1 00:00:02,109 --> 00:00:06,610 [narrator] John Ackroyd left a trail of devastation in his wake. 2 00:00:07,043 --> 00:00:08,610 They know him, 3 00:00:08,610 --> 00:00:10,476 what he did to Kaye Turner, 4 00:00:10,743 --> 00:00:11,877 to Rachanda. 5 00:00:12,843 --> 00:00:15,143 And now, 80 miles to the west, 6 00:00:15,143 --> 00:00:16,810 on Highway 20, 7 00:00:16,810 --> 00:00:19,610 he is on the move to new hunting grounds. 8 00:00:32,109 --> 00:00:33,710 [George] I never got anything more 9 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:36,276 than "John Ackroyd's gonna start reporting to your shop, 10 00:00:38,510 --> 00:00:41,276 and you can't tell anybody why he's here." 11 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:45,043 But Rachanda having disappeared 12 00:00:45,043 --> 00:00:48,109 under very weird circumstances, 13 00:00:48,943 --> 00:00:50,510 everybody were starting to then get 14 00:00:50,510 --> 00:00:53,276 pretty concerned about John being around. 15 00:00:55,143 --> 00:00:56,877 They were all saying the same thing, 16 00:00:57,309 --> 00:00:58,276 "Why is he here?" 17 00:01:00,710 --> 00:01:01,810 But the police want him 18 00:01:01,810 --> 00:01:05,543 somewhere where they can monitor his behaviors. 19 00:01:05,543 --> 00:01:08,510 [laughs] I thought, "This is the most stupid thing I ever heard." 20 00:01:09,743 --> 00:01:12,610 He was made, what they call, a roving field mechanic. 21 00:01:13,610 --> 00:01:16,176 He could be driving 130 miles a day, 22 00:01:17,010 --> 00:01:18,476 and you're gonna monitor him? 23 00:01:19,043 --> 00:01:20,476 Give me a break. 24 00:01:26,010 --> 00:01:27,710 There were weeks on in 25 00:01:27,710 --> 00:01:28,977 that I never even saw him. 26 00:01:30,610 --> 00:01:32,576 He was on the road. 27 00:01:33,209 --> 00:01:34,209 He was gone. 28 00:01:35,610 --> 00:01:37,476 And John wasn't stupid. 29 00:01:38,443 --> 00:01:39,810 He knew why he was there. 30 00:01:42,810 --> 00:01:45,510 He was just like, "Yeah, go ahead. 31 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:46,910 Try and catch me." 32 00:02:00,710 --> 00:02:04,276 [Kim] Lebanon and Sweet Home are 13 miles apart. 33 00:02:06,343 --> 00:02:09,043 It's a big straight stretch of nothing. 34 00:02:09,043 --> 00:02:10,309 We call it The Narrows. 35 00:02:13,643 --> 00:02:15,710 There is nothing to do in Lebanon, 36 00:02:15,710 --> 00:02:16,977 literally nothing, 37 00:02:17,743 --> 00:02:19,176 except for go to Shari's. 38 00:02:19,910 --> 00:02:22,276 That was a hangout on Highway 20. 39 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:25,910 I mean, that was the thing to do. 40 00:02:25,910 --> 00:02:27,443 It was someplace to go. 41 00:02:27,443 --> 00:02:29,076 It was a safe place to go. 42 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:32,243 We could just laugh and be ourselves 43 00:02:32,243 --> 00:02:33,677 and spend time together. 44 00:02:36,410 --> 00:02:37,810 [Kim] We played CB tag, 45 00:02:37,810 --> 00:02:39,710 talked on the CB radios. 46 00:02:40,309 --> 00:02:42,710 All the cars had CB radios. 47 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:44,043 You could talk to somebody in another car, 48 00:02:44,043 --> 00:02:46,710 kind of, like, a moving cell phone 49 00:02:46,710 --> 00:02:48,010 but attached to your car. 50 00:02:49,109 --> 00:02:51,043 [Ruth] Kind of like a chat room, 51 00:02:51,043 --> 00:02:53,343 just randomly talking to people. 52 00:02:53,343 --> 00:02:56,010 We'd get on there and say their CB handle. 53 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:57,743 Mine was Okey-1. 54 00:02:57,743 --> 00:03:00,109 Say, "Hey, Okey-1, are you out there?" 55 00:03:00,109 --> 00:03:01,343 I'd say, "Hi, I'm Lady Know-It-All." 56 00:03:01,343 --> 00:03:03,410 That was my handle, Lady Know-It-All. 57 00:03:03,410 --> 00:03:05,109 Because I knew everything. 58 00:03:05,109 --> 00:03:07,810 Speed Demon, Speed Wagon. 59 00:03:08,610 --> 00:03:09,710 Bunny. 60 00:03:09,710 --> 00:03:10,910 Night Rider. 61 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:13,309 General Public, GP. 62 00:03:13,309 --> 00:03:14,743 I don't know why she called herself that. 63 00:03:14,743 --> 00:03:15,710 It's so weird. 64 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:20,643 [Ruth] And that's when, at Shari's, 65 00:03:20,643 --> 00:03:22,677 I first met John Ackroyd. 66 00:03:25,543 --> 00:03:27,777 [Kim] When he introduced himself, 67 00:03:28,410 --> 00:03:31,276 he said, "I'm The Pervert." 68 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:34,309 That was his CB radio handle. 69 00:03:34,943 --> 00:03:35,910 The Pervert. 70 00:03:39,309 --> 00:03:40,410 And immediately, 71 00:03:41,309 --> 00:03:43,043 phew, something goes off in my brain 72 00:03:43,043 --> 00:03:44,810 and I'm like, "Why would you say that so loud 73 00:03:44,810 --> 00:03:46,109 in front of a bunch of women?" 74 00:03:46,843 --> 00:03:47,810 Right? 75 00:03:48,910 --> 00:03:50,376 "There's something up with this guy." 76 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:53,476 I knew that there was something not right. 77 00:03:55,243 --> 00:03:57,143 People would say, "Give him a chance. 78 00:03:57,143 --> 00:03:58,209 Give him a chance." 79 00:03:58,209 --> 00:04:00,510 "Oh, you're always so suspicious of people." 80 00:04:00,510 --> 00:04:01,977 I'm like, "Yeah. 81 00:04:03,010 --> 00:04:03,843 No fooling. 82 00:04:03,843 --> 00:04:05,810 This guy says he's The Pervert." 83 00:04:08,010 --> 00:04:12,610 But after that, he didn't talk to any of us, really. 84 00:04:12,610 --> 00:04:14,710 The only people he really ever talked to 85 00:04:14,710 --> 00:04:16,710 were Melissa and Sheila. 86 00:04:17,910 --> 00:04:18,977 They were just kids. 87 00:04:19,810 --> 00:04:21,309 Both were really cute girls. 88 00:04:22,343 --> 00:04:23,309 They were funny. 89 00:04:23,309 --> 00:04:25,410 They were normal teenage girls, 90 00:04:25,410 --> 00:04:26,610 laughing and joking. 91 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:30,677 You would've thought they were sisters. 92 00:04:33,143 --> 00:04:35,977 You know that song, "Girls Just Like To Have Fun"? 93 00:04:36,643 --> 00:04:38,343 That reminds me of Melissa. 94 00:04:38,343 --> 00:04:39,543 Yeah. 95 00:04:39,543 --> 00:04:41,209 She just wanted to have fun. 96 00:04:43,109 --> 00:04:44,443 Just so full of life 97 00:04:44,443 --> 00:04:47,143 -and she bounced into a room. -Oh, yeah. 98 00:04:47,143 --> 00:04:48,643 She didn't walk into a room. 99 00:04:48,643 --> 00:04:52,343 She was just bouncing all the time, you know? 100 00:04:52,343 --> 00:04:54,309 -A lot of energy. [laughs] -[Steve] Yeah. 101 00:04:56,109 --> 00:04:57,543 [Ruth] She was like, 102 00:04:57,543 --> 00:04:58,543 a little bit of country 103 00:04:58,543 --> 00:05:00,810 and a little bit of rock and roll. 104 00:05:00,810 --> 00:05:04,343 When two teenage girls sometimes get together, 105 00:05:04,343 --> 00:05:07,209 you know, they start being a little rebellious. 106 00:05:14,943 --> 00:05:16,443 [Kim] I don't think either one of them had 107 00:05:16,443 --> 00:05:18,910 a real structured upbringing. 108 00:05:20,209 --> 00:05:23,043 Not that I'm saying anything negative about their parents. 109 00:05:23,043 --> 00:05:24,510 I just think that, um... 110 00:05:25,410 --> 00:05:26,510 there wasn't structure, 111 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:28,109 so they were all over the place. 112 00:05:29,243 --> 00:05:30,810 They didn't have a nickel. 113 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:32,510 So they... they couldn't buy food. 114 00:05:32,510 --> 00:05:34,043 They couldn't buy drinks. 115 00:05:34,043 --> 00:05:35,576 They didn't have anything. 116 00:05:36,810 --> 00:05:38,010 We'd be at Shari's, 117 00:05:38,010 --> 00:05:39,843 and one of them would whisper in my ear, 118 00:05:39,843 --> 00:05:40,810 "Will you take us to your house 119 00:05:40,810 --> 00:05:42,143 so we can take a shower? 120 00:05:42,143 --> 00:05:43,309 Or can you take us to your house 121 00:05:43,309 --> 00:05:44,410 so we can put on makeup?" 122 00:05:45,610 --> 00:05:47,810 I don't want people to have the misconception 123 00:05:47,810 --> 00:05:50,209 that Melissa and Sheila were bad. 124 00:05:50,209 --> 00:05:52,710 They weren't out looking for trouble. 125 00:05:52,710 --> 00:05:54,710 They were looking to get their needs met. 126 00:05:56,410 --> 00:05:58,309 Melissa, especially, that's what I think 127 00:05:58,309 --> 00:06:00,610 she needed most, food, shelter, 128 00:06:00,610 --> 00:06:02,309 love, companionship 129 00:06:02,309 --> 00:06:03,610 from somebody who cared. 130 00:06:06,209 --> 00:06:08,443 That's how Ackroyd would, you know, 131 00:06:08,443 --> 00:06:10,476 get her to pay attention to him. 132 00:06:13,710 --> 00:06:16,309 [Ruth] He was, like, obsessed with her. 133 00:06:16,309 --> 00:06:19,209 But once he got her attention, then he became possessive. 134 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:23,176 [Kim] He never bought anything for Sheila, only Melissa. 135 00:06:23,810 --> 00:06:25,443 And he would buy her nachos, 136 00:06:25,443 --> 00:06:27,943 and he would, like, lean over against her, 137 00:06:27,943 --> 00:06:30,843 put his hand on her leg, you know. 138 00:06:30,843 --> 00:06:33,309 She would get sour cream on her face 139 00:06:33,309 --> 00:06:35,209 and he'd wipe it off and then lick it on his... 140 00:06:35,209 --> 00:06:36,209 Blech. 141 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:38,710 Just weird stuff, you know? 142 00:06:38,710 --> 00:06:40,276 Always trying to touch her. 143 00:06:41,910 --> 00:06:43,910 So I said to Melissa, 144 00:06:43,910 --> 00:06:45,043 "It seems creepy, 145 00:06:45,043 --> 00:06:47,309 like he's wanting something more from you." 146 00:06:47,309 --> 00:06:50,877 And she goes, "Tut, oh, Kim, he's like my dad." 147 00:06:54,510 --> 00:06:58,376 But you could just tell by the way he groomed Melissa 148 00:06:59,209 --> 00:07:00,710 that he had done this before. 149 00:07:02,743 --> 00:07:04,343 [narrator] Finally, people see John 150 00:07:04,343 --> 00:07:07,043 for the monster he truly is. 151 00:07:07,043 --> 00:07:10,910 Soon, others will join the fight to stop him. 152 00:07:10,910 --> 00:07:12,510 [newscaster] Thirty-six-year-old Bill Hanlon 153 00:07:12,510 --> 00:07:13,543 was recently appointed 154 00:07:13,543 --> 00:07:15,643 to the office of Jefferson County DA 155 00:07:15,643 --> 00:07:17,710 by Governor Neil Goldschmidt. 156 00:07:17,710 --> 00:07:19,109 [Neil] When I took over the office, 157 00:07:19,109 --> 00:07:21,243 my secretary had a... had a note, 158 00:07:21,243 --> 00:07:22,977 "Call Linn County district attorney." 159 00:07:23,710 --> 00:07:24,677 So I called him up. 160 00:07:25,843 --> 00:07:26,810 He says, "Hey, have you heard... 161 00:07:26,810 --> 00:07:28,209 Ever heard of John Ackroyd?" 162 00:07:28,209 --> 00:07:30,843 And I said, "Yeah, John Ackroyd killed Kaye Turner, 163 00:07:30,843 --> 00:07:32,877 but nobody could prove it." 164 00:07:34,410 --> 00:07:37,910 And he said, "Well, his stepdaughter disappeared, 165 00:07:37,910 --> 00:07:40,810 and we're having a meeting tomorrow in Sweet Home PD, 166 00:07:41,410 --> 00:07:43,209 and we'd like you to come 167 00:07:43,209 --> 00:07:46,810 and bring everything you know about John Ackroyd." 168 00:07:46,810 --> 00:07:48,877 [sucks teeth] That's where it all started for me. 169 00:07:51,309 --> 00:07:53,610 [Will] I was just a new detective. 170 00:07:53,610 --> 00:07:58,343 I was the baby, the rookie, you know, the gofer guy. 171 00:07:58,343 --> 00:08:00,476 I says, "What can I do to help?" 172 00:08:03,610 --> 00:08:05,143 My lieutenant, he says, 173 00:08:05,143 --> 00:08:07,309 "Keep track of them case files for us 174 00:08:09,143 --> 00:08:11,810 and we'll let you know if we need any help." 175 00:08:13,243 --> 00:08:16,076 But I realize that none of those reports 176 00:08:16,743 --> 00:08:20,143 had ever been gathered into one place. 177 00:08:20,143 --> 00:08:23,209 They were scattered around in different agencies. 178 00:08:24,943 --> 00:08:27,109 But from the reports that I read, 179 00:08:27,109 --> 00:08:29,943 they reached a point in Kaye Turner case 180 00:08:29,943 --> 00:08:32,309 where they were sure that Ackroyd's the guy. 181 00:08:33,209 --> 00:08:36,376 But John had an alibi. 182 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:40,043 [Noelle] John Ackroyd was with his friend, 183 00:08:40,043 --> 00:08:42,410 and hunting partner, Roger Dale Beck. 184 00:08:44,309 --> 00:08:49,777 Roger Beck was married to my dad's sister, Pam. 185 00:08:51,410 --> 00:08:54,910 John, my dad and Pam grew up together. 186 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:58,309 [Will] Pam told the cops 187 00:08:58,309 --> 00:09:02,143 that John and Roger were at home 188 00:09:02,143 --> 00:09:05,309 and attested to the certain hours that they were there. 189 00:09:06,610 --> 00:09:07,977 She alibied them. 190 00:09:11,309 --> 00:09:14,710 [Jennifer] Roger could get mean and violent. 191 00:09:14,710 --> 00:09:18,476 And when he got drunk, he would be even worse. 192 00:09:20,343 --> 00:09:23,209 [Will] We heard that Pam divorced Roger, 193 00:09:23,209 --> 00:09:25,877 and she had moved to California. 194 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:33,043 An ex-wife not covering for some dirtbag anymore 195 00:09:33,043 --> 00:09:36,276 is really a great source of information. 196 00:09:38,510 --> 00:09:40,476 So I went to California, 197 00:09:42,209 --> 00:09:43,710 walked up to her front door, 198 00:09:45,043 --> 00:09:46,476 knocked on the door. 199 00:09:48,843 --> 00:09:51,209 And there were two things that really surprised me. 200 00:09:52,510 --> 00:09:57,343 She told me, "I knew you were coming," and... 201 00:09:57,343 --> 00:09:58,977 "I lied like hell back then." 202 00:10:19,610 --> 00:10:22,510 [Will] There's some times you run across events 203 00:10:22,510 --> 00:10:24,243 that, kind of, lead you to believe 204 00:10:24,243 --> 00:10:26,076 that you're right in the middle, 205 00:10:27,143 --> 00:10:28,576 right at the center. 206 00:10:30,143 --> 00:10:31,710 When I talked to Pam, 207 00:10:32,443 --> 00:10:34,176 yeah, that was one of those times. 208 00:10:34,910 --> 00:10:35,910 She was telling me 209 00:10:35,910 --> 00:10:38,977 that she had lied for John and Roger. 210 00:10:41,443 --> 00:10:44,910 At the time of the disappearance of Kaye Turner, 211 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:48,109 they had come in with blood on them, 212 00:10:49,143 --> 00:10:52,043 and they made statements to her 213 00:10:52,043 --> 00:10:55,076 about accidentally killing a jogger. 214 00:10:58,309 --> 00:11:01,276 I could feel the hair on the back of my neck stand up 215 00:11:01,710 --> 00:11:03,643 as I spoke with her, 216 00:11:03,643 --> 00:11:05,543 because I realized at that point 217 00:11:05,543 --> 00:11:08,643 that the hunch I had 218 00:11:08,643 --> 00:11:11,076 had worked out the way it should. 219 00:11:15,010 --> 00:11:18,476 I came back to Oregon and I met with Bill Hanlon. 220 00:11:20,243 --> 00:11:22,376 [Bill] That was the turning point in the case. 221 00:11:24,143 --> 00:11:27,143 She told us that they were talking about knives and guns, 222 00:11:27,143 --> 00:11:28,343 and they had blood all over 'em 223 00:11:28,343 --> 00:11:30,710 and how to get rid of the evidence. 224 00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:33,476 At that point, Roger Beck wasn't a suspect at all. 225 00:11:34,510 --> 00:11:37,977 So that refocused the case on two defendants. 226 00:11:40,610 --> 00:11:42,977 At that point, things really got busy. 227 00:11:44,643 --> 00:11:46,043 From then on, it was like, 228 00:11:46,043 --> 00:11:48,410 "Go back to California, ask this and this and this. 229 00:11:48,410 --> 00:11:50,343 See if you can find out more about this." 230 00:11:50,343 --> 00:11:51,943 Let's go find that truck. 231 00:11:51,943 --> 00:11:53,677 Where's the evidence at now?" 232 00:11:55,410 --> 00:11:57,410 [Bill] Ackroyd was roaming around our county. 233 00:12:00,910 --> 00:12:02,777 And if we weren't successful, 234 00:12:03,309 --> 00:12:05,443 we could continue to find 235 00:12:05,443 --> 00:12:07,443 dead women around our county 236 00:12:07,443 --> 00:12:09,109 for the rest of Ackroyd's life. 237 00:12:11,043 --> 00:12:13,410 So we had to make sure we did it right. 238 00:12:13,410 --> 00:12:16,410 If we lost, we could've never prosecuted that again. 239 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:20,443 Double jeopardy means you can't be held accountable 240 00:12:20,443 --> 00:12:22,243 for a crime twice. 241 00:12:22,243 --> 00:12:24,076 Prosecution has one shot at you. 242 00:12:26,043 --> 00:12:29,810 That's why I was willing to work evenings and weekends 243 00:12:29,810 --> 00:12:31,576 for all those years. 244 00:12:32,410 --> 00:12:34,576 That's why Mark dedicated so much time. 245 00:12:35,543 --> 00:12:39,576 I became the local volunteer deputy of Camp Sherman. 246 00:12:40,309 --> 00:12:42,043 It's a labor of love. 247 00:12:42,043 --> 00:12:43,276 You don't get paid. 248 00:12:44,309 --> 00:12:47,877 We never wanna give up on solving a case. 249 00:12:50,043 --> 00:12:52,777 [narrator] The detectives know their time is running out. 250 00:12:53,309 --> 00:12:56,977 And in May, 1992, it does. 251 00:13:02,810 --> 00:13:04,610 [Ruth] Melissa came to me one day 252 00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:08,810 and she said, "I'm going camping with my family, 253 00:13:08,810 --> 00:13:10,209 and it should be lots of fun, 254 00:13:10,209 --> 00:13:13,109 and I get to take Sheila with me. 255 00:13:14,143 --> 00:13:15,810 I'm gonna put on my bathing suit 256 00:13:15,810 --> 00:13:18,109 and I'm gonna try to work on my tan." 257 00:13:19,243 --> 00:13:22,443 -We rented five camp spots over at the coast... -Mmm-hmm. 258 00:13:22,443 --> 00:13:23,610 ...for a family reunion. 259 00:13:25,443 --> 00:13:26,410 We had that all week, 260 00:13:27,043 --> 00:13:28,209 fishing and crabbing, 261 00:13:28,810 --> 00:13:30,309 making clam chowder. 262 00:13:32,810 --> 00:13:35,576 But that day when they came in and said, 263 00:13:36,309 --> 00:13:37,677 "Oh, we're going camping," 264 00:13:38,143 --> 00:13:39,276 The Perv was there. 265 00:13:45,209 --> 00:13:46,476 And he said, 266 00:13:47,109 --> 00:13:48,710 "Oh, where are you camping at?" 267 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:49,910 And they said, 268 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:52,376 "Oh, we don't know exactly where we're camping at 269 00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:55,510 but somewhere in Newport." 270 00:13:57,209 --> 00:14:00,777 And he says, "Well, I'm throwing a party in Newport on Saturday night." 271 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:05,143 So they were gonna go camping, right? 272 00:14:05,143 --> 00:14:07,243 And he's gonna miraculously throw a party in Newport 273 00:14:07,243 --> 00:14:08,576 on this Saturday night. 274 00:14:09,543 --> 00:14:11,643 And I remember telling Melissa and Sheila, 275 00:14:11,643 --> 00:14:13,109 "Do not hook up with The Perv." 276 00:14:14,410 --> 00:14:16,677 They were like, "Why would we do that?" 277 00:14:18,043 --> 00:14:20,376 But I could tell on Melissa's face 278 00:14:20,843 --> 00:14:22,043 that something was up. 279 00:14:22,043 --> 00:14:24,309 And I said, "Melissa, I'm not kidding." 280 00:14:29,209 --> 00:14:30,309 [Steve] Melissa and Sheila 281 00:14:30,309 --> 00:14:32,443 were supposed to spend the whole weekend there, 282 00:14:32,443 --> 00:14:33,910 but I don't... 283 00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:35,810 You know how teenage girls are. 284 00:14:35,810 --> 00:14:37,543 They're just... Ants in their pants. 285 00:14:37,543 --> 00:14:38,777 "Gotta go, gotta go." 286 00:14:40,810 --> 00:14:43,143 And I guess they were at the phonebooth 287 00:14:43,143 --> 00:14:44,309 at the campsite, 288 00:14:44,309 --> 00:14:45,943 calling everybody they can think of 289 00:14:45,943 --> 00:14:48,877 to come and get 'em or get a ride back to Sweet Home. 290 00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:55,010 [Ruth] It was like two weeks after 291 00:14:55,010 --> 00:14:58,576 when I first heard that they never showed back up. 292 00:15:10,043 --> 00:15:12,943 [Kim] We just figured they ran away 293 00:15:12,943 --> 00:15:14,143 'cause let's be honest, 294 00:15:14,143 --> 00:15:16,109 they were always running around. 295 00:15:16,109 --> 00:15:18,076 So we just figured they ran away, they'll be back. 296 00:15:18,543 --> 00:15:19,677 They'll show up. 297 00:15:21,510 --> 00:15:23,109 [Steve] Melissa would call. 298 00:15:23,109 --> 00:15:24,910 She would call and let us know where she was. 299 00:15:24,910 --> 00:15:27,143 And when she come up missing that time, 300 00:15:27,143 --> 00:15:28,510 no calls, nothing. 301 00:15:29,510 --> 00:15:31,877 Melissa's parents, they knew something was wrong, 302 00:15:33,043 --> 00:15:34,710 so did Sheila's parents. 303 00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:36,576 Sheila's parents said she'd always call. 304 00:15:38,543 --> 00:15:40,043 The police said, "Well, why didn't you call us sooner?" 305 00:15:40,043 --> 00:15:42,843 "Well, because it's not abnormal for her to go, 306 00:15:42,843 --> 00:15:44,677 but it's abnormal for her not to call." 307 00:15:45,610 --> 00:15:48,209 And the police just put it on the back-burner. 308 00:15:49,810 --> 00:15:52,610 -[Barb] Her parents called repeatedly. -[Steve] Yeah. 309 00:15:52,610 --> 00:15:54,243 But they felt ignored, 310 00:15:54,243 --> 00:15:57,309 -like the police wasn't taking anything seriously. -Yeah. 311 00:15:58,643 --> 00:16:02,309 They were viewed as runaways by the police. 312 00:16:02,309 --> 00:16:03,810 They asked a couple of questions 313 00:16:03,810 --> 00:16:05,010 over couple of people 314 00:16:05,010 --> 00:16:07,777 and then it was like, "Mmm, we ain't nothing to go on." 315 00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:17,510 [Noelle] In the case of Kaye Turner, 316 00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:19,443 there was no smoking gun, 317 00:16:19,443 --> 00:16:21,043 there was no forensic evidence, 318 00:16:21,043 --> 00:16:24,309 but there were little bits and pieces 319 00:16:24,309 --> 00:16:26,943 that added to the circumstantial evidence 320 00:16:26,943 --> 00:16:29,576 linking Ackroyd to the crime. 321 00:16:32,109 --> 00:16:34,143 Eventually we felt like we had enough 322 00:16:34,143 --> 00:16:35,576 to charge John Ackroyd. 323 00:16:36,610 --> 00:16:38,910 So we wanted to talk to the judge. 324 00:16:38,910 --> 00:16:41,777 And he said, "That's not strong enough for the grand jury." 325 00:16:42,643 --> 00:16:44,343 So we backed up and... [inhales sharply] 326 00:16:44,343 --> 00:16:45,610 ...got together again. 327 00:16:45,610 --> 00:16:48,276 And that's when the US Fish and Wildlife Lab got involved. 328 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:52,443 They had a new high-tech forensic lab. 329 00:16:52,443 --> 00:16:54,476 So we took down Kaye's clothes. 330 00:16:56,610 --> 00:16:58,343 And it took them a long time 331 00:16:58,343 --> 00:17:00,176 but they found a lot of great stuff. 332 00:17:01,443 --> 00:17:03,910 They determined that the tears in the shirt 333 00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:05,010 were a stab wound. 334 00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:09,710 They found lead fragments on her shirt 335 00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:12,209 that they determined were shots or bullet holes. 336 00:17:15,209 --> 00:17:16,610 He knew we were after him. 337 00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:20,043 But he was more than happy 338 00:17:20,043 --> 00:17:22,943 to get the news media story. 339 00:17:22,943 --> 00:17:25,143 They're trying to tie me in because I went down... 340 00:17:25,143 --> 00:17:28,510 We went out there at morning and poached a deer. 341 00:17:28,510 --> 00:17:31,043 [reporter] Would you be willing to take a lie detector test 342 00:17:31,043 --> 00:17:33,610 if questions we asked you about Kaye Turner's murder? 343 00:17:33,910 --> 00:17:34,877 Already did. 344 00:17:35,309 --> 00:17:36,810 [reporter] How'd it go? 345 00:17:36,810 --> 00:17:39,043 I don't know. That was 14 years ago. 346 00:17:39,043 --> 00:17:41,643 And with all the stuff that went down about that, 347 00:17:41,643 --> 00:17:43,643 I don't think if I ever found another body in the woods 348 00:17:43,643 --> 00:17:44,777 that I'd say anything about it. 349 00:17:46,143 --> 00:17:49,743 He is depicting this as wild coincidences, 350 00:17:49,743 --> 00:17:53,010 and these are misfortunes that have befallen him. 351 00:17:54,309 --> 00:17:58,543 John talked about the wounds on Kaye Turner's body 352 00:17:58,543 --> 00:18:01,710 when he had found her in February. 353 00:18:03,209 --> 00:18:05,410 [Bill] And then we found this forensic anthropologist 354 00:18:05,410 --> 00:18:07,610 who was able to testify for us 355 00:18:07,610 --> 00:18:11,510 that Ackroyd's description of that scene 356 00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:13,710 had to have been within two or three days of 357 00:18:13,710 --> 00:18:15,276 the moment that he killed her. 358 00:18:17,243 --> 00:18:18,243 [reporter] What do you think of the charges 359 00:18:18,243 --> 00:18:19,610 against you, Mr. Ackroyd? 360 00:18:19,610 --> 00:18:20,910 I don't know all of 'em. 361 00:18:20,910 --> 00:18:23,043 [newscaster] Ackroyd and another man, Roger Beck, 362 00:18:23,043 --> 00:18:24,943 are charged with kidnapping, raping 363 00:18:24,943 --> 00:18:26,677 and killing Kaye Turner. 364 00:18:29,309 --> 00:18:31,910 [Byron] Everybody knew about my sister. 365 00:18:31,910 --> 00:18:32,910 It's the most exciting thing 366 00:18:32,910 --> 00:18:34,443 that's happened in that town in a while, 367 00:18:34,443 --> 00:18:35,877 you know, that's front page. 368 00:18:37,010 --> 00:18:38,810 I started getting tormented at school and stuff, 369 00:18:38,810 --> 00:18:40,943 you know, bullied and picked on. 370 00:18:40,943 --> 00:18:42,777 "I heard your stepdad killed your sister." 371 00:18:43,943 --> 00:18:45,710 When my mom and I would be alone, 372 00:18:45,710 --> 00:18:46,710 I'd ask my mom, 373 00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:48,376 "You think John could've done it?" 374 00:18:51,043 --> 00:18:52,643 And she'd get upset. 375 00:18:52,643 --> 00:18:53,810 She'd get upset, you know, 376 00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:55,610 how dare I even ask that question? 377 00:18:57,243 --> 00:18:59,743 And then, I think, one of the last times when I asked my mom, 378 00:18:59,743 --> 00:19:01,510 "Do you think John could do it?" And she... 379 00:19:01,510 --> 00:19:02,710 I think she was cooking breakfast, 380 00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:04,510 and she threw down the spatula and she's like, 381 00:19:04,510 --> 00:19:05,810 "I don't know, Byron, you tell me. 382 00:19:05,810 --> 00:19:06,777 Did John do it? 383 00:19:07,843 --> 00:19:08,977 'Cause I want to know, too." 384 00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:13,810 [Kim] Somebody said, "Did you see The Perv?" 385 00:19:13,810 --> 00:19:15,510 And I'm like, "No." 386 00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:18,710 They're like, "That's the guy that murdered that girl." 387 00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:21,309 And I'm like, "What? 388 00:19:22,410 --> 00:19:23,510 What do you mean?" 389 00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:24,710 So that's when I found out 390 00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:26,977 John Ackroyd and The Perv were the same person. 391 00:19:29,309 --> 00:19:31,710 [narrator] At last, after decades, 392 00:19:31,710 --> 00:19:34,309 the monster has been caught. 393 00:19:34,309 --> 00:19:36,810 But he leaves one final heartbreak 394 00:19:36,810 --> 00:19:38,777 for his pursuers to find. 395 00:19:45,743 --> 00:19:47,043 [Steve] It was just five months 396 00:19:47,043 --> 00:19:50,810 after the girls went missing when they found the bodies. 397 00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:51,977 That was devastating. 398 00:19:55,243 --> 00:19:57,576 You know, you wonder how much they suffered. 399 00:19:58,810 --> 00:20:00,309 How could I have helped her? 400 00:20:00,309 --> 00:20:01,677 How could I have stopped it? 401 00:20:05,143 --> 00:20:06,343 This whole thing still... 402 00:20:06,343 --> 00:20:08,543 I mean, it hurts and it angers me 403 00:20:08,543 --> 00:20:10,109 after all this time. 404 00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:13,810 And I just... [sighs] 405 00:20:16,410 --> 00:20:19,910 It's sad and I'm never gonna be at peace with it 406 00:20:19,910 --> 00:20:21,476 because it's not okay. 407 00:20:23,143 --> 00:20:26,610 I have nightmares to this day. 408 00:20:26,610 --> 00:20:29,476 I can hear her voice calling to me. 409 00:20:31,943 --> 00:20:33,476 And it's hard. 410 00:20:37,309 --> 00:20:38,476 Sorry. 411 00:20:43,209 --> 00:20:48,476 It's affected me my whole life, as a mom. 412 00:20:54,243 --> 00:20:56,476 I mean, their moms will never be the same. 413 00:21:01,910 --> 00:21:04,276 [Mark] I knew exactly that it was him. 414 00:21:05,443 --> 00:21:06,977 It fit all the patterns. 415 00:21:08,309 --> 00:21:09,810 He worked on that route. 416 00:21:13,043 --> 00:21:15,209 [Will] So I went and talked to the Lincoln County 417 00:21:15,209 --> 00:21:18,309 and said, "Hey, you really need to take a look at this cat, 418 00:21:18,309 --> 00:21:22,610 he's done this and this and this and we're at this point in our investigation." 419 00:21:22,610 --> 00:21:25,910 And you can't say, "Hey, now, listen damn it, this is the only way. 420 00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:27,510 We're right, you're wrong." 421 00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:29,176 It doesn't work that way. 422 00:21:30,143 --> 00:21:33,143 [narrator] Two more women, eternally silenced. 423 00:21:33,143 --> 00:21:36,043 Will the monster ever be stopped? 424 00:21:36,043 --> 00:21:37,877 Will they finally trap him? 425 00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:41,109 [Bill speaking] 426 00:21:56,910 --> 00:22:00,109 [Bill] One of the most significant moments was when we played 427 00:22:00,109 --> 00:22:01,443 the interview that Ackroyd did. 428 00:22:03,043 --> 00:22:06,943 He told this TV guy, he said, "Yeah, they know who killed Kaye." 429 00:22:06,943 --> 00:22:08,076 [interviewer] What's his name? 430 00:22:09,109 --> 00:22:10,143 Roger. 431 00:22:10,143 --> 00:22:11,243 [interviewer] Roger? 432 00:22:11,243 --> 00:22:12,343 I think Beck. 433 00:22:12,343 --> 00:22:13,710 [interviewer] Friend of your? 434 00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:16,376 Not really. He's a friend of friends of mine. 435 00:22:17,743 --> 00:22:20,610 It's his best friend, you know. 436 00:22:20,610 --> 00:22:24,977 His ex-wife and Ackroyd had been main squeeze in high school. 437 00:22:26,143 --> 00:22:29,610 It just shows that he was just totally [bleep]. 438 00:22:29,610 --> 00:22:33,543 Totally trying to avoid any culpability. 439 00:22:33,543 --> 00:22:37,143 Good evening, it's October the 5th, a Tuesday, 1993. I'm Mike Smith. 440 00:22:37,143 --> 00:22:41,010 And I'm Carrie Gilman. John Ackroyd is accused of killing Kaye Jean Turner 441 00:22:41,010 --> 00:22:45,443 almost 15 years ago, as Turner was jogging on Christmas eve in Camp Sherman. 442 00:22:45,443 --> 00:22:49,109 This afternoon both prosecution and defense gave their closing arguments, 443 00:22:49,109 --> 00:22:51,209 and now, will await a verdict. 444 00:23:15,309 --> 00:23:18,710 [Mark] His job is to put doubt in the mind of the jury. 445 00:23:21,010 --> 00:23:26,109 And if he can create enough doubt, they'll find him not guilty. 446 00:24:00,109 --> 00:24:01,710 [Bill] I didn't watch the jury. 447 00:24:01,710 --> 00:24:06,576 When they walked in, I didn't have any indication from them what they were gonna do. 448 00:24:09,910 --> 00:24:12,576 If we weren't successful, 449 00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:15,376 he was gonna kill other women. 450 00:24:19,910 --> 00:24:21,910 A jury tonight has reached its decision in the trial of John Arthur Ackroyd. 451 00:24:21,910 --> 00:24:26,010 Ackroyd was convicted this evening of killing Kaye Jean Turner. 452 00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:29,543 Another man charged into the death of Turner will have a separate trial, 453 00:24:29,543 --> 00:24:31,176 beginning on April 18th. 454 00:24:33,643 --> 00:24:34,977 He buried himself. 455 00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:39,209 His lies throughout all the way to the end, 456 00:24:39,209 --> 00:24:45,010 all of those lies just... just aggregated to bury him. 457 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:47,610 [newscaster] Kaye's husband Noel Turner thought the sense of relief 458 00:24:47,610 --> 00:24:49,810 would be much greater than it is. 459 00:24:49,810 --> 00:24:52,376 You know, I feel like justice has been served. 460 00:24:53,543 --> 00:24:56,910 But it's not like the total weight's off your back. 461 00:24:56,910 --> 00:25:00,209 I mean, maybe it's just gonna be there. 462 00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:06,143 Mom got off the phone and stuff and I was, like, "What's up?" 463 00:25:06,143 --> 00:25:08,910 And she's, like, "John got convicted of the murder of Kaye Turner." 464 00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:10,510 I'm like, "Whoa." 465 00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:13,743 'Cause at that time that's when I'm starting to, kind of, shift. 466 00:25:13,743 --> 00:25:16,010 Like, "I don't think this guy is innocent." 467 00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:18,743 My mom was trying to justify it. 468 00:25:18,743 --> 00:25:23,610 When we talked with her and tell her that we thought John was probably responsible 469 00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:25,209 for Rachanda's death. 470 00:25:25,209 --> 00:25:32,143 She would get on board with it then drift back to whatever her basic default was, 471 00:25:32,143 --> 00:25:35,410 supporting John or just doing what he said. 472 00:25:35,410 --> 00:25:41,276 I don't think it took very much for John Ackroyd to control Linda Ackroyd. 473 00:25:42,910 --> 00:25:46,143 [narrator] For 20 years, Ackroyd rots in prison. 474 00:25:46,143 --> 00:25:50,010 20 years, questions go unanswered. 475 00:25:50,010 --> 00:25:55,710 John Ackroyd had been in prison for, you know, several years. 476 00:25:55,710 --> 00:26:00,476 We get word there was some possibility that he would get paroled. 477 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:05,743 They say, "In cold cases, time is your friend." 478 00:26:05,743 --> 00:26:07,309 People's opinions change. 479 00:26:07,309 --> 00:26:11,209 I was hoping I would go talk to John and he would have a change of heart. 480 00:26:15,043 --> 00:26:17,176 [Mike speaking] 481 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:23,843 How can I get John Arthur Ackroyd to actually talk to me 482 00:26:23,843 --> 00:26:25,877 without giving me a line of crap? 483 00:26:37,643 --> 00:26:40,209 It was getting close to Christmas time. 484 00:26:40,209 --> 00:26:43,476 I proposed to him, "How about you tell me where she is, 485 00:26:44,209 --> 00:26:47,510 we find her, you take us there, 486 00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:50,209 and we'll let you have Christmas dinner with your family?" 487 00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:53,176 [John speaking] 488 00:27:15,410 --> 00:27:17,410 [Mike speaking] 489 00:27:17,410 --> 00:27:19,309 -[John speaking] -[Mike speaking] 490 00:27:21,109 --> 00:27:22,743 [John speaking] 491 00:27:22,743 --> 00:27:24,410 [Mike speaking] 492 00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:29,476 [John speaking] 493 00:27:35,209 --> 00:27:39,810 He just, he wouldn't take the bait, if you will. 494 00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:45,176 So we wanted to bring John Arthur Ackroyd to trial on Rachanda's case. 495 00:27:46,343 --> 00:27:51,209 My hope was that through plea negotiations, 496 00:27:51,209 --> 00:27:53,677 that he would tell us where she was. 497 00:28:02,209 --> 00:28:06,243 Walking up the stairs into the court room, my anxiety started going up. 498 00:28:06,243 --> 00:28:08,777 I mean, there was once I thought, "Man, can I even do this?" 499 00:28:10,143 --> 00:28:15,710 Do we take it to trial or do we allow John to plead it out? 500 00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:20,010 This is kind of like, "What do I do? My mom ain't here and my dad's in prison." 501 00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:23,410 The two people who should be here because this is their child. 502 00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:26,143 You know, and I'm like, "What what is going to be the difference 503 00:28:26,143 --> 00:28:28,276 if we get a conviction or if he pleads to this?" And they're like, "Nothing." 504 00:28:32,309 --> 00:28:35,977 Ackroyd cut a deal with Linn County authorities to 505 00:28:37,143 --> 00:28:39,877 enter a no-contest plea for Rachanda's death 506 00:28:41,410 --> 00:28:45,109 in an exchange, he would not seek parole. 507 00:28:45,109 --> 00:28:49,510 But as a part of the plea, he's not giving up the location of Byron's sister. 508 00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:58,043 [Mike] I had two goals, Ackroyd would stay in prison. 509 00:28:58,043 --> 00:29:04,209 And two, Byron will get justice. Then we would get Rachanda's body back. 510 00:29:05,410 --> 00:29:07,576 And, I think for me, 511 00:29:09,043 --> 00:29:10,376 it's kind of a failure. 512 00:29:12,143 --> 00:29:14,209 Byron deserves a little bit of justice, 513 00:29:14,910 --> 00:29:15,843 closure. 514 00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:21,510 [Noelle] Ackroyd made the plea in open court, 515 00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:25,343 but then the judge immediately signed an order to seal the records. 516 00:29:25,343 --> 00:29:29,910 It was highly unusual, because pleas, typically, are a matter of public record. 517 00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:33,143 Attorneys with extensive experience in Oregon's criminal courts 518 00:29:33,143 --> 00:29:36,010 told The Oregonian that they've never heard of such a thing. 519 00:29:37,910 --> 00:29:39,710 So it was extraordinary. 520 00:29:42,309 --> 00:29:44,610 It protected Ackroyd to have it sealed? 521 00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:48,376 Does it serve the prosecution? 522 00:29:49,243 --> 00:29:50,710 I don't know. 523 00:29:52,843 --> 00:29:56,010 [Byron] It took me a lot of years to actually get to the point where 524 00:29:56,010 --> 00:29:58,710 I realized that John is the one that killed my sister. 525 00:29:58,710 --> 00:30:00,910 'Cause you would have to admit that 526 00:30:00,910 --> 00:30:03,643 someone that you cared about, someone that you thought loved you, 527 00:30:03,643 --> 00:30:08,309 someone that you loved yourself, would do something that heinous and hurtful. 528 00:30:08,309 --> 00:30:11,710 But hearing him actually plead no contest to the charges, 529 00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:16,877 to me that was just every ounce of me knowing that John killed my sister. 530 00:30:18,510 --> 00:30:21,209 If you were accused of murder, are you gonna take that no-contest plea? 531 00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:23,076 No. 532 00:30:26,443 --> 00:30:28,376 [narrator] John Ackroyd is guilty. 533 00:30:29,143 --> 00:30:31,376 Kaye Turner's killer is behind bars. 534 00:30:33,043 --> 00:30:35,109 But what about the other victims? 535 00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:43,043 [narrator] Who will speak for those who have never been found, 536 00:30:43,043 --> 00:30:45,376 who's deaths remain unsolved? 537 00:30:46,043 --> 00:30:47,877 They were silenced in life. 538 00:30:48,910 --> 00:30:50,510 Can they be heard now? 539 00:30:52,209 --> 00:30:55,010 [Linda] I was retired from the DA's office, 540 00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:57,677 and I missed a large portion of my job, 541 00:31:00,143 --> 00:31:05,810 I read that the previous DA had opened up three cold cases. 542 00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:11,810 And that he was forming a task force to investigate them. 543 00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:18,376 And so in May of 2009, I said I would love to help your cold case task force. 544 00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:25,043 We started looking into the Melissa Sanders and Sheila Swanson case. 545 00:31:25,043 --> 00:31:31,476 What I wanted for Melissa and Sheila was to have someone held accountable. 546 00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:37,309 I wanted to solve it for the girls and for their families and for the community. 547 00:31:37,309 --> 00:31:43,010 I mean, this community has had this black cloud hanging over them of these murdered girls. 548 00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:55,410 At the crime scene, Sheila and Melissa were found about 50 feet off of Hayes Creek road. 549 00:31:58,043 --> 00:32:02,143 I'm thinking that the one body was over in this area, 550 00:32:02,143 --> 00:32:07,076 and the other was about 50 feet away, just on the other side of that stump. 551 00:32:08,109 --> 00:32:11,710 The medical examiner could not determine cause of death. 552 00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:15,143 But he did note that there were several large fissures 553 00:32:15,143 --> 00:32:19,209 in one of them's abdomen and one of them's chest area, 554 00:32:19,209 --> 00:32:21,576 that could be indicative of a knife wound. 555 00:32:25,743 --> 00:32:30,777 [Ron] They found near Sheila's body part of a rivet. 556 00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:34,410 -The girls wouldn't have a rivet. -[Linda] Right. 557 00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:35,977 Why would they have a rivet? 558 00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:38,610 But a mechanic would. 559 00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:43,543 One of the things they also found was a beaded seat cushion 560 00:32:43,543 --> 00:32:48,810 and that was something almost all of the ODOT coworkers had 561 00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:54,510 and that was missing out of Ackroyd's truck when it was searched. 562 00:32:59,843 --> 00:33:02,443 Around the time the girls were reported missing, 563 00:33:02,443 --> 00:33:05,143 one of the few ODOT workers that worked after hours. 564 00:33:05,143 --> 00:33:07,010 -They couldn't say the exact time. -Right. 565 00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:08,010 Somewhere between ten to midnight. 566 00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:09,510 They heard the door bang. 567 00:33:10,343 --> 00:33:13,309 And so they went out to see who it was. 568 00:33:13,309 --> 00:33:15,610 And there was Ackroyd getting out of his truck, 569 00:33:15,610 --> 00:33:21,043 and his arms are covered in dried blood from the tip of his fingers to his elbows, 570 00:33:21,043 --> 00:33:22,677 on both arms. 571 00:33:23,810 --> 00:33:25,610 [George] Wow, man, what happened to you? 572 00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:27,343 You're afraid when you see something like that. 573 00:33:27,343 --> 00:33:29,010 The first reaction is that they got hurt. 574 00:33:31,109 --> 00:33:36,343 Second reaction from what they said, "That was way too much blood to be his." 575 00:33:36,343 --> 00:33:41,343 And he told them, "You know, I was coming back from Newport, 576 00:33:41,343 --> 00:33:45,276 and some guy had hit a deer and I helped him salvage some meat." 577 00:33:47,243 --> 00:33:52,943 And they didn't think anything of it until John gets arrested 578 00:33:52,943 --> 00:33:57,109 and they found the bodies in the area where John had been working. 579 00:33:59,043 --> 00:34:01,710 [Linda] We were building a really good circumstantial case. 580 00:34:03,309 --> 00:34:04,877 We really were gaining momentum 581 00:34:06,243 --> 00:34:07,810 and moving forward. 582 00:34:09,743 --> 00:34:11,410 And then all of a sudden, 583 00:34:12,209 --> 00:34:13,410 Ackroyd dies. 584 00:34:15,543 --> 00:34:17,843 I was really taken aback by that. 585 00:34:17,843 --> 00:34:20,877 Because it kind of stopped what we were trying so hard to do. 586 00:34:22,410 --> 00:34:27,143 We failed because he died, so we didn't get there fast enough, you know. 587 00:34:27,143 --> 00:34:30,176 We just didn't get there fast enough. 588 00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:37,043 The thing that was the most disturbing was that Sheila and Melissa go missing 589 00:34:37,043 --> 00:34:39,910 the night of May 3rd, 1992. 590 00:34:39,910 --> 00:34:43,677 John Ackroyd is arrested on June 12th, 1992. 591 00:34:45,943 --> 00:34:48,076 They came so close to missing him. 592 00:34:49,643 --> 00:34:51,977 [Mark] When the two young girls died, 593 00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:55,410 I felt like we failed. 594 00:34:56,243 --> 00:34:57,810 Completely. 595 00:34:57,810 --> 00:35:00,576 Because we left the guy on the street, 596 00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:03,109 and he did it again. 597 00:35:05,843 --> 00:35:09,910 [Linda] In order to be considered a serial killer, you have to have killed 598 00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:11,510 three or more people. 599 00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:15,643 So finding out that John Ackroyd murdered Sheila and Melissa, 600 00:35:15,643 --> 00:35:17,010 put him in that category. 601 00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:24,276 There were a cluster of disappearances that occurred in the late 70's 602 00:35:24,743 --> 00:35:26,710 off of Highway-20. 603 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:30,810 John Ackroyd started working for the Oregon Department of Transportation 604 00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:32,677 in January 1978. 605 00:35:37,943 --> 00:35:44,143 In his position as an ODOT driver, I'm sure he's coming across women who were stranded 606 00:35:44,143 --> 00:35:47,143 and need road-side assistance. 607 00:35:47,143 --> 00:35:53,510 And they would trust him. I mean, he's a state worker, driving a state truck. 608 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:56,610 They're out on the side of the road, you know, probably 609 00:35:56,610 --> 00:36:00,910 in the middle of the night, who else were they gonna trust to get them to a safe place? 610 00:36:00,910 --> 00:36:02,476 It's just 611 00:36:04,343 --> 00:36:10,343 an eerie thing to think about a serial killer roaming up and down Highway-20 612 00:36:10,343 --> 00:36:14,010 in a state truck, abducting and murdering women. 613 00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:21,143 I wonder how many more women are murdered and missing that we just don't know about, 614 00:36:21,143 --> 00:36:24,710 because of all the years that he was driving up and down that highway. 615 00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:34,710 [Mike] Melissa and Sheila, they were found on Highway-20 towards the coast. 616 00:36:35,209 --> 00:36:36,376 So, 617 00:36:37,743 --> 00:36:40,610 we'll go over here, 618 00:36:40,610 --> 00:36:42,209 a little bit farther up, 619 00:36:42,209 --> 00:36:48,076 one of the unidentified skeletons we have is Swamp Mountain Doe. 620 00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:51,209 We don't know her story. 621 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:55,309 Because we don't know who she is. We know she was under 30. 622 00:36:55,309 --> 00:36:59,710 Then you go up the road about 10 miles and that's where Snow Creek Doe was found, 623 00:36:59,710 --> 00:37:02,543 which is another skeletal remains. 624 00:37:02,543 --> 00:37:07,576 And this area here, is where Elizabeth Mussler was found 625 00:37:09,243 --> 00:37:11,276 at Thistle Creek Boat Ramp. 626 00:37:12,910 --> 00:37:17,510 [Linda] Mussler lived in the Jolly Roger Apartments on Highway-20. 627 00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:23,510 John Ackroyd's younger sister lived in that same apartment complex. 628 00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:28,510 So one day, she leaves her apartment and she's standing in the parking lot 629 00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:32,610 waiting for her dad to pick her up to take her to an eye appointment, 630 00:37:33,143 --> 00:37:34,343 and she's never seen again. 631 00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:39,276 [Mike] Another few miles was Karen Lee and Rodney Grissom. 632 00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:44,910 They were two, I think, runaways. 633 00:37:44,910 --> 00:37:48,043 They were last seen in Sweet Home. 634 00:37:48,043 --> 00:37:54,043 Karen Lee was talking on the phone and she said, "I gotta go, my ride's here." 635 00:37:54,043 --> 00:38:01,043 Logging crew found clothing in 1978, that belonged to Karen. 636 00:38:01,043 --> 00:38:05,109 And then about four years later, just about a 1/4-mile away, 637 00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:09,109 that's where Rodney's clothing and some other articles were found. 638 00:38:11,643 --> 00:38:17,010 These are victims whose either their possessions or their remains were found 639 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:23,743 in the same, kind of, broad swath off of Highway-20, where Ackroyd would've worked 640 00:38:23,743 --> 00:38:25,810 and lived and hunted and fished. 641 00:38:25,810 --> 00:38:30,109 These are the areas that he knew very well. So these cases have long been, kind of, 642 00:38:30,109 --> 00:38:32,276 associated with John Ackroyd. 643 00:38:34,843 --> 00:38:39,810 You know, in the case of Kaye, her case was solved, 644 00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:46,643 and ended with a conviction of two men who killed her, 645 00:38:46,643 --> 00:38:50,343 and they went to prison for a long period of time. 646 00:38:50,343 --> 00:38:53,576 But that wasn't the case for the other people. 647 00:38:56,043 --> 00:38:58,010 It certainly wasn't the case for Rachanda, 648 00:38:58,010 --> 00:39:01,576 whose case was sealed and received no attention from the press. 649 00:39:04,510 --> 00:39:09,643 And it definitely wasn't the case either for Melissa Sanders and Sheila Swanson, 650 00:39:09,643 --> 00:39:14,209 who were overlooked in life as they were in death. 651 00:39:14,209 --> 00:39:19,209 Their families were with none of whatever healing may come from a trial. 652 00:39:20,209 --> 00:39:22,510 It wasn't the case for Marlene, 653 00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:26,309 who's report of a rape just sat in a file drawer for years. 654 00:39:28,243 --> 00:39:30,610 She suffered quietly, 655 00:39:30,610 --> 00:39:37,610 never being able to find any kind of peace or healing, being ignored by a system. 656 00:39:37,610 --> 00:39:41,209 And the cost for that was 657 00:39:42,309 --> 00:39:46,043 extraordinary for other women he would encounter. 658 00:39:46,043 --> 00:39:52,777 So this is actually about what happens when you ignore women. 659 00:39:59,510 --> 00:40:04,410 [Marlene] If they would've believed one iota of my story, 660 00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:10,076 this would never have ever happened, ever. 661 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:15,410 Those poor women would still be alive. 662 00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:20,777 I took my own power back, I had too. No one else was gonna give it to me. 663 00:40:23,243 --> 00:40:27,209 I want women to know that they don't have to cower back down. 664 00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:31,309 Stay strong. 665 00:40:31,309 --> 00:40:32,677 Stand your ground. 666 00:40:34,243 --> 00:40:35,910 We give life. 667 00:40:37,843 --> 00:40:40,209 We should be a force to be reckoned with. 668 00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:47,043 When people say, "The best days of your life are when you get married 669 00:40:47,043 --> 00:40:49,376 and have your children," they're not joking, man. 670 00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:52,710 Greatest moments in time. 671 00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:55,576 And to know that my sister didn't get that opportunity, 672 00:40:57,243 --> 00:40:58,443 is very difficult. 673 00:41:03,743 --> 00:41:07,410 I knew when I had kids, it was gonna be way different. 674 00:41:09,610 --> 00:41:12,309 [Michelle] Just thinking about that day, 675 00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:15,276 like what Rachanda might have had to go through, 676 00:41:16,143 --> 00:41:17,943 it was preventable. 677 00:41:17,943 --> 00:41:19,410 Well, listen to your children. 678 00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:24,643 If a child comes to you and they're telling you something's happening, 679 00:41:24,643 --> 00:41:27,309 just go look, just go investigate, just talk to them. 680 00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:32,410 I will take care of my children, I will take care of any child around me. 681 00:41:33,443 --> 00:41:36,109 And I will fight for them. 682 00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:39,977 I would fight for them until I absolutely have no breath left in me. 683 00:41:43,743 --> 00:41:48,043 If Rachanda was able to be a mama, she would've done the same thing. 684 00:41:48,043 --> 00:41:52,176 Her children would've been the most loved and well-cared for. 685 00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:57,677 She would've broke the cycle. 686 00:41:59,209 --> 00:42:01,710 Because we broke the cycle.