1 00:14:36,877 --> 00:14:40,839 Specific to Jack in the Box, how did the burgers get contaminated? 2 00:26:33,468 --> 00:26:34,594 Okay, we ready? 3 00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:40,933 What falls under your jurisdiction? What falls under your jurisdiction? 4 00:27:56,384 --> 00:27:59,137 Ms. Eskin, does the USDA do anything 5 00:27:59,137 --> 00:28:01,264 on these cattle operations 6 00:28:01,264 --> 00:28:05,184 to make sure animal waste isn't getting into the irrigation water? 7 00:28:19,866 --> 00:28:22,118 Feels like a gap in the system. Does it not? 8 00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,549 To your response that it's a question for Congress, 9 00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:40,678 would you support legislation that gave USDA jurisdiction on the farm? 10 00:28:50,438 --> 00:28:54,817 Mr. Yiannas, what is the FDA doing to solve the problem, 11 00:28:54,817 --> 00:28:56,903 and should consumers be satisfied? 12 00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:25,681 How should I title you for your position? 13 00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:28,434 - Of? - LGMA. 14 00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:42,323 What are some of the more recognizable handlers 15 00:29:42,323 --> 00:29:45,159 that are part of the LGMA that we might know? 16 00:32:05,341 --> 00:32:08,970 How often do your members test their irrigation water? 17 00:50:54,552 --> 00:50:58,223 Let's just start off with, tell me what you do for work. 18 00:50:58,223 --> 00:51:02,268 I am a USDA consumer safety inspector, 19 00:51:02,268 --> 00:51:04,187 and I inspect chickens. 20 00:51:13,863 --> 00:51:17,450 We run over 300,000 chickens a day. 21 00:51:21,996 --> 00:51:27,293 We're looking at 175 birds a minute, and they're going by so fast. 22 00:51:29,921 --> 00:51:33,049 There's only one inspector at the very end of the line, 23 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,969 and they do miss a lot sometimes. 24 00:51:38,138 --> 00:51:40,223 Some of the plants I've worked at, 25 00:51:40,223 --> 00:51:43,893 I feel like the chicken's not safe to go out. 26 00:51:43,893 --> 00:51:47,480 I feel like consumers would really be shocked 27 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,567 at some of the stories that we could tell them. 28 00:51:52,652 --> 00:51:53,820 I've seen... 29 00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:57,949 ...plant person throwing chickens in the chiller 30 00:51:57,949 --> 00:52:00,702 and would have fecal matter in them. 31 00:52:03,621 --> 00:52:08,459 I've seen inspectors sleep on the line and product just going on by. 32 00:52:09,878 --> 00:52:12,839 And you'll see employees, they've been to the bathroom. 33 00:52:12,839 --> 00:52:15,008 They're not washing their hands. 34 00:52:15,008 --> 00:52:16,551 I've seen... 35 00:52:16,551 --> 00:52:21,055 ...people drop their knives, not attempt to pick them up and wash it, 36 00:52:21,055 --> 00:52:23,558 just go right back to using it. 37 00:52:25,977 --> 00:52:28,188 They got a quota they gotta meet. 38 00:52:28,188 --> 00:52:32,150 And, you know, I feel like they're there to make a profit 39 00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:34,027 and get the chickens through. 40 00:52:34,027 --> 00:52:36,529 They don't care what shape they're in. 41 00:54:23,219 --> 00:54:25,972 We run millions of birds a month. 42 00:54:26,723 --> 00:54:31,644 We test five salmonella samples a month of a whole bird. 43 00:54:33,271 --> 00:54:37,442 And we do five samples of parts at our plant. 44 00:54:42,363 --> 00:54:44,991 That's all the USDA does. 45 00:54:49,078 --> 00:54:52,540 And just because it says that "USDA inspected" on there, 46 00:54:52,540 --> 00:54:55,960 it don't mean nothing because it's gotta be on their label. 47 00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,256 I wouldn't want to eat nothing coming from some of the plants myself. 48 00:57:28,488 --> 00:57:30,239 On our first day of production, 49 00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:32,909 we went to a food safety lab in Seattle. 50 00:57:32,909 --> 00:57:36,370 We picked up five brands of raw chicken and tested them. 51 00:57:36,370 --> 00:57:39,624 And we were told by the lab, "You're not gonna get positive results." 52 00:57:39,624 --> 00:57:41,000 "It's too small of a sample." 53 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,836 We got one positive results, and it was Perdue. 54 00:57:43,836 --> 00:57:46,756 Can I just ask for your reaction to that? 55 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,656 It was infantis*. (*Infantis is an antibiotic resistant strain.) 56 00:58:14,867 --> 00:58:18,162 What do you think would be a fair sample set? 57 00:58:33,678 --> 00:58:38,432 {\an8}So you're going to be testing 150 chicken parts 58 00:58:38,432 --> 00:58:40,560 for us over the course of five weeks 59 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,021 from the top four major brands in this country. 60 01:04:44,298 --> 01:04:47,301 When you were nominated for your position by President Trump, 61 01:04:47,301 --> 01:04:50,804 a lobbyist for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association said that this was 62 01:04:50,804 --> 01:04:53,098 great news for the industry. 63 01:04:53,098 --> 01:04:55,976 Why was the industry so excited about you in particular? 64 01:05:01,357 --> 01:05:03,859 It had nothing to do with the fact 65 01:05:03,859 --> 01:05:06,654 that you had received a lot of money for your research 66 01:05:06,654 --> 01:05:09,281 from this very same group over the years? 67 01:05:31,887 --> 01:05:35,307 Are you saying it isn't a conflict of interest for you to regulate 68 01:05:35,307 --> 01:05:38,560 the very industry that has funded so many of your studies? 69 01:05:55,744 --> 01:05:58,372 Was your nomination also great news, do you think, 70 01:05:58,372 --> 01:06:01,542 for the consumers that rely on the government to keep their food safe? 71 01:06:30,529 --> 01:06:34,283 Have you made a decision on the Marler petition yet? 72 01:07:14,865 --> 01:07:16,283 She has the authority? 73 01:07:21,038 --> 01:07:22,664 So why doesn't she? 74 01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:14,516 I'm curious if you eat romaine? 75 01:13:16,143 --> 01:13:17,561 Do you eat romaine? 76 01:13:29,698 --> 01:13:32,659 {\an8}Are there any foods that you both absolutely avoid? 77 01:13:52,012 --> 01:13:54,473 Has the LGMA response prevented 78 01:13:54,473 --> 01:13:56,683 leafy greens outbreaks in your opinion? 79 01:14:02,189 --> 01:14:04,191 Are there any studies that document 80 01:14:04,191 --> 01:14:07,986 the improvement of safety after the implementation of LGMA? 81 01:14:17,871 --> 01:14:20,665 So you say that you feel confident 82 01:14:20,665 --> 01:14:22,459 that it's prevented certain outbreaks-- 83 01:14:23,543 --> 01:14:25,128 I want to run through 84 01:14:26,087 --> 01:14:28,340 some things that have gone down the past five years. 85 01:14:28,340 --> 01:14:31,635 So September 2017, eight people sick from spinach. 86 01:14:31,635 --> 01:14:36,932 November 2017, 67 people sick from another unknown leafy green outbreak. 87 01:14:36,932 --> 01:14:40,685 Then the following year in March, a big one, 248 people, five dead. 88 01:14:40,685 --> 01:14:42,312 April 2018, ten people. 89 01:14:42,312 --> 01:14:45,607 October 2018, three separate leafy green outbreaks, 90 01:14:45,607 --> 01:14:47,108 sickening 135 people. 91 01:14:47,108 --> 01:14:50,070 November, same thing, 167 people sick. 92 01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:52,822 November 2019, two more outbreaks that same year. 93 01:14:52,822 --> 01:14:55,575 October 2020, 40 people. 94 01:14:55,575 --> 01:14:57,702 This isn't a great track record, is it? 95 01:15:38,285 --> 01:15:39,911 I'm being asked to wrap up. 96 01:15:39,911 --> 01:15:43,873 What do you want the viewers to know about this issue?