1 00:00:00,689 --> 00:00:02,068 [phone ringing] 2 00:00:02,896 --> 00:00:04,241 [911 operator speaking] 3 00:00:20,103 --> 00:00:22,241 [theme music playing] 4 00:00:46,517 --> 00:00:48,620 [Michael] April 26th, 2010, 5 00:00:48,620 --> 00:00:50,793 that's the day that we adopted Natalia. 6 00:00:53,689 --> 00:00:56,275 By the time we get to the end of 2012, 7 00:00:56,275 --> 00:00:58,620 we've been living with a sociopath, 8 00:00:58,620 --> 00:01:00,482 trying to kill us everyday. 9 00:01:03,620 --> 00:01:07,793 We don't know who she is, we don't know how old she is. She won't admit who she is. 10 00:01:07,793 --> 00:01:10,241 She won't tell us the truth of who she is. 11 00:01:11,379 --> 00:01:17,275 Doctors have told us she's nowhere near the age you were told. 12 00:01:17,275 --> 00:01:20,000 And we've actually filed our motion in Marion County Court 13 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,137 for her case to be heard to have her age corrected to something more appropriate. 14 00:01:26,413 --> 00:01:30,793 The judge had a petition prepared by an attorney 15 00:01:30,793 --> 00:01:32,586 that would lay out the arguments 16 00:01:32,586 --> 00:01:35,620 for why this person is not eight. 17 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:37,793 They believe she is actually an adult. 18 00:01:37,793 --> 00:01:40,723 Nobody knows quite what... what age, 19 00:01:40,723 --> 00:01:44,413 but she has not grown in four years. 20 00:01:44,413 --> 00:01:47,689 So the judge came up with his own little formula, 21 00:01:47,689 --> 00:01:49,586 "Well, you stop growing at 18. 22 00:01:49,586 --> 00:01:51,620 If she hasn't grown in four years, 23 00:01:51,620 --> 00:01:54,793 then she's at least 18 when she entered their lives, 24 00:01:54,793 --> 00:01:56,172 and I'm gonna add four years." 25 00:01:56,172 --> 00:01:58,586 He said, "Okay, I find you 22." 26 00:02:02,793 --> 00:02:05,379 At the time that she was re-aged, I knew she was an adult. 27 00:02:05,379 --> 00:02:09,723 Did I know it was 18, 22, 35, 150? 28 00:02:09,723 --> 00:02:11,103 No. 29 00:02:11,103 --> 00:02:13,620 Re-aging is not unusual, 30 00:02:13,620 --> 00:02:16,482 it does happen in international adoptions. 31 00:02:17,689 --> 00:02:20,793 A couple years might be shaved off the age of the child 32 00:02:20,793 --> 00:02:23,517 because it's more attractive to adoptive families, 33 00:02:23,517 --> 00:02:25,310 the younger the child is. 34 00:02:25,310 --> 00:02:27,275 And at least, that's the belief. 35 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,068 So... 36 00:02:30,172 --> 00:02:32,000 Oh, I can buy a couple of years, right? 37 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,793 Like, she's not really eight, she's 10 or 11 or something. 38 00:02:35,793 --> 00:02:41,482 But to jump 14 years to 22, it doesn't make sense. 39 00:02:41,482 --> 00:02:43,793 At the time of the re-aging, 40 00:02:43,793 --> 00:02:49,517 there was good, solid documentation of an approximate age. 41 00:02:49,517 --> 00:02:52,000 And she had a primary care physician 42 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,275 that looked at all of it and also provided evidence. 43 00:02:56,275 --> 00:03:02,275 So that doctor was looking at lots of other doctors' information 44 00:03:02,275 --> 00:03:05,379 and coming up with a determination. 45 00:03:05,379 --> 00:03:10,310 And then at that point, when it's such a huge amount of years, 46 00:03:10,310 --> 00:03:12,586 you... you just have to say what makes the most sense 47 00:03:12,586 --> 00:03:16,172 based upon the evidence and the professionals, what they think. 48 00:03:16,172 --> 00:03:18,862 And that it's in the best interest of the child to change their age. 49 00:03:20,275 --> 00:03:23,103 You know, I'm not the doctor and I'm not the judge, 50 00:03:23,103 --> 00:03:26,448 but I felt like it was based on something credible. 51 00:03:28,896 --> 00:03:31,482 They give her a new birth certificate, well, a new birthday. 52 00:03:31,482 --> 00:03:34,793 They give her a new Indiana ID. 53 00:03:34,793 --> 00:03:38,551 She had... Everything changes from her year of birth of 2003. 54 00:03:39,275 --> 00:03:41,793 Back it up 14 years to 1989. 55 00:03:48,896 --> 00:03:50,896 When I was at the hospital, 56 00:03:50,896 --> 00:03:53,793 they signed the paperwork and got me re-aged. 57 00:03:54,724 --> 00:03:56,413 -So-- -[woman] Can you tell me about that? 58 00:03:56,413 --> 00:03:59,206 [chuckles] I don't even know what to say about it... 59 00:03:59,206 --> 00:04:01,482 -[woman] Yeah? -...because I don't know what happened. 60 00:04:01,482 --> 00:04:03,517 [woman] Yeah, just kind of tell me what you know. 61 00:04:03,517 --> 00:04:06,793 I just know that I had got out of the hospital. 62 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,965 And she got me an apartment. 63 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,517 Barnetts were... were very concerned 64 00:04:13,517 --> 00:04:16,172 about having her back in their home. 65 00:04:16,172 --> 00:04:17,481 [Michael] But Kristine wants to make sure 66 00:04:17,481 --> 00:04:20,000 she's got a good place to live. 67 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,896 So Kristine and her go out the next day, 68 00:04:21,896 --> 00:04:23,586 and they find her an apartment in Westfield. 69 00:04:28,172 --> 00:04:30,517 Westfield, Indiana, is in Hamilton County, Indiana. 70 00:04:30,517 --> 00:04:33,448 Hamilton County, Indiana, is in the richest part of the state. 71 00:04:36,172 --> 00:04:39,896 It's a... a single-floor apartment complex. 72 00:04:39,896 --> 00:04:43,310 She's got a living room, she's got a... a dining room, 73 00:04:43,310 --> 00:04:45,275 she's got a little eat-in kitchen, 74 00:04:45,275 --> 00:04:47,344 she's got a bathroom, and she's got a bedroom. 75 00:04:49,413 --> 00:04:51,000 Kristine and Natalia signed the lease. 76 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,793 They paid the first three months upfront. 77 00:04:54,517 --> 00:04:56,517 Moving day into Natalia's apartment, 78 00:04:56,517 --> 00:04:59,862 and I know we gave Natalia some furniture out of our home. 79 00:05:01,379 --> 00:05:03,793 We got groceries for her. 80 00:05:03,793 --> 00:05:06,310 And it was just... It's pretty basic stuff. 81 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:08,172 There's not a lot of tale to tell there. 82 00:05:09,482 --> 00:05:13,379 I think that, um, Kristine didn't know what to do with Natalia. 83 00:05:14,103 --> 00:05:15,896 So why not put her in an apartment 84 00:05:15,896 --> 00:05:17,172 and say she's 22? 85 00:05:29,172 --> 00:05:31,689 [Sue] I'm Sue McCallum, and I was a neighbor 86 00:05:31,689 --> 00:05:35,172 to Natalia when we lived in the Westfield apartments. 87 00:05:38,379 --> 00:05:39,965 Okay, now what? 88 00:05:40,896 --> 00:05:41,862 [chuckles] 89 00:05:42,896 --> 00:05:46,000 I just met her by accident one day. 90 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,689 I see her mom setting out all her groceries sacks on the sidewalk 91 00:05:49,689 --> 00:05:52,724 and I thought, her back was to me and I thought, 92 00:05:52,724 --> 00:05:55,379 "My gosh, that poor little girl carrying those groceries." 93 00:05:55,379 --> 00:05:58,103 And so, I went up there. I was going to the mailbox, 94 00:05:58,103 --> 00:06:01,206 and I said, "Well, honey, do you need some help?" 95 00:06:01,206 --> 00:06:02,793 And I said, "Where is your mom?" 96 00:06:02,793 --> 00:06:06,275 And she turned around, she said, [scoff] "I'm 22." 97 00:06:06,275 --> 00:06:10,586 I expected her to have... You know, well, young, but she's not. 98 00:06:10,586 --> 00:06:14,310 She was an adult, you could tell by looking at her. 99 00:06:14,310 --> 00:06:17,482 And, well, her mom had a Cadillac. [chuckles] 100 00:06:17,482 --> 00:06:19,103 And she was sitting in her Cadillac 101 00:06:19,103 --> 00:06:21,379 while I was helping her carry the groceries in 102 00:06:21,379 --> 00:06:25,103 because she just left 'em on the sidewalk. And left 'em, uh... 103 00:06:25,103 --> 00:06:27,103 Just sat there and watched us carry it in, 104 00:06:27,103 --> 00:06:29,482 and she didn't even roll down the window 105 00:06:29,482 --> 00:06:32,103 and say, "Thanks for helping her," or nothing, nothing. 106 00:06:32,103 --> 00:06:34,241 She just sat there and looked and then... [swishing] 107 00:06:34,896 --> 00:06:36,482 took off. 108 00:06:36,482 --> 00:06:39,655 I thought it was rude because Natalia couldn't... 109 00:06:40,482 --> 00:06:42,724 hardly open the darn front door, 110 00:06:42,724 --> 00:06:45,517 you know, work the key and get it. 111 00:06:45,517 --> 00:06:49,724 So I took 'em in and carried them into the, um, kitchen for her. 112 00:06:49,724 --> 00:06:54,275 And so, you know, I took her to the grocery store 113 00:06:54,275 --> 00:06:58,275 a couple times, and she was also on food stamps. 114 00:06:58,275 --> 00:07:01,551 She had a food stamp card when I take her to the grocery store. 115 00:07:02,896 --> 00:07:05,000 And I thought, "Well, if you can drive a Cadillac, 116 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,034 why can't you take better care of her?" 117 00:07:08,103 --> 00:07:09,068 You know? 118 00:07:19,275 --> 00:07:20,896 [Melanie] My name is Melanie. 119 00:07:20,896 --> 00:07:24,275 My husband and I, we're both Natalia's neighbors 120 00:07:24,275 --> 00:07:25,689 in Westfield, Indiana. 121 00:07:27,793 --> 00:07:29,172 [Toby] The first time I met Natalia, 122 00:07:29,172 --> 00:07:30,413 I think it was just my wife and I, 123 00:07:30,413 --> 00:07:31,655 we were planting some flowers. 124 00:07:35,103 --> 00:07:37,000 She just came running across the street 125 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,172 and, you know, I remember my wife and I looking at each other 126 00:07:40,172 --> 00:07:44,206 and... and just, you know, like, "What's... What's going on here?" 127 00:07:44,206 --> 00:07:46,275 And at first, it stressed me out, because I thought 128 00:07:46,275 --> 00:07:49,482 she was just a little kid crossing the street. 129 00:07:49,482 --> 00:07:53,482 And then she came over and started talking to us, 130 00:07:53,482 --> 00:07:57,689 and, you know, it definitely wasn't a child. 131 00:07:57,689 --> 00:08:03,000 Um, uh, it was super nice, expressed herself well 132 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,896 and, you know, just was being friendly with us. 133 00:08:05,896 --> 00:08:08,000 She introduces herself, sits right down, 134 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,103 starts up conversation like we've been friends for years. 135 00:08:11,103 --> 00:08:14,241 So... And that didn't bother me... 136 00:08:15,068 --> 00:08:16,068 at the time. 137 00:08:17,517 --> 00:08:18,551 At the time. 138 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,965 [Andrew] My name's Andrew Rice. 139 00:08:35,965 --> 00:08:38,655 Um, I'm an auto mechanic, ASE master certified mechanic. 140 00:08:41,172 --> 00:08:44,068 I used to live on Catherine Drive in Westfield, Indiana. 141 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:49,896 One day, my grandson was in the driveway playing. 142 00:08:49,896 --> 00:08:52,310 It was about 60 degrees out. 143 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:55,000 And, uh, my wife went in the house for just a moment, 144 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 and I followed her in, and then when I looked out the window, 145 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,482 there was a little person walking up our... Into our yard, 146 00:09:01,482 --> 00:09:03,206 up toward our garage. 147 00:09:03,206 --> 00:09:04,896 And she started talking to my grandson, 148 00:09:04,896 --> 00:09:06,275 and they started playing in the driveway. 149 00:09:06,275 --> 00:09:08,206 They were riding the electric motorcycle 150 00:09:08,206 --> 00:09:10,310 up and down the driveway and having races. 151 00:09:10,310 --> 00:09:12,482 -[engine starts] -[Andrew] On your mark... 152 00:09:13,482 --> 00:09:15,586 get set, go. 153 00:09:15,586 --> 00:09:18,275 [Natalia] Go, go, go, go, go, go. Come on! 154 00:09:20,379 --> 00:09:25,000 [Andrew] My first impression of Natalia was that, um, she was a... a little person. 155 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,862 I didn't necessarily think she was a child at first. 156 00:09:27,862 --> 00:09:30,103 Um, and as we got to speak with her, 157 00:09:30,103 --> 00:09:32,793 she actually admitted that she was 26 years old at that point. 158 00:09:32,793 --> 00:09:34,793 Um, and she told us that she lived 159 00:09:34,793 --> 00:09:36,965 in the apartments down the street, 160 00:09:36,965 --> 00:09:39,965 um, which were only two to three houses down across the street. 161 00:09:39,965 --> 00:09:41,482 [man on radio] Thirteen different leaders... 162 00:09:41,482 --> 00:09:46,275 [kid] Ohhh! Oh, no... I'm on the grass. 163 00:09:46,275 --> 00:09:48,000 -There. -[Natalia speaking] 164 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,000 [kid] Ah, ah, ah. 165 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,000 But as the sun started to set, it started to cool down a little bit, 166 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,103 and I know Natalia didn't have a jacket on that day, 167 00:09:59,103 --> 00:10:02,068 and we were jacketed up because it started getting cool. 168 00:10:02,068 --> 00:10:03,137 [kid speaking] 169 00:10:06,482 --> 00:10:08,206 It also seemed like she hadn't done 170 00:10:08,206 --> 00:10:10,068 some of the basic hygienic things 171 00:10:10,068 --> 00:10:11,965 that most people would normally do. 172 00:10:11,965 --> 00:10:14,000 Um, her was a little bit dirty, 173 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,275 and there was... 174 00:10:16,482 --> 00:10:19,482 for lack of a better word, an unpleasant body odor, 175 00:10:19,482 --> 00:10:21,965 um, that she emitted. 176 00:10:24,068 --> 00:10:27,862 [Sue] She wasn't a very clean person. She had her body odor. 177 00:10:27,862 --> 00:10:31,379 And she wore the same clothes for days and days 178 00:10:31,379 --> 00:10:37,172 before she changed. And her shoes were all worn and scuffed up, 179 00:10:37,172 --> 00:10:40,034 but part of it was the way she had to walk. 180 00:10:41,586 --> 00:10:45,275 And, you know, they should've bought her more shoes or something. 181 00:10:46,482 --> 00:10:48,482 I remember distinctly looking at her 182 00:10:48,482 --> 00:10:51,586 and be like, you know, after seeing dirty clothes 183 00:10:51,586 --> 00:10:56,586 and I wondered, "Can't she take her clothes off to wash them? 184 00:10:56,586 --> 00:10:59,137 Can't she put clean clothes on herself? 185 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 How many days in row has she worn that? 186 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,586 Does she only get to change clothes 187 00:11:03,586 --> 00:11:04,793 when somebody's there to help her?" 188 00:11:04,793 --> 00:11:07,172 I remember thinking that. 189 00:11:10,482 --> 00:11:13,586 [Melanie] I never saw her mom or her brothers come visit Natalia. 190 00:11:13,586 --> 00:11:17,000 The only person that I saw ever come over there was her adopted dad. 191 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,689 I only saw him from a distance. 192 00:11:19,689 --> 00:11:22,689 I noticed 'cause I think he drove a sports car, 193 00:11:22,689 --> 00:11:26,896 so I wasn't... It was a car that I hadn't seen come through. 194 00:11:26,896 --> 00:11:31,551 But it wasn't often, and didn't seem like he was there a long time. 195 00:11:34,896 --> 00:11:39,206 [neighbor] I only saw him the one time on accident drive up and get out. 196 00:11:39,206 --> 00:11:41,310 And we were right kind of where the trash can was, 197 00:11:41,310 --> 00:11:43,862 and she says, "That's my dad. I gotta go." 198 00:11:43,862 --> 00:11:47,000 And I just went, "That's your dad in that car? 199 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,931 And they are making you live here?" 200 00:11:50,586 --> 00:11:52,689 [Melanie] My... My husband and I were both... 201 00:11:52,689 --> 00:11:55,965 You know, we had the concern about her being...safe 202 00:11:55,965 --> 00:12:00,551 being, uh, you know, smaller stature and living by herself. 203 00:12:01,310 --> 00:12:05,379 Just wanting to make sure she was okay. 204 00:12:07,793 --> 00:12:10,413 She needed some help, and we could pick up on that. 205 00:12:10,413 --> 00:12:12,206 You know, if she was five or 50, 206 00:12:12,206 --> 00:12:14,931 she needed somebody to help her to take care of herself. 207 00:12:17,965 --> 00:12:19,379 [Beth] Some of Natalia's neighbors 208 00:12:19,379 --> 00:12:21,206 were worried for her well-being, 209 00:12:21,206 --> 00:12:23,689 so they contacted the Department of Children's Services. 210 00:12:23,689 --> 00:12:26,862 So DCS starts an investigation. 211 00:12:28,103 --> 00:12:31,689 Heather Wilson had investigated Natalia as a child 212 00:12:31,689 --> 00:12:35,931 in the Barnett home in 2012, before she's been re-aged. 213 00:12:37,103 --> 00:12:40,896 Fast-forward almost a year... 214 00:12:40,896 --> 00:12:44,482 and Natalia's now living in an apartment by herself, 215 00:12:44,482 --> 00:12:47,379 and Heather Wilson is brought back into the picture. 216 00:12:48,482 --> 00:12:51,586 And Natalia's now, voila, 22 years old. 217 00:12:51,586 --> 00:12:55,103 And Heather Wilson may... maybe she wasn't convinced 218 00:12:55,103 --> 00:12:57,068 that... that Natalia was an adult, 219 00:12:57,068 --> 00:12:59,482 and so, you know, she was gonna do what she could 220 00:12:59,482 --> 00:13:04,068 to investigate and make sure the allegations of neglect weren't substantiated, 221 00:13:04,068 --> 00:13:06,758 and make sure her basic needs are being met. 222 00:13:12,275 --> 00:13:15,551 Once Michael and Kristine learned that Heather Wilson was back in the picture... 223 00:13:16,965 --> 00:13:20,448 it was war against Hamilton County. 224 00:13:21,586 --> 00:13:22,655 [knocking on door] 225 00:13:25,482 --> 00:13:26,965 -[Michael] Hello. -[Natalia] Hi. 226 00:13:27,689 --> 00:13:29,310 Where were you when I came over? 227 00:13:29,310 --> 00:13:30,862 [Natalia] I was just taking a walk, 228 00:13:30,862 --> 00:13:33,689 and I got all the bins emptied out. 229 00:13:33,689 --> 00:13:36,000 [Michael] Yep, I'm gonna grab 'em. Where were you walking around? 230 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,689 I was just walking around on the sidewalk around here. 231 00:13:39,689 --> 00:13:41,482 [Michael] In this... In... In the apartment complex area? 232 00:13:41,482 --> 00:13:42,689 -Yep. -[Michael] I drove all through here, 233 00:13:42,689 --> 00:13:44,137 -I didn't see you. -[Natalia] Oh. 234 00:13:45,482 --> 00:13:47,068 How could you have been walking in the sidewalk 235 00:13:47,068 --> 00:13:49,172 if I drove through here and didn't see you? 236 00:13:49,172 --> 00:13:52,000 I... I was, uh, back there, walking around back there for... 237 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,896 And I was coming back over here. 238 00:13:54,896 --> 00:13:56,379 -[Michael] Yeah, like, right over there? -[Natalia] Yeah. 239 00:13:56,379 --> 00:13:57,758 [Michael] I drove over there. 240 00:14:00,172 --> 00:14:03,482 -Okay. Heather was here, huh? -Hmm. 241 00:14:03,482 --> 00:14:04,655 [Michael] What'd you guys talk about? 242 00:14:08,482 --> 00:14:10,034 [Michael] Who? Heather got another report on you? 243 00:14:11,206 --> 00:14:13,172 [Michael] And did Heather talk about what she's trying to do? 244 00:14:14,586 --> 00:14:15,551 Um... 245 00:14:16,413 --> 00:14:17,379 [Michael] Okay. 246 00:14:19,413 --> 00:14:20,551 Well, I think she did. 247 00:14:21,793 --> 00:14:24,689 Well, um, Heather told us you told her 248 00:14:24,689 --> 00:14:28,000 -that we only bring you food every two months. -Mm-hmm. 249 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 [Michael] And I showed her all the receipts... 250 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,862 [Michael] ...for all the food I bring over. 251 00:14:31,862 --> 00:14:33,413 -Mm-hmm. -[Michael] And she know you were lying about that. 252 00:14:33,413 --> 00:14:36,551 Um, they were going to... 253 00:14:37,586 --> 00:14:39,000 They're gonna try and do stuff, 254 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,896 but we showed everything to our lawyer, 255 00:14:40,896 --> 00:14:43,586 and our lawyer said that they can't do anything. 256 00:14:43,586 --> 00:14:45,172 Like, they're not even supposed to come over here. 257 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,586 So whatever Heather was trying with you, didn't work. 258 00:14:50,586 --> 00:14:55,896 It appears that Michael and Kristine only started buying groceries for Natalia 259 00:14:55,896 --> 00:15:00,103 after the Department of Children's Services reponed their investigation. 260 00:15:01,482 --> 00:15:02,793 [Michael] Where'd you get donuts from? 261 00:15:02,793 --> 00:15:03,965 I don't remember buying donuts. 262 00:15:05,103 --> 00:15:06,896 You don't know? 263 00:15:06,896 --> 00:15:08,758 Got an idea where, I think, the donuts came from. 264 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,689 -That's a lie. -[indistinct chatter on TV] 265 00:15:13,689 --> 00:15:15,275 [Michael] Seriously, where did the donuts come from? 266 00:15:21,068 --> 00:15:22,655 [Michael] You just found donuts in here? 267 00:15:27,896 --> 00:15:29,275 [Michael] Let's see if they have a date on them. 268 00:15:43,103 --> 00:15:46,482 Well, they say April 23rd, which means they're new. 269 00:15:46,482 --> 00:15:47,655 So where'd they come from? 270 00:15:51,965 --> 00:15:53,379 Seriously, where did the donuts come from? 271 00:15:55,482 --> 00:15:56,379 [Michael] Who brought them? 272 00:16:00,172 --> 00:16:01,586 [Michael] Who? 273 00:16:01,586 --> 00:16:04,551 Um, she is the... Um... 274 00:16:06,586 --> 00:16:08,655 [Michael] Sue, the lady over there? Is she in the office? 275 00:16:10,206 --> 00:16:11,862 [Michael] Why did she bring you donuts? 276 00:16:16,896 --> 00:16:18,551 [Michael] Well, you never tell me the truth. 277 00:16:20,413 --> 00:16:23,689 Her parents, they didn't come around a lot. They... 278 00:16:23,689 --> 00:16:28,103 Her dad would come more than the mother, and I don't know why. 279 00:16:28,103 --> 00:16:31,689 And I don't even remember what her dad looks like. 280 00:16:31,689 --> 00:16:33,551 I've only seen him one time. 281 00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:35,275 [Michael speaking] 282 00:16:52,689 --> 00:16:54,034 [Michael] Okay. 283 00:17:05,689 --> 00:17:10,586 This handwritten letter, Natalia is recanting all of these things 284 00:17:10,586 --> 00:17:13,689 she had said about Kristine in the past, 285 00:17:13,689 --> 00:17:18,862 saying, "I made them up to make my mom and dad look really bad." 286 00:17:18,862 --> 00:17:22,586 Is it possible that this is actually dictated by Kristine 287 00:17:22,586 --> 00:17:25,310 so that DCS would get off her back? 288 00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:26,896 [neighbor] I was standing in my yard 289 00:17:26,896 --> 00:17:29,689 and a beautiful woman and Natalia came. 290 00:17:29,689 --> 00:17:32,206 And Natalia's hair was all wet and cut 291 00:17:32,206 --> 00:17:34,586 as if the mom had cleaned her up, 292 00:17:34,586 --> 00:17:37,068 cut her hair, and she had different clothes on. 293 00:17:37,068 --> 00:17:38,689 I didn't know it was the mom at the time 294 00:17:38,689 --> 00:17:40,586 'cause I never saw the mom, I always saw the dad. 295 00:17:40,586 --> 00:17:43,482 And the mom said, "Tell this lady you're sorry 296 00:17:43,482 --> 00:17:45,896 and everything you told her was a lie." 297 00:17:45,896 --> 00:17:49,310 And Natalia was standing even worse than usual. 298 00:17:49,310 --> 00:17:53,206 And, "I'm sorry, everything I told you was a lie." 299 00:17:53,206 --> 00:17:56,586 And I was going, "Well, what do you mean? 300 00:17:56,586 --> 00:17:58,793 What's going on?" 301 00:17:58,793 --> 00:18:00,482 The mom didn't say, "I'm her mother." 302 00:18:00,482 --> 00:18:02,862 Natalia said, "This is my mom." 303 00:18:04,689 --> 00:18:06,000 [beeping] 304 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,689 [Michael] Well, I deleted everything. 305 00:18:08,689 --> 00:18:12,758 Deleted all the phone calls and all the text messages to her, right? 306 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,103 Here. 307 00:18:16,103 --> 00:18:17,551 And now you can't even talk to her. 308 00:18:19,275 --> 00:18:20,344 Oh. 309 00:18:23,172 --> 00:18:27,103 Michael wiped the contacts out on Natalia's phone, 310 00:18:27,103 --> 00:18:31,172 including Heather Wilson's contact information at DCS 311 00:18:31,172 --> 00:18:35,206 because, specifically because he did not want her 312 00:18:35,206 --> 00:18:36,896 to be able to call Heather Wilson. 313 00:18:36,896 --> 00:18:39,000 Michael had something to hide. 314 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,586 He did not want her reporting to Social Services something about them. 315 00:18:42,586 --> 00:18:45,793 Because, why not let her talk to them? She needs help. 316 00:18:45,793 --> 00:18:47,862 Why not let her get some help? 317 00:18:47,862 --> 00:18:49,758 What is he hiding? 318 00:19:00,379 --> 00:19:02,379 [Sue] Having Natalia live by you, 319 00:19:02,379 --> 00:19:04,655 well, at first, it was okay. 320 00:19:05,586 --> 00:19:09,000 And then, she started sitting on our doorsteps, 321 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,275 waiting for us to come home. 322 00:19:11,275 --> 00:19:14,344 And, uh, then she'd follow us in the house. 323 00:19:15,551 --> 00:19:18,000 In my house, the few times she was there, 324 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,862 she'd walk through and look at things 325 00:19:19,862 --> 00:19:21,689 and pick things up and look at it 326 00:19:21,689 --> 00:19:23,931 just, like, she was casing the joint. 327 00:19:28,862 --> 00:19:30,689 It was always in the back of your mind, 328 00:19:30,689 --> 00:19:34,758 "Is she gonna be around? Is she watching? Is she coming over?" 329 00:19:34,758 --> 00:19:36,758 Like, you know, even when we would leave, 330 00:19:36,758 --> 00:19:40,000 you know, peeking out the window, the front window, 331 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,275 like, "Is she there? Is she watching? Can I leave?" 332 00:19:42,275 --> 00:19:45,275 Because I wanna go somewhere, I don't wanna get trapped in a conversation. 333 00:19:45,275 --> 00:19:48,034 I still talk to her. I just had to kind of enforce 334 00:19:48,034 --> 00:19:52,379 boundaries a little bit more, because, if not, 335 00:19:52,379 --> 00:19:54,275 the minute we are home, she would come over 336 00:19:54,275 --> 00:19:56,241 or she would call me constantly. 337 00:19:57,586 --> 00:20:01,965 She knew when people come or when they come home or when they left 338 00:20:01,965 --> 00:20:04,827 and she was really a pest to everybody. 339 00:20:06,275 --> 00:20:07,344 [sighs] 340 00:20:08,482 --> 00:20:10,275 [dog barking] 341 00:20:10,275 --> 00:20:12,172 [Melanie] She would call and text me a lot, 342 00:20:12,172 --> 00:20:14,448 which was fine. I mean, I... I just think 343 00:20:14,448 --> 00:20:19,103 she was very lonely over there, and didn't have a lot of people around her. 344 00:20:19,103 --> 00:20:20,896 [Toby] Our neighbors have our phone number, 345 00:20:20,896 --> 00:20:24,034 and so if they need anything, they know they can call us. 346 00:20:24,034 --> 00:20:25,758 They know that they can pop over, 347 00:20:25,758 --> 00:20:28,482 um, ask us for something, they need help. 348 00:20:28,482 --> 00:20:32,448 We just try... I mean, it's the Midwestern thing, just be a good neighbor. 349 00:20:32,448 --> 00:20:34,586 And, uh, you know, if you're a good neighbor, 350 00:20:34,586 --> 00:20:35,896 we're gonna be a good neighbor. 351 00:20:35,896 --> 00:20:37,689 We'll help each other out. 352 00:20:37,689 --> 00:20:38,931 It's that kind of vibe. 353 00:20:39,862 --> 00:20:41,103 Um... 354 00:20:41,862 --> 00:20:44,862 That was quickly taken advantage of, 355 00:20:44,862 --> 00:20:49,551 um, in the sense that Natalia would call a lot 356 00:20:49,551 --> 00:20:51,482 to see when we would be home. 357 00:20:51,482 --> 00:20:54,275 Um, we would be out, like, a soccer game for our son, 358 00:20:54,275 --> 00:20:56,586 and she would call two-three times. 359 00:20:56,586 --> 00:21:01,034 To the point where, like, "Hey, you gotta stop calling us, please." 360 00:21:01,034 --> 00:21:02,689 It's like, I just had to tell her, 361 00:21:02,689 --> 00:21:04,689 you know, I wasn't offended. 362 00:21:04,689 --> 00:21:06,448 It was just more like, you know, 363 00:21:06,448 --> 00:21:08,241 "Natalia, we're busy," like... 364 00:21:09,275 --> 00:21:12,379 "I'm trying to enjoy my son's soccer game, 365 00:21:12,379 --> 00:21:16,275 so, um... I need you not to call me, 366 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,448 and I'll call you when I get home." 367 00:21:18,448 --> 00:21:20,275 You know, but as soon as we got home, 368 00:21:20,275 --> 00:21:23,103 she saw that our... our car pull in the driveway, 369 00:21:23,103 --> 00:21:24,965 she would shoot right across the street, 370 00:21:24,965 --> 00:21:26,379 and try to, you know, 371 00:21:26,379 --> 00:21:28,103 before we had time to decompress, 372 00:21:28,103 --> 00:21:29,896 anything like that, um, 373 00:21:29,896 --> 00:21:32,034 latched on pretty quick, 374 00:21:32,034 --> 00:21:33,586 to wanting to know where we were, 375 00:21:33,586 --> 00:21:35,172 when we were gonna be home, 376 00:21:35,172 --> 00:21:36,931 um, at all times. 377 00:21:44,034 --> 00:21:46,689 [Sue] Nobody liked her. Nobody. 378 00:21:46,689 --> 00:21:48,758 They kind of felt sorry for her, 379 00:21:48,758 --> 00:21:50,793 but they were leery about her, 380 00:21:50,793 --> 00:21:52,896 and really didn't want her around, 381 00:21:52,896 --> 00:21:55,379 and everybody was complaining all the time, 382 00:21:55,379 --> 00:21:57,379 about her calling the office 383 00:21:57,379 --> 00:22:00,793 and saying that she's waiting on your doorstep, 384 00:22:00,793 --> 00:22:03,275 and just, really eerie. 385 00:22:03,275 --> 00:22:04,965 They said, "We know, we're watching her, 386 00:22:04,965 --> 00:22:06,862 but we have to take certain steps 387 00:22:06,862 --> 00:22:10,034 to evict somebody, and we're taking the process. 388 00:22:10,034 --> 00:22:11,793 I said, "Well, good." 389 00:22:11,793 --> 00:22:14,275 [building manager on phone] I think people were creeped out by her. 390 00:22:14,275 --> 00:22:15,965 This sounds so terrible, that... 391 00:22:15,965 --> 00:22:18,275 anytime there was, like, a siting of her, 392 00:22:18,275 --> 00:22:20,275 it's like, someone came to me and said, 393 00:22:20,275 --> 00:22:22,689 "I saw her today in this... She was doing," like... 394 00:22:22,689 --> 00:22:24,862 She was, like, the talk of the town. 395 00:22:28,689 --> 00:22:31,172 [Sue] I come home one day and Natalia was in the house, 396 00:22:31,862 --> 00:22:35,103 had my refrigerator door open. 397 00:22:35,103 --> 00:22:38,482 Getting a Coke, getting chips, and just looking around. 398 00:22:38,482 --> 00:22:41,655 And I said, "You don't need to be back here. You go back up front." 399 00:22:42,689 --> 00:22:45,172 And, uh, after that, 400 00:22:46,482 --> 00:22:48,344 I started locking my doors. 401 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:51,482 And then, my neighbor said, 402 00:22:51,482 --> 00:22:54,379 she'd come in to her house one time, I think, 403 00:22:54,379 --> 00:22:55,758 and she didn't like it either, 404 00:22:55,758 --> 00:22:57,793 so she started locking her screen doors 405 00:22:57,793 --> 00:23:00,275 so she couldn't get in. 406 00:23:00,275 --> 00:23:03,551 [woman] But she was always hungry, always wanting food. 407 00:23:03,551 --> 00:23:06,103 She's a sly fox, 408 00:23:06,103 --> 00:23:10,758 'cause she could con you in... in just, her way. 409 00:23:12,172 --> 00:23:15,551 And everybody dreaded it. She was scary. 410 00:23:18,034 --> 00:23:19,655 [line ringing] 411 00:23:22,758 --> 00:23:24,344 [operator speaking] 412 00:23:25,758 --> 00:23:27,344 [Natalia on phone] 413 00:23:33,862 --> 00:23:36,689 [operator on phone] 414 00:23:36,689 --> 00:23:38,896 [Beth] While living at the Union Street apartments, 415 00:23:38,896 --> 00:23:42,482 Natalia calls the police on herself 416 00:23:42,482 --> 00:23:45,862 to tell them that she'd been stalking a neighbor 417 00:23:45,862 --> 00:23:49,551 and she had thoughts of wanting to harm others. 418 00:23:49,551 --> 00:23:50,862 [operator on phone] 419 00:23:50,862 --> 00:23:52,103 [Natalia on phone] 420 00:23:52,862 --> 00:23:54,103 [man] I'm aware that Natalia 421 00:23:54,103 --> 00:23:56,034 contacted 911 a couple of times 422 00:23:56,034 --> 00:23:58,103 while she was living in that apartment, 423 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,655 and told the officers that she was attempting 424 00:24:00,655 --> 00:24:02,172 to burn down her apartment complex 425 00:24:02,172 --> 00:24:05,551 using her microwave, trying to start a fire in her microwave, 426 00:24:05,551 --> 00:24:06,931 [Natalia on phone] 427 00:24:08,551 --> 00:24:13,103 [Sue] Right after that, she was always acting really strange. 428 00:24:13,793 --> 00:24:16,034 One day, we got to talking, I said, 429 00:24:16,034 --> 00:24:19,793 "Why aren't you living with your mom and dad?" And she goes, 430 00:24:19,793 --> 00:24:22,275 "Oh, they're afraid of me." I said, "Why?" 431 00:24:22,275 --> 00:24:24,758 And she says, "'Cause I took a knife to them one night," 432 00:24:24,758 --> 00:24:28,620 you know, and she just had this strange look in her eye, like... 433 00:24:29,172 --> 00:24:30,655 it's a normal thing. 434 00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:34,862 It wasn't... 435 00:24:34,862 --> 00:24:37,965 It wasn't until she started talking to me more in depth 436 00:24:37,965 --> 00:24:40,172 about the history with her family, 437 00:24:40,172 --> 00:24:42,965 and she said, "Well, I tried to kill my mom." 438 00:24:42,965 --> 00:24:45,965 And I just was asking her more questions like, 439 00:24:45,965 --> 00:24:48,655 "Well, what happened? How did you try to do that?" 440 00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:50,758 "I stood over them with a knife, 441 00:24:50,758 --> 00:24:53,034 so they took all the knives away. 442 00:24:53,034 --> 00:24:54,862 And then, I tried to poison them, 443 00:24:54,862 --> 00:24:57,034 so I had to live in the garage for a while." 444 00:24:57,034 --> 00:24:59,034 Like a serial killer or something. 445 00:24:59,034 --> 00:25:00,655 It's how casually they put 446 00:25:00,655 --> 00:25:02,827 "attempted murder" into a conversation. 447 00:25:04,793 --> 00:25:07,275 Like, "So what?" 448 00:25:07,275 --> 00:25:08,896 You know, "Oh, well." 449 00:25:08,896 --> 00:25:12,275 "Oh, gee, I pulled a knife on my parents. Big deal." 450 00:25:12,275 --> 00:25:15,862 You know, that's the attitude you got from her. 451 00:25:18,965 --> 00:25:21,172 This is kind of like, "What?" [chuckles] 452 00:25:21,172 --> 00:25:23,172 What do we do with this information? 453 00:25:23,172 --> 00:25:25,482 We're not social workers, we're not therapists. 454 00:25:25,482 --> 00:25:28,689 Like, why would you tell me that? 455 00:25:28,689 --> 00:25:31,689 And how do you expect me to handle this information? 456 00:25:31,689 --> 00:25:34,172 You know, it was hard for us to understand 457 00:25:34,172 --> 00:25:38,172 how she was just left in that apartment by herself. 458 00:25:38,172 --> 00:25:41,655 Well, she just freely offered up that she... 459 00:25:42,758 --> 00:25:45,034 tried to kill her mom, you know? 460 00:25:45,034 --> 00:25:48,034 Like, that's... weird. 461 00:25:48,034 --> 00:25:53,103 But then, I also think, if I had somebody in my home, 462 00:25:53,103 --> 00:25:58,448 that I thought was, um, a threat to my other kids, 463 00:25:59,103 --> 00:26:01,103 you know, what would I do? 464 00:26:01,103 --> 00:26:04,034 Like, again, if I thought she was a child 465 00:26:04,034 --> 00:26:05,758 that couldn't take care of herself, 466 00:26:05,758 --> 00:26:08,172 this would be a different conversation. 467 00:26:08,172 --> 00:26:11,586 But at what point do I start worrying about, 468 00:26:11,586 --> 00:26:14,034 if I cut ties with this person, 469 00:26:14,034 --> 00:26:15,586 it's like a bad breakup. 470 00:26:15,586 --> 00:26:16,793 Like... [chuckles] 471 00:26:16,793 --> 00:26:21,172 "If I break up with you, are you going to go crazy? 472 00:26:21,172 --> 00:26:23,586 If I help, and then, all of a sudden, I don't help, 473 00:26:23,586 --> 00:26:26,103 are you gonna be standing over my bed at the end of the night, 474 00:26:26,103 --> 00:26:27,448 you know, with a knife?" 475 00:26:38,448 --> 00:26:41,551 [Beth] The Department of Children Services spent weeks 476 00:26:41,551 --> 00:26:44,758 investigating Natalia at Union Street apartments. 477 00:26:44,758 --> 00:26:48,000 But DCS investigation can't really go very far 478 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,172 because that is solid legal ground, 479 00:26:52,172 --> 00:26:54,482 um, from the judge, you know, who signed the order, 480 00:26:54,482 --> 00:26:56,379 that she's 22, she's an adult. 481 00:26:56,379 --> 00:26:58,896 So the Department of Children Services 482 00:26:58,896 --> 00:27:00,793 have no jurisdiction over this. 483 00:27:00,793 --> 00:27:02,793 So, Michael and Kristine Barnett 484 00:27:02,793 --> 00:27:05,965 did not have to worry about Social Services anymore. 485 00:27:09,241 --> 00:27:12,103 [woman] You could just tell she was an adult person! 486 00:27:12,103 --> 00:27:13,689 You could just tell! 487 00:27:13,689 --> 00:27:15,896 She wasn't a little 11-year-old 488 00:27:15,896 --> 00:27:18,379 that they left here or wherever. 489 00:27:18,379 --> 00:27:20,344 She had to be 25! 490 00:27:20,758 --> 00:27:23,000 And, um, you know, 491 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,551 she had some... breasts and stuff, you know. 492 00:27:26,551 --> 00:27:30,000 She wore undergarments that adults would probably wear, 493 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,896 and she had a bra on underneath her shirt, 494 00:27:32,896 --> 00:27:35,172 and... and you could see the straps of that. 495 00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:37,172 She spoke very fluently. 496 00:27:37,172 --> 00:27:39,172 She didn't talk like an 8-year-old. 497 00:27:39,172 --> 00:27:41,310 She talked like an... an adult. 498 00:27:44,172 --> 00:27:47,793 [building manager on phone] She was, um, coming into my office every day 499 00:27:47,793 --> 00:27:50,758 and get candy 'cause there was, like, a candy bowl, 500 00:27:50,758 --> 00:27:53,172 and, um, just sit and talk to me 501 00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:55,379 and it was weird and I would... 502 00:27:55,379 --> 00:27:58,448 I have asked her specifically, "How old are you?" 503 00:27:58,448 --> 00:28:01,896 And she just, kind of, shrugged her shoulders 504 00:28:01,896 --> 00:28:03,655 and said, "I don't know." 505 00:28:03,655 --> 00:28:06,344 She may have been a child 506 00:28:06,344 --> 00:28:09,793 because that is something, like, a child would do. 507 00:28:09,793 --> 00:28:12,551 Go into an office that you know has candy every day. 508 00:28:12,551 --> 00:28:14,068 Once you become friends with someone, 509 00:28:14,068 --> 00:28:15,758 you just walk into their house. 510 00:28:15,758 --> 00:28:18,068 I feel like a lot of the things that she did, 511 00:28:18,068 --> 00:28:19,655 were very childlike. 512 00:28:19,655 --> 00:28:22,137 She did show characteristics of a youngster. 513 00:28:22,137 --> 00:28:24,758 When she was playing with my grandson, 514 00:28:24,758 --> 00:28:26,103 who at the time, would've been 515 00:28:26,103 --> 00:28:28,379 a couple of months shy of four years old, 516 00:28:28,379 --> 00:28:30,448 she seemed like a child having a great time 517 00:28:30,448 --> 00:28:31,862 playing with a playmate. 518 00:28:32,482 --> 00:28:33,724 [both laughing] 519 00:28:35,758 --> 00:28:37,137 And when she'd interact with us, 520 00:28:37,137 --> 00:28:38,793 she seemed like an adult to us. 521 00:28:38,793 --> 00:28:40,896 It's okay, it'll get straightened out. 522 00:28:40,896 --> 00:28:42,241 I just thought, well, maybe, you know, 523 00:28:42,241 --> 00:28:44,896 she has a easier time connecting with children 524 00:28:44,896 --> 00:28:46,689 'cause they're easier to talk to, 525 00:28:46,689 --> 00:28:48,482 at times, less judgmental. 526 00:28:48,482 --> 00:28:51,172 And so maybe it was just easier. 527 00:28:51,172 --> 00:28:54,482 You know, everybody was leery about her and uneasy. 528 00:28:54,482 --> 00:28:56,896 And she even talked about her brothers, 529 00:28:56,896 --> 00:29:02,000 saying that the parents didn't trust her around the... the boys. 530 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,103 And she goes... I said, "Why not?" 531 00:29:04,103 --> 00:29:06,551 And she goes, "Well, you know why." 532 00:29:06,551 --> 00:29:09,000 I said, "Was you doing things you shouldn't?" 533 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,275 She goes, "Well, probably." 534 00:29:11,275 --> 00:29:14,137 So, you know, just like, c'est la vie. 535 00:29:16,344 --> 00:29:19,689 Weird too, she would wanna know when our son would be home. 536 00:29:19,689 --> 00:29:22,137 And not our daughter, but our son. 537 00:29:22,137 --> 00:29:25,793 I don't really remember her having interactions with our daughter. 538 00:29:25,793 --> 00:29:31,172 That's when things went from uncomfortable to... to weird, 539 00:29:31,172 --> 00:29:33,379 and almost borderline inappropriate. 540 00:29:33,379 --> 00:29:36,103 So he... She would come across the street 541 00:29:36,103 --> 00:29:38,000 when he was waiting for the bus, 542 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,551 um, where he would be out there by himself, 543 00:29:40,551 --> 00:29:42,000 um, waiting for the bus. 544 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,655 And he was eight or nine, 545 00:29:44,655 --> 00:29:46,275 nine years old at the time. 546 00:29:46,275 --> 00:29:50,655 So, old enough to be out there by himself but, um, 547 00:29:50,655 --> 00:29:52,482 you know, it just got to be a point 548 00:29:52,482 --> 00:29:55,965 where we felt uncomfortable as parents, um... 549 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,655 Again, not knowing how to handle this situation 550 00:29:59,655 --> 00:30:01,344 was somebody like Natalia. 551 00:30:03,655 --> 00:30:06,689 [Sue] If you didn't keep your screen doors locked, she walked in, 552 00:30:06,689 --> 00:30:08,862 because one day, I come home, 553 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,068 my grandson and his friend was playing Xbox. 554 00:30:14,551 --> 00:30:17,206 And I walked in and I said, "What's going on?" 555 00:30:22,448 --> 00:30:25,275 And he said, "She got to hanging around 556 00:30:25,275 --> 00:30:28,000 too close to their chairs." 557 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,241 And rubbing up, you know, leaning on them and stuff. 558 00:30:31,241 --> 00:30:34,793 It made my grandson feel uncomfortable, 559 00:30:34,793 --> 00:30:38,448 so he told Natalia, "Get out of here!" 560 00:30:39,275 --> 00:30:41,758 And slammed the door on her face. 561 00:30:41,758 --> 00:30:45,896 I thought, how dare you try to do anything to my grandson. 562 00:30:45,896 --> 00:30:48,965 I thought... [grunts] I just wanted to go after her. [chuckles] 563 00:30:49,896 --> 00:30:51,655 And I told my grandson, I said, 564 00:30:51,655 --> 00:30:55,724 "Don't ever let her in here, especially if I'm not home." 565 00:30:57,172 --> 00:30:59,793 [Toby] A lady from the apartment complex had come over 566 00:30:59,793 --> 00:31:03,241 and I think she spoke to my wife about, um, an incident 567 00:31:03,241 --> 00:31:07,068 and just, she knew we had smaller kids, so just to be careful. 568 00:31:07,068 --> 00:31:10,551 [Melanie] She came over and... and it's very serious, 569 00:31:10,551 --> 00:31:12,379 was worrying us about some things 570 00:31:12,379 --> 00:31:14,482 that had happened with Natalia. 571 00:31:14,482 --> 00:31:17,724 And just that we need to be careful with our kids. 572 00:31:18,655 --> 00:31:22,379 And, um, I think it bordered on almost like, 573 00:31:22,379 --> 00:31:25,379 "You need to not have her over to your house," 574 00:31:25,379 --> 00:31:27,517 which, I mean, 575 00:31:28,655 --> 00:31:32,896 I appreciate being warned if there's a situation, 576 00:31:32,896 --> 00:31:34,586 um, but at the same time, 577 00:31:34,586 --> 00:31:38,482 we can take that information and make our own judgments 578 00:31:38,482 --> 00:31:40,413 and make our own decisions for our family. 579 00:31:46,551 --> 00:31:48,896 One day, we heard the door open, 580 00:31:48,896 --> 00:31:51,068 and our dog just started going crazy. 581 00:31:51,793 --> 00:31:55,172 And we kind of, like, ran out front 582 00:31:55,172 --> 00:31:57,482 to the living room area, where the front door was. 583 00:31:57,482 --> 00:31:58,965 And Natalia was there. 584 00:32:04,896 --> 00:32:06,448 [Toby] We got upset 585 00:32:06,448 --> 00:32:09,586 when she came into our house without permission 586 00:32:09,586 --> 00:32:11,896 and started going towards our son's bedroom, 587 00:32:11,896 --> 00:32:13,793 which was in the back of the house. 588 00:32:13,793 --> 00:32:17,241 Luckily, we had a chihuahua at the time, 589 00:32:17,241 --> 00:32:19,896 that was small but fierce. 590 00:32:19,896 --> 00:32:23,137 And, uh, she was very scared of the chihuahua. 591 00:32:25,758 --> 00:32:30,344 Um, and that's when we started to distance ourselves 592 00:32:30,344 --> 00:32:32,344 by saying, you know, 593 00:32:32,344 --> 00:32:34,448 "I'm sorry, Natalia, we're not gonna be home for a while." 594 00:32:34,448 --> 00:32:37,655 Or "Hey, we're really busy, we got a lot of things to do." 595 00:32:37,655 --> 00:32:41,482 Not be as blunt as we probably should have. 596 00:32:41,482 --> 00:32:44,896 Um, but again, not knowing her mental level, 597 00:32:44,896 --> 00:32:48,275 not knowing how she can handle rejection, things like that. 598 00:32:48,275 --> 00:32:50,793 You know, I remember my wife and I having conversations about her. 599 00:32:50,793 --> 00:32:52,655 Like, "How do we let her down? 600 00:32:52,655 --> 00:32:54,965 'Cause this is getting too much, it's too much." 601 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,724 Is that going to be the point where she snaps? 602 00:33:03,344 --> 00:33:07,551 [Sue] Well, nobody let their kids out about, uh, around her and everything 603 00:33:07,551 --> 00:33:11,620 after they heard about what she tried with the neighbor's little boy. 604 00:33:12,448 --> 00:33:14,482 It was just, like, you had to... 605 00:33:14,482 --> 00:33:17,000 Everybody had to watch out for this person. 606 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,827 One person that was taking over everything. 607 00:33:26,137 --> 00:33:30,620 Having Natalia live by you is like a Hitchcock movie. 608 00:33:33,137 --> 00:33:35,344 And you got so you hated to go out your door 609 00:33:35,344 --> 00:33:38,310 because you didn't know if she's gonna be out there waiting on ya. 610 00:33:40,551 --> 00:33:43,620 Or if you'd walk out to the mailbox, here she is. 611 00:33:45,896 --> 00:33:47,413 [building manager on phone] She would start walking 612 00:33:47,413 --> 00:33:50,000 into people's apartments without even knocking. 613 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,275 Just going in their house 614 00:33:51,275 --> 00:33:52,655 and getting into their cupboards 615 00:33:52,655 --> 00:33:54,551 and eating their food. 616 00:33:54,551 --> 00:33:57,344 And then, we have a landscaping crew. 617 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,517 And she would, like, hide behind the bushes. 618 00:34:02,793 --> 00:34:05,965 Then kind of pop out at them and that would scare them. 619 00:34:08,447 --> 00:34:14,000 She seemed to hang around all the older... real old guys a lot. 620 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,275 And, uh, she was trying sexual... 621 00:34:17,275 --> 00:34:19,551 and talking sexual things to 'em. 622 00:34:19,551 --> 00:34:22,137 Fred was in there doing his laundry. 623 00:34:31,034 --> 00:34:32,447 And she walked in, 624 00:34:32,447 --> 00:34:35,551 and he just thought she was coming in there 625 00:34:35,551 --> 00:34:39,068 to be friendly or something, because she couldn't reach the coins, 626 00:34:39,068 --> 00:34:41,344 didn't do her own laundry, of course. 627 00:34:42,585 --> 00:34:45,275 And I guess she started talking, you know, 628 00:34:45,275 --> 00:34:49,000 sexual and crude things to him, 629 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,516 and trying to ease up to him and stuff. 630 00:34:52,516 --> 00:34:55,413 He said, "I was so uneasy and uptight with her. 631 00:34:55,413 --> 00:34:57,000 I just wanted to get out of there. 632 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,172 I almost left my clothes." [chuckling] 633 00:35:00,172 --> 00:35:02,793 But he said, "I finally got away from her." 634 00:35:02,793 --> 00:35:07,689 And he said, "I never want to be in that laundry room again with her." [chuckling] 635 00:35:07,689 --> 00:35:12,551 [woman] You could believe this man if you knew this man. She, um... 636 00:35:12,551 --> 00:35:15,896 -What is the word? She offered him sex. -[interviewer] Mmm-hmm. 637 00:35:15,896 --> 00:35:18,068 [woman] And he said, "Get away from me." 638 00:35:20,172 --> 00:35:24,275 [Sue] Natalia went up front and there was an older guy out there, 639 00:35:24,275 --> 00:35:27,517 and she'd go in there for two or three hours at a time. 640 00:35:28,172 --> 00:35:30,965 And she went to his house a lot. 641 00:35:33,551 --> 00:35:37,793 [woman] She said that she was living in a house of prostitution downtown, 642 00:35:37,793 --> 00:35:40,551 and that she saw prostitutes and she did prostitution, 643 00:35:40,551 --> 00:35:42,896 before she came here, somewhere in Indianapolis. 644 00:35:42,896 --> 00:35:44,689 I didn't believe her 645 00:35:44,689 --> 00:35:47,448 because that's how she talked, in circles. 646 00:35:47,448 --> 00:35:49,413 [suspenseful music playing] 647 00:35:56,068 --> 00:35:58,275 One day, I see a little boy 648 00:35:58,275 --> 00:36:01,068 rolling around in the grass and everything, and... 649 00:36:01,068 --> 00:36:03,793 I said, "Well, I'm going in." And she said, "Okay." 650 00:36:03,793 --> 00:36:06,620 So she went down to the neighbor's house. 651 00:36:07,551 --> 00:36:09,137 [woman] You know how you roll down a hill? 652 00:36:09,896 --> 00:36:12,172 They were laying, Natalia and him 653 00:36:12,172 --> 00:36:14,758 were laying, rolling back and forth. 654 00:36:17,344 --> 00:36:19,275 [Sue] And then the next thing I know, 655 00:36:19,275 --> 00:36:21,344 she was close to the little boy. 656 00:36:22,275 --> 00:36:24,793 And Natalia reached over. 657 00:36:24,793 --> 00:36:26,896 [woman] And started undoing his pants. 658 00:36:26,896 --> 00:36:29,586 And I said, "Natalia, what are you doing!" 659 00:36:35,137 --> 00:36:37,034 [Sue] And that's when the dad come to the door, 660 00:36:37,034 --> 00:36:40,000 grabbed up his son and was yelling at her. 661 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,551 [woman] He said, "If you ever touch my son again," 662 00:36:43,551 --> 00:36:46,000 you know, he was just the dad enraged. 663 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,413 [Sue] And she took off and went up front. 664 00:36:48,413 --> 00:36:52,034 [woman] Doing that with that little boy? In front of us? 665 00:36:52,034 --> 00:36:55,344 God knows what she does, you know, behind closed doors. 666 00:36:55,344 --> 00:36:57,137 It's so sick! 667 00:37:12,655 --> 00:37:19,000 In Westville, you admitted to knocking on, um, 668 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,793 your neighbor's door and playing with her children? 669 00:37:21,793 --> 00:37:23,241 Yes. 670 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,172 Do you remember harming any one of their children? 671 00:37:26,172 --> 00:37:27,517 [Natalia] No. 672 00:37:28,586 --> 00:37:30,482 I never did that. 673 00:37:33,172 --> 00:37:36,517 [building manager on phone] There had been several complaints 674 00:37:36,517 --> 00:37:40,000 about her disturbing neighbors and whatnot, 675 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,034 and they had said that she was playing with these kids, 676 00:37:43,034 --> 00:37:45,000 and that was just kind of weird, 677 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,034 that, you know, an adult was playing 678 00:37:47,034 --> 00:37:49,586 with little kids like the way that she was, 679 00:37:49,586 --> 00:37:52,241 like, rolling around with them, and, uh... 680 00:37:52,241 --> 00:37:56,241 One person said that it looked like she was being inappropriate with them, 681 00:37:56,241 --> 00:37:58,551 like, touching them inappropriately, 682 00:37:58,551 --> 00:38:00,689 and as the rules, 683 00:38:00,689 --> 00:38:04,034 technically, like, if we get three complaints or more, 684 00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:07,413 we have the ability to not renew someone. 685 00:38:08,344 --> 00:38:10,206 She was there for a year. 686 00:38:10,793 --> 00:38:12,551 Uh, and then her lease is up. 687 00:38:12,551 --> 00:38:15,413 The apartment complex is not gonna renew the lease. 688 00:38:15,413 --> 00:38:18,068 So Kristine goes apartment hunting with Natalia. 689 00:38:18,068 --> 00:38:19,586 She goes to Lafayette, Indiana. 690 00:38:21,344 --> 00:38:24,000 We know a little bit about the town, we went to college there. 691 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,793 She and I, we both went to Purdue. 692 00:38:25,793 --> 00:38:28,034 So we know a bit about the town. 693 00:38:28,034 --> 00:38:30,551 Kristine finds an apartment for her. 694 00:38:30,551 --> 00:38:32,793 Very recently before that, within weeks, 695 00:38:32,793 --> 00:38:35,068 we had found out we were going to be moving to Canada 696 00:38:35,068 --> 00:38:36,758 to support my son's education. 697 00:38:37,896 --> 00:38:41,551 The Perimeter Institute in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, 698 00:38:41,551 --> 00:38:44,068 wants Jacob, who is 14, 699 00:38:44,068 --> 00:38:47,862 to go there for a year to do his master's. 700 00:38:48,896 --> 00:38:50,793 But I didn't know at the time, 701 00:38:50,793 --> 00:38:53,068 that it was going to be a very, 702 00:38:53,068 --> 00:38:55,517 very bad last year of marriage. 703 00:38:58,793 --> 00:39:02,793 Natalia had been the subject of so many reports, 704 00:39:02,793 --> 00:39:05,344 whether it was Adult Protective Services, 705 00:39:05,344 --> 00:39:08,896 Child Protective Services, the Westville police, 706 00:39:08,896 --> 00:39:10,793 that the Barnetts were fed up with it. 707 00:39:10,793 --> 00:39:12,793 They needed her out of that county. 708 00:39:12,793 --> 00:39:14,551 But what happened in Lafayette 709 00:39:14,551 --> 00:39:17,620 is the beginning of the end for the Barnetts, 710 00:39:18,793 --> 00:39:21,275 Did you agree to go to Lafayette? 711 00:39:21,275 --> 00:39:24,344 No. I didn't know where we were going, she just took me. 712 00:39:25,275 --> 00:39:27,793 So you say she just took you to Lafayette? 713 00:39:27,793 --> 00:39:29,034 Yes. 714 00:39:30,068 --> 00:39:32,655 And then what happened when you went to Lafayette? 715 00:39:32,655 --> 00:39:36,448 Uh, we went and looked at an apartment. 716 00:39:36,448 --> 00:39:39,068 And you wanted to stay in that apartment? 717 00:39:39,068 --> 00:39:43,103 I didn't, but Kristine told me that that's where I was gonna be living. 718 00:39:43,896 --> 00:39:45,586 So you didn't wanna live there? 719 00:39:45,586 --> 00:39:47,344 -No. -Okay. 720 00:39:47,344 --> 00:39:50,137 What about the apartment in Westville? Did you wanna live there? 721 00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:52,793 No. She just got it for me. 722 00:39:52,793 --> 00:39:55,344 Okay. Well, where did you wanna live? 723 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,206 I wanted to live with Kristine. 724 00:40:01,896 --> 00:40:05,172 I wanted to be with my family. 725 00:40:05,172 --> 00:40:07,172 Or what I thought was my family. 726 00:40:07,172 --> 00:40:09,310 Why did you wanna live with Kristine? 727 00:40:10,448 --> 00:40:12,586 Because I didn't know what to do. 728 00:40:12,586 --> 00:40:15,448 Like, I didn't know at all what to do. 729 00:40:15,448 --> 00:40:17,068 I didn't know how to take care of myself. 730 00:40:17,068 --> 00:40:19,103 I didn't know how to be by myself. 731 00:40:20,551 --> 00:40:22,413 They got her out. [chuckles] 732 00:40:22,413 --> 00:40:25,137 So, everybody was so really... [imitates sighs] 733 00:40:26,413 --> 00:40:30,551 Everybody was really happy to see her go. [chuckles] 734 00:40:30,551 --> 00:40:33,689 [Melanie] So, one night, just like, overnight, Natalia was gone. 735 00:40:33,689 --> 00:40:36,172 And we didn't see her. 736 00:40:36,172 --> 00:40:42,000 And I tried to call her phone 737 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,965 and her phone was disconnected. 738 00:40:45,793 --> 00:40:48,344 We had no idea what happened to Natalia, 739 00:40:48,344 --> 00:40:50,000 but it was just that she was just gone. 740 00:40:52,034 --> 00:40:55,793 -[woman] Natalia. I don't know where she went after this. -[interviewer] Mmm-hmm. 741 00:40:55,793 --> 00:40:58,241 -[woman] I don't know anything. -[interviewer] Right. 742 00:40:59,034 --> 00:41:02,413 I think she's a little possessed, she is. 743 00:41:02,896 --> 00:41:05,241 That's all you can really say. 744 00:41:05,241 --> 00:41:08,137 She presents herself like a nice person, 745 00:41:08,137 --> 00:41:10,965 but she's really evil and devious. 746 00:41:12,413 --> 00:41:15,793 People think, well, she's small and she's deformed 747 00:41:15,793 --> 00:41:18,344 so she couldn't possibly do 748 00:41:18,344 --> 00:41:20,655 all this stuff everybody's saying. 749 00:41:20,655 --> 00:41:22,965 But they're wrong and she did do it. 750 00:41:24,034 --> 00:41:25,551 [Toby] I was there, I lived it, 751 00:41:25,551 --> 00:41:27,000 I lived through it. 752 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,172 I still don't have concrete answers. 753 00:41:30,172 --> 00:41:31,896 I don't know how old she is, 754 00:41:31,896 --> 00:41:34,413 I don't know if what she said was true. 755 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,655 Yes, that's, uh, is scary, that Natalia could still be doing this. 756 00:41:43,448 --> 00:41:46,413 That she can manipulate people, 757 00:41:46,413 --> 00:41:48,448 and you don't know, it's probably worse 758 00:41:48,448 --> 00:41:50,413 than what she did to our apartments. 759 00:41:52,275 --> 00:41:54,448 I don't think she stopped. 760 00:41:54,448 --> 00:41:58,482 She's always finding some other person to manipulate. 761 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,241 [interviewer] Can you tell me a little bit 762 00:42:04,241 --> 00:42:06,241 about the first time that you met Natalia? 763 00:42:07,137 --> 00:42:10,068 Uh, the first time I met Natalia was, um, 764 00:42:10,068 --> 00:42:14,275 I mean, it just really disturbed me, a lot. [chuckles nervously] 765 00:42:14,275 --> 00:42:14,896 Quite honestly.