1 00:00:00,586 --> 00:00:01,586 [line ringing] 2 00:00:35,103 --> 00:00:37,758 [theme music playing] 3 00:01:06,482 --> 00:01:07,586 My name's Bob Cooper. 4 00:01:09,620 --> 00:01:11,551 I'm a former Lafayette police detective. 5 00:01:13,724 --> 00:01:16,482 Oh, I handle everything from juvenile cases to homicides. 6 00:01:17,689 --> 00:01:19,275 When I was on the Lafayette Police Department, 7 00:01:19,275 --> 00:01:21,724 I... I think I had a... a reputation, 8 00:01:21,724 --> 00:01:23,586 um, for being a very good investigator. 9 00:01:25,206 --> 00:01:26,965 You know, I could say I... I care about justice. 10 00:01:27,482 --> 00:01:29,379 That's a cliche. 11 00:01:29,379 --> 00:01:32,000 What I enjoyed most about being a... a police detective 12 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,068 is the puzzles. 13 00:01:35,103 --> 00:01:37,172 I think one of the reasons that I'm so intrigued 14 00:01:37,172 --> 00:01:39,172 by the... the Barnett case 15 00:01:39,172 --> 00:01:41,448 is this is one of the most difficult ones I've had. 16 00:01:42,378 --> 00:01:44,000 It's like a Rubik's Cube. 17 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,517 It... It just continues to change. 18 00:01:45,517 --> 00:01:47,068 Just when you think you have it solved, 19 00:01:47,586 --> 00:01:48,689 you find out you don't. 20 00:01:55,172 --> 00:01:58,068 I think the Barnetts, when they adopted Natalia, 21 00:01:58,586 --> 00:02:00,068 they bought a pig in a poke. 22 00:02:00,068 --> 00:02:01,517 They didn't know what they were getting. 23 00:02:01,517 --> 00:02:03,068 It was more than they... they thought, 24 00:02:03,068 --> 00:02:04,482 that... that they bargained for. 25 00:02:04,482 --> 00:02:06,586 They bought a pig in a poke and they got rid of her. 26 00:02:14,172 --> 00:02:16,172 They put her in a apartment, Westfield, Indiana. 27 00:02:17,586 --> 00:02:19,275 Michael and... and Kristine, 28 00:02:19,275 --> 00:02:21,103 they would almost be a household word 29 00:02:21,103 --> 00:02:24,482 in the social services area in Westfield, Indiana 30 00:02:24,482 --> 00:02:26,724 because Natalia created more problems 31 00:02:26,724 --> 00:02:28,103 than they were expecting. 32 00:02:28,103 --> 00:02:31,275 Obviously, they were trying to get her out of that environment 33 00:02:31,275 --> 00:02:33,896 to an environment where she was not known. 34 00:02:33,896 --> 00:02:36,586 And so they finally move her to Lafayette, Indiana. 35 00:02:39,620 --> 00:02:42,344 "Let's get her out of our life," and they did. 36 00:02:45,275 --> 00:02:48,172 They move her an hour away to another county. 37 00:02:49,482 --> 00:02:50,793 There are more nice areas in Lafayette 38 00:02:50,793 --> 00:02:52,551 than there are run down neighborhoods. 39 00:02:54,724 --> 00:02:57,793 Where Natalia was placed in that apartment 40 00:02:57,793 --> 00:02:59,689 by herself, there's crime in the area. 41 00:03:01,068 --> 00:03:03,241 I think their goal was, "Out of sight, out of mind." 42 00:03:04,310 --> 00:03:05,379 This thing will go away. 43 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,413 But that didn't happen 44 00:03:07,413 --> 00:03:09,448 because Lafayette was a wrong town for them to bring her to. 45 00:03:11,793 --> 00:03:13,241 I just... I don't like bull [bleep]. 46 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:14,965 It's just me. 47 00:03:17,103 --> 00:03:18,896 [Michael] 2013. 48 00:03:18,896 --> 00:03:20,103 The Perimeter Institute 49 00:03:20,103 --> 00:03:22,517 in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, 50 00:03:22,517 --> 00:03:25,172 wants Jacob, who's 14, 51 00:03:25,172 --> 00:03:27,896 to go there to get his master's degree. 52 00:03:27,896 --> 00:03:30,068 So we're moving to Canada. 53 00:03:30,068 --> 00:03:32,275 You'll get those six combinations. 54 00:03:32,275 --> 00:03:34,620 Natalia, she had an apartment for a year 55 00:03:34,620 --> 00:03:36,482 on her own in Westfield, Indiana. 56 00:03:36,482 --> 00:03:38,689 Natalia's current lease is up. 57 00:03:38,689 --> 00:03:40,344 Another apartment needs to be found. 58 00:03:41,379 --> 00:03:42,517 Kristine and her go out 59 00:03:42,517 --> 00:03:44,551 and they find her an apartment in Lafayette, Indiana. 60 00:03:46,067 --> 00:03:47,689 This is the best place possible. 61 00:03:49,172 --> 00:03:53,620 I would happily, casually, stroll around that neighborhood. 62 00:03:53,620 --> 00:03:54,586 It is a nice part of town. 63 00:03:55,517 --> 00:03:58,310 This apartment is within two blocks 64 00:03:58,310 --> 00:04:00,896 of an adult GED center 65 00:04:00,896 --> 00:04:03,517 that she signed up for to get her GED. 66 00:04:03,517 --> 00:04:05,793 It's within two blocks of the bus route... 67 00:04:06,482 --> 00:04:07,793 a suicide prevention center, 68 00:04:07,793 --> 00:04:09,275 The Salvation Army, 69 00:04:09,275 --> 00:04:11,793 a local grocery store that takes her food stamp card. 70 00:04:11,793 --> 00:04:14,172 You couldn't draw a map 71 00:04:14,172 --> 00:04:15,793 and centralize her better 72 00:04:16,481 --> 00:04:17,620 to a place that could care for 73 00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:19,172 any one of her possible needs. 74 00:04:22,275 --> 00:04:23,896 [man] The Barnetts thought that this was it, 75 00:04:23,896 --> 00:04:24,965 problems are solved. 76 00:04:25,793 --> 00:04:27,724 They've washed their hands with this. 77 00:04:27,724 --> 00:04:29,586 Well, then of course, their nightmare ends. 78 00:04:31,275 --> 00:04:33,862 The nightmare being... being charged with child neglect. 79 00:04:34,724 --> 00:04:36,793 It actually became the beginning of the end. 80 00:04:41,896 --> 00:04:43,172 [girl shouting] Get off! 81 00:04:43,172 --> 00:04:45,724 -No, you are not getting that cheese. -No, no, no, no. 82 00:04:45,724 --> 00:04:46,689 You can't have that. 83 00:04:48,482 --> 00:04:49,896 My name is Kyna. 84 00:04:49,896 --> 00:04:51,793 I was Natalia's neighbor. 85 00:04:53,172 --> 00:04:54,793 -I have nine cats... -[cats meowing] 86 00:04:57,482 --> 00:04:58,448 ...two dogs... 87 00:04:59,724 --> 00:05:00,896 five kids... 88 00:05:00,896 --> 00:05:01,965 [speaking indistinctly] 89 00:05:02,896 --> 00:05:06,517 Yeah, I have all my kids tattooed on me. [chuckles] 90 00:05:06,517 --> 00:05:08,620 If we adopt him he'll be the sixth. 91 00:05:08,620 --> 00:05:10,000 [chuckles] I ran outta... 92 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,586 out of limbs, so I had to start 93 00:05:11,586 --> 00:05:13,172 put on one on another limb. [chuckling] 94 00:05:13,482 --> 00:05:14,620 [girl] Cheeto! 95 00:05:14,620 --> 00:05:15,620 -[cat meowing] -[dog barking] 96 00:05:15,620 --> 00:05:17,586 [girl] ...don't touch me, Cheeto. 97 00:05:17,586 --> 00:05:18,896 [sighs] Sorry, my house is so noisy. 98 00:05:18,896 --> 00:05:20,103 Uh, check my dogs either. 99 00:05:20,103 --> 00:05:21,965 I need to... I need to check them... 100 00:05:22,482 --> 00:05:23,482 ...don't lose it. 101 00:05:26,275 --> 00:05:28,379 I've lived in Lafayette my whole life, 102 00:05:28,379 --> 00:05:29,448 born and raised here. 103 00:05:30,068 --> 00:05:31,896 The first time I saw Natalia 104 00:05:31,896 --> 00:05:33,586 was when Michael and Kristine 105 00:05:33,586 --> 00:05:36,965 were moving Natalia into her apartment. 106 00:05:37,517 --> 00:05:39,379 And I just assumed 107 00:05:39,379 --> 00:05:40,586 that they were the ones 108 00:05:40,586 --> 00:05:42,068 moving into the apartment, 109 00:05:42,068 --> 00:05:43,551 but I never did see them again. 110 00:05:46,206 --> 00:05:47,724 The first time I met Natalia, 111 00:05:47,724 --> 00:05:49,724 she had come over to my house, knocked on the door. 112 00:05:49,724 --> 00:05:50,724 I was a little startled 113 00:05:50,724 --> 00:05:52,517 because I thought it was a little kid at my door. 114 00:05:52,517 --> 00:05:53,724 And then she explains to me 115 00:05:53,724 --> 00:05:54,896 that she is 22 116 00:05:54,896 --> 00:05:57,310 or she thought she was 22. 117 00:05:57,310 --> 00:05:58,586 And I thought that was a little bit strange 118 00:05:58,586 --> 00:06:00,724 that she thought she was 22. 119 00:06:00,724 --> 00:06:02,896 And Natalia said that she didn't have 120 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:04,000 any food over there, 121 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,620 in her home, in her apartment 122 00:06:05,620 --> 00:06:08,379 and that she needed to call her parents 123 00:06:08,379 --> 00:06:10,000 so that she could get some money. 124 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,206 When I handed the telephone, 125 00:06:11,206 --> 00:06:12,724 she didn't know what to do with it. 126 00:06:12,724 --> 00:06:13,689 It was like, uh... 127 00:06:14,517 --> 00:06:16,103 You know, like one of those reactions. 128 00:06:16,103 --> 00:06:18,517 Then I said, "Well, do you have the phone number?" 129 00:06:18,517 --> 00:06:20,172 "Um, no, I don't know it." 130 00:06:20,172 --> 00:06:21,103 So, then that... 131 00:06:21,103 --> 00:06:23,172 The phone, just kinda, just got put aside 132 00:06:23,172 --> 00:06:24,517 and it was, 133 00:06:24,517 --> 00:06:26,862 "Um, I'm really hungry. Could I have a sandwich?" 134 00:06:28,586 --> 00:06:30,482 I also thought it was strange 135 00:06:30,482 --> 00:06:31,793 that the Barnetts 136 00:06:31,793 --> 00:06:33,965 would put her in a second floor apartment. 137 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:37,724 To have to climb 16 steps 138 00:06:37,724 --> 00:06:40,413 plus the three or four on the outside, 139 00:06:40,413 --> 00:06:43,000 that's a lot of steps for someone that small. 140 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,241 She was struggling to climb those steps. 141 00:06:45,689 --> 00:06:47,586 I was kinda stunned. 142 00:06:48,172 --> 00:06:49,793 And even if she was 22, 143 00:06:49,793 --> 00:06:51,896 she has these disabilities, 144 00:06:51,896 --> 00:06:54,000 she has special needs. 145 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,482 Why would you get her a apartment 146 00:06:55,482 --> 00:06:57,586 that she can't navigate? 147 00:06:57,586 --> 00:07:00,379 Going down the steps is extremely dangerous, 148 00:07:00,379 --> 00:07:02,655 so, she could've fell at any point... 149 00:07:04,379 --> 00:07:06,000 and nobody would have known she'd fell. 150 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,206 Nobody would've known it. 151 00:07:07,206 --> 00:07:09,172 I mean, there's so many things that could've happened. 152 00:07:09,172 --> 00:07:10,965 I mean, what if she had burnt the house down? 153 00:07:11,379 --> 00:07:12,310 Uh, it would... 154 00:07:12,310 --> 00:07:14,275 Not only would she have died, 155 00:07:14,275 --> 00:07:15,620 you got all those people below her 156 00:07:15,620 --> 00:07:17,172 in those apartments that could've died. 157 00:07:18,620 --> 00:07:21,172 I just... I felt like she was kinda left to the wolves. 158 00:07:24,172 --> 00:07:26,620 We lived a block away from a village pantry 159 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:28,413 and there was vagrants 160 00:07:28,413 --> 00:07:29,896 uh, outside of that place 161 00:07:29,896 --> 00:07:31,724 and there was a homeless shelter. 162 00:07:31,724 --> 00:07:33,137 There's a lot of crime happening. 163 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:35,793 And, at any point, 164 00:07:35,793 --> 00:07:37,896 someone could have gotten her to go home with them. 165 00:07:37,896 --> 00:07:41,137 Or, could've just straight up picked her up and snatched her. 166 00:07:41,896 --> 00:07:42,965 Definitely not an area of town 167 00:07:42,965 --> 00:07:45,551 that I would let my kids walk around unattended. 168 00:07:46,206 --> 00:07:47,103 It's gotten to the point 169 00:07:47,103 --> 00:07:49,620 where not only do I carry a weapon 170 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:51,689 in my home, on my body, 171 00:07:51,689 --> 00:07:53,724 I carry a weapon outside of my home 172 00:07:53,724 --> 00:07:55,517 on my body at all times. 173 00:07:55,517 --> 00:07:58,379 It's a necessity to be armed. 174 00:07:59,793 --> 00:08:02,862 I hope Natalia knows that if I had... 175 00:08:03,896 --> 00:08:06,551 realized in... during that moment 176 00:08:07,413 --> 00:08:09,000 what was really going on, 177 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,586 I would've took action. 178 00:08:10,586 --> 00:08:13,034 I would've done something to help her. 179 00:08:16,172 --> 00:08:18,172 I just hope she's having a... a good life. 180 00:08:18,482 --> 00:08:20,068 [sniffles] 181 00:08:21,103 --> 00:08:24,103 And I... I hope she gets the justice she deserves. 182 00:08:24,103 --> 00:08:25,482 She deserves for, 183 00:08:25,482 --> 00:08:28,172 um, Kristine and Michael to... 184 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,586 to go to court. They need to see their day. 185 00:08:36,413 --> 00:08:38,068 Um... 186 00:08:38,068 --> 00:08:40,068 And she just... She just deserves to have... 187 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:42,758 um, a circle around her 188 00:08:43,206 --> 00:08:45,000 to make her feel safe. 189 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,965 I can't even imagine how scared she was. 190 00:08:47,310 --> 00:08:48,275 [sniffles] 191 00:08:49,896 --> 00:08:51,689 If she was 22, 192 00:08:51,689 --> 00:08:53,275 she, I'm sure, she'd still be scared. 193 00:08:53,275 --> 00:08:55,793 I mean, look how small she was. 194 00:08:55,793 --> 00:08:58,586 How, um, helpless she was. 195 00:08:59,172 --> 00:09:00,655 So, regardless of her age, 196 00:09:01,275 --> 00:09:02,344 she was very scared... 197 00:09:03,482 --> 00:09:04,586 and alone. 198 00:09:05,172 --> 00:09:06,275 [sniffles] 199 00:09:06,275 --> 00:09:08,586 And that situation should have never ever happened. 200 00:09:11,793 --> 00:09:14,689 The truth is, if I saw the Barnetts 201 00:09:14,689 --> 00:09:16,379 I probably wouldn't say really anything, 202 00:09:16,379 --> 00:09:17,482 I'd just start swinging. 203 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,275 So let's recap here. 204 00:10:00,724 --> 00:10:01,620 The Barnetts took 205 00:10:01,620 --> 00:10:03,655 a three foot tall, 206 00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:05,965 disabled little person, 207 00:10:06,620 --> 00:10:08,482 put her in an apartment 208 00:10:08,482 --> 00:10:09,896 on the second floor, 209 00:10:09,896 --> 00:10:11,689 where she's gotta scale stairs... 210 00:10:12,482 --> 00:10:14,000 that are dangerous, 211 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,482 given her disability. 212 00:10:16,896 --> 00:10:18,758 It's in a high crime neighborhood. 213 00:10:20,068 --> 00:10:21,517 She's in an apartment 214 00:10:21,517 --> 00:10:24,034 with no accommodations for her disability. 215 00:10:24,793 --> 00:10:26,103 Couldn't reach the stove, 216 00:10:26,103 --> 00:10:28,482 couldn't reach the washing machine dial. 217 00:10:28,482 --> 00:10:30,482 First they took her cellphone, 218 00:10:30,482 --> 00:10:33,413 there's no landline in the apartment. 219 00:10:33,413 --> 00:10:35,620 There's absolutely no way for her 220 00:10:35,620 --> 00:10:38,275 to call for help if she needs it. 221 00:10:39,172 --> 00:10:40,413 That gets them in trouble 222 00:10:40,413 --> 00:10:43,413 and so they give her back her cellphone 223 00:10:43,413 --> 00:10:46,068 but they wiped all her contact information 224 00:10:46,068 --> 00:10:47,172 off her cellphone 225 00:10:47,172 --> 00:10:48,448 and at times... 226 00:10:49,172 --> 00:10:51,000 there was no electricity or food. 227 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,000 So what are the Barnetts doing here? 228 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,172 Are they trying to keep her silent? 229 00:10:55,172 --> 00:10:57,448 Are they trying to get rid of her for good? 230 00:11:02,172 --> 00:11:05,206 [Eddy] I spoke to Natalia one time, that was it. 231 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:07,413 I never seen her with parents. 232 00:11:07,413 --> 00:11:09,379 You know, every time I seen her she was... 233 00:11:09,379 --> 00:11:10,965 ...90% of the time, she was by herself. 234 00:11:12,517 --> 00:11:14,896 Been in the neighborhood since '67. 235 00:11:14,896 --> 00:11:16,689 I've seen it go from bad to worse. 236 00:11:18,206 --> 00:11:20,517 And I've been in trouble before. 237 00:11:20,517 --> 00:11:22,413 You know, I messed up in life. 238 00:11:22,413 --> 00:11:24,068 -I've been to prison. -[man] Mmm-hmm. 239 00:11:25,482 --> 00:11:27,862 Just like I tell anybody, I got a sex offence. 240 00:11:28,689 --> 00:11:30,000 I messed up in life. 241 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 -I went, did my time, come back out, you know? -[man] Mmm-hmm. 242 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,724 So I... I watch everything. 243 00:11:33,724 --> 00:11:35,793 -That's what prison taught me, -[man] All right. 244 00:11:35,793 --> 00:11:37,793 ...to be very observant of people, 245 00:11:37,793 --> 00:11:38,896 your surroundings, 246 00:11:38,896 --> 00:11:39,793 -'cause you don't wanna get caught up -[man] Yeah. 247 00:11:39,793 --> 00:11:41,482 -in that moment again -[man] Mmm-hmm. 248 00:11:41,482 --> 00:11:43,206 ...and have something else happen to you. 249 00:11:43,206 --> 00:11:45,724 So, you know, she's a little kid, 250 00:11:45,724 --> 00:11:46,758 you know, I've to... 251 00:11:47,482 --> 00:11:48,758 kinda stay away from that. 252 00:11:52,896 --> 00:11:54,517 [Kyna] About a month after she started going 253 00:11:54,517 --> 00:11:56,275 to the Lafayette Adult Reading Academy, 254 00:11:56,275 --> 00:11:57,862 I just didn't see her come home anymore. 255 00:12:00,103 --> 00:12:01,586 She just disappeared. 256 00:12:02,275 --> 00:12:03,275 If you're an underage child 257 00:12:03,275 --> 00:12:05,275 living by yourself in that kinda surrounding, 258 00:12:05,275 --> 00:12:08,620 you don't know what to look for or what to stay away from. 259 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:10,000 Nobody there to protect her. 260 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,896 Nobody there to make sure 261 00:12:11,896 --> 00:12:13,724 that nobody even hurt her. 262 00:12:13,724 --> 00:12:16,000 I mean, it... it just really disturbed me. 263 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,896 Natalia could have knocked on any door 264 00:12:17,896 --> 00:12:19,758 and it could have been the last door she knocked on. 265 00:12:27,689 --> 00:12:29,551 One day, when we moved to Canada, 266 00:12:30,586 --> 00:12:32,896 we got a phone call from the adult GED center 267 00:12:32,896 --> 00:12:34,068 that she had been signed up for 268 00:12:34,068 --> 00:12:36,034 and she was going to for classes 269 00:12:36,896 --> 00:12:39,172 asking us if we had heard from or seen Natalia. 270 00:12:41,310 --> 00:12:42,310 We don't know what to do. 271 00:12:42,310 --> 00:12:43,310 We start making phone calls. 272 00:12:43,310 --> 00:12:44,482 We start trying to figure things out, 273 00:12:44,482 --> 00:12:45,965 we can't figure anything out. 274 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,310 [Beth] When Natalia went missing in Lafayette, 275 00:12:49,310 --> 00:12:51,000 suddenly, Michael and Kristine 276 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,482 are worried about her? 277 00:12:52,482 --> 00:12:53,758 They weren't worried... 278 00:12:54,482 --> 00:12:56,103 enough about her safety 279 00:12:56,103 --> 00:12:57,103 to put her in 280 00:12:57,103 --> 00:12:58,310 a first floor apartment 281 00:12:58,310 --> 00:12:59,793 in a safe neighborhood 282 00:12:59,793 --> 00:13:01,241 with a telephone? 283 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:04,482 What are they really worried about? 284 00:13:04,482 --> 00:13:07,482 Maybe that she is talking to a social worker? 285 00:13:07,482 --> 00:13:08,758 Or even the police? 286 00:13:11,172 --> 00:13:12,689 [Michael] Couple days later, we get a phone call 287 00:13:12,689 --> 00:13:14,758 from the GED center, "Don't worry about it. 288 00:13:15,310 --> 00:13:16,793 We've found her." 289 00:13:16,793 --> 00:13:19,172 She is with this lady Cynthia Mans. 290 00:13:22,413 --> 00:13:24,000 Okay, well, that's concerning. 291 00:13:25,862 --> 00:13:28,068 Because anytime Kristine would hear 292 00:13:28,068 --> 00:13:30,862 about Natalia had spoken to a neighbor 293 00:13:30,862 --> 00:13:32,689 or had interacted with a stranger, 294 00:13:32,689 --> 00:13:35,310 Kristine would find out who that was 295 00:13:35,310 --> 00:13:37,482 and she would do what it takes to stop it. 296 00:13:37,482 --> 00:13:39,137 That's her. That's Kristine. 297 00:13:39,896 --> 00:13:41,275 She needs to be in control. 298 00:13:42,482 --> 00:13:44,896 So, we try to call Cynthia. 299 00:13:44,896 --> 00:13:46,275 We have a conversation with her. 300 00:13:46,862 --> 00:13:48,103 She lets us know, 301 00:13:48,103 --> 00:13:51,241 "She's living with us, everything's fine. She's moved in." 302 00:13:52,482 --> 00:13:53,448 She's moved in? 303 00:13:54,482 --> 00:13:56,137 You met her three days ago! 304 00:13:58,482 --> 00:14:01,206 Kristine and I call Lafayette Police Department. 305 00:14:01,206 --> 00:14:02,965 We call Adult Protective Services. 306 00:14:04,172 --> 00:14:06,655 Adult Protective Services goes out and evaluates the situation 307 00:14:07,482 --> 00:14:09,034 and they report back to us. 308 00:14:10,793 --> 00:14:13,275 They found out that she had a food stamp card 309 00:14:13,793 --> 00:14:15,379 that had $500 on it 310 00:14:15,379 --> 00:14:17,000 and they had spent all the money 311 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,344 on all the foods at their house. 312 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,206 -This. -[Natalia chuckling] 313 00:14:20,206 --> 00:14:22,103 If you like this give us a thumbs up 314 00:14:22,103 --> 00:14:25,000 -if you don't, give us a sad face. -[Natalia] Yeah. 315 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,034 So they just took all of Natalia's food money. 316 00:14:27,689 --> 00:14:28,793 What's up? 317 00:14:28,793 --> 00:14:30,241 [chuckles] What's up, people? 318 00:14:31,310 --> 00:14:32,275 [Michael] A week later, 319 00:14:32,793 --> 00:14:35,000 I get notified by mail 320 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,758 that Natalia's social security payments, 321 00:14:37,482 --> 00:14:38,689 which was going to me, 322 00:14:38,689 --> 00:14:40,206 I was paying ourselves back for the rent, 323 00:14:40,206 --> 00:14:42,551 and I was paying her gas bill and her electric bill, 324 00:14:43,379 --> 00:14:44,551 that they're no longer going to me. 325 00:14:45,793 --> 00:14:47,862 Within two weeks of meeting her, 326 00:14:47,862 --> 00:14:50,000 Cynthia took Natalia to the social security office 327 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 and Natalia signed over 328 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,379 her social security money to her. 329 00:14:53,862 --> 00:14:55,206 They're subletting the apartment 330 00:14:55,206 --> 00:14:57,137 against the lease's rules. 331 00:14:58,103 --> 00:15:00,275 The Mans were making money 332 00:15:00,275 --> 00:15:03,172 off of Natalia's apartment that we paid for in advance. 333 00:15:04,689 --> 00:15:05,655 She was evicted. 334 00:15:06,965 --> 00:15:07,931 There was nothing we could do. 335 00:15:09,689 --> 00:15:12,068 [Beth] Between 2014 and 2019, 336 00:15:12,068 --> 00:15:14,206 a number of law enforcement agencies 337 00:15:14,206 --> 00:15:17,275 actively investigated Natalia Barnett's case. 338 00:15:17,793 --> 00:15:20,103 It culminated in 2019, 339 00:15:20,103 --> 00:15:22,862 when Brandon Davenport enters the picture. 340 00:15:22,862 --> 00:15:24,689 Once Detective Davenport 341 00:15:24,689 --> 00:15:27,896 starts looking into how Natalia came 342 00:15:27,896 --> 00:15:30,413 to Tippecanoe County, 343 00:15:30,413 --> 00:15:33,965 things start falling apart for Michael and Kristine Barnett. 344 00:16:11,689 --> 00:16:12,655 [Cynthia] Oh, yeah. 345 00:17:56,275 --> 00:17:58,172 [Michael] 2014. 346 00:17:58,172 --> 00:18:03,137 After years and years and years of... pain and abuse... 347 00:18:03,137 --> 00:18:05,896 and I finally got the courage to leave Kristine. 348 00:18:05,896 --> 00:18:08,000 Her and the boys stayed in Canada. 349 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,241 I came back to Indiana. 350 00:18:09,896 --> 00:18:13,655 And it was a very rough divorce. 351 00:18:13,655 --> 00:18:15,896 It was not amicable. 352 00:18:15,896 --> 00:18:17,068 We lost the most important thing 353 00:18:17,068 --> 00:18:18,517 a marriage can have and that's trust. 354 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,862 [knocking on door] 355 00:18:45,689 --> 00:18:46,724 [Michael] There we go. 356 00:18:48,379 --> 00:18:49,344 [Det. Davenport] All right. 357 00:19:57,689 --> 00:19:58,586 [Beth] Follow me here, 358 00:19:58,586 --> 00:20:00,689 that means that six years earlier 359 00:20:00,689 --> 00:20:04,758 when she was living in Westfield she was 16... 360 00:20:05,379 --> 00:20:07,172 by Michael's calculation. 361 00:20:07,172 --> 00:20:08,965 That means she's still a minor. 362 00:20:09,379 --> 00:20:10,344 He admitted it. 363 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,241 [line ringing] 364 00:20:32,896 --> 00:20:33,862 [Det. Davenport] Um... 365 00:20:51,896 --> 00:20:53,862 To be charged with something like this... 366 00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:55,551 [sighs] 367 00:20:56,275 --> 00:20:58,344 It's embarrassing, it's appalling, 368 00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:00,344 It's disgusting, it's degrading. 369 00:21:01,896 --> 00:21:03,620 Once the charges got filed, 370 00:21:04,793 --> 00:21:07,793 my attorney and I, we pull up to the Tippecanoe County Jail 371 00:21:07,793 --> 00:21:09,793 the next day to turn myself in. 372 00:21:09,793 --> 00:21:11,172 First denied, the man accused 373 00:21:11,172 --> 00:21:12,793 of leaving his adopted child 374 00:21:12,793 --> 00:21:15,068 alone in an apartment in Lafayette 375 00:21:15,068 --> 00:21:17,275 turned himself into authorities today. 376 00:21:17,275 --> 00:21:19,551 [male reporter] The case being built by prosecutors, 377 00:21:19,551 --> 00:21:22,068 confident enough to file charges of neglect. 378 00:21:23,896 --> 00:21:26,137 [Michael] I get put into a holding cell by myself. 379 00:21:27,551 --> 00:21:28,517 I was booked. 380 00:21:31,379 --> 00:21:32,620 I was fingerprinted. 381 00:21:37,551 --> 00:21:39,344 And then it's time for my mug shot. 382 00:21:41,793 --> 00:21:43,275 It's gonna sound strange. 383 00:21:43,275 --> 00:21:46,000 -[camera shutter clicking] -I wasn't nervous. 384 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,344 Not that camera. I'm not thinking about that camera. 385 00:21:49,655 --> 00:21:51,551 I'm thinking about the ones that are waiting for me outside. 386 00:21:51,551 --> 00:21:54,448 [female reporter] Michael Barnett bonded out of Tippecanoe County Jail 387 00:21:54,448 --> 00:21:57,275 about an hour after turning himself in. 388 00:21:57,275 --> 00:21:58,793 [man] Kristine, is there anything you want to say? 389 00:21:58,793 --> 00:21:59,896 No comment. 390 00:21:59,896 --> 00:22:02,896 Kristine Barnett turns herself into the authorities 391 00:22:02,896 --> 00:22:05,655 a day after Michael turned himself in. 392 00:22:06,689 --> 00:22:08,793 [Bob Cooper] Especially for the first time 393 00:22:08,793 --> 00:22:11,413 to hear that jail cell close behind you. 394 00:22:12,275 --> 00:22:13,655 [door closes] 395 00:22:13,655 --> 00:22:14,655 [Bob] That has to be one of the most 396 00:22:14,655 --> 00:22:16,655 humiliating experiences 397 00:22:16,655 --> 00:22:18,793 any individual could go through. 398 00:22:18,793 --> 00:22:20,000 -[camera shutter clicks] -Prior to this, 399 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,655 the Barnetts were on the cover of magazines 400 00:22:22,655 --> 00:22:23,758 and newspapers. 401 00:22:24,655 --> 00:22:27,172 And now, after being arrested and charged, 402 00:22:27,172 --> 00:22:29,068 being photographed for a whole different reason. 403 00:22:30,172 --> 00:22:32,448 The next day, 404 00:22:32,448 --> 00:22:36,068 I have employees pulling that up on their computer. 405 00:22:37,448 --> 00:22:38,758 "Is this you?" 406 00:22:39,793 --> 00:22:41,689 I have employees sending the link 407 00:22:41,689 --> 00:22:44,551 to my HR department. 408 00:22:44,551 --> 00:22:47,965 Saying, "Did you guys know this monster works for us?" 409 00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:52,068 Suddenly, I am the bad guy of the universe. 410 00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:57,793 But my ex-wife, Kristine, was the one in power. 411 00:22:57,793 --> 00:22:59,793 I had no control over any of this. 412 00:22:59,793 --> 00:23:01,379 [camera shutter clicks] 413 00:23:01,379 --> 00:23:05,172 From that point on, it becomes Barnett versus Barnett. 414 00:23:05,172 --> 00:23:07,068 It is war. 415 00:23:07,068 --> 00:23:10,000 And Natalia is no longer Michael's target. 416 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,448 It's Kristine. 417 00:23:11,448 --> 00:23:12,689 [camera shutter clicks] 418 00:23:12,689 --> 00:23:14,034 [Beth] He's not going to take the fall for this by himself. 419 00:23:25,172 --> 00:23:26,448 [Michael] I'm the dictionary definition 420 00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:28,931 of a guy that had it all and lost it all. 421 00:23:33,103 --> 00:23:34,448 The car itself is dead. 422 00:23:35,275 --> 00:23:36,724 Hasn't run for about a year. 423 00:23:37,448 --> 00:23:39,241 It's not gonna run anytime soon. 424 00:23:45,172 --> 00:23:47,965 Lately, my life has been all about the trial, 425 00:23:47,965 --> 00:23:50,620 which is coming up just in a couple of months. 426 00:23:51,482 --> 00:23:54,344 If I felt like I was ever doing wrong... 427 00:23:56,275 --> 00:23:57,413 I would've hid it. 428 00:23:58,448 --> 00:24:00,586 Knowing what I know now, 429 00:24:00,586 --> 00:24:04,655 knowing... and being able to see how I was manipulated, 430 00:24:04,655 --> 00:24:06,000 and being able to see how my sons 431 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,241 have been manipulated after divorce, 432 00:24:09,965 --> 00:24:11,000 the question is, 433 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,724 do I think Kristine could have manipulated Natalia? 434 00:24:14,379 --> 00:24:15,275 That's an easy question. 435 00:24:15,275 --> 00:24:16,172 The answer is yes, 436 00:24:16,172 --> 00:24:18,000 Kristine could have manipulated Natalia. 437 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,172 There was so much mental engineering done on me 438 00:24:22,758 --> 00:24:24,965 that built up and I blew up, 439 00:24:24,965 --> 00:24:28,344 and things ended so negatively, so poorly. 440 00:24:29,275 --> 00:24:31,689 She and I are truly unable 441 00:24:31,689 --> 00:24:33,931 to even exchange an email. 442 00:24:35,448 --> 00:24:38,172 Her nickname is "Evil" and she's earned every letter. 443 00:24:39,689 --> 00:24:41,172 She has twisted, 444 00:24:41,172 --> 00:24:46,379 convoluted, lied publicly, privately, repeatedly, 445 00:24:46,379 --> 00:24:48,655 over and over and over again 446 00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:51,275 so she can maintain power, money, control 447 00:24:51,275 --> 00:24:54,068 over everything and everyone. 448 00:24:55,551 --> 00:24:56,689 My middle son and my youngest son, 449 00:24:56,689 --> 00:24:58,965 I've not seen them in over eight years, 450 00:24:58,965 --> 00:25:02,241 and they want nothing to do with seeing me. 451 00:25:04,379 --> 00:25:06,655 We all were abused in that household 452 00:25:07,758 --> 00:25:10,551 and Kristine was the purveyor of abuse. 453 00:25:12,482 --> 00:25:13,448 You're going to get the truth. 454 00:25:14,275 --> 00:25:15,965 I will pre-warn you, 455 00:25:16,793 --> 00:25:18,724 you might not like the truth, 456 00:25:19,758 --> 00:25:21,000 but you'll get the truth. 457 00:25:24,896 --> 00:25:27,448 Kristine blamed everything on Natalia. 458 00:25:29,379 --> 00:25:32,379 [Jacob] The dynamic between Natalia and the rest of the family 459 00:25:32,379 --> 00:25:34,586 seemed to shift relatively early on. 460 00:25:34,586 --> 00:25:35,896 My mom would get into arguments 461 00:25:35,896 --> 00:25:39,448 and, like, try to figure out who Natalia really was. 462 00:25:39,448 --> 00:25:41,551 Their relationship was definitely hostile. 463 00:25:43,172 --> 00:25:44,827 [Kristine speaking] 464 00:25:48,758 --> 00:25:50,379 Things would 465 00:25:50,379 --> 00:25:54,344 spiral quickly and escalate quickly. 466 00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,965 Kristine and Natalia were an imminent danger. 467 00:25:58,482 --> 00:26:02,448 My children were just one step below it. 468 00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:07,655 I promise you, 469 00:26:08,862 --> 00:26:10,655 within five years someone's dead. 470 00:26:13,482 --> 00:26:14,827 [Kristine speaking] 471 00:26:21,965 --> 00:26:23,931 [Natalia speaking] 472 00:26:25,172 --> 00:26:26,241 [Kristine speaking] 473 00:26:37,068 --> 00:26:39,482 My mom firmly believed 474 00:26:39,482 --> 00:26:40,482 that, like, uh, 475 00:26:40,482 --> 00:26:44,379 Natalia is a hostile agent. 476 00:26:44,379 --> 00:26:47,655 You know, that she definitely is not who she says she is 477 00:26:47,655 --> 00:26:48,862 and intends harm. 478 00:26:49,448 --> 00:26:52,586 Every day, Kristine and Natalia 479 00:26:52,586 --> 00:26:55,758 would have the third-degree spotlight, 480 00:26:55,758 --> 00:26:57,758 tell me everything about you. 481 00:26:57,758 --> 00:26:59,172 One time I come home from work, 482 00:26:59,551 --> 00:27:00,517 open the door, 483 00:27:00,862 --> 00:27:01,896 say hello. 484 00:27:01,896 --> 00:27:04,448 Natalia is standing in the breakfast nook, 485 00:27:04,965 --> 00:27:06,448 nose against the wall. 486 00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:09,068 What'd she do? 487 00:27:10,482 --> 00:27:11,724 This is what I was told. 488 00:27:13,275 --> 00:27:16,172 Natalia this morning is not cooperating with Kristine. 489 00:27:16,896 --> 00:27:18,689 Very adversarial, very butting heads 490 00:27:18,689 --> 00:27:20,000 and honestly, God bless her, 491 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,379 Natalia is probably the first person ever 492 00:27:21,379 --> 00:27:22,758 to stand up to Kristine. 493 00:27:22,758 --> 00:27:24,551 [Kristine speaking] 494 00:27:32,379 --> 00:27:33,724 10:00 a.m. she puts her nose on the wall. 495 00:27:34,965 --> 00:27:36,655 "You will stay there 496 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:39,965 until you get to this table and write down 497 00:27:39,965 --> 00:27:41,517 names of people you have been with. 498 00:27:42,862 --> 00:27:44,862 That girl stands there, nose on the wall 499 00:27:44,862 --> 00:27:46,862 from 10:00 a.m. to noon. 500 00:27:47,758 --> 00:27:49,724 Kristine makes everybody lunch, 501 00:27:50,172 --> 00:27:51,862 gets Natalia's food, 502 00:27:51,862 --> 00:27:53,482 puts it right next to her. 503 00:27:53,482 --> 00:27:56,172 "You can eat this, when, boys and girls? 504 00:27:56,172 --> 00:27:58,103 When you sit your ass at the table 505 00:27:58,103 --> 00:27:59,482 and you write down the names 506 00:27:59,482 --> 00:28:00,758 of every person you've lived with 507 00:28:00,758 --> 00:28:02,620 and you tell me who you really are. 508 00:28:06,965 --> 00:28:08,172 When I got home, 509 00:28:08,172 --> 00:28:10,965 Kristine says that, 510 00:28:10,965 --> 00:28:15,344 "Yeah. She's been standing still, 511 00:28:15,965 --> 00:28:19,965 nose on the wall for eight hours 512 00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:21,586 and she ain't getting out of there 513 00:28:21,586 --> 00:28:23,068 until she writes down names. 514 00:28:23,068 --> 00:28:25,965 Michael, don't you say a word to her, 515 00:28:25,965 --> 00:28:27,275 don't you help her. 516 00:28:27,275 --> 00:28:29,586 I have been dealing with this all day long. 517 00:28:29,586 --> 00:28:32,000 Don't you do anything except back up your wife. 518 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,241 Do you understand me?" 519 00:28:36,689 --> 00:28:37,655 Yeah. 520 00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:40,965 So, 521 00:28:40,965 --> 00:28:42,655 at this point in time, it's been eight hours. 522 00:28:43,172 --> 00:28:44,448 Natalia soiled herself. 523 00:28:46,344 --> 00:28:48,000 Natalia, according to Kristine, 524 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,448 soiled herself hours ago. 525 00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:53,172 And per Kristine, 526 00:28:53,172 --> 00:28:57,413 "On purpose just to spite me and make me upset." 527 00:28:58,896 --> 00:29:01,000 So, I sit on the couch in the living room, 528 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,448 Natalia's behind me in the kitchen, 529 00:29:02,448 --> 00:29:04,172 Kristine's on the couch, 530 00:29:04,172 --> 00:29:06,344 and we're going to enjoy our evening. 531 00:29:06,344 --> 00:29:07,586 We're going to watch TV. 532 00:29:07,586 --> 00:29:09,344 We're enjoying our evening! 533 00:29:09,344 --> 00:29:11,965 You can join us. You can watch TV 534 00:29:11,965 --> 00:29:15,344 when you tell us who you are. 535 00:29:16,862 --> 00:29:18,724 Two in the morning comes. 536 00:29:19,379 --> 00:29:22,241 She has now defecated on herself. 537 00:29:24,103 --> 00:29:27,068 She hasn't moved. 538 00:29:29,551 --> 00:29:31,551 Every day I would come home, 539 00:29:31,551 --> 00:29:33,758 and best-case scenario 540 00:29:33,758 --> 00:29:36,862 is Kristine is sitting on the couch angry 541 00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:38,000 and Natalia's in her room. 542 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,931 That is the best-case scenario for the next two years. 543 00:29:43,689 --> 00:29:45,000 [producer speaking] 544 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,827 [bleep] I told the cops this anyway. 545 00:29:49,172 --> 00:29:50,655 [exhales] 546 00:29:51,344 --> 00:29:52,482 I told the police this 547 00:29:52,482 --> 00:29:54,827 when they came to me three years ago 548 00:29:55,448 --> 00:29:57,586 to talk to me about Natalia. 549 00:29:57,586 --> 00:30:01,413 So, if I'm open and honest and willing enough to... 550 00:30:02,482 --> 00:30:05,000 tell police officers this, 551 00:30:05,758 --> 00:30:07,068 I can do this. 552 00:30:09,103 --> 00:30:10,655 There are multiple times, 553 00:30:12,344 --> 00:30:14,172 three that I bore witness to 554 00:30:14,172 --> 00:30:16,827 and I'm certain far more than that. 555 00:30:18,758 --> 00:30:22,344 That Kristine beat the holy hell out of her. 556 00:30:24,344 --> 00:30:26,068 So one day I come home from work. [exhales] 557 00:30:28,103 --> 00:30:30,000 [sniffles] And this is... 558 00:30:31,689 --> 00:30:33,896 maybe early 2011. 559 00:30:33,896 --> 00:30:35,413 I can feel the tension in the air. 560 00:30:35,965 --> 00:30:37,448 Walking into the house. 561 00:30:38,344 --> 00:30:39,827 I see... I see my wife. 562 00:30:42,068 --> 00:30:44,000 [stutters] I'll be... 563 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,586 I'll try to be as accurate as I can. 564 00:30:45,586 --> 00:30:47,241 Get one of the guys point the camera at the floor. 565 00:30:50,379 --> 00:30:51,655 [sighs] 566 00:30:52,965 --> 00:30:55,344 I need right here-ish... 567 00:30:58,275 --> 00:30:59,448 to get you to understand. 568 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,931 [exhales] 569 00:31:06,965 --> 00:31:08,172 The beatings 570 00:31:08,965 --> 00:31:12,551 were similar to this. 571 00:31:14,172 --> 00:31:15,275 [groans] 572 00:31:15,275 --> 00:31:17,241 -[thudding] -[grunting] 573 00:31:19,896 --> 00:31:21,241 [grunting continues] 574 00:31:30,172 --> 00:31:31,448 Ow. 575 00:31:34,586 --> 00:31:36,241 [Davenport speaking] 576 00:31:37,482 --> 00:31:38,758 [Michael speaking] 577 00:31:49,482 --> 00:31:50,448 [bleep] 578 00:32:03,379 --> 00:32:05,137 [Davenport speaking] 579 00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:16,103 [Beth] Detective Davenport was using a common interrogation tactic 580 00:32:16,103 --> 00:32:18,655 where he leads the target of the investigation 581 00:32:18,655 --> 00:32:20,275 to believe that he's on his side 582 00:32:20,275 --> 00:32:23,448 to gain his trust and elicit more information. 583 00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:26,758 Michael really has changed his tune, 584 00:32:26,758 --> 00:32:30,344 and after hearing about how Natalia was treated 585 00:32:30,344 --> 00:32:32,000 and the beatings, 586 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000 if she really was hiding knives under her bed, 587 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,517 it makes me wonder if she was doing it in self-defense. 588 00:32:39,655 --> 00:32:43,344 [Michael] As the beatings happen, 589 00:32:43,344 --> 00:32:46,172 I stand there not knowing what the hell to do. 590 00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:48,827 The only thing I can think, 591 00:32:52,586 --> 00:32:53,931 turn a camera on, 592 00:32:54,586 --> 00:32:57,620 turn a recorder on and I palm my phone 593 00:32:58,344 --> 00:33:01,103 and hide it and I start recording. 594 00:33:01,103 --> 00:33:03,551 "How could you betray my trust? 595 00:33:04,068 --> 00:33:05,965 How could you do that? 596 00:33:05,965 --> 00:33:07,172 Right in front of me right now, 597 00:33:07,172 --> 00:33:09,068 you erase everything on the [bleep] phone. 598 00:33:11,275 --> 00:33:13,344 Reset phone, hit okay. 599 00:33:15,275 --> 00:33:16,931 Don't you ever do anything like that again." 600 00:33:18,758 --> 00:33:20,551 I never got rid of the phone. 601 00:33:22,379 --> 00:33:25,620 I specifically kept it my entire life 602 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:29,103 just in case someone was ever able to do 603 00:33:29,103 --> 00:33:30,862 a data recovery off of it 604 00:33:31,482 --> 00:33:33,517 and pull the video back. 605 00:34:00,758 --> 00:34:03,172 This exchange between Michael and Kristine 606 00:34:03,172 --> 00:34:05,758 is really an explosive revelation. 607 00:34:05,758 --> 00:34:08,379 Michael accuses Kristine of beating Natalia 608 00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:09,896 and she doesn't deny it. 609 00:34:09,896 --> 00:34:12,724 So that's sort of a tacit admission that she did. 610 00:34:26,275 --> 00:34:27,757 [Beth] When the time came, 611 00:34:27,757 --> 00:34:29,757 Michael offered up Kristine 612 00:34:29,757 --> 00:34:31,827 to the police on a silver platter. 613 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,757 [Michael on phone] 614 00:34:47,275 --> 00:34:48,965 [Davenport on phone] 615 00:34:57,172 --> 00:34:58,724 [Michael on phone] 616 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,655 [Davenport on phone] 617 00:35:15,448 --> 00:35:16,379 [Michael on phone] 618 00:35:16,379 --> 00:35:17,655 [Davenport on phone] 619 00:35:19,172 --> 00:35:20,862 -[Michael on phone] -[Davenport on phone] 620 00:35:20,862 --> 00:35:22,448 [Davenport on phone] 621 00:35:25,275 --> 00:35:26,172 [Michael on phone] 622 00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:28,172 [Davenport on phone] 623 00:35:28,172 --> 00:35:29,103 [Michael on phone] 624 00:35:29,103 --> 00:35:30,724 [Davenport on phone] 625 00:35:33,068 --> 00:35:34,655 [Michael sighs] 626 00:35:34,655 --> 00:35:36,068 [Davenport on phone] 627 00:35:39,965 --> 00:35:42,275 [Jacob] From my mom's perspective, when Natalia infiltrated 628 00:35:42,275 --> 00:35:44,758 our family and wanted to harm us. 629 00:35:44,758 --> 00:35:48,482 And so, my mom denied possibly doing anything wrong 630 00:35:48,482 --> 00:35:50,275 and if anything, she was just operating 631 00:35:50,275 --> 00:35:53,827 under the, uh, advice of therapists. 632 00:35:56,379 --> 00:35:58,000 And I can assure you that 633 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,241 no therapist would advise 634 00:36:02,103 --> 00:36:04,551 uh, this particular action, 635 00:36:04,551 --> 00:36:06,137 which I'm not going to go into detail, but I... 636 00:36:07,758 --> 00:36:09,758 like if a therapist did, they would lose their license. 637 00:36:24,379 --> 00:36:25,620 [Michael] Breathe it in. 638 00:36:28,344 --> 00:36:30,551 It's truly the best regular moment 639 00:36:30,551 --> 00:36:32,896 we would always have together as a family. 640 00:36:32,896 --> 00:36:34,620 Sitting down having popcorn. 641 00:36:36,551 --> 00:36:39,344 [stutters] It brings a level of comfort, 642 00:36:39,344 --> 00:36:41,034 like, there's a level of... [exhales] 643 00:36:41,896 --> 00:36:43,793 maybe it's happiness, maybe it's purity, 644 00:36:43,793 --> 00:36:46,689 maybe it's just remembrance of a good moment 645 00:36:46,689 --> 00:36:48,172 here and there. 646 00:36:48,172 --> 00:36:50,275 This was... this was part of our lives. 647 00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:52,586 This is... We were movie people. 648 00:36:52,586 --> 00:36:55,862 It was what we did two, three nights a week. 649 00:36:56,275 --> 00:36:57,689 [chuckles] 650 00:36:57,689 --> 00:36:59,758 Jake smells the popcorn, Jake arrives. 651 00:37:02,689 --> 00:37:05,000 Like, I'm already, like, mmm tasty. 652 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,620 You and me standing here eating popcorn together. 653 00:37:08,275 --> 00:37:09,620 You know, I just... [exhales] 654 00:37:10,448 --> 00:37:11,965 I never thought I'd get this again. 655 00:37:12,482 --> 00:37:14,689 I'd never in a million years 656 00:37:14,689 --> 00:37:17,896 dreamed that this would ever happen again. 657 00:37:17,896 --> 00:37:21,344 2019, I haven't seen you in five and a half years. 658 00:37:22,344 --> 00:37:25,034 And I sent you a couple messages on Facebook 659 00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:26,896 just to let you know, hey, 660 00:37:26,896 --> 00:37:28,689 if you have any questions about 661 00:37:28,689 --> 00:37:30,413 "Dad, why'd you leave?" 662 00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:32,620 Just ask. 663 00:37:33,586 --> 00:37:34,965 Of the three boys, 664 00:37:36,068 --> 00:37:38,172 you're the one that responded. 665 00:37:38,172 --> 00:37:41,620 You invited me to come see you in New Orleans. 666 00:37:42,896 --> 00:37:44,172 I had no idea what to expect. 667 00:37:44,172 --> 00:37:45,413 No clue. 668 00:37:46,172 --> 00:37:48,034 And I walk up and 669 00:37:48,034 --> 00:37:51,137 the first thing you say to everybody was, 670 00:37:51,689 --> 00:37:52,965 "This is my dad." 671 00:37:56,034 --> 00:37:56,965 [sobbing] 672 00:37:59,344 --> 00:38:01,068 I hadn't heard you say the word "dad" 673 00:38:01,068 --> 00:38:03,310 in almost six years. 674 00:38:05,275 --> 00:38:06,655 It gave me hope. 675 00:38:08,689 --> 00:38:09,862 [sniffles] I... 676 00:38:10,241 --> 00:38:11,793 I didn't have hope 677 00:38:11,793 --> 00:38:13,758 for a very, very, very long time. 678 00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:19,310 I was 100% convinced I'd never see you again. 679 00:38:20,379 --> 00:38:22,758 I'm still convinced I'll never see your brothers again. 680 00:38:25,551 --> 00:38:26,758 Sorry. [sniffles] 681 00:38:35,068 --> 00:38:39,137 [Jacob] It's clear that someone wronged someone else. 682 00:38:43,551 --> 00:38:46,068 It's easy to go around and categorizing people 683 00:38:46,068 --> 00:38:49,620 into, uh, clusters of good people and bad people. 684 00:38:52,448 --> 00:38:56,034 But good people do bad things, bad people do good things. 685 00:38:57,896 --> 00:39:02,448 I just don't want blame to be falsely assigned. 686 00:39:05,793 --> 00:39:06,586 My mom and I are, kind of, 687 00:39:06,586 --> 00:39:07,931 going through it at the moment. 688 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,862 Recently I had a bunch of questions relating to childhood 689 00:39:13,275 --> 00:39:14,758 and just concerns. 690 00:39:15,172 --> 00:39:17,206 Uh, so I called her. 691 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,586 Like, I was just expecting her to maybe acknowledge 692 00:39:22,586 --> 00:39:23,965 some of the things I was saying. 693 00:39:24,586 --> 00:39:25,793 Like, I wasn't necessarily 694 00:39:25,793 --> 00:39:27,241 looking for an apology or anything, 695 00:39:27,241 --> 00:39:29,034 but I didn't even get that. 696 00:39:37,068 --> 00:39:39,275 [Jacob] I did ask her about some stuff 697 00:39:39,275 --> 00:39:41,034 relating to Natalia 698 00:39:41,034 --> 00:39:42,793 that I don't think I'm comfortable 699 00:39:42,793 --> 00:39:43,862 sharing with here. 700 00:39:44,551 --> 00:39:45,793 Partially I'm protecting my mom 701 00:39:45,793 --> 00:39:47,689 by not being explicit here. 702 00:39:47,689 --> 00:39:51,379 I mean my mom is definitely not 100% innocent, 703 00:39:51,379 --> 00:39:54,551 so I'm kind of stuck between, like, a rock and a hard place 704 00:39:54,551 --> 00:39:56,965 where like I, uh, don't want to hurt anyone. 705 00:40:01,482 --> 00:40:02,689 And, uh, 706 00:40:02,689 --> 00:40:05,862 I recognize that that might not be possible. 707 00:40:19,275 --> 00:40:21,758 Yeah, I need to sleep on some things. 708 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,206 Yeah, I don't know if I wish to talk about this further. 709 00:40:34,448 --> 00:40:35,551 I'm done. 710 00:40:39,482 --> 00:40:42,000 [Bob] Because there are so many questions 711 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,275 could possibly, the Barnetts just be making this up 712 00:40:45,275 --> 00:40:48,448 to cover their tails and to cover their tracks. 713 00:40:48,448 --> 00:40:51,689 There's something really deeply wrong here. 714 00:40:51,689 --> 00:40:54,344 It doesn't smell right. There's something wrong. 715 00:40:54,344 --> 00:40:55,344 Oh, it smells like [bleep] 716 00:40:56,586 --> 00:40:58,758 Somebody's hiding something someplace. 717 00:41:12,379 --> 00:41:14,620 [Jacob speaking] 718 00:41:27,379 --> 00:41:28,655 [Michael speaking] 719 00:41:50,689 --> 00:41:52,103 [Jacob speaking] 720 00:41:54,275 --> 00:41:55,862 -[Michael speaking] -[Jacob speaking] 721 00:42:05,689 --> 00:42:07,241 [Michael speaking] 722 00:42:07,793 --> 00:42:09,068 [Jacob speaking] 723 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:10,620 [Michael speaking] 724 00:42:11,793 --> 00:42:13,448 -[bleep] -[Jacob speaking]