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A child is a thing to be loved.

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A child is the manifestations
of both parents,

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and both parents see themselves
in the child.

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The child is part of them.

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He is their flesh and blood.

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And for good many years,

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he is a reflection of their personality.

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So when he grows up, one day he's
going to assert his own personality,

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which might very well differ
from the personalities

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and outlooks of his parents.

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Immediately, his parents feel very upset.

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You know, they don't see
themselves in him any more.

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And when these parents
don't see themselves in him,

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they feel they've lost him.

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But really, he's become
a human being in his own right.

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Brian's troubled relationship
with his parents

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would affect him throughout his life.

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His parents disapproved of his lifestyle.

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They wanted Brian to have
a proper job like his father.

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At the age of just 19,
he formed the Rolling Stones.

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They were the first of their kind

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and drove people crazy
with their long hair

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and their contempt
for convention and authority.

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Let's introduce you Stone
by Stone to the Rolling Stones.

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Hello, I'm Mick Jagger.

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Charlie Watts.

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Brian Jones.

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Bill Wyman.

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On the question of hair, boys,
you're pretty long in the hair.

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What's the point of long hair these days?

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I believe it's going out in England
and it's going out in Australia.

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You thought of
anything different, like plaiting
your hair or anything like this?

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We've got a comedian here, I see.

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I believe some of the Eastern States
groups have even suggested
that you're effeminate.

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What have you got to say about this?
Well, darling...

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Well, we're not, you know.

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I met Brian on a train
as a schoolboy, aged 14.

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I was surprised how open
and friendly he was,

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with a soft spoken middle class accent.

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He said he was a train spotter
and this was his favourite line -

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The Great Western.

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I remember the shock when hearing
he had died tragically

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just six years later.

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He seemed at the time
to have the world at his feet.

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Thank you very much.

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♪ Everybody wants somebody

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♪ Everybody wants somebody

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♪ Everybody needs somebody

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♪ Everybody... ♪

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I loved Mick and Keith.

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And Mick always was in awe of Brian.

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He absolutely loved him
and I think he wanted to be Brian.

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♪ Everybody wants somebody

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♪ Everybody needs somebody... ♪

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Cos he had all the girls
and he had all the fan mail.

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♪ Someone to love

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♪ Someone to kiss... ♪

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And Mick was trying really hard...

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..to get girlfriends, I think,
at that time.

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♪ Someone to please

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♪ Sometimes a squeeze... ♪

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That was what I remember,
that he was very impressed

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with the way that Brian
could just draw women to him.

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♪ I need you, you, you... ♪

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To Brian and Keith,
it was like a brother relationship.

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I saw Keith so fascinated
with the way Brian played

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and Brian showing him
certain guitar things.

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♪ I need you

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♪ Yes, I do... ♪

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And so they were very close.

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They were all rowing together
in this musical journey.

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Ladies and gentlemen,
it's all about to happen.

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Let's hear it for the fantastic
Rolling Stones!

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♪ I'm all right

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♪ I'm all right

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♪ I'm all right

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♪ I'm all right

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♪ I'm all right

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♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa

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♪ Come on down

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♪ Come on down

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♪ Come on down... ♪

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Brian then, was as popular
and famous as Mick.

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He was the heart and soul
of the early Stones.

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Yet most people today
haven't even heard of him.

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Brian answered most of the fan mail.

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"Dear Doreen, many thanks for your letter

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"and the great interest
you've shown in the band.

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"The band is really an
amalgamation of two bands,

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"the one being an R&B band
I formed the year ago

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"and the other being a group
run by Mick and Keith
in south east London.

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"We have, I might add,

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"a habit of breaking
audience attendance records."

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In the early days,
who got all the fan mail?

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Brian.

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The secretaries told me, "Well,
we get about 100 letters.

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"About 60 of them are for Brian,

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"about 25 are for Mick,
about ten for Charlie and Keith.

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"And there's about the same for you,
you know, and that's it, you know?

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"But Brian gets all the fan mail."

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He was brilliant, a brilliant musician.

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He shocked everybody with
the quality of his playing.

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We all dedicated ourselves to the band

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and Brian more so than anybody else,

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because it was his band in the beginning.

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So it meant the world to him
more than it did to the rest of us.

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Brian did everything.
He wrote in the music papers.

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He discussed things about the origins

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of what is actually
the blues and what is R&B.

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There's all those letters and
things. I've got copies of them.

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When Brian advertised for a band,

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he chose every single person
to come into his band.

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Let's recap on the Rolling Stones.

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How did you all get together
in the first place?

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Actually, I answered an advert
for a bass player, so...

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But the rest of them got together
individually in jazz clubs
and formed a sort of a group.

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How long ago was that?
Two years.

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And what were you doing
when you answered the advertisement?
Engineering, actually.

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And we'll move on now to Brian.

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How long have you been
with the Rolling Stones?
Are you one of the original members?

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Yes, one of the original members.

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What were you doing before you joined?

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Well, just sort of bumming around,
waiting for something
to happen, really.

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I had quite a few jobs and I was
trying to get a band going,

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but it was unsuccessful
until I met up with Mick and Keith

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and then that was a successful band.

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Well, can you think back to your
first engagement? Where was that?

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Erm...

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Marquee, Oxford Street, London.

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And may I ask how much you got
paid for that assignment?

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20 quid, which was good,
because six months later,
we were still working for 10 quid.

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♪ It's all right

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♪ It's all right, children

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♪ It's all right

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♪ It's all right, children

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♪ It's all right

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♪ Come on around, baby

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♪ Come on around, baby

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♪ Come on around, baby

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♪ Come on around, baby

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♪ Come on around, baby... ♪

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Mick used to stand in front of us.

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Mick's got the maracas

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and the audience just joining in
and all that.

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♪ Do you feel it, baby

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♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah

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♪ Do you feel it now

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♪ My, my, my... ♪

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It just got right into your body
and it was like a tribal gathering.

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♪ All right, all right, all right

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♪ All right, all right, all right

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♪ All right, all right, all right

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♪ All right, all right, all right

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♪ All right, all right, all right. ♪

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The blues were everything to Brian.

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He saw the Stones as promoting
unknown black blues music.

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"Dear Doreen, you raised the point
in your letter about blues material.

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"You must appreciate that blues
are not easy to put over

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"to the average club audience.

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"They prefer something more
in the twisting and jumping run.

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"Once again, thank you for your interest

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"in rhythm and blues and ourselves.

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"It's wonderful music
and deserves more recognition.

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"Yours sincerely,
Brian Jones for Rolling Stones."

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Mick and Keith moved
into the flat that Brian had.

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And Brian and Keith slept
in a double bed in the front room

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and Mick slept in a single bed
in the middle room.

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And then there was a kitchen,
which was a disaster.

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And it was a very severe winter
that year, '62,

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and we used to give him shillings
to put in the bloody meter

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for the one little electric fire.

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Brian used to say, "What's
the point of getting out of bed

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"when it's so fucking cold?
We might as well stay in bed!"

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So they used to get the guitars
and stay in bed

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and play guitar in bed.

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Luckily, we had nothing else to do.

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And since we were down to thieving
potatoes out of supermarkets anyway

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and selling beer bottles
back to the off-licence,

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there was nothing else to do except
push on, you know, and just...

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I mean, it had to get better,
even if it didn't get fantastic.

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You know, it was difficult.

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But I mean, it was fun too,
since we were determined

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that we were going
to stick together and play.

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Despite everything,

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Brian was always tried
to keep his parents' approval.

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"Dear Mum and Dad,
many thanks for your letters

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"and a thousand apologies
for not writing back before now.

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"Being leader and spokesman for the Stones

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"means I'm always busy and tied up.

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"If it's possible, I would
like to see you next
Monday or Tuesday.

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"But I warn you, my hair is pretty
long, although not untidy."

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"Success seems to be on its way,

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"though none of us
are too happy about 'Come On'."

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♪ Everything is wrong since me
and my baby parted

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♪ All day long I'm walking
cos I couldn't get my car started

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♪ Laid off from my job and... ♪

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"This record does not do
justice to the group."

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Brian would invite his mother
and father to the Stones concerts.

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But they never came.

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And Brian taught Keith to play with him.

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You know, all the linking notes.

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There they go.

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See, one's going up and the other
one's coming down.

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When one's coming down, he's going up.

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And it's so beautiful.
It's so perfect what they're doing.

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We did a song called Mona,
which is a Bo Diddley song.

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And you got... You'll have to
excuse me, that's my bloody...

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It's switched itself off now,
thank goodness.

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He learned to play along with the tremolo.

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You know, the - doo, doo, doo, doo,
doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

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And in time.

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And so you'll hear it on Mona here.

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♪ Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo.

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See?

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No-one was doing that then.

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♪ Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. ♪

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He was a fucker, you know.

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He would be really horrible sometimes.

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He had one side of him,
which I have to say was really,

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I wouldn't say evil,
but he was really cruel sometimes.

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There's photos of us being photographed

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and Brian's over the top of me
dropping cigarette ash on my head.

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But he used to do things like that.

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And not only to me, but to everybody.

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He always had to prove himself.
He was embarrassed about his size.

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And if he didn't get his way,

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he kind of used to get very aggressive

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and then he'd be all apologetic and,
"Sorry, man, I didn't mean it."

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He'd stubbed that cigarette out on
the back of your hand in the car...

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..and you'd always forgive him
because he was such
a nice, sweet guy.

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Brian had immense opposition
from his father.

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His dad didn't like him
trying to be a musician.

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They just thought, get a proper job.
You know, the same old thing.

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Up to a certain point,

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Brian was a perfectly normal,
conventional boy,

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who was well behaved and was well liked.

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Liked, I suppose, because
he was well behaved.

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He did his studies and he
was quite a model schoolboy.

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And then there came this peculiar
change in his early teens,

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at the time, I suppose,
he began to become a man,

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where he began to get
some resentment of authority.

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It was a rebellion
against parental authority

245
00:14:29,626 --> 00:14:33,503
and it was certainly a rebellion
against the school authority.

246
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He often used to say, why should
he do something he was told

247
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just because the person
who was telling him was older?

248
00:14:44,181 --> 00:14:47,474
From being an A grade student,
Brian rebelled.

249
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He failed in his studies
and put all his energy into music

250
00:14:51,312 --> 00:14:53,396
and picking up girls.

251
00:14:53,397 --> 00:14:56,441
He played occasionally clarinet
in the school orchestra,

252
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but Brian was not really interested
in anything else at the school.

253
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Not in athletics.
Not in any sports.

254
00:15:06,993 --> 00:15:08,910
Not in the cadet force,

255
00:15:08,912 --> 00:15:11,794
not in debating societies
or anything like that.

256
00:15:14,083 --> 00:15:17,920
He kept himself to himself quite
a bit at school, I would say.

257
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In the beginning of the '60s,
it was one society,

258
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just this mono culture, and it was
our generation who went beyond that.

259
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It's a level of sort of
middle class tightness,

260
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which you don't possibly
see so much any more.

261
00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:41,940
He had a pretty bad relationship
with his parents,

262
00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:45,902
who were very respectable,
very straight, very posh.

263
00:15:45,903 --> 00:15:48,948
But he used to say
he just couldn't stand it.

264
00:15:51,158 --> 00:15:55,758
The problem with Brian was
that he came from a very,
very bourgeois family...

265
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..who saw themselves as better
than the neighbours

266
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and better than this and better than that.

267
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All the time, his fanaticism for
jazz music was coming to the fore.

268
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It was a great disappointment to us
and a source of considerable anxiety

269
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when he became so wrapped up
in his love of jazz music

270
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that in spite of everything
we could do or say,

271
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he went off and did it.

272
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♪ Wop-bop-a-loo-mop alop-bom-bom

273
00:16:58,344 --> 00:17:00,511
♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

274
00:17:00,512 --> 00:17:03,222
♪ Tutti frutti, woo

275
00:17:03,223 --> 00:17:05,766
♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

276
00:17:05,767 --> 00:17:08,602
♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

277
00:17:08,603 --> 00:17:11,271
♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

278
00:17:11,272 --> 00:17:13,542
♪ Awop-bop-a-loo-mop
alop-bom-bom... ♪

279
00:17:31,582 --> 00:17:33,917
♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

280
00:17:33,918 --> 00:17:36,586
♪ Tutti frutti, woo

281
00:17:36,587 --> 00:17:39,255
♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

282
00:17:39,256 --> 00:17:42,007
♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti

283
00:17:42,008 --> 00:17:44,218
♪ Tutti frutti, oh rutti... ♪

284
00:17:44,219 --> 00:17:47,179
Frustrated by his parents' disapproval,

285
00:17:47,180 --> 00:17:51,975
Brian adopted Val's family and spent
all his time playing blues music.

286
00:17:51,976 --> 00:17:54,686
Val Corbett, yes, I knew her very well.

287
00:17:58,940 --> 00:18:02,777
She was rather stylish
and I thought she was rather nice.

288
00:18:04,237 --> 00:18:06,571
Brian was quite besotted with her

289
00:18:06,572 --> 00:18:09,532
and she, of course, was besotted with him.

290
00:18:09,533 --> 00:18:12,661
They were obviously made for each other.

291
00:18:17,499 --> 00:18:20,876
The next thing we heard
was that Val was pregnant

292
00:18:20,877 --> 00:18:24,295
and she at first was terribly pleased

293
00:18:24,296 --> 00:18:27,548
because she and Brian
were going to leave Cheltenham,

294
00:18:27,549 --> 00:18:30,677
go and live in London
and get a place together.

295
00:18:32,679 --> 00:18:36,641
And suddenly it dawned on her
that wasn't going to happen.

296
00:19:09,295 --> 00:19:14,799
On December the 22nd, 1960, Brian,
aged 17, was kicked out of his home.

297
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,635
His father would later refer to this as

298
00:19:17,636 --> 00:19:20,096
"my most drastic of all actions,

299
00:19:20,097 --> 00:19:23,350
"which I shall never forget
or cease to worry over."

300
00:19:47,038 --> 00:19:49,164
Brian, now rejected by his parents,

301
00:19:49,165 --> 00:19:51,791
moved in with Pat and her sister, Betty,

302
00:19:51,792 --> 00:19:54,752
and was looked after by their parents.

303
00:19:54,753 --> 00:19:57,421
This became a pattern
of Brian's behaviour -

304
00:19:57,422 --> 00:20:01,383
adopting other families, getting the
daughters pregnant and then leaving.

305
00:20:01,384 --> 00:20:04,553
This would happen at least five times.

306
00:20:04,554 --> 00:20:06,764
Do you feel bitter at all?

307
00:20:08,140 --> 00:20:10,183
I'm not actually bitter.

308
00:20:10,184 --> 00:20:12,351
I feel quite sorry for Brian in a way,

309
00:20:12,352 --> 00:20:14,437
because the kind of person he is,

310
00:20:14,438 --> 00:20:17,815
you can never be happy,
could never have true friends.

311
00:20:17,816 --> 00:20:22,527
The only friends he has probably
like him because of what he is.

312
00:20:22,528 --> 00:20:26,656
I think if he was turned out
on to the streets, nobody
would want to know Brian.

313
00:20:26,657 --> 00:20:29,951
He's not the kind of person
that you take to

314
00:20:29,952 --> 00:20:31,994
because he's so cynical.

315
00:20:31,995 --> 00:20:34,079
He's got no feelings for anybody.

316
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,790
He just uses people for his own good.

317
00:20:36,791 --> 00:20:39,584
And when he's finished,
he throws them aside.

318
00:20:39,585 --> 00:20:41,671
So I just feel sorry for him.

319
00:20:43,506 --> 00:20:46,549
Brian's own life mirrored
the rebellious spirit of the Stones

320
00:20:46,550 --> 00:20:48,801
more than any other member.

321
00:20:48,802 --> 00:20:50,928
Expelled from two schools.

322
00:20:50,929 --> 00:20:52,971
Thrown out of his home.

323
00:20:52,972 --> 00:20:55,182
A reckless personal life.

324
00:20:55,183 --> 00:20:57,560
The blues was Brian's salvation.

325
00:21:17,286 --> 00:21:19,495
♪ Oh, a child's coming

326
00:21:19,496 --> 00:21:23,082
♪ He's going to be,
going to be a rollin' stone

327
00:21:23,083 --> 00:21:26,378
♪ He's going to be
a rollin' stone... ♪

328
00:21:38,806 --> 00:21:40,973
♪ Well, I feel

329
00:21:40,974 --> 00:21:43,268
♪ Yes, I feel. ♪

330
00:22:08,541 --> 00:22:10,416
Tell us something about him, Brian.

331
00:22:10,417 --> 00:22:12,085
When we started playing together,

332
00:22:12,086 --> 00:22:15,046
we started playing because
we wanted to play rhythm and blues.

333
00:22:15,047 --> 00:22:17,548
And Howlin' Wolf was one
of our greatest idols.

334
00:22:17,549 --> 00:22:21,843
And it's a great pleasure to finally
be booked on this show tonight...
Thanks to Howlin' Wolf.

335
00:22:21,844 --> 00:22:25,388
So I think it's about time you shut
up and we had Howlin' Wolf onstage.

336
00:22:25,389 --> 00:22:28,016
I agree! Let's get him on.
Howlin' Wolf!

337
00:22:28,017 --> 00:22:30,226
It was a huge deal for those guys

338
00:22:30,227 --> 00:22:33,229
because they'd just never
really been on TV.

339
00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:36,565
To be there are peak time in America,

340
00:22:36,566 --> 00:22:39,193
that was an incredibly big deal.

341
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,323
♪ How many more years

342
00:22:45,491 --> 00:22:48,535
♪ Have I got to let you dog me around?

343
00:22:51,038 --> 00:22:53,873
♪ How many more years

344
00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:58,753
♪ Have I got to let you
dog me around? ♪

345
00:22:59,754 --> 00:23:02,964
It's an incredible moment
and there are still people

346
00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:07,469
who put it as one of the
greatest TV moments of the 1960s.

347
00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:18,812
There's a great period
in the first couple of years

348
00:23:18,813 --> 00:23:21,272
where he seemed to have real insight.

349
00:23:21,273 --> 00:23:23,733
And I'm talking about 1961, 1962.

350
00:23:23,734 --> 00:23:26,555
♪ I'll try to show it
if you're driving me back

351
00:23:28,071 --> 00:23:30,365
♪ Your love for me has got to be real

352
00:23:32,033 --> 00:23:34,202
♪ For you to know just how I feel

353
00:23:35,786 --> 00:23:38,122
♪ Love for real
and not fade away... ♪

354
00:23:40,165 --> 00:23:45,210
So you worked out both the keys
of open tunings of blues,

355
00:23:45,211 --> 00:23:47,921
which is D slash E, which is open D or E,

356
00:23:47,922 --> 00:23:50,841
which is Elmore James, and he was open G,

357
00:23:50,842 --> 00:23:53,677
which is Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson.

358
00:24:01,768 --> 00:24:04,406
♪ I'm going to tell you
how it's going to be

359
00:24:06,064 --> 00:24:08,608
♪ You're going to give your love to me

360
00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:12,151
♪ Love to last
more than one day... ♪

361
00:24:12,153 --> 00:24:14,779
So what did we do for the fifth single?

362
00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:18,491
We wanted to do a blues
and everybody said,

363
00:24:18,492 --> 00:24:22,369
"Don't do it because
you'll destroy your career.

364
00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:26,915
"No-one's ever done a blues record
for a single in England."

365
00:24:26,916 --> 00:24:28,958
You know, it's the worst thing.

366
00:24:28,959 --> 00:24:33,129
Like they said to Ray Charles,
"Don't do a country album
because it will destroy you."

367
00:24:33,130 --> 00:24:35,589
And it was the greatest thing he ever did.

368
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:37,983
Well, when we did Little Red Rooster...

369
00:24:38,927 --> 00:24:41,803
..they said, you know,
"You're going to kill yourself."

370
00:24:41,804 --> 00:24:45,348
It came out on the Friday
and on the Monday it was number one.

371
00:24:45,349 --> 00:24:46,934
And Brian...

372
00:24:48,352 --> 00:24:51,113
..controlled the whole band.
I'll start again.

373
00:24:54,858 --> 00:24:56,818
That's Brian with a slide.

374
00:25:01,322 --> 00:25:03,323
See, he's doing it.

375
00:25:03,324 --> 00:25:05,867
♪ I am the little red rooster... ♪

376
00:25:05,868 --> 00:25:08,245
What is anybody else doing?

377
00:25:12,499 --> 00:25:14,834
See, he's making the song.

378
00:25:16,336 --> 00:25:20,130
♪ Everybody wants somebody

379
00:25:20,131 --> 00:25:24,884
♪ Everybody needs somebody

380
00:25:24,885 --> 00:25:27,553
♪ To love... ♪

381
00:25:27,554 --> 00:25:29,681
So we were completely unique.

382
00:25:31,057 --> 00:25:32,849
♪ Someone to kiss

383
00:25:32,850 --> 00:25:34,351
♪ Oh, yeah

384
00:25:34,352 --> 00:25:36,227
♪ Sometimes a miss

385
00:25:36,228 --> 00:25:38,230
♪ Someone to please

386
00:25:39,523 --> 00:25:41,316
♪ And sometimes a squeeze

387
00:25:42,776 --> 00:25:45,027
♪ I need you, you, you

388
00:25:45,028 --> 00:25:47,905
♪ I need you, you, you

389
00:25:47,906 --> 00:25:49,823
♪ I need you... ♪

390
00:25:49,824 --> 00:25:52,492
Bo Diddley couldn't believe
how good we were.

391
00:25:52,493 --> 00:25:54,370
♪ You, you, you

392
00:25:55,371 --> 00:25:57,663
♪ Sometimes I feel like

393
00:25:57,665 --> 00:26:00,166
♪ I get a little sad inside

394
00:26:00,167 --> 00:26:02,585
♪ When my baby mistreats me

395
00:26:02,586 --> 00:26:05,212
♪ I kind of get a little bit mad

396
00:26:05,213 --> 00:26:07,089
♪ I need you... ♪

397
00:26:07,090 --> 00:26:10,301
Rolling Stones!
Rolling Stones! Rolling Stones!

398
00:26:24,397 --> 00:26:28,025
♪ Oh, Carol, don't let him
steal your heart away

399
00:26:29,985 --> 00:26:33,727
♪ I'm going to learn to dance
if it takes me all night and day

400
00:26:36,324 --> 00:26:39,536
♪ Climb into my machine
so we can groove on out

401
00:26:41,829 --> 00:26:45,633
♪ I know some swinging little joint
where we can jump and shout

402
00:26:47,251 --> 00:26:49,252
♪ It's not too far back... ♪

403
00:26:49,253 --> 00:26:51,963
There was rioting
whenever the Stones played.

404
00:26:51,964 --> 00:26:55,049
It was an outpouring of emotion
against the authorities

405
00:26:55,050 --> 00:26:58,136
and the traditional ways of doing things.

406
00:27:00,013 --> 00:27:03,139
♪ A little cutie takes your hat
and you can thank her ma'am... ♪

407
00:27:03,140 --> 00:27:06,100
The way the Stones looked and dressed,

408
00:27:06,101 --> 00:27:09,521
their hair and sexuality,
was a whole new feeling.

409
00:27:12,399 --> 00:27:16,568
Everyone fancied both Brian
and Mick, both male and female.

410
00:27:16,569 --> 00:27:20,030
They had this extraordinary
androgynous quality.

411
00:27:20,031 --> 00:27:24,079
♪ I'm going to learn to dance if
it takes me all night and day... ♪

412
00:28:01,902 --> 00:28:07,114
Brian met Linda Lawrence in 1962
and was adopted into her family.

413
00:28:07,115 --> 00:28:09,033
I only saw him.

414
00:28:10,034 --> 00:28:11,826
Yeah, and heard him.

415
00:28:11,827 --> 00:28:13,912
The sound was what I was connecting to

416
00:28:13,913 --> 00:28:16,957
and it was the harmonica
and the slide guitar.

417
00:28:18,834 --> 00:28:22,211
The first time I'd ever
heard that kind of music

418
00:28:22,212 --> 00:28:25,005
or felt that kind of feeling,
it was just...

419
00:28:25,006 --> 00:28:26,716
Just amazing.

420
00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:32,513
Yeah, a whole feeling came over me
that I'd never felt before.

421
00:28:34,807 --> 00:28:37,183
♪ My days are pretty rough

422
00:28:37,184 --> 00:28:41,019
♪ I want you to come back,
come back, come back... ♪

423
00:28:41,021 --> 00:28:42,980
It was instant.

424
00:28:42,981 --> 00:28:45,273
Like, if you can call it love.

425
00:28:45,274 --> 00:28:49,737
At the time, I wouldn't have known
what that was, but now I do.

426
00:28:52,114 --> 00:28:54,573
There was a point that came where he said,

427
00:28:54,574 --> 00:28:58,827
"Can I come stay with you in
Windsor with your parents?"

428
00:28:58,828 --> 00:29:01,121
And I said, "Yeah."

429
00:29:01,122 --> 00:29:03,457
Yeah, my parents loved him.

430
00:29:07,419 --> 00:29:10,464
♪ Somebody stop this pain in my heart

431
00:29:13,925 --> 00:29:17,636
♪ My, my, my, my, my, my

432
00:29:17,637 --> 00:29:19,764
♪ Don't you know, one day

433
00:29:21,474 --> 00:29:23,725
♪ My days are pretty rough

434
00:29:23,726 --> 00:29:25,601
♪ Won't you love me?

435
00:29:25,602 --> 00:29:27,187
♪ Love me. ♪

436
00:29:37,447 --> 00:29:40,031
Most of the time it was all about music

437
00:29:40,032 --> 00:29:42,784
and what records he's going to get.

438
00:29:42,785 --> 00:29:46,329
And how he was going to play this
and, you know...

439
00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:50,999
And I would often put
the records on over and over again

440
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,877
so that he could get the riffs and things.

441
00:29:53,878 --> 00:29:58,299
Put it back on and have a listen
and get the sound.

442
00:30:06,890 --> 00:30:09,433
Seeing them get more and more popular

443
00:30:09,434 --> 00:30:12,602
and more and more people
coming to see them,

444
00:30:12,603 --> 00:30:14,814
it was very exciting.

445
00:30:34,248 --> 00:30:37,501
And we got very, very much in love.

446
00:31:21,415 --> 00:31:24,626
He was loved by so many people.
I didn't mind that.

447
00:31:24,627 --> 00:31:27,420
I knew he loved me, so I didn't care.

448
00:31:27,421 --> 00:31:29,463
And I knew we were young.

449
00:31:29,464 --> 00:31:31,423
I just knew he loved me.

450
00:31:31,425 --> 00:31:32,883
And I...

451
00:31:32,884 --> 00:31:35,177
I felt like it's OK.

452
00:31:35,178 --> 00:31:37,638
You know, he'll be back.

453
00:32:17,299 --> 00:32:19,133
Brian's rivalry with Mick

454
00:32:19,134 --> 00:32:21,552
for leadership of the Stones was growing.

455
00:32:21,553 --> 00:32:23,637
Mick was the natural frontman

456
00:32:23,638 --> 00:32:26,640
and Brian's insecurity played into this.

457
00:32:26,641 --> 00:32:29,768
A visible friction grew up between them.

458
00:32:29,769 --> 00:32:32,438
It began to dominate Brian's thinking.

459
00:32:51,997 --> 00:32:55,750
Brian sent me to a modelling course
for a little while in London

460
00:32:55,751 --> 00:32:59,253
and I had taken the hairdressing course.

461
00:32:59,254 --> 00:33:02,464
So I was really into hair
and I was saying,

462
00:33:02,465 --> 00:33:05,592
"Just grow your hair,
don't cut it", you know.

463
00:33:05,593 --> 00:33:10,054
And then when it did get quite long,
I would trim it,

464
00:33:10,055 --> 00:33:13,557
but not cut it, and make that shape.

465
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:15,726
He was like a gentleman.

466
00:33:15,727 --> 00:33:18,437
He was all dressed in his white
shirt and his jacket

467
00:33:18,438 --> 00:33:20,647
and he was open doors.

468
00:33:20,648 --> 00:33:25,361
It was that kind of... Very
gentlemanly and gentle spoken.

469
00:33:26,695 --> 00:33:29,405
He had a family, obviously.

470
00:33:29,406 --> 00:33:32,491
And after a while, we drove down.

471
00:33:32,492 --> 00:33:35,203
He wanted me to meet his parents.

472
00:33:36,496 --> 00:33:40,040
And I know he didn't take many
people down to meet his parents,

473
00:33:40,041 --> 00:33:42,375
so I knew it was something special.

474
00:33:42,376 --> 00:33:46,462
Did you feel that Brian cared a lot
what his parents thought?

475
00:33:46,463 --> 00:33:48,256
Oh, very much.

476
00:33:48,257 --> 00:33:51,133
That was the whole thing,
that he really did want them

477
00:33:51,134 --> 00:33:54,970
to like what he was doing
and, you know, be proud of him.

478
00:33:54,971 --> 00:33:58,516
That was the whole point,
I think, of us going there.

479
00:34:00,226 --> 00:34:02,894
They wanted him to have
a different career.

480
00:34:02,895 --> 00:34:08,732
Something more like what his father
had been doing - a good paying job.

481
00:34:08,733 --> 00:34:13,320
But Brian kind of saw that
and he kind of rebelled

482
00:34:13,321 --> 00:34:15,656
and stepped out of it.

483
00:34:20,786 --> 00:34:23,663
♪ I warned you baby from time to time

484
00:34:23,664 --> 00:34:26,248
♪ You don't listen so pay me no mind

485
00:34:26,249 --> 00:34:28,208
♪ About moving on

486
00:34:28,209 --> 00:34:30,336
♪ Yeah, I'm moving on... ♪

487
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:34,089
We became the love generation

488
00:34:34,090 --> 00:34:36,666
and the music was going to be the opening.

489
00:34:37,343 --> 00:34:39,802
♪ Mister Engineer
with your throttle in hand

490
00:34:39,803 --> 00:34:42,388
♪ Take me back to that Southern land

491
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:44,181
♪ It's called moving

492
00:34:44,182 --> 00:34:46,684
♪ Keep a rolling on

493
00:34:47,935 --> 00:34:49,853
♪ You're flying too high

494
00:34:49,854 --> 00:34:51,981
♪ For my old sky
I'll move on. ♪

495
00:36:00,084 --> 00:36:03,670
Dawn Molloy was the mother
of Brian's fifth child.

496
00:36:03,671 --> 00:36:05,755
I was 18.

497
00:36:05,756 --> 00:36:08,966
I don't think I'd ever
been in love before.

498
00:36:08,967 --> 00:36:11,802
Every time I saw him,
my heart skipped a beat.

499
00:36:11,803 --> 00:36:13,887
And every time we saw me, he...

500
00:36:13,888 --> 00:36:16,891
It was obvious that he wanted me.

501
00:36:18,934 --> 00:36:21,812
Being a Catholic, I was very...

502
00:36:22,813 --> 00:36:24,272
..inhibited.

503
00:36:24,273 --> 00:36:26,607
He kind of got that out of me.

504
00:36:26,608 --> 00:36:30,528
Not to be ashamed of my body
and what I could do.

505
00:36:32,363 --> 00:36:35,283
He was very, very sexy.

506
00:36:37,451 --> 00:36:41,370
Yeah, the way he made love,
he just was insatiable.

507
00:36:41,371 --> 00:36:43,415
He made me feel...

508
00:36:44,583 --> 00:36:46,041
..amazing.

509
00:36:46,042 --> 00:36:47,877
He just made me feel...

510
00:36:48,878 --> 00:36:50,755
..loved and special.

511
00:36:51,964 --> 00:36:54,632
He was an amazing teacher

512
00:36:54,633 --> 00:36:57,803
of how you should make love to a woman.

513
00:37:00,847 --> 00:37:03,725
My parents, they had
such a thing against...

514
00:37:04,726 --> 00:37:07,353
..long-haired pop stars.

515
00:37:08,354 --> 00:37:10,397
"Oh, this music's no good."

516
00:37:10,398 --> 00:37:13,692
You know how it is.
They didn't want any of it.

517
00:37:15,235 --> 00:37:17,987
I never dreamed
he'd come to our apartment.

518
00:37:17,988 --> 00:37:20,280
There he was, on the doorstep.

519
00:37:20,282 --> 00:37:22,491
"Good evening, Mrs Malloy."

520
00:37:22,492 --> 00:37:24,451
And kissed her hand.

521
00:37:24,452 --> 00:37:26,328
I mean, who does that?

522
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:27,830
It's just...

523
00:37:29,415 --> 00:37:31,166
He had suave.

524
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:34,752
They liked him in the end.

525
00:37:34,753 --> 00:37:38,714
Then my mum said, "Well, why
don't you go down to your bedroom?

526
00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:40,967
"Show Brian your bedroom."

527
00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:45,637
♪ I'm going to tell you
how it's going to be... ♪

528
00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:48,222
And then he turned around
and asked my parents

529
00:37:48,223 --> 00:37:50,308
if he could take me on tour.

530
00:37:50,309 --> 00:37:52,935
There's no way my dad
is going to let me go.

531
00:37:52,936 --> 00:37:54,728
But my dad said,

532
00:37:54,729 --> 00:37:58,774
"Well, you know, as long
as you're in a different room

533
00:37:58,775 --> 00:38:01,569
"and you take care of her, it's OK."

534
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:13,871
The security wasn't around,

535
00:38:13,872 --> 00:38:18,208
so you could just walk into a hotel
and the girls were everywhere.

536
00:38:18,209 --> 00:38:21,669
We went to our room
and there's this girl there

537
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:25,131
and she's just sitting
on the bed stark naked.

538
00:38:25,132 --> 00:38:28,425
And then we went into the bathroom
and there's another one.

539
00:38:28,426 --> 00:38:31,846
And they're willing to give
everything to them.

540
00:38:33,598 --> 00:38:36,641
The police had no idea what hit them.

541
00:38:36,642 --> 00:38:39,435
They were completely taken by surprise.

542
00:38:39,436 --> 00:38:41,563
And it was terrifying.

543
00:38:48,236 --> 00:38:50,153
I could see all their feet,

544
00:38:50,154 --> 00:38:52,697
trampling on people in stiletto heels,

545
00:38:52,698 --> 00:38:54,741
going for his arms and stuff.

546
00:38:54,742 --> 00:38:56,993
I thought I was going to die.

547
00:38:56,994 --> 00:39:01,248
It was like being in a tube train
and you can't move.

548
00:39:02,415 --> 00:39:04,291
I think Mick lost some hair.

549
00:39:04,292 --> 00:39:07,627
They pulled... Literally
pulled hair out of his head.

550
00:39:07,629 --> 00:39:12,466
And I started to fall back
and I fell back and Mick caught me.

551
00:39:13,509 --> 00:39:16,802
Brian was looking for me,
so he came around the corner

552
00:39:16,803 --> 00:39:19,263
and saw me in the arms of Mick.

553
00:39:19,264 --> 00:39:20,807
And then...

554
00:39:21,808 --> 00:39:23,517
..Brian lost it.

555
00:39:23,518 --> 00:39:27,520
"Keep your hands off my fucking
girl! You're not having
all my girlfriends!"

556
00:39:27,522 --> 00:39:29,272
And all that kind of stuff.

557
00:39:29,273 --> 00:39:32,608
Mick said, "Hey, I'm just holding
her, you know. She just fell.

558
00:39:32,609 --> 00:39:34,569
"Don't be a dick", you know?

559
00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:37,780
And then Bill said,
"Yeah, sometimes you get like that.

560
00:39:37,781 --> 00:39:40,419
"You just have to leave him,
he'll be fine."

561
00:39:41,993 --> 00:39:44,287
Everybody went through their...

562
00:39:45,288 --> 00:39:47,288
..star trip, you know.

563
00:39:47,289 --> 00:39:53,252
And I think Brian was
the only one that it changed

564
00:39:53,253 --> 00:39:57,673
in a really deep way
and probably not for the better.

565
00:39:57,674 --> 00:40:00,717
It was very difficult for him, you know,

566
00:40:00,718 --> 00:40:04,929
and not made any easier probably
by the rest of us, you know,

567
00:40:04,930 --> 00:40:08,808
because nobody had the time
to look after somebody else.

568
00:40:08,809 --> 00:40:14,772
If one of them isn't quite strong
enough to deal with that situation

569
00:40:14,773 --> 00:40:17,734
there's very little you can do
to help him.

570
00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:24,030
They were all a little wary,
I think, of Brian

571
00:40:24,031 --> 00:40:26,199
because he could be kind of moody.

572
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,576
But I think they put that on him

573
00:40:28,577 --> 00:40:31,120
because he was supposed to be the leader

574
00:40:31,121 --> 00:40:33,540
and he was no longer the leader.

575
00:40:42,172 --> 00:40:46,425
Mick ruled the roost as far
as what they were going to play

576
00:40:46,426 --> 00:40:50,596
and the fact that he could
write music and Brian couldn't.

577
00:40:50,597 --> 00:40:54,057
I think there may have been
a little jealousy there.

578
00:40:54,058 --> 00:40:57,478
The fact that Mick and Keith
were so close.

579
00:40:58,479 --> 00:41:00,521
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah

580
00:41:00,522 --> 00:41:02,398
♪ I feel all right

581
00:41:02,399 --> 00:41:04,424
♪ I feel all right, children... ♪

582
00:41:06,403 --> 00:41:09,613
I think they were a little bit lost
until Andrew came along.

583
00:41:09,614 --> 00:41:11,948
And then Andrew kind of laid down the law

584
00:41:11,949 --> 00:41:15,034
and said what he wanted to do,
which was all very well.

585
00:41:15,035 --> 00:41:18,913
And I thought that was a good idea
to have a manager,

586
00:41:18,914 --> 00:41:21,165
but I don't think Brian realised

587
00:41:21,166 --> 00:41:24,502
that he would be handing
everything over to him.

588
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,137
They had two different ideas
of what they wanted to do.

589
00:41:36,138 --> 00:41:41,433
Brian loved Howlin' Wolf and he
wanted to stay as a blues group.

590
00:41:41,434 --> 00:41:43,895
Andrew wanted them to be pop.

591
00:42:08,834 --> 00:42:13,546
And I think Andrew and Brian
just didn't hit it off.

592
00:42:13,547 --> 00:42:16,882
And I think they just got
into loggerheads.

593
00:42:16,883 --> 00:42:18,467
Pop sold.

594
00:42:18,468 --> 00:42:22,053
And obviously Andrew wanted to make money.

595
00:42:22,054 --> 00:42:23,638
Thank you.

596
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:25,390
"Dear Melinda,

597
00:42:25,391 --> 00:42:27,391
"Mick is the head of the group.

598
00:42:27,392 --> 00:42:30,060
"At one time I was, but Mick took over.

599
00:42:30,062 --> 00:42:32,813
"Don't ask me why. We just thought
it would be better,

600
00:42:32,814 --> 00:42:34,565
"as he is a good leader.

601
00:42:34,566 --> 00:42:37,943
"Mick's birthday was on the 26th of July.

602
00:42:37,944 --> 00:42:40,111
"I must rush, dear, honestly.

603
00:42:40,112 --> 00:42:42,363
"Brian Jones."

604
00:42:42,364 --> 00:42:46,617
I guess he was a little jealous
of Mick because he was...

605
00:42:46,618 --> 00:42:49,370
He had all the fame sort of thing.

606
00:42:49,371 --> 00:42:53,416
But I don't think Brian realised
that he had just as much too.

607
00:43:01,590 --> 00:43:03,507
♪ Oh, Carol

608
00:43:03,508 --> 00:43:05,927
♪ Don't let him steal your heart away

609
00:43:07,762 --> 00:43:09,388
♪ I'm gonna learn to dance

610
00:43:09,389 --> 00:43:12,183
♪ If it takes me all night and day

611
00:43:14,268 --> 00:43:17,646
♪ Climb into my machine
so we can groove on out... ♪

612
00:43:32,284 --> 00:43:34,410
I think he would've liked
to have been like Mick,

613
00:43:34,411 --> 00:43:35,995
but then no-one's like Mick.

614
00:43:35,996 --> 00:43:39,790
He has this charisma about him,
he has amazing energy.

615
00:43:39,791 --> 00:43:43,717
♪ A little cutie takes your hat and
you can thank her, ma'am... ♪

616
00:43:55,889 --> 00:44:00,268
I understand, Brian, because I think
he was a lost person.

617
00:44:03,396 --> 00:44:07,190
The success of the Stones
was unbelievable.

618
00:44:07,191 --> 00:44:10,902
But at a time when Brian could
have celebrated the success

619
00:44:10,903 --> 00:44:14,321
of the band he had founded,
he was locked in conflict

620
00:44:14,322 --> 00:44:16,491
with problems of his own creation.

621
00:44:19,077 --> 00:44:21,995
The reason I found out about Linda
was because I was told

622
00:44:21,996 --> 00:44:23,538
to go to Torquay.

623
00:44:23,539 --> 00:44:26,165
And then Stu told me, no,
I couldn't go in and see him

624
00:44:26,166 --> 00:44:28,251
because Linda was there with the baby.

625
00:44:28,252 --> 00:44:30,753
I'm like, "What... Whose baby?",
you know?

626
00:44:30,754 --> 00:44:32,421
He said, "Well, Brian's."

627
00:44:32,422 --> 00:44:35,007
♪ Well, you know my lovin'
not fade away... ♪

628
00:44:35,008 --> 00:44:38,301
Fame is a very strange thing.

629
00:44:38,302 --> 00:44:40,887
And he wanted that as well.

630
00:44:40,888 --> 00:44:42,680
And so that was the choice

631
00:44:42,681 --> 00:44:45,099
he had to make.

632
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:46,892
And...

633
00:44:46,894 --> 00:44:48,103
And he did.

634
00:44:52,941 --> 00:44:55,400
I was at all the gigs.

635
00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:57,444
The other girlfriends
weren't allowed to come,

636
00:44:57,445 --> 00:44:59,572
but I would always be at the gig.

637
00:45:03,325 --> 00:45:07,286
The last one that I was at
before I had Julian

638
00:45:07,287 --> 00:45:09,246
was the Bo Diddley concert.

639
00:45:09,247 --> 00:45:13,458
♪ Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley

640
00:45:13,459 --> 00:45:17,378
♪ Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley

641
00:45:17,379 --> 00:45:21,590
♪ Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley

642
00:45:21,592 --> 00:45:25,636
♪ Hey, Bo Diddley Hey, Bo Diddley

643
00:45:25,637 --> 00:45:29,806
♪ I got a girl lived on a hill
Hey, Bo Diddley... ♪

644
00:45:29,807 --> 00:45:32,726
I bonded so well with Bo Diddley

645
00:45:32,727 --> 00:45:34,227
and it was all fantastic.

646
00:45:34,228 --> 00:45:37,105
They thought that Brian and I
were getting married.

647
00:45:37,106 --> 00:45:40,149
I thought we were getting married.

648
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:43,360
So it was a bit of a shock when
Andrew Oldham came in and said,

649
00:45:43,361 --> 00:45:47,948
"You can't have girlfriends and
wives and, you know, it's..."

650
00:45:47,949 --> 00:45:50,158
Because I knew that he loved me

651
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:53,119
and it was really hard to understand.

652
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,581
And I kept saying to myself,
"Well, I have to let go

653
00:45:57,582 --> 00:45:59,793
"and he'll be back."

654
00:46:03,713 --> 00:46:05,422
And my dad, when he left, said,

655
00:46:05,423 --> 00:46:08,384
"And there's no-one to
look after him now."

656
00:46:09,718 --> 00:46:11,260
Brian tormented himself because

657
00:46:11,261 --> 00:46:12,762
he couldn't write songs

658
00:46:12,763 --> 00:46:14,472
like Mick and Keith,

659
00:46:14,473 --> 00:46:18,142
whose compositions had moved
the band on to a whole new level.

660
00:46:18,143 --> 00:46:19,434
Say hi to Brian.

661
00:46:19,435 --> 00:46:22,395
Brian is one of the writers
of most of the things, right?

662
00:46:22,396 --> 00:46:25,398
No, I'm not, actually...
Well, I'm not really a writer.

663
00:46:25,399 --> 00:46:27,442
Ah, we do write a lot of stuff together -

664
00:46:27,443 --> 00:46:29,485
it comes out under the
Nanker Phelge pseudonym -

665
00:46:29,486 --> 00:46:32,196
but Mick and Keith write more... many
Thank you, Bill.

666
00:46:32,197 --> 00:46:34,198
They're a little more industrious
than we are.

667
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,242
In writing the songs that you write,
do you sometimes think that you have

668
00:46:37,243 --> 00:46:39,202
a special inspiration for
the way that you...

669
00:46:39,203 --> 00:46:42,080
Well, you'd better ask - about
writing songs - better address those

670
00:46:42,081 --> 00:46:44,874
questions to Mick and Keith because
they'll tell me more about it.

671
00:46:44,875 --> 00:46:47,793
But the ones we've written together
are just things we've worked out

672
00:46:47,794 --> 00:46:50,212
together in the studio,
with somebody, you know, anyone

673
00:46:50,213 --> 00:46:52,923
If you had to do
it all over again, do you think

674
00:46:52,924 --> 00:46:55,509
you'd go the same route again?
As far as, you know, now that you

675
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:58,219
realise the demands that are put
on you as a tremendous success?

676
00:46:58,221 --> 00:47:00,138
I'd do it 100 times over,
if I could. I love it.

677
00:47:00,139 --> 00:47:01,222
Good. Thank you so much.

678
00:47:01,223 --> 00:47:04,142
Let me swing over here and talk
to Keith and to Mick.

679
00:47:04,143 --> 00:47:06,977
These are the two that are supposed
to be all the writing talent.

680
00:47:06,978 --> 00:47:09,646
You fellows get together and do
most of the writing, right?

681
00:47:09,648 --> 00:47:12,107
Yeah, that's right. A lot of it.
You know, some of it.

682
00:47:12,108 --> 00:47:15,235
Do you have a particular inspiration
for some of your songs that seem

683
00:47:15,236 --> 00:47:16,653
to springboard them out?

684
00:47:16,654 --> 00:47:19,030
Well, I don't know. Ask Keith.

685
00:47:19,031 --> 00:47:21,073
I don't really think so, no.

686
00:47:21,075 --> 00:47:23,952
It just happens, you know?
It just happens.

687
00:47:29,916 --> 00:47:32,334
Mick and Keith are wonderful songwriters.

688
00:47:32,335 --> 00:47:33,752
I mean, they're just great.

689
00:47:33,753 --> 00:47:35,170
Extraordinary.

690
00:47:35,171 --> 00:47:38,089
I mean, I couldn't admire them more.

691
00:47:38,090 --> 00:47:41,134
They tended to write more about sex.

692
00:47:42,302 --> 00:47:45,429
So from '64, '84...

693
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:49,766
Like, for 20 years they were
just turning them out.

694
00:47:49,767 --> 00:47:52,936
I mean, they're classic
rock and roll songs.

695
00:47:52,937 --> 00:47:57,815
I'd rate it as extraordinary.

696
00:47:57,816 --> 00:48:01,026
You see, the trouble was by 1963,

697
00:48:01,027 --> 00:48:05,280
when Mick and Keith were writing
the songs and all that,

698
00:48:05,281 --> 00:48:08,450
Andrew was trying to promote Keith

699
00:48:08,451 --> 00:48:12,161
and kind of dismiss Brian,
get Brian out of the way.

700
00:48:12,162 --> 00:48:17,374
And so what he did was
he stopped me, Charlie and Brian

701
00:48:17,375 --> 00:48:21,336
from doing any interviews with any
of the newspapers, any interviews

702
00:48:21,337 --> 00:48:24,589
at all, and gave them all
to Mick and Keith.

703
00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:29,093
And I think when we talked on
the phone ages ago, you mentioned

704
00:48:29,094 --> 00:48:32,222
that he did something with Jimi Hendrix.

705
00:48:33,348 --> 00:48:34,890
Yes.

706
00:48:34,891 --> 00:48:37,352
Yeah.

707
00:48:38,853 --> 00:48:40,396
No-one knows that.

708
00:48:46,610 --> 00:48:48,070
What do I say?

709
00:49:22,935 --> 00:49:26,270
And I got Brian trying to write
a song with that guy,

710
00:49:26,271 --> 00:49:30,274
Michael Aldred, of Ready Steady Go!

711
00:49:30,275 --> 00:49:35,278
But they're unique things that
I just happened to get, and...

712
00:49:35,279 --> 00:49:38,781
..they shouldn't be...
Was the song good?

713
00:49:38,782 --> 00:49:42,743
Yeah, they were putting a song
together. It was OK, yeah.

714
00:49:42,744 --> 00:49:45,872
But he never had the courage to record it.

715
00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:51,627
Oh, fucking hell, turn it off!

716
00:50:16,441 --> 00:50:19,526
No. It's difficult...

717
00:50:19,527 --> 00:50:21,737
Oh, let's get...

718
00:50:21,738 --> 00:50:23,531
Bleurgh!

719
00:50:25,491 --> 00:50:29,244
He never played me a song
he'd written, so it was quite hard

720
00:50:29,245 --> 00:50:33,914
to know really if he wanted to do
songs with us that he'd written.

721
00:50:33,915 --> 00:50:37,710
I think he did, but he was very shy
and all that, I think he found it

722
00:50:37,711 --> 00:50:41,171
rather hard to lay it down to us,
you know, that "This was a song and

723
00:50:41,172 --> 00:50:42,672
"it went like this."

724
00:50:42,673 --> 00:50:46,509
And we probably sort of didn't even
think - because he didn't do it,

725
00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:50,304
we didn't try and bring it out
of him, probably,

726
00:50:50,305 --> 00:50:51,807
which was...

727
00:50:52,974 --> 00:50:55,852
..I suppose a bit insensitive of us.

728
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,419
Each member of the band had a had a court.

729
00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:47,548
And the way the hierarchy worked
was the Stones would always

730
00:53:47,549 --> 00:53:50,551
have to go to the Beatles' places.

731
00:53:50,552 --> 00:53:53,386
So the Beatles would
never go to their house.

732
00:53:53,387 --> 00:53:56,473
You know, that was the order of things,

733
00:53:56,474 --> 00:53:59,893
a very strict class system at work.

734
00:57:07,188 --> 00:57:09,355
I think he liked drinking and
I think he liked drugs

735
00:57:09,356 --> 00:57:12,024
but they weren't very good for him.

736
00:57:12,025 --> 00:57:15,110
I don't think they're good for
anyone, but he didn't...

737
00:57:15,111 --> 00:57:17,905
He wasn't strong enough,
mentally or physically,

738
00:57:17,906 --> 00:57:19,114
to take any of it.

739
00:57:19,115 --> 00:57:20,782
And of course he did everything...

740
00:57:20,783 --> 00:57:24,402
Brian was one of those people
that did everything to excess.

741
00:58:21,797 --> 00:58:25,716
And remember, no matter
what anyone says...

742
00:58:25,717 --> 00:58:28,010
..rock on.

743
00:58:28,011 --> 00:58:33,973
♪ I can't get no satisfaction

744
00:58:33,974 --> 00:58:38,979
♪ I can't get no satisfaction... ♪

745
00:59:11,842 --> 00:59:15,136
The trouble with Brian was he wasn't
very well a lot of the time.

746
00:59:15,137 --> 00:59:17,222
So he was often ill.

747
00:59:20,433 --> 00:59:22,809
We'd be on tour and Brian would
get sick, and he'd be in

748
00:59:22,810 --> 00:59:26,521
hospital for five days
and we had to play without him.

749
00:59:26,522 --> 00:59:29,440
Just the four of us, you know.

750
00:59:29,441 --> 00:59:31,233
Bass, drum, guitar.

751
00:59:31,234 --> 00:59:34,862
And you're playing all them songs
that need more than one guitar,

752
00:59:34,863 --> 00:59:36,764
and you've only got one guitar.

753
00:59:38,825 --> 00:59:41,409
So I had to double-up on bass,
the bass playing,

754
00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:42,786
and help Keith out, you know,

755
00:59:42,787 --> 00:59:45,705
and Keith had to play a bit more
than he would normally play,

756
00:59:45,706 --> 00:59:48,249
playing partly rhythm, partly lead.

757
00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:50,168
It was tough, you know.

758
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:56,423
So he was very unreliable at times
in the later period of his life.

759
00:59:56,424 --> 00:59:59,135
You know, the last... maybe
three years.

760
01:00:00,553 --> 01:00:04,013
Brian used to get very paranoid
about being made fun of.

761
01:00:04,014 --> 01:00:08,100
You know, he always said, "They're
talking about me and they're..."

762
01:00:08,101 --> 01:00:10,894
You know, when we were waiting in a...

763
01:00:10,895 --> 01:00:14,065
When we were staying over in
a hotel or something.

764
01:00:22,614 --> 01:00:26,700
The classic example that I had of
that was at the hotel in New York

765
01:00:26,701 --> 01:00:28,827
when Dylan was coming to visit him.

766
01:00:28,828 --> 01:00:30,787
You know, he was very friendly with Dylan.

767
01:00:30,788 --> 01:00:33,415
So Mick and Keith - Brian's
room was next to mine,

768
01:00:33,416 --> 01:00:34,999
so Mick and Keith came into my room.

769
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,627
They said, "Oh...",
and they were very devilish.

770
01:00:37,628 --> 01:00:40,671
And Keith goes over and grabs
a water glass that I had,

771
01:00:40,672 --> 01:00:44,174
and he puts it against the wall so
he could listen in to Brian's room.

772
01:00:44,175 --> 01:00:47,844
And Mick goes over to the house
telephone, my phone in the room,

773
01:00:47,845 --> 01:00:49,804
and calls Brian's room.

774
01:00:49,805 --> 01:00:52,390
And then immediately he says,
"Hello, Mr Jones.

775
01:00:52,391 --> 01:00:54,809
"You have Mr Zimmerman
for Mr Jones."

776
01:00:54,810 --> 01:00:58,104
And he was imitating putting
Dylan on the phone.

777
01:00:58,105 --> 01:01:00,731
And then when he was on the phone,
he says, "Oh, Brian, I think

778
01:01:00,732 --> 01:01:03,150
"you're the best guy in the group,"
that kind of...

779
01:01:03,151 --> 01:01:05,652
And Brian's like, "Shut up,
you guys! I know you're..."

780
01:01:05,653 --> 01:01:08,597
And that was the kind of stuff
that was going on.

781
01:01:11,825 --> 01:01:15,494
♪ Show me the train... ♪

782
01:01:15,495 --> 01:01:17,496
Already there had been shit going on.

783
01:01:17,497 --> 01:01:20,582
You know, Brian was in very bad shape.

784
01:01:20,583 --> 01:01:22,709
He couldn't get into the States.

785
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:25,462
And they didn't know what to do,
and this and that and the other,

786
01:01:25,463 --> 01:01:28,172
you know, of just scrambling
all the way along.

787
01:01:28,174 --> 01:01:30,675
It wasn't as bad as it was
going to get later.

788
01:01:30,676 --> 01:01:34,386
Well, I read an interesting
thing Keith said about this,

789
01:01:34,387 --> 01:01:38,348
that they started making fun of
Brian so as not to get mad at him.

790
01:01:38,349 --> 01:01:40,267
Because it was a way...

791
01:01:40,268 --> 01:01:42,852
But I mean, of course,
for somebody who's paranoid,

792
01:01:42,853 --> 01:01:45,438
this is just about the worst
thing you can do.

793
01:01:45,439 --> 01:01:49,275
But I mean that was
Mick and Keith's, apparently,

794
01:01:49,276 --> 01:01:50,901
attitude to this thing, you know?

795
01:01:50,902 --> 01:01:53,362
Well, because, you know, I mean
if anybody had really let

796
01:01:53,363 --> 01:01:57,115
their feelings go, they would've Mm-hm.

797
01:01:57,116 --> 01:01:59,242
And he would have killed them too.
Mm-hm.

798
01:01:59,243 --> 01:02:01,245
I mean, it was that bad.

799
01:02:03,622 --> 01:02:06,999
I think Marianne sympathised with Brian.

800
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,045
And Marianne of course was not in
much better shape because of drugs.

801
01:02:12,046 --> 01:02:16,883
She knew him very well and had,
you know, had an affair with him.

802
01:02:16,884 --> 01:02:21,722
Marianne felt that she had become
a real drag on Mick.

803
01:02:23,056 --> 01:02:29,186
And there's a horrible conversation
where she overhears Ahmet Ertegun

804
01:02:29,187 --> 01:02:34,441
saying to Mick, "You've got
to get rid of Marianne,

805
01:02:34,442 --> 01:02:37,860
"you know, if the band is
going to function.

806
01:02:37,861 --> 01:02:41,989
"It's having a really
negative effect."

807
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:46,494
And so in that sense I think she
absolutely identified with Brian.

808
01:02:51,666 --> 01:02:55,293
Anita Pallenberg was a massive
influence on Brian.

809
01:02:55,294 --> 01:03:00,674
She was credited with transforming
both Brian and the Stones.

810
01:03:54,848 --> 01:03:59,184
She was an incredibly interesting
person, who'd done a lot,

811
01:03:59,185 --> 01:04:02,812
and was on the make,
in the way that he was.

812
01:04:02,813 --> 01:04:08,317
And she craved new experiences,
you know, in the way that he was.

813
01:04:08,318 --> 01:04:11,278
But I think he was thinking
of leaving the band.

814
01:04:11,279 --> 01:04:13,989
I think he probably could have
and probably should have left

815
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:17,284
the band for his own, you know,
health and sanity.

816
01:04:17,285 --> 01:04:20,495
But I think, by teaming up with
Anita, he knew they'd be

817
01:04:20,496 --> 01:04:22,538
a real phenomenon, which they were.

818
01:04:22,539 --> 01:04:26,667
And that really launched his
kind of last great...

819
01:04:26,668 --> 01:04:28,128
Last great ride.

820
01:04:29,170 --> 01:04:30,766
Oui, oui, je le comprends.

821
01:04:33,675 --> 01:04:38,219
There was such sort of... erotic
power to their pairing

822
01:04:38,220 --> 01:04:40,346
and such glamour.

823
01:04:40,347 --> 01:04:42,848
And also, you know,
he wants to be glamorous.

824
01:04:42,849 --> 01:04:46,393
He wanted to be seen as
a main player in the Stones,

825
01:04:46,394 --> 01:04:48,729
and she'd helped that happen.

826
01:04:48,730 --> 01:04:52,274
She and Brian were, you know,
like a little unit,

827
01:04:52,275 --> 01:04:57,445
whispering, talking to each other,
giggling, speaking in sort of

828
01:04:57,446 --> 01:05:02,533
a code that, you know, intimate
couples can have sometimes.

829
01:05:02,534 --> 01:05:06,828
And I think they were doing a lot
of acid and just hanging out.

830
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:11,541
She was staggeringly beautiful,

831
01:05:11,542 --> 01:05:17,338
had extraordinary physical
and sexual confidence.

832
01:05:17,339 --> 01:05:22,384
You know, when she walked in a room,
you know, guys' eyes popped out

833
01:05:22,385 --> 01:05:25,179
and tongues rolled out, like in a cartoon.

834
01:05:55,498 --> 01:05:58,083
The Rolling Stones, they were,
as Marianne would put it,

835
01:05:58,084 --> 01:06:00,127
were a bunch of yobs.

836
01:06:00,128 --> 01:06:01,920
They were very talented,

837
01:06:01,921 --> 01:06:05,216
but they weren't educated
or sophisticated.

838
01:06:07,718 --> 01:06:12,763
Marianne and Anita connected them
with all the European intellectuals

839
01:06:12,764 --> 01:06:14,723
and film-makers.

840
01:06:14,724 --> 01:06:18,268
We were the right women for that
time to enable whatever

841
01:06:18,269 --> 01:06:20,228
had to happen to happen.

842
01:06:20,229 --> 01:06:23,481
And probably the same is true
of Brian and Anita

843
01:06:23,482 --> 01:06:26,275
and Keith and Anita.

844
01:06:26,276 --> 01:06:29,904
They seemed to be a proto-aristocracy.

845
01:06:29,905 --> 01:06:32,239
Mick at one point said,

846
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,535
"Well, the only thing left is
me and the Queen."

847
01:06:40,372 --> 01:06:43,541
Brian and Anita would spend
time at the vast Guinness estate

848
01:06:43,542 --> 01:06:44,876
in Ireland.

849
01:06:50,131 --> 01:06:53,049
This is Mick go-karting at Leslie Castle,

850
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:56,386
a massive Irish estate that has been
in the Leslie family

851
01:06:56,387 --> 01:06:58,763
for 1,000 years.

852
01:06:58,764 --> 01:07:01,350
A whole new world opened up to them.

853
01:07:04,603 --> 01:07:08,345
I think it was the great changing
of the old order, wasn't it?

854
01:07:09,941 --> 01:07:13,026
I loved the sort of mixture,

855
01:07:13,027 --> 01:07:16,654
the juxtaposition then
of the Stones and the Beatles

856
01:07:16,655 --> 01:07:19,281
and the royals and the thing, you know?

857
01:07:19,283 --> 01:07:20,407
It suddenly was all...

858
01:07:20,409 --> 01:07:24,703
Everybody and anybody were part
of the same thing.

859
01:07:24,704 --> 01:07:25,914
It was excellent.

860
01:07:28,666 --> 01:07:31,960
It was my sister Victoria's
birthday, and that was a sort of

861
01:07:31,961 --> 01:07:37,923
wonderful melting pot with
the Kennedys and Princess Margaret

862
01:07:37,924 --> 01:07:42,554
and the Beatles and the Stones
and then all my relations.

863
01:07:43,930 --> 01:07:46,097
Brian definitely came.

864
01:07:46,098 --> 01:07:48,683
Brian was the most sort of
sociable at that time.

865
01:07:48,684 --> 01:07:51,436
He was much the most sort of gregarious.

866
01:07:51,437 --> 01:07:56,357
So it was it was the informality,
I think, of it that was part of

867
01:07:56,358 --> 01:07:58,567
the whole thing of the '60s.

868
01:07:58,568 --> 01:08:04,739
Never mind who was there, whether
it was rock stars or royalty

869
01:08:04,740 --> 01:08:09,744
or scrubbers from the East End.

870
01:08:09,745 --> 01:08:12,015
It really didn't make any difference.

871
01:08:15,625 --> 01:08:18,835
Brian's best friend at the time
was Tara Browne.

872
01:08:18,836 --> 01:08:21,796
He was the Guinness heir
and owner of Dandie Fashions

873
01:08:21,797 --> 01:08:23,424
on the King's Road.

874
01:08:26,718 --> 01:08:30,346
The so-called Swinging London
was actually a very small group

875
01:08:30,347 --> 01:08:33,975
of people, and Brian and Tara
were right at the centre.

876
01:08:37,854 --> 01:08:41,898
Tara was immortalised in
the Beatles song A Day in the Life

877
01:08:41,899 --> 01:08:44,317
when he had a tragic car accident.

878
01:08:44,318 --> 01:08:48,989
♪ He blew his mind out in a car

879
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:55,452
♪ He didn't notice that the lights
had changed

880
01:08:55,453 --> 01:08:59,290
♪ A crowd of people stood
and stared... ♪

881
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:05,628
Brian was devastated by Tara's death,

882
01:09:05,629 --> 01:09:07,922
the first of that intimate circle.

883
01:09:10,717 --> 01:09:13,802
Brian would later date
his girlfriend, Suki Poitier,

884
01:09:13,803 --> 01:09:18,432
who was with Tara in the accident
but miraculously survived.

885
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:22,810
And we all wore the Dandie Fashions look,

886
01:09:22,811 --> 01:09:25,563
which was so much the spirit of the time.

887
01:09:33,487 --> 01:09:37,573
Anita was pushing him to dress
more outrageously.

888
01:09:37,574 --> 01:09:40,826
He was the archetypal dandy,

889
01:09:40,827 --> 01:09:43,955
more than anyone, you know, in '66, '67.

890
01:09:54,631 --> 01:09:57,258
At that point you can see
the power dynamics shift

891
01:09:57,259 --> 01:10:00,816
within the band, where
Keith is coming back to Brian again.

892
01:10:08,227 --> 01:10:12,104
So for a period, yeah, he was back
with Keith, because he was cool

893
01:10:12,105 --> 01:10:16,526
and happening, and obviously
at that time they did Ruby Tuesday.

894
01:10:18,361 --> 01:10:22,614
He was doing all that stuff
without asking anyone.

895
01:10:22,615 --> 01:10:27,035
He'd pick up a flute or just
anything that was handy

896
01:10:27,036 --> 01:10:32,164
and just create something out of it
which wasn't there originally.

897
01:10:32,165 --> 01:10:36,836
And it embellished the song so much
that it became the catch.

898
01:10:39,964 --> 01:10:44,092
♪ Or in the darkest night

899
01:10:44,093 --> 01:10:46,135
♪ No-one knows... ♪

900
01:10:46,136 --> 01:10:48,888
♪ Do, doo! ♪
Can you hear him?

901
01:10:48,889 --> 01:10:51,932
♪ She comes and goes... ♪

902
01:10:51,933 --> 01:10:54,810
♪ Do, do, do... ♪

903
01:10:54,811 --> 01:10:56,978
♪ Goodbye, Ruby... ♪

904
01:10:56,979 --> 01:10:58,563
He just finds a flute,

905
01:10:58,564 --> 01:11:01,325
and he finds a little thing
he can play on it.

906
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,571
Brian's self-loathing came out
in the way he treated other people.

907
01:11:07,572 --> 01:11:12,117
He and Anita particularly were known
for spiking people's drinks.

908
01:11:12,118 --> 01:11:16,246
Anita would encourage him for that
kind of outrageous behaviour.

909
01:11:16,247 --> 01:11:18,665
They would just mock people who hadn't...

910
01:11:18,666 --> 01:11:21,375
Who weren't turned on in
the same way that they were.

911
01:11:21,376 --> 01:11:24,628
So that was a thing - "We're
the hip kids - we can make fun

912
01:11:24,629 --> 01:11:26,505
"of other people."

913
01:11:26,506 --> 01:11:29,925
For instance, Linda Lawrence came.

914
01:11:29,926 --> 01:11:33,554
I think she was short of money
for young Julian.

915
01:11:34,889 --> 01:11:38,849
I think they were up in the flat,
Brian and Anita,

916
01:11:38,850 --> 01:11:42,771
and they just laughed at her and
wouldn't let her come in.

917
01:12:29,813 --> 01:12:34,275
So whilst he could still make
things happen in the studio,

918
01:12:34,276 --> 01:12:38,653
he still was holding some power even
whilst he was this kind of liability

919
01:12:38,655 --> 01:12:40,447
at the same time.

920
01:12:40,448 --> 01:12:44,993
You know, he was pretty dominant
in terms of the sounds.

921
01:12:44,994 --> 01:12:49,497
You know, they needed to get
a bit more exotic.

922
01:12:49,498 --> 01:12:52,074
Paint It Black, he's embellished it again.

923
01:12:53,835 --> 01:12:54,960
Bass pedals.

924
01:12:54,961 --> 01:12:57,797
There's Brian.

925
01:12:59,465 --> 01:13:05,345
♪ I see a line of cars and
they're all painted black... ♪

926
01:13:09,849 --> 01:13:13,560
Your head goes into, like...

927
01:13:13,561 --> 01:13:16,396
You're suddenly in the Middle East

928
01:13:16,397 --> 01:13:17,981
or Far East...

929
01:13:17,982 --> 01:13:23,569
That made me realise that there was
a very inventive guy there.

930
01:13:23,570 --> 01:13:26,322
I mean, he was really a...

931
01:13:26,323 --> 01:13:27,907
..bit of a genius.

932
01:13:34,038 --> 01:13:38,458
The Volker Schlondorff film Mord und
Totschlag was a big deal

933
01:13:38,459 --> 01:13:40,209
for Anita and for Brian.

934
01:13:40,210 --> 01:13:45,089
It was a starring role for Anita,
with a really good director,

935
01:13:45,090 --> 01:13:49,467
and it was really pretty
like their own - Brian and Anita's -

936
01:13:49,469 --> 01:13:52,637
relationship, where there was
this constant provocation

937
01:13:52,638 --> 01:13:54,890
and escalation of provocation.

938
01:14:02,731 --> 01:14:04,691
Hau ab jetzt.

939
01:18:35,936 --> 01:18:39,063
When Keith went with Anita,
Brian decided to start going out

940
01:18:39,064 --> 01:18:42,275
with Linda Keith, who used
to be Keith's girlfriend.

941
01:18:43,693 --> 01:18:45,694
All their relationships were

942
01:18:45,695 --> 01:18:48,613
always slightly incestuous.

943
01:18:48,614 --> 01:18:51,115
Marianne, you know,

944
01:18:51,116 --> 01:18:54,870
when she gave up with Mick,
she went with Brian...

945
01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:58,956
..and then she went with Keith.

946
01:18:58,957 --> 01:19:01,958
So she went with three of them.

947
01:19:01,959 --> 01:19:06,713
Anita went with Brian, she went with
Mick, she went with Keith.

948
01:19:06,714 --> 01:19:09,340
It was all very mixed up, you know?

949
01:19:09,341 --> 01:19:13,928
Girls would end up being with
another member of the band.

950
01:19:16,347 --> 01:19:18,014
Seeing the state of Brian,

951
01:19:18,015 --> 01:19:22,060
his parents finally reached out to
help him.

952
01:19:22,061 --> 01:19:26,981
What I firmly believe was
the turning point in Brian's life

953
01:19:26,982 --> 01:19:31,403
was when he lost the only
girl he ever really loved.

954
01:19:32,779 --> 01:19:37,240
When his mother and I saw him
for the first time for some months

955
01:19:37,241 --> 01:19:42,370
after this happening, we were quite
shocked by the changes

956
01:19:42,371 --> 01:19:44,080
of his appearance, and in our opinion

957
01:19:44,081 --> 01:19:46,624
he was never the same boy again.

958
01:19:46,625 --> 01:19:51,461
He changed suddenly and alarmingly

959
01:19:51,462 --> 01:19:58,301
from a bright, enthusiastic young
man to a quiet and morose

960
01:19:58,302 --> 01:20:01,013
and inward-looking young man.

961
01:20:04,558 --> 01:20:08,769
Brian and Linda Keith's relationship
was tempestuous and drug-fuelled,

962
01:20:08,770 --> 01:20:12,815
with Brian recovering from Anita
and Linda from Keith.

963
01:20:14,233 --> 01:20:20,112
Linda ended up taking an overdose
in Brian's flat, which she survived.

964
01:20:20,113 --> 01:20:22,614
Brian wrote this to her...

965
01:20:22,616 --> 01:20:26,369
"Dearest darling Linda, I'm
presently very smashed.

966
01:20:27,453 --> 01:20:29,829
"Please be with me.

967
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:31,873
"I'm so lonely by myself.

968
01:20:31,874 --> 01:20:35,501
"I need you so badly and I love you
so much.

969
01:20:35,502 --> 01:20:37,920
"Please understand what fucked us
up before,

970
01:20:37,921 --> 01:20:41,048
"a terrible combination of events.

971
01:20:41,049 --> 01:20:43,258
"Please let's start again.

972
01:20:43,259 --> 01:20:48,221
"Please marry me.
Please, please, please.

973
01:20:48,222 --> 01:20:50,599
"All my love, Brian."

974
01:20:57,647 --> 01:20:59,774
It was a painful year, you know?

975
01:21:01,901 --> 01:21:04,652
'67 was a year of change for everybody.

976
01:21:04,654 --> 01:21:08,532
I mean, '67 was the explosion
of the drug culture.

977
01:21:19,292 --> 01:21:24,337
The whole infamous Stones drug bust
all followed in the wake of

978
01:21:24,338 --> 01:21:26,839
News Of The World stories that
prided themselves

979
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,801
in actually busting Mick Jagger and
proclaiming him a drug user.

980
01:21:30,802 --> 01:21:33,680
The problem was it wasn't Mick.
It was Brian.

981
01:21:35,139 --> 01:21:38,808
He was hanging in a nightclub called
Blazing and boasting

982
01:21:38,809 --> 01:21:41,020
about being a druggy hipster.

983
01:21:42,146 --> 01:21:45,648
He actually told the reporter he
didn't do LSD much these days

984
01:21:45,649 --> 01:21:49,276
now that everybody had taken
it up and, you know, he was doing

985
01:21:49,277 --> 01:21:51,029
it before anybody else.

986
01:21:52,238 --> 01:21:55,491
For Mick, Brian was the villain
of the piece.

987
01:21:58,035 --> 01:22:03,914
The only person who was really,
really out of it on drugs was Brian.

988
01:22:03,915 --> 01:22:05,499
This was like the last straw,

989
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:08,377
the straw that broke the camel's
back with Brian.

990
01:22:08,378 --> 01:22:11,379
And I think it brought up a lot
of bad feelings that were already

991
01:22:11,380 --> 01:22:13,757
there about Brian.

992
01:22:13,758 --> 01:22:16,801
Mick didn't know he'd end up in prison.

993
01:22:16,802 --> 01:22:18,469
It was just dreadful.

994
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:21,514
But it was very frightening, because
you saw the sort of the power

995
01:22:21,515 --> 01:22:23,682
of the state, the power of the status quo,

996
01:22:23,683 --> 01:22:27,645
the whole thing coming
down on them - for nothing.

997
01:22:29,355 --> 01:22:33,441
Mick was very, very, very desperate
and just in...

998
01:22:33,442 --> 01:22:35,651
It was a horrible thing.

999
01:22:35,652 --> 01:22:37,778
I don't think he ever thought this
sort of thing

1000
01:22:37,779 --> 01:22:40,781
would ever happen to him in his life.

1001
01:22:40,782 --> 01:22:46,286
And I must say, to my shame,
I wasn't very compassionate at all.

1002
01:22:46,287 --> 01:22:49,038
If you need to cry, you cry.

1003
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:53,501
It was a real moment of truth
and vulnerability.

1004
01:22:53,502 --> 01:22:57,130
Needless to say, he never,
ever showed it again.

1005
01:24:30,631 --> 01:24:33,842
The phone rings and it's Brian.

1006
01:24:33,843 --> 01:24:37,512
And he said, "I'm not going... I'm
not going to come tomorrow."

1007
01:24:37,513 --> 01:24:40,556
And I said... I said, "Huh? Why?"

1008
01:24:40,557 --> 01:24:42,891
And he said, "Because they are so
mean to me."

1009
01:24:42,892 --> 01:24:45,143
And I said, "Who's so mean?"

1010
01:24:45,144 --> 01:24:49,314
He said, "Mick and Keith,
they are making my life hell."

1011
01:24:49,315 --> 01:24:53,901
Naively, I said, "Well, what would
the Rolling Stones be without you?"

1012
01:24:53,902 --> 01:24:56,320
And anyway, I'm thinking, "What
the fuck do we do with four

1013
01:24:56,321 --> 01:25:00,240
"Rolling Stones if we really are
looking at five Rolling Stones?"

1014
01:25:00,241 --> 01:25:03,827
And so then he stopped,

1015
01:25:03,828 --> 01:25:07,956
he listened and he stopped crying,

1016
01:25:07,957 --> 01:25:10,041
and he said, "It's
just been a hard day."

1017
01:25:10,042 --> 01:25:11,751
And also, you don't know how much he's...

1018
01:25:11,752 --> 01:25:13,919
I think he was drinking a lot.

1019
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,548
I convinced him to come the next day.

1020
01:25:17,549 --> 01:25:20,175
There was something kind
of childlike about him,

1021
01:25:20,176 --> 01:25:23,136
because then he had dressed
kind of like a wizard.

1022
01:25:23,137 --> 01:25:28,516
Then when they got onstage at two
in the morning, he was...

1023
01:25:28,517 --> 01:25:32,353
I would say he was drunk because he
looked it,

1024
01:25:32,354 --> 01:25:38,568
and he could play the maracas and he
could play the slide...

1025
01:25:39,777 --> 01:25:43,489
..he could hardly play the guitar
in the regular way.

1026
01:25:46,325 --> 01:25:49,326
He looked dreadful, really.

1027
01:25:49,327 --> 01:25:51,245
His big bags under his eyes.

1028
01:25:51,246 --> 01:25:54,415
I mean, really, bags under his eyes
for a guy of 26.

1029
01:25:59,086 --> 01:26:00,920
He was just gone.

1030
01:26:00,921 --> 01:26:02,839
Well, he wouldn't turn up half the time.

1031
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,216
When he did turn up, he was not
in any condition

1032
01:26:05,217 --> 01:26:07,343
to do anything, had to baby him.

1033
01:26:07,344 --> 01:26:09,679
And it was very sad.

1034
01:26:11,181 --> 01:26:14,891
I saw him as another person
with incredibly low self-esteem

1035
01:26:14,892 --> 01:26:19,646
who needed help not to be destroyed
and ground underfoot.

1036
01:26:19,647 --> 01:26:23,649
And that's when I kind of realised
what was going on

1037
01:26:23,650 --> 01:26:26,236
and how it was going to affect me.

1038
01:26:28,655 --> 01:26:33,908
That kind of ruthlessness, you know,
the bit where they would pretend

1039
01:26:33,909 --> 01:26:37,286
to be recording Brian and not
have him plugged in,

1040
01:26:37,287 --> 01:26:38,821
that was really terrible.

1041
01:27:00,392 --> 01:27:05,103
Both Marianne and Brian,
they were victims of the Stones.

1042
01:27:05,104 --> 01:27:07,558
She realised she was no longer useful...

1043
01:27:08,858 --> 01:27:14,821
..and he was especially horrified
to be ostracised from his band.

1044
01:27:45,057 --> 01:27:49,435
A rock group is sort of like a,
you know, a primitive tribe.

1045
01:27:49,436 --> 01:27:54,523
People are often killed in tribes,
psychically, if they're expelled.

1046
01:27:54,524 --> 01:27:56,733
And a rock group is sort of like that.

1047
01:27:56,734 --> 01:28:01,821
I mean, their whole lifeblood comes
from that bond.

1048
01:28:01,822 --> 01:28:07,411
Once they're of no use, that
is... oddly fatal.

1049
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:12,039
Like, nobody wants to talk
to them or deal with them.

1050
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,043
They just go off into the woods and die.

1051
01:28:18,087 --> 01:28:20,630
I felt like he was very much the underdog.

1052
01:28:20,631 --> 01:28:25,718
He was lost and, you know,
I just felt for him.

1053
01:28:25,719 --> 01:28:27,512
I felt that he had been...

1054
01:28:29,264 --> 01:28:32,057
..badly treated.

1055
01:28:32,058 --> 01:28:34,143
I remember he had a dog.

1056
01:28:35,394 --> 01:28:36,895
She was a spaniel.

1057
01:28:36,896 --> 01:28:38,188
Such a sweet dog.

1058
01:28:39,273 --> 01:28:43,651
She was maybe about five years old,
and she looked about 20

1059
01:28:43,652 --> 01:28:48,905
because she'd eaten a cake with acid
and she'd gone on a trip

1060
01:28:48,906 --> 01:28:52,826
that had lasted sort of months and months.

1061
01:28:52,827 --> 01:28:56,038
You know, sad things that happen.

1062
01:28:59,333 --> 01:29:03,460
Charlie phoned me up, phone went
about three in the morning

1063
01:29:03,461 --> 01:29:06,881
and he just said, "Brian died."

1064
01:29:09,759 --> 01:29:11,843
I couldn't believe it, you know?

1065
01:29:11,844 --> 01:29:17,099
It was such a blow that, you know,
you just don't accept it for weeks.

1066
01:29:18,141 --> 01:29:19,933
You can't really believe it's true.

1067
01:29:19,935 --> 01:29:21,393
And I mean, I don't...

1068
01:29:21,394 --> 01:29:23,437
I don't think we slept after that,

1069
01:29:23,438 --> 01:29:25,398
we just laid and talked and...

1070
01:29:26,607 --> 01:29:28,651
Just couldn't understand it.

1071
01:29:32,196 --> 01:29:35,906
I think he'd been doing
what he always used to do,

1072
01:29:35,907 --> 01:29:40,243
and that was taken downers and doing
heavy alcohol,

1073
01:29:40,245 --> 01:29:42,871
and fell asleep in the pool.

1074
01:29:42,872 --> 01:29:45,082
It was basically that simple.

1075
01:29:48,919 --> 01:29:50,711
He got much nicer to...

1076
01:29:50,712 --> 01:29:54,506
Just before he died, you know,
the last few years of his life,

1077
01:29:54,507 --> 01:29:58,927
I felt even sorrier for him
for what we did to him then.

1078
01:29:58,928 --> 01:30:02,640
We took his one thing away,
which was being in a band.

1079
01:30:07,019 --> 01:30:09,979
It really knocked us back.

1080
01:30:09,980 --> 01:30:15,068
I mean, been with that cat for seven
or eight years nonstop, you know?

1081
01:30:16,194 --> 01:30:19,322
To have him suddenly removed completely.

1082
01:30:22,908 --> 01:30:25,868
Although it was a shock
when it actually happened,

1083
01:30:25,869 --> 01:30:28,662
nobody was really that surprised too.

1084
01:30:28,663 --> 01:30:31,540
There are people... I'm sure
that everybody's got those things

1085
01:30:31,541 --> 01:30:33,917
about certain people everybody
knows people that...

1086
01:30:33,918 --> 01:30:36,628
..you just have that feeling that
they're not going to be...

1087
01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:39,757
they're not going to be 70 years old
ever, you know?

1088
01:30:40,466 --> 01:30:42,217
Not everybody makes it.

1089
01:31:03,111 --> 01:31:05,112
I was just 20,

1090
01:31:05,113 --> 01:31:09,616
and we were all incredibly
shocked by Brian's death.

1091
01:31:09,617 --> 01:31:13,913
It was the first drug-alcohol
casualty of our generation.

1092
01:31:15,748 --> 01:31:19,041
We felt his death marked the end
of the '60s, and the concert

1093
01:31:19,042 --> 01:31:23,086
in the park which we all went to
was very much the end of the '60s

1094
01:31:23,087 --> 01:31:28,383
and a sort of mass funeral
for everything that had gone before.

1095
01:31:28,384 --> 01:31:31,302
You just knew there was going
to be a massive change,

1096
01:31:31,303 --> 01:31:34,848
and Brian's death somehow was
an emblem for that.

1097
01:31:42,563 --> 01:31:47,318
I flew to London immediately
from Munich when I heard about it.

1098
01:31:48,611 --> 01:31:52,990
I was there, and stayed with Anita
and Keith in their house.

1099
01:31:56,618 --> 01:31:59,621
We were talking and sitting and hugging.

1100
01:32:02,957 --> 01:32:07,252
There was a mourning and sadness
around all of them.

1101
01:32:10,213 --> 01:32:15,509
It was a very emotional thing,
the way they organised

1102
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:20,680
this farewell and goodbye, as if to say,

1103
01:32:20,681 --> 01:32:24,810
"Now you're still - or again -
one of us."

1104
01:32:28,730 --> 01:32:30,565
And Mick was very upset.

1105
01:32:35,236 --> 01:32:39,113
I just want to say something
that was written by Shelley,

1106
01:32:39,115 --> 01:32:42,743
and I think it goes with
what happened to Brian.

1107
01:32:44,786 --> 01:32:50,123
Peace, peace! He is not dead,
he does not sleep.

1108
01:32:50,124 --> 01:32:53,127
He has awakened from the dreams of life.

1109
01:32:55,087 --> 01:32:58,423
Brian was so sensitive, really,

1110
01:32:58,424 --> 01:33:02,927
because Brian was so sensitive
to everything, you know what I mean?

1111
01:33:02,928 --> 01:33:06,889
I suppose there was a kind of
feeling that I knew that Brian
would...

1112
01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:09,957
If anyone was going to die,
Brian was going to die.

1113
01:33:12,770 --> 01:33:17,608
I mean, I always knew that Brian
wouldn't really live that long.

1114
01:33:20,193 --> 01:33:22,988
But he just... He lived his life
very fast.

1115
01:33:30,578 --> 01:33:33,539
He was... He was kind
of like a butterfly.

1116
01:33:45,258 --> 01:33:50,219
40 years after Brian died, a box
of old letters addressed to Brian

1117
01:33:50,220 --> 01:33:54,557
were discovered in the attic
of Linda Lawrence's family house.

1118
01:33:54,558 --> 01:33:57,727
In it was this letter from Brian's father.

1119
01:33:59,646 --> 01:34:04,649
"My dear Brian, we have had unhappy times

1120
01:34:04,650 --> 01:34:10,697
"and I have been a very poor and
intolerant father in so many ways.

1121
01:34:12,199 --> 01:34:15,659
"You grew up in such a different way
from that

1122
01:34:15,660 --> 01:34:17,744
"in which I expected you to.

1123
01:34:17,745 --> 01:34:21,122
"I was quite out of my depth.

1124
01:34:21,123 --> 01:34:25,418
"In my most drastic of all actions,

1125
01:34:25,419 --> 01:34:29,922
"which I shall never forget
or cease to worry over,

1126
01:34:29,923 --> 01:34:33,800
"I felt it was the only way
to save my home

1127
01:34:33,802 --> 01:34:36,846
"and bring you to terms with yourself.

1128
01:34:38,055 --> 01:34:42,558
"I don't suppose you will ever
forgive me, but all I ask

1129
01:34:42,559 --> 01:34:47,272
"is just a little of that affection
I think you once had for me.

1130
01:34:50,275 --> 01:34:53,235
"This is a very private and personal note.

1131
01:34:53,236 --> 01:34:54,987
"Don't trouble to reply.

1132
01:34:59,450 --> 01:35:01,660
"Love, Dad."

1133
01:35:19,676 --> 01:35:22,344
♪ I'll be a rollin' stone

1134
01:35:22,345 --> 01:35:24,639
♪ You gonna be a rollin' stone

1135
01:35:26,432 --> 01:35:28,273
♪ You gonna be a rollin' stone

1136
01:35:29,810 --> 01:35:31,771
♪ Oh, darn

1137
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:35,399
♪ Sure 'nough, he gon'

1138
01:35:36,775 --> 01:35:38,485
♪ Oh, yeah

1139
01:35:48,953 --> 01:35:51,746
♪ Well, I feel

1140
01:35:51,747 --> 01:35:55,124
♪ Yes, I feel

1141
01:35:55,125 --> 01:36:01,005
♪ Feel that I could lay down, oh,
time ain't long

1142
01:36:02,423 --> 01:36:06,342
♪ I'ma catch the first thing smokin' back

1143
01:36:06,343 --> 01:36:08,470
♪ Back down the road I'm goin'

1144
01:36:10,013 --> 01:36:11,854
♪ Back down the road I'm goin'

1145
01:36:13,183 --> 01:36:15,023
♪ Back down the road I'm goin'

1146
01:36:16,686 --> 01:36:19,647
♪ Oh, God, oh... ♪