NARRATOR: Tonight, on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch.
This area here was the number four UFO hotspot in the nation.
I think you might be climbing the chart.
What is that?
So, how can a signal be all around us like that?
I mean, we'd have to be sitting on top of the origin point.
But why is it here?
This is the heart of whatever's going on.
Oh, my god.
There's the light.
It's right along the ridge now.
It's about to go behind it.
Well, it's gone.
NARRATOR: For years, scientists have
been working to reveal the secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.
But is it possible that the clues
to unlock the mystery are located
beyond the borders of this hub of high strangeness?
Wow.
NARRATOR: Now, an ex-CIA agent and a veteran journalist
have been recruited by the Skinwalker team
to go on a high stakes mission across America.
Look at all this activity that's happening.
- That's unbelievable. - That is right over our heads.
That's it. That's it right there.
NARRATOR: The goal-- uncover evidence that
may finally expose the truth.
How is this happening?
Now it's going to get interesting.
[explosion] - Look, it's moving.
Look at that.
This is just the beginning.
[theme music]
Guys, it's great to have you back at the table.
Tell us about your next destination.
It's good to be back.
And I think we've got one that is surprising to us
in a lot of ways.
And first of all, really, in just how much
it seems to be under the radar.
We want to go to a place called Anza-Borrego, which is about
50 miles outside of San Diego.
Never heard of it.
We didn't really hear of it much either.
We came across it in our research
and found out that it has a long history
of high strangeness and significant military presence.
As we started digging into this place, what we found
is it has a strong parallel with Skinwalker Ranch.
It has a history of cryptids, UFOs.
Not just government activity, but kind
of discrete or covert government activity-- black helicopters,
nuclear testing, advanced weapons testing, et cetera.
Yeah, I can't help but notice that this spot
is right in between everything.
I mean, you've got military bases,
and then you've got west of San Diego,
where the Nimitz event occurred, and where
other things have been seen even in the last couple of years.
It's just it's amazing.
It's kind of like a central nexus I've never heard of.
Anza-Borrego is, actually, it's a state park
in this region of California.
It's the biggest state park in the state.
Borrego springs is in the desert.
Anza-borrego is more up in the mountains.
So these may be two different sets of phenomena.
Got my interest.
Never heard of it.
I'm really interested, yeah.
There's a phenomenon that they call Goldie that seems to be
reported more in the Anza area.
It is some kind of aerial unidentified object
or phenomenon that happens during the daytime,
as well as during the nighttime. - What does it look like?
Well, there's a lot of different descriptions of it.
There's some people have described it
as a stationary light that appears.
Others have described it as something
that moves up and down.
One way or another, it is some kind
of optical aerial phenomenon.
That sounds really intriguing to me.
Because a lot of these stories, a lot of times,
they may be really observations of something that happened.
Whether mundane or extraterrestrial,
you know, you don't know until you go and look into it.
But it might lead you in a direction
that there might be some good data.
You've got an opportunity to start putting
some pins on the map then.
Exactly.
We know that we want to take some instrumentation,
see if we can dig deeper into what stories exist
and what we can measure about those stories
to bring back something more concrete.
We're going to be especially interested
if you get a sighting.
This is a vast area.
And I think Andy and I have sketched
out sort of our plan of attack.
We're going to start in Borrego springs,
then we're going to move up into the mountains toward Anza, where
we've gotten all these reports of this Goldie phenomenon
and try and put some data behind that, try and run that down.
So it's sort of two phases, but we've got a lot of ground
to cover. - We've got our marching orders.
It feels like we do. Ready to go.
- Good luck, fellas. - Good luck with this one.
Thanks, guys.
Keep you posted.
[ominous music]
This is a location I'm actually
really excited about because I don't
know that anybody really has an idea
of what's going on out here.
Yeah, I mean, look at this huge sweeps of desert,
mountain ranges all around.
And what we've also got is the long history
of military presence out here.
We're stepping into this investigation with friends
already on the ground.
We've got Derek Hayes and Dave Flora,
who created the documentary Shadows in the Desert,
about the Anza-Borrego area.
And they themselves have had sightings with their own eyes
during that investigation.
So not only am I hoping that we'll
be able to get their stories, their firsthand accounts,
but I'm also hoping we'll be able to tap into their network
and see where the data and the network take us.
And maybe, most important of all,
is just to help us figure out where to begin,
because this area is so vast.
NARRATOR: Andy and Paul's first stop
as they're entering Anza-Borrego is the Montezuma Valley
Overlook, which will give them a vantage
point over Borrego Springs.
Welcome to the Borrego area.
This is an amazing view.
Can you give us a sense of where we are right now?
Sure, yeah.
We're looking at Borrego Springs right now.
It's been there for a little over a hundred years.
In the distance over that ridge there is Clark Dry Lake Bed.
It's a lake bed that had a lot of military activity,
NASA activity there.
And then, of course, if you go over the mountains
here behind us, Anza is up there.
A lot of strange stuff that goes on over there.
And there's activity throughout this whole area.
The whole area, you know.
This is basically the heart of it, I would say,
what you're seeing down there.
And then it extends out from there
to encompass just a ton of phenomena
that goes on around this area.
There's Bigfoot stuff, ghost stuff,
there's all these lights that we see.
And the most prominent thing these days is the UFOs.
There's a lot of UFOs seen in this area and military presence
of some sort. - Yeah.
So a lot of these sightings seem
to correlate with the military.
You know, people will see something strange,
and suddenly a couple of helicopters
come flying by or a couple jets.
There's some sort of connection here that we
haven't yet figured out.
And we had that happen to us, too.
Everywhere we went seemed like there
was some kind of helicopter or something around in the area.
Several times, we were out in the middle of nowhere,
and suddenly these helicopters would be circling overhead.
Head down this--
Hang on.
You hear them?
Back again.
I think it's over this one.
Yeah, right there.
Right there.
Yeah, I mean, look, that's like the eighth, ninth time.
Every time we go somewhere, these things show up.
[ominous music]
There's not a lot publicly known
about the strange things that happened
here in the Anza-Borrego area.
You know, it's a funny thing about Clark's dry lake
that is nobody likes to talk about it around here.
We asked a lot of questions and everybody's
like, it's just kind of an area over there.
We don't talk about it.
We don't go there.
They had this satellite array that the University of Maryland
set up.
And they used this antenna array to conduct research
on extraterrestrial physics.
NARRATOR: In 1959, the University of Maryland
partnered with NASA to create the Clark
Lake Radio Observatory.
This included a large radio telescope
array consisting of 720 antennas lined across the dry lake bed.
In 1979, NASA and the SETI Institute,
or Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence,
use the array to search for UFOs and extraterrestrial life.
The facility was closed and dismantled
in 1986, leaving no trace.
And to add strangeness to it, a lot of the UFO
reports that we get, they seem to either originate
or be landing in that area.
I mean, it sounds like Clark Dry Lake is our place to start.
NARRATOR: The team heads 15 miles
northeast to Clark Dry Lake Bed to begin their investigation.
Wow.
Look at this.
I thought I'd been to some wide open spaces,
but this is a whole new level, wow.
This is about as wide open as you can get.
Wow.
Clark Dry Lake Bed.
Now, just imagine this 60 years ago with an antenna array
just covering this whole basin.
I can see why they picked it.
I mean, you've got this natural bowl effect here, the shielding
from the mountains.
We have such a wide area here to explore.
I would love to get some baseline
readings on this location.
Yep, sounds good.
NARRATOR: To measure the baseline,
the team will use their spectrum analyzer
to check for any anomalous radio signals.
They're specifically looking in the privileged frequency zone
reserved for Earth-to-space and space-to-Earth communication
between 1.4 and 1.8 gigahertz.
I don't know if we've ever seen it that flat.
This is showing us that there's almost no radio
energy in the area at all.
I mean, this is one of the lowest background readings we've
ever gotten, which confirms why they would pick
this as a research station.
These mountains are blocking signals from any communities,
any cities in the area.
This is one of those natural places where the Earth just
creates a quiet spot.
This is also a location where a number of sightings
have been reported, is that right?
At least going in and out of here, they've said, yeah.
- Going in and out of here? - That's what we've heard
That's what it seems like.
Yeah, we've heard a lot of reports of people seeing things
flying over this area, flying into this area,
out of this area.
So there seems like there's some sort of correlation here.
Got it.
You all had a sighting of your own somewhere in this area,
right?
Yeah, whatever it was we saw was right over this saddle
over here.
Just in the distance, just off the lake bed.
And, you know, whatever it was, it was huge.
It covered, you know, a good bit of that horizon over there.
An array of lights in a line.
Just the orange balls floating there in the sky.
By the time we got down low enough to see them again,
they were gone.
That sounds like an interesting area
to keep an eye on.
So we're going to start getting our equipment organized.
We've actually got another expert coming in,
a guy named Dave Mason, who's worked on Skinwalker Ranch.
Yeah, if something happens in the sky tonight,
we're going to make sure we do everything we can to find it.
All right, I'm excited.
[ominous music]
We've got quite the team out here tonight.
Dave and Derek, meet Dave Mason.
He's a guy who's come in from the team at Skinwalker.
And Dave, David and Derek are documentarians.
They're really familiar with this area.
They actually pointed us to this location.
NARRATOR: The team is set up at Clark
Dry Lake Bed, a retired NASA and SETI UFO research site.
They're joined by Skinwalker veteran Dave Mason, a technology
expert and inventor of devices that detect
and interact with anomalies.
OK, so I've got high resolution
flicker and then differential.
It really just gives you a lot of different ways
of looking at temperature changes
rather than just using the conventional FLIR
technology, which is very sensitive to that.
But this steps it up another notch.
NARRATOR: The differential FLIR is a modified thermal camera
that enhances minute changes in thermal energy, which can help
to identify phenomena not visible to the naked eye or
conventional thermal cameras.
The colors red, yellow, and white
represent hotter temperature changes on the camera.
Purple and dark blue show colder temperature changes.
In 2022, at Skinwalker Ranch, Dave Mason
used the differential FLIR to detect
strange hot patches between the triangle and the south field.
There's something right there.
What could be down there?
It's going to be really great to have your enhanced flare
technology here.
Well, being able to combine these, the high resolution
flare with the differential flare,
we'll be able to extract more information.
Got it.
OK, great.
NARRATOR: In addition to Dave's equipment,
Andy and Paul will be monitoring the radio spectrum
using their spectrum analyzers.
All right, Paul, I've got two spectrum analyzers running.
NARRATOR: And deploying their AI-powered UFODAP
system to surveil for UAPs.
UFODAPs are live.
NARRATOR: With all this technology in hand,
the team hopes to capture evidence
of the numerous unidentified aircraft reported
in the area, and possibly more data
to explain Derek and Dave's craft sighting in 2021.
Stand by, one second.
Paul, I've been having a hell of a time trying to get
our equipment to stay alive.
Everything is just-- is just draining away.
Yep.
Even our solid-state batteries that power this stuff,
even those are failing.
And we are actually relying on recharging them using our cars.
Yeah.
So we're just going to run stuff off the vehicles tonight.
It's the only thing we have.
If we want persistent power, if we want consistent power,
we're going to have to run it off of an external source
like a car.
Well, I think let's--
let's flip the switches and get to work.
Let's do it.
All right.
We've got power going for now. We're back in business.
That's good. - I'm ready when you are.
All right.
Let me scroll through the spectrum
just so we can get a sense of baseline here.
OK.
And we're already seeing multiple peaks here.
Right there, the line is on 1.600.
And do you see how after that point,
there's no spikes like that anymore?
SPEAKER: Yeah. Yeah.
Now what we're going to do is pull out
an antenna that you can point.
So we'll find out what direction these signals are coming from.
So we're cued right in on 1.6 gigahertz, sir.
Ready when you are.
SPEAKER: I'm sweeping clockwise.
NARRATOR: The spectrum analyzer has
detected a signal in the restricted 1.6 gigahertz zone.
Now the team will use their log periodic antenna.
By rotating the log periodic antenna 360 degrees,
it can isolate and hone in on the exact direction
a radio signal is coming from.
With this equipment, the team will attempt
to pinpoint the origin of the 1.6 gigahertz signal
at the lake bed.
SPEAKER: It's dead now.
Dead now.
OK, so I'm gonna move back from right to left,
looking out at the saddle, between the two
peaks of the saddle.
Oop, oop, oop. Look at this.
SPEAKER: Yep.
Wow.
Look at all of this energy in here, Paul.
Wow, that's right-- aimed right at the saddle,
right where you were pointing at earlier today.
Yeah, same direction where we saw those lights.
Yeah.
NARRATOR: The team has determined that a 1.6 gigahertz
signal for Earth-to-space or space-to-Earth communication
is coming from where Derek and Dave filmed their strange craft.
My gosh!
Wow.
Look at the size. SPEAKER: Looks like a heartbeat.
Exactly.
This is in an area where there was no radio energy earlier.
Like, we were out here.
It was a flat line spectrum.
Look at this, Paul.
Look at how intense this is.
Whoa!
That's the brightest change in differential
we've had all night, David. - Look at that.
That's crazy.
This strip of mountain is now increasing in temperature.
NARRATOR: This thermal anomaly that
stretches across the same area where the team located
a 1.6 gigahertz signal is now the second piece of technology
that shows strange data where Derek
and Dave filmed a possible UAP.
It's really important to understand that the differential
flare is actually showing us changes in temperature,
not just static temperature.
So we are literally watching the temperature
in the mesa increase over time while we're sitting here.
That's something we've never seen before,
and that's something I have no way of explaining.
I actually saw this happen at Skinwalker Ranch.
We saw thermal anomalies that we could not explain.
SPEAKER: Erik, it's heating up on top of the mesa.
Are you kidding me?
SPEAKER: You should see this.
This is fascinating.
Right there, that's where the stone circle is.
Look how hot it's getting.
I-- I don't know how to explain it.
I don't know what would cause that.
I don't know either.
That's crazy.
Whoa!
Everything just died.
Car just died, too?
Yeah.
Car just turned itself off?
The car just shut down?
I'm not sure what's going on.
It just cut off.
What could explain that?
I guess it's part of the phenomenon.
We're just getting these weird, like, cascading
failures out here.
Yeah.
We're having mechanical and energy
failures here left and right.
But the temperature is comfortable.
The equipment has all been fully charged.
Everything was tested before we brought it out.
And yet still, we're seeing this incredible drain of power.
There we go.
I gotta go and individually power these guys up.
All right.
It's powering back up.
What is that light?
Derek, David, what is that?
We're just getting these weird, like, cascading
failures out here.
What is that light?
NARRATOR: The team is at Clark Dry
Lake bed, a spot once monitored by NASA for UFO activity.
Right after losing power to all of their equipment,
they've spotted some type of orb low to the ground.
Let me get it on Sionyx.
If it's headlights or otherwise, it's in the middle
of an open desert.
SPEAKER: So there's no road.
SPEAKER: There's no road at all.
Here, take a look for yourself.
There's nothing out there for it to be driving on.
And there's no heat source coming from it either.
I mean, if it is, it's not that much hotter
than whatever's around it.
Strange.
I don't understand why there would be a vehicle at all.
Unless they drove over open desert.
And it's-- it's pretty muddy. SPEAKER: It's muddy.
Yeah.
SPEAKER: Dangerous to be out that far.
SPEAKER: Not smart.
They'd have to come from the other side of the valley
because they didn't pass us.
SPEAKER: We would have spotted somebody.
SPEAKER: It just faded out. - It's gone.
I don't see it at all right now.
SPEAKER: Yeah, it's gone.
That was-- that was weird.
Whoa.
Wow.
It's right along the ridge now.
Now it's in a bit of a saddle.
I see it.
And this is the sort of thing that we've
had reported multiple times, these glowing orbs that
almost look like fireballs.
It's about to go behind it.
It's gone.
Well, that was strange.
That felt like we were being watched.
- All desert out there. - Yeah.
No, there's nothing out there.
There's something going on out here,
and I do not know what it is.
We get some kind of strange lights low on the horizon.
And at the same time, we've got some kind of orb.
You know, it seems to be traversing the ridge above us.
I don't know what connects these things.
Are we being observed?
Are we being monitored?
Are we triggering these things?
This is just weird.
This is nothing like-- nothing we've ever seen before.
I don't know what to make of it,
but I can't wait to show it to Travis and Erik.
Absolutely.
On the differential cameras, this
matches what they've seen on Skinwalker Ranch,
and then the radio signal coming from exactly
where Dave and Derek captured the strange lights.
And then we also had the orb sighting.
Yeah.
I mean, there's just-- there's a lot going on out here.
I see why you guys made a documentary about this.
Exactly.
NARRATOR: The next day, the team meets up in Borrego Springs
to review the findings from last night's investigation.
David, I'm really excited to see what you were able to pull
from your records last night in Clark Dry Lake bed,
an area that we went to because you told us there
were strange things there.
I'm very excited too, because this differential FLIR
technology is not commercially available,
and we picked up anomalies that were not detected
on the conventional FLIR.
I'd like to show you what we have.
Yeah, please.
So what we have is--
this is sped up 10 times.
We have these stringed objects coming through.
This was not detected on the conventional FLIR,
just on the differential flare.
Now, hold on one second.
Can you pause for just a second?
Sure.
Look at that.
Have you seen this kind of activity in the sky
before with these in Skinwalker Ranch?
Not that particular activity.
We certainly saw anomalies on the mesa.
You know, around the mesa at Skinwalker.
You have not seen anything in the sky like this.
Not quite like that. No.
So this is something completely new.
Yeah.
I wasn't expecting to see this.
Just to reiterate, what we're seeing here
is changes in temperature, right?
Yeah, just a change in temperature, but not an
actual readback of temperature.
So if it's a brighter color, it is a warmer temperature
relative to background.
What do you think this might be?
What can you plausibly explain this as?
If they were detected in the conventional flare, I--
I would presume it would be high-altitude aircraft.
But because it wasn't detected, I--
I can't explain it.
We have other phenomenon.
This is the differential flare again.
This is the top of the mesa right here.
And we start to see objects--
SPEAKER: Wow.
SPEAKER: Whoa.
Whoa.
DAVID MASON: --just getting detected.
There's two of them side by side.
ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Totally in sync.
Look at that.
SPEAKER: It's wild.
SPEAKER: Yeah, wild is exactly what it is.
And we have another object.
This was also not detected with the conventional flare.
It'll come right on this corner, very top right.
SPEAKER: Oh, hello.
SPEAKER: Wow.
What is that?
Look at that.
I mean, the fact that we have seen now
multiple sets of objects flying through the sky captured
on differential flare that we were just totally
blind to with our naked eyes, and blind to
with the conventional flare, too.
Right.
That's the really puzzling thing is it wasn't
detected with the conventional.
So we have something happening that cannot be explained.
How does this feel to the two of you?
You guys did the research, filmed, and recorded,
and you're airing a documentary about the strangeness
in this region.
It's validation for sure.
I mean, we've heard so many reports
about this kind of thing.
And it's great to finally, you know, lay eyes on it.
I've definitely seen something I was not expecting.
I was anticipating we would get something of interest,
but not this.
This has really been a bonus.
Well, this is an incredible start to this investigation.
You know who you ought to talk to is
someone we had on the film, Roland Vellanoweth up in Anza.
He knows that place like the back of his hand.
He's seen stuff.
He'd be somebody you'd want to talk to.
Yeah. Thanks, guys.
That's a great lead. - Yeah.
Appreciate it.
Of course.
NARRATOR: After finishing their investigation at Clark Dry Lake
bed in Borrego Springs, the team is now
moving 30 miles Northwest to the Thomas Mountain
overlook next to the town of Anza
to investigate a legendary light phenomenon
frequently cited by the locals that they call Goldie.
Since most of the Goldie sightings
happened during the day, the team is conducting
a daytime investigation.
They're joining longtime resident and leader of the Anza
Paranormal Group, Roland Vellanoweth,
and his daughter, Lauren Hohnbaum at Thomas Mountain.
We are actually in the most common
spot for sighting things out here,
the lookout on Thomas Mountain.
Yeah.
Most of the lights that I've seen have been over there.
Really?
Interesting.
There's usually three orbs that will pop up half the time.
And one, maybe two, would find themselves over Thomas.
And then eventually, they would all be over here.
And then they'll just disappear.
ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: It's really interesting.
LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Yeah, that was Goldie.
All of that happened right here, just off.
LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Yeah. ROLAND VELLANOWETH: Right.
Right here.
Perfect viewpoint.
Well, we've got our kit set up.
We've got thermal cameras.
That's what you see here with the colors.
This is the overall ambient temperature.
And then here's the temperature focused on Thomas Mountain.
OK.
These black and white images you see are tied
to our AI-powered UFODAPs that are always watching the sky,
recording everything they see, and running it against
the database to determine whether or not it's known
or potentially unknown.
Got it.
And these are spectrum analyzers.
They're looking at the radio spectrum.
Let's go ahead and hit record on everything.
You hear that?
ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Can you zoom in?
Is that a black helicopter?
NARRATOR: As the team finishes setting up their equipment,
Andy notices something overhead.
ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: That looks like
a privately-owned helicopter, but it's all blacked out.
I'd like to say it's unusual, but
a lot of people in the valley have seen these multiple times.
So that would be unlisted.
Do we have an FAA tracker?
Yeah, we do.
And there's our helicopter.
Let's see what its transponder code is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it is registered.
505 AJ.
Yeah.
No destination available.
Private owner.
PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.
Bell 505 Jet Ranger X. So check this out.
It's a recycled tail number.
Oh, interesting.
So the original tail number was listed to a aircraft
that was taken out of service.
Usually, what you want to do is take a tail number, especially
from a passenger jet, and then move
it to another passenger jet.
But to move it to helicopter is interesting.
It's a completely different airframe.
PAUL BEBAN: Yeah.
Roland, you were saying that you've also seen privately-owned
aircraft that not necessarily attributed
to military or police.
And they're not all this well-marked.
I'm not the only one, actually.
A lot of people have reported blacked out
helicopters during events that are going on.
PAUL BEBAN: What do you mean during events?
Well, during, like, when they see Goldie around.
My youngest daughter, she was driving and was
being followed by helicopters. - Like it was tracking it?
Exactly.
I wouldn't be surprised if they know we're here.
I was going to say, a helicopter
tracking your daughter after she sees something,
and we are here literally to see something.
We're not trying to hide either.
We couldn't be more obvious.
We're just out here in the wide open.
NARRATOR: Now that the helicopter is gone,
the team begins their investigation at the Thomas
Mountain overlook.
For this experiment, they will be surveying the area
around Thomas Mountain, hoping to capture
any evidence of the strange phenomenon
that the locals call Goldie.
All right.
We're recording.
All right.
We've got motion on both of our spectrum analyzers,
and we already have some interesting activity here, too.
Look at this, Paul.
Whoa.
Right out of the gate.
Yeah.
I'm going to do a zoom out here to look at a broader spectrum.
LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Oh, wow.
PAUL BEBAN: Whoa.
As soon as we dialed in 1.56 gigahertz.
Now watch this.
LAUREN HOHNBAUM: No way.
1.55 gigahertz.
We change 0.01 gigahertz, and that's the signal that we see.
PAUL BEBAN: It's a really complex signal.
Are we even in a frequency range
that anyone would commonly use?
No, that's a great point, because the frequency range that
we're in right now, it's reserved
for Earth-to-space and space-to-Earth communications.
The federal law prevents anybody without
a federal license from being able to transmit
at this frequency. - I see.
Interesting. OK.
So what I think I'd like to do, Paul, is let's do a 360
from our log periodic antenna.
Yeah.
NARRATOR: After detecting an anomalous radio signal
on the privileged 1.56 gigahertz frequency,
the team is now going to use their directional antenna to do
a 360 degree scan of the area to see if they can
pinpoint the exact location where the signal is
transmitting from.
All right.
Let's see how this changes with some direction.
We're going to go counterclockwise.
All right.
Strong, solid line here.
Steady.
So we've got a rising overall temperature here.
LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Whoa.
This keeps going up.
Yeah, look at that. Look at that.
Whoa.
Wow.
Whoa!
What was that?
That's crazy, man.
All right.
Let's see how this changes with some direction.
We're going to go counterclockwise.
All right.
NARRATOR: Andy and Paul are on Thomas Mountain in Anza,
where they've detected an anomalous radio
frequency at 1.56 gigahertz.
While attempting to pinpoint the signal using
a directional antenna, they've captured
a completely different anomaly on their FLIR thermal camera.
So we've got a rising overall temperature here.
Look at that.
Whoa.
Wow.
It keeps going up.
Whoa! LAUREN HOHNBAUM: What was that?
Did you see that?
PAUL BEBAN: Whoa.
ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Wow.
LAUREN HOHNBAUM: That's Thomas Mountain for you.
Everything dropped about 4 degrees.
LAUREN HOHNBAUM: It went from 71.1 down to 66, and it flashed.
And we're already back to 69 degrees.
So-- so something rapidly cool the environment.
And then the ambient air came back in and brought
the temperature back up again.
So I want to make sure that we finish the full sweep.
So can you finish the full sweep, if you don't
mind keeping an eye on this?
Thank you very much.
She's been watching that like a hawk.
Gotta brought in my attention.
All right, let's take a look.
I'll go clockwise this time.
Come back around.
NARRATOR: As the team rotates the directional antenna
to try to locate the source of the 1.56 gigahertz signal--
ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: It's strong this whole time.
PAUL BEBAN: Yeah, it's not changing at all.
NARRATOR: --they're discovering that the signal
is the same in every direction the antenna points toward.
I would expect it to drop off by now.
We have something completely consistent.
Wow.
You've gone almost 2/3 of the way through a circle.
It hasn't changed.
This thing is holding steady.
That's as consistent and stable as we've seen.
Whatever frequencies we're coming
across are strong and stable.
OK.
So how can a signal be all around us like that?
How can a signal be all around us?
Yeah.
I mean, we'd have to be sitting on top of the origin point.
Or the receiver.
Right.
Or the receiver.
Yeah.
We are either on the point that is creating this frequency
or we are on the point that is receiving this frequency.
Yeah.
But why is it here?
This is the heart of whatever's going on in the area.
The radio energy here on Thomas Mountain is off the charts.
We're seeing it happen from all around us.
So this area is either a transmitter or a receiver
of some sort of strange signal that's
reaching to and from space.
There it is.
There it is again.
Wow.
And the temperature dropped again once it flashed.
We just had a second flash that
occurred almost exactly like the first flash earlier today.
So we for sure are going to want to review
both of those instances to see how
they're similar to each other.
All right.
So I think our first recorded flash happened
right around 46 minutes.
This is real time.
That was it. LAUREN HOHNBAUM: That's Goldie.
ROLAND VELLANOWETH: Well, you're definitely in the sweet spot
where Goldie usually comes up.
ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: There it is right there.
PAUL BEBAN: Yep.
- Yeah, just the mountain. - Right.
Yeah.
You would expect the whole screen to have a flash.
ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Right. - It's only on the mountain.
Yeah.
There is some sort of surge of energy here.
The first thing to ask is whether it's thermal,
but we don't know for sure.
It's really bizarre.
So this was our first instance.
Let's take a look at our second one.
LAUREN HOHNBAUM: There it goes. ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Once again.
ROLAND VELLANOWETH: Once again, right at the flash.
LAUREN HOHNBAUM: Just the mountain.
Yeah, just the mountain.
And it's repeatable.
I don't get it, man.
We're not provoking anything.
We're not triggering something.
We're not sending anything out there.
We're just passively observing.
And here's the thing.
We use these everywhere, and we've never
seen this effect anyplace else.
This is unique.
ROLAND VELLANOWETH: Never a flash like this?
- Not like this. - Really?
PAUL BEBAN: Nothing like this.
We may have captured the Goldie
phenomenon at Thomas Mountain.
Right.
I mean, we have multiple really interesting,
demonstrable data-driven anomalies that we've seen
now here at Thomas Mountain.
And our investigation kicked off with an uninvited guest
flying overhead-- directly overhead.
Right.
In a helicopter that's registered
to a retired passenger aircraft's number.
I mean, that was just--
Weird.
Wild.
There's so many things that we have seen here today
that we have never seen on any of our other investigations.
This place is completely unique.
Thanks for proving that we're not
crazy up here on this mountain.
It was well worth it.
Yeah.
I know you have a group of 400-some people.
Yes.
What they're seeing is real.
You know, when I first moved here some many years ago,
just a few years after I got here,
I read an article that said that this area
here, much to my surprise, was the number
four UFO hotspot in the nation.
And I guess it's proven itself at least worthy of the title.
I think you might be climbing the chart.
- Yeah. - Climbing the chart.
After this?
Absolutely.
Well, guys, the last time we were at this table,
you told us about a place with a strange name and a strange story
to tell.
I'm interested in what happened.
That's a great way to put it.
We brought back some-- some pretty fascinating stuff,
I think. - Yeah, absolutely.
So we started this investigation by going right to ground zero,
Clark Dry Lake bed, an area that SETI
had invested in in the past.
The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.
And that-- that was actually where we found out
the original documentarians, Dave and Derek, had their sight
and that they documented on camera.
And I actually have that teed up for you here.
Oh, OK.
There's no infrastructure back there.
And this was a unique sighting for these two gentlemen in all
of their research in the area.
Is this some kind of natural optical phenomenon
or is this actually something?
You know, you mentioned the UAP activity.
They can't explain it.
And it fits into a larger profile of strange sightings
in the area.
So we went right into Clark Dry Lake bed,
and that's where we invited Dave Mason to come out.
We set up all of our passive collection equipment.
The next day, Dave came with a full analysis
of what he captured on the differential flares.
We have these stringed objects coming through.
This was not detected on the conventional FLIR,
just on the differential flare.
What are we seeing there?
Exactly.
You know how these things work.
Yes.
A differential FLIR.
That thing, it's really good at detecting very, very
small changes in temperature.
That means they're leaving a heat
signature that is inconsistent.
It is a changing heat signature, which is the only reason
this camera picks it up.
And I wish that I had any kind of explanation
for what would cause two parallel masses
in the sky being detected by a differential FLIR.
ERIK BARD: What are we seeing here?
I mean, it looks like the--
They're in tandem with each other.
The relationship between these things is fixed.
Well, as in the video that Derek and Dave showed you,
right?
Because that had a row of lights with a row of lights.
And they were connected, it looked like.
Good point.
And you would have mentioned it by now if you heard the sound
of a pair of jets moving over.
ANDREW BUSTAMANTE: Yeah.
Right, right, right.
You know this isn't airplanes.
What is it?
Where is it coming from?
Why are there two little spots in the clouds that's warmer
than the rest of the spots?
It doesn't-- it doesn't really make any sense.
I have no explanation for it.
And this is our first round of experimentation.
So there's more?
Right.
Our next step was we wanted to explore
the Anza part to see more about that Goldie phenomenon.
We kind of honed in on an area in Anza
known as Thomas Mountain.
And as soon as we were setting up to start
our daytime investigation--
that looks like a privately-owned helicopter,
but it's all blacked out.
So check this out.
It's a recycled tail number.
Well, who was this?
Right.
We had just gotten started.
OK, this looks like a private helicopter.
It does look like a private helicopter.
So we were able to confirm that it had no visible markings
from the ground and it was quite low level,
but it did have a transponder code.
So we tracked the transponder code.
And what we found is that the tail number on the aircraft
matched a dispositioned retired fixed-wing aircraft
that had been demolished.
That's weird.
That is weird. - Yeah.
Yeah, you're talking about aircraft identity theft there.
When-- when you steal a car, right?
Or if you're gonna drive a stolen car for a getaway job,
right?
Don't you change the license plate--
Change those plates.
--so you don't know what kind of car it is?
So where did it come from?
Yeah.
And then where did it go?
Yeah.
Are you guys being observed or could
it have been something else?
Right.
So how would somebody know that you guys were coming,
going to be there, and--
and-- and know when you were going
to be there doing your thing to fly over and collect data?
We have had to ask ourselves this very question
on several occasions before, one in particular.
I know what you're thinking.
Yes, because we've had them show up within minutes--
ERIK BARD: Yes. - --of doing an experiment.
Hear that?
What the hell?
Helicopter.
There is a helicopter.
Is it turning?
And-- and how would they know we were
even doing it is the question.
Right.
And otherwise, nondescript helicopter with what?
Should have been a retired ID number showing
up in the sky over you, guys.
That makes me wonder if you guys
are being followed, watched, observed,
or if that was coincidence.
It's hard to say, but we should start
paying more attention to that.
Yeah.
I wanna show you what happened here on our thermal camera
during our investigation at Thomas Mountain.
A few interesting things here that I
want to call your attention to.
First, the temperature right now, as you see on the thermal,
right-- this is paused, 66.7 degrees.
And that's right on the target there, yeah?
- Correct. - OK.
And then as I move forward frame by frame,
we have an instantaneous moment where we see this--
Saturation, sort of what it looks like.
But only on the mountain.
It's not a full frame reset.
It's not a sensor reset.
And where I would expect a thermal flash to increase
the temperature, we get a drop.
This-- this makes no sense to me at all.
As we continue to watch what was happening in this direction,
we saw a second event very similar
just a few minutes later.
What?
You can see.
Once again, whatever happened happened on the mountain itself.
It took the temperature from 63 to 60 degrees.
But you didn't see anything, didn't detect anything
on any other instruments.
This is the same flare camera you've used now for two years.
Yep.
It's been functioning ever since and up until that.
So that's the interesting thing is we haven't seen this before.
Why there?
It seems to be centered only on the mountain.
It's as if you've got a thermal flash
taking place on the mountain or from the mountain.
It's conforming to the-- to the geometry of the mountain itself.
It's not the full frame.
Yeah.
Almost like there was an energy build up,
and this is the release of it-- ERIK BARD: Yeah.
--coming off the mountain or something.
We could-- we could actually estimate
how much energy it would take to saturate
that camera from that far away. ERIK BARD: Yeah.
And that's a lot of light, actually.
That would be like, man--
I mean, that would be like you had a rocket
going off above it right there.
And that's the infrared off the exhaust plume.
Right?
And you certainly would have heard or seen a rocket.
Needless to say.
And what's interesting about it is this is-- you know,
this is daylight, which corresponds with, you know,
people who've seen this Goldie phenomenon in the daylight.
It may be that there are other effects that are associated
with it that are not visible.
Maybe this is one of them.
Roland and his daughter, when they saw this
occur on our thermal device in real time--
SPEAKER: Yeah.
They were certain that we had just captured
the first evidence of Goldie.
So let's just go down that path a little bit.
Let's say it's there on the mountain.
Or could it have been above in the sky
and that's the reflection of it, whatever happened in the sky?
So could there potentially be something up
here, off camera in the sky, that you guys aren't seeing
that is--
it did something.
It illuminated it for a fraction of a second
there, eighth of a second.
Given everything you've seen, it's
not hard to imagine something in the sky painting the ground
and producing this effect.
But I can tell you this, though.
It's very intriguing because we've never
seen that specifically before.
So this actually warrants follow-up, I think.
With this technology and then some.
Yeah, it sounds like we've only just
begun to engage this location.
Absolutely.
Good work, guys.
Thank you.
ERIK BARD: You got my wheels turning.
TRAVIS TAYLOR: Good stuff.