1 00:00:02,333 --> 00:00:04,750 NARRATOR: Tonight, on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch. 2 00:00:04,833 --> 00:00:09,292 This area here was the number four UFO hotspot in the nation. 3 00:00:09,375 --> 00:00:11,042 I think you might be climbing the chart. 4 00:00:11,042 --> 00:00:13,042 What is that? 5 00:00:13,125 --> 00:00:15,208 So, how can a signal be all around us like that? 6 00:00:15,292 --> 00:00:17,833 I mean, we'd have to be sitting on top of the origin point. 7 00:00:17,917 --> 00:00:19,167 But why is it here? 8 00:00:19,208 --> 00:00:21,333 This is the heart of whatever's going on. 9 00:00:21,375 --> 00:00:22,167 Oh, my god. 10 00:00:22,250 --> 00:00:23,250 There's the light. 11 00:00:23,375 --> 00:00:24,708 It's right along the ridge now. 12 00:00:24,792 --> 00:00:26,583 It's about to go behind it. 13 00:00:26,708 --> 00:00:30,875 Well, it's gone. 14 00:00:30,958 --> 00:00:32,667 NARRATOR: For years, scientists have 15 00:00:32,708 --> 00:00:36,833 been working to reveal the secrets of Skinwalker Ranch. 16 00:00:36,917 --> 00:00:39,042 But is it possible that the clues 17 00:00:39,167 --> 00:00:41,667 to unlock the mystery are located 18 00:00:41,708 --> 00:00:45,500 beyond the borders of this hub of high strangeness? 19 00:00:45,583 --> 00:00:47,167 Wow. 20 00:00:47,250 --> 00:00:50,250 NARRATOR: Now, an ex-CIA agent and a veteran journalist 21 00:00:50,375 --> 00:00:52,458 have been recruited by the Skinwalker team 22 00:00:52,542 --> 00:00:55,125 to go on a high stakes mission across America. 23 00:00:55,208 --> 00:00:57,000 Look at all this activity that's happening. 24 00:00:57,083 --> 00:00:59,042 - That's unbelievable. - That is right over our heads. 25 00:00:59,042 --> 00:01:00,333 That's it. That's it right there. 26 00:01:00,375 --> 00:01:02,042 NARRATOR: The goal-- uncover evidence that 27 00:01:02,125 --> 00:01:04,042 may finally expose the truth. 28 00:01:04,125 --> 00:01:05,208 How is this happening? 29 00:01:05,333 --> 00:01:06,458 Now it's going to get interesting. 30 00:01:06,542 --> 00:01:07,750 [explosion] - Look, it's moving. 31 00:01:07,875 --> 00:01:08,625 Look at that. 32 00:01:11,750 --> 00:01:12,917 This is just the beginning. 33 00:01:13,042 --> 00:01:15,667 [theme music] 34 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:19,167 Guys, it's great to have you back at the table. 35 00:01:19,250 --> 00:01:20,750 Tell us about your next destination. 36 00:01:20,833 --> 00:01:22,292 It's good to be back. 37 00:01:22,375 --> 00:01:24,083 And I think we've got one that is surprising to us 38 00:01:24,167 --> 00:01:25,375 in a lot of ways. 39 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:26,875 And first of all, really, in just how much 40 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,625 it seems to be under the radar. 41 00:01:28,708 --> 00:01:31,958 We want to go to a place called Anza-Borrego, which is about 42 00:01:32,042 --> 00:01:33,750 50 miles outside of San Diego. 43 00:01:33,833 --> 00:01:35,000 Never heard of it. 44 00:01:35,042 --> 00:01:36,333 We didn't really hear of it much either. 45 00:01:36,375 --> 00:01:38,042 We came across it in our research 46 00:01:38,167 --> 00:01:39,833 and found out that it has a long history 47 00:01:39,958 --> 00:01:43,250 of high strangeness and significant military presence. 48 00:01:43,333 --> 00:01:45,417 As we started digging into this place, what we found 49 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:48,833 is it has a strong parallel with Skinwalker Ranch. 50 00:01:48,875 --> 00:01:51,250 It has a history of cryptids, UFOs. 51 00:01:51,333 --> 00:01:53,333 Not just government activity, but kind 52 00:01:53,375 --> 00:01:56,500 of discrete or covert government activity-- black helicopters, 53 00:01:56,583 --> 00:01:59,250 nuclear testing, advanced weapons testing, et cetera. 54 00:01:59,333 --> 00:02:02,167 Yeah, I can't help but notice that this spot 55 00:02:02,250 --> 00:02:05,083 is right in between everything. 56 00:02:05,167 --> 00:02:07,250 I mean, you've got military bases, 57 00:02:07,333 --> 00:02:09,250 and then you've got west of San Diego, 58 00:02:09,250 --> 00:02:11,875 where the Nimitz event occurred, and where 59 00:02:11,958 --> 00:02:14,833 other things have been seen even in the last couple of years. 60 00:02:14,875 --> 00:02:16,417 It's just it's amazing. 61 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:19,208 It's kind of like a central nexus I've never heard of. 62 00:02:19,208 --> 00:02:22,042 Anza-Borrego is, actually, it's a state park 63 00:02:22,125 --> 00:02:23,917 in this region of California. 64 00:02:24,042 --> 00:02:26,833 It's the biggest state park in the state. 65 00:02:26,917 --> 00:02:28,458 Borrego springs is in the desert. 66 00:02:28,542 --> 00:02:30,208 Anza-borrego is more up in the mountains. 67 00:02:30,292 --> 00:02:32,708 So these may be two different sets of phenomena. 68 00:02:32,833 --> 00:02:33,833 Got my interest. 69 00:02:33,875 --> 00:02:34,833 Never heard of it. 70 00:02:34,917 --> 00:02:36,500 I'm really interested, yeah. 71 00:02:36,625 --> 00:02:39,292 There's a phenomenon that they call Goldie that seems to be 72 00:02:39,375 --> 00:02:41,208 reported more in the Anza area. 73 00:02:41,292 --> 00:02:45,333 It is some kind of aerial unidentified object 74 00:02:45,417 --> 00:02:47,875 or phenomenon that happens during the daytime, 75 00:02:47,958 --> 00:02:50,292 as well as during the nighttime. - What does it look like? 76 00:02:50,375 --> 00:02:52,417 Well, there's a lot of different descriptions of it. 77 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:54,333 There's some people have described it 78 00:02:54,417 --> 00:02:57,167 as a stationary light that appears. 79 00:02:57,250 --> 00:02:58,750 Others have described it as something 80 00:02:58,833 --> 00:03:00,167 that moves up and down. 81 00:03:00,250 --> 00:03:01,917 One way or another, it is some kind 82 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,167 of optical aerial phenomenon. 83 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:06,208 That sounds really intriguing to me. 84 00:03:06,292 --> 00:03:09,083 Because a lot of these stories, a lot of times, 85 00:03:09,167 --> 00:03:12,708 they may be really observations of something that happened. 86 00:03:12,708 --> 00:03:14,875 Whether mundane or extraterrestrial, 87 00:03:14,958 --> 00:03:17,542 you know, you don't know until you go and look into it. 88 00:03:17,625 --> 00:03:19,500 But it might lead you in a direction 89 00:03:19,583 --> 00:03:21,167 that there might be some good data. 90 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:23,000 You've got an opportunity to start putting 91 00:03:23,042 --> 00:03:24,083 some pins on the map then. 92 00:03:24,167 --> 00:03:24,833 Exactly. 93 00:03:24,958 --> 00:03:26,500 Exactly. 94 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:27,875 We know that we want to take some instrumentation, 95 00:03:27,958 --> 00:03:30,292 see if we can dig deeper into what stories exist 96 00:03:30,375 --> 00:03:32,042 and what we can measure about those stories 97 00:03:32,125 --> 00:03:33,292 to bring back something more concrete. 98 00:03:33,375 --> 00:03:34,625 We're going to be especially interested 99 00:03:34,708 --> 00:03:35,917 if you get a sighting. 100 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,125 This is a vast area. 101 00:03:37,208 --> 00:03:38,333 And I think Andy and I have sketched 102 00:03:38,417 --> 00:03:40,000 out sort of our plan of attack. 103 00:03:40,083 --> 00:03:42,000 We're going to start in Borrego springs, 104 00:03:42,083 --> 00:03:44,833 then we're going to move up into the mountains toward Anza, where 105 00:03:44,875 --> 00:03:47,000 we've gotten all these reports of this Goldie phenomenon 106 00:03:47,042 --> 00:03:50,583 and try and put some data behind that, try and run that down. 107 00:03:50,667 --> 00:03:52,792 So it's sort of two phases, but we've got a lot of ground 108 00:03:52,875 --> 00:03:54,500 to cover. - We've got our marching orders. 109 00:03:54,625 --> 00:03:56,250 It feels like we do. Ready to go. 110 00:03:56,375 --> 00:03:57,958 - Good luck, fellas. - Good luck with this one. 111 00:03:58,042 --> 00:03:58,792 Thanks, guys. 112 00:03:58,875 --> 00:04:00,167 Keep you posted. 113 00:04:00,208 --> 00:04:03,667 [ominous music] 114 00:04:13,208 --> 00:04:14,458 This is a location I'm actually 115 00:04:14,542 --> 00:04:16,083 really excited about because I don't 116 00:04:16,167 --> 00:04:18,042 know that anybody really has an idea 117 00:04:18,125 --> 00:04:19,500 of what's going on out here. 118 00:04:19,583 --> 00:04:22,167 Yeah, I mean, look at this huge sweeps of desert, 119 00:04:22,250 --> 00:04:24,125 mountain ranges all around. 120 00:04:24,208 --> 00:04:26,333 And what we've also got is the long history 121 00:04:26,417 --> 00:04:28,375 of military presence out here. 122 00:04:28,458 --> 00:04:30,375 We're stepping into this investigation with friends 123 00:04:30,458 --> 00:04:31,667 already on the ground. 124 00:04:31,750 --> 00:04:34,583 We've got Derek Hayes and Dave Flora, 125 00:04:34,667 --> 00:04:37,167 who created the documentary Shadows in the Desert, 126 00:04:37,250 --> 00:04:38,875 about the Anza-Borrego area. 127 00:04:38,958 --> 00:04:41,500 And they themselves have had sightings with their own eyes 128 00:04:41,542 --> 00:04:42,667 during that investigation. 129 00:04:42,708 --> 00:04:44,458 So not only am I hoping that we'll 130 00:04:44,542 --> 00:04:46,042 be able to get their stories, their firsthand accounts, 131 00:04:46,125 --> 00:04:48,500 but I'm also hoping we'll be able to tap into their network 132 00:04:48,583 --> 00:04:50,667 and see where the data and the network take us. 133 00:04:50,708 --> 00:04:52,833 And maybe, most important of all, 134 00:04:52,958 --> 00:04:55,250 is just to help us figure out where to begin, 135 00:04:55,333 --> 00:04:57,250 because this area is so vast. 136 00:05:01,042 --> 00:05:02,500 NARRATOR: Andy and Paul's first stop 137 00:05:02,625 --> 00:05:05,833 as they're entering Anza-Borrego is the Montezuma Valley 138 00:05:05,917 --> 00:05:08,333 Overlook, which will give them a vantage 139 00:05:08,417 --> 00:05:11,458 point over Borrego Springs. 140 00:05:11,542 --> 00:05:13,208 Welcome to the Borrego area. 141 00:05:13,375 --> 00:05:14,792 This is an amazing view. 142 00:05:14,875 --> 00:05:16,875 Can you give us a sense of where we are right now? 143 00:05:16,875 --> 00:05:18,167 Sure, yeah. 144 00:05:18,208 --> 00:05:20,667 We're looking at Borrego Springs right now. 145 00:05:20,750 --> 00:05:22,833 It's been there for a little over a hundred years. 146 00:05:22,875 --> 00:05:27,417 In the distance over that ridge there is Clark Dry Lake Bed. 147 00:05:27,542 --> 00:05:30,083 It's a lake bed that had a lot of military activity, 148 00:05:30,167 --> 00:05:31,500 NASA activity there. 149 00:05:31,625 --> 00:05:33,000 And then, of course, if you go over the mountains 150 00:05:33,083 --> 00:05:35,792 here behind us, Anza is up there. 151 00:05:35,875 --> 00:05:37,917 A lot of strange stuff that goes on over there. 152 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,333 And there's activity throughout this whole area. 153 00:05:40,333 --> 00:05:41,708 The whole area, you know. 154 00:05:41,792 --> 00:05:44,167 This is basically the heart of it, I would say, 155 00:05:44,292 --> 00:05:45,542 what you're seeing down there. 156 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:47,708 And then it extends out from there 157 00:05:47,792 --> 00:05:49,583 to encompass just a ton of phenomena 158 00:05:49,667 --> 00:05:51,875 that goes on around this area. 159 00:05:51,958 --> 00:05:53,708 There's Bigfoot stuff, ghost stuff, 160 00:05:53,792 --> 00:05:55,667 there's all these lights that we see. 161 00:05:55,792 --> 00:05:58,000 And the most prominent thing these days is the UFOs. 162 00:05:58,083 --> 00:06:01,125 There's a lot of UFOs seen in this area and military presence 163 00:06:01,208 --> 00:06:02,417 of some sort. - Yeah. 164 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:04,083 So a lot of these sightings seem 165 00:06:04,167 --> 00:06:05,500 to correlate with the military. 166 00:06:05,542 --> 00:06:07,125 You know, people will see something strange, 167 00:06:07,250 --> 00:06:08,500 and suddenly a couple of helicopters 168 00:06:08,583 --> 00:06:10,417 come flying by or a couple jets. 169 00:06:10,542 --> 00:06:12,208 There's some sort of connection here that we 170 00:06:12,333 --> 00:06:13,375 haven't yet figured out. 171 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:15,083 And we had that happen to us, too. 172 00:06:15,167 --> 00:06:16,750 Everywhere we went seemed like there 173 00:06:16,833 --> 00:06:19,917 was some kind of helicopter or something around in the area. 174 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,125 Several times, we were out in the middle of nowhere, 175 00:06:22,208 --> 00:06:25,250 and suddenly these helicopters would be circling overhead. 176 00:06:25,333 --> 00:06:26,125 Head down this-- 177 00:06:26,125 --> 00:06:26,875 Hang on. 178 00:06:29,167 --> 00:06:30,083 You hear them? 179 00:06:30,167 --> 00:06:31,167 Back again. 180 00:06:31,250 --> 00:06:33,042 I think it's over this one. 181 00:06:33,125 --> 00:06:33,917 Yeah, right there. 182 00:06:34,042 --> 00:06:35,583 Right there. 183 00:06:35,667 --> 00:06:37,000 Yeah, I mean, look, that's like the eighth, ninth time. 184 00:06:37,042 --> 00:06:40,000 Every time we go somewhere, these things show up. 185 00:06:40,042 --> 00:06:43,375 [ominous music] 186 00:06:45,250 --> 00:06:46,667 There's not a lot publicly known 187 00:06:46,750 --> 00:06:48,375 about the strange things that happened 188 00:06:48,458 --> 00:06:50,750 here in the Anza-Borrego area. 189 00:06:50,833 --> 00:06:52,875 You know, it's a funny thing about Clark's dry lake 190 00:06:53,042 --> 00:06:54,833 that is nobody likes to talk about it around here. 191 00:06:54,875 --> 00:06:56,292 We asked a lot of questions and everybody's 192 00:06:56,375 --> 00:06:58,000 like, it's just kind of an area over there. 193 00:06:58,042 --> 00:06:59,000 We don't talk about it. 194 00:06:59,083 --> 00:07:00,667 We don't go there. 195 00:07:00,750 --> 00:07:03,167 They had this satellite array that the University of Maryland 196 00:07:03,208 --> 00:07:04,750 set up. 197 00:07:04,833 --> 00:07:09,375 And they used this antenna array to conduct research 198 00:07:09,458 --> 00:07:11,833 on extraterrestrial physics. 199 00:07:11,917 --> 00:07:14,667 NARRATOR: In 1959, the University of Maryland 200 00:07:14,708 --> 00:07:16,958 partnered with NASA to create the Clark 201 00:07:17,042 --> 00:07:18,708 Lake Radio Observatory. 202 00:07:18,792 --> 00:07:21,125 This included a large radio telescope 203 00:07:21,208 --> 00:07:26,542 array consisting of 720 antennas lined across the dry lake bed. 204 00:07:26,625 --> 00:07:30,500 In 1979, NASA and the SETI Institute, 205 00:07:30,542 --> 00:07:33,125 or Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, 206 00:07:33,208 --> 00:07:38,000 use the array to search for UFOs and extraterrestrial life. 207 00:07:38,042 --> 00:07:40,417 The facility was closed and dismantled 208 00:07:40,417 --> 00:07:43,708 in 1986, leaving no trace. 209 00:07:43,792 --> 00:07:46,000 And to add strangeness to it, a lot of the UFO 210 00:07:46,042 --> 00:07:48,542 reports that we get, they seem to either originate 211 00:07:48,625 --> 00:07:50,958 or be landing in that area. 212 00:07:51,042 --> 00:07:53,625 I mean, it sounds like Clark Dry Lake is our place to start. 213 00:07:57,708 --> 00:07:59,208 NARRATOR: The team heads 15 miles 214 00:07:59,375 --> 00:08:03,792 northeast to Clark Dry Lake Bed to begin their investigation. 215 00:08:07,042 --> 00:08:09,292 Wow. 216 00:08:09,375 --> 00:08:11,042 Look at this. 217 00:08:11,125 --> 00:08:13,250 I thought I'd been to some wide open spaces, 218 00:08:13,333 --> 00:08:14,875 but this is a whole new level, wow. 219 00:08:14,958 --> 00:08:17,458 This is about as wide open as you can get. 220 00:08:17,458 --> 00:08:18,292 Wow. 221 00:08:18,375 --> 00:08:20,125 Clark Dry Lake Bed. 222 00:08:20,208 --> 00:08:23,333 Now, just imagine this 60 years ago with an antenna array 223 00:08:23,417 --> 00:08:24,667 just covering this whole basin. 224 00:08:24,792 --> 00:08:26,417 I can see why they picked it. 225 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:29,292 I mean, you've got this natural bowl effect here, the shielding 226 00:08:29,375 --> 00:08:30,667 from the mountains. 227 00:08:30,792 --> 00:08:33,167 We have such a wide area here to explore. 228 00:08:33,250 --> 00:08:34,542 I would love to get some baseline 229 00:08:34,625 --> 00:08:36,000 readings on this location. 230 00:08:36,083 --> 00:08:39,000 Yep, sounds good. 231 00:08:39,083 --> 00:08:40,750 NARRATOR: To measure the baseline, 232 00:08:40,833 --> 00:08:43,292 the team will use their spectrum analyzer 233 00:08:43,375 --> 00:08:46,167 to check for any anomalous radio signals. 234 00:08:46,208 --> 00:08:49,292 They're specifically looking in the privileged frequency zone 235 00:08:49,375 --> 00:08:53,375 reserved for Earth-to-space and space-to-Earth communication 236 00:08:53,458 --> 00:08:57,958 between 1.4 and 1.8 gigahertz. 237 00:08:58,042 --> 00:09:00,833 I don't know if we've ever seen it that flat. 238 00:09:00,917 --> 00:09:03,167 This is showing us that there's almost no radio 239 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:04,708 energy in the area at all. 240 00:09:04,833 --> 00:09:07,125 I mean, this is one of the lowest background readings we've 241 00:09:07,208 --> 00:09:09,500 ever gotten, which confirms why they would pick 242 00:09:09,542 --> 00:09:11,875 this as a research station. 243 00:09:11,958 --> 00:09:15,333 These mountains are blocking signals from any communities, 244 00:09:15,375 --> 00:09:17,083 any cities in the area. 245 00:09:17,083 --> 00:09:19,125 This is one of those natural places where the Earth just 246 00:09:19,208 --> 00:09:21,500 creates a quiet spot. 247 00:09:21,583 --> 00:09:23,542 This is also a location where a number of sightings 248 00:09:23,667 --> 00:09:25,125 have been reported, is that right? 249 00:09:25,208 --> 00:09:27,667 At least going in and out of here, they've said, yeah. 250 00:09:27,708 --> 00:09:29,500 - Going in and out of here? - That's what we've heard 251 00:09:29,542 --> 00:09:31,000 That's what it seems like. 252 00:09:31,125 --> 00:09:32,583 Yeah, we've heard a lot of reports of people seeing things 253 00:09:32,667 --> 00:09:34,333 flying over this area, flying into this area, 254 00:09:34,417 --> 00:09:35,958 out of this area. 255 00:09:36,042 --> 00:09:37,792 So there seems like there's some sort of correlation here. 256 00:09:37,875 --> 00:09:39,333 Got it. 257 00:09:39,417 --> 00:09:41,000 You all had a sighting of your own somewhere in this area, 258 00:09:41,083 --> 00:09:42,667 right? 259 00:09:42,750 --> 00:09:44,042 Yeah, whatever it was we saw was right over this saddle 260 00:09:44,167 --> 00:09:45,542 over here. 261 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:47,000 Just in the distance, just off the lake bed. 262 00:09:47,042 --> 00:09:49,333 And, you know, whatever it was, it was huge. 263 00:09:49,375 --> 00:09:51,833 It covered, you know, a good bit of that horizon over there. 264 00:09:51,917 --> 00:09:54,583 An array of lights in a line. 265 00:09:54,708 --> 00:09:57,042 Just the orange balls floating there in the sky. 266 00:09:57,125 --> 00:09:59,292 By the time we got down low enough to see them again, 267 00:09:59,375 --> 00:10:00,583 they were gone. 268 00:10:00,667 --> 00:10:01,667 That sounds like an interesting area 269 00:10:01,708 --> 00:10:03,167 to keep an eye on. 270 00:10:03,250 --> 00:10:05,833 So we're going to start getting our equipment organized. 271 00:10:05,917 --> 00:10:07,417 We've actually got another expert coming in, 272 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:09,833 a guy named Dave Mason, who's worked on Skinwalker Ranch. 273 00:10:09,833 --> 00:10:11,458 Yeah, if something happens in the sky tonight, 274 00:10:11,542 --> 00:10:14,042 we're going to make sure we do everything we can to find it. 275 00:10:14,167 --> 00:10:15,083 All right, I'm excited. 276 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,583 [ominous music] 277 00:10:26,542 --> 00:10:28,333 We've got quite the team out here tonight. 278 00:10:28,417 --> 00:10:29,833 Dave and Derek, meet Dave Mason. 279 00:10:29,917 --> 00:10:32,542 He's a guy who's come in from the team at Skinwalker. 280 00:10:32,625 --> 00:10:34,750 And Dave, David and Derek are documentarians. 281 00:10:34,875 --> 00:10:36,500 They're really familiar with this area. 282 00:10:36,542 --> 00:10:38,500 They actually pointed us to this location. 283 00:10:38,583 --> 00:10:40,208 NARRATOR: The team is set up at Clark 284 00:10:40,292 --> 00:10:45,083 Dry Lake Bed, a retired NASA and SETI UFO research site. 285 00:10:45,167 --> 00:10:48,833 They're joined by Skinwalker veteran Dave Mason, a technology 286 00:10:48,917 --> 00:10:51,500 expert and inventor of devices that detect 287 00:10:51,542 --> 00:10:54,250 and interact with anomalies. 288 00:10:54,375 --> 00:10:55,917 OK, so I've got high resolution 289 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,833 flicker and then differential. 290 00:10:57,917 --> 00:11:00,375 It really just gives you a lot of different ways 291 00:11:00,458 --> 00:11:02,083 of looking at temperature changes 292 00:11:02,167 --> 00:11:04,958 rather than just using the conventional FLIR 293 00:11:05,042 --> 00:11:07,000 technology, which is very sensitive to that. 294 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,292 But this steps it up another notch. 295 00:11:09,375 --> 00:11:12,917 NARRATOR: The differential FLIR is a modified thermal camera 296 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,333 that enhances minute changes in thermal energy, which can help 297 00:11:16,417 --> 00:11:19,875 to identify phenomena not visible to the naked eye or 298 00:11:19,958 --> 00:11:21,792 conventional thermal cameras. 299 00:11:21,875 --> 00:11:24,042 The colors red, yellow, and white 300 00:11:24,167 --> 00:11:27,000 represent hotter temperature changes on the camera. 301 00:11:27,083 --> 00:11:31,583 Purple and dark blue show colder temperature changes. 302 00:11:31,708 --> 00:11:34,667 In 2022, at Skinwalker Ranch, Dave Mason 303 00:11:34,750 --> 00:11:36,917 used the differential FLIR to detect 304 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,833 strange hot patches between the triangle and the south field. 305 00:11:40,917 --> 00:11:42,792 There's something right there. 306 00:11:42,875 --> 00:11:45,917 What could be down there? 307 00:11:46,042 --> 00:11:48,542 It's going to be really great to have your enhanced flare 308 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:50,167 technology here. 309 00:11:50,292 --> 00:11:52,500 Well, being able to combine these, the high resolution 310 00:11:52,583 --> 00:11:53,917 flare with the differential flare, 311 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,833 we'll be able to extract more information. 312 00:11:55,958 --> 00:11:56,500 Got it. 313 00:11:56,583 --> 00:11:58,000 OK, great. 314 00:11:58,042 --> 00:11:59,375 NARRATOR: In addition to Dave's equipment, 315 00:11:59,458 --> 00:12:02,583 Andy and Paul will be monitoring the radio spectrum 316 00:12:02,667 --> 00:12:04,792 using their spectrum analyzers. 317 00:12:04,875 --> 00:12:07,167 All right, Paul, I've got two spectrum analyzers running. 318 00:12:07,208 --> 00:12:10,000 NARRATOR: And deploying their AI-powered UFODAP 319 00:12:10,083 --> 00:12:13,250 system to surveil for UAPs. 320 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:14,708 UFODAPs are live. 321 00:12:14,792 --> 00:12:16,708 NARRATOR: With all this technology in hand, 322 00:12:16,792 --> 00:12:18,667 the team hopes to capture evidence 323 00:12:18,708 --> 00:12:21,542 of the numerous unidentified aircraft reported 324 00:12:21,625 --> 00:12:23,958 in the area, and possibly more data 325 00:12:24,042 --> 00:12:28,708 to explain Derek and Dave's craft sighting in 2021. 326 00:12:28,833 --> 00:12:30,292 Stand by, one second. 327 00:12:30,375 --> 00:12:32,542 Paul, I've been having a hell of a time trying to get 328 00:12:32,625 --> 00:12:34,292 our equipment to stay alive. 329 00:12:34,375 --> 00:12:36,375 Everything is just-- is just draining away. 330 00:12:36,375 --> 00:12:37,875 Yep. 331 00:12:37,958 --> 00:12:39,833 Even our solid-state batteries that power this stuff, 332 00:12:39,875 --> 00:12:41,500 even those are failing. 333 00:12:41,625 --> 00:12:44,500 And we are actually relying on recharging them using our cars. 334 00:12:44,542 --> 00:12:46,167 Yeah. 335 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:47,625 So we're just going to run stuff off the vehicles tonight. 336 00:12:47,708 --> 00:12:49,250 It's the only thing we have. 337 00:12:49,333 --> 00:12:51,000 If we want persistent power, if we want consistent power, 338 00:12:51,042 --> 00:12:52,292 we're going to have to run it off of an external source 339 00:12:52,375 --> 00:12:53,208 like a car. 340 00:12:53,333 --> 00:12:54,333 Well, I think let's-- 341 00:12:54,375 --> 00:12:55,750 let's flip the switches and get to work. 342 00:12:55,833 --> 00:12:56,667 Let's do it. 343 00:12:56,750 --> 00:12:57,417 All right. 344 00:13:00,083 --> 00:13:01,500 All right. 345 00:13:01,542 --> 00:13:02,917 We've got power going for now. We're back in business. 346 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,125 That's good. - I'm ready when you are. 347 00:13:04,208 --> 00:13:05,167 All right. 348 00:13:05,292 --> 00:13:06,667 Let me scroll through the spectrum 349 00:13:06,792 --> 00:13:08,167 just so we can get a sense of baseline here. 350 00:13:08,250 --> 00:13:09,667 OK. 351 00:13:09,708 --> 00:13:11,500 And we're already seeing multiple peaks here. 352 00:13:11,583 --> 00:13:14,167 Right there, the line is on 1.600. 353 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:16,292 And do you see how after that point, 354 00:13:16,292 --> 00:13:17,833 there's no spikes like that anymore? 355 00:13:17,875 --> 00:13:19,042 SPEAKER: Yeah. Yeah. 356 00:13:19,167 --> 00:13:20,833 Now what we're going to do is pull out 357 00:13:20,917 --> 00:13:23,250 an antenna that you can point. 358 00:13:23,333 --> 00:13:26,708 So we'll find out what direction these signals are coming from. 359 00:13:26,833 --> 00:13:29,000 So we're cued right in on 1.6 gigahertz, sir. 360 00:13:29,083 --> 00:13:30,042 Ready when you are. 361 00:13:30,125 --> 00:13:31,917 SPEAKER: I'm sweeping clockwise. 362 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,500 NARRATOR: The spectrum analyzer has 363 00:13:33,542 --> 00:13:37,833 detected a signal in the restricted 1.6 gigahertz zone. 364 00:13:37,917 --> 00:13:41,417 Now the team will use their log periodic antenna. 365 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:46,000 By rotating the log periodic antenna 360 degrees, 366 00:13:46,125 --> 00:13:49,167 it can isolate and hone in on the exact direction 367 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:51,750 a radio signal is coming from. 368 00:13:51,875 --> 00:13:54,208 With this equipment, the team will attempt 369 00:13:54,333 --> 00:13:58,167 to pinpoint the origin of the 1.6 gigahertz signal 370 00:13:58,208 --> 00:13:59,417 at the lake bed. 371 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:00,417 SPEAKER: It's dead now. 372 00:14:00,417 --> 00:14:01,792 Dead now. 373 00:14:01,875 --> 00:14:03,208 OK, so I'm gonna move back from right to left, 374 00:14:03,208 --> 00:14:06,917 looking out at the saddle, between the two 375 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,083 peaks of the saddle. 376 00:14:11,167 --> 00:14:12,458 Oop, oop, oop. Look at this. 377 00:14:12,542 --> 00:14:13,667 Look at this. SPEAKER: Yep. 378 00:14:13,708 --> 00:14:15,125 Wow. 379 00:14:15,208 --> 00:14:17,167 Look at all of this energy in here, Paul. 380 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:19,125 Wow, that's right-- aimed right at the saddle, 381 00:14:19,208 --> 00:14:21,000 right where you were pointing at earlier today. 382 00:14:21,125 --> 00:14:23,167 Yeah, same direction where we saw those lights. 383 00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:24,833 Yeah. 384 00:14:24,917 --> 00:14:26,958 NARRATOR: The team has determined that a 1.6 gigahertz 385 00:14:27,042 --> 00:14:30,667 signal for Earth-to-space or space-to-Earth communication 386 00:14:30,750 --> 00:14:37,083 is coming from where Derek and Dave filmed their strange craft. 387 00:14:37,167 --> 00:14:38,500 My gosh! 388 00:14:38,542 --> 00:14:40,000 Wow. 389 00:14:40,125 --> 00:14:41,208 Look at the size. SPEAKER: Looks like a heartbeat. 390 00:14:41,292 --> 00:14:42,208 Exactly. 391 00:14:42,292 --> 00:14:43,958 Exactly. 392 00:14:44,042 --> 00:14:46,833 This is in an area where there was no radio energy earlier. 393 00:14:46,958 --> 00:14:47,833 Like, we were out here. 394 00:14:47,958 --> 00:14:49,250 It was a flat line spectrum. 395 00:14:52,667 --> 00:14:54,708 Look at this, Paul. 396 00:14:54,833 --> 00:14:56,167 Look at how intense this is. 397 00:14:56,250 --> 00:14:58,875 Whoa! 398 00:14:58,958 --> 00:15:00,792 That's the brightest change in differential 399 00:15:00,875 --> 00:15:02,417 we've had all night, David. - Look at that. 400 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:04,083 That's crazy. 401 00:15:04,167 --> 00:15:06,375 This strip of mountain is now increasing in temperature. 402 00:15:06,458 --> 00:15:08,500 NARRATOR: This thermal anomaly that 403 00:15:08,583 --> 00:15:11,625 stretches across the same area where the team located 404 00:15:11,708 --> 00:15:16,708 a 1.6 gigahertz signal is now the second piece of technology 405 00:15:16,792 --> 00:15:19,167 that shows strange data where Derek 406 00:15:19,250 --> 00:15:22,167 and Dave filmed a possible UAP. 407 00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:25,000 It's really important to understand that the differential 408 00:15:25,083 --> 00:15:28,000 flare is actually showing us changes in temperature, 409 00:15:28,042 --> 00:15:29,458 not just static temperature. 410 00:15:29,542 --> 00:15:32,250 So we are literally watching the temperature 411 00:15:32,333 --> 00:15:36,917 in the mesa increase over time while we're sitting here. 412 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,500 That's something we've never seen before, 413 00:15:38,542 --> 00:15:40,875 and that's something I have no way of explaining. 414 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,417 I actually saw this happen at Skinwalker Ranch. 415 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:46,292 We saw thermal anomalies that we could not explain. 416 00:15:46,375 --> 00:15:48,500 SPEAKER: Erik, it's heating up on top of the mesa. 417 00:15:48,583 --> 00:15:49,500 Are you kidding me? 418 00:15:49,625 --> 00:15:50,750 SPEAKER: You should see this. 419 00:15:50,750 --> 00:15:52,417 This is fascinating. 420 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:54,625 Right there, that's where the stone circle is. 421 00:15:54,708 --> 00:15:58,042 Look how hot it's getting. 422 00:15:58,125 --> 00:15:59,917 I-- I don't know how to explain it. 423 00:16:00,042 --> 00:16:01,458 I don't know what would cause that. 424 00:16:01,542 --> 00:16:02,917 I don't know either. 425 00:16:03,042 --> 00:16:03,708 That's crazy. 426 00:16:06,583 --> 00:16:07,542 Whoa! 427 00:16:07,625 --> 00:16:10,500 Everything just died. 428 00:16:10,583 --> 00:16:11,417 Car just died, too? 429 00:16:14,583 --> 00:16:15,542 Yeah. 430 00:16:15,667 --> 00:16:16,750 Car just turned itself off? 431 00:16:16,833 --> 00:16:18,792 The car just shut down? 432 00:16:18,875 --> 00:16:20,000 I'm not sure what's going on. 433 00:16:20,083 --> 00:16:22,083 It just cut off. 434 00:16:22,208 --> 00:16:25,000 What could explain that? 435 00:16:25,125 --> 00:16:26,542 I guess it's part of the phenomenon. 436 00:16:26,625 --> 00:16:28,667 We're just getting these weird, like, cascading 437 00:16:28,792 --> 00:16:29,542 failures out here. 438 00:16:29,625 --> 00:16:30,833 Yeah. 439 00:16:30,917 --> 00:16:32,542 We're having mechanical and energy 440 00:16:32,667 --> 00:16:33,958 failures here left and right. 441 00:16:34,042 --> 00:16:35,833 But the temperature is comfortable. 442 00:16:35,917 --> 00:16:37,458 The equipment has all been fully charged. 443 00:16:37,542 --> 00:16:39,458 Everything was tested before we brought it out. 444 00:16:39,542 --> 00:16:42,083 And yet still, we're seeing this incredible drain of power. 445 00:16:45,667 --> 00:16:48,083 There we go. 446 00:16:48,167 --> 00:16:50,375 I gotta go and individually power these guys up. 447 00:16:50,458 --> 00:16:51,083 All right. 448 00:16:51,208 --> 00:16:52,875 It's powering back up. 449 00:16:52,958 --> 00:16:54,583 What is that light? 450 00:16:54,667 --> 00:16:56,208 What is that light? 451 00:16:56,292 --> 00:16:58,958 Derek, David, what is that? 452 00:17:08,083 --> 00:17:10,083 We're just getting these weird, like, cascading 453 00:17:10,167 --> 00:17:12,042 failures out here. 454 00:17:12,208 --> 00:17:13,125 What is that light? 455 00:17:16,375 --> 00:17:17,833 NARRATOR: The team is at Clark Dry 456 00:17:17,917 --> 00:17:21,750 Lake bed, a spot once monitored by NASA for UFO activity. 457 00:17:21,833 --> 00:17:25,167 Right after losing power to all of their equipment, 458 00:17:25,250 --> 00:17:29,125 they've spotted some type of orb low to the ground. 459 00:17:29,208 --> 00:17:32,167 Let me get it on Sionyx. 460 00:17:32,250 --> 00:17:34,167 If it's headlights or otherwise, it's in the middle 461 00:17:34,250 --> 00:17:35,208 of an open desert. 462 00:17:35,292 --> 00:17:36,375 SPEAKER: So there's no road. 463 00:17:36,458 --> 00:17:37,833 SPEAKER: There's no road at all. 464 00:17:37,917 --> 00:17:39,792 Here, take a look for yourself. 465 00:17:39,875 --> 00:17:42,417 There's nothing out there for it to be driving on. 466 00:17:45,833 --> 00:17:48,958 And there's no heat source coming from it either. 467 00:17:49,042 --> 00:17:50,708 I mean, if it is, it's not that much hotter 468 00:17:50,792 --> 00:17:52,833 than whatever's around it. 469 00:17:52,917 --> 00:17:53,708 Strange. 470 00:17:56,542 --> 00:18:00,375 I don't understand why there would be a vehicle at all. 471 00:18:00,458 --> 00:18:02,292 Unless they drove over open desert. 472 00:18:02,375 --> 00:18:03,667 And it's-- it's pretty muddy. SPEAKER: It's muddy. 473 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:04,917 Yeah. 474 00:18:05,042 --> 00:18:05,708 SPEAKER: Dangerous to be out that far. 475 00:18:05,833 --> 00:18:07,333 SPEAKER: Not smart. 476 00:18:07,375 --> 00:18:08,333 They'd have to come from the other side of the valley 477 00:18:08,375 --> 00:18:09,542 because they didn't pass us. 478 00:18:09,625 --> 00:18:11,167 SPEAKER: We would have spotted somebody. 479 00:18:14,958 --> 00:18:16,167 SPEAKER: It just faded out. - It's gone. 480 00:18:16,292 --> 00:18:17,583 I don't see it at all right now. 481 00:18:20,375 --> 00:18:22,625 SPEAKER: Yeah, it's gone. 482 00:18:22,708 --> 00:18:24,542 That was-- that was weird. 483 00:18:29,708 --> 00:18:30,458 Whoa. 484 00:18:30,542 --> 00:18:33,083 Wow. 485 00:18:33,208 --> 00:18:34,625 It's right along the ridge now. 486 00:18:37,833 --> 00:18:39,833 Now it's in a bit of a saddle. 487 00:18:39,917 --> 00:18:41,625 I see it. 488 00:18:41,708 --> 00:18:43,500 And this is the sort of thing that we've 489 00:18:43,583 --> 00:18:46,667 had reported multiple times, these glowing orbs that 490 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:48,333 almost look like fireballs. 491 00:18:48,417 --> 00:18:49,750 It's about to go behind it. 492 00:18:53,208 --> 00:18:54,083 It's gone. 493 00:18:57,042 --> 00:18:58,417 Well, that was strange. 494 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:00,125 That felt like we were being watched. 495 00:19:00,208 --> 00:19:01,083 - All desert out there. - Yeah. 496 00:19:01,208 --> 00:19:02,375 No, there's nothing out there. 497 00:19:02,458 --> 00:19:04,500 There's something going on out here, 498 00:19:04,583 --> 00:19:07,167 and I do not know what it is. 499 00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:09,833 We get some kind of strange lights low on the horizon. 500 00:19:09,875 --> 00:19:12,167 And at the same time, we've got some kind of orb. 501 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:14,583 You know, it seems to be traversing the ridge above us. 502 00:19:14,708 --> 00:19:16,250 I don't know what connects these things. 503 00:19:16,375 --> 00:19:17,667 Are we being observed? 504 00:19:17,708 --> 00:19:18,833 Are we being monitored? 505 00:19:18,917 --> 00:19:20,750 Are we triggering these things? 506 00:19:20,750 --> 00:19:22,375 This is just weird. 507 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:25,042 This is nothing like-- nothing we've ever seen before. 508 00:19:25,208 --> 00:19:26,500 I don't know what to make of it, 509 00:19:26,542 --> 00:19:29,000 but I can't wait to show it to Travis and Erik. 510 00:19:29,042 --> 00:19:30,333 Absolutely. 511 00:19:30,375 --> 00:19:31,583 On the differential cameras, this 512 00:19:31,708 --> 00:19:33,583 matches what they've seen on Skinwalker Ranch, 513 00:19:33,667 --> 00:19:36,208 and then the radio signal coming from exactly 514 00:19:36,292 --> 00:19:39,125 where Dave and Derek captured the strange lights. 515 00:19:39,208 --> 00:19:40,792 And then we also had the orb sighting. 516 00:19:40,875 --> 00:19:42,417 Yeah. 517 00:19:42,542 --> 00:19:43,917 I mean, there's just-- there's a lot going on out here. 518 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,042 I see why you guys made a documentary about this. 519 00:19:46,125 --> 00:19:46,792 Exactly. 520 00:19:54,875 --> 00:19:58,500 NARRATOR: The next day, the team meets up in Borrego Springs 521 00:19:58,625 --> 00:20:02,000 to review the findings from last night's investigation. 522 00:20:02,125 --> 00:20:04,708 David, I'm really excited to see what you were able to pull 523 00:20:04,833 --> 00:20:07,583 from your records last night in Clark Dry Lake bed, 524 00:20:07,667 --> 00:20:10,167 an area that we went to because you told us there 525 00:20:10,208 --> 00:20:11,667 were strange things there. 526 00:20:11,792 --> 00:20:14,167 I'm very excited too, because this differential FLIR 527 00:20:14,208 --> 00:20:16,292 technology is not commercially available, 528 00:20:16,375 --> 00:20:19,375 and we picked up anomalies that were not detected 529 00:20:19,458 --> 00:20:21,208 on the conventional FLIR. 530 00:20:21,292 --> 00:20:22,625 I'd like to show you what we have. 531 00:20:22,708 --> 00:20:23,750 Yeah, please. 532 00:20:23,875 --> 00:20:25,708 So what we have is-- 533 00:20:25,792 --> 00:20:28,167 this is sped up 10 times. 534 00:20:28,250 --> 00:20:32,250 We have these stringed objects coming through. 535 00:20:32,333 --> 00:20:34,417 This was not detected on the conventional FLIR, 536 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:36,042 just on the differential flare. 537 00:20:36,125 --> 00:20:37,167 Now, hold on one second. 538 00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:38,542 Can you pause for just a second? 539 00:20:38,625 --> 00:20:40,958 Sure. 540 00:20:41,042 --> 00:20:41,750 Look at that. 541 00:20:45,375 --> 00:20:47,333 Have you seen this kind of activity in the sky 542 00:20:47,417 --> 00:20:49,458 before with these in Skinwalker Ranch? 543 00:20:49,542 --> 00:20:51,375 Not that particular activity. 544 00:20:51,458 --> 00:20:53,750 We certainly saw anomalies on the mesa. 545 00:20:53,833 --> 00:20:56,167 You know, around the mesa at Skinwalker. 546 00:20:56,292 --> 00:20:58,208 You have not seen anything in the sky like this. 547 00:20:58,292 --> 00:20:59,417 Not quite like that. No. 548 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:01,000 So this is something completely new. 549 00:21:01,125 --> 00:21:02,167 Yeah. 550 00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:03,750 I wasn't expecting to see this. 551 00:21:03,833 --> 00:21:05,667 Just to reiterate, what we're seeing here 552 00:21:05,708 --> 00:21:07,792 is changes in temperature, right? 553 00:21:07,875 --> 00:21:10,208 Yeah, just a change in temperature, but not an 554 00:21:10,333 --> 00:21:12,042 actual readback of temperature. 555 00:21:12,042 --> 00:21:14,958 So if it's a brighter color, it is a warmer temperature 556 00:21:15,042 --> 00:21:16,167 relative to background. 557 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:17,625 What do you think this might be? 558 00:21:17,708 --> 00:21:19,667 What can you plausibly explain this as? 559 00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:22,333 If they were detected in the conventional flare, I-- 560 00:21:22,375 --> 00:21:24,667 I would presume it would be high-altitude aircraft. 561 00:21:24,792 --> 00:21:27,667 But because it wasn't detected, I-- 562 00:21:27,792 --> 00:21:29,500 I can't explain it. 563 00:21:29,625 --> 00:21:31,500 We have other phenomenon. 564 00:21:31,583 --> 00:21:33,750 This is the differential flare again. 565 00:21:33,833 --> 00:21:37,500 This is the top of the mesa right here. 566 00:21:37,583 --> 00:21:39,083 And we start to see objects-- 567 00:21:39,167 --> 00:21:39,917 SPEAKER: Wow. 568 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:40,667 SPEAKER: Whoa. 569 00:21:40,792 --> 00:21:42,000 Whoa. 570 00:21:42,125 --> 00:21:44,125 DAVID MASON: --just getting detected. 571 00:21:44,208 --> 00:21:46,125 There's two of them side by side. 572 00:21:46,208 --> 00:21:47,625 ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Totally in sync. 573 00:21:47,708 --> 00:21:48,833 Look at that. 574 00:21:48,958 --> 00:21:50,250 SPEAKER: It's wild. 575 00:21:50,375 --> 00:21:53,167 SPEAKER: Yeah, wild is exactly what it is. 576 00:21:53,208 --> 00:21:54,750 And we have another object. 577 00:21:54,833 --> 00:21:56,917 This was also not detected with the conventional flare. 578 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,417 It'll come right on this corner, very top right. 579 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:01,167 SPEAKER: Oh, hello. 580 00:22:01,208 --> 00:22:02,667 SPEAKER: Wow. 581 00:22:02,750 --> 00:22:03,958 What is that? 582 00:22:07,292 --> 00:22:07,958 Look at that. 583 00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:15,000 I mean, the fact that we have seen now 584 00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:19,375 multiple sets of objects flying through the sky captured 585 00:22:19,458 --> 00:22:22,583 on differential flare that we were just totally 586 00:22:22,667 --> 00:22:27,042 blind to with our naked eyes, and blind to 587 00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:28,167 with the conventional flare, too. 588 00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:29,750 Right. 589 00:22:29,833 --> 00:22:31,583 That's the really puzzling thing is it wasn't 590 00:22:31,667 --> 00:22:33,542 detected with the conventional. 591 00:22:33,625 --> 00:22:37,375 So we have something happening that cannot be explained. 592 00:22:37,542 --> 00:22:39,375 How does this feel to the two of you? 593 00:22:39,542 --> 00:22:42,000 You guys did the research, filmed, and recorded, 594 00:22:42,083 --> 00:22:44,958 and you're airing a documentary about the strangeness 595 00:22:45,042 --> 00:22:46,292 in this region. 596 00:22:46,375 --> 00:22:47,667 It's validation for sure. 597 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:49,167 I mean, we've heard so many reports 598 00:22:49,208 --> 00:22:50,708 about this kind of thing. 599 00:22:50,833 --> 00:22:53,792 And it's great to finally, you know, lay eyes on it. 600 00:22:53,875 --> 00:22:56,833 I've definitely seen something I was not expecting. 601 00:22:56,917 --> 00:22:59,167 I was anticipating we would get something of interest, 602 00:22:59,208 --> 00:23:00,292 but not this. 603 00:23:00,375 --> 00:23:02,292 This has really been a bonus. 604 00:23:02,292 --> 00:23:06,167 Well, this is an incredible start to this investigation. 605 00:23:06,250 --> 00:23:07,792 You know who you ought to talk to is 606 00:23:07,875 --> 00:23:11,750 someone we had on the film, Roland Vellanoweth up in Anza. 607 00:23:11,833 --> 00:23:13,792 He knows that place like the back of his hand. 608 00:23:13,875 --> 00:23:14,917 He's seen stuff. 609 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,500 He'd be somebody you'd want to talk to. 610 00:23:16,583 --> 00:23:17,625 Yeah. Thanks, guys. 611 00:23:17,708 --> 00:23:18,875 That's a great lead. - Yeah. 612 00:23:18,875 --> 00:23:19,458 Appreciate it. 613 00:23:19,458 --> 00:23:21,708 Of course. 614 00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:32,500 NARRATOR: After finishing their investigation at Clark Dry Lake 615 00:23:32,583 --> 00:23:35,000 bed in Borrego Springs, the team is now 616 00:23:35,083 --> 00:23:38,167 moving 30 miles Northwest to the Thomas Mountain 617 00:23:38,208 --> 00:23:40,583 overlook next to the town of Anza 618 00:23:40,667 --> 00:23:43,458 to investigate a legendary light phenomenon 619 00:23:43,542 --> 00:23:47,250 frequently cited by the locals that they call Goldie. 620 00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:48,917 Since most of the Goldie sightings 621 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,375 happened during the day, the team is conducting 622 00:23:51,458 --> 00:23:53,167 a daytime investigation. 623 00:23:53,208 --> 00:23:56,292 They're joining longtime resident and leader of the Anza 624 00:23:56,375 --> 00:23:58,667 Paranormal Group, Roland Vellanoweth, 625 00:23:58,750 --> 00:24:01,917 and his daughter, Lauren Hohnbaum at Thomas Mountain. 626 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,250 We are actually in the most common 627 00:24:04,333 --> 00:24:07,250 spot for sighting things out here, 628 00:24:07,375 --> 00:24:08,667 the lookout on Thomas Mountain. 629 00:24:08,792 --> 00:24:10,167 Yeah. 630 00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:12,333 Most of the lights that I've seen have been over there. 631 00:24:12,458 --> 00:24:13,250 Really? 632 00:24:13,375 --> 00:24:14,917 Interesting. 633 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,167 There's usually three orbs that will pop up half the time. 634 00:24:18,208 --> 00:24:23,917 And one, maybe two, would find themselves over Thomas. 635 00:24:24,042 --> 00:24:26,167 And then eventually, they would all be over here. 636 00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:27,500 And then they'll just disappear. 637 00:24:27,625 --> 00:24:28,750 ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: It's really interesting. 638 00:24:28,833 --> 00:24:30,708 LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Yeah, that was Goldie. 639 00:24:30,792 --> 00:24:32,667 All of that happened right here, just off. 640 00:24:32,792 --> 00:24:33,417 LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Yeah. ROLAND VELLANOWETH: Right. 641 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:34,542 Right here. 642 00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:35,708 Perfect viewpoint. 643 00:24:35,792 --> 00:24:38,000 Well, we've got our kit set up. 644 00:24:38,042 --> 00:24:39,333 We've got thermal cameras. 645 00:24:39,375 --> 00:24:40,667 That's what you see here with the colors. 646 00:24:40,750 --> 00:24:43,000 This is the overall ambient temperature. 647 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,792 And then here's the temperature focused on Thomas Mountain. 648 00:24:45,875 --> 00:24:47,042 OK. 649 00:24:47,125 --> 00:24:48,833 These black and white images you see are tied 650 00:24:48,875 --> 00:24:51,208 to our AI-powered UFODAPs that are always watching the sky, 651 00:24:51,292 --> 00:24:53,500 recording everything they see, and running it against 652 00:24:53,583 --> 00:24:56,208 the database to determine whether or not it's known 653 00:24:56,292 --> 00:24:57,708 or potentially unknown. 654 00:24:57,708 --> 00:24:58,708 Got it. 655 00:24:58,792 --> 00:25:00,042 And these are spectrum analyzers. 656 00:25:00,125 --> 00:25:01,667 They're looking at the radio spectrum. 657 00:25:01,708 --> 00:25:04,000 Let's go ahead and hit record on everything. 658 00:25:07,333 --> 00:25:08,500 You hear that? 659 00:25:08,542 --> 00:25:09,500 ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Can you zoom in? 660 00:25:09,542 --> 00:25:11,125 Is that a black helicopter? 661 00:25:11,208 --> 00:25:13,458 NARRATOR: As the team finishes setting up their equipment, 662 00:25:13,542 --> 00:25:15,625 Andy notices something overhead. 663 00:25:15,708 --> 00:25:17,208 ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: That looks like 664 00:25:17,292 --> 00:25:19,667 a privately-owned helicopter, but it's all blacked out. 665 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:21,333 I'd like to say it's unusual, but 666 00:25:21,375 --> 00:25:23,792 a lot of people in the valley have seen these multiple times. 667 00:25:23,875 --> 00:25:25,542 So that would be unlisted. 668 00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:26,833 Do we have an FAA tracker? 669 00:25:26,875 --> 00:25:29,167 Yeah, we do. 670 00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:30,458 And there's our helicopter. 671 00:25:30,542 --> 00:25:31,958 Let's see what its transponder code is. 672 00:25:32,042 --> 00:25:33,042 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 673 00:25:33,125 --> 00:25:34,167 So it is registered. 674 00:25:34,292 --> 00:25:35,000 505 AJ. 675 00:25:35,042 --> 00:25:35,875 Yeah. 676 00:25:38,542 --> 00:25:40,250 No destination available. 677 00:25:40,375 --> 00:25:41,333 Private owner. 678 00:25:41,375 --> 00:25:42,042 PAUL BEBAN: Yeah. 679 00:25:44,542 --> 00:25:47,375 Bell 505 Jet Ranger X. So check this out. 680 00:25:47,375 --> 00:25:48,833 It's a recycled tail number. 681 00:25:48,917 --> 00:25:50,208 Oh, interesting. 682 00:25:50,292 --> 00:25:52,125 So the original tail number was listed to a aircraft 683 00:25:52,208 --> 00:25:53,792 that was taken out of service. 684 00:25:53,875 --> 00:25:55,583 Usually, what you want to do is take a tail number, especially 685 00:25:55,708 --> 00:25:57,250 from a passenger jet, and then move 686 00:25:57,333 --> 00:25:58,667 it to another passenger jet. 687 00:25:58,750 --> 00:26:00,417 But to move it to helicopter is interesting. 688 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:02,000 It's a completely different airframe. 689 00:26:02,083 --> 00:26:02,792 PAUL BEBAN: Yeah. 690 00:26:04,958 --> 00:26:08,583 Roland, you were saying that you've also seen privately-owned 691 00:26:08,708 --> 00:26:10,500 aircraft that not necessarily attributed 692 00:26:10,625 --> 00:26:12,500 to military or police. 693 00:26:12,583 --> 00:26:14,208 And they're not all this well-marked. 694 00:26:14,292 --> 00:26:15,500 I'm not the only one, actually. 695 00:26:15,583 --> 00:26:17,167 A lot of people have reported blacked out 696 00:26:17,208 --> 00:26:19,000 helicopters during events that are going on. 697 00:26:19,042 --> 00:26:20,833 PAUL BEBAN: What do you mean during events? 698 00:26:20,917 --> 00:26:23,708 Well, during, like, when they see Goldie around. 699 00:26:23,792 --> 00:26:25,750 My youngest daughter, she was driving and was 700 00:26:25,833 --> 00:26:28,042 being followed by helicopters. - Like it was tracking it? 701 00:26:28,125 --> 00:26:29,250 Exactly. 702 00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:31,458 I wouldn't be surprised if they know we're here. 703 00:26:31,542 --> 00:26:32,875 I was going to say, a helicopter 704 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,875 tracking your daughter after she sees something, 705 00:26:34,958 --> 00:26:37,500 and we are here literally to see something. 706 00:26:37,583 --> 00:26:38,833 We're not trying to hide either. 707 00:26:38,875 --> 00:26:40,083 We couldn't be more obvious. 708 00:26:40,167 --> 00:26:41,917 We're just out here in the wide open. 709 00:26:42,042 --> 00:26:44,125 NARRATOR: Now that the helicopter is gone, 710 00:26:44,208 --> 00:26:47,333 the team begins their investigation at the Thomas 711 00:26:47,417 --> 00:26:48,958 Mountain overlook. 712 00:26:49,042 --> 00:26:51,958 For this experiment, they will be surveying the area 713 00:26:52,042 --> 00:26:54,750 around Thomas Mountain, hoping to capture 714 00:26:54,833 --> 00:26:57,333 any evidence of the strange phenomenon 715 00:26:57,375 --> 00:27:00,583 that the locals call Goldie. 716 00:27:00,583 --> 00:27:01,333 All right. 717 00:27:01,375 --> 00:27:02,458 We're recording. 718 00:27:02,542 --> 00:27:03,917 All right. 719 00:27:04,042 --> 00:27:05,417 We've got motion on both of our spectrum analyzers, 720 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:07,792 and we already have some interesting activity here, too. 721 00:27:07,875 --> 00:27:09,000 Look at this, Paul. 722 00:27:09,125 --> 00:27:09,708 Whoa. 723 00:27:09,833 --> 00:27:11,208 Right out of the gate. 724 00:27:11,292 --> 00:27:13,000 Yeah. 725 00:27:13,125 --> 00:27:16,292 I'm going to do a zoom out here to look at a broader spectrum. 726 00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:17,375 LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Oh, wow. 727 00:27:17,458 --> 00:27:18,708 PAUL BEBAN: Whoa. 728 00:27:18,792 --> 00:27:20,917 As soon as we dialed in 1.56 gigahertz. 729 00:27:21,042 --> 00:27:21,833 Now watch this. 730 00:27:25,792 --> 00:27:27,500 LAUREN HOHNBAUM: No way. 731 00:27:27,542 --> 00:27:30,833 1.55 gigahertz. 732 00:27:30,875 --> 00:27:35,833 We change 0.01 gigahertz, and that's the signal that we see. 733 00:27:35,917 --> 00:27:37,917 PAUL BEBAN: It's a really complex signal. 734 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,875 Are we even in a frequency range 735 00:27:39,958 --> 00:27:41,917 that anyone would commonly use? 736 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,625 No, that's a great point, because the frequency range that 737 00:27:44,708 --> 00:27:46,167 we're in right now, it's reserved 738 00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:48,667 for Earth-to-space and space-to-Earth communications. 739 00:27:48,708 --> 00:27:52,250 The federal law prevents anybody without 740 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:54,500 a federal license from being able to transmit 741 00:27:54,542 --> 00:27:55,583 at this frequency. - I see. 742 00:27:55,667 --> 00:27:57,250 Interesting. OK. 743 00:27:57,333 --> 00:27:59,333 So what I think I'd like to do, Paul, is let's do a 360 744 00:27:59,458 --> 00:28:01,167 from our log periodic antenna. 745 00:28:01,208 --> 00:28:02,792 Yeah. 746 00:28:02,875 --> 00:28:04,750 NARRATOR: After detecting an anomalous radio signal 747 00:28:04,875 --> 00:28:08,292 on the privileged 1.56 gigahertz frequency, 748 00:28:08,375 --> 00:28:12,000 the team is now going to use their directional antenna to do 749 00:28:12,083 --> 00:28:15,875 a 360 degree scan of the area to see if they can 750 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,792 pinpoint the exact location where the signal is 751 00:28:18,875 --> 00:28:20,042 transmitting from. 752 00:28:20,167 --> 00:28:21,583 All right. 753 00:28:21,708 --> 00:28:23,208 Let's see how this changes with some direction. 754 00:28:23,292 --> 00:28:24,708 We're going to go counterclockwise. 755 00:28:24,792 --> 00:28:25,708 All right. 756 00:28:27,833 --> 00:28:29,625 Strong, solid line here. 757 00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:31,625 Steady. 758 00:28:31,708 --> 00:28:34,750 So we've got a rising overall temperature here. 759 00:28:34,875 --> 00:28:35,667 LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Whoa. 760 00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:36,833 This keeps going up. 761 00:28:36,958 --> 00:28:39,458 Yeah, look at that. Look at that. 762 00:28:39,542 --> 00:28:40,292 Whoa. 763 00:28:40,542 --> 00:28:41,333 Wow. 764 00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:44,125 Whoa! 765 00:28:44,208 --> 00:28:46,583 What was that? 766 00:28:46,667 --> 00:28:48,083 That's crazy, man. 767 00:28:53,667 --> 00:28:55,042 All right. 768 00:28:55,125 --> 00:28:56,583 Let's see how this changes with some direction. 769 00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:58,083 We're going to go counterclockwise. 770 00:28:58,167 --> 00:28:59,833 All right. 771 00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:02,542 NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are on Thomas Mountain in Anza, 772 00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:04,667 where they've detected an anomalous radio 773 00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:08,250 frequency at 1.56 gigahertz. 774 00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:10,917 While attempting to pinpoint the signal using 775 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,583 a directional antenna, they've captured 776 00:29:13,667 --> 00:29:17,958 a completely different anomaly on their FLIR thermal camera. 777 00:29:18,042 --> 00:29:22,333 So we've got a rising overall temperature here. 778 00:29:22,417 --> 00:29:23,250 Look at that. 779 00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:24,000 Whoa. 780 00:29:24,083 --> 00:29:25,542 Wow. 781 00:29:25,625 --> 00:29:26,833 It keeps going up. 782 00:29:26,917 --> 00:29:28,333 Whoa! LAUREN HOHNBAUM: What was that? 783 00:29:28,375 --> 00:29:29,208 Did you see that? 784 00:29:29,208 --> 00:29:30,167 PAUL BEBAN: Whoa. 785 00:29:30,292 --> 00:29:31,750 ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Wow. 786 00:29:31,833 --> 00:29:33,125 LAUREN HOHNBAUM: That's Thomas Mountain for you. 787 00:29:33,208 --> 00:29:35,375 Everything dropped about 4 degrees. 788 00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:41,583 LAUREN HOHNBAUM: It went from 71.1 down to 66, and it flashed. 789 00:29:41,667 --> 00:29:43,167 And we're already back to 69 degrees. 790 00:29:43,292 --> 00:29:46,083 So-- so something rapidly cool the environment. 791 00:29:46,208 --> 00:29:48,875 And then the ambient air came back in and brought 792 00:29:48,958 --> 00:29:50,542 the temperature back up again. 793 00:29:50,542 --> 00:29:52,667 So I want to make sure that we finish the full sweep. 794 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:54,500 So can you finish the full sweep, if you don't 795 00:29:54,625 --> 00:29:55,708 mind keeping an eye on this? 796 00:29:55,792 --> 00:29:57,042 Thank you very much. 797 00:29:57,125 --> 00:29:59,000 She's been watching that like a hawk. 798 00:29:59,083 --> 00:30:02,667 Gotta brought in my attention. 799 00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:06,000 All right, let's take a look. 800 00:30:06,083 --> 00:30:07,625 I'll go clockwise this time. 801 00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:10,167 Come back around. 802 00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:13,167 NARRATOR: As the team rotates the directional antenna 803 00:30:13,208 --> 00:30:17,833 to try to locate the source of the 1.56 gigahertz signal-- 804 00:30:17,875 --> 00:30:19,750 ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: It's strong this whole time. 805 00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:21,167 PAUL BEBAN: Yeah, it's not changing at all. 806 00:30:21,208 --> 00:30:23,167 NARRATOR: --they're discovering that the signal 807 00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:26,708 is the same in every direction the antenna points toward. 808 00:30:26,792 --> 00:30:28,667 I would expect it to drop off by now. 809 00:30:28,708 --> 00:30:35,458 We have something completely consistent. 810 00:30:35,542 --> 00:30:38,375 Wow. 811 00:30:38,458 --> 00:30:40,958 You've gone almost 2/3 of the way through a circle. 812 00:30:41,042 --> 00:30:42,833 It hasn't changed. 813 00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:44,250 This thing is holding steady. 814 00:30:44,333 --> 00:30:48,833 That's as consistent and stable as we've seen. 815 00:30:48,875 --> 00:30:50,042 Whatever frequencies we're coming 816 00:30:50,167 --> 00:30:52,000 across are strong and stable. 817 00:30:52,042 --> 00:30:53,250 OK. 818 00:30:53,333 --> 00:30:55,625 So how can a signal be all around us like that? 819 00:30:55,708 --> 00:30:57,167 How can a signal be all around us? 820 00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:59,042 Yeah. 821 00:30:59,042 --> 00:31:01,583 I mean, we'd have to be sitting on top of the origin point. 822 00:31:01,667 --> 00:31:03,167 Or the receiver. 823 00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:03,833 Right. 824 00:31:03,917 --> 00:31:06,167 Or the receiver. 825 00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:07,708 Yeah. 826 00:31:07,792 --> 00:31:13,500 We are either on the point that is creating this frequency 827 00:31:13,583 --> 00:31:17,042 or we are on the point that is receiving this frequency. 828 00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:17,750 Yeah. 829 00:31:17,833 --> 00:31:19,333 But why is it here? 830 00:31:19,458 --> 00:31:22,292 This is the heart of whatever's going on in the area. 831 00:31:22,375 --> 00:31:24,958 The radio energy here on Thomas Mountain is off the charts. 832 00:31:25,042 --> 00:31:26,833 We're seeing it happen from all around us. 833 00:31:26,917 --> 00:31:30,250 So this area is either a transmitter or a receiver 834 00:31:30,375 --> 00:31:32,417 of some sort of strange signal that's 835 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,000 reaching to and from space. 836 00:31:38,417 --> 00:31:39,208 There it is. 837 00:31:39,292 --> 00:31:39,833 There it is. 838 00:31:39,958 --> 00:31:41,167 There it is again. 839 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:42,000 Wow. 840 00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:49,000 And the temperature dropped again once it flashed. 841 00:31:49,042 --> 00:31:50,792 We just had a second flash that 842 00:31:50,875 --> 00:31:53,833 occurred almost exactly like the first flash earlier today. 843 00:31:53,917 --> 00:31:55,667 So we for sure are going to want to review 844 00:31:55,708 --> 00:31:57,000 both of those instances to see how 845 00:31:57,083 --> 00:31:58,375 they're similar to each other. 846 00:31:58,500 --> 00:31:59,833 All right. 847 00:31:59,917 --> 00:32:01,333 So I think our first recorded flash happened 848 00:32:01,458 --> 00:32:05,417 right around 46 minutes. 849 00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,333 This is real time. 850 00:32:08,375 --> 00:32:10,375 That was it. LAUREN HOHNBAUM: That's Goldie. 851 00:32:10,458 --> 00:32:11,750 ROLAND VELLANOWETH: Well, you're definitely in the sweet spot 852 00:32:11,875 --> 00:32:13,417 where Goldie usually comes up. 853 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:14,500 ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: There it is right there. 854 00:32:14,583 --> 00:32:15,792 PAUL BEBAN: Yep. 855 00:32:15,875 --> 00:32:16,750 - Yeah, just the mountain. - Right. 856 00:32:16,875 --> 00:32:18,250 Yeah. 857 00:32:18,333 --> 00:32:19,958 You would expect the whole screen to have a flash. 858 00:32:20,042 --> 00:32:21,292 ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Right. - It's only on the mountain. 859 00:32:21,375 --> 00:32:22,583 Yeah. 860 00:32:22,667 --> 00:32:25,000 There is some sort of surge of energy here. 861 00:32:25,042 --> 00:32:28,250 The first thing to ask is whether it's thermal, 862 00:32:28,333 --> 00:32:29,708 but we don't know for sure. 863 00:32:29,833 --> 00:32:31,208 It's really bizarre. 864 00:32:31,292 --> 00:32:32,750 So this was our first instance. 865 00:32:32,833 --> 00:32:34,292 Let's take a look at our second one. 866 00:32:37,458 --> 00:32:39,542 LAUREN HOHNBAUM: There it goes. ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Once again. 867 00:32:39,625 --> 00:32:40,792 ROLAND VELLANOWETH: Once again, right at the flash. 868 00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:42,083 LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Just the mountain. 869 00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:43,375 Yeah, just the mountain. 870 00:32:43,458 --> 00:32:45,500 And it's repeatable. 871 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:46,667 I don't get it, man. 872 00:32:46,750 --> 00:32:48,250 We're not provoking anything. 873 00:32:48,250 --> 00:32:49,833 We're not triggering something. 874 00:32:49,917 --> 00:32:51,167 We're not sending anything out there. 875 00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:52,917 We're just passively observing. 876 00:32:53,042 --> 00:32:54,167 And here's the thing. 877 00:32:54,208 --> 00:32:56,167 We use these everywhere, and we've never 878 00:32:56,292 --> 00:32:58,250 seen this effect anyplace else. 879 00:32:58,375 --> 00:32:59,500 This is unique. 880 00:32:59,542 --> 00:33:00,667 ROLAND VELLANOWETH: Never a flash like this? 881 00:33:00,708 --> 00:33:01,833 - Not like this. - Really? 882 00:33:01,917 --> 00:33:03,000 PAUL BEBAN: Nothing like this. 883 00:33:03,083 --> 00:33:05,250 We may have captured the Goldie 884 00:33:05,333 --> 00:33:07,667 phenomenon at Thomas Mountain. 885 00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:09,000 Right. 886 00:33:09,125 --> 00:33:12,333 I mean, we have multiple really interesting, 887 00:33:12,417 --> 00:33:15,708 demonstrable data-driven anomalies that we've seen 888 00:33:15,708 --> 00:33:18,167 now here at Thomas Mountain. 889 00:33:18,292 --> 00:33:22,167 And our investigation kicked off with an uninvited guest 890 00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:24,333 flying overhead-- directly overhead. 891 00:33:24,375 --> 00:33:25,333 Right. 892 00:33:25,417 --> 00:33:27,833 In a helicopter that's registered 893 00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:31,583 to a retired passenger aircraft's number. 894 00:33:31,667 --> 00:33:32,833 I mean, that was just-- 895 00:33:32,917 --> 00:33:33,708 Weird. 896 00:33:33,792 --> 00:33:35,292 Wild. 897 00:33:35,375 --> 00:33:37,500 There's so many things that we have seen here today 898 00:33:37,542 --> 00:33:41,125 that we have never seen on any of our other investigations. 899 00:33:41,208 --> 00:33:43,125 This place is completely unique. 900 00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:44,667 Thanks for proving that we're not 901 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:46,583 crazy up here on this mountain. 902 00:33:46,667 --> 00:33:47,500 It was well worth it. 903 00:33:47,625 --> 00:33:48,958 Yeah. 904 00:33:49,042 --> 00:33:50,167 I know you have a group of 400-some people. 905 00:33:50,250 --> 00:33:51,083 Yes. 906 00:33:51,167 --> 00:33:52,750 What they're seeing is real. 907 00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:55,417 You know, when I first moved here some many years ago, 908 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,000 just a few years after I got here, 909 00:33:58,083 --> 00:34:00,375 I read an article that said that this area 910 00:34:00,458 --> 00:34:02,167 here, much to my surprise, was the number 911 00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:05,167 four UFO hotspot in the nation. 912 00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:09,208 And I guess it's proven itself at least worthy of the title. 913 00:34:09,292 --> 00:34:10,958 I think you might be climbing the chart. 914 00:34:11,042 --> 00:34:12,333 - Yeah. - Climbing the chart. 915 00:34:12,375 --> 00:34:13,458 After this? 916 00:34:13,542 --> 00:34:14,333 Absolutely. 917 00:34:23,417 --> 00:34:25,458 Well, guys, the last time we were at this table, 918 00:34:25,542 --> 00:34:28,333 you told us about a place with a strange name and a strange story 919 00:34:28,417 --> 00:34:29,250 to tell. 920 00:34:29,333 --> 00:34:30,333 I'm interested in what happened. 921 00:34:30,417 --> 00:34:32,167 That's a great way to put it. 922 00:34:32,208 --> 00:34:34,000 We brought back some-- some pretty fascinating stuff, 923 00:34:34,125 --> 00:34:35,792 I think. - Yeah, absolutely. 924 00:34:35,875 --> 00:34:38,833 So we started this investigation by going right to ground zero, 925 00:34:38,917 --> 00:34:40,875 Clark Dry Lake bed, an area that SETI 926 00:34:40,958 --> 00:34:42,375 had invested in in the past. 927 00:34:42,458 --> 00:34:44,250 The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. 928 00:34:44,375 --> 00:34:46,708 And that-- that was actually where we found out 929 00:34:46,792 --> 00:34:49,208 the original documentarians, Dave and Derek, had their sight 930 00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:50,667 and that they documented on camera. 931 00:34:50,708 --> 00:34:52,625 And I actually have that teed up for you here. 932 00:34:52,708 --> 00:34:54,208 Oh, OK. 933 00:34:54,292 --> 00:34:56,625 There's no infrastructure back there. 934 00:34:56,708 --> 00:35:00,667 And this was a unique sighting for these two gentlemen in all 935 00:35:00,833 --> 00:35:02,333 of their research in the area. 936 00:35:02,417 --> 00:35:04,792 Is this some kind of natural optical phenomenon 937 00:35:04,875 --> 00:35:06,542 or is this actually something? 938 00:35:06,667 --> 00:35:08,667 You know, you mentioned the UAP activity. 939 00:35:08,708 --> 00:35:10,292 They can't explain it. 940 00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:12,542 And it fits into a larger profile of strange sightings 941 00:35:12,625 --> 00:35:14,333 in the area. 942 00:35:14,417 --> 00:35:16,667 So we went right into Clark Dry Lake bed, 943 00:35:16,708 --> 00:35:19,125 and that's where we invited Dave Mason to come out. 944 00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:21,333 We set up all of our passive collection equipment. 945 00:35:21,417 --> 00:35:24,542 The next day, Dave came with a full analysis 946 00:35:24,667 --> 00:35:28,375 of what he captured on the differential flares. 947 00:35:28,458 --> 00:35:32,333 We have these stringed objects coming through. 948 00:35:32,375 --> 00:35:34,333 This was not detected on the conventional FLIR, 949 00:35:34,417 --> 00:35:35,708 just on the differential flare. 950 00:35:38,208 --> 00:35:39,333 What are we seeing there? 951 00:35:39,417 --> 00:35:40,333 Exactly. 952 00:35:40,375 --> 00:35:41,542 You know how these things work. 953 00:35:41,667 --> 00:35:42,292 Yes. 954 00:35:42,375 --> 00:35:43,833 A differential FLIR. 955 00:35:43,875 --> 00:35:47,125 That thing, it's really good at detecting very, very 956 00:35:47,208 --> 00:35:48,417 small changes in temperature. 957 00:35:48,542 --> 00:35:50,000 That means they're leaving a heat 958 00:35:50,083 --> 00:35:51,542 signature that is inconsistent. 959 00:35:51,625 --> 00:35:53,583 It is a changing heat signature, which is the only reason 960 00:35:53,708 --> 00:35:54,833 this camera picks it up. 961 00:35:54,875 --> 00:35:57,667 And I wish that I had any kind of explanation 962 00:35:57,708 --> 00:36:01,333 for what would cause two parallel masses 963 00:36:01,458 --> 00:36:05,417 in the sky being detected by a differential FLIR. 964 00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:07,000 ERIK BARD: What are we seeing here? 965 00:36:07,042 --> 00:36:08,250 I mean, it looks like the-- 966 00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:09,625 They're in tandem with each other. 967 00:36:09,708 --> 00:36:12,500 The relationship between these things is fixed. 968 00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:16,750 Well, as in the video that Derek and Dave showed you, 969 00:36:16,875 --> 00:36:18,500 right? 970 00:36:18,542 --> 00:36:20,292 Because that had a row of lights with a row of lights. 971 00:36:20,375 --> 00:36:22,250 And they were connected, it looked like. 972 00:36:22,333 --> 00:36:24,000 Good point. 973 00:36:24,042 --> 00:36:26,042 And you would have mentioned it by now if you heard the sound 974 00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:27,125 of a pair of jets moving over. 975 00:36:27,208 --> 00:36:28,083 ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Yeah. 976 00:36:28,208 --> 00:36:29,250 Right, right, right. 977 00:36:29,333 --> 00:36:31,583 You know this isn't airplanes. 978 00:36:31,708 --> 00:36:32,667 What is it? 979 00:36:32,708 --> 00:36:34,333 Where is it coming from? 980 00:36:34,375 --> 00:36:37,375 Why are there two little spots in the clouds that's warmer 981 00:36:37,458 --> 00:36:40,125 than the rest of the spots? 982 00:36:40,208 --> 00:36:43,875 It doesn't-- it doesn't really make any sense. 983 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,667 I have no explanation for it. 984 00:36:45,792 --> 00:36:48,500 And this is our first round of experimentation. 985 00:36:48,583 --> 00:36:49,667 So there's more? 986 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:51,000 Right. 987 00:36:51,125 --> 00:36:52,625 Our next step was we wanted to explore 988 00:36:52,708 --> 00:36:54,667 the Anza part to see more about that Goldie phenomenon. 989 00:36:54,708 --> 00:36:58,292 We kind of honed in on an area in Anza 990 00:36:58,375 --> 00:37:01,042 known as Thomas Mountain. 991 00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:03,375 And as soon as we were setting up to start 992 00:37:03,458 --> 00:37:05,750 our daytime investigation-- 993 00:37:05,833 --> 00:37:07,958 that looks like a privately-owned helicopter, 994 00:37:08,042 --> 00:37:09,167 but it's all blacked out. 995 00:37:09,208 --> 00:37:10,167 So check this out. 996 00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:13,000 It's a recycled tail number. 997 00:37:13,125 --> 00:37:14,458 Well, who was this? 998 00:37:14,542 --> 00:37:15,333 Right. 999 00:37:15,375 --> 00:37:16,833 We had just gotten started. 1000 00:37:16,833 --> 00:37:19,042 OK, this looks like a private helicopter. 1001 00:37:19,167 --> 00:37:21,417 It does look like a private helicopter. 1002 00:37:21,542 --> 00:37:24,500 So we were able to confirm that it had no visible markings 1003 00:37:24,542 --> 00:37:26,208 from the ground and it was quite low level, 1004 00:37:26,333 --> 00:37:28,333 but it did have a transponder code. 1005 00:37:28,458 --> 00:37:30,375 So we tracked the transponder code. 1006 00:37:30,458 --> 00:37:34,333 And what we found is that the tail number on the aircraft 1007 00:37:34,417 --> 00:37:38,792 matched a dispositioned retired fixed-wing aircraft 1008 00:37:38,875 --> 00:37:40,583 that had been demolished. 1009 00:37:40,667 --> 00:37:41,333 That's weird. 1010 00:37:41,458 --> 00:37:43,083 That is weird. - Yeah. 1011 00:37:43,167 --> 00:37:45,333 Yeah, you're talking about aircraft identity theft there. 1012 00:37:45,417 --> 00:37:47,500 When-- when you steal a car, right? 1013 00:37:47,583 --> 00:37:50,000 Or if you're gonna drive a stolen car for a getaway job, 1014 00:37:50,042 --> 00:37:51,208 right? 1015 00:37:51,292 --> 00:37:52,083 Don't you change the license plate-- 1016 00:37:52,083 --> 00:37:53,375 Change those plates. 1017 00:37:53,458 --> 00:37:55,167 --so you don't know what kind of car it is? 1018 00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:56,500 So where did it come from? 1019 00:37:56,625 --> 00:37:57,292 Yeah. 1020 00:37:57,375 --> 00:37:58,625 And then where did it go? 1021 00:37:58,708 --> 00:37:59,667 Yeah. 1022 00:37:59,792 --> 00:38:02,042 Are you guys being observed or could 1023 00:38:02,125 --> 00:38:03,167 it have been something else? 1024 00:38:03,208 --> 00:38:04,833 Right. 1025 00:38:04,917 --> 00:38:10,417 So how would somebody know that you guys were coming, 1026 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,708 going to be there, and-- 1027 00:38:12,833 --> 00:38:14,542 and-- and know when you were going 1028 00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:17,167 to be there doing your thing to fly over and collect data? 1029 00:38:17,292 --> 00:38:19,417 We have had to ask ourselves this very question 1030 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:21,500 on several occasions before, one in particular. 1031 00:38:21,583 --> 00:38:23,292 I know what you're thinking. 1032 00:38:23,375 --> 00:38:24,833 Yes, because we've had them show up within minutes-- 1033 00:38:24,875 --> 00:38:26,500 ERIK BARD: Yes. - --of doing an experiment. 1034 00:38:26,625 --> 00:38:27,417 Hear that? 1035 00:38:30,042 --> 00:38:32,958 What the hell? 1036 00:38:33,042 --> 00:38:35,792 Helicopter. 1037 00:38:35,875 --> 00:38:37,875 There is a helicopter. 1038 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,750 Is it turning? 1039 00:38:40,833 --> 00:38:42,417 And-- and how would they know we were 1040 00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:44,042 even doing it is the question. 1041 00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:45,625 Right. 1042 00:38:45,708 --> 00:38:46,875 And otherwise, nondescript helicopter with what? 1043 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,292 Should have been a retired ID number showing 1044 00:38:49,375 --> 00:38:51,125 up in the sky over you, guys. 1045 00:38:51,208 --> 00:38:52,625 That makes me wonder if you guys 1046 00:38:52,708 --> 00:38:54,542 are being followed, watched, observed, 1047 00:38:54,625 --> 00:38:56,458 or if that was coincidence. 1048 00:38:56,542 --> 00:38:58,333 It's hard to say, but we should start 1049 00:38:58,417 --> 00:39:00,042 paying more attention to that. 1050 00:39:00,125 --> 00:39:01,750 Yeah. 1051 00:39:01,833 --> 00:39:04,625 I wanna show you what happened here on our thermal camera 1052 00:39:04,708 --> 00:39:06,708 during our investigation at Thomas Mountain. 1053 00:39:06,792 --> 00:39:08,250 A few interesting things here that I 1054 00:39:08,333 --> 00:39:09,958 want to call your attention to. 1055 00:39:10,042 --> 00:39:12,708 First, the temperature right now, as you see on the thermal, 1056 00:39:12,833 --> 00:39:15,167 right-- this is paused, 66.7 degrees. 1057 00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:17,042 And that's right on the target there, yeah? 1058 00:39:17,125 --> 00:39:18,333 - Correct. - OK. 1059 00:39:18,417 --> 00:39:21,042 And then as I move forward frame by frame, 1060 00:39:21,125 --> 00:39:25,667 we have an instantaneous moment where we see this-- 1061 00:39:25,708 --> 00:39:27,542 Saturation, sort of what it looks like. 1062 00:39:27,625 --> 00:39:29,333 But only on the mountain. 1063 00:39:29,375 --> 00:39:30,542 It's not a full frame reset. 1064 00:39:30,625 --> 00:39:32,375 It's not a sensor reset. 1065 00:39:32,458 --> 00:39:35,500 And where I would expect a thermal flash to increase 1066 00:39:35,583 --> 00:39:38,667 the temperature, we get a drop. 1067 00:39:38,792 --> 00:39:41,167 This-- this makes no sense to me at all. 1068 00:39:41,208 --> 00:39:45,500 As we continue to watch what was happening in this direction, 1069 00:39:45,583 --> 00:39:47,333 we saw a second event very similar 1070 00:39:47,375 --> 00:39:48,458 just a few minutes later. 1071 00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:52,792 What? 1072 00:39:52,875 --> 00:39:54,500 You can see. 1073 00:39:54,583 --> 00:39:57,333 Once again, whatever happened happened on the mountain itself. 1074 00:39:57,417 --> 00:40:00,042 It took the temperature from 63 to 60 degrees. 1075 00:40:00,167 --> 00:40:03,000 But you didn't see anything, didn't detect anything 1076 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,667 on any other instruments. 1077 00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:07,125 This is the same flare camera you've used now for two years. 1078 00:40:07,208 --> 00:40:08,750 Yep. 1079 00:40:08,833 --> 00:40:11,083 It's been functioning ever since and up until that. 1080 00:40:11,208 --> 00:40:14,333 So that's the interesting thing is we haven't seen this before. 1081 00:40:14,417 --> 00:40:15,708 Why there? 1082 00:40:15,833 --> 00:40:18,250 It seems to be centered only on the mountain. 1083 00:40:18,333 --> 00:40:20,500 It's as if you've got a thermal flash 1084 00:40:20,583 --> 00:40:24,167 taking place on the mountain or from the mountain. 1085 00:40:24,292 --> 00:40:27,833 It's conforming to the-- to the geometry of the mountain itself. 1086 00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:29,000 It's not the full frame. 1087 00:40:29,083 --> 00:40:29,958 Yeah. 1088 00:40:30,042 --> 00:40:31,333 Yeah. 1089 00:40:31,458 --> 00:40:32,750 Almost like there was an energy build up, 1090 00:40:32,833 --> 00:40:34,167 and this is the release of it-- ERIK BARD: Yeah. 1091 00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:35,500 --coming off the mountain or something. 1092 00:40:35,667 --> 00:40:37,792 We could-- we could actually estimate 1093 00:40:37,875 --> 00:40:39,583 how much energy it would take to saturate 1094 00:40:39,667 --> 00:40:41,167 that camera from that far away. ERIK BARD: Yeah. 1095 00:40:41,292 --> 00:40:43,167 And that's a lot of light, actually. 1096 00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:45,000 That would be like, man-- 1097 00:40:45,083 --> 00:40:47,167 I mean, that would be like you had a rocket 1098 00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:48,625 going off above it right there. 1099 00:40:48,708 --> 00:40:51,250 And that's the infrared off the exhaust plume. 1100 00:40:51,375 --> 00:40:52,833 Right? 1101 00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:54,333 And you certainly would have heard or seen a rocket. 1102 00:40:54,375 --> 00:40:55,958 Needless to say. 1103 00:40:56,042 --> 00:40:57,667 And what's interesting about it is this is-- you know, 1104 00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,667 this is daylight, which corresponds with, you know, 1105 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:03,583 people who've seen this Goldie phenomenon in the daylight. 1106 00:41:03,667 --> 00:41:07,500 It may be that there are other effects that are associated 1107 00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:09,375 with it that are not visible. 1108 00:41:09,458 --> 00:41:10,792 Maybe this is one of them. 1109 00:41:10,875 --> 00:41:12,667 Roland and his daughter, when they saw this 1110 00:41:12,792 --> 00:41:14,792 occur on our thermal device in real time-- 1111 00:41:14,875 --> 00:41:16,000 SPEAKER: Yeah. 1112 00:41:16,042 --> 00:41:17,542 They were certain that we had just captured 1113 00:41:17,667 --> 00:41:18,917 the first evidence of Goldie. 1114 00:41:21,625 --> 00:41:23,875 So let's just go down that path a little bit. 1115 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,792 Let's say it's there on the mountain. 1116 00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:29,792 Or could it have been above in the sky 1117 00:41:29,875 --> 00:41:32,500 and that's the reflection of it, whatever happened in the sky? 1118 00:41:32,625 --> 00:41:34,917 So could there potentially be something up 1119 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,958 here, off camera in the sky, that you guys aren't seeing 1120 00:41:39,042 --> 00:41:40,333 that is-- 1121 00:41:40,375 --> 00:41:41,667 it did something. 1122 00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:44,083 It illuminated it for a fraction of a second 1123 00:41:44,208 --> 00:41:45,292 there, eighth of a second. 1124 00:41:45,375 --> 00:41:46,917 Given everything you've seen, it's 1125 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,375 not hard to imagine something in the sky painting the ground 1126 00:41:49,375 --> 00:41:50,750 and producing this effect. 1127 00:41:50,875 --> 00:41:52,333 But I can tell you this, though. 1128 00:41:52,375 --> 00:41:54,708 It's very intriguing because we've never 1129 00:41:54,792 --> 00:41:57,417 seen that specifically before. 1130 00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,042 So this actually warrants follow-up, I think. 1131 00:42:00,042 --> 00:42:02,417 With this technology and then some. 1132 00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:03,708 Yeah, it sounds like we've only just 1133 00:42:03,833 --> 00:42:05,917 begun to engage this location. 1134 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,000 Absolutely. 1135 00:42:07,042 --> 00:42:07,958 Good work, guys. 1136 00:42:08,042 --> 00:42:09,292 Thank you. 1137 00:42:09,375 --> 00:42:10,167 ERIK BARD: You got my wheels turning. 1138 00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:11,125 TRAVIS TAYLOR: Good stuff.