there.
1060
00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:02,045
Yeah, it was, um, weird,
but really, really cool.
1061
00:50:02,045 --> 00:50:05,465
[Chris Columbus] Kids signed for--
on for, like, five movies.
1062
00:50:05,465 --> 00:50:08,468
That's the rest of your life
as a child star.
1063
00:50:08,843 --> 00:50:11,346
[interviewer 3]
Well, chaps, six down, two to go.
1064
00:50:12,055 --> 00:50:14,349
[Chris Columbus]
That's gonna be your legacy,
1065
00:50:14,349 --> 00:50:16,768
and you have to learn
how to live with that.
1066
00:50:20,981 --> 00:50:23,775
When I was young, I had some pretty...
1067
00:50:23,775 --> 00:50:26,361
rough experiences
with other films that I had done.
1068
00:50:26,361 --> 00:50:28,029
We would use a dolly shot.
1069
00:50:28,029 --> 00:50:29,864
Yeah, what should I do here?
1070
00:50:29,864 --> 00:50:31,992
- Do a dolly shot. Yeah.
- You think so?
1071
00:50:31,992 --> 00:50:34,369
- I don't know. Do you-- Really? Okay.
- Yeah. Yeah.
1072
00:50:34,369 --> 00:50:36,955
- And what about after this?
- Mm...
1073
00:50:36,955 --> 00:50:40,875
Once we wrapped,
I, I didn't know what was going on.
1074
00:50:40,875 --> 00:50:43,962
[♪ quiet music playing]
1075
00:50:46,464 --> 00:50:52,053
Suddenly, I realized that parents
had to be a big part of it.
1076
00:50:52,053 --> 00:50:55,557
I can't have him go home
to a really sort of shaky environment
1077
00:50:55,557 --> 00:50:57,809
for the sake of a film. It's not worth it.
1078
00:50:57,809 --> 00:51:01,313
It was as important to cast the parents
as it was to cast the kids.
1079
00:51:01,313 --> 00:51:03,481
You're supposed to be interviewing me,
but I'm just curious. Is it--
1080
00:51:03,481 --> 00:51:05,567
Did you have people supporting you
1081
00:51:05,567 --> 00:51:07,861
- who wanted to--
- [Demi] I think my--
1082
00:51:07,861 --> 00:51:09,654
I love my parents to death,
1083
00:51:09,654 --> 00:51:12,240
but they didn't know how
to manage that situation.
1084
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:14,159
- Right.
- You know, it's a very tricky situation
1085
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:16,119
when I'm the breadwinner.
1086
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:18,455
- Yeah.
- And, um, and my parents,
1087
00:51:18,455 --> 00:51:20,498
- there was no manual on what to do.
- Mm-hmm.
1088
00:51:22,417 --> 00:51:24,544
[Dianna] There was one trip that we took,
1089
00:51:24,544 --> 00:51:28,215
she was doing a show
with the Jonas Brothers one night,
1090
00:51:28,215 --> 00:51:31,593
and we'd had interviews
and photo shoots and everything all day.
1091
00:51:31,593 --> 00:51:34,638
And she was about to go out
1092
00:51:34,638 --> 00:51:36,431
on stage, and she said,
1093
00:51:36,431 --> 00:51:39,684
"I just need five minutes, Mama. I need
five minutes. I just need to sleep."
1094
00:51:39,684 --> 00:51:41,686
[muffled cheering]
1095
00:51:41,686 --> 00:51:44,648
And I remember trying to wake her up.
1096
00:51:44,648 --> 00:51:48,026
She couldn't open her eyes,
and I started crying,
1097
00:51:48,026 --> 00:51:49,861
and then she started crying.
1098
00:51:49,861 --> 00:51:53,281
And here she's about to have
to go out on stage. But, it was just,
1099
00:51:53,281 --> 00:51:55,325
for me as a mom,
1100
00:51:55,325 --> 00:51:58,536
that's when I vowed to say,
1101
00:51:59,162 --> 00:52:01,706
"Hey, she's proven herself now.
1102
00:52:02,999 --> 00:52:05,752
"Can we pull back a little bit?
1103
00:52:05,752 --> 00:52:08,797
"And that's all I'm asking.
We're not asking not to do our job.
1104
00:52:08,797 --> 00:52:10,924
"We're just saying, you know,
can we get her
1105
00:52:10,924 --> 00:52:13,927
a little more sleep when she gets there?"
That kind of thing.
1106
00:52:14,886 --> 00:52:17,222
[Demi] I was a teenager,
and I was just exhausted.
1107
00:52:17,222 --> 00:52:19,891
- I was being worked into the ground.
- [Chris Columbus] Right.
1108
00:52:19,891 --> 00:52:23,353
We were all just kind of flapping around,
1109
00:52:23,353 --> 00:52:25,897
- figuring out how to swim, you know?
- Yeah.
1110
00:52:25,897 --> 00:52:27,482
- [CD drive whirs]
- [♪ upbeat music playing]
1111
00:52:27,482 --> 00:52:30,777
[Demi]
It started out me booking Camp Rock,
1112
00:52:30,777 --> 00:52:32,571
filming Camp Rock,
1113
00:52:32,571 --> 00:52:34,823
and then going back to LA,
1114
00:52:34,823 --> 00:52:37,242
filming a season of my TV show.
Actually, no.
1115
00:52:37,242 --> 00:52:39,369
- [audio scrubbing]
- I filmed Camp Rock.
1116
00:52:39,369 --> 00:52:41,580
Then, I worked on my album.
1117
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:44,874
I wrote it, recorded it
within about a month.
1118
00:52:44,874 --> 00:52:47,919
And then, I went on tour. After tour,
1119
00:52:47,919 --> 00:52:50,672
I filmed a season of my TV show
Sonny with a Chance.
1120
00:52:51,756 --> 00:52:56,094
Then, I filmed
Princess Protection Program.
1121
00:52:56,094 --> 00:52:57,512
After Princess Protection Program,
1122
00:52:57,512 --> 00:52:59,931
I started making another album.
1123
00:52:59,931 --> 00:53:02,976
Then, I toured.
Then, I filmed Camp Rock 2.
1124
00:53:02,976 --> 00:53:06,062
I worked on another album,
another season of my TV show.
1125
00:53:06,062 --> 00:53:09,316
It was back to back to back to back.
1126
00:53:09,316 --> 00:53:11,318
♪
1127
00:53:11,318 --> 00:53:14,404
Nobody really knew how
to stop the machine.
1128
00:53:14,404 --> 00:53:16,698
The, the train just kept moving.
1129
00:53:16,698 --> 00:53:18,700
Like, it was, there were never any pauses.
1130
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:22,245
I've been touring almost
every day since June 1st,
1131
00:53:22,245 --> 00:53:24,372
which I don't know the day today.
1132
00:53:24,372 --> 00:53:27,709
But, it is, like, the 5th of September.
1133
00:53:27,709 --> 00:53:30,295
Could be the 5th September today.
I don't know.
1134
00:53:30,295 --> 00:53:34,341
♪ Machine... ♪
1135
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:38,762
It burnt me out.
1136
00:53:38,762 --> 00:53:40,972
♪ Machine! ♪
1137
00:53:41,848 --> 00:53:44,809
♪ Machine! ♪
1138
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:47,479
♪ I won't change anything of my life ♪
1139
00:53:47,479 --> 00:53:50,357
- [crowd screaming]
- [banging on car]
1140
00:53:56,029 --> 00:53:58,031
[indistinct chatter]
1141
00:53:59,991 --> 00:54:01,993
There was one time
where I was in my tour bus,
1142
00:54:01,993 --> 00:54:05,080
and I looked out the window,
and there were fans chasing the bus,
1143
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,040
and they were screaming,
and they were so excited
1144
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,751
that my bus was showing up to the venue.
1145
00:54:09,751 --> 00:54:11,920
And I was just crying.
1146
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,506
Like, I could not stop crying.
1147
00:54:14,506 --> 00:54:17,008
Like, "Why am I living my dream
and doing what I love
1148
00:54:17,008 --> 00:54:18,718
"and have these opportunities
in front of me,
1149
00:54:18,718 --> 00:54:21,763
but I'm so fucking unhappy?"
1150
00:54:21,763 --> 00:54:23,932
I would always feel so gross about myself.
1151
00:54:23,932 --> 00:54:27,102
- [fans screaming]
- I knew that being on Disney Channel,
1152
00:54:27,102 --> 00:54:29,229
I was in a coveted position
1153
00:54:29,229 --> 00:54:32,941
that millions of people would
trade me in a heartbeat,
1154
00:54:32,941 --> 00:54:36,152
and just, I felt like
I was taking it for granted.
1155
00:54:36,152 --> 00:54:38,113
But really, I was just...
1156
00:54:38,113 --> 00:54:40,198
just a teenager that was struggling.
1157
00:54:40,198 --> 00:54:43,118
[screaming continues]
1158
00:54:43,493 --> 00:54:45,912
Hi, how's it going?
1159
00:54:45,912 --> 00:54:49,874
Do you guys have any questions for me?
I would love to answer them.
1160
00:54:49,874 --> 00:54:51,585
"What's it like to be living my dream?"
1161
00:54:51,585 --> 00:54:54,629
Um, I am living my dream.
1162
00:54:54,629 --> 00:54:57,382
I don't think I could be
asking to do anything else.
1163
00:54:57,382 --> 00:54:59,301
I'm, like, having the
best time in my life,
1164
00:54:59,301 --> 00:55:01,261
and I...
1165
00:55:01,261 --> 00:55:03,722
I love it so much. It's incredible.
1166
00:55:03,722 --> 00:55:06,808
Camp Rock, I remember a lot more than I do
1167
00:55:06,808 --> 00:55:08,059
- Camp Rock 2.
- [Alyson] Camp Rock 2.
1168
00:55:08,059 --> 00:55:10,270
And there were, like,
entire projects that...
1169
00:55:11,104 --> 00:55:14,900
- it was like, "Oh! That film." Like--
- [Demi] Yeah. Yeah.
1170
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:16,693
Disassociation.
1171
00:55:16,693 --> 00:55:19,905
It's, like, a common thread between--
1172
00:55:19,905 --> 00:55:21,615
- All of us. Yep.
- All of us.
1173
00:55:21,615 --> 00:55:24,826
Please welcome 10-year-old
hip-hop dancer Alyson Stoner.
1174
00:55:24,826 --> 00:55:28,413
- [audience cheering]
- [♪ hip-hop music playing]
1175
00:55:29,998 --> 00:55:32,667
- Congratulations on the, uh, on the video.
- [Alyson] Thank you.
1176
00:55:32,667 --> 00:55:33,919
Best Video of the Year.
1177
00:55:33,919 --> 00:55:35,003
Yes, that was very exciting.
1178
00:55:35,003 --> 00:55:36,838
[Ellen Degeneres]
I'll bet is was exciting!
1179
00:55:36,838 --> 00:55:38,089
Yes, it was, it was.
1180
00:55:38,089 --> 00:55:40,550
♪ I put my thang down,
flip it and reverse it ♪
1181
00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:42,385
[♪ singing in reverse]
1182
00:55:42,385 --> 00:55:44,846
I know I started dancing
around 3 years old,
1183
00:55:44,846 --> 00:55:47,933
and I just went straight to, like,
1184
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,602
treating it like work,
1185
00:55:50,602 --> 00:55:53,271
and so I think I was dissociated
1186
00:55:53,271 --> 00:55:55,106
kind of throughout the whole journey.
1187
00:55:55,106 --> 00:55:56,274
[audience cheering]
1188
00:55:56,274 --> 00:55:59,277
On the outside,
you look like everything's okay.
1189
00:55:59,277 --> 00:56:01,780
- [Demi] Yeah.
- And then years later,
1190
00:56:01,780 --> 00:56:04,282
you can't remember a thing.
1191
00:56:04,282 --> 00:56:05,408
[audio warbles]
1192
00:56:05,408 --> 00:56:08,119
[♪ gentle music playing]
1193
00:56:12,374 --> 00:56:14,251
- You've been working!
- [giggles] Yes!
1194
00:56:14,251 --> 00:56:16,670
[Raven] The first time I was
in front of a professional camera,
1195
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:18,588
I was 16 months old.
1196
00:56:18,588 --> 00:56:20,423
- [Demi] Sixteen--
- Do I remember it? Fuck no.
1197
00:56:20,423 --> 00:56:22,092
[both laughing]
1198
00:56:22,092 --> 00:56:25,053
Do I have the picture of it? Yes.
I'm, like, shirtless like this,
1199
00:56:25,053 --> 00:56:28,181
and my hair is big and fluffy,
but, um, I do not remember it.
1200
00:56:28,723 --> 00:56:31,643
- ♪ You got the right one, baby ♪
- [audience laughs]
1201
00:56:31,643 --> 00:56:33,520
- Do you remember working on the show?
- [mouthing]
1202
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,647
[Demi] No. Okay, wow.
1203
00:56:35,647 --> 00:56:38,149
It's disappearing every single day.
Back in the day,
1204
00:56:38,149 --> 00:56:41,361
probably if you would've asked me that
when I was 13, my answer was,
1205
00:56:41,361 --> 00:56:44,114
"I remember what the floor looked like.
I remember the smells."
1206
00:56:44,114 --> 00:56:46,658
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- But even that is a recall from a recall.
1207
00:56:46,658 --> 00:56:48,952
Like, nothing is a pure memory right now.
1208
00:56:48,952 --> 00:56:50,996
I also wanna talk about that a little bit.
1209
00:56:50,996 --> 00:56:53,123
Like, 'cause I don't--
1210
00:56:53,123 --> 00:56:55,375
You guest starred on my show
Sonny with a Chance.
1211
00:56:55,375 --> 00:56:56,459
Yes, I did.
1212
00:56:56,459 --> 00:56:58,879
I've completed my own investigation!
1213
00:56:58,879 --> 00:57:01,381
And my own conclusion is that you
1214
00:57:01,381 --> 00:57:03,758
- are a wackadoodle-doo.
- [audience laughter]
1215
00:57:03,758 --> 00:57:05,510
I'm a wackadoodle-who?
1216
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:06,678
Doo!
1217
00:57:06,678 --> 00:57:08,221
- What?!
- Whoa, hey! Okay, girls, girls, girls.
1218
00:57:08,221 --> 00:57:09,806
When we first got on the phone
1219
00:57:09,806 --> 00:57:13,143
to talk about this project,
you were like--
1220
00:57:13,143 --> 00:57:15,228
I was like, "I watched you
on That's so Raven,
1221
00:57:15,228 --> 00:57:18,440
such an inspiration." You were like,
"Bitch, I was on your show."
1222
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,151
- [Raven laughing]
- And I was like, "Oh, my God, she was!"
1223
00:57:21,151 --> 00:57:22,861
- [Raven] Yeah.
- And I--
1224
00:57:22,861 --> 00:57:26,031
But it was part of my disassociation
that I don't even remember
1225
00:57:26,031 --> 00:57:28,366
- so much of my show that I was on.
- [Raven] Yeah.
1226
00:57:28,366 --> 00:57:30,702
But I do remember how
difficult I was to work with
1227
00:57:30,702 --> 00:57:32,871
because I was in so much pain,
and I was hurting.
1228
00:57:32,871 --> 00:57:36,374
- I mean, you weren't the nicest person.
- [Demi] Right.
1229
00:57:36,374 --> 00:57:40,420
You weren't like, "Welcome!" You know?
You weren't doing that. But,
1230
00:57:41,546 --> 00:57:43,840
being the type of person I am
1231
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,468
and that I've been in the industry
for as long as you,
1232
00:57:46,468 --> 00:57:49,888
and I understand
the glaze over the eyes...
1233
00:57:49,888 --> 00:57:51,389
Mm.
1234
00:57:51,389 --> 00:57:52,933
[Raven] ...I didn't hold it against you.
1235
00:57:52,933 --> 00:57:54,142
- [Demi] Yeah.
- I just was like,
1236
00:57:54,142 --> 00:57:56,770
"Something's going on there."
1237
00:57:56,770 --> 00:57:58,730
- [crowd chattering]
- We love you!
1238
00:57:58,730 --> 00:58:01,483
[Demi] Aw, thank you. There we go.
1239
00:58:01,483 --> 00:58:04,569
- Uh, I took your pen. Sorry.
- [cheering]
1240
00:58:04,569 --> 00:58:06,863
It just kind of happened so fast.
1241
00:58:06,863 --> 00:58:11,201
Our stars have become true global
megastars since the first movie.
1242
00:58:11,952 --> 00:58:13,995
[Brooks] It must be overwhelming,
1243
00:58:13,995 --> 00:58:18,875
and a lot of these kids
come from normal backgrounds,
1244
00:58:18,875 --> 00:58:22,462
and the pressure can be
absolutely excruciating
1245
00:58:22,462 --> 00:58:25,465
to the point that some
don't cope all that well.
1246
00:58:28,093 --> 00:58:30,762
[Demi] I felt like more of
an equal when I did Camp Rock
1247
00:58:30,762 --> 00:58:32,973
because the first one,
we were all at The Grand.
1248
00:58:32,973 --> 00:58:36,351
- Okay, the memories are flooding! Um...
- [Demi laughs]
1249
00:58:36,351 --> 00:58:39,229
I do know that we had
a bunch of cast dinners
1250
00:58:39,229 --> 00:58:40,814
- at the restaurant.
- [Demi] Yes.
1251
00:58:40,814 --> 00:58:43,316
[♪ gentle music playing]
1252
00:58:43,316 --> 00:58:47,195
Then, my career exploded,
1253
00:58:48,488 --> 00:58:51,658
and all of a sudden,
I was staying at the Four Seasons.
1254
00:58:53,577 --> 00:58:58,707
There was definitely a power dynamic
and a shift in that.
1255
00:58:58,707 --> 00:59:01,418
When the second movie came,
it felt really validating
1256
00:59:01,418 --> 00:59:05,255
because I had been leveled up,
but I was trading connection for success.
1257
00:59:05,255 --> 00:59:07,382
[crowd cheering]
1258
00:59:07,966 --> 00:59:12,971
[Alyson] I remember that it felt so hard
to access you in that way.
1259
00:59:12,971 --> 00:59:15,640
- [Demi] Oh yeah.
- Like, we had lost that thread of trust.
1260
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,435
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- We had lost that closeness.
1261
00:59:18,435 --> 00:59:20,687
It didn't seem maybe like you wanted
1262
00:59:20,687 --> 00:59:22,731
- to be reached either at that point.
- Mm-hmm.
1263
00:59:22,731 --> 00:59:27,444
And so, the last few years
of working together
1264
00:59:28,194 --> 00:59:30,196
felt really challenging.
1265
00:59:31,156 --> 00:59:36,494
The... treatment did feel
drastically different.
1266
00:59:38,455 --> 00:59:41,541
[long sigh]
1267
00:59:41,541 --> 00:59:43,418
[weak laugh]
1268
00:59:44,502 --> 00:59:48,590
- My heart is racing.
- [Demi] [laughs] Oh, no!
1269
00:59:48,590 --> 00:59:53,887
Um, I do remember, you know,
a sense of walking on eggshells.
1270
00:59:53,887 --> 00:59:57,015
- Mm-hmm.
- And so there was definitely, like,
1271
00:59:57,766 --> 01:00:00,936
f-- a lot of fear of a blow-up.
1272
01:00:00,936 --> 01:00:03,104
I'm just trying to get stuff done,
but if you guys don't care--
1273
01:00:03,104 --> 01:00:04,898
Mitchie!
1274
01:00:04,898 --> 01:00:07,400
We all care. You gotta lighten up.
1275
01:00:08,151 --> 01:00:11,154
Really? And what will that get us?
1276
01:00:12,197 --> 01:00:16,159
I know that we both were
going through our own stuff,
1277
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:20,747
but it still didn't give me an excuse
to treat anyone poorly,
1278
01:00:20,747 --> 01:00:25,877
and so I just wanna genuinely,
deeply apologize for like any...
1279
01:00:26,586 --> 01:00:29,714
um, stress or any, like,
walking on eggshells,
1280
01:00:29,714 --> 01:00:30,840
any hurt feelings.
1281
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,093
Like, I'm genuinely so sorry for that.
1282
01:00:33,093 --> 01:00:34,928
- Thank you.
- [Demi] And I look back at that time,
1283
01:00:34,928 --> 01:00:37,764
and I have, like, profound sadness
'cause I'm like,
1284
01:00:37,764 --> 01:00:39,849
"How many people did I treat poorly?"
1285
01:00:41,101 --> 01:00:46,189
There are such big feelings that I've had
since you told me you were doing this.
1286
01:00:47,148 --> 01:00:51,027
I know that things that have
happened along the way, though,
1287
01:00:51,736 --> 01:00:55,657
certain excess and certain behaviors
and certain looking the other way
1288
01:00:55,657 --> 01:00:58,243
or certain... [punching palm]
...forcing things
1289
01:00:58,243 --> 01:01:01,538
has led to my own rebellion or downfall.
1290
01:01:01,955 --> 01:01:02,956
Um...
1291
01:01:03,665 --> 01:01:06,626
But, again, those were all my actions.
1292
01:01:06,626 --> 01:01:10,589
Those were my reactions.
That was my coping mechanisms.
1293
01:01:10,589 --> 01:01:14,050
I'm very accountable.
I don't blame other people.
1294
01:01:14,050 --> 01:01:15,385
Well...
1295
01:01:16,595 --> 01:01:19,890
it's hard to say that
you don't blame other people
1296
01:01:20,807 --> 01:01:23,143
when other people
1297
01:01:23,143 --> 01:01:25,729
may have been giving you
1298
01:01:25,729 --> 01:01:28,940
- substances as a kid.
- [Drew] Yeah, yeah.
1299
01:01:28,940 --> 01:01:32,193
Because at, at that age, at however old--
1300
01:01:32,193 --> 01:01:34,988
How old were you when you
were first given something?
1301
01:01:34,988 --> 01:01:36,281
[inhales]
1302
01:01:36,281 --> 01:01:40,327
I mean, I used to get high
with my mom's friend at, like...
1303
01:01:42,579 --> 01:01:45,165
- 10. You know?
- [Demi] Right.
1304
01:01:45,165 --> 01:01:50,503
And I thought she was so cool,
and she would give weed to me and her son.
1305
01:01:50,503 --> 01:01:52,005
- [Demi] Wow.
- Mm.
1306
01:01:52,589 --> 01:01:56,218
I would say it's hard
to not blame someone else
1307
01:01:56,218 --> 01:01:57,510
when you're 10 years old.
1308
01:01:58,053 --> 01:02:01,306
I mean, having
a 10-year-old daughter now, I--
1309
01:02:01,973 --> 01:02:03,808
I just, I--
1310
01:02:03,808 --> 01:02:05,894
It's unfathomable.
1311
01:02:05,894 --> 01:02:07,687
- [Demi] Right.
- Um...
1312
01:02:08,813 --> 01:02:12,609
But that's just how I grew up.
1313
01:02:12,609 --> 01:02:16,655
- [people cheering, club chatter]
- [♪ dance club music playing]
1314
01:02:19,658 --> 01:02:23,620
I immediately went right
to drugs and alcohol,
1315
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:26,623
uh, in my teens.
1316
01:02:26,623 --> 01:02:29,793
I don't remember it feeling
like there was any other way
1317
01:02:29,793 --> 01:02:32,087
- to be happy.
- [Demi] Right.
1318
01:02:32,087 --> 01:02:35,840
Um, and I would imagine,
too, if you felt like
1319
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,926
you had absolutely
no control over your life,
1320
01:02:37,926 --> 01:02:39,970
that's one of the few things
you had control over.
1321
01:02:39,970 --> 01:02:43,014
I would say,
"If you're gonna work me like an adult,
1322
01:02:43,014 --> 01:02:44,516
I'm gonna party like an adult."
1323
01:02:44,516 --> 01:02:46,101
I had to be so conscious
1324
01:02:46,101 --> 01:02:48,603
of everything that I did as a Disney kid.
1325
01:02:48,603 --> 01:02:51,982
You obviously couldn't
cuss or swear in public.
1326
01:02:51,982 --> 01:02:55,443
You couldn't be seen with red Solo cups
1327
01:02:55,443 --> 01:02:59,281
because it could insinuate
that there's alcohol in there.
1328
01:02:59,281 --> 01:03:00,949
- I actually remember that, too.
- [Demi] Yeah.
1329
01:03:00,949 --> 01:03:03,034
If you, if you had a Solo cup on set,
1330
01:03:03,034 --> 01:03:05,495
- it would be a whole thing.
- [Demi] Yeah, it was a whole thing,
1331
01:03:05,495 --> 01:03:07,122
- and so I never was photographed--
- So I put--
1332
01:03:07,122 --> 01:03:08,665
I put my booze in my Diet Coke can.
1333
01:03:08,665 --> 01:03:11,626
- [Demi] [laughs] I put it in a coffee cup!
- [laughs] Yes.
1334
01:03:11,626 --> 01:03:15,547
And I would say to my assistant,
"Can I have a warming Diet Coke, please?"
1335
01:03:15,547 --> 01:03:17,007
[both laugh]
1336
01:03:17,007 --> 01:03:21,011
[reporter] Teen star Demi Lovato's rise
to superstardom has taken a detour
1337
01:03:21,011 --> 01:03:22,971
straight to a treatment center.
1338
01:03:22,971 --> 01:03:26,057
[Demi] I knew I couldn't
show that I was drinking,
1339
01:03:26,057 --> 01:03:27,809
even though I was.
1340
01:03:27,809 --> 01:03:30,562
It just made me rebel even more.
1341
01:03:30,562 --> 01:03:34,316
There was a moment after the incident,
and you left tour where--
1342
01:03:34,316 --> 01:03:37,903
The incident, by the way,
just so that everyone is aware,
1343
01:03:37,903 --> 01:03:40,488
is when I...
1344
01:03:40,488 --> 01:03:42,574
had punched...
1345
01:03:42,574 --> 01:03:45,410
my backup dancer
while on tour in South America.
1346
01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:47,913
[indistinct chatter]
1347
01:03:47,913 --> 01:03:50,540
I got kicked off the tour, basically,
1348
01:03:50,540 --> 01:03:53,585
and I'm on my way home,
and we have a layover in Dallas,
1349
01:03:53,585 --> 01:03:55,587
and I'm like, "When do we land in LA?"
1350
01:03:55,587 --> 01:03:57,756
[♪ gentle music playing]
1351
01:03:57,756 --> 01:03:58,840
Wait.
1352
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,342
It turns out that they had set up
1353
01:04:00,342 --> 01:04:03,428
for me to go to treatment
in a suburb in Chicago.
1354
01:04:04,137 --> 01:04:06,973
It wasn't like a situation where it was
like I came to the conclusion
1355
01:04:06,973 --> 01:04:10,101
that I needed help.
It was like, "I'm getting punished.
1356
01:04:10,101 --> 01:04:13,146
This is the end of my career.
What did I just do?"
1357
01:04:13,146 --> 01:04:15,565
- [Alyson] Yeah.
- [Demi] And I felt so hopeless.
1358
01:04:15,565 --> 01:04:17,984
There were just these...
1359
01:04:17,984 --> 01:04:21,404
intense pressures that were incessant.
1360
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:24,991
[Demi] I mean,
I still think about what's on-brand.
1361
01:04:24,991 --> 01:04:26,076
[Alyson] Yeah.
1362
01:04:26,076 --> 01:04:28,411
[Demi] That's something that
I deal with to this day,
1363
01:04:28,995 --> 01:04:31,957
that teenage role model,
1364
01:04:31,957 --> 01:04:34,167
and those words should
never be put together,
1365
01:04:34,167 --> 01:04:35,835
teenage role model.
1366
01:04:35,835 --> 01:04:38,088
Together, we'll save the planet,
one friend at a time.
1367
01:04:38,088 --> 01:04:41,550
[♪ uplifting PSA music playing]
1368
01:04:42,509 --> 01:04:46,012
[Mathew]
There becomes a point where the kids
1369
01:04:46,012 --> 01:04:49,182
are not just characters
that they're playing.
1370
01:04:49,182 --> 01:04:51,476
They are role models.
1371
01:04:51,476 --> 01:04:53,228
First starts in the '90s.
1372
01:04:53,228 --> 01:04:54,563
Welcome to the Mickey Mouse Club.
1373
01:04:54,563 --> 01:04:57,774
[Mathew] It's not just,
"I'm an actor on this show."
1374
01:04:57,774 --> 01:05:00,485
It becomes, "I am this character.
1375
01:05:00,485 --> 01:05:02,571
I am this brand."
1376
01:05:02,571 --> 01:05:05,448
And it really shoots off
into the stratosphere
1377
01:05:05,448 --> 01:05:08,410
with the idea of the superstar pop idol.
1378
01:05:08,410 --> 01:05:10,453
[soda can pops, hissing]
1379
01:05:10,453 --> 01:05:13,665
[♪ dramatic music playing]
1380
01:05:14,124 --> 01:05:16,960
That includes, "Buy this stuff."
1381
01:05:18,253 --> 01:05:21,548
Or, "Buy what I'm wearing."
It becomes unprecedented
1382
01:05:21,548 --> 01:05:23,133
in a way that you just couldn't do before.
1383
01:05:24,009 --> 01:05:26,469
[Leah] When we think about child stars,
1384
01:05:26,469 --> 01:05:28,763
really what is gonna set them apart
1385
01:05:28,763 --> 01:05:33,101
is not that they have the best soprano
you've ever heard in a child.
1386
01:05:33,101 --> 01:05:36,688
[presenter]
Four sizes. 12 inches, 15 inches,
1387
01:05:36,688 --> 01:05:39,024
17 inches, and 19 inches.
1388
01:05:39,024 --> 01:05:43,069
[Leah] It's going to be
that the adults around them
1389
01:05:43,069 --> 01:05:46,448
are building an empire
1390
01:05:46,448 --> 01:05:50,076
that is designed to turn them
into, really, a vehicle
1391
01:05:50,076 --> 01:05:54,122
for advertising,
product placement, and viewership.
1392
01:05:57,334 --> 01:06:00,045
[Brooks] At its peak,
Hannah Montana was generating
1393
01:06:00,045 --> 01:06:03,840
about a billion dollars from
many different revenue points,
1394
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,092
but that is the type of money
1395
01:06:06,092 --> 01:06:09,679
that not just the channel executives
pay attention to.
1396
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:13,725
Wall Street analysts ask executives
about it on their earnings calls.
1397
01:06:13,725 --> 01:06:17,062
The board of the company is aware of it,
1398
01:06:17,062 --> 01:06:21,066
and that's a whole different
level of pressure and scrutiny.
1399
01:06:21,066 --> 01:06:24,361
Disney Best in Breed in the media group.
We're gonna talk about that. Bill?
1400
01:06:24,361 --> 01:06:26,863
[overlapping financial chatter]
1401
01:06:26,863 --> 01:06:28,949
[♪ "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"
by Paul Dukas playing]
1402
01:06:28,949 --> 01:06:33,370
[Brooks] As the conglomerates grow,
they become multinational behemoths.
1403
01:06:33,370 --> 01:06:35,538
♪
1404
01:06:35,538 --> 01:06:38,750
Viacom owns MTV, BET, VH1,
1405
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:41,670
Country Music Network, Nickelodeon.
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01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:44,548
The CEO of the company in 2010 told me
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01:06:44,548 --> 01:06:48,301
that there was no more important
component than Nickelodeon.
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01:06:48,301 --> 01:06:52,347
It was the cash cow.
It was what drove the entire company.
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01:06:53,473 --> 01:06:56,643
[facilitator 1] Good day everyone,
and welcome to the Viacom conference call.
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01:06:56,643 --> 01:06:59,938
[executive] We've seen robust
audience engagement with kids.
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01:06:59,938 --> 01:07:01,398
Our strategy is working.
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01:07:01,982 --> 01:07:04,859
We're investing in content
with a disciplined approach.
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01:07:04,859 --> 01:07:06,278
We have a lot in the pipeline.
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01:07:06,278 --> 01:07:08,196
[facilitator 2]
Good day, ladies and gentlemen,
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01:07:08,196 --> 01:07:09,739
and welcome to the Walt Disney
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01:07:09,739 --> 01:07:12,909
second quarter 2009
earnings conference call.
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01:07:12,909 --> 01:07:14,744
[participant] [on phone]
Be great if you could comment
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01:07:14,744 --> 01:07:17,038
on how strong you feel like
the upcoming content cycle is
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01:07:17,038 --> 01:07:20,041
at Disney Channel.
We've had such a great run,
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01:07:20,041 --> 01:07:22,377
and particularly in summer with
High School Musical
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01:07:22,377 --> 01:07:23,879
and years ago with Cheetah Girls...
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01:07:23,879 --> 01:07:25,463
[chatter fades out]
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01:07:26,497 --> 01:07:28,550
[♪ music swells]
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01:07:31,553 --> 01:07:34,806
[Brooks] These shows generally
run for about four years,
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01:07:34,806 --> 01:07:37,893
tape about 100 episodes,
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01:07:37,893 --> 01:07:41,229
and at the beginning,
the child star and their family
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01:07:41,229 --> 01:07:43,732
is extremely grateful, right?
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01:07:43,732 --> 01:07:45,650
"All of a sudden, I'm a star."
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01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:48,862
And toward the end,
they're starting to think about
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01:07:48,862 --> 01:07:52,490
what, what my next career move might be,
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01:07:52,490 --> 01:07:56,828
and they want things that
the brand might not want.
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01:07:56,828 --> 01:07:59,164
You all are gonna freak out.
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01:07:59,164 --> 01:08:02,083
They want to age into
a new type of entertainment.
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01:08:02,083 --> 01:08:03,877
That was what Miley Cyrus
was doing, right?
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01:08:03,877 --> 01:08:06,087
♪
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01:08:06,087 --> 01:08:09,925
"I'm not a nerdy 13-year-old anymore.
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01:08:09,925 --> 01:08:12,302
"I'm becoming an adult.
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01:08:12,302 --> 01:08:14,971
I have other aspirations than
being on Disney Channel."
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01:08:14,971 --> 01:08:16,848
[indistinct chatter]
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01:08:16,848 --> 01:08:20,310
That became a five-alarm fire for Disney.
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01:08:20,977 --> 01:08:24,940
When something like that happens,
it's a very big operation.
1442
01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:28,151
Hundreds of people are, are trying
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01:08:28,151 --> 01:08:31,196
to keep these properties,
really, on track.
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01:08:31,196 --> 01:08:33,949
- [♪ JoJo humming]
- [overlapping set chatter]
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01:08:33,949 --> 01:08:37,202
[JoJo] Basically, I signed
an umbrella deal for everything,
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01:08:37,202 --> 01:08:40,997
so they owned all my rights to everything
except for social media.
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01:08:40,997 --> 01:08:43,041
We were very smart to be
able to keep that separate.
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01:08:43,041 --> 01:08:47,170
But, if I had, like, a brand deal,
I had to get it approved by Nickelodeon.
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01:08:47,170 --> 01:08:48,505
- Okay.
- So, that was always, yeah.
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01:08:48,505 --> 01:08:50,757
But, they own everything.
1451
01:08:52,467 --> 01:08:55,804
When I was 17,
it just became something that
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01:08:55,804 --> 01:08:58,890
I didn't wanna be
a part of at all anymore,
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01:08:58,890 --> 01:09:02,352
would do anything I could
to break away from it, get out of it.
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01:09:02,352 --> 01:09:04,771
Always people would ask me like,
1455
01:09:04,771 --> 01:09:08,316
"Are you-- Are you gay?"
And I would just be like,
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01:09:08,316 --> 01:09:10,110
"I don't really, like,
think I'm anything."
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01:09:10,110 --> 01:09:12,404
- [slurping]
- [phone ringing]
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01:09:12,404 --> 01:09:14,197
It was like 2:00 in the morning,
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01:09:14,197 --> 01:09:15,699
I was on FaceTime with my girlfriend,
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01:09:15,699 --> 01:09:17,492
and I did a video singing Born This Way.
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01:09:17,492 --> 01:09:21,079
♪ No matter gay, straight, or bi,
lesbian, transgender life ♪
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01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:24,499
♪ I'm on the right track, baby,
I was born to survive ♪
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01:09:24,499 --> 01:09:26,710
And I was like, "I think I wanna
put this on my Reels Story,"
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01:09:26,710 --> 01:09:28,920
'cause it was all my close friends.
She's like, "Okay, do it."
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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,922
Boop, that was it.
Fell asleep, woke up the next morning
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01:09:30,922 --> 01:09:32,883
and was like, "Oh, my God!"
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01:09:32,883 --> 01:09:36,136
[phone notifications pinging]
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01:09:36,136 --> 01:09:38,555
I didn't realize, I guess,
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01:09:38,555 --> 01:09:42,350
that, like, no child star,
as still a child star,
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01:09:42,350 --> 01:09:44,436
has ever come out before.
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01:09:44,436 --> 01:09:47,272
The president of the network called me
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01:09:47,272 --> 01:09:50,025
and was like,
"What are we gonna tell the kids?"
1473
01:09:50,025 --> 01:09:51,318
And I was like, "What do you mean?"
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01:09:51,318 --> 01:09:54,321
And he was like, "What are we gonna tell
kids and parents?" And I was like,
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01:09:54,321 --> 01:09:55,739
[stammers]
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01:09:55,739 --> 01:09:56,990
again, like, "What do you mean?"
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01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:59,367
And he was like,
"What are we gonna tell them about this?"
1478
01:09:59,367 --> 01:10:01,494
And I was like, "That I'm happy?
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01:10:01,494 --> 01:10:04,122
"That I, like am... [stammers]
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01:10:04,122 --> 01:10:06,499
"What? Like, you want me to tell 'em
that I'm making out with a girl?
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01:10:06,499 --> 01:10:08,126
- I'm not gonna tell them that!"
- [Demi] Yeah.
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01:10:08,126 --> 01:10:10,545
But, like, you want me-- Like...
[stammers] I don't know.
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01:10:10,545 --> 01:10:13,798
And he was like, "Well, you need
to have a call with every retailer
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01:10:13,798 --> 01:10:16,176
and tell 'em that you're not going crazy."
1485
01:10:16,176 --> 01:10:19,596
- I was like, "Okay. Like, alright, sick."
- [Demi] Going crazy.
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01:10:19,596 --> 01:10:21,598
Going crazy.
Came out, came out, going crazy.
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01:10:21,598 --> 01:10:24,559
And I, I-- So I did, and I had
a call with every retailer,
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01:10:24,559 --> 01:10:28,104
Target, Walmart, JCPenney,
Toys R Us, Claire's,
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01:10:28,104 --> 01:10:30,565
Justice, every retailer at the time.
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01:10:30,565 --> 01:10:33,151
And Amazon, had a call with them.
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01:10:33,151 --> 01:10:35,237
Oh, my God, I can't imagine.
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01:10:35,237 --> 01:10:38,365
And everything,
everything after I came out
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01:10:38,365 --> 01:10:40,242
was, like, changed.
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01:10:40,242 --> 01:10:42,244
The way they communicated with me changed.
1495
01:10:42,244 --> 01:10:44,204
The way they worked with me changed.
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01:10:44,204 --> 01:10:47,707
The way they developed my work changed.
Everything changed.
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01:10:47,707 --> 01:10:50,085
I remember they had
the Kids' Choice Awards,
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01:10:50,085 --> 01:10:53,630
and I, for the last seven years,
like, have done everything
1499
01:10:53,630 --> 01:10:55,090
for the Kids' Choice Awards.
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01:10:55,090 --> 01:10:58,218
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- [Jojo] Performed, hosted,
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01:10:58,218 --> 01:11:01,388
nominated, won, presented,
like done it all.
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01:11:01,388 --> 01:11:03,682
♪ I'ma come back like a boomerang ♪
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01:11:03,682 --> 01:11:05,141
A lot of you have been asking me
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01:11:05,141 --> 01:11:09,104
why I'm not at the Nickelodeon
Kids' Choice Awards tonight,
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01:11:09,104 --> 01:11:11,356
and the answer is very simple.
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01:11:11,356 --> 01:11:13,775
I wasn't invited.
1507
01:11:13,775 --> 01:11:16,152
I'm not sure why,
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01:11:16,152 --> 01:11:18,238
but I just didn't get an invite.
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01:11:18,238 --> 01:11:20,740
I basically got, like, blackballed
from the company.
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01:11:20,740 --> 01:11:23,577
[♪ soft music playing]
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01:11:23,577 --> 01:11:26,162
They said that it was, like, an accident.
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01:11:26,830 --> 01:11:28,832
And I don't know. It--
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01:11:29,416 --> 01:11:31,418
I guess I just didn't realize, like,
1514
01:11:32,168 --> 01:11:34,379
- how young I was.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
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01:11:34,379 --> 01:11:37,632
How "scary" it was supposed to be.
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01:11:37,632 --> 01:11:39,801
But I think it's the best thing
that I could've ever done.
1517
01:11:39,801 --> 01:11:42,053
I don't think coming out
should be a scary thing.
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01:11:42,053 --> 01:11:43,388
- [Demi] Right.
- I wish it wasn't.
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01:11:43,388 --> 01:11:45,432
I wish there wasn't that stigma around it,
1520
01:11:45,432 --> 01:11:46,975
- but there is.
- [Demi] Right.
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01:11:46,975 --> 01:11:49,686
My parents were like, "We knew." I was
like, "Alright, you knew. Okay, for sure."
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01:11:49,686 --> 01:11:52,397
- Right.
- But, like, if you pass through
1523
01:11:52,397 --> 01:11:55,317
the industry mask, you still have to meet
1524
01:11:55,317 --> 01:11:57,152
the mask that's
the gay person that's like,
1525
01:11:57,152 --> 01:11:59,988
"Oh, you not getting past
this one to find the real me."
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01:11:59,988 --> 01:12:01,448
- Right.
- [Raven] "This is mine to hold."
1527
01:12:01,448 --> 01:12:03,533
And that one, no one saw,
1528
01:12:03,533 --> 01:12:05,952
probably... yeah.
1529
01:12:05,952 --> 01:12:09,080
- For-for-for-for-for a long time.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
1530
01:12:10,248 --> 01:12:13,752
There was a moment in my life when I got
asked if I wanted to stop the industry.
1531
01:12:14,836 --> 01:12:18,089
But it was, like, second season of
That's So Raven.
1532
01:12:18,089 --> 01:12:21,343
- It was, like, third album.
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
1533
01:12:21,343 --> 01:12:23,887
And I'm like, "Why would you
ask me that question now?
1534
01:12:23,887 --> 01:12:25,847
"Just to make me feel bad to say yes
1535
01:12:25,847 --> 01:12:28,308
when you know I don't really
wanna be here right now?" [laughs]
1536
01:12:28,308 --> 01:12:31,102
[♪ gentle music playing]
1537
01:12:35,106 --> 01:12:37,234
[Demi] I didn't know that
you could take time off
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01:12:37,234 --> 01:12:40,320
because no one told me.
1539
01:12:41,613 --> 01:12:42,781
[crowd cheering]
1540
01:12:42,781 --> 01:12:46,576
At one point,
I played 70 shows in 90 days.
1541
01:12:47,327 --> 01:12:49,537
I was gonna have two nights off,
1542
01:12:49,537 --> 01:12:52,540
and then, when push came to shove,
1543
01:12:53,291 --> 01:12:57,128
they were like, "We need those two days
of rehearsals for the movie."
1544
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,383
People are going to milk
all of your light out of you
1545
01:13:01,383 --> 01:13:03,552
because, "You're young
and you have the energy,"
1546
01:13:03,552 --> 01:13:05,053
- but you do not.
- [Demi] Right.
1547
01:13:05,053 --> 01:13:06,680
You're still a human.
1548
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,558
- When I look back, when I was working...
- [Raven] Mm-hmm.
1549
01:13:09,558 --> 01:13:11,851
...I was undiagnosed bipolar.
1550
01:13:12,686 --> 01:13:15,313
I dealt with depression.
I dealt with all these things,
1551
01:13:15,313 --> 01:13:17,983
- and I also had a eating disorder...
- [Raven] Yeah.
1552
01:13:17,983 --> 01:13:20,735
...and was binge drinking on the weekends.
1553
01:13:20,735 --> 01:13:23,363
- Ooh, girl.
- [Demi] And yeah, I was a mess, and--
1554
01:13:23,363 --> 01:13:26,116
- What age? Underage?
- [Demi] This was, yeah, underage.
1555
01:13:26,116 --> 01:13:27,200
Damn!
1556
01:13:28,201 --> 01:13:31,079
[Demi] It was the escapism that
I was chasing because I couldn't...
1557
01:13:31,079 --> 01:13:33,456
find time off.
1558
01:13:33,456 --> 01:13:37,002
[reporters chattering]
1559
01:13:37,002 --> 01:13:38,587
This is a cry for help.
1560
01:13:38,587 --> 01:13:40,338
We're gonna be doing
the Lindsay Lohan walk.
1561
01:13:40,338 --> 01:13:42,257
We're gonna be doing
the Paris Hilton walk.
1562
01:13:42,257 --> 01:13:45,969
[reporter] Lovato's troubles bring to mind
the problems of another Disney star.
1563
01:13:45,969 --> 01:13:49,222
[Alyson]
There's actually research there that shows
1564
01:13:49,222 --> 01:13:52,517
people who experience fame
have an average lifespan
1565
01:13:52,517 --> 01:13:56,271
that's 14 years younger
than non-famous people
1566
01:13:56,271 --> 01:14:01,109
due to the rate of
mental health struggles...
1567
01:14:01,109 --> 01:14:03,945
- [Demi] Mm-hmm.
- ...and that a famous person
1568
01:14:03,945 --> 01:14:07,282
is four times more likely
to die by suicide.
1569
01:14:07,282 --> 01:14:12,370
And that fame also has,
uh, addictive properties,
1570
01:14:12,370 --> 01:14:15,457
- uh, similar to substances.
- [muffled crowd screaming]
1571
01:14:16,791 --> 01:14:18,793
So, if that's the case,
1572
01:14:19,377 --> 01:14:24,591
why are we hooking a child to a drug
1573
01:14:24,591 --> 01:14:26,885
that's fundamentally altering
1574
01:14:26,885 --> 01:14:30,472
their brain chemistry
and future development?
1575
01:14:32,849 --> 01:14:35,227
[reporter 1]
Sweet 16, screen star Judy Garland
1576
01:14:35,227 --> 01:14:39,606
cuts her birthday cake at a party
given by film chief Louis B. Mayer
1577
01:14:39,606 --> 01:14:41,858
and attended by Hollywood's younger set,
1578
01:14:41,858 --> 01:14:44,945
including irrepressible Mickey Rooney.
1579
01:14:44,945 --> 01:14:47,072
[♪ somber music playing]
1580
01:14:47,072 --> 01:14:48,823
[reporter 2]
Judy Garland's daughter Liza Minnelli
1581
01:14:48,823 --> 01:14:50,951
had requested that
her mother's funeral be held
1582
01:14:50,951 --> 01:14:53,078
in as dignified a manner as possible.
1583
01:14:53,078 --> 01:14:55,038
Some of the thousands of people
who came today...
1584
01:14:55,038 --> 01:14:58,541
[♪ somber music continues]
1585
01:14:58,541 --> 01:14:59,793
[Demi] Finding drugs was easy.
1586
01:15:01,002 --> 01:15:03,505
That was the only way
I knew how to escape.
1587
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,717
But I was dealing with something that I--
1588
01:15:07,717 --> 01:15:09,844
that was much bigger
than what I could see.
1589
01:15:09,844 --> 01:15:11,429
[lights snapping]
1590
01:15:11,429 --> 01:15:14,266
- [♪ somber music continues]
- [muffled crowd cheering]
1591
01:15:14,266 --> 01:15:15,559
[sirens wailing]
1592
01:15:15,559 --> 01:15:18,395
[Joaquin Phoenix] [on phone] I think
it's Valium or something, I don't know.
1593
01:15:18,395 --> 01:15:21,356
[reporter 1] Hollywood is mourning
one of its brightest young stars,
1594
01:15:21,356 --> 01:15:24,609
23-year-old River Phoenix,
who collapsed and died
1595
01:15:24,609 --> 01:15:27,696
outside a Hollywood nightclub
early on Sunday morning.
1596
01:15:27,696 --> 01:15:30,448
[overlapping reporter chatter]
1597
01:15:30,448 --> 01:15:33,034
Lee Thompson Young was found dead.
1598
01:15:33,034 --> 01:15:36,371
[reporter 2] Pop star Aaron Carter
has died at the age of 34.
1599
01:15:36,371 --> 01:15:39,666
[reporter 3] The troubled performer
grew up in the limelight...
1600
01:15:39,666 --> 01:15:42,335
[Demi] I was so unhappy
and in the muck of it all.
1601
01:15:42,335 --> 01:15:44,880
- [echoing beep]
- [operator] [phone] About how old is she?
1602
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,798
[caller] [phone] We just need
to get somebody out here.
1603
01:15:46,798 --> 01:15:49,593
[operator] [phone] Hang in there, okay?
We're on our way. Stay with the patient.
1604
01:15:49,593 --> 01:15:51,344
I'm gonna remain on the line
with you all the way
1605
01:15:51,344 --> 01:15:54,347
- until the paramedics arrive, okay?
- [constant ringing]
1606
01:15:54,347 --> 01:15:55,807
[Demi] I get a lot of anxiety
1607
01:15:55,807 --> 01:15:58,727
when I think of how close
I came to not being here at all.
1608
01:15:58,727 --> 01:16:01,438
- [ringing continues]
- [echoing beep]
1609
01:16:01,438 --> 01:16:04,524
- [inaudible]
- [EKG flatlining]
1610
01:16:06,192 --> 01:16:07,569
I just tapped out.
1611
01:16:09,112 --> 01:16:12,115
[ringing slowly fades out]
1612
01:16:12,115 --> 01:16:15,201
[static crackling]
1613
01:16:18,246 --> 01:16:21,207
[insects chirping]
1614
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:36,806
We don't have to start with this one.
1615
01:16:36,806 --> 01:16:40,060
I did get you some other ones
that I think that you will like,
1616
01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:41,645
- specifically this one.
- [Demi gasps]
1617
01:16:41,645 --> 01:16:44,439
Oh, my God! Well, we have to do this one!
1618
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,858
[Madison] That's what I was thinking.
1619
01:16:46,858 --> 01:16:48,610
We gotta start with the edges.
1620
01:16:48,610 --> 01:16:50,487
[puzzle pieces clicking]
1621
01:16:51,154 --> 01:16:54,282
[Demi]
I feel like I didn't see you very much
1622
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,995
- for a few years of my life.
- Yeah.
1623
01:16:58,995 --> 01:17:03,667
And I feel like I didn't anybody very much
except for the people I was working with,
1624
01:17:03,667 --> 01:17:06,461
but especially when you were on
Desperate Housewives
1625
01:17:06,461 --> 01:17:08,713
- and I was doing Sonny with a Chance.
- [Madison] Yeah.
1626
01:17:08,713 --> 01:17:09,798
How's that one fit?
1627
01:17:09,798 --> 01:17:11,967
Oh, I think we're gonna
need the next size up.
1628
01:17:11,967 --> 01:17:13,051
[clears throat]
1629
01:17:15,136 --> 01:17:17,597
There is no next size up.
1630
01:17:17,597 --> 01:17:19,975
They don't make princess dresses
for girls over 7.
1631
01:17:19,975 --> 01:17:21,643
She's only 4 and a half.
1632
01:17:22,519 --> 01:17:24,104
Oh...
1633
01:17:24,104 --> 01:17:25,188
Wow.
1634
01:17:25,188 --> 01:17:26,815
[Demi] Did you ever think,
1635
01:17:26,815 --> 01:17:30,277
looking back on being
on Desperate Housewives,
1636
01:17:30,277 --> 01:17:33,530
- where it was so body shaming...
- Yeah.
1637
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:36,533
...that we had a mom
with an eating disorder.
1638
01:17:37,075 --> 01:17:39,995
I had an eating disorder,
and here you were in this position.
1639
01:17:39,995 --> 01:17:41,621
Like, did that ever occur to you?
1640
01:17:41,621 --> 01:17:43,957
I'm kind of realizing it now,
but at the time,
1641
01:17:43,957 --> 01:17:45,750
I don't think any of us truly realized
1642
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:47,836
that what was happening
1643
01:17:48,587 --> 01:17:50,422
with us was...
1644
01:17:51,131 --> 01:17:52,132
an eating disorder.
1645
01:17:56,261 --> 01:17:58,179
I don't know, it makes me a little sad.
1646
01:17:58,179 --> 01:18:00,181
Yeah, it makes me sad, too.
1647
01:18:00,181 --> 01:18:02,100
That this was something
1648
01:18:02,100 --> 01:18:05,020
that we were all
battling with individually
1649
01:18:05,645 --> 01:18:07,939
while standing next to each other.
1650
01:18:07,939 --> 01:18:10,317
- Yeah.
- Especially because...
1651
01:18:10,317 --> 01:18:11,818
[♪ soft music playing]
1652
01:18:11,818 --> 01:18:16,239
...that was originally the focus
of my role on Desperate Housewives,
1653
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:17,866
and then, eventually,
1654
01:18:17,866 --> 01:18:20,660
turned into the focus of my life.
1655
01:18:20,660 --> 01:18:22,454
- Mm-hmm.
- [Madison] And...
1656
01:18:23,038 --> 01:18:27,375
I somehow believed
that I was struggling with this
1657
01:18:27,375 --> 01:18:29,878
completely and entirely on my own.
1658
01:18:29,878 --> 01:18:31,630
Yeah, I felt like I was, too.
1659
01:18:31,630 --> 01:18:34,007
Which was just not the case at all.
1660
01:18:34,007 --> 01:18:38,303
Mm-mm. We didn't see much of each other
'cause we both had our own schedules.
1661
01:18:38,303 --> 01:18:40,847
Right, and we were
constantly missing each other.
1662
01:18:40,847 --> 01:18:42,515
- [Demi] Yeah.
- Constantly.
1663
01:18:42,515 --> 01:18:45,644
I mean, if I wasn't working,
you were working.
1664
01:18:45,644 --> 01:18:47,437
We didn't really get
1665
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:51,441
summers as sisters
1666
01:18:51,441 --> 01:18:53,985
once we moved to LA.
1667
01:18:53,985 --> 01:18:55,487
I would love to make up for lost time,
1668
01:18:55,487 --> 01:18:57,781
even though it's been so long.
1669
01:18:59,824 --> 01:19:02,494
- Well, look at that!
- [Madison] We did it.
1670
01:19:02,494 --> 01:19:05,789
So, that's how big the puzzle is,
in case you were wondering.
1671
01:19:05,789 --> 01:19:07,791
- [Demi] I'm so proud of us.
- [Madison giggles]
1672
01:19:07,791 --> 01:19:12,921
How do you understand
what is real and important
1673
01:19:14,339 --> 01:19:16,967
and going to feed you and nourish you,
1674
01:19:16,967 --> 01:19:19,427
and what is the candy?
1675
01:19:19,427 --> 01:19:22,764
I now am kind of reprogramming my brain.
1676
01:19:22,764 --> 01:19:25,725
- [Drew] Yep.
- Trying to change things that I learned
1677
01:19:25,725 --> 01:19:28,144
- as a child star.
- 100%.
1678
01:19:28,144 --> 01:19:30,855
It's deprogramming, reprogramming.
1679
01:19:30,855 --> 01:19:32,732
- Yeah.
- [Drew] I hope I'm not overstepping,
1680
01:19:32,732 --> 01:19:35,569
but you looked at that overdose and said,
1681
01:19:35,569 --> 01:19:37,904
"I will not go down this way.
1682
01:19:37,904 --> 01:19:41,074
I won't go down at all.
I'm gonna actually rise."
1683
01:19:41,074 --> 01:19:42,158
Yeah.
1684
01:19:42,158 --> 01:19:44,703
[Drew] "And I'm gonna
come out of this triumphant."
1685
01:19:44,703 --> 01:19:46,413
[♪ soft music playing]
1686
01:19:46,413 --> 01:19:48,832
I can't believe how much I respect life
1687
01:19:48,832 --> 01:19:51,501
knowing that I disrespected it
so many times.
1688
01:19:52,794 --> 01:19:55,672
I think there was plenty of my life
1689
01:19:55,672 --> 01:19:58,550
where I was a human
walking cautionary tale.
1690
01:19:58,550 --> 01:20:00,677
I have done shit no one knows I did
1691
01:20:00,677 --> 01:20:03,847
that is so crazy
that somehow nobody found out about,
1692
01:20:03,847 --> 01:20:06,641
and it's because we all had more anonymity
1693
01:20:06,641 --> 01:20:10,854
before social media,
especially before cell phones.
1694
01:20:10,854 --> 01:20:12,689
- Right, right.
- Oh, my God!
1695
01:20:12,689 --> 01:20:14,733
That's just the world we live in
1696
01:20:14,733 --> 01:20:17,402
- and a whole new trade.
- [Demi] Right.
1697
01:20:17,402 --> 01:20:23,325
A whole new world
of a job opportunity that's been created.
1698
01:20:23,325 --> 01:20:27,871
And then, that goes in with, like, likes
or "followers,"
1699
01:20:28,246 --> 01:20:33,001
um, how valuable one is.
1700
01:20:35,170 --> 01:20:38,423
When I was really young, I was 13,
I got addicted to numbers.
1701
01:20:38,423 --> 01:20:39,966
And so, I would see my YouTube channel,
1702
01:20:39,966 --> 01:20:42,385
and I would see how many views I got,
1703
01:20:42,385 --> 01:20:43,845
and I would see how much money it made,
1704
01:20:43,845 --> 01:20:46,097
six digits a month easily.
1705
01:20:46,097 --> 01:20:48,016
And I would see how many
subscribers it gained,
1706
01:20:48,016 --> 01:20:49,351
and then I wanted to beat it,
1707
01:20:49,351 --> 01:20:50,894
- and then I wanted to beat it.
- [Demi] Right.
1708
01:20:50,894 --> 01:20:53,396
[Jojo] And then I wouldn't beat it,
and I would go crazy.
1709
01:20:53,396 --> 01:20:54,773
- [Demi] Okay.
- Do you do Snapchat?
1710
01:20:54,773 --> 01:20:56,524
I don't.
1711
01:20:56,524 --> 01:20:58,818
Do you know how many people would die
1712
01:20:58,818 --> 01:21:01,738
to see you getting ready in the morning?
1713
01:21:01,738 --> 01:21:04,241
- [Demi] Yeah.
- You eating lunch,
1714
01:21:04,241 --> 01:21:05,742
- like, you know what I mean?
- [laughs]
1715
01:21:05,742 --> 01:21:08,203
I do it on a very extreme level.
1716
01:21:08,203 --> 01:21:10,997
I post 250 to 300 things a day on there.
1717
01:21:11,665 --> 01:21:12,666
Uh-huh.
1718
01:21:12,666 --> 01:21:15,293
- It's nuts.
- It's so much work!
1719
01:21:15,293 --> 01:21:19,047
[JoJo] It's so much work,
and my whole day is filmed.
1720
01:21:19,047 --> 01:21:20,131
Gimme your take on this.
1721
01:21:20,131 --> 01:21:21,800
Everything I eat is filmed.
1722
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,803
Every song I sing in the car is filmed.
Everything I do gets picked apart.
1723
01:21:24,803 --> 01:21:27,472
Everything I do gets talked about.
1724
01:21:27,472 --> 01:21:30,684
There's nothing left for me
at the end of the day.
1725
01:21:30,684 --> 01:21:34,271
[set chatter]
1726
01:21:38,984 --> 01:21:40,735
[overlapping greetings]
1727
01:21:40,735 --> 01:21:44,322
- Hi! How are you?
- [excited chatter]
1728
01:21:44,322 --> 01:21:45,824
Nice to meet you guys.
1729
01:21:45,824 --> 01:21:47,450
[overlapping greetings]
1730
01:21:47,450 --> 01:21:49,411
- First of all, welcome. Great to see you.
- Thank you.
1731
01:21:49,411 --> 01:21:51,580
So, Demi, I'm curious,
when you first heard
1732
01:21:51,580 --> 01:21:53,331
that there were gonna
be a bunch of kids here,
1733
01:21:53,331 --> 01:21:55,083
and you were gonna be
talking to these kids,
1734
01:21:55,083 --> 01:21:56,459
what went through your head?
1735
01:21:56,459 --> 01:21:58,920
Oh, just joy.
1736
01:21:59,838 --> 01:22:02,465
I wish that I had been
able to ask questions
1737
01:22:02,465 --> 01:22:05,969
to somebody in the industry
when I was first starting out.
1738
01:22:05,969 --> 01:22:08,221
I didn't know what
I was getting myself into...
1739
01:22:08,221 --> 01:22:10,557
- Mm-hmm.
- ...and I didn't have a mentor.
1740
01:22:10,557 --> 01:22:12,309
There wasn't any guidance,
1741
01:22:12,309 --> 01:22:18,189
and there definitely is not a manual
on how to navigate this industry
1742
01:22:18,189 --> 01:22:20,108
- at such a young age.
- [Chris Smith] Yeah.
1743
01:22:20,108 --> 01:22:23,862
Like, obviously, you wanna make
a great film, TV show, or commercial,
1744
01:22:23,862 --> 01:22:26,656
but what matters is your well-being
1745
01:22:26,656 --> 01:22:29,117
and the other things in your life
1746
01:22:29,117 --> 01:22:31,161
- like family and friends.
- Hmm.
1747
01:22:31,161 --> 01:22:32,871
- That's what really matters.
- [Chris Smith] Yeah.
1748
01:22:32,871 --> 01:22:36,416
Today, being in the public eye,
social media is so common,
1749
01:22:36,416 --> 01:22:38,793
no matter what you do,
it's, like, seen right away,
1750
01:22:38,793 --> 01:22:40,879
and everyone has
something to say about it.
1751
01:22:40,879 --> 01:22:44,132
When you were going through it
at such a young age, what--
1752
01:22:44,132 --> 01:22:46,468
how did you feel about it
and how'd you deal with it?
1753
01:22:46,468 --> 01:22:49,888
I can't imagine growing up
with TikTok at your age.
1754
01:22:49,888 --> 01:22:51,973
[soft laughter]
1755
01:22:51,973 --> 01:22:54,684
There's so much pressure
to make things go viral
1756
01:22:54,684 --> 01:22:56,728
and to look a certain way.
1757
01:22:56,728 --> 01:22:58,772
It's just, it's really tough.
1758
01:22:58,772 --> 01:23:01,858
[♪ soft music playing]
1759
01:23:03,235 --> 01:23:05,278
[giggles]
1760
01:23:05,278 --> 01:23:08,323
[Nicola] Can you tell me what
your favorite thing is to watch on TV?
1761
01:23:08,323 --> 01:23:09,699
YouTube.
1762
01:23:09,699 --> 01:23:10,909
[Nicola] Do you watch TV?
1763
01:23:10,909 --> 01:23:13,703
I just watch YouTube shows.
1764
01:23:13,703 --> 01:23:17,415
I watch YouTube,
and I make TikTok videos for my friends,
1765
01:23:17,415 --> 01:23:21,169
like the dances that people do.
Sometimes I do that on TikTok.
1766
01:23:21,169 --> 01:23:24,005
My favorite thing to watch is YouTube.
1767
01:23:24,005 --> 01:23:26,550
- Charli D'Amelio.
- MrBeast.
1768
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:29,469
- YouTube.
- Minecraft videos.
1769
01:23:29,469 --> 01:23:31,555
I like watching, like, them...
1770
01:23:32,681 --> 01:23:35,725
showing me what they got at Sephora
1771
01:23:35,725 --> 01:23:37,519
or, like, doing-- get--
1772
01:23:37,519 --> 01:23:40,021
like, showing their morning routine
or night routine.
1773
01:23:40,021 --> 01:23:42,983
Can I say somebody who's a kid?
1774
01:23:42,983 --> 01:23:45,610
- [Nicola] Yes, better if they're a kid.
- Ryan.
1775
01:23:45,610 --> 01:23:50,323
He has his own show, his own video game,
and his own toys.
1776
01:23:50,323 --> 01:23:52,617
I don't know if he's really that famous
1777
01:23:52,617 --> 01:23:55,870
or companies just like, all--
um, making toys
1778
01:23:55,870 --> 01:23:57,581
and video games about him.
1779
01:23:57,581 --> 01:23:59,666
Still, that's pretty famous.
1780
01:23:59,666 --> 01:24:02,168
[reporter]
That's him, Ryan of Ryan's World.
1781
01:24:02,168 --> 01:24:06,214
[Taylor Lorenz] Ryan is like the Elvis
for anyone under the age of 10.
1782
01:24:06,214 --> 01:24:09,426
He blew up on YouTube
by playing with toys.
1783
01:24:09,426 --> 01:24:11,261
He's been on the internet since he was 3.
1784
01:24:11,261 --> 01:24:12,929
[Loann Kaji] Okay, let's go!
1785
01:24:12,929 --> 01:24:16,182
[Taylor] He makes tens of millions
of dollars in his licensing deals.
1786
01:24:16,182 --> 01:24:18,935
He's now one of the top-paid YouTubers
on the entire planet.
1787
01:24:18,935 --> 01:24:21,980
[Loann] Okay, Ryan, on a scale of one
through five, what do you think about
1788
01:24:21,980 --> 01:24:27,068
the Hot Wheels Color Shifters
Color Splash Science Lab?
1789
01:24:27,903 --> 01:24:28,904
Five!
1790
01:24:28,904 --> 01:24:31,948
[Taylor] This is a massive
multi-billion-dollar industry.
1791
01:24:31,948 --> 01:24:35,410
There's over 50 million
content creators worldwide.
1792
01:24:35,410 --> 01:24:37,746
[child] Hello, everyone.
Welcome back to our channel.
1793
01:24:37,746 --> 01:24:40,040
[Taylor] According to Goldman Sachs,
the content creator industry
1794
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,792
is set to be worth a half
a trillion dollars in the next two years.
1795
01:24:42,792 --> 01:24:45,212
It dwarfs the traditional
entertainment industry.
1796
01:24:45,962 --> 01:24:48,048
[both] Bye!
1797
01:24:48,048 --> 01:24:51,009
Kids are making so much money
in an unregulated space.
1798
01:24:51,009 --> 01:24:54,137
Yeah! It worries me
because there's no Coogan Law for it.
1799
01:24:54,137 --> 01:24:57,724
You know, we had protections put in place
when I was a child actor
1800
01:24:57,724 --> 01:25:01,436
that said a percentage of my money
is going to be returned to me,
1801
01:25:01,436 --> 01:25:04,814
or given to me at 18.
1802
01:25:04,814 --> 01:25:07,984
Therefore, I had, like, a system in place
1803
01:25:07,984 --> 01:25:11,363
that guaranteed me to have
some sort of financial gain
1804
01:25:11,363 --> 01:25:13,782
when I was of legal age.
1805
01:25:13,782 --> 01:25:20,038
And to hear that these kids
are making tens of millions of dollars,
1806
01:25:20,038 --> 01:25:22,290
and there's no Coogan Account for that,
1807
01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:26,169
it just scares me because I'm like,
who's controlling that money,
1808
01:25:26,169 --> 01:25:27,754
and where is it going?
1809
01:25:29,005 --> 01:25:30,465
[Taylor] This is an entirely new industry
1810
01:25:30,465 --> 01:25:33,093
that's developed really
in the past decade.
1811
01:25:33,093 --> 01:25:36,263
The real money has only come
in the past five to seven years.
1812
01:25:36,263 --> 01:25:37,347
Wow, it's nice!
1813
01:25:37,347 --> 01:25:39,182
And there are absolutely zero safeguards
1814
01:25:39,182 --> 01:25:42,102
or legal protections for children
working in this industry.
1815
01:25:42,102 --> 01:25:43,895
- [Demi] Hi, Chris?
- Hi, Demi!
1816
01:25:43,895 --> 01:25:45,814
- [Demi] Hi, how's it going?
- It's going well. Thank you.
1817
01:25:45,814 --> 01:25:48,191
- It's so nice to meet you.
- [Chris McCarty] So nice to meet you, too.
1818
01:25:48,191 --> 01:25:50,944
Tell me a little bit about
what you're doing with this legislation.
1819
01:25:50,944 --> 01:25:53,905
I was doing this research
about family influencers,
1820
01:25:53,905 --> 01:25:57,784
and I was seeing that a lot of parents
are monetizing their children online,
1821
01:25:57,784 --> 01:26:01,246
and it doesn't seem like the children
are able to opt out of this.
1822
01:26:01,246 --> 01:26:03,748
It is a lot harder when
your parents are your bosses
1823
01:26:03,748 --> 01:26:05,584
and the set is your house.
1824
01:26:07,002 --> 01:26:09,212
[Demi] It feels like maybe a child
1825
01:26:09,212 --> 01:26:11,590
- doesn't know when to turn it off.
- [Chris McCarty] Right.
1826
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:14,718
Because they have to be on all the time,
and that can be really damaging.
1827
01:26:14,718 --> 01:26:17,262
[Chris McCarty] Right, I have an idea
for a new policy concept,
1828
01:26:17,262 --> 01:26:20,932
and I went to Washington
State legislature.
1829
01:26:20,932 --> 01:26:23,143
Hello, Representative Reeves.
1830
01:26:23,143 --> 01:26:24,936
A lot of cold calling, cold emailing.
1831
01:26:24,936 --> 01:26:27,647
I had a phone script,
I had an email script.
1832
01:26:27,647 --> 01:26:31,610
Eventually, connected with
Representative Kristine Reeves.
1833
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:34,321
[Demi] I wanted to talk to you
about this bill that you're passing,
1834
01:26:34,321 --> 01:26:37,282
and what was it that made
you wanna get involved?
1835
01:26:37,282 --> 01:26:40,118
[Kristine Reeves] When I got
into politics, my kids were 2 and 4,
1836
01:26:40,118 --> 01:26:42,329
and I was walking down
the hall in my house,
1837
01:26:42,329 --> 01:26:45,248
and I hear my daughter
giggling in the mirror going,
1838
01:26:45,248 --> 01:26:48,668
"Like and subscribe!"
And I just thought, "What on earth?
1839
01:26:48,668 --> 01:26:50,503
- Where did she hear that?"
- Right.
1840
01:26:50,503 --> 01:26:53,506
Here my 7-year-old daughter's
got my makeup brushes out,
1841
01:26:53,506 --> 01:26:55,926
doing a makeup tutorial
in the bathroom mirror,
1842
01:26:55,926 --> 01:26:58,970
and I think it just clicked
very quickly for me.
1843
01:26:58,970 --> 01:27:01,765
The internet is kind of this unregulated
1844
01:27:01,765 --> 01:27:04,309
kind of wild, wild West,
and if, if not us,
1845
01:27:04,309 --> 01:27:06,811
if not parents who are
paying attention to this,
1846
01:27:06,811 --> 01:27:07,938
who's gonna take care of it?
1847
01:27:08,563 --> 01:27:12,609
When I was a child actor,
I had a Coogan Account.
1848
01:27:12,609 --> 01:27:16,154
- [Kristine] Mm-hmm.
- Um, which puts money into a reserve
1849
01:27:16,154 --> 01:27:19,074
so that you can get it
whenever you turn 18.
1850
01:27:19,074 --> 01:27:20,617
Well, and that's what
this bill does, right?
1851
01:27:20,617 --> 01:27:24,621
It proposes that we would
create accounts from folks
1852
01:27:24,621 --> 01:27:28,458
who are basically monetizing
their children on social media
1853
01:27:28,458 --> 01:27:31,002
to ensure that those kids
have the opportunity
1854
01:27:31,002 --> 01:27:33,129
to have some compensation.
1855
01:27:33,129 --> 01:27:35,840
The bill also focuses on ensuring
1856
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,969
that the kids have the opportunity
to go to these platforms
1857
01:27:38,969 --> 01:27:41,263
and to request that their
likeness be taken down,
1858
01:27:41,263 --> 01:27:43,473
to be able to kind of
take that power back.
1859
01:27:43,473 --> 01:27:46,226
You know, there have
to be children out there
1860
01:27:46,226 --> 01:27:48,687
who want to make YouTube videos.
1861
01:27:48,687 --> 01:27:51,022
- Just for fun.
- Yeah, my daughter, apparently.
1862
01:27:51,022 --> 01:27:52,691
- In the bathroom.
- [laughs] Like your daughter.
1863
01:27:52,691 --> 01:27:57,445
And so it's not about stopping kids
that want to be online.
1864
01:27:57,445 --> 01:27:59,239
It's just about protecting them.
1865
01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:00,991
- [Kristine] Yeah.
- [♪ soft music playing]
1866
01:28:00,991 --> 01:28:02,993
[Demi] Thank you so much. You're amazing.
1867
01:28:02,993 --> 01:28:06,121
Oh, well, it's Chris
is actually who's amazing.
1868
01:28:06,121 --> 01:28:08,456
Like, they, they did a lot of the homework
and the research
1869
01:28:08,456 --> 01:28:09,874
- to, like, make this all...
- Yeah.
1870
01:28:09,874 --> 01:28:11,251
...kind of come to fruition.
1871
01:28:11,251 --> 01:28:14,212
And so, getting the opportunity
to have somebody so young
1872
01:28:14,212 --> 01:28:17,299
just believe in government
the way that I do, that, you know--
1873
01:28:17,299 --> 01:28:19,593
'cause I fundamentally believe
government can be a force for good.
1874
01:28:20,427 --> 01:28:23,555
House Bill 1627 is a bill to protect kids
1875
01:28:23,555 --> 01:28:26,766
who are monetized on family
social media accounts.
1876
01:28:26,766 --> 01:28:30,020
[Alyson] Taking steps to safeguard
a child influencer's earnings
1877
01:28:30,020 --> 01:28:33,565
and privacy is a crucial step
in minimizing the harm
1878
01:28:33,565 --> 01:28:36,568
that hundreds of thousands of children
1879
01:28:36,568 --> 01:28:39,446
have already experienced
across traditional
1880
01:28:39,446 --> 01:28:42,198
and digital media,
myself being one of them.
1881
01:28:42,198 --> 01:28:44,492
[reporter] First-of-its-kind law
takes effect in Illinois.
1882
01:28:44,492 --> 01:28:46,745
[legislator 1] SB 764 applies
the Coogan Act to modern performers.
1883
01:28:46,745 --> 01:28:48,496
[legislator 2]
34 to 0, the measure passes.
1884
01:28:48,496 --> 01:28:50,457
[echoing gavel bangs]
1885
01:28:52,167 --> 01:28:53,335
[Demi] I can't put my fame away.
1886
01:28:53,335 --> 01:28:55,962
Like, I can't just say
"I don't wanna be famous,"
1887
01:28:55,962 --> 01:28:58,465
and that can be a little isolating.
1888
01:28:59,507 --> 01:29:02,510
But, I got a second chance at life,
1889
01:29:02,510 --> 01:29:06,514
and because of that,
I appreciate every day that I have.
1890
01:29:07,224 --> 01:29:10,810
You know, I feel like I have a little bit
more permission to celebrate the wins.
1891
01:29:10,810 --> 01:29:13,271
[excited set chatter]
1892
01:29:13,271 --> 01:29:15,065
[Nicola] Alright, hello, everybody!
1893
01:29:15,065 --> 01:29:16,483
[chatter continues]
1894
01:29:16,483 --> 01:29:19,069
- [Drew] Demi!
- [Demi laughs]
1895
01:29:19,069 --> 01:29:20,695
[people chattering]
1896
01:29:20,695 --> 01:29:24,699
- [audience cheering]
- [indistinct chatter]
1897
01:29:24,699 --> 01:29:28,662
I mean, [scoffs]
you know the road better than most
1898
01:29:28,662 --> 01:29:31,498
- of like how... I'm like...
- [indistinct yelling]
1899
01:29:31,498 --> 01:29:34,918
"How did we even get here?
Are we gonna be able to stay here?"
1900
01:29:34,918 --> 01:29:38,171
I always think
it's getting creative [indistinct].
1901
01:29:38,171 --> 01:29:41,049
- Do you still have that, like--
- [Demi] Yes, of course.
1902
01:29:41,049 --> 01:29:44,135
Okay, good. Oh, good!
That makes me feel so not alone.
1903
01:29:44,135 --> 01:29:46,513
- [Demi laughs]
- And it's like, I'm like, "Be present.
1904
01:29:46,513 --> 01:29:49,182
- Don't be afraid of it disappearing."
- [Demi] Yeah. Yeah.
1905
01:29:49,182 --> 01:29:50,559
[Drew] When will we feel stable?
1906
01:29:50,559 --> 01:29:53,645
I don't know, but we're gonna keep moving.
1907
01:29:53,645 --> 01:29:56,731
[wild cheering, applause]
1908
01:30:08,243 --> 01:30:11,663
[Nicola] do you think stories
help you understand yourself?
1909
01:30:11,663 --> 01:30:12,747
Yeah.
1910
01:30:12,747 --> 01:30:17,002
It's fun to write and draw
and do all those stuff.
1911
01:30:17,002 --> 01:30:19,546
I've actually made
a story about me before.
1912
01:30:19,546 --> 01:30:21,673
I feel like if I don't, like,
use my imagination
1913
01:30:21,673 --> 01:30:22,757
and express myself,
1914
01:30:22,757 --> 01:30:24,342
it kind of just is like...
1915
01:30:25,260 --> 01:30:27,304
like, I don't really know
if there's, like, a word for it,
1916
01:30:27,304 --> 01:30:30,640
but, like, when you feel like
you're not really, like,
1917
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:31,850
living, I guess?
1918
01:30:31,850 --> 01:30:34,936
[Nicola] What is the hardest thing
about being a kid?
1919
01:30:34,936 --> 01:30:37,188
♪
1920
01:30:37,188 --> 01:30:39,274
Probably when, like,
1921
01:30:40,442 --> 01:30:42,444
you feel misunderstood.
1922
01:30:43,278 --> 01:30:47,782
Like, when nobody knows what
you're talking about but you.
1923
01:30:48,742 --> 01:30:51,119
I feel that way a lot.
1924
01:30:51,119 --> 01:30:53,079
[Nicola] And so, what do you do?
1925
01:30:54,414 --> 01:30:56,958
Sometimes, I write down
a song in my notebook.
1926
01:30:58,543 --> 01:31:00,086
[Demi] There's always been an intensity
1927
01:31:00,086 --> 01:31:03,256
that I've felt since I was a child
1928
01:31:03,256 --> 01:31:06,718
and just never wanted to have a diary
1929
01:31:06,718 --> 01:31:08,929
because you never know
who's gonna find it one day.
1930
01:31:08,929 --> 01:31:10,555
[♪ indistinct singing]
1931
01:31:10,555 --> 01:31:13,850
I always turn to music as a safe way
1932
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:16,102
for me to feel my emotions,
1933
01:31:16,102 --> 01:31:18,688
and it saved me a lot of times.
1934
01:31:18,688 --> 01:31:21,399
♪
1935
01:31:35,705 --> 01:31:36,706
[door shuts]
1936
01:31:48,677 --> 01:31:49,928
Okay!
1937
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,850
I'm back!
1938
01:31:55,850 --> 01:31:57,936
[♪ gentle music playing]
1939
01:31:57,936 --> 01:32:01,022
[♪ vocalizing]
1940
01:32:04,234 --> 01:32:07,028
Building that connection to music again
is the most important thing
1941
01:32:07,028 --> 01:32:10,657
- I can do for myself as an artist.
- ♪ Whoa... ♪
1942
01:32:10,657 --> 01:32:13,410
[♪ vocalizing continues]
1943
01:32:14,744 --> 01:32:17,163
[singing] ♪ It's all gonna happen ♪
1944
01:32:17,163 --> 01:32:19,749
♪ But not how you think ♪
1945
01:32:20,625 --> 01:32:24,087
So, it's just like lifting
that melody a little bit.
1946
01:32:24,087 --> 01:32:26,798
[♪ Oak vocalizing]
1947
01:32:26,798 --> 01:32:30,302
I think the second pre-chorus you should
extend until it's full length, though.
1948
01:32:30,302 --> 01:32:33,179
- [Demi] Okay.
- I like a short first pre,
1949
01:32:33,179 --> 01:32:36,266
- but it'd be nice to go what you'd like...
- [♪ restarts music]
1950
01:32:36,266 --> 01:32:38,059
♪ Da da da, da da da ♪
1951
01:32:38,059 --> 01:32:41,938
Oh, that's beautiful! I love that.
1952
01:32:41,938 --> 01:32:44,816
- [Oak] ♪ We'll be okay, whoa ♪
- [singer] ♪ We'll be okay ♪
1953
01:32:44,816 --> 01:32:47,068
[♪ vocalizing]
1954
01:32:47,068 --> 01:32:51,031
[Demi and singer]
♪ Wide eyes, wild heart ♪
1955
01:32:51,031 --> 01:32:53,325
♪ Blowing out candles ♪
1956
01:32:53,325 --> 01:32:55,285
- ♪ Blowing out candles ♪
- [Oak] ♪ Wishing on stars ♪
1957
01:32:55,285 --> 01:32:56,953
- ♪ Wishing on stars ♪
- [Oak] ♪ Stars ♪
1958
01:32:56,953 --> 01:32:59,956
- ♪ One day ♪
- Yeah, and then so you're gonna have to...
1959
01:32:59,956 --> 01:33:02,417
♪ You'll bring ♪
1960
01:33:02,417 --> 01:33:07,214
♪ It's all gonna happen,
but not how you think... ♪
1961
01:33:07,214 --> 01:33:08,757
♪
1962
01:33:08,757 --> 01:33:11,051
If you had to do everything
from the very start
1963
01:33:11,051 --> 01:33:13,803
all over again, is it worth it?
1964
01:33:14,387 --> 01:33:17,182
[Demi] I try to live by the philosophy
of never having regrets.
1965
01:33:17,182 --> 01:33:18,266
[Chris Smith] Mm-hmm.
1966
01:33:18,266 --> 01:33:22,270
And I've made some really
questionable choices in my life,
1967
01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:25,232
but I wouldn't end up
where I am in this moment
1968
01:33:25,232 --> 01:33:28,401
right now today
had I not made all the choices
1969
01:33:28,401 --> 01:33:31,738
that I made in my life
leading up to this point.
1970
01:33:31,738 --> 01:33:34,157
- [Chris Smith] Oh, there we go!
- [Demi] Wait, do one more.
1971
01:33:34,157 --> 01:33:36,117
- Do your iconic pose!
- Wait, what's my iconic pose?
1972
01:33:36,117 --> 01:33:38,620
- [kids squeal]
- Okay, okay, ready?
1973
01:33:38,620 --> 01:33:41,873
- [laughing] Alright.
- [fan] Yes!
1974
01:33:41,873 --> 01:33:44,751
- [laughter, chatter]
- ♪ Wide eyes ♪
1975
01:33:44,751 --> 01:33:47,379
♪ Wild heart ♪
1976
01:33:47,379 --> 01:33:49,881
♪ Blowing out candles ♪
1977
01:33:49,881 --> 01:33:52,634
♪ Wishing on stars ♪
1978
01:33:52,634 --> 01:33:57,847
♪ One day, you'll blink ♪
1979
01:33:57,847 --> 01:34:00,016
♪ It's all gonna happen ♪
1980
01:34:00,016 --> 01:34:02,185
- ♪ But not how you can think ♪
- [Demi] You look so beautiful!
1981
01:34:02,185 --> 01:34:06,439
- [crowd cheering]
- ♪ Can't stop you, don't want to ♪
1982
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:08,441
♪ Here's what I wish I knew ♪
1983
01:34:08,441 --> 01:34:12,320
When I do throw that
flare out into the sky,
1984
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,197
that flare attracts others.
1985
01:34:14,197 --> 01:34:18,159
It's that connection where they understand
and know where I was coming from.
1986
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:20,954
Here's to growth, to the amazing memories
1987
01:34:20,954 --> 01:34:23,123
that we've made this year!
1988
01:34:23,123 --> 01:34:26,126
Ten, nine, eight, seven, six,
1989
01:34:26,126 --> 01:34:30,297
five, four, three, two,
1990
01:34:30,297 --> 01:34:33,216
one. Happy New Year!
1991
01:34:33,216 --> 01:34:38,638
♪ The sharks in the water
will teach you to swim ♪
1992
01:34:39,055 --> 01:34:43,727
♪ The thorns on the roses
will thicken your skin ♪
1993
01:34:44,394 --> 01:34:49,733
♪ People might hurt you
and break promises ♪
1994
01:34:50,275 --> 01:34:53,653
♪ But darling, I promise you this ♪
1995
01:34:53,653 --> 01:34:57,449
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
1996
01:34:58,867 --> 01:35:02,579
♪ You'll okay, kid ♪
1997
01:35:04,122 --> 01:35:06,917
♪ You'll be okay ♪
1998
01:35:06,917 --> 01:35:08,501
[♪ song ends]
1999
01:35:12,339 --> 01:35:14,674
[♪ "You'll Be OK, Kid"
by Demi Lovato playing]
2000
01:35:14,674 --> 01:35:17,677
♪ Slow down, deep breath ♪
2001
01:35:17,677 --> 01:35:22,933
♪ Don't let the monsters
scare you to death ♪
2002
01:35:22,933 --> 01:35:28,021
♪ They'll try to tear you apart ♪
2003
01:35:28,021 --> 01:35:33,318
♪ But know that you're perfect
the way that you are ♪
2004
01:35:33,318 --> 01:35:36,321
♪ I know you can't see it now ♪
2005
01:35:36,321 --> 01:35:39,824
♪ But someday, it all works out ♪
2006
01:35:41,076 --> 01:35:46,289
♪ The sharks in the water
will teach you to swim ♪
2007
01:35:46,289 --> 01:35:52,045
♪ The thorns on the roses
will thicken your skin ♪
2008
01:35:52,045 --> 01:35:57,217
♪ People might hurt you
and break promises ♪
2009
01:35:57,217 --> 01:36:01,429
♪ But, darling, I promise you this ♪
2010
01:36:01,429 --> 01:36:04,558
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2011
01:36:06,601 --> 01:36:10,605
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2012
01:36:11,356 --> 01:36:15,652
♪ You'll make it like I did ♪
2013
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,116
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2014
01:36:22,659 --> 01:36:26,621
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2015
01:36:27,872 --> 01:36:32,168
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2016
01:36:33,211 --> 01:36:36,923
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2017
01:36:38,425 --> 01:36:42,304
♪ You'll be okay, kid ♪
2018
01:36:43,930 --> 01:36:46,933
♪ You'll be okay ♪
2019
01:36:50,145 --> 01:36:52,772
[♪ gentle music playing]
2020
01:37:09,748 --> 01:37:11,333
[♪ music fades out]
2021
01:37:11,333 --> 01:37:12,417
[shuffling]
2022
01:37:15,879 --> 01:37:17,172
[shimmering]