Today, Michael and Natalia get back together to have a chat.
This is round two.
Michael's lawyer, Terrance Kinnard,
and Natalia's father, Antwon Mans, cannot be there.
So, the two who were arguing the month earlier,
they're gone, and now it is just Natalia and Michael.
[Natalia] I do want to hear Michael out,
but, like, I'm kind of expecting the unexpected here.
I think I'm just really nervous about what he says
and how it will affect me.
I have a lot of questions
and all I'm asking is that just... just answer them.
So, I'm just...
[exhales] I'm... legit, like, nervous right now.
[sniffs and groans]
[Beth] Michael really wants some resolution here.
He wants some peace of mind. He needs to put this to rest.
[Michael] Meeting Natalia,
I'm looking for all these different pieces
of... of warning signs,
like an early warning system, right?
You know, for people like my mother
who grew up in the '50s and '60s
and they had to deal with things like nuclear bomb sirens,
they're waiting for any sound to tell you something's falling.
If I'm talking to Natalia,
and I hear... [whistles to mimic something falling]
Is that the wind?
[whistles to mimic something falling]
Ha, it's not falling.
I am on edge and on nerve.
[Beth] Then we have Natalia, who really needs some answers.
She was very unfulfilled after the trial
and she's gonna ask some hard questions of Michael
and she needs to know
why she was treated the way she was.
[Natalia] There's a lot of stuff that I want to ask Michael.
Why did they adopt me in the first place?
What made them change their mind?
Why didn't he step in when I was fighting with Kristine?
Like, why didn't Michael defend me?
Why didn't Michael even just take me out of there?
[Beth] Of course Natalia wants answers, but...
she's running a risk here, because Michael has triggers.
I tried, I tried, I tried!
-[Antwon] You know, I wanted to talk with you. -[Michael] No!
Let me--
-Let's-- -Leave me alone!
[Beth] Is she running the risk that he's gonna get up and walk out again?
But you have to fight to get to the truth.
[Antwon] I'm hopeful that something is gonna really uncover the truth
and that we're one step closer to getting justice done.
[Terrance] I don't view Natalia as a devil,
but I also don't view her as an angel.
There's something sinister about her.
Everywhere Natalia has been,
drama follows.
Everywhere Natalia has been,
families have been in upheaval.
My opinion, Natalia is a very damaged person,
who will hurt others
before the proverbial "they hurt me."
[Beth] This is an opportunity for Natalia that she's never had,
to sit down as an adult and ask questions of Michael
and she gets to try to hold him accountable
for what happened to her years ago.
[Natalia] Michael, whatever you got to say, go ahead and say it.
I'm just praying that it's actually the truth.
[Beth] Given what happened the first time
Michael and Natalia got together and he stormed out,
anything could happen this time.
[car approaching]
[pop song playing on car radio]
[music stops]
Hi.
Ah!
[sighing] Oy vey. So, where were we?
[theme music playing]
[Michael] Where do you want to start?
We could start from where you left off.
I believe the question we were on... was why didn't I leave Kristine.
It's difficult to understand.
But, after...
15 plus years of...
being put down, and degraded, and controlled, and threatened,
I didn't have any strength at all to stand up to her.
I... I wish I did.
Wish I did.
I didn't.
-You ever seen the movie Monsters, Inc.? -Yes.
You know, the same monster goes through bunches of doors and...
-Yeah. -...all these kids around the world
have the same monster, but they don't know it?
Mmm-hmm.
We had the same monster
and we didn't know it.
For... years.
[Michael sighing]
-Everybody that knows me... -[inhales deeply]
we... don't call her by "Kristine."
Matter of fact, I hate the word.
I don't like the word. I don't like hearing the word.
Um... her name is "Evil."
Um, every now and then I'll call her
-"The Wicked Witch of the South," but-- -[snorts]
Sorry.
No, it's okay, a little levity is all right.
But... she's earned it.
[both sighing]
[Michael] We had the same monster
and we didn't know it.
For... years.
From the second interview Michael gave us,
he was blaming Kristine for a lot of the dysfunction in the household.
Kristine was the purveyor of the word "abuse."
Controlling, manipulating, brainwashing.
Her nickname is "Evil" and she's earned every letter.
And he's continuing to do that in this conversation.
And Natalia's bonding with him a little bit,
you know, they're having their little trauma bonding,
that they were both abused by Kristine
in different ways, but they were both victims of Kristine.
So, you can... you can see that,
you can see her warming up a little bit to him.
What do you know that Kristine did to me?
[Michael sighs]
I know some things.
Other things I just learned.
And then this is gonna sound silly...
I'm afraid of what I don't know.
Like... [sighing]
I know a little.
I don't know a lot.
Um...
-What do you know? -[exhales]
It's a very long answer.
-I mean, that could... that could take us a week. -Just...
-[Michael sighs] -...the highlights.
[laughs humorlessly]
[sighs]
Golly, I just...
Um...
Michael is being very careful, whether he's worried about a court of law,
civil or criminal,
or... just, you know, the court of public opinion, to use a cliche.
It just seems like he's been advised
by his attorney to steer clear,
or not admit any kind of liability,
or incriminate you in any way.
I'm so afraid of the things I don't know about.
And I don't wanna know the things I don't know about. [voice breaking]
Because I know they're all terrible.
And I'd rather just not know
that there's such horrible things in the world.
[sniffs]
But life doesn't give us those opportunities.
[exhales] The only chance
I have...
at an okay future, and maybe you've got a little of this in there too,
if all of us...
if every...
if everyone...
just stands up and says,
"This is what happens, what she did."
If we do it all at the same time,
she can't scream and lie her way out of it.
[Beth] He's continuing to deflect.
You gotta wonder,
'cause his lawyers were always present at all the interviews,
including that first sit-down with Natalia that lasted only minutes.
His lawyer, Terrance, is smart.
He may have advised Michael
how to pivot away from an answer and...
you know, deflect it to Kristine.
-[Terrance] You got this. -[Michael] I know.
[Beth] It's a brilliant deflection.
But that's not being evasive.
My experience with Michael,
I absolutely think he suffers from PTSD as a result of his marriage.
I think he still has a lot of mental trauma
as a result of the loss of his marriage.
And I know he believes that Kristine is the reason for that.
She has screamed and screamed and screamed
horrific, horrific, horrific lies.
[Natalia sighs] I'm just like...
I think he's just trying to get the criticism of the public off of him
and trying to use the sympathy to be like,
"I was victimized, too," like, "Please don't come after me."
Like, "I was a victim too in this."
But the thing is, for me,
yes, you were a victim,
but you also...
was the perpetrator.
You were an accomplice of it all, too.
If Kristine was this so-called monster,
he could have fought her.
I couldn't.
What was the conversation
about dropping me off in the apartment?
What was that conversation?
Um, Westfield or Lafayette?
We'll start with Westfield.
Um...
Again, conversation...
Just what happened.
You have to understand there's not a lot of conversation, there's a lot of dictating.
Did you know that she was... [sniffs]
getting me an ID?
Yes, I did.
At that point of time,
-legally your age had been altered by the state. -[breathing shakily]
You, like anybody else, need to have an ID.
Okay. Let's step back and...
What... Whose idea was it?
Was what?
With the age change.
I did tell all these guys we're not getting into that subject.
Why can't you say it?
Did you guys not...
-[man 1] Yes. -...cover these parameters?
-[man 1] I thought... -[Michael] I... I... You know me.
[sighing]
-Not a... not a good idea. -[man 1] I understand. I understand.
-I need to step outside for a minute. -Come outside.
[man 2] It's not like you guys are fighting.
-And I know that... -[Michael] Hey.
-Hi. -[Natalia whispering] Okay.
Michael doesn't want to talk about changing my age.
Michael just left. He was running away again.
You don't care.
Like, that's what I feel like.
They didn't care that they...
left a little girl in an apartment at eight years old,
changed her whole age from 8 to 22.
That's, like, a 15-year stretch.
Like, just admit it.
A lot of things would have been different,
if they would have... maybe just sent me back.
There were some ground rules going into this,
and one of them was that
the re-aging is off-topic.
That is off the table, not to be discussed.
I just... I wanna stay away from things
that might be too emotionally... touchy, that's all.
Okay. We can step away from that, 'cause I got a lot of questions.
Okay.
Why not just put me up for adoption again?
Unfortunately, the real answer for that lies in Evil's head.
I can make a couple assumptions that are pretty good ones.
You're in that time
after Florida
and before the Ciccones released you, that six-month period,
where things just...
Something was wrong.
Something was off.
During that time,
I had...
the conversation with the monster
about, "Look. Things aren't working right.
Maybe this is no harm, no foul.
We don't have to do anything, 'cause you legally were still theirs.
Maybe we just walk away from this and... cool our jets."
And that was met with a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very stern "No."
Why?
The deeper "why"
and this is all assumption and allegedly,
so make sure you guys are putting the word "allegedly" over this,
like, in flashing letters, right?
She saw... the adoption,
especially the adoption of somebody with special needs,
as...
a societal thing.
The one thing we can always count on,
is Evil sure does love her some attention.
And some cameras, and some eyes on her,
and people worshipping her.
She wrote out a full one-page piece of paper once
explaining to me why she qualifies for sainthood,
based on the two miracles she's performed.
[grunts] That's who we're dealing with.
So, when you're dealing with that level of narcissist,
it's vaguely possible
that she saw the adoption
as a [in female voice] "Aren't I a great person, everyone?
Look at me. Hey, neighbors! Look.
I'm... I'm so wonderful. I'm so wonderful. I'm so charitable."
She compared herself to Oprah regularly.
She was gonna be the Oprah for autistic kids.
I've heard this so many times.
So, my assumption is,
the reason that she wouldn't undo where we were,
all those people that were, "Hey, look at me. Look at me. Look at me.
Aren't I great? Aren't I great? Aren't I great?
Wait, what do you mean where's my newly adopted daughter?
Oh, hell, I've got to explain this."
Did she tell you why she took me out of school?
Um... she did.
I was told... that you were a danger to the other students,
that you were ramming your wheelchair into them on purpose,
that you had taken your parking brake off the wheelchair and hid it,
blah, blah... We don't need to get into this, this is...
This is rough stuff.
She told me that she was protecting other first grade children
by removing you from the class.
What I remember is Kristine telling me that
she was getting a phone call at 9 o'clock every single day.
I couldn't say whether she was or wasn't getting a phone call every day.
From my end of things,
she never told me she was getting a phone call every day.
According to Kristine,
she was getting complaints from the school
that Natalia was intentionally ramming her wheelchair into the students.
Yes, the teacher stated that Natalia had hit children with the wheelchair.
He behavior was nothing but extraordinary.
[detective] Did she ever cause you any problems?
[principal] Oh, my gosh, no. She was a delight.
My teacher said I... that she never had to call Kristine.
That I didn't do what Kristine was claiming that I did. Nothing.
Nobody did any of the things she accused everyone of doing.
Yes. Natalia stated, "I want to hurt the other kids."
[Michael] Yes.
"I don't like them."
[Terrance] Listen.
Michael and Kristine took Natalia out of school
simply because she did not belong there.
Even when she's not with the Barnetts,
we have to remember
when Natalia lived with the Ciccones she was home-schooled.
So, at every stop that Natalia's been,
there are all these reports about her abhorrent behavior.
The story Natalia wants to push forward now is,
"I was a victim and I was victimized by the Barnetts."
[Cynthia] Natalia is a broken young lady
that's being fixed every day,
but Natalia is the sweetest, the happiest little girl
that I've ever met in my life.
Like, for everything she's been through I just can't say it enough
how... bright she is, how smart she is,
how happy she is, how thankful she is,
how much she loves God.
I would say she has been, uh...
violent in a typical way, like most kids do.
You know, most kids fight, most kids argue.
But nothing unusual to where there was just,
um, crazy unrest in that sort of way.
There's nothing dangerous about Natalia at all.
Absolutely not.
[Natalia] And then, here's the big butthead of everybody's lives.
See, there she goes, being a butthead, not even listening.
Okay, there's something I don't wanna say,
'cause I think it will... it might make her feel bad
and she's already felt bad about it, but... and then, it's like...
Okay, I will only say it if you don't tell her.
[murmuring] She beat me when I was a baby.
But the thing is, she didn't know any better.
I mean, she did, but she said it was, like, when she was 10.
And...
she didn't really know.
Bye-bye!
[Terrance] The Mans took her to the hospital.
St. Franciscan.
And, you know, the report was, she had harmed one of their children.
And that she had been disruptive in the house, she had been violent.
And they wanted to leave her there
and she wasn't welcome back in their home.
And there was also additional parts of that report
where Natalia wanted to take a taxi to go back to the Mans
and, allegedly, when the hospital reaches out to the Mans,
they're told, "She can't come back. She's not welcome.
We don't want her calling us anymore."
These reports were written by medical staff.
Psychologists, psychiatrists, MDs, counselors, nursing staff.
[intense music playing]
When you look at all the families
that she's been connected to that we are aware of,
From the Ciccones, to the Barnetts, to the Mans.
All of these families are reporting similar instances
where Natalias has inflicted harm on a family member.
Are we all saying that all of these folks are wrong and are liars
and that Natalia is simply this innocent bystander?
She's this innocent wallflower who's just been victimized by all these families?
That defies logic. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
I never even spoke with the hospital people because she was an adult.
So they would not let me in with her.
I feel like, Kristine definitely must have called the hospital
and told them that this is what happened
and all of these things because those are not my words.
I don't know who drew that up, who wrote that.
Because that was not what's said.
[suspenseful music playing]
Can we go back a little bit?
Go wherever you want.
Do you remember the first time meeting me?
Yep, sure do.
Do you remember
meeting the family I was with before?
Never met them.
They were in the room across the hall from ours.
So we were each in this two little--
I consider them like, "bedroom-esque thing" but little offices.
There was uh, there was a hallway.
We got there before you did.
So we, Kristine, I, the boys, are in this room.
We can hear the front door open.
We can hear voices, we hear people walking down the hall.
And we hear people go into that room, and we hear a voice
saying, "Well, just stay there until you're ready."
The entire time, Jacob, Wesley, Ethan, and I,
are at this door
with our ears pressed up against it, like this,
trying to hear everything we can.
"That's your new sister. That's our new daughter." What does she sound like?
"Hey, we heard her voice!"
"What... What did she do?" "Hey, I think she said hi!" I just...
We're doing that. Ethan goes and gets a glass.
Puts the glass against the wall.
We start looking though the peep hole
to try to see if we can see anything.
The boys spent the night making shirts.
"We love you, Natalia. Welcome home, sister." They were so excited.
I remember everything about the first day.
I remember that day too.
Um, I remember sitting in a chair,
right across from where you guys were.
But I also remembered Diane and Gary coming in the room.
I never met them.
They never came out of the room. They kept us totally separate.
The Adoption by Shepherd Care people told us,
it was a closed adoption and the surrendering family
did not want to share any information with us and did not want to meet us.
We've never met. I have never met Gary or Diane.
Well, I don't know what that's about then.
I didn't know their names until like a month later.
[sighs heavily] Um...
I remember...
Diane and Gary came out and they told me that you guys wanted to see me.
But they never came out of the room and talked to us. They just--
They came in, dropped you off.
Came back out, talked to other people and... [whistles] gone.
[Beth] Natalia's six. Does she really remember?
It's an event though, that, you know, she's meeting "new parents"
that she really might remember.
She's leaving the old, and meeting the new.
But what lends a little credence
to Natalia's version, is that she remembers
running into them or seeing them at Disney World
while they were in Florida.
And saying, "Oh, you know, there's Mommy."
And Kristine saying, "No..."
[both] I'm your mommy now.
That's really important.
Like that is a kind of little fact,
like, why would she make that up?
I mean, that, to me, has a ring of truth.
[somber instrumental music playing]
Michael's adamant that he didn't even know the Ciccones' name
for a month, that this was a closed adoption, but we know
he and Kristine had Natalia's medical records
and the Ciccones' names were in the medical records
from the time they adopted her.
And we know that because the prosecutor told us that.
Jackie Starbuck told us that.
So, I don't know why he insists upon continuing
to say it was a closed adoption.
So, somebody is mistaken or lying.
-I got a question for you. -Yeah, I got lots of answers for you.
You might not like all of them, but I got them.
I mean, look, what you got to say, I'm gonna hear it, okay?
[Michael sighs]
Do you remember putting a lock on my door?
Yes.
The latch. Um, we were actually told to do that by, uh, the doctors.
Do you remember what happened while you were putting the lock on the door?
Nope.
So, you didn't realize that Kristine was hitting me or...
-At that moment? -Hitting me with a belt
and letting the boys hit me and letting Jacob drop me?
You didn't?
-No. -[sobs]
[sighs] Things relating to Jacob...
I didn't learn until two years ago when Jacob came back.
And I just started to learn those things.
He and I have been...
trying to figure out how to mentally come to terms with
things that
she forced them to do.
He is so, so sorry.
He is so sorry.
And I have to keep reminding him
over and over and over when we talk about this.
He was...
A child who was being forced to do it.
And it wasn't him. It...
[Natalia sobbing]
In the last three years, Jacob and I have probably cried together
over a hundred times regarding...
this incident, or that incident, or this incident.
There are...
I wish I could tell you a couple other things, but I'm not allowed
to tell you while on camera and on a microphone.
Some people took issue with the airing of this off-camera conversation
that Michael and Jacob were having, seemingly private
until they realized it's a hot mic.
But it was very revealing.
And it's important to get to the truth.
[Beth] It shows Michael is aware of the statute of limitations.
And this corroborates Natalia
when she says she was beaten.
But what's really revealing about it to me is that,
they chose incidents to talk about.
And left things out.
Michael's in control.
[Michael] There's a lot of cross blinds of
who did
what and when.
Everything that Kristine has ever said or claimed, just assume is a lie.
[Natalia] The way Michael is talking,
is just like last time.
He made it about himself.
And pretty much blaming everything on Kristine.
I'm here to hear Michael out.
But, like, I want Michael to know how I feel about this.
I want everybody to know exactly how this affected me.
I want him to know what he did was completely wrong.
How did you even feel
when Kristine was beating me?
-Or-- -I will tell you specifically how I felt.
One day, I come home from work and...
You know already what...
the air at home was.
And I came in,
you were... Your nose is on the wall in the kitchen.
And Kristine got up,
and she just looked at me,
"Back your wife up!"
And she went, grabbed you off the wall.
She yanked you pretty good.
You're over there and she gets you to here.
"Stay out of my way or you'll never see your sons again."
And she launches you on the ground.
And the usual.
"Who are you? Where have you been?"
And she's wailing.
I'm stunned from what's going on. I'm just... I'm shocked.
I'm frozen in fear.
And I know for a fact, if I do anything,
I never see Wesley, Ethan, or Jacob ever again.
And I hate to put it to you in that fashion,
but I just wanted to have my family all together.
So I start recording it.
And the only thing I can think is, if I could just show her,
"Look at this. This is abhorrent."
I'm just thinking maybe I could just show it to her and she'll see how...
bad she is and she'll stop.
She'll realize she's gone too far and she'll stop.
Except, she's crazy.
And logic's not gonna work.
So, when she's done, she takes you up to your room,
while she's up there, I get my phone and I hit play on it so I could look at it and...
it's just...
disgusting.
Unfortunately, while I'm looking at it,
she showed up right behind me
and if I ever want to see my kids again,
I have to reset my phone right now in front of her and delete everything.
[Natalia] Michael, again, was making up excuses.
That really hurts.
Instead of being a dad, he was a coward.
To me, Michael is guilty.
Because he let it happen.
[intense music playing]
[somber music playing]
Kristine's not my mom.
High five. Up top. There you go.
I stopped calling her my mother the moment that she just started doing everything,
-started saying everything. She was never my mom! -She's evil.
One time, when she was mad,
Kristine put me in a pink dress
and she literally told me to stand still like a gnome.
I think I was actually doing a little bit of schoolwork.
I didn't get a question right or something like that.
And then, she moved the chair into like, the front of the window, like there was like,
big window, that was in the, um, in the dining room.
She literally made me a cone hat,
gave me an apple, put me in a pink dress,
and told me I had to stand still like a gnome.
Just stand there. I can't lean on the back of the chair,
nothing. I just had to stand there like a gnome.
Like, literally, I had to be like this.
Apple was in my hand, just stand right here.
Just like a garden gnome. Like, she literally told me I couldn't move, nothing.
And I was there until Michael got home from work.
Which was, it was starting to get dark.
Neighbors were driving by, nobody stopped and said anything.
[Natalia] Put me in a pink dress and told me I had to stand still like a gnome.
I've read an exchange
that was in the court file part of discovery.
This person close to Kristine,
asks her, "How's the midget?"
And Kristine says, "Still weird."
Think about that.
What does that tell you about Kristine and like, where her head is at?
It's really unbelievable that she had this organization
that was dedicated to
helping raise awareness about disabled people,
who were experiencing physical and verbal abuse
and here she is, I... I read it! She's engaging in this.
In the same conversation, they're talking about little people as gnomes.
Keep them away.
Like, what are you talking about?
[Natalia] Did Kristine hate me because of my dwarfism?
That's how crazy it is. Like, you wouldn't think about that.
You would not think, "Oh, I'm gonna dress this person up as a gnome."
What?
[Terrance] I think Natalia had a very rough upbringing.
However, at some level,
Natalia has to be aware and accountable for her own behavior.
When we look at the reports from the Larue Carter Hospital,
there's a central theme to all of this.
And that theme has to do with sexual promiscuity.
There are third party accounts of these reports.
[Michael] While Natalia was at the state mental hospital,
Kristine and I had gotten phone calls from Larue Carter after a while.
[somber music playing]
She is propositioning men who are mental patients
for sexual activity,
and it's disturbing them and she can't be here.
Those are the exact words.
What?
I don't even remember none of that.
Like, I was a kid in an adult section of a hospital.
And...
Like, I, I don't even remember really being around guys like that.
So I don't know where all of this is coming from.
I don't ever remember talking about having a boyfriend or wanting a boyfriend.
[intense music playing]
Natalia told me that she was in a mental hospital.
And they told her after a full evaluation,
the doctors came and said they couldn't find nothing wrong with her.
She was a normal child.
[Cynthia] But as far as acting out in other ways?
She could have been acting out for attention.
I mean, she was a child.
She probably wanted to get attention however she could.
You know, she could have been acting out to make friends.
She could have been acting out to gets some adults that seen her
to realize, "Hey, I'm struggling here.
Like, I don't know what to do on my own."
It's like, if there is a possibility that I did say sexual comments,
I probably heard that from somebody.
'Cause I was really little and, like, I was at that stage where, like,
not understanding what it is, but I wanna say it
because I heard somebody else say it so I'm thinking, it's okay to say it.
[foreboding music playing]
The truth is that,
I feel like I got exposed to sexual stuff at a really young age.
[intense music playing]
In fact, like, Kristine tried to set me up on a date
at seven years old with a grown man.
Who knows what could have happened?
[upbeat music playing]
Stuff happened while I was in that Westfield apartment.
I got exposed to sexual stuff.
I...
[suspenseful music playing]
Kristine never taught me how to take care of myself.
Kristine never taught me anything about stranger danger or...
She told me she did.
Did you know that she was putting make-up on me?
[Natalia] One day, I was playing in my room.
[suspenseful music playing]
Kristine came in and she just sat me down on the floor in the kitchen
and she cut my hair.
[suspenseful music playing]
She cut it off all the way to, like, right here.
Like, shoulder-length.
And then, I remember Kristine did my make-up.
Did you know that she was trying to make me look like an adult?
[exhales]
She can create drama out of the most innocent or benign situation.
Such as a mother dressing up her daughter.
You have Kristine Barnett doting over her only female child.
If I factor in the personality of Natalia,
It's easy for me to see how she can turn something so innocent
into something more nefarious.
[Natalia] That's crazy.
Just seeing this?
This is crazy. This is, like, too much.
[stammers] I'm seven years old, I shouldn't even have make-up on.
When she did the make-up,
she literally told me,
"This is what an adult looks like.
When a kid does their make-up, they look like a clown."
Did you know that she was sending them to a guy, trying to get me put me on a date?
No.
I just found that out three or four weeks ago.
It sounds like Kristine maybe, you know, wanting to take pictures of her to send
to Freddie Gill or whoever she was trying to
set up Natalia on a date with.
Thank God Freddie told Kristine, "Absolutely, no way!"
Kristine tried to set me up with a guy when I was seven years old.
With a grown man.
What if the guy raped me?
Like, he could have did anything. He could have kidnapped me.
He could have murdered me.
And, when she did that,
you were in the Westfield apartment, right?
No, I was still in the house.
You were still in the house? Holy [bleep]!
No, I didn't know that.
Did you ever have to speak to any of these people or meet any of these people?
No. I don't remember talking to anybody.
I didn't even know she was doing that until I found out when I was...
2019 maybe?
[Beth] Michael doesn't know anything about this, apparently.
That may be true.
I do believe that there are things that went on in that house
between Kristine and Natalia that Michael's unaware of.
I'm sorry that was your experience.
[Beth] So it's possible he didn't know,
and that he's hearing it for the first time
'cause he seems pretty sincere and apologetic.
I'm sorry that they didn't have the wherewithal
to press the right charges in the right place.
Like, they could still get her right now if they wanted to.
Then again, he is a good salesman.
Michael is an accomplice to the monster.
Because he went along with everything that Kristine said.
I've had nightmares.
I've cried myself to sleep.
[sobbing] For years after.
[sobs]
[cries]
You know what you did was wrong,
but you're trying to keep it under wraps.
[intense music playing]
He still let me be alone with Kristine.
Everything that Kristine told him, he told the world like he was there.
She'd been diagnosed a sociopath.
Con artist, grown up.
She was gonna kill everybody.
[Natalia] But now he's switching up, saying,
"I don't even remember what... I don't know what happened."
I have a lot of suspicions that I can't prove, but I'm sure are there.
I lived through it.
Every time I talk about it, I live through it.
You sound guilty with that.
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