1 00:00:07,900 --> 00:00:11,166 [Natalia] Everybody in that apartment complex was just like, 2 00:00:11,233 --> 00:00:14,166 "Yeah, you can't be here anymore," 3 00:00:14,166 --> 00:00:16,667 so I left. 4 00:00:16,667 --> 00:00:20,667 The truth is that everywhere that I would go... 5 00:00:20,734 --> 00:00:23,667 neighbors who knew me saw what was going on, 6 00:00:23,667 --> 00:00:27,467 but... nobody said anything, 7 00:00:27,467 --> 00:00:30,867 especially when I was living with the Barnetts. 8 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:33,734 Why? I don't know. 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,934 I wanna know the answers to these questions. 10 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:43,533 I was a little girl. I was seven years old. 11 00:00:53,266 --> 00:00:55,066 [softly] Oh, my gosh! 12 00:01:07,266 --> 00:01:09,266 [panting] 13 00:01:18,467 --> 00:01:19,967 Oh! 14 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,233 [whispering] I'm just looking at the house. 15 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:32,634 It's just like everything is coming back. 16 00:01:33,567 --> 00:01:35,467 Yeah. 17 00:01:35,467 --> 00:01:38,767 [Natalia] Like, I'm just like, my brain is everywhere right now. 18 00:01:38,834 --> 00:01:41,066 -Yeah? -[Natalia] And... 19 00:01:43,066 --> 00:01:44,266 Like, just looking at the house, 20 00:01:44,266 --> 00:01:45,867 like, it just reminds me when Kristine 21 00:01:45,867 --> 00:01:47,734 had me walk all the way around the block... 22 00:01:48,166 --> 00:01:49,734 -Hmm. -...with no shoes. 23 00:01:50,567 --> 00:01:52,066 And my feet were bleeding 24 00:01:52,066 --> 00:01:53,934 by the time I got to the steps. 25 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,367 Wow. 26 00:01:56,367 --> 00:01:58,967 [Natalia] And she... she was mad about it. 27 00:01:59,033 --> 00:02:02,467 I couldn't even go in the house. Like, she had to clean my feet outside. 28 00:02:02,533 --> 00:02:04,967 But she used this brush... 29 00:02:06,166 --> 00:02:08,967 And it hurt. And I told her it did, 30 00:02:09,033 --> 00:02:10,834 but she didn't listen to me. 31 00:02:12,166 --> 00:02:14,867 There's just... there's just so much... 32 00:02:14,867 --> 00:02:16,467 my brain is like everywhere. 33 00:02:16,533 --> 00:02:18,266 It's, like, replaying everything 34 00:02:18,266 --> 00:02:19,634 over and over again. 35 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,367 Well... 36 00:02:22,367 --> 00:02:25,133 I'm sorry about those experiences. 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,367 [Natalia sobbing] 38 00:02:32,667 --> 00:02:34,266 [Antwon] But it's gonna be all right. 39 00:02:34,266 --> 00:02:35,533 -It's gonna be all right. -[sniffles] 40 00:02:42,967 --> 00:02:44,634 [whimpering] 41 00:02:50,467 --> 00:02:52,367 Even, like, just looking at the front of the house, 42 00:02:52,433 --> 00:02:54,467 I just remembered what happened in there. 43 00:02:58,967 --> 00:03:00,433 [sobbing] 44 00:03:03,667 --> 00:03:06,233 It literally feels like a haunted house. 45 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,133 I'm blessed to even be alive. 46 00:03:11,667 --> 00:03:14,767 The time that Kristine made me walk all the way around that block. 47 00:03:14,767 --> 00:03:20,066 She wouldn't even let me get my shoes. [sniffles] 48 00:03:20,133 --> 00:03:24,266 Neighbors were driving by and nobody stopped and said anything. 49 00:03:24,333 --> 00:03:26,433 And nobody even tried to help me. 50 00:03:47,066 --> 00:03:49,066 From Natalia's perspective, 51 00:03:49,133 --> 00:03:51,166 the abuse was, you know, like, in the open. 52 00:03:51,166 --> 00:03:55,233 And, you know, nobody in the neighborhood came to assist her. 53 00:03:57,367 --> 00:03:59,767 [Natalia] When I was with the Barnetts, 54 00:03:59,767 --> 00:04:01,767 I wanted to tell the neighbors 55 00:04:01,834 --> 00:04:03,367 everything that happened to me, 56 00:04:03,433 --> 00:04:06,767 but they knew Kristine and Michael really well. 57 00:04:06,834 --> 00:04:09,367 Like, they were really good friends, I guess. 58 00:04:09,433 --> 00:04:12,767 And... they wouldn't have believed me. 59 00:04:12,767 --> 00:04:15,867 They would've just thought I was just making up a story. 60 00:04:15,867 --> 00:04:19,033 So it was just like I didn't know what else to do. 61 00:04:19,967 --> 00:04:21,333 And... 62 00:04:22,367 --> 00:04:23,667 I was scared. 63 00:04:23,667 --> 00:04:26,567 I was scared if I did say something what would Kristine do. 64 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,367 Gracie was like my best friend. 65 00:04:31,367 --> 00:04:32,967 Natalia came to our house a lot 66 00:04:32,967 --> 00:04:34,467 to play with my daughter, Grace. 67 00:04:34,533 --> 00:04:36,567 For a long time, I thought they were, 68 00:04:36,567 --> 00:04:38,333 like, connected at the hip, and then... 69 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:40,967 Kristine, she just... 70 00:04:41,033 --> 00:04:42,767 said that Natalia was trying to kill her 71 00:04:42,834 --> 00:04:46,367 and... I... went to Grace 72 00:04:46,367 --> 00:04:50,100 and said, "You know what, we need to find some new friends to play with." 73 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,767 'Cause I didn't want to have anything to do with that little girl. 74 00:04:52,767 --> 00:04:55,166 If she was trying to kill Kristine, my friend, 75 00:04:55,166 --> 00:04:57,266 she wasn't welcome in our house. 76 00:04:57,266 --> 00:04:59,667 I don't want her try killing my daughter or me. 77 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,100 [Natalia] Gracie's parents, they were so nice. 78 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:06,533 But with everything that Kristine said about me, 79 00:05:07,367 --> 00:05:09,166 it changed their minds. 80 00:05:09,166 --> 00:05:11,634 I couldn't even see Gracie anymore. 81 00:05:12,567 --> 00:05:14,467 Nobody stood up for me. 82 00:05:14,467 --> 00:05:16,533 I wanna find out why. 83 00:05:26,367 --> 00:05:28,467 -[Natalia chuckles] Hi. -Hi. 84 00:05:28,467 --> 00:05:30,867 -How are you? -I'm all right. 85 00:05:30,867 --> 00:05:32,166 [Rachel] Good. 86 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:34,567 -I don't know if you remember me. -I do. 87 00:05:34,567 --> 00:05:36,000 -[Rachel] Okay. Good. -[both chuckle] 88 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,667 -You look so good. All pretty. -[Natalia] Thank you. 89 00:05:39,667 --> 00:05:42,166 -[Rachel] Aw! Wanna sit down? -Sure. 90 00:05:42,166 --> 00:05:44,266 -[Rachel] All right. You all right? -Yeah, I'm okay. 91 00:05:44,266 --> 00:05:47,467 -[Rachel] Okay. -[Natalia] I'm just... I'm gonna leave that right here. 92 00:05:47,533 --> 00:05:49,367 [Rachel] Okay. Yeah, that's perfect. 93 00:05:49,433 --> 00:05:51,867 -Do you remember coming over here and playing and stuff? -I do. 94 00:05:51,867 --> 00:05:52,867 -You do? -Yes. 95 00:05:52,867 --> 00:05:54,467 We had lots of fun. 96 00:05:54,467 --> 00:05:55,867 We really did. 97 00:05:55,934 --> 00:05:58,100 -We went in our playroom and when we... -Yeah. 98 00:05:58,100 --> 00:06:01,567 ...played down here and colored and did all that kind of stuff. 99 00:06:01,634 --> 00:06:04,266 -Feels like forever ago. -I know. It really was. 100 00:06:04,333 --> 00:06:06,467 But yeah, I mean, it's been a while. 101 00:06:06,467 --> 00:06:08,767 So it's like hard for me to remember what we've done, 102 00:06:08,834 --> 00:06:12,266 -but we did a lot of stuff together. -I know. Yeah. 103 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,133 What exactly did Kristine tell you when she came here? 104 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:25,100 So she came over, 105 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:27,967 and she was crying when she told me this stuff. 106 00:06:27,967 --> 00:06:29,667 So she was like, 107 00:06:29,734 --> 00:06:34,567 "Um, Natalia was putting thumbtacks on the steps, 108 00:06:34,567 --> 00:06:37,166 so when we walk up the steps, we would step on them." 109 00:06:37,166 --> 00:06:39,567 And I was like, "Okay." And she said, 110 00:06:39,634 --> 00:06:42,266 "Um, hiding knifes in the mattress." I'm like, 111 00:06:42,767 --> 00:06:44,166 "Okay." 112 00:06:44,166 --> 00:06:46,066 And, like, that's what scared me. 113 00:06:46,066 --> 00:06:50,066 And I just sat here in such shock. 114 00:06:50,767 --> 00:06:52,867 So I was like, "What?" 115 00:06:57,700 --> 00:06:59,767 There's so many things that the Barnetts have said 116 00:06:59,834 --> 00:07:02,367 that they've tried to paint me as some crazy person. 117 00:07:02,433 --> 00:07:05,967 And literally I'm a... I'm a kid wanting to play with other kids 118 00:07:05,967 --> 00:07:08,667 and everybody is looking at me as a 22-year-old. 119 00:07:08,667 --> 00:07:11,000 So they're all creeped out... 120 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,734 and thinking I'm trying to be a pedophile to a kid. 121 00:07:14,867 --> 00:07:17,100 I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye to Gracie. 122 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:19,567 I... it was just like a... like... 123 00:07:19,567 --> 00:07:22,433 scissors going through a piece of paper. It was just cut off. 124 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,867 I didn't know why. 125 00:07:25,934 --> 00:07:27,967 All I knew was I missed my best friend. 126 00:07:27,967 --> 00:07:29,667 I was a kid. 127 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,967 And you didn't think twice about it, 128 00:07:33,967 --> 00:07:36,967 didn't think twice about, you know, the fact like, 129 00:07:37,033 --> 00:07:40,266 "But she looks like a little girl, how are they saying she's an adult?" 130 00:07:40,266 --> 00:07:42,233 You just took their word for it. 131 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,166 Nobody investigated. 132 00:07:45,166 --> 00:07:47,767 Why didn't you ask about... did you ask? 133 00:07:47,834 --> 00:07:50,934 No, I asked them. I didn't ask you. 134 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:53,867 Why didn't you come to me? 135 00:07:53,934 --> 00:07:56,367 -I should have. -Like, why... 136 00:07:56,367 --> 00:07:59,000 You... I was around all the time, you said that 137 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,266 you didn't see anything. 138 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:05,166 So why was that so easy to believe? 139 00:08:07,667 --> 00:08:11,133 I... I didn't wanna believe any of it... 140 00:08:12,367 --> 00:08:14,066 but I felt... 141 00:08:14,066 --> 00:08:17,467 like she pushed me to believe it. 142 00:08:18,266 --> 00:08:20,233 That's what she did with a lot of people. 143 00:08:21,166 --> 00:08:23,834 I mean, they are good talkers. 144 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:27,867 -Trust me, I feel terrible. -Nobody ever asked me. 145 00:08:27,934 --> 00:08:29,367 Nobody ever thought, 146 00:08:29,367 --> 00:08:32,667 "Hey, like, maybe we should get both sides of the story." 147 00:08:32,734 --> 00:08:35,266 Everybody just went with what Kristine and Michael said. 148 00:08:35,333 --> 00:08:37,266 And the fact is that they... [inhales] 149 00:08:38,867 --> 00:08:40,367 [sighs wearily] 150 00:08:43,467 --> 00:08:45,667 The fact is... 151 00:08:45,667 --> 00:08:48,066 when I got into my apartment in Westfield, 152 00:08:48,066 --> 00:08:50,033 I was on this medicine. 153 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,734 And... 154 00:08:55,367 --> 00:08:58,133 she'd pretty much overdosed me. 155 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,667 -[Rachel stuttering] I-- -Did I ever try to hurt Gracie? 156 00:09:08,667 --> 00:09:11,066 -Did I ever try to do anything? [sniffles] -No. 157 00:09:11,133 --> 00:09:13,166 And I... I explained that to them. 158 00:09:13,233 --> 00:09:15,467 I said this was all so hard to believe 159 00:09:15,467 --> 00:09:16,967 because you were always so-- 160 00:09:17,033 --> 00:09:19,133 Why did you believe it though? 161 00:09:22,367 --> 00:09:24,333 -Do I look like a murderer to you? -[Rachel] No. 162 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,567 Honey, if I knew what was really going on. 163 00:09:27,634 --> 00:09:30,634 I... I should've asked, I would've snatched you up in a heartbeat. 164 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:32,834 Why didn't you? 165 00:09:34,166 --> 00:09:35,767 I'm not gonna lie. 166 00:09:35,767 --> 00:09:38,667 I think I was kind of scared of her... 167 00:09:43,767 --> 00:09:45,166 and what she could do. 168 00:09:46,767 --> 00:09:48,967 Did you ever think of what she was doing to me? 169 00:09:49,567 --> 00:09:51,634 Unfortunately, no. 170 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:57,033 I'm very ashamed... of it. 171 00:09:58,500 --> 00:09:59,867 I mean, I am. I... 172 00:09:59,867 --> 00:10:03,233 -I had no reason not to believe her. -[sniffles] 173 00:10:03,967 --> 00:10:06,567 Like, she... she manipulated me. 174 00:10:06,567 --> 00:10:09,567 -I mean, I-- -She manipulated everybody. 175 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:12,266 I mean, I'm angry as well, trust me. 176 00:10:12,333 --> 00:10:14,266 Like, seeing... 177 00:10:14,266 --> 00:10:16,567 all of this and you and hearing this, like... I... 178 00:10:16,567 --> 00:10:19,467 I mean, she's a horrible, horrible human being. 179 00:10:19,467 --> 00:10:21,767 Hands down. 180 00:10:22,667 --> 00:10:23,934 Hands down. 181 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:29,934 [Natalia] I don't want to talk to Kristine again. 182 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,066 Never. 183 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,433 I don't wanna see her again. I didn't even wanna see her in the trial. 184 00:10:37,266 --> 00:10:40,066 But Michael... 185 00:10:40,133 --> 00:10:42,100 reached out and said he wanted to talk, 186 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:43,734 said he wanted to apologize. 187 00:10:44,467 --> 00:10:47,100 Well, he can try again. 188 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:50,867 I'm, you know, like, "I'll talk to you. I'll listen to what you gotta say, 189 00:10:50,867 --> 00:10:53,066 but I have a lot of questions." 190 00:10:53,066 --> 00:10:56,433 And I am hoping that this time he will be truthful and answer them. 191 00:10:58,567 --> 00:11:01,467 [Michael] I've never tried to forget Natalia 192 00:11:01,533 --> 00:11:04,066 as much as I wanna forget it. 193 00:11:04,133 --> 00:11:06,266 One of the five best days of my life 194 00:11:06,333 --> 00:11:09,567 was the day that we adopted Natalia. 195 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:13,266 As much as I want to block that, 196 00:11:13,333 --> 00:11:15,166 put that in the past, put that away... 197 00:11:16,166 --> 00:11:18,467 it's real. It's still there. 198 00:11:18,533 --> 00:11:19,967 I have very little things 199 00:11:20,033 --> 00:11:22,266 that survived from... from my previous life. 200 00:11:22,333 --> 00:11:25,000 This is actually a cross that was given to Natalia 201 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,166 with... with her middle name, "Grace" on it 202 00:11:27,233 --> 00:11:28,767 right after Natalia came home with us. 203 00:11:28,767 --> 00:11:31,233 It was hanging up on... on the wall of her bedroom. 204 00:11:33,867 --> 00:11:37,567 Natalia, I would like to apologize directly to you 205 00:11:37,567 --> 00:11:39,166 and not the world. 206 00:11:40,166 --> 00:11:42,367 If we ever get a moment where... we can 207 00:11:42,367 --> 00:11:44,066 have a conversation 208 00:11:44,133 --> 00:11:46,333 where we can speak, where we can talk... 209 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:49,467 you'll get that. 210 00:11:49,467 --> 00:11:51,367 But at the same time, 211 00:11:51,433 --> 00:11:53,867 I'm realistic enough to know... 212 00:11:53,934 --> 00:11:56,233 that from other people's points of view... 213 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,333 I'm probably the devil. 214 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,367 [Kenneth] My name is Ken Maxwell. 215 00:12:10,433 --> 00:12:13,266 I have over 30 years of law-enforcement experience, 216 00:12:13,266 --> 00:12:17,000 the vast majority of which was with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 217 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,967 My last position, I was the assistant special agent in charge 218 00:12:20,033 --> 00:12:21,667 of the counterterrorism branch 219 00:12:21,734 --> 00:12:23,066 in the New York field office. 220 00:12:23,066 --> 00:12:25,567 Following my retirement from the FBI, 221 00:12:25,567 --> 00:12:28,667 with my considerable investigative experience, 222 00:12:28,734 --> 00:12:31,467 the Natalia Grace case... 223 00:12:31,467 --> 00:12:34,066 was more than intriguing to me. 224 00:12:34,066 --> 00:12:37,467 When we first started out, it was a classic whodunnit, 225 00:12:37,467 --> 00:12:39,367 but as we gathered more information, 226 00:12:39,433 --> 00:12:43,066 it has evolved into a how and a why. 227 00:12:43,133 --> 00:12:45,467 Why did all these things take place? 228 00:12:49,166 --> 00:12:52,767 We can't get into Kristine's mind or Michael's mind. 229 00:12:52,834 --> 00:12:54,634 However, based upon... 230 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:57,567 the evidence we've been able to uncover, 231 00:12:57,567 --> 00:12:59,367 interviews with people, documents, 232 00:12:59,367 --> 00:13:02,000 their own messaging between each other, 233 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,667 it amounts to circumstantial evidence 234 00:13:04,667 --> 00:13:06,166 that gives us a glimpse 235 00:13:06,166 --> 00:13:08,367 into what they were thinking at the time 236 00:13:08,367 --> 00:13:10,467 that helps support 237 00:13:10,533 --> 00:13:13,166 the notion that there was a purposeful plan. 238 00:13:14,266 --> 00:13:16,367 Securing an apartment for Natalia in Lafayette 239 00:13:16,433 --> 00:13:19,467 was the next step of the plan 240 00:13:19,467 --> 00:13:22,266 to get rid of Natalia from the Barnett family... 241 00:13:22,266 --> 00:13:23,467 for good. 242 00:13:23,533 --> 00:13:25,967 Placing Natalia in this apartment in Lafayette 243 00:13:26,033 --> 00:13:28,467 that was totally unsuitable for a disabled person. 244 00:13:28,533 --> 00:13:32,734 Was Kristine exhibiting a depraved indifference for Natalia as a human being? 245 00:13:33,567 --> 00:13:36,467 Or was the hate so strong 246 00:13:36,467 --> 00:13:38,667 that she just didn't care 247 00:13:38,667 --> 00:13:41,166 as to leave somebody in an environment like that 248 00:13:41,166 --> 00:13:45,266 with little or no safety or protection? 249 00:13:45,266 --> 00:13:47,367 Kristine dropped me off at that apartment. 250 00:13:48,467 --> 00:13:50,233 I didn't know how to take care of myself. 251 00:13:50,867 --> 00:13:53,166 I didn't know what to do. 252 00:13:53,166 --> 00:13:56,166 [Karas] It seems Kristine has one move left... 253 00:13:56,166 --> 00:13:58,100 to try to get rid of Natalia, 254 00:13:58,100 --> 00:13:59,767 but she's not gonna stop there. 255 00:13:59,767 --> 00:14:02,433 She's moving on to Michael next. 256 00:14:05,467 --> 00:14:08,266 [Karas] A disabled nine-year-old left alone 257 00:14:08,266 --> 00:14:11,967 in a dangerous neighborhood to fend for herself. 258 00:14:12,033 --> 00:14:13,367 This was no accident. 259 00:14:13,367 --> 00:14:15,066 This was intentional. 260 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,567 Natalia was left in harm's way, 261 00:14:18,567 --> 00:14:22,000 in what appears to be Kristine's final move, 262 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,967 to get rid of her for good. 263 00:14:25,033 --> 00:14:27,166 [Natalia] I found out I was moving to Lafayette 264 00:14:27,166 --> 00:14:28,967 once we were already there. 265 00:14:29,033 --> 00:14:31,467 She helped me move in. 266 00:14:31,533 --> 00:14:34,166 And then, once we were done moving in, 267 00:14:34,166 --> 00:14:37,066 I find out that that's where I'm gonna, like, 268 00:14:37,133 --> 00:14:39,000 actually be living... 269 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,467 and they're moving to Canada. 270 00:14:41,467 --> 00:14:43,467 Through the investigation, we find out that she got moved 271 00:14:43,467 --> 00:14:44,667 into the Westfield apartment 272 00:14:44,734 --> 00:14:46,767 and her specialized shoes were taken from her 273 00:14:46,767 --> 00:14:48,100 and her walker. 274 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:50,867 And here in Lafayette, the same scenario. 275 00:14:50,867 --> 00:14:52,100 She didn't have either one of those things. 276 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,767 She just doesn't have them. 277 00:14:53,767 --> 00:14:55,634 When I show up to this apartment, 278 00:14:56,066 --> 00:14:59,266 I mean... it is not... 279 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:03,367 catered to a person... that is a little person. 280 00:15:03,367 --> 00:15:06,266 I'm just completely shocked. 281 00:15:06,266 --> 00:15:09,367 There was nobody there to help me get anything from the top shelf 282 00:15:09,367 --> 00:15:11,000 or anything like that. 283 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,066 It was not a easy thing doing it on my own. 284 00:15:14,066 --> 00:15:16,767 But I had to, kind of, adapt to it. 285 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:19,667 Kristine came maybe twice. 286 00:15:19,667 --> 00:15:21,433 After that, Michael came once. 287 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,867 And, um... 288 00:15:24,934 --> 00:15:27,634 I never saw them again after those three months. 289 00:15:35,567 --> 00:15:36,567 [Cynthia] It's okay. 290 00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:39,767 This it? Wow. 291 00:15:39,834 --> 00:15:41,166 [Natalia] Oh, my goodness. 292 00:15:41,166 --> 00:15:42,867 Talk about memories. 293 00:15:42,867 --> 00:15:44,467 [Natalia] For real. 294 00:15:44,467 --> 00:15:46,934 -These stairs were not easy. -[Cynthia] I know. 295 00:15:52,166 --> 00:15:53,433 [Natalia] Ow! 296 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,934 [Cynthia] It's okay. 297 00:16:01,567 --> 00:16:03,166 I would have to climb up there, 298 00:16:03,166 --> 00:16:06,000 and then when I would get to the second step, I would just pull the thing. 299 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,066 I had to stand on that step for five minutes 300 00:16:08,133 --> 00:16:09,467 just to unlock the door. 301 00:16:09,467 --> 00:16:11,567 And once I would get it open, 302 00:16:11,567 --> 00:16:14,467 I'd already be tired from standing, trying to open it. 303 00:16:14,467 --> 00:16:15,867 And then I was like... 304 00:16:15,867 --> 00:16:19,100 Twelve steps after walking up these five plus that step. 305 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:21,166 -And then... If I remember right... -Plus the actual-- 306 00:16:21,233 --> 00:16:22,467 ...there's like a... 307 00:16:22,467 --> 00:16:23,967 flooring when you first go in 308 00:16:23,967 --> 00:16:25,967 then there's 12 steps going up. 309 00:16:25,967 --> 00:16:27,333 Yes. 310 00:16:28,667 --> 00:16:30,734 I couldn't even reach the mailbox. 311 00:16:31,667 --> 00:16:34,033 Yeah, I probably should sit down though. 312 00:16:37,767 --> 00:16:40,934 -Oh, Jeez, okay. You know what? -I got you. 313 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,233 -You wanna sit? -Yeah. 314 00:16:46,467 --> 00:16:50,467 You know, this was like 17 stairs just right here, 315 00:16:50,467 --> 00:16:53,467 so she had to do all this on her own 316 00:16:53,533 --> 00:16:55,667 when she was so much more smaller and... 317 00:16:55,667 --> 00:16:58,266 -Yeah. -...and less stable. 318 00:16:58,266 --> 00:17:00,367 -You know, she was-- -[gunshot] 319 00:17:00,433 --> 00:17:02,000 -Jesus, that scared me. -[Natalia] Are you for real? 320 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,867 [chuckles nervously] 321 00:17:03,867 --> 00:17:05,934 -[producer] What was that? -Please, tell me that was a firework. 322 00:17:07,867 --> 00:17:09,066 Oh, Jesus. 323 00:17:09,133 --> 00:17:10,033 Not today, Satan. 324 00:17:10,033 --> 00:17:11,467 -That sounded real close. -It sounded like, 325 00:17:11,467 --> 00:17:13,567 not this block, but the next block. 326 00:17:13,567 --> 00:17:16,367 [Natalia] That sounded really loud. 327 00:17:18,667 --> 00:17:20,266 Yeah. 328 00:17:20,266 --> 00:17:22,367 -I was... eight. -Nine and a half? 329 00:17:22,367 --> 00:17:24,066 I was eight. I turned nine 330 00:17:24,133 --> 00:17:25,767 -when I met you guys. -Okay. 331 00:17:25,767 --> 00:17:27,467 -So nine years old... -Yep. 332 00:17:27,467 --> 00:17:30,166 ...and she was walking through this area herself. 333 00:17:30,233 --> 00:17:31,667 Anything could have happened. 334 00:17:31,667 --> 00:17:33,667 -I thank God it didn't. -[gunshot at a distance] 335 00:17:33,667 --> 00:17:34,567 Jesus. 336 00:17:34,567 --> 00:17:36,000 -[gunshot] -Oh, okay. 337 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 I'm ready to go. 338 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,567 [chuckles nervously] 339 00:17:38,567 --> 00:17:42,867 Her family just dropped her off in Lafayette and went to Canada. 340 00:17:44,367 --> 00:17:46,467 Who does that? 341 00:17:46,533 --> 00:17:49,367 It makes me angry. It makes me wanna... 342 00:17:49,433 --> 00:17:51,667 just scream at Kristine. 343 00:17:51,667 --> 00:17:54,266 Because why would you do that to her. 344 00:17:54,266 --> 00:17:56,367 Why did Natalia deserve that? 345 00:17:56,367 --> 00:18:01,233 Because... "Kristine, she didn't fit into your agenda?" 346 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,233 [Michael] I'm at work, I get a phone call from Kristine. 347 00:18:07,266 --> 00:18:11,100 The exact words are... "Michael... 348 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:13,567 quit your job, call your boss, 349 00:18:13,567 --> 00:18:15,266 you need to come home right now. 350 00:18:15,266 --> 00:18:16,967 We're moving to Canada." 351 00:18:16,967 --> 00:18:18,767 And she hung up. 352 00:18:18,834 --> 00:18:20,367 So I come rushing home. 353 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,266 Kristine... 354 00:18:22,266 --> 00:18:24,567 rents a car, takes the boys, 355 00:18:24,634 --> 00:18:26,367 leaves the country, goes to Canada 356 00:18:26,367 --> 00:18:27,867 to go find a place to live. 357 00:18:27,867 --> 00:18:31,166 And Kristine tells me that, "You have to sell everything we own." 358 00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:33,467 And then I join my family up in Canada. 359 00:18:34,967 --> 00:18:36,667 [Kenneth] The steps that Kristine took 360 00:18:36,667 --> 00:18:38,767 with Michael in Canada 361 00:18:38,834 --> 00:18:42,767 are at least indicative of part of her plan possibly, 362 00:18:42,834 --> 00:18:44,667 that she got rid of Natalia, 363 00:18:44,734 --> 00:18:49,266 "Now it's time to rid myself of my husband, Michael." 364 00:18:49,333 --> 00:18:51,166 [Karas] It culminates into... 365 00:18:51,233 --> 00:18:54,734 she's even gonna alienate his sons against him. 366 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,100 [Michael] While we were in Canada, 367 00:18:58,100 --> 00:18:59,634 there were fights every day. 368 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:03,667 I was driving with the family 369 00:19:03,734 --> 00:19:06,767 and Kristine was just screaming and screaming 370 00:19:06,767 --> 00:19:08,667 and yelling and yelling at me. 371 00:19:08,734 --> 00:19:10,667 "You are not helpful! 372 00:19:10,667 --> 00:19:12,467 You are nothing. You are worthless. 373 00:19:12,533 --> 00:19:13,567 You are replaceable. 374 00:19:13,567 --> 00:19:15,266 The book money, it's all mine. 375 00:19:15,266 --> 00:19:16,667 The Hollywood money, it's all mine." 376 00:19:16,667 --> 00:19:18,367 Mentally... 377 00:19:18,367 --> 00:19:21,734 this was my snaping point... 378 00:19:22,567 --> 00:19:24,567 with Kristine. 379 00:19:24,634 --> 00:19:26,967 I tell her, "I've had it. 380 00:19:26,967 --> 00:19:28,934 I'm leaving you." 381 00:19:32,367 --> 00:19:33,867 Anger builds... 382 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,767 "Shut up or I'll kill you." 383 00:19:36,834 --> 00:19:38,734 "Mine, everything is mine. You're worthless!" 384 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:41,333 "Shut up or I'll kill you." 385 00:19:42,567 --> 00:19:44,567 "You're nothing... mine..." 386 00:19:44,634 --> 00:19:46,533 "Shut up or I'll kill you." 387 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,567 I shouldn't have said it. 388 00:19:50,567 --> 00:19:51,767 Absolutely shouldn't have said it. 389 00:19:54,266 --> 00:19:56,266 Angel voice comes out... 390 00:19:56,333 --> 00:19:59,767 public persona hits the brakes and comes out. 391 00:19:59,834 --> 00:20:02,066 She spins, turns to the boys in the back seat... 392 00:20:02,667 --> 00:20:04,667 [mimics Kristine] "Boys... 393 00:20:04,734 --> 00:20:06,634 Dad's gonna kill all of us. 394 00:20:07,066 --> 00:20:08,467 It's okay. 395 00:20:08,467 --> 00:20:10,767 I'm gonna protect you." 396 00:20:10,767 --> 00:20:13,367 [in normal voice] Every day, Kristine would tell them, 397 00:20:13,367 --> 00:20:15,734 "You're dad's dangerous, he's gonna kill you." 398 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:20,467 Next thing you know, suddenly, my kids are terrorized. 399 00:20:20,467 --> 00:20:23,266 And they sleep with knives next to their bed 400 00:20:23,266 --> 00:20:25,266 because they're afraid of their dad coming to Canada 401 00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:26,967 to kidnap them and kill them. 402 00:20:28,567 --> 00:20:29,967 [Kenneth] Kristine went to 403 00:20:30,033 --> 00:20:34,166 a Canadian therapist, a mental health professional 404 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:36,567 and told her what had occurred, 405 00:20:36,634 --> 00:20:40,467 that Michael was a danger to Kristine and to the boys. 406 00:20:40,467 --> 00:20:42,634 A physical threat to the family. 407 00:20:44,266 --> 00:20:47,667 [Michael] At this point in time I had moved back to Indiana. 408 00:20:47,734 --> 00:20:49,166 Later I would come to find out 409 00:20:49,767 --> 00:20:52,467 the moment she stopped shouting 410 00:20:52,467 --> 00:20:54,967 and turned into the angelic protector, 411 00:20:56,266 --> 00:20:58,567 she had palmed the cell phone, 412 00:20:58,567 --> 00:21:00,567 she had hit record on it... 413 00:21:00,567 --> 00:21:03,467 She takes the recording, not long thereafter 414 00:21:03,867 --> 00:21:05,266 to the Ontario police. 415 00:21:07,967 --> 00:21:10,634 And tries to convince them that we are in danger. 416 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,467 So this fight that Michael and Kristine had, 417 00:21:14,467 --> 00:21:16,066 and she pulls out her phone and she, 418 00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:19,066 she video tapes threats that Michael was making 419 00:21:19,066 --> 00:21:20,867 in the heat of the moment, 420 00:21:20,867 --> 00:21:22,767 are now living on forever, 421 00:21:22,767 --> 00:21:27,467 that's parallel to Natalia's experience with the pledge incident. 422 00:21:27,467 --> 00:21:31,533 Where Natalia says, "She pulled out her phone and made me do it." 423 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:34,266 And then use it as evidence. 424 00:21:34,266 --> 00:21:37,266 That she caught me, you know, poisoning her coffee. 425 00:21:37,333 --> 00:21:39,967 So this is Kristine creating a narrative 426 00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:44,266 to her benefit and perhaps to scare Michael. 427 00:21:44,266 --> 00:21:47,066 Then she calls me up to tell me... 428 00:21:47,133 --> 00:21:49,233 [Kristine on phone] This was, like, you have committed a crime 429 00:21:50,166 --> 00:21:51,767 and we're about to lock you up. 430 00:21:55,567 --> 00:22:01,100 [Karas] Kristine was masterful at understanding a situation 431 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:03,233 she could exploit immediately 432 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,667 on camera. 433 00:22:04,667 --> 00:22:07,266 Kristine got him so upset and they were fighting 434 00:22:07,333 --> 00:22:09,066 that she turned a camera on him 435 00:22:09,066 --> 00:22:10,266 as he was saying, you know, 436 00:22:10,266 --> 00:22:12,066 "I'll kill you. I'll kill you." 437 00:22:12,133 --> 00:22:14,066 And she took it to the police 438 00:22:14,066 --> 00:22:16,967 in order to keep him in the United States. 439 00:22:18,567 --> 00:22:19,967 [Kristine on phone] It's terrible, Michael. 440 00:22:21,066 --> 00:22:24,133 Extremely scary. 441 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,066 [Michael] Kristine... Kris... 442 00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:44,233 [Michael] Kris, calm down. 443 00:24:01,767 --> 00:24:03,333 [Michael clears throat] 444 00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:13,166 [Michael clears throat] 445 00:24:21,066 --> 00:24:22,734 -[Michael clears throat] -[Kristine sobbing] 446 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,867 [Michelle Frazee] After Michael came back from Canada, 447 00:24:31,867 --> 00:24:33,000 he lived with us. 448 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,667 Michael would have his door closed 449 00:24:34,734 --> 00:24:36,367 and he would be talking to Kristine, 450 00:24:36,367 --> 00:24:39,066 trying to talk to the boys, whatever. 451 00:24:39,066 --> 00:24:41,233 And she would just be screaming at him. 452 00:24:42,166 --> 00:24:45,166 Kristine would scream crazy things at him, 453 00:24:45,166 --> 00:24:49,000 calling him a psycho and calling him an abuser. 454 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,667 She used that incident to tell my kids forever 455 00:24:51,667 --> 00:24:53,767 that I was a wanted man in Canada, 456 00:24:53,767 --> 00:24:56,367 that I couldn't enter the country of Canada, 457 00:24:56,433 --> 00:24:58,934 that I had charges waiting for me in Canada. 458 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,266 [Karas] It seemed Kristine wanted Michael to be in the US 459 00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:05,467 while she's in Canada with Jacob and the boys. 460 00:25:05,467 --> 00:25:07,467 Now, if that's true, why? 461 00:25:07,533 --> 00:25:10,166 Well, maybe because she wanted Michael to be 462 00:25:10,233 --> 00:25:12,667 the sole parent responsible for Natalia 463 00:25:12,667 --> 00:25:14,567 who at this point is their dependent 464 00:25:14,567 --> 00:25:16,767 and maybe a dependent forever 465 00:25:16,767 --> 00:25:19,066 and if something were to happen to Natalia, 466 00:25:19,066 --> 00:25:20,367 she could just claim ignorance, 467 00:25:20,367 --> 00:25:22,667 like, "I'm in Canada. I'm not even in the country. 468 00:25:22,667 --> 00:25:23,967 It's on Michael." 469 00:25:25,166 --> 00:25:27,266 [Kenneth] She even engaged in a conversation at one point 470 00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:28,767 where she wanted Michael 471 00:25:28,834 --> 00:25:32,567 to be the trustee of Natalia's affairs. 472 00:25:32,634 --> 00:25:34,667 We know that from Facebook communications. 473 00:25:34,667 --> 00:25:39,133 Kristine was almost leaving him holding the bag to do all this. 474 00:25:40,967 --> 00:25:43,467 [Jackie Starbuck] You were asked about personal knowledge 475 00:25:43,467 --> 00:25:48,166 about her being neglected or left in this apartment. 476 00:25:48,166 --> 00:25:52,567 So any... If, if you want to respond as to what Natalia 477 00:25:52,634 --> 00:25:53,967 told you or sent you, 478 00:25:54,033 --> 00:25:55,467 I think that would be appropriate. 479 00:25:55,533 --> 00:26:00,667 So, uh, okay. I have a picture of her looking like she has 480 00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:02,433 bruises all over her face, 481 00:26:02,867 --> 00:26:04,467 her hair is chopped off, 482 00:26:04,467 --> 00:26:06,166 she looks miserable 483 00:26:06,233 --> 00:26:10,033 in an apartment that she and the Mans told me were up a flight of stairs. 484 00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:13,467 [Nicole DePaul] This is when she was living alone. 485 00:26:16,066 --> 00:26:17,867 Does anybody know what happened? 486 00:26:17,867 --> 00:26:21,066 So, when you drop a little disabled six-year-old off, 487 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,467 what the hell happened? 488 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,767 Oh. It's horrible. 489 00:26:25,767 --> 00:26:28,667 -She has what looks like... -[Vince DePaul] Maybe black eyes. 490 00:26:28,667 --> 00:26:30,066 [Nicole] ...black eyes and her-- 491 00:26:30,066 --> 00:26:31,166 [Vince] A scrape across her nose. 492 00:26:31,166 --> 00:26:33,967 [Nicole] Scrape across the bridge of her nose. 493 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:35,734 I mean... 494 00:26:37,066 --> 00:26:38,367 I mean, look at the way she walks. 495 00:26:38,433 --> 00:26:40,467 I mean, she, she could've fallen, you know? 496 00:26:40,467 --> 00:26:43,467 -I mean, who knows. -[Nicole] She could've fallen down all those stairs 497 00:26:43,467 --> 00:26:45,066 -that they put her in. -[Vince] She could've fallen... 498 00:26:45,066 --> 00:26:47,967 -She was in a second story apartment. -...down in the apartment. 499 00:26:47,967 --> 00:26:50,767 So at trial, the main points that we had were, 500 00:26:50,767 --> 00:26:53,567 as a dependent she was in a second floor apartment, 501 00:26:53,567 --> 00:26:55,367 they didn't set her up with any doctors, 502 00:26:55,367 --> 00:26:58,567 they didn't set her up with anyone to assist her 503 00:26:58,634 --> 00:27:03,367 as far as hygiene, cooking, cleaning, clothes. 504 00:27:03,367 --> 00:27:06,467 Michael had a duty to care for her 505 00:27:06,467 --> 00:27:08,066 which he failed to do so 506 00:27:08,133 --> 00:27:12,166 when he abandoned her in Lafayette in a situation 507 00:27:12,166 --> 00:27:14,767 that endangered her life or health. 508 00:27:17,166 --> 00:27:20,066 I remember my power actually being shut off 509 00:27:20,066 --> 00:27:22,266 in Lafayette apartment 510 00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:24,367 for, like, a week and it was in the middle of summer. 511 00:27:24,433 --> 00:27:27,166 Like, it was burning hot. 512 00:27:27,166 --> 00:27:29,767 I remember, like, everything in the fridge went bad, like, 513 00:27:29,767 --> 00:27:32,000 and I couldn't go grocery shopping 514 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,734 and I was scared. 515 00:27:35,467 --> 00:27:36,934 I was really scared. 516 00:27:37,367 --> 00:27:39,166 Like, I could've died. 517 00:27:39,233 --> 00:27:41,467 I grew up way too early. 518 00:27:41,533 --> 00:27:45,367 I've had to learn lessons that I should've learned 519 00:27:45,367 --> 00:27:49,066 when, maybe, like, just now turning 20. 520 00:27:49,133 --> 00:27:51,567 I should be learning those life lessons. 521 00:27:51,567 --> 00:27:55,634 If, literally like, I had to grow up overnight. 522 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,000 Michael being left in Indiana 523 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,367 did do some things, 524 00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:02,367 possibly, even unintentionally. 525 00:28:02,433 --> 00:28:03,467 We have communications 526 00:28:03,533 --> 00:28:05,066 where he's questioning Kristine, 527 00:28:05,066 --> 00:28:07,033 "Why did you shut off the electricity? 528 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:11,834 There was no air conditioner. 529 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,867 Why did you take her phone?" 530 00:28:15,867 --> 00:28:21,100 If Kristine was trying to set up Michael to take responsibility 531 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:22,667 or take the fall for anything 532 00:28:22,667 --> 00:28:24,467 that happened to Natalia in Lafayette, 533 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,967 these communications contradict that. 534 00:28:29,667 --> 00:28:32,100 They show her direct knowledge of, 535 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,667 "Why did you, Kristine, shut off her phone? 536 00:28:34,667 --> 00:28:38,867 Why did you not pay the electric bill?" You being Kristine. 537 00:28:38,867 --> 00:28:42,266 So it makes her culpable. 538 00:28:42,266 --> 00:28:44,166 In fact, it infers that Michael was not aware 539 00:28:44,166 --> 00:28:46,567 that Kristine did these things. 540 00:28:46,567 --> 00:28:50,467 [Karas] Michael checked in on Natalia and became a lifeline for her. 541 00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:53,066 He had her electricity turned back on 542 00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:56,367 and air conditioning installed, he got her food 543 00:28:56,367 --> 00:29:01,667 and basically foiled Kristine's plan. 544 00:29:01,734 --> 00:29:05,000 It was almost a victory for the Barnetts, 545 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,867 but in the end, look at Kristine's failures. 546 00:29:07,934 --> 00:29:10,767 She failed to get Natalia locked up criminally, 547 00:29:10,834 --> 00:29:14,166 she failed to get her committed to a psychiatric facility, 548 00:29:14,233 --> 00:29:17,467 she failed to get Michael to take the fall 549 00:29:17,467 --> 00:29:20,367 and finally the authorities get involved. 550 00:29:20,367 --> 00:29:22,767 When the director of the Adult Learning Center 551 00:29:22,767 --> 00:29:24,667 in Lafayette, Indiana 552 00:29:24,667 --> 00:29:26,467 did what every other adult 553 00:29:26,467 --> 00:29:28,367 in Natalia's life had failed to do, 554 00:29:28,367 --> 00:29:30,133 call the police. 555 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,967 [Karas] Kristine and Michael were really trying to erase Natalia from their lives. 556 00:29:37,967 --> 00:29:39,967 But once the police were involved, 557 00:29:39,967 --> 00:29:42,667 they launched an investigation in 2013 558 00:29:42,667 --> 00:29:44,467 into who Natalia was. 559 00:29:44,533 --> 00:29:45,467 Where she came from, 560 00:29:45,467 --> 00:29:47,066 how she got to the United States, 561 00:29:47,066 --> 00:29:50,467 and to Indiana and an apartment living by herself. 562 00:29:50,467 --> 00:29:53,567 Now that statement she wrote at the Adult Learning Center 563 00:29:53,567 --> 00:29:56,033 was a biographical sketch given to the police 564 00:29:56,567 --> 00:29:59,266 and in it there were 565 00:29:59,266 --> 00:30:03,467 allegations, which if true, show that this child 566 00:30:03,533 --> 00:30:07,166 was abused long before she was in the Barnett household. 567 00:30:08,967 --> 00:30:12,433 You wrote down the story of your life, right? 568 00:30:13,166 --> 00:30:15,467 Natalia is not unscathed. 569 00:30:15,533 --> 00:30:19,567 We know there were things that she came with to this country. 570 00:30:19,567 --> 00:30:23,266 As an investigator, really difficult to really know 571 00:30:23,333 --> 00:30:26,667 what the... the whole story about what happened to her, 572 00:30:26,667 --> 00:30:28,467 as a baby, as a child. 573 00:30:28,467 --> 00:30:31,834 This is September 11th of 2013 574 00:30:32,667 --> 00:30:35,967 and it said, "I was born in Ukraine 575 00:30:36,033 --> 00:30:37,367 but, but I do not remember much. 576 00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:39,467 So I don't know my real parents 577 00:30:39,467 --> 00:30:40,767 and I was in an orphanage 578 00:30:40,834 --> 00:30:43,166 so I only remember the bad stuff. 579 00:30:43,233 --> 00:30:45,667 And then I got a shot, which made me pass out 580 00:30:45,734 --> 00:30:48,767 and then when I woke up, I was in a baby orphanage. 581 00:30:48,767 --> 00:30:53,033 And I saw a guy put something on my face, like, a towel or something..." 582 00:30:59,166 --> 00:31:00,333 [softly] Yikes... 583 00:31:01,367 --> 00:31:03,367 I actually forgot I wrote this. 584 00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:11,266 This is when everything started to turn for you. 585 00:31:11,333 --> 00:31:13,867 -Things just kinda changed. -This was-- I wrote this 586 00:31:13,867 --> 00:31:16,867 and then they took me to the police station. 587 00:31:16,934 --> 00:31:19,567 And you're now at Lafayette and there's no... 588 00:31:19,567 --> 00:31:21,667 You've been cut off, basically. 589 00:31:21,734 --> 00:31:24,467 Pretty much. Thankfully, I had my parents. 590 00:31:24,467 --> 00:31:27,266 You had this whole new door that opened up. 591 00:31:27,333 --> 00:31:29,367 Mmm. With the Mans family. 592 00:31:29,367 --> 00:31:31,367 I don't know. It's just, like, I felt safe 593 00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:32,667 when I met my parents. 594 00:31:32,667 --> 00:31:34,367 Even though I didn't know who they were, 595 00:31:34,367 --> 00:31:36,166 but I just... I felt safe. 596 00:31:36,233 --> 00:31:37,867 They let me be a kid. 597 00:31:37,867 --> 00:31:42,567 They let me be a nine-year-old, all the way into teenager 598 00:31:42,634 --> 00:31:44,166 all the way to now. 599 00:31:44,233 --> 00:31:46,834 Antwon and Cynthia showed me what 600 00:31:47,567 --> 00:31:50,266 a dad and a mom are supposed to be like. 601 00:31:50,266 --> 00:31:52,233 They taught me what love is. 602 00:31:55,367 --> 00:31:59,467 So, this first one is me. 603 00:31:59,467 --> 00:32:00,767 That's me right there. 604 00:32:00,867 --> 00:32:02,667 -[Antwon] Wow! You're so little! -[Natalia] That's me. I was... 605 00:32:02,734 --> 00:32:04,567 [Cynthia] Aw! 606 00:32:04,567 --> 00:32:07,467 I was, like, two... I think I was, like, two. 607 00:32:07,467 --> 00:32:08,567 That's what it looks like. 608 00:32:08,634 --> 00:32:11,100 [Antwon] Natalia was so cute! 609 00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,066 -I was so little. -[Antwon] Wow! 610 00:32:13,066 --> 00:32:16,467 -And then that is... -Your mom and dad. 611 00:32:16,533 --> 00:32:18,567 Yeah. That's my biological dad and mom. 612 00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:20,266 [Cynthia] Aw! 613 00:32:24,266 --> 00:32:26,567 [Anna speaking in other language] 614 00:32:43,367 --> 00:32:44,367 [Natalia in English] I don't wanna open 615 00:32:44,367 --> 00:32:46,834 that door of a relationship with Anna. 616 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,567 I get it, you know? 617 00:32:48,567 --> 00:32:53,367 You, you probably do wanna see me and everything like that, 618 00:32:53,367 --> 00:32:56,367 but I have a family here. 619 00:32:56,367 --> 00:32:59,567 I have my parents who raised me. 620 00:32:59,634 --> 00:33:01,767 Like, it's different with Anna 621 00:33:01,767 --> 00:33:03,467 because she only gave birth to me, 622 00:33:03,533 --> 00:33:08,066 but she let me go pretty much that same day. 623 00:33:08,066 --> 00:33:10,166 It started bringing in some hurt emotions 624 00:33:10,166 --> 00:33:15,133 because I haven't been in the Ukraine since I was five. 625 00:33:17,367 --> 00:33:18,967 The things that I remember 626 00:33:19,033 --> 00:33:22,967 from being in the orphanage in Ukraine are not great. 627 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:26,367 They're scary memories 628 00:33:26,367 --> 00:33:29,166 that I really don't like to think about anymore. 629 00:33:30,967 --> 00:33:33,066 [Veronica] When Natalia was in the orphanage, 630 00:33:33,066 --> 00:33:37,567 most probably because they just didn't have the staff 631 00:33:37,567 --> 00:33:40,867 to support these kids one on one, 632 00:33:40,934 --> 00:33:42,467 and what they would have to do is 633 00:33:42,467 --> 00:33:44,367 en masse scare them into, 634 00:33:44,433 --> 00:33:45,867 you know, getting into their beds 635 00:33:45,867 --> 00:33:47,166 and being quiet 636 00:33:47,166 --> 00:33:51,734 and therefore they use unusual tactics. 637 00:33:55,266 --> 00:33:57,266 [Natalia] One time we were playing, 638 00:33:59,266 --> 00:34:00,867 we heard stomping 639 00:34:00,934 --> 00:34:04,266 and everybody ran to the bedroom... 640 00:34:04,266 --> 00:34:06,667 [kids screaming] 641 00:34:06,667 --> 00:34:08,367 [Natalia] ...but I knew I couldn't 642 00:34:08,367 --> 00:34:09,867 and there was a couch behind me 643 00:34:09,867 --> 00:34:11,233 and I hid behind a couch. 644 00:34:16,567 --> 00:34:19,867 There was like, this big, black cloak 645 00:34:19,867 --> 00:34:21,567 and it was, like, this green mask. 646 00:34:26,567 --> 00:34:28,834 To me it was like the monster under the bed. 647 00:34:30,767 --> 00:34:32,667 It heard me crying 648 00:34:32,667 --> 00:34:36,233 and it turned my way and I, literally, panicked. 649 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,367 And I crawled to the very end 650 00:34:38,433 --> 00:34:40,066 where there was, like, a plant, 651 00:34:40,066 --> 00:34:41,767 where it couldn't get me on that side. 652 00:34:41,767 --> 00:34:44,667 And I remember hearing it stomping, coming towards me 653 00:34:44,667 --> 00:34:46,967 and it just peaked behind the couch. 654 00:34:47,467 --> 00:34:49,967 And I was so scared. 655 00:34:50,033 --> 00:34:52,667 Like, I didn't know what was about to happen, 656 00:34:53,767 --> 00:34:55,667 and it just stared at me. 657 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,667 [sobbing] And I'm, like, I don't know what to do. 658 00:35:01,867 --> 00:35:03,834 And it finally left. 659 00:35:04,967 --> 00:35:07,567 And then I remember one of the people that was 660 00:35:07,567 --> 00:35:09,667 in the bedroom with the other kids 661 00:35:09,734 --> 00:35:12,734 came and hugged me and then that was it. 662 00:35:13,767 --> 00:35:15,266 But, like, that was, like, 663 00:35:15,333 --> 00:35:19,266 the scariest moment of my life that I remember from that age. 664 00:35:19,266 --> 00:35:20,967 Like, that was beyond scary 665 00:35:21,033 --> 00:35:23,367 'cause I didn't know what was happening, 666 00:35:23,367 --> 00:35:26,834 I don't know why anybody would want to scare a bunch of kids. 667 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,767 A lot of stuff happened that just should not have happened. 668 00:35:35,834 --> 00:35:38,033 One thing I do remember is 669 00:35:38,767 --> 00:35:40,066 it's very weird, 670 00:35:40,066 --> 00:35:44,266 but I was is a orphanage and I just remember, like, 671 00:35:44,333 --> 00:35:46,834 somebody just coming up and just covering my face 672 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:49,967 and I blacked out 673 00:35:49,967 --> 00:35:51,000 and then it was, like... 674 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,266 I remember I woke up being carried and I just 675 00:35:54,266 --> 00:35:56,367 remember just seeing a big building, 676 00:35:56,367 --> 00:35:57,567 looked like an apartment building. 677 00:35:59,667 --> 00:36:02,367 I remember being in a doctor's office 678 00:36:02,367 --> 00:36:06,000 and then I remember getting a shot in my arm 679 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,567 and then after that I blacked out again. 680 00:36:08,567 --> 00:36:10,066 And then, next thing I know, 681 00:36:10,066 --> 00:36:11,433 I'm laying on a couch. 682 00:36:15,266 --> 00:36:18,066 This memory has always been, like, a mystery to me. 683 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:23,233 And... Well... 684 00:36:29,166 --> 00:36:32,667 I can't remember anything about what he looked like. 685 00:36:32,667 --> 00:36:36,000 The next memory that I have after that is me back in a orphanage. 686 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,667 Like, I don't know how I got back there 687 00:36:38,734 --> 00:36:40,967 or anything like that. 688 00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:42,767 When I'm trying to picture it, 689 00:36:42,834 --> 00:36:46,367 it's just, like, an invisible guy with a white T-shirt. 690 00:36:46,433 --> 00:36:48,767 Like, I just don't know what he looked like. 691 00:36:48,834 --> 00:36:49,767 I can't remember. 692 00:36:53,367 --> 00:36:54,266 [producer] I can hand it to you 693 00:36:54,266 --> 00:36:55,967 and then I'll take it back. 694 00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:00,333 I don't even know... 695 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,767 Like, how did y'all get this picture? 696 00:37:09,667 --> 00:37:11,166 [whispering] Oh, my goodness. 697 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,367 Oh, my gosh. 698 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,166 Like, honestly, I don't know what to say. 699 00:37:29,166 --> 00:37:30,967 I don't know what to even think. 700 00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:32,867 Because, like, I know, like, 701 00:37:32,867 --> 00:37:35,166 more happened than what I remember, 702 00:37:35,166 --> 00:37:37,634 but it's like, I can't figure it out. 703 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,867 Like, just seeing that, like, 704 00:37:39,867 --> 00:37:43,266 and not being able to remember is frustrating. 705 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:51,367 But it's also scary because I don't know what he did. 706 00:37:51,433 --> 00:37:53,467 I don't know why I was with him. I... 707 00:37:55,867 --> 00:37:56,967 I don't know. 708 00:37:59,266 --> 00:38:02,767 If Natalia had been traumatized in Ukraine, 709 00:38:02,834 --> 00:38:05,367 she needed a family to help her heal, 710 00:38:05,367 --> 00:38:07,767 but the Barnetts were not that family. 711 00:38:07,767 --> 00:38:09,433 They did the opposite 712 00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,834 and then she's re-traumatized again. 713 00:38:16,166 --> 00:38:17,567 [Natalia] The time I was in the Ukraine 714 00:38:17,567 --> 00:38:19,567 in the orphanage, after all that happened, 715 00:38:19,567 --> 00:38:21,667 the only thing I really wanted 716 00:38:21,667 --> 00:38:23,467 was a family who loves me. 717 00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:25,567 A family that protects me 718 00:38:25,567 --> 00:38:28,033 and the Barnetts did none of that. 719 00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:30,567 They just hurt me more. 720 00:38:30,567 --> 00:38:32,934 Kristine and Michael were never my parents! 721 00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:34,734 From day one. 722 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,233 They never acted like my parents. 723 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,166 Even though I'm still legally theirs right now, 724 00:38:43,166 --> 00:38:44,967 they are not my parents. 725 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,066 Antwon and Cynthia Mans are my parents. 726 00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:51,467 So, the only thing that's left connecting me 727 00:38:51,533 --> 00:38:53,567 to the Barnetts is my last name 728 00:38:53,567 --> 00:38:55,166 and that's about to change as well. 729 00:38:56,367 --> 00:38:57,567 [Kenny] I'm Peter Kenny. 730 00:38:57,567 --> 00:39:00,767 I practice law in Indianapolis, Indiana. 731 00:39:00,767 --> 00:39:02,066 Primarily adoptions, 732 00:39:02,066 --> 00:39:04,967 foster care and guardianship issues. 733 00:39:04,967 --> 00:39:06,967 What makes me wanna take this case is, 734 00:39:07,033 --> 00:39:08,367 I think it's about time that 735 00:39:08,367 --> 00:39:11,767 the system looked out for Natalia. 736 00:39:11,767 --> 00:39:14,467 I just want to see why do you want to be in their family forever? 737 00:39:14,467 --> 00:39:16,367 And why do you want to be theirs? 738 00:39:16,367 --> 00:39:19,834 [sighs softly] They've actually been a family to me. 739 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:21,967 They've showed me love. 740 00:39:22,033 --> 00:39:24,266 They've told me that they love me and they've showed it. 741 00:39:25,166 --> 00:39:26,867 This will be my third adoption 742 00:39:26,934 --> 00:39:28,934 and this will be my permanent adoption. 743 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:31,166 I've been Natasha Gava 744 00:39:31,166 --> 00:39:34,100 and then it was Natalia Ciccone 745 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,967 and then it was Natalia Barnett 746 00:39:36,033 --> 00:39:38,567 and now it'll be Natalia Mans. 747 00:39:38,567 --> 00:39:41,767 With still being connected to the Barnett name 748 00:39:41,767 --> 00:39:43,667 and everything like that and how it, like, 749 00:39:43,734 --> 00:39:46,066 if I have to sign something I have to say Barnett, 750 00:39:46,066 --> 00:39:49,166 and it's like, I don't want that 751 00:39:49,233 --> 00:39:50,767 to be my identity. 752 00:39:50,834 --> 00:39:52,567 'Cause, like, with everything that happened, 753 00:39:52,567 --> 00:39:54,767 it's all connected to the Barnett name. 754 00:39:54,834 --> 00:39:57,734 And I don't want that to be connected to me anymore. 755 00:39:58,100 --> 00:39:59,266 I just want to start new 756 00:39:59,266 --> 00:40:01,333 and not have to look back and... 757 00:40:02,667 --> 00:40:03,767 I don't wanna have to... 758 00:40:03,767 --> 00:40:05,467 Like, someone ask me, like, "What's your name?" 759 00:40:05,467 --> 00:40:07,166 I don't wanna say Natalia Barnett. 760 00:40:07,166 --> 00:40:10,166 I wanna say Natalia Mans because that's who I am. 761 00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:11,767 I'm a Mans. I'm not a Barnett. 762 00:40:11,767 --> 00:40:14,166 Like, me and my family have had to pay the price 763 00:40:14,233 --> 00:40:17,667 for their decisions with pain and suffering 764 00:40:17,734 --> 00:40:19,967 and just a whole bunch of road blocks. 765 00:40:20,033 --> 00:40:26,467 And so now, I feel like they should be the ones to have to pay the price. 766 00:40:26,533 --> 00:40:28,867 Legally, I feel like they got away with it. 767 00:40:28,867 --> 00:40:30,367 Legally they did. 768 00:40:30,367 --> 00:40:33,667 Publicly, they're not. 'Cause people know 769 00:40:33,734 --> 00:40:36,867 and are gonna see as these things get uncovered, 770 00:40:36,934 --> 00:40:38,367 what they have done. 771 00:40:38,367 --> 00:40:40,867 'Cause you don't go through this much stuff 772 00:40:41,367 --> 00:40:43,166 to do something to a person 773 00:40:43,166 --> 00:40:44,934 unless you're hiding something. 774 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,367 As long, as long as I've known them, 775 00:40:47,367 --> 00:40:49,066 all they've done is lied. 776 00:40:49,133 --> 00:40:51,567 What this adoption will do is 777 00:40:51,634 --> 00:40:54,467 kinda pave the way for anything you wanna do 778 00:40:54,467 --> 00:40:55,467 legally in the future 779 00:40:55,467 --> 00:40:57,867 because the evidence will speak for itself. 780 00:40:57,867 --> 00:40:59,834 -They're hiding something. -Yeah. 781 00:41:01,166 --> 00:41:02,467 With this adoption, 782 00:41:02,533 --> 00:41:03,867 I'll be legally a part of the family. 783 00:41:03,867 --> 00:41:06,266 So that way, I'll be protected 784 00:41:06,266 --> 00:41:09,734 while I do civil suits against the Barnetts. 785 00:41:10,567 --> 00:41:12,166 You know, abuse, neglect 786 00:41:12,166 --> 00:41:13,967 and a whole bunch of other stuff 787 00:41:13,967 --> 00:41:16,734 that should not have happened. 788 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,467 Michael and Natalia are meeting again. 789 00:41:21,467 --> 00:41:24,367 Michael on one side and Natalia on the other. 790 00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,066 Will Michael reveal any secrets? 791 00:41:27,133 --> 00:41:29,166 Of course, Natalia wants answers, 792 00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:31,767 but she's running a risk here 793 00:41:31,767 --> 00:41:33,667 because Michael has triggers. 794 00:41:33,667 --> 00:41:38,100 I try, I try, I try, I try! 795 00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,867 -[Antwon] Let me talk to you. Let me talk to you. -[Michael] No, no, no. 796 00:41:40,867 --> 00:41:43,066 -[producer] Michael? -[Michael] Leave me alone! 797 00:41:43,133 --> 00:41:47,100 Is she running the risk that he's gonna get up and walk out again? 798 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:50,166 [Antwon] You ain't about to weasel your way out of this. 799 00:41:50,166 --> 00:41:51,567 He's got to come back and man up 800 00:41:51,567 --> 00:41:53,467 and stop being a little whiny baby! 801 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,567 [woman] He acted like a coward! 802 00:41:58,634 --> 00:41:59,767 This is round two. 803 00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:03,667 How many other secrets are there? 804 00:42:03,667 --> 00:42:06,467 You have to fight to get to the truth. 805 00:42:06,533 --> 00:42:08,066 I'm not scared anymore. 806 00:42:10,867 --> 00:42:13,367 You deserve to have some answers.